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Welcome to NoOffice, a podcast about work, technology and life from a remote company perspective.

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In Nozbe, we believe that work is not a place to go, it is a thing that you do. That is why,

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since 2007, we run our company 100% remotely. In Nozbe, there is NoOffice.

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The NoOffice podcast is sponsored by Nozbe teams, a to-do app that helps modern teams do great things.

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Go to Nozbe.com to learn more.

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Don't cram plenty of people on Zoom.

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We're a simulated office all day long. You know, you probably are going to work from home.

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Hello and welcome to NoOffice, a podcast about work, technology and life from a remote company

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perspective. My name is Rafal Sobolewski and as always I'm joined by CEO of our

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no-office company Nozbe, Michael Sliwinski. Hello Michael, how are you

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today? Hello hello hello. Can you hear me well? Yes, I think we can hear you well.

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We had some technical difficulties before starting recording today.

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Yes, that's why we're starting late. But we will talk about these technical

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difficulties later in the show. Because for today we have some quite a

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few like small topics but important topics and we will talk about meetings,

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we will talk about the home office quality and backups and all that stuff

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and when some things don't work as they should. So we will be talking about all

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that very soon today on the podcast. I'm good but you know I'm getting ready for

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the 15th wedding anniversary... just kidding... 15th anniversary of

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Nozbe. For the Quinceanera! Exactly. So this is my eldest child. My daughter, Milena, she

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just turned 13, but my daughter's son Nozbe is turning 15 now.

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Daughter la appliçación. Exactly. So it's turning 15 now and we are getting ready for

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this celebration. We will talk about a promo that we're launching very soon. So it's all

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happening and we have big announcements as well and these big announcements require lots

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of work. So this week I've been just swamped with work, like really, really busy. And one

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of these days I just went to bed like at 11 o'clock completely, like I just, you know,

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destroyed. And then I woke up at 7am. Next day I was like fresh as a daisy. So it's,

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yeah, the moment where you see that like you just cannot hold any longer, it means that

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you need rest.

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Yeah, that is true. I feel the same. So yeah, and just yesterday I managed to finish up

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blog post about Nozbe updates in 2022. Yeah, and I was already late with the blog post

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because of all the things we planned. And of course, we didn't predict all the circumstances.

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It took more time than we predicted. So about this blog post, I just summed it up that in 2021,

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we shipped 46 updates of Nozbe teams, which is really great. And I just discovered our

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portfolio of options, but for listeners of this podcast, we talked about it in

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details in episode 32, Appetite for a Feature. And I updated the change

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log. So now our change log not only tells you what new features, new fixes is in

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each new version, each new update, but also what we are internally testing. So

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the features that are in the implementation but already in some shape

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that we are testing it internally on our dogfooding environment.

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And these are desktop apps for macOS and Windows.

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We cannot wait to ship it to you, to our users.

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And yeah, we needed to make sure that adding this native builds for Windows

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and Mac wouldn't add much complexity to our infrastructure, to our builds pipeline.

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so we can still be flexible and fast with shipping updates.

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And we are very close to do that.

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That's coming very soon.

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Share extension on iOS, finally.

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- I've just tested the last fix before the recording.

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we will ship it next week.

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So that's fine.

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reorganization, and you will be able

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to share project coil very soon.

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because of course I am iPad only and for me

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the iPad part of things is very important.

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because we almost had the share extension ready,

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because suddenly I am a part of four teams now

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suddenly you have to choose to which team

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you want to add this stuff.

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it was like single task, single task, single task,

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on my home screen of the iPad. And the cool thing is that over there I actually

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everything. So I can choose if I want a specific

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priority or everything, like Chuck Norris. So I prefer the Chuck Norris style on the widget.

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now we need the Mac and the Windows apps, and they are really good.

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and I think they're at the last stage of development, so very soon, very soon

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they should be there. And I think from our side,

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you always blamed me for promising people features and stuff, and

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working on something and it's already in the works, we can promise that,

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just think that this thing that we are building

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is not ready for shipping and we will just step back, for example, re-evaluate.

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we are pretty confident that we're going to ship it. So it's just a question of ironing out the kinks.

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really good fans of Nozbe, which we really appreciate. - What we learned from this year's trick is that

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it's okay to share what we are working on. The bad thing is to promise dates, release dates.

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episode, I was brave. I didn't say we are shipping the Mac version in a week or in February or

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whatever. I didn't say anything like that. I said we are shipping it soon. We're at the last stages

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of testing it. And this might be next week. This might be in four weeks. This might be in six weeks.

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Nozbe is supposed to be a trusted system.

