1 00:00:00,049 --> 00:00:03,340 Then I landed in a place that was solid. 2 00:00:03,990 --> 00:00:08,130 It still had this sort of other side feel to it. 3 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:10,050 But it was a facility. 4 00:00:10,100 --> 00:00:10,930 It was a room. 5 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,640 It was indirect lighting there. 6 00:00:13,980 --> 00:00:16,470 There was equipment gurneys and tables. 7 00:00:16,620 --> 00:00:17,400 And right in front of me, 8 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:19,990 there were these three short little hooded guys. 9 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:26,780 And they were about four foot tall and they had on these dark robes with a hood 10 00:00:27,630 --> 00:00:30,170 and they were overjoyed to see me. 11 00:00:30,670 --> 00:00:34,415 And they were giggling and bouncing around, they were bumping 12 00:00:34,415 --> 00:00:38,835 into each other and I was just, in a a state of, amazement. 13 00:00:44,525 --> 00:00:49,365 My guest today is Bill Letson, who's a former firefighter who had a near death 14 00:00:49,365 --> 00:00:51,145 experience after he contracted the flu. 15 00:00:51,875 --> 00:00:52,965 Bill, welcome. 16 00:00:53,095 --> 00:00:55,045 And thank you so much for coming on the show today. 17 00:00:55,143 --> 00:00:55,883 Thank you, Rod. 18 00:00:55,943 --> 00:00:56,743 It's my pleasure. 19 00:00:56,853 --> 00:00:59,583 It's quite an honor to be interviewed from Australia. 20 00:00:59,948 --> 00:01:00,188 All right. 21 00:01:00,198 --> 00:01:02,318 Is it your first time somebody from Australia has interviewed you? 22 00:01:03,703 --> 00:01:04,343 I think so. 23 00:01:04,863 --> 00:01:05,433 Oh, cool. 24 00:01:05,483 --> 00:01:07,153 Well, I'm glad to be the first. 25 00:01:07,153 --> 00:01:10,153 I guess there's not many people who do what I do, at least not at this stage. 26 00:01:10,153 --> 00:01:12,233 I imagine in five years time, there'll probably be loads of us. 27 00:01:13,030 --> 00:01:13,580 Will be. 28 00:01:13,830 --> 00:01:14,980 Yeah, absolutely. 29 00:01:15,310 --> 00:01:15,700 Okay. 30 00:01:15,700 --> 00:01:19,220 So, well, how about you give us a little bit of your background growing up? 31 00:01:19,220 --> 00:01:20,430 Cause I'm always interested in that. 32 00:01:20,470 --> 00:01:22,050 And then tell us about your NDE? 33 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,640 Yeah, I grew up here in California little town, 34 00:01:25,180 --> 00:01:30,050 played sports and got interested in the fire department for, when I was about 18. 35 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,850 And once I got on a fire crew at 19 years old and you get out there and that, 36 00:01:34,950 --> 00:01:38,500 and it's real thrilling for a teenager and I just fell in love 37 00:01:38,500 --> 00:01:39,540 with it and never looked back. 38 00:01:40,540 --> 00:01:42,760 And, I was with the Forest Service, U. 39 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:42,870 S. 40 00:01:42,870 --> 00:01:47,320 Forest Service for 10 years and did all that stuff, helicopters and backcountry 41 00:01:47,320 --> 00:01:49,630 ranger and engines and hot shots. 42 00:01:50,265 --> 00:01:55,225 And got on with Santa Barbara County full time when I was in my late twenties. 43 00:01:56,125 --> 00:01:57,575 And I retired, it was 35 years. 44 00:01:57,575 --> 00:02:03,585 I retired in 2010 and yeah, it's wonderful life here. 45 00:02:03,728 --> 00:02:04,068 NDE. 46 00:02:04,068 --> 00:02:04,268 35 years. 47 00:02:04,268 --> 00:02:06,758 That's a long time to have the same occupation. 48 00:02:06,768 --> 00:02:08,458 And you always enjoyed turning up to work every day? 49 00:02:08,550 --> 00:02:09,630 I loved every shift. 50 00:02:09,700 --> 00:02:10,930 I would have done it for free. 51 00:02:11,590 --> 00:02:12,820 Yeah it had everything, 52 00:02:12,830 --> 00:02:14,640 it was exciting and it was dangerous. 53 00:02:14,660 --> 00:02:16,400 And and you were helping people 54 00:02:16,660 --> 00:02:20,660 and I didn't really realize how powerful that was until I was in my thirties. 55 00:02:21,350 --> 00:02:25,060 Cause you know, I was just a young guy and I started realizing, that it really 56 00:02:25,060 --> 00:02:28,520 hit me in the heart, when you cut an old guy out of a car or something, it 57 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:34,900 was like, you go to bed at night going, man, this is, it's a crazy job really, 58 00:02:34,900 --> 00:02:37,240 if you can really affect people's lives. 59 00:02:37,625 --> 00:02:41,805 When you're doing something that can really affect people like that, I guess 60 00:02:41,805 --> 00:02:44,035 you can sort of take it for granted because you're all doing the same thing. 61 00:02:44,035 --> 00:02:46,545 Everybody in your team, everybody you work with is all doing the same thing and 62 00:02:46,545 --> 00:02:51,675 then occasionally an event occurs where you kind of go, whoa, we just did that. 63 00:02:51,879 --> 00:02:52,629 yeah, we just did it. 64 00:02:52,669 --> 00:02:55,319 And, sometimes you about two, every two or three years, 65 00:02:55,369 --> 00:02:58,429 you'd get burned over or electrocuted or something. 66 00:02:58,999 --> 00:03:02,009 And that's just the nature of firefighters it's hazardous. 67 00:03:03,044 --> 00:03:06,624 I remember a couple of times, a family would say, you, you 68 00:03:06,624 --> 00:03:08,154 landed hard in that helicopter. 69 00:03:08,184 --> 00:03:11,364 People got hurt and it's like, well, it's worth it. 70 00:03:12,474 --> 00:03:13,484 We were doing something cool. 71 00:03:13,484 --> 00:03:15,034 We were, back country rescue. 72 00:03:15,154 --> 00:03:16,647 And so, yeah, it's a great job. 73 00:03:16,937 --> 00:03:19,207 Yeah, we were talking, when we were talking off air, so my parents 74 00:03:19,257 --> 00:03:23,227 well, my dad's like 72, 73 now, and he's a volunteer firefighter, so he 75 00:03:23,227 --> 00:03:27,167 kind of manages and coordinates the local all the fire brigades around 76 00:03:27,597 --> 00:03:29,587 the county, I guess, in your terms. 77 00:03:30,307 --> 00:03:33,027 And you're talking about burned over, yeah, he got burned 78 00:03:33,027 --> 00:03:34,277 over once, so he was out. 79 00:03:34,762 --> 00:03:40,662 We call them utes here, in his truck and he had water on the back and there's a lot 80 00:03:40,662 --> 00:03:44,932 of tall trees and it was a really windy day and just the wind like reversed, came 81 00:03:44,932 --> 00:03:48,472 the other way and by the time they'd like radiated what was going on, he was like, 82 00:03:49,852 --> 00:03:51,392 I'm blocked, like I can't get out of it. 83 00:03:52,062 --> 00:03:53,102 That'd be a pretty scary moment. 84 00:03:53,102 --> 00:03:54,702 I imagine that's probably happened to you as well. 85 00:03:54,992 --> 00:03:58,212 Obviously he survived, but he had to go right over, went straight 86 00:03:58,212 --> 00:03:58,962 over the top of his truck. 87 00:04:00,137 --> 00:04:00,527 Yeah. 88 00:04:00,567 --> 00:04:00,877 Yeah. 89 00:04:00,907 --> 00:04:01,877 I've been in a few of those. 90 00:04:01,897 --> 00:04:03,937 A couple of them are written up there. 91 00:04:04,422 --> 00:04:07,352 And the guys behind us in another truck didn't survive. 92 00:04:07,422 --> 00:04:10,982 And, there was a few of those in my career, but I, a 93 00:04:11,062 --> 00:04:12,242 couple of times I was like, 94 00:04:12,272 --> 00:04:14,572 man, I'm never going to make it to retirement at this. 95 00:04:15,282 --> 00:04:19,042 At this rate, but I did, it was kind of surprised. 96 00:04:19,522 --> 00:04:22,012 And but looking back, it was, all of it was worth it. 97 00:04:22,092 --> 00:04:23,112 I'm glad I hung in there. 98 00:04:23,282 --> 00:04:23,662 Yeah. 99 00:04:24,532 --> 00:04:24,842 All right. 100 00:04:24,872 --> 00:04:28,542 So, well, obviously your NDE occurred at some point during your career. 101 00:04:28,672 --> 00:04:30,082 Oh, he gets stuck into that. 102 00:04:31,782 --> 00:04:33,592 Yeah, it was 1994. 103 00:04:33,712 --> 00:04:36,942 I was working in Santa Barbara on a paramedic engine and I 104 00:04:36,942 --> 00:04:40,202 was, Driver, the engineer, and 105 00:04:40,202 --> 00:04:43,292 we had a four man crew, a couple of paramedics and captain and 106 00:04:43,292 --> 00:04:45,712 me, and we were running calls. 107 00:04:45,722 --> 00:04:52,092 It was a typical flu season, but it was a powerful flu, and we went to 108 00:04:52,092 --> 00:04:54,952 a patient, and I got exposed to her. 109 00:04:54,982 --> 00:05:00,412 We were getting her into the hospital, and I took a deep breath of her breath, 110 00:05:00,492 --> 00:05:07,007 and a few days later, I was super ill, and things were, Fading 111 00:05:07,117 --> 00:05:09,457 fast one couple of days into it. 112 00:05:09,527 --> 00:05:14,457 I just couldn't, I couldn't get ahead of what the flu was doing to me. 113 00:05:14,567 --> 00:05:16,137 And I was dehydrated. 114 00:05:16,717 --> 00:05:18,977 My blood pressure was dropping out. 115 00:05:19,077 --> 00:05:20,357 My pulse was racing. 116 00:05:20,857 --> 00:05:24,457 When those two start going different directions, that means your body's 117 00:05:24,457 --> 00:05:29,137 trying to compensate for, not having enough blood circulating. 118 00:05:29,637 --> 00:05:36,337 And I figured it out sort of, and I called for help and eventually 119 00:05:36,337 --> 00:05:39,507 the My fire department showed up, got me in an ambulance. 120 00:05:39,507 --> 00:05:41,477 They got some IVs in me. 121 00:05:43,107 --> 00:05:46,307 And by the time I got to the hospital, they put me in a room in 122 00:05:46,307 --> 00:05:52,927 the emergency room and the place was full of kids and full of adults, all this flu 123 00:05:52,937 --> 00:05:56,267 was really, going hard on the community. 