Then I landed in a place that was solid.
It still had this sort of other side feel to it.
But it was a facility.
It was a room.
It was indirect lighting there.
There was equipment gurneys and tables.
And right in front of me,
there were these three short little hooded guys.
And they were about four foot tall and they had on these dark robes with a hood
and they were overjoyed to see me.
And they were giggling and bouncing around, they were bumping
into each other and I was just, in a a state of, amazement.
My guest today is Bill Letson, who's a former firefighter who had a near death
experience after he contracted the flu.
Bill, welcome.
And thank you so much for coming on the show today.
Thank you, Rod.
It's my pleasure.
It's quite an honor to be interviewed from Australia.
All right.
Is it your first time somebody from Australia has interviewed you?
I think so.
Oh, cool.
Well, I'm glad to be the first.
I guess there's not many people who do what I do, at least not at this stage.
I imagine in five years time, there'll probably be loads of us.
Will be.
Yeah, absolutely.
Okay.
So, well, how about you give us a little bit of your background growing up?
Cause I'm always interested in that.
And then tell us about your NDE?
Yeah, I grew up here in California little town,
played sports and got interested in the fire department for, when I was about 18.
And once I got on a fire crew at 19 years old and you get out there and that,
and it's real thrilling for a teenager and I just fell in love
with it and never looked back.
And, I was with the Forest Service, U.
S.
Forest Service for 10 years and did all that stuff, helicopters and backcountry
ranger and engines and hot shots.
And got on with Santa Barbara County full time when I was in my late twenties.
And I retired, it was 35 years.
I retired in 2010 and yeah, it's wonderful life here.
NDE.
35 years.
That's a long time to have the same occupation.
And you always enjoyed turning up to work every day?
I loved every shift.
I would have done it for free.
Yeah it had everything,
it was exciting and it was dangerous.
And and you were helping people
and I didn't really realize how powerful that was until I was in my thirties.
Cause you know, I was just a young guy and I started realizing, that it really
hit me in the heart, when you cut an old guy out of a car or something, it
was like, you go to bed at night going, man, this is, it's a crazy job really,
if you can really affect people's lives.
When you're doing something that can really affect people like that, I guess
you can sort of take it for granted because you're all doing the same thing.
Everybody in your team, everybody you work with is all doing the same thing and
then occasionally an event occurs where you kind of go, whoa, we just did that.
yeah, we just did it.
And, sometimes you about two, every two or three years,
you'd get burned over or electrocuted or something.
And that's just the nature of firefighters it's hazardous.
I remember a couple of times, a family would say, you, you
landed hard in that helicopter.
People got hurt and it's like, well, it's worth it.
We were doing something cool.
We were, back country rescue.
And so, yeah, it's a great job.
Yeah, we were talking, when we were talking off air, so my parents
well, my dad's like 72, 73 now, and he's a volunteer firefighter, so he
kind of manages and coordinates the local all the fire brigades around
the county, I guess, in your terms.
And you're talking about burned over, yeah, he got burned
over once, so he was out.
We call them utes here, in his truck and he had water on the back and there's a lot
of tall trees and it was a really windy day and just the wind like reversed, came
the other way and by the time they'd like radiated what was going on, he was like,
I'm blocked, like I can't get out of it.
That'd be a pretty scary moment.
I imagine that's probably happened to you as well.
Obviously he survived, but he had to go right over, went straight
over the top of his truck.
Yeah.
I've been in a few of those.
A couple of them are written up there.
And the guys behind us in another truck didn't survive.
And, there was a few of those in my career, but I, a
couple of times I was like,
man, I'm never going to make it to retirement at this.
At this rate, but I did, it was kind of surprised.
And but looking back, it was, all of it was worth it.
I'm glad I hung in there.
Yeah.
All right.
So, well, obviously your NDE occurred at some point during your career.
Oh, he gets stuck into that.
Yeah, it was 1994.
I was working in Santa Barbara on a paramedic engine and I
was, Driver, the engineer, and
we had a four man crew, a couple of paramedics and captain and
me, and we were running calls.
It was a typical flu season, but it was a powerful flu, and we went to
a patient, and I got exposed to her.
We were getting her into the hospital, and I took a deep breath of her breath,
and a few days later, I was super ill, and things were, Fading
fast one couple of days into it.
I just couldn't, I couldn't get ahead of what the flu was doing to me.
And I was dehydrated.
My blood pressure was dropping out.
My pulse was racing.
When those two start going different directions, that means your body's
trying to compensate for, not having enough blood circulating.
And I figured it out sort of, and I called for help and eventually
the My fire department showed up, got me in an ambulance.
They got some IVs in me.
And by the time I got to the hospital, they put me in a room in
the emergency room and the place was full of kids and full of adults, all this flu
was really, going hard on the community.
And they were trying to get ahead of all the people coming in
because they couldn't see them.
