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It's a disgrace, that's what it is. I know.

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I mean, you guys are privileged. You see that, right? Sure.

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No, not sure. And out the door, you give me the finger.

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You get halfway down the hall. I want you to know it then. Because it's

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true. Not because some dude. I mean, this time maybe it could be anybody.

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Because some man says that it's right. You know, I could have held back on

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this, just blowing it off. Cause I got a flight to catch tomorrow. That you

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figure out. Life all in your little lonesome. I think I would've been doing you

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a disservice, I really do. So, and I'm

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not bullshitting you, here. Cherish this. Look,

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all I wanna say is that you boys are sitting in the driver's seat.

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You can make whatever you want to happen happen. It's that easy. I mean,

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you're in with this company, but you're screwing around, chasing each other in

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the break room, hanging out with a bunch of guys from shipping. I mean,

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where's your head, huh?

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Offer you a chance here. Keith Keith, right. Yeah. Keith Keith

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or Keith Keith? Which? Keith?

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Well, you ought to know.

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Yeah. Howard will be back in about an hour. I'll take him.

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Thanks.

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I'm just rolling out the opportunity for you to hang with the money people.

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Don't screw this up, Keith. I mean, I'll look at you guys. Sometimes interns we're

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given on a project, I mean, I'll wonder to myself, you got

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the balls for this, right? I can't help but think it.

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I do. Yeah. Yes.

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Ax anybody.

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Let me give you a professional tip. The word

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is ask. Okay?

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You want a job like mine one day, sitting back in part of a show

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such as this one. The ring is just dangling

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right there. And you've come this far,

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you just gotta grab it. But you need the

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big brass ones for the desk.

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Now you say that you've got em? Yeah.

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Enough to handle a pressure cooker like this? Uh huh.

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Fine.

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Let's see him then. Praise the Lord for

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bringing us this generous penalty.

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Just give me all the bacon and eggs you have. Wait,

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wait. I worry what you just heard was. Give me a

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lot of bacon and eggs. What I said was give me

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all. The bacon and eggs you have.

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Living flesh. I guess that's about 56.

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Complex me back on my menu.

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That's why I'm hungry. Each word I say farther

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and farther into a radical number.

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Secret. It's amazing. Don't see a bottle I'd

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buy that for a dollar. Not bad for me. Please, when you try to

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come back. Oh, look at me. Look at me. I've never been seeing easily

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up. Hungry. I'm so hungry.

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I'm so hungry. I. I never knew anyone could

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be so hungry. What about that time I found you naked with that bowl

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Hello, folks. This is the Beef podcast. I am one of

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your hosts, Gary Hill. Well, yeah, I got a co host this time, but my

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regular hosts are not here. Hiatus and elsewhere,

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because it's Friday night and you know, I'm a good company. I. I gotta

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say. And you know this man. Well, you should know this man.

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He. He is the hardest working man in podcasting.

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The always impossible funky leader,

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proprietor, editor, complaint department of

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the Projection Booth podcast. Mr. Mike White. How you doing, sir? I'm so

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glad to be here. Thank you so much, Gary. Oh, my gosh. Yeah,

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it's been a while, but I'm always glad for you to take the time.

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And I know you're very busy, man, with your, what, seven or

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eight podcasts by now that you do here with people. It just.

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Yeah, I, I thank you, my friend. Oh,

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yeah, it is always such a pleasure to talk with you. So, yeah, I'm very

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excited for this. Micah brought some heat to

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this show and I'm. I'm looking forward to talking about it and, you know,

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some toxic dudes, if you will.

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Yes, toxic masculinity. Before the

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term toxic masculinity was even. Coined, I believe it's just

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oozing from these damn films. And yeah, I wish, I wish,

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I wish a woman was on this show just like, hey, yeah,

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let's talk about it. And that's Dutch. She's a third member of this for this

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program. Bugging me right now, but, you know, it is what it is. But I'll

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start the show the same way I always start the show. And I ask you

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what you've been watching lately, sir? Oh,

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well, you know, of course, watch a lot of movies for the various

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shows you mentioned that. I do quite a bunch. So definitely out there checking

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that out. Haven't really gone to the movies too much recently. It's been mostly stuff

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at home. I think the last movie I saw out was Falcon,

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Captain America. Sorry, Captain America. He's not the Falcon anymore.

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Captain America, Brave New World. And then, yeah, just around

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the house. Other than, of course, the stuff for the podcast,

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one of the things I've watched recently was a movie called the good fairy from

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35, a William Wyler film, which I absolutely love.

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enough. And then, yeah, the other night I watched.

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For my sins, I watched a Minecraft movie.

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A Minecraft movie. As if there's going to be more than one Minecraft movie.

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So screw me, right?

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Well, it's an odd one because

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it's. It's. It's Jared Hess film, right?

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yet, but I'm sort of looking forward to watching it because I love the

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odd things that he does in films with it with his brother and with.

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Gentlemen Broncos is an underrated film, in my opinion,

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but it just gets wild and stupid for

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no reason at all. And I just love that kind of odd stuff like that.

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but it looked like fun to me. As far as a

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preview goes. I just couldn't tell you I would see this. I couldn't

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tell you if I had fun with it or not. To say I like

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the idea of Jason Momoa and Jack Black together, but I couldn't tell you if

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that's true or not. Well, it's really weird because they set up

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the Jason Momoa character to be very similar to what's

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that guy's name, Billy Mitchell, the guy who was

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the villain in King of Kong, that documentary about the

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Donkey Kong competition. Think Peter

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Dinklage kind of plays that character in Pixels.

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me of Pixels. But it was very interesting

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because the version of a Minecraft movie I watched was 100%

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a bootleg, and it was a leaked version of a early,

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like, a working copy of it. So, like, you see green all

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around everybody's hair or, like, blue in the background.

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face. And basically the dog's head does not move. Like,

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it doesn't open, the mouth doesn't open, and it's just him kind of reacting to

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it. And the dog is covering up half of his body because of the way

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that it was matted. And even, like, there's a main villain

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who's a, like, a pig lady and her mouth never moves

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whatsoever. And I'm just like, oh, they're going to animate all that lip flap in,

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like, later on. But the version I saw, she just stands

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there with a solid cube head and you hear the woman

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from, like, Thor, Ragnarok and Hunt for the Wilder People. You hear her

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voice coming out of this mouth, but you're like, she's not moving her mouth.

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This is kind of strange. So I'm like, it took me a long time before

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I realized I was watching a work print of it. Yeah, my buddy

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told me about this work print. He's a big, you know, connoisseur, that kind of

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stuff. And I was kind of looking forward to watching it that way because I

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remember when Wolverine Origins came out. Oh God, that was great.

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Before that came out, that work print with the unfinished

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effects was way more entertaining than the actual film itself.

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That's the only movie version I've ever seen. Is that work print one with

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like the horrible like gray version of Logan rolling over that like

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truck and stuff? Yes.

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And I love Leo Schreiber in that movie. Don't get me wrong.

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I, I've seen both versions as far as like the finished version of that version,

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but that's, I'd imagine that's more of the same of that Minecraft work printed

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and like I said, it might make it more entertaining. Oh yeah,

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I think it was, I think it was honestly more entertaining that way. And I,

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I definitely think that with the Wolverine as well.

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But yeah, no, I, I, I totally agree with you. Liev Schreiber is

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just frickin fantastic. I love him in anything. I really

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always loved him in one movie that I don't think gets enough credit called

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Some of All Fears. That Tom Clancy Jack

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Ryan film with Ben Affleck is Jack Ryan.

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I think that's one of the better ones out there. Like for me

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it's like Alec Baldwin, Ben Affleck

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and then John, what's his name, Krasinski or whatever that guy's

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name is from the Office and then Harrison Ford and it's really tough putting Harrison

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Ford in last place in a Jack Ryan off. Even though I

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guess Chris Pine is also in there at some point and yeah, just that

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movie, that one doesn't really even feel like it counts to me.

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Yeah, I, I remember seeing it. I, I couldn't tell you, but he's

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one of those actors that I, I, I enjoy most things he's in except

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for the Scream franchise. I'm really, I'm really relieved when he dies in those movies.

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But you know Ray Donovan?

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quite a bit. He's great in those movies. You just, you just,

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he just keep the gift that keeps on giving and things. I even watched that,

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the movie that the, about the guy that begat Rocky.

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Chuck. Chuck, what's his name? Replayed that guy in the movie,

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I think it was just called Chuck, where he played the guy that that Rocky's

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based on. Oh, okay. Yeah. But,

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Yeah, I love Le Schreiber. Movie 43

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is a film that I shouldn't laugh at intensely, but I laugh at movie 43

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intensely. And it's just a lot of crude jokes and I.

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He's one of the best parts of it, him bullying

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his teenage son.

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I can't say I've ever watched it all the way through.

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I think I stop every time at the balls on

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the chin with Hugh Jackman and I've never made it past that.

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It's. It is ridiculous. It is.

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Anything else that you watched? Those were the big

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ones. I've been watching some tv, so I finally watched all of

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the Pentavoret, the Mike Myers thing from 2020.

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You know, it only takes me a little while to get to things, apparently.

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All right, all right. And yeah, and then I'm still watching like new

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season of Taskmasters coming out, so I'm excited for that. The Taskmaster Australian

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version just came out, so I've been in that and then,

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yeah, waiting to find out who gets crowned

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the Queen of All Queens on the latest season of

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RuPaul's Drag Race. So I remember you being a fan of that show.

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Don't ask. I remember you being a fan of that show. Still am.

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Still am, yeah. The Pentava

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thing, I've been meaning to get to too, but I haven't done it because it's

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like, like they made this thing that's based on a joke, a small

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joke from Sean Mar and Ax Murderer and I

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am. I love that thing. So I'd imagine, you know, this, this outrageous

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thing. I'm going to love to. You know, I enjoyed it.

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Yeah. There's. It gets a little heavy handed at points because it's basically

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like the Internet ruined everything and it's like. Yeah, no, you know,

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that might have been radical to say in 2022. I don't think so. But in

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2025 you're like, yeah, no, everything sucks.

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I, I really can't. Can't argue with that.

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There. New stuff I watched.

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I watched A Working man, the, the brand new Jason Statham joint.

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Oh, yeah, Yeah. I follow these hook, line and sinker.

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And I think now he's, he's. He hasn't really

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escaped the Expendables because this is, I think, written and produced by Stallone,

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this movie. Yeah, it is. Yeah,

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it's. It's like, like the Beekeeper. I had a great Time Beekeeper.

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I had a great time with this, too. It's kind of like a return to

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form for him, in my opinion, as far as like, you know,

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being the charismatic action star. Although I do.

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I do like his character in Expendables, but a

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lot of the other stuff kind of brings it down a bit. But, you know,

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he's in this. And my

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only real regret this is. It is much like taking,

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you know, a girl. He did he.

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A daughter of a guy who works for Michael Pena gets kidnapped.

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He has, like, years of military training, so he goes after her

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because, you know, he has a good relationship with her. And my

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only big regret with this is David Harper's in this and he plays like

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his blind ex army mate. Yeah,

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yeah. I wish there was more like that. That seed where

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they break into his house and he has to go like blind gunman on

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these. On the bad guys. I needed more David harbor in this movie.

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That's my only real about it. You know.

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I. I liked it, but I thought the Beekeeper was way better because

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it was just so silly, you know. Oh, yeah. It was ridiculous. It was.

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Oh, yeah. Oh, my gosh.

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Other stuff. TV stuff. You mentioned TV stuff. I started

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and enjoying the hell out of Mob Land on Paramount.

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Plus the new Guy Richie thing.

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Pierce Brosnan, Helen Mirren, Tom Hardy,

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holding it down. It's just Guy Richie

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doing British gangster, you know, like you love to watch and it's

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violin for all the right reasons. And, you know,

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Helen Mirror, Helen Mirren is. Is devious as. Like,

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you want her. And I just. I love everything about it so far. I'm three

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episodes in. I just. I. I want more of it, obviously.

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Nice. Besides, I've watched

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a lot of 1983 horror films. Were my appearance on Land

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of the Creeps, this is coming up, so I rewatched

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some stuff. Warlock, the Armageddon, I rewatched

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that. I have a good time with the first two of those.

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Andrew Hickox again. This is a Hickox do it up Preacher. I watched.

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Oh, you know, Ticks is amazing. Amazing practical

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effects. People say, oh, the acting's not so good. You know, you have fun

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with a dumb creature feature like Ticks and, you know.

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And then I watched it for the first time ever, Toby Hooper's

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Night Terrors, which features. And I love this,

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this. This. This point of Robert Englund's career where he's just like going full

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ham, you know, in these roles. He had the Phantom

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of the Opera thing. He. He had this where he's playing like the Marquis

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de Sade, but, like amped up to 11, you know,

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and some other stuff too, but. Oh,

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the, The Mangler is a favorite. It's not a good movie. He's just.

