WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:01.020 --> 00:00:01.380 MB: Yeah. 00:00:01.410 --> 00:00:01.650 Okay. 00:00:01.650 --> 00:00:02.280 We are good. 00:00:02.280 --> 00:00:03.660 We right as rain, now. 00:00:03.810 --> 00:00:05.040 We right as rain, now. 00:00:07.110 --> 00:00:07.410 AK: Yeah. 00:00:08.410 --> 00:00:08.560 Matt B: Is fine. 00:00:08.649 --> 00:00:10.944 How are you on a Friday? 00:00:11.589 --> 00:00:12.459 Alison K: I'm pretty good. 00:00:12.579 --> 00:00:16.886 I'm still riding a high, baskin' in an afterglow, if you will, of a 00:00:16.886 --> 00:00:19.286 really great Castle Birthday Weekend. 00:00:19.286 --> 00:00:22.236 Matt B: Castle Birthday Weekend. 00:00:23.126 --> 00:00:28.464 Alison K: See, I got, home, and just decided I'm not gonna overcompensate 00:00:28.464 --> 00:00:30.894 this week when it comes to work. 00:00:30.954 --> 00:00:33.474 I think that's something that I'm realizing I do. 00:00:34.134 --> 00:00:35.634 Maybe it's ADHD inspired. 00:00:35.634 --> 00:00:38.122 Maybe it's not where it's like, you don't feel like you did enough, so then you 00:00:38.122 --> 00:00:40.732 just like race to do a bunch of stuff. 00:00:41.287 --> 00:00:41.887 Matt B: Yeah. 00:00:42.502 --> 00:00:44.129 Alison K: And I was just like, I'm not, gonna do that. 00:00:44.159 --> 00:00:49.409 I'm just gonna act as if I was at work on Monday and Tuesday and have 00:00:49.409 --> 00:00:50.819 a normal Wednesday through Friday. 00:00:51.254 --> 00:00:51.974 Matt B: Wow. 00:00:52.364 --> 00:00:53.594 I'm envious. 00:00:53.594 --> 00:00:55.324 Cuz I did I did. 00:00:56.324 --> 00:00:57.134 Whoops. 00:00:57.567 --> 00:00:58.617 I didn't get the memo. 00:00:59.022 --> 00:00:59.652 Alison K: I'm sorry. 00:00:59.727 --> 00:01:00.517 Matt B: That's okay. 00:01:01.452 --> 00:01:03.415 Alison K: I was, I, you know what, I was piloting it. 00:01:03.435 --> 00:01:04.643 I was testing it. 00:01:04.703 --> 00:01:08.817 Uh, The concept is still in beta, Matt and, and, uh, I'll let you know. 00:01:10.067 --> 00:01:10.127 For 00:01:10.487 --> 00:01:10.867 Matt B: Yeah. 00:01:11.377 --> 00:01:13.596 No, I appreciate that. 00:01:14.096 --> 00:01:14.756 Oh God. 00:01:15.059 --> 00:01:15.449 Um, 00:01:15.837 --> 00:01:16.707 MB: Hello everyone. 00:01:16.947 --> 00:01:24.139 Welcome to ADHd20, a podcast where talk about ADHD, and D&D. 00:01:24.999 --> 00:01:28.509 Or any other RPG that you're into. 00:01:29.214 --> 00:01:31.394 AK: Or anything else. 00:01:31.899 --> 00:01:32.349 MB: Really? 00:01:32.529 --> 00:01:33.555 Yeah, really. 00:01:33.555 --> 00:01:35.827 We are not, we are not that picky. 00:01:36.457 --> 00:01:37.387 We are not that picky. 00:01:37.491 --> 00:01:39.440 Um, so anyway, Yeah. 00:01:39.630 --> 00:01:42.730 AK: We'll be talking about, uh, PBJ and BBQ. 00:01:42.790 --> 00:01:43.625 No, I'm just kidding. 00:01:43.650 --> 00:01:43.665 no, 00:01:44.075 --> 00:01:47.360 MB: R.E.M., TLC. 00:01:48.700 --> 00:01:49.170 AK: R.E.S.P.E.C.T. 00:01:49.870 --> 00:01:50.160 MB: Yeah. 00:01:53.250 --> 00:01:55.289 we're in a little bit of a different situation. 00:01:55.393 --> 00:02:02.263 I'm in an Airbnb in this amazing place in Damascus, Virginia, close to my Mama. 00:02:03.411 --> 00:02:04.788 It is really wonderful. 00:02:04.788 --> 00:02:06.451 It's a very cool place. 00:02:06.493 --> 00:02:10.571 We, we climbed a mountain today and saw wild ponies and 00:02:10.571 --> 00:02:20.741 rhododendrons, but the internet is really bad, so yeah, that's okay. 00:02:20.781 --> 00:02:21.651 we'll make do. 00:02:21.771 --> 00:02:23.571 And so my mic is a little different. 00:02:23.571 --> 00:02:26.751 If anybody is an audiophile, and like really pissed. 00:02:26.871 --> 00:02:31.101 And like, Matt just doesn't have the vocal clarity that he normally has. 00:02:31.101 --> 00:02:31.581 Then I, 00:02:31.613 --> 00:02:35.003 AK: first of all, if somebody hears this and thinks that, then 00:02:35.603 --> 00:02:38.033 you, 'cause really great ear, you. 00:02:38.213 --> 00:02:38.903 Good job. 00:02:38.970 --> 00:02:43.003 and if you also are in audiophile, you also know that sometimes you're just 00:02:43.003 --> 00:02:48.111 slaves to your equipment, technology, and some things are just out of your hands. 00:02:48.116 --> 00:02:52.551 So patience is appreciated while Matt lives somewhere else for a month. 00:02:52.601 --> 00:02:54.941 MB: I've gotta I've gotta live life. 00:02:54.941 --> 00:02:56.051 I've gotta be free. 00:02:56.906 --> 00:02:57.596 AK: Let him live. 00:02:57.596 --> 00:02:58.106 Let him live. 00:02:58.106 --> 00:02:58.676 Let him work. 00:02:58.706 --> 00:03:00.281 MB: Let me work, Let me live. 00:03:00.491 --> 00:03:00.821 Anyway. 00:03:00.821 --> 00:03:05.261 You were saying that you came away from castle birthday and you kind of treated 00:03:05.261 --> 00:03:08.681 yourself like a human being and I didn't. 00:03:09.236 --> 00:03:11.736 AK: So Matt just had his milestone birthday. 00:03:12.286 --> 00:03:16.241 Mine is on the horizon in two weeks and one day, but who's counting. 00:03:17.191 --> 00:03:22.691 And I've just decided that I don't want the energy surrounding my 40th 00:03:22.696 --> 00:03:25.361 to be full of stress and negativity. 00:03:25.421 --> 00:03:27.321 So I'm done. 00:03:27.661 --> 00:03:31.276 I've finished with that portion, for the foreseeable future. 00:03:31.276 --> 00:03:33.316 So yeah, I just kind of coasted back in. 00:03:33.886 --> 00:03:39.046 If I get down, I just close my eyes and teleport myself back to last weekend. 00:03:40.231 --> 00:03:42.001 Think about all the dumb shit I said. 00:03:42.686 --> 00:03:42.906 MB: Yes. 00:03:43.876 --> 00:03:47.191 AK: While gathered around a table three of my favorite humans. 