1 00:00:01,660 --> 00:00:05,220 Welcome to Plans Are Booked, a podcast for every reader. 2 00:00:05,220 --> 00:00:06,348 I'm Molly Geller. 3 00:00:06,348 --> 00:00:07,008 about this. 4 00:00:07,008 --> 00:00:10,368 And I'm Caitlin Madison. 5 00:00:10,368 --> 00:00:13,868 Welcome to chapter 29. 6 00:00:14,188 --> 00:00:16,008 29 is Molly's lucky number. 7 00:00:16,008 --> 00:00:20,756 Well, in my mind, it's her lucky number because she has a 29 birthday. 8 00:00:20,756 --> 00:00:24,476 Before you said that I was just about to say 29 is my favorite number. 9 00:00:24,476 --> 00:00:27,836 Those who know me in real life know I'm obsessed with my birthday which is 10 00:00:28,016 --> 00:00:29,576 September 29th. 11 00:00:30,232 --> 00:00:34,792 So we are going to be catching up with each other and we're going to be talking 12 00:00:34,792 --> 00:00:38,152 about bright young women in this episode. 13 00:00:38,152 --> 00:00:46,692 And we are very excited because Jessica Knoll, the author, we, well, I'll speak 14 00:00:46,692 --> 00:00:47,172 for myself. 15 00:00:47,172 --> 00:00:52,212 I have a love hate relationship with her in that I hated her first book and I liked 16 00:00:52,212 --> 00:00:53,152 this book. 17 00:00:53,152 --> 00:00:56,560 So that's kind of fun and we can talk about that. 18 00:00:56,856 --> 00:01:01,356 we've had a lot going on, but I'm going to let Steph start because she had like a 19 00:01:01,356 --> 00:01:04,136 whirlwind day. 20 00:01:04,136 --> 00:01:08,976 I've never, I've never flown round trips someplace in one day. 21 00:01:09,434 --> 00:01:12,654 Well, first I should start that I officially finished the second draft of my 22 00:01:12,654 --> 00:01:14,274 book on Friday. 23 00:01:15,314 --> 00:01:22,734 So I will attempt to start writing query letters, which is going to be so fun. 24 00:01:22,894 --> 00:01:23,714 Yes. 25 00:01:23,714 --> 00:01:24,528 Sorry. 26 00:01:24,528 --> 00:01:25,468 said. 27 00:01:27,048 --> 00:01:29,128 They just did. 28 00:01:29,528 --> 00:01:31,268 I feel like it was a great life. 29 00:01:31,268 --> 00:01:33,628 I was really glad when I just got started. 30 00:01:33,628 --> 00:01:37,628 Well, yeah, because you have to compare yourself to other authors and pitch 31 00:01:37,628 --> 00:01:41,928 yourself and like come off as super confident and all that jazz. 32 00:01:42,168 --> 00:01:42,668 Yeah. 33 00:01:42,668 --> 00:01:45,144 Well, Molly and I are going to. 34 00:01:45,144 --> 00:01:47,738 we are happy to edit and pump you up. 35 00:01:47,738 --> 00:01:48,737 Thank you. 36 00:01:49,358 --> 00:01:53,658 Yes, so yesterday I left my house at 530 in the morning. 37 00:01:53,658 --> 00:01:59,838 I drove to the airport, got on a plane for two hours, landed in Chicago, and went to 38 00:01:59,838 --> 00:02:05,490 my not so little anymore, she's 29, year old cousin's. 39 00:02:05,784 --> 00:02:20,544 appropriate 29 get out what a coincidence So she's getting married on her birthday 40 00:02:20,544 --> 00:02:21,084 then 41 00:02:21,084 --> 00:02:25,336 she's getting married on the 28th, but at midnight she will turn 30. 42 00:02:25,336 --> 00:02:26,366 fun. 43 00:02:26,366 --> 00:02:31,276 This cousin planned her wedding to strike the light into her birthday. 44 00:02:31,276 --> 00:02:33,176 I don't think it was purposeful. 45 00:02:33,176 --> 00:02:37,836 It was like that was the weekend that this location was available and it's just 46 00:02:37,836 --> 00:02:39,246 coincidental that it landed. 47 00:02:39,246 --> 00:02:41,166 Okay, otherwise I'm gonna go to the console now. 48 00:02:41,166 --> 00:02:42,296 This looks like a new brand. 49 00:02:42,296 --> 00:02:45,176 I've never heard of my whole lifetime block. 50 00:02:45,176 --> 00:02:47,526 Yeah, I mean she's gonna get mega gifts. 51 00:02:47,526 --> 00:02:49,676 It's gonna be like anniversary and birthday. 52 00:02:49,676 --> 00:02:51,590 I hope they go on trips. 53 00:02:51,590 --> 00:02:56,430 they leave two days later for their honeymoon, which is a Dubai slash African 54 00:02:56,430 --> 00:02:57,370 safari. 55 00:02:57,370 --> 00:02:59,170 So, yeah. 56 00:03:01,350 --> 00:03:05,010 So I landed around, I don't know, like nine o 'clock in the morning, quickly 57 00:03:05,010 --> 00:03:09,790 grabbed breakfast, took an Uber into the city, met up with my littlest cousin. 58 00:03:09,790 --> 00:03:13,568 And then we went to Cindy's rooftop where. 59 00:03:13,568 --> 00:03:18,640 they had breakfast at my bedroom, which Molly has been, but this was like... 60 00:03:18,874 --> 00:03:24,614 I kept saying I wanted to transport this into a home because one wall was just like 61 00:03:24,614 --> 00:03:32,674 two story brick fireplace, built -ins, and then the entire ceiling is just glass. 62 00:03:32,674 --> 00:03:36,994 So even if it had been like a rainy day, it would have been so lovely in there. 63 00:03:36,994 --> 00:03:40,194 We got a portion of the roof deck blocked off. 64 00:03:40,194 --> 00:03:41,234 We had... 65 00:03:41,376 --> 00:03:43,036 a lot of cocktails. 66 00:03:43,036 --> 00:03:44,716 I ate minimal food. 67 00:03:44,716 --> 00:03:46,556 I feel like crap today. 68 00:03:47,416 --> 00:03:48,544 And then... 69 00:03:48,544 --> 00:03:51,303 Because there's more of the options? 70 00:03:51,564 --> 00:03:54,904 I had eggs and a little bit of fruit. 71 00:03:54,904 --> 00:03:55,544 Yeah. 72 00:03:55,544 --> 00:04:00,084 Yeah, there weren't gluten free options, but they were for the people who actually 73 00:04:00,084 --> 00:04:02,484 act, not the intolerant person. 74 00:04:02,524 --> 00:04:03,924 So... 75 00:04:04,390 --> 00:04:06,710 eat a lot of food, drank a lot of booze. 76 00:04:06,710 --> 00:04:09,460 I was tasked with being the photographer for the event. 77 00:04:09,460 --> 00:04:12,370 I took an exorbitant amount of photos. 78 00:04:13,490 --> 00:04:14,500 It was beautiful. 79 00:04:14,500 --> 00:04:19,730 We had a view of the lake and the bean, which is under construction, and... 80 00:04:19,868 --> 00:04:21,128 I was really interested in stuff. 81 00:04:21,128 --> 00:04:25,348 I did the air and then I touched my cocktails with my aunt before she drove me 82 00:04:25,348 --> 00:04:26,868 back to the airport. 83 00:04:27,808 --> 00:04:30,248 And I got into my work and I loved it. 84 00:04:30,248 --> 00:04:31,834 So it was fun. 85 00:04:31,988 --> 00:04:34,368 a full day, but that's also an awesome day. 86 00:04:34,368 --> 00:04:39,888 And also it's inspiring to me to like, if there was ever like a concert or a play or 87 00:04:39,888 --> 00:04:44,348 something that I was like dying to go to, I now know that it's doable that I could 88 00:04:44,348 --> 00:04:46,108 turn it around in a day. 89 00:04:46,204 --> 00:04:49,864 know what that would do with the national, but if I needed to. 90 00:04:49,864 --> 00:04:51,754 Here's the weird thing about flights. 91 00:04:51,754 --> 00:04:56,924 I just don't understand how pricing works because I've done a different form of 92 00:04:56,924 --> 00:05:00,064 support for Chicago for a graduation. 93 00:05:00,064 --> 00:05:01,734 It is so cheap to fly. 94 00:05:01,734 --> 00:05:04,750 there and back in one day and I don't understand why. 95 00:05:06,190 --> 00:05:08,190 Probably because it's undesirable. 96 00:05:08,190 --> 00:05:11,959 Like, there aren't a lot of people that want that itinerary. 97 00:05:12,826 --> 00:05:13,886 I don't know. 98 00:05:13,886 --> 00:05:15,606 But I'm glad I went. 99 00:05:15,606 --> 00:05:18,946 It ended up being a gorgeous sunny day there. 100 00:05:19,646 --> 00:05:23,966 And luckily Bing Lee let me sleep until nine this morning. 101 00:05:23,966 --> 00:05:24,948 So, yeah. 102 00:05:24,948 --> 00:05:25,808 gent. 103 00:05:26,548 --> 00:05:34,668 Well, before we get into our big event that Molly and I went to, I did resign 104 00:05:34,668 --> 00:05:35,808 from my teaching job. 105 00:05:35,808 --> 00:05:38,488 That's like my big bit of news. 106 00:05:38,488 --> 00:05:40,228 It makes you sad. 107 00:05:40,528 --> 00:05:42,424 I'm glad that it makes you sad. 108 00:05:42,424 --> 00:05:47,624 I am really looking forward to having one commute and for people that don't know, 109 00:05:47,624 --> 00:05:51,864 like I go to the school that I teach at and I teach sixth grade English and I'm 110 00:05:51,864 --> 00:05:55,184 there at, you know, by eight o 'clock in the morning. 111 00:05:55,184 --> 00:05:58,964 And then by 10 o 'clock in the morning, I'm at my brother's dental practice and 112 00:05:58,964 --> 00:06:00,694 I'm managing that. 113 00:06:00,694 --> 00:06:02,694 And so it's just like a lot of driving. 