[Roscoe]: This is so lame, a whole entire draft day, and all we get is people getting drafted.
[Roscoe]: It's so lame. Nobody traded, nobody going up.
[Biehner]: Fire Batman.
[Roscoe]: Even
[Suthy]: Wasn't
[Roscoe]: Daddy
[Suthy]: a very
[Roscoe]: Dubas
[Suthy]: exciting
[Roscoe]: in Pittsburgh.
[Suthy]: draft though, like, this whole class is... Not that deep.
[Roscoe]: Okay, okay. I actually have a bone to pick with this draft man like before we
[Roscoe]: talk about the trade thing because you know what let's just get that out of the
[Roscoe]: way. The fact that nobody traded anything today is kind of crazy. Like everything aside
[Roscoe]: all the big names and all that. Dubus not trading down. Come on, dude, you do it
[Roscoe]: all the time and as soon as you go away you don't do it. I feel like I feel hurt.
[Roscoe]: I feel blue drafted.
[Suthy]: It was like seeing your ex-girlfriend walk up there. It was weird.
[Roscoe]: Yeah, and like, but like she's figured out her shit that, you know, it was the,
[Suthy]: It's doing
[Roscoe]: you know,
[Suthy]: a little better
[Roscoe]: you
[Suthy]: now.
[Roscoe]: know what I mean? She's doing a little better. She's got a good job, nicer guy. And
[Roscoe]: it's like, Oh my God, you know what?
[Suthy]: Promotion.
[Roscoe]: So, and she and she finally got rid of that, those ugly cowboy boots like it's
[Roscoe]: that one thing and that was dubious is trading down. But yeah, nobody gets traded.
[Roscoe]: It was kind of weird. But the bone I have to pick with the draft itself. Four
[Roscoe]: hours for 32 picks is ludicrous. It was like 722. And I'm like, we're still on
[Roscoe]: B'Dard. I get it, but like, we got 31 other players to pick. And then when the
[Roscoe]: second pick took another seven minutes, I'm like, what are we doing here? What are
[Roscoe]: we doing? It's not even like it's an exciting seven minutes. Like things are
[Roscoe]: going on that I want to watch. It's just, Buh.
[Suthy]: Yeah, I mean NFL takes about four hours NBA even maybe a little bit longer.
[Roscoe]: like
[Suthy]: All these drafts
[Roscoe]: they're
[Suthy]: are super
[Roscoe]: at least
[Suthy]: long.
[Roscoe]: exciting. They got to do something man, especially after the NHL Awards, the NHL
[Roscoe]: Awards, I couldn't even touch that. That
[Suthy]: No,
[Roscoe]: was,
[Suthy]: nobody cares
[Roscoe]: I think
[Suthy]: about
[Roscoe]: I got
[Suthy]: that.
[Roscoe]: five minutes. I'm like, nah, I just wanted to see who got, I don't even remember
[Roscoe]: which one I tuned in for. Oh, whatever.
[Suthy]: I'm out.
[Roscoe]: It was lame. It was always lame.
[Suthy]: Yeah, they're
[Roscoe]: But
[Suthy]: always lame.
[Roscoe]: let's talk about all this and all the leaves and all the stuff. Welcome back.
[Roscoe]: Welcome back to Leaps Late Night, Roscoe, Beener, and Suthie. Full disclosure,
[Roscoe]: this is the third time I've hit record on this episode because technology
[Suthy]: Ah.
[Roscoe]: hates me tonight. So we're just rolling with the punches. So you know, it's like you
[Roscoe]: get a second take at things, try it over. One thing that we don't get to try over
[Roscoe]: is it's going way off the board on a pick. We'll talk about the first couple in
[Roscoe]: a second here, but a lot of people have been asking on Twitter who is Easton Cowan?
[Roscoe]: And from what I can see, he is a centre. He is 5'10", and he was ranked anywhere from
[Roscoe]: 50 to like 100. So I mean, I get it. The Leafs only had a first round and like fifth,
[Roscoe]: I think, but this seems way off the board. So I'm going to make you guys talk about
[Roscoe]: him again real quick. Uh, who the hell is Easton Cowan?
[Biehner]: He's an Ontario boy from just outside of London and that's the OHL team he's a part
[Biehner]: of. With the franchise like the Knights and like they just churn out NHL prospects
[Biehner]: all the time. You
[Roscoe]: Like
[Biehner]: have the Hunter
[Roscoe]: who?
[Biehner]: Brothers. I don't know there's a
[Suthy]: We can enable a few.
[Biehner]: couple. Yeah there's this guy Marner. But no Marner, Kachuk, Domi. uh, Bouchard
[Suthy]: Tavares
[Biehner]: out in
[Suthy]: came.
[Biehner]: Edmonton. So yeah, you can go farther back while Tavares was more
[Suthy]: Yeah,
[Biehner]: of a general, but,
[Suthy]: true. They've been doing this for
[Biehner]: um,
[Suthy]: a while.
