1 00:00:05,850 --> 00:00:17,250 Dariusz: Welcome to UNDER 30, the podcast series by the youth partnership that brings the research results, explores trends in young people's lives and themes relevant for youth policy and practice. 2 00:00:18,450 --> 00:00:30,720 The youth partnership has recently published a research paper "European youth work policy goals analyzed" written by Ilona-Evelyn Rannala, Jelena Stojanovic and Marko Kovacic. 3 00:00:31,860 --> 00:00:39,799 The goal of this analysis is to showcase, examine, and compare youth work policy goals of the European Union and the Council of Europe. 4 00:00:40,579 --> 00:00:41,719 Where do they meet? 5 00:00:41,809 --> 00:00:43,339 What is different? 6 00:00:43,609 --> 00:00:47,540 What tools do they propose to reach the youth policy goals? 7 00:00:49,019 --> 00:00:54,199 In this episode, we are discussing these questions with Bobby's papaya, from the European commission. 8 00:00:56,224 --> 00:01:06,014 In this episode, we are discussing these questions with Babis Papaioannou from the European Commission and Ilona-Evelyn Rannala a youth researcher from Estonia. 9 00:01:06,695 --> 00:01:21,810 We also look into the European youth work agenda and the response it got from the member states and also European year of youth, which has been announced by the European commission and it is planned to be launched in January, 2022. 10 00:01:23,460 --> 00:01:28,960 My name is Dariusz Grzemny and I'm joined in this podcast by Tanya Basarab from the youth partnership. 11 00:01:29,950 --> 00:01:30,730 Enjoy listening. 12 00:01:35,726 --> 00:01:39,626 Welcome to the next episode of our podcast. 13 00:01:40,286 --> 00:01:44,966 And today we are talking about European youth work policy goals. 14 00:01:45,336 --> 00:01:48,756 Sounds very complicated, but probably it's not that complicated. 15 00:01:48,756 --> 00:01:58,766 We have a research paper that's trying to analyze European youth policy goals of both European institutions, the Council of Europe and the European Union. 16 00:01:59,156 --> 00:02:02,016 Can we say a few words on this document? 17 00:02:02,016 --> 00:02:04,716 What's inside and what's the purpose of this document. 18 00:02:05,286 --> 00:02:08,706 And probably Tanya, you will be the person who will start. 19 00:02:09,789 --> 00:02:10,679 Tanya: Thank you, Darek. 20 00:02:11,169 --> 00:02:14,729 So, just a small reminder. 21 00:02:14,759 --> 00:02:28,679 2020 was a big year for youth work, for youth work policy because there were many things that happened, but notably, we had the third European Youth Work Convention and that was a big gathering. 22 00:02:28,679 --> 00:02:36,320 It happened digitally in December, 2020 under German Presidency of the EU and Chairmanship of the Council of Europe. 23 00:02:36,350 --> 00:02:42,444 So that, that coincidence was a really nice thing for the whole community of youth work. 24 00:02:42,774 --> 00:02:54,804 And actually since the convention we are talking about community of practice in youth work, and that is something that we will be probably growing as an understanding and as a concept in the future. 25 00:02:55,569 --> 00:03:03,920 So we in the partnership of course supported the organization of the convention, notably through analysis, research and so on. 26 00:03:04,730 --> 00:03:08,780 And then there were more policy decisions after the convention. 27 00:03:08,780 --> 00:03:26,856 There was also the final declaration of the convention and one of the commitments that the two partner institutions made was to enhance their cooperation on a European youth work agenda and to enhance it partly through the partnership as well. 28 00:03:27,636 --> 00:03:51,058 And, trying to help people understand what this youth work agenda was about we asked Ilona, Marko Kovacic who have very different, mixed experiences of practice, research, policy to look at the main documents and main decisions that were done around what this European youth work agenda is about. 29 00:03:51,148 --> 00:04:03,798 And also the declaration, the Council of Europe Recommendation, other relevant EU decisions, and to see where the commonalities lie and what should we be doing together? 30 00:04:04,518 --> 00:04:16,278 And they identified eight objectives or eight common themes, and probably Ilona is better at explaining how they went about this analysis. 31 00:04:17,532 --> 00:04:18,012 Ilona: Yes. 32 00:04:18,012 --> 00:04:18,612 Hello. 33 00:04:19,922 --> 00:04:24,582 Well, we deep dived into the five documents in April May. 34 00:04:24,762 --> 00:04:37,180 And it was a lot of deep swimming in the strategical documents, which are sometimes let's be honest, hard to read and, very overboarded sometimes. 35 00:04:38,034 --> 00:05:02,800 So, I think we helped the community of practice, like you mentioned Tanya, maybe to sum it up a little bit and to showcase that those five and very important strategical documents, EU and the Council of Europe, they are actually going into the same direction and are giving us all some vision and goals to reach on the national level as well. 36 00:05:05,170 --> 00:05:08,000 So yes, we came up with eight themes. 