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This adds additional kind of responsibility for us that we are shipping a trusted system.

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make sure that this trusted system works for you, that this is something that you can depend on,

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and not something which is, you know, half-assed. So that's why it's a responsibility that we take

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seriously. - Yep, that's true. And as you said, we will be celebrating Quinceañera, 15th birthday of

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Nozbe, and the celebration will start on Tuesday, first day of February, and a week later we will

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will stream product vlog live and we will show together, I and you, we will

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show together hopefully these new features. We will tease this Mac app,

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shell extension, iOS in action and some other stuff and answer all your

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questions. So make sure to check out nozbe.com/blog. The English

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product vlog is already scheduled there on YouTube so you can set a reminder

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There will be some big announcements for Nozbe personal users.

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There will be a special promo.

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but we believe that some users will be uncomfortable with the changes and stuff, which is okay.

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We tell you exactly how things are and then we can answer your questions sincerely.

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We will be really happy to answer all of the questions that are coming up and explain in more detail and nuance our path forward for the next 15 years or more.

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So we are preparing Nozbe for another 15 years or more.

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We want to be there for the long haul.

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We have been fortunate to have been a trusted system

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for so many users, tens of thousands of users

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all over the world for all these years.

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like really, really long time.

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that we have the foundation for the years to come.

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Can't wait to celebrate because that's a big milestone for our small company.

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And we maintain two beings that are still small company for those 15 years and still profitable.

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That's the idea.

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I still have a special filter for all the VC inquiries when they try to invest in Nozbe.

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It's almost an automatic response.

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All right, let's move on to next topics. Some follow-up. I see you have some follow-up on meetings.

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Yes. So again, as we discussed, I talk to customers.

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I talk to customers and if you would like to talk to me and you're a Nozbe customer, contact Nozbe support

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and tell them, "I want to talk to Michael." And they will schedule a call with me.

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So really, it's very complicated. It's a very long process to get a call with me.

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call with me. contact info@nozbe.com and tell people i want to talk to michael.

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This is the whole thing that you have to do. You don't have to

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send any stamps, you don't have to prepare your CV or anything else.

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Just tell them, "I am a Nozbe user, I want to talk to Michael," and then you will

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talk to me. So I'm looking forward to talking to you actually. So I talk to

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customers on Tuesdays and Wednesdays right now. Anyway, so I'm also talking to

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some friends and everything, and especially now with this transition to

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no office work, to people working remotely or hybrid, people have questions

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like how to do it right, how to get this done, how do we do it. And one of the

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things was about meetings. And I had a pushback from some people saying

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that, you know, these all remote meetings don't work very well, it's like better to

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have people in a conference room, in the same place, and all that stuff.

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thing was that here there's the nooffice.org/meetings, is my chapter

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on meetings of my NoOffice book, where I share that meetings have to be regular,

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optional, and well-prepared. These two things. And what I see is the

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well-prepared part is not being adhered to. Meetings are not well-prepared

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because people have too many meetings, they are not prepared for the meetings.

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They are still following the old rule of presenting a new idea on a meeting.

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Okay, we have some weekly meetings where we just hang out for a few minutes.

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but if we have a longer meeting, like a design meeting, or something like that,

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we have everything prepared well and advanced.

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when the meeting starts, everybody reads quietly the documentation

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before they start a meeting, so that everybody reads quietly.

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everybody is prepared. And this is a hack, I think.

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It seems like a school when we were the kids.

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busy that they haven't read the documentation, so at least then he can scold them and tell

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them to read the documentation before. And it's a good hack. And I think with this hack,

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you should start. That's a good hack. But it shouldn't be a habit because what I see

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the value for ourselves is that the documentation is prepared well in advance of the meeting.

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meeting every other Tuesday when we decide it's gonna go down, and then we have all the

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documentation ready by the end of Monday. So that on Tuesday, until Tuesday afternoon,

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everybody has the time to read it. And not only read it, they have time to comment on

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it. And this is for me, I think, the key thing, that we comment on it before the meeting.

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So we do the asynchronous communication, we comment on the part of the documentation,

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we comment on the whole concept that has been presented, we comment on all this way before

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the meeting. This way, when we have the meeting, we really don't talk about the big concepts

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anymore, we talk about nuance, or we fight about the whole thing, but everybody has had

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the time to digest the idea that's going to happen on the meeting. So for me, really,

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I think, and I don't know if you agree, Rafal, but I think the key is that the well-prepared

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part must be really policed. People have to be well-prepared. It's like the situation

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where I didn't read one of the pieces of documentation before the design meeting, and one of the

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design fighters told me, "So Michael, we're not talking about this because you haven't

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read it." And I was ashamed of myself that I wasn't prepared. But he was right. Why

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should we discuss something when I'm not prepared? Everybody has to be prepared. And

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I think this added value of comments before, like offline comments, comments before the

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meeting is just underappreciated.

