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Coming to you from crash studios
in Music City, USA, Nashville.

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This is the rich Redman show.

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What's up, folks? Yep, it's time
it's time for another exciting

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episode of the rich Redman show
where we talk about all things

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music, motivation, success.
These are the things that we

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love it, they drive us, they
inspire us. It's why we get out

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of bed in the morning, and I get
to talk to a drum hero. I'm

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talking to childhood drum hero.
This is such a special day,

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hailing originally from
Vancouver, Canada. And since

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1979, has been a founding member
of an award winning we're

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talking selling platinum
records. Our friend, Matt

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Burnett, what's up, man? How are
you, man?

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Hey, man. I'm good. Matching

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of Loverboy with us right now,
man, where are you right now,

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buddy?

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I'm in Raleigh, North Carolina.

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You learned how to pronounce
Raleigh recant, say rally?

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Not rally.

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Yeah, man. So I we were just
talking off camera. And we were

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smart enough not to waste some
of this good juice that happens

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when we're just getting to know
each other. But I saw you at the

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El Paso Coliseum. The year was
1985. And it was a headlining

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tour and the Hooters were
opening up for you. And of

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course, we've had our Meet I had
my our mutual friend David was

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sick. And then of the Hooters on
the show. I think they're

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celebrating 40 plus years as a
band together. And I think it's

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a similar story for you guys in
Loverboy. Do you remember that

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show?

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I really do. And I remember that
tour really vividly. And I had

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this vintage drum collector out
in Connecticut. And I laid a

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drum on David at the end of the
tour. One of my old it was like

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an old Slayer land or something
from way back, like the 50s or

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late 40s. It was just a gift.
You know, because we all really

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bonded really well. And we did
amazing business. And yeah, that

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would have been a loving every
minute of it tour.

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It could have been in 84. But
maybe it was 85 You're saying

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85?

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Seems like you're saying 85

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I think I think it probably was
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in high school. And I was really
into both the bands and then and

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it's a memorable show because I
think you put your right foot

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through the bass drum head.

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Oh, my God,

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and your tech came out that
night was trying to make things.

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Yeah, and

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you would have only noticed that
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felt beater came off the top of
the whatever, whatever pedals I

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was using at the time and it was
it was it double bass, just

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single bass on the big maple
kit.

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I think you just had that single
kit, man. Yeah.

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So I might have been playing a
hard to say back when it was a

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double kick. It was two Ludwigs
and then the the felt beater

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that a little nut on the top
would come off. And then you

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know the shaft would go right
through the head and slice it

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like a knife. Yeah, you'd have
to like rather than tear it

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stopping and everything we'd
have to stop for like a small

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break. And Reno would tell some
jokes and stuff. And then we'd

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have to put like a gaffer tape
patch on Yeah,

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that's what I that's what I
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joke. alDin like back in the
day, you know, 20 years ago. I

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mean, and we're using the flam
slams and stuff on the kick

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because you know, I bury the
beater I think you would

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probably I assume you would bury
the beater or do you pull off

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the head? Yeah, yeah, you pull
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I play on my on my pads and my
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So yeah, so heel up, boom, going
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you're just playing with fire
and as a boy scout in a slightly

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not like Howie Mandel level but
a slightly OCD person I have

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that immediately sent myself. Oh
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to you at some point, you got to
be ready, you got to have an

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extra head. You got to have gaff
tape, you got to have, you know

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what I mean? And that makes us
like a boy scout. In the sense

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that even if we have a drum
tech, we got to have that second

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snare drum or we got to have,
right yeah, yeah.

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Yeah. And what we used to do is
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we had a like a cut like a
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or a circle from a snare head or
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and that would go over the over
the break and then gaffer tape

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that and that will last the
whole show. Hopefully pretty

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much the rest of the set. Yeah,
yeah.

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So have you had had a one drum
tech your entire career or it's

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been multiple texts. Yeah. I
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warming up, we toured Canada and
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out in 1980. Yeah, we recorded
early part of the year like

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February. And then we started
touring and our first tour as

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support was cheap trick in in
Western Canada, back in 80. But

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and then Turn Me Loose hit
really big on the FM waves,

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especially back east, like
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And and was hearing it and, you
know, Toronto was playing it on

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Montreal was ShowMe FM, CH o FM.
And people were calling their

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local radio stations across the
in Northern New York State and

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calling their record radio
stations and the program

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director was going while we
don't have this Loverboy you

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know, and they're going, Oh, you
gotta play termI loose. It's

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this cool song. So that's kind
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Yeah. And so, the program
directors in Detroit that we're

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hearing from Toronto, and
Missoula, Montana, south of

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Calgary and Minneapolis, south
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Washington, like Bellingham, and
stuff like that. We're hearing

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it from Vancouver. You know,
just all the Canadian because

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all the main Canadian cities are
along the border. Del Rey track

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that they developed Canada on
from east to west. Yeah. So. So,

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the program directors called CBS
Records did did their homework,

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and CBS in New York called
management, Bruce Allen in

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Vancouver. And so, so that all
of a sudden, we were like, going

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to America going to New York at
this build tower in in

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Manhattan. You know,

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it was like, the big city. Yeah,
a

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city like way bigger more people
in New York City than all of

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Canada, you know, at the time,

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which is crazy, which is crazy.
I you know what, I have never

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had a bad time in Canada. That
it there's the stereotypes for a

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reason, because it's the truth.
I have never had a bad time with

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a Canadian person. Always. Hey,
you want watch the moose? That

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let's get it get me into Labatt.
I mean, it's great. I mean, it's

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in there always so friendly.
Yeah. And and it's something

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tells me you're you're, you're
stereotypical because you got a

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big smile on your face and all
that. But this is a real thrill

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to sit with you because you're
such a musical player and great

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drum parts, a lot of passion, a
lot of fire. And just the right

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part at the right time. Great
showman. And of course, I'm a

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child of MTV, and you guys were
fortunate at the time. JJ

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Jackson, Nina Blackwood, Martha
Quinn, of Alan Hunter, bringing

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music 24/7 into into the living
rooms. And I think we're a lot

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of people were probably like,
this will never work. Right? It

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got really fast. And in 81 that
MTV hit American television in

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August of 81. Yeah, so we
started in 81 supporting cans

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Kansas, then ZZ on Mad mechanic
tour for the summer, and then

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journey after ZZ. And somewhere
in there we went and demo tracks

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for the Get Lucky album. At
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Yeah. And you know, just like 16
trap and a different studio, not

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at little mountain with Bob Rock
and all that stuff. So. And

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anyway. So you asked me about
drum tech. So I had a deal.

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Yeah. In Canada. I'm just
looping back because I just, you

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know, you got a little I have
add to my framing. And so then I

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got I have that same tech at the
beginning of 81. And then I met

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Steve Smith and all the journey
guys. Is drum tech was Lauren

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Wheaton. That's right. from
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Yeah, we're Facebook friends.

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And so he joined with me in 82
when the jet started taking off

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really fast, right. And the Get
Lucky album came out working for

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the weekend hit and really fast.
And so we started headlining in

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America and Canada. I mean, 82.
And we went to Japan in the fall

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for just under a month in 82.

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Wow. You know, so this this when
I think about it, like, the

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first six years of the 80s, were
insane for you guys album after

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album. Oh, seems like it was 80,
maybe 81 or 82. It's like there

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was like an album a year a
cycle, and for the band had been

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formed in 79. So you're, you're
kicking around, you quickly get

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a record deal. Then you're
opening up for folks for maybe a

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year and a half, maybe two
years. MTV helps things along,

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then you're headlining. So
you're a band for about three

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years. And then you're
headlining arenas that

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you have a lot of time to write
materials. That's, I'm sorry to

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cut you off. Oh, yeah. No. And
that was the tough thing is the

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guys are writing, the main
writers are trying to write on

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the road. And in hotel rooms, on
on our on buses going down the

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road. So management put us into
into a jet in AD two, just so we

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would have a little more time
and less time on the bus. Oh,

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yeah. But they were like, PS,
you owe us all this money back

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for renting the jets and all the
fuel and that wine that you've

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been sipping on? Oh, you owe us
for that? I don't know. But

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maybe there's a story there. You

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know, not one I'm going to tell
on the podcast that

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we can gather. But that happens
fast. I mean, that is amazing.

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And then it's got to be an
amazing feeling to say to

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yourself, Wow, I achieved my
childhood dreams. Before my 20s

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were over, I was a rock star.
And I get to travel the highways

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and byways of the world with
some of my best friends. And we

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impact pop culture for all time.
So that's got to be an amazing

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feeling.

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You hit the nail on the head
Rich Dad. Yeah, we were all

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really close friends. And, you
know, we still have four out of

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five original members. And only
because we lost Scott, who was

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lost at sea in 2000 and
November, sailing down the West

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Coast, and he was swept
overboard and never, never

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discovered never, never
recovered. I am so sorry. That

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is so sad. Yeah. And otherwise,
we'd probably be one of the very

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only bands all running on full
cylinders. Years later, exactly

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of that era. You know,

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it is pretty rare. You know,
when talking to talking to David

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from the Hooters he's like, Hey,
man, we're on like you're 41 or

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40. You know, like, I said to
myself, Oh my God, I've been

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playing with the guys in my band
for 25 years, man. And then it

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happens so fast, and you finish
each other sentences. And in the

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early days, you go through
different periods and chapters,

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like in the early days, we were
full of piss and vinegar, and we

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had something to prove. And we
were like a motorcycle gang, big

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wallet chains coming into your
town. You know, it was like the

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Bob Seger song, you know. And,
and, and then you know, those

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hits start to happen. And you're
like, oh, let's do the Kraftwerk

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thing and do like ties red ties
with black shirts. And the next

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thing you know, you're wearing
the, the blazer with the rock T

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and then everyone starts to buy
houses and have families. You go

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through these chapters, but
you're still together. It's

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amazing.

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Yeah, you know, everybody's been
pulling in the same direction

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for decades and decades. You
know, and God bless Mike and

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Paul, and Doug for writing all
this incredible material that

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people still want to hear. We're
very, very, very blessed. And we

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think we count our blessings.
Every year we go out and we have

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another big huge year plan this
year. I mean, we had two years

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of down during COVID Because the
borders were closed from Canada

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to the US. And Mike and Paul and
Doug are still in Vancouver. And

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we in March of 2020, we did
three shows in January. And that

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was it. And then we had this
cruise this 80s Cruise theme

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would have been our second
cruise planned for the first

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week of March out of Fort
Lauderdale or Miami or something

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like that. A whole bunch of
different bands and, you know,

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80s groups and the first one we
went on, you mentioned MTV DJs

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and the first one we went on in
2018 or nine 18 was all the MTV

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V J's, the remaining DJs. Yeah,
it was amazing. Seeing them all

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again and reminiscing and the
whole boat was like, outfitted

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like 80s and Pac Man and
Marielle brothers and all that.

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Intellivision Rubik's Cubes.
ALFS. Yeah, yep, it was just

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really themed. And that was
great. And so what happened in

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2020, is we were going to go out
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we all had a conference call
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with with the management and
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plug. And Bret Michaels was the
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in 2020. And he pulled just
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still went out, you know, did
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and they just put some other
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and went with a 70s theme and
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that boat, and they were they
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Oh, my God, then the dysentery
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was gonna ask you what? And
scurvy. What I was I always like

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to say like, if I haven't seen
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be like, how was your COVID? You
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icebreaker. Like, you know, how
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did you get did you get to
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Did you? Did you bake sourdough?
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down considerably. And so I did
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at the old drum shop here called
2112. Yeah, and then a clinic

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there. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And
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was was Todd. Nice. He did one
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see him obviously, from the tour
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other really well in 2022 with
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months. And that was incredible.
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and drummer he is. Oh my gosh.
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in there. And of course, I snuck
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Come on. Maddie. Just just some
of the back door. Yeah, exactly.

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made room for everybody to get
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strange. There you go. You're
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saw the screen freeze a little
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internet connection is unstable.
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you know, we are drummers of
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a splash. Somebody get the
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the thing as COVID It was like
you said you walked a lot. I

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yeah, I got to practice at the
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their stock room. And I bought
my touring kit out from 2017, my

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Yamaha kit hybrids and set that
the whole kit up like the double

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bass drum and my touring kit,
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picked it up with a buddy and
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like two days. And our backline
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Indiana. So we went out there
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practice during because I'm in
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real drums here. And they let me
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That's super cool. So

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I would just put like live sets
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the whole 90 minutes show. Keep
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And just go for it. You know,
and it's just have like a show

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every day. You know, or when I
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times a week. And there was all
this talk about management

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saying we might go out in
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blah, you know, 2021 and it
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out and Everybody got sick and
kiss one out, everybody got sick

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and Tesla went out and everybody
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all of this. And so Paul and
Mike and Doug, they've got

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really nervous because they're
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Vancouver, you know, hunkering
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having little chats amongst
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they go, yeah, we're not going
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everybody's getting sick out
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it. Plus, the borders are still
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to test going out and test
coming back and, you know, all

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this stuff and has to be done 24
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such a rigmarole, you know, so
we just ended up sitting for

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pretty much two years, until
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started doing our own shows in
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was in Pennsylvania, at a
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don't know, burgettstown or
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know, we went a day and two days
before the show, to rehearse,

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you know, and even though I had
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playing the gig as you know,
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It's just the adrenaline's
going, and especially at a like

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an Loverboy set, you know, it's
just, you know, you can practice

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all you want, and especially of
the faster tunes, it's your life

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and Lady of the 80s and weekend
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Yeah, you know, you got to drop
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know, and just, it doesn't take
the place of plan. Live. You're

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right. You're in my

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You did the right thing, because
I always tell my students, I

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say, you don't have to get ready
if you stay ready. So you are

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walking, you are keeping your
positive mental attitude. You

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are running the set, you had the
sticks in your hands. So when

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the call came, guys, the world
needs entertainment, we're going

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back out, you are ready, and you
are ready to do it. And you

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probably just were just I mean,
I remember when I will go saw my

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band. I was like this. And we
went, we went a year early, you

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know, I mean, because Nashville,
Tennessee did not really shut

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down as much as the other parts
of the country is like very

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business as usual here. So we
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And then by 2022 still felt a
little bit weird, but weird.