00:03:47.221 --> 00:03:49.636 MB: The dumbest stuff ever being said. 00:03:50.026 --> 00:03:55.936 And yet every bit of it, gold, audible gold. 00:03:57.008 --> 00:04:00.188 AK: You, dear listener will never hear more of it. 00:04:01.268 --> 00:04:04.238 Because we didn't record a thing while we were there. 00:04:04.513 --> 00:04:07.416 MB: That's not what it, that was not what it was about, but, I think 00:04:07.416 --> 00:04:11.190 that there could be a future Castle Birthday where we do record things. 00:04:11.190 --> 00:04:12.480 Just, I don't know. 00:04:12.480 --> 00:04:17.580 I feel I really, this was your birthday and my birthday and it was 00:04:17.580 --> 00:04:19.744 friends and it was, lot of new things. 00:04:19.819 --> 00:04:23.659 Apparently we all went into the weekend wondering whether we would 00:04:23.929 --> 00:04:29.950 like Dungeons and Dragons after eight or, or each other after three 00:04:29.950 --> 00:04:31.690 nights, four days kind of thing. 00:04:31.810 --> 00:04:32.230 Is that right? 00:04:32.610 --> 00:04:32.940 Ish. 00:04:32.980 --> 00:04:38.444 AK: I did not wonder the, especially the, the D&D I, I know that others, 00:04:38.458 --> 00:04:40.398 vocalized that, but I was not worried. 00:04:40.413 --> 00:04:42.153 MB: Good, good. 00:04:42.174 --> 00:04:42.474 I'm not. 00:04:42.479 --> 00:04:42.804 Yeah. 00:04:42.834 --> 00:04:43.224 Good. 00:04:43.229 --> 00:04:43.536 Well, 00:04:43.547 --> 00:04:45.292 AK: Not to be a contrarian, but here we are. 00:04:45.322 --> 00:04:46.842 MB: No, it was just so new. 00:04:47.022 --> 00:04:51.676 I have not played in a room with a group of people since I was 00:04:51.676 --> 00:04:56.229 little and you had never, right? 00:04:56.229 --> 00:05:00.910 Um, and it was just a time of firsts and we, so we roll up on this place... 00:05:00.910 --> 00:05:04.214 AK: Can we like let's rewind because we've been talking about 00:05:04.214 --> 00:05:04.344 MB: Yeah. 00:05:04.344 --> 00:05:08.155 AK: Castle Birthday for so long, that I forget there's people that are like, 00:05:08.155 --> 00:05:09.565 you did what, who when when, why? 00:05:09.805 --> 00:05:17.138 So last fall, Evan comes to me and says, Matt's next birthday is a big one. 00:05:17.888 --> 00:05:19.728 I think we should do something. 00:05:19.780 --> 00:05:22.990 I don't think he used the word epic, but whatever Biv's version 00:05:22.995 --> 00:05:24.250 of the word epic would be. 00:05:24.850 --> 00:05:26.680 And not one... 00:05:26.920 --> 00:05:28.120 Yeah, super sweet. 00:05:28.155 --> 00:05:31.118 and not one to ever be left out of anything. 00:05:31.118 --> 00:05:34.859 I was like, like three and a half weeks after Matt's milestone comes my own. 00:05:34.919 --> 00:05:35.819 Can I get in on that? 00:05:36.659 --> 00:05:39.449 You got some of that sweet sick action for me too. 00:05:39.454 --> 00:05:40.739 And he was like, okay, well, done. 00:05:40.744 --> 00:05:44.452 Now, if two of us are having big bads, let's do this up right. 00:05:44.762 --> 00:05:49.232 So I think it was actually Lindsay, your wife, who first had the idea of let's 00:05:49.232 --> 00:05:52.352 go somewhere, nerdy, corny, and awesome. 00:05:52.352 --> 00:05:54.722 And your first offering was a Hobbit hole. 00:05:54.802 --> 00:05:55.442 MB: Mmm-hmm 00:05:55.922 --> 00:05:57.332 AK: And from there. 00:05:57.332 --> 00:05:58.897 MB: Which does look great by the way. 00:05:58.897 --> 00:05:59.517 AK: It does look great. 00:05:59.537 --> 00:06:01.191 And it's still like it's on our mood board. 00:06:01.191 --> 00:06:02.541 It's not going anywhere. 00:06:02.984 --> 00:06:11.174 It is surprisingly easy to find themed stays on Airbnb and V R B O 00:06:11.174 --> 00:06:13.664 or VRBO or whatever we call it now. 00:06:14.714 --> 00:06:18.434 And so we just ended up finding this castle in Knoxville, Tennessee. 00:06:18.914 --> 00:06:22.604 That looked the right kind of spoopy and eccentric. 00:06:22.604 --> 00:06:24.734 Sorry, I know you hate it when I say spoopy, but whatever. 00:06:25.445 --> 00:06:27.765 Um, and it... 00:06:28.695 --> 00:06:29.115 thank you. 00:06:30.515 --> 00:06:35.384 And so we booked it with the thought that we would just come together. 00:06:35.637 --> 00:06:40.857 Matt, myself, Evan, and Fitz, and just play Dungeons and Dragons for four 00:06:40.857 --> 00:06:42.837 straight days and not do anything else. 00:06:43.947 --> 00:06:44.337 That's it. 00:06:44.577 --> 00:06:45.537 That's the whole tweet. 00:06:47.197 --> 00:06:47.198 MB: Yeah. 00:06:47.414 --> 00:06:47.474 Yeah. 00:06:47.474 --> 00:06:47.749 in a themed home. 00:06:47.749 --> 00:06:47.750 And. 00:06:47.788 --> 00:06:50.582 yes, there, like you said, that many options and this one just kind 00:06:50.582 --> 00:06:52.922 of fit the bill for many reasons. 00:06:53.162 --> 00:06:58.812 And there isn't a lot of documentation on this place, by the owners either. 00:06:58.812 --> 00:07:01.486 And, it's in Knoxville, Tennessee. 00:07:01.606 --> 00:07:04.996 So you, once you arrive, you kind of, you realize what's happening. 00:07:05.026 --> 00:07:05.916 It is a home. 00:07:05.983 --> 00:07:11.263 I still don't know what type of home it is, but it was a home that 00:07:11.563 --> 00:07:23.193 they then built on castle elements like turrets and watch towers and 00:07:23.313 --> 00:07:26.219 dungeons and, uh, hidden bedrooms. 00:07:28.527 --> 00:07:29.037 Knocked it out of the park. 00:07:29.202 --> 00:07:35.112 Through bookcases and all kinds of just every single inch of the 00:07:35.112 --> 00:07:40.542 place was covered in stuff that I think the owner had begged, 00:07:40.547 --> 00:07:46.362 borrowed stolen, bought to decorate to give this place a castle theme. 00:07:46.367 --> 00:07:52.792 And boy, she did a bang up job, knocked it out and it's in Knoxville. 00:07:52.792 --> 00:07:54.047 You, it's in a remote. 