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to acknowledge what is the topic of the meeting,

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Yes. So that's the thing that in my chapter, I'm going to update my chapter for that, because this is what we did.

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We decided that if we don't need the meeting, let's just not do it. Let's just not waste our time.

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But we decided we have to have a meeting at least once a month just to make sure that we as a team, as a design team, are together.

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can still talk normally, we still are glued as a team.

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whichever comes first.

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And that's it.

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when your team can comment on them asynchronously.

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to read it before and comment asynchronously,

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then your meetings first will be shorter.

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for the rest of your team

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really embrace the asynchronous communication more and have less meetings and shorter meetings.

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So that will be the first step. Be the example of asynch communication.

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Yeah, exactly. Be the change you want to make, right?

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Yeah. So that's the thing, that you should start with that. And you can publish everything.

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The good thing is to publish in a way that other people can comment before the meeting.

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don't send a PDF to people, because if you send PDF to people, nobody will comment on it.

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But you can just have a project in Nozbe Teams and then have a task for that.

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you can explain what you want to talk about, or you can just have a long comment of exactly what

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you want to do, and then invite other comments inside. So this way you have at least comments in

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So the agenda points are being commented on right there.

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where other people can comment on,

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like in detail on the whole thing.

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an agenda point and letting people comment on it,

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it's just brilliant already.

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- Yeah, and during the meeting, you can write down the notes,

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the conclusions from the meeting in each agenda point.

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like it's called meeting notes in the corporate world.

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the discussion is contextual, yeah?

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All right, so I think it's high time

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move on to the next topic on our list, to the next point in our agenda of this recording.

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Yep, that's true. NoOffice podcast is sponsored by Nozbe, the fastest way to done, it's said.

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Task-based async communication app for personal, family, and business use. Let's hear what Nozbe

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customers say about the product.

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We tried different project management tools for the first couple of years when I was with

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the organization I currently am, CCMA.

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And then we realized that we just need really one place where we can communicate, where

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we can share projects, where we can think in written form, where we can give each other

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feedback.

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So we tested a couple of different things and eventually we settled with Nozbe teams.

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And it's been really fun to see this software mature and just get better and better.

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The data security, I know the company is totally committed to improving the product.

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For us, it's simple.

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We have some members of our team who are very tech savvy and some who aren't as tech savvy.

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We did dabble in a couple of competitors and they were just too much.

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You know, too complicated, too many features.

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fun and attractive and enjoyable to use.

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It's fit.

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It's met that sweet spot.

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We're a nonprofit.

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It's easy to add members.

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I just added somebody yesterday.

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It was no big deal.

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It was not a big deal, you know?

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It just gives us a place to park everything

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We wanna cut down on interruptions during the day.

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that will help accomplish those two things.

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that we have as a small team.

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So another point of our agenda is follow up

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to my home office setup.

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I have some thoughts after using this setup

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who we talked about two weeks ago, now two weeks.

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So first of all, yeah, I miss 27 inch display.

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Like you using the SmartBook Pro as my main display

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and the full HD 24 inch display as a secondary.

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- Yeah, it's fine, but... (laughs)

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I will be buying.

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I think I have figured out which monitor to buy now,

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so I hope more updates on that in future episodes.

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about choosing the color of MacBook Pro.

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close to me on this tray,

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and it sits there with like at 45, 35, 30 degree angle.

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it reflects the silver area,

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reflects the lights into my face.

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It's not, it blinds me,

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but still I had to adjust this angle a little bit.

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No, you just have to listen to MKBHD, matte black, all the things, and just buy a matte black paint and just paint your new MacBook Pro.

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Just paint it in matte black and it's going to be fine.

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That's the idea. Anyway, speaking of black, I'm now back to using Microsoft ergonomic keyboard instead of magic keyboard because I sold my iMac already.

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I like it, but I think it's fine again.

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It's fine, but it requires another USB dongle to be connected to my MacBook.

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So it's not cool, but it's good enough.

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It forces me to write properly with each letter on the keyboard with proper fingers.

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because it's split.

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that forces you to touch type correctly.

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So there's no way to cheat.

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But these are two of my favorite words

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in the English language, interesting and fine.

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Like if you don't wanna say that it's just bad,

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it's like, yeah, that's interesting.

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for you to use something, it's fine.

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So you want to be politically correct.

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So like, it's fine.