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Business was open, we were doing
our thing. But man, when you

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your sense of identity, or a
large portion of it is wrapped

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around seeing your brothers and
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every day. And you don't do it.
Doo doo doo doo mess with your

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head a little bit.

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Yeah, I had a lot of dark days.
Just talking on the phone with

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with buddies. Especially my my
good buddy, Jeff West aver up in

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Boston, who was with Zildjian
for 30 plus years. And we would

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have these think tanks on the
phone and he check in with me

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like every week, and he just go
How you doing? And I'm going I'm

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having kind of a blue week, you
know, just like exactly what you

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said, you know, like the
camaraderie of the team and the

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crew and making music together.
I mean, this is just it's in my

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DNA. Yes. I've never even been a
paperboy. I've been drumming.

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Pretty much my whole life. I
started on bongos at five years

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old

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and play the country songs,
right. And then I read that

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somewhere where there's country
music. I did.

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Yeah. And I started. My parents
rented me a snare drum when I

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was in like, oh, I don't know,
grade five. And we rented it for

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a year. And then in my grade
seven year, my dad was a floor

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layer. And he he was going to
work this job and do this

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flooring and he took all his
supplies and linoleum and his

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cement and all his blowtorch and
his trawls down to the basement.

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And he saw this sheet hanging
over what he imagined was a kid

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of drums. Yeah. And so we pulled
the sheet back. And there was

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this single set of white marine
Pearl drum set. And so dad went

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and talked to the guy who was
there upstairs and guess he was

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a retired jazz drummer, and a
big band drummer in Vancouver.

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Wow. And he ended up cutting a
deal for the drums where he just

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did the bathroom for the set of
drums and did all the tile and

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the linoleum and everything in
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That's a great story. So your
dad right away was like this kid

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has got it and he wants to do
it. I'm gonna make it happen.

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And so he brought the old guy
and I got a grade seven and came

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home one day from school walked
across the park and the drums

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were set up in the living room.
With the old guy and my parents,

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and my kids, sister, and it was
in South Vancouver, I don't know

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what year that would have been.
grade seven. graduated in 72. So

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go back, what nine years?

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72. So it'd be like 6463.

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So that was a couple years
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the Beatles. Exactly. And so it
had Xin cymbals, silver cymbals,

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and they were white marine
oyster. And they were probably

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like really rare. And they
weren't pearl. They weren't Tama

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they weren't anything like that
or slinger lands. They weren't

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like a big or W FL. They weren't
anything like that. They were

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just this cool drum set. And dad
built me a soundproof room down

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in the, in the lower basement,
in my bedroom, so I could play

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and drum my heart's content.

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What a cool dad man a REIT
reminds me of my dad. My dad was

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I think, secretly wanted to be a
drummer. And so he was like, you

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know, he'd crank up the radio
and we listened to like Jimi

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Hendrix or something, and he and
Mitch Mitchell be playing and

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he'd be like, can you do this?
And I was like, Well, I hear a

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lot of para Digital's is I'm
sure I could do it. And he and

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but he loved the big band
drummers Gene Krupa. And so,

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yeah, he's so proud. I'm sure
your dad was very, very proud.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And both my parents Yeah, it was
a lot of support. And so when I

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did marching, starting in grade
eight, through grade 10. They

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were involved and it was through
the community center not through

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the high school. And Killarney
Park was in South Vancouver, and

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we live right on Killarney Park.
So, I joined the Killarney Jr.

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band through the community
center, and my parents were both

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involved. And would we are
marching in concert. So I

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learned to read my first sheet
music and all that stuff back

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then.

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I was just gonna ask you if you
read music, I said something

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tells me this guy reads music
the way he approaches things.

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And the stick control that you
have.

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Well, I did back then. Yeah,
that's very kind risk. But I

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learned a lot from those
marching days of stick control

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and, and the parallels and the
double stroke rolls and the

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rolls, press rolls. And we had
this it was British band based.

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It was really, you know, Colonel
bogey on parade, Philip Sousa

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and all that stuff. I

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love me some Susa, man, come on.
Oh, yeah, you know, the horns

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and

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Sousa phones and the two bows
and the trombones and the

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clarinets and the, you know, all
the woodwinds and the trumpets,

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and all of that stuff. And then
for snare drums in a big bass

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drummer, and then a guy play in
cymbals, you know,

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exactly. Amazing. And that's
the, that's the beautiful thing

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about the drum set is that one
guy does it all, you know,

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he walked by with his little
nylon baton under his arm, like

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all British and everything, and
you'd be doing practice

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practicing outside in the rain
rolling on these old Ludwig

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snare drums that just played
terribly at the time anyway, and

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especially in the rain, you
know, and you're trying to roll

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do a press roll, and then he
would go straight across the

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wrists. And it would be just
like, capital punishment, you

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know, like, yeah, oh, my God,
you know, he says, kick, kick.

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Cool. Gonna do a final press
roll. And I'm trying to turn it

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in in the rain. It's

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always it was at a those were
calfskin heads back then. Yeah,

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yeah. Wow.

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Yeah, only a snare on the
bottom. So, you know, it almost

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sounded like a deep Tom, with
with a little bit of girdle

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snare on the bottom, you know,
they were,

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I can, I can picture that sound.
So fast forward a generation or

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two, and I'm a merchant, I was a
marching band guy four years in

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high school, four years in
college. And we had those

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gigantic super deep white
Slingerland drums with Ludwig

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rocker heads Dennis to Lucius
sticks, and then a strap not a

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harness. So all of our you know,
we all walk to the side because

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of the strap, you know, on our
and you're out here. Route

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and then a leg brace that was
attached to the drum at the

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bottom. Yeah, it was metal and
it folded up and you could brace

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cross your thigh just to keep it
kind of settled from swinging

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back and like you said, like,
all out to kill. Everybody was

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supposed to be square and
everything. But

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it's all paid off great man
because you have the stick

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control. And then when you have
when you have a musical mind and

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you can read it's just to me,
it's just the secret to the

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universe. It's like the whole
background at the whole backbone

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of my teaching philosophy. Yeah,
gotta read, you know. So when so

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00:30:04,410 --> 00:30:09,270
then you keep developing as a
musician. How did Loverboy come

432
00:30:09,270 --> 00:30:12,270
together? Because I'm looking
here on the wiki, and you were

433
00:30:12,270 --> 00:30:15,900
in a band called street heart.
Now isn't street heart if I'm

434
00:30:15,900 --> 00:30:21,960
not mistaken? Isn't that a, a
seminal Canadian rite of passage

435
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:22,560
band?

436
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:28,680
Yes. And Paul Dean was in that
band in the original band. The

437
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:33,180
bass player who came in after
Scott passed, is was in that

438
00:30:33,180 --> 00:30:38,310
band and is still a founding
member. And out of Winnipeg,

439
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:41,340
Manitoba, the band was
originally founded in Regina,

440
00:30:41,340 --> 00:30:42,240
Saskatchewan.

441
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:45,870
I always like saying, Regina,
that's great. Yeah.

442
00:30:46,530 --> 00:30:52,440
So Paul was in a band before St.
Hart with me. He joined a group

443
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,760
that I joined out of high
school, like my dad basically

444
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,810
pushed me out the door. That's a
whole other story. I don't know

445
00:31:00,810 --> 00:31:03,060
how much time we have. We got
all the time in the world, man.

446
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:10,380
Okay, so I'll try and stay on
track here. So the great

447
00:31:10,380 --> 00:31:15,600
Canadian River Race was a band
that I joined out of high school

448
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,390
and it was a band that had
already been together from

449
00:31:18,390 --> 00:31:23,430
Penticton, British Columbia, in
the Okanagan in central BC.

450
00:31:24,030 --> 00:31:29,550
Really beautiful out there and
all that and kind of resort

451
00:31:29,550 --> 00:31:34,890
summer waterski waterskiing, and
fishing and camping and swimming

452
00:31:34,890 --> 00:31:39,750
and great stuff, and lots of
orchards and everything out

453
00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:44,040
there. And now it's all a lot of
wineries and, and all of that

454
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:48,510
kind of stuff. So that ban was
from there. But they were

455
00:31:48,510 --> 00:31:56,250
playing in Vancouver, in 1972.
And I had just graduated from

456
00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:01,560
high school grade 12. And I'd
only been out of school for a

457
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:10,560
couple of weeks. And then my dad
got a call from a Florida layin

458
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:18,690
buddy. And this friend of my dad
says, Hey, Gil, is your kids

459
00:32:18,690 --> 00:32:21,990
still playing the drums? And of
course, my old man Nolan Gill,

460
00:32:22,020 --> 00:32:27,180
you goes, yeah, he's going to be
the next buddy. Rich. Yes. Nice.

461
00:32:27,660 --> 00:32:36,120
Like, stop dad. So he goes, why?
And he says, Well, I'm down here

462
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,600
laying floors and doing new tile
in the bathrooms at this club,

463
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:44,070
called Pharaohs retreat down and
gas down in Vancouver, and

464
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,390
during the day, and they seem to
be auditioning drummers down

465
00:32:48,390 --> 00:32:56,130
here. And so my dad got a hold
of somebody from the club and

466
00:32:56,130 --> 00:33:04,080
spoke to this person who ended
up being Bruce Allen. Yeah, we

467
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:10,680
ended up CO managing the band.
Yeah. Fast forwarding. So

468
00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:18,150
there's this synchronicity going
on. So dad sets up a listening

469
00:33:18,150 --> 00:33:22,650
session. But in bit British
Columbia, it's 21 in in the

470
00:33:22,650 --> 00:33:27,810
clubs to drink alcohol. So I'm
only 18. So I can't legally be

471
00:33:27,810 --> 00:33:31,350
in the club to listen to the
band to see if it's something

472
00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:35,790
that I would be able to join.
Yeah. So we stood in the fire

473
00:33:35,790 --> 00:33:39,450
escape, came down from the
street down the set of stairs

474
00:33:39,450 --> 00:33:43,980
and they held the fire door open
a little bit so I could watch

475
00:33:43,980 --> 00:33:47,400
the band while they were
playing. And caught the end of

476
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,760
one set. And then the break was
like 15 minutes. And we just

477
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:57,060
kind of hung out and then heard,
like half of the second set. And

478
00:33:57,060 --> 00:34:02,250
then we left and dad had set up
on the break. He had gone and

479
00:34:02,250 --> 00:34:07,410
talk to the manager of the group
who was with them at the time in

480
00:34:07,410 --> 00:34:15,030
Vancouver. And so he set up an
audition for me on the Saturday

481
00:34:15,060 --> 00:34:19,800
which was the next day. So we
listened to the band. I got to

482
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,790
listen to the band on a Friday
night. And they had been there

483
00:34:23,790 --> 00:34:29,250
for two weeks. So it was at the
end of their stint. And so I

484
00:34:29,250 --> 00:34:34,830
auditioned and I knew most of of
their set, like Doobie Brothers

485
00:34:34,830 --> 00:34:39,840
all the late 70s Carole King
James Taylor, you know, Chicago?

486
00:34:39,900 --> 00:34:46,140
Yeah, you know, all all the hit
parade stuff. And I was drumming

487
00:34:46,140 --> 00:34:49,320
to that in my in my soundproof
bedroom, you know, to record

488
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:54,240
without headphones. Like to
happen to

489
00:34:54,240 --> 00:34:56,280
try to stay with it. Make sure
the record wasn't skipping.

490
00:34:56,610 --> 00:35:04,230
Exactly, you know, so yeah. So
anyway, so they showed me the

491
00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:08,310
setlist and they said pick pick
five songs that you you know

492
00:35:08,310 --> 00:35:12,390
from from our setlist so I
picked on an old James Taylor,

493
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:18,270
Carole King tune tapestry color
my world by Chicago and

494
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,200
something else you're gonna

495
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,270
have to you're gonna have to
remember this for your memoir.

496
00:35:24,570 --> 00:35:25,920
Yeah, exactly.

497
00:35:26,940 --> 00:35:32,550
So I went up and played and the
drummer who was leaving because

498
00:35:32,550 --> 00:35:36,780
he was getting married and his
wife didn't want him to play in

499
00:35:36,780 --> 00:35:39,120
the band anymore. From Edmonton.

500
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,570
That's like a Bryan Adams song
Jenny quit Johnny got married.

501
00:35:42,900 --> 00:35:43,740
Yeah. And

502
00:35:43,740 --> 00:35:50,010
so he he had a set of black
fuzzy fives. Wow.

503
00:35:52,830 --> 00:35:56,130
vibes drums are great. Austin,
Texas, man. That's good. I'm

504
00:35:56,430 --> 00:36:00,090
drinking out of my Keep Austin
weird mug today. So exactly.

505
00:36:00,210 --> 00:36:08,250
So I've never even seen or heard
of fives. And so I finished the

506
00:36:08,250 --> 00:36:12,270
four, four or five songs came
back down. We all had like this

507
00:36:12,270 --> 00:36:16,590
little powwow at one of the
tables there sat management, and

508
00:36:16,590 --> 00:36:24,870
then, you know, the four band
got the three band guys. And I

509
00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:29,580
don't know if I can. It's a
family show, right? Oh, no,

510
00:36:29,580 --> 00:36:32,130
you we can get the X rating. No
problem. Okay,

511
00:36:32,220 --> 00:36:37,320
so the manager opening question
was, have you ever had the clap?