So they were, they just kind of broadcast prescribed this, something
for pain and something for nausea.
And when the nurse came in, she put it in really fast and, I just keeled over
you're supposed to count those things in, but it wasn't, I mean, I never felt
anything I was never mad about that or anything because it led to this.
event and it was, it's a really life changing event.
When those things happen to you, you have to realize that, you're
not really in charge of this life.
It's kind of a scripted thing and you're going to have these challenges
and you just roll with them.
And that's kind of how I looked at that.
And so my wife was there and I just tanked.
My blood pressure just went all the way out.
I mean, I came in there on my knees with a low blood pressure
and that just dropped it.
painkiller med was a, vasodilator opens up all your vessels.
So my, there was no more, there was no more pressure.
There was no more volume to get the perfusion.
And so, so I was out cold and they couldn't get me back.
My wife was there.
She told me all this and she was writing things down and she said,
they Narcan'd you immediately.
And she wrote it down three times.
They Narcan'd you at like five minute, 10 minute intervals
and they couldn't get you back.
The highest blood pressure she heard was 40 over zero.
And yeah, that's barely hanging on.
And you and I were talking about that athletic stuff before we came on and I
was, at that time I was doing Iron Man's.
One of those nutty guys that, swims before work and runs at
lunch and, cycles on his days off.
hardcore.
And I was just, and they said that you had such an efficient system.
It's probably why you survived because the vitals were just tanked.
They shipped me up to intensive care and put a bunch of, monitoring stuff on me and
oxygen and fluids and head down type stuff and hope for the best.
And it was about 3.
30 in the afternoon when all this happened.
And somewhere in the middle of the night, as far as I can recollect somewhere in
the middle of the night, I left my body.
And I was no longer Bill.
And I was flying through this sea of stars.
And they were these beautiful colored orbs and they had all different colors
and energy and tones and radiating all of this welcoming, this
love and acceptance and joy.
And as I was coming into the realization of that I was this, that I'd been let
out of this hot, stuffy, dark closet.
And then I was this huge expanded cloud of some sort.
It seemed like I went on forever.
And, but I was still me.
I wasn't Bill, the voice in your head that narrates your day
and, tells you, I was still me.
That was a seamless transition.
I was still me, but I wasn't a human being.
And and the first thing I thought was, man, what was that?
That was rough.
What I meant by that was this human this time as a human.
That was, I was just really startled that it was such rough duty.
And I was really happy to be free of that.
And I was, as I was flying along, once that cleared, the thing
that was going on in my head was,
how in the world did I forget who I really was?
How is it possible that I believed I was this guy, this dude who had
all these problems, had and, what his opinion on this and that was
and who was cool and who wasn't and.
What the future was gonna hold for him.
All of that stuff.
And I was deep into it and all of that stuff was an illusion.
It was a game that we play here.
It's like, a trick or almost a joke
and not downplaying anybody's importance in life, but it's almost
a joke we play on ourself to see.
How close we can get to figuring out who we really are.
I think that is the end goal.
We figure out who we really are and then we navigate that the
other side when we first, when we die and we first leave our bodies.
And we're not in a state of confusion or a fit of uncertainty,
as Tom Campbell puts it,
I think that's well put because we, you know, it's a mental universe.
And once we start down some road, some thought road.
We're creators.
We're creating confusion.
We're creating things that trip us up.
So yeah, it's a whole thing, I think, is to keep our wits about
us when we transition back.
So I was flying along and I was just absolutely stoked.
It was, Like, all of my cells were being tickled and like, I was, everything,
every atom was, like, giggling.
It was like a cool breeze blowing through everything,
and honey was being poured over my head, and everything was just, it
was just lit up, it was euphoria, and I've uh, unashamed to say that from
the, every time I've told the story, I've used the word, Cosmic orgasm.
And that is exactly what it felt.
Not a, not the way we understand it here, but just this incredible,
joyful, overpowering euphoria.
So I was flying along and I was loving all of it.
And I said, this is awesome.
I'm home.
And you know, there, if I thought about something, it was immediate,
like the old microfiche, you'd go to the library and you'd spin that microfiche
and you'd see pages.
Like if you were looking at a math book or something, you'd see formulas, you'd
see calculations, you'd see geometry.
And those things, we hear about
the
Akashic records and, it's like this universal mind and everything
is available to us instantly.
And I didn't really understand it at the time, but I just saw diagrams and
formulas and lots of math just coming at me in like pages and going past.
You can't bring any of that back, at least certainly not a fireman.
But so, I was flying along thinking, this is awesome.
I'm back to who I was.
I'm out of that, whatever I signed up for that gig, that trick that
I was involved in, and then I landed in a place that was solid.
It still had this sort of other side feel to it.
But it was.
It was a facility.
It was a room.
It was indirect lighting there.
There was equipment gurneys and tables.
And right in front of me, there were these three short little hooded guys.
