1 00:00:07,714 --> 00:00:11,474 Welcome to the energetic radio podcast. My name is Dale 2 00:00:11,474 --> 00:00:15,235 Sibon. Each week, I'll bring you inspirational guests who 3 00:00:15,235 --> 00:00:19,039 will help you bring fun, energy, and purpose into your 4 00:00:19,039 --> 00:00:20,980 lives. Let the show begin. 5 00:00:24,655 --> 00:00:27,935 Alright, ladies and gentlemen. I tell you what, it has been a long time coming. 6 00:00:27,935 --> 00:00:31,715 And I must admit, the last 10 episodes were not up to standard. 7 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,879 Reason being, we had a little bit of a break. Obviously, we got another podcast 8 00:00:35,879 --> 00:00:39,000 out there at the moment, which was taking up a lot of time. But really 9 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,365 excited to get energetic radio back up and running. It's episode 10 00:00:42,365 --> 00:00:46,205 number 333. And I thought we could not start 11 00:00:46,205 --> 00:00:49,950 it without introducing my guest today, my new business partner. 12 00:00:50,250 --> 00:00:53,530 I'm very excited to have you on here. Paul Campbell, welcome to the show. Thanks 13 00:00:53,530 --> 00:00:56,825 for having me, mate. I'm super excited as well. Was that episode 333? 14 00:00:57,365 --> 00:01:01,125 333 episodes. Jeez. I'm coming at a good time, a few runs on the 15 00:01:01,125 --> 00:01:04,750 board. You are, mate. You are. Put that a 16 00:01:04,750 --> 00:01:08,350 little bit closer to your lips there too, mate. But there we go. So very 17 00:01:08,350 --> 00:01:11,970 excited to be here. Now today is, obviously, with this, 18 00:01:12,475 --> 00:01:16,155 podcast, we're going to really angle it around our new business, the 19 00:01:16,155 --> 00:01:19,594 school of play, and ways that you can use sort of play based research 20 00:01:19,594 --> 00:01:23,400 evidence and activities to build better connections with yourself, but also 21 00:01:23,540 --> 00:01:26,840 your workplace, people you live with, and particularly your friends and family. 22 00:01:27,540 --> 00:01:31,085 Let's paint the picture for the listeners out there. So, obviously, 23 00:01:31,085 --> 00:01:34,705 now, director at a school of play, which is bloody exciting. Not gonna lie. 24 00:01:35,165 --> 00:01:38,630 Before that, mate, do you wanna paint the picture for listeners a little bit about 25 00:01:38,630 --> 00:01:41,130 who Paul Campbell is? Sure, mate. 26 00:01:42,229 --> 00:01:46,008 Father of 2. 2 beautiful beautiful boys, Hunter and Parker. So shout out. 27 00:01:46,008 --> 00:01:47,452 No doubt these guys will give this list and have a bit of a laugh 28 00:01:47,452 --> 00:01:49,024 at the old man. So father of 2, beautiful wife, 29 00:01:52,340 --> 00:01:56,100 girl called Mel. Been together for 20 odd years. She's a ripper. 30 00:01:56,420 --> 00:01:59,939 She keeps the house on running firm. Past educator, worked in the 31 00:01:59,939 --> 00:02:03,785 education space for 21 years. Spent a heap of time working at the 32 00:02:03,785 --> 00:02:07,545 Collingwood Footy Club. Spent about 5 years there working with athletes 33 00:02:07,545 --> 00:02:11,140 and players all around well-being, welfare, development, mindset, 34 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,800 positive psychology, all that kind of work, and just getting them ready to to 35 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,615 play week in week out and, navigate the the life of 36 00:02:18,615 --> 00:02:22,455 this of a professional athlete, I guess. Mate, I 37 00:02:22,455 --> 00:02:26,215 love me sport. Love all types of sports. Still playing footy. Dale thinks I'm a 38 00:02:26,295 --> 00:02:29,170 I'm an idiot for still playing footy the right old age I'm at, but I 39 00:02:29,170 --> 00:02:32,850 won't let listeners know how I am. But, still love my footy 40 00:02:32,850 --> 00:02:36,255 involved with the Parkdale Footy Club out there. So shout out to all the parked 41 00:02:36,255 --> 00:02:39,935 out boys if you're if you're listening to this one. But, yeah, mate, love life. 42 00:02:39,935 --> 00:02:43,760 Love connecting with people. Really do. And your previous 43 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,200 role, so you're an AP of well-being? I was. So I was an assistant 44 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,720 principal at Cranbourne Secondary College. Yep. The AP of well-being and 45 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:54,525 positive education, which was a role that just brought everything together for me. 46 00:02:54,525 --> 00:02:57,665 You know what I mean? My love of education, my love of working with people, 47 00:02:57,885 --> 00:03:01,730 especially in that well-being front and that positive education and getting the 48 00:03:01,730 --> 00:03:05,010 preventative work in. You know what I mean? Strengthening the thing between our ears and, 49 00:03:05,010 --> 00:03:08,585 and preventing mental health, I guess, from occurring in the first place, 50 00:03:09,145 --> 00:03:12,525 was a huge draw card for me. Huge school, huge 51 00:03:12,665 --> 00:03:16,320 huge enterprise, and I loved my time there. Taught me a lot and it led 52 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,920 me to you, obviously. So It did. And, for listeners out there, 53 00:03:19,920 --> 00:03:23,545 obviously, I've been doing this a long time by myself. And I've 54 00:03:23,545 --> 00:03:27,145 wanted a business partner, but I think it's a unique position, 55 00:03:27,145 --> 00:03:30,745 and I wasn't