512
00:36:40,170 --> 00:36:47,460
I'm 18. And I just got out of
high school. Wow. What's the

513
00:36:47,460 --> 00:36:53,730
clap? Exactly. Clap. And so they
all have a big laugh. And then

514
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:59,250
and then the keyboard player
interrupts him, because there's

515
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:04,230
like this deadpan air. And I
don't know what to even say from

516
00:37:04,230 --> 00:37:10,410
that. And then he says, Do you
have a set of drums? And I said,

517
00:37:10,500 --> 00:37:16,020
Yeah, what color are they? And I
said pink champagne. Ludwig,

518
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:21,030
pink champagne sparkled Ludwig's
that I my dad co signed the loan

519
00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:27,600
for and 69. We traded that first
drum kit, the white, no names,

520
00:37:27,630 --> 00:37:34,260
whatever they were on the
Ludwigs and that cosign the loan

521
00:37:34,260 --> 00:37:37,920
and all that stuff. So that's
was the drums that I played at

522
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,550
home. And I said, Yeah, and he
said, they're not black. And I

523
00:37:41,550 --> 00:37:45,810
went, No, they're they're pink.
sparkled. Like, Pink Pink. And I

524
00:37:45,810 --> 00:37:49,170
went nah, they're kind of gold
pink, pinkish gold. That

525
00:37:49,170 --> 00:37:53,580
champagne sparkled. Ludwig that.
Mitch Mitchell. And, and, and,

526
00:37:53,610 --> 00:37:59,880
and everybody played. And I
can't remember what Michael

527
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:02,430
Shrieve from Santana when I saw
Woodstock, and

528
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,720
it's 17 years old at that. I
think he was

529
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:11,550
on pink champagne, sparkling
Ludwigs. Nice. And I saw ginger

530
00:38:11,550 --> 00:38:17,520
with blind faith, and something
and I saw the original Hendrix

531
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:22,110
and 67 in Vancouver with Mitch
and he was on pink champagne.

532
00:38:22,140 --> 00:38:26,010
That's why I wanted those drums.
Because they were my biggest

533
00:38:26,010 --> 00:38:32,520
influences. Okay, so anyway. So
these went, Oh, okay. So we're

534
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:38,280
going to talk amongst ourselves.
And then I left. And they came

535
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:43,080
to a decision. And I came back
in 20 minutes, and they said,

536
00:38:43,170 --> 00:38:47,430
You're in a good you got the
gig. Yeah, where do you live?

537
00:38:47,940 --> 00:38:51,930
And I said, well in South
Vancouver, I'll write my address

538
00:38:51,930 --> 00:38:56,430
down for you. And he said, we'll
pick you up tomorrow. Um, and

539
00:38:56,430 --> 00:39:00,720
then we're going to drive to
Penticton which is five hours

540
00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:03,480
through the mountains to get
into the central into the

541
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,250
Okanagan, and you are easily

542
00:39:05,250 --> 00:39:09,270
the youngest man in the band.
Right. You are the young lion. I

543
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:10,200
was the same

544
00:39:10,230 --> 00:39:17,700
age as the guitar player. We
were both born in 54. So he, he

545
00:39:17,700 --> 00:39:21,600
didn't finish grade 12 But the
other the bass player who was

546
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,840
his brother, the guitar players,
brother, so there was brothers

547
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,530
on guitar and bass. And then the
keyboard player was was the

548
00:39:28,530 --> 00:39:35,190
oldest. And Marcus was oldest
can't remember the bass player.

549
00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:40,650
They were a couple of years
older than me and Selwyn guitar

550
00:39:40,650 --> 00:39:48,120
player. So, ironically, they had
a gig the following weekend. So

551
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:52,170
not only was I trying to learn
four or 545 minutes sets of

552
00:39:52,170 --> 00:39:59,130
material. They wanted audition,
a lead singer because the lead

553
00:39:59,130 --> 00:40:04,230
singer had walked out the week
before about something they

554
00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:06,450
weren't stroking his ego enough
and he's like this is an

555
00:40:06,450 --> 00:40:07,680
unacceptable

556
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,340
yeah wasn't it was a whole other
story.

557
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:15,060
I don't know these guys want me
to load in gear I'm out of here.

558
00:40:15,180 --> 00:40:16,080
Yeah, something to

559
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:20,340
do with the setlist and he drew
the line in the sand and they

560
00:40:20,340 --> 00:40:24,210
wanted to play a certain song
for Bruce Allen, who was like

561
00:40:24,210 --> 00:40:28,290
the bouncer and co owner of the
club and all that stuff with his

562
00:40:28,290 --> 00:40:34,800
other partner Sam Feldman. And
anyway, so guess who auditioned

563
00:40:34,860 --> 00:40:37,410
for lead vocals? Mike

564
00:40:37,410 --> 00:40:40,500
Marino? Correct. There you go.

565
00:40:40,980 --> 00:40:43,860
And he was living in Penticton
singing in a band called

566
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:45,930
synergy.

567
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,810
Now wasn't Mike a drummer
originally?

568
00:40:49,260 --> 00:40:49,890
Yes.

569
00:40:50,070 --> 00:40:56,220
Nice. Now was he was Was he a
kind lead singer that used to

570
00:40:56,220 --> 00:40:59,820
play drums? Or was he like a
Steven Tallarico? That was all

571
00:40:59,820 --> 00:41:06,180
over Joey. No, he was nice. He
was Canadian. Yeah.

572
00:41:08,940 --> 00:41:13,230
I'm not gonna throw Mike under
the box. So nice. Yeah, actually

573
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,370
sat in for me one night in the
club, because I had broken my

574
00:41:17,370 --> 00:41:21,870
foot or something. And he tried
to sing lead from behind the

575
00:41:21,870 --> 00:41:26,100
drum kit with the microphone
thing. That's tough. It

576
00:41:26,100 --> 00:41:29,070
couldn't, it couldn't pull it
off. You know, he did the best

577
00:41:29,070 --> 00:41:33,540
he could. But I'd always Let
Mike come and sit down. And he

578
00:41:33,540 --> 00:41:36,720
came up with a lot of parts and
things that were really cool

579
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:40,890
when we were writing materials,
wow. Writing tunes in the early

580
00:41:40,890 --> 00:41:44,580
days, and he would have this
idea for a groove and he'd sit

581
00:41:44,580 --> 00:41:47,970
down. And I just go, you know,
rather than telling me just show

582
00:41:47,970 --> 00:41:51,330
me, you know what you're talking
about the kick and the snare and

583
00:41:51,390 --> 00:41:55,080
where to lay the snare and the
hi hat pattern. And you know, he

584
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:59,850
would do stuff like that
amazing, which was great. Yeah.

585
00:42:00,090 --> 00:42:03,030
So, you know, it was kind of
inspiring. But it was really

586
00:42:03,030 --> 00:42:07,200
ironic that he auditioned for
that gig and didn't get the gig.

587
00:42:09,210 --> 00:42:12,990
So he didn't sing in the river
race. So when Sal when the

588
00:42:12,990 --> 00:42:20,640
guitar player left in 75, Paul
Dean joined the group in

589
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:25,230
Alberta, when we were living in
up in Edmonton, gotcha. So he

590
00:42:25,230 --> 00:42:29,400
joined the group and so that we
were for peace. And then when

591
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:38,130
the river race ended in late 75,
we fought we left the band and

592
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,440
formed St. Hart in Regina.

593
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,890
There you go. And then that
quickly became Loverboy.

594
00:42:48,990 --> 00:42:57,210
Well, Paul, and Paul left first,
and I left. A year later, in 79,

595
00:42:57,210 --> 00:43:00,300
we went out and toured with
Russia across the country, and

596
00:43:00,300 --> 00:43:03,090
did the second album Atlas
studio with Manny Charlton

597
00:43:03,090 --> 00:43:12,210
producing. And I left the
following fall in 79. So I came

598
00:43:12,210 --> 00:43:18,750
back to Vancouver. And the phone
rang one day at my girlfriend's

599
00:43:18,750 --> 00:43:23,850
place at the time. And it was
Mike on the phone. And he said,

600
00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:27,930
Hey, what are you doing? And I
said, nothing, just hanging out

601
00:43:27,930 --> 00:43:33,090
here in the rain and in Surrey.
And he went, Okay, we got this

602
00:43:33,090 --> 00:43:37,710
little band together. And I'm
sure you know, Paul dean. And I

603
00:43:37,710 --> 00:43:41,070
went, Yeah. And he said, we got
this bass player from Calgary

604
00:43:41,070 --> 00:43:44,070
called Vern wills. And this
keyboard player named Doug

605
00:43:44,070 --> 00:43:50,910
Johnson. And we'd like you to
come down and, and try out kind

606
00:43:50,910 --> 00:43:53,940
of thing. Yeah, see if you'd
like the songs and the direction

607
00:43:53,940 --> 00:44:01,500
we're taking. And I went cool.
So I put my Ludwigs in the ranch

608
00:44:01,500 --> 00:44:07,350
wagon of my ex girlfriends, and
drove down to practice and ran

609
00:44:07,350 --> 00:44:12,870
through all the tunes. turned me
loose lady, the 80s kid is hot.

610
00:44:12,900 --> 00:44:13,950
All those early tunes.

611
00:44:13,980 --> 00:44:21,930
Those are already written. Yeah.
Turn Me Loose stop. Now. Right

612
00:44:21,930 --> 00:44:27,750
there is the mark of a musical
mind. Like creating a Mona Lisa

613
00:44:27,750 --> 00:44:33,180
moment without distracting from
the storytelling, the riffs or

614
00:44:33,180 --> 00:44:37,410
the vocal. It's brilliant. It's
brilliant. And I didn't know I

615
00:44:37,410 --> 00:44:42,180
didn't know why I liked you in
the 80s. I just did and then now

616
00:44:42,180 --> 00:44:45,540
that I'm an overeducated,
overanalyzing person I'm like,

617
00:44:45,540 --> 00:44:50,820
listen to this MF er, man. He's
on it. This is great stuff, man.

618
00:44:50,820 --> 00:44:53,340
You know what I mean? A great
that did you guys record with

619
00:44:53,340 --> 00:44:57,120
click tracks back then? Was that
a thing in AD? No.

620
00:44:57,990 --> 00:45:01,530
And you're recording to tape
right? To correct and pretty

621
00:45:01,530 --> 00:45:05,190
much everybody live on the floor
and then would go back and redo

622
00:45:05,190 --> 00:45:10,110
vocals and redo the harmonies
and redo guitars and trying to

623
00:45:10,110 --> 00:45:14,100
get the good feeling drum take.
Yeah, which is still the case

624
00:45:14,190 --> 00:45:18,750
with everybody live on the
floor. Mike would sing in a

625
00:45:18,750 --> 00:45:23,130
vocal booth. So we were all
basically playing the tunes live

626
00:45:23,220 --> 00:45:28,770
and everything that sounded
great and the basics, you know,

627
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:33,060
on those old days have to inch
reel to reel, you know, and

628
00:45:34,770 --> 00:45:37,620
Fairburn would come out like
like the manager to the pitching

629
00:45:37,620 --> 00:45:38,250
mound,

630
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,240
so Fairbairn Bruce Fairburn was
your producer and biolab rock, a

631
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:44,340
young Bob Rock was the engineer.

632
00:45:44,670 --> 00:45:51,810
Correct? Amazing. Yeah. And so
Bob rocks, was was was was an

633
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,140
engineer at little mountain
sound. So we were in Studio A

634
00:45:55,140 --> 00:45:58,140
the big studio, where the
symphony used to be able to set

635
00:45:58,140 --> 00:46:01,860
up and record the Vancouver
Symphony, blah, blah, blah. So

636
00:46:02,910 --> 00:46:06,690
Fairburn would come out and he
would walk out and we had the

637
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:13,080
drums. My baffled, baffled,
yeah, with plexiglass up in the

638
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,720
top so I could see to the
control room and see the other

639
00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:20,940
guys and everything went to the
loading bay. And they they

640
00:46:20,940 --> 00:46:24,900
microphone, the loading bay with
the Speaker of the drums come in

641
00:46:24,930 --> 00:46:29,670
the drum track so they could
make the splotch so it was real.

642
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:36,030
And not Ken Yeah. So the drum
nuts how Bob Rock recorded all

643
00:46:36,030 --> 00:46:36,990
that early stuff.

644
00:46:37,170 --> 00:46:39,150
And you know, it was really
interesting is like I was going

645
00:46:39,150 --> 00:46:42,600
back and I was doing a deep dive
starting in 1980. And listening

646
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:47,100
to the evolution of the band and
buy in a 1980 the snare drum

647
00:46:47,100 --> 00:46:52,140
sounds very smaller, it's much
smaller with it sounds gafi lot

648
00:46:52,140 --> 00:46:54,870
of gaff tape, right? Because
we're coming out of the 70s no

649
00:46:54,870 --> 00:46:59,610
bottom heads, a lot of gaff
tape, hydraulic heads by 86

650
00:47:00,300 --> 00:47:04,710
show. You know, I mean, I'm
like, Whoa,

651
00:47:05,370 --> 00:47:10,710
I know. The Akai sampler and all
that stuff. You know that that

652
00:47:10,740 --> 00:47:16,830
the the splodge as Bob called
it, you know, and I don't know

653
00:47:16,830 --> 00:47:21,360
Def Leppard really put their
mark on that with Lange, you

654
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:25,020
know, well, you know, loving
every minute garage to dish.

655
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:29,130
That's Def Leppard dos. That was
written by Matt Lang.

656
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,510
Was that song, your song? That
one was written by Matt Lang?

657
00:47:33,870 --> 00:47:37,140
Correct. And it because it's got
the same internal rhythm dude,

658
00:47:37,140 --> 00:47:43,530
dude got to done. So that
reappeared in another hit by a

659
00:47:43,530 --> 00:47:44,910
little group called Def Leppard.

660
00:47:47,490 --> 00:47:53,190
Yeah, but was was the was the
golden child behind Def Leppard

661
00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:59,490
and AC DC. And I said I and
Shanaya Yeah, all early stuff,

662
00:47:59,610 --> 00:48:03,300
you know, and he had this
formula that he liked to work

663
00:48:03,300 --> 00:48:09,930
with. And, you know, we jumped
on the bandwagon. Yeah. In the

664
00:48:09,930 --> 00:48:10,890
mid 80s.