And they were about four foot tall
and they had on these dark robes with a hood and they were overjoyed to see me.
And they were giggling and bouncing around, they were bumping into each other
and I was just, in a state of, amazement.
And so I was just looking at them, whatever that means.
It's a lot of people say, well, you didn't have eyes.
Well, no, I didn't have eyes, but I was looking at things and,
Do they have faces?
Yeah, they had faces, they were smiling,
and the faces were just kind of these frumpy, kind of like a stovepipe that's
been crunched down they had these layers, they had big smiles, and these
guys were super joyful and playful,
and, they were confident, they knew who they were, they knew who I was, and one
of them came forward and looked me up and down, Because I was very confused.
I was just like, what's going on now?
I just got used to that other place and
He came and looked me up and down and then he turned to the other ones
and he said he doesn't remember us
and They all started giggling uproariously and bouncing around and you know slapping
each other on the back and I was really confused and I was like, well guys,
I you know, no offense, but I kind of remember you But this is
this is very strange place for me.
I wasn't afraid at all.
I was, I felt completely safe and loved and more so than,
walking downtown in Los Angeles.
They sound
and they were very, pardon
they sound like Ewoks, the Ewoks in Star Wars.
The little jolly guys, furry guys that are about three feet tall bouncing around.
That's what they sound like.
Yeah.
They there's a lot of that.
And I say that often that they're in our media, in our mainstream.
Movies and song lyrics and TV shows and songs and books and stuff.
There are a lot of references to, this divine side of us that
we don't know anything about.
We have heard these stories of religion and science and history and, the
popular culture and the vast majority of us believe we have all the answers
and those stories are coming to us on screens and you know those screens When
we look at something with our eyes, it goes straight into our subconscious.
That's sort of how the universe Communicates people say they see their
life review and they see these screens.
And so it's yeah, it's a very powerful story that we get And it's all,
it's not a conspiracy or anything.
It's all cool.
We signed up for it.
This is the most difficult time in the great year, the 24, 000 year cycle.
This, we're coming out of it right now, and this is the hardest time.
To be alive because it's everything's so confusing.
The messages are there just like the Ewoks and the Munchkins.
And in that movie Communion Christopher Walken is, he's in
some sort of a facility and.
He's bouncing around with these guys and they, those guys that are in that movie,
they looked exactly like the guys I saw.
Right.
Exactly.
And that's, that's supposed to be a horror movie and get fearful,
but if you watch that movie and turn the sound off and watch those guys.
They're cool.
They're high fiving Christopher Walken and there's children in that facility
and they're playing with them looking after them and these guys are dancing
around and everything's very playful and joyful and that's exactly what I saw.
It's exactly what I experienced.
So yeah, the universe is nothing to be fearful of, but we come here
into this this earth realm, this earth plane for the fear lessons.
And we're supposed to get control of that, no matter how confounding it can be,
but we're supposed to get control of it.
And.
Move on knowing what we really are and without fear.
So there was another guy there.
And so these guys were fun and I'm bouncing around with them.
And then in the background, there was this tall guy.
He was this tall,
I call him the tall wispy guy because he was like, he was made out of vapor
or smoke or like a spinning liquid.
And, if you put you take a glass of water and spin it really fast
and then you have that whirlpool
and that's what he looked like, I've called him a Gumby.
It looked like I was looking at somebody underwater and he was this spinning wispy
dude, had a big smile on his face and.
When he came forward, he separated, like, part of the whirlpool pulled off the top,
and then the rest of it caught up, his legs caught up, or his arms caught up,
and it came back together, and he was like this wispy moving guy, and obviously
he was the man in that environment, and without being the man, there wasn't
any power to him or anything like that.
And, but he had this incredible power of love.
And when he came towards me with this big smile, big eyes open and chuckling the
whole way, as he came close, you could tell he was just stoked to see me drop
in and as he got closer My chest just felt like it was being over pumped like
a tire and my throat clamped down and
I felt like I was going to fall to my knees and break down in
uncontrollable crying from love.
There was so much love coming from this being that it was paralyzing.
It was overwhelming.
And he came closer and we had some sort of exchanges and every time I said anything,
anytime I thought of speaking and I spoke from our position of understanding
communication, whenever I said anything, he just had this chuckle over and over
and I could feel his chuckle inside of me.
And at one point, I said, there wasn't much going on.
The little guys were bouncing around and they were giggling
and very playful and joyful.
And me being a fireman, you got policies and guidelines and
you get to work type of thing.
And and he was just chuckling at them and he was chuckling at me cause I
was starting to try to take over.
And I think what was so funny was, I just arrived and I was just this, like this
toddler, like some sort of copy of him where there's thousands of copies of him.
And I was just considered a cosmic toddler.
And, I was trying to, Make suggestions.
And one of them was
I'm not going back there.
I'm not going back to Bill.
That's absolutely non negotiable.