00:07:54.692 --> 00:07:57.851 I don't even know how remote it is, but it's, you know, it's 00:07:57.851 --> 00:08:01.407 Knoxville, Tennessee, it's just this little treasure up on a hill. 00:08:01.424 --> 00:08:03.494 that, that kind of looks like a castle. 00:08:03.514 --> 00:08:06.916 and specifically with a Scottish theme, which I also, you know, 00:08:06.921 --> 00:08:10.636 approved of because I'm a MacNab 00:08:11.796 --> 00:08:12.696 AK: MacNab. 00:08:13.066 --> 00:08:15.052 MB: And, yeah, it couldn't have been better. 00:08:15.922 --> 00:08:20.377 One thing that was amazing, there was little to no light in most of the 00:08:20.382 --> 00:08:24.097 house, even in bright shining day. 00:08:24.097 --> 00:08:28.502 So the bedroom has plenty of light, and then there was another sort of room, the 00:08:28.502 --> 00:08:31.160 room, that they do, special events in. 00:08:32.810 --> 00:08:36.651 So you either have to go outside or the bedroom and hang out if you want light, 00:08:36.651 --> 00:08:41.508 but that's great for us because we are playing a game that was designed 00:08:41.728 --> 00:08:45.868 to be played in basements in Dungeons. 00:08:46.378 --> 00:08:54.258 And so this large living room with an enormous stocky wooden table, was perfect. 00:08:54.315 --> 00:08:58.395 AK: Can I just say that I so Fitz and I were the first two to arrive 00:08:58.455 --> 00:09:03.234 at the castle, and set some things up before Matt and Evan arrived. 00:09:03.814 --> 00:09:09.613 and the chills I got when I like put the map on the table that we would later, put 00:09:09.613 --> 00:09:11.743 little minis on and move around a board. 00:09:12.223 --> 00:09:13.543 I haven't ever gotten to do that. 00:09:13.543 --> 00:09:18.203 I do have real dice that I roll when we play, but it's just, it hits different 00:09:18.243 --> 00:09:19.623 when you're all at the same table. 00:09:19.873 --> 00:09:23.993 and so as Fitz I kind of like unrolled that, surprising to no one 00:09:23.993 --> 00:09:28.175 burst out into hysterical giggle fit, because it was just so it was, 00:09:28.530 --> 00:09:28.920 MB: Perfect. 00:09:30.165 --> 00:09:30.615 perfect. 00:09:30.885 --> 00:09:31.695 It was perfect. 00:09:31.725 --> 00:09:36.308 And I had prepared a bunch of stuff, a whole new world that 00:09:36.308 --> 00:09:38.363 no one had really, known about. 00:09:38.388 --> 00:09:41.971 And, I didn't know how I was going to present this or what it was gonna 00:09:42.211 --> 00:09:45.391 be like to play live and in person. 00:09:45.978 --> 00:09:49.201 I mean, luckily I, you know, I knew you all, so you trusted me. 00:09:49.206 --> 00:09:50.341 I trusted you. 00:09:50.341 --> 00:09:50.611 It's. 00:09:50.628 --> 00:09:52.588 it wasn't like performance anxiety so much. 00:09:52.588 --> 00:09:54.778 It's just, wow, does this work? 00:09:54.778 --> 00:09:55.348 I don't know. 00:09:55.348 --> 00:09:57.484 And it just did. 00:09:57.484 --> 00:09:58.897 from this first 00:09:59.347 --> 00:09:59.570 AK: Just 00:09:59.581 --> 00:10:05.635 MB: Just sitting down and in, in a throne, sitting in a throne, and 00:10:05.635 --> 00:10:10.375 just kind of looking at everyone and saying, Welcome to this world. 00:10:10.405 --> 00:10:13.668 That's when I got chills is when I, I could look at all of you 00:10:13.668 --> 00:10:20.238 in the eye and just start the storytelling and whew, dang, man. 00:10:22.368 --> 00:10:24.624 Ugh, the best, the best. 00:10:24.879 --> 00:10:25.599 AK: It was. 00:10:26.259 --> 00:10:31.331 It was an interesting, it was an interesting proof that we'll go Jurassic 00:10:31.331 --> 00:10:33.041 Park for a second life finds a way. 00:10:33.096 --> 00:10:35.613 no, it was an interesting that what's supposed to shake out 00:10:35.613 --> 00:10:36.873 what's supposed to happen will. 00:10:36.873 --> 00:10:41.823 So we had actually started talking about building this world that we played in 00:10:41.913 --> 00:10:46.866 months ago, and we did some play testing with some different characters, originally 00:10:46.866 --> 00:10:50.256 thinking that we were gonna hit the ground running, so that way, by the time we made 00:10:50.256 --> 00:10:56.191 it to castle birthday weekend, We were gonna be just already very immersed in 00:10:56.191 --> 00:11:00.783 this world, and we were gonna maybe be coming to a big boss fight or something 00:11:00.783 --> 00:11:04.377 with, some kind of stakes, if you will. 00:11:04.377 --> 00:11:08.012 and the way it ended up happening, we scrapped some of our original 00:11:08.012 --> 00:11:11.682 ideas for characters and all started fresh and, and built something. 00:11:13.485 --> 00:11:16.605 what had happened when we first tried to build the characters, a big lesson 00:11:16.605 --> 00:11:21.132 for us, and I would love to hear from any D&D nerds on this concept 00:11:21.192 --> 00:11:25.092 is we tried to build characters before we knew anything about the 00:11:25.092 --> 00:11:27.102 world that they would be living in. 00:11:28.052 --> 00:11:30.692 And they just fundamentally didn't work. 00:11:30.692 --> 00:11:31.322 Didn't fit. 00:11:31.322 --> 00:11:32.822 Didn't jive as a party. 00:11:32.971 --> 00:11:37.981 So we scrapped our original character concepts, Matt shared with us just a 00:11:37.981 --> 00:11:41.011 few juicy tasty, tiny little morsels. 00:11:41.078 --> 00:11:45.864 and then we all went away, built our characters, had kind of a Session 00:11:45.864 --> 00:11:50.575 Zero a couple of weeks ago, just to, introduce the basics and decide 00:11:50.575 --> 00:11:51.805 what we would and wouldn't know. 00:11:52.525 --> 00:11:56.570 And I have to say, it could not have worked out more perfectly. 00:11:56.660 --> 00:12:01.820 I love that we started this adventure at Castle Birthday. 