[Biehner]: yeah, the Knights of their incredible OHL franchise. You have a, a franchise like
[Biehner]: that. And then like last season he played seven games for them, right? This season
[Biehner]: he played 68 and he had 53 points. So Like, it's not like he was an absolute all-star,
[Biehner]: but it's not like he was a plug out there either. And then come playoff time, he's
[Biehner]: a point-of-game player.
[Roscoe]: What would have been second lines? What is he a right wing? I think.
[Biehner]: I see a little bit of everything. I see some reports showing him playing center,
[Biehner]: some reports showing him playing right wing. I think he was mainly wing for
[Biehner]: the Knights, but I could be wrong.
[Suthy]: Yeah, I see it as a left wing actually.
[Roscoe]: Okay, I don't know who else was on the Knights this year. I don't follow the juniors.
[Roscoe]: I don't really, I envy people that have time to. So would he be like a first line
[Roscoe]: guy there? Is he like leading this team or is it, is he kind of more support guy
[Roscoe]: here?
[Suthy]: You gotta think
[Biehner]: Ame.
[Suthy]: next year, you'll probably be higher up there, right? Because he's there
[Biehner]: Yeah.
[Suthy]: like your typical late bloomer.
[Biehner]: Yeah.
[Roscoe]: Yeah, I mean, the fact that he played what set you set seven games the year before
[Roscoe]: last.
[Suthy]: Yeah,
[Roscoe]: That's insane.
[Suthy]: he was
[Roscoe]: I mean,
[Suthy]: playing
[Roscoe]: I obviously
[Suthy]: Junior B
[Roscoe]: COVID
[Suthy]: most
[Roscoe]: and stuff,
[Suthy]: of last
[Roscoe]: but
[Suthy]: year. And I think it was the later half of this year too, where like he really
[Suthy]: started turning on it. Like Biner said, at 21 points and 20 playoff games, he really
[Suthy]: started to find his game. So I think Toronto thought they had a project in this
[Suthy]: guy, because he's not going to be playing for you for the next two, three years, probably.
[Suthy]: But at 28th in this type of draft, I think it was a pretty good pick.
[Roscoe]: I mean, if he's going to be somebody who shows up in the playoffs, like we can always
[Roscoe]: use those. I mean, if we're looking at locking these guys down that we have for
[Roscoe]: a couple, you know, long-term extensions that we'll get to later, you know, this guy's
[Roscoe]: development could still come within that window. So to have an extra couple pieces
[Roscoe]: that you don't have to try to trade for, because it seems like playoff performers,
[Roscoe]: you know, people that just show up for that time are kind of becoming the commodity.
[Roscoe]: So it'd be interesting
[Biehner]: Yeah,
[Roscoe]: to see how that one pans out.
[Biehner]: he's more of a speedy, like, cerebral player. He's very creative and very intelligent
[Biehner]: with the moves that he does make. Even like able to manipulate the gaps that
[Biehner]: defensemen leave and stuff like that. So he's not going to, like, I do not see him
[Biehner]: projecting out to be a top line NHL-er, but probably definitely a good middle six guy.
[Roscoe]: Okay,
[Suthy]: Yeah,
[Roscoe]: cool.
[Suthy]: solid second liner.
[Roscoe]: And I mean, really it's so tough to outside of the guys that obviously stand out
[Roscoe]: like the top, I don't know, five to seven, I will say, because Mitch Gov dropped.
[Roscoe]: But it's tough with the reduced seasons that these kids have had over the last couple
[Roscoe]: of years to really tell what's there. So the fact that, you know, he's had this late
[Roscoe]: bloom, I mean, late at 17, but it'll be, I think it's going to be a really weird
[Roscoe]: late. return on this draft for a lot of teams outside of the obvious view. So with
[Roscoe]: that, kind of strange, Fantilly didn't go second. We saw a little bit of a, well,
[Roscoe]: not a stretch, but you know, somebody, I think it was kind of unanimous that Fantilly
[Roscoe]: was gonna go second. Am I wrong to say that?
[Suthy]: No, he was heavily favorited to go second. I was actually gonna bet on Leo Carlson
[Suthy]: to go second, and he was plus 450, and I had a gut
[Roscoe]: Oh.
[Suthy]: feeling that he was gonna go second, and I didn't do it.
[Roscoe]: That would have
[Suthy]: Terrible
[Roscoe]: been good,
[Suthy]: mistake.
[Roscoe]: damn. But yeah, Mitchkov dropping all the way to seven. That was, it's gonna
[Roscoe]: be a steal, honestly.
[Suthy]: Yeah, not even the first
[Biehner]: Yeah.
[Suthy]: Russian drafted.
[Biehner]: That one just really comes down to how he's going to be able to come over, right?
[Biehner]: Like I believe he's under contract for another what, two, three years over in
[Biehner]: Russia?
[Roscoe]: Yeah, but I mean, yeah, they
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[Roscoe]: can get out of those things. They just gotta pay.
[Suthy]: little cash. Babs will toss them the room up that
[Roscoe]: Yeah, because technically
[Suthy]: sorry. Yeah.