And I go, so with
final.
That's what I was.
Like a little two year old with his hands on his hips.
And I said, so, are we going to what's next?
Should we do a review of my life?
Are we going to go through that?
And, cause I was thinking I, I need to move on.
I got a taste of that limitless world in the stars and the orbs.
Absolutely limitless, absolutely infinite.
And so I wanted to get out of that facility and, get to it.
And so I said, you guys want to, you guys want to start with that?
You want to start with a review of my life?
And he just cracked up.
He thought that was hysterical that the little toddler was going to run things.
But he was cool and he said, yeah, sure, sure, little toddler.
How do you want to start?
And said, okay.
So I started telling some stories about things that I wish I'd done differently.
No big regrets, just there weren't any, it wasn't anything really.
That big, I was just trying to fill it in and check this box so I could move on.
And, I talked about my wife and how when we came out of college,
I got offered this park service job out on an island and we were going
to be, it was like a hour helicopter ride off the coast and we're going
to be on this island and we're going to, manage the foxes and some groups
would come out once every few weeks.
We give them a tour.
Some professors or something.
And other than that, we were on our own to look after those little
cottage out on this San Miguel Island.
And.
And she wanted that.
She's never ever said anything, but she said, we really should take this job.
It's when are we going to get a chance to live on an island by ourselves?
I was like, yeah, it sounds kind of boring.
You know, We were in our twenties and I wanted, I wanted more excitement.
I'd been on a helishot cruise and, backcountry stuff and it's
exciting camaraderie's there with all the guys and stuff.
And I loved it.
And so I took a fire job, she's never really lobbied for anything,
but she did want to do that.
And so I brought it up and I talked about it a little bit and I brought
up a couple of other things.
And then right in the middle of, some rap I was working on.
He just goes, okay, that's enough.
And he stepped forward like a father, playtime's over.
And he said, time to go back.
And that just, that shocked me.
I was like, what?
Go back?
There's no way I'm not going back there.
You gotta be kidding.
And he goes, no, you gotta go back.
You got things to do and they're important.
I tried several times and at one point I said, no you guys don't understand.
That place is gnarly.
It's super hard, and I've had a absolutely charmed life.
You can tell the ball has bounced my way every time.
Career and education and parents and family.
It's, and I'm absolutely grateful and appreciate all of it.
But that was, from the other side, looking back at this place the burden
that we carry with those emotions that don't exist, those low vibe emotions
like jealousy and anger and, we're all capable of it we can all get there and
it's a devastating feeling compared to what is really going on in the universe.
That it is just this pure love sort of existence, fun, and
you don't have to earn it.
You already are it.
So I tried a few more things.
I told him, look, I'm almost 38, or I'm almost 40.
I was 38 at the time.
I'm almost 40 and I don't really have any more to contribute.
I'm pretty much, just this burned over guy, and I'll be an old guy soon.
And he laughed at everything I tried just.
Thought it was hysterical.
And I told him that, I got lots of friends, but they'll be fine.
They'll think of me, but they won't be harmed by my demise.
But my parents and my wife, they're going to hurt for a couple of
weeks, but they'll come through it.
They're strong people.
And he thought that was real funny.
And he said, all right, that's enough.
Come on, you're going back.
And he came towards me and It was obvious that we think we have this
free will and things like that.
And and we don't we are at the um, have complete power over us, what
dimension we're in where we're going, and it's best to just...
Get on their page and, do your thing here.
So yeah, he, so he came forward and I felt everything just breaking up.
I felt the room coming apart and I felt a sinking feeling like a lower vibration, a
lower frequency, felt like I was dropping away and he just sort of dissolved in
front of me, spun away into nothing and I dropped away into darkness and when I got
down near my body, I was in this place.
I knew I was close to my body
and I was in this place that was dark and lonely and dismal, and you didn't want
to, absolutely did not want to be there.
And, a lot of people ask me, you think that was hell or, and.
It could have been that, yeah, there is a realm directly next to us where,
it's a realm of low vibrations where people who don't do too well in this life
they're stuck, we call them ghosts and spirits and things like that.
They're confused.
And I think it could be that, that realm was devastating.
And, but it was also, I think, cause I knew I was near my body.
And I think when we reintegrate.
With, the body who has that ability to hold those low vibrations that it's
just like, it's like a dropping a ton of rocks on you with energetically.
It's, and that's why, a lot of NDEers, if you, when they wake up,
they're pissed,
Yeah.
some of them are yelling, how, what do you, what did you do, send
me back, and also when a baby's
They come into this world crying
Yeah.
They're pretty pissed too, aren't they?
? I never thought of that.
Yeah, they're pissed.
It's and these are eternal souls that with incredible intelligence and that
soul is speaking through that baby.
It's the first words is like, God dang it.
I'm in this place.
It's rough.
So yeah, I was back in my body and it was the machines were taking
my blood pressure and stuff.