665
00:48:12,090 --> 00:48:16,500
No, as an as you're recording
that first record, or when

666
00:48:16,500 --> 00:48:20,220
you're around 28 years old, and
you're, you're a great drummer,

667
00:48:20,220 --> 00:48:24,000
you're confident you're hard
working. You're in the studio,

668
00:48:24,030 --> 00:48:29,820
you're trying to get these
cheaper tracks. Were you utterly

669
00:48:29,820 --> 00:48:32,490
confident or was there a little
thing in the back of your mind?

670
00:48:32,610 --> 00:48:35,310
Don't screw this up, man. Go we
got this. You can get this Yes,

671
00:48:35,310 --> 00:48:37,980
three minutes of your life,
because you're not even 30 yet.

672
00:48:39,420 --> 00:48:44,370
Yeah, you know, there was a lot
of yes, you can no, you can,

673
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,120
yes, you can. Don't mess up.
Yes, you can don't mess up, you

674
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:52,950
know, devil's advocate, you
know, just mind games going on.

675
00:48:53,130 --> 00:48:56,520
And you just go for it. And
you're in the moment, and I am

676
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,490
playing on that big kit. And
then and then Fairburn would

677
00:48:59,490 --> 00:49:03,030
walk out after a really amazing
take, and sweat would be running

678
00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:06,360
down and my headphones would be
fallen off. We used to have to

679
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,380
gaffer tape my headphones to my
head, because I'm drumming so

680
00:49:10,380 --> 00:49:15,600
animated, you know, flipping
around on that big kid, and he

681
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:20,850
come out he go, that was
amazing. Now, take that. And

682
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:27,090
kidney. Just go for everything.
Go get all the drums. it

683
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:33,390
everything you got. Exactly. And
God bless him, you know, and

684
00:49:33,390 --> 00:49:37,800
then I would just like take the
next track and just like punch

685
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:42,690
it and then just like overplay
almost would that would that

686
00:49:42,690 --> 00:49:46,800
would that be the keeper?
Usually, not necessarily because

687
00:49:46,830 --> 00:49:50,460
what they were trying to do was
get Tom fields because Bob was

688
00:49:50,460 --> 00:49:54,840
really good with the razor blade
in cutting tape. Because back in

689
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:59,400
those days, you couldn't just
copy and paste and drop in on on

690
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:05,610
a computer. Have you had to cut
takes this, you know, and make

691
00:50:05,610 --> 00:50:11,070
sure there's not any leakage and
stuff like that. So we used to

692
00:50:11,070 --> 00:50:15,060
have this gaffer gaffer tape my
headphones, like you're wearing

693
00:50:15,150 --> 00:50:20,820
to my hair. Yeah. And they made
this joke that we should gaffer

694
00:50:20,820 --> 00:50:26,850
tape my mouth because I grunted
and groaned in the overheads you

695
00:50:26,850 --> 00:50:30,270
could, you could pick it up and
they would isolate the overheads

696
00:50:30,450 --> 00:50:32,430
and take down all the drums and
you'd hear

697
00:50:33,930 --> 00:50:36,660
Yeah, like, yeah, like, like,
like, like Keith Jarrett. I

698
00:50:36,660 --> 00:50:39,270
mean, I do the same thing. I
mean, just still, yeah,

699
00:50:39,330 --> 00:50:42,960
it's crazy. Just going for it,
you know, like, just, you know,

700
00:50:42,990 --> 00:50:48,210
guttural things. And they play
this back to me or record it,

701
00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:52,140
you know, like, put it on a
cassette. It's like, Oh, you

702
00:50:52,140 --> 00:50:53,970
guys are our souls. So

703
00:50:54,180 --> 00:50:57,030
that is, that's amazing. But
you're always very adventurous

704
00:50:57,030 --> 00:51:01,410
with your Tom feels like, good.
You know, your heritage is

705
00:51:01,410 --> 00:51:05,310
around. And the extreme accuracy
really, I love that you have the

706
00:51:05,310 --> 00:51:08,010
three up in the two down like I
always say, it's like a

707
00:51:08,010 --> 00:51:10,830
pentatonic scale. You know, I
mean, it's I've never, at some

708
00:51:10,830 --> 00:51:13,980
point, I'd like to have the five
times I'm such a little Ringo

709
00:51:14,010 --> 00:51:18,360
Barnum guy, just two to three
times, but the five really nice.

710
00:51:18,690 --> 00:51:19,020
Yeah.

711
00:51:19,050 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaking of Barnum, you know,
this year, we're going out with

712
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:27,330
Sammy, Hagar July and August.
Oh, cool. And Jason is going to

713
00:51:27,330 --> 00:51:32,340
be on drums with drumming
royalty there. And Jason. So,

714
00:51:32,610 --> 00:51:36,810
you know, we're Sammy and his
All Star band Satriani on

715
00:51:36,810 --> 00:51:41,760
guitar, Michael Anthony on bass.
And it's just going to be

716
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:46,440
amazing. We're really, really
looking forward to that. July

717
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:50,400
and August with with with
salmon. Incredible. I'm not

718
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:56,010
looking forward to what's going
to be the hot weather this

719
00:51:56,010 --> 00:52:00,000
summer outdoors. And I just
watched the weather thing this

720
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:04,830
morning on my weather channel
out. It's just, it's going to be

721
00:52:04,860 --> 00:52:08,400
even hotter than it was last
summer and the summer before.

722
00:52:08,850 --> 00:52:12,540
Yeah, global warming is a real
thing. You know, you know what's

723
00:52:12,540 --> 00:52:16,050
crazy is that for years and
years and years, I would have

724
00:52:16,950 --> 00:52:21,810
two gigantic industrial strength
fans blowing hot July air on me.

725
00:52:21,810 --> 00:52:26,220
And then finally one day we
stole the idea from Zukerman to

726
00:52:26,220 --> 00:52:28,980
have an air conditioner. So I've
had an air conditioner for six

727
00:52:28,980 --> 00:52:32,310
years. And it makes all the
difference in the level of

728
00:52:32,310 --> 00:52:34,650
enjoyment I get from the job.

729
00:52:35,070 --> 00:52:43,980
Yeah. Now I have one now too,
but Brian hit from reo. Sean,

730
00:52:43,980 --> 00:52:48,570
John Aldridge is his tech. Yeah.
Tech during that tour, and

731
00:52:48,570 --> 00:52:55,950
probably still is, and Jay
diekman, my drum tech. And John

732
00:52:55,950 --> 00:52:59,640
worked a thing out because I
overran one night in St. Louis,

733
00:52:59,910 --> 00:53:04,500
in late July, and I got to
Catering and I was just like

734
00:53:04,500 --> 00:53:08,760
really dizzy. And we were doing
only a 45 minute set, but the

735
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:14,340
sun would come down rate always
facing the stage. And we'd hit

736
00:53:14,340 --> 00:53:19,200
the state set at 730. And just
the Sun's right in your face.

737
00:53:19,350 --> 00:53:23,340
And I'm going for that
firecrackers set, you know, 45

738
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:28,290
all the hits, and just go Go, go
go go and then stop when you're

739
00:53:28,290 --> 00:53:33,360
at the end is Oh, and good
night. You know, I barely had

740
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:38,460
time to like drink a water. And
so I, Brian and Todd both had

741
00:53:38,460 --> 00:53:42,450
their ice machines, their air
conditioner, blown on their

742
00:53:42,450 --> 00:53:47,910
back. And so they would lend me
after that incident in the

743
00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:51,930
Midwest somewhere Kansas or St.
Louis, wherever that was, and

744
00:53:51,930 --> 00:53:58,470
they would lend it to me after.
And then whoever was closing the

745
00:53:58,470 --> 00:54:01,260
show, because there wasn't
really a clear headliner two

746
00:54:01,260 --> 00:54:06,330
years ago. It was reo and
sticks. And they would just swap

747
00:54:06,420 --> 00:54:10,890
going from the second place. The
second band and then the closing

748
00:54:10,890 --> 00:54:11,220
band.

749
00:54:12,540 --> 00:54:15,450
Yeah, you know, you know, when
it's, uh, it makes all the

750
00:54:15,450 --> 00:54:17,940
difference. And you know, I feel
I feel it was the original guy

751
00:54:17,940 --> 00:54:21,210
to do that. The OG was I heard
that bunny bunny. Carlos always

752
00:54:21,210 --> 00:54:23,610
had an air conditioner back
there. Yeah.

753
00:54:25,950 --> 00:54:31,380
Old bunny. Yeah, I miss seeing
him. Behind the kid. Yeah. And

754
00:54:31,620 --> 00:54:37,170
you guys were out with one last
year just to be able to go out

755
00:54:37,170 --> 00:54:42,420
and do the summer with foreigner
last last summer. So yeah,

756
00:54:42,420 --> 00:54:42,810
great.

757
00:54:42,900 --> 00:54:47,910
Yeah. Chris Fraser lives here
now. Yeah, 30 minutes from me. I

758
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:49,920
never see him. You know,
everybody lives her. Keith

759
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,650
Carlock lives in Spring Hill. I
went to college with Keith never

760
00:54:52,650 --> 00:54:56,340
see him. It's crazy. You really
have to make the effort to like

761
00:54:56,370 --> 00:54:59,520
get people out of their houses
these days and it's harder than

762
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,860
ever because I Think COVID just
created this new thing where

763
00:55:01,860 --> 00:55:05,190
it's like, ah, go to a nightclub
tonight. Now I'm gonna sit here.

764
00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:07,590
I'm just gonna watch Friends.
You know? You're not

765
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,010
there to write. Yeah, yeah.

766
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:16,290
It's crazy man. But I know. But
very musical, and I'm so glad

767
00:55:16,290 --> 00:55:18,870
you get to do that. So you guys
are doing what 60 shows a year,

768
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:19,890
that kind of thing still?

769
00:55:20,730 --> 00:55:25,410
Well, with the summer packages,
the last two years since COVID,

770
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:33,240
it's pushing more like 75.
Possibly. That's again, over on

771
00:55:33,240 --> 00:55:36,810
an average year when we're not
doing the warm up Summer Tour.

772
00:55:36,930 --> 00:55:43,650
Like to a headliner. It's it was
averaging kind of around 6065

773
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:51,180
Max, usually really solid, like
a couple in January, maybe a

774
00:55:51,180 --> 00:55:55,170
couple in March, you know, just
casino work in stuff like that,

775
00:55:55,170 --> 00:55:58,080
you know, when you're indoors,
and then you start to go

776
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:02,490
outdoors, you know, in some of
the warmer states in like May,

777
00:56:02,940 --> 00:56:05,760
and stuff like that county
fairs, state fairs,

778
00:56:05,850 --> 00:56:12,060
amphitheaters, indoor theaters,
and then, you know, a festival

779
00:56:12,060 --> 00:56:16,140
or something like that. But
since we started up after COVID,

780
00:56:16,410 --> 00:56:22,530
we landed reo and sticks for
2022 For four months, and that

781
00:56:22,530 --> 00:56:27,180
was amazing. Best tour ever. I
mean, the camaraderie and

782
00:56:27,420 --> 00:56:34,260
everybody, I mean, just, I mean,
Kevin Cronin and guys from

783
00:56:34,260 --> 00:56:38,490
sticks. Were like watching the
set, like, almost every night.

784
00:56:38,670 --> 00:56:43,920
Yeah, it's nice. And I'd come
off the stage. And just like,

785
00:56:44,100 --> 00:56:49,110
towel around my neck, and like,
my tech would put an ice pack

786
00:56:49,110 --> 00:56:52,650
around my neck, you know, to try
and cool me down or an ice towel

787
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:56,760
that was in the ice cooler. And,
and I'd walk off the back of the

788
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,940
set, you know, because timing
was everything. It was a 15

789
00:56:59,940 --> 00:57:05,880
minute set change between fast
all three baths. Yeah, so we

790
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:09,540
would finish at quarter at
quarter after eat. And the

791
00:57:09,540 --> 00:57:13,560
second band would start at 830
on the dot. That's and that's a

792
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,680
nice turnaround. That's great
for the audience. Because we

793
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:20,730
have we have big multiple act
festivals in cut in the country

794
00:57:20,730 --> 00:57:23,670
genre. But usually the
turnaround between sets is 30

795
00:57:23,670 --> 00:57:24,120
minutes.

796
00:57:24,510 --> 00:57:28,740
Yeah, yeah. I saw I saw your
itinerary. Yesterday when I was

797
00:57:28,740 --> 00:57:34,140
looking online to see Jason's.
What you're up against this

798
00:57:34,140 --> 00:57:41,880
year? Yeah. I saw the complete
package there. That's that's a

799
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,160
lot of groups to get on and off
the stick and a

800
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:47,640
DJ in between each one to keep
everybody because it's an it's

801
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,490
an it's an add world. So
everyone's like, we it's

802
00:57:50,490 --> 00:57:55,080
constant. We need music. Yeah,
who've those aremeyaw molecules.

803
00:57:56,250 --> 00:58:00,120
So we also have a mutual friend
Ian Lee Kelly. I just had Lee on

804
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,820
the show because we moved to
Nashville together. The same

805
00:58:02,820 --> 00:58:05,640
time he's kind of my graduating
class was like me, Jim Riley,

806
00:58:05,790 --> 00:58:09,360
Pat McDonald, previously with
the Troy Daniels band, and Lee

807
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:11,730
and we all kind of like found
our way together. And I'm super

808
00:58:11,730 --> 00:58:14,670
proud of a man but but I know
that he went out and tech free

809
00:58:14,670 --> 00:58:18,300
before he filled in for you
before so I figured I'd drop his

810
00:58:18,300 --> 00:58:18,720
name.