114 00:06:02,694 --> 00:06:05,684 And then I also have a side gig where I tutor. 115 00:06:06,084 --> 00:06:11,328 So I would say three to four nights a week or three to four days a week. 116 00:06:11,328 --> 00:06:12,820 since I got my first eye. 117 00:06:12,820 --> 00:06:18,200 been gone from like 730 in the morning to 730 at night, between tutoring, 118 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,020 podcasting, two jobs. 119 00:06:22,340 --> 00:06:23,530 it's just been a lot. 120 00:06:23,530 --> 00:06:26,100 It's been a lot and I'm, I'm house hunting. 121 00:06:26,140 --> 00:06:31,780 So I feel like taking one of these things off my plate is like, going to be kind of 122 00:06:31,780 --> 00:06:33,100 a game changer. 123 00:06:33,980 --> 00:06:36,740 and it doesn't like change my finances or anything. 124 00:06:36,740 --> 00:06:40,902 And I'm not saying like, I'm never going to go back to teaching, but I also. 125 00:06:40,938 --> 00:06:42,318 like me. 126 00:06:42,618 --> 00:06:44,198 I couldn't find a way to do it. 127 00:06:44,198 --> 00:06:48,468 So I was like, I can't just be doing it. 128 00:06:48,468 --> 00:06:49,408 one thing. 129 00:06:49,408 --> 00:06:54,828 Well, plus tutoring and podcasting, but, but one actual full time job instead of 130 00:06:54,828 --> 00:07:00,308 two part time jobs where one of the part time jobs is still full time, but, but I'm 131 00:07:00,308 --> 00:07:03,868 like finagling it in a way where I'm shaving hours here and there. 132 00:07:03,868 --> 00:07:08,828 So that was like my big thing that happened in the last like two weeks that I 133 00:07:08,828 --> 00:07:11,056 didn't dive into when we were. 134 00:07:11,258 --> 00:07:12,508 buzzed on. 135 00:07:12,508 --> 00:07:15,088 wine talking about Nicholas Galatian. 136 00:07:15,368 --> 00:07:18,249 So that's like my big piece of 137 00:07:18,416 --> 00:07:22,656 I don't have anything travel or work related to share, but I will say, Caitlin 138 00:07:22,656 --> 00:07:28,476 and I went to this epic event last night at the bougie bookstore in Norwood. 139 00:07:28,476 --> 00:07:30,786 If you've listened before, you've heard us talk about it a bunch. 140 00:07:30,786 --> 00:07:33,116 Caitlin and I had both been there actually separately. 141 00:07:33,116 --> 00:07:37,016 And we've shared a lot of content from them on our Instagram. 142 00:07:37,036 --> 00:07:40,876 This was their first ever, what they were calling the Bookstagram bash. 143 00:07:40,876 --> 00:07:45,616 So people who are book lovers and who like to share their thoughts on Instagram and 144 00:07:45,616 --> 00:07:46,888 TikTok were... 145 00:07:47,156 --> 00:07:48,376 all over this place. 146 00:07:48,376 --> 00:07:52,216 Everyone would come do take us to roll and they sold every single one. 147 00:07:52,216 --> 00:07:57,456 And I just want to shout out some particular things that they did. 148 00:07:57,456 --> 00:08:01,136 I plan all of the events in my workplace so I notice these things. 149 00:08:01,136 --> 00:08:06,016 First of all, when we got there, the social media manager Cassie recognized us 150 00:08:06,016 --> 00:08:06,728 immediately. 151 00:08:06,728 --> 00:08:10,676 she was like, my God, Molly and Caitlin from the podcast, which is just like, 152 00:08:10,676 --> 00:08:13,636 our faces like we hadn't even checked in yet. 153 00:08:13,636 --> 00:08:17,656 We did I didn't even give him a name and she goes from the podcast the podcasters 154 00:08:17,656 --> 00:08:18,056 are here. 155 00:08:18,056 --> 00:08:19,728 I was like, excuse me 156 00:08:19,728 --> 00:08:20,508 It was so great. 157 00:08:20,508 --> 00:08:24,048 That's the type of person you want like front of house who knows who's on the list 158 00:08:24,048 --> 00:08:25,668 and who's showing up. 159 00:08:25,668 --> 00:08:28,588 They made name tags that were magnetic. 160 00:08:28,588 --> 00:08:33,328 The reason I'm mentioning that is I can't stand when name tags are on like a pin and 161 00:08:33,328 --> 00:08:34,968 it punctures your outfit. 162 00:08:34,968 --> 00:08:36,840 So I love that they thought of that. 163 00:08:36,972 --> 00:08:40,012 a sticker and my hair gets caught in it. 164 00:08:40,012 --> 00:08:44,392 Also, the inflow stickers you could add to your name tag with pronouns. 165 00:08:44,392 --> 00:08:45,592 I had never seen that before. 166 00:08:45,592 --> 00:08:46,992 I thought it was awesome. 167 00:08:46,992 --> 00:08:50,572 Caitlin mentioned she's seen it in other events, so I was like, wow, this is so... 168 00:08:50,572 --> 00:08:52,832 Schools are pretty big on it now. 169 00:08:52,832 --> 00:08:53,712 ...considering. 170 00:08:53,712 --> 00:09:01,152 So once we passed the entrance point, we got a swag bag that was full of... 171 00:09:01,152 --> 00:09:03,652 I know that includes a scavenger hunting. 172 00:09:03,652 --> 00:09:05,940 They have these hot pink ducks. 173 00:09:05,940 --> 00:09:08,914 all over the space and the ducks had book titles on their. 174 00:09:08,914 --> 00:09:10,034 fathers. 175 00:09:10,211 --> 00:09:13,268 and if you could find all of them you could get extra raffle tickets. 176 00:09:13,815 --> 00:09:16,375 There was also a bingo board. 177 00:09:16,375 --> 00:09:21,955 And instead of letters or numbers on each square, there was a fact that you had to 178 00:09:21,955 --> 00:09:26,815 learn about somebody like, I use Goodreads, or like, I love Romanticie, or 179 00:09:26,815 --> 00:09:28,995 I just started my book talk. 180 00:09:28,995 --> 00:09:33,655 And the person would sign their name on whatever square was applicable to them. 181 00:09:33,655 --> 00:09:35,685 So it was a really fun way to chat with people. 182 00:09:35,685 --> 00:09:39,475 And it's how I wound up following a bunch of people on social media. 183 00:09:39,755 --> 00:09:40,695 And if 184 00:09:41,038 --> 00:09:45,138 social media handles were also on those magnetic name tags. 185 00:09:45,798 --> 00:09:47,018 Super organized. 186 00:09:47,018 --> 00:09:47,599 Yeah. 187 00:09:47,599 --> 00:09:48,839 should have said that. 188 00:09:48,839 --> 00:09:49,528 So. 189 00:09:49,528 --> 00:09:53,026 amount of preparation that they had to do for this. 190 00:09:53,026 --> 00:09:58,546 asked Jamie when we got there, I was like, so is this your entire career? 191 00:09:58,546 --> 00:10:02,326 Do you have another and she that's when she said she was a full time nanny in my 192 00:10:02,326 --> 00:10:05,826 in the car ride with Molly, I was like, they have to be teachers. 193 00:10:05,826 --> 00:10:10,486 Like the amount of emails that we got with what to expect there will be a place to 194 00:10:10,486 --> 00:10:14,178 hang your coat if you want to buy alcoholic beverages like 195 00:10:14,250 --> 00:10:17,850 you name it and they were like, you will have to carry your purse around. 196 00:10:17,850 --> 00:10:21,490 This is an event where you're going to be like doing a lot of activities and walking 197 00:10:21,490 --> 00:10:22,050 around. 198 00:10:22,050 --> 00:10:25,130 So like everyone knew what they were getting into. 199 00:10:25,130 --> 00:10:30,390 And then you got this folder itinerary with the duck scavenger hunt and the book 200 00:10:30,390 --> 00:10:33,290 bingo and everybody started with two raffle tickets. 201 00:10:33,290 --> 00:10:38,790 So even if that wasn't like your shtick, you still got raffle tickets just by 202 00:10:38,790 --> 00:10:40,030 showing up. 203 00:10:40,070 --> 00:10:40,872 It was 204 00:10:40,872 --> 00:10:41,854 un - 205 00:10:41,854 --> 00:10:42,374 organized. 206 00:10:42,374 --> 00:10:44,936 I told Molly I felt like I was on a field trip. 207 00:10:44,936 --> 00:10:46,451 Thank you. 208 00:10:46,451 --> 00:10:51,231 And the bougie bookstores inside of the unknown marketplace, which is this sort of 209 00:10:51,231 --> 00:10:53,691 like shopping thrift place. 210 00:10:53,751 --> 00:10:56,991 And if anyone's been to the Crompton Collective in Worcester, it's very 211 00:10:56,991 --> 00:10:57,871 similar. 212 00:10:57,911 --> 00:11:01,751 They closed it just for this event from seven to 10. 213 00:11:01,751 --> 00:11:06,491 Throughout the space, they had high top tables, which had, you know, more pins and 214 00:11:06,491 --> 00:11:07,931 beautiful floral decorations. 215 00:11:07,931 --> 00:11:11,011 They had a friendship bracelet making station. 216 00:11:11,011 --> 00:11:13,142 They had a bookmark making station. 