So they'd wake me up and I'd look at the numbers and I watched them, the
vitals climb, the numbers were lit in the dark and I was watching it.
Climb and climb.
And pretty soon I could stay awake.
And that's probably around four or something when I came back and
it was probably five 30 or six.
And I kind of was sitting up a little bit and saying, okay, I'm back here.
And the nurse came by and it's like, she was just like shocked.
She's like, you're awake.
And I'm like, yes, I am.
I need to talk to you.
And she said, well, I need to go tell a doctor where you've been.
Special project all night.
We didn't know if you were coming back.
We didn't know what, how you got this far gone.
And I said, okay, that's great.
You can go get the doctor and we can all talk about it.
Well, first, what am I doing back here?
Was that pissed.
And I told her I was home.
I was with my best friends.
I've known forever.
How is it that I got back here?
I was dead.
I had bought the farm.
I was sure of it.
And she had put her hands on my shoulders and she said,
honey, you've been in escrow,
but you've fallen out of escrow and now you're back with us and you're going
to have to get your head around that.
And I've talked to people channels and mediums.
Mediums are really good for me to talk to because they're
in that world all the time.
They know exactly.
And a lot of them call me and say, you're describing this.
The other side passed the veil.
Exactly what I've, moved in since I was a child.
And so this medium I met her and had lunch with her.
And she said, that was the most powerful thing that could have happened
to you because she grounded you.
That nurse told you, you're back in your body and there's nothing
you're going to do about it.
So.
Get your head around it.
And, some really powerful awesome people in the years,
they'll go through years of depression.
Some of them will, find addiction because coming into this world is a shocker.
It's a tough one.
And so, yeah if you do go through
something like that and eventually you'll get with the yogis or a
spiritual teacher or something.
And they'll come up with the phrase, chop wood and carry water, which
means get up every day and do the daily things to keep your life going.
Get your head in, in your work, in your life and keep it going because you're
on a journey, you're on a mission from the other side and, make them
proud, make the higher vibrational choices and, this is a wonderful gift
this life is, and it's going to be full of challenges, but face them.
And, we came to, to learn from our challenges.
So, the doctor showed up and the guys in the fire department showed up.
My family showed up and I'm just like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
You guys need to understand this, we don't know what we're doing here.
It's, it is a wonderful almost a cartoon world on the other
side and it's all joyful
and I got the kook label pretty fast
they were like, how much fentanyl did they give to Bill?
Can you, did you check the dose ? Yeah.
yeah and I I learned to dummy up and fit in and it worked out okay,
but I always knew that it was real and if I was in a bookstore, I'd tiptoe into the
woo woo section and look for something that might give me some answers and the
Eckart Tolle books were good and and there's this woman who wrote My Stroke
of Insight Jill Bolte Taylor and she was a brain specialist for Harvard and she
had a stroke and she said when she had her stroke that she was in both worlds.
And floating between both worlds.
And, when I said that I was let out of a hot, dark closet and I was this huge
expanded cloud balloon flying through space, and she said, I felt like I
was a genie released from her bottle.
And I was this euphoric whale flying through a sea of ecstasy.
And.
I'm like, okay, this is real.
So, so yeah, that's my story.
And I dummied up till 2010 and then I retired and around 2012, that was,
that was a powerful energetic year for the whole planet, this whole supposed
to be the end of the world, but it was actually the beginning of a new type of
human that's going to be more energetic.
And that's what we see right now.
The energy of the planet is going up,
it's why the fires burn hotter if you gaze at the sun,
don't do that because it's dangerous, but if you did it, first thing in the
morning, when it first comes there are color codes and it's pulsing wildly,
and, the the thing with global warming, it's a the frequency of the planet is
going up, just like you're turning the heat up on a pot of water, it's, things
are more active and things are more active spiritually and a lot to people.
Well, the last year and a half has been incredible with the podcast
interest and it's fun to watch.
It's for real that, there's a divine hand in our material
world and we're going places.
And it's super exciting.
You just reminded me that it was like March, I think, and I saw, I, I can't
even remember the exact event I saw.
It wasn't the first time I'd seen an N D E testimonial.
But the immediate thought was, oh, I've got to do that.
I was like, what?
I wasn't even doing anything like that.
I mean, I, but I had an interest in it, like, since I was a child, right?
I thought, yeah, I've got to do that.
My wife thinks, she still thinks I'm crazy.
But yeah, here we are.
Here we are.
I've got dozens of these interviews and every time I make eye contact with you
guys, usually before we start and I say, what do you, how'd you get into this?
And every one of them have a story like that, where I just suddenly
felt this was what I need to do.
And, I tried, there's a lot of people in Hollywood making movies
and stuff documentaries and.
One time I was doing this thing and I got these guys and I said,
all right, come on, level with me.
Is there some guy in the area that's organizing all you guys?
