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All right, we are live. Welcome to Rise and Outshine.

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I'm one of the hosts, Jeff Revilla, and I'm joined with one of the other

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hosts, Wise. Wise, welcome to the show.

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Oh, it's a pleasure, as always, to be here,

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and hopefully we have a great show.

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I was speaking to our guests just a little bit off the air,

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but I'm excited. I'm excited to see what she's got and

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how the show is. And as you know, on this show, we

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like to get right into it. And Wise is one of the co hosts with

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myself and Maria Daniels, and we've been alternating hosts over the

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course of the couple weeks here. And on this show,

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we like to talk about one thing, but we're doing all of these shows

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to get to a main event in September. That's our big

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goal. And Wise knows if you're in in the Pittsburgh area, you

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better be present because September

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27th and 28th, we're doing a

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live show in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, with all the shows that come here

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and do a great job are going to get invited to participate

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on the main stage at the paduti podcast theater.

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Po-uty.com Stay tuned for details.

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We have some mini events coming up in between, but September

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27th and 28th, wise is going to tell you

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it's. The place to be. It's. It's where you have to be at, man. It's

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a great opportunity for us to. To share our love for

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podcasting. It's. It's a great theater. It's a great experience. You

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actually get to. Hopefully the goal is to have a

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live audience there as well. So you'll be doing your show live

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in front of a studio audience as well as going as

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going as well as transmitting virtually and everything else.

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So I'm, I'm excited. I've already been telling people,

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listen, you need to start booking your tickets now. We're giving you. We

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started this when we did the first event, the event this

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year, and me and Maria actually got to spend

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time in Pittsburgh at the theater, and

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it was a great experience to be able to actually hang out with one of

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our good friends. It's the first time me and Jeff really got to meet in

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person and Maria as well. So it was just. We had

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a great time. It's a lot of fun. I'm looking forward to meeting more

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people in Pittsburgh in September. And

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leading up to that, we're doing@paduti.com a

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series of global podcaster meetups. So we're just announcing

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these now. If you go to PadUI.com once a month, starting

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February 1st, we're going to do a global event every

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month, a three hour event. We'll have guest speakers, we'll do Q and

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A. We'll do masterminding and brainstorming, all to help connect

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other podcasters around the world. That event, just like the event

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in September, is completely free. There's no charge. You want to register and

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get a ticket, that's great. Go to Paduti.com, get your

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Global Podcaster Meetup tickets and then prepare

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for September 27th and 28th.

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We have a great show coming up. Somebody else I met on my trivia

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show, Ayla Anderson Sparks, the Curator's Choice

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podcast. Let's hear that theme music and then

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bring Ayla on. We're asking the experts.

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We're all on a mission to rise in the rankings and

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outshine the competition. Welcome

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to Rise and Outshine.

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Yeah. Maria Daniel says I have to do the.

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Yeah. Let's welcome Ayla Anderson Sparks to

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the show. Ayla, welcome. Hello. Thank you. Glad to

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have you here. We first met on a trivia show. I

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host a trivia show called Stuff I never knew you were a contestant and

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everybody, I think, just enjoyed your company

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and one of your stories really resonated

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with a lot of the fans. That's good. Well, because I really only

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had stories, I didn't have any right answers, so at least they enjoyed the stories.

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So tell us a little bit about your show. It's the Curator's Choice. We're

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having you on tonight. And on this show, it's a, it's a podcast

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showcase. So what we do is we bring on podcasters and

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the people watching at home and Wise and myself are going to

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act as judges, kind of like, like Star Search

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or the end scene of America's Funniest Home Videos where you see the

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audience voting at the end and what you're going to do, you're going

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to scan this QR code or type menti.com and type in

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that code. When you get there, you'll see

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a little scoring criteria that we're going to judge Ayla show on

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tonight. Now, these scores are always done with, with love,

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with the, with the intention of helping and all

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of us working together to grow a better show. So when

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you log in, you'll see something that looks like the

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Curator's Choice podcast with a little scoring widget, you'll

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be able to slide left and right. We're not looking for tens.

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Tens. If you gave tens the whole way down the Board. You're

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doing a disservice to the podcast. We want honest, fair scores. Tens would

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be the best thing you've ever heard in your entire life, which

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It is possible. But what we're looking for, we're looking for strengths and

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weaknesses in the show to give this feedback back to

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Ayla in real time. And then after the scoring, you're

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going to see a word cloud. And this is my favorite part. It's a stream

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of conscious word cloud, where anything that you feel, if

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you're motivated, inspired, if you laugh, if you hear a

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funny quote, type that in and it's going to build out this word

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cloud. And the more times people use the same words,

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the bigger the word cloud gets. So it's a lot of fun. We

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usually get 30, 40 entries popping in there. You can

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anything, the whole show, you can keep typing into there. So,

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Ayla, you know, officially welcome to the show. Where do you do

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this podcast? Where are you calling in from? I'm calling in

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from the grand old Hagerstown, Maryland. Hagerstown,

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Maryland. Very nice. And tell us about the creator's choice.