811
00:58:20,220 --> 00:58:28,560
Yeah. I was down for the count
with my first hip surgery for

812
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:32,820
two months, and he came out and
did, I don't know, month and a

813
00:58:32,820 --> 00:58:38,160
half or something for me. And I
think he knew Mike and Mike's

814
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:43,350
wife, who has family in
Nashville. She does and they're

815
00:58:43,350 --> 00:58:47,730
all in the entertainment. And I
think we had done some corporate

816
00:58:47,730 --> 00:58:51,870
gigs with Mike with Kathy's
singing Almost paradise or

817
00:58:51,870 --> 00:58:58,380
something like that. Oh, yeah.
We was was the the drummer on

818
00:58:58,380 --> 00:59:02,070
those things. Crazy. You'd
played a couple of Loverboy

819
00:59:02,070 --> 00:59:04,650
tunes. So yeah, amazing,

820
00:59:04,860 --> 00:59:10,680
amazing man. Such a such a small
world. Now now your influences.

821
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:15,840
It says here Ginger Baker Billy
Cobham turns 80 years old today,

822
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:16,260
man.

823
00:59:16,710 --> 00:59:19,800
Oh my God today. Today,
yesterday or today.

824
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,320
I've been seeing a lot of posts
your Don brewers your Mitch

825
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:26,340
Mitchell's Garrison, so kikbuild
got arrested. So Bobby Colombi

826
00:59:26,580 --> 00:59:30,000
Danny Serafin, man you're you're
you're speaking you're breaching

827
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,700
man. I love all these cats man
because they were they were

828
00:59:32,700 --> 00:59:37,290
mixing they're my master class
teachers off of record. You

829
00:59:37,290 --> 00:59:42,210
know, I would have loved to have
been able to sit down. But when

830
00:59:42,210 --> 00:59:47,700
I saw the original Hendrix and
the opening act, there was three

831
00:59:47,700 --> 00:59:52,290
opening acts and 67 one I saw
Jimmy with no reading on bass

832
00:59:52,290 --> 00:59:57,180
and Mitch on drums was was
Vanilla Fudge. Went on rate

833
00:59:57,180 --> 01:00:01,800
before with Carmine. Ooh, he's
The even had his red sparkle

834
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,790
Ludwig's back then, and him and
Tim Bogart did this drum and

835
01:00:05,790 --> 01:00:09,900
bass thing. And I was at the
back of the room, and it was

836
01:00:09,900 --> 01:00:15,630
packed, and I just ran, it was
just like, I just, it was like a

837
01:00:15,630 --> 01:00:19,770
magnet for me. And I had to just
get closer and see what he was

838
01:00:19,770 --> 01:00:24,300
doing and the way he was
attacking his drums and and I

839
01:00:24,300 --> 01:00:29,760
really just wanted that I wanted
to absorb as much as possible,

840
01:00:30,090 --> 01:00:34,710
you know? Yeah, the way that the
plate and the bass and drums

841
01:00:34,710 --> 01:00:39,210
were connected in fudge, you
know, and then it was

842
01:00:39,210 --> 01:00:43,200
unbelievable and the crowd was
just like blown away. And then

843
01:00:44,340 --> 01:00:48,990
Hendrix came on and he was just
kind of you know, LAX just

844
01:00:48,990 --> 01:00:53,160
really laid back and I think he
had gone through some hassle at

845
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:58,890
the border crossing up from
Washington. And so So vanilla

846
01:00:58,890 --> 01:01:02,490
was on fire that night. I mean,
Carmine, huge inspiration of

847
01:01:02,490 --> 01:01:06,300
course the book realistic rock
and the whole thing that gong

848
01:01:06,300 --> 01:01:09,150
bass drums the leopard skin
shirt, the you know, the

849
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:12,510
flavors, savor the all the
stuff, man, you know, his his.

850
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:16,740
His brother is such a great
drummer to my other stuff with

851
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:23,790
you know, Vinnie, do Oh, just
fantastic drumming. And

852
01:01:23,790 --> 01:01:30,540
I got to see and meet Carmine
forgot who he was drumming at

853
01:01:30,690 --> 01:01:36,990
Drummond with in a big stadium
back in like 82. And

854
01:01:37,710 --> 01:01:41,310
could have been Ted Nugent. It
could have been Ozzy. It was it

855
01:01:41,310 --> 01:01:44,250
was Ozzy. Yeah. bark at the moon
tour.

856
01:01:45,390 --> 01:01:47,670
And it wasn't Tom.

857
01:01:49,860 --> 01:01:53,340
You Yeah, yeah. No, I think it I
think Carmine did the bark at

858
01:01:53,340 --> 01:01:56,550
the moon tour. And then Sharon
fired him because he was trying

859
01:01:56,550 --> 01:01:59,640
to sell too much merch at the
merch at the merchandise table.

860
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:03,420
And I'm like, Well, what? You
can't fault the guy for trying I

861
01:02:03,420 --> 01:02:08,160
mean, I believe me I can relate
man let you know let's let's we

862
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:09,900
got to work hard at this
drumming thing to put it

863
01:02:09,900 --> 01:02:14,070
together man. But no he big
influence. I had the poster on

864
01:02:14,070 --> 01:02:18,450
the wall. The whole thing man,
Carmine is fan

865
01:02:18,660 --> 01:02:22,470
past. And we played rate. I
can't remember who was

866
01:02:22,470 --> 01:02:27,450
headlining. Ozzy wasn't the
headliner. And it was a massive

867
01:02:27,450 --> 01:02:30,510
stadium and I want to say like
rich Stadium in Buffalo or

868
01:02:30,660 --> 01:02:32,670
something like that. And

869
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:35,130
Ozzy wasn't headlining

870
01:02:36,930 --> 01:02:44,880
I could be wrong. It might have
been. We went out with with

871
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:49,830
foreigner, when Lou and and and
Mick were in the band. And

872
01:02:50,790 --> 01:02:56,160
Dennis was drumming, and Mark
Rivera on sax. And it was just

873
01:02:56,190 --> 01:03:00,900
an unbelievable killer band. And
we went out in 82 as support.

874
01:03:01,170 --> 01:03:05,940
And there was multiple bands,
you know, Tesla, and a 911, and

875
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:10,710
whoever, whoever, whoever, and
then Loverboy, and then

876
01:03:12,150 --> 01:03:16,020
foreigner. But there was one of
those bills like that, where

877
01:03:16,020 --> 01:03:17,370
Ozzy was on the bill.

878
01:03:19,230 --> 01:03:20,760
And just trying to think who
would have been bigger than

879
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:26,130
Ozzie in 1982? It'll come to us.

880
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:30,900
Anyway, it's all a blur?
Probably not.

881
01:03:31,050 --> 01:03:34,110
It is a blur. Did you journal? I
mean, do you think you got a

882
01:03:34,110 --> 01:03:37,050
book in you? I always ask
everyone, because now I have a

883
01:03:37,050 --> 01:03:39,720
man of a certain age or a man of
a certain age, I'd

884
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:44,760
have to talk it out, you know,
with and do an autobiography to

885
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:50,430
have like, just tell stories to
somebody? At a ghostwriter or a

886
01:03:50,430 --> 01:03:53,010
co writer. Yeah, yeah, I need
somebody to like feed me like

887
01:03:53,010 --> 01:03:55,950
you've been doing on this
podcast, your thoughts? No. I

888
01:03:55,950 --> 01:03:59,640
mean, it's a so well, is it safe
to say that of all the years in

889
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:02,910
the music business, like the
70s, where you're the 60s and

890
01:04:02,910 --> 01:04:06,600
the 70s are your formative years
and 80s You found massive

891
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:09,240
success and was a springboard 40
years later, you're still doing

892
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:12,270
it? Is it safe to say that the
80s may have been your favorite

893
01:04:12,300 --> 01:04:14,640
era in the music business or

894
01:04:17,730 --> 01:04:26,820
Yes. But going back, you say you
say my informative years, the

895
01:04:26,820 --> 01:04:31,170
years I was learning and
absorbing from the likes of

896
01:04:31,170 --> 01:04:36,990
Danny Serafin and, and and
Michael Shrieve, from Santana

897
01:04:38,730 --> 01:04:43,500
all of the all of those early
drummers and so going back when

898
01:04:43,500 --> 01:04:48,960
I was 13, my going back to my
dad, who was such a big

899
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:55,050
influence, and and everything on
me. He was he played guitar and

900
01:04:55,050 --> 01:05:00,120
harmonica, and his love was
Country and Western. Yeah. For

901
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:06,330
your country, Kitty Wells, Patsy
Cline, Hanks, no Hank Williams,

902
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:07,470
Ray price,

903
01:05:07,530 --> 01:05:08,460
storytellers.

904
01:05:09,210 --> 01:05:14,970
All those original storytellers.
Yeah, yeah, gosh. I know I'm

905
01:05:14,970 --> 01:05:16,110
leaving Loretta

906
01:05:16,110 --> 01:05:17,280
Patsy yah, yah,

907
01:05:17,580 --> 01:05:22,290
yah, yah, yah, all that and
those records were spinning all

908
01:05:22,290 --> 01:05:27,060
the time at home. So I would
learning to play to those

909
01:05:27,060 --> 01:05:31,020
records and mom like Tom Jones
and a bit more Boston ova Lena

910
01:05:31,020 --> 01:05:38,670
Horne press Peredo Harry
Belafonte, Tom Jones Ingleburn

911
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:43,680
you know, music like that blue.
You know, Frank Sinatra, Nancy

912
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:50,370
Sinatra and all that kind of
stuff was going on. And that was

913
01:05:50,370 --> 01:05:55,830
a Tom Jones live record that my
parents had that I played the

914
01:05:56,040 --> 01:06:00,870
the living daylights out of and
wore that LP out on my on my

915
01:06:00,870 --> 01:06:04,500
turntable. That's drumming to
that, and whoever was drumming

916
01:06:04,500 --> 01:06:10,980
in that band was unbelievable.
Just fired, you know, just like,

917
01:06:11,370 --> 01:06:18,450
fired up, you know? Yeah. So I
just My dad took me to Buddy

918
01:06:18,450 --> 01:06:21,180
Rich when I was 13. So

919
01:06:21,180 --> 01:06:25,380
did mine about the same age. My
five man. Yeah.

920
01:06:26,010 --> 01:06:31,920
So he, it was obviously underage
in there. But it was a separate

921
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:35,790
club, serving food. So I was
allowed to go in there. And it

922
01:06:35,790 --> 01:06:40,050
was afternoon set. And so we
were in there sitting at a

923
01:06:40,050 --> 01:06:45,030
table. And buddy came on and
doing his thing. And he goes

924
01:06:45,030 --> 01:06:50,760
into his solo. And he starts
this press roll. And he's flying

925
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:55,080
around the kit, you know, doing
one handed press rolls and shit,

926
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:59,730
you know, playing all this
stuff. And these two drunk guys

927
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:05,250
salesmen had been there all day
drinking liquid lunch, and they

928
01:07:05,250 --> 01:07:08,640
were sitting right at the front
of the stage at this little

929
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:13,260
table, and it is completely
ignoring what's going on on

930
01:07:13,260 --> 01:07:17,670
stage. Everybody else in the
room was there to see the Buddy

931
01:07:17,670 --> 01:07:23,400
Rich big band. And there was a
lot of parents with kids. Like

932
01:07:23,430 --> 01:07:29,610
young drummers, yeah. Like like
myself. And so buddy brought the

933
01:07:29,610 --> 01:07:33,600
soul down to a press roll and
stopped. And they were

934
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:38,040
oblivious. Oh, so buddy had a
sticks under his arm. And he

935
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:41,340
walked to the edge of the stage
and he was just standing looking

936
01:07:41,340 --> 01:07:48,090
over them. And they were
oblivious. Just yeah, you don't

937
01:07:48,090 --> 01:07:49,650
know where? And I

938
01:07:49,650 --> 01:07:52,680
pretty good. Pretty good, man.
Yeah,

939
01:07:52,830 --> 01:07:57,060
so not bad for guys been sober
for 33 years. Oh my god. Okay.

940
01:07:57,090 --> 01:08:03,720
Okay. So anyway, so he, he just
kind of took his sticks

941
01:08:03,780 --> 01:08:07,050
together. And he wrapped them on
the table to get their

942
01:08:07,050 --> 01:08:13,110
attention. And then they kind of
looked up and they went, Oh, and

943
01:08:13,110 --> 01:08:18,690
they stop, you know their
banter. And he just said, a lot

944
01:08:18,690 --> 01:08:22,860
enough for everybody in the room
to hear. Everybody in this

945
01:08:22,890 --> 01:08:31,350
effing room is here to see me
and my band. You guys are a

946
01:08:31,350 --> 01:08:37,590
major effing distraction, and
the air was just blew. And he

947
01:08:37,590 --> 01:08:43,710
went off on these two guys.
Awesome. I suggest you get the f

948
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:46,740
out of here. If you're not
interested in listening to this

949
01:08:46,740 --> 01:08:51,750
music, because nobody else can
hear what we're doing in the

950
01:08:51,750 --> 01:08:58,440
quiet parts. You know, etc, etc.
Yeah. And so the bouncer came

951
01:08:58,440 --> 01:09:03,990
over and escorted these two guys
out the door. Amazing. Buddy

952
01:09:03,990 --> 01:09:07,860
went back and started that press
roll and built it up and

953
01:09:07,860 --> 01:09:11,970
finished a solo a one, two, a
1234 Bop, bop, bop, bop, bop,

954
01:09:11,970 --> 01:09:15,690
bop and went into his, whatever
channel one sweet or something

955
01:09:15,690 --> 01:09:16,200
like that.

956
01:09:16,199 --> 01:09:17,279
And it was that story.

957
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:28,469
That has always stayed with me
rich. And if I was to ever pass

958
01:09:28,469 --> 01:09:31,919
on, and I tell that story, I
told that story when I was doing

959
01:09:31,919 --> 01:09:36,299
clinics back in the 90s and
stuff, just as an inspirational

960
01:09:36,299 --> 01:09:43,199
story to young drummers who were
starting out and look for a fire

961
01:09:43,229 --> 01:09:49,889
in somebody to take take the
baton and get a small piece of

962
01:09:49,889 --> 01:09:57,569
it. And the fire was lit in me
that day. Bye Birdie rich. I

963
01:09:57,599 --> 01:10:02,849
really, really wanted to command
a band like he commanded and

964
01:10:03,209 --> 01:10:10,859
attack the drums and play the
drums musically and and not get

965
01:10:10,859 --> 01:10:14,309
in the way of the vocals and not
get in the way of other stuff.