[Roscoe]: the team's not allowed to pay for it, but like, they'll find a way. if they
[Biehner]: I don't
[Roscoe]: wanted
[Biehner]: know.
[Roscoe]: him, you know? But I mean, they're also tearing it down in Philadelphia. Like
[Roscoe]: they're getting rid of everything. So I don't think they're planning, like even
[Roscoe]: if the guy could play next year, it would be a waste to put him out there.
[Suthy]: Yeah, 100%. Like Philly is actually a pretty good place for him to land just organizational
[Suthy]: wise, because they are doing a complete rebuild. They've turned to the ground. And
[Suthy]: to Peter's point, if you're not going to see him in two, three years, and that's
[Suthy]: fine by them. They took a flyer on this guy and I think it's going to pay off.
[Roscoe]: Yeah, it's funny, the Flyers made this like last-ditch effort to try to bring
[Roscoe]: a bunch of people in and change it, and they went, nope, it's the team. We're getting
[Roscoe]: rid of all of you. You had one more shot, we'll give you a new coach and GM and
[Roscoe]: everything, new president. We'll get you fucking everything. And then, nope, you
[Roscoe]: guys suck. Pardon me. Other ones, so of note, the first four picks were all centers.
[Roscoe]: The quarterbacks of... the hockey draft. Obviously it's tough to come across
[Roscoe]: one, but it's always interesting to see how valuable they are here. But I'm also
[Suthy]: Yeah.
[Roscoe]: of note only eight defencemen picked in the entire first round and no goalies.
[Suthy]: No, I think with no real standout goaltenders or like number one or two defensemen, like
[Suthy]: you said, top four were all centered. You're going to take the possession that matters
[Suthy]: most. The defense that were picked are, you know, projected to be three, four,
[Suthy]: five even. So it's not terribly surprising to see that low count of defensemen.
[Roscoe]: Yeah, I mean, I said it before we lost our episode, unfortunately, but Montreal
[Roscoe]: and Arizona both picking defensemen makes sense just because of what they've already
[Roscoe]: got in terms of, you know, young blossoming forwards. There's no point in adding to that
[Roscoe]: because eventually you're going to have to pay them all. But at the same time,
[Roscoe]: I kind of the armchair GM and me would pick somebody maybe more valuable to trade
[Roscoe]: or just trade the pick. if you're kind of in that situation. I don't think either
[Roscoe]: of these teams are really hurting to develop a defenseman in a couple of years.
[Roscoe]: Like it'd be, it makes sense for them, but I think it would also make sense to trade
[Roscoe]: the pick for something that's maybe 20 already or 21, if you can.
[Biehner]: Well, like I mentioned it before we lost our recordings. With a team like Arizona,
[Biehner]: you have so many players that you're paying not to play, right? With the LTIRs and
[Biehner]: the contracts that they're eating for other teams, like those, they won't count
[Biehner]: towards the cap, but they count towards contracts.
[Suthy]: Mm-hmm.
[Biehner]: So you only have. what is it, 50 contracts that each team can have. So if you
[Biehner]: have these players that are coming out of your ownership basically, like where
[Biehner]: you have the rights because you drafted them and you have to sign them to entry level
[Biehner]: deals or whatnot, you don't want to have to give up on that player because you're
[Biehner]: working towards getting a younger player signed. So if you know that and you're
[Biehner]: drafting guys that... These guys aren't even going to look to come over for
[Suthy]: Yeah.
[Biehner]: two, three, who knows, maybe even four years. So as silly as it sounds, that
[Biehner]: may be playing a part in what the coyotes are doing because we know they're not
[Biehner]: going to be successful this year. They're multiple
[Roscoe]: The
[Biehner]: years out.
[Roscoe]: counter-argument I'll make to that is they have 32 of 50 contracts right now and
[Roscoe]: their roster size is 13 of 23. They don't have enough players. They have six forwards
[Roscoe]: and five defencemen, apparently.
[Biehner]: Yeah, but they
[Suthy]: Yeah.
[Biehner]: still need to fill those roster spots.
[Roscoe]: Well,
[Suthy]: Yeah,
[Roscoe]: that's what
[Suthy]: and
[Roscoe]: I mean.
[Suthy]: it's
[Roscoe]: That's
[Suthy]: definitely.
[Roscoe]: why wouldn't they trade the sixth overall pick for like players that can play
[Roscoe]: now. They've got so many picks. They have like something like 19 picks over the
[Roscoe]: next three years. I
[Biehner]: Cause
[Roscoe]: don't know.
[Biehner]: they'll just wait until free, like, you know, the second or third week in free
[Biehner]: agency and sign all the players that thought they
[Suthy]: Yeah.
[Biehner]: were going to get big paydays.
[Suthy]: And even finding the player who
[Roscoe]: guys.
[Suthy]: would be NHL ready to play on that lineup, like who wouldn't be insulated by any
[Suthy]: great vets or anything, that's incredibly hard to do as well.
