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You're listening to the Bible Guys,
a podcast where a couple of friends talk

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about the Bible in fun, in
practical ways. Welcome to the Bible guys.

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I'm just making stuff up. Wow. Yeah, Hey, my name

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is Chris, this is Jeff,
and we want to welcome you. Whether

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you're joining us on a Tuesday,
or you're back watching and binging there you

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go, yes, or you know, just back listening just hoping Chris would

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sing to us this morning. Well
I made that up. It could be

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our new jingle to everything, and
I don't think so. Okay, Well,

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hey, today we're opening up with
a segment called mail Bags. There

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you go, mail Bags, Mailbags, and today Jason R. Writes in

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and Jason R. Says this,
we've seen both your musical sides. So

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my question is if you started a
band with five of your closest friends,

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what would the band's name be and
what kind of songs would you sing?

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That is such an interesting question.
Wow. First of all, thank you

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Jason Jason for caring. Well.
I wonder what kind of band? What

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kind of band would we have?
Yeah? First of all, five closest

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friends, holy cow? Like would
you do? Like a rock band?

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I, I don't know. You're
probably pop band. I mean you're a

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Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift. Listen. That's the thing that you remember,

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because that's the thing. It's either
it's either gonna be you want to make

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fun of me. It's either gonna
be. It's either going to be a

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pop band, you and Taylor,
or it's gonna be it's gonna be theater

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like like you're gonna have a theater
trip Taylor. Right, so you and

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you and you and Zach listen.
I like all sorts of music. You

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know. When I lived in Atlanta, call your band Zach Swift, Oh

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my, there you go. Oh
my word, Taylor Refron, that'd be

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awesome, or a Swift Swift,
there you go. When I lived Atlanta,

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I had no choice but to like
country music more. I like the

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requirements. Like law. It was. If they put you over and you

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listen to something besides country music,
you take it, you get in trouble.

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I actually, uh, country music
by far was my favorite genre of

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music, and then I moved up
here. For some reason, it just

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wasn't around me. And I'm not
the kind of person that just seeks out

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music if it's around me right.
So I don't know that that's a weird

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statement, but I don't like,
like play a lot of music. I

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don't go out of my way to
buy CDs back in the day or something

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like that, so, uh,
you know, make a playlist today,

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those kinds of things. So I
so I just I just sort of,

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you know, like listen to the
stuff that's sort of playing. And I

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loved country music and so and so. Yeah, I mean one of my

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favorite artists today, you know,
actually a lot of them still country music.

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So I would actually say I would
shoot for country Boots, Scoot and

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Zarbagh, and I would call the
name of my band you call it,

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I would call it. Uh,
that's hard, that's hard. That's a

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hard question, Jason. Okay,
So I just ran it through. I

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said, give me a cool rock
band name that this is your give me

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ten cool rock band names for a
lead singer named Jeff. They gave me

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some dumb ones Jeff's Electric Revival,
Sonic, Jeff'scape, Jeff's Orbit. Right,

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So then I said ten more aggressive
names, and it gave me Cataclysmic

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Jeff, Jeff's Anarchy. But the
best one, well, there's vengeance of

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Jeff. That's kind of the savage. Jeff Uprising. There you go.

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Wow, that's that's so. There
you go, Jeff Savage, Jeff Uprising.

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Can you do? Can you do
me a favorite? Since you have

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it right there? A country band
with somebody named Chris. Give me give

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me a country band name with a
lead singer name with a lead singer named

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Chris. Okay, let's see they
see this is good. This is good

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for those who don't use the best
one. Yeah, okay. Chris and

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the Heartland Drifters. Chris, Chris
and the Heartland Drifter. That's rough.

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You want more about it? Only
gave you I only asked it for one.