217 00:11:13,142 --> 00:11:19,062 And then we got into the very back room, the big room, I would find the star of the 218 00:11:19,062 --> 00:11:19,902 story. 219 00:11:19,922 --> 00:11:24,842 And then the bookmarkers would have a budget table and here, food salesman. 220 00:11:24,842 --> 00:11:30,822 They also had all these fun desserts, and they had themed meals. 221 00:11:30,822 --> 00:11:31,739 So it was like... 222 00:11:31,739 --> 00:11:34,719 bookish blondies or like the blondie brownies. 223 00:11:34,719 --> 00:11:39,279 They had paranormal pretzels, which were like chocolate dipped pretzels. 224 00:11:39,279 --> 00:11:43,055 They had, I think it was like. 225 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,040 like, true art, true art. 226 00:11:46,042 --> 00:11:47,202 Crème de crème. 227 00:11:47,202 --> 00:11:48,042 crème. 228 00:11:48,042 --> 00:11:53,062 And they were like, because they had a section that was like stickers on it. 229 00:11:53,062 --> 00:11:54,062 Like, I need to read. 230 00:11:54,062 --> 00:11:55,082 I need to read. 231 00:11:55,082 --> 00:11:58,842 I mean, they were inside of everything. 232 00:11:58,882 --> 00:12:00,312 It was so much fun. 233 00:12:00,312 --> 00:12:00,995 I loved it. 234 00:12:00,995 --> 00:12:04,315 also brought our bookmarks out in public for the first time. 235 00:12:04,315 --> 00:12:05,235 It was awesome. 236 00:12:05,235 --> 00:12:06,705 People were so excited about it. 237 00:12:06,705 --> 00:12:08,575 They were so complimentary about the designs. 238 00:12:08,575 --> 00:12:10,430 It was a great way to chat with people. 239 00:12:10,430 --> 00:12:14,910 bingo really gave us opportunities when we were getting our bingo card signed by 240 00:12:14,910 --> 00:12:19,450 people, not only to like follow each other on Instagram, but be like, here's a 241 00:12:19,450 --> 00:12:21,950 bookmark for our podcast, like if you're interested. 242 00:12:21,950 --> 00:12:26,450 So that was like a really nice segue to like network at the event. 243 00:12:26,450 --> 00:12:29,756 I also want to say, because Molly didn't point this out and I'm shocked. 244 00:12:29,756 --> 00:12:30,314 that that am 245 00:12:30,314 --> 00:12:32,714 everything was pink themed. 246 00:12:33,454 --> 00:12:38,484 So like all of the raffle gifts and like the whole like raffle gift area, 247 00:12:38,484 --> 00:12:44,474 everything had like pink backdrops, all the high top tables, pink linens, they had 248 00:12:44,474 --> 00:12:49,634 pink pens, like at every station, we got a little pink notebook in our grab bag, like 249 00:12:49,634 --> 00:12:55,752 everything was pink, because that's, you know, how the bougie bookstore rolls. 250 00:12:56,136 --> 00:12:58,670 And it's hard to have a dark paint with a lot of... 251 00:12:58,670 --> 00:13:01,930 like a magenta and I had a shirt that had magenta in it also. 252 00:13:01,930 --> 00:13:05,710 And so there was like kind of a theme going on. 253 00:13:05,710 --> 00:13:11,130 And I will, there were also guys there, which was like kind of surprising with the 254 00:13:11,130 --> 00:13:11,610 ones. 255 00:13:11,610 --> 00:13:16,010 I think the guys that were there, at least one of them works at a bookstore. 256 00:13:16,010 --> 00:13:19,360 So he was like, I wanted to come and see what all this was about. 257 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:24,875 People drove from all over the state to come to this event. 258 00:13:24,875 --> 00:13:31,475 I hope our airplane is not a trap for unarmed smart people. 259 00:13:31,475 --> 00:13:33,538 One thing I that 260 00:13:33,538 --> 00:13:36,098 was like, I drove more for more than an hour away. 261 00:13:36,098 --> 00:13:40,018 And that was like a spot that you could sign on the bingo card. 262 00:13:40,018 --> 00:13:41,420 It was unbelievable. 263 00:13:41,420 --> 00:13:41,640 me. 264 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:47,090 They also helped us to shop the other part of the place with what was around. 265 00:13:47,090 --> 00:13:50,220 They were so kind to people that could get to us. 266 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:51,095 So I'm 267 00:13:51,095 --> 00:13:54,315 you finished finding all the ducks or finishing your bingo, you could just 268 00:13:54,315 --> 00:13:55,755 browse and shop. 269 00:13:55,755 --> 00:14:00,429 I bought a hat that says dog mom on it. 270 00:14:01,288 --> 00:14:07,727 And it's this one right puffy like color. 271 00:14:07,748 --> 00:14:11,347 It's awesome. 272 00:14:11,347 --> 00:14:13,707 post a picture of it on our Instagram so everyone can see. 273 00:14:13,707 --> 00:14:17,107 I'm going to wear it today in honor of Mother's Day on one of my scout walks. 274 00:14:18,227 --> 00:14:20,547 But there were so many cute and fun things. 275 00:14:20,547 --> 00:14:22,107 And there was a photo booth. 276 00:14:22,107 --> 00:14:25,907 Also, they set up a very cool backdrop that looked like... 277 00:14:25,907 --> 00:14:29,567 They used real books to make what looked like wallpaper almost behind. 278 00:14:29,567 --> 00:14:33,487 And then at the very end of the night, everybody gathered to find out who the 279 00:14:33,487 --> 00:14:37,207 raffle winners were for the 20 plus prizes. 280 00:14:37,247 --> 00:14:40,020 Caitlin and I both went hard on securing extra... 281 00:14:40,020 --> 00:14:42,960 or other things, like we were very much, I much. 282 00:14:43,100 --> 00:14:46,087 I don't know. 283 00:14:46,087 --> 00:14:51,307 into the same two items, just praying it would improve my chance. 284 00:14:51,967 --> 00:14:57,267 I won not one, but two of the raffle baskets and two of the biggest ones on the 285 00:14:57,267 --> 00:14:58,787 entire table. 286 00:14:58,787 --> 00:15:02,687 The first one Jamie had put together from the bougie bookstore, I had a mix of like 287 00:15:02,687 --> 00:15:09,209 bookmarks and candles and it has a key chain that says hot girls hit curbs. 288 00:15:09,630 --> 00:15:11,704 Which is like 16, I would say. 289 00:15:11,704 --> 00:15:14,782 Mommy, I'm going to show you the piano. 290 00:15:14,782 --> 00:15:18,442 browse shopping and she was like, this is me as a teenager. 291 00:15:18,442 --> 00:15:21,162 And then she won it in the basket. 292 00:15:21,162 --> 00:15:23,379 The karma was like through the roof. 293 00:15:23,379 --> 00:15:24,119 was unbelievable. 294 00:15:24,119 --> 00:15:30,119 And then I also was interested in the basket from Berkeley publishing, which has 295 00:15:30,119 --> 00:15:34,099 a romance, my fave has a romance division. 296 00:15:34,319 --> 00:15:39,179 I noticed it because Kate Spencer's book in a New York minute was on the top. 297 00:15:39,179 --> 00:15:40,019 I've read that book. 298 00:15:40,019 --> 00:15:41,299 I loved it. 299 00:15:41,299 --> 00:15:46,269 I wound up also winning that basket, which had six books in it. 300 00:15:46,269 --> 00:15:47,159 Six! 301 00:15:47,159 --> 00:15:48,047 Like. 302 00:15:59,830 --> 00:16:03,910 we're going to give away a copy of In a New York Minute by Kate Spencer because 303 00:16:03,910 --> 00:16:09,442 now Molly has two and so we'll figure out what we want to do. 304 00:16:09,802 --> 00:16:14,782 We're also thinking about maybe doing a giveaway because we hit 200 followers on 305 00:16:14,782 --> 00:16:19,882 Instagram after going to this event and meeting so many cool people. 306 00:16:19,882 --> 00:16:23,692 Steph, one of the first people that I talked to to get to sign my bingo card, 307 00:16:23,692 --> 00:16:28,662 her name's Kalisha and she's the manager of Porter Square Books. 308 00:16:29,642 --> 00:16:30,242 Yes. 309 00:16:30,242 --> 00:16:30,722 Yep. 310 00:16:30,722 --> 00:16:33,342 And I was like, my gosh, I was just there on Indie Bookstore day. 311 00:16:33,342 --> 00:16:35,342 And she was like, my God, did you have a good time? 312 00:16:35,342 --> 00:16:37,401 And I was like, loved it. 313 00:16:38,186 --> 00:16:41,406 But I don't remember seeing her there, but she was probably behind the scenes. 314 00:16:41,406 --> 00:16:43,926 There were so many things going on that day. 315 00:16:44,695 --> 00:16:45,755 It was awesome. 316 00:16:45,755 --> 00:16:50,295 Major shout out to Jamie and Cassie and Erin and everybody else from Bougie 317 00:16:50,295 --> 00:16:51,455 Bookstore who worked on this. 318 00:16:51,455 --> 00:16:56,595 And before we move on from this, one of the things in the raffle basket that I won 319 00:16:56,595 --> 00:16:58,575 was another blind date book. 320 00:16:58,575 --> 00:17:01,595 Those who've been listening for a while may remember I bought a blind date book 321 00:17:01,595 --> 00:17:02,545 the last time I was there. 