1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,760 Welcome to the We Are More podcast. 2 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:15,600 My name is Alyssa. 3 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:16,600 And my name's Bri. 4 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,600 We're two sisters passionate about all things faith and feminism. 5 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:25,520 We believe that Jesus trusted, respected, and encouraged women to teach and preach His 6 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:26,520 word. 7 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:28,720 And apparently that's controversial. 8 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:33,720 Get comfy. 9 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,120 Hello everybody. 10 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:37,920 Hello world. 11 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:42,240 Welcome to Live on Locations. 12 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:44,840 Brianna and Alyssa, but Alyssa has the plague. 13 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,200 Also, we're not live in any way. 14 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:49,800 I'm alive. 15 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:51,360 I don't know that I am. 16 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:52,360 You're not. 17 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:56,360 So if you've noticed a little bit of a change in our social media. 18 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,520 It may be lacking. 19 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:04,840 This week, the plague took over my whole body. 20 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:05,840 Just yours. 21 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:06,840 Just mine. 22 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:11,160 I was in the ER twice this week for a couple of different things. 23 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:15,120 But one of which, interestingly, was pneumonia. 24 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,440 Which we have established is a new name of a demon. 25 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,120 I mean, at this point, probably. 26 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:25,120 I don't like, I feel like old people get pneumonia. 27 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:26,120 No. 28 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,160 You are old. 29 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,900 Shut up. 30 00:01:30,900 --> 00:01:34,800 So that's why we've been a little bit less present. 31 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:39,400 And frankly, I'm still, you know, on the verge of death at any moment. 32 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:44,380 I've discovered a good way of engaging on the social medias is just reposting other 33 00:01:44,380 --> 00:01:45,380 people's posts. 34 00:01:45,380 --> 00:01:46,380 That sounds great. 35 00:01:46,380 --> 00:01:47,380 I've been doing a ton of that. 36 00:01:47,380 --> 00:01:52,680 If you're like, why do I have 17 notifications from this feminist podcast about them reposting 37 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:54,860 every video they've ever seen in their life? 38 00:01:54,860 --> 00:01:57,240 That was me at nine o'clock last night. 39 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:58,240 I'm sorry. 40 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,920 Bree's been holding things together for us. 41 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:02,360 But not well. 42 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:06,120 But together, though. 43 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:10,520 Just because Frankenstein looked like a monster doesn't mean he wasn't together. 44 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:11,520 I think. 45 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,200 What are you trying to call me? 46 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:18,480 I was going to make an analogy about a bad bra. 47 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:19,480 Oh no. 48 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,720 Bree, I can't laugh that hard. 49 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:23,720 The cough is coming. 50 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:24,840 It's in the back of my throat. 51 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:25,840 The plague. 52 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:26,840 The plague. 53 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:31,640 So today is going to be a way shorter episode. 54 00:02:31,640 --> 00:02:37,560 I know you just want to hear our voices and know that we're semi alive and present. 55 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:44,300 So what we're going to do is talk about TikTok. 56 00:02:44,300 --> 00:02:45,560 And also a book that I bought. 57 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:46,560 Oh, yeah. 58 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:47,560 That I'm very excited about. 59 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:48,560 Yeah. 60 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,560 So really, we're just chatting about a whole lot of hot garbage. 61 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:54,280 And we hope you're excited about that. 62 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:55,280 Yeah. 63 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:56,280 Welcome. 64 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:57,280 Get comfy. 65 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:58,280 Put on some... 66 00:02:58,280 --> 00:02:59,280 Take off your bra. 67 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:00,280 You know, take off your bra. 68 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:01,280 Sit down. 69 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:05,720 Let the freak flag wave. 70 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:07,360 And by that I'm talking about your boobs. 71 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:08,360 Thank you. 72 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:14,160 I actually went to my therapist today and I was like, she was like, so what's your next 73 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:15,160 episode about? 74 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:20,800 Because I told her we just finished our Bathshiba series, which was extensive. 75 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,160 And she goes, so what are you doing the next one about? 76 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,320 And I was like, like TikTok. 77 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:32,080 I was like, no one's having a spiritual transformation today. 78 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:33,880 Just prepare yourself. 79 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:35,800 Sometimes we just need to rest. 80 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:36,800 Yes. 81 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,040 This is, let me tell you, this is the week of rest. 82 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,680 I have barely pulled it together. 83 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:44,040 I can attest to that. 84 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:45,040 Yeah. 85 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:46,980 She's not together now. 86 00:03:46,980 --> 00:03:49,160 So jumping right in. 87 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:56,200 Alyssa and I do this thing where we just send each other feminist TikToks and reels 88 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,400 back and forth all the time. 89 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:03,160 But also what I do is from my personal TikTok, I will send it to the podcast TikTok so I 90 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,200 can then repost it from the podcast. 91 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:11,320 I always, I never even bother to look at them because I assume you're like gonna reference 92 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:12,600 this for yourself later. 93 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:13,600 Oh yeah. 94 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:14,600 I do that. 95 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:15,600 It is something that I do. 96 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:19,400 Oh, I want to make a point also that we are currently recording. 97 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,040 So we've been at my mom's house, at our mom's house. 98 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:23,660 No, just yours. 99 00:04:23,660 --> 00:04:30,680 For the last like week or so because I'm passing on and you know, need that assistance. 100 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:36,960 And we are currently recording in our childhood bedroom. 101 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:38,680 And it is bubblegum pink. 102 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:40,160 Let me just show you that much. 103 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,240 Fairies along the border. 104 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:44,240 Bubblegum pink. 105 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,800 And traces of my feet from the ceiling. 106 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,080 There's glow in the dark stars up there. 107 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:51,480 Many things are happening. 108 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,880 So lots of throwbacks for Alyssa and Brianna today. 