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He's just insane in it. And I, I love that aspect of

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the Mangler. Not much else, but his, his craziness in that movie.

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It elevates her from like a 4 to a 6 for me, let's put it

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that way. Oh, yeah, yeah,

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yeah. No, Hickox is great. What was the company

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that he worked for a lot? I think you said it.

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Oh, maybe didn't say it. Was it

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like it was a full moon? That was a Vestron Bestron.

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He worked with Best Run a lot. Yeah, a lot of stuff out now.

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I'm Blu Ray from them, so. Oh, yeah, those Vestron

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films were something very special. I think Sundown

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That's got a nice special edition and, you know.

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Yeah, good stuff, man. But yeah, these, these 93s. I, I just started

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watching a film that I've always seen the box art for, but I couldn't

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find it even by legal means, so I had to have a dig for it.

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Skeeter from 1993. Oh, God. Wow.

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Yeah, it's. It's not great, but it's got Charles Napier,

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Michael J. Pollard, William Sanderson and George Buck Flower in the

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same movie. So I, I had to check it out. Wow.

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I had to check it out, man. You. You, you know this, Mike. It's crazy.

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Yes. You get a cast like that and.

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Yeah. Yeah, you definitely have to check out something like that. Some fun

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doing that. I. I listen. Listen to their shows and they,

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they were. Their 91 show. They're. They're complaining. I was like,

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there's like, there's like golden 91. What are you talking about, guys?

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Jeez. But no, I, I love those guys and

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supposed to have Greg and his wife on real soon, and I'm looking forward to

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that, too. Besides that, not.

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Not a whole lot more new stuff to sing about. I, I watch stuff

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for shows, too, that I can't discuss right now because I record a

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brand new episode of the. In the Parade Way series with John

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Cross tomorrow. So, yeah, that's. That'll all be discussed on,

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on, on that show, obviously. Well, please give John my best.

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He's. He's one of the good ones. I will, man. Reach out, man. He's always

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looking back, man. For sure. Yeah, he just started that. And I'll push this 9

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Ways of Sunday, the PM Entertainment podcast, you know.

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Okay. That's why he was asking me about PM Entertainment. Yeah.

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I'm sure he's looking for guests. I'm sure he would love to have you,

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Mike, you know. But that's

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about it for me. We'll go into the. The meat of

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the show now, which is aplenty, if you will.

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The meatheads in these movies. Oh, boy. Yeah.

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Mike gave me a list and. And I said, give me a list and I'll

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pair with something. And he. And he. He paired it for me because I.

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I was. It was a. It was hard for me. So we

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are doing the Men's Club from. Was this 1970?

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No. 80 something. Right. 86. Like a great

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year in cinema. And then the Men's Club. It should have

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been made in the 70s. We'll talk about that. Yeah. Oh, boy. Yeah.

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In the. In the Company of Men, Mike is the other film. That's correct.

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Yeah. To 2001. Is that right?

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2001. Yeah. No, 97. 97. We have

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yet to crack the century mark. Okay. Yeah.

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Yeah. We're those two films. And we're going chronological order,

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I think, with the men's Club

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from 1986. And we'll do that right through this trailer.

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For every woman who ever loved a man.

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For every man who ever had a secret.

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Sarah and I were arguing three months after we were married. Got so there

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was nothing but pain at home and anger in me. If I made it with

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another woman, it would degrade Hannah. What if you didn't tell her?

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She'd get sick. Thing is, you have to

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keep a record. I have had 622 women.

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Personally, I prefer courtship. There was a woman who used

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to like to taste my food in restaurants.

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I went out with her for months. I almost married her. I understood

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then the whole problem with our marriage.

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Sheila doesn't like me. But I've been sitting here and I've

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been listening. The stories are obscene. You don't have to like our stories.

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Thank you. But I was afraid I had to. Like them man to man,

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you know? Will he talk? Except woman comes along.

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Her. Every man for himself. She's waiting for my call. I can feel it.

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She's waiting for it. How long has it been since you spoke to her?

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Five years. That's your love story for me,

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one woman makes another woman necessary. Do I remind you

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of your wife? Not yet. Complain about

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something. You wouldn't be jealous if she made it with another guy? No,

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man, I'm liberated.

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I don't Feel anything. Look, I dislike being analyzed,

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Kramer. I'm not one of your patients. I thought you were my friend. Huh?

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Maybe I was wrong about you. Maybe I ought to kick your.

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I live only for peak experiences.

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This is a wonderful club. This is a wonderful

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club. It all begins

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after they kiss their wives good night.

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The Men's club.

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The Men's Club, 1986. Your cheapo plot synopsis

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is. Men form a discussion group to share feelings about.

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About life and women. As the gathering

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gets wilder, the wife comes. The wife comes home after being kicked out. They want

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to continue the night. Kind of weak sauce, but thanks IMDb

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nonetheless. The stars maybe.

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Help me out here. What was David Dukes in? David Dukes sounds very familiar to

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me, but not like in the KKK sense. I just about

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made that joke. No, you know, I. I think I was mixing him up with

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Daryl Dukes, but. Yeah, I'm not sure I recognize David Dukes,

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but everybody else in this one I think I recognize.

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Yeah, a lot of them for sure. Richard Jordan,

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who you know from. If you ever. Yeah, Dune,

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Logan's Run, you know, the, the. The good Harvey

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Keitel, you know, from many, many things.

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Frank Langella, tons of things.

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Played Dracula and Skeletor, so there's that, you know. Oh, yeah.

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Roy Scheider, who you know from many, many things.

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Craig Wasson, who may maybe no less of

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him, but he's from Nightmare 3. And body. Body Double.

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Right? Yeah, yeah. Body double. Treat Williams.

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Yeah. Late Street Williams.

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Stalker. Channing, uh, Rizzo herself is in this movie.

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She gets upset for good reason. Oh, yeah.

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Morons. Jesus. Yeah,

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there's a lot more in here. Oh, my God.

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Jennifer Jason Lee. Yeah. Yeah. That's wild.

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Well, yeah, Jason. Jennifer Jason Lee is kind of the reason why I

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chose this movie. I had seen that

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poster with her on it for years. So I actually had written

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down that one is something. This one, I should say the Men's

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club is something I to wanted to see and talk about at some point.

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And then the other one is one called Hearts of Midnight,

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which also has a very intriguing Jennifer Jason Lee poster.

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It's like, I don't know why I forgot just how incredible she

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looked in the 80s and 90s and still now she looks great. Oh, yeah.

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But just like those two posters really grabbed my attention

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and I was like, okay, yeah, so I think I said both of

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those with a couple other titles over. You chose the Men's Club. And then

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when it came to like pairing them up, I was like, like, okay, yeah,

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I think I can think of another Thing that would go well with the men's

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club after I had seen it, because I had no idea what it was about.

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Walking into it, I just knew that poster, that was the only

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thing that I was going on with this one.

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When I see the cast, I was like. And I read the synopsis,

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I was like, I'm gonna pick this one because I want. I want to look.

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Look at freaking Roy Scheider and Richard Jordan get randy about,

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you know. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God,

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the cast is just amazing. And, like, you mentioned Stocker Channing

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and Jennifer Jason Lee, and then you've even got, like, who. Anne Wentworth and,

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like, Helen. What's her name? Supergirl, I think,

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is in this as well. Like, very small role, but yeah,

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the. Some very, very good actors and actresses

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in this. And, you know, they do. They do a

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good job too. But, yeah, the content is questionable.

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I love. I love this. You know, hate to use the word

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words, locker room talk, but, you know,

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the plenty in this movie, it's. It's. It's uncomfortable

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for that kind of dude, you know? Well, yeah, And I'm wondering if this is.

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The whole men's club thing is supposed to be a reaction to,

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like, women uniting and having their own support systems

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and men just feeling left out. This feels very much like the whole men's rights

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things, where it's like, what do you mean, men's right?

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Like. The patriarchy's

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been around for a long time. You need a men's rights thing. Is that,

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like, Straight Pride Month? Like, come on, man. Like, give it a rest.

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Like, it's fine to hang out with the boys, but then,

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like, when they show what these guys get up to, maybe it

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is not fine that you hang out with the boys because you all turn into

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a bunch of meatheads. Yeah, yeah. And, you know,

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it's. I mean, I've been there before. Not. Not to this. To this

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extent before. But, you know, you have those friends that, you know,

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you talk with in a certain way, you know, not. Not in mixed

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company. And these guys in this movie don't really

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care if they're in mixed company or not. They just talk about whatever they want

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to talk about, you know? Yeah, well, I think that's 1986.

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I don't know when the book was written. It feels more like. You were saying

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it feels like the. The 70s, and I wouldn't be surprised if was

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written in the 70s. Yeah. This seems like a movie that would

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be hard to get made as far as, like, I. I didn't find Much

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on the history of it or anything. And fun

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thing about Mike is when Mike does a show, his. Especially his own show,

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he provides reference materials. You know,

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very, very professional fellow, that Mike White. You know, I love him for it,

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but. Yeah, I couldn't tell you, but the

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director of this surprised hell on me because this Peter.

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I usually say medak, but yeah, yeah. They got

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to be the changeling and, you know, stuff like that. And a lot. A lot

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of TV that you recognize. And it just seems

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like an odd film. If you watch this, you watch the Changeling,

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it's like two totally different tones. It's like,

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oh, yeah, maybe it's like he was directed for Hire or

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something here because it's. That's. That's.

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It's. It's. It's so strange that he did those two things. I don't even

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know. Yeah, he was all over the map when it came to what

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he was doing. I mean, you mentioned the changeling. Like, I.

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Well, he was supposed to do figures in a landscape, but I

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think he got removed from that towards the end. But, like,

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freaking the craze. But then you've got Zorro,

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the Gay Blade, you know, Romeo is Bleeding, and then Species

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two. So it's like, okay, like, he's all over the place

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when it comes to his projects. Yeah, I just noticed

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seven episodes of the 80s Twilight Zone, which is a show

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that you're on. You guys do that show? Yeah, yeah. And, yeah,

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I don't know how he got onto this one. I did look up the book

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came out in 81, so right there at the tail end of the 70s.

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And yeah, I was looking to see there

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weren't a lot of things written about this. There were some reviews,

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and a lot of times it was like, it was so funny because it's like,

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I don't know why Peter Madeck would do this. It's like, I don't know.

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Why not? It was a paycheck. Like, I don't

451
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know how invested he was in this subject matter, but he was definitely

452
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:54,490
getting paid for it, I hope. I mean, the subject matter itself is. You know,

453
00:30:54,990 --> 00:30:58,430
these guys, they get together, they. They drink. I wouldn't

454
00:30:58,930 --> 00:31:02,390
say, you know, they're having, like, massive breakthroughs

455
00:31:02,890 --> 00:31:06,350
as, like, therapy or something. But, you know, they could get together and

456
00:31:06,850 --> 00:31:10,510
they. They goof up and they're all different walks of life, which is a

457
00:31:11,010 --> 00:31:14,070
big thing about this film that. I did enjoy that. Yeah,

458
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:18,310
even, you know, the. The. The psychoanalyst

459
00:31:18,810 --> 00:31:22,310
can get together with the meathead baseball player and those Guys

460
00:31:22,810 --> 00:31:25,880
are the same, you know, when it comes down to the marrow.

461
00:31:26,380 --> 00:31:30,440
I. I kind of like that aspect of not. Not their conversations,

462
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,840
but the idea to say, okay, you know what? This guy could be a

463
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,400
massive prick too. Yeah. Even though easier.

464
00:31:38,900 --> 00:31:42,480
You're. You're everyday person who goes out

465
00:31:42,980 --> 00:31:46,160
and analyzes other people. That guy's real up in his own son.

466
00:31:46,660 --> 00:31:50,090
So I. I kind of appreciate that from a guy who probably needs

467
00:31:50,590 --> 00:31:54,010
therapy of some kind, but, you know, it's sort of against

468
00:31:54,510 --> 00:31:57,810
it at the same time to know that these people are flawed too,

469
00:31:58,050 --> 00:32:01,650
you know? Well, so I did read a lot of

470
00:32:02,150 --> 00:32:05,850
the book, and the movie is adapted.

471
00:32:06,350 --> 00:32:09,890
Is adapted by Leonard Michaels, the guy that wrote the book. So you can imagine

472
00:32:10,370 --> 00:32:14,170
it's very similar, though it's interesting that the book ends

473
00:32:14,670 --> 00:32:18,150
basically with the stalker Channing character coming in

474
00:32:18,390 --> 00:32:21,430
and eventually clocking Richard Jordan over the head

475
00:32:21,930 --> 00:32:24,830
with the frying pan and then his whole, like, how did you know? How did

476
00:32:25,330 --> 00:32:28,830
that make you feel? Kind of thing. Because it's all about psychoanalysis,

477
00:32:29,330 --> 00:32:31,670
like you're saying, like, he's. He's kind of the leader of the group.