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Oh we go. Here's five more. Chris, Chris Cannon and the

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Ridge Riders. I like that.
The Whiskey Hollow Boys with Chris, Oh

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the Whiskey. There you go.
Chris Prairie and the Sunset Strummers. Oh

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wow, Chris Lonesome in the High
Planes. No, no, no,

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read it again. Chris Crossroads in
the Dusty Boots. Oh wow, that's

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pretty good. Okay, but what
did I say Chris Prairie and the Sunset

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Strummers. Is that your name is
the Sunset strummers kidding me? Chris Prairie

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and the Sunset Strummers. That is
that is so good? It's so bad,

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it's so good. How about this? Uh? Let me let me

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do this? Oh my word,
give me a country band name mixing Taylor

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Swift and Zach Effron For Chris Sarba, why'd you say? For Chris?

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Okay, here we go. It's
gonna be crazy. Those are three big

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Chris Zarba and the Swift Horizons.
Where's Zach in there? I don't know

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where Zach left? Well, nobody
likes Zach Efron saidt you Well, it's

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check. GPT doesn't have a choice. It has to follow your instructions.

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Where's Zach Effron? Are you kidding
me? It's my apologies for missing that

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detail. For a country band name
that combines elements of Taylor Swift and Zach

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Effront For Chris Sarba, how about
Chris Sarbon and the Swift Shorelines? Still

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didn't do it? See, it's
just on purpose leaving out. Hey,

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you should contact Zach Effron and let
him know that chet GPT's on purpose of

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going. I think actually he listens, does he? Ye? He's listening

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right, Yeah, i'd imagine,
at least I think so. In your

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heart, in your heart, your
heart tells you, your heart tells you.

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Okay, if you're a new listener, you're probably wondering what the deal

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is. Very long time ago,
we had a different podcast, yes,

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and in it, I asked,
Chris, in the inevitable movie that's made

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of your life, who would you
have play? Chris, I've gotten grief

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since Ever since then, I haven't
been able to let it go. At

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least every six weeks I bring this
back. And it's the same thing with

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the Taylor Swift thing. I just
admitted that I liked Taylor Swift's You're a

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SWIFTYE. I said, I enjoyed
it. That something I remember it,

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something like, you're obsessed. She's
a national treasure. Okay, So anyways,

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there you go. So hey,
so we're going to vote for yours.

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Then your band name is better than
my band name. There's there's no

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question that that's my band name,
Chris Prairie and the Sunset Strummers. There's

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no question. There's no question.
That's so good. Okay, it'll forever

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be my band aid. It's so
good. Okay, that's fantastic. This

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is one of my favorite segments ever. Well, we sort of them.

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You know, you sort of saved
it, right because I couldn't come up

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with anything and you pulled that g
GPT makes everything better? Yes, that

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makes everything better. That's so funny. All right, So we're actually entering

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in how about this segue? Gonna
we're gonna say, way to murder?

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Well before that sex first sex?
Oh yeah, well I mean so this

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is a PG thirteen lesson? Yeah
today, that's right? Yeah, yeah,

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PG thirteen. I would say,
well, I get whatever, that's

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a parent's discretion. Yes, what
age? Shall we have the talk?

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Because my because chances are have you
wait till thirteen? Yeah? They already

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know. I know. But when
you say PG thirteen, everybody goes,

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oh, I know what you're talking
about. That's true. If you say

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eight, they think you're going to
be talking about, you know, arguing

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with your mom and dad. There's
a big differ that and right right,

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right, right, Okay. Anyways, here we are. We are in

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Genesis chapter four, and we're going
to read one through sixteen. He says,

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Now, Adam had sexual relations with
his wife and she became pregnant,

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and when she gave birth, to
Cain, she said, with the Lord's

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help, I have produced a man. Later, she gave birth to his

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brother and named him Abel. When
they grew up, Abel became a shepherd

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while King cultivated the ground, and
when it was time for the harvest,

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Kin presented some of his crops as
a gift to the lord. Abel also

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brought a gift, the best of
the first born lambs from his flock,

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and the Lord accepted Abel in his
gift, but he did not accept Cain

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and his gift, and this made
Cain very angry, and he looked dejected.