109 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:56,760 We definitely destroyed this room. 110 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:57,760 We did. 111 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,800 And it's really frozen in time. 112 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:07,400 So where my bed was I'm looking at right now, in the corner of the wall I had taken these 113 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:13,840 like foam stickers for some reason of monkeys and bananas and put them like every other 114 00:05:13,840 --> 00:05:14,840 one. 115 00:05:14,840 --> 00:05:16,120 So monkey, banana, monkey, banana. 116 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:17,800 All the way from the ceiling to the floor. 117 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,320 And now there's this residue of brown gook. 118 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,640 And it's been there for probably what? 119 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:25,640 15 years? 120 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:27,920 It's been there a long time. 121 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:28,920 Yeah. 122 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,080 And then we sharpie down the wall a couple places. 123 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:33,080 Everywhere. 124 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:34,080 It's weird. 125 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:35,080 Terrible. 126 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,080 We were destructive. 127 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:38,080 Yeah. 128 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:39,080 Yeah. 129 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,840 We always criticize Brandon for like hanging stuff up. 130 00:05:41,840 --> 00:05:44,560 Our brother, his wall was terrifying. 131 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,720 His room was terrifying. 132 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,120 But I feel like maybe we were worse. 133 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:52,120 Sorry Brandon. 134 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:53,120 No, I'm not. 135 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:54,120 Brandon, you deserve that. 136 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:58,960 So back to TikTok. 137 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:00,800 Back to TikTok. 138 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,800 Some of the more recent trends I've been seeing lately. 139 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:04,800 Hilarious. 140 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:11,400 It says, letting men know I'm not an easy target when I'm on, when I'm on. 141 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:16,800 And we thought I was going to be the problem today. 142 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:18,680 I can't breathe. 143 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:19,880 I can't. 144 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:21,880 When I'm on a walk. 145 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:23,600 All right. 146 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:25,920 Just start the whole sentence over again. 147 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,800 Letting men know I'm not an easy target when I'm on a walk. 148 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:30,800 There we go. 149 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,760 She got it, folks. 150 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:39,000 So it's like girls on the phone or, you know, on their headphones or something talking while 151 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:43,200 they're hiking or doing a run. 152 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,440 Just so like, especially if you're alone. 153 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:50,320 And it's just funny, like this girl's on the phone and she goes, my doctor told me to stop 154 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,800 eating Tide Pods, but they're so good. 155 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:59,520 But to me, it's just ridiculous that that even has to be a thing. 156 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:05,800 That girls have to come up with clever ways to make sure that they're safe. 157 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:07,360 And it's a joke, but it's not a joke. 158 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:08,360 It's not a joke. 159 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:09,360 It's not a joke. 160 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:15,600 Actually, a couple of years ago, not far from us, a woman that was just taking a walk through 161 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,320 like a semi populated area. 162 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:24,360 You know, she was kind of in the back wooded area, but semi populated area. 163 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,680 And she was murdered. 164 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:28,800 Just taking a walk. 165 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:34,000 They say something like if you're a single woman or you live alone, whatever. 166 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:38,520 Something that you should do is get like big, heavy, large construction boots that look 167 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:46,840 like worn by a man and leave them somewhere noticeable, like outside your front door and 168 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,240 get a mannequin or something to keep in your passenger seat or whatever. 169 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,960 So it just appears that you're not alone. 170 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:53,960 Right. 171 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:54,960 Ridiculous. 172 00:07:54,960 --> 00:08:01,480 Well, it's the same thing as they say if you're out at a bar and a man is harassing you and 173 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:02,960 won't leave you alone. 174 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,640 You can say a million times over, I'm not interested. 175 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:06,640 No thank you. 176 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,560 Leave me alone. 177 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:15,640 And he will, not everyone, but oftentimes women experience where men continually won't 178 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:19,460 leave them alone despite the fact that no is a full sentence. 179 00:08:19,460 --> 00:08:26,720 But if you say, I have a boyfriend, you're much more likely to have that man back off 180 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,520 because men have more respect for another man that they've never met. 181 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,560 As opposed to the woman that's standing right in front of them. 182 00:08:33,560 --> 00:08:37,560 And I think that's what a lot of that plays back into. 183 00:08:37,560 --> 00:08:42,400 Well, it reminds me of that, I think that we've said this before, but you know that 184 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:49,080 scene from Pride and Prejudice where Mr. Collins is proposing to Lizzie and she says no. 185 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:53,120 And she says it as polite as she can, but she says no. 186 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,240 And he's like, oh, silly women. 187 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:02,600 I know that you often say no when you mean to say yes. 188 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,760 So I'm excited to propose to you again or something. 189 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,680 I forget what he says, but she goes again like, I said no. 190 00:09:09,680 --> 00:09:12,800 And it takes him a while to get it through his thick skull. 191 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:17,740 I think we've taught men that like, oh, it's the chase. 192 00:09:17,740 --> 00:09:21,300 Women like you to chase after them, blah, blah, blah. 193 00:09:21,300 --> 00:09:27,760 But what hasn't been taken into account in that statement and that sentiment is not every 194 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,500 woman wants you to chase them, first of all. 195 00:09:30,500 --> 00:09:35,000 And second of all, we have to be scared of you now. 196 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:36,000 Right. 197 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:42,080 Well, how often are we telling girls that a boy likes you if he teases you? 198 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,080 If he pulls your hair. 199 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,400 Or antagonizes you. 200 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:50,160 So it teaches men too, like, oh, do you want to show her that you like her? 201 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,680 Oh, torture her a little bit. 202 00:09:52,680 --> 00:09:53,680 Yeah. 203 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:59,560 And it goes all the way back to taking a walk. 204 00:09:59,560 --> 00:10:02,360 Taking a walk, eating Tide Pods. 205 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,160 Maybe you should bring some Tide Pods along. 206 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:06,160 Snack on them as you go. 207 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,160 Because Tide Pods make me stronger. 208 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:13,880 All right, Brie, on to the next TikTok. 209 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:15,880 On to the next one. 210 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:17,500 Which one should I talk about? 