966
01:10:14,429 --> 01:10:20,489
Pick and choose your holes. Yes.
Where to shine Turn

967
01:10:20,490 --> 01:10:25,260
Me Loose stop to that there's a
conversation it there's a

968
01:10:26,190 --> 01:10:28,380
there's the there's the
conversation right there you

969
01:10:28,380 --> 01:10:31,320
filling in the cracks between
the vocal phrase you just heard

970
01:10:31,319 --> 01:10:36,209
that song on the radio not but
two days ago. And it still

971
01:10:36,209 --> 01:10:40,379
sounds great. Going back to that
Bob Rock Mike Fraser, Bruce

972
01:10:40,379 --> 01:10:43,859
Fairburn, teen and delay they
recorded all those early tracks

973
01:10:43,859 --> 01:10:47,039
and it still sounds great, you
know, compared to everything

974
01:10:47,039 --> 01:10:52,109
else on the radio and I just
felt well, yes, you bought you

975
01:10:52,110 --> 01:10:55,230
know, and it's go so great is
that is that I experienced that

976
01:10:55,230 --> 01:10:59,040
same thing. My dad took me to a
supper club to see Buddy Rich

977
01:10:59,190 --> 01:11:02,040
and the girls were dressed. The
waitresses were dressed in like

978
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:05,640
heavy metal like chainmail and
like fishnet stockings and

979
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:08,910
stuff. Because it was like 84,
right? And he comes out and he

980
01:11:08,910 --> 01:11:12,330
starts doing a solo and he stops
the solo and he goes, who the

981
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:16,410
fuck booked me in this place.
And then he just continued to

982
01:11:16,410 --> 01:11:19,140
rip it up. Then my dad took me
to see the Maynard Ferguson big

983
01:11:19,140 --> 01:11:22,980
band with Ray Brinker, Ray
Brinker, now, Angeleno drummer,

984
01:11:23,130 --> 01:11:28,560
fantastic all around musician
took me to see Chuck Berry play.

985
01:11:28,740 --> 01:11:31,260
And Chuck Berry would always
hire local musicians. So my drum

986
01:11:31,260 --> 01:11:33,390
teacher was the guy that got
selected to play with Chuck

987
01:11:33,390 --> 01:11:37,320
Berry that night. So I got to
see my drum teacher. But you

988
01:11:37,380 --> 01:11:41,580
your dad and my dad were the
same guy. And it makes gives me

989
01:11:41,580 --> 01:11:43,350
goosebumps. And I could tell
you're getting a little

990
01:11:43,350 --> 01:11:45,300
emotional. And I was getting
emotional listening to your

991
01:11:45,300 --> 01:11:48,630
story. Because that's such a
special time in someone's life

992
01:11:48,630 --> 01:11:53,820
when a parent champions their
child and is willing to climb up

993
01:11:54,090 --> 01:12:00,060
a fire escape to get someone in
to to an audition. Yeah, yeah.

994
01:12:00,570 --> 01:12:05,490
And that is figuring out the
drums and getting good at the

995
01:12:05,490 --> 01:12:10,620
drums and having my parents be
so so that was a very special

996
01:12:10,620 --> 01:12:10,920
time.

997
01:12:11,580 --> 01:12:15,960
It was, you know, and that still
lives with me. God bless my old

998
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:23,880
man, you know. real inspiration
back in the day, and just pushed

999
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:27,720
me almost pushed me out the door
after high school, pretty much.

1000
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:32,280
Like he said, he said, go do
this. Yeah. And then I was

1001
01:12:33,510 --> 01:12:37,290
Rewinding back a little bit if
he gives you a little bit. I

1002
01:12:37,290 --> 01:12:40,680
shouldn't go on so much about my
old man. I'll please do it's

1003
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:47,100
great. Anyway, between grade 11
and grade 12. So go back a year,

1004
01:12:47,340 --> 01:12:52,080
I had a country gig with this
royal Overson cover band called

1005
01:12:52,110 --> 01:12:56,010
Larry Branson and downstream
from Vancouver. And we had a gig

1006
01:12:56,010 --> 01:12:59,940
in northern BC for a month up
there playing in the club with a

1007
01:12:59,940 --> 01:13:05,550
band house and all that summer
months. And I called home. And

1008
01:13:05,550 --> 01:13:10,470
it was in August, because school
started after Labor Day in

1009
01:13:10,470 --> 01:13:17,040
Vancouver, in in British
Columbia and Canada. So I called

1010
01:13:17,790 --> 01:13:23,460
and got my mom on the phone. And
I said Hey, Mom, no, I got my

1011
01:13:23,460 --> 01:13:29,460
dad on the phone first. And I
said, Hey, can you guys register

1012
01:13:29,460 --> 01:13:36,300
me for grade 12? And my old man
said, no goddamn way. You know,

1013
01:13:36,330 --> 01:13:42,240
French Canadian, kind of speak
Do you speak French? He spoke

1014
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:46,830
really good French. But we grew
up on the west coast, where he

1015
01:13:46,830 --> 01:13:50,340
met my mom in Calgary. And so
all his relatives were in

1016
01:13:50,340 --> 01:13:57,300
Quebec. So he didn't have a lot
of reason to speak French, in on

1017
01:13:57,300 --> 01:14:02,220
the west coast in Vancouver with
the family growing up. So he he

1018
01:14:02,220 --> 01:14:07,200
only cussed in French when he
would come or with a hammer or

1019
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:11,670
something working in his tool
shop. Whatever. So you know, he

1020
01:14:13,620 --> 01:14:15,540
was the story. I was telling
him. Sorry.

1021
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:19,800
No. Oh, you were telling me. I
shouldn't have I shouldn't

1022
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:22,920
interrupted you about the French
language thing. But um, yeah,

1023
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:26,850
you're old man. was doing Oh, we
were talking about you know how

1024
01:14:26,850 --> 01:14:28,830
great they were to us and
supportive.

1025
01:14:30,359 --> 01:14:37,529
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So he, he, um,
I said, Put mom on the phone. He

1026
01:14:37,649 --> 01:14:42,479
what he said before, before I
said that was he said, You're

1027
01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:45,599
gonna stay out there. Your road,
the road and your drums is your

1028
01:14:45,599 --> 01:14:51,029
education. I'm not signing you
up for grade 12. And I said put

1029
01:14:51,029 --> 01:14:54,539
mom on the phone. So mom came
on. And I said you just heard

1030
01:14:54,539 --> 01:14:57,689
what dad just said, right? He
doesn't want me coming back for

1031
01:14:57,689 --> 01:15:03,809
grade 12. And he said If she
said, Yeah. And I said, Well,

1032
01:15:03,809 --> 01:15:07,979
you will register me for grade
12. And she said, Sure, I will.

1033
01:15:08,039 --> 01:15:12,119
And my kids sister, Lisa was
starting grade eight. It was a

1034
01:15:12,119 --> 01:15:18,449
big high school. And, like, over
2000 student population, wow, I

1035
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:21,809
was concerned for her. And I
wanted to finish all my track

1036
01:15:21,809 --> 01:15:25,169
and field and sports and stuff.
I wasn't a great student. You

1037
01:15:25,169 --> 01:15:28,799
know, c, c, minus d, blah, blah,
blah. Always looking out the

1038
01:15:28,799 --> 01:15:31,679
window. Thinking of sports and
music.

1039
01:15:31,710 --> 01:15:35,460
You're a dreamer, like Luke
Skywalker. Yeah, yeah.

1040
01:15:35,550 --> 01:15:40,890
that'll that'll go with the
Pisces. So, yeah. So I ended up

1041
01:15:40,890 --> 01:15:43,380
getting registered, and I came
back for grade 12. But that just

1042
01:15:43,380 --> 01:15:47,250
gives you an idea about how
dedicated the oh man one. He

1043
01:15:47,250 --> 01:15:52,500
just wanted me out to live his
dream. You know, to be me.

1044
01:15:52,500 --> 01:15:52,770
That's

1045
01:15:52,770 --> 01:15:55,830
incredible. He didn't even want
you to finish high school. He

1046
01:15:55,830 --> 01:15:57,780
was ready for you to go do it.

1047
01:15:58,319 --> 01:16:03,479
Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah. So
basically, by grade 12, when he

1048
01:16:03,599 --> 01:16:07,979
got that audition idea, he
basically pushed me out the door

1049
01:16:07,979 --> 01:16:11,999
said, Here you go, kid. Go make
a life for yourself.

1050
01:16:12,780 --> 01:16:16,170
So when you guys won the six
Juno Awards, which is like the

1051
01:16:16,170 --> 01:16:18,240
equivalent to the Grammys? Yeah,

1052
01:16:18,540 --> 01:16:23,400
that had to be a big night. It
was six for six. Nobody has ever

1053
01:16:23,460 --> 01:16:27,390
been nominated for six and won
all six in a single night like

1054
01:16:27,390 --> 01:16:27,810
that.

1055
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:32,550
Yeah, I think you said you won
for Best Group, best band, best

1056
01:16:32,550 --> 01:16:35,250
writer, best producer best
single and best engineer.

1057
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:38,670
Correct. Wow. And so

1058
01:16:39,510 --> 01:16:42,270
we're on a we're bullying us at
the end, by the time we got to

1059
01:16:42,270 --> 01:16:45,690
the fifth and sixth because they
wanted their local bands like

1060
01:16:45,690 --> 01:16:51,390
Rush and, and, you know, commit
your stuff to when something

1061
01:16:51,390 --> 01:16:54,450
else you know, rather than Oh,
here we are again, you know, and

1062
01:16:54,450 --> 01:16:54,660
then we

1063
01:16:55,499 --> 01:17:01,259
you guys take turns doing little
acceptance speeches, or was

1064
01:17:01,259 --> 01:17:04,199
there always just the point man
that spoke on behalf of the

1065
01:17:04,199 --> 01:17:04,499
band?

1066
01:17:06,270 --> 01:17:10,050
Ah, a little bit of both. Yeah.
You know?

1067
01:17:12,540 --> 01:17:14,850
Because my dad was always like,
I can't wait to see you on the

1068
01:17:14,850 --> 01:17:19,050
Grammy stage. Now. I played the
Grammys, but as a sideman, I've

1069
01:17:19,050 --> 01:17:23,760
never been able to go up there
and go, yo, Drew Gera, you know

1070
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:27,240
what I mean? It's, it's a
different thing. But you know,

1071
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:28,770
exactly.

1072
01:17:28,830 --> 01:17:33,030
Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, there
was a bunch of award shows that

1073
01:17:33,030 --> 01:17:39,570
we went to, and ironically
enough, we were inducted into

1074
01:17:39,570 --> 01:17:44,250
the Canadian Canadian Music Hall
of Fame many years ago. And the

1075
01:17:44,250 --> 01:17:48,990
inductee was Bob Rock. But it
was in Vancouver at the Pacific

1076
01:17:48,990 --> 01:17:54,840
Coliseum rather than back east,
so it was just really timely and

1077
01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:59,760
all that good stuff. So, you
know, we have that to think

1078
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:07,380
about and to, to thank, you
know, that. And then last year,

1079
01:18:07,710 --> 01:18:11,760
June, we were inducted into the
British Columbia entertainment,

1080
01:18:11,910 --> 01:18:18,060
Walk of Fame in Vancouver, in
June. And then in September, we

1081
01:18:18,060 --> 01:18:24,360
were inducted into the Canadian
Walk of Fame in Toronto, but

1082
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:29,940
only Mike and Paul went. And we
had a gig the next day, and the

1083
01:18:29,940 --> 01:18:34,110
weather. Back east was really,
really bad. And they got stuck

1084
01:18:34,110 --> 01:18:39,210
in New Jersey trying to fly back
from Toronto to New Jersey, to

1085
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:42,780
Charlotte. And we had a gig the
next day in hickory wood with

1086
01:18:42,780 --> 01:18:47,340
night ranger at a casino. And we
never ended up playing night

1087
01:18:47,340 --> 01:18:51,570
Ranger ended up doing a full set
thing. So anyway,

1088
01:18:51,569 --> 01:18:53,909
man. Yeah, well, the other thing
that just comes to mind that I

1089
01:18:53,909 --> 01:18:57,119
wanted to mention was it seems
like you're an incredibly loyal

1090
01:18:57,119 --> 01:19:00,629
endorser forever with Yamaha
drums forever with Zildjian

1091
01:19:00,629 --> 01:19:01,049
cymbals

1092
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:04,530
very loyal.

1093
01:19:04,589 --> 01:19:07,919
I'm gonna get in trouble like
I'm a longtime DW endorser, but

1094
01:19:07,919 --> 01:19:11,579
they know and I'm just on a roll
here. I'm having a million

1095
01:19:11,579 --> 01:19:19,289
Yamaha artists. Some great
drums. Great drums. Yeah. I had

1096
01:19:19,289 --> 01:19:20,879
so how long have you been there?
30 years.

1097
01:19:22,319 --> 01:19:28,109
I signed a 91 Yeah, so 33 years
nice when I signed with Zildjian

1098
01:19:28,109 --> 01:19:35,129
and 81. So that's 43 years.
There you go. And Lenny do museo

1099
01:19:35,129 --> 01:19:38,129
signed me. Originally,

1100
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:43,680
he was a character right is like
hey, hey, kid. We want you to

1101
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:46,290
try this new Z crash. Okay,

1102
01:19:46,350 --> 01:19:52,230
it's the bomb. read his book and
everything to the whole.

1103
01:19:52,379 --> 01:19:53,549
Are you a remote guy?

1104
01:19:54,390 --> 01:19:55,050
Yes.

1105
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:56,490
Yeah. What and there you go.

1106
01:19:56,489 --> 01:19:59,099
They you know, it's I've been
remote for life.