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Why are you so angry? The
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look so dejected. You will be
accepted if you do what is right.

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But if you refuse to do what
is right, then watch out. Sin

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is crouching at the door, eager
to control you, but you must subdue

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it and be its master. One
day, Kin suggested to his brother,

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let's go out into the fields,
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Kane attacked his brother Abel and killed
him. Afterward, the Lord asked,

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Kan, where's your brother? Where's
Abel? I don't know. Caan responded,

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am I my brother's guardian? But
the Lord said, what have you

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done. Listen, your brother's blood
cries out to me from the ground.

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Now you are cursed and banished from
the ground which has swallowed your brother's blood.

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No longer will the ground yield crops
for you, no matter how hard

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you work. From now on,
you'll be a homeless wanderer on the earth.

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Kane replied to the Lord, my
punishment is too great for me to

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bear. You've banished me from the
land, from your presence. You've made

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me a homeless wanderer. Anyone who
finds me will kill me. The Lord

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replied, no, for I will
give a sevenfold punishment to anyone who kills

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you. Then the Lord put a
mark on Cain to warn anyone who might

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try to kill him. So Cain
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land of Nod, east of Eden. Mercy. Yes, that's what he

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needs. Yeah, no doubt.
And this is a crazy story. Yes,

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it's crazy, And there's a lot
of indicators here, you know,

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principles that actually translate for us today. Right. So obviously Adam and Eve

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had two kids, so that's just
pretty that's pretty normal. They grew up

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and then it goes out of its
way to say that Abel was the one

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that brought a gift, but it
describes the gift. It says, the

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best of the firstborn lambs from his
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we know that that was the thing
that was right, right because he

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says, why are you dejected?
Why are you? And by the way,

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God's question is very logical, you
know, he's saying, he's saying,

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I don't understand why you're angry because
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I've said that if you do what
is right, then it'll be, it'll

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be, everything will be good.
But if you do what is wrong,

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then watch out sins at the door. So you know, don't don't give

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in a sin. I mean,
that's a very good answer. But again

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they're brand new at this, right, I can only imagine. But you

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know, here's another crazy thought.
So Adam and Eve lived to be what

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nine hundred something? Yes, right, So back then, and that's a

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whole other topic altogether. We won't
get into that. Well, we'll get

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to it eventually. We'll get to
it eventually. But so then the question

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is this, how old does Cain
and Able actually have to be in order

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to be grown adults to perform these
kind of things. So so you know,

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we think in our minds, oh, thirty years, but who knows

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how long it could have been.
Could have been hundreds of years, right,

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so we don't know. But it
says they grew up and then,

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you know, and then this happened. So either way, in my mind,

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I'm thinking Cain should know better.
Cain's been around the garden. This

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isn't the first sacrifice that they've had. It didn't say it was the very

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first. It just says when it
came time for the harvest, which indicates

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seasons, right, you know.
So anyway, it's just it's just pretty

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crazy how Cain was so angry when
God's rules were so clear. To me,

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you know, I often wonder if
there's something missing in the story.

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Mm hmm. It's not like God's
just arbitrary and goes, I like you,

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I don't like you. I don't. I just don't believe that that's

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what happened. I think that there's
an obedience disobedience thing, or an intent

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issue here. You know. Perhaps
it was you know, Abel brought the

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very best, and it does say
that the best of the firstborn lambs whereas

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it says that Kine presented some of
his crops. Right, so there's a

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some of his crops. Idea,
let me grab some pumpkins and some whatever.

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Hey, it's time for it's time
for the offering. Let me just

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stuff lose change in my pocket.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, as opposed

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to intentionality, right, you know
he stopped off at CVS and and bought

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some gift cards, right? Right? Right? Did you did you go

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to the airport gift shop? Right? Exactly? As opposed to to the

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Bible says that the Able brought the
best of the firstborn lames, so he

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brought the very best, and Kine
just brought some. And I think that

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there's a significant difference in those two
that the Bible is making on purpose.