211 00:10:17,500 --> 00:10:19,080 This one I thought was good. 212 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,320 To make yourself small, quiet, and easy to swallow. 213 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,680 They said your fire was too much. 214 00:10:24,680 --> 00:10:26,800 That your desires were too wild. 215 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,720 That you should be ashamed of the hunger in your soul. 216 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,160 But here's the truth they won't tell you. 217 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:36,480 The world fears women who know what they want. 218 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,560 They fear women who refuse to play by the rules. 219 00:10:39,560 --> 00:10:43,640 Who aren't afraid to burn everything down just to feel alive. 220 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,280 You were never meant to fit in their little box. 221 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,240 You were born to shatter it. 222 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:53,240 They want you tamed because they can't handle the storm that's inside you. 223 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,760 But why should you apologize for being powerful? 224 00:10:55,760 --> 00:11:01,480 For wanting more than a life of empty smiles and shallow conversations? 225 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:07,840 You deserve to be wild, to be unruly, to take up space unapologetically. 226 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,320 Stop dimming your light for people who can't handle your shine. 227 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,320 Remember this. 228 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:17,920 The ones who fear your power will always try to silence it. 229 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,440 But your voice was never meant to be quiet. 230 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:28,080 I saw this and then I posted something that said like, take up space unapologetically. 231 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:34,520 And it reminded me of, I think your pastor's wife had mentioned something about that when 232 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:36,480 I was at your church one Sunday. 233 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:40,840 She's like, quit apologizing for taking up any amount of space. 234 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:42,040 And that's so true too. 235 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:45,720 How often are women trying to make themselves smaller? 236 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,480 And I'm not just talking about physically. 237 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:55,360 I'm talking about how much energy you put into something or how much joy you have about 238 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,040 something. 239 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:58,560 Your passion for something. 240 00:11:58,560 --> 00:12:04,800 You're always trying to stomp it out a little bit because you don't want to be too much. 241 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:05,800 Right. 242 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:11,800 It reminds me of, there was a, when we were younger, there was a trendy sticker that people 243 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,120 like, I remember seeing it on the back of cars and whatever. 244 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:15,120 Baby on board? 245 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:16,120 No. 246 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:17,120 Not that one. 247 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:18,120 Oh, no. 248 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:24,040 It was like, well-behaved women rarely make history. 249 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:25,520 It was, it was all over the place. 250 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:31,840 And I remember our mom did not like that because she was like, well, you can be well-behaved 251 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:37,200 and still, still be important, still, you know, have an impact or whatever. 252 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:47,040 And I think when you pull that whole thing apart, would you ever say well-behaved men? 253 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,440 Would that ever be a phrase you would even hear? 254 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:53,920 No, because there's not a way that men are supposed to behave. 255 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:59,280 There's not an expectation of well-behaved men. 256 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,240 Because what a childish thing to say. 257 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:02,240 Yeah. 258 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:03,240 I'm not well-behaved. 259 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:04,240 I'm a grownup. 260 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,240 I behave as I wish. 261 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:13,440 And yet for women, there's this concept of well-behaved. 262 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:14,800 Do what you're told. 263 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:15,800 Yeah. 264 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:17,480 The proper sort of woman. 265 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:18,480 Yes. 266 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:24,240 Someone that's smaller, someone that's not intimidating, someone whose feet are the right 267 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:31,120 size and whose features are small and you know, whatever, like that really stereotypical 268 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:32,120 tiny little woman. 269 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,000 And I mean, I say this as a five foot tall woman, okay? 270 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:36,800 Like I'm the little person. 271 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:41,480 Google says it's Pulitzer Prize winning historian Laurel Thatcher Ulrich. 272 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,240 Oh, there we go. 273 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:44,240 Thanks Laurel. 274 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:45,240 Thanks Laurel. 275 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:46,240 It's a good quote. 276 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:52,560 But I, and you know, we've talked a lot about how Bree and I and our mom have been on like 277 00:13:52,560 --> 00:13:54,240 a feminist journey. 278 00:13:54,240 --> 00:14:00,520 So I think that this reaction to that phrase has really turned around. 279 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:07,440 But it's so interesting as you pull it apart and look at the deeper meaning of it. 280 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,700 Well-behaved women. 281 00:14:10,700 --> 00:14:16,160 Women that have decided to live in the box we've been told to live in are unlikely to 282 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,840 make history. 283 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,360 Don't make waves. 284 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:22,920 Stay in line. 285 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:26,360 I think there's a song there. 286 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:34,320 The women who stepped apart from the crowd who let their passions and their loves and 287 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:39,240 their dislikes be as loud as they wanted to and kept going. 288 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:45,560 Well, and we've said this before about the podcast too about how we look at feminism 289 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:47,480 from a religious perspective. 290 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,120 That's what we do here. 291 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:54,920 If this is your first episode, sorry, this is a little weird. 292 00:14:54,920 --> 00:15:02,320 But as a rule, we look at things from a biblical perspective and how feminism is totally in 293 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:03,320 there. 294 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:04,320 Kind of loudly. 295 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:05,520 Very loudly. 296 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:12,680 But we've had people say, why can't you believe what you believe quieter? 297 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:14,120 Can't you just shut up about it? 298 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,160 Can't you just stop talking about it? 299 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:23,600 Because it lights a fire in our butt or our stomach, wherever you want the fire to be. 300 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:28,680 At the moment, the fire's in my throat and my lungs. 301 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:29,680 And it's everywhere. 302 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:30,680 That's what pneumonia is? 303 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:35,160 Yeah, fire in your lungs is what it is. 304 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:39,600 No, but it all goes back to that phrase. 305 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:46,160 If we walk away quietly, then we're allowing other women to sit in what I think is a pile 306 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:47,960 of garbage. 