just going to settle for anything. And 56 00:03:30,745 --> 00:03:34,569 so, I saw Paul in action multiple times when 57 00:03:34,569 --> 00:03:38,090 I did a number of sessions with your staff and students. And the way 58 00:03:38,090 --> 00:03:41,454 you build connections, but more importantly, the way that you can 59 00:03:41,454 --> 00:03:44,275 communicate with everyone, make them feel comfortable, safe, 60 00:03:44,894 --> 00:03:48,734 is an incredible thing. I thought I was pretty good at it, but I see 61 00:03:48,734 --> 00:03:51,610 you do it, man. You operate in a different planet than what I do. Oh, 62 00:03:51,610 --> 00:03:54,670 I've made a pressure. Always, like, come naturally to you? 63 00:03:55,769 --> 00:03:59,545 Good question. With outstanding arrogance, I think it has. I think 64 00:03:59,545 --> 00:04:03,385 it has. I think my whole life I've had a an element of leadership, you 65 00:04:03,385 --> 00:04:06,345 know, from junior sports. You know what I mean? I was always one of the 66 00:04:06,345 --> 00:04:10,150 leaders. My sport team's always loved encouraging and talking to the 67 00:04:10,150 --> 00:04:13,849 playing group, you know, keeping them on track and motivating them to play well. 68 00:04:14,870 --> 00:04:18,295 Right through my, my high school days, my university days, I 69 00:04:18,455 --> 00:04:22,215 always enjoyed getting up and speaking in front of people and 70 00:04:22,215 --> 00:04:26,055 presenting and, you know, unifying a group 71 00:04:26,055 --> 00:04:29,150 and bring a group of people together and motivating them. 72 00:04:30,010 --> 00:04:33,130 So yeah, I guess it has come somewhat natural to me as everything you work 73 00:04:33,130 --> 00:04:36,615 on it, you you develop it and and you tweak it here and there. And 74 00:04:36,615 --> 00:04:39,574 you read and you watch and you learn as much as you possibly can to 75 00:04:39,574 --> 00:04:42,715 develop your, you know, your your 76 00:04:43,414 --> 00:04:47,240 your skills. But yeah, still working on it. I think 77 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,199 you're, I'm an infinite learner. You know what I mean? You've got to be an 78 00:04:50,199 --> 00:04:53,800 infinite learner in this life. And, something I do love to do is I read 79 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,275 for knowledge. You know what I mean? I watch what's going on online and watch 80 00:04:56,275 --> 00:04:59,574 what other people are doing in this space and I'm continuously working on my craft. 81 00:05:00,755 --> 00:05:04,389 Yeah. And you know, still get nervous. Still get nervous. I'm a human 82 00:05:04,389 --> 00:05:07,590 being. I don't think there's anyone out there that doesn't have a little bit of 83 00:05:07,590 --> 00:05:10,950 butterflies in their stomach before they take to a stage or before they address a 84 00:05:10,950 --> 00:05:14,585 whole group of people, whatever it might be. But, I think I've just 85 00:05:14,585 --> 00:05:18,185 learned to harness that, you know, harness that little bit of nervousness and get 86 00:05:18,185 --> 00:05:21,305 excited about it. And there's no better feeling than when you put a bit of 87 00:05:21,305 --> 00:05:24,940 preparation in, you deliver something it's well received. You see 88 00:05:24,940 --> 00:05:28,000 some smiles on people faces, you get to connect with the people in the crowd. 89 00:05:28,780 --> 00:05:32,335 Your messages is needed, and 90 00:05:32,335 --> 00:05:34,735 people love it. And then you walk off and you think that was a job 91 00:05:34,735 --> 00:05:37,295 well done. And it gives you a little bit of a spring your step, I 92 00:05:37,295 --> 00:05:40,970 reckon. So, yeah, that's cool. It definitely does. And I 93 00:05:40,970 --> 00:05:44,730 say this all the time when I'm speaking as well that I'm I'm anxious. 94 00:05:44,730 --> 00:05:47,724 Like, I am nervous. Yeah. And that's every speech. So, yeah, it might get a 95 00:05:47,724 --> 00:05:51,405 little bit easier, but you still have that those butterflies and things like that. 96 00:05:51,405 --> 00:05:55,230 Yeah. Do you find because you're very good at it, and I've 97 00:05:55,230 --> 00:05:58,910 seen in action that when you say things like that, people go, that's easy for 98 00:05:58,910 --> 00:06:02,110 you to say, or, oh, it comes naturally to you. You don't know what it's 99 00:06:02,110 --> 00:06:05,775 like for others? All the time. Yeah. All the time. And I get a lot. 100 00:06:05,775 --> 00:06:08,895 I you don't because I often I'm honest. I'm always honest. I like to be 101 00:06:08,895 --> 00:06:12,060 an honest bloke and always tell people, you know, I I I get nervous. You 102 00:06:12,060 --> 00:06:15,740 know what I mean? I do. And they always laugh at it and go, surely 103 00:06:15,740 --> 00:06:19,100 not. You don't come across as being nervous and they think it comes naturally and 104 00:06:19,100 --> 00:06:22,595 they think it comes easy. But I think I enjoy letting people know that I'm 105 00:06:22,595 --> 00:06:26,435 a human being too, and that it's okay for them to feel nervous 106 00:06:26,435 --> 00:06:29,690 about it and they can get out of the comfort zone as well. I think 107 00:06:29,690 --> 00:06:33,450 it's really powerful when you give people permission to feel that 108 00:06:33,450 --> 00:06:36,970 little bit of anxiety, little bit of nervousness, and, hey, give it a crack. You 109 00:06:36,970 --> 00:06:40,705 know what I mean? Yeah. And that's the thing. You only overcome things 110 00:06:40,705 --> 00:06:44,465 by doing it. 100%. And I know yeah. You 111 00:06:44,465 --> 00:06:47,960 obviously leaving teaching was a big decision, 112 00:06:49,220 --> 00:06:52,980 and very excited to have you on board, mate. How has the first few 113 00:06:52,980 --> 00:06:56,755 weeks been? Obviously, now it is a lot different. There's no bell times. 