124 00:05:57,147 --> 00:06:01,347 And they were trying to get ahead of all the people coming in 125 00:06:01,387 --> 00:06:02,537 because they couldn't see them. 126 00:06:02,667 --> 00:06:07,327 So they were, they just kind of broadcast prescribed this, something 127 00:06:07,327 --> 00:06:09,237 for pain and something for nausea. 128 00:06:09,927 --> 00:06:15,197 And when the nurse came in, she put it in really fast and, I just keeled over 129 00:06:15,467 --> 00:06:20,467 you're supposed to count those things in, but it wasn't, I mean, I never felt 130 00:06:20,487 --> 00:06:24,057 anything I was never mad about that or anything because it led to this. 131 00:06:24,712 --> 00:06:27,702 event and it was, it's a really life changing event. 132 00:06:27,752 --> 00:06:31,522 When those things happen to you, you have to realize that, you're 133 00:06:31,522 --> 00:06:33,342 not really in charge of this life. 134 00:06:33,402 --> 00:06:37,342 It's kind of a scripted thing and you're going to have these challenges 135 00:06:38,292 --> 00:06:39,482 and you just roll with them. 136 00:06:40,122 --> 00:06:42,262 And that's kind of how I looked at that. 137 00:06:42,372 --> 00:06:47,317 And so my wife was there and I just tanked. 138 00:06:48,097 --> 00:06:50,087 My blood pressure just went all the way out. 139 00:06:50,407 --> 00:06:53,487 I mean, I came in there on my knees with a low blood pressure 140 00:06:54,057 --> 00:06:56,277 and that just dropped it. 141 00:06:58,117 --> 00:07:02,897 painkiller med was a, vasodilator opens up all your vessels. 142 00:07:02,927 --> 00:07:06,617 So my, there was no more, there was no more pressure. 143 00:07:06,617 --> 00:07:09,627 There was no more volume to get the perfusion. 144 00:07:09,727 --> 00:07:15,017 And so, so I was out cold and they couldn't get me back. 145 00:07:15,017 --> 00:07:15,947 My wife was there. 146 00:07:16,227 --> 00:07:20,227 She told me all this and she was writing things down and she said, 147 00:07:20,227 --> 00:07:21,647 they Narcan'd you immediately. 148 00:07:21,757 --> 00:07:23,157 And she wrote it down three times. 149 00:07:23,157 --> 00:07:26,787 They Narcan'd you at like five minute, 10 minute intervals 150 00:07:27,717 --> 00:07:28,977 and they couldn't get you back. 151 00:07:29,227 --> 00:07:32,687 The highest blood pressure she heard was 40 over zero. 152 00:07:33,367 --> 00:07:36,937 And yeah, that's barely hanging on. 153 00:07:37,127 --> 00:07:42,297 And you and I were talking about that athletic stuff before we came on and I 154 00:07:42,297 --> 00:07:44,507 was, at that time I was doing Iron Man's. 155 00:07:45,147 --> 00:07:48,837 One of those nutty guys that, swims before work and runs at 156 00:07:48,837 --> 00:07:51,147 lunch and, cycles on his days off. 157 00:07:51,322 --> 00:07:51,822 hardcore. 158 00:07:52,017 --> 00:07:56,297 And I was just, and they said that you had such an efficient system. 159 00:07:56,357 --> 00:07:59,797 It's probably why you survived because the vitals were just tanked. 160 00:08:01,727 --> 00:08:06,477 They shipped me up to intensive care and put a bunch of, monitoring stuff on me and 161 00:08:06,737 --> 00:08:12,317 oxygen and fluids and head down type stuff and hope for the best. 162 00:08:13,427 --> 00:08:15,417 And it was about 3. 163 00:08:15,417 --> 00:08:17,367 30 in the afternoon when all this happened. 164 00:08:18,137 --> 00:08:23,907 And somewhere in the middle of the night, as far as I can recollect somewhere in 165 00:08:23,907 --> 00:08:25,817 the middle of the night, I left my body. 166 00:08:26,587 --> 00:08:28,587 And I was no longer Bill. 167 00:08:29,117 --> 00:08:32,417 And I was flying through this sea of stars. 168 00:08:33,077 --> 00:08:38,257 And they were these beautiful colored orbs and they had all different colors 169 00:08:38,297 --> 00:08:45,077 and energy and tones and radiating all of this welcoming, this 170 00:08:45,087 --> 00:08:48,907 love and acceptance and joy. 171 00:08:49,387 --> 00:08:56,377 And as I was coming into the realization of that I was this, that I'd been let 172 00:08:56,377 --> 00:08:58,987 out of this hot, stuffy, dark closet. 173 00:08:59,667 --> 00:09:03,697 And then I was this huge expanded cloud of some sort. 174 00:09:03,777 --> 00:09:05,667 It seemed like I went on forever. 175 00:09:06,407 --> 00:09:08,907 And, but I was still me. 176 00:09:08,957 --> 00:09:14,317 I wasn't Bill, the voice in your head that narrates your day 177 00:09:14,347 --> 00:09:16,957 and, tells you, I was still me. 178 00:09:16,967 --> 00:09:18,397 That was a seamless transition. 179 00:09:18,397 --> 00:09:20,337 I was still me, but I wasn't a human being. 180 00:09:21,237 --> 00:09:26,257 And and the first thing I thought was, man, what was that? 181 00:09:26,957 --> 00:09:28,227 That was rough. 182 00:09:28,457 --> 00:09:32,127 What I meant by that was this human this time as a human. 183 00:09:32,977 --> 00:09:37,387 That was, I was just really startled that it was such rough duty. 184 00:09:38,387 --> 00:09:41,317 And I was really happy to be free of that. 185 00:09:42,947 --> 00:09:51,017 And I was, as I was flying along, once that cleared, the thing 186 00:09:51,017 --> 00:09:52,597 that was going on in my head was, 187 00:09:53,057 --> 00:09:56,767 how in the world did I forget who I really was? 188 00:09:57,437 --> 00:10:03,327 How is it possible that I believed I was this guy, this dude who had 189 00:10:03,337 --> 00:10:06,867 all these problems, had and, what his opinion on this and that was 190 00:10:06,867 --> 00:10:09,347 and who was cool and who wasn't and. 191 00:10:10,497 --> 00:10:11,997 What the future was gonna hold for him. 192 00:10:12,207 --> 00:10:13,197 All of that stuff. 193 00:10:14,697 --> 00:10:18,297 And I was deep into it and all of that stuff was an illusion. 194 00:10:18,647 --> 00:10:21,697 It was a game that we play here. 195 00:10:21,702 --> 00:10:25,077 It's like, a trick or almost a joke 196 00:10:25,197 --> 00:10:30,597 and not downplaying anybody's importance in life, but it's almost 197 00:10:30,777 --> 00:10:32,697 a joke we play on ourself to see. 198 00:10:35,122 --> 00:10:38,782 How close we can get to figuring out who we really are. 199 00:10:39,062 --> 00:10:40,922 I think that is the end goal. 200 00:10:41,532 --> 00:10:45,632 We figure out who we really are and then we navigate that the 201 00:10:45,632 --> 00:10:48,612 other side when we first, when we die and we first leave our bodies. 202 00:10:48,742 --> 00:10:56,012 And we're not in a state of confusion or a fit of uncertainty, 203 00:10:56,272 --> 00:10:57,942 as Tom Campbell puts it, 204 00:10:57,942 --> 00:11:04,502 I think that's well put because we, you know, it's a mental universe. 205 00:11:04,612 --> 00:11:10,042 And once we start down some road, some thought road. 206 00:11:10,662 --> 00:11:11,482 We're creators. 207 00:11:11,692 --> 00:11:13,712 We're creating confusion. 208 00:11:13,712 --> 00:11:19,002 We're creating things that trip us up. 209 00:11:19,342 --> 00:11:23,322 So yeah, it's a whole thing, I think, is to keep our wits about 210 00:11:23,322 --> 00:11:25,502 us when we transition back. 211 00:11:27,082 --> 00:11:31,252 So I was flying along and I was just absolutely stoked. 212 00:11:31,322 --> 00:11:40,292 It was, Like, all of my cells were being tickled and like, I was, everything, 213 00:11:40,312 --> 00:11:42,432 every atom was, like, giggling. 214 00:11:43,082 --> 00:11:47,872 It was like a cool breeze blowing through everything, 215 00:11:47,882 --> 00:11:53,292 and honey was being poured over my head, and everything was just, it 216 00:11:53,292 --> 00:12:00,892 was just lit up, it was euphoria, and I've uh, unashamed to say that from 217 00:12:00,892 --> 00:12:05,062 the, every time I've told the story, I've used the word, Cosmic orgasm. 218 00:12:05,842 --> 00:12:09,282 And that is exactly what it felt. 219 00:12:09,482 --> 00:12:14,442 Not a, not the way we understand it here, but just this incredible, 220 00:12:16,122 --> 00:12:20,692 joyful, overpowering euphoria. 221 00:12:21,602 --> 00:12:23,732 So I was flying along and I was loving all of it. 222 00:12:24,322 --> 00:12:26,232 And I said, this is awesome. 223 00:12:26,372 --> 00:12:26,942 I'm home. 224 00:12:27,182 --> 00:12:31,412 And you know, there, if I thought about something, it was immediate, 225 00:12:32,202 --> 00:12:35,812 like the old microfiche, you'd go to the library and you'd spin that microfiche 226 00:12:35,812 --> 00:12:36,832 and you'd see pages. 227 00:12:37,432 --> 00:12:40,322 Like if you were looking at a math book or something, you'd see formulas, you'd 228 00:12:40,322 --> 00:12:42,762 see calculations, you'd see geometry. 229 00:12:43,462 --> 00:12:46,182 And those things, we hear about 230 00:12:46,182 --> 00:12:46,372 the 231 00:12:46,402 --> 00:12:50,952 Akashic records and, it's like this universal mind and everything 232 00:12:50,972 --> 00:12:53,272 is available to us instantly. 233 00:12:53,902 --> 00:12:58,302 And I didn't really understand it at the time, but I just saw diagrams and 234 00:12:58,302 --> 00:13:04,592 formulas and lots of math just coming at me in like pages and going past. 235 00:13:06,412 --> 00:13:10,482 You can't bring any of that back, at least certainly not a fireman. 236 00:13:10,972 --> 00:13:15,442 But so, I was flying along thinking, this is awesome. 237 00:13:15,512 --> 00:13:17,042 I'm back to who I was. 238 00:13:17,152 --> 00:13:23,532 I'm out of that, whatever I signed up for that gig, that trick that 239 00:13:23,532 --> 00:13:30,432 I was involved in, and then I landed in a place that was solid. 