307 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:53,160 A literal pile of hot steaming poop. 308 00:15:53,160 --> 00:16:04,080 Whereas if we walk away loudly and we say, look, that's crap. 309 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,520 It's not biblical. 310 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,380 You don't need to be a tiny submissive wife. 311 00:16:09,380 --> 00:16:11,920 You don't need to listen to every word your husband says. 312 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:16,000 You don't need to worry about- You don't need to be a wife at all. 313 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,160 You don't need to worry about the patriarchy. 314 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,640 You can just say no. 315 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,600 You are enough. 316 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:30,040 If we say that loud enough, then maybe one or two people will hear it. 317 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:36,080 And I think we've gotten really positive responses on TikTok lately, which I'm really happy about. 318 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,000 We've gotten a couple of weirdos out there. 319 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:39,880 I'm looking at you out there. 320 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,680 Actually, I'm looking at one comment we got today in particular. 321 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:44,040 Oh, I haven't looked at it. 322 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,440 But yeah, join the club. 323 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:47,440 You're more. 324 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:53,240 You're more than what society and culture and patriarchy and misogyny has told you you 325 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,320 are. 326 00:16:55,320 --> 00:17:00,120 And I also want to say this might feel random, but it doesn't feel random to me and it's 327 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,840 my podcast, so I'm gonna say what I want. 328 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:08,520 Misogyny and patriarchy do not reflect the love of God. 329 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:10,960 They never reflected the love of God. 330 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,600 They were never part of the plan. 331 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:15,100 It's not good. 332 00:17:15,100 --> 00:17:17,160 Say it one more time for the people in the back. 333 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,160 Let me just- Hey, hey. 334 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,640 We're talking to you. 335 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:30,960 At no point did patriarchy, male headship, male leadership, men being superior to women 336 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:38,200 in any tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny way, at no point was that reflective of God's perfect 337 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:39,920 plan for his people. 338 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:43,040 At no point was it reflective of Christ's love. 339 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,880 I just- You know what? 340 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:47,480 Let's end the podcast there. 341 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,240 19 minutes in, we're out. 342 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:50,240 We're done. 343 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:51,240 See you, bye. 344 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,000 That's all that needed to be said. 345 00:17:54,000 --> 00:18:00,320 Not to get political necessarily, but there was- there's a trend going around on TikTok 346 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,120 right now because someone made a whole song about it. 347 00:18:03,120 --> 00:18:10,160 Kamala Harris was being interviewed and I forget, a governor or some- I think it was 348 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:16,120 a governor, made a comment about her from, I don't know where they were from. 349 00:18:16,120 --> 00:18:17,640 Don't listen to me about where they were from. 350 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:25,240 But they accused her of, because she didn't have children essentially, that made her not 351 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:26,240 humble. 352 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:30,640 And she, as a leader, needs to be more humble and that's what she should aspire to be. 353 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:35,640 And her response, because the interviewer was saying, how would you like to respond 354 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:36,800 to that comment? 355 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:41,400 She said, well, first of all, I would like to say not all women are out here aspiring 356 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,000 to be humble. 357 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:44,000 Thank you. 358 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,440 For heaven's sake. 359 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:52,800 I just think that is so powerful. 360 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:53,800 Humility is great. 361 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:59,200 I'm not saying that humility is not something that we should have. 362 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:00,960 In certain aspects. 363 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:05,880 Because you are a woman does not mean that your number one aspiration in life should 364 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:07,840 be to be humble. 365 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,760 Would you say the same thing to a man? 366 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,920 I mean, look at any of our male political leaders. 367 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,260 And I'm not talking about currently even. 368 00:19:17,260 --> 00:19:21,240 Look at any of our presidents going back. 369 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:25,480 Would you say he needs to be more humble? 370 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,560 Would you even want that? 371 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:32,760 Because in a president, you do kind of want someone who's going to stand up and be a little 372 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:33,760 loud. 373 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,080 So would you want humbleness? 374 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:41,400 No, you just want it because she's a woman and she's stepped outside of the box you wanted 375 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:42,400 to put her in. 376 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:43,400 Exactly. 377 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,960 I bought a book. 378 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,320 I know that everybody's shocked here. 379 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:53,600 It's a different sort of book than my normal sort of book. 380 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:54,600 Romance novels. 381 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:55,600 Yeah. 382 00:19:55,600 --> 00:20:00,960 I'm known on the podcast for the romance novels. 383 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,600 Romance novels and her children's fiction. 384 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:05,600 Yes. 385 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:06,600 Okay. 386 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,800 So this book. 387 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:17,200 Now this is going to be a little bit controversial and I want to dive into it in a loving way, 388 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:22,040 but also in a way that says like there is some righteous anger behind this. 389 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,800 A little bit of Taylor Swift female rage. 390 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:26,080 A little bit. 391 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:30,880 Now this book was written by a man, by a heterosexual man. 392 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,960 I didn't know that. 393 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:39,280 He was on TikTok and he got, I don't want to say famous, but he got pretty popular on 394 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:44,920 TikTok because he did this series of how to make men angry. 395 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:51,840 So the book is called How to Piss Off Men, 109 Things to Say to Shatter the Male Ego. 396 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,720 And I bought it mostly because it was funny. 397 00:20:54,720 --> 00:21:00,600 I saw it on TikTok and I was like, I must own this, what in the actual heck could be 398 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:01,600 in this thing. 399 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,560 A quick coffee table read. 400 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:04,880 A toilet read. 401 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:05,880 Yes. 402 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,240 It's quite quick if you want to pick it on up and have a good laugh. 403 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:14,280 I laughed very hard and actually my husband thought it was really funny too. 404 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:15,760 And that's how she got pneumonia. 