478
00:32:32,790 --> 00:32:36,070
It feels like it's his place that this is all taking place.

479
00:32:36,150 --> 00:32:39,870
It has to be, because it's his knives, his walls that

480
00:32:40,370 --> 00:32:43,960
they're destroying. All the pictures, all the glassware, all this

481
00:32:44,460 --> 00:32:47,760
stuff. Such a group of a holes. I don't know

482
00:32:48,260 --> 00:32:50,920
why you would do that to anybody's house, much less your friend.

483
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,480
And. Yeah, so then he disappears

484
00:32:55,980 --> 00:32:59,360
from the movie. So, like, the whole thing of them going to the whorehouse

485
00:32:59,860 --> 00:33:03,240
in the second half of the film, that's all completely written for the screen.

486
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,560
So that is not part of the book. Which I was like, oh, well,

487
00:33:07,060 --> 00:33:10,640
that's interesting where you chose to end the book versus where you choose to end

488
00:33:11,140 --> 00:33:15,040
the movie. But, my God, this whole. The book and the

489
00:33:15,540 --> 00:33:18,760
movie, it is just like. Do you want to do a monologue?

490
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,920
Let me give you a monologue. You're going to really enjoy

491
00:33:23,420 --> 00:33:26,560
this, and you can chew this sucker up. May take you 10,

492
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,280
15 minutes to deliver it sometimes, but you got

493
00:33:30,780 --> 00:33:34,040
at least five solid minutes. Every time I give you a monologue.

494
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,560
I will say this, though. You know, the guy is the guy for this movie.

495
00:33:37,850 --> 00:33:40,650
You know, they're solid actors. Oh, yeah.

496
00:33:41,210 --> 00:33:45,690
Even when they do a monologue and they sound like assholes,

497
00:33:46,010 --> 00:33:49,450
you're still listening because it's. It's Break Langella doing this.

498
00:33:49,950 --> 00:33:53,689
You know, with time. I'm not judgy, but I guess there was an

499
00:33:54,189 --> 00:33:57,810
incident with him. I don't even Recall that the logistics of it, time told

500
00:33:58,310 --> 00:34:01,130
on him, I guess. Harvey Keitel doing these monologues.

501
00:34:01,690 --> 00:34:04,810
You know, Roy Scheider doing these daddy's monologues.

502
00:34:04,970 --> 00:34:08,090
So even though they're misogynistic prick bags,

503
00:34:08,590 --> 00:34:12,190
you're still listening because you have these monologues.

504
00:34:12,350 --> 00:34:16,190
Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, the whole movie starts with that really

505
00:34:16,690 --> 00:34:19,990
extreme close up of Roy Schneider giving a monologue, and then

506
00:34:20,490 --> 00:34:24,429
cut to, like, the reactions from these other guys, and they're like

507
00:34:24,929 --> 00:34:28,510
two or three lines kind of. It's a very interesting way of introducing

508
00:34:29,010 --> 00:34:32,590
these characters, but it's just so much of Roy Scheider's

509
00:34:33,090 --> 00:34:36,300
face on screen telling this. This whole thing before the

510
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,020
credits even roll. And I'm like, okay, yeah, you got me.

511
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,620
Here's a good story. And it's from a little bit later.

512
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,740
It's from when they finally all get together. But a lot of these stories are

513
00:34:49,240 --> 00:34:52,700
from when they get. It's basically like there's a very little bit before you

514
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,660
see them all gather at this guy's place. So the things with

515
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,460
Liangella coming home and finding his apartment empty

516
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,530
or his house empty, like, you find out about that, but you

517
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:08,130
find out about it later. So. And it's not like you're seeing it before the

518
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:12,250
event starts. It's just very much like, hey, I hear this guy's having people

519
00:35:12,750 --> 00:35:15,690
over. Oh, really? Why is he having people? Well, they're doing this thing, and,

520
00:35:16,190 --> 00:35:18,970
you know, it's important for men to get together and stay together and all this

521
00:35:19,470 --> 00:35:22,810
kind of stuff. And then the evening starts, and you kind of get that

522
00:35:23,310 --> 00:35:27,010
same character breakdown as far as, like, this guy's a psychiatrist. This guy

523
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:30,720
does this, this guy does this. And I'm like, okay, so I mean,

524
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,480
Leonard Michaels definitely knew how to

525
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,760
take his own work. And I mean, it may not.

526
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,040
May not be the most riveting story in the world.

527
00:35:42,540 --> 00:35:45,920
There's not that much story. Like I said, it's so monologue heavy.

528
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:49,520
But, I mean, it's pretty faithful to the book. And if you

529
00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:53,320
didn't want to read the book like I did, go ahead and just watch the

530
00:35:53,820 --> 00:35:57,330
movie. Yeah, the movie.

531
00:35:57,830 --> 00:36:01,010
The movie itself is very, very decent. I did enjoy time with

532
00:36:01,510 --> 00:36:05,170
it. I've had these friends before, and who

533
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:10,010
knows that the men's club would inspire casual

534
00:36:10,510 --> 00:36:13,770
acts. Throwing now amongst men. These are knives in this movie.

535
00:36:14,270 --> 00:36:17,290
And again, it's so ridiculous some of

536
00:36:17,790 --> 00:36:21,370
the things you. Throwing knives at your own dining room

537
00:36:21,870 --> 00:36:25,530
door and expecting your wife not to be mad

538
00:36:26,030 --> 00:36:29,450
about that. I would like a little more context in There, but,

539
00:36:29,950 --> 00:36:33,050
you know, with their relationship. But at the same time, is.

540
00:36:33,550 --> 00:36:36,529
Is it really needed if, you know, she's not going to clonk him on the

541
00:36:37,029 --> 00:36:39,170
head with the frying pan like she does in the book. And that's the end

542
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:43,810
of the book. I mean, he took the time to take that concept

543
00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:47,500
and expand it, you know, and do, you know, a full fledged,

544
00:36:47,580 --> 00:36:51,780
you know, film adaptation which, you know, these guys leaving

545
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,940
the house. Obviously, if that was. If I was the wife, I'd be throwing the

546
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,940
out too. You know, you. Your friends go out and play somewhere

547
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,260
else because you could tell. And she played it real well for the short time

548
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,660
you were stock and chanting in the film, you could tell she was just this

549
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,420
frazzled wife that put up with a lot of. Because that was like.

550
00:37:09,820 --> 00:37:13,520
That was like the adverse. Like, yeah, you guys gotta get

551
00:37:14,020 --> 00:37:17,120
out now, you know. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I mean,

552
00:37:17,620 --> 00:37:20,880
really, so much of this movie feels like it's a play insofar

553
00:37:21,380 --> 00:37:24,680
as, like once we get to the party or the

554
00:37:25,180 --> 00:37:28,840
get together, the men's club itself, like, it's pretty much that

555
00:37:29,340 --> 00:37:32,520
location. And then when they go to the whorehouse, it's that location.

556
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,600
And it's like, okay, you know, like, of course there are rooms inside of

557
00:37:37,100 --> 00:37:40,950
the whorehouse, but. Or sorry, I should probably be saying something nicer like

558
00:37:41,450 --> 00:37:44,990
brothel or something. But there's all these different rooms in the brothel.

559
00:37:45,470 --> 00:37:49,270
And so we have like, oh, here's what Frank Langella is up to. And here's

560
00:37:49,770 --> 00:37:53,110
what the Harvey Keitel is up to. His famous I'm not

561
00:37:53,610 --> 00:37:55,790
masturbating lying that I love so much.

562
00:37:58,590 --> 00:38:02,710
I didn't realize that that is how this movie is

563
00:38:03,210 --> 00:38:05,870
known as that clip of him on YouTube. I'm like,

564
00:38:06,370 --> 00:38:10,100
okay, great. And they let him use his voice in this too.

565
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,420
It's not like Saturn 3 where he was dubbed over. So I was kind of.

566
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,420
Oh, yeah. When I seen Heartbreak, I tell this movie. I was waiting for,

567
00:38:17,740 --> 00:38:20,940
you know, the other voice to come in because I wasn't sure quite at what

568
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,940
time, you know, because was blue collar before Saturn 3?

569
00:38:25,740 --> 00:38:29,340
I think it was. Yeah, it was. That was 70s

570
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,380
and Saturn 3 was 80s, so. Oh, Saturn 3 is so

571
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,010
much fun. It is very fun. But it seems so odd,

572
00:38:37,510 --> 00:38:39,810
that voice coming out of that mouth. And. Yeah, oh, yeah.

573
00:38:41,330 --> 00:38:44,730
When his voice is. I mean, when Last Temptation

574
00:38:45,230 --> 00:38:48,970
of Christ came out, nobody could stop talking about Harvey Keitel because of

575
00:38:49,470 --> 00:38:52,050
his accent. When he's supposed to be an ancient Israelite,

576
00:38:54,210 --> 00:38:57,970
it's like, okay, yeah, but he's got, he's Got the Harvey Keitel

577
00:38:58,470 --> 00:39:01,890
voice. You know, it's like, all right, yeah, cool, easy.

578
00:39:02,390 --> 00:39:06,010
He's just. Just south of Italy, south of Jerusalem, I guess. Yeah,

579
00:39:06,510 --> 00:39:08,490
I guess so. South. South Bronx. Yeah.

580
00:39:10,650 --> 00:39:14,450
For sure. Like the whole thing.

581
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:18,090
The whole thing with the what? You know, the. The House of ill repute,

582
00:39:18,590 --> 00:39:22,090
we'll call it again. You know, the biggest thing I

583
00:39:22,250 --> 00:39:26,050
didn't like about the film is not even that it's

584
00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:30,050
kind of hard to want these guys to be better because they're

585
00:39:30,550 --> 00:39:33,690
such. Until they get to. Even when they get to the whorehouse

586
00:39:34,190 --> 00:39:37,650
and. But. But the women

587
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:40,890
trying to make them better in a way by. By asking them, you know,

588
00:39:41,210 --> 00:39:44,490
what their issues is and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like,

589
00:39:45,130 --> 00:39:48,650
I really don't want redemption for these men at this point.

590
00:39:49,150 --> 00:39:52,520
And so that's the biggest thing that takes me out of it.

591
00:39:52,990 --> 00:39:56,270
You know, I would rather have, like, them. Them go to.

592
00:39:56,350 --> 00:39:59,590
To. To. To the. To the whorehouse and then possibly go somewhere

593
00:40:00,090 --> 00:40:02,950
else and maybe one of them get critically injured for.

594
00:40:03,450 --> 00:40:06,510
From their actions. I don't. I don't know. I want bad. Something.

595
00:40:06,590 --> 00:40:09,870
Something. Something. Something bad to happen to one of

596
00:40:10,370 --> 00:40:12,590
them. And I think the frying pan over the head in the book would have.

597
00:40:13,090 --> 00:40:16,550
Would have been like, hey, Louis Jordan comes home and then,

598
00:40:17,050 --> 00:40:20,550
you know, his wife probably gets sick of him and just clonks him over

599
00:40:21,050 --> 00:40:24,230
the head or possibly shoots him in the chest. I don't. I don't know,

600
00:40:24,730 --> 00:40:28,630
man. I just needed something like that, you know. Oh, yeah, no, you're right.

601
00:40:29,130 --> 00:40:32,510
If. If they had lost a guy with each place they went to, and by

602
00:40:33,010 --> 00:40:36,870
the end, it's just like Frank Langella and, And Harvey Keitel together

603
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:40,270
or like, you know, maybe even do like the David

604
00:40:40,770 --> 00:40:43,870
Dukes and Craig Wasson characters, the two that

605
00:40:44,370 --> 00:40:46,550
you think would be the first to go, you know.

606
00:40:48,500 --> 00:40:50,900
Make this a dark comedy like that. Make. Yeah,

607
00:40:52,580 --> 00:40:55,660
and make it very bad things. And then. Oh, God,

608
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,820
yes, I would be all over this. Those guys deserve

609
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,420
very bad things to happen to him. Yes. If severe things happen,

610
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,700
these men throughout the film and not just, hey, my wife

611
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,380
threw me out, that's like the most severe thing. You know, he's just going to

612
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,390
come home that, that. That same night, like nothing happened. So, so it just.

613
00:41:16,510 --> 00:41:20,070
That's my biggest takeaway for this film is that you want bad things to happen

614
00:41:20,570 --> 00:41:24,430
to these men, but it doesn't really happen. So if this was a dark comedy,

615
00:41:24,750 --> 00:41:27,470
I think I would have enjoyed my time with it a little bit more.