37 00:05:08,140 --> 00:05:26,474 And we did go, not only focusing on your goals and aims which were headed in the documents, goals and aims, but we looked deeper into that um, and trying to find out how the goals and aims are commented through the texts are up to the end. 38 00:05:26,725 --> 00:05:29,365 We came up with eight themes. 39 00:05:29,658 --> 00:05:31,788 I may even say them now. 40 00:05:32,538 --> 00:05:41,289 It's the quality of your work, youth workers who are learning and co-operating, youth work, which is understood and recognized in the society, 41 00:05:42,799 --> 00:05:51,769 innovative, adaptive and sustainable youth work, developing youth work, youth work for youth core values, and youth policy. 42 00:05:52,959 --> 00:05:54,652 And, I don't want to run ahead. 43 00:05:54,652 --> 00:06:08,197 I'm sure Darek has many questions for us to answer but one thing I want to point out that all these eight themes are interconnected and interlinked, and I'm sure we are going to discuss about this. 44 00:06:10,162 --> 00:06:11,032 Dariusz: Yes, we will try. 45 00:06:11,032 --> 00:06:14,197 Although as you said, it's a very complex document and there is eight themes. 46 00:06:14,197 --> 00:06:27,547 So it's quite a lot of things to discuss, but comprehensive analysis, and very clear as well to see what is distinctive, where the different documents or the goals, youth work policy goals, how they are promoted by both institutions. 47 00:06:27,547 --> 00:06:29,886 So if we can focus a little bit on this. 48 00:06:29,911 --> 00:06:39,586 You said already Ilona that these documents are heading towards the same direction, but it's very clear from the document that there are a few differences. 49 00:06:39,648 --> 00:06:41,418 There are a lot of meeting points. 50 00:06:41,418 --> 00:06:55,786 So if we can go a little bit in the details, just to showcase, where these youth policy goals promoted by those two institutions in the documents that we mentioned before, where do they meet and where they differ. 51 00:06:55,996 --> 00:07:03,053 So if we can talk a little bit about it and probably it's to you Ilona again, because you are one of the authors of the analysis. 52 00:07:06,237 --> 00:07:15,087 Ilona: Well, you are quite right, it's a long discussion and we could take half of a day to elaborate on the goals, in more detail. 53 00:07:16,197 --> 00:07:24,567 As I said, they, the goals go hand in hand and the same direction in the EU and Council of Europe documents. 54 00:07:25,317 --> 00:07:41,011 It has to be mentioned though that in some goals, the Council of Europe is a bit more detailed and more concrete, also already showing some mechanisms and possible ways to achieve those goals. 55 00:07:41,057 --> 00:07:48,482 For example, talking about the quality of your work, it's already a co-management and quality label mentioned there. 56 00:07:48,494 --> 00:07:58,659 In supporting youth workers who all the key actually in fulfilling those goals they already mention different programs and possibilities. 57 00:07:58,732 --> 00:08:01,012 Then what is similar? 58 00:08:01,035 --> 00:08:05,706 What has to be similar is the focus on young people. 59 00:08:07,036 --> 00:08:23,707 EU documents and Council of Europe documents, they both stress that you work is for all young people and that youth work is a very good practice to tackle and find young people who are in more vulnerable positions or are marginalised in society. 60 00:08:24,037 --> 00:08:30,647 So we both see you work as a very important practice in reaching all young people. 61 00:08:32,077 --> 00:08:42,123 Also, what is similar, but also a little bit maybe different is the innovation and sustainability of youth work. 62 00:08:42,143 --> 00:08:45,299 Both institutions talk about it. 63 00:08:45,382 --> 00:09:02,711 Council of Europe sees innovation as a principle or a value, which is booming through the practice at all times at the same time, when EU is maybe a bit more not concrete, but maybe seeing specific programs and specific measures taken under this. 64 00:09:02,935 --> 00:09:08,248 And where they agree again, and which is very good. 65 00:09:08,248 --> 00:09:18,898 I think is that youth work is definitely a part of youth policy, already established part of youth policy and this should be the way how it's developed further. 66 00:09:19,468 --> 00:09:31,908 So it's kind of a, in my way, in my mind it's backing youth work from the youth policy view and it's very important, actually it helps a practice to establish. 67 00:09:32,448 --> 00:09:43,258 I think also what is noticed in both documents quite well is that youth work is a practice, which takes place in a certain context. 68 00:09:43,953 --> 00:09:49,143 And the context in European countries is very different, our history is a bit different. 