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But I also wonder if the thing
that's missing is did God to already tell

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them what I want is sacrifice?
Oh? I mean, I'm just assuming

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that. I'm assuming. I thought
that was assumed because because he says to

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Cain, why do you look so
dejected? You'll be accepted if you do

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what is right well without I mean, God can't make well. In my

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mind, the logic says that God
is not going to make that statement without

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having already established, having already established
what is right. Yeah, the system

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that is set up, because it
might have been right, heart, he

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brought me the best, and you
know you didn't. Well, okay,

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right, so I didn't have to
be in my mind that that's like a

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rule, right, That statement doesn't
necessarily say a perfect lamb. The difference

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is Abel brought me the very best, and you know that you didn't.

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So it could have been that,
or it could have been both. Right

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that God had already established when you
bring an offering to me, bring me

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a perfect lamb. And so Abel
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do know coming out of this all
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are lambs, right, and the
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right, the very best without blemish, without spot. Yeah, you

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know that first fruits idea, which
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the Bible talks about bringing the first
fruits of your increase. That may be

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it is this is the best versus
leftovers. I think about that with regard

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to my wife and I were just
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our income and so we need to
rea just our tithes, and I said,

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hey, you know, we were
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we bring it out of. Only
we get paid twice a month, which

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check do we tithe out of?
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bit more of a struggle for us
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rather than the second check in the
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that. Let's let's give from that
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establishing it from the front end,
that it's on purpose that we're giving the

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first and the best. And it's
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thinking, am I giving the best? Or am I just giving the leftovers?

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A lot of people tip God,
and God is not working for tips,

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right, Yeah, for sure,
He wants the very best of what

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we have. And so I think
that every time we sit there thinking about

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an offering, every time we're thinking
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God wants nothing short of our very
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what he did for us. And
then another thing that is not mentioned by

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word, but is the word jealousy
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think about think about this idea.
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ever that Cain or excuse me,
that Abel did anything wrong. You know,

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remember how like like later on we're
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his brothers wanted to murder him.
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little bit, you know, it
talks about you know, you can sort

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of see that he bragged and you
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you know, all these sorts of
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a direct connect between Able's offering between
get this him and God. It has

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nothing to do with with Cain,
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Abel's righteousness, his relationship with his
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that. And so it's interesting how, you know, it doesn't mention it.

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the lines. Or actually it's it's
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nothing wrong, and yet Cain killed
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coveted the relationship that Abel had with
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now again that connected to a lot
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sermons in there, Cain's desire ultimately
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was to be loved by God the
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his offering. So it's interesting,
isn't it. So he has this jealousy,

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but in the end, his desire
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what he was jealous of, which
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So, you know, a lot
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you know people. You know,
I'm not saying we, I'm saying the

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world will make fun of Christians and
put them down. But on the inside,

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they admire their conviction, they admire
their faith. They say, wow,

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I wish I could believe in something
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there's something in all of us that
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And he may not even realize that
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right, But he was just overcome
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calls him to change, right,
does invite him and say, hey,

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listen, this isn't the end.
You made a mistake, this isn't the

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end of the world. Here,
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you know, God always invites us
before we get into deep. God always

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invites us to just to go make
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right, you know, I just
was in a conversation with somebody here recently

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that needed a little bit of correction. And this guy is a good leader,

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he's a good man. But you
never know when you come in.

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It was, you know, in
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and I thought this could go one
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humble person, he's going to accept
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this is going to expose it.
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you know, come in and this
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quite because we're all sinners, right, man, this guy, there's an

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Indian uh. There's an Indian proverb
that says, when somebody shovels down on

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you, keep your mouth shut,
right, which is such a great phrase.