240 00:13:31,082 --> 00:13:35,222 It still had this sort of other side feel to it. 241 00:13:35,732 --> 00:13:36,612 But it was. 242 00:13:37,127 --> 00:13:38,127 It was a facility. 243 00:13:38,177 --> 00:13:39,007 It was a room. 244 00:13:39,077 --> 00:13:41,717 It was indirect lighting there. 245 00:13:42,057 --> 00:13:44,547 There was equipment gurneys and tables. 246 00:13:44,697 --> 00:13:48,067 And right in front of me, there were these three short little hooded guys. 247 00:13:48,997 --> 00:13:50,777 And they were about four foot tall 248 00:13:50,857 --> 00:13:58,247 and they had on these dark robes with a hood and they were overjoyed to see me. 249 00:13:58,747 --> 00:14:03,182 And they were giggling and bouncing around, they were bumping into each other 250 00:14:03,182 --> 00:14:06,802 and I was just, in a state of, amazement. 251 00:14:07,492 --> 00:14:11,772 And so I was just looking at them, whatever that means. 252 00:14:12,292 --> 00:14:14,167 It's a lot of people say, well, you didn't have eyes. 253 00:14:14,167 --> 00:14:18,877 Well, no, I didn't have eyes, but I was looking at things and, 254 00:14:19,042 --> 00:14:20,002 Do they have faces? 255 00:14:21,647 --> 00:14:23,387 Yeah, they had faces, they were smiling, 256 00:14:23,747 --> 00:14:28,587 and the faces were just kind of these frumpy, kind of like a stovepipe that's 257 00:14:28,587 --> 00:14:36,607 been crunched down they had these layers, they had big smiles, and these 258 00:14:36,607 --> 00:14:39,497 guys were super joyful and playful, 259 00:14:39,757 --> 00:14:46,167 and, they were confident, they knew who they were, they knew who I was, and one 260 00:14:46,167 --> 00:14:51,862 of them came forward and looked me up and down, Because I was very confused. 261 00:14:52,052 --> 00:14:54,752 I was just like, what's going on now? 262 00:14:55,202 --> 00:14:57,892 I just got used to that other place and 263 00:14:59,452 --> 00:15:03,282 He came and looked me up and down and then he turned to the other ones 264 00:15:03,282 --> 00:15:05,342 and he said he doesn't remember us 265 00:15:05,852 --> 00:15:11,052 and They all started giggling uproariously and bouncing around and you know slapping 266 00:15:11,052 --> 00:15:14,822 each other on the back and I was really confused and I was like, well guys, 267 00:15:14,872 --> 00:15:19,072 I you know, no offense, but I kind of remember you But this is 268 00:15:19,192 --> 00:15:21,402 this is very strange place for me. 269 00:15:21,742 --> 00:15:23,592 I wasn't afraid at all. 270 00:15:24,072 --> 00:15:31,172 I was, I felt completely safe and loved and more so than, 271 00:15:31,222 --> 00:15:33,792 walking downtown in Los Angeles. 272 00:15:34,522 --> 00:15:34,882 They sound 273 00:15:34,942 --> 00:15:37,552 and they were very, pardon 274 00:15:37,742 --> 00:15:39,972 they sound like Ewoks, the Ewoks in Star Wars. 275 00:15:39,972 --> 00:15:43,262 The little jolly guys, furry guys that are about three feet tall bouncing around. 276 00:15:43,482 --> 00:15:44,632 That's what they sound like. 277 00:15:45,482 --> 00:15:46,042 Yeah. 278 00:15:46,182 --> 00:15:46,462 Yeah. 279 00:15:46,502 --> 00:15:48,092 They there's a lot of that. 280 00:15:48,102 --> 00:15:52,442 And I say that often that they're in our media, in our mainstream. 281 00:15:52,882 --> 00:15:58,772 Movies and song lyrics and TV shows and songs and books and stuff. 282 00:15:58,802 --> 00:16:05,082 There are a lot of references to, this divine side of us that 283 00:16:05,082 --> 00:16:06,542 we don't know anything about. 284 00:16:06,852 --> 00:16:12,492 We have heard these stories of religion and science and history and, the 285 00:16:13,742 --> 00:16:21,337 popular culture and the vast majority of us believe we have all the answers 286 00:16:21,467 --> 00:16:27,817 and those stories are coming to us on screens and you know those screens When 287 00:16:27,817 --> 00:16:33,137 we look at something with our eyes, it goes straight into our subconscious. 288 00:16:33,177 --> 00:16:37,167 That's sort of how the universe Communicates people say they see their 289 00:16:37,167 --> 00:16:39,107 life review and they see these screens. 290 00:16:39,407 --> 00:16:47,797 And so it's yeah, it's a very powerful story that we get And it's all, 291 00:16:47,807 --> 00:16:49,237 it's not a conspiracy or anything. 292 00:16:49,247 --> 00:16:50,147 It's all cool. 293 00:16:50,467 --> 00:16:51,957 We signed up for it. 294 00:16:51,967 --> 00:16:56,887 This is the most difficult time in the great year, the 24, 000 year cycle. 295 00:16:57,477 --> 00:17:01,697 This, we're coming out of it right now, and this is the hardest time. 296 00:17:02,252 --> 00:17:05,732 To be alive because it's everything's so confusing. 297 00:17:09,262 --> 00:17:13,042 The messages are there just like the Ewoks and the Munchkins. 298 00:17:13,712 --> 00:17:19,092 And in that movie Communion Christopher Walken is, he's in 299 00:17:19,102 --> 00:17:20,902 some sort of a facility and. 300 00:17:21,922 --> 00:17:25,482 He's bouncing around with these guys and they, those guys that are in that movie, 301 00:17:25,482 --> 00:17:27,892 they looked exactly like the guys I saw. 302 00:17:28,262 --> 00:17:28,782 Right. 303 00:17:28,882 --> 00:17:29,862 Exactly. 304 00:17:30,152 --> 00:17:36,212 And that's, that's supposed to be a horror movie and get fearful, 305 00:17:36,212 --> 00:17:39,549 but if you watch that movie and turn the sound off and watch those guys. 306 00:17:40,209 --> 00:17:40,909 They're cool. 307 00:17:41,369 --> 00:17:46,767 They're high fiving Christopher Walken and there's children in that facility 308 00:17:46,787 --> 00:17:51,657 and they're playing with them looking after them and these guys are dancing 309 00:17:51,657 --> 00:17:57,957 around and everything's very playful and joyful and that's exactly what I saw. 310 00:17:57,997 --> 00:17:59,517 It's exactly what I experienced. 311 00:18:00,637 --> 00:18:05,387 So yeah, the universe is nothing to be fearful of, but we come here 312 00:18:05,457 --> 00:18:12,017 into this this earth realm, this earth plane for the fear lessons. 313 00:18:12,677 --> 00:18:19,127 And we're supposed to get control of that, no matter how confounding it can be, 314 00:18:19,187 --> 00:18:20,687 but we're supposed to get control of it. 315 00:18:20,987 --> 00:18:21,447 And. 316 00:18:23,207 --> 00:18:26,887 Move on knowing what we really are and without fear. 317 00:18:28,857 --> 00:18:31,157 So there was another guy there. 318 00:18:31,337 --> 00:18:34,027 And so these guys were fun and I'm bouncing around with them. 319 00:18:34,117 --> 00:18:36,567 And then in the background, there was this tall guy. 320 00:18:36,617 --> 00:18:37,687 He was this tall, 321 00:18:37,727 --> 00:18:42,407 I call him the tall wispy guy because he was like, he was made out of vapor 322 00:18:42,407 --> 00:18:46,037 or smoke or like a spinning liquid. 323 00:18:46,687 --> 00:18:50,647 And, if you put you take a glass of water and spin it really fast 324 00:18:50,647 --> 00:18:52,337 and then you have that whirlpool 325 00:18:52,837 --> 00:18:55,707 and that's what he looked like, I've called him a Gumby. 326 00:18:55,757 --> 00:19:01,437 It looked like I was looking at somebody underwater and he was this spinning wispy 327 00:19:02,647 --> 00:19:06,567 dude, had a big smile on his face and. 328 00:19:07,002 --> 00:19:11,802 When he came forward, he separated, like, part of the whirlpool pulled off the top, 329 00:19:11,842 --> 00:19:16,572 and then the rest of it caught up, his legs caught up, or his arms caught up, 330 00:19:16,842 --> 00:19:22,632 and it came back together, and he was like this wispy moving guy, and obviously 331 00:19:22,632 --> 00:19:28,782 he was the man in that environment, and without being the man, there wasn't 332 00:19:28,782 --> 00:19:30,782 any power to him or anything like that. 333 00:19:31,612 --> 00:19:35,202 And, but he had this incredible power of love. 334 00:19:35,362 --> 00:19:41,992 And when he came towards me with this big smile, big eyes open and chuckling the 335 00:19:41,992 --> 00:19:48,012 whole way, as he came close, you could tell he was just stoked to see me drop 336 00:19:48,012 --> 00:19:55,552 in and as he got closer My chest just felt like it was being over pumped like 337 00:19:55,552 --> 00:19:58,732 a tire and my throat clamped down and 338 00:19:58,812 --> 00:20:03,932 I felt like I was going to fall to my knees and break down in 339 00:20:04,032 --> 00:20:06,872 uncontrollable crying from love. 340 00:20:07,732 --> 00:20:13,912 There was so much love coming from this being that it was paralyzing. 341 00:20:14,032 --> 00:20:15,532 It was overwhelming. 342 00:20:16,462 --> 00:20:25,902 And he came closer and we had some sort of exchanges and every time I said anything, 343 00:20:25,952 --> 00:20:32,572 anytime I thought of speaking and I spoke from our position of understanding 344 00:20:32,572 --> 00:20:38,892 communication, whenever I said anything, he just had this chuckle over and over 345 00:20:38,892 --> 00:20:41,342 and I could feel his chuckle inside of me. 346 00:20:42,092 --> 00:20:48,542 And at one point, I said, there wasn't much going on. 347 00:20:48,572 --> 00:20:50,802 The little guys were bouncing around and they were giggling 348 00:20:50,802 --> 00:20:52,742 and very playful and joyful. 349 00:20:52,742 --> 00:20:58,922 And me being a fireman, you got policies and guidelines and 350 00:20:58,922 --> 00:21:01,272 you get to work type of thing. 