00:12:01.820 --> 00:12:07.154 I love that the first minute we got to play, we were all, sharing the same 00:12:07.154 --> 00:12:11.382 space and air and, looking into each other's eyes and not the screens like 00:12:11.412 --> 00:12:14.262 that is so monumental and special to me. 00:12:14.262 --> 00:12:15.567 I can't even find the words. 00:12:15.598 --> 00:12:18.209 so it all worked out as it was supposed to, it all worked out as it should. 00:12:18.276 --> 00:12:21.534 Um, and I'm so grateful that we got the chance and now I feel so much 00:12:21.534 --> 00:12:22.704 more invested in this character. 00:12:22.704 --> 00:12:25.974 And one thing I tried to do differently with this character build was just. 00:12:26.036 --> 00:12:27.506 Let her play out in game. 00:12:27.566 --> 00:12:33.467 I think usually I come in with too much of a backstory and too many decisions made. 00:12:33.478 --> 00:12:36.398 and so with this character, I didn't know her mannerisms. 00:12:36.398 --> 00:12:42.188 I didn't know like how she would react to stress or anger or fear or happiness. 00:12:42.688 --> 00:12:43.738 And it was pretty cool. 00:12:43.738 --> 00:12:47.752 Just like getting introduced to her in game, just as I was introduced to the 00:12:47.752 --> 00:12:49.792 characters that Evan and Fitz brought. 00:12:49.852 --> 00:12:53.962 And of course, all of the NPCs that Matt started throwing our 00:12:53.962 --> 00:12:55.522 way just right outta the gate. 00:12:55.747 --> 00:13:00.517 MB: It was such a fun, balanced crew rolling up. 00:13:00.757 --> 00:13:06.127 Like I really, I loved all the work that everybody had done. 00:13:06.177 --> 00:13:09.420 And I was proud of the work that I had done to give them room 00:13:09.420 --> 00:13:11.700 to be in, in this new world. 00:13:11.700 --> 00:13:17.184 And yeah, you said it, you said it, it was really just, a perfect 00:13:17.184 --> 00:13:23.770 beginning and, certainly, it will continue to move and grow, sadly, 00:13:24.340 --> 00:13:27.160 not as many times in person, but. 00:13:28.132 --> 00:13:34.402 One thing I thought we could talk about to kind of tie in some ADHD stuff in that, 00:13:34.441 --> 00:13:39.186 because some people want to hear that and not just about our fun castle birthday. 00:13:39.243 --> 00:13:46.943 Uh, part of what I was concerned about was really trying to find the system. 00:13:47.843 --> 00:13:58.192 I needed to find the proper way to show elements of this world, to the characters 00:13:58.732 --> 00:14:07.430 and Fitz had brought this cool, dry erase board tabletop grid that she used to great 00:14:07.435 --> 00:14:09.510 success when she was the dungeon master. 00:14:09.632 --> 00:14:11.889 But I, of course need some things to be digital. 00:14:11.949 --> 00:14:12.999 That's just who I 00:14:13.134 --> 00:14:17.334 AK: Matthew Bivins is all digital, no analog. 00:14:17.382 --> 00:14:19.062 MB: All digital, all the time. 00:14:19.872 --> 00:14:24.132 Anyway, so I needed a way to have my notes and have this thing 00:14:24.132 --> 00:14:29.532 and then have some way for you all to visualize and plan and 00:14:29.682 --> 00:14:31.752 strategize and so on and so forth. 00:14:31.752 --> 00:14:36.915 And in a perfect world, someday, someday, I will build a true 00:14:36.982 --> 00:14:38.482 tabletop role playing game table. 00:14:39.397 --> 00:14:41.317 I want to have a screen in the middle. 00:14:41.367 --> 00:14:42.267 That's a true dream. 00:14:42.477 --> 00:14:46.667 So that, that will happen someday, but in the meantime, to focus what 00:14:46.667 --> 00:14:49.307 I was doing, but not to lose focus. 00:14:49.307 --> 00:14:55.747 We kind of go back and forth using Foundry Virtual Tabletop, and Encounter+. 00:14:57.307 --> 00:15:01.587 These are two very different virtual tabletop systems. 00:15:01.867 --> 00:15:07.020 One is incredibly powerful and incredibly complicated. 00:15:07.050 --> 00:15:11.317 And it's really good for virtual play because you can give all kinds of, 00:15:11.317 --> 00:15:13.707 power to the characters, to your players. 00:15:14.062 --> 00:15:17.207 it's just a more robust sharing system. 00:15:18.197 --> 00:15:22.415 But I also love this thing called Encounter+ that has like a quarter of the 00:15:22.415 --> 00:15:25.579 fans, a tiny fraction of the, community. 00:15:25.579 --> 00:15:26.809 it's much, much simpler. 00:15:27.161 --> 00:15:28.901 But it was so perfect for this. 00:15:28.951 --> 00:15:34.314 Encounter+ won my heart again in this situation, especially live because it 00:15:34.319 --> 00:15:39.624 shares just what the players need to see, which is basically, a dry erase 00:15:39.624 --> 00:15:42.478 board that you put on your table and you could draw things, right. 00:15:42.539 --> 00:15:45.689 Except all digital all the time. 00:15:46.859 --> 00:15:48.179 And I loved it. 00:15:48.184 --> 00:15:48.809 I loved it. 00:15:48.823 --> 00:15:52.523 in, in the past, we've talked about how much control you as 00:15:52.523 --> 00:15:57.058 players would like to have over movement and planning and strategy. 00:15:57.758 --> 00:16:00.968 And this time we just kind of went Critical Role with it, where you 00:16:00.968 --> 00:16:05.918 said, I want to go there and even pointed to the monitor that you 00:16:05.923 --> 00:16:08.078 could see, and I moved you there. 00:16:08.137 --> 00:16:10.027 and it was really dice focused. 00:16:10.027 --> 00:16:11.257 It was really simple. 00:16:11.377 --> 00:16:12.367 And yeah. 00:16:12.547 --> 00:16:13.007 What were you gonna. 00:16:13.027 --> 00:16:13.597 AK: And nothing. 00:16:13.687 --> 00:16:15.187 No, I was gonna say, and nothing suffered. 00:16:15.245 --> 00:16:20.568 I did not feel hampered at any point in time by saying Hey Matt, how many feet? 00:16:20.568 --> 00:16:23.636 Uh, because for those of you who don't play, but will one day, well, 00:16:24.980 --> 00:16:28.250 have in any given turn, you've got an amount of movement, you have 00:16:28.250 --> 00:16:31.922 an action, and so you have to make sure that if you're gonna fire off 00:16:31.922 --> 00:16:34.009 a spell you're within range, do so. 00:16:34.136 --> 00:16:34.796 And. 00:16:35.046 --> 00:16:39.242 So we just, we used our words and said, you know, move me here, move me there. 