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How did you come up with this concept? What's the roots,

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the origin story? Well, first, I do want to say

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I absolutely welcome the constructive criticisms,

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so please don't hold back. Give it to me. I would love to get some,

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some no holds barred returns, but

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where I decided to do this. So I've always been a really

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big history nerd and a museum buff. And

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I was joining the Peace Corps. I was going to serve in

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Malawi, in Africa. And I was like, I want to listen to some

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podcasts about museums. And this was right before the pandemic

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hit. And I looked it up. I couldn't really find many,

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which was disappointing because like I said, huge museum nerd.

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So I went to Malawi. I was doing my environment

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work over there and Covid hit

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worldwide with the Peace Corps were evacuated. And so, boom, I

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was with many other people who no longer was employed.

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So I thought I would try to be constructive. And I was like, hey, do

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you remember how I couldn't find anything about, you know, museum

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podcasts that I was interested in? I might as well make one. And so I

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did. And it's been a lot of fun doing it. And if

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I'm being honest, one of the huge perks is I usually get to

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go behind the scenes and get kind of exclusive content.

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Be like, oh, I'm doing it for My podcast for my listeners, but

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really, like, I get to see some really cool behind the scenes museum stuff.

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It must be. It must be really nice to be able to find a niche

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that. That people want to

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listen to and watch and everything. And you be like one

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of the people in the front, like, okay, this is. This is it.

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This is cool. I love it. And I think

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it's great, too, because I'm also. I was an educator at a museum for

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a while, and I feel like the concept of museums are like

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static. You know, they're for older people to just read a sign and then move

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on to the next dusty exhibit. And I'm really excited to kind of be a

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part of the revolution, telling people that they're

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actually really fun and they can be super engaging and trying

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to. The whole purpose of the podcast is to just generate interest,

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to support museums. So if you hear something and the

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museum's near you, you could go visit and offer them your patronage

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through purchasing a ticket. Very nice. And it looks

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like we're going to listen to a clip from episode 32.

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And, you know, you started this journey a little bit after Covid. How

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many total episodes have you generated so far? I now

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have 59 episodes. Very nice. So I. Yeah, and I've

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been. I've been. Yeah, I've just been so lucky. I've covered really

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tiny museums. We call them micro and mighty. And I've also

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covered some really large, popular museums like George Washington's Mount

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Vernon and Civil War, you know, things like that. So

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big and small. All are welcome and enjoyed. But this one that I

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and it was one that I think is fun for people who

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might not be huge history buffs, which I

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am, and I can get caught in the weeds. But I'm trying to

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cater it to people who might not be very familiar with it.

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for all interests and education levels, I guess you could

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say. Very nice. And you said you've been to some smaller museums. Any,

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like, really cool, small niche museums? You know

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what? Yes, there's a. There's an Idaho Potato

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museum. It's not super small, but it's

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exactly what you would imagine. It's literally just a museum all about the Idaho

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potato. They've got the potato. Potato God. They have got the

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where you can have ice cream that's made from potato. I mean it's

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museum, but they pack so much amazing history

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about oranges and citrus in it. Super fun

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and obscure. I've also actually done the Poozeum as well,

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I will say, which is a museum about fossilized feces.

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So you know the wacky and wonderful.

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So Ayla, hearing all these stories, if people wanted to connect and

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listen to all 59 of your episodes, what's the best way to find

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you or even connect with you? If they want to recommend a museum in their

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hometown, sure. So I love recommendations.

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If you want me to feature someone, please do send me the museum

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me@curatorschoicepodcastmail.com and

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if you're looking to listen to the episodes, you can just search Curator's choice

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on anywhere that you get your podcasts or I publish them

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directly on curatorschoicepodcast.com

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awesome. And this episode coming up again, episode

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32, the Las Vegas Sign Museum.

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And I think that's all the questions that I have

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wise. Anything else you want to know before we jump into it? Oh no, I'm

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excited to actually check out what the what the podcast is about. It sounds

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interesting. Me being from New York City, I've been able to

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growing up I was able to go to the museums in New York and have

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a great experience there. So I've had always had a

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great time visiting the museums. Yay. Sounds so

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good folks watching at home. Scan that QR code or go to

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menti.com type in that eight digit code. I'll have it scrolling

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across the bottom during the video. Without further ado

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everybody. Ayla Anderson Sparks Curators Choice

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Podcast Here we go. Something that we don't get

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enough credit for is the fine art that we have here in the

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city. Yeah, there's a lot more to Vegas than gambling and

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a red light district. You got it. Yeah,

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there is a Vegas for people who hate Vegas.

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Hi, I'm Ayla Sparks and this is Curator's

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Choice, a podcast for history nerds and museum lovers.

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From ancient relics to modern marvels, each episode of the show

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features a new museum and a curator's choice of some amazing

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artifacts housed there. These guardians of history will share

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insights, anecdotes, and the often untold stories that

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breathe life into the artifacts they protect. Thanks for tuning in to

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this Mighty Oak Media production and enjoy the show.