[Roscoe]: So they've got $28 million of projected cap space. And
[Suthy]: OOF
[Roscoe]: I mean, I wouldn't say they're resigning any of these guys that they've got. So they're
[Roscoe]: pretty much gonna have free reign to do whatever they want in July 1st. So it'd
[Roscoe]: be interesting to see what the Coyotes do. I'm always intrigued to see if they're
[Roscoe]: gonna go for it or not, but we'll see.
[Suthy]: No, not this ear.
[Roscoe]: San Jose taking Will Smith forth though, that's exciting. I mean, I like San Jose. We're
[Roscoe]: always looking forward to what they're doing.
[Biehner]: I honestly thought they were going after Mischkov because they're still ages away
[Biehner]: from being competitive so they could have waited the time for him to fulfill his
[Biehner]: contract over in Russia
[Roscoe]: That's a
[Biehner]: before
[Roscoe]: good point.
[Biehner]: coming over, right? But
[Roscoe]: Um,
[Biehner]: good.
[Roscoe]: go on. No, I was going to go on to the ducks because they put out a cool Jersey
[Roscoe]: today.
[Biehner]: Oh, that they did. No, I was just going to mention that they were talking about
[Biehner]: in the broadcast that Grier's son is friends with Will Smith. So not that should,
[Biehner]: because it shouldn't factor into what you do with your roster decisions and
[Biehner]: your drafting decisions for an NHL team. But at the same time, he didn't just
[Biehner]: get a couple minute interview to meet this kid. He's potentially known this
[Biehner]: kid for years. knows what kind of character he has, knows what drives him, what
[Biehner]: motivates him. Like, that's potentially a steal for that team. They know him better
[Biehner]: than any other team would.
[Roscoe]: Yeah, it's one of those double edged swords I find where it's like, yes, you know
[Roscoe]: him better, but you're also putting all of your scouting, not all of your scouting
[Roscoe]: effort, but like you're putting a lot of resources into somebody that's kind
[Roscoe]: of taking away from, you know, if you were to put that same amount of time into
[Roscoe]: somebody else, you would, you know, maybe find that they're better. Like it's just
[Roscoe]: one of those things. You can spend a hundred percent of your time on one thing
[Roscoe]: and you'll know it very well, but... Is it necessarily the best? I don't know. We'll
[Roscoe]: see. It also comes down to the center thing. I think they just, you know, a center
[Roscoe]: is more valuable to take in the top five than, uh, than Mitch Goff, but man, that
[Roscoe]: guy's gonna really start lighting the league up in a couple of years, it's going
[Roscoe]: to be exciting. Um,
[Suthy]: Thank
[Roscoe]: brr
[Suthy]: you.
[Roscoe]: brr. I just wanted to show. So the Arizona or the Anaheim Ducks today. You see
[Roscoe]: this? A 30th anniversary jersey. Look at this
[Biehner]: I
[Roscoe]: thing.
[Biehner]: did.
[Suthy]: Oh, it's such a beauty.
[Roscoe]: Oh, the, uh, they got for anybody listening, it's the old purple and teal with
[Roscoe]: the, uh, the duck mask in the middle. It says Anaheim ducks, but it's got their like
[Roscoe]: new logo, just the bottom. It's pretty sick. And if you're watching, you can see it
[Roscoe]: says you buy it today and get 50% off customization. How much are these? What
[Roscoe]: do you think?
[Suthy]: Not terrible.
[Roscoe]: 180 bucks.
[Biehner]: That's pretty standard.
[Suthy]: Yeah.
[Roscoe]: Yeah, so you got that.
[Suthy]: I'm not dropping that in
[Roscoe]: Oh,
[Suthy]: late June
[Roscoe]: it's
[Suthy]: for
[Roscoe]: so nice
[Suthy]: the ducks.
[Roscoe]: though. And you got, it says Anaheim Ducks, established 2006. And it also says like
[Roscoe]: Mighty Ducks, established 93. It says Mighty in the neck. It's pretty cool. Pretty,
[Roscoe]: pretty, pretty cool.
[Biehner]: They're trying to gear that towards our generation that grew up with them and with
[Biehner]: the movie and thinking we now have expendable money.
[Suthy]: Haha
[Roscoe]: Well, yeah, that seems to be the trend, right? Like they're now directing it towards
[Roscoe]: millennials because we have the money to spend. Oh yeah, a Barbie movie at the same
[Roscoe]: time as all this stuff. That's not a coincidence.
[Biehner]: They think
[Suthy]: fuel attacked.
[Biehner]: we have the money to spend.
[Roscoe]: Are you guys gonna go see Barbie or Oppenheimer? What's your pick?
[Suthy]: Oh Oppenheimer,
[Roscoe]: Or both?
[Suthy]: I'm such a Nolan guy. But I probably
[Biehner]: Oppenheimer
[Suthy]: will
[Biehner]: looks,
[Suthy]: end up seeing both.
[Biehner]: I'll definitely end up seeing both. Oppenheimer looks so good and my wife wants
[Biehner]: to see Barbie and you can't go wrong with anything with Margaret Robbie in it.
[Roscoe]: I'm in the exact same boat, Banner.