114 00:06:56,755 --> 00:07:00,435 You're leaving the school. You don't have to be somewhere. It is all on your 115 00:07:00,435 --> 00:07:04,150 own watch. How have you found the first 3 3 or 4 3 116 00:07:04,150 --> 00:07:07,590 weeks? It's been brilliant. Yep. For all the reasons you 117 00:07:07,590 --> 00:07:11,435 outlined. But for me, I'm I'm practicing what I've been 118 00:07:11,435 --> 00:07:14,074 preaching for a long time. You know what I mean? Get out of your comfort 119 00:07:14,074 --> 00:07:17,294 zone, follow your dreams, follow your passions, do something for you. 120 00:07:17,890 --> 00:07:20,850 The amount of times I've told people and athletes I've worked with that you get 121 00:07:20,850 --> 00:07:24,310 one shot at life. You get one crack at it. It's 122 00:07:24,370 --> 00:07:28,025 bloody amazing that we're even here. Right? And 123 00:07:28,025 --> 00:07:31,545 you've gotta spend your days doing something that you love and you've gotta follow your 124 00:07:31,545 --> 00:07:34,680 dreams and passions. And education was brilliant. I loved it. 125 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:39,000 It led me to amazing people and it's developed my knowledge in amazing 126 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,600 ways. But now I think it's led me to a 127 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,445 place where I really wanna be. You know, you yourself 128 00:07:46,445 --> 00:07:49,725 told me when you were getting me on board, I had the opportunity to impact 129 00:07:49,725 --> 00:07:53,085 on, you know, a couple of 1000 kids a year and people a year as 130 00:07:53,085 --> 00:07:56,750 an AP. But in this role, I'm hoping to have the scope to 131 00:07:56,750 --> 00:08:00,530 impact on tens of thousands of people all around Australia, all around the world, 132 00:08:01,229 --> 00:08:04,755 and spread that message of, you know, embrace life, 133 00:08:04,815 --> 00:08:08,655 always put things in perspective, have a positive mindset, have 134 00:08:08,655 --> 00:08:12,449 a bit of optimism, and just spread that. It's 135 00:08:12,449 --> 00:08:16,210 super exciting. You know, I can't wait to get stuck into it. And you're 136 00:08:16,210 --> 00:08:19,169 right. Lastly, you know, that bit about not living my life by a time table 137 00:08:19,169 --> 00:08:22,835 anymore. That's weird. That's weird. It's super 138 00:08:22,835 --> 00:08:26,595 strange. I've, you know, become accustomed to bell times and and having to be 139 00:08:26,595 --> 00:08:30,300 in a certain place 5 days a week. But the 140 00:08:30,300 --> 00:08:34,059 flexibility that I've really enjoyed in the 1st 3 or 4 weeks, has 141 00:08:34,059 --> 00:08:37,825 been amazing. Road tripping with you, has been a fun 142 00:08:37,825 --> 00:08:40,304 part of it so far too. Let me say too, haven't you? We've done a 143 00:08:40,304 --> 00:08:43,105 few. We spent a fair bit of time together. Let me tell her. Lucky we 144 00:08:43,105 --> 00:08:46,780 get along. But yeah. And and the linchpin 145 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,760 that is enabling me to to love it is that little bit extra family 146 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,095 time. You know what I mean? As you know, I've got 2 young kids, youngest 147 00:08:54,095 --> 00:08:57,135 has started primary school. The second one will start next year. So to have the 148 00:08:57,135 --> 00:09:00,975 opportunity to have a bit more family time, school pickups are epic. 149 00:09:00,975 --> 00:09:02,740 You know what I mean? I love them. And then off to the park and 150 00:09:02,740 --> 00:09:06,500 have some play with the kids, something I couldn't do previously. So for me, it's 151 00:09:06,500 --> 00:09:10,185 all those little 1 percenters that add up that, yeah, making 152 00:09:10,185 --> 00:09:13,785 this the right move so far. Isn't it, funny 153 00:09:13,785 --> 00:09:17,190 what really matters, you know, for so long, I think we're so 154 00:09:17,190 --> 00:09:20,870 destined by identified by what we do in our career, and we're 155 00:09:20,870 --> 00:09:24,070 so driven by that. But at the end of the day and I've realized this. 156 00:09:24,070 --> 00:09:27,195 Like, you know, I've spoken about on the other podcast that this time of year, 157 00:09:27,195 --> 00:09:30,875 normally, I'd be that's when I'd go overseas to present because that's I'd 158 00:09:30,875 --> 00:09:34,315 be quieter here, and I thought I needed to do that because that's 159 00:09:34,315 --> 00:09:38,080 impressive and things like that. And the only people I'm letting down are the people 160 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,380 that I live with, the ones that mean everything, my kids and my wife. 161 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,620 But it was so it's a really hard thing to grasp because 162 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,785 we taught so long that you've gotta have a career and you've gotta do all 163 00:09:48,785 --> 00:09:52,485 these things. But, realistically, you've gotta have a career you enjoy, very important. 