405 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:17,520 Yeah, that was it. 406 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:18,520 She laughed too hard. 407 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,800 I laughed too hard and then I died. 408 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:22,800 Died. 409 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:30,560 So this goes into, it'll say something like, it'll give a quote, like you should say this 410 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:31,560 to a man. 411 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:35,800 And then it explains why it would hurt their ego, basically. 412 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:36,800 It hurt my feelings. 413 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:37,800 Yeah. 414 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,880 It makes me feel bad. 415 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:45,680 And I think it's important to point out that we're not sitting here like male bashing all 416 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,160 the time. 417 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,160 We don't hate, sometimes. 418 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,000 We don't hate all the men. 419 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:55,920 But it's important to point out why some of these things hit. 420 00:21:55,920 --> 00:22:02,000 Like why they're funny, but why also for women these are relevant. 421 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,040 So let's see. 422 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,300 Oh, this is a great one. 423 00:22:07,300 --> 00:22:11,840 So it says, say this when a man tries to explain crypto to you. 424 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:19,920 Oh, so it's like Kohl's cash? 425 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:21,760 I loved that one. 426 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,560 Especially for our family. 427 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:33,200 I feel like our family, like not just Alyssa and my mom, but my grandma, my aunts, my cousins, 428 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,400 our entire wardrobe came from Kohl's. 429 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:36,400 It's very possible. 430 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,720 At least at one point in our lives. 431 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:46,080 But I think it's, that one hits a little bit harder because of mansplaining. 432 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:51,920 Like I, and I love the men in our family, okay? 433 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:59,040 But the amount of mansplaining. 434 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:00,880 I'm a fairly educated woman. 435 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,560 Bri's a fairly educated woman. 436 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:04,560 We know stuff. 437 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,960 I don't need you to explain how to cook to me. 438 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:07,960 I've got it. 439 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,120 I've got it covered, guys. 440 00:23:10,120 --> 00:23:12,400 The spice blends, we're good. 441 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:13,400 I got it. 442 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,160 Add more salt. 443 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,160 I'm not going to need any explanations. 444 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:22,920 But I think that's why that one's so funny is because we're so used to men over explaining 445 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:24,800 things we already understand. 446 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:29,620 I think there's, like we talked about, I think in the last podcast, there's a difference 447 00:23:29,620 --> 00:23:35,080 between talking to someone peer to peer and then talking down to someone. 448 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:42,080 I feel like very often the issue with mansplaining is that you are talking down to someone. 449 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,240 You couldn't possibly understand this. 450 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:45,240 You're a silly little female. 451 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:46,240 Right. 452 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:51,120 If I ask you about crypto, if I'm like, oh hey, could you explain that to me? 453 00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:55,760 Now, crypto is a large part of my job, so I get it already. 454 00:23:55,760 --> 00:24:01,560 But if I ask you and we're having an educated conversation, that's very different. 455 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,840 Well, that's a conversation. 456 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:04,840 Right. 457 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,880 As opposed to you deciding that I need this information. 458 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,280 Let me teach you. 459 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,240 I like to say things to make... 460 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,400 I think I do these things. 461 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:19,040 I like to say things just to annoy people. 462 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:26,320 For example, if someone's watching pickleball and I say, where's all the gherkins? 463 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:34,680 I know there's no pickles in pickleball. 464 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:42,080 But the reactions that I get make me laugh. 465 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:47,040 I mean, you have to ask too, why do women have to play stupid a little bit in those 466 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,040 scenarios? 467 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,040 True. 468 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,320 Why do you say those things? 469 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,040 Because it gets a reaction. 470 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:59,640 When you think about those older movies where the girl has to go through a makeover and 471 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,680 she's chasing the boy, that's part of the requirement. 472 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,360 To get a boy, you have to be a little stupid. 473 00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:07,360 Play dumb. 474 00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:08,360 Yeah. 475 00:25:08,360 --> 00:25:09,360 You have to play dumb. 476 00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:14,000 That's the advice from all the matriarchs in those old movies is like, well, you can't 477 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,040 let him know you're too intelligent until you got a ring on your finger. 478 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:24,240 Even now, they're like, oh, you need to make the man feel like he's still in power. 479 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:29,640 You need to give him situations where he can make the decision ultimately, but you don't 480 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,960 really care what the decision is. 481 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:32,960 Yeah. 482 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:37,720 I remember in college, one of my guy friends telling me... 483 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:43,680 Now, I was already dating my now husband, so I'm not really sure why this was brought 484 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:49,400 up to me, but he was like, you're just so intimidating to guys. 485 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,240 You told me that one time. 486 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,640 Well, we're both intimidating and we're proud of it. 487 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:54,640 It's okay. 488 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:55,640 Yeah, I like that about myself. 489 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,320 But what a thing to say to a woman. 490 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:06,080 My intelligence intimidates you as we both sit here on equal playing ground. 491 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:07,080 We're in the same classes. 492 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:13,280 I think we should look each other dead in the eye and say, good. 493 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,920 I want to be terrifying. 494 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:21,240 I saw a thing online one time and it was a guy saying something about brightly colored 495 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,240 hair on a woman. 496 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:32,000 He was like, in nature, brightly colored animals, it means stay away, I'm toxic or whatever. 497 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:37,280 He's talking about women with pink hair or women with bright red hair or whatever as 498 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:38,800 the same kind of thing. 499 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,960 Oh, a woman with brightly colored hair, it's a sign to stay away. 500 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:48,520 A woman commented back and said something along the lines of, that's not meant to scare 501 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:53,480 away a mate, it's meant to scare away predators. 502 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,680 If it's scaring you away, then it's working. 