351 00:21:01,912 --> 00:21:06,672 And and he was just chuckling at them and he was chuckling at me cause I 352 00:21:06,672 --> 00:21:09,412 was starting to try to take over. 353 00:21:09,552 --> 00:21:15,142 And I think what was so funny was, I just arrived and I was just this, like this 354 00:21:15,162 --> 00:21:21,752 toddler, like some sort of copy of him where there's thousands of copies of him. 355 00:21:21,962 --> 00:21:26,882 And I was just considered a cosmic toddler. 356 00:21:27,252 --> 00:21:30,497 And, I was trying to, Make suggestions. 357 00:21:30,807 --> 00:21:31,717 And one of them was 358 00:21:32,997 --> 00:21:34,177 I'm not going back there. 359 00:21:34,957 --> 00:21:36,347 I'm not going back to Bill. 360 00:21:37,487 --> 00:21:40,067 That's absolutely non negotiable. 361 00:21:41,537 --> 00:21:42,397 And I go, so with 362 00:21:42,732 --> 00:21:43,172 final. 363 00:21:45,007 --> 00:21:45,747 That's what I was. 364 00:21:45,817 --> 00:21:48,077 Like a little two year old with his hands on his hips. 365 00:21:48,867 --> 00:21:51,937 And I said, so, are we going to what's next? 366 00:21:52,127 --> 00:21:53,797 Should we do a review of my life? 367 00:21:53,937 --> 00:21:55,137 Are we going to go through that? 368 00:21:55,847 --> 00:21:58,907 And, cause I was thinking I, I need to move on. 369 00:21:58,957 --> 00:22:04,267 I got a taste of that limitless world in the stars and the orbs. 370 00:22:04,967 --> 00:22:06,947 Absolutely limitless, absolutely infinite. 371 00:22:07,837 --> 00:22:11,007 And so I wanted to get out of that facility and, get to it. 372 00:22:11,627 --> 00:22:16,667 And so I said, you guys want to, you guys want to start with that? 373 00:22:16,667 --> 00:22:18,507 You want to start with a review of my life? 374 00:22:19,597 --> 00:22:21,007 And he just cracked up. 375 00:22:21,287 --> 00:22:26,457 He thought that was hysterical that the little toddler was going to run things. 376 00:22:27,357 --> 00:22:31,327 But he was cool and he said, yeah, sure, sure, little toddler. 377 00:22:31,677 --> 00:22:32,807 How do you want to start? 378 00:22:33,537 --> 00:22:37,777 And said, okay. 379 00:22:37,837 --> 00:22:42,917 So I started telling some stories about things that I wish I'd done differently. 380 00:22:42,987 --> 00:22:48,427 No big regrets, just there weren't any, it wasn't anything really. 381 00:22:48,722 --> 00:22:53,992 That big, I was just trying to fill it in and check this box so I could move on. 382 00:22:54,682 --> 00:22:58,842 And, I talked about my wife and how when we came out of college, 383 00:22:58,842 --> 00:23:04,192 I got offered this park service job out on an island and we were going 384 00:23:04,192 --> 00:23:08,142 to be, it was like a hour helicopter ride off the coast and we're going 385 00:23:08,142 --> 00:23:13,602 to be on this island and we're going to, manage the foxes and some groups 386 00:23:13,602 --> 00:23:15,332 would come out once every few weeks. 387 00:23:15,332 --> 00:23:16,302 We give them a tour. 388 00:23:16,832 --> 00:23:18,282 Some professors or something. 389 00:23:18,832 --> 00:23:23,192 And other than that, we were on our own to look after those little 390 00:23:23,202 --> 00:23:25,562 cottage out on this San Miguel Island. 391 00:23:26,552 --> 00:23:27,122 And. 392 00:23:28,027 --> 00:23:28,877 And she wanted that. 393 00:23:28,887 --> 00:23:34,267 She's never ever said anything, but she said, we really should take this job. 394 00:23:34,287 --> 00:23:38,347 It's when are we going to get a chance to live on an island by ourselves? 395 00:23:41,007 --> 00:23:43,347 I was like, yeah, it sounds kind of boring. 396 00:23:43,357 --> 00:23:47,927 You know, We were in our twenties and I wanted, I wanted more excitement. 397 00:23:47,927 --> 00:23:52,037 I'd been on a helishot cruise and, backcountry stuff and it's 398 00:23:52,037 --> 00:23:54,887 exciting camaraderie's there with all the guys and stuff. 399 00:23:54,907 --> 00:23:55,987 And I loved it. 400 00:23:56,057 --> 00:24:02,317 And so I took a fire job, she's never really lobbied for anything, 401 00:24:02,977 --> 00:24:04,457 but she did want to do that. 402 00:24:04,487 --> 00:24:09,567 And so I brought it up and I talked about it a little bit and I brought 403 00:24:09,567 --> 00:24:10,967 up a couple of other things. 404 00:24:11,987 --> 00:24:17,557 And then right in the middle of, some rap I was working on. 405 00:24:18,047 --> 00:24:19,517 He just goes, okay, that's enough. 406 00:24:20,327 --> 00:24:24,517 And he stepped forward like a father, playtime's over. 407 00:24:24,857 --> 00:24:27,977 And he said, time to go back. 408 00:24:28,617 --> 00:24:31,447 And that just, that shocked me. 409 00:24:31,507 --> 00:24:32,947 I was like, what? 410 00:24:33,657 --> 00:24:34,427 Go back? 411 00:24:35,057 --> 00:24:37,957 There's no way I'm not going back there. 412 00:24:38,517 --> 00:24:39,577 You gotta be kidding. 413 00:24:39,807 --> 00:24:42,057 And he goes, no, you gotta go back. 414 00:24:42,617 --> 00:24:44,607 You got things to do and they're important. 415 00:24:45,357 --> 00:24:49,617 I tried several times and at one point I said, no you guys don't understand. 416 00:24:50,127 --> 00:24:51,447 That place is gnarly. 417 00:24:52,557 --> 00:24:57,177 It's super hard, and I've had a absolutely charmed life. 418 00:24:57,347 --> 00:25:01,557 You can tell the ball has bounced my way every time. 419 00:25:02,467 --> 00:25:06,787 Career and education and parents and family. 420 00:25:06,807 --> 00:25:11,797 It's, and I'm absolutely grateful and appreciate all of it. 421 00:25:13,747 --> 00:25:18,447 But that was, from the other side, looking back at this place the burden 422 00:25:18,657 --> 00:25:25,807 that we carry with those emotions that don't exist, those low vibe emotions 423 00:25:26,617 --> 00:25:32,547 like jealousy and anger and, we're all capable of it we can all get there and 424 00:25:32,597 --> 00:25:39,207 it's a devastating feeling compared to what is really going on in the universe. 425 00:25:39,837 --> 00:25:47,917 That it is just this pure love sort of existence, fun, and 426 00:25:47,947 --> 00:25:48,837 you don't have to earn it. 427 00:25:49,757 --> 00:25:51,357 You already are it. 428 00:25:53,347 --> 00:25:54,697 So I tried a few more things. 429 00:25:54,727 --> 00:25:57,867 I told him, look, I'm almost 38, or I'm almost 40. 430 00:25:57,867 --> 00:25:58,947 I was 38 at the time. 431 00:25:59,597 --> 00:26:03,767 I'm almost 40 and I don't really have any more to contribute. 432 00:26:03,867 --> 00:26:07,407 I'm pretty much, just this burned over guy, and I'll be an old guy soon. 433 00:26:08,357 --> 00:26:11,547 And he laughed at everything I tried just. 434 00:26:12,362 --> 00:26:13,472 Thought it was hysterical. 435 00:26:13,642 --> 00:26:16,362 And I told him that, I got lots of friends, but they'll be fine. 436 00:26:16,492 --> 00:26:21,162 They'll think of me, but they won't be harmed by my demise. 437 00:26:21,712 --> 00:26:26,042 But my parents and my wife, they're going to hurt for a couple of 438 00:26:26,042 --> 00:26:28,392 weeks, but they'll come through it. 439 00:26:28,822 --> 00:26:29,982 They're strong people. 440 00:26:30,482 --> 00:26:32,882 And he thought that was real funny. 441 00:26:33,732 --> 00:26:35,262 And he said, all right, that's enough. 442 00:26:35,282 --> 00:26:36,932 Come on, you're going back. 443 00:26:37,322 --> 00:26:44,682 And he came towards me and It was obvious that we think we have this 444 00:26:45,212 --> 00:26:47,472 free will and things like that. 445 00:26:47,472 --> 00:26:55,322 And and we don't we are at the um, have complete power over us, what 446 00:26:55,322 --> 00:26:59,962 dimension we're in where we're going, and it's best to just... 447 00:27:00,557 --> 00:27:03,527 Get on their page and, do your thing here. 448 00:27:04,497 --> 00:27:09,047 So yeah, he, so he came forward and I felt everything just breaking up. 449 00:27:09,387 --> 00:27:16,307 I felt the room coming apart and I felt a sinking feeling like a lower vibration, a 450 00:27:16,307 --> 00:27:22,607 lower frequency, felt like I was dropping away and he just sort of dissolved in 451 00:27:22,607 --> 00:27:30,017 front of me, spun away into nothing and I dropped away into darkness and when I got 452 00:27:30,017 --> 00:27:33,007 down near my body, I was in this place. 453 00:27:33,857 --> 00:27:35,197 I knew I was close to my body 454 00:27:35,227 --> 00:27:44,147 and I was in this place that was dark and lonely and dismal, and you didn't want 455 00:27:44,147 --> 00:27:46,357 to, absolutely did not want to be there. 456 00:27:47,257 --> 00:27:53,807 And, a lot of people ask me, you think that was hell or, and. 457 00:27:54,822 --> 00:27:59,222 It could have been that, yeah, there is a realm directly next to us where, 458 00:28:00,152 --> 00:28:04,022 it's a realm of low vibrations where people who don't do too well in this life 459 00:28:04,072 --> 00:28:07,652 they're stuck, we call them ghosts and spirits and things like that. 460 00:28:07,652 --> 00:28:08,502 They're confused. 461 00:28:09,352 --> 00:28:15,922 And I think it could be that, that realm was devastating. 462 00:28:15,992 --> 00:28:20,392 And, but it was also, I think, cause I knew I was near my body. 463 00:28:20,492 --> 00:28:22,862 And I think when we reintegrate. 464 00:28:23,702 --> 00:28:31,722 With, the body who has that ability to hold those low vibrations that it's 465 00:28:31,722 --> 00:28:37,952 just like, it's like a dropping a ton of rocks on you with energetically. 466 00:28:38,602 --> 00:28:43,242 It's, and that's why, a lot of NDEers, if you, when they wake up, 467 00:28:43,652 --> 00:28:44,372 they're pissed, 468 00:28:44,917 --> 00:28:45,217 Yeah. 469 00:28:45,542 --> 00:28:49,932 some of them are yelling, how, what do you, what did you do, send 470 00:28:49,932 --> 00:28:51,962 me back, and also when a baby's 471 00:28:52,542 --> 00:28:55,042 They come into this world crying 472 00:28:55,427 --> 00:28:55,667 Yeah. 473 00:28:55,667 --> 00:28:56,747 They're pretty pissed too, aren't they? 474 00:28:57,617 --> 00:28:58,337 ? I never thought of that. 475 00:29:00,167 --> 00:29:00,817 Yeah, they're pissed. 