164 00:09:52,625 --> 00:09:56,250 The first and foremost, do you have a responsibility to the people in your 165 00:09:56,250 --> 00:10:00,010 life? Mhmm. And that must be and I I know we did 166 00:10:00,010 --> 00:10:02,944 a little podcast with, both your boys, and, 167 00:10:03,644 --> 00:10:07,404 it really shone through. They both mentioned it that what are they 168 00:10:07,404 --> 00:10:11,190 both excited about to have you around more? That because you'd leave, you know, you'd 169 00:10:11,190 --> 00:10:14,870 leave at 7 and back at 6. 100%. Everyday. You know, it's 50 hour 170 00:10:14,870 --> 00:10:18,170 weeks. I'd I'd have to get my, 171 00:10:18,705 --> 00:10:22,065 you know, my exercise in and and and things for me before the house woke 172 00:10:22,065 --> 00:10:25,825 up in the mornings. Then get home, shower, breaky, and 173 00:10:25,825 --> 00:10:29,530 basically at the door as the house is waking up and, you know, the wife 174 00:10:29,530 --> 00:10:33,290 who's phenomenal was leading the charge and getting the kids ready for 175 00:10:33,290 --> 00:10:35,850 school and getting herself ready for work, etcetera, etcetera. And then I get home and 176 00:10:35,850 --> 00:10:39,025 the kids are already bathed in their gym jams. 177 00:10:39,245 --> 00:10:42,845 Playtime's already done. They're having a feed and then it's wind down time. You know 178 00:10:42,845 --> 00:10:45,425 what I mean? So, that 179 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,760 melted my heart when the when my boy said that on that podcast they did 180 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:53,200 with you. It melted my heart, honestly. No doubt. And right in that moment, it 181 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:57,024 was like, yep. This is definitely a great decision. Yeah. You 182 00:10:57,024 --> 00:11:00,865 know, someone said to me a while ago, you get you get 15 summers with 183 00:11:00,865 --> 00:11:04,320 your kids. Yeah. And that's resonated with me big time. 184 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:08,640 6 have already gone for Hunter. You know what I mean? And and 15, you 185 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,700 know, 6 have already gone. It's not long. It's not many. Right? And so 186 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,904 you've got whatever you do in life, as you said, make sure you're trying to 187 00:11:15,904 --> 00:11:19,505 find the balance and the time between your career and your family 188 00:11:19,505 --> 00:11:23,260 because that family of yours is gonna grow up so bloody quick. Yeah. And be 189 00:11:23,260 --> 00:11:26,060 out the door before you know it and be too cool for you as a 190 00:11:26,060 --> 00:11:29,704 teenager. And, yeah. So just cherish it as much 191 00:11:29,704 --> 00:11:33,002 as you possibly can and make time for it. And I know it's hard in 192 00:11:33,002 --> 00:11:36,300 some instances and you do your career to support your family and that's super important. 193 00:11:36,300 --> 00:11:40,060 But I think society in the world are getting better at 194 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,660 understanding the importance of balance and organizations understand that and 195 00:11:44,084 --> 00:11:47,545 the hybrid working situation is helping a lot of families out. So, 196 00:11:47,845 --> 00:11:50,940 you know, I mean, if you're out there, you're listening and you can have a 197 00:11:50,940 --> 00:11:54,460 think about that, you know, have a think about your balance and and how that 198 00:11:54,460 --> 00:11:57,900 seesaw is going. And, you know, can you have a chat to your organization about 199 00:11:57,900 --> 00:12:00,865 finding better balance, have a chat with yourself and your wife? I encourage you to 200 00:12:00,865 --> 00:12:04,705 do so because you will never regret that. That's not one thing on your deathbed 201 00:12:04,705 --> 00:12:08,550 you're gonna regret that you've worked to find some more time 202 00:12:08,550 --> 00:12:11,910 for you and found some more time to have some family time. So So true. 203 00:12:11,910 --> 00:12:14,950 So true. I'm always interested hearing 204 00:12:15,685 --> 00:12:19,305 I think we learned so much from, you know, our past life and previous experiences. 205 00:12:19,605 --> 00:12:23,365 Obviously, working at Collingwood is probably arguably the biggest sporting club in the 206 00:12:23,365 --> 00:12:27,200 country. I think they averaged quite over 70,000 per game. You're actually 207 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,620 barrack from as well. Yep. One of those die hard knappies. 208 00:12:31,025 --> 00:12:34,465 What was it like working at such a big organisation like that? 209 00:12:34,465 --> 00:12:37,985 Particularly, previous 10 years ago, you know, the 210 00:12:37,985 --> 00:12:41,780 well-being and mental mental health side of things was sort of taboo or 211 00:12:41,780 --> 00:12:45,620 sort of coming in, but your role was essentially around that well-being element. 