616
00:41:27,970 --> 00:41:31,230
You know, I honestly expected. So like,

617
00:41:31,790 --> 00:41:35,070
Frank Langell is Probably the guy we actually spend the most time

618
00:41:35,570 --> 00:41:38,670
with when I look at the movie, because you get the long scene of

619
00:41:39,170 --> 00:41:42,870
him coming home, hearing the note that his wife

620
00:41:43,370 --> 00:41:47,350
left him or soon to be ex wife left him. And when he's

621
00:41:47,850 --> 00:41:51,790
the guy that sets them up with the brothel and

622
00:41:52,190 --> 00:41:56,670
pays for everything too, which isn't cheap, even in $1986.

623
00:41:57,389 --> 00:42:00,790
And then he goes off with Teensy, the Jennifer Jason

624
00:42:01,290 --> 00:42:04,710
Lee character, and she paints his face and stuff. And he looks like

625
00:42:05,210 --> 00:42:08,950
he's very smug and very. Just like, I'm above it all now. When he

626
00:42:09,450 --> 00:42:12,550
comes back down and he's not wearing a shirt, just wearing suspenders

627
00:42:13,050 --> 00:42:16,730
pants, all this almost like glam rock makeup on him

628
00:42:17,230 --> 00:42:20,650
and like a handprint on his chest. And I'm like. I can

629
00:42:21,150 --> 00:42:23,210
see him becoming like the.

630
00:42:24,250 --> 00:42:27,730
Oh, God, the William H. Macy of

631
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:32,050
this group. I can see him like leaving the house and coming back with a

632
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:36,570
gun and killing everyone. He just is so off the reservation.

633
00:42:37,050 --> 00:42:40,930
And I'm like, does nobody else see this? Like, he seems like he

634
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:44,430
is not in a state of bliss. It seems like he's in a state of

635
00:42:44,930 --> 00:42:48,270
psychosis. Yeah, but at the same time, you know,

636
00:42:48,770 --> 00:42:52,510
you do get that scene of him going home and nothing being there. So it's

637
00:42:53,010 --> 00:42:56,630
almost like. Not that I'm not. I'm not gonna use the word, hey, he's free

638
00:42:57,130 --> 00:43:00,510
now. But you know what? He is free in a sense to say he's not

639
00:43:01,010 --> 00:43:05,310
attached to anything now, so why. Why not go have another debauchery

640
00:43:05,810 --> 00:43:09,150
where girl's gonna paint my body and I'm gonna dance around like an.

641
00:43:09,390 --> 00:43:12,990
With this girl and, you know, so I. I'll take it from

642
00:43:13,490 --> 00:43:17,070
his character, you know? Oh, yeah. Not so much these other dudes,

643
00:43:17,570 --> 00:43:21,070
you know. No, but like, I think he's as close to a protagonist as we

644
00:43:21,570 --> 00:43:24,750
get, you know? But then you get like the weird with

645
00:43:25,250 --> 00:43:28,910
Harvey Keitel where he needs the prostitute to marry him and all. I'm like,

646
00:43:29,410 --> 00:43:32,510
please just stop with this stuff. I don't need this stuff at all. Like,

647
00:43:33,110 --> 00:43:36,990
this movie might have been better for me without the Keitel character.

648
00:43:37,490 --> 00:43:40,550
But then there are those weird little moments that I really like.

649
00:43:41,050 --> 00:43:44,350
Like, you know, talking more about Langella or talking about the

650
00:43:44,850 --> 00:43:49,710
Ann Wedgeworth character. Wedgeworth Wentworth, that she's got the little ventriloquist

651
00:43:50,210 --> 00:43:53,670
doll with her the whole time. I'm like, this is just kind of fucked up.

652
00:43:54,310 --> 00:43:57,510
I'm not sure where this is coming from, but I'm here for it.

653
00:43:58,720 --> 00:44:01,960
Yeah. Yeah. It's just. That's like the the neatest

654
00:44:02,460 --> 00:44:05,880
things to me, like, the. The odd quirks with the. With the prostitutes,

655
00:44:06,380 --> 00:44:10,280
and it just, It. It. It lessens these

656
00:44:10,780 --> 00:44:14,320
men's, you know, drives to be pricks, you know, so,

657
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,360
you know, when they kind of get the better of them,

658
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:22,080
it. I'm glad this part of the film was written outside the book because

659
00:44:22,580 --> 00:44:26,270
it really, if that was it, you know, the. That's. That's where

660
00:44:26,770 --> 00:44:29,310
the. The story stops him getting hit over the head with the frying pan.

661
00:44:29,630 --> 00:44:32,110
Although I do want him to feel some kind of pain.

662
00:44:33,150 --> 00:44:36,950
The other guys wouldn't learn nothing and that they're kind of learn stuff

663
00:44:37,450 --> 00:44:40,990
through, you know, through these women. And not that

664
00:44:41,490 --> 00:44:44,030
I'm rooting for them to be good or anything. It's just. You know what.

665
00:44:44,430 --> 00:44:49,110
It adds something to this. To this machismo that

666
00:44:49,610 --> 00:44:53,190
we really don't get in the next movie, you know? Yeah, well, in the machismo,

667
00:44:53,690 --> 00:44:57,050
still there for me, like, especially when, you know, Ro Schneider's like,

668
00:44:57,550 --> 00:45:00,970
oh, well, I'm gonna stick around here. Then he eventually leaves,

669
00:45:01,530 --> 00:45:05,690
and that whole weird thing of him walking across the bridge

670
00:45:05,850 --> 00:45:09,330
and then, like, the other guys just happen to be there and

671
00:45:09,830 --> 00:45:12,690
join him. I'm like, okay, I thought you all took off in, like, the wedding

672
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:16,690
party. But. And it's. He's not even wearing the same outfit, so I'm like,

673
00:45:17,190 --> 00:45:20,930
is this, like a later day, later time that he just happens to be walking

674
00:45:21,430 --> 00:45:24,760
down this bridge and all the guys join him? That seemed very out of place

675
00:45:25,260 --> 00:45:28,880
to me. And if anything, I think he's wearing the same outfit that he was

676
00:45:29,380 --> 00:45:31,000
in that opening monologue that I talked about.

677
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,560
Yeah, I didn't need the Ocean's Eleven ending. That. That was. That was

678
00:45:37,060 --> 00:45:40,920
strange, right? Yeah. And then that. It's just him and Wasson

679
00:45:41,420 --> 00:45:44,960
and Dukes again. I'm like, okay, yeah, these are the. The three people

680
00:45:45,460 --> 00:45:49,600
I would not have expected to end up, you know, like, Schneider starts

681
00:45:50,100 --> 00:45:53,700
the movie, but he kind of gets lost a little bit throughout it,

682
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,380
but he will pop up again. And, yeah, he's just. Oh, my God,

683
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,780
is he posturing so much? Yeah,

684
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:06,140
that's. That's what it's all about, though. This. This whole movie is posturing and,

685
00:46:06,780 --> 00:46:10,220
you know, being. Being pigheaded and just, you know,

686
00:46:10,780 --> 00:46:14,060
all. All the above. And again,

687
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,410
I liked it because of the actors that were in it. It just.

688
00:46:17,730 --> 00:46:21,210
It wasn't these actors. I would have turned this off about.

689
00:46:21,710 --> 00:46:22,930
About 10 minutes, you know.

690
00:46:25,410 --> 00:46:28,770
Yeah. Yeah, they really do. Save it.

691
00:46:29,170 --> 00:46:32,450
Yeah. Thanks for bringing this to the table there, brother. I appreciate that.

692
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:35,770
Because I, I wouldn't have watched it otherwise. I would never heard of it otherwise.

693
00:46:36,270 --> 00:46:39,890
So. Oh my gosh. Any, any final

694
00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:43,820
thoughts on, on this film, the Men's Club? No, other than

695
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,020
it seems like a very strange time capsule. Like I,

696
00:46:47,580 --> 00:46:51,540
other than seeing that poster image, I never read

697
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,700
about this movie, heard of it really before. So it was

698
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,820
an interesting thing to just, you know, kind of run across and be like,

699
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,100
holy, this is a, just a, such a strange film. Especially like

700
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:08,710
I said, 86. But you forget just how long

701
00:47:09,210 --> 00:47:13,270
it took for women to get a lot of the same rights that they're trying

702
00:47:13,770 --> 00:47:16,990
to have taken away now. It's like, this is amazing that these

703
00:47:17,490 --> 00:47:20,830
guys were these macho assholes so much in

704
00:47:21,330 --> 00:47:24,830
86 I was there. I don't remember it being that

705
00:47:25,330 --> 00:47:26,390
bad, but apparently it was.

706
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:32,630
Yes, it's cruel, you know, it's pompous.

707
00:47:33,110 --> 00:47:36,640
But at the same time the, the women in the end kind

708
00:47:37,140 --> 00:47:41,120
of get the better of these, these group of stooges. So it

709
00:47:41,620 --> 00:47:44,720
makes, it makes you want to keep watching it and these actors make you want

710
00:47:45,220 --> 00:47:48,640
to keep watching it. So I'd say for, for me, it's a light

711
00:47:49,140 --> 00:47:51,720
recommend to, to check it out. It's just in,

712
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,400
it's apparently streaming on Prime. I swear

713
00:47:56,900 --> 00:48:00,840
it wasn't as of a couple weeks ago, but apparently it is now at

714
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,440
mgm. Plus if you get it, it's streaming on there. So if you

715
00:48:04,940 --> 00:48:08,260
got either one of those things, I'd say go check it out.

716
00:48:08,340 --> 00:48:11,140
Because I, I, yeah,

717
00:48:11,700 --> 00:48:14,980
to your point. I don't even know if this was ever released on dvd.

718
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,500
I don't think it's out on Blu Ray. No, I don't think so.

719
00:48:19,380 --> 00:48:23,060
I could somebody like Kino picking this up though, and, and putting some,

720
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,740
putting something out though. That'd be nice especially to have

721
00:48:27,240 --> 00:48:30,940
somebody who knows more about Leonard Michaels, more about Peter

722
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,620
Madak. I mean, may, that's still with us. It'd be perfect to, to do some

723
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,480
commentary for it. And you know, I'm trying to think we've got a few of

724
00:48:38,980 --> 00:48:42,280
these actors are still with us as well, so be great to hear from them

725
00:48:42,780 --> 00:48:46,600
or Jennifer, Jason Lee, you know, I think they could do a really nice deluxe

726
00:48:47,100 --> 00:48:50,360
set of this. Yeah, I, I, I'd buy it. I'd buy

727
00:48:50,860 --> 00:48:54,440
it. Especially the, the way, you know, has sales and they say, hey, you know,

728
00:48:54,940 --> 00:48:58,360
then they have, they have about 25 of those a year. So I like,

729
00:48:58,860 --> 00:49:01,570
I got no excuse now not to buy this. It's just Exactly.

730
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:06,200
Yeah, that's the men's Club, though, like I said, a light recommend for me to

731
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,680
check it out if you guys have it available to you. But next

732
00:49:10,180 --> 00:49:13,560
up, we go further into the toxicity

733
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,320
of the male psyche within the company of men.

734
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:21,720
Right. This trailer, in the Company of Men from

735
00:49:22,220 --> 00:49:25,400
1997. Your cheap applause synopsis

736
00:49:25,900 --> 00:49:29,960
is. Two business executives, one an awkward misogynist

737
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,200
and the other, recently emotionally wounded by his love interest,

738
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,760
set out to exact revenge on the female gender by seeking out

739
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,280
one of the most in the rest. Thanks, stupid thing.

740
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,800
One of the most innocent, uncorrupted girl they could

741
00:49:45,300 --> 00:49:48,640
find in ruining her life. This stars Aaron Eckhart,

742
00:49:49,140 --> 00:49:52,400
who you know from many, many things. Thank you for not smoking.

743
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,560
The dark knight he sees. And he's. He's. I like this

744
00:49:57,060 --> 00:50:00,900
act. Matt Moy.

745
00:50:01,060 --> 00:50:04,660
We'll say it again. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Can't forget one

746
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,780
of his best. Yes, indeed, Matt Malloy, who I only know for

747
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:13,300
a couple. I know was a character actor. I. I see him in things I

748
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,660
just got to meet recently Denise Richards at a convention, and he's

749
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,500
in Drop Dead Gorgeous, which is a film that I love. He's nice.

750
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,580
Yeah, the creepy guy with the camcorder. You know,

751
00:50:25,130 --> 00:50:28,330
film. The film of those young girls, you know, it just. It just.