476 00:29:00,897 --> 00:29:05,807 It's and these are eternal souls that with incredible intelligence and that 477 00:29:05,807 --> 00:29:07,227 soul is speaking through that baby. 478 00:29:07,227 --> 00:29:11,147 It's the first words is like, God dang it. 479 00:29:11,497 --> 00:29:12,407 I'm in this place. 480 00:29:12,457 --> 00:29:13,257 It's rough. 481 00:29:14,377 --> 00:29:18,557 So yeah, I was back in my body and it was the machines were taking 482 00:29:18,557 --> 00:29:19,427 my blood pressure and stuff. 483 00:29:19,427 --> 00:29:22,567 So they'd wake me up and I'd look at the numbers and I watched them, the 484 00:29:22,567 --> 00:29:26,572 vitals climb, the numbers were lit in the dark and I was watching it. 485 00:29:27,032 --> 00:29:27,742 Climb and climb. 486 00:29:27,742 --> 00:29:29,462 And pretty soon I could stay awake. 487 00:29:30,412 --> 00:29:33,792 And that's probably around four or something when I came back and 488 00:29:33,792 --> 00:29:36,092 it was probably five 30 or six. 489 00:29:36,542 --> 00:29:41,812 And I kind of was sitting up a little bit and saying, okay, I'm back here. 490 00:29:42,022 --> 00:29:47,822 And the nurse came by and it's like, she was just like shocked. 491 00:29:47,822 --> 00:29:49,082 She's like, you're awake. 492 00:29:49,992 --> 00:29:51,462 And I'm like, yes, I am. 493 00:29:51,462 --> 00:29:52,262 I need to talk to you. 494 00:29:53,052 --> 00:29:56,572 And she said, well, I need to go tell a doctor where you've been. 495 00:29:57,242 --> 00:29:58,582 Special project all night. 496 00:29:58,612 --> 00:30:00,382 We didn't know if you were coming back. 497 00:30:00,402 --> 00:30:03,472 We didn't know what, how you got this far gone. 498 00:30:03,512 --> 00:30:06,152 And I said, okay, that's great. 499 00:30:06,152 --> 00:30:08,432 You can go get the doctor and we can all talk about it. 500 00:30:08,532 --> 00:30:11,922 Well, first, what am I doing back here? 501 00:30:12,562 --> 00:30:13,472 Was that pissed. 502 00:30:13,882 --> 00:30:15,452 And I told her I was home. 503 00:30:16,132 --> 00:30:17,522 I was with my best friends. 504 00:30:17,572 --> 00:30:18,622 I've known forever. 505 00:30:19,862 --> 00:30:22,412 How is it that I got back here? 506 00:30:22,922 --> 00:30:23,842 I was dead. 507 00:30:24,052 --> 00:30:25,362 I had bought the farm. 508 00:30:25,962 --> 00:30:27,072 I was sure of it. 509 00:30:27,767 --> 00:30:31,417 And she had put her hands on my shoulders and she said, 510 00:30:31,417 --> 00:30:33,357 honey, you've been in escrow, 511 00:30:33,977 --> 00:30:38,787 but you've fallen out of escrow and now you're back with us and you're going 512 00:30:38,787 --> 00:30:40,107 to have to get your head around that. 513 00:30:41,047 --> 00:30:43,837 And I've talked to people channels and mediums. 514 00:30:43,847 --> 00:30:46,907 Mediums are really good for me to talk to because they're 515 00:30:46,907 --> 00:30:48,157 in that world all the time. 516 00:30:48,247 --> 00:30:49,707 They know exactly. 517 00:30:49,867 --> 00:30:52,317 And a lot of them call me and say, you're describing this. 518 00:30:53,232 --> 00:30:54,792 The other side passed the veil. 519 00:30:55,882 --> 00:30:58,462 Exactly what I've, moved in since I was a child. 520 00:30:58,512 --> 00:31:02,502 And so this medium I met her and had lunch with her. 521 00:31:02,522 --> 00:31:05,322 And she said, that was the most powerful thing that could have happened 522 00:31:05,322 --> 00:31:07,522 to you because she grounded you. 523 00:31:08,292 --> 00:31:13,012 That nurse told you, you're back in your body and there's nothing 524 00:31:13,012 --> 00:31:14,022 you're going to do about it. 525 00:31:14,592 --> 00:31:14,882 So. 526 00:31:15,332 --> 00:31:16,172 Get your head around it. 527 00:31:16,572 --> 00:31:22,182 And, some really powerful awesome people in the years, 528 00:31:22,572 --> 00:31:24,542 they'll go through years of depression. 529 00:31:25,212 --> 00:31:30,892 Some of them will, find addiction because coming into this world is a shocker. 530 00:31:31,132 --> 00:31:31,862 It's a tough one. 531 00:31:32,132 --> 00:31:36,572 And so, yeah if you do go through 532 00:31:36,922 --> 00:31:42,427 something like that and eventually you'll get with the yogis or a 533 00:31:42,427 --> 00:31:44,007 spiritual teacher or something. 534 00:31:44,427 --> 00:31:48,647 And they'll come up with the phrase, chop wood and carry water, which 535 00:31:48,647 --> 00:31:53,107 means get up every day and do the daily things to keep your life going. 536 00:31:53,827 --> 00:31:59,597 Get your head in, in your work, in your life and keep it going because you're 537 00:31:59,637 --> 00:32:05,397 on a journey, you're on a mission from the other side and, make them 538 00:32:05,397 --> 00:32:11,837 proud, make the higher vibrational choices and, this is a wonderful gift 539 00:32:11,857 --> 00:32:16,737 this life is, and it's going to be full of challenges, but face them. 540 00:32:17,107 --> 00:32:21,587 And, we came to, to learn from our challenges. 541 00:32:23,587 --> 00:32:27,907 So, the doctor showed up and the guys in the fire department showed up. 542 00:32:27,917 --> 00:32:30,897 My family showed up and I'm just like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 543 00:32:30,977 --> 00:32:34,677 You guys need to understand this, we don't know what we're doing here. 544 00:32:34,717 --> 00:32:40,247 It's, it is a wonderful almost a cartoon world on the other 545 00:32:40,247 --> 00:32:42,007 side and it's all joyful 546 00:32:42,107 --> 00:32:44,307 and I got the kook label pretty fast 547 00:32:44,792 --> 00:32:47,042 they were like, how much fentanyl did they give to Bill? 548 00:32:47,312 --> 00:32:49,482 Can you, did you check the dose ? Yeah. 549 00:32:51,487 --> 00:32:57,557 yeah and I I learned to dummy up and fit in and it worked out okay, 550 00:32:58,217 --> 00:33:05,617 but I always knew that it was real and if I was in a bookstore, I'd tiptoe into the 551 00:33:05,627 --> 00:33:10,982 woo woo section and look for something that might give me some answers and the 552 00:33:10,982 --> 00:33:16,242 Eckart Tolle books were good and and there's this woman who wrote My Stroke 553 00:33:16,242 --> 00:33:23,362 of Insight Jill Bolte Taylor and she was a brain specialist for Harvard and she 554 00:33:23,362 --> 00:33:30,572 had a stroke and she said when she had her stroke that she was in both worlds. 555 00:33:31,322 --> 00:33:32,992 And floating between both worlds. 556 00:33:33,622 --> 00:33:38,402 And, when I said that I was let out of a hot, dark closet and I was this huge 557 00:33:38,402 --> 00:33:46,002 expanded cloud balloon flying through space, and she said, I felt like I 558 00:33:46,002 --> 00:33:48,722 was a genie released from her bottle. 559 00:33:49,252 --> 00:33:54,342 And I was this euphoric whale flying through a sea of ecstasy. 560 00:33:54,942 --> 00:33:55,382 And. 561 00:33:55,812 --> 00:33:58,672 I'm like, okay, this is real. 562 00:33:59,212 --> 00:34:02,242 So, so yeah, that's my story. 563 00:34:02,262 --> 00:34:09,802 And I dummied up till 2010 and then I retired and around 2012, that was, 564 00:34:10,092 --> 00:34:14,452 that was a powerful energetic year for the whole planet, this whole supposed 565 00:34:14,452 --> 00:34:19,592 to be the end of the world, but it was actually the beginning of a new type of 566 00:34:19,892 --> 00:34:23,672 human that's going to be more energetic. 567 00:34:24,397 --> 00:34:25,967 And that's what we see right now. 568 00:34:26,007 --> 00:34:28,667 The energy of the planet is going up, 569 00:34:29,597 --> 00:34:32,537 it's why the fires burn hotter if you gaze at the sun, 570 00:34:33,237 --> 00:34:36,517 don't do that because it's dangerous, but if you did it, first thing in the 571 00:34:36,517 --> 00:34:41,857 morning, when it first comes there are color codes and it's pulsing wildly, 572 00:34:42,747 --> 00:34:48,007 and, the the thing with global warming, it's a the frequency of the planet is 573 00:34:48,007 --> 00:34:53,337 going up, just like you're turning the heat up on a pot of water, it's, things 574 00:34:53,337 --> 00:34:58,597 are more active and things are more active spiritually and a lot to people. 575 00:34:59,807 --> 00:35:02,937 Well, the last year and a half has been incredible with the podcast 576 00:35:03,107 --> 00:35:05,347 interest and it's fun to watch. 577 00:35:05,367 --> 00:35:09,527 It's for real that, there's a divine hand in our material 578 00:35:09,527 --> 00:35:12,497 world and we're going places. 579 00:35:12,497 --> 00:35:13,537 And it's super exciting. 580 00:35:13,792 --> 00:35:19,422 You just reminded me that it was like March, I think, and I saw, I, I can't 581 00:35:19,422 --> 00:35:21,312 even remember the exact event I saw. 582 00:35:21,702 --> 00:35:23,862 It wasn't the first time I'd seen an N D E testimonial. 583 00:35:25,117 --> 00:35:26,957 But the immediate thought was, oh, I've got to do that. 584 00:35:27,027 --> 00:35:27,637 I was like, what? 585 00:35:27,787 --> 00:35:29,077 I wasn't even doing anything like that. 586 00:35:29,877 --> 00:35:33,057 I mean, I, but I had an interest in it, like, since I was a child, right? 587 00:35:33,517 --> 00:35:34,377 I thought, yeah, I've got to do that. 588 00:35:34,377 --> 00:35:36,177 My wife thinks, she still thinks I'm crazy. 