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Hello and welcome to another episode of curator's choice. Today,

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we're stepping behind the neon glow and venturing into a radiant

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corner of Las Vegas history. At the Neon Sign Museum,

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With Aaron Berger as our guide, we delve into a treasure trove of

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glowing lights designed to beckon weary travelers from

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around the world. Las Vegas neon signs are more

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than just advertisements, though. They're also historical

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landmarks that reveal the city's dark and light

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past. In this episode, you'll learn not only the ins and

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outs of neon sign restoration, but also how

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unique leasing agreements inadvertently became a

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lifeline for preserving these glowing artifacts. Among

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the stories highlighted is that of the Moulin Rouge sign,

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which marked the first integrated casino in the United

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States and was created by a rarity in the sign

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industry of its time, a woman by the name of Betty

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Willis. We also delve into the city's mission to weave these

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signs into the community's heartbeat, installing them in public

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places and even enshrining their maintenance in

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law, exemplified by the legendary cowboy Vegas.

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Vick. Whether you are looking for free aspirin, tender

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sympathies, or the brightest lights in town, Sin

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City has something for everyone. So. So without further

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ado, let's jump right in. So whenever you think about Nevada,

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and I mean, every time I tell someone I'm from Nevada, they

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instantly go, oh, Vegas. When you think of it, you're like, las Vegas, Sin City.

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You're walking down the strip, there's all these lights. What

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kind of started off the. The flashy party

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vibe of Vegas, really. Las Vegas was an escape

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town. It was the place that you would get away

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with it. And I mean that in almost every sense. So you would get away

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with it and from it, I think is probably the best way of thinking about

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it. It is a lot of glitz, a lot of glamour,

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definitely a lot of glitter. But if you are able to look past

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that, you can see there is an enormous amount of historic preservation

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taking place here. And there's a lot of history that's alive and well in this

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city. I love it. I. I have been to Vegas a few times,

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and every time I go, I don't drink and I don't gamble,

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and everyone's like, what are you even doing here? And there's an incredible amount

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of history. I think if I had to look back and think of my most

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iconic sign that I can picture, it's. I don't know exactly which

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one it is, but it's the. The man who has the cowboy hat, who has

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the bent leg, who is moving his cowboy hat. Like this? Correct.

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That's Vegas Vic. Oh, that is Vegas Vic. That is Vegas

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Vic created by the Chamber of Commerce and is just sort of this.

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He was here to welcome people to the city. So he is under the

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canopy. The original is still there. It is actually again,

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Las Vegas law being quirky and weird. The

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law is that if you have a neon sign underneath the canopy

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on Fremont street, it must be lit so you

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cannot turn it off and it must be maintained. The city that

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never sleeps. That's it. So it is important

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that we are preserving that history. So I actually had

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to do an interview with CNN because Vegas Vic went

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out and there was a lot of scuttlebutt about that. What

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happens if a sign does go out? It has to be repaired. So they just

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call a repair guy and they're like, immediately this has to be done. The owner

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is responsible for maintaining it and making sure that it is

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in working order. So. So yeah, so it was, it was.

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These are the kinds of things. But Vegas Vic is fantastic. He's a

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great, you know, cowboy. And then inside

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Circa, which is sort of diagonally across from where

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Vegas Vic is positioned inside the Circa casino

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is Vegas Vicki. And Vegas Vicki

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is. There was actually a wedding between the two of them. They're. They're

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officially married, so. I know,

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exactly. But you know, we've talked to the folks who. At one

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point, Vegas Vicki had fallen into such disrepair that she was

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literally being hoisted into a dumpster and being thrown

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out and was saved by a property owner, Derek Stevens, here in

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town and brought her back to full life. Charles

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Bernard, who designed Vegas Vicky, is a renowned sign

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maker and now she sits literally in the

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heart of Circa. So wherever you go in the casino, you can sort

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of see a different avenue or a different sight line of

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Vegas Vicki staring back at you and she's. She's got her,

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her big cowboy hat or big grin and she's a well

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endowed country lady. So the proper welcome to

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Vegas right there. You got it. Exactly, yeah. How many signs do

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you have in your collection? It's a great question. So we have about

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250 that are on display and I have another

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600 that are in storage.