752
00:50:28,970 --> 00:50:32,490
He's a guy that shows up in things and I. I always appreciate that,

753
00:50:33,850 --> 00:50:37,410
Stacy. It's really weird to see him. Oh, sorry. I was just

754
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:41,650
gonna say it's really weird to see Matt Malloy in this one where he's,

755
00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:46,570
like, still clinging on to that hair, like, you know

756
00:50:47,070 --> 00:50:50,090
him for being bald. And he. You can tell in this movie you're like.

757
00:50:50,590 --> 00:50:53,450
You're like six ways weeks away from being bald here. So,

758
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,560
yeah, let's get this down before you lose it all.

759
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,200
It's almost part of the character, though, I think, if I think

760
00:51:01,700 --> 00:51:05,560
about it, you know, real deep, you know. Oh, my gosh.

761
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:10,240
But. And I just didn't write to recognize Stacey

762
00:51:10,740 --> 00:51:14,080
Edwards as Christine. Maybe you recognize her from things.

763
00:51:14,580 --> 00:51:17,640
I have no idea where she's in. No, I.

764
00:51:18,140 --> 00:51:22,110
I really don't. And I was very surprised because I looked

765
00:51:22,610 --> 00:51:26,030
her up and I think she has her hearing. So it's

766
00:51:26,530 --> 00:51:29,670
very interesting. Like, 1997 was still okay

767
00:51:30,170 --> 00:51:33,390
for a person with hearing to play a deaf woman,

768
00:51:33,950 --> 00:51:37,670
which I don't think would really fly these days is

769
00:51:38,170 --> 00:51:40,390
so strange, you know? Like, I don't know if we're going to go back to

770
00:51:40,890 --> 00:51:44,110
that anytime soon where it's just like, oh, yeah, yeah, you can have whoever play

771
00:51:44,610 --> 00:51:47,750
whatever. But it was just like, oh, because she plays

772
00:51:48,250 --> 00:51:51,380
them Very. To me, convincing deaf person in this.

773
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,060
Movie, you're not wrong. Because I've

774
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,900
worked with a lot of deaf people in my time. My aunt worked for a

775
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,660
place called the New Hope center when I was much younger and that

776
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,540
worked with a lot of deaf people and a lot of mentally handicapped people.

777
00:52:05,620 --> 00:52:08,980
So I've worked with a lot of deaf people in my younger days.

778
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,980
So I know the way they communicate, the way they talk. And it was pretty.

779
00:52:14,350 --> 00:52:17,070
It was pretty good portrayal of a deaf person, I gotta say.

780
00:52:17,150 --> 00:52:20,950
Yeah, this is

781
00:52:21,450 --> 00:52:25,750
directed by a director that I recognize the name and I've heard reputations

782
00:52:26,250 --> 00:52:29,070
about this person, Neil Abute.

783
00:52:29,310 --> 00:52:32,350
Can you shine some. Some light on Neil before us, Mike, at all?

784
00:52:33,230 --> 00:52:36,670
Well, Neil LaBute, I know that he is most.

785
00:52:37,170 --> 00:52:40,400
Well, he's a playwright and this was one of his

786
00:52:40,900 --> 00:52:44,560
plays, I think one of his most successful plays. I think he has gone

787
00:52:45,060 --> 00:52:48,036
back to that as well. I actually tried to reach Mr.

788
00:52:48,124 --> 00:52:51,680
LaBute for something we were covering, and I'm trying to remember

789
00:52:52,180 --> 00:52:55,520
what it was. But, yeah, this was the movie that

790
00:52:56,020 --> 00:53:01,200
put him in the spotlight back in 97. Really put

791
00:53:01,700 --> 00:53:04,840
him on a whole different path in Hollywood. And really, it was not just

792
00:53:05,340 --> 00:53:09,000
him, it was him and Aaron Eckhart. Because his first, I think like

793
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,640
three or four films, all. All had Eckhart

794
00:53:13,140 --> 00:53:17,000
in there. I remember your friends and neighbors. And I don't remember what else

795
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,800
that he was in. And then,

796
00:53:20,300 --> 00:53:24,560
yeah, went on to make the most notorious remake

797
00:53:25,060 --> 00:53:28,760
of Our Age. And that, of course, is the Wicker

798
00:53:29,260 --> 00:53:32,840
man with Nicolas Cage. So a lot of people

799
00:53:33,340 --> 00:53:36,050
thought he had just. The butte. Had lost his freaking mind.

800
00:53:37,970 --> 00:53:41,650
I think he's recovered from it, but I don't. I couldn't tell you anything that

801
00:53:42,150 --> 00:53:45,690
he's done since then. That's what I know I'm from. And get.

802
00:53:46,190 --> 00:53:49,170
You know, for as much as I love the 70s Wicker Man,

803
00:53:49,810 --> 00:53:52,970
I don't hate the new one. But it's not. It's for all the wrong

804
00:53:53,470 --> 00:53:56,610
reasons. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. All the wrong reasons why I like it.

805
00:53:57,110 --> 00:54:00,810
You know, like I. I always say, every time Nicholas Cage drop

806
00:54:01,310 --> 00:54:04,670
kicks a pagan, an angel gets its wing. You know, if this happens

807
00:54:05,170 --> 00:54:08,270
in that. That Wicker man movie. So good. Yeah.

808
00:54:09,150 --> 00:54:11,630
How'd it get burned? Yeah. So good.

809
00:54:12,030 --> 00:54:15,830
Yeah. That performance, it makes. It makes

810
00:54:16,330 --> 00:54:19,470
for a bad film, I guess. I guess you would call it.

811
00:54:19,970 --> 00:54:24,950
But it's still better than the Wicker Tree. Okay. And I

812
00:54:25,450 --> 00:54:28,450
tried Wicker Tree. I just. I couldn't get India. But, yeah,

813
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,640
I wish I could remember. Offhand what it was that we were going to.

814
00:54:33,140 --> 00:54:36,400
I was trying to interview the beaut about because I was just

815
00:54:36,900 --> 00:54:39,920
impressed that his person actually got back to me, so. Which is so

816
00:54:40,420 --> 00:54:43,880
rare that someone even will write back with a no. I'm like,

817
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,360
thank you for just even acknowledging that I wrote to you.

818
00:54:47,860 --> 00:54:51,640
But yeah, I really wish I could remember what it was because

819
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,440
I don't think we've really talked about anything that

820
00:54:55,940 --> 00:54:58,760
he has worked on recently.

821
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,880
So maybe he was doing some sort of like, TV thing, because I think he

822
00:55:03,380 --> 00:55:07,120
did some TV work as well. Okay. Yeah, but that's,

823
00:55:07,620 --> 00:55:09,960
that's probably the thing I know him from is that Wicker man remake. And.

824
00:55:10,460 --> 00:55:13,720
Oh, yeah, where have I heard this epic name from before? I couldn't tell you.

825
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:18,600
There it is, you know, the bees just going crazy.

826
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:22,280
All about the bees. Yes. But this,

827
00:55:22,780 --> 00:55:26,170
this film itself, you know, I could see, you know, the playwright in it

828
00:55:26,670 --> 00:55:30,490
because it kind of, kind of plays like that. Like I,

829
00:55:30,990 --> 00:55:34,570
I, I. And I guess that, that aspect of I like,

830
00:55:34,890 --> 00:55:38,770
you know, it's just that the whole, the whole idea, the whole idea of

831
00:55:39,270 --> 00:55:42,570
these men, you know, in, in, in the end,

832
00:55:42,890 --> 00:55:46,330
one of them really gets away with something. And we'll talk

833
00:55:46,830 --> 00:55:51,100
about that in a minute about, you know, toxic males and female

834
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:57,620
doormats, apparently. But, but I'll

835
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,540
let you go first, Mike, In the Company Men. What are your thoughts on it,

836
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,820
sir? So I saw in the Company Men at theater.

837
00:56:04,900 --> 00:56:07,780
I think it was playing at like a little art house theater,

838
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,460
either the main or the DFT here, Detroit Film Theater.

839
00:56:12,020 --> 00:56:15,420
And I definitely. It definitely made a big impression on

840
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:19,110
me. There were a lot of things. One of them was how freaking good Aaron

841
00:56:19,610 --> 00:56:23,190
Eckhart is. I know that he's supposed to also have very bad

842
00:56:23,690 --> 00:56:27,310
reputation also with. Neil LaBute also has a bad reputation

843
00:56:27,810 --> 00:56:31,430
from what I understand. But mostly Eckhart. And it sounds. He gets

844
00:56:31,930 --> 00:56:34,590
to Method, I guess. I don't know.

845
00:56:35,070 --> 00:56:38,150
Anyway, I remembered things

846
00:56:38,650 --> 00:56:42,030
about this movie, but I didn't remember everything about this

847
00:56:42,530 --> 00:56:46,490
movie. I most remembered more than how

848
00:56:46,570 --> 00:56:50,170
awful they were to the woman or all women,

849
00:56:50,250 --> 00:56:54,330
but the woman in this. I just remember the racism

850
00:56:54,810 --> 00:56:59,090
really bothering me and the whole thing with Keith and

851
00:56:59,590 --> 00:57:02,930
the big balls thing. I was just like, oh, my God,

852
00:57:03,430 --> 00:57:07,610
that just blew my mind. And it

853
00:57:08,110 --> 00:57:11,370
was with great hesitation that I suggested

854
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,560
doing this with the men's club because I knew I was going to have to

855
00:57:16,060 --> 00:57:19,040
rewatch it after all these years. And I was dreading it.

856
00:57:19,540 --> 00:57:22,760
But that's also a great thing. I think that the Butte really

857
00:57:23,260 --> 00:57:26,600
did something here by making me dread this Art so

858
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,800
Yeah, I can see that, you know, having trouble re watching this movie

859
00:57:36,300 --> 00:57:37,270
because it's the first time I watched it. And,

860
00:57:40,060 --> 00:57:43,180
and yeah, the dialogue is very heavy. But I think

861
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,620
that this time they're making lots of films like this.

862
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:50,740
I, I think, you know, American Psycho was right around this

863
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:54,580
time. Stuff like even, you know, even younger people, The Rules

864
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:56,940
of attraction. What was around this time?

865
00:57:58,140 --> 00:58:02,780
I'm trying to think of more but this, this was the time for toxic

866
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:07,150
dudes to be in movies and just be douchey about it. And if

867
00:58:07,650 --> 00:58:12,670
I, I thought, yeah, you know, a film that. I love Doug

868
00:58:13,170 --> 00:58:16,590
Lyman's Swingers. I love the film, but I recognize that

869
00:58:17,090 --> 00:58:21,030
the men are doing wrong things in Swingers, but, you know,

870
00:58:21,530 --> 00:58:25,430
it just was a time for this. But this takes it to, like, an extreme

871
00:58:25,910 --> 00:58:29,510
to say, you know, you kind of believe it in American Psycho because it's kind

872
00:58:30,010 --> 00:58:33,320
of like a satire. But this, this film kind of tells

873
00:58:33,820 --> 00:58:36,240
you that, yeah, this is the way these guys talk.

874
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,360
And this is, you know,

875
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:44,160
almost like verbatim of what a.

876
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:47,800
A person could do to somebody else or

877
00:58:48,300 --> 00:58:51,760
even somebody that's supposedly your colleague or maybe even your friend,

878
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:55,640
you know, because, you know, he doesn't come out

879
00:58:56,140 --> 00:58:58,970
too good at the end of this either. And the, the whole time here in

880
00:58:59,470 --> 00:59:02,890
our Aaron Eckhart's character is, is, is him over along

881
00:59:03,370 --> 00:59:07,210
with, with, with over, you know, our. Our lady in this movie,

882
00:59:07,710 --> 00:59:09,370
you know, and. Oh, yeah. Yes.

883
00:59:10,410 --> 00:59:13,969
Nothing positive there at all. I mean, Eckhart is like one

884
00:59:14,469 --> 00:59:17,930
of the great villains in this movie. He. It's like.

885
00:59:18,650 --> 00:59:22,410
It's not like you see the machinations, you know, it's not like

886
00:59:22,910 --> 00:59:26,190
you see where he's, you know, like, the things that you see him

887
00:59:26,690 --> 00:59:30,070
doing all feel like they're coming out of this plan that he and

888
00:59:30,570 --> 00:59:34,230
his bro took up. And like, oh, well, this is

889
00:59:34,730 --> 00:59:38,150
the time where you're going to see us together. This is the time where you're

890
00:59:38,650 --> 00:59:41,230
going to try to go on a date and she'll be with me. Like,

891
00:59:41,390 --> 00:59:44,390
you see all of that, but then there's like, you know,

892
00:59:44,890 --> 00:59:48,070
those are the machinations. There's also the Machiavelli on top of

893
00:59:48,570 --> 00:59:52,820
it where it's like, oh, you didn't actually leave your girlfriend

894
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:56,500
or your girlfriend didn't leave you. Like, all of these things where it's like,

895
00:59:56,580 --> 00:59:59,820
not only is he playing this game, but then

896
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:04,060
he's playing a game on top of it. For him, it's all a fucking

897
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:07,540
game. I think. I think he thinks this is the biggest Laugh of the century.