322 00:17:02,545 --> 00:17:06,215 It wound up being a book called Famous for a Living. 323 00:17:06,235 --> 00:17:08,521 So I thought we would open this one together. 324 00:17:14,486 --> 00:17:19,426 it's like there's calligraphy and like gems glued on to it. 325 00:17:19,426 --> 00:17:24,346 And it's Yeah, I mean, you should have seen this bookmark bar to some some of the 326 00:17:24,346 --> 00:17:25,186 like, 327 00:17:25,354 --> 00:17:29,214 equipment, I guess I would say, like to make the bookmarks. 328 00:17:29,214 --> 00:17:32,404 I mean, like they had tassels for you to tie into it. 329 00:17:32,404 --> 00:17:37,344 And like, it was like no detail when without careful consideration. 330 00:17:37,344 --> 00:17:39,314 It was super fun. 331 00:17:39,554 --> 00:17:39,779 Okay. 332 00:17:39,779 --> 00:17:42,519 gonna read you the description and then we'll see if either of you have a guess of 333 00:17:42,519 --> 00:17:43,339 what it is. 334 00:17:43,339 --> 00:17:46,219 This is a mystery slash thriller book. 335 00:17:46,219 --> 00:17:49,859 It says perfect life equals perfect lie. 336 00:17:50,139 --> 00:17:53,119 High school girl endures public humiliation. 337 00:17:53,379 --> 00:17:58,139 Now she's older and so close to her perfect life, but she has a secret. 338 00:17:58,439 --> 00:18:02,179 And then the last bullet says twists and pressure. 339 00:18:03,579 --> 00:18:04,762 there's a quote on the back. 340 00:18:04,762 --> 00:18:08,052 Moving on, it doesn't mean we don't talk about it. 341 00:18:08,052 --> 00:18:09,002 We're pretty about it. 342 00:18:09,002 --> 00:18:09,471 It's polar. 343 00:18:09,471 --> 00:18:10,465 going to. 344 00:18:11,690 --> 00:18:13,450 luckiest girl alive is my guess. 345 00:18:13,450 --> 00:18:17,990 That would be so I know because she got she won this last night. 346 00:18:17,990 --> 00:18:19,376 I only have 347 00:18:19,376 --> 00:18:20,276 my copy a hardcover? 348 00:18:20,276 --> 00:18:23,046 It must be a hardcover, so I don't know what the paperback looks like. 349 00:18:23,046 --> 00:18:25,056 If that's what it is... 350 00:18:25,056 --> 00:18:25,932 No hard... 351 00:18:25,932 --> 00:18:28,308 again, would be wild. 352 00:18:29,015 --> 00:18:30,703 Okay, I'm gonna unwrap it. 353 00:18:33,592 --> 00:18:35,212 It is indeed. 354 00:18:36,812 --> 00:18:39,307 Luckiest girl alive, Jessica Noll. 355 00:18:39,307 --> 00:18:42,447 And we're reviewing her second book. 356 00:18:42,447 --> 00:18:43,947 Is it her second book? 357 00:18:45,187 --> 00:18:47,627 Okay, her third book, Bright Ann Women. 358 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,220 I didn't, and what's funny is I didn't even pick that. 359 00:18:50,220 --> 00:18:51,307 That was in the basket. 360 00:18:51,307 --> 00:18:52,831 it was in the basket. 361 00:18:53,449 --> 00:18:56,449 But are we going to win? 362 00:18:56,649 --> 00:18:57,229 Yeah, I know. 363 00:18:57,229 --> 00:18:59,521 You need to enter the lottery tonight. 364 00:18:59,671 --> 00:19:03,291 last night after saying she never wins anything. 365 00:19:03,291 --> 00:19:09,771 And then tonight or today she unwraps a mystery book that happens to be the same 366 00:19:09,771 --> 00:19:12,800 author that we're doing for our 29th episode right now. 367 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:16,040 they announced my name the first time, you know, there's people are like cheering and 368 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,870 clapping when my name got announced again for like a huge prize. 369 00:19:19,870 --> 00:19:23,039 People were like, Yeah. 370 00:19:23,039 --> 00:19:24,829 it got a little testy, but it's okay. 371 00:19:24,829 --> 00:19:25,639 It's fine. 372 00:19:25,639 --> 00:19:26,939 It's fine. 373 00:19:26,939 --> 00:19:28,779 It was hilarious. 374 00:19:28,779 --> 00:19:29,919 I loved it. 375 00:19:29,919 --> 00:19:32,839 I loved it because Molly was like, I never win anything. 376 00:19:32,839 --> 00:19:35,699 I'm just starting to get back into the Goodreads giveaways. 377 00:19:35,699 --> 00:19:36,329 La de da de da. 378 00:19:36,329 --> 00:19:37,159 It was hilarious. 379 00:19:37,159 --> 00:19:38,281 I loved it. 380 00:19:38,281 --> 00:19:40,501 should go buy scratchies or something later. 381 00:19:40,501 --> 00:19:41,124 Yeah. 382 00:19:41,124 --> 00:19:42,184 today. 383 00:19:42,404 --> 00:19:44,544 Just keep the good vibes rolling. 384 00:19:45,275 --> 00:19:47,395 something going on for you. 385 00:19:47,395 --> 00:19:52,355 I don't I can't explain it, but it was just and I mean, she was Molly was in her 386 00:19:52,355 --> 00:19:53,075 element last night. 387 00:19:53,075 --> 00:19:59,835 It's not that like I wasn't having a ball, but like she thrives apparently with 388 00:19:59,835 --> 00:20:04,575 competition because she was she had all the ducks in like five minutes. 389 00:20:04,575 --> 00:20:07,475 I was like too busy talking to people with the bingo sheet. 390 00:20:07,475 --> 00:20:10,123 So she like hooked me up with the other like. 391 00:20:10,123 --> 00:20:11,163 Duck book titles. 392 00:20:11,163 --> 00:20:14,403 I think I found three of them and she found the other seven. 393 00:20:14,623 --> 00:20:19,563 And not only that, but she was just like, chatting it up with people and was like, 394 00:20:19,563 --> 00:20:21,383 I'm Molly, this is our podcast. 395 00:20:21,383 --> 00:20:23,833 Like, well, you know, and like, I know how to talk to people. 396 00:20:23,833 --> 00:20:28,683 Like I'm, I'm perfectly capable of schmoozing, but like every time I turned 397 00:20:28,683 --> 00:20:32,263 around, Molly had like a group of people. 398 00:20:32,523 --> 00:20:38,663 So I was just like completely, I was just, it was just so funny because I was like, I 399 00:20:38,663 --> 00:20:39,275 know that. 400 00:20:39,275 --> 00:20:42,775 I know that this is who Molly is and like she's the perfect person to go to an event 401 00:20:42,775 --> 00:20:43,655 like this. 402 00:20:43,655 --> 00:20:47,855 But I also was like, she accomplished so much. 403 00:20:47,855 --> 00:20:52,295 Like I didn't get to the Ducks because I was meeting people. 404 00:20:52,295 --> 00:20:54,665 She got all the Ducks and had met a million. 405 00:20:54,665 --> 00:20:56,015 I was like, how did she do this? 406 00:20:56,015 --> 00:20:57,515 Like what is going where? 407 00:20:57,515 --> 00:20:59,095 How does she have a time turner? 408 00:20:59,095 --> 00:20:59,935 Is she Hermione? 409 00:20:59,935 --> 00:21:01,915 Like, I don't understand what's going on. 410 00:21:01,915 --> 00:21:07,295 So Molly really maxed it out, hit it out of the park and came home with all of the 411 00:21:07,295 --> 00:21:09,269 best prizes, in my opinion. 412 00:21:09,349 --> 00:21:10,036 we're 413 00:21:10,036 --> 00:21:12,896 is that thing happening out? 414 00:21:12,896 --> 00:21:16,086 I was sitting on the couch because my ear was open. 415 00:21:16,086 --> 00:21:18,556 I was just supposed to be on the couch. 416 00:21:19,096 --> 00:21:22,136 And I was like, how is this happening out there? 417 00:21:22,136 --> 00:21:24,353 I was just like, my god. 418 00:21:24,353 --> 00:21:26,173 I don't miss this event? 419 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:30,700 We also, you know, obviously we introduced ourselves to a lot of people, but we were 420 00:21:30,700 --> 00:21:32,880 like live following each other. 421 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,180 And every single time I was like, we have a third cohost, her name is Stephanie. 422 00:21:36,180 --> 00:21:39,660 And anytime we discovered as we were starting to follow someone and knew that 423 00:21:39,660 --> 00:21:43,440 like they had things in common with you, we were making sure that they knew if they 424 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,300 listened to plans or both, they will hear about cats. 425 00:21:45,300 --> 00:21:46,860 There were so many cat moms. 426 00:21:46,860 --> 00:21:48,150 We talked about Taylor Swift. 427 00:21:48,150 --> 00:21:49,520 We talked about so many different things. 428 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:53,519 So you were definitely represented even if you were not physically there. 429 00:21:53,519 --> 00:21:55,058 I appreciate that. 430 00:21:55,679 --> 00:21:58,279 Do you want to say anything else before we get into the webinar? 