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So that's one of our biggest goals, is to get these, these

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guys out of storage and out into the communities. I would like to point out

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as well that though it's a. It's got all of these signs they're on the

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ground so people can actually come up to them and see them. The signs are

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not up like how they were in front of the hotel. They're eye level,

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so you really can see those. That's a really important point. And I'm glad you

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said that. That's exactly true. And we want you to be able to

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see the sign in its detail. We want you

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to hear that buzz that only neon makes, which is fantastic

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as well. What is the difference between neon and just a

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regular light? So neon is a. Is a gas. It's a noble

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gas. And when it's charged with electricity, that's what

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gives it its glow. So in most signs that we

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refer to as neon signs, they're either filled with neon gas

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or argon gas. One will produce a color of

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one color, one will produce another color. Then you add powder

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coatings to the tube, the tubes themselves, and that's how you get the

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variations in color of that. But they're all sort of under the

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umbrella of a neon tube or neon color. So the two

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different ones. Argon. What. What natural color without any powder is

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Argan. Argon will provide a. A

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yellow tube or a yellow color. Blue,

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green and white, where neon gives you more of

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that red coloring. Is there anything in particular that you can see

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in style or in, I guess, brightness of color? You are someone

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coming through Vegas, and a trained eye could tell the difference between

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possibly one that's historic and one that's brand new. Yeah, so I love

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that. That's a great question. So one of the things I love to take people

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up and down Fremont Street. So Fremont street is really the origin point

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of Las Vegas. Where the Plaza Hotel and Casino stands

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right now. That was where the original train

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station was and really the

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birthplace of the city. So I like to take people there and

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then just kind of walk them up Fremont Street. And one of the things that

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I always encourage people to look for, and it's really

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best seen sort of on the Golden Gate

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Casino, which is right across the street from the Plaza.

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But if you look at the Golden Gate, you're going to see

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these metal rungs that are attached to

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the front of the sign. And if you see the Golden Gate, it

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goes up about, I don't know, 50ft in the air. And it's

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got a series of neon outline and flashing

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bulbs. So the rungs are

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there because some poor schmo had

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to climb up that ladder and change out those light

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bulbs and would be, you know, this is all pre osha, right? So this is.

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This is definitely not the safest act in the world.

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And so as you go through the city and especially Fremont street and look at

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some of these signs. If you see these metal rungs that are sort of

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sticking out that don't really make sense with the sign, it was for maintenance.

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It was totally there so that someone could climb up, change light bulbs.

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If there was damage in some way, they would go through and fix it that

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way. So yes, that's the thing to look for. That sounds amazing. I might

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have to have to make that trip to Vegas and finally visit the museum.

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Come on, come on. We'll show you a good time. Awesome.

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All right, we are coming back. Ayla, very

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nice episode. This was episode 32, about halfway through your

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catalog. You chose this because you really just liked the

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backstory you like you said you've been to Vegas before

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and did you go to the Neon Museum while you were there?

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So I still haven't been able to go. So this was a. Usually my

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episodes are about 30 minutes to an hour long. So there

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was. This was kind of more of a. Some of the highlights from there, but

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I haven't been able to go yet. But when I do, I'm going to be

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giving Aaron a call because that way I can get that behind the scenes

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content. Um, but it is very, very popular for, for

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venues and, and things like that. So sometimes you, you do have to purchase your

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ticket in advance because they sell out quite

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fast. So that's every time I go. I, I don't do it in enough

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time. I like the, the, the, the

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scale of what he was collecting or the museum was collecting.

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250 signs on display and 600

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in. As a. In storage. Like that's, that's a lot

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of signs from Vegas history. That's the case

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unfortunately with a lot of museums is they have so much to

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offer, but really it's just the cost of having a space to showcase it.

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So you're really seeing a small tidbit of what they actually have in their

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history, which is. It's cool because then they can rotate their exhibits, show you new

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things. Very nice. Wise, any takeaways while

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you were listening? It was really good. I was really engaged. It

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was really engaging. Love the way he was going into the story of.

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Of certain. That of the cowboy. And

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then. Yeah, so it's.

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That's one thing. You definitely. You ask some great questions. You,

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you, you, you. You know what you're doing. You, you, you. You're talking

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about stuff you want that you love to talk about museums. And when you

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find that. That topic that. That you're so passionate about,

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it's easy for you. It's not. It's not work. It's more

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as. Okay, I'm having a good time doing this. I'm enjoying asking these questions. These

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are questions I want to know personally. And. And

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so it's. It's very engaging. I. I enjoyed it. I'm

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looking forward to actually listening to the complete episode because I have

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been to Vegas three times, and I will be going

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back. I actually went to Reno a couple

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of months ago, so. Yeah. Oh, that's awesome. You'll definitely have to check him

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out. It's funny because I'm a pit boss in a casino,

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actually. Okay. So you'll recognize

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a lot of their awesome signs. That's fun.

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Yeah. I agree with Wise. You had a great command of the interview, and you

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were literally asking the question I was thinking about.

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So you kept steering the interview in the right direction. I

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thought that just your control and the questions that you had

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were very well thought out. Are those things that you're researching ahead of time,

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or are you coming up with those as the conversation

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develops? It's both. I definitely have, like, a baseline of questions

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that I want to ask. I look over their website, see if they have anything

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in particular that really stands out. But one of the best things

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about museum people is anybody who agrees to come on my show

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and wants to be interviewed, they're already extreme nerds in

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that topic, and they're already really passionate. So if it's.

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They make it really easy on me because even if I, like, if I don't

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care about trains, I'm like, oh, they're mode of transportation. But then you talk to

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somebody who is just visibly excited about everything. Train.