69 00:09:49,173 --> 00:09:50,673 Our cultures are different. 70 00:09:51,153 --> 00:09:58,863 And this explains and this is acknowledged in the documents, therefore youth work is very versatile. 71 00:09:59,673 --> 00:10:00,843 It's complex. 72 00:10:01,143 --> 00:10:02,343 It's different. 73 00:10:02,387 --> 00:10:17,868 I think by recognizing this, it also puts us in a position, and this is very clear in these documents that we need to address so many issues from so many different contexts and the practices already existing. 74 00:10:18,228 --> 00:10:36,894 And I think this might be maybe the biggest challenge, how to take all this contexts, written into the goals in these documents, but then take to, you know, in real life and, take some real steps to improve it. 75 00:10:37,554 --> 00:10:41,634 So yeah, I went maybe too far with it. 76 00:10:43,764 --> 00:10:44,544 Dariusz: Not too far. 77 00:10:44,544 --> 00:10:47,934 I guess there is much more to read in the document. 78 00:10:47,934 --> 00:10:50,920 You just made the very comprehensive summary of what is there. 79 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,610 We of course encourage everybody to go and look in this document. 80 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:55,940 Tanya, you have something to add. 81 00:10:57,180 --> 00:11:08,239 Tanya: Yeah, just an anecdote as we are working on a thinking and action kit, based on the research we did on education and training and career pathways for youth workers. 82 00:11:08,239 --> 00:11:13,789 So we are trying to bring it closer to practitioners, to engage with the results of that research. 83 00:11:14,509 --> 00:11:15,619 And one of the... 84 00:11:15,649 --> 00:11:20,464 we asked some people to read the publication, the handbook. 85 00:11:20,854 --> 00:11:25,103 And one of the questions that came back was what do you mean by" in your context"? 86 00:11:25,883 --> 00:11:37,420 This is the first thing that people, I think, try to maybe forget when they orient themselves to reading European documents or international documents or even training material. 87 00:11:38,020 --> 00:11:45,460 But you cannot disconnect context from whatever action you want to take. 88 00:11:45,730 --> 00:11:55,277 So it was interesting that you Ilona talked about this context and the link and and making the right link between the goals and the context. 89 00:11:55,727 --> 00:12:10,512 And it's exactly what a practitioner asked us to explain even more what we mean by "in your context", because it can be in your organization's context, in your small community context or in your country policy context. 90 00:12:10,512 --> 00:12:16,872 So it can be at so many levels and we will be probably talking a lot about this in the future. 91 00:12:18,071 --> 00:12:21,970 Babis: I would like to add also something characterized the year 2020. 92 00:12:21,970 --> 00:12:23,500 And of course it's the pandemic. 93 00:12:23,950 --> 00:12:47,942 So at the period of the pandemic and because of the lockdowns and because of the hard situation of the youth civil society organizations around, we mentioned, and this is also something that's coming out also from our results and from our researchers and the statistics that we are receiving, we underline the importance of the youth work in the period of the pandemic. 94 00:12:49,352 --> 00:12:56,230 And we underline the importance of the youth work, especially in the small community, in the local level. 95 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:16,925 So this is something that we need to have in our mind, and to focus in the next period that when the difficult things are coming there is a need of youth working, active youth working, quality youth working in a local level where the young people are living, where are the young people have the needs. 96 00:13:17,285 --> 00:13:28,941 And when they, at the same time, the specific social categories of young people that, let's say suffer more from all these amazing things, need extra support. 97 00:13:29,361 --> 00:13:41,077 And that was also a starting point for us, for the European Commission to, to think twice about what we're going to do with the EU programs on youth, European Solidarity Corps, Erasmus+. 98 00:13:41,176 --> 00:13:43,966 We took the decision to keep the programs alive. 99 00:13:44,826 --> 00:13:52,000 And to leave the space for the civil society actors to apply and to implement in a digital format, unfortunately. 100 00:13:52,420 --> 00:13:54,430 But again, the result is the same. 101 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,850 There is a need to focus more on quality youth work. 102 00:13:57,870 --> 00:14:01,913 There is a need to invest more on a youth working in local and national level. 103 00:14:01,913 --> 00:14:07,993 And this is why the agenda is a very important document that will help us a lot in the next steps. 104 00:14:07,993 --> 00:14:17,415 And I believe that now we are ready to open this files, in co-operation of course with the partnership and our stakeholders in the youth community. 