212 00:12:45,620 --> 00:12:49,045 What was that like with such a big club behind you? Yep. 213 00:12:49,605 --> 00:12:53,225 Unreal. Like, simply unreal to yeah. 214 00:12:53,285 --> 00:12:56,644 Calling with supporter. When I received the phone call from the club, you had to 215 00:12:56,644 --> 00:12:59,290 come in for a chat, I thought it was a joke at first, to be 216 00:12:59,290 --> 00:13:02,110 honest. Someone's pranking you. Yeah. I thought someone was pranking me. 217 00:13:03,530 --> 00:13:07,095 And just an absolute dream come true. You know, I think to work in any 218 00:13:07,334 --> 00:13:10,615 major sporting organization in that role would be a dream come true. But do it 219 00:13:10,615 --> 00:13:14,375 at the pies, a team that I've grown up supporting and idolizing was 220 00:13:14,375 --> 00:13:18,140 a dream come true. But just the opportunity to impact on their culture for 221 00:13:18,140 --> 00:13:21,980 me was the most fulfilling part of that role. You know, the connections I 222 00:13:21,980 --> 00:13:25,644 made with the athletes, you know, especially working with the women when they 223 00:13:25,644 --> 00:13:29,245 first came in to be professional athletes, the step up was 224 00:13:29,245 --> 00:13:33,020 huge. Right? And they were all juggling full time work study, and and then trying 225 00:13:33,020 --> 00:13:36,660 to be a professional athlete. The rigors were massive. You know, the stresses were huge. 226 00:13:36,660 --> 00:13:40,340 The media were on them. It was all new. And to be able to 227 00:13:40,340 --> 00:13:43,704 guide and support those young 228 00:13:43,704 --> 00:13:47,305 athletes through that time was really fulfilling. And 229 00:13:47,305 --> 00:13:50,024 then we got to make our mark on the club. Right? We got to really 230 00:13:50,024 --> 00:13:53,640 develop a culture within that. Unreal, 231 00:13:53,860 --> 00:13:57,060 mate. Unreal. I loved it. I loved it. Didn't wanna give it up, but family 232 00:13:57,060 --> 00:14:00,824 called another bits and pieces. But it led me to amazing 233 00:14:00,824 --> 00:14:04,584 people. I learned a heap of skills from the club. You know, people like 234 00:14:04,584 --> 00:14:08,264 Nick Maxwell, for example, was was unbelievable that guided me in all 235 00:14:08,264 --> 00:14:11,970 about culture and how to develop that within a sporting organization or even 236 00:14:11,970 --> 00:14:15,810 like a business organization. Yeah. Bloody loved it. It was 237 00:14:15,810 --> 00:14:19,475 unreal. Nice, mate. Now that's, that's always good. Now, I'm always 238 00:14:19,475 --> 00:14:23,235 keen to obviously talk this isn't just gonna be at our business. We're 239 00:14:23,235 --> 00:14:26,835 going to we're gonna talk about things that you can use at home, with your 240 00:14:26,835 --> 00:14:30,150 family, with your friends, your workplace, number of different ways that you can improve your 241 00:14:30,150 --> 00:14:33,990 own well-being. But, the one thing that I'm really excited to 242 00:14:33,990 --> 00:14:37,590 have you on board because, essentially, after a while, you'll be in charge of this, 243 00:14:37,590 --> 00:14:41,315 of running, like, our student based programs. And particularly, the new 244 00:14:41,315 --> 00:14:45,075 one that, we've created this year around student agency and 245 00:14:45,075 --> 00:14:48,540 well-being where we go into schools and we work with the student leaders. We 246 00:14:48,540 --> 00:14:51,980 upskill them and give them a really nice experience as a leadership 247 00:14:51,980 --> 00:14:55,775 team, but then we've got a program that they champion across the school. They 248 00:14:55,775 --> 00:14:59,455 take ownership of it and lead it. So not only is it taking away time 249 00:14:59,455 --> 00:15:03,215 from the staff, but more importantly, it's giving them a voice and the power to 250 00:15:03,215 --> 00:15:06,930 make a really positive change across the schooling environment. We've 251 00:15:06,930 --> 00:15:10,529 just started 2 big studies with Latrobe Uni, at Ocean Grove Primary 252 00:15:10,529 --> 00:15:14,045 School and Fountain Gate Secondary College, and we're really excited about that. But 253 00:15:14,045 --> 00:15:17,805 more importantly, why when I, you know, when I approached 254 00:15:17,805 --> 00:15:21,325 you and said, would you be interested in helping me take this 255 00:15:21,325 --> 00:15:25,120 over, just because I think you've got more skill sets than 256 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,800 what I do in that element. What what really excited 257 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,605 you about that? Because you are really passionate about that student leadership 258 00:15:32,985 --> 00:15:36,444 aspect. Yeah. It's the direction of it. Right? Like 259 00:15:37,065 --> 00:15:40,440 young emerging leaders are the future of our society 260 00:15:40,820 --> 00:15:44,420 and I don't want to get negative at all, but I, I sometimes I freak 261 00:15:44,420 --> 00:15:48,180 out about the direction society is going in. I really do. Obviously working in a 262 00:15:48,180 --> 00:15:51,995 second space for 20 odd years. I've seen the change from 20 years 263 00:15:51,995 --> 00:15:55,835 ago, 10 years ago through to now. I've seen the impact 264 00:15:55,835 --> 00:15:59,660 social media and technology and those things have had on families and 265 00:15:59,660 --> 00:16:03,420 and kids. And sometimes I freak out about the direction that society's going in. 266 00:16:03,420 --> 00:16:06,704 Right? So That's that's okay though. I'm sure that you're not the only one. No. 267 00:16:06,704 --> 00:16:10,225 I wouldn't be the only one. Don't worry. And there's some amazing amazing young people 268 00:16:10,225 --> 00:16:12,625 getting around there, but I know there's also a lot of young people that are 269 00:16:12,625 --> 00:16:16,110 really struggling at the moment. And just the 270 00:16:16,110 --> 00:16:19,710 opportunity to champion, as you said, our young emerging leaders to take 271 00:16:19,710 --> 00:16:23,149 over that sort of well-being space and and drive well-being 272 00:16:23,149 --> 00:16:26,615 initiatives within their school community and then beyond, like 273 00:16:26,615 --> 00:16:29,995 encourage them