1107
01:19:59,370 --> 01:20:02,790
And I Remote since 1995.

1108
01:20:03,390 --> 01:20:09,570
Yep. Yeah. I've tried all the
other companies, but I just

1109
01:20:09,570 --> 01:20:13,350
think remote is my sound. And
it's the soundtrack of my life

1110
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:18,990
of all those early drummers we
were speaking about earlier in

1111
01:20:18,990 --> 01:20:24,480
the program. You know, it's it's
the sound for me. And

1112
01:20:25,770 --> 01:20:27,210
anyway, me too.

1113
01:20:27,630 --> 01:20:34,290
I'm playing Vader. drumsticks
Nice. Since 94 or 95. Early on.

1114
01:20:34,290 --> 01:20:40,020
Yeah. Yep. In the beginning, it
was collateral. And I played

1115
01:20:40,020 --> 01:20:43,230
these great big to be nylon
tips. Oh,

1116
01:20:43,230 --> 01:20:46,290
yeah. Cuz you're you are a nylon
tip guy is is a rare thing

1117
01:20:46,290 --> 01:20:51,930
nowadays. Yeah. So what's the
appeal? There? The brightness on

1118
01:20:51,930 --> 01:20:56,220
the cymbals? Correct. On the
rod. Nice. But here's the deal.

1119
01:20:56,220 --> 01:20:59,760
I don't hear a lot of right in
Loverboy music. Am I crazy? Or

1120
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:00,090
what?

1121
01:21:01,229 --> 01:21:06,539
There is a lot of Bell more
Bell. But in songs like, take me

1122
01:21:06,539 --> 01:21:10,649
to the top. Especially live. You
know that?

1123
01:21:12,810 --> 01:21:15,720
Oh, yeah. It's like dang, did it
get a ding ding God dang. did.

1124
01:21:16,410 --> 01:21:19,200
Good to get he kind of get on
that during that section. Right

1125
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:21,060
to that song. Yeah, yeah.

1126
01:21:22,710 --> 01:21:28,020
And Lady of the 80s has that
kind of parody Polish thing with

1127
01:21:28,020 --> 01:21:36,060
the bell and the snare? Return,
you know, and but take me to the

1128
01:21:36,060 --> 01:21:39,990
top as expanded live now, where
we have fact solo going into a

1129
01:21:39,990 --> 01:21:43,740
keyboard soul. So what's the
Doug Johnson feature in the in

1130
01:21:43,740 --> 01:21:47,760
the kind of about halfway
through the tune, which is nice.

1131
01:21:47,940 --> 01:21:52,200
And it just drops down to like
real quiet. And I get to play

1132
01:21:52,230 --> 01:21:56,880
like the ride like, kind of
almost, I won't say jazzy, but

1133
01:21:56,880 --> 01:22:03,480
just like ride and I've always
been a nylon tip guy. And I just

1134
01:22:03,480 --> 01:22:08,220
liked the extra ping and the top
end. So I started with with

1135
01:22:08,220 --> 01:22:13,320
collateral, the two B's and then
I did about a five or six year

1136
01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:17,880
stint with Vic Firth. And then I
went to Zildjian for a little

1137
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:23,070
while when they were making
drumsticks. And Johnny D was was

1138
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:27,000
shipping me out sticks. And then
I jumped to Vader.

1139
01:22:28,890 --> 01:22:31,110
Yeah, Chad. Yeah, yeah, and
chat.

1140
01:22:31,199 --> 01:22:36,089
And they take really good care
of me. And as they should. Yeah,

1141
01:22:36,209 --> 01:22:43,709
and I love the five B, and nylon
tip. And it's just a regular

1142
01:22:44,039 --> 01:22:49,289
five D natural hickory stick. I
don't have them do anything

1143
01:22:49,289 --> 01:22:52,889
special. You know, to them.
They're not a signature stick.

1144
01:22:52,889 --> 01:22:57,119
But I get my my signature and
the band logo on them. So they

1145
01:22:57,119 --> 01:22:59,189
stamp them, which is cool. Yeah,

1146
01:22:59,189 --> 01:23:01,949
we're both five beat guys, man.
It's perfect for the way you

1147
01:23:01,949 --> 01:23:04,379
know, we played five ages seems
like we're gonna go through a

1148
01:23:04,379 --> 01:23:07,199
lot of these, you know what I
mean? So it's like, yeah, yeah.

1149
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:14,610
On those years, when the band
stopped playing between late 89

1150
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:22,410
and 94, or 93, the group just
kind of parked the old Chevy in

1151
01:23:22,410 --> 01:23:26,610
the garage, put it up on blocks.
It wasn't like a bitter breakup.

1152
01:23:27,270 --> 01:23:31,080
Guys just wanted to do different
things in life solo records,

1153
01:23:31,230 --> 01:23:36,240
write differently, work with
different people, whatever, go

1154
01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:41,790
on a holiday, spend money, get
divorced, get married, you know,

1155
01:23:41,790 --> 01:23:45,480
whatever, you know, start a
family. So there was a break

1156
01:23:45,480 --> 01:23:51,060
there. And that was a good 10
years of of going hard.

1157
01:23:51,570 --> 01:23:59,130
Especially from like 80 to, you
know, 89 supporting five studio

1158
01:23:59,130 --> 01:24:05,520
records and hits, you know, so
guys just wanted to, you know,

1159
01:24:05,550 --> 01:24:10,110
do their own thing. And I played
on Mike's sub first solo record,

1160
01:24:10,230 --> 01:24:13,830
the whole the whole record. He
just hired me to come in. And I

1161
01:24:13,830 --> 01:24:17,220
played on Paul's solo stuff. And

1162
01:24:17,670 --> 01:24:20,010
I play on the big tom tom
Cochran song.

1163
01:24:20,790 --> 01:24:24,120
I did not Mickey curry. Oh, it's
Mickey. Okay, well, you're on

1164
01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:28,290
Mad Mad World down in Memphis
with Joe Hardy. Oh, yeah. Okay.

1165
01:24:28,440 --> 01:24:34,920
And spider can Sunniva our bass
player was was with Tom then. He

1166
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:40,290
was in the red Ryder. So he
recorded on that track. So that

1167
01:24:40,710 --> 01:24:45,750
Dickey on the whole album.
Brilliant, good friend and great

1168
01:24:45,750 --> 01:24:46,440
drummer.

1169
01:24:46,589 --> 01:24:50,459
I mean, I love Mickey. He was on
the show. And I just I just love

1170
01:24:50,459 --> 01:24:53,699
that he's a he grew up in
Guilford, Connecticut. And he

1171
01:24:53,699 --> 01:24:55,859
still lives in Guilford,
Connecticut. Yeah.

1172
01:24:56,670 --> 01:25:01,020
Wallen oats, you know, and
Jonathan Wilson. Our management

1173
01:25:01,530 --> 01:25:04,200
has Hall notes now the new home

1174
01:25:04,739 --> 01:25:07,619
and greatest that Hall and Oates
as they call it, acquits man.

1175
01:25:08,189 --> 01:25:12,149
Yeah, that's so crazy to think.
But we still are Brooks and

1176
01:25:12,149 --> 01:25:15,809
Dunn. It's the it's the country,
the hall notes. And then the

1177
01:25:15,809 --> 01:25:17,759
other thing that has happened
recently that I cannot even

1178
01:25:17,759 --> 01:25:19,829
believe because you mentioned
saxophone Can you believe we

1179
01:25:19,829 --> 01:25:23,699
lost David Sanborn man the
greatest one of the greatest

1180
01:25:23,699 --> 01:25:30,389
saxophone tones of instantly
recognizable man, a big fan. I

1181
01:25:30,389 --> 01:25:35,579
was a big fan man. What was the
cowbell on gang gang gang?

1182
01:25:35,609 --> 01:25:41,099
Black. You got it. Oh, ladies
and gentlemen. Matt is in his

1183
01:25:41,099 --> 01:25:45,449
studio and he's going to there
it is. It's a it's a silver I

1184
01:25:45,449 --> 01:25:47,249
don't know what the brand is.
But it's covered in duct tape.

1185
01:25:47,700 --> 01:25:52,290
It's it's an LP called a deluxe.
And they don't make it anymore.

1186
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:58,290
Don't get rid of that. It No.
And it's got the old brace and

1187
01:25:58,290 --> 01:26:02,070
it's been welded a million
freakin times.

1188
01:26:03,149 --> 01:26:05,729
Are you still playing it live or
no, it's it now. It's like a

1189
01:26:05,729 --> 01:26:06,449
museum piece.

1190
01:26:06,449 --> 01:26:10,019
No, it's a museum piece. Now.
It's got all the old gaffer on

1191
01:26:10,019 --> 01:26:10,559
it. You know,

1192
01:26:11,010 --> 01:26:13,050
I've had many cables that look
like that. Because that's not

1193
01:26:13,050 --> 01:26:16,110
even gaffer. That's, that's just
electrical tape, I

1194
01:26:16,110 --> 01:26:20,190
think. Right? Which is extra
sticking? Just gaffer tape.

1195
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:20,850
Tape.

1196
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:25,080
Yeah, man. So you usually will
end up things with the Fave

1197
01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:28,920
Five. And I usually like to ask
people what their favorite

1198
01:26:29,790 --> 01:26:43,590
color is. I played LP for a long
time. until 2022, when I met

1199
01:26:43,620 --> 01:26:48,510
Mark Petruzzelli, who's taught
Zuckerman's drum tech. Yes, he

1200
01:26:48,510 --> 01:26:50,580
also works with Toka.

1201
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:58,500
And, and Grover now, which is TM
RM Rmi. Music. Yeah.

1202
01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:04,170
Yeah. So he came to me just in a
relaxed session after you know,

1203
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:09,090
after our soundcheck and, and
that break before we would hit

1204
01:27:09,090 --> 01:27:13,050
the stage, you know, rate rate
around dinner, and catering and

1205
01:27:13,050 --> 01:27:17,250
all that. And he said, you know,
just, I'm a big fan, blah, blah,

1206
01:27:17,250 --> 01:27:21,330
blah, you know, and I just
wanted to talk to you, and

1207
01:27:21,330 --> 01:27:27,570
there's no pressure that would
you consider ever trying a

1208
01:27:27,570 --> 01:27:32,280
different cowbell. And I went,
actually funny that you ask,

1209
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:35,910
because I've been, we've been
trying, including management to

1210
01:27:35,910 --> 01:27:41,340
get a hold of LP, for almost two
years now, with no response.

1211
01:27:41,370 --> 01:27:41,850
Once

1212
01:27:41,849 --> 01:27:44,279
I can just get to the email
address. I'm an LP guy.

1213
01:27:45,540 --> 01:27:52,470
So it just seemed to have fallen
on deaf ears. So I said your

1214
01:27:52,470 --> 01:27:57,060
timing couldn't be better. And
so he laid on their cimbali

1215
01:27:57,060 --> 01:28:02,820
Bell, which was white with a
black logo on the sides. And I

1216
01:28:02,850 --> 01:28:06,000
put it up for soundcheck and
loved it.

1217
01:28:06,270 --> 01:28:08,280
So now you're Toka guy. No, I'm

1218
01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:08,940
a talker guy.

1219
01:28:08,969 --> 01:28:13,079
There you go. Awesome, man.
They're sending me these

1220
01:28:13,110 --> 01:28:20,730
nice white kettlebells and I'm a
happy camper. And it actually

1221
01:28:20,730 --> 01:28:23,730
plays easier, especially in
lucky ones with the sixteenths

1222
01:28:23,820 --> 01:28:25,200
with one. Yeah,

1223
01:28:25,350 --> 01:28:30,240
that's awesome, man. So great.
Yep. Okay, so hey, I was gonna

1224
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:36,750
ask you what's your favorite
color? Black. Come on, we're

1225
01:28:36,750 --> 01:28:39,600
both wearing black. That's
classic and never goes out of

1226
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:41,580
style. Darth Vader approved.

1227
01:28:42,270 --> 01:28:45,000
What about your thumbs?

1228
01:28:46,020 --> 01:28:48,720
I almost every drum set I've
ever had in my entire life is

1229
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:53,610
either black or red or black
matte or black panel black or

1230
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:57,000
black sparkle, or red sparkle or
black and red sparkle. You know?

1231
01:28:57,000 --> 01:29:00,420
It's I'm not a yellow drum guy.
I'm never I'm never gonna have

1232
01:29:00,420 --> 01:29:03,660
lime green drums. I'm more of
like a solid color

1233
01:29:03,659 --> 01:29:12,419
guy. Yeah. Right. I tend to
swing towards sparkle drumkits I

1234
01:29:12,419 --> 01:29:17,639
don't know if that's just being
really retro. My first Yamaha

1235
01:29:17,639 --> 01:29:23,519
kit in 91 was piano black,
recording custom with Rock Tour

1236
01:29:23,519 --> 01:29:29,009
custom bass drums 22 by 18 long
with poplin for those three

1237
01:29:29,009 --> 01:29:34,529
years I drummed with him. And
then I sold the drum kit to a

1238
01:29:34,559 --> 01:29:38,339
recording studio in North
Vancouver Baker Street sound

1239
01:29:39,719 --> 01:29:42,179
because I was doing a record
there and I just left them set

1240
01:29:42,179 --> 01:29:48,479
up and on their downtime on
those four years that we weren't

1241
01:29:48,479 --> 01:29:52,589
working with Loverboy and I just
left the kit with them and they

1242
01:29:52,589 --> 01:29:55,379
ended up going while we love
this drum kit. And

1243
01:29:55,740 --> 01:30:01,140
now it's the house kids still
there but it probably is So

1244
01:30:02,639 --> 01:30:05,639
and then you know, Yamaha every
four years would send me another

1245
01:30:05,639 --> 01:30:10,379
kit. And you know, I've done my
best to collect them and you

1246
01:30:10,379 --> 01:30:14,999
know, sell them and you know
after four years or whatever, so

1247
01:30:14,999 --> 01:30:19,379
my my year is in Canada, so I
moved to the United States in

1248
01:30:19,379 --> 01:30:25,409
2008 to Southern California, and
go okay, the following year in

1249
01:30:25,409 --> 01:30:31,889
2009, I jumped on the Yamaha
American roster. So Greg crane

1250
01:30:31,919 --> 01:30:37,649
out in California is is my rep
with Yamaha. I'm playing the

1251
01:30:37,649 --> 01:30:43,499
hybrid Maples now. Beautiful,
and the kit that I toured last

1252
01:30:43,499 --> 01:30:47,699
year and the previous year with
REO and sticks last year with

1253
01:30:47,699 --> 01:30:56,219
foreigner was my orange sparkle
the hybrids 1012 1316 18 to 20

1254
01:30:56,219 --> 01:31:02,009
twos. Nice. The left 22 is a
dummy and I play a slave pedal

1255
01:31:02,039 --> 01:31:07,259
Yamaha's pedal on the right bass
drum beautiful and sights snare

1256
01:31:07,379 --> 01:31:13,139
and I managed to when they were
still making signature snare

1257
01:31:13,139 --> 01:31:17,609
drums I use the side snare drum
as it snares off like a Tim

1258
01:31:17,609 --> 01:31:18,509
barley sound.