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It's very infectious. So it makes it really easy to get engaged

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and ask those kind of questions. They. They make it easy for me, honestly.

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We have a model railroad train Museum about 20 minutes away from us,

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and they have a big display. Oh, do you ever,

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yeah. If you ever, ever near the Pittsburgh area. I

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know you said Hagerstown is only four hours away from Pittsburgh.

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We have Andy Warhol and the model railroad train museum.

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There's like a thousand other museums here too. So,

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Ayla, we get to the nerve wracking part of the show. Everybody,

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let's get those votes cast in menti.com type in that

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eight digit code or scan the QR code.

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Give everybody one more minute. I'll pull up the website one more time. Connect with

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Ayla, listen to the other podcasts, other 59

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podcasts about museums.

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Curatorschoicepodcast.com you if you liked what you heard

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tonight, there's more episodes waiting for you there or probably anywhere you get

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your podcast. That's what most people say nowadays. So Ayla,

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are you ready for the

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scores? I'm ready. Let's do it. Here we go. Let's

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go over to the feedback for the show and you're coming in

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overall at 8.6, which is very good. That's awesome. That's where we're

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looking at. And some of the things that you kind of preface sometimes you maybe

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you've influenced the audience a little bit, but you mentioned that the audio quality

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isn't exactly what you'd like for your host or for your

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guest. You know, that came in a little bit lower. Kind of like kind of

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hinted to that to us behind the stage before we went live tonight.

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So you called that 1 7.9. But what's really nice about the

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scoring is if you look behind the the dot where the audio

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quality 7.9, you can kind of see the spread of how all the

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votes came in. You had seven different people voting for you tonight

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and the spread, you know, looks like most people settled right around

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8. So overall 8 out of 10 isn't bad. Yeah,

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this is an awesome way to display the data too. This is great. And

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then engaging host, I think Wise and I both agree here,

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phenomenal job. You kept us interested. Your passion about learning

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about the museum I think really kept everything

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engaging and moving along. Nerd power. We're

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such nerds getting nerds together and then we just nerd out, you know,

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unite. Yes. And the quality of

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content was great. I think, I think I didn't even know

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there was a Vegas Viki. So I mean, I was in from the start as

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00:27:55,836 --> 00:27:58,880
well. That was news to me.

459
00:28:00,380 --> 00:28:04,068
The content matching expectation, that's one that really comes

460
00:28:04,124 --> 00:28:07,316
up to you set the stage and you delivered on it. A lot of times

461
00:28:07,388 --> 00:28:10,772
what we're Looking for. There is. People have a podcast,

462
00:28:10,836 --> 00:28:14,052
maybe, you know, let's say the curator's choice is about

463
00:28:14,076 --> 00:28:17,892
museums, but then they spend the first 20 minutes talking about their trip to the

464
00:28:17,996 --> 00:28:21,812
grocery store. Right. That's. There's a misalignment there. People came to

465
00:28:21,836 --> 00:28:25,610
see stories about museums, and you're talking about your grocery store trip. So,

466
00:28:25,650 --> 00:28:28,602
I mean, you were. You were on point with your messaging. You told us what

467
00:28:28,626 --> 00:28:32,282
you're going to tell us, and then you told us, and then production quality 8.3

468
00:28:32,306 --> 00:28:35,990
is still a strong score in the eights. Again,

469
00:28:36,530 --> 00:28:40,026
recording, you know, when you're not in the same room, when you're recording over

470
00:28:40,098 --> 00:28:43,898
zoom or through a streaming service like we're doing tonight, there are things,

471
00:28:43,954 --> 00:28:47,590
but you're all leaning towards, you know, the best in class.

472
00:28:48,130 --> 00:28:51,850
Like you said, the audio quality and the production quality were kind of where you,

473
00:28:51,890 --> 00:28:55,458
I think, fell probably where you were expecting. Now, after

474
00:28:55,514 --> 00:28:58,790
seeing these, how do you feel about seeing the scores?

475
00:28:59,450 --> 00:29:03,122
Honestly, I feel a lot better. So this episode I chose

476
00:29:03,186 --> 00:29:06,882
specifically, as I was mentioning to you guys before, is because. And

477
00:29:06,906 --> 00:29:10,114
I'm sure that a lot of the listeners can understand this, when you're an editor,

478
00:29:10,162 --> 00:29:12,630
you are incredibly harsh

479
00:29:13,690 --> 00:29:17,410
on the audio quality side. And this episode for me

480
00:29:17,450 --> 00:29:21,244
was one where I felt the content was incredible, but the audio quality

481
00:29:21,402 --> 00:29:24,696
was not. Not my. Not the best that I've

482
00:29:24,728 --> 00:29:28,568
had. My guest was having some issues, which we can all relate to, right?