to get it over the school fence, work with local organizations, 274 00:16:30,295 --> 00:16:33,910 their families, whatever it may be. But just championing young 275 00:16:33,910 --> 00:16:37,050 emerging leaders and giving them the skill set to 276 00:16:37,590 --> 00:16:40,834 drive the future of all being is super, 277 00:16:41,134 --> 00:16:44,255 super exciting. And I think they're the head. That's the hands it needs to be 278 00:16:44,255 --> 00:16:47,870 in. Right? Peer to peer learning is super 279 00:16:47,870 --> 00:16:51,070 powerful. And to be honest, I think it's the most powerful type of learning you 280 00:16:51,070 --> 00:16:54,590 can get. And so if we can champion those young 281 00:16:54,590 --> 00:16:58,334 leaders to be the well-being champions of their school communities, the 282 00:16:58,334 --> 00:17:01,375 world's gonna be in a better place. Yeah. It really will be. It really will 283 00:17:01,375 --> 00:17:05,220 be. And the other thing that I love about that program is leadership 284 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:10,159 is so beneficial for all parts of your life. Right? And I know I'm a 285 00:17:10,159 --> 00:17:13,274 I'm a product of that as well. I think once you developed your leadership skills 286 00:17:13,274 --> 00:17:16,174 to a point where you can transfer them into 287 00:17:16,794 --> 00:17:20,315 different industries, different organizations, whatever it might be, you start your 288 00:17:20,315 --> 00:17:23,900 sport, it goes into your career life. You bring that leadership into your home amongst 289 00:17:23,900 --> 00:17:27,660 your friends and family. When you develop that skill set, 290 00:17:27,660 --> 00:17:30,885 it really does set you up for a successful life. I'm a huge believer in 291 00:17:30,885 --> 00:17:33,685 that. So for me, it's a bit of a double edged sword. You know, we're 292 00:17:33,685 --> 00:17:37,285 we're working with our student leaders. We're educating them and 293 00:17:37,285 --> 00:17:41,020 empowering them how to take ownership over their own well-being. They go home 294 00:17:41,020 --> 00:17:44,140 and teach that stuff to mum and dad and their brothers and sisters. They hopefully 295 00:17:44,140 --> 00:17:47,865 have a chat to their friends. They're impacting on others. And then 296 00:17:47,865 --> 00:17:50,285 also they're developing their leadership skills at the same time. 297 00:17:51,625 --> 00:17:54,665 Awesome program. And and you know what? In the space of 20 years, I've never 298 00:17:54,665 --> 00:17:58,370 seen anyone do that. I've never seen anyone come in and actually give 299 00:17:58,370 --> 00:18:01,970 the student leaners complete ownership over a portfolio within a 300 00:18:01,970 --> 00:18:05,695 school, especially important and an important portfolio such as 301 00:18:05,695 --> 00:18:09,455 well-being, and let them drive that. And I think 302 00:18:09,455 --> 00:18:13,250 when schools get this on board, when they see the power of 303 00:18:13,250 --> 00:18:16,850 it, I think they're very quickly gonna realize that this 304 00:18:16,850 --> 00:18:20,115 program and this is a great way of doing it. Giving them voice and agency 305 00:18:20,115 --> 00:18:23,414 and leadership is gonna really transform 306 00:18:24,115 --> 00:18:27,220 the feel of their school and the culture of their school. Yeah. So true. And 307 00:18:27,220 --> 00:18:30,980 I think, like you said, there's nothing done like this before. 308 00:18:30,980 --> 00:18:34,200 So, obviously, last year, I was able to work with Latrobe Union, 309 00:18:34,635 --> 00:18:38,075 around the sort of fun shop and the play shop that delivered the 1 hour 310 00:18:38,075 --> 00:18:41,915 session. And nobody's really sort of doing it backed by science in a 311 00:18:41,915 --> 00:18:44,920 in a way that we do it. And they they were fascinated, and they loved 312 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,880 the results. And that's why they said this year, we'd love to have a couple 313 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:51,565 of researchers, and and do you have anything else? So we've got this idea. And 314 00:18:51,565 --> 00:18:55,245 so when they were researching previous studies and things out there, there's 315 00:18:55,245 --> 00:18:58,705 nothing like it being done. And I think that's why it's been, 316 00:18:59,570 --> 00:19:02,929 I'm gonna say, it's so hard to get off the ground because to get 317 00:19:02,929 --> 00:19:06,150 approval from all the working parties, education 318 00:19:06,289 --> 00:19:09,715 system, more importantly, from ethics approval at Latrobe 319 00:19:09,775 --> 00:19:13,535 Uni for something that's never been done like this before has been crazy. And there's 320 00:19:13,535 --> 00:19:17,200 been so much work gone into it. Yeah. I'm I'm so 321 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,880 excited to see the outcomes, particularly what they'll look 322 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,615 like in a primary school setting where the grade sixes run it for 323 00:19:24,615 --> 00:19:28,215 the rest of school. But then also in a high school setting where student 324 00:19:28,215 --> 00:19:31,655 leaders from year 10 to 7 will then go and lead it with other groups 325 00:19:31,655 --> 00:19:35,340 within the school. I think the scope of it's amazing. And the best thing about 326 00:19:35,340 --> 00:19:38,620 it is like everything, it's not one size fits all. There's so many different options, 327 00:19:38,620 --> 00:19:42,455 and you can use it however you