Some producer, somebody, and they're like, no, all of them.
So it's not some conspiracy theory or something.
It's, if it's a conspiracy from the divine to enlighten.
yeah, 100%, and if there was, like, if there was even a hint of somebody, like,
trying to tell me, you've got to do this particular thing, I'd be like, Piss off.
I'm not doing that.
I'm going to do my own thing.
Thanks very much.
So, yeah, I'm like the complete opposite of what they might be looking for.
So there was something that you, there's this, I've got so many questions, Bill.
The first thing, well it's not really a question, it's just an observation
about the nurse, like the service that she did you, by not trying to deny
your experience, and to downplay it, it was almost like, yeah, I know where
you've been, you're coming back now, and this is how it is, so, that's pretty
amazing, and as you say, that kind of makes me wonder, like I have friends
who are emergency ER nurses and whatnot, and I think there's a lot of things
changing in hospitals, but it does make me wonder like how valuable training
for those people and understanding that this is a real phenomena and
this is a great way to handle it.
Your example was perfect, I think.
Yeah, I was super lucky and she was a, she was an old timer, this gum chewing,
no nonsense nurse and and yeah, she put her hands on my shoulders and it's listen
to me, you're back with us get over it.
And, you tell a fireman that it's like, okay, got it, man.
She knew exactly what to say and how to say it.
There's something you mentioned about the 24, 000 year cycle.
Now, I'm pretty sure I've read about this in the book of Ra.
I'm not sure where you've got it and I don't understand much about it, but could
you tell us more your understanding?
It sounds like you've done loads of reading since you've had your NDE, but
what's your understanding of that cycle?
I did this thing with the ayahuasca and I was going to the jungle
for like three or four years.
And then this.
thing opened and I had all these amazing visions.
And when I got back here, just like you, I had this thing where
I need to go to this conference on procession and ancient knowledge,
I just packed up and, drove down to Newport and went to this conference.
I didn't know if I'd fit in or what.
And.
Their whole thing is procession of the equinox.
It's a 24, 000 year cycle and each of the astrological signs
have a 2, 000 year period.
And we just went into the age of Aquarius I think, recently.
And, this is the the, when things are, light is pouring back
into the into the earth plane.
And at 2012, so it's a continuous cycle and all these different people, the Mayans
and the Hindus, they call them things like Bakhtans, or they call them Yugas.
But for us, it's a, there's a golden age and that's at the top
and for us that would be like Egypt.
That's the last of the golden age, Egypt and the Mesoamerica cultures.
They were so far ahead.
They had all these, this knowledge of energy and free energy and
anti gravity and invisibility.
They knew it all.
But you go from a golden age and then it comes down through the dark ages
and all these times of war and stuff, and then it goes silver, bronze,
and then it comes to an iron age.
And.
We just, 2012 was the bottom and we turned the corner and it could, I could watch
the world just become all of a sudden in 2013, 2014, there was all these kids that
were showing up at this place, Pachamama.
They couldn't house them all, hundreds of them.
And they said, I just knew I had to come here.
And it was right on schedule, right after December, 2012.
And light is coming back in to the world and we will slowly climb up to a bronze
and a silver age and the next golden age.
And this cycle has gone on forever.
We have all these stories and all this confidence that we know what
the history is of this place.
And I don't think we do.
I think civilizations have risen and fallen for eternity.
And this place is kind of a stage.
Where what's really going on is as young souls, we're learning how to become high
quality souls so that we can move on
and move out into the universe and do the work of the universe.
So this is kind of a, we've all heard this, it's a school.
Where we have the School of Hard Knocks, where we go through experiences and at
some point we stop reacting to them with anger and, resentment and shame and guilt,
all those things, we just say, I'm not doing that anymore and that, that's when
we start getting ready to graduate and we don't have to come back here, this
cycle of rebirth is broken and how's that?
Is that helpful?
Yeah, that's good.
It's something that I also want to do some more research in, but I
think it was very interesting to me.
Did, my next question is, did you bring any let me try that again.
A lot of NDE's bring back, it's like something got cracked open in them.
And they have these new awarenesses, new abilities, new powers.
Did you have anything like that?
Yeah I did.
I If somebody had low vibration intentions like a business deal or,
somebody was doing something not in the highest vibrational, vibe
Serving themself and not you.
That's,
Absolutely.
Thank you very much.
Yes.
Yeah, if it was a self serving, if it was a selfish vibe,
it was really obvious to me.
And it wasn't somebody who was judging it.
It just, it's like, this is going to go poorly, it'll play out over the next
few years, but this person's not up to a high vibrational thing and that's
what this place is for, we come here.
To behave like that, and most of us are going to, and until we
don't, and then we start leaving.
The other thing, I just came up kind of accidentally in an interview, but
a few years after that, after my NDE, I was running and biking and swimming
a lot, but I was all of a sudden I was counting in groups of four, like a
musician, one and two and three and four and two and it's going on for hours.