105 00:14:18,154 --> 00:14:20,324 Ilona: I'm not glad of the crisis. 106 00:14:20,854 --> 00:14:36,654 Let's admit that this crisis has maybe done a favour, if you wish to say it this way for the youth work and especially the acknowledgement and recognition of youth work, which is one of the goals, and then in all these documents. 107 00:14:37,594 --> 00:14:51,883 Now, when we are in a deep crisis, and young people have not been able to access education or the training or the employment, so well, and they have maybe been more at homes and we don't know what they have and so on. 108 00:14:51,883 --> 00:14:52,603 And so on. 109 00:14:52,843 --> 00:15:12,680 Then the importance of the youth work practice has really become more important (inaudible), we definitely need to kind of, maybe again, it's not nice to say, but take advantage of the crisis and communicate the thing, what youth work does for young people more clearly right now. 110 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:20,813 And this is the communication of youth work is also one of the themes in this document and, the crisis has helped us. 111 00:15:21,103 --> 00:15:44,620 And as you mentioned, the innovation and the digital spaces and the digital methods used in the youth work definitely this has increased at the same time, working myself, in Estonian Association of Youth Workers we have held quite many webinars and seminars for youth workers to improve skills to work with digital, spaces and different, technologies. 112 00:15:44,677 --> 00:15:49,327 I think this needs some more attention in the future as well the innovation. 113 00:15:49,597 --> 00:16:01,632 I mean, what came out from the documents was that youth work and (inaudible), this is the plus and the minus of the youth work because youth work is flexible and it should be flexible. 114 00:16:01,632 --> 00:16:10,332 And it is stressed in the documents that we need to react to the circumstances and see what's going on with young people in these circumstances. 115 00:16:10,782 --> 00:16:27,762 But at the same time, I think Howard Williamson has also said that this makes us vulnerable because if we are changing so flexibly and we're changing the practices and approaches so flexibibly, we at all times need to explain it to the public community as well. 116 00:16:28,092 --> 00:16:29,802 And do we have enough time for that? 117 00:16:29,862 --> 00:16:31,902 Do we have enough resources for that? 118 00:16:32,232 --> 00:16:41,307 And do we have well-equipped youth workers who are able to argument and explain that practice or the umbrella organizations could do this. 119 00:16:41,577 --> 00:16:52,737 So these are real life questions and they're actually embeded in these documents as well, but maybe not into detail we are discussing right now. 120 00:16:52,737 --> 00:16:56,107 So this is something we need to do in the future more and more, I think. 121 00:16:57,947 --> 00:16:58,637 Dariusz: Thank you for this. 122 00:16:58,637 --> 00:17:14,296 Yes, we also talked a bit in our podcast about how youth work actually adapted in the times of COVID, giving different examples, about how it reacted and about the innovative methods it used. 123 00:17:14,316 --> 00:17:20,876 And I think, this is, as you said Ilona, the power of youth work that is very quickly adaptable and innovative. 124 00:17:20,906 --> 00:17:31,216 And at the same time, we are a bit vulnerable or we may face this wall of misunderstanding, of not being understood. 125 00:17:31,216 --> 00:17:36,897 And I think that sometimes yes, we need to explain why we do it, how we adapt, and so on. 126 00:17:36,897 --> 00:17:49,317 I think that the topics that you mentioned are also maybe not in details explained in the different documents, but I think that the declaration of the Third European Youth Work Convention actually confirms all of the things that we were saying. 127 00:17:49,807 --> 00:17:56,528 And also confirming this adaptability, and also sometimes shifting the focus, which is important. 128 00:17:56,575 --> 00:18:05,200 I mean thematic focus that is also a direct response from what's happening in the world, for example, the focus on mental health of young people. 129 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,540 We mentioned here, the European youth work agenda. 130 00:18:08,110 --> 00:18:11,848 We also talked about it a little bit before in our podcast. 131 00:18:11,848 --> 00:18:29,134 In the end of the document, there is a couple of recommendations, I would say, quite a big couple of recommendation, which are meant to kind of give directions, suggestions for the institution, especially for the youth partnership on how to go forward. 132 00:18:29,164 --> 00:18:53,714 And if we can say a few words about how this document actually helps the institutions the partnership, and also the member states, of course, of the Council of Europe and the European Union to engage with the implementation of the European youth work agenda, because there's always this question coming, how we get involved, what our role is when it comes to the implementation of the European youth work agenda. 