[Biehner]: Hahaha
[Suthy]: ahaha
[Roscoe]: I'm so down. I did watch the trailer for Barbie, it's pretty funny.
[Suthy]: It looks pretty good.
[Roscoe]: Sorry if people didn't want spoilers, but the dream house and how they have her fly
[Roscoe]: down from the top of it into the car because it's somebody putting them in it. It's
[Roscoe]: so funny.
[Suthy]: Not to mention,
[Roscoe]: Oh
[Suthy]: like,
[Roscoe]: man.
[Suthy]: Greta
[Roscoe]: And
[Suthy]: Gerwig's
[Roscoe]: then...
[Suthy]: so good, anything she directs is... pretty amazing.
[Roscoe]: And they caused a worldwide shortage on pink paint and that's hilarious.
[Suthy]: Uh!
[Roscoe]: So I have to see what that looks like. Anyway, so moving on over to Leafs News, we
[Roscoe]: made two signings today. One of them Pontus Holmberg, two years, 1.6 mil, 800K a
[Roscoe]: season. What do you guys think of this? I mean, it's 24 and 800K a year for having
[Roscoe]: an extra guy to throw around. I don't hate it.
[Biehner]: So does this basically guarantee that Rhino's not coming back?
[Roscoe]: I don't know, why do you say
[Suthy]: No.
[Roscoe]: that?
[Biehner]: Matthews, Tavares, Clamp, Homebird.
[Roscoe]: I
[Suthy]: That
[Roscoe]: mean,
[Suthy]: is if you think Tavaris
[Roscoe]: I don't
[Suthy]: will
[Roscoe]: think
[Suthy]: be playing
[Roscoe]: Holmberg's...
[Suthy]: center again. Yeah, Holmberg's kind of
[Roscoe]: And
[Suthy]: be going
[Roscoe]: I don't.
[Suthy]: with camp. Like they're going to be vying for each other's job. Or rather
[Roscoe]: I think
[Suthy]: Holmberg
[Roscoe]: so.
[Suthy]: will be trying to get camp's job.
[Roscoe]: Yeah,
[Suthy]: He's more of an insurance
[Roscoe]: I think Holmberg
[Suthy]: signing
[Roscoe]: is going
[Suthy]: than
[Roscoe]: to
[Suthy]: anything,
[Roscoe]: be,
[Suthy]: I think.
[Roscoe]: he's going to be somebody that'll fill in if anyone's hurt, he's going to come
[Roscoe]: up and, you know, he'll be on the Marlies, I'm sure still. Like I just, I don't
[Roscoe]: see him being a full-time guy, especially at league men, they don't seem to think the
[Roscoe]: same. So let's see, is it a one-way? Probably.
[Suthy]: I didn't see if it was two or one.
[Roscoe]: Um, does not say.
[Suthy]: Why, Peter, do you think that's indicative that they're not gonna resign RRoyal?
[Biehner]: It's just curious that everything you hear, you know, this hour, yeah, Rhino's
[Biehner]: coming back next hour, no, he's not coming back. Like it's been so back and forth,
[Biehner]: back and forth, and then they go and lock up two other centers. Like I could
[Biehner]: just be, you know, reading the tea leaves completely wrong, but part of me kind
[Biehner]: of wonders in the back of my mind, well, has he told them, you know, unless I
[Biehner]: get... X amount of dollars, I'm not coming back to a point that you don't want
[Biehner]: to spend that, right?
[Roscoe]: So here's my galaxy brain of what I think is going on here. But first actually,
[Roscoe]: David Camp signs four times 2.4. I like this contract. It's right where we thought
[Roscoe]: he would sign. He's 28, get him till he's 32. I mean, the guy's fucking great. He
[Roscoe]: kills penalties. He shows up when you need him to. He's an overtime specialist,
[Roscoe]: damn it.
[Suthy]: He never misses hockey games. And with the cap going up in the next few years, it'll
[Suthy]: look good in year two and three and four.
[Roscoe]: Yeah, sucks it's only grown up a million this year, but.
[Suthy]: after that.
[Roscoe]: So my galaxy brain idea here is we just heard a report that Matthews is willing
[Roscoe]: to take a bit of a little team friendly discount in order to make the team better.
[Roscoe]: You know, a la Boston Bruins, you know, Brad Marshawn calling him out, I think
[Roscoe]: got him, got him a little, you know, especially after they lost again. So what I
[Roscoe]: think happens here is they can't really. make a clear offer to Ryan O'Reilly or get
[Roscoe]: back to him about what they want until they just figure out what they're paying Matthews
[Roscoe]: and Nylander for the next couple of seasons because otherwise it's just a one-year
[Roscoe]: deal for Rhino. And I think if they want to get him at a decent value, it's going
[Roscoe]: to have to be stretched out over a couple of years. And you know, you're looking
[Roscoe]: at probably a four or five year deal that they're going to try and get with them
[Roscoe]: to reduce the AAV. And at that point, you have to know how much space you're going
[Roscoe]: to have down the line, which directly impacts Matthews and Neolander. So I think
[Roscoe]: they're the more important ones to get out of the way first, and then you can
[Roscoe]: make a real offer to Rhino.