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That's interesting.

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I see you have also have some follow up to Home Office setup.

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writing for... I'm writing a monthly column for i-magazine, our

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Polish lifestyle, Lili Polish Lifestyle magazine, and I have a

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proactivity column there. I write every month. I've been writing

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there for like 10 years or more over there. And the thing is

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that I was writing this month, I mean it's going to be on the

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1st of February, I was writing about ergonomics and automation of

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things. And what I appreciate about my home office is the fact

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that everything is set up correctly. So for example, when we record the podcast,

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everything is set up. I have my camera set up, I have my teleprompter set up,

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I have my light set up, everything is set up. So this is fantastic. So I don't have to

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like, every time we record, I have to fiddle with things. And by talking to other people,

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I know how many people are doing just that. Every time they have to do something that they are

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doing regularly, they have to just mount this, move that, they have just to

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to do lots of things before they do the thing.

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You should optimize your setup that it's really effortless.

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If you need to record, pom-pom, you're ready.

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This is how it should be done. You don't have to do anything else.

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And the more you can automate this, the easier it will be for you to do it.

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So that's my main takeaway. Just think about your setup,

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think about how you have things laid out and what can you do today to just improve the layout so that

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next time you have to do your thing it's all ready. It's all really ready for you.

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That's the gist of it. That's the most important thing I wanted to share today. However, sometimes

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technology fails on you. No way. Yeah, no way. Technology would never fail on us, right?

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everything works all the time. So one of the things I have here the teleprompter and I have the lights,

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everything is ready. And yesterday I was getting ready to record two videos for our Nozbe's 15th

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anniversary because of course as the CEO I have a few announcements and I decided to record these

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announcements in video. So what I did was I set up everything and I had everything ready and I had

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had the lights ready, everything was ready, and then the lights failed on me.

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The super Elgato lights just

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disconnected randomly from the Wi-Fi. And for example, there is the

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thing that I cannot turn them on by myself. There is no way

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I can just turn them on like, you know, there is no physical switch. No physical switch. No.

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You have to unpair them, pair them again, and maybe they will work.

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Elgato, the brilliant company Elgato, didn't think about it. They didn't think about the

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fact that you should have lights, you know? So that you should have lights that are just

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there and that should have a physical button in case the Wi-Fi doesn't work, in case things

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don't work. And I cannot tell you how much it has thrown me off. Like, I was ready to

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record. I had everything ready, teleprompter, all the text, everything. And then suddenly

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the lights didn't work. And I was like, I wasted like, I think an hour.

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Whoa. I think an hour of setting it up. It was just, you know, because I was trying the connecting,

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you know, the wi-fi. Oh man. So like in this moment, I appreciate when things just work,

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because in that moment it just didn't work. Like it was completely off. And it threw me off for an

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hour and I recorded it very late. And I was just, I was, and of course I was, you know, pissed off.

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I was really not happy about it. So these are the moments where you should think about the backup.

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So in that case I'm thinking about the backup right now. If I can have another light just in case

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this Elgato beautiful thing that presumably always works fails on me, then what should I do then?

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To make sure that I have still the lights and I can still record, like plan B. And this is the same

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what happened today with our podcast. So my internet failed. I don't know what's happened, but I

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but I couldn't reset the router before our meeting.

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So what we did, we decided to use the iPad,

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as you can see right now on 5G.

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And I'm using right now 5G on my iPad

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so you can see me very well.

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- Oh, you're using 5G.

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- Yes, I'm using 5G on the iPad.

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That's why the connection is so good.

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because this doesn't require ethernet connection.

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But the thing I wasn't prepared for

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was the fact that I didn't know how to put the tablet

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I wasn't prepared for that situation. So for me the piece of advice is this.

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First of all, set up everything perfectly so that it just works perfectly for you and you can really

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just turn on the things and just do your job. And then have plan B. If things fail, like if this

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fails, what you do? If this fails, what you do? And then when these things fail, then you still have

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have a plan B that it still can work.

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Like today we could still record.

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Like it was like inconvenient,

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but it's the quality of the video as you can see.

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- Very inconvenient.

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- Yeah, exactly.

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Super easy, very inconvenient.

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So that's the thing.

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So it did work and we could still record a podcast.

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So that's my piece of advice.

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Have everything set up and have a plan B.

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- Yep, that's the great advice.

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- Yeah, and great example how iPad is really a great device

452
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for being, you can call it plan B for many other devices.

453
00:31:31,900 --> 00:31:33,120
- Yeah.

454
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,840
- Because I remember many times when just,

455
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,560
there was a blackout or internet failure,

456
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:43,560
I always switch to working on iPad, on 5G or 4G actually,

457
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,120
back then, yeah?