like. So, yeah, we currently 328 00:19:42,455 --> 00:19:46,135 got 7 schools on board, which is really exciting. Exciting. Early days. Early days. Yeah. 329 00:19:46,135 --> 00:19:49,655 It'll grow. It'll grow. It'll grow, which we're really excited about. So, is that something 330 00:19:49,655 --> 00:19:53,240 that you're you're listening and you think, well, I wouldn't mind maybe obviously, this 331 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,920 podcast isn't just a sell. We're we're probably, more of anything, really excited 332 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:00,680 about what we've created, and we're still tweaking it and figuring it ourselves 333 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,265 because, yeah, as we said, each school we go to each day is different, 334 00:20:04,265 --> 00:20:07,305 and we get different feedback or they use it in a different way, and it's 335 00:20:07,305 --> 00:20:10,380 it's really cool to see. Yeah. It is. I think that's the great thing about 336 00:20:10,380 --> 00:20:13,500 it. So, yeah, if you you're keen on that, let us know and and reach 337 00:20:13,500 --> 00:20:17,315 out. But more importantly, what, what's been your highlight so far? We've 338 00:20:17,315 --> 00:20:21,095 obviously done a number of gigs. We've done a few corporate ones. We've traveled, 339 00:20:21,635 --> 00:20:25,335 interstate. What have, is there any memorable moments so far 340 00:20:25,635 --> 00:20:29,070 from, your first three weeks at the school play? 341 00:20:31,130 --> 00:20:34,090 The road trip up to Sydney was a hoot. Yep. That was great. And, obviously, 342 00:20:34,090 --> 00:20:37,445 working with the great girls school in the Saint George, you know, girls school up 343 00:20:37,445 --> 00:20:41,125 there, elite school. But for me, it was Ballarat Grammar. Oh, yes. You know what 344 00:20:41,125 --> 00:20:44,785 I mean? Like, what what an elite amazing school that was to work 345 00:20:44,785 --> 00:20:48,577 with, just the grounds, the the staff there. But that shooting group, 346 00:20:48,577 --> 00:20:52,135 you know, year 9 is typically a a pretty tough student 347 00:20:52,135 --> 00:20:55,895 cohort to wrangle and manage and and have, you know, working with for a 348 00:20:55,895 --> 00:20:59,095 good hour and a bit and Have 200 of them in a room. 200 of 349 00:20:59,095 --> 00:21:02,370 them. Yeah. And to have 200 of them engaged and listening. And 350 00:21:03,070 --> 00:21:06,590 when you set them the challenge of the task of connecting with each other and 351 00:21:06,590 --> 00:21:10,005 answering those questions, it's just so powerful to hear 352 00:21:10,385 --> 00:21:14,225 those conversations and then the thank you's afterwards. You know what I mean? 353 00:21:14,225 --> 00:21:17,105 Like, the thank you for that opportunity to give us that chance to connect with 354 00:21:17,105 --> 00:21:20,920 my friend. And we never ask each 355 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,880 of those questions. No. You know, they just don't. And and adults don't. You know 356 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,580 what I mean? Adults really ask themselves each of those questions as friends. So, 357 00:21:29,305 --> 00:21:32,105 yeah, that I walked out of there pumped. And then I walked out of there 358 00:21:32,105 --> 00:21:34,905 going, we're making a real difference. And and that was a really cool that didn't 359 00:21:34,905 --> 00:21:37,305 feel like work at all. You know what I mean? Like, pass on that knowledge, 360 00:21:37,305 --> 00:21:41,130 but just guiding. Yeah. That was that was awesome for me. 361 00:21:41,130 --> 00:21:44,670 Yeah. I couldn't agree more. Couldn't agree more. So, looking forward 362 00:21:44,809 --> 00:21:48,655 to a year's time, what do you reckon you'll look back 363 00:21:48,655 --> 00:21:52,435 on and and be really proud of? Obviously, taking 364 00:21:52,815 --> 00:21:56,630 the plunge to leave a secure job and, because I know when I obviously did 365 00:21:56,630 --> 00:22:00,470 it, yeah, it's scary as hell. Like, and it takes a long 366 00:22:00,470 --> 00:22:03,905 time to figure it out and things like that. But what do you reckon, you 367 00:22:03,905 --> 00:22:07,525 know, sitting back here in a used time when we do episode 378 368 00:22:07,905 --> 00:22:09,985 or whatever it's gonna be? I know it's made that up the top of my 369 00:22:09,985 --> 00:22:13,399 head. What do you think you're gonna be most proud of for your 1st 12 370 00:22:13,399 --> 00:22:17,240 months? Yeah. As you said, being 371 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,905 brave, I'll be proud of that. You know, being brave and and 372 00:22:20,905 --> 00:22:24,585 getting in that comfort zone and, you leave a a 373 00:22:24,585 --> 00:22:28,184 very well paid and ongoing role in the department of education with, you 374 00:22:28,184 --> 00:22:31,550 know, good holidays, etcetera, etcetera. Let's let's be honest. 