[Suthy]: Yeah, the domino affects the real thing. And like, to Miner's point earlier, the Toronto
[Suthy]: media has not had a great batting record with predicting what the Leafs are gonna be
[Suthy]: doing this past few years. They usually don't see what's coming. The reports are usually
[Suthy]: inaccurate or just taking while it stabs at the, in the dark. So I don't really
[Suthy]: take what they say with much of a grain of salt, especially like these days. Thinking
[Suthy]: about like the last trade deadline, they had no idea what was going on.
[Roscoe]: Yeah, I was just going to say thinking back to when we got Girodano, it was kind of
[Roscoe]: a, there was a couple of people talking about it. Like I know Freage said that it was
[Roscoe]: a possibility of one of the people they were going for, but I mean, we heard so
[Roscoe]: many names floating around that the Leafs could be going for it. But yes, this
[Roscoe]: was a year where they were finally going all in, you know, as we were told, at
[Roscoe]: least, maybe not have been the reality. But yeah, we never really know. We've heard
[Roscoe]: goalies and defensemen and forwards, and then all of a sudden it was Gio. It was
[Roscoe]: like, what the fuck? Okay.
[Suthy]: Yeah, even
[Biehner]: Yeah,
[Suthy]: right
[Biehner]: it
[Suthy]: now
[Biehner]: just...
[Suthy]: it's Hellebuck or
[Biehner]: yet
[Suthy]: it's
[Biehner]: again,
[Suthy]: Carlson.
[Biehner]: I have no...
[Suthy]: Go ahead, sorry.
[Roscoe]: Yeah.
[Biehner]: Yeah. No, no, you're all good. So they had like, I don't have any information
[Biehner]: behind that. It's just kind of me pondering here like, Hey, they just signed
[Biehner]: two of their centers. And wasn't it this season that Keith was saying, you know,
[Biehner]: you can't find holes in homeburg's game when he has him when he had them up.
[Suthy]: You definitely
[Roscoe]: Yeah.
[Suthy]: did say that or like
[Biehner]: Right, like if the coach
[Suthy]: something similar.
[Biehner]: is already trusting him like that.
[Biehner]: Yeah, like if the coach is already thinking that and you lock him up, in your
[Biehner]: mind, yep, there's my 4C. Because that's basically what you had him playing,
[Biehner]: 3-4C. And you have camp flocked up now, so there's your bottom two centers. Unless
[Biehner]: the plan is to put JT on the wing full time. Which, okay, I know people are talking
[Biehner]: about speed, but am I completely... Batshit crazy here by if you're complaining
[Biehner]: about speed and you're putting JT on the wing. Why are you putting Rhino a center?
[Roscoe]: Yeah, it's just, it's one of those things where it would be nice, but once you
[Roscoe]: break it down to the, how you actually make it work and what it forces, you know,
[Roscoe]: if you're pushing JT to the wing, it just, could you not find a better winger
[Roscoe]: to keep JT at center?
[Biehner]: right? His face-offs are great, his defensive side of the game is still great,
[Biehner]: and it's not like he's even that slow. He's never been the fastest skater to
[Biehner]: begin with. You don't have to be when you play the game a certain way.
[Roscoe]: Yeah, so I think if you're going to end up spending five or six, six and a half,
[Roscoe]: like on keeping Rhino, I think at that point, you might as well just see what
[Roscoe]: you could, let there's that much out there free agency wise either. That's kind
[Roscoe]: of the other side of this, but I think you can still make it work if you're not committing
[Roscoe]: that money, whether it's a trade or I don't know, at least don't have much to trade
[Roscoe]: either.
[Suthy]: they only do it.
[Biehner]: Like, speaking of the draft a little bit, I know this is completely random, but
[Biehner]: I've capped Friendly up and I just showed a clip of the Leafs making that pick.
[Biehner]: Did I miss something here, or was Brad Tree Living not supposed to be at the
[Biehner]: draft table?
[Suthy]: He
[Roscoe]: So
[Suthy]: was
[Roscoe]: that's the
[Suthy]: able to...
[Roscoe]: weirdest
[Suthy]: Go ahead, Jonny.
[Roscoe]: rule. He's
[Biehner]: Ha
[Roscoe]: allowed
[Biehner]: ha
[Roscoe]: to be there after Calgary makes their pick at 16th, because if he joins before knowing
[Roscoe]: all of Calgary's stuff and when they're gonna make their pick, then it would be interference.
[Roscoe]: So once Calgary's out of the way, then he can come over and join the Leafs, which
[Roscoe]: it makes sense. It's just like, wow. The things that they think of to make a rule
[Roscoe]: and the things that they don't, is beyond me.
[Biehner]: So weird.
[Roscoe]: Okay, so if we're looking at left-wingers available, UFA, it's like, it's not good. Like,
[Roscoe]: what do
[Biehner]: Yeah, like.