483
00:29:28,624 --> 00:29:32,456
Oh, yeah. But it was so good that I didn't want to not publish

484
00:29:32,488 --> 00:29:35,880
it. So I worked on tweaking the audio as much as I could without making

485
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,672
him sound like a robot. And this was really comforting

486
00:29:39,736 --> 00:29:43,512
to me, actually, to see that this still scored so highly because you are

487
00:29:43,536 --> 00:29:46,184
your own worst critic. And so when I'm going through and I was listening to

488
00:29:46,192 --> 00:29:49,736
this, I was expecting everybody to be like, this audio is so bad, I can't

489
00:29:49,768 --> 00:29:53,404
listen to it. So it makes me feel a lot better

490
00:29:53,572 --> 00:29:57,260
that it's not. It's not a 2 that I was expecting. I think people

491
00:29:57,300 --> 00:30:00,876
will be more lenient on the audio quality when it's a guest. Like,

492
00:30:00,948 --> 00:30:04,716
your audio quality was solid. You sounded great. You could probably boost

493
00:30:04,748 --> 00:30:08,380
your levels a little bit, but overall, your quality was

494
00:30:08,420 --> 00:30:12,220
fine. When you have a guest, somebody phoning in

495
00:30:12,260 --> 00:30:16,028
or calling in, it's a gray area how good

496
00:30:16,084 --> 00:30:18,332
their quality needs to be. You want it to be as best as you can

497
00:30:18,356 --> 00:30:21,980
make it. I do think most people are gonna be a little more lenient

498
00:30:22,140 --> 00:30:25,520
on the guest versus a host. Yeah. Because it's.

499
00:30:25,860 --> 00:30:29,436
You you would expect us to come in with much more better quality because we've

500
00:30:29,468 --> 00:30:32,764
been doing this. As far as the guests that they're just bringing

501
00:30:32,812 --> 00:30:36,460
earbuds and, and whatever mic that they have. Not

502
00:30:36,500 --> 00:30:40,012
everybody, not everyone has a professional microphone at

503
00:30:40,036 --> 00:30:42,480
home. So it's understandable.

504
00:30:44,180 --> 00:30:47,160
I've had some really crappy guests with some

505
00:30:47,590 --> 00:30:50,970
horrible mics, and you just do what you have to do

506
00:30:51,670 --> 00:30:55,454
to. To boost up the quality, to try to improve the sound. Whatever you

507
00:30:55,462 --> 00:30:58,990
can take out, whatever noise, extra noise you can take. It's work.

508
00:30:59,110 --> 00:31:02,350
And that's one thing. Editing

509
00:31:02,430 --> 00:31:05,770
podcasts, I've learned that it is a lot of work.

510
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:09,918
So I know what it is to sit there and. And I.

511
00:31:09,974 --> 00:31:13,002
And even now when I watch interviews on TV

512
00:31:13,166 --> 00:31:16,882
and you're like, okay, yeah, he's stuttering there or

513
00:31:16,906 --> 00:31:20,754
he's doing this or he took a breath there, or it's a bunch of the

514
00:31:20,762 --> 00:31:24,194
exact same thing. Yeah, it's so much different things now

515
00:31:24,362 --> 00:31:28,030
as. Especially when you listen to audio so much

516
00:31:28,410 --> 00:31:32,258
that you're already like, ah, that kind of cringe is there.

517
00:31:32,314 --> 00:31:35,362
There's sometimes when I'm. Even when I go back to listen some of my

518
00:31:35,386 --> 00:31:39,122
episodes and I. And for some reason my mic might

519
00:31:39,146 --> 00:31:42,674
just jump up and then the violin goes up. It's things that you can't control.

520
00:31:42,842 --> 00:31:46,660
It happens. But

521
00:31:46,780 --> 00:31:50,548
overall, your quality is amazing. Your quality I have no problems with.

522
00:31:50,604 --> 00:31:53,840
You sound great. Awesome. And so it was good.

523
00:31:54,380 --> 00:31:57,172
Awesome. It is like that too. When you listen, you know, you go back to

524
00:31:57,196 --> 00:32:00,628
some of your very first episodes and you listen to them and you're

525
00:32:00,644 --> 00:32:04,452
like, oh, should I even keep this published on

526
00:32:04,476 --> 00:32:08,228
here? But it's great because you can also see like the progression in your.

527
00:32:08,364 --> 00:32:11,932
Yeah, and that was my thing was my nephew, when we first

528
00:32:11,956 --> 00:32:15,388
released, when I first released, stuck in my mind, he was like, nah, we can't

529
00:32:15,404 --> 00:32:18,396
release it, we gotta record. When I said it was just five minutes, it wasn't

530
00:32:18,428 --> 00:32:22,012
that long. I was like, no, but. Because I want people to see the

531
00:32:22,036 --> 00:32:25,676
progression from where I started to where I'm at now, where

532
00:32:25,748 --> 00:32:29,580
the quality of my audio is so much better now than it was when

533
00:32:29,620 --> 00:32:33,148
I first started. But that goes with time. That goes

534
00:32:33,164 --> 00:32:36,892
with. When you continuously record, you

535
00:32:36,916 --> 00:32:40,462
find your settings, you find where you want your mic to be

536
00:32:40,486 --> 00:32:44,302
at, where to place it at. Exactly. Far from your

537
00:32:44,326 --> 00:32:47,530
face. And all you learn how to, to.