00:16:39.242 --> 00:16:39.952 and it worked. 00:16:39.973 --> 00:16:41.203 You didn't seem bothered. 00:16:41.249 --> 00:16:42.279 I know I wasn't bothered. 00:16:42.794 --> 00:16:48.154 MB: More importantly, and I'll, I'll try to keep this short, impossible, but I 00:16:48.154 --> 00:16:53.522 really think I stumbled upon something that really does apply to ADHD. 00:16:53.972 --> 00:16:57.152 And I've talked a few times about these virtual tabletops 00:16:57.152 --> 00:17:00.632 and how I love tinkering so much. 00:17:00.632 --> 00:17:06.002 I love playing with things and new stuff and like tech and especially with 00:17:06.002 --> 00:17:09.907 Foundry, which, will always have a place in my heart and it will always have a 00:17:10.207 --> 00:17:12.088 purpose, I think, in what I'm doing. 00:17:12.138 --> 00:17:15.338 But you can futz with that thing for hours. 00:17:15.518 --> 00:17:19.178 You can futz with it until you have no time to build 00:17:19.178 --> 00:17:21.638 your ding dang world, right. 00:17:21.968 --> 00:17:25.411 And, in Encounter+ you can't do that, it's, it's a much simpler thing. 00:17:25.411 --> 00:17:31.710 And man, I just, I didn't miss a beat, as far as what I needed to do 00:17:31.710 --> 00:17:36.555 as a storyteller or a co storyteller, I didn't miss a beat in that. 00:17:36.560 --> 00:17:41.145 I didn't miss a technology that Foundry could give me, everybody was rolling 00:17:41.145 --> 00:17:48.085 dice for the most part and I had just enough help with math and stuff, with 00:17:48.085 --> 00:17:50.455 encounters and placement and stuff. 00:17:50.455 --> 00:17:52.645 Just enough to get the job done. 00:17:52.645 --> 00:17:57.342 And the simplified nature of everything, including y'all just being there, right? 00:17:57.347 --> 00:17:59.356 No dropouts, no sound issues. 00:17:59.763 --> 00:18:03.428 The simpler game was, as you can imagine so much easier 00:18:04.278 --> 00:18:04.648 AK: Mm-hmm 00:18:04.648 --> 00:18:10.593 MB: For me to focus and talk and tell and do right. 00:18:10.593 --> 00:18:13.349 Actually, when we switched to using Foundry with our friend, 00:18:13.349 --> 00:18:17.307 Matt pulled in for a different game, it all fell apart, right. 00:18:17.410 --> 00:18:19.960 I had actually stop and say, guys, I'm so sorry. 00:18:20.110 --> 00:18:23.380 This is just way harder to do this. 00:18:23.650 --> 00:18:26.420 Kind of with this mix of live and virtual. 00:18:26.430 --> 00:18:27.900 and I'm totally distracted. 00:18:27.950 --> 00:18:31.420 And this is a, a critical moment that I'm totally messing up. 00:18:31.810 --> 00:18:37.244 So it's very interesting how, I think I was able to focus so much better with 00:18:37.244 --> 00:18:44.544 y'all in the room with me, I was aware when you are not focused and I could 00:18:44.544 --> 00:18:49.172 like and I could say mm-hmm no, I don't, I don't wanna talk about that right now. 00:18:49.172 --> 00:18:52.350 I'm trying to listen to the Dungeon Master or whatever it was, or I want 00:18:52.350 --> 00:18:53.790 you to listen to the dungeon master. 00:18:55.470 --> 00:18:55.840 Dude. 00:18:55.890 --> 00:18:56.700 That's just what we do. 00:18:56.730 --> 00:18:57.630 That's part of our life. 00:18:57.750 --> 00:19:00.480 AK: Guess who toddler of the class was? 00:19:01.870 --> 00:19:05.458 MB: Um, and being a dungeon master is easier for me to focus. 00:19:05.543 --> 00:19:14.840 The strange combination of singleness mixed with, uh, multitasking just triggers 00:19:14.845 --> 00:19:20.283 enough so that I feel like I'm more focused in the game than I am as a player. 00:19:20.313 --> 00:19:26.568 Because I think the player, honestly takes, ah, more focus 00:19:26.568 --> 00:19:28.248 like cuz it's single minded, right? 00:19:28.248 --> 00:19:31.320 You need to listen to what your, your game master is saying. 00:19:31.320 --> 00:19:35.565 And you need to listen to what the, other characters are saying. 00:19:35.595 --> 00:19:37.095 And that's harder for me. 00:19:37.095 --> 00:19:40.395 It truly is actually more difficult with ADHD with me. 00:19:40.935 --> 00:19:46.455 AK: I think the only thing that I'm disappointed in, we didn't even 00:19:46.455 --> 00:19:49.285 have junk food, ate vegetables. 00:19:49.600 --> 00:19:53.950 MB: We vegetables like my brother brought, he brought quote unquote junk 00:19:53.950 --> 00:19:57.475 food, but it was beautiful, plantain 00:19:58.285 --> 00:20:02.515 AK: It was all avocado yeah, flax and plantain and 00:20:03.985 --> 00:20:06.085 MB: Healthiest damn snacks. 00:20:06.085 --> 00:20:08.699 not a Dorito in a country mile, 00:20:09.479 --> 00:20:14.309 AK: Lines were drawn though over the great Oreo debate. 00:20:14.759 --> 00:20:17.439 That's where it almost all fell apart When. 00:20:18.119 --> 00:20:19.954 MB: That's true, there were some junk food 00:20:20.039 --> 00:20:21.707 AK: We did have, we did have Oreos. 00:20:21.750 --> 00:20:25.475 Uh, Fitz and I went to the snack aisle procured, the double stuff Oreos 00:20:25.745 --> 00:20:29.526 to, she had said, you know, I feel that Double Stuf are the baseline. 00:20:29.526 --> 00:20:32.750 that's the basic Oreo, anything above that is extra. 00:20:33.230 --> 00:20:36.470 And we come back to the cart, gotta put it the cart of Matt looks at us and goes, 00:20:36.560 --> 00:20:38.930 oh, so you're double stuffed people. 00:20:38.941 --> 00:20:39.315 MB: Mm-hmm 00:20:39.408 --> 00:20:39.768 AK: That's it. 00:20:39.796 --> 00:20:43.285 that's as close to an encounter as we came all weekend with one another. 