[Roscoe]: we, we've done this already. Are we getting JVR? Are we getting Thomas Tatar? That's
[Roscoe]: kind of it. Because the rest of them are Nick Richie, Pierre Engvall, Andreas Janssen,
[Roscoe]: and we've done this. Michael Bunting, like Josh Levo, Connor Brown. Like, we can
[Roscoe]: just bring somebody back. So it's going to have to be a trade. And in fact, there's
[Roscoe]: nobody to trade for. So we end up back at do we resign Ryan O'Reilly.
[Biehner]: That it's such a weird year and like with the way the caps going to be like nobody
[Biehner]: has any idea what the caps going to be in the coming years. But with how much
[Biehner]: it should have grown without the pandemic and then how close they are to getting
[Biehner]: the escrow paid off. You can even just look at the growth of the other big leagues
[Biehner]: in the time since the pandemic like
[Roscoe]: what's insane how stagnant the NHL has been.
[Biehner]: Absolutely. Yet another reason that we need to get rid of Batman. But we'll not
[Biehner]: get into that today.
[Roscoe]: And another reason that the Players Association needs to step their shit up, man.
[Roscoe]: Like I know they just got, what's his name, Walsh in there, but like, this is
[Roscoe]: them losing out on a lot of money. This is
[Biehner]: ton.
[Roscoe]: heavily impacting the contracts that are going around the NHL. And it's disproportionately
[Roscoe]: affecting like the middle pack. Like the guys, like we've talked about this, guys
[Roscoe]: that make anywhere from three to $6 million, it's... heavily affecting those guys
[Roscoe]: because teams can't afford those. You're either on a league men or your superstar.
[Roscoe]: Like there's no room for much in between on a lot of teams. And that's why you got,
[Roscoe]: what was it like 16 teams? That's they're going to be over the cap this year.
[Roscoe]: And there's not really anything they can do about it.
[Biehner]: Yeah, like,
[Roscoe]: It's hard until
[Biehner]: so.
[Roscoe]: it can't be, like...
[Biehner]: It's just everything's just so up in the air because of those factors. Like I
[Biehner]: know Rhino's getting up there in age, but do you get a little wink, nudge, nudge
[Biehner]: sign one year at 4 million and then we'll re-up you for four years at, I don't
[Biehner]: know, four years at 4 million later where you wouldn't be getting that in the later
[Biehner]: part of your career if you sign now, but when the cap goes up, it's not going to
[Biehner]: affect us as much. Like I'm literally no research behind that. Just throwing numbers
[Biehner]: out. talking point but.
[Roscoe]: Yeah, like realistically the cap should be what, 10 million higher than it is right
[Roscoe]: now. Like
[Biehner]: Easy.
[Roscoe]: it's insane. So going up another million, it's like. Man, it's like, you know when they
[Roscoe]: say every year if you don't get, what is it, a 3% or 6% raise or something with inflation,
[Roscoe]: you're like getting a deduction. It's like beyond that.
[Biehner]: Yeah, we should be pushing up and getting close to 100 million over the next
[Roscoe]: Yeah,
[Biehner]: couple years.
[Roscoe]: I've got cats scratching at my door. One sec, you guys can take over for a minute.
[Biehner]: We've already had enough of the Panthers, okay? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
[Biehner]: Like, I don't know what your thoughts are on it, Sadi, but with the way the free
[Biehner]: agency group is looking this year, like I'd love to have Rhino back, but it all
[Biehner]: depends on the cost. And then who could we get in without having to mortgage
[Biehner]: our future trading everybody and everything away
[Suthy]: You
[Biehner]: to get
[Suthy]: really
[Biehner]: the help? Like
[Suthy]: can't.
[Biehner]: we have NICE coming in.
[Suthy]: Yeah, you like your fingers crossed you have Robertson coming back to, right? If
[Suthy]: that guy can
[Biehner]: Yeah.
[Suthy]: stay healthy, that really changes like your middle of line order here.
[Biehner]: Huge, absolutely. It's so tough because if you talk to anybody in the media, the Leafs
[Biehner]: need defense. So everybody's always saying, get them defense, get them defense.
[Biehner]: Whereas what's really hindered us the last couple of years in the playoffs has
[Biehner]: been the secondary scoring. As
[Suthy]: Exactly.
[Biehner]: much as everybody wants to rip. Go ahead.
[Suthy]: Like imagine losing Nylander too, like how slow would Tavares's line be then? But
[Suthy]: if you can have him and Robertson say flanking him, then it maybe doesn't matter
[Suthy]: if he's that slow, right? Cause he's just going to be in front of the net. He's
[Suthy]: going to do what he does. Every year he's getting a little wiser. He's changing
[Suthy]: his game. But yeah, you're right. Like the defense isn't everything. I know the line
[Suthy]: scoring is quite important, especially with speed. And there's no one out there that
[Suthy]: you can just go target.
[Roscoe]: Speaking of Newlander, what do we think contract wise? Because that's getting
[Roscoe]: speculated about now, especially with some comparables. And I know we've tried to
[Roscoe]: come up with a comparable to him and it's not super easy, but we've just seen Timo
[Roscoe]: Meyer sign 8 times 8.8,
[Suthy]: I'm
[Roscoe]: Pierre-Luc
[Suthy]: sorry.