458
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,340
And it was just like one minute to set it up

459
00:31:50,340 --> 00:31:53,740
or even less and I was able to continue my work.

460
00:31:53,740 --> 00:31:55,180
So that's cool.

461
00:31:55,180 --> 00:31:56,700
All right, speaking of iPad,

462
00:31:56,700 --> 00:31:59,560
I wanted to finally do a iPad mini review.

463
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:00,560
- Okay, let's do this.

464
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,860
- Yeah, because like lesson three,

465
00:32:02,860 --> 00:32:05,660
there is finally the four day work week

466
00:32:05,660 --> 00:32:07,580
is getting to the mainstream.

467
00:32:07,580 --> 00:32:08,400
- Yes. - Yeah.

468
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,700
And that's cool because we have Mighty Fly days

469
00:32:10,700 --> 00:32:12,000
for years now.

470
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,140
And what I noticed in the recent months,

471
00:32:15,140 --> 00:32:19,060
because I have this iPad for like more than two months now,

472
00:32:19,060 --> 00:32:24,060
I use it like mainly in the afternoons and on mighty Friday.

473
00:32:24,060 --> 00:32:27,460
It's my mighty Friday machine.

474
00:32:27,460 --> 00:32:31,540
Yeah, so now as I sold my iPad Pro with my magic keyboard,

475
00:32:31,540 --> 00:32:35,380
so my iPad mini is my only mobile computer and I love it.

476
00:32:35,380 --> 00:32:39,300
It just sparks so much joy when I grab it.

477
00:32:39,300 --> 00:32:42,980
And I can tell you, I use it like two or three times more

478
00:32:42,980 --> 00:32:44,920
than I used iPad Pro.

479
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,980
Yeah, the main thing is that it's form factor.

480
00:32:48,980 --> 00:32:53,060
It's so comfortable for use, to hold and use.

481
00:32:53,060 --> 00:32:55,220
I can take it everywhere.

482
00:32:55,220 --> 00:32:57,640
I can put it into my Nozbe hoodie.

483
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,220
I can put it into my jacket, into the pocket,

484
00:33:01,220 --> 00:33:03,460
into the pocket of my sweatpants even,

485
00:33:03,460 --> 00:33:08,460
to walk in the house and just don't with the iPad.

486
00:33:08,460 --> 00:33:10,580
And that's so comfortable.

487
00:33:10,580 --> 00:33:12,960
Writing on software keyboard is so much better

488
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,020
than on the bigger iPad, because in portrait mode,

489
00:33:16,020 --> 00:33:18,340
you can really thumb type.

490
00:33:18,340 --> 00:33:19,180
- Oh, okay.

491
00:33:19,180 --> 00:33:22,400
- Which is, yeah, which is very convenient and quite fast.

492
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,460
And you can even type with Apple Pencil

493
00:33:26,460 --> 00:33:29,860
on those small software keyboard with swiping.

494
00:33:29,860 --> 00:33:31,880
And that's also very convenient.

495
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,580
Yeah, one thing that annoys me and I think it's a bug,

496
00:33:34,580 --> 00:33:38,040
I hope iPadOS 15.3 will fix that.

497
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,520
I have to check that because I think yesterday

498
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:45,440
they released finally a production version of 15.3.

499
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,160
This when you are in portrait mode

500
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,040
and you launch a quick note window

501
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:53,120
and you have this small floating keyboard turned on.

502
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,120
The quick note window is on the upper half of the screen

503
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,080
and the small keyboard also.

504
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,720
So it covers the part of the quick note window

505
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,320
and you cannot move the keyboard to the down bottom half

506
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,720
of the screen in the portrait mode.

507
00:34:08,720 --> 00:34:10,880
Yeah, I managed to do it by,

508
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,060
I had to switch to the landscape mode,

509
00:34:13,060 --> 00:34:14,640
switch to the big keyboard,

510
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:18,840
And then switch back to the small keyboard and switch back to portrait mode.

511
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,320
And then I was able to move it.

512
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,240
There is some bug there.

513
00:34:23,240 --> 00:34:27,080
There is inconvenience there when I want to quickly jot down something.

514
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:34,400
But of course there is Apple Pencil so I can quickly jot down things with handwritten note

515
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:35,400
with Apple Pencil.

516
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,680
And I have applied Paperlike for the iPad mini.

517
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,080
And yeah, now it's a perfect notebook.