589 00:35:36,717 --> 00:35:37,667 But yeah, here we are. 590 00:35:37,917 --> 00:35:38,247 Here we are. 591 00:35:39,527 --> 00:35:43,757 I've got dozens of these interviews and every time I make eye contact with you 592 00:35:43,757 --> 00:35:47,477 guys, usually before we start and I say, what do you, how'd you get into this? 593 00:35:48,167 --> 00:35:52,617 And every one of them have a story like that, where I just suddenly 594 00:35:53,837 --> 00:35:55,717 felt this was what I need to do. 595 00:35:56,237 --> 00:35:59,647 And, I tried, there's a lot of people in Hollywood making movies 596 00:35:59,647 --> 00:36:01,217 and stuff documentaries and. 597 00:36:03,942 --> 00:36:06,932 One time I was doing this thing and I got these guys and I said, 598 00:36:06,932 --> 00:36:08,352 all right, come on, level with me. 599 00:36:08,812 --> 00:36:13,342 Is there some guy in the area that's organizing all you guys? 600 00:36:13,362 --> 00:36:18,062 Some producer, somebody, and they're like, no, all of them. 601 00:36:18,932 --> 00:36:22,352 So it's not some conspiracy theory or something. 602 00:36:22,392 --> 00:36:26,642 It's, if it's a conspiracy from the divine to enlighten. 603 00:36:28,607 --> 00:36:33,737 yeah, 100%, and if there was, like, if there was even a hint of somebody, like, 604 00:36:33,947 --> 00:36:37,157 trying to tell me, you've got to do this particular thing, I'd be like, Piss off. 605 00:36:37,207 --> 00:36:37,837 I'm not doing that. 606 00:36:37,837 --> 00:36:38,617 I'm going to do my own thing. 607 00:36:38,617 --> 00:36:39,467 Thanks very much. 608 00:36:39,467 --> 00:36:42,897 So, yeah, I'm like the complete opposite of what they might be looking for. 609 00:36:43,707 --> 00:36:46,217 So there was something that you, there's this, I've got so many questions, Bill. 610 00:36:48,222 --> 00:36:50,502 The first thing, well it's not really a question, it's just an observation 611 00:36:50,502 --> 00:36:55,722 about the nurse, like the service that she did you, by not trying to deny 612 00:36:55,722 --> 00:37:01,172 your experience, and to downplay it, it was almost like, yeah, I know where 613 00:37:01,172 --> 00:37:05,132 you've been, you're coming back now, and this is how it is, so, that's pretty 614 00:37:05,132 --> 00:37:09,512 amazing, and as you say, that kind of makes me wonder, like I have friends 615 00:37:09,512 --> 00:37:13,047 who are emergency ER nurses and whatnot, and I think there's a lot of things 616 00:37:13,047 --> 00:37:17,967 changing in hospitals, but it does make me wonder like how valuable training 617 00:37:17,967 --> 00:37:21,327 for those people and understanding that this is a real phenomena and 618 00:37:21,337 --> 00:37:23,147 this is a great way to handle it. 619 00:37:23,177 --> 00:37:24,927 Your example was perfect, I think. 620 00:37:26,887 --> 00:37:32,107 Yeah, I was super lucky and she was a, she was an old timer, this gum chewing, 621 00:37:32,657 --> 00:37:39,007 no nonsense nurse and and yeah, she put her hands on my shoulders and it's listen 622 00:37:39,007 --> 00:37:42,317 to me, you're back with us get over it. 623 00:37:43,567 --> 00:37:46,867 And, you tell a fireman that it's like, okay, got it, man. 624 00:37:48,477 --> 00:37:50,197 She knew exactly what to say and how to say it. 625 00:37:51,117 --> 00:37:53,487 There's something you mentioned about the 24, 000 year cycle. 626 00:37:53,487 --> 00:37:56,697 Now, I'm pretty sure I've read about this in the book of Ra. 627 00:37:56,747 --> 00:37:59,747 I'm not sure where you've got it and I don't understand much about it, but could 628 00:37:59,747 --> 00:38:01,017 you tell us more your understanding? 629 00:38:01,037 --> 00:38:03,787 It sounds like you've done loads of reading since you've had your NDE, but 630 00:38:03,857 --> 00:38:05,357 what's your understanding of that cycle? 631 00:38:07,507 --> 00:38:10,477 I did this thing with the ayahuasca and I was going to the jungle 632 00:38:10,477 --> 00:38:11,537 for like three or four years. 633 00:38:11,587 --> 00:38:12,167 And then this. 634 00:38:13,407 --> 00:38:18,197 thing opened and I had all these amazing visions. 635 00:38:18,317 --> 00:38:24,487 And when I got back here, just like you, I had this thing where 636 00:38:24,697 --> 00:38:29,837 I need to go to this conference on procession and ancient knowledge, 637 00:38:31,367 --> 00:38:35,457 I just packed up and, drove down to Newport and went to this conference. 638 00:38:35,457 --> 00:38:37,177 I didn't know if I'd fit in or what. 639 00:38:37,927 --> 00:38:38,377 And. 640 00:38:39,787 --> 00:38:42,427 Their whole thing is procession of the equinox. 641 00:38:42,577 --> 00:38:48,657 It's a 24, 000 year cycle and each of the astrological signs 642 00:38:48,657 --> 00:38:50,837 have a 2, 000 year period. 643 00:38:51,437 --> 00:38:55,787 And we just went into the age of Aquarius I think, recently. 644 00:38:56,287 --> 00:39:05,117 And, this is the the, when things are, light is pouring back 645 00:39:05,137 --> 00:39:07,767 into the into the earth plane. 646 00:39:08,472 --> 00:39:15,722 And at 2012, so it's a continuous cycle and all these different people, the Mayans 647 00:39:15,732 --> 00:39:20,712 and the Hindus, they call them things like Bakhtans, or they call them Yugas. 648 00:39:21,672 --> 00:39:25,722 But for us, it's a, there's a golden age and that's at the top 649 00:39:25,922 --> 00:39:28,972 and for us that would be like Egypt. 650 00:39:29,032 --> 00:39:35,752 That's the last of the golden age, Egypt and the Mesoamerica cultures. 651 00:39:36,537 --> 00:39:38,227 They were so far ahead. 652 00:39:38,227 --> 00:39:42,837 They had all these, this knowledge of energy and free energy and 653 00:39:42,837 --> 00:39:45,247 anti gravity and invisibility. 654 00:39:45,307 --> 00:39:46,357 They knew it all. 655 00:39:47,057 --> 00:39:51,627 But you go from a golden age and then it comes down through the dark ages 656 00:39:51,647 --> 00:39:56,817 and all these times of war and stuff, and then it goes silver, bronze, 657 00:39:56,927 --> 00:39:58,407 and then it comes to an iron age. 658 00:39:58,827 --> 00:39:59,347 And. 659 00:40:00,032 --> 00:40:07,672 We just, 2012 was the bottom and we turned the corner and it could, I could watch 660 00:40:07,672 --> 00:40:13,662 the world just become all of a sudden in 2013, 2014, there was all these kids that 661 00:40:13,662 --> 00:40:16,322 were showing up at this place, Pachamama. 662 00:40:16,692 --> 00:40:18,972 They couldn't house them all, hundreds of them. 663 00:40:19,522 --> 00:40:21,822 And they said, I just knew I had to come here. 664 00:40:23,222 --> 00:40:27,632 And it was right on schedule, right after December, 2012. 665 00:40:28,342 --> 00:40:36,022 And light is coming back in to the world and we will slowly climb up to a bronze 666 00:40:36,032 --> 00:40:39,292 and a silver age and the next golden age. 667 00:40:40,022 --> 00:40:43,027 And this cycle has gone on forever. 668 00:40:43,767 --> 00:40:46,777 We have all these stories and all this confidence that we know what 669 00:40:46,777 --> 00:40:48,787 the history is of this place. 670 00:40:48,977 --> 00:40:51,307 And I don't think we do. 671 00:40:52,907 --> 00:40:58,167 I think civilizations have risen and fallen for eternity. 672 00:40:58,637 --> 00:41:00,657 And this place is kind of a stage. 673 00:41:01,362 --> 00:41:09,382 Where what's really going on is as young souls, we're learning how to become high 674 00:41:09,382 --> 00:41:12,902 quality souls so that we can move on 675 00:41:13,052 --> 00:41:16,682 and move out into the universe and do the work of the universe. 676 00:41:17,352 --> 00:41:20,492 So this is kind of a, we've all heard this, it's a school. 677 00:41:21,287 --> 00:41:26,807 Where we have the School of Hard Knocks, where we go through experiences and at 678 00:41:26,827 --> 00:41:34,797 some point we stop reacting to them with anger and, resentment and shame and guilt, 679 00:41:34,817 --> 00:41:39,957 all those things, we just say, I'm not doing that anymore and that, that's when 680 00:41:40,007 --> 00:41:45,277 we start getting ready to graduate and we don't have to come back here, this 681 00:41:45,347 --> 00:41:51,027 cycle of rebirth is broken and how's that? 682 00:41:51,037 --> 00:41:52,127 Is that helpful? 683 00:41:52,617 --> 00:41:53,327 Yeah, that's good. 684 00:41:53,457 --> 00:41:57,137 It's something that I also want to do some more research in, but I 685 00:41:57,137 --> 00:41:58,917 think it was very interesting to me. 686 00:42:00,387 --> 00:42:04,447 Did, my next question is, did you bring any let me try that again. 687 00:42:04,897 --> 00:42:09,207 A lot of NDE's bring back, it's like something got cracked open in them. 688 00:42:09,247 --> 00:42:11,877 And they have these new awarenesses, new abilities, new powers. 689 00:42:11,877 --> 00:42:13,087 Did you have anything like that? 690 00:42:15,217 --> 00:42:16,127 Yeah I did. 691 00:42:16,137 --> 00:42:22,707 I If somebody had low vibration intentions like a business deal or, 692 00:42:23,357 --> 00:42:31,197 somebody was doing something not in the highest vibrational, vibe 693 00:42:31,787 --> 00:42:33,097 Serving themself and not you. 694 00:42:34,177 --> 00:42:34,517 That's, 695 00:42:34,542 --> 00:42:34,962 Absolutely. 696 00:42:35,212 --> 00:42:36,022 Thank you very much. 697 00:42:36,072 --> 00:42:36,352 Yes. 698 00:42:36,542 --> 00:42:41,052 Yeah, if it was a self serving, if it was a selfish vibe, 699 00:42:41,092 --> 00:42:43,072 it was really obvious to me. 700 00:42:43,122 --> 00:42:45,102 And it wasn't somebody who was judging it. 701 00:42:45,122 --> 00:42:50,222 It just, it's like, this is going to go poorly, it'll play out over the next 702 00:42:50,222 --> 00:42:55,832 few years, but this person's not up to a high vibrational thing and that's 703 00:42:55,832 --> 00:42:57,762 what this place is for, we come here. 704 00:42:58,307 --> 00:43:03,757 To behave like that, and most of us are going to, and until we 705 00:43:03,757 --> 00:43:05,587 don't, and then we start leaving. 