898
01:00:07,940 --> 01:00:12,060
And he's going to be knee slapping this shit up with his next batch

899
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:15,940
of bros and he's going to get laughs out of it forever.

900
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:20,120
He, to me, in this movie, is one of the. The greatest villains

901
01:00:20,620 --> 01:00:23,760
that we've ever seen on screen. Oh, yeah, and it's

902
01:00:24,260 --> 01:00:28,080
so easy for him because he sees this girl who's incredibly

903
01:00:28,580 --> 01:00:31,920
nice and incredibly shy. Easy target. He sees

904
01:00:32,420 --> 01:00:35,760
his. His colleague who's this rube who

905
01:00:36,260 --> 01:00:39,760
just got over, you know, relationship. So he's weak. He's just preying on

906
01:00:40,260 --> 01:00:43,720
the weak this whole time. Oh, you know, it's not like you're rooting

907
01:00:44,220 --> 01:00:47,500
for him, but he's almost like. Like a vulture looking

908
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:51,780
for. To find easy prey. And he. He sees that and there's

909
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:56,620
this guy, he sees that in this girl and, you know, the. The vulture

910
01:00:57,120 --> 01:01:01,540
gets to eat in the end. It's all say about that, you know, and it's

911
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:05,380
just. It's. It's. That is. Go ahead. Sorry. Go ahead,

912
01:01:05,540 --> 01:01:08,940
Gary. That is one of the most insightful things. You call him a vulture.

913
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:13,220
It's like thinking back, there's one scene with. After they hatch their

914
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:17,380
plan or they start to hatch it, like, Eckhart is

915
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,780
taller than the other guy. And I'm sorry, I just keep calling him the other

916
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:23,780
guy. I'm very sorry. But he's taller than Malloy.

917
01:01:24,500 --> 01:01:28,060
And he's also got that huge chin. Like a very like,

918
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:31,660
prominent, heroic chin. You know, he's not Bruce Campbell, but he's getting

919
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:35,940
there. And there's. And so he's like kind of stands over him with that

920
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:39,220
chin. And you're right, he does look like a freaking vulture. There's one moment in

921
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:42,380
the movie where he's like reaching his arm back. He's holding on to a,

922
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:47,080
like a door frame. I'm like, yeah, he looks like he's got freaking wing to

923
01:01:47,580 --> 01:01:50,720
angel of Death, this. This other dude. And that's what he does.

924
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:55,400
And the fact that and I, I put this together till just now. You're talking

925
01:01:55,900 --> 01:01:59,440
about that. There's that scene where homeboy takes.

926
01:01:59,940 --> 01:02:03,200
Takes the girl to like some kind of safari or something.

927
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:07,320
Yeah. It kind of goes together in a

928
01:02:07,820 --> 01:02:11,040
way, like the creature looking for their prey kind of kind of thing.

929
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:14,890
And you know, it's just, oh, my God,

930
01:02:15,210 --> 01:02:18,650
he's. He's awful. And. And he. He plays

931
01:02:19,150 --> 01:02:23,050
it. He plays it so well. And in this film. But, you know,

932
01:02:23,530 --> 01:02:25,850
again, another one where, you know,

933
01:02:27,290 --> 01:02:31,370
you want. You want redemption for. For, you know, the weak guy,

934
01:02:31,870 --> 01:02:35,970
but you don't really get it. It's just. It's just. No, it hangs

935
01:02:36,470 --> 01:02:39,860
there. Oh, yeah. The way this movie

936
01:02:40,020 --> 01:02:43,420
ends is like a slap across the face. It's like

937
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:48,100
the exact opposite of the men's club. It's like. Yeah, you feel like

938
01:02:48,260 --> 01:02:51,220
these guys might have learned something at the end of the men's club. And this

939
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:54,860
one, like, yeah, it's just gonna learn what disappointment was. I could

940
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:59,300
tell you that. And you know. Oh, yeah. Nobody gets their comeuppance,

941
01:02:59,540 --> 01:03:02,540
you know, like, I guess. I guess the.

942
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:06,080
The other guy. I guess Malloy gets the comeuppance, but,

943
01:03:06,580 --> 01:03:10,080
like, Eckhart gets away with it. The thing that really gets me about the movie

944
01:03:10,580 --> 01:03:14,200
is the way that Ecker can move around and talk to

945
01:03:14,700 --> 01:03:18,640
different people. And he uses pretty much the same language. Sometimes a

946
01:03:19,140 --> 01:03:22,720
little, like, thicker or less thick. Like when he

947
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:26,800
bonds with the. A hole at the company that they got sent to

948
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,400
and starts talking about the deaf lady.

949
01:03:31,370 --> 01:03:34,490
And they just start. They are almost

950
01:03:34,990 --> 01:03:38,770
instant comrades because they are tearing down somebody else

951
01:03:39,270 --> 01:03:43,250
and just shit talking. And I'm like, this. This is

952
01:03:43,750 --> 01:03:47,090
the world. Like, the whole world is all of these Aaron Eckharts. And he

953
01:03:47,590 --> 01:03:50,770
can just come and go as he pleases and just make himself at

954
01:03:51,270 --> 01:03:55,690
home anywhere, because everybody in this world is him talking

955
01:03:56,090 --> 01:04:00,180
about other people in one of the most awful ways.

956
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,980
Just the insults when he starts doing that dolphin noise,

957
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:08,180
and it's just like, oh, I want to just strangle this.

958
01:04:09,940 --> 01:04:13,059
But there is points of realism in the film too, because there.

959
01:04:13,559 --> 01:04:17,300
There's. There's the point where he's talking to, I guess,

960
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:20,380
like a. Some kind of manager in training or like some kind of person in

961
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:24,160
training. And the guy literally makes him.

962
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:27,200
He literally makes the guy whip his balls out of the desk.

963
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:30,160
Oh, Jesus. And you know what? It's.

964
01:04:30,660 --> 01:04:34,720
It's. It's that moment in the toy where, you know,

965
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:41,400
us. Bates makes. Makes Ned

966
01:04:41,900 --> 01:04:45,280
Beatty Pulls Pants down just to

967
01:04:45,780 --> 01:04:49,180
prove to you, yeah, this, this, this. This is the corporate world and

968
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:52,340
this is the way it works. You're gonna be that guy that's willing to do

969
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:55,580
things, you know, in a hard,

970
01:04:55,660 --> 01:04:59,140
sick way. That guy was teaching

971
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:03,580
the other guy how it works. And, you know, yeah, it's. It's a sick reality,

972
01:05:03,900 --> 01:05:07,660
but it's reality nonetheless, whether it's metaphorically or physically.

973
01:05:07,900 --> 01:05:11,180
Yeah, you know? Well, it was this time,

974
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:14,480
watching it, that after that ball scene happens, I'm like,

975
01:05:15,110 --> 01:05:17,910
that guy was just sexually assaulted.

976
01:05:18,070 --> 01:05:21,670
Like, what he had, you know, like, I didn't have

977
01:05:22,170 --> 01:05:25,990
words for it. Like, now I look at him like, oh, God, that's, that was

978
01:05:26,390 --> 01:05:30,270
like a, almost a rape, the way that he was like, yeah, show me your

979
01:05:30,770 --> 01:05:34,630
balls. And then how fucking long does that

980
01:05:35,130 --> 01:05:38,950
shot go on? And you're just looking at Eckhart looking at these,

981
01:05:39,110 --> 01:05:42,470
this guy's balls. And I'm like, I can't believe we're doing this

982
01:05:42,970 --> 01:05:46,810
shot right now. And it just holds for so long. And I'm like,

983
01:05:47,210 --> 01:05:51,090
wow, what a tour de force this is. And just how awful

984
01:05:51,590 --> 01:05:55,170
and uncomfortable I feel the entire time. Like, you know,

985
01:05:55,670 --> 01:05:59,570
I, I, I can't say that I liked the film Uncut Gems,

986
01:06:00,070 --> 01:06:03,730
but like Uncut Gems, the way they shot that gave me a physical

987
01:06:04,230 --> 01:06:07,970
reaction where I just was so upset and uptight the whole

988
01:06:08,470 --> 01:06:11,600
time. This movie In the Company of Men also just,

989
01:06:11,670 --> 01:06:14,630
just gives me like a visceral reaction to it.

990
01:06:15,830 --> 01:06:19,790
Yeah, there is, there is a lot of tensity tense.

991
01:06:20,290 --> 01:06:23,310
Is that a word? And intense stuff like that in this as well.

992
01:06:23,810 --> 01:06:26,990
And I get the uncut gems thing there, there's parts in that film where

993
01:06:27,490 --> 01:06:30,870
you just feel uncomfortable. And I think it's the way the softies did it and

994
01:06:31,270 --> 01:06:34,910
you know, the, with the everything, everything about it, the way it's shot,

995
01:06:35,410 --> 01:06:38,710
you know, and yeah, this thing, you are right.

996
01:06:39,210 --> 01:06:42,450
He was, he was sexually assaulted. But, but at

997
01:06:42,950 --> 01:06:45,810
the same time, you know, I'm not, I'm not behind closed doors. We live at

998
01:06:46,310 --> 01:06:49,930
a time where we're, Matt Lauer was, was a

999
01:06:50,430 --> 01:06:53,930
prestigious, you know, person of the media community and then

1000
01:06:54,430 --> 01:06:57,290
you find out, you know, that he had a rape button in his office that

1001
01:06:57,610 --> 01:07:01,090
would close the door and, you know, you would never guess that, you know,

1002
01:07:01,590 --> 01:07:05,130
behind. I, I hate to use rebind closed doors. This, this man was this

1003
01:07:05,630 --> 01:07:09,420
big of a shit pig. But I'm sure it's, I'm sure a lot

1004
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:13,060
of this is very true in the corporate world. Not, you know,

1005
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:17,060
metaphorically putting your, I mean, not physically putting your balls on the table,

1006
01:07:17,540 --> 01:07:19,860
but, you know. Yeah.

1007
01:07:20,260 --> 01:07:23,780
Weird stuff like this, you know. Yeah. The denigration,

1008
01:07:23,940 --> 01:07:27,380
the bullying, you know, this is bullying of these people.

1009
01:07:29,220 --> 01:07:32,260
And I'm one of the biggest ones to say, you know, because I, I've been

1010
01:07:32,820 --> 01:07:35,540
you. I'm sure you've been heavy all your life. I've been heavy all my life.

1011
01:07:36,100 --> 01:07:39,540
We grow thicker skins about certain things. I would love

1012
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:43,820
to see people. Hey. Grow a thicker skin about certain

1013
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:48,020
things because, you know, you can't, you can't throw hands at everything, you know,

1014
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:51,420
because if it's real thin, you're going to get mad about a lot of Things.

1015
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:55,220
But, you know, this. I think a thicker skin

1016
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:59,510
in this world is necessary. And again,

1017
01:08:00,010 --> 01:08:03,590
the vulture aspect of it to him seeing her and him

1018
01:08:04,090 --> 01:08:08,110
and whoever else, really. Because you only really got that one interaction

1019
01:08:08,610 --> 01:08:12,550
with. With that. With, you know, the young. The young budding

1020
01:08:13,050 --> 01:08:16,350
executive who's willing to do anything because, you know, the next

1021
01:08:16,850 --> 01:08:20,270
guy might ask him to do something else entirely worse than that. Right. You know,

1022
01:08:20,350 --> 01:08:23,710
and I think that was. The sabotaging of

1023
01:08:24,210 --> 01:08:26,990
Malloy's character. Oh, yeah, the print was way too late. Like,

1024
01:08:27,490 --> 01:08:31,090
those things. Like, oh, man, that's when you're like,

1025
01:08:31,590 --> 01:08:34,650
oh, he's really doing all of this other stuff too.