503 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:56,680 Yeah. 504 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:01,720 How about we stop talking about physical appearance all the time? 505 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,040 How about we talk about what's inside? 506 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,000 Wouldn't that be nice? 507 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,480 Our guts and our spleens. 508 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,760 Hey, my lungs are full of fluid. 509 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,240 Listen, maybe that's intimidating. 510 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,880 Yeah, all the fluid. 511 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,680 It's too much fluid. 512 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:22,680 So another quote from this, it says, in the next Batman movie, the Joker should be a woman, 513 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:28,760 which it then goes on to say, when he presses you on this, say, well, women are more persecuted 514 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,520 in society, so I think she'll have actual things to be upset about. 515 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:38,560 As he stares at you in stunned silence, finish him off with, and maybe Tom Holland can play 516 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,960 Batman. 517 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,280 Tom Holland is a beautiful soul. 518 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:44,280 He's adorable. 519 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,720 He's like a precious little angel baby. 520 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:55,840 But I think with that one, it's so easy for men to relegate women to a certain role. 521 00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:01,320 Well, a woman could play this role, but she can't play this role. 522 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:07,360 And I understand that, you know, stereotypically, the chokers, I hadn't like, the comics say 523 00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:08,360 so. 524 00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:16,240 But at the same time, we expand our thoughts on what women can do and what they can be. 525 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,120 If they want to be a villain, they can be a villain. 526 00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:26,040 Well, that's such an interesting thing, because women are held up as this symbol of purity 527 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,040 and peace. 528 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:31,320 Or men that want to look for a good woman. 529 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:32,320 That's what they're looking for. 530 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:37,800 Purity and peace and quiet, calm and whatever, you know. 531 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:38,800 Compliant. 532 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:39,800 Yeah. 533 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,800 What if we're not that? 534 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:47,760 I've never been calm, quiet. 535 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,240 I've been calm. 536 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,760 Maybe for like short moments. 537 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,080 I do occasionally sleep. 538 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,520 Not as much as I should. 539 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,280 Certainly not as the fluid fills my lungs. 540 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:06,560 But I remember as a kid getting these comments from the women in my life of like, and I know 541 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:14,360 I've said this before, but you need to be less opinionated because you're going to have 542 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,240 to take on your husband's opinions someday. 543 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:23,360 You need to be less stubborn because you're going to have to obey your husband someday. 544 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,520 And it just never sat right with me. 545 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,760 I'm not that girl. 546 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:37,720 And why would God make me stubborn and strong and opinionated and loud if that's not what 547 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,320 a woman is supposed to be? 548 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:47,520 I think just in general, we need to expand our definition of woman because we've made 549 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,680 it so small. 550 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,920 A woman can be quiet. 551 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,600 A woman can be calm. 552 00:29:54,600 --> 00:30:01,080 If that's in your nature to be more quiet, more reserved, more calm, be those things. 553 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,280 Own those things. 554 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:14,440 If you as a woman are loud or smart or whatever it is, any attribute, that is a woman. 555 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:15,640 And the same for men. 556 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,520 Men, you don't all have to be full of rage. 557 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:28,080 You don't have to be big and strong and like, raw meat. 558 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,840 We were talking about this with mom the other day too. 559 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,240 Men are allowed to like pedicures. 560 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,080 They're allowed to like going to the spa. 561 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:41,960 They're allowed to like anything they want because you're a person and you get to have 562 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,680 your own personality. 563 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:52,120 Well, and you got to ask if it's such a small box, what happens when someone deviates from 564 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:53,120 that box? 565 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,840 Doesn't that make our God smaller? 566 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:57,840 Yeah. 567 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:02,240 If all he can do is make copy pasted boxes. 568 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:03,680 Exactly. 569 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:11,440 And yet you look at when God made Adam and Eve, he gave them individual personalities, 570 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,960 but then he gave each of their children individual personalities and each of their children individual 571 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:22,400 personalities and each of my children, very individual personalities. 572 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:30,200 And all of that still fits within peoplehood, personhood. 573 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:36,600 It all still fits just as humans. 574 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:37,600 There's one more quote. 575 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:38,600 I want to see if I can find it. 576 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,600 It's my favorite one. 577 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:41,600 Okay. 578 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,240 This is very, this is the last one from this book. 579 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:51,400 I probably will revisit this book later because I think it's spectacular, but the last one 580 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,280 for today from this book. 581 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,080 So it says, say this to a man wearing a Jersey. 582 00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:01,680 I love your cosplay. 583 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:06,880 And when he says it's not cosplay, say, well, it kind of is. 584 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,200 You're not really a basketball. 585 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,680 I mean, that's very true. 586 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:17,480 I think a lot of what this book dives into is this idea of like really easily shattered 587 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,040 masculinity. 588 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:30,360 And when we make either femininity or masculinity into such a tiny little construct, anything 589 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:36,560 that goes out of that box, like we said, suddenly makes you not masculine or not feminine or 590 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,040 whatever. 591 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:46,860 And if someone's entire personality is, I'm an alpha man, I'm masculine, I'm whatever, 592 00:32:46,860 --> 00:32:56,480 the tiniest thing that pinpricks that is going to throw off their entire personality. 