538
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:51,422
To maneuver around this. So. And that's how. And that's how

539
00:32:51,446 --> 00:32:54,330
you. That's how you improve is by only

540
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:58,750
just doing the. Continuously doing it. Same with

541
00:32:58,790 --> 00:33:02,558
interviewing. I'M sure you guys have this exact same experience too, but you really

542
00:33:02,614 --> 00:33:06,442
learn how to interview people because at first, you know, it. I was horrible.

543
00:33:06,506 --> 00:33:09,578
Yeah, yeah, the same. I would be like, okay, I'm gonna count to five, and

544
00:33:09,634 --> 00:33:13,098
after five, we're gonna start the interview. And like that. What, that's

545
00:33:13,114 --> 00:33:16,826
exactly what you don't do. Because then all of a sudden they're like, any calm

546
00:33:16,858 --> 00:33:20,698
that you created and camaraderie is gone. Because they're like, oh, I'm recording now.

547
00:33:20,754 --> 00:33:24,522
And so, yes, it's, it's just, it's a big learning experience. So

548
00:33:24,546 --> 00:33:28,270
if anybody does go back and listen to some of my first episodes.

549
00:33:28,690 --> 00:33:32,344
You gotta even learn how to control the, the,

550
00:33:32,512 --> 00:33:36,216
the show is. I've, I've learned how to, I've

551
00:33:36,248 --> 00:33:37,460
had to learn to

552
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,820
just know when it's time to go to the next question

553
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,032
and, and learn how to make sure that I keep. Keep my

554
00:33:47,056 --> 00:33:50,536
show within a certain time frame. So, yeah,

555
00:33:50,568 --> 00:33:54,056
because when I first started, I was doing hour or so

556
00:33:54,208 --> 00:33:57,912
long shows. I don't need that. People don't want to sit down and listen to

557
00:33:57,936 --> 00:34:01,780
me for an hour. Let's do 30 minutes, 30, 35 minutes.

558
00:34:01,860 --> 00:34:04,560
And keep it simple. And yeah, and,

559
00:34:05,340 --> 00:34:07,920
and yeah. So I've learned to really

560
00:34:09,340 --> 00:34:12,852
condense it to really. And that, that comes with time and

561
00:34:12,876 --> 00:34:16,564
experience. Because now you're like, okay, when you're first starting, you

562
00:34:16,652 --> 00:34:20,340
getting all the hiccups out of the way, you're learning everything. You, you're learning that

563
00:34:20,380 --> 00:34:23,652
I don't need to do an hour. I can do 35, 40 minutes I can

564
00:34:23,676 --> 00:34:26,320
do. So it's all a learning process.

565
00:34:27,590 --> 00:34:31,198
Yeah. One thing I always say, you hear this from comedians or public

566
00:34:31,254 --> 00:34:35,054
speakers, that hosting is a muscle. And like any muscle, you

567
00:34:35,062 --> 00:34:38,814
have to strengthen it. And the more you do it, the stronger that muscle gets.

568
00:34:38,862 --> 00:34:42,574
The more times you interview, the more reps you do, the more guests

569
00:34:42,622 --> 00:34:46,270
that you have on your show, you'll become a better and better host. Like,

570
00:34:46,390 --> 00:34:50,126
I rarely do the ums and the. Huh. It drives

571
00:34:50,158 --> 00:34:52,849
me if I did it, it would drive me nuts if I did it. So

572
00:34:52,889 --> 00:34:56,641
I, I recently I've been saying things and then ending the sentence with right.

573
00:34:56,745 --> 00:34:59,873
Like if you were going to do that, right. Like I keep saying right at

574
00:34:59,881 --> 00:35:03,729
the end of sentences. And that's, that's something that I've learned to

575
00:35:03,769 --> 00:35:07,377
not do anymore because I've, I've done this so many

576
00:35:07,433 --> 00:35:11,089
times, I can just keep talking without thinking about what I'm saying

577
00:35:11,129 --> 00:35:14,961
and the conversation continues because that's all I Do because I'm hosting and I

578
00:35:14,985 --> 00:35:18,047
know what, what to say next. See, that was just me

579
00:35:18,193 --> 00:35:22,020
talking. Mine is. Mine was. And so that was

580
00:35:22,060 --> 00:35:25,204
my, that was my right at the beginning of any

581
00:35:25,292 --> 00:35:29,092
sentence. And so, and so now whenever I hear that just like

582
00:35:29,116 --> 00:35:32,404
right then I'm. Like, you pull back and you like, hey, we're not going to

583
00:35:32,412 --> 00:35:35,840
do this anymore. I don't say, I don't do the uhhuh and the.