518
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:49,980
I use pencil and handwritten notes more than I used to do that on iPad Pro because now

519
00:34:49,980 --> 00:34:57,080
I can do it very comfortable when I'm sitting in my comfy armchair and holding iPad with

520
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:01,480
one hand and drawing, writing with the second hand.

521
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,580
Yeah, and pro tip for applying paper-like screen protector.

522
00:35:05,580 --> 00:35:12,200
I did it in the bathroom after the shower, so the humidity level of the air was really

523
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:18,200
So it reduces the risk of having dust get under the screen protector.

524
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:28,200
Okay. Yeah. And it was the first time I did applying this kind of screen protector without any air bubbles.

525
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:36,200
Nice. Yeah. So I was very happy. I thought I did a good job. And then I noticed a small piece of dust very close to the center.

526
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:37,200
Oh man!

527
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:38,680
But I didn't panic.

528
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:39,680
I didn't panic.

529
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:44,760
I just embrace it and, okay, let's use it for a couple of days and see if it really

530
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:45,760
bothers me.

531
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:46,960
And it doesn't.

532
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,000
I just don't notice it.

533
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:55,640
But when I focus on... because I know it's there and I focus on looking at it, I notice

534
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:56,640
it.

535
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,480
But most of the times I don't remember about it and just use it.

536
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,480
So that's really cool.

537
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:02,480
Yeah.

538
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,640
on recent two mighty fly days, I did my yearly review

539
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,520
just on the iPad, mainly on handwritten notes

540
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:11,720
in the GoodNotes app.

541
00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:15,880
Yeah, and I did it very quickly and I love the process.

542
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,160
So there's that.

543
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:21,880
And I have other piece of accessories for iPad as well.

544
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:26,440
So I have small folio-like third party case

545
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:30,480
and it's better than Apple's one because it's like this.

546
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,700
I will put also it as podcast chapter art.

547
00:36:33,700 --> 00:36:36,500
So it has this holder for the Apple Pencil.

548
00:36:36,500 --> 00:36:42,540
And when you put it inside the back,

549
00:36:42,540 --> 00:36:44,160
you don't have to worry that Apple Pencil

550
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,060
will fall off of the iPad.

551
00:36:46,060 --> 00:36:47,140
So that's really nice.

552
00:36:47,140 --> 00:36:50,540
Yeah, and as we talked in the recent episode,

553
00:36:50,540 --> 00:36:53,860
I have this mauve case on the back of the iPad.

554
00:36:53,860 --> 00:36:56,780
Yeah, and it allows me to snap the iPad

555
00:36:56,780 --> 00:37:00,720
to the wall mount or other magnet,

556
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:03,300
which is very handy in the desk setup.

557
00:37:03,300 --> 00:37:06,380
But also it's a stand with multiple angles

558
00:37:06,380 --> 00:37:07,900
for portrait and landscape mode.

559
00:37:07,900 --> 00:37:09,300
So that's really cool.

560
00:37:09,300 --> 00:37:14,300
And yeah, I can still put this smart folio like case

561
00:37:14,300 --> 00:37:20,100
even with this glued to my back of the iPad.

562
00:37:20,100 --> 00:37:20,940
- Oh, okay.

563
00:37:20,940 --> 00:37:24,540
- Yeah, it looks not perfect,

564
00:37:24,540 --> 00:37:29,240
But for the use case of putting iPad into the back,

565
00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:31,760
it's good enough.

566
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,100
Yes, so one thing, the disadvantage

567
00:37:35,100 --> 00:37:39,320
of this Moft invisible tablet stand is it adds

568
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,280
like about 23% of the white to the iPad.

569
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,660
So it's not so super comfortable to hold it in one hand,

570
00:37:47,660 --> 00:37:49,500
but still very good.

571
00:37:49,500 --> 00:37:53,520
Yeah, but it's not noticeable white difference.

572
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,800
However, on the other hand, this small folio-like case,

573
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,640
it's two times heavier.

574
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:04,480
So actually in the grand scheme of things,

575
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:05,800
it's not big difference.

576
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,960
All right, what else I have this noted here?

577
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,080
Yes, this is my main machine, of course, for reading.

578
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,080
That's kind of obvious scenario,

579
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,120
but it really makes a difference

580
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:19,880
because I finally caught up, well, at least on December,

581
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,480
I caught up on my retrader list.

582
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:23,320
- Wow.

583
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:31,440
Yeah, I use the service Mailbrew to collect all the sources like RSS channels, newsletters,

584
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,160
and tweets, and so on.

585
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:42,140
Yeah, and on December, I managed to code it up on Mighty Fly Days in January, not because

586
00:38:42,140 --> 00:38:46,720
I was doing here the review, but only because of that.