431 00:21:58,279 --> 00:22:03,039 I think it's important to add that we need to get like, the universe going to us, and 432 00:22:03,039 --> 00:22:05,696 this random, boring day long is the author that we're discussing. 433 00:22:05,696 --> 00:22:06,059 today. 434 00:22:06,059 --> 00:22:09,499 I mean, maybe I should write my query letters today because I just feel like 435 00:22:09,499 --> 00:22:11,139 there's really good energy. 436 00:22:11,319 --> 00:22:13,159 I'm so lucky. 437 00:22:13,579 --> 00:22:14,559 Okay. 438 00:22:14,559 --> 00:22:17,299 Do you remember when Luckiest Girl came out? 439 00:22:17,379 --> 00:22:19,999 We read it a while ago. 440 00:22:20,619 --> 00:22:22,437 2016, I'm going to guess. 441 00:22:22,437 --> 00:22:23,277 on. 442 00:22:23,277 --> 00:22:24,587 Hold on. 443 00:22:24,587 --> 00:22:25,987 2018? 444 00:22:26,267 --> 00:22:27,687 2015. 445 00:22:30,267 --> 00:22:33,747 So, Caitlin and I wrote The Most Faced Girl Alive. 446 00:22:33,747 --> 00:22:37,347 Both of us came away, I mean, maybe we should have started talking back then, 447 00:22:37,347 --> 00:22:43,227 because we had strong feelings about that book, which we'll get into, but I've been 448 00:22:43,227 --> 00:22:46,927 following Jessica Moore on Instagram for a couple years now. 449 00:22:46,927 --> 00:22:49,559 I did not read her second book, but 450 00:22:49,714 --> 00:22:53,284 I've been following her on Instagram for a few years. 451 00:22:53,284 --> 00:22:59,334 I fell in love with her bulldog Beatrice who it literally brought tears to my eyes 452 00:22:59,334 --> 00:23:03,294 in her acknowledgments because Beatrice has since passed on this book. 453 00:23:04,494 --> 00:23:07,434 She also has recently had a daughter. 454 00:23:07,754 --> 00:23:09,444 She's friends with Jenny Han. 455 00:23:09,444 --> 00:23:12,994 There's a lot of great content if you follow her on Instagram. 456 00:23:13,124 --> 00:23:15,704 cooking videos came from something to be desired. 457 00:23:15,704 --> 00:23:21,584 I don't know if someone has a tripod for her phone because she is holding her phone 458 00:23:21,584 --> 00:23:25,484 and stirring or chopping or something with the other hand. 459 00:23:26,424 --> 00:23:27,384 And it drives me nuts. 460 00:23:27,384 --> 00:23:31,584 If someone could give me her address, I will nail her a tripod for her phone. 461 00:23:32,464 --> 00:23:35,750 I pre -ordered this book the moment she came down from 462 00:23:35,750 --> 00:23:39,816 so I knew she was editing this book, she started promowing it months beforehand. 463 00:23:39,816 --> 00:23:42,196 I went to all her books and I pre -ordered it. 464 00:23:42,196 --> 00:23:46,036 And the day it came out, I went and picked it up and I started reading it. 465 00:23:46,036 --> 00:23:49,316 As I established, I am a word right now. 466 00:23:49,316 --> 00:23:53,036 And so he has not mentioned this book for good reason. 467 00:23:53,036 --> 00:24:00,436 This is a story based on the true orders that Ted Bundy did at, was it University 468 00:24:00,436 --> 00:24:00,876 of Florida? 469 00:24:00,876 --> 00:24:01,506 Florida State? 470 00:24:01,506 --> 00:24:02,126 I can't remember. 471 00:24:02,126 --> 00:24:04,016 Florida State University. 472 00:24:06,622 --> 00:24:07,774 I... 473 00:24:08,169 --> 00:24:12,428 I want to say that I think this book is necessarily the only one 474 00:24:12,428 --> 00:24:13,948 people that are into murder. 475 00:24:13,948 --> 00:24:20,228 I think that she has done this book in a way where it's a story about female 476 00:24:20,228 --> 00:24:28,507 survivors, female friendships, female love, with a backdrop where some really 477 00:24:28,507 --> 00:24:30,728 horrible, brutal things happen. 478 00:24:31,928 --> 00:24:35,914 You kind of get the brutality out in the beginning of the book. 479 00:24:35,914 --> 00:24:37,945 So if you're a little squeamish, just... 480 00:24:37,945 --> 00:24:40,825 to try to get the way out. 481 00:24:41,385 --> 00:24:44,665 I mean, you're not going to be do this for these next few weeks on the engine, but 482 00:24:44,665 --> 00:24:46,425 then you're going to do it now. 483 00:24:46,425 --> 00:24:48,532 And it is helpful with the engine. 484 00:24:48,532 --> 00:24:52,712 is sexualized and their survival. 485 00:24:52,712 --> 00:24:56,692 I don't know what else to say. 486 00:24:56,692 --> 00:25:00,352 I just started off, I just want to add a little bit to this. 487 00:25:00,352 --> 00:25:03,012 Male, female, not a veteran. 488 00:25:03,012 --> 00:25:04,906 I just think this is a piece of - 489 00:25:04,906 --> 00:25:08,364 beautifully researched and beautifully written book. 490 00:25:08,457 --> 00:25:08,997 it. 491 00:25:08,997 --> 00:25:14,088 And it's interesting that I did not want to talk about it because I enjoyed this. 492 00:25:14,088 --> 00:25:15,168 book. 493 00:25:15,208 --> 00:25:23,928 Her first book was, I'm sorry to say very clunky and there were too many conflicts 494 00:25:23,928 --> 00:25:24,418 in it. 495 00:25:24,418 --> 00:25:25,508 That's what we talked about. 496 00:25:25,508 --> 00:25:28,798 It was two stories kind of spliced together. 497 00:25:28,798 --> 00:25:29,748 Yeah. 498 00:25:29,748 --> 00:25:33,397 So her first book has a 499 00:25:33,397 --> 00:25:33,820 really. 500 00:25:33,820 --> 00:25:35,880 tragic school shooting happened. 501 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:41,879 She also, the main character has like a videotaped sexual assault. 502 00:25:41,900 --> 00:25:46,560 And she also is pretending that none of those things happened to her in her adult 503 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,439 life to just like propel herself forward. 504 00:25:49,439 --> 00:25:53,300 And it was too many things. 505 00:25:53,300 --> 00:25:57,840 And some people would probably argue like, okay, well that all those things could 506 00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,040 have happened to one person. 507 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,649 And it's like, yes, but it would have been 508 00:26:01,649 --> 00:26:01,764 been better. 509 00:26:01,764 --> 00:26:05,484 if it had been three separate books where like the character was dealing with each 510 00:26:05,484 --> 00:26:06,884 of those things. 511 00:26:06,884 --> 00:26:14,944 I thought that this was much more like well edited and I thought that it flowed a 512 00:26:14,944 --> 00:26:18,944 lot better and that she was much better at the character building. 513 00:26:20,924 --> 00:26:28,520 She definitely has a knack for creating some unlikable women like she. 514 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:33,160 This isn't gonna be all women that you're like rooting for and you're like, my gosh, 515 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:38,640 you know, the title bright young women, bright young women can be brutal and 516 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,680 bright young women can be difficult and they might not be people that you were 517 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,460 friends with, but they still have a ton of potential. 518 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:50,420 And because some of the characters were killed so young, it's like, we don't know 519 00:26:50,420 --> 00:26:54,620 what they would have gone on to become and they could have been really great people. 520 00:26:54,620 --> 00:26:56,840 It also takes place in the late 70s. 521 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:57,955 So this was like, 522 00:26:57,955 --> 00:26:58,840 you know, each time. 523 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,840 about like some of the characters not wearing bras, like, unless their parents 524 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:03,620 are around. 525 00:27:03,620 --> 00:27:08,400 And like they talk a lot about female liberation and like, learning about having 526 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:09,680 equality in the workplace. 527 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:15,940 And so these are women that, you know, were in school at a pretty pivotal time in 528 00:27:15,940 --> 00:27:21,340 a southern state, and they really could have gone on to make a pretty large impact 529 00:27:21,340 --> 00:27:26,748 in whatever capacity their professional lives took them in their communities. 530 00:27:27,414 --> 00:27:38,354 And so, it was very self -orchestrated that she showed that sometimes the wood 531 00:27:38,354 --> 00:27:41,374 had a successful and so had a fair. 532 00:27:41,734 --> 00:27:46,532 Like, out there in the country, sometimes it was hard times. 