00:20:43.405 --> 00:20:45.175 MB: It was just eyebrows raised because. 00:20:46.255 --> 00:20:47.125 I know of this. 00:20:47.125 --> 00:20:51.572 I, I'm a fan of Good Mythical Morning, you know, they did a whole thing about 00:20:51.572 --> 00:20:53.392 Oreos and where is the baseline? 00:20:54.272 --> 00:20:57.307 And for many, people double stuff is the baseline. 00:20:58.027 --> 00:20:59.647 Regular has always been for me. 00:21:01.022 --> 00:21:02.229 I, I went along with it. 00:21:02.229 --> 00:21:07.711 Number one is your birthday, number two, I loved the double stuff upon having it. 00:21:08.296 --> 00:21:10.666 AK: We didn't come close to finishing the 00:21:10.711 --> 00:21:12.631 MB: Not no, exactly. 00:21:13.231 --> 00:21:14.911 We, yeah, exactly. 00:21:14.911 --> 00:21:19.314 We bought the junk food, proud of ourselves reminded that Oreos 00:21:19.314 --> 00:21:21.909 are actually vegan, so yikes. 00:21:22.009 --> 00:21:26.829 That doesn't bode well, but then couldn't eat like even a full row. 00:21:26.859 --> 00:21:33.694 AK: Even when we ordered pizza, we ordered bougie, fancy pizza. 00:21:33.744 --> 00:21:36.106 we have like walnuts and blue cheese 00:21:36.541 --> 00:21:37.501 MB: in all this. 00:21:37.911 --> 00:21:39.681 AK: A total veggie one. 00:21:39.711 --> 00:21:40.511 There 00:21:40.721 --> 00:21:40.961 MB: Yeah. 00:21:41.031 --> 00:21:41.321 Yeah. 00:21:41.596 --> 00:21:47.633 AK: Insist on a salad or my body would revolt of revolting it was absurd. 00:21:47.638 --> 00:21:48.339 And I loved it. 00:21:48.806 --> 00:21:49.416 Um, 00:21:49.445 --> 00:21:50.700 MB: Talking about big birthdays. 00:21:50.715 --> 00:21:52.605 That's I guess happens. 00:21:53.565 --> 00:21:54.525 Don't be ashamed. 00:21:55.155 --> 00:21:57.625 And so much sparkling water, so much, 00:21:57.625 --> 00:22:00.619 AK: We went through so much, so much fizzy water. 00:22:00.665 --> 00:22:04.475 We smashed all expectations though, out of the park. 00:22:04.645 --> 00:22:05.755 It was truly magical. 00:22:06.325 --> 00:22:07.345 I can't wait to go back. 00:22:07.350 --> 00:22:08.395 I can't wait to do it again. 00:22:08.505 --> 00:22:11.775 I think we have to do a little parade of castle homes. 00:22:11.775 --> 00:22:13.125 We don't need to stick to one. 00:22:13.725 --> 00:22:14.775 Try the Hobbit hole next. 00:22:14.775 --> 00:22:16.155 There's fairy cabin. 00:22:16.205 --> 00:22:20.324 What was great about this one is, is for the ADHD folks in the 00:22:20.329 --> 00:22:22.123 house, there were no distractions. 00:22:22.128 --> 00:22:24.133 There was nothing else that we wanted to do. 00:22:24.138 --> 00:22:26.053 We didn't friends in Knoxville. 00:22:26.213 --> 00:22:30.244 Like at one point we were looking at cabins in Pigeon Forge, but then I 00:22:30.244 --> 00:22:33.326 would've wanted to go looking for Dolly and, And so there, there would've been 00:22:33.326 --> 00:22:38.667 too many, you know, reasons to not play D&D even for four people who love D&D. 00:22:39.387 --> 00:22:43.513 So I, I kind of like that we protected our mental space going into this 00:22:43.513 --> 00:22:46.613 and said, no, we're going somewhere where there is nothing else to do. 00:22:46.663 --> 00:22:49.086 MB: And absolutely no shade on Knoxville, Tennessee. 00:22:49.153 --> 00:22:52.845 I'm sure that it has tons of stuff to do, but that was just 00:22:52.905 --> 00:22:54.780 not going to be happening. 00:22:54.780 --> 00:22:56.072 Uh, Yeah, we didn't do anything. 00:22:56.163 --> 00:22:57.823 I barely went outside. 00:22:57.873 --> 00:23:03.666 AK: Yeah, we would take breaks, much to my dismay often and Evan and Fitz 00:23:03.686 --> 00:23:07.141 would be like, oh, I gotta go get some vitamin D, I gotta see outside today. 00:23:07.141 --> 00:23:09.101 And I'm like little Goblin. 00:23:09.151 --> 00:23:09.661 Why. 00:23:10.441 --> 00:23:12.291 We're playing Dungeons and Dragons. 00:23:12.631 --> 00:23:13.491 Where are you going? 00:23:14.671 --> 00:23:14.701 Uh 00:23:14.701 --> 00:23:18.961 We never we never I Don't know how you feel about this. 00:23:19.471 --> 00:23:20.971 We never hit a limit for me. 00:23:21.001 --> 00:23:22.261 We never came close. 00:23:22.381 --> 00:23:23.581 I could have played more and longer. 00:23:23.866 --> 00:23:29.293 MB: I could play not no, uh, definitely did not hit a limit, our 00:23:29.293 --> 00:23:32.548 bedtimes got later and later and later, and the last night we were 00:23:32.548 --> 00:23:34.678 in a campaign being run by Fitz. 00:23:36.083 --> 00:23:39.860 I could tell, I could tell when she said guys I'm so sorry to be this 00:23:39.860 --> 00:23:44.429 person at one in the morning, but I think this is a good stopping place. 00:23:44.507 --> 00:23:46.407 You could tell it was painful for her, 00:23:46.717 --> 00:23:48.358 AK: She and I play Thursday nights with a group. 00:23:48.363 --> 00:23:51.238 And that was something that she brought up last night as we started 00:23:51.238 --> 00:23:54.928 our game, was that the only thing she hated was she hated that she 00:23:54.928 --> 00:23:57.088 was DMing the final sessions. 00:23:57.148 --> 00:24:01.798 She had to be the one to say, let's pack it up friends, and we 00:24:01.798 --> 00:24:06.568 don't hold it against you Fitz, we understand the position you were in. 00:24:07.363 --> 00:24:08.203 MB: It had to be done. 00:24:08.207 --> 00:24:10.967 I only stopped the campaign that I was running because 00:24:10.967 --> 00:24:12.287 I didn't have anything else. 00:24:12.347 --> 00:24:15.467 I was like, literally ran everything that I could. 00:24:15.467 --> 00:24:15.677 and, 00:24:15.778 --> 00:24:19.143 AK: I often wonder if the way we are is people influences 00:24:19.143 --> 00:24:20.823 the way that we are as players. 