And I really didn't understand it, but I bought some drums a few years later.
And my wife was really like,
what are you doing now?
And I said, I don't know.
I think this is pretty easy.
And I could, in a couple of months, I could play pretty much any song.
And she's like, I can't, this is, you haven't even had a lesson.
You haven't even watched a video.
I said, I don't know.
It just, it all seems to fit.
And what really fit was, the structure of music and this whole
thing with math mathematics in our world, you know, is fundamentally
mathematics and it feels good to us when these things are all balanced,
in key and timing.
And so I got into a couple of different bands and this one group
approached me and said, we want you.
And I was like, you don't understand.
I've been playing drums for just a few years and I'm just this, guy in his
forties and I don't know what I'm doing.
And I remember this one guy used to play with the beach boys.
And he toured with them and he said, look, whatever it is that
a drummer needs, you have it.
And we don't know why, but you know how to structure music, where the bridges
are, where the tempo changes, you just, we don't get it either, but you have it.
And we went really far, I played the state fair and, in the green room and my wife's
looking at me going, how did you do this?
I mean, I can trace it back to that, because I didn't have it prior to the
NDE, and I remember seeing all those formulas and stuff just powering in,
and, then it was gradual, but, and it was genuine, I wasn't, I was just letting
it happen, and all of a sudden, all of this counting, and all of this You know,
groups of four, you know four beats to a measure, four measures to a bar, it's like
a mathematical formula for me, that's how I could see it and yeah, it's been great.
We had a reunion here last year and we all played and
Awesome.
I don't know,
How long was the band together for?
Or how long did you play in a band?
I played in bands about 12 years and this.
I have this thing, this Kundalini thing.
And when that starts rising you get, it's a really different, big conversation.
But to be around alcohol, like we play wineries and breweries
and, just drunken people, yelling out songs and stuff like that.
The whole thing with alcohol is something that diminishes our vibration.
It's a central nervous system depressant.
And our whole experience here in this earth realm is it's
the central nervous system.
It's the, our eyes and our ears and what we're feeling.
That's what we're processing.
And when, if you're drinking a lot, a heavy drinker or whatever your
system's depressed all the time.
And so the input is, it's always a low story, low vibration story.
And I could really feel that.
I could really feel when I was around addicts and people who were, alcohol
was a big part of their day and, I'd rather be around my dogs and, the deer
that live here and that kind of thing
Yeah, that, that makes sense.
Did you did you get to live on the island?
did not, yeah, I, I took a fire job and then we moved I think it was
Sequoia and it was on an engine.
It was a great summer, but nope, she didn't get her, she didn't get the island.
And I really do wish I could go back and change that.
Cause that would have been, this is a guy that's almost 70.
Then I was 24, you want to sit on an island, stare out to sea.
That wasn't my idea of an exciting time, but now it is.
Well you look like you've still got at least another 20, 30 years Bill, I
reckon there's a good chance that your wife still won't get her wish yet.
So the wispy guy, the Gandalf kind of guy, the whirlpool that you met.
My first impression when you were telling me that story was...
That's you, Bill.
Like, that's your higher self there, telling you, you gotta get back.
So it wasn't anybody else, but you telling you what to do.
What do you think about that idea?
Thank you.
I think you're spot on, bro.
Because he just loved me and he was I just entertained the hell out of him.
Like, like a kid, like having a kid, like having a toddler and.
I think we have thousands of lives here on the earth plane, and there's this
talk about time that it doesn't really exist, so they're all occurring at the
same time, this gets into things we really can't process but yeah, I'm one of
thousands, like a, an army of experiencers for this higher version of me,
An evolving super being.
And we, it's not just me, we're all the same and we have all
of us, we have thousands of souls watching us all the time.
That's just not an old guy making something up because as I move on,
I, if I look in the blue sky, it looks like I'm looking at it under a
microscope at like a drop of ocean water.
It's just full of life forms darting here and there orbs and that's we, we
live in a highly energetic environment and we don't know it our senses are
choked down to where we've got this really narrow range of what we can
hear and see and and experience,
It is an amazing, unlimited
yeah, the default setting is for a very narrow band, isn't it?
And then yours has been expanded a little bit, so it sounds like you've
got still a bit of one foot in, in a higher realm, and then you've got
the rest of you is here, but not the same as what it was before you left.
Oh, no, it's when the Kundalini energy moves most, I mean, a lot of
people have this moving on them, but We're so disconnected from what we
really are that we don't know how to encourage it or to work with it.
And there's a whole story there, but I lucked out.
I was at this place called Pachamama and I was going through this silent retreat and
we had to write something every day to the spiritual guy that Chief of the village.
I guess the things I was writing, he came to me and he didn't talk to anybody.
We didn't speak, but we'd meet every day in this giant meditation hall.
And then he would have things to say.