1026
01:08:34,810 --> 01:08:38,570
And when you look at a movie like this, it's like, okay, we've seen this

1027
01:08:39,070 --> 01:08:42,850
story too many times now. Like, I'm trying to remember if it's

1028
01:08:43,350 --> 01:08:45,930
like, 10 things I hate about you or one of those movies where it's like,

1029
01:08:46,410 --> 01:08:49,690
yeah, we made a bet. You know, you were

1030
01:08:50,190 --> 01:08:54,090
part of a bet. Innocent girl. And then,

1031
01:08:54,590 --> 01:08:57,890
like, at the end, it always all works out where,

1032
01:08:58,390 --> 01:09:01,290
like, the girl that was the bet goes with the guy that was betting on

1033
01:09:01,790 --> 01:09:05,189
her or whatever. And it's like, all right, now they're happily ever after. And this

1034
01:09:05,689 --> 01:09:08,709
just takes it and flips it right on its ear. And you're like, oh,

1035
01:09:09,209 --> 01:09:12,149
yeah. No, this is much more of how it would have really gone if someone

1036
01:09:12,649 --> 01:09:16,029
was a bet with someone else. And it's fine,

1037
01:09:16,529 --> 01:09:19,749
you know, because in those movies, you know, they had. They. They find common ground

1038
01:09:20,229 --> 01:09:23,469
and they find love there. So when they get together and Heath Ledger gets together

1039
01:09:23,969 --> 01:09:27,069
with Julia Stiles at the end of that movie, you're like, yeah, you're kind

1040
01:09:27,569 --> 01:09:31,179
of for this, but the process getting there is like, yeah, it's kind of

1041
01:09:31,339 --> 01:09:34,539
up, but in this one, yeah, it's fucked up.

1042
01:09:34,939 --> 01:09:38,219
And then it gets more up. And then you get the end. You get

1043
01:09:38,719 --> 01:09:41,819
it. When I got to the end, I. I don't want you guys to watch

1044
01:09:42,319 --> 01:09:45,979
this movie, listeners. Because it's that way. It's good. When you

1045
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:49,179
get to the end, the girl in question, the deaf girl,

1046
01:09:49,659 --> 01:09:53,179
is still with Aaron Eckhart at the end of this movie, where even after

1047
01:09:53,679 --> 01:09:56,700
she finds out everything. So, yeah,

1048
01:09:57,500 --> 01:09:59,900
so when I say lady doormat,

1049
01:10:00,940 --> 01:10:04,620
she. She is the doormat in this movie. And it

1050
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:08,940
makes me sad. You get to the end of this movie, you know.

1051
01:10:10,619 --> 01:10:13,420
Oh, yeah. It is really something. And,

1052
01:10:13,580 --> 01:10:17,500
yeah, that. That end shot with him

1053
01:10:18,460 --> 01:10:21,590
screaming at her, and then

1054
01:10:22,090 --> 01:10:26,710
we get her POV of this madman with

1055
01:10:27,210 --> 01:10:30,710
his mouth just open and, like, those mute screams. And I'M like,

1056
01:10:31,210 --> 01:10:34,150
oh, to make him mute at the end of this.

1057
01:10:34,550 --> 01:10:37,990
To continue to take away all of his power and

1058
01:10:38,490 --> 01:10:38,790
all of his.

1059
01:10:42,390 --> 01:10:44,150
Oh, geez, what's the word I'm looking for?

1060
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:49,040
His. His station in life is just like, wow,

1061
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:54,240
that talk about being humiliated completely.

1062
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:58,040
But yet at the same time, I still think that he is seen

1063
01:10:58,540 --> 01:11:01,999
as being in a better station than she is just because he's a man.

1064
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:06,880
Well, that and, you know, his. His status and.

1065
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:11,850
But at the same time, you kind of wish for. After she

1066
01:11:12,350 --> 01:11:16,170
views him screaming in her face unaudibly, that she'd

1067
01:11:16,670 --> 01:11:19,530
push his ass off the balcony. You want that? But, you know,

1068
01:11:19,850 --> 01:11:23,610
you. You don't get that because she's. That. No,

1069
01:11:23,850 --> 01:11:27,409
she's that complacent to where she knows she's been

1070
01:11:27,909 --> 01:11:31,450
abused. She knows she's been victimized. She's continued to being.

1071
01:11:31,610 --> 01:11:35,090
Being victimized by, you know, her. Him screaming at

1072
01:11:35,590 --> 01:11:39,530
her, although she can. She can relax, but she can't hear that

1073
01:11:40,030 --> 01:11:43,730
she's willing to stay with this utter piece of

1074
01:11:44,230 --> 01:11:46,010
human garbage, you know?

1075
01:11:48,170 --> 01:11:51,570
Yeah. And she. Does she know she's

1076
01:11:52,070 --> 01:11:55,210
the side chick? I kind of think she does. Yeah.

1077
01:11:55,710 --> 01:12:00,570
Yeah. I mean, and she's still okay with it. And this.

1078
01:12:01,070 --> 01:12:04,810
This, unfortunately, I. I watched. I watched the army hammer thing,

1079
01:12:05,310 --> 01:12:09,390
okay. It blew my mind, The. The testimonies

1080
01:12:09,890 --> 01:12:13,310
of these women talking about, oh, he. He abused me

1081
01:12:13,810 --> 01:12:16,350
and, you know, he tied me up without my permission.

1082
01:12:16,830 --> 01:12:20,790
But at the same time, your ass came back. So do

1083
01:12:21,290 --> 01:12:25,430
I really feel pity for you that you came back to all this after complaining

1084
01:12:25,930 --> 01:12:29,030
about all of these things? And why'd you come back? Because he took you to

1085
01:12:29,530 --> 01:12:33,830
fancy dinners. He took you on fancy boats, and you have no backbone,

1086
01:12:34,330 --> 01:12:37,430
apparently, to say, I. I don't need this in my life.

1087
01:12:37,670 --> 01:12:40,470
So apparently this woman was at this point to say,

1088
01:12:40,870 --> 01:12:43,710
I don't need to. I. I need this in my life. So I'm just.

1089
01:12:44,210 --> 01:12:47,430
I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna stick it out, apparently. Right. You know? Right.

1090
01:12:48,390 --> 01:12:52,310
Again, it makes me sad for. For the female race

1091
01:12:52,870 --> 01:12:56,030
of women that I know exist like this, you know,

1092
01:12:56,530 --> 01:12:59,790
that they. They can hear. Whether they can hear or not, you know, it just.

1093
01:13:00,350 --> 01:13:04,030
It makes me sad. Well, men and women, because, you know, yeah, I've known

1094
01:13:04,530 --> 01:13:08,150
some. Some. Some. Some gay couples that have been in

1095
01:13:08,650 --> 01:13:12,670
physically abusive relationships just kept on staying because, you know,

1096
01:13:13,390 --> 01:13:17,230
took. It. Took them to parties and stuff. You know, like,

1097
01:13:17,730 --> 01:13:20,830
you get codependent on the other person and yeah, you just get,

1098
01:13:21,470 --> 01:13:24,670
you know, convince yourself that you deserve it, which is awful.

1099
01:13:25,170 --> 01:13:28,830
It's an awful feeling to, to think like, oh, I deserve to be miserable.

1100
01:13:29,330 --> 01:13:32,710
So that's why I'm staying here. And now, granted, I'm not. I'm not the ace

1101
01:13:33,210 --> 01:13:36,910
of relationship advice. I can't say that, hey, I've been in those situations,

1102
01:13:37,410 --> 01:13:41,910
because I haven't. But I know, I know how my human brain works. And if

1103
01:13:42,410 --> 01:13:45,590
that was me in that situation, like, no, I, I couldn't do it, you know?

1104
01:13:46,870 --> 01:13:50,430
Oh, my gosh, Mike, you. You've brought

1105
01:13:50,930 --> 01:13:52,150
it on us, man. That's fine. But.

1106
01:13:56,310 --> 01:13:59,910
Not a couple of feel good movies this

1107
01:14:00,410 --> 01:14:03,610
time. That's okay. It's. It' good discussion and that's all I care

1108
01:14:04,110 --> 01:14:07,530
about, you know. Any final thoughts about in

1109
01:14:08,030 --> 01:14:11,170
the Company of Men? Oh, man, it's.

1110
01:14:12,130 --> 01:14:16,130
It's not a surprise that labute

1111
01:14:16,630 --> 01:14:20,250
and Eckart, to varying extents, have had big careers

1112
01:14:20,750 --> 01:14:23,890
after this because, yeah, you just see how they handle

1113
01:14:24,290 --> 01:14:27,490
this material, and it is, it's really a master class.

1114
01:14:27,990 --> 01:14:31,190
You know, I talked about how the Men's club was such

1115
01:14:31,690 --> 01:14:35,030
a. You know, here's all these monologues and just these actors must have been,

1116
01:14:35,530 --> 01:14:37,670
you know, oh, yeah, I want to be in this movie so I can do

1117
01:14:38,170 --> 01:14:41,750
all these monologues. This is going to be great. Yeah, there are monologues

1118
01:14:42,250 --> 01:14:45,670
in. In the Company of Men, but it just, it feels much more

1119
01:14:46,170 --> 01:14:50,270
like you're watching performances. You know, we had all those freaking monologues

1120
01:14:50,770 --> 01:14:54,950
in the first movie, but this one, you feel like you get very cohesive performances

1121
01:14:55,450 --> 01:14:58,930
and really get understandings of these characters, even if

1122
01:14:59,430 --> 01:15:02,850
they're keeping you at arm's distance. Sometimes you really feel like you get

1123
01:15:03,350 --> 01:15:07,890
to know who these men are and just how they operate

1124
01:15:08,390 --> 01:15:10,730
and that there are probably so many of them in the world.

1125
01:15:12,490 --> 01:15:15,570
This is true. I mean, this, this, this,

1126
01:15:16,070 --> 01:15:19,810
this again. And you're down to two to two men in this film.

1127
01:15:20,310 --> 01:15:23,810
So I think it's a more concentrated effort to say that this is how

1128
01:15:24,310 --> 01:15:28,210
this guy works, is how this guy works. And you know, right from jump.

1129
01:15:28,710 --> 01:15:31,930
And it's a real, it's real testament to Aaron Eckhart's performance, like you said.

1130
01:15:32,330 --> 01:15:35,890
Yeah. As bad as he is, he's. He's really, he's really amazing

1131
01:15:36,390 --> 01:15:40,010
in this movie. This is playing this nasty man,

1132
01:15:40,650 --> 01:15:44,290
you know, who's manipulative. And I

1133
01:15:44,790 --> 01:15:47,970
wouldn't even call him crazy because he's fully aware of what he's doing that the

1134
01:15:48,470 --> 01:15:52,140
whole time he, he holds. There's, there's not a point in this movie where he

1135
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:54,340
does not hold all the cards.

1136
01:15:56,340 --> 01:15:59,780
I I know everything's gonna gone. I know how this is gonna play out.

1137
01:16:00,180 --> 01:16:03,380
You know, I'm gonna be with women. I'm gonna get with this girl,

1138
01:16:03,620 --> 01:16:07,060
and. And you know what? I'm gonna. This girl, that girl, and that girl on

1139
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:10,420
the side, and she's not gonna say nothing about it, you know,

1140
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:13,780
so I'm not there for the. The character,

1141
01:16:13,860 --> 01:16:17,380
you know, because to say, hey, this is something I'm gonna look up to.

1142
01:16:17,620 --> 01:16:21,300
But as far as, like, playing this. This manipulative,

1143
01:16:22,100 --> 01:16:25,660
manipulative douchebag Eckhart is

1144
01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:29,740
tops, man. So I said,

1145
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:33,260
don't watch this movie, because we gave away the ending, obviously. But you know what?

1146
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:37,860
If you want to watch, you know, this. This type of guy and somebody

1147
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:42,070
who's really great at being this type of guy, and in an acting

1148
01:16:42,570 --> 01:16:45,790
sense, it just. He kills it. He kills it.

1149
01:16:46,030 --> 01:16:49,470
Every sense of the word. So again,

1150
01:16:49,710 --> 01:16:53,350
light recommend for me and you can watch this on prime

1151
01:16:53,850 --> 01:16:56,830
too, if. If you so choose to, because I think I look for a physical

1152
01:16:57,330 --> 01:17:00,830
release, and it was. It was. It was hard to

1153
01:17:01,330 --> 01:17:04,670
find. I couldn't find a physical releases, which. It's made by Sony.

1154
01:17:04,990 --> 01:17:08,490
Yeah, so. And this was still during that. That golden

1155
01:17:08,990 --> 01:17:12,450
period of indie films in the. In the 90s. Like, this is only three years

1156
01:17:12,950 --> 01:17:16,570
north of Pulp Fiction. So this was still very much in that wave of

1157
01:17:17,070 --> 01:17:21,130
films, and a lot of those are difficult to find on physical

1158
01:17:21,630 --> 01:17:25,290
media. So, yeah, I'd say go check it out. And.

1159
01:17:26,330 --> 01:17:29,490
And, yeah, that's about the

1160
01:17:29,990 --> 01:17:33,050
end of this one. We'll come back and close out the show.

1161
01:17:35,860 --> 01:17:39,460
Harvey, want anything special for your birthday? Just a decent

1162
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:43,580
cup of coffee. You're kidding. I'm serious, honey. Your coffee's

1163
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:47,460
undrinkable. It's pretty harsh. Well, so's your coffee.