587
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:52,000
And it really helps me to reduce the Twitter usage.

588
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:57,520
not reduce in the time spent on it but now I only read Twitter once a day

589
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:03,640
because okay yeah I only have Twitter and actually Twitter and Instagram I

590
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:09,600
only consume it once a day on the iPad on my armchair back there I have this

591
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:15,720
nice setup by the window I have this stratum IKEA armchair very comfy and

592
00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:21,720
there are many flowers there so it's really nice nice climate and after

593
00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:28,200
3 p.m. I consume social media there on iPad mini. Yeah, and Instagram app,

594
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:34,760
Instagram doesn't have iPad app, but the iPhone version, it really, like the iPad mini is the

595
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:41,880
best iPad for Instagram iPhone version app, actually. It almost feeds the whole screen.

596
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:46,120
>> Yeah, but this is like really outrageous that they're still not offering an iPad app.

597
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:47,560
>> Yeah. >> This is so bad.

598
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,460
- Well, I have a clever shortcut on my iPad.

599
00:39:50,460 --> 00:39:54,740
So now when we have automations in shortcuts,

600
00:39:54,740 --> 00:39:58,360
I have the shortcut that when I launch Tweetbot

601
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:02,680
or Instagram, it checks if it's after 3 p.m. or not.

602
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:07,620
And if it's before 3 p.m., it just shows me the message,

603
00:40:07,620 --> 00:40:09,560
get back to work, lazy bastard,

604
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,120
and opens Priority View in Nozbeam.

605
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:13,960
- Nice. - Yeah.

606
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:18,960
So, yeah, and after 3 p.m. it lets me to open Instagram

607
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:19,840
or Tweetbot.

608
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,400
- Can you share this shortcut in the show notes?

609
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,680
- Yeah, yeah, I will add it to the show notes.

610
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,360
It's very simple.

611
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,160
- Yeah, I know, I know, but still,

612
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,280
but there's also this trick how you open the priority

613
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,040
in Nozbe as well, so it would be good.

614
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,440
It would be very useful.

615
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,920
- Yeah, and also for media consumption.

616
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:37,760
- I just don't wanna build it.

617
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,240
I just wanna copy your shortcut and that's it.

618
00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:42,920
- Yeah, that's very convenient, yeah.

619
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:51,320
And speaking of media consumption, it's also great for video consumption because its aspect ratio is

620
00:40:51,320 --> 00:41:00,760
14 by 9. It's the closest iPad can get to 16 by 9, actually. So for video, it's great. And I don't

621
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:09,400
use a YouTube app, just like you, but there is this vinegar add-on to Safari that allows you to

622
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:18,040
increase your UX level of using YouTube website on iPad, because you can predefine which is the

623
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:25,480
quality resolution of video that you prefer on iPad. Because many times on iPad when you launch

624
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:32,600
YouTube, you had to change quality because it somehow on auto settings it chooses

625
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:43,400
360p and so on. It allows you to choose it and to play it in picture-in-picture mode.

626
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:48,200
Okay, and speaking of video, there is FaceTime of course and Center Stage,

627
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:53,080
but I already talked that I use it with my personal trainer and it works great.

628
00:41:53,080 --> 00:42:00,360
Yeah, and editing the podcast on iPad mini in Ferrite recording studio. I did it already for

629
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,240
for three episodes, I think, and it's awesome.

630
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:09,240
However, I think that if we had guest on an episode

631
00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:12,480
or more tracks to be edited,

632
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,760
that wouldn't be so convenient on iPad mini

633
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,500
as on the bigger iPad Pro.

634
00:42:17,500 --> 00:42:19,300
Okay, one last thing I didn't mention

635
00:42:19,300 --> 00:42:24,140
is this Jerry scrolling effect on the screen.

636
00:42:24,140 --> 00:42:29,140
I did notice it right away, but I don't notice it anymore.

637
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,120
- Interesting. - When in daily use,

638
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:36,160
when I really focus on noticing it and,

639
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:37,920
okay, is there a journey scrolling there?

640
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:38,960
Let me see.

641
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,880
Yeah, then I can see it, but on daily use,

642
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,260
it's barely inconvenience.

643
00:42:45,260 --> 00:42:46,160
- All right. - Yeah, and also

644
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,880
the 60-hertz screen because I switched from iPad Pro,

645
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,760
which was promotion.

646
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,680
- Yes. - So yeah,

647
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:53,920
for the first couple of days,

648
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:58,180
I was noticing that it's not so smooth.

649
00:42:58,180 --> 00:43:03,180
And now I get used to it and it's not a problem for me.