533 00:27:46,532 --> 00:27:50,292 with the more emotional things and vice versa. 534 00:27:50,292 --> 00:27:54,092 Sometimes the really emotional people that are in touch with their feelings, like 535 00:27:54,092 --> 00:27:55,594 don't have. 536 00:27:55,784 --> 00:28:00,424 huge success in their professional careers and just kind of navigating that and 537 00:28:00,424 --> 00:28:09,324 showing all different kinds of women and how it can just be gone in a blink. 538 00:28:11,221 --> 00:28:15,661 I hadn't read Luckiest Girl Alive, so this is my first book of hers, so I don't 539 00:28:15,661 --> 00:28:17,521 really have anything to compare it to. 540 00:28:17,521 --> 00:28:23,061 I am not, like, typically a person that goes for the murdery genre. 541 00:28:23,321 --> 00:28:25,121 I loved this book from the first chapter. 542 00:28:25,121 --> 00:28:28,501 I think I texted the two of you to be like, holy crap, I am all the way in on 543 00:28:28,501 --> 00:28:29,141 this. 544 00:28:29,141 --> 00:28:32,320 I felt like it hooked you immediately. 545 00:28:32,521 --> 00:28:38,041 The fact that they never use his name makes it really intriguing, because you're 546 00:28:38,041 --> 00:28:39,981 only really hearing about... 547 00:28:40,309 --> 00:28:46,249 the people who are victims of or part of the community of wherever he found 548 00:28:46,249 --> 00:28:47,289 himself. 549 00:28:47,829 --> 00:28:52,189 I agree with everything Caitlin said about how some of the women are not necessarily 550 00:28:52,189 --> 00:28:57,469 so likable, but they're also kind of like forces to be reckoned with, the characters 551 00:28:57,469 --> 00:28:59,809 in Pamela and Tina especially. 552 00:29:00,049 --> 00:29:02,979 I have a thing about understanding where titles come from. 553 00:29:02,979 --> 00:29:07,989 And often when I'm reading a book, I like make a note of where it's clear what the 554 00:29:07,989 --> 00:29:09,730 title is or what the origin is. 555 00:29:09,730 --> 00:29:12,584 And I just want to make sure that I'm not just trying to say that. 556 00:29:14,848 --> 00:29:20,308 says, I've tried to make sense of how someone who didn't stop his victims in 557 00:29:20,308 --> 00:29:23,018 advance ended up going after the best and the brightest. 558 00:29:23,018 --> 00:29:23,968 And I think that's it. 559 00:29:23,968 --> 00:29:25,278 The thing they all have in common. 560 00:29:25,278 --> 00:29:26,628 I would like to let out Joe. 561 00:29:26,628 --> 00:29:31,088 He targets college campuses, sorority houses, because he's looking for the cream 562 00:29:31,088 --> 00:29:32,048 of the crop. 563 00:29:32,048 --> 00:29:34,128 He wants to extinguish us. 564 00:29:34,128 --> 00:29:37,657 We are the ones who are not smart, not that good looking. 565 00:29:37,657 --> 00:29:40,032 There's nothing particularly special about him. 566 00:29:40,032 --> 00:29:41,472 it. 567 00:29:41,472 --> 00:29:43,432 Can I tell you that I kept getting confused? 568 00:29:43,432 --> 00:29:49,652 I kind of tried to tell someone about this book as a promising opponent because yes, 569 00:29:49,652 --> 00:29:54,632 it's very similar to the title of that movie, but it's also kind of similar 570 00:29:54,632 --> 00:30:01,572 meaning -wise about someone who survived and is kind of going down this path 571 00:30:01,572 --> 00:30:04,052 because of what happened to their friend. 572 00:30:04,792 --> 00:30:07,870 Also, you should watch the movie if you haven't and it is brutal. 573 00:30:07,870 --> 00:30:09,342 but it's worth it. 574 00:30:09,692 --> 00:30:12,272 I also thought about constant. 575 00:30:12,292 --> 00:30:33,052 And even if you don't go to court, the witness becomes a part of your daily 576 00:30:33,052 --> 00:30:35,712 experience for the rest of your life. 577 00:30:35,892 --> 00:30:38,077 And her story is more recent. 578 00:30:38,077 --> 00:30:39,381 Chanel's story. 579 00:30:40,284 --> 00:30:44,044 But it just kind of helped me think about those two as kind of in the same universe 580 00:30:44,044 --> 00:30:49,764 where, yes, it developed a crowning, but it's more so about that ripple effect that 581 00:30:49,764 --> 00:30:53,904 was honestly for the rest of the first time on this planet. 582 00:30:54,824 --> 00:30:59,564 I was actually going to bring up Chanel as well. 583 00:30:59,564 --> 00:31:05,200 Because Promising Young Women, Promising Young Woman, the movie. 584 00:31:10,126 --> 00:31:12,252 don't think I realized that. 585 00:31:12,252 --> 00:31:12,492 okay. 586 00:31:12,492 --> 00:31:20,032 So in the Brock Turner case, and he is the man boy garbage person who assaulted 587 00:31:20,032 --> 00:31:23,972 Chanel while she was blackout drunk. 588 00:31:24,032 --> 00:31:27,492 He, you know, went to Stanford and was on the swim team. 589 00:31:27,492 --> 00:31:31,212 And when he got off easy, the judge said, well, you know, he's just, he's a 590 00:31:31,212 --> 00:31:32,182 promising young man. 591 00:31:32,182 --> 00:31:35,277 I'd hate for this to ruin his whole life. 592 00:31:35,277 --> 00:31:39,220 Which is literally the same thing the judge said about Ted. 593 00:31:39,604 --> 00:31:44,844 So, Promising Young Woman, the movie, is a play on what the judge said in the Brock 594 00:31:44,844 --> 00:31:45,984 Turner case. 595 00:31:45,984 --> 00:31:49,834 And then Bright Young Women, when I found out what this book was about, I was like, 596 00:31:49,834 --> 00:31:58,904 okay, so we're playing off all of this, you know, misogynistic, unfair judicial 597 00:31:58,904 --> 00:32:01,264 system that we kind of operate in. 598 00:32:01,264 --> 00:32:02,856 And honestly, I... 599 00:32:02,856 --> 00:32:07,176 you know, I've read a lot of different books about assaults and various different 600 00:32:07,176 --> 00:32:08,056 things. 601 00:32:08,056 --> 00:32:12,456 And, you know, one of the things that comes up again and again is that and it 602 00:32:12,456 --> 00:32:20,696 comes up in this book too, is the judicial process is so long that these people just 603 00:32:20,696 --> 00:32:22,636 have to keep reliving it. 604 00:32:22,636 --> 00:32:26,400 And the main character in this book, Pamela talks about like, 605 00:32:26,632 --> 00:32:31,132 how long it was before she had to get on the stand and say everything that she saw, 606 00:32:31,132 --> 00:32:33,212 like the day that her best friend was murdered. 607 00:32:33,212 --> 00:32:41,392 And like, it's just, it's so excruciating and so intense and damaging. 608 00:32:41,392 --> 00:32:47,632 And then for somebody like Chanel or a lot of these people, they don't even get a 609 00:32:47,632 --> 00:32:52,572 result that's even like tolerable or like manageable. 610 00:32:53,292 --> 00:32:53,737 And... 611 00:32:53,737 --> 00:32:56,557 to go from that, I have to 612 00:33:07,104 --> 00:33:09,584 he becomes a Supreme Court justice. 613 00:33:09,584 --> 00:33:10,472 Just saying. 614 00:33:10,472 --> 00:33:11,632 that too. 615 00:33:11,632 --> 00:33:15,192 I will say I said this to Molly last night. 616 00:33:15,372 --> 00:33:20,972 When I still had like 80 pages left to go in the book, I was like, I like this book. 617 00:33:21,192 --> 00:33:23,532 I'm not sure I was in the mood for it. 618 00:33:23,532 --> 00:33:26,992 We like had planned that this was going to be like our podcast episode. 619 00:33:26,992 --> 00:33:30,292 And sometimes, sometimes people the reading becomes homework. 620 00:33:30,292 --> 00:33:35,552 And so we knew that, you know, both of them had read it and I was the last one to 621 00:33:35,552 --> 00:33:36,172 go. 622 00:33:36,172 --> 00:33:39,618 And so I just I don't know that I was. 623 00:33:39,618 --> 00:33:42,718 that's not necessarily the case. 624 00:33:42,718 --> 00:33:45,012 It's basically like I just come off as like... 625 00:33:45,012 --> 00:33:47,092 a really great YA read. 626 00:33:47,092 --> 00:33:53,522 And then I had to like kind of plunge into this and I did really like it, but I just, 627 00:33:53,522 --> 00:33:55,072 I'm not sure. 628 00:33:55,072 --> 00:33:58,872 It feels like a wintry book and maybe not a May book, you know, like I'm feeling 629 00:33:58,872 --> 00:34:02,352 like let's get the shorts out and the sandals and the pedicures. 630 00:34:02,352 --> 00:34:07,712 And I'm like, no, I got to read about some asshole murderer who just destroyed these 631 00:34:07,712 --> 00:34:08,989 women in this. 632 00:34:08,989 --> 00:34:09,729 this sorority. 633 00:34:09,729 --> 00:34:11,189 It's the most important thing. 