375 00:22:31,550 --> 00:22:35,230 Right? It was what I knew my whole life, and was always 376 00:22:35,230 --> 00:22:38,865 gonna be there. So leaving that and being brave is something I'll definitely look back 377 00:22:38,865 --> 00:22:42,625 and be proud of. I'm also gonna be proud 378 00:22:42,625 --> 00:22:46,400 of of just getting creative. You know, I think we've, 379 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:50,240 you know, you and I have got a great relationship going on and we work 380 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,280 well off each other and just the opportunity to get creative and create these new 381 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,625 style of programs and continue to evolve along the way. I can't wait to look 382 00:22:56,625 --> 00:23:00,225 back and see the growth of our programs that we've put together initially now, and 383 00:23:00,225 --> 00:23:03,990 then we're gonna keep tweaking them, working on improving them. And I'm really 384 00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:07,670 looking forward looking, you know, down the barrel in 12 months going, yep, that's come 385 00:23:07,670 --> 00:23:11,295 so far. And now look at the product we've created and then seeing the 386 00:23:11,295 --> 00:23:14,435 impact that product has, you know, hopefully on schools across Australia. 387 00:23:15,535 --> 00:23:19,130 Yeah. That's that's gonna be a really exciting time. Yeah. So true. 388 00:23:19,450 --> 00:23:23,050 Well, Cambo, first podcast as well. Didn't mention that 389 00:23:23,050 --> 00:23:26,650 before, mate. Did very well. And some listeners, yeah, they just finished eating his 390 00:23:26,650 --> 00:23:30,235 soup. And, like I do with so many things, I just put a microphone in 391 00:23:30,235 --> 00:23:33,675 his face and said, we're doing a podcast. He's like, what? Mate, there was 392 00:23:33,675 --> 00:23:37,410 no no time. No no questions, no no pre worded 393 00:23:37,410 --> 00:23:41,250 questions, no script. Literally, Sadi just said I'm just 394 00:23:41,250 --> 00:23:44,715 gonna throw some questions at you. So here we go. I think it was the 395 00:23:44,715 --> 00:23:46,955 best way to do it. Oh, okay. You should be good. He did the same 396 00:23:46,955 --> 00:23:49,615 within my first filming stints for the school of play, 397 00:23:50,475 --> 00:23:53,640 socials and and gave me no chance to think about it, which was daunting, but 398 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,400 we made it through. And once again, you know what I mean? Get you out 399 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,120 of your comfort zone. Right? And even this, like, I got a smaller face. Like, 400 00:23:58,120 --> 00:24:01,855 I'm I'm I'm a grown adult and I'm getting out of my 401 00:24:01,855 --> 00:24:04,335 comfort zone. I've been telling people that the whole time. You know what I mean? 402 00:24:04,335 --> 00:24:07,695 So if you're out there listening and there's something you've always wanted to do or 403 00:24:07,695 --> 00:24:11,000 there's something that tweaks your interest and you want to give it a go, just 404 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,679 mate, step into it, give it a go. And, and just 405 00:24:14,679 --> 00:24:18,325 never stop learning. Like having the love of learning super important. You 406 00:24:18,325 --> 00:24:21,445 obviously run a run a pod now called the, you know, energetic what is it? 407 00:24:21,445 --> 00:24:24,860 Energetic radio. Energetic radio. Find that 408 00:24:24,860 --> 00:24:28,620 energy. You know what I mean? Find that energy. Get out there and and we're 409 00:24:28,620 --> 00:24:32,299 we're creatures of habit. So find that energy whether it starts with 5 minutes a 410 00:24:32,299 --> 00:24:35,965 day, but find that energy to get there and do something for you that will 411 00:24:35,965 --> 00:24:39,325 benefit your life because then in turn that impacts on all those around you that 412 00:24:39,325 --> 00:24:43,039 you love and you care about. Oh, that's good. That'd be mic drop opportunity if 413 00:24:43,039 --> 00:24:46,080 it wasn't set up so nicely on a on a stand, you know, if it's 414 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,925 old. Now that is episode number 333, Campbell. Thank 415 00:24:49,925 --> 00:24:53,705 you very much. And for listeners, I do apologize. The last 10 episodes, 416 00:24:54,085 --> 00:24:57,900 I had lost the passion and motivation, and they were not up to standing. 417 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,660 I can say that now. I needed this break, and more importantly, 418 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,684 sorta realign the direction that we're going in, and particularly what we wanna try and 419 00:25:05,684 --> 00:25:09,285 achieve on this podcast. So some weeks will just be Paul and myself chatting like 420 00:25:09,285 --> 00:25:12,325 what we are now, and we'll have other guests on there. But more importantly, it'll 421 00:25:12,325 --> 00:25:15,990 be lots of different ideas that you can either use at work, 422 00:25:15,990 --> 00:25:19,830 school, place, or at home to improve your well-being in a fun 423 00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:23,315 way. Yeah. Because one of the things, there's so many people out 424 00:25:23,315 --> 00:25:26,915 there teaching well-being or telling us what to do, but it it's not 425 00:25:26,915 --> 00:25:30,539 fun. If something's not fun, we're not going to do it. So, yeah. We hope 426 00:25:30,539 --> 00:25:34,059 to, obviously, unlock new ideas and things that you can try. Yeah. 427 00:25:34,299 --> 00:25:38,034 And also connect with some, really cool people because there are so many 428 00:25:38,034 --> 00:25:41,794 people doing wonderful things in this space. So, Paul Campbell, 429 00:25:41,794 --> 00:25:45,554 first podcast, episode 333. Well done, mate. Thank you, Dale Sullivan. Thanks for having me, 430 00:25:45,794 --> 00:25:48,340 and thanks for welcoming you to the school of play. Camel mate to get around 431 00:25:48,340 --> 00:25:50,039 it. Enjoy your day, everyone.