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That is an Indian proverb. It's
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And he did so here he's getting
some bad news, he's getting some

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stuff he doesn't want to hear.
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at the table for a minute,
and then he looked up and he said

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Okay, I'm gonna accept that.
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moment, it was this humility that
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we just talked. We sat and
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three of us sitting there, and
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all have blind spots. That's all. It's just a blind spot. Here's

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an opportunity to maybe make things better. And he did. That's what God

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does with King. God says,
hey, listen, there's a blind spot

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here. That's all. Why you're
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Came. Let this jealousy turn into
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rage. And he actually, it's
the first murder, right, right,

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the first murder in human in human
history is a result of something that was

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so easily fixable. But he took
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tend to take correction so personal.
I'm a farmer, I'm not a shepherd.

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Right, you take what I gave
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we want to do that with God. We want to worship God the way

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we want to worship him rather than
the way that God has already prescribed to

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be worshiped. Right, and then
we go, oh, you give me

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this correction. It's a personal thing. It's a personal assault. I mean,

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it's not personal. I just want
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so go fix it and then everything
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of bitterness, and this bitterness eventually
ruins not only you know, his life,

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but his brother's life, and then
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existence on the planet. Yeah.
I'm reading this little note in the Life

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Application Study Bible that talks about Abel
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strength and accomplishments, and at lists
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It says number one, he's mentioned
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known as the Hall of Faith in
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of Hebrews was talking about the Old
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their faith and how their actions prove
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not ascribed very many, very many
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Abel comes and goes, right,
He's mentioned in a few verses. We

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don't really know much about him.
We just know he's faithful, and we

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know he's dead. That's really it. That's it. And yet he's mentioned

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in the Hall of Faith, which
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the very first Shepherd. Now think
about the significance of how Jesus used the

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symbolism of shepherd, right, that's
pretty cool. And yet Abel is the

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very first shepherd. And then he's
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It references Matthew twenty three thirty.
I don't know what that is, but

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I think I'm gonna look it up. Well, I hand it over back

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to you, because that's pretty cool. So there's a big application here,

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and it's this mentioned here in the
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sin into the human race. They
may have thought that their sin eating a

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piece of fruit wasn't very bad,
but notice how quickly their sinful nature developed

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into their children. Simple disobedience quickly
degenerated into outright murder. Adam and Eve

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acted only against God, but Cane
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A small sin has a way of
growing out of control, So let God

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help you with your little sins before
they turn into tragedies. What a great

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application. Right, Hey, we
think that that little lie, we think

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that that little flirt, we think
that that second drink. We think we

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can go on and on. All
these little sins we don't think are a

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big deal. But ultimately it was
one generation later. A piece of fruit

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leads to murder, and that's what
happens. Sin unchecked will always lead the

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tragedy like a snowball rolling down the
hill. That's right, that's right,

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that gets bigger and bigger as it
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that reference that I referenced there,
Matthew twenty three thirty five, it's

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actually just referring to when Jesus was
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hey, you've killed the prophets,
and he said, and he said,

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just like Abel was murdered, you
will kill some by crucifixion. He

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was really referred to himself. And
that's interesting, isn't it. So he's

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referring he was saying that Abel died
for truth. Yes, he goes for

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good. Here, I'll just read
it to you. It says, as

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a result he's talking to them,
you'll be held responsible for the murder of

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all godly people of all time,
from the murder of the righteous able for

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the murder of Zachariah, whom you
killed in the temple, between the sanctuary

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and the altar. I tell you
the truth, this judgment will fall on

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this very generation. Wow. And
he's including himself obviously, Jesus, because

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the verse befo. So it was
acknowledging that ables the first martyr. That's

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right, that's right. And in
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martyr. That's fact Chapter seven.
First Christian martyr, first Christian martyr.

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That's right in the New Testament.
So interesting. So, hey, that's

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a great that's a lot and I'm
sure that we did we cover everything.

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Oh yeah, we just hit the
surface, we really did, ye.

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So so hey, address those little
things before they get out of control and

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turn into a tragedy. That's great. Well, that's a good closing thought

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and we will see you next time, hopefully on the bibble guys,