634 00:34:11,189 --> 00:34:17,079 Well, suppose our spiritual leader, I feel like this is the major reason for it. 635 00:34:17,079 --> 00:34:20,989 Yeah, I feel like I just take breaks. 636 00:34:20,989 --> 00:34:26,869 You know, what I feel about to be a part of this board, I can't even imagine myself 637 00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:33,289 taking a story of me and my people and the weight of that, the responsibility of 638 00:34:33,289 --> 00:34:33,782 that. 639 00:34:33,782 --> 00:34:39,462 like fictionalizing it and praying you do not offend somebody and also that you get 640 00:34:39,462 --> 00:34:44,002 it right and sort of do the people that were murdered justice. 641 00:34:44,082 --> 00:34:48,253 I would not sleep, so I could never take on this kind of book. 642 00:34:48,253 --> 00:34:52,332 You know, it's like too, too, too, too, too 643 00:34:52,332 --> 00:34:53,372 this all the time, right? 644 00:34:53,372 --> 00:34:58,252 Like she takes, you know, the Rat Pack or Fleetwood Mac and Serena Williams, like 645 00:34:58,252 --> 00:34:59,632 she fictionalizes. 646 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:05,240 kind of like a loop that she takes their life story like the loose parts of it and 647 00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:08,500 then she cultivates something that's fictionalized. 648 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:13,660 But there's not as much at stake with those stories like because it's so loose. 649 00:35:13,660 --> 00:35:15,860 It's like is it about is it inspired by them? 650 00:35:15,860 --> 00:35:16,530 Is it not? 651 00:35:16,530 --> 00:35:22,880 And she you know, she kind of like remains low key on that and this like she used the 652 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:29,580 same school like like it's very clearly like Ted Bundy and so. 653 00:35:42,925 --> 00:35:47,405 it's her acknowledgment. 654 00:35:47,405 --> 00:35:48,586 She talks about... 655 00:35:48,586 --> 00:35:50,346 article that sort of spawned this. 656 00:35:50,346 --> 00:35:52,346 Do you remember what medium it was from? 657 00:35:52,346 --> 00:35:54,586 Was it Moenstone? 658 00:35:54,586 --> 00:35:56,246 Okay, that's what I thought. 659 00:35:56,445 --> 00:36:02,326 I think it was the night I finished it, I went and read that article and it sat so 660 00:36:02,326 --> 00:36:03,866 heavy with me. 661 00:36:03,866 --> 00:36:05,630 I mean, I just... 662 00:36:05,852 --> 00:36:12,392 never just pull a surrogate like, hey, I'm not afraid of this. 663 00:36:12,592 --> 00:36:16,252 I just don't have a function for that, clearly she does. 664 00:36:17,212 --> 00:36:18,952 I hope she wants awards for this book. 665 00:36:18,952 --> 00:36:20,932 I think it was a necessary book. 666 00:36:20,932 --> 00:36:22,812 Who else was gonna write this? 667 00:36:23,201 --> 00:36:28,641 also talked a lot about cover art and the way that covers jump off a table or jump 668 00:36:28,641 --> 00:36:29,981 off of a shelf. 669 00:36:29,981 --> 00:36:32,801 This cover is bright yellow. 670 00:36:32,801 --> 00:36:38,381 It has a hot pink look at a woman's, you know, upper part of her face and then very 671 00:36:38,381 --> 00:36:41,321 bold font and text at the bottom. 672 00:36:41,321 --> 00:36:44,700 This is a book that is impossible to ignore if you saw it in a bookstore. 673 00:36:44,700 --> 00:36:45,060 store. 674 00:36:45,060 --> 00:36:48,550 It also looks straight out of the 60s or 70s. 675 00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:51,220 Yeah, that's what I thought it would be about. 676 00:36:52,488 --> 00:36:59,328 I think the other compelling aspect of it and what made me, I don't want to say more 677 00:36:59,328 --> 00:37:04,568 willing to read it, but more willing to give it a chance because on the surface, I 678 00:37:04,568 --> 00:37:08,188 think a fictionalized story about Ted Bundy, well, about the women that were 679 00:37:08,188 --> 00:37:11,508 victims of Ted Bundy, that could be a hard sell. 680 00:37:12,188 --> 00:37:15,668 But Jessica Knoll is also a survivor of sexual assault. 681 00:37:15,668 --> 00:37:20,988 And so that to me, I was like, this was probably the research might've been 682 00:37:20,988 --> 00:37:22,504 cathartic for her. 683 00:37:22,504 --> 00:37:26,864 Writing the book probably was fairly empowering. 684 00:37:27,504 --> 00:37:31,604 And I'm imagining that she made some connections with people, that that was 685 00:37:31,604 --> 00:37:35,904 part of their story, and that maybe it was like really healing for both parties. 686 00:37:35,904 --> 00:37:37,764 That's at least my hope. 687 00:37:38,564 --> 00:37:42,904 And now that I finished the book, I definitely will go and dig into some 688 00:37:42,904 --> 00:37:47,286 interviews and some other things that she did around this book because I'm curious. 689 00:37:50,856 --> 00:37:52,376 What are we reading? 690 00:37:55,154 --> 00:38:00,374 so I've been, well first, okay, so I binged Jessa Hastings Magnolia Parks, 691 00:38:00,374 --> 00:38:01,958 which Caitlin had given me. 692 00:38:02,523 --> 00:38:06,323 after we finish recording, I'm going to hop up to Belmont Books because I pre 693 00:38:06,323 --> 00:38:10,243 -ordered the rest of the series and I have to go pick it up because it's arrived. 694 00:38:10,423 --> 00:38:12,573 What I want to say about this series. 695 00:38:13,422 --> 00:38:14,853 the viewers want to hear it. 696 00:38:14,853 --> 00:38:24,153 was 20s, had this like connectional person that was like totally couldn't get out of 697 00:38:24,153 --> 00:38:31,233 your head, the chemistry was boneless, and then they betrayed you, and then you fell 698 00:38:31,233 --> 00:38:34,993 apart and you explored that room to talk to them again and you hated them, and then 699 00:38:34,993 --> 00:38:39,013 you fell back together, and then every time you fell back together again you 700 00:38:39,013 --> 00:38:39,711 remembered... 701 00:38:39,711 --> 00:38:43,724 in the midst of it that they're just going to hurt you again. 702 00:38:43,966 --> 00:38:45,157 You mean? 703 00:38:45,157 --> 00:38:51,297 wrote a 31 song double album called The Tortured Poets Department about a decade 704 00:38:51,297 --> 00:38:54,917 long situationship that she went back and forth to like that? 705 00:38:54,977 --> 00:38:55,677 Yeah. 706 00:38:56,657 --> 00:38:58,047 Obviously, this is theoretical. 707 00:38:58,047 --> 00:39:00,277 I'm not speaking from personal experience. 708 00:39:00,277 --> 00:39:01,617 Never. 709 00:39:02,757 --> 00:39:04,017 This book. 710 00:39:04,017 --> 00:39:06,957 Well, first of all, who doesn't love their parents? 711 00:39:06,957 --> 00:39:09,531 Okay, I just love to like sit in that. 712 00:39:09,531 --> 00:39:12,001 for a day in the sun and just read it. 713 00:39:12,001 --> 00:39:18,571 So Magnolia Parks is the daughter of a music mogul and ex -model. 714 00:39:18,651 --> 00:39:24,871 They have exorbitant amount of wealth and her fixation is she can spot when someone 715 00:39:24,871 --> 00:39:30,731 walks in the designer, the year, every single detail of the person's outfit. 716 00:39:30,731 --> 00:39:30,858 So, 717 00:39:30,858 --> 00:39:32,211 that's something that's really on point. 718 00:39:32,211 --> 00:39:33,701 but I also kind of loved it. 719 00:39:33,701 --> 00:39:37,805 I did not look it up because that would have slowed this book down once like. 720 00:39:37,955 --> 00:39:41,575 She fell in love when she was little with this boy, BJ. 721 00:39:41,575 --> 00:39:48,015 He's the older brother of her best friend, Henry, and he is also, you know, a one 722 00:39:48,015 --> 00:39:48,895 -percenter. 723 00:39:48,895 --> 00:39:52,875 And there's this group of them that they get together for dinners and they call it 724 00:39:52,875 --> 00:39:56,155 full box set when all of them are at the dinners. 725 00:39:56,155 --> 00:39:59,395 And they are all so messy. 726 00:39:59,485 --> 00:40:04,005 And we know at this point, she's 22, he's 25, that he has betrayed her. 727 00:40:04,005 --> 00:40:06,321 We don't know exactly what you get. 728 00:40:06,326 --> 00:40:08,926 understand Vanessa, what goes on in her mind. 729 00:40:08,926 --> 00:40:09,996 And they fall back. 730 00:40:09,996 --> 00:40:13,250 And they're a different part, and they're a different part of her life. 731 00:40:13,473 --> 00:40:18,483 What makes this book interesting is like, at one point she starts dating a pilot and 732 00:40:18,483 --> 00:40:21,495 she's like, he's a pilot, let's go on vacation. 