133 00:18:54,973 --> 00:19:00,298 Babis: Yes, really interesting question because we are happy, as Tanya says, because the document is fine. 134 00:19:00,298 --> 00:19:01,108 It's beautiful. 135 00:19:01,108 --> 00:19:11,373 And it's a work that we expected for a lot of years, talking about the youth civil society organizations and the youth movements and all the things. 136 00:19:11,373 --> 00:19:21,230 So it was a clear signal that the two international organizations, European Union and the Council of Europe are understanding the framework. 137 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:31,333 So yes, we have the recommendations part at the very end and says what the two organizations can do what the member states can do. 138 00:19:32,023 --> 00:19:35,436 And, I have the feeling that this is the difficult part. 139 00:19:35,556 --> 00:19:47,270 So from the side of the European Union, I can say that the European Commission is trying to push this agenda in every meeting with the governments. 140 00:19:47,570 --> 00:19:52,880 There are governments that they are happy and they already accept the agenda. 141 00:19:52,940 --> 00:19:55,920 And even I can say that they are pushing forward the agenda. 142 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,885 So, they are asking where we are and what we're doing. 143 00:19:59,955 --> 00:20:03,524 So last December, we had a paper, what are the developments? 144 00:20:03,574 --> 00:20:18,874 There are countries who believe that it's too early and we need to study more the national conditions of youth work, and the youth policy building, especially in this, we call it the recovery period. 145 00:20:18,884 --> 00:20:30,699 So the period after the pandemic and, yes, there are also some countries who I believe that they still don't have the agenda and the youth work as a clear priority. 146 00:20:30,699 --> 00:20:34,341 Maybe it's not clear for them, how they are going to move on. 147 00:20:34,851 --> 00:20:51,984 So from our side, we are developing some tools and we're working a lot, especially this period because it's also the preparation phase for the European year of youth that connect also the agenda as a priority. 148 00:20:52,044 --> 00:21:11,954 And, I believe that also tomorrow it's, the youth working party again and we are going to explain to the member states that there is a need to invest more, and there is an opportunity now to have a more clear agenda on youth policy and the European youth work agenda is a crucial tool for that. 149 00:21:12,434 --> 00:21:15,454 So we understand that there are countries who are. 150 00:21:15,454 --> 00:21:19,784 interested to develop and for sure we will start from them. 151 00:21:19,847 --> 00:21:25,970 There are proposals coming in Brussels, talking about how to involve young people after the pandemic period. 152 00:21:26,060 --> 00:21:29,053 How to we involve more young people? 153 00:21:29,053 --> 00:21:40,523 And, there is, let's say, a slogan that we are using the last one month that European Commission activities on youth must include all young people. 154 00:21:40,583 --> 00:21:46,742 And this is a clear signal that we need to extend the framework of the implementation of youth policy. 155 00:21:47,192 --> 00:21:58,050 And this is again, why there is a need of involvement of for youth workers and youth work based on all levels, local, regional, national, and European. 156 00:21:58,260 --> 00:22:19,658 So practically we're going to have more details in the next period on that, but for sure, we, as a practical, result, we are in the very last phase for the starting of the subgroup on youth work, which is one of the, one of the tools that will help us to develop the new portal, the new digital tools for youth workers. 157 00:22:19,658 --> 00:22:25,173 And it's one of the, of our obligations as European Commission, based on the, on the agenda. 158 00:22:25,173 --> 00:22:31,768 So we closed all the bureaucracy exercises and the calls and everything. 159 00:22:32,098 --> 00:22:37,285 And we're going to have the kickoff meeting of the group of experts and member states. 160 00:22:37,321 --> 00:22:59,566 Also we are going to push a lot of the youth work agenda, in, as I said in the youth year, the coming youth year and the third, it will be a high level priority of the coming conference of the future of Europe, which will take place in Strasbourg in May, having thousands of youngsters from all over the country, one third of the participants so will be young people. 161 00:22:59,566 --> 00:23:02,386 So we would be really interested to involve them. 162 00:23:02,566 --> 00:23:09,320 And of course, youth work is again the tool for making the exercise available for all of us. 163 00:23:10,047 --> 00:23:10,657 Dariusz: Thank you. 164 00:23:10,712 --> 00:23:17,717 Tanya, the recommendations in the document that Ilona co-wrote are very much directed towards youth partnership. 