1164
01:17:48,020 --> 01:17:51,220
You know, the girls down at the. Office make better coffee on their hot plates.

1165
01:17:52,260 --> 01:17:55,820
Well, see you later. And he didn't

1166
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:59,940
even kiss me goodbye. You know, if I could just make a decent cup of

1167
01:18:00,440 --> 01:18:03,890
coffee, I could relax. So relax. Why don't you try Instant

1168
01:18:04,390 --> 01:18:07,370
Folgers? Tastes good as fresh perked. Good as fresh perk.

1169
01:18:08,170 --> 01:18:10,570
I'll surprise Harvey for his birthday tonight.

1170
01:18:12,090 --> 01:18:15,650
Hey, great coffee. It's Instant Folgers.

1171
01:18:16,150 --> 01:18:19,530
Doesn't it taste good as fresh perked? Better. Better than those girls make

1172
01:18:20,030 --> 01:18:23,530
at the office. Honey, their coffee

1173
01:18:24,030 --> 01:18:28,380
can't hold a candle to yours. Instant Folgers

1174
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:31,140
taste good as fresh perked. Try it.

1175
01:18:32,340 --> 01:18:36,340
All right, Mike, thanks for coming on again. I really appreciate

1176
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:40,140
you taking the time. Like I said before, and, you know, you've been a friend

1177
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:43,139
Since I started this goddamn thing, I always contribute,

1178
01:18:43,860 --> 01:18:47,140
you know, my podcasting psyche.

1179
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:50,420
Although your work ethic is exponentially better than mine.

1180
01:18:51,060 --> 01:18:53,950
To two mics, you and Mike Murphy,

1181
01:18:54,110 --> 01:18:59,270
formerly of the Badass Boobs and body counts podcast, and to literally,

1182
01:18:59,770 --> 01:19:03,470
literally, you know, give me the hand. You literally gave me the handbook on podcasting.

1183
01:19:06,270 --> 01:19:09,790
You literally gave me the handbook on podcasting. I still

1184
01:19:10,290 --> 01:19:13,590
have the. The PDF file that I intend

1185
01:19:14,090 --> 01:19:17,510
to give to a friend, actually, who. Who's thinking about getting

1186
01:19:18,010 --> 01:19:20,520
into the game. And I was like, well, well, if I could find the file,

1187
01:19:21,020 --> 01:19:24,920
I'm going to give it to you, or I'll ask Mike for it. And it

1188
01:19:25,420 --> 01:19:29,120
does have a lot of helpful things in there. I should probably think about updating

1189
01:19:29,620 --> 01:19:32,480
it. I mean, it's probably so out of date. I mean, I still talk about

1190
01:19:32,980 --> 01:19:36,560
Skype in there, and unfortunately, that's about to go the way of the dodo.

1191
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:39,600
Well, I looked at it recently, and it's still.

1192
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:42,640
It's kind of like Lloyd Kaufman's book.

1193
01:19:45,450 --> 01:19:48,570
Everything I learned about the film, I learned from Toxic Avenger.

1194
01:19:48,890 --> 01:19:52,250
Right? Yeah. A lot of useful stuff with that book. And of

1195
01:19:52,750 --> 01:19:56,330
course, his make your own movie documentary series is his video

1196
01:19:56,830 --> 01:20:00,409
series. I take it as like that. To where a

1197
01:20:00,909 --> 01:20:04,010
lot of stuff may be outdated, but a lot. I'd say 90% of

1198
01:20:04,510 --> 01:20:06,490
it is still very useful to a podcaster.

1199
01:20:07,610 --> 01:20:10,930
Good. If you're friends with Mike and you want to reach out to Mike,

1200
01:20:11,430 --> 01:20:14,010
I'm sure, sure. I'm sure Mike will help you out there and, you know,

1201
01:20:14,730 --> 01:20:19,290
set you on the right path. And I. I always appreciate you putting

1202
01:20:19,790 --> 01:20:22,930
me on the right path, if that means anything to you. Oh, it definitely does.

1203
01:20:23,430 --> 01:20:26,490
Yeah. No, I. I really respect what you do, so I'm really.

1204
01:20:26,990 --> 01:20:28,810
It's making me feel all warm and fuzzy.

1205
01:20:30,730 --> 01:20:33,930
But, Mike, you got lots of going. Lots of stuff going on. I. I know

1206
01:20:34,430 --> 01:20:38,130
there's. There's a. Lots of theme podcasts

1207
01:20:38,630 --> 01:20:41,810
on there, so if you want to lay it all out for us, if you

1208
01:20:42,310 --> 01:20:45,890
want to. If you want to, go for it, man. All right,

1209
01:20:46,390 --> 01:20:49,970
let's see if I can remember everything here. So we just wrapped up the

1210
01:20:50,450 --> 01:20:54,130
Life of Times of Captain Barney Miller podcast, where we talked about Barney

1211
01:20:54,630 --> 01:20:57,410
Miller three episodes of that per episode of our show.

1212
01:20:58,690 --> 01:21:02,130
We are still doing the Shabby Detective, which is yet another

1213
01:21:02,290 --> 01:21:06,010
Columbo podcast, and we're still

1214
01:21:06,510 --> 01:21:09,980
doing Midnight Viewing, which is our horror anthology. We have

1215
01:21:10,480 --> 01:21:14,140
moved on from Twilight Zone and went over.

1216
01:21:14,460 --> 01:21:18,260
We did some Night Gallery. Now we're doing Tales of the

1217
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:23,100
Dark side, and it's Fantastic. I've really been enjoying going back to Darkseid.

1218
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:26,820
It's been great. And then, yeah, I think there's

1219
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:30,940
a few others out there. And yeah, the Chasing Chevy Chase podcast,

1220
01:21:31,440 --> 01:21:34,620
which is one where we talk about a different Chevy Chase movie every month.

1221
01:21:34,780 --> 01:21:38,620
And then my usual haunt is the projection booth, which is available

1222
01:21:38,940 --> 01:21:42,840
like all those other shows atweeding way media.com and

1223
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:45,560
yeah. Hopefully find something that you enjoy.

1224
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:50,280
There's a lot there. I never asked

1225
01:21:50,780 --> 01:21:54,280
about this, but didn't you. And, like, a bunch of other guys were going

1226
01:21:54,780 --> 01:21:58,360
to do commentaries for the Columbo Blu Ray set or something?

1227
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:02,440
You know, I. They went away. The commentaries or something.

1228
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:06,600
Yeah, the commentaries did go away. I was not involved

1229
01:22:07,100 --> 01:22:10,740
in that. I was supposed to do commentary for the second set because I

1230
01:22:11,290 --> 01:22:13,610
missed the boat on the first set, I think.

1231
01:22:14,250 --> 01:22:17,650
I don't remember if I got. I don't think I got asked to

1232
01:22:18,150 --> 01:22:20,730
do it, but some friends of mine were like, oh, you should ask Mike White.

1233
01:22:21,230 --> 01:22:24,970
He knows a lot about this. I helped out all the people that were doing

1234
01:22:25,470 --> 01:22:29,090
the. Oh, no, that was the Kolchak commentaries that

1235
01:22:29,590 --> 01:22:33,450
did happen and that I gave out all the scripts for with the Columbo stuff.

1236
01:22:33,610 --> 01:22:36,960
No, I was supposed to be in the second set, but the first set

1237
01:22:37,430 --> 01:22:40,790
got released and without the commentary, something happened,

1238
01:22:41,290 --> 01:22:44,830
I think with Universal, where they're like, no, no, you can't put commentaries on

1239
01:22:45,330 --> 01:22:48,430
these discs. Wow. Okay. Yeah,

1240
01:22:48,930 --> 01:22:51,590
sorry. That was a very roundabout answer, Gary. No, no, no.

1241
01:22:53,029 --> 01:22:56,710
I thought. I. For some reason. I thought you were involved for

1242
01:22:57,210 --> 01:23:00,990
some reason. Yeah, I would have if that first set kept their

1243
01:23:01,490 --> 01:23:04,510
commentaries. That probably would have been on the second set, which was like the ABC

1244
01:23:05,010 --> 01:23:08,210
years. I gotcha. Yeah. I don't know which episode they would

1245
01:23:08,710 --> 01:23:11,530
have given me, but I think it probably would have just been one episode.

1246
01:23:12,090 --> 01:23:16,130
But I can tell you that Mike has a commentary on

1247
01:23:16,630 --> 01:23:19,690
the brand new Demolition man disc, right, for forever. Yes.

1248
01:23:19,850 --> 01:23:23,410
Yeah, Very happy with that one. So if you guys haven't bought

1249
01:23:23,910 --> 01:23:27,770
that that's out there for mass consumption right now, and I suggest

1250
01:23:27,850 --> 01:23:31,210
you go grab that and maybe have some Taco

1251
01:23:31,710 --> 01:23:34,090
Bell and. Or Pizza Hut, depending on what region you're in, and go.

1252
01:23:35,500 --> 01:23:39,380
Go enjoy that. That commentary that's on that massive

1253
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:43,740
Arrow release that's out there right now. Yeah. It's a beautiful box, isn't it?

1254
01:23:44,220 --> 01:23:48,060
Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Same thing

1255
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:51,980
to hear from me. I have an episode recorded,

1256
01:23:52,480 --> 01:23:55,700
but I was like two days old yesterday when I realized

1257
01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:59,740
I never released the last episode of Last Call of Torches, our Walter

1258
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:03,920
Hill podcast. So you will hear the Undisputed episode

1259
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:09,920
when that comes out sometime next week. And you will hear the.

1260
01:24:10,420 --> 01:24:13,960
The bonus for Undisputed, which was a

1261
01:24:14,460 --> 01:24:18,240
Charlie Band production. Arena, we did reviewed arena

1262
01:24:18,480 --> 01:24:21,520
for, for the bonus episode on the Legion Patreon.

1263
01:24:22,020 --> 01:24:25,760
Please support the Legion Patreon. You know, hosting fees,

1264
01:24:26,410 --> 01:24:28,330
all that stuff, it all goes to a good place.

1265
01:24:30,890 --> 01:24:34,450
Besides that, this next next show that comes up that you should hear and

1266
01:24:34,950 --> 01:24:38,570
I, I hate announcing things because stuff always happens and it comes

1267
01:24:39,070 --> 01:24:42,249
in. But the next one that you should hear is a brand new in the

1268
01:24:42,749 --> 01:24:46,330
Parade Way episode with John Cross where we

1269
01:24:46,570 --> 01:24:49,850
discuss the Parade jam with him.

1270
01:24:50,410 --> 01:24:54,260
Robert Dobby. And the

1271
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:58,140
guy's name I cannot pronounce, but he played Shang Tsung in the, in the

1272
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:02,500
Mortal Kombat film and carry

1273
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:06,700
something. Yeah, I, yeah, I, I wouldn't try that on a

1274
01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:10,860
bet. Yes. And he's in the film called the. During the film called the Dangerous.

1275
01:25:11,500 --> 01:25:14,620
And this deserves a good release.

1276
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:18,260
Again, another one of those films. There's a good release like a. Deserves a vinegar

1277
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:22,620
syndrome treatment, in my opinion. But we're pairing that with our

1278
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:27,180
VHS pick again, going back to Charlie Band again, doing Zone

1279
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:30,980
Troopers. Oh, nice. I, I described

1280
01:25:31,480 --> 01:25:33,820
today as the, the most fun you'll have with the World War II film ever,

1281
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:37,540
in my opinion, because I watch it today. And don't let

1282
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:41,340
that cover art fool you with the fuzzy dude saying he wants you,

1283
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:45,940
because it's just, it's just this wacky tale with the three

1284
01:25:46,440 --> 01:25:49,260
of the guys from Transfers and Timothy Van Patten and,

1285
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:53,260
and going behind enemy lines in Italy in

1286
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:57,060
World War II and they come across alien technology and,

1287
01:25:57,300 --> 01:26:00,980
you know, chaos ensues and lots of Nazis

1288
01:26:01,480 --> 01:26:04,899
get blasted. And that's always a good thing, right? Nazis get

1289
01:26:05,399 --> 01:26:08,540
blasted by Ray Gun. Oh, yeah, we can still say that. We are

1290
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:12,180
still allowed to say that. But yeah,

1291
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:15,140
that's coming up. It's always a good time with John Cross and.

1292
01:26:16,660 --> 01:26:20,060
But this is ral on this one. This has been your

1293
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:23,940
Cinema Beef podcast, where if you've got beef, I've got the grinder.

1294
01:26:24,500 --> 01:26:25,460
See you next time.

1295
01:26:36,820 --> 01:26:40,740
How about a nice easy pork

1296
01:26:40,900 --> 01:26:43,860
sandwich. Served in a dirty ashtray?