733 00:40:21,561 --> 00:40:25,281 And one of the friends is like, we all have our own planes, why do we have to 734 00:40:25,281 --> 00:40:25,911 take his plane? 735 00:40:25,911 --> 00:40:28,065 Like it's that level of like, 736 00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:30,430 in regards to health. 737 00:40:32,170 --> 00:40:37,630 Maybe it's just my opinion, because the arrest of a female that has been de 738 00:40:37,630 --> 00:40:41,370 -escalated, this was like such a huge mistake. 739 00:40:42,011 --> 00:40:42,811 escape. 740 00:40:43,369 --> 00:40:47,229 I feel like the whole thing is kind of like crazy with Asians because as 741 00:40:47,229 --> 00:40:47,989 successful as it was. 742 00:40:47,989 --> 00:40:49,225 Exactly. 743 00:40:51,081 --> 00:40:52,981 I'm reading two books. 744 00:40:53,421 --> 00:40:57,561 One of them I got on Indie Bookstore Day. 745 00:40:57,561 --> 00:41:04,901 I wanted to get this book that's by, I don't know how to say her middle name, but 746 00:41:04,901 --> 00:41:08,421 it's Sasha Taksablou Lapointe. 747 00:41:08,421 --> 00:41:12,821 She is an Indigenous person. 748 00:41:12,821 --> 00:41:16,541 She's from the Salish community, which is in the Pacific Northwest. 749 00:41:16,881 --> 00:41:18,017 And... 750 00:41:18,057 --> 00:41:22,397 She has a book of essays that just came out that I was really interested in, but 751 00:41:22,397 --> 00:41:23,397 they didn't have it. 752 00:41:23,397 --> 00:41:26,587 And so then they asked me if I had read her first book, which was a memoir. 753 00:41:26,587 --> 00:41:27,747 And I said, no. 754 00:41:27,747 --> 00:41:29,457 And then that's what I bought. 755 00:41:29,457 --> 00:41:34,887 And it is a really interesting story. 756 00:41:34,887 --> 00:41:39,017 I would call it like coming of age in some ways, because she talks about like when 757 00:41:39,017 --> 00:41:43,137 she moves out of her parents' house for the first time and like her first real 758 00:41:43,137 --> 00:41:44,717 romance and. 759 00:41:46,169 --> 00:41:51,949 identifying as an Indigenous woman, even though she like didn't participate in a 760 00:41:51,949 --> 00:41:57,808 lot of the more like ceremonial things growing up. 761 00:41:57,808 --> 00:42:04,519 It's just like a glimpse of life that is totally unfamiliar to me. 762 00:42:04,519 --> 00:42:07,689 And she also is like a self identified punk. 763 00:42:07,689 --> 00:42:08,909 So that's kind of fun. 764 00:42:08,909 --> 00:42:12,189 And like, she's around our age. 765 00:42:12,329 --> 00:42:14,297 And so like, 766 00:42:14,386 --> 00:42:15,981 night I was with her, 767 00:42:15,981 --> 00:42:19,631 Washington and like all of that, like she's very much a part of that. 768 00:42:20,001 --> 00:42:21,381 so I'm about halfway through that. 769 00:42:21,381 --> 00:42:25,801 And then I got Carly Fortune's new book, which is called This Summer Will Be 770 00:42:25,801 --> 00:42:26,361 Different. 771 00:42:26,361 --> 00:42:29,381 And I'm about 50 pages into that. 772 00:42:29,381 --> 00:42:33,060 And that one is like a forbidden romance. 773 00:42:34,021 --> 00:42:38,881 two women, one of them is from Prince Edward Island. 774 00:42:39,141 --> 00:42:43,521 and she takes her roommate that she lives in Toronto with home. 775 00:42:43,703 --> 00:42:47,783 for like two weeks, one's up and one's out. 776 00:42:47,783 --> 00:42:51,723 And one of the problems is we don't have a job. 777 00:42:51,723 --> 00:42:54,657 We don't have a job, so we have to do it. 778 00:42:54,657 --> 00:43:01,737 PEI for two weeks of just like oysters and wine and beach and being besties. 779 00:43:01,737 --> 00:43:09,617 And the first night that she's there, she's there solo and she meets a boy and 780 00:43:09,617 --> 00:43:10,822 the boy... 781 00:43:10,822 --> 00:43:12,582 ends up like this. 782 00:43:12,582 --> 00:43:14,687 And we'll come back to do it. 783 00:43:14,687 --> 00:43:16,927 and I'm not getting it right. 784 00:43:17,167 --> 00:43:21,047 And I just want to stop it from being a bad situation. 785 00:43:21,827 --> 00:43:26,987 And it happens in that summer when they're like, not doing anything. 786 00:43:27,127 --> 00:43:31,207 And to present day, I'm the best friend. 787 00:43:31,207 --> 00:43:33,157 It's like 10 days out of the day. 788 00:43:33,157 --> 00:43:33,757 married. 789 00:43:34,317 --> 00:43:40,802 And so obviously the best friend has to go back to PEI where this for 790 00:43:40,802 --> 00:43:42,222 Bidding's Way. 791 00:43:42,942 --> 00:43:49,542 And it started, it started off with, well, it's not choosing, it's a choice. 792 00:43:49,542 --> 00:43:52,922 And now, it's a choice. 793 00:43:52,922 --> 00:43:54,655 It's a choice. 794 00:43:54,655 --> 00:43:58,621 -for -tentative fun, fun, free -for -all thing. 795 00:43:58,621 --> 00:44:00,435 thing. 796 00:44:01,782 --> 00:44:05,212 I loved her book every summer after, so I can't wait to read this. 797 00:44:05,212 --> 00:44:07,822 I also read the second book, Meet Me at the Lake, but the first one I really 798 00:44:07,822 --> 00:44:10,062 loved, loved Capital L. 799 00:44:10,062 --> 00:44:14,802 I am reading a book called One in a Millennial by Kate Kennedy. 800 00:44:14,802 --> 00:44:17,162 I've followed Kate for a really long time. 801 00:44:17,162 --> 00:44:22,502 She actually left her corporate job to pursue something that was a side hustle 802 00:44:22,502 --> 00:44:26,762 and became a full -time business where she was making doormats that said funny things 803 00:44:26,762 --> 00:44:28,886 like, turn off your curling iron. 804 00:44:28,918 --> 00:44:30,208 And it became so successful. 805 00:44:30,208 --> 00:44:32,898 She was able to sustain herself just with that. 806 00:44:32,898 --> 00:44:37,738 And then she launched this pop culture podcast called be there in five. 807 00:44:37,738 --> 00:44:39,598 She is a huge Swifty. 808 00:44:39,598 --> 00:44:45,328 She watches every TV show movie that is, you know, on the top of every list. 809 00:44:45,328 --> 00:44:49,938 And I just find her commentary so smart and also so funny. 810 00:44:49,938 --> 00:44:55,018 So when I learned that she was going to be coming out with a book about nostalgia of 811 00:44:55,018 --> 00:44:58,190 the eighties and nineties, I couldn't wait to read it. 812 00:44:58,454 --> 00:45:03,674 They're mostly personal essays and there are these deep dive moments within them 813 00:45:03,674 --> 00:45:06,774 like she has a long tangent about American Girl dolls. 814 00:45:06,774 --> 00:45:10,934 I'm currently in a chapter where she's talking about popular girl handwriting. 815 00:45:11,214 --> 00:45:19,834 It's just very relatable for anyone who was born I would say between maybe 1980, 816 00:45:21,234 --> 00:45:23,594 1988 is kind of the range. 817 00:45:24,325 --> 00:45:27,345 I'm about 120 pages and it's about 350 pages. 818 00:45:27,345 --> 00:45:31,325 I'm excited for the upcoming essays to see what else she covers. 819 00:45:31,325 --> 00:45:33,925 She's currently on tour promoting this book. 820 00:45:33,925 --> 00:45:37,325 She does powerpoint presentations at her tour stops. 821 00:45:37,325 --> 00:45:40,565 That's how she brings people into her universe. 822 00:45:40,685 --> 00:45:43,455 And pre -COVID she has done a lot of township dance parties. 823 00:45:43,455 --> 00:45:45,470 She just has a lot in common with us. 824 00:45:45,470 --> 00:45:49,970 So I'm excited to finish and hopefully pass on to you gals. 825 00:45:51,201 --> 00:45:54,901 I'm really looking forward to reading that one, but I do not listen to her podcast. 826 00:45:54,901 --> 00:45:56,621 I just follow her on socials. 827 00:45:56,621 --> 00:46:03,441 She's such a fan of tampons and deep dives and can get off the highway and take 10 828 00:46:03,441 --> 00:46:05,301 rows, you know, down the left. 829 00:46:05,301 --> 00:46:06,241 It's fantastic. 830 00:46:06,321 --> 00:46:06,641 All right. 831 00:46:06,641 --> 00:46:08,341 I'll have to check it out. 832 00:46:08,341 --> 00:46:12,781 If you want to go read it, you want to enter some of the links that are in the 833 00:46:12,781 --> 00:46:14,414 description below. 834 00:46:14,414 --> 00:46:16,914 us on Instagram over at PlansAreBooked. 835 00:46:16,914 --> 00:46:21,014 If you have a recommendation for a book you think we should cover, please shoot us 836 00:46:21,014 --> 00:46:21,264 a note. 837 00:46:21,264 --> 00:46:24,386 You can write to us at plansarebooked at gmail .com. 838 00:46:25,381 --> 00:46:28,461 until next time, our plans are booked.