00:24:20.873 --> 00:24:24.280 We've talked about that a little bit before in this where the veil is very 00:24:24.280 --> 00:24:26.366 thin between person and character. 00:24:26.881 --> 00:24:32.469 And I have to wonder if, as, a por at least portion, if not all of our party has 00:24:32.469 --> 00:24:35.333 some level of, ADHD or other compulsion. 00:24:35.354 --> 00:24:38.084 I wonder how that influences the choices we make in game. 00:24:38.084 --> 00:24:43.329 I am proud of us though, in the new module, the new campaign that 00:24:43.329 --> 00:24:50.559 we started, that we fairly swiftly and adeptly got to the point. 00:24:50.779 --> 00:24:53.864 We followed Evan's don't bore us get to the chorus. 00:24:53.864 --> 00:24:58.124 Is that experience or is that the new characters we rolled up? 00:24:58.124 --> 00:25:00.787 I don't think either of us have an answer, I'm just, pondering at 00:25:00.902 --> 00:25:01.232 MB: Yeah. 00:25:01.314 --> 00:25:01.829 I don't know. 00:25:01.829 --> 00:25:03.269 I don't know that I have an answer. 00:25:03.524 --> 00:25:05.444 But who are we? 00:25:05.444 --> 00:25:06.974 What have we become? 00:25:07.424 --> 00:25:09.704 But I think you're completely correct. 00:25:09.984 --> 00:25:13.651 I Think it's really different to play in a world that does not exist. 00:25:13.891 --> 00:25:17.161 Y'all know about Exandria, y'all know everything about, 00:25:17.352 --> 00:25:19.027 the Critical Role-everse. 00:25:19.144 --> 00:25:23.194 And I know everything about Barovia because that's what we're playing. 00:25:23.225 --> 00:25:30.310 And, I can shuttle in any number of these ADHD fueled subplots and side 00:25:30.530 --> 00:25:39.382 quests, but in a world where in a world, in a world where, it is So 100% open. 00:25:40.082 --> 00:25:44.062 Kind everything is a side quest and nothing is a side quest, right? 00:25:44.092 --> 00:25:48.662 Because if y'all go down this street, I have to write that street instantly. 00:25:48.704 --> 00:25:52.380 Like it says, if it doesn't exist, I have to just create it. 00:25:52.430 --> 00:25:56.178 But the coolest thing, is that I did come in with this little skeleton 00:25:56.458 --> 00:26:01.985 and I left with all of the stuff that you guys wrote in those three days. 00:26:02.310 --> 00:26:04.053 AK: I know that I'm broken recording here. 00:26:04.503 --> 00:26:05.763 It felt so real. 00:26:05.793 --> 00:26:07.503 I couldn't get over how real. 00:26:07.983 --> 00:26:11.915 Usually there's some grippage time needed when you start a new campaign, 00:26:11.915 --> 00:26:14.255 when you dive into a new world. 00:26:15.230 --> 00:26:20.930 and outta the gate there, it just, it felt like we'd been telling this story 00:26:20.930 --> 00:26:26.030 all along, even though we were all very new to it and who we'd be playing in it. 00:26:26.071 --> 00:26:28.647 And that's kudos to you, my friend, I'm curious. 00:26:29.777 --> 00:26:32.735 I think, cuz I think I know I'm genuinely interested and I think, 00:26:32.763 --> 00:26:34.353 I think others must be too. 00:26:34.416 --> 00:26:38.727 can you just, uh, shed a little light on your process of how 00:26:38.727 --> 00:26:40.617 you got started world building? 00:26:40.617 --> 00:26:44.787 Cuz we talked about a bunch of different ways over the recent months. 00:26:44.816 --> 00:26:45.236 So. 00:26:46.386 --> 00:26:50.008 MB: Yeah, I'll start off by saying I am super noob. 00:26:50.258 --> 00:26:51.848 I've never done this before. 00:26:52.218 --> 00:26:56.228 And like you said, we did have a preliminary, test that 00:26:56.228 --> 00:26:57.558 wasn't quite as successful. 00:26:57.558 --> 00:27:00.001 I did hit a moment where. 00:27:00.001 --> 00:27:05.334 It clicked, it was just, and I've heard about that about authors and I have 00:27:05.339 --> 00:27:06.984 experienced that with songwriting. 00:27:08.094 --> 00:27:10.824 Where you have to get to a point. 00:27:10.824 --> 00:27:15.864 And once you get to that, it's like, oh, oh, that, and you're just like, 00:27:16.344 --> 00:27:18.804 mind palacing all over the place. 00:27:18.804 --> 00:27:22.584 And you are seeing all the connections, but It wasn't there for a long time. 00:27:22.754 --> 00:27:26.464 EV and I had sat down and I said, Ooh, I want a very low magic world. 00:27:26.854 --> 00:27:31.048 And we kind of came up with the idea of maybe this world, where 00:27:31.048 --> 00:27:33.613 magic was outlawed for some reason. 00:27:33.613 --> 00:27:37.050 And so some of these things were sticking and I was, I was happy with them. 00:27:37.066 --> 00:27:42.466 But then I saw Lindsay and I sat down and watched the entirety of the TV show 00:27:43.236 --> 00:27:47.257 Chernobyl, which is, which is about, of course, uh, one of the most horrific, 00:27:47.286 --> 00:27:51.006 nuclear meltdowns explosions in history. 00:27:52.536 --> 00:27:59.722 And for some reason, after Chernobyl and the concept of an incident, an accident 00:28:00.002 --> 00:28:09.396 that happens that changes everyone's lives in a, two, three mile radius at least. 00:28:09.786 --> 00:28:14.046 And not only their lives, if they survive, but like their lives and 00:28:14.046 --> 00:28:17.075 their children's lives and their children's children's genetics. 00:28:17.091 --> 00:28:17.365 Right. 00:28:17.365 --> 00:28:20.876 Like, And I just went, Ugh, that's it? 00:28:21.296 --> 00:28:27.386 This is Soviet based, and they're affected by this incident that happened. 00:28:27.716 --> 00:28:31.685 And like, it just kind of all started clicking. 00:28:32.075 --> 00:28:36.725 All these like basic ideas that Evan and I had came together finally, 00:28:36.725 --> 00:28:38.375 because there was a real reason. 00:28:38.375 --> 00:28:43.289 And, I am a disciple of Mike Shea, I'll say that a billion times on this podcast. 