165 00:23:17,776 --> 00:23:24,704 If you can say about how this can help you also in being involved in the implementation of the agenda, but also, what plans you have. 166 00:23:24,754 --> 00:23:29,324 Babis said a few words about what are the plans of European Commission for the very near future? 167 00:23:29,324 --> 00:23:31,164 So what about the youth partnership? 168 00:23:32,775 --> 00:23:48,995 Tanya: So one of the reasons that the authors made some specific recommendations on how, what role the partnership could play in the future is because we ask them to do this work in preparation of a consultative process for our future work plan. 169 00:23:49,295 --> 00:24:03,701 So, of course, we wanted to understand what the demands are and to figure out what could be the best role that the partnership could play to support these processes like Babis mentioned in the European Union. 170 00:24:04,301 --> 00:24:33,250 Next year, for example is already five years since the Council of Europe recommendation on youth work was adopted and I would say that large scale projects that were funded by Erasmus programs, such as Europe goes local, then all the initiatives on the Council of Europe side with more discussion on more mainstreaming of youth work across all their work across for example, quality label network support to member states. 171 00:24:33,460 --> 00:24:38,860 So youth work has been dynamically growing in interest and importance. 172 00:24:39,310 --> 00:24:42,640 And at the same time, you need to sustain this work. 173 00:24:42,850 --> 00:25:11,819 So, for the partnership, at least for example, when Ilona was mentioning innovation, digital innovation, there was a lot of innovation in youth work, even in outreach youth work, in detached youth work in going in, we talked, I think also on the podcast, examples of youth work supporting young people in the Highlands in Scotland or in rural Romania, we had an really interesting webinar as part of the MOOCs on youth work essential. 174 00:25:11,819 --> 00:25:30,815 So, the idea is to share these diversities, so people can take something for themselves across the continent, but there are some big proposals as well that the Council of Europe and the European Commission are discussing in terms of the partnership role. 175 00:25:32,045 --> 00:25:38,458 And one of them is to develop a better dialogue with the community of practice. 176 00:25:38,488 --> 00:25:47,892 So this is something we will be working towards 2023 with the idea of having something between the conventions. 177 00:25:48,432 --> 00:25:56,542 Let's recall that the conventions are big generators of thinking, of direction, of drive on youth work policy. 178 00:25:56,542 --> 00:26:06,462 And so, if in 2023 we organize such a big meeting of the community of practice that will be a moment to take stock of where we are. 179 00:26:06,972 --> 00:26:14,502 It will also be after the year of youth in the EU, it will be after the evaluation of the Council of Europe Recommendation. 180 00:26:14,862 --> 00:26:21,310 It will be hopefully after we have launched already self-paced learning as part of the MOOCs. 181 00:26:21,730 --> 00:26:36,570 And so there's a lot to look at and to assess and to see how else we can adjust and how we can reach out better and more with opportunities for youth workers and for young people as well. 182 00:26:37,746 --> 00:26:48,167 Babis: And, and of course, don't forget to say that because now we are preparing the work program of the partnership for the year 2022 and 2023. 183 00:26:48,167 --> 00:26:52,206 It shall be as that, the youth work is one of the pillars of this two years plan. 184 00:26:52,206 --> 00:27:03,113 And we are really happy because together with the colleagues from the partnership, we are trying to explore youth work as it will be in the future. 185 00:27:03,143 --> 00:27:17,771 Not mainstreaming youth work not how we are understanding youth work based on today's conditions, but the youth work as young people ask based also on the researches and statistics and whatever we are collecting from the programmes. 186 00:27:19,518 --> 00:27:20,238 Dariusz: Thank you. 187 00:27:20,316 --> 00:27:23,286 So there is a lot of things to expect to happen. 188 00:27:23,335 --> 00:27:30,055 Probably some of them, we may even cover in our next podcast because there's a lot of very big things coming, including. 189 00:27:30,075 --> 00:27:36,620 the European year of youth, which I think will be full of different activities and processes going on together. 190 00:27:36,890 --> 00:27:38,010 Thank you, Ilona. 191 00:27:38,060 --> 00:27:49,345 Thank you Babis and thank you, Tanya, for being with us today and, yes, you will find the link to the analysis that we were talking today about in the notes to this episode. 192 00:27:49,415 --> 00:27:51,335 So thanks a lot and bye-bye.