{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Rebecca Hogue","startTime":0.41,"endTime":4.01,"body":"Welcome, Stephanie, to Demystifying Instructional Design, a podcast where I"},{"speaker":"Rebecca Hogue","startTime":4.01,"endTime":7.07,"body":"interview instructional designers to help figure out what it is"},{"speaker":"Rebecca Hogue","startTime":7.07,"endTime":9.94,"body":"instructional designers do. 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that and help."},{"speaker":"Rebecca Hogue","startTime":326.96,"endTime":330.2,"body":"And so what are the biggest challenges you face as"},{"speaker":"Rebecca Hogue","startTime":330.2,"endTime":331.49,"body":"an instructional designer?"},{"speaker":"Stephanie Smith","startTime":331.97,"endTime":335.57,"body":"I think one of the biggest ones is order taker"},{"speaker":"Stephanie Smith","startTime":335.57,"endTime":336.98,"body":"versus consultant."},{"speaker":"Stephanie Smith","startTime":337.16,"endTime":340.7,"body":"A lot of instructional designers, especially newer ones, they come"},{"speaker":"Stephanie Smith","startTime":340.7,"endTime":342.48,"body":"in and what do you want?"},{"speaker":"Stephanie Smith","startTime":342.5,"endTime":343.13,"body":"You want a video?"},{"speaker":"Stephanie Smith","startTime":343.13,"endTime":344.03,"body":"I'll make you a video."},{"speaker":"Speaker 1","startTime":344.03,"endTime":344.93,"body":"You want that?"},{"speaker":"Stephanie 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