1259
01:31:19,830 --> 01:31:22,920
Yeah, what is what is you second
call that it's like the reggae

1260
01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:24,960
drum he's got on the side there.
Yeah.

1261
01:31:26,580 --> 01:31:32,430
David garibaldi, the blue, steel
or brass. It's only about three

1262
01:31:32,430 --> 01:31:33,090
inches deep.

1263
01:31:33,300 --> 01:31:35,370
And how long? How long were you
in Southern California?

1264
01:31:36,089 --> 01:31:36,989
Four years?

1265
01:31:37,439 --> 01:31:44,249
Isn't it isn't a magical place
Sunday and 70 every day? Yes. I

1266
01:31:44,309 --> 01:31:45,689
was you ate you pay.

1267
01:31:45,719 --> 01:31:47,249
You pay for that magic.

1268
01:31:48,030 --> 01:31:52,020
You. You pay more than ever, you
pay more than ever. So I went

1269
01:31:52,020 --> 01:31:56,910
back and forth between LA and
Nashville for 10 years, but six

1270
01:31:56,910 --> 01:32:02,520
years very aggressively. And it
took a lot of my money, but it

1271
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:08,970
sure was fun. Yeah, yeah. Really
great. Where were you? Where

1272
01:32:08,970 --> 01:32:11,430
were you? Are you in Orange
County guy? Were you a Silver

1273
01:32:11,430 --> 01:32:12,210
Lake County,

1274
01:32:12,420 --> 01:32:18,300
living in Tustin for four years,
okay. Went down for ballet

1275
01:32:18,300 --> 01:32:23,730
training for our son and
daughter. Okay. And there was a

1276
01:32:23,730 --> 01:32:29,520
Russian Academy down in Mission
Viejo. And so we went down for

1277
01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:33,750
that, you know, son was turning
14 At the time, and he needed

1278
01:32:33,870 --> 01:32:39,930
male tutorship proper body
building and weightlifting, for

1279
01:32:39,990 --> 01:32:43,860
ballet for the stage not
sprinter or a football player or

1280
01:32:43,860 --> 01:32:50,700
a weightlifter. You know, and
the Russians teach the men how

1281
01:32:50,700 --> 01:32:56,610
to partner and hold a woman like
up on their arm and make it look

1282
01:32:56,610 --> 01:32:59,220
effortless, effortlessly. Yeah,

1283
01:32:59,250 --> 01:33:03,180
so that's a some incredible
strength. Still, graceful

1284
01:33:03,180 --> 01:33:03,840
strength?

1285
01:33:04,470 --> 01:33:05,550
Graceful strength?

1286
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:07,470
Graceful strength? And

1287
01:33:08,340 --> 01:33:14,340
yeah, that was in imperative
that yeah, it's that kind of

1288
01:33:14,340 --> 01:33:15,270
training. So

1289
01:33:15,270 --> 01:33:18,090
what do you what do you do so
you're a walker, you hit the you

1290
01:33:18,090 --> 01:33:20,670
just walk every day for your for
your health and fitness.

1291
01:33:22,170 --> 01:33:27,450
Ah, as much as I can. I have a
trainer here at a fitness

1292
01:33:27,450 --> 01:33:33,030
center, here in RX, in here in
Raleigh called RX wellness. And

1293
01:33:33,030 --> 01:33:37,710
I'm seeing him tomorrow, and
just kind of booked training

1294
01:33:37,710 --> 01:33:41,760
sessions like a little six pack,
and go there and work on my

1295
01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:47,760
stamina and we've had a pretty
quiet fall, winter and spring.

1296
01:33:48,900 --> 01:33:52,950
Mike had her ankle replacement
surgery last November, middle of

1297
01:33:52,950 --> 01:33:57,180
November, last year. And that's
that's a tough rehab, you know.

1298
01:33:58,470 --> 01:34:03,120
And I know because I've had two
hips, and you know, coming back,

1299
01:34:03,420 --> 01:34:07,140
because that's such a weight
bearing joint. And it's, it's

1300
01:34:07,170 --> 01:34:10,230
going to take some time. So
we've been trying to stay off

1301
01:34:10,230 --> 01:34:14,970
the off the stage and, and let
Mike just do his thing and rest

1302
01:34:14,970 --> 01:34:19,530
and get ready to rock this 2024
out.

1303
01:34:19,769 --> 01:34:21,749
I'm excited. I'm excited for you
guys. We're getting ready to

1304
01:34:21,749 --> 01:34:25,679
fight. I mean, we've been
flirting you know, press award

1305
01:34:25,679 --> 01:34:29,489
shows casinos festivals. But
then we're gonna get ready to do

1306
01:34:29,489 --> 01:34:31,829
the big Live Nation tour and go
boom, boom, boom in a very

1307
01:34:31,829 --> 01:34:36,359
compressed period of time. Yeah.
Which which I love. But it's so

1308
01:34:36,359 --> 01:34:40,919
funny. What I what my band calls
that we call it surgery season.

1309
01:34:40,919 --> 01:34:46,559
So late November to early
February is surgery season. So

1310
01:34:46,649 --> 01:34:51,449
in the voice of the guy that
does behind the music, as the

1311
01:34:51,449 --> 01:34:57,299
band prepared for the 2024 tour.
They were easing into surgery

1312
01:34:57,299 --> 01:35:02,669
season. Yeah, it's like exactly.
Like we get all of our repairing

1313
01:35:02,669 --> 01:35:06,599
and gluing together done. Yeah,
at that time of year,

1314
01:35:06,930 --> 01:35:09,870
they'll see the doctor, the
dermatologist, the dentist, the

1315
01:35:09,870 --> 01:35:14,340
mechanic, you know, all of it,
it's trainer go do all this

1316
01:35:14,340 --> 01:35:18,300
stuff, because when you come off
that kind of grueling tour,

1317
01:35:18,360 --> 01:35:21,120
yeah, you're just knackered and
you're beat up, especially a

1318
01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:25,290
guy's like, at our age, you're,
you're in your 40s Thank

1319
01:35:25,290 --> 01:35:28,830
goodness, you know, and you guys
are still rocking it big, big,

1320
01:35:28,830 --> 01:35:32,460
big time, as long as you've been
there, you know, and admire

1321
01:35:32,460 --> 01:35:37,380
that. But, you know, the band's
like reo, you know, and, and

1322
01:35:37,380 --> 01:35:41,820
sticks and foreigner, you know,
like, you know, everybody's out

1323
01:35:41,820 --> 01:35:45,960
there, truck and enroll. And
then and going down the road and

1324
01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:52,050
doing great business. And that
fan base that was available.

1325
01:35:52,290 --> 01:35:57,030
After the two years of pretty
much dryness of COVID. Some

1326
01:35:57,030 --> 01:36:01,260
bands went out and 2021 and kind
of tiptoed around and night

1327
01:36:01,260 --> 01:36:06,030
Ranger and a few few bands went
out, but you know, it was it was

1328
01:36:06,030 --> 01:36:10,560
a volatile atmosphere out there.
Yeah. And, you know, the last

1329
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:13,440
thing you wanted to do promoters
were really nervous, because

1330
01:36:13,530 --> 01:36:16,920
they book a string of dates, and
then the band would get COVID

1331
01:36:17,130 --> 01:36:22,560
And then everybody would be off
the road. You know, and, you

1332
01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:25,920
know, all the tour buses and
stuff like that, like drivers

1333
01:36:26,010 --> 01:36:30,930
and that whole base to put a put
a tour on an audio and, and

1334
01:36:31,500 --> 01:36:36,030
lighting companies. You know, I
mean, when we went to start up

1335
01:36:36,030 --> 01:36:42,780
in for those four months start
June, July, August and September

1336
01:36:42,780 --> 01:36:46,380
with our own sticks two years
ago, we couldn't find a tour bus

1337
01:36:46,410 --> 01:36:49,470
for months and months and
months. All the tour bus

1338
01:36:49,470 --> 01:36:54,300
companies bailed out during
COVID. And all they lost all

1339
01:36:54,300 --> 01:36:59,850
their drivers who were driving
for FedEx or UPS or just being

1340
01:36:59,850 --> 01:37:05,370
at home, you know, and they sold
all their stock, so there was

1341
01:37:05,370 --> 01:37:07,950
hardly any buses to pick from.
That's

1342
01:37:07,950 --> 01:37:10,860
crazy. It's crazy with live
music is back. And it's better

1343
01:37:10,860 --> 01:37:13,950
than ever, not so much in
nightclubs, but in

1344
01:37:15,060 --> 01:37:19,350
big venues were bad. The fan
base was just rabid. Like when

1345
01:37:19,350 --> 01:37:24,840
we hit the stage like that June,
you know, was just packed houses

1346
01:37:24,870 --> 01:37:30,870
every night for four months with
REO and sticks. And every night

1347
01:37:30,900 --> 01:37:36,840
with foreigner last summer, July
and August. Awesome. Awesome.

1348
01:37:37,050 --> 01:37:37,500
Yep.

1349
01:37:37,770 --> 01:37:40,980
I tell you what, man, this has
been such a thrill. It's you're

1350
01:37:40,980 --> 01:37:44,310
such a great guy. It's such a
great musician. And I appreciate

1351
01:37:44,310 --> 01:37:48,660
the inspiration over the years.
And I will consider you a friend

1352
01:37:48,660 --> 01:37:51,630
man and I'm putting it on the to
do list to us for to all connect

1353
01:37:51,630 --> 01:37:54,420
we can get together with Chris
Cohen. You smoke cigars or

1354
01:37:54,420 --> 01:37:58,470
anything we can get together and
smoke cigar no watch the sunset

1355
01:37:58,470 --> 01:38:00,450
something. No, Chris. Yeah,

1356
01:38:00,450 --> 01:38:04,500
you know what? Chris is my other
good friend here. And when we

1357
01:38:04,500 --> 01:38:08,130
hang up, I gotta send him a text
and and say hello. Because I

1358
01:38:08,430 --> 01:38:11,250
kind of lost track. You know,
with him. We usually get

1359
01:38:11,250 --> 01:38:15,450
together for lunch at law farm
bakery or something and meet up

1360
01:38:15,480 --> 01:38:19,830
over and carry. You know, it's
been like two hours talking like

1361
01:38:19,830 --> 01:38:20,610
this. You know,

1362
01:38:20,639 --> 01:38:22,979
we'll do it. We'll do it. Well,
all three of us will do it. And

1363
01:38:22,979 --> 01:38:27,419
we'll it will close the place
down. Yeah. All right. Be crazy.

1364
01:38:27,419 --> 01:38:29,249
Well, thank you so much. And
hey, if somebody wants to ask

1365
01:38:29,249 --> 01:38:31,109
you a question, they want to
follow your career, they want to

1366
01:38:31,349 --> 01:38:33,569
reach out what's the best way
that people find you on the on

1367
01:38:33,569 --> 01:38:35,189
the web, you got a.com or
something?

1368
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:43,650
I don't want that for you. Off
The Grid, off social media for

1369
01:38:43,650 --> 01:38:51,000
five years. Just for personal
reasons, gotcha. Stuff that just

1370
01:38:51,300 --> 01:38:56,550
became Yeah, arduous out there
for me, and I just kind of

1371
01:38:56,550 --> 01:38:59,790
haven't gone there. But I will
just we'll just Loverboy

1372
01:38:59,850 --> 01:39:07,080
Loverboy band.com There's lots
of Instagram and Facebook, and

1373
01:39:07,290 --> 01:39:11,010
all of that. You can track me
down through there.

1374
01:39:11,100 --> 01:39:12,930
Loverboy band.com?

1375
01:39:13,410 --> 01:39:17,310
Correct. Knees boy.com Because
you don't want to go there.

1376
01:39:17,460 --> 01:39:20,610
Because we didn't get that
handle when everybody was

1377
01:39:20,610 --> 01:39:23,700
grabbing the dot coms. Way back
when?

1378
01:39:23,879 --> 01:39:25,499
Oh my god, it's a porn site

1379
01:39:25,830 --> 01:39:29,670
that went to a porn site in San
Francisco. That's really

1380
01:39:29,670 --> 01:39:32,970
really funny. Oh my god, that is
crazy. Man. Thank you so much

1381
01:39:32,970 --> 01:39:34,770
for your time, buddy. Really
appreciate it man. Thanks,

1382
01:39:34,770 --> 01:39:38,280
brother. God, ladies and
gentlemen. That was the math for

1383
01:39:38,280 --> 01:39:43,230
net word winning drummer from
Loverboy. And we appreciate you

1384
01:39:43,230 --> 01:39:45,810
guys tuning in. If you liked the
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1385
01:39:45,810 --> 01:39:49,890
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1386
01:39:49,890 --> 01:39:52,620
next time. See you then. Thanks
Matt.

1387
01:39:54,960 --> 01:39:59,790
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1388
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