650
00:43:03,180 --> 00:43:08,180
Yeah, that's the advantage of being over 30 years old.

651
00:43:08,180 --> 00:43:13,180
So you can get used to stuff like that.

652
00:43:13,180 --> 00:43:15,180
I'm sure you can.

653
00:43:15,180 --> 00:43:20,180
So for me, just a small update that today I'm going to publish,

654
00:43:20,180 --> 00:43:27,180
hopefully this episode on my blog, micro.steem, I'm going to publish the review of my MOFT wallet.

655
00:43:27,180 --> 00:43:31,020
- No. - And also just the whole history of me

656
00:43:31,020 --> 00:43:33,140
with the minimalist wallets.

657
00:43:33,140 --> 00:43:35,220
As I told you in the previous episode

658
00:43:35,220 --> 00:43:38,660
that when I was importing my old blog posts from 2012,

659
00:43:38,660 --> 00:43:41,940
I realized 2012 was like a very important year for me

660
00:43:41,940 --> 00:43:43,660
because I started working standing

661
00:43:43,660 --> 00:43:45,520
and I started being iPad only.

662
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,820
And it looks like in 2013,

663
00:43:47,820 --> 00:43:50,020
it was the moment I dropped a normal wallet

664
00:43:50,020 --> 00:43:53,500
and started being minimalist wallet, iPhone wallet

665
00:43:53,500 --> 00:43:56,300
kind of guy and it stuck until today.

666
00:43:56,300 --> 00:43:58,420
So I'm going to be writing about that.

667
00:43:58,420 --> 00:44:03,220
- Yeah, I remember we were both the fans of the MuJo case

668
00:44:03,220 --> 00:44:05,220
with a wallet for iPhone.

669
00:44:05,220 --> 00:44:06,300
- Yeah, I have the whole story there

670
00:44:06,300 --> 00:44:09,180
'cause I was using several different types of wallets.

671
00:44:09,180 --> 00:44:13,380
It started with the rubber bands of,

672
00:44:13,380 --> 00:44:15,820
it was Quirky crossover thing.

673
00:44:15,820 --> 00:44:18,960
And then later I was cutting out a wallet

674
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:20,420
from the silicon cases.

675
00:44:20,420 --> 00:44:22,500
Then I had the MuJo.

676
00:44:22,500 --> 00:44:23,500
There was a whole journey there.

677
00:44:23,500 --> 00:44:25,280
I'm not gonna describe it on my blog.

678
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,640
So @michael.steem, so stay tuned.

679
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,680
Yeah, but yeah, it's a thing.

680
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:31,720
- Yeah, it is a thing.

681
00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:33,840
Okay, so let's wrap it up.

682
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,640
So thanks for listening.

683
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,480
And what day is tomorrow, Michael?

684
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:40,660
- It's Mighty Friday.

685
00:44:40,660 --> 00:44:43,440
It's a Friday and we will be publishing,

686
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,720
and we will be launching a new page for that

687
00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:47,780
to explain what Mighty Friday is

688
00:44:47,780 --> 00:44:49,400
and what a weekly review is

689
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,080
and why you should do it on a Friday.

690
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:52,800
- Yeah, so do your weekly review,

691
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,760
plan priorities for next week,

692
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:59,280
and spend the rest of the Friday on learning something new.

693
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:00,980
Do have a great weekend.

694
00:45:00,980 --> 00:45:02,240
If you enjoyed this episode,

695
00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:05,480
please feel free to help support our podcast

696
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,680
either by sharing it with a friend

697
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,760
or leaving a nice review on Apple Podcast.

698
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,600
Or the best thing you can do, check out our nozbee.app.

699
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:16,620
That's it for today.

700
00:45:16,620 --> 00:45:17,680
Say goodbye, Michael.

701
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:18,500
- Take care everyone.

702
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And let's celebrate the 15 years of Nozbe together next week

703
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So stay tuned for our updates, stay tuned for our, you know,

704
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twitter @Nozbe or our twitter handles,

705
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and we will be celebrating 15 years

706
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and I hope you will be there with us.

707
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it's more than one third of my life dedicated to Nozbe,

708
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so it's a big deal.

709
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- This episode has not been created in the office

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because in Nozbe, there is no office.

711
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Your hosts were Michael Sliwinski and Raffa Sobo-Leste.

712
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All the links and show notes you can find

713
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on nooffice.fm/34.

714
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The whole production process of this episode has been coordinated in a project in Nozbe.

715
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Up.

716
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Control is good, but trust and transparency are so much better.

717
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Thank you and see you in two weeks.

718
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Remember to have a mighty Friday.

719
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