593 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:57,680 Imagine that. 594 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:04,000 Imagine one tiny little comment, like one tiny little joke about a tiny little rumor 595 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,040 is all I need to make a big mess. 596 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:08,560 I'm the rumor weed. 597 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,920 Well, there's the veggie tales for the day guys. 598 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,680 You can check off the box. 599 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:21,960 And imagine if that's your whole personality and the littlest thing can throw it off completely 600 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:30,360 or can completely insult you to your core because that's who you are is just I'm masculine 601 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,120 or I'm feminine. 602 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:38,240 If that's all you've got, it's going to be really easy to destroy you. 603 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,200 You're going to need to spend a lot of time in therapy. 604 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:42,200 That's very true. 605 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:47,000 You're going to need to figure out who the crap you are apart from stereotypes. 606 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,000 Stereotypes. 607 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,200 There was a TikTok that I saw. 608 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:51,200 We're back on the TikToks. 609 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,200 Is everybody drinking along with me that I sent you, Alyssa, the other day? 610 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,120 I want to see what his name is. 611 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,960 Oh, this is Mark Driscoll. 612 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,320 Oh no, we hate him. 613 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,680 And he there's, is he a pastor? 614 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:11,680 Oh yeah. 615 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,320 He's a mega church pastor. 616 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,100 Should we listen to this or should I just talk about it? 617 00:34:16,100 --> 00:34:17,100 Just talk about it. 618 00:34:17,100 --> 00:34:18,100 Okay. 619 00:34:18,100 --> 00:34:24,800 So I saw a TikTok from him that talks about his daughters and he said, I raised my daughters 620 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:30,120 to be strong, but not independent. 621 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:35,240 Because if you raise an independent daughter, she's more likely to get divorced or die single 622 00:34:35,240 --> 00:34:36,680 and that's terrible. 623 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:37,920 That's not what you want from her. 624 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:38,920 The horror. 625 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:43,920 Because she eventually needs to be married and needs to submit to her husband. 626 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:50,040 So I raised my daughters to be not independent. 627 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:54,200 I want my wife not to be independent because they need me. 628 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,560 Those poor little females. 629 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,880 And I just raged. 630 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:03,760 You know when you see those, when you see something like that and you just want to like 631 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,600 spew vomit. 632 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:13,480 Sometimes you just want to like the exorcist just, she was going to say something. 633 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:18,360 Were you going to, oh, you were going to react to it on TikTok and she physically could not 634 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,240 because she was so mad. 635 00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:22,600 So mad. 636 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:29,520 Eventually when I find, you know, some peace, I will react to it. 637 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:37,240 But I just, I'm shocked that that kind of behavior is out there in the world and people 638 00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:39,640 accept it and people follow it. 639 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:40,800 That's insane to me. 640 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,440 I want to raise my daughters not to be independent. 641 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,560 Would you say that of your sons? 642 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,400 Like that is abusive. 643 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:54,280 What it, like is, first of all, is the worst thing in the world for her to be single? 644 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,320 I mean, I think he probably thinks it is. 645 00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,160 Jesus was single. 646 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:00,720 Jesus was single. 647 00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:01,720 Come on. 648 00:36:01,720 --> 00:36:08,280 Paul said it's better to be single and if you must get married, then do so. 649 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:16,360 But also in today's society, it's really, really hard to be like a one income household. 650 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:23,280 So she has to have some independence because she has to go out and interview and find a 651 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:31,000 career or say that this husband that she finds if he's anything like you is abusive. 652 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,080 Now she's stuck in a situation where she can't get out. 653 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:41,600 Well, she's been emotionally stunted since she was a child and now she has to try and 654 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,080 recover herself. 655 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,520 What if her husband dies? 656 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,360 What is she going to do? 657 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,280 You're setting her up for failure. 658 00:36:50,280 --> 00:37:00,520 Not just failure, but you're setting her up for a lifetime of misery because if you're, 659 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:06,240 here's the reality at the end of the day, people will fail you 100% of the time. 660 00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:07,560 My husband's wonderful. 661 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:15,480 Like I love him, but he's going to fail me because he's a person and so people do. 662 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:25,800 If I am 100% dependent on my husband, whether that be financially, emotionally, spiritually, 663 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:34,600 if I am dependent on this human man standing in front of me, when he fails, I will also 664 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,800 fall apart. 665 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:43,760 I want to know what he thinks the difference between strong and independent is. 666 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,560 What do you think makes a strong woman? 667 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:51,880 Because to me, a strong woman is independent, but to him, maybe a strong woman knows how 668 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,880 to make a sandwich. 669 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:58,980 And can raise five children without ever asking for help. 670 00:37:58,980 --> 00:38:08,600 My guess is it's a woman who's quiet that will never ask her husband to be a partner. 671 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:17,760 That will never ask for anything more than a person that maybe financially supports her. 672 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:23,600 And I will say it takes a level of strength to live through that kind of abuse. 673 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,200 Absolutely. 674 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:30,000 But don't raise your daughters for the slaughter. 675 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,640 Don't raise your daughters with an expectation that they're going to put themselves into 676 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:39,840 the same abusive situation that your poor wife put herself in. 677 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,880 Don't do that to them. 678 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:50,320 It's literally astounding to me that he can go out there and post these things on social 679 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,840 media and have a following. 680 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,840 And what's particularly sad to me is even the people that disagree with someone like 681 00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:03,960 this often, and we saw this with Harrison Bucker, we saw the same thing, where men instead 682 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:11,720 of standing up and saying, no, this is garbage, he's wrong, he's hurting women, instead of 683 00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:16,320 saying that they said, well, he's entitled to his religious beliefs. 684 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,400 I'm not going to tell him he can't believe what he wants to believe. 685 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:25,600 Once again, as a man, you want to defend that power. 686 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:32,840 You want to defend that power more than you want to defend a woman or the victim. 