And he singled me out and he said, you need to familiarize yourself with
Kundalini and with pranic energy, because the things you're writing to me, this is
obviously a Kundalini rising and it's, it's very powerful and it's on its way.
And I listened to him, when I got back to the States, I found this
Kundalini yoga instructor and it took eight months, a year of
going once a week and they go through the exercises and stuff.
I figured out what it was.
I didn't have any idea.
I just thought, well, this is a cool sounding name, and I realized by just
paying attention and figuring out what she was trying to, demonstrate for me
or show me that this is a real thing.
And you mentioned that I'm this kind of joyful, happy guy.
And that's part of it, that, that energy, we all have this drop of
God energy, this drop of light in our, the bottom of our spine.
And when it wakes up, it takes years and it moves up the spine and it pushes
all the energy, the dark energy that we.
accumulate emotional drama.
That's what the universe is.
It's all emotions, feelings, and it clears out all of those things.
And then there'll be a time when it reunites with divine and you have
this light just come through you.
And it's really powerful.
You absolutely realize something ridiculous is happening and and
once that connection starts up, then it slowly is opening up.
We talked about it earlier.
It's this energy is slowly moving through you and opening up your
central nervous system so that you can receive more and develop more, I guess.
But yeah I'm I'm getting pretty happy.
It's really obvious that it's, at some point I'm going to be a little
too happy, and then they this, we have facilities in this country full
of people who are misdiagnosed and they really are having a spiritual
awakening, a Kundalini awakening.
So in this country we had this the thing called the Good Humor and it
was ice cream company and so the joke was that the Good Humor truck is going
to come and take that fellow to the funny farm and all these references to.
This joyful presentation and that's what's going on.
And, that goes back to when we first started talking and I said that everyone
I ran into on the other side was giggling or chuckling or, and I felt like I was,
all my cells were being tickled and yeah.
We don't have anything to worry about.
The universe is an awesome place.
It's got a sense of humor as well.
So I'd love to hear more about the Kundalini thing, but I know
we're getting on with time.
So perhaps if you do come back for one of our live streams and you might want to
talk about that cause I would certainly like to learn more about that myself.
All right, Bill.
So, tell us what you got going on.
If somebody wants to get in touch with you, do you have any books or programs or
anything like that you want to talk about?
Well, no, I don't have the book, but I'm promising people that I will finish it.
I've got this overly joyful lifestyle and I gotta get, I
got to sit down and finish it.
And there's another video that I guess that one video that Alan
Chapman made was I mean, he just did a phenomenal job editing that.
And.
His production, I'm, as you can tell, I'm not that good of a speaker, but he,
his editing just made it wonderful for people to hear these, this crazy tale.
Yeah, I liked his, I liked the way he does things.
It's really good.
And you can tell he's been doing it for a long time.
There's a lot of mastery there.
All right, cool.
So have you got anything final that you want to leave people
with before we wrap it up?
Yeah.
You and I talked about the, actually you brought it up and I love that because
I bring it up and I feel like I'm.
Crossing the line or something, but we talked about that there are
messages in movies and, the Matrix and Star Wars and that there's this
Star Wars and Star Trek, that there's infinite life forms out there.
If you can imagine it, it exists.
I grew up in the 60s and 70s and every year we, they played this.
movie on Sunday night.
It was called once a year, it's called Wizard of Oz, The Wizard of Oz.
And so, we're talking about near death experiences and that movie is Dorothy,
she goes in that farmhouse and it gets caught in that cyclone vortex and
window comes off and hits her in the head and she peels away from her body.
It's a near death experience.
And then she lands in a place.
And she goes from a black and white drab lifestyle into this incredibly
beautiful environment with these giant flowers and colors everywhere.
And then she meets these little, four foot high, little giggling
munchkins, these people.
And they come at her in groups of three, the lollipop guys and the...
The dancers and the politicians, they all come forward in groups of three.
And they're very playful.
And and then Glinda shows up and she comes in as this beautiful purple gold
orb, and she's this, the good witch.
And she sets her up, sends her on her way.
And whenever Dorothy has a problem,
Glinda's right there to help her out.
It's, this higher self thing you and I talked about.
And Dorothy meets a scarecrow looking for a heart, or looking for a brain,
and a tin man looking for a heart, and and a cowardly lion looking for courage.
And so, what I take from all that is, we're here in this world, and
we get control of our thoughts.
Get control of our brain and use that to live by the intelligence of the
heart of sweetness and kindness and compassion and to move through this
life and out of this life without fear, with courage, then we get to go home.
And that is absolutely what that story is about.
That's a great message.
That's going to make me look at that movie totally differently from now on.
My wife has watched it probably a hundred times and she's obsessed by it.
Excellent.
All right, Bill, it's been it's been a blast.
Thank you so much for coming on the show and thank you for
Thank you, Rod.
Thank you.
I was greatly honored.