706 00:43:06,597 --> 00:43:11,817 The other thing, I just came up kind of accidentally in an interview, but 707 00:43:12,397 --> 00:43:18,577 a few years after that, after my NDE, I was running and biking and swimming 708 00:43:18,577 --> 00:43:22,827 a lot, but I was all of a sudden I was counting in groups of four, like a 709 00:43:22,847 --> 00:43:28,457 musician, one and two and three and four and two and it's going on for hours. 710 00:43:28,507 --> 00:43:34,267 And I really didn't understand it, but I bought some drums a few years later. 711 00:43:34,497 --> 00:43:36,427 And my wife was really like, 712 00:43:36,447 --> 00:43:37,817 what are you doing now? 713 00:43:38,537 --> 00:43:39,917 And I said, I don't know. 714 00:43:39,917 --> 00:43:41,157 I think this is pretty easy. 715 00:43:41,227 --> 00:43:43,807 And I could, in a couple of months, I could play pretty much any song. 716 00:43:44,522 --> 00:43:49,112 And she's like, I can't, this is, you haven't even had a lesson. 717 00:43:49,122 --> 00:43:50,472 You haven't even watched a video. 718 00:43:50,482 --> 00:43:51,652 I said, I don't know. 719 00:43:51,652 --> 00:43:54,062 It just, it all seems to fit. 720 00:43:54,112 --> 00:43:58,742 And what really fit was, the structure of music and this whole 721 00:43:58,742 --> 00:44:05,722 thing with math mathematics in our world, you know, is fundamentally 722 00:44:05,722 --> 00:44:10,552 mathematics and it feels good to us when these things are all balanced, 723 00:44:10,662 --> 00:44:12,982 in key and timing. 724 00:44:14,032 --> 00:44:20,402 And so I got into a couple of different bands and this one group 725 00:44:20,672 --> 00:44:22,822 approached me and said, we want you. 726 00:44:22,822 --> 00:44:24,822 And I was like, you don't understand. 727 00:44:24,822 --> 00:44:28,502 I've been playing drums for just a few years and I'm just this, guy in his 728 00:44:28,502 --> 00:44:31,212 forties and I don't know what I'm doing. 729 00:44:31,762 --> 00:44:34,162 And I remember this one guy used to play with the beach boys. 730 00:44:34,657 --> 00:44:40,007 And he toured with them and he said, look, whatever it is that 731 00:44:40,127 --> 00:44:42,057 a drummer needs, you have it. 732 00:44:42,407 --> 00:44:48,777 And we don't know why, but you know how to structure music, where the bridges 733 00:44:48,777 --> 00:44:54,357 are, where the tempo changes, you just, we don't get it either, but you have it. 734 00:44:54,427 --> 00:45:00,857 And we went really far, I played the state fair and, in the green room and my wife's 735 00:45:00,857 --> 00:45:03,637 looking at me going, how did you do this? 736 00:45:03,727 --> 00:45:07,467 I mean, I can trace it back to that, because I didn't have it prior to the 737 00:45:08,177 --> 00:45:13,687 NDE, and I remember seeing all those formulas and stuff just powering in, 738 00:45:14,247 --> 00:45:21,177 and, then it was gradual, but, and it was genuine, I wasn't, I was just letting 739 00:45:21,177 --> 00:45:26,682 it happen, and all of a sudden, all of this counting, and all of this You know, 740 00:45:26,692 --> 00:45:32,472 groups of four, you know four beats to a measure, four measures to a bar, it's like 741 00:45:32,472 --> 00:45:38,882 a mathematical formula for me, that's how I could see it and yeah, it's been great. 742 00:45:38,882 --> 00:45:42,422 We had a reunion here last year and we all played and 743 00:45:44,232 --> 00:45:44,622 Awesome. 744 00:45:44,722 --> 00:45:45,212 I don't know, 745 00:45:45,677 --> 00:45:47,027 How long was the band together for? 746 00:45:47,057 --> 00:45:49,207 Or how long did you play in a band? 747 00:45:50,922 --> 00:45:56,002 I played in bands about 12 years and this. 748 00:45:56,487 --> 00:45:58,917 I have this thing, this Kundalini thing. 749 00:45:59,287 --> 00:46:05,297 And when that starts rising you get, it's a really different, big conversation. 750 00:46:05,917 --> 00:46:11,387 But to be around alcohol, like we play wineries and breweries 751 00:46:11,417 --> 00:46:16,787 and, just drunken people, yelling out songs and stuff like that. 752 00:46:16,927 --> 00:46:23,337 The whole thing with alcohol is something that diminishes our vibration. 753 00:46:23,557 --> 00:46:26,547 It's a central nervous system depressant. 754 00:46:27,267 --> 00:46:32,717 And our whole experience here in this earth realm is it's 755 00:46:32,717 --> 00:46:33,857 the central nervous system. 756 00:46:34,017 --> 00:46:37,337 It's the, our eyes and our ears and what we're feeling. 757 00:46:37,367 --> 00:46:39,137 That's what we're processing. 758 00:46:39,177 --> 00:46:43,597 And when, if you're drinking a lot, a heavy drinker or whatever your 759 00:46:43,597 --> 00:46:44,947 system's depressed all the time. 760 00:46:44,947 --> 00:46:50,397 And so the input is, it's always a low story, low vibration story. 761 00:46:50,807 --> 00:46:53,067 And I could really feel that. 762 00:46:53,237 --> 00:46:59,017 I could really feel when I was around addicts and people who were, alcohol 763 00:46:59,017 --> 00:47:05,237 was a big part of their day and, I'd rather be around my dogs and, the deer 764 00:47:05,237 --> 00:47:08,607 that live here and that kind of thing 765 00:47:09,657 --> 00:47:10,957 Yeah, that, that makes sense. 766 00:47:11,967 --> 00:47:13,757 Did you did you get to live on the island? 767 00:47:17,857 --> 00:47:23,397 did not, yeah, I, I took a fire job and then we moved I think it was 768 00:47:23,397 --> 00:47:25,847 Sequoia and it was on an engine. 769 00:47:27,477 --> 00:47:31,657 It was a great summer, but nope, she didn't get her, she didn't get the island. 770 00:47:31,727 --> 00:47:35,577 And I really do wish I could go back and change that. 771 00:47:35,997 --> 00:47:39,627 Cause that would have been, this is a guy that's almost 70. 772 00:47:40,947 --> 00:47:48,777 Then I was 24, you want to sit on an island, stare out to sea. 773 00:47:48,807 --> 00:47:53,497 That wasn't my idea of an exciting time, but now it is. 774 00:47:54,817 --> 00:47:57,447 Well you look like you've still got at least another 20, 30 years Bill, I 775 00:47:57,447 --> 00:48:01,367 reckon there's a good chance that your wife still won't get her wish yet. 776 00:48:04,207 --> 00:48:10,077 So the wispy guy, the Gandalf kind of guy, the whirlpool that you met. 777 00:48:10,177 --> 00:48:14,257 My first impression when you were telling me that story was... 778 00:48:15,042 --> 00:48:16,022 That's you, Bill. 779 00:48:16,032 --> 00:48:19,622 Like, that's your higher self there, telling you, you gotta get back. 780 00:48:20,062 --> 00:48:22,142 So it wasn't anybody else, but you telling you what to do. 781 00:48:22,142 --> 00:48:23,412 What do you think about that idea? 782 00:48:24,602 --> 00:48:24,932 Thank you. 783 00:48:25,142 --> 00:48:26,322 I think you're spot on, bro. 784 00:48:27,642 --> 00:48:32,022 Because he just loved me and he was I just entertained the hell out of him. 785 00:48:32,452 --> 00:48:38,082 Like, like a kid, like having a kid, like having a toddler and. 786 00:48:39,077 --> 00:48:44,687 I think we have thousands of lives here on the earth plane, and there's this 787 00:48:44,717 --> 00:48:48,787 talk about time that it doesn't really exist, so they're all occurring at the 788 00:48:48,787 --> 00:48:54,147 same time, this gets into things we really can't process but yeah, I'm one of 789 00:48:54,557 --> 00:49:00,297 thousands, like a, an army of experiencers for this higher version of me, 790 00:49:00,902 --> 00:49:02,812 An evolving super being. 791 00:49:03,342 --> 00:49:07,782 And we, it's not just me, we're all the same and we have all 792 00:49:07,782 --> 00:49:11,442 of us, we have thousands of souls watching us all the time. 793 00:49:12,302 --> 00:49:16,792 That's just not an old guy making something up because as I move on, 794 00:49:16,862 --> 00:49:22,152 I, if I look in the blue sky, it looks like I'm looking at it under a 795 00:49:22,152 --> 00:49:25,552 microscope at like a drop of ocean water. 796 00:49:25,842 --> 00:49:33,367 It's just full of life forms darting here and there orbs and that's we, we 797 00:49:33,367 --> 00:49:39,097 live in a highly energetic environment and we don't know it our senses are 798 00:49:39,097 --> 00:49:43,637 choked down to where we've got this really narrow range of what we can 799 00:49:43,637 --> 00:49:46,477 hear and see and and experience, 800 00:49:46,957 --> 00:49:48,847 It is an amazing, unlimited 801 00:49:50,167 --> 00:49:53,017 yeah, the default setting is for a very narrow band, isn't it? 802 00:49:53,017 --> 00:49:56,077 And then yours has been expanded a little bit, so it sounds like you've 803 00:49:56,077 --> 00:50:01,827 got still a bit of one foot in, in a higher realm, and then you've got 804 00:50:01,827 --> 00:50:05,927 the rest of you is here, but not the same as what it was before you left. 805 00:50:08,422 --> 00:50:14,742 Oh, no, it's when the Kundalini energy moves most, I mean, a lot of 806 00:50:14,752 --> 00:50:19,807 people have this moving on them, but We're so disconnected from what we 807 00:50:19,807 --> 00:50:25,427 really are that we don't know how to encourage it or to work with it. 808 00:50:25,787 --> 00:50:29,637 And there's a whole story there, but I lucked out. 809 00:50:29,687 --> 00:50:35,137 I was at this place called Pachamama and I was going through this silent retreat and 810 00:50:35,137 --> 00:50:40,947 we had to write something every day to the spiritual guy that Chief of the village. 811 00:50:42,277 --> 00:50:45,907 I guess the things I was writing, he came to me and he didn't talk to anybody. 