00:28:43.319 --> 00:28:49.703 And, I think in the time that we started building Tataria, this world, this realm, 00:28:49.796 --> 00:28:55.610 I had been reading Mike Shea's stuff and I'd been watching him on YouTube. 00:28:56.030 --> 00:29:00.804 And for those of you don't know, he is The Lazy DM, a longtime 00:29:01.194 --> 00:29:05.568 dungeon master and just theorist and role playing game enthusiast. 00:29:05.698 --> 00:29:09.256 So I really took his, uh, theories, his, what do you call it? 00:29:09.269 --> 00:29:11.909 Methodology to heart. 00:29:12.009 --> 00:29:12.519 And I did. 00:29:12.579 --> 00:29:17.779 Strong start, secrets and clues, location and and I was just really stuck to it. 00:29:17.829 --> 00:29:22.567 The, the thing is every single person says don't build the whole thing. 00:29:23.497 --> 00:29:24.667 Don't build every city. 00:29:25.537 --> 00:29:26.167 Just don't. 00:29:26.207 --> 00:29:27.525 Because number one, you can't. 00:29:27.585 --> 00:29:30.248 Number two, that kind of leaves your players out a. 00:29:30.923 --> 00:29:32.273 What if they want to do something. 00:29:32.273 --> 00:29:33.908 And you did, and you do, right. 00:29:33.911 --> 00:29:37.129 Like y'all invented just as much stuff, as I have. 00:29:37.429 --> 00:29:41.341 And yeah, he's just like, just start and just circle out, circle 00:29:41.341 --> 00:29:42.600 out, circle out, circle out. 00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:44.610 So that's a long-winded answer. 00:29:45.120 --> 00:29:50.994 Just go get all of Mike Shea's books and not just his, I mean, 00:29:51.045 --> 00:29:53.921 I think a lot of world builders, say the same thing, right? 00:29:53.921 --> 00:29:59.381 Just, steal from what you know, and love because you will make it your own. 00:29:59.441 --> 00:30:00.851 Don't worry about stealing. 00:30:01.061 --> 00:30:05.561 Don't worry about like I threw Chernobyl in there. 00:30:05.561 --> 00:30:08.577 I threw some Stranger Things in there, who cares if it's a bunch 00:30:08.577 --> 00:30:10.587 of tropes, people love tropes. 00:30:10.752 --> 00:30:10.812 Yeah. 00:30:11.322 --> 00:30:14.982 And why wouldn't you wanna play a game where you are up 00:30:14.982 --> 00:30:16.332 against a trope that you love? 00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:19.929 You know, the superhero does this, or this person is vanquished, or 00:30:19.929 --> 00:30:22.269 this is why wouldn't you want that. 00:30:22.299 --> 00:30:23.409 Everybody wants that. 00:30:23.470 --> 00:30:24.749 And again, it will be yours. 00:30:24.749 --> 00:30:25.859 It'll be your names. 00:30:26.639 --> 00:30:31.056 If it's Yoda, it won't be a little green dude with like big ears. 00:30:31.056 --> 00:30:36.509 It'll be the essence, the concept of Yoda, um, in your 00:30:36.509 --> 00:30:38.219 own words in your own, you know, 00:30:38.995 --> 00:30:41.359 AK: Take the parts you like and leave the rest. 00:30:41.473 --> 00:30:44.293 Even my very first character that we've talked about in other episodes 00:30:44.293 --> 00:30:47.893 Lavinia the one that died, well, I based her at a Greek tragedy. 00:30:47.953 --> 00:30:52.477 So of course she met a tragic end, um, saving her friends in a very 00:30:52.482 --> 00:30:57.153 heroic moment, as long as you're not too on the nose and too, too precious 00:30:57.153 --> 00:31:00.663 about it, you're willing to let some things fly and let your imagination 00:31:00.663 --> 00:31:02.919 soar, around that central concept. 00:31:02.949 --> 00:31:06.106 I, I think that's a great, great, technique for Dungeon 00:31:06.106 --> 00:31:07.486 Masters and players alike. 00:31:07.486 --> 00:31:11.836 MB: And I'm so glad that I got there with this world. 00:31:11.836 --> 00:31:14.059 And now I feel like there's no going back. 00:31:14.089 --> 00:31:18.802 And I don't imagine that I'll have that initial issue, right. 00:31:19.472 --> 00:31:22.685 I'm sure there will be some things that either fly or they don't fly. 00:31:22.765 --> 00:31:24.824 I'm sure there's things about Exandria that, Mr. 00:31:24.824 --> 00:31:29.071 Mercer is like, okay, that maybe that didn't work quite as well as 00:31:29.071 --> 00:31:33.732 I wanted it to probably, maybe not, but I think we're past that hump, the 00:31:33.732 --> 00:31:36.072 initial hump and it's just gonna be 00:31:36.072 --> 00:31:38.570 AK: Well, and to tie it all to ADHD, 00:31:38.700 --> 00:31:39.270 MB: All right. 00:31:39.270 --> 00:31:43.620 AK: We've talked about before, how the hardest thing for us is often to start. 00:31:44.040 --> 00:31:45.480 MB: Yeah, yes. 00:31:45.495 --> 00:31:46.485 AK: it's again, that fear. 00:31:46.515 --> 00:31:48.825 And I know you don't have the same fear of the blank page that I do, 00:31:48.825 --> 00:31:55.035 but just getting the beast off the ground was daunting and now it is, 00:31:55.078 --> 00:31:56.458 and things are clicking into place. 00:31:56.458 --> 00:31:58.348 And I think that's a beautiful thing. 00:31:58.528 --> 00:32:00.658 MB: Me, too. 00:32:01.777 --> 00:32:01.997 AK: Yay. 00:32:02.497 --> 00:32:02.717 MB: Yay. 00:32:02.785 --> 00:32:07.243 AK: Um, well, I am so excited to be on this adventure with you both in your 00:32:07.243 --> 00:32:10.663 party and as a member of this podcast. 00:32:11.423 --> 00:32:11.933 MB: you 00:32:12.773 --> 00:32:17.383 AK: So I'm glad we got to relive the magic today 00:32:17.518 --> 00:32:18.328 MB: Me too. 00:32:18.408 --> 00:32:21.168 I can't wait for the next game, but then yes, of course. 00:32:21.173 --> 00:32:26.448 I can't wait for the next a trip and I can't wait for the next podcast, Allison. 00:32:26.448 --> 00:32:26.898 Thank you. 00:32:27.598 --> 00:32:28.938 AK: I feel the same. 00:32:29.408 --> 00:32:29.698 MB: Yeah. 00:32:29.698 --> 00:32:29.699 Okay. 00:32:29.738 --> 00:32:31.688 until next time I love you. 00:32:32.198 --> 00:32:33.368 All right, bye.