687 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:44,560 If your religious beliefs step on someone else's rights, right to live, to be safe, 688 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:52,360 to feel like an equal human being in the world, if your religious beliefs impede that for 689 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,080 someone else, I'm sorry, they're no longer valid. 690 00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,480 They no longer have any credence in my mind. 691 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,520 I don't respect them in any way. 692 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,720 And that's exactly how I feel about this person. 693 00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:11,000 Something on Instagram or TikTok earlier that was like, if you are reading your Bible, finding 694 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:16,300 excuses to put down someone else, you're reading your Bible wrong. 695 00:40:16,300 --> 00:40:20,080 We follow a page on Facebook called Ezra Rising. 696 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,000 And we actually repost from her semi often. 697 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:27,540 And so she is quoting someone else and it says, if reading the Bible causes me to scrutinize 698 00:40:27,540 --> 00:40:32,800 others more than I scrutinize myself, then I am not reading the Bible correctly. 699 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:40,480 If reading the Bible gives you some sort of right in your head to put others down, some 700 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:48,560 sort of right to harm their freedoms, their God given freedoms and rights, you're doing 701 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,280 something wrong, something very wrong. 702 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,520 But I also wanted to bring up when I looked up this quote, I just saw another one that 703 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:55,520 I want to talk about. 704 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,440 She posted this about an hour ago. 705 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,160 And it's a quote. 706 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:06,680 And it says, I am not free while any woman is unfree, even when her shackles are very 707 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,120 different from my own. 708 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:13,440 We are a sisterhood of the traveling pants. 709 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:20,920 Okay, when I was scrolling through the TikToks and I was looking for other Christian feminist 710 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:27,640 accounts to follow just for inspiration, but when you look up Christian feminism, Mark 711 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:36,440 Driscoll pops up and all but he was one of the men but more often than not, it's women 712 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,680 talking about how feminism is wrong. 713 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:45,520 And feminism is all about putting down men and we shouldn't be putting down men and blah, 714 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:46,520 blah, blah, blah, blah. 715 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:51,200 And your strength is the home and there are differences between men and women and you 716 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,560 should own those differences. 717 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:59,440 It's just mostly women defending patriarchy and misogyny. 718 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:07,080 But I think it's important to say, even though that's incredibly disheartening, it hurts 719 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:12,840 my soul to think that there are women out there fighting to oppress other women. 720 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:19,640 However, and I've talked with our mom about this before, there was a time I would have 721 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:24,400 said those same things because you're conditioned. 722 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,640 Because you're raised that this is what's right. 723 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,880 You're raised that that's what God wants for you. 724 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:37,640 And until someone opens the door and says, hey, no, that's not what God wanted. 725 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,320 It's okay, you can come out here, it's better. 726 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:47,080 Until someone does that, I think sometimes you just get stuck and it sucks. 727 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:54,920 But again, as loudly as we can shout as we run away from this garbage pile, at least 728 00:42:54,920 --> 00:43:00,960 a couple people might hear us screaming and maybe they'll follow and maybe they won't 729 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:05,580 get themselves stuck in such a terrible situation. 730 00:43:05,580 --> 00:43:14,080 Maybe they'll comment back to this moron of a pastor and talk about how this is not right. 731 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,320 Alright. 732 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:21,040 So I don't know where we're headed from here in our next couple weeks, we need to sit down 733 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:25,040 and kind of have a mapping out meeting. 734 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:29,540 But if there are things that you specifically would like to hear about, hear us talk about, 735 00:43:29,540 --> 00:43:32,640 if there are women of the Bible you'd like to learn more about, we had a ton of fun with 736 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,000 our Bathsheba series. 737 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,760 Tell us Lewis and Clark. 738 00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,760 I'd rather you didn't. 739 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,240 I'll be Lewis, you be Clark. 740 00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:42,240 Okay, sure. 741 00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:43,240 We'll get right on that. 742 00:43:43,240 --> 00:43:47,480 We actually might also, we're kind of excited about a Halloween episode we want to do about 743 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:48,480 the Salem witch trials. 744 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,960 I think that could be really fun and interesting. 745 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,640 Especially because there's all kinds of shirts going around on TikTok that say they killed 746 00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,400 women not witches. 747 00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:06,360 Yeah, so that probably will be in the next couple of weeks as Alyssa hopefully heals 748 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:11,000 and perhaps doesn't pass on entirely. 749 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:15,640 I would also really like to do an episode on people pleasing. 750 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,400 That's been something that's been weighing on my heart lately. 751 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:26,560 I think that's something that again we as women take on mostly and it's affecting my 752 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:27,560 mental health. 753 00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:28,560 Yeah. 754 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,640 Alright, so let us know what you guys are interested in. 755 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:39,720 We are gonna sit down, have a chat, plan some stuff out and we'll see you guys next week 756 00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:41,160 for something. 757 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,560 I'm not gonna see a single one of you. 758 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:44,560 That's true. 759 00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,400 I really need to get it through my head that this is a podcast. 760 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,320 I could start filming you, just you. 761 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,760 Frankly, even if you did, I still wouldn't see them. 762 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:52,760 They would see me. 763 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,680 We'd like to have a live show. 764 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:55,680 No, we wouldn't. 765 00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:56,680 Come to my old bedroom. 766 00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:57,680 No live events. 767 00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:58,680 Alyssa's very anti-social. 768 00:44:58,680 --> 00:44:59,680 You can sit on this bed with us. 769 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:00,680 No, no. 770 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:01,680 We're not inviting anyone. 771 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:02,680 Into our beds. 772 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:03,680 Nope. 773 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:04,680 Okay. 774 00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:05,680 You'll hear us. 775 00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:06,680 You'll hear us next week. 776 00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:07,680 If you know anyone from Zimbabwe, share this with them because we would love to have a 777 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:08,680 Zimbabwean house. 778 00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:09,680 Oh good, things I can plan out. 779 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:30,680 Bye!