812 00:50:46,007 --> 00:50:51,787 We didn't speak, but we'd meet every day in this giant meditation hall. 813 00:50:51,877 --> 00:50:53,537 And then he would have things to say. 814 00:50:55,267 --> 00:51:01,497 And he singled me out and he said, you need to familiarize yourself with 815 00:51:02,157 --> 00:51:08,267 Kundalini and with pranic energy, because the things you're writing to me, this is 816 00:51:08,327 --> 00:51:13,947 obviously a Kundalini rising and it's, it's very powerful and it's on its way. 817 00:51:14,787 --> 00:51:19,437 And I listened to him, when I got back to the States, I found this 818 00:51:19,467 --> 00:51:25,547 Kundalini yoga instructor and it took eight months, a year of 819 00:51:25,547 --> 00:51:28,687 going once a week and they go through the exercises and stuff. 820 00:51:30,327 --> 00:51:31,487 I figured out what it was. 821 00:51:31,667 --> 00:51:32,767 I didn't have any idea. 822 00:51:32,817 --> 00:51:37,907 I just thought, well, this is a cool sounding name, and I realized by just 823 00:51:37,917 --> 00:51:43,247 paying attention and figuring out what she was trying to, demonstrate for me 824 00:51:43,247 --> 00:51:45,287 or show me that this is a real thing. 825 00:51:45,767 --> 00:51:52,617 And you mentioned that I'm this kind of joyful, happy guy. 826 00:51:52,907 --> 00:51:58,337 And that's part of it, that, that energy, we all have this drop of 827 00:51:59,037 --> 00:52:03,277 God energy, this drop of light in our, the bottom of our spine. 828 00:52:03,757 --> 00:52:09,937 And when it wakes up, it takes years and it moves up the spine and it pushes 829 00:52:09,957 --> 00:52:13,647 all the energy, the dark energy that we. 830 00:52:14,077 --> 00:52:16,667 accumulate emotional drama. 831 00:52:17,567 --> 00:52:18,957 That's what the universe is. 832 00:52:18,957 --> 00:52:24,477 It's all emotions, feelings, and it clears out all of those things. 833 00:52:24,497 --> 00:52:29,147 And then there'll be a time when it reunites with divine and you have 834 00:52:29,147 --> 00:52:30,657 this light just come through you. 835 00:52:30,707 --> 00:52:33,137 And it's really powerful. 836 00:52:33,137 --> 00:52:39,417 You absolutely realize something ridiculous is happening and and 837 00:52:39,417 --> 00:52:43,367 once that connection starts up, then it slowly is opening up. 838 00:52:43,527 --> 00:52:44,657 We talked about it earlier. 839 00:52:44,827 --> 00:52:49,107 It's this energy is slowly moving through you and opening up your 840 00:52:49,107 --> 00:52:56,937 central nervous system so that you can receive more and develop more, I guess. 841 00:52:58,692 --> 00:53:00,952 But yeah I'm I'm getting pretty happy. 842 00:53:00,962 --> 00:53:08,032 It's really obvious that it's, at some point I'm going to be a little 843 00:53:08,032 --> 00:53:12,852 too happy, and then they this, we have facilities in this country full 844 00:53:12,902 --> 00:53:18,652 of people who are misdiagnosed and they really are having a spiritual 845 00:53:18,652 --> 00:53:21,042 awakening, a Kundalini awakening. 846 00:53:22,082 --> 00:53:26,382 So in this country we had this the thing called the Good Humor and it 847 00:53:26,382 --> 00:53:33,232 was ice cream company and so the joke was that the Good Humor truck is going 848 00:53:33,232 --> 00:53:40,262 to come and take that fellow to the funny farm and all these references to. 849 00:53:41,012 --> 00:53:47,002 This joyful presentation and that's what's going on. 850 00:53:47,002 --> 00:53:51,662 And, that goes back to when we first started talking and I said that everyone 851 00:53:51,662 --> 00:53:58,602 I ran into on the other side was giggling or chuckling or, and I felt like I was, 852 00:53:59,032 --> 00:54:04,562 all my cells were being tickled and yeah. 853 00:54:05,607 --> 00:54:06,847 We don't have anything to worry about. 854 00:54:06,937 --> 00:54:09,077 The universe is an awesome place. 855 00:54:10,197 --> 00:54:11,727 It's got a sense of humor as well. 856 00:54:12,747 --> 00:54:15,207 So I'd love to hear more about the Kundalini thing, but I know 857 00:54:15,207 --> 00:54:16,207 we're getting on with time. 858 00:54:16,207 --> 00:54:19,327 So perhaps if you do come back for one of our live streams and you might want to 859 00:54:19,687 --> 00:54:22,977 talk about that cause I would certainly like to learn more about that myself. 860 00:54:23,747 --> 00:54:24,377 All right, Bill. 861 00:54:24,407 --> 00:54:25,757 So, tell us what you got going on. 862 00:54:25,757 --> 00:54:29,717 If somebody wants to get in touch with you, do you have any books or programs or 863 00:54:29,717 --> 00:54:30,897 anything like that you want to talk about? 864 00:54:33,137 --> 00:54:37,657 Well, no, I don't have the book, but I'm promising people that I will finish it. 865 00:54:38,007 --> 00:54:42,937 I've got this overly joyful lifestyle and I gotta get, I 866 00:54:42,937 --> 00:54:44,507 got to sit down and finish it. 867 00:54:44,807 --> 00:54:47,997 And there's another video that I guess that one video that Alan 868 00:54:47,997 --> 00:54:52,437 Chapman made was I mean, he just did a phenomenal job editing that. 869 00:54:53,257 --> 00:54:53,587 And. 870 00:54:53,942 --> 00:54:59,482 His production, I'm, as you can tell, I'm not that good of a speaker, but he, 871 00:55:00,152 --> 00:55:05,902 his editing just made it wonderful for people to hear these, this crazy tale. 872 00:55:05,957 --> 00:55:08,057 Yeah, I liked his, I liked the way he does things. 873 00:55:08,057 --> 00:55:08,577 It's really good. 874 00:55:08,577 --> 00:55:10,457 And you can tell he's been doing it for a long time. 875 00:55:10,467 --> 00:55:11,677 There's a lot of mastery there. 876 00:55:12,347 --> 00:55:12,817 All right, cool. 877 00:55:12,837 --> 00:55:14,997 So have you got anything final that you want to leave people 878 00:55:14,997 --> 00:55:16,107 with before we wrap it up? 879 00:55:18,622 --> 00:55:18,832 Yeah. 880 00:55:18,832 --> 00:55:22,372 You and I talked about the, actually you brought it up and I love that because 881 00:55:22,492 --> 00:55:23,992 I bring it up and I feel like I'm. 882 00:55:25,572 --> 00:55:29,212 Crossing the line or something, but we talked about that there are 883 00:55:29,212 --> 00:55:35,332 messages in movies and, the Matrix and Star Wars and that there's this 884 00:55:35,852 --> 00:55:40,272 Star Wars and Star Trek, that there's infinite life forms out there. 885 00:55:40,822 --> 00:55:42,842 If you can imagine it, it exists. 886 00:55:43,812 --> 00:55:49,792 I grew up in the 60s and 70s and every year we, they played this. 887 00:55:50,217 --> 00:55:51,527 movie on Sunday night. 888 00:55:51,557 --> 00:55:55,137 It was called once a year, it's called Wizard of Oz, The Wizard of Oz. 889 00:55:55,967 --> 00:56:02,497 And so, we're talking about near death experiences and that movie is Dorothy, 890 00:56:02,997 --> 00:56:09,397 she goes in that farmhouse and it gets caught in that cyclone vortex and 891 00:56:09,487 --> 00:56:13,857 window comes off and hits her in the head and she peels away from her body. 892 00:56:13,887 --> 00:56:15,297 It's a near death experience. 893 00:56:16,007 --> 00:56:18,707 And then she lands in a place. 894 00:56:19,437 --> 00:56:24,627 And she goes from a black and white drab lifestyle into this incredibly 895 00:56:25,597 --> 00:56:30,697 beautiful environment with these giant flowers and colors everywhere. 896 00:56:31,147 --> 00:56:35,087 And then she meets these little, four foot high, little giggling 897 00:56:35,337 --> 00:56:36,567 munchkins, these people. 898 00:56:37,007 --> 00:56:42,917 And they come at her in groups of three, the lollipop guys and the... 899 00:56:43,417 --> 00:56:47,177 The dancers and the politicians, they all come forward in groups of three. 900 00:56:48,167 --> 00:56:49,477 And they're very playful. 901 00:56:49,477 --> 00:56:55,977 And and then Glinda shows up and she comes in as this beautiful purple gold 902 00:56:56,007 --> 00:56:59,157 orb, and she's this, the good witch. 903 00:56:59,867 --> 00:57:02,297 And she sets her up, sends her on her way. 904 00:57:02,657 --> 00:57:06,547 And whenever Dorothy has a problem, 905 00:57:06,547 --> 00:57:09,537 Glinda's right there to help her out. 906 00:57:09,837 --> 00:57:12,397 It's, this higher self thing you and I talked about. 907 00:57:13,922 --> 00:57:19,282 And Dorothy meets a scarecrow looking for a heart, or looking for a brain, 908 00:57:19,702 --> 00:57:24,522 and a tin man looking for a heart, and and a cowardly lion looking for courage. 909 00:57:26,172 --> 00:57:31,012 And so, what I take from all that is, we're here in this world, and 910 00:57:31,092 --> 00:57:33,422 we get control of our thoughts. 911 00:57:34,082 --> 00:57:41,532 Get control of our brain and use that to live by the intelligence of the 912 00:57:41,532 --> 00:57:47,572 heart of sweetness and kindness and compassion and to move through this 913 00:57:47,572 --> 00:57:53,832 life and out of this life without fear, with courage, then we get to go home. 914 00:57:55,012 --> 00:57:58,232 And that is absolutely what that story is about. 915 00:57:59,007 --> 00:58:00,127 That's a great message. 916 00:58:00,867 --> 00:58:03,477 That's going to make me look at that movie totally differently from now on. 917 00:58:03,847 --> 00:58:07,497 My wife has watched it probably a hundred times and she's obsessed by it. 918 00:58:08,447 --> 00:58:08,887 Excellent. 919 00:58:09,057 --> 00:58:11,387 All right, Bill, it's been it's been a blast. 920 00:58:11,437 --> 00:58:14,167 Thank you so much for coming on the show and thank you for 921 00:58:14,252 --> 00:58:14,782 Thank you, Rod. 922 00:58:16,092 --> 00:58:16,522 Thank you. 923 00:58:16,722 --> 00:58:17,812 I was greatly honored.