584
00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:40,084
All right, Ayla. My favorite part of the night, one that usually

585
00:35:40,132 --> 00:35:43,738
surprises most people and we have the most fun uncovering

586
00:35:43,884 --> 00:35:47,550
is the stream of conscious word cloud. So we

587
00:35:47,590 --> 00:35:50,990
had seven votes come in and let's see. And now this one is

588
00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:54,670
unlimited. So people can continually add words as

589
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:58,542
they get inspired by your show. Let's go to the word

590
00:35:58,606 --> 00:36:01,998
cloud. Looks like five people kept putting in 29

591
00:36:02,054 --> 00:36:05,758
responses. And let's see what some of the things that people

592
00:36:05,814 --> 00:36:09,502
said. That was me. 600 signs in storage. I already gave that one

593
00:36:09,526 --> 00:36:12,676
away. I love Fecal Museum. Fecal

594
00:36:12,708 --> 00:36:16,292
Museum. Great conversation, history,

595
00:36:16,396 --> 00:36:20,068
informative, entertaining. So the, the bigger the words, the more

596
00:36:20,124 --> 00:36:23,492
times that other people have used them. So, you know, entertaining and

597
00:36:23,516 --> 00:36:27,300
informative popped up a couple times. A couple people use that. I see

598
00:36:27,340 --> 00:36:31,012
engaging in there. I think Aaron Burr. That wasn't his

599
00:36:31,036 --> 00:36:34,480
name, was it? Aaron, what was your guest name?

600
00:36:34,860 --> 00:36:38,686
Oh, Aaron Berger. Berger. Not. Not to be confused

601
00:36:38,718 --> 00:36:42,526
with Aaron Burr. Educational was in there.

602
00:36:42,598 --> 00:36:46,222
Great questions, good energy. The

603
00:36:46,246 --> 00:36:49,130
Vegas signs must be lit. We learned that in this show.

604
00:36:49,590 --> 00:36:52,490
Vegas Vicky is taken. I love that one.

605
00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:56,606
You can't marry Vegas Vic. Married Vegas Vicky.

606
00:36:56,718 --> 00:37:00,446
Uh, neon signs. Uh, engaging host. There's

607
00:37:00,478 --> 00:37:04,302
another one of those engaging hosts. Um, the

608
00:37:04,326 --> 00:37:07,998
Vegas Vic Lights out. So these are good energy.

609
00:37:08,054 --> 00:37:11,822
There's a good energy on there as well. These are

610
00:37:11,846 --> 00:37:15,630
a lot of fun. What do you. Now you're seeing some of the inspiration people

611
00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:19,438
took from the show. What do you think of some of the words you're seeing?

612
00:37:19,614 --> 00:37:23,102
I love it. I, yeah, I, I'm super happy to find out that it

613
00:37:23,126 --> 00:37:26,590
isn't entertaining because, you know, you always feel

614
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:30,302
like who really wants to hear what I'm, you know, talking about and

615
00:37:30,326 --> 00:37:33,646
bringing to the table, especially when you're beginning podcasting. So

616
00:37:33,718 --> 00:37:37,504
it's really great to hear that that was entertaining for people because

617
00:37:37,592 --> 00:37:41,216
it's easy to be. I will give a lot of credit to listeners as well

618
00:37:41,288 --> 00:37:45,072
because it's easier to be entertained and engaged when it's a one on

619
00:37:45,096 --> 00:37:48,400
one and you're actually having the conversation. I feel like it's a whole nother thing

620
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,288
to be able to be a listener and still find it engaging. And

621
00:37:52,424 --> 00:37:56,032
so that's, that's really wonderful feedback. So

622
00:37:56,056 --> 00:37:59,568
glad you enjoyed it. We're so glad to have you here tonight. Ayla

623
00:37:59,584 --> 00:38:03,106
Anderson Sparks the Curator's Choice Podcast.

624
00:38:03,288 --> 00:38:07,022
Anything you'd like to leave on a high note or just tell people how to

625
00:38:07,046 --> 00:38:10,670
connect with you and reach out to you. Just thank you all

626
00:38:10,710 --> 00:38:14,462
for participating. And if you like history, you're

627
00:38:14,526 --> 00:38:18,350
a history nerd or a museum lover, please just check out the

628
00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:20,814
podcast. Awesome.

629
00:38:20,862 --> 00:38:24,622
CreatorsChoicePodcast.com we'll have these all linked up in the show notes for those

630
00:38:24,646 --> 00:38:27,330
of you listening on audio wise,

631
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,900
anything you'd like to plug, promote, talk about.

632
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,784
Check Check out my latest episode of Stuck in My Mind podcast. I had

633
00:38:35,952 --> 00:38:38,900
the amazing Jesse Torres on. She was

634
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,208
she has an amazing story, talks about being

635
00:38:43,264 --> 00:38:46,648
abused as a child and the murder of her two brothers.

636
00:38:46,744 --> 00:38:50,440
And it was a great conversation and I really

637
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enjoyed it. So definitely check out the latest episode of Sucking My Mind podcast

638
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on all major platforms as well as Sucking my mind

639
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