[Roscoe]: Dubois sign 8 times 8.5. Aaron Arn and Iron Arn. That was so hard.
[Suthy]: I mean, for this year, those are your comparables, aren't they?
[Roscoe]: Yeah, honestly, I think, Beener, you said 8.8 because it's fun, right? I think that's
[Roscoe]: what we're gonna get.
[Biehner]: Well, like, and that's like, I could honestly see that being something Willie would
[Biehner]: do.
[Roscoe]: Oh yeah.
[Suthy]: Yeah.
[Biehner]: Because he's so like, is aloof the right term for it? Like he's so nothing bothers
[Biehner]: him. Like just, okay, you want to give me a contract? Yeah, that's my Jersey
[Biehner]: number. Sure. Let's do it.
[Suthy]: Yeah, he's very lucky I go easy.
[Biehner]: Ha
[Roscoe]: Yeah,
[Biehner]: ha!
[Roscoe]: that's totally how his negotiation went last time.
[Biehner]: Maybe he just
[Roscoe]: It
[Biehner]: hated
[Roscoe]: was
[Suthy]: Yeah,
[Roscoe]: totally
[Biehner]: doobest.
[Roscoe]: cool. It just said, I'll sign whatever you put in front of me.
[Suthy]: if you can get it under nine, that's a whole different ball game. But I probably
[Suthy]: think it's going to be between nine and nine point five. And it is a different
[Suthy]: ball game, too, because Dubis had a lot more patience. Brad doesn't this time.
[Suthy]: If he's not going to get it done relatively quickly, he will look to move him. So I think
[Suthy]: Newlanders can't pass the factor in that as well. Does he want to stay in Toronto?
[Roscoe]: Yeah, and I mean, with comparables again, we can see what you could get for moving
[Roscoe]: him because we just saw Pierre-Luc Dubois not only sign but then traded. So, I
[Suthy]: They
[Roscoe]: mean,
[Suthy]: got
[Roscoe]: you're
[Suthy]: a
[Roscoe]: looking
[Suthy]: shitload
[Roscoe]: at
[Suthy]: for him.
[Roscoe]: a package that includes Gabe Velarde, Alex Alofolo, Rasmus Kapari, and a second round
[Roscoe]: pick next year. I mean,
[Biehner]: So.
[Roscoe]: I know PLD to Willie's not a complete one-to-one, but that's pretty close, man.
[Biehner]: I was going to say like, Dubois has a center. Centers always get valued higher
[Biehner]: as much as it shouldn't factor into it. Dubois was third overall. Willie was what?
[Biehner]: Eight? Seventh, eighths?
[Suthy]: Yeah, it's 70.
[Roscoe]: Like
[Suthy]: It's
[Roscoe]: seventh.
[Suthy]: somewhere in the top 10
[Biehner]: As silly as it sounds, that shouldn't factor into it, but a lot of the old school
[Biehner]: GMs are like, oh, I'm trading a seventh overall for a third, what the hell?
[Suthy]: There's also the fact that... Sorry, go ahead.
[Roscoe]: 8.
[Biehner]: No, no, that's okay. Like, I hate using the term. I hate using the term and I
[Biehner]: don't know him as a person. But he was drafted the same year as Matthews, and
[Biehner]: he's now requested to be traded out of two different franchises.
[Suthy]: That's what I was just
[Roscoe]: Yeah,
[Suthy]: gonna say. And he
[Roscoe]: and
[Suthy]: has
[Roscoe]: he didn't
[Suthy]: shifts
[Roscoe]: even get
[Suthy]: where
[Roscoe]: to go where
[Suthy]: he,
[Roscoe]: he wanted.
[Suthy]: not even shifts, like periods
[Biehner]: And like
[Suthy]: where he will take
[Biehner]: this franchise
[Suthy]: the complete
[Biehner]: that
[Suthy]: period
[Biehner]: he requested
[Suthy]: off.
[Biehner]: to be traded out of.
[Suthy]: Yep.
[Suthy]: One go.
[Roscoe]: Yeah, sorry, you're cutting out there, Sadi, a little bit. So we've seen a couple
[Roscoe]: trades go down here. Alex Newhook going for a first, second, and Gianni Fairbrother.
[Roscoe]: So I mean, like, PIX is also a thing. Realistically, if we're looking at contract
[Roscoe]: negotiations fall through, what are you getting in return for? William Nylander.
[Roscoe]: Like you said, he's not a center, he's a winger. But I mean, I think you could
[Roscoe]: get two guys and a pick, like a second. Is that like, you know, maybe one player less
[Roscoe]: than the Dubois trade? Like, is that crazy?
[Biehner]: We don't, like, we're not at that point. Like, we're not Winnipeg who's gonna
[Biehner]: have to be going through a rebuild. We, trading Nylander for two prospects in a
[Biehner]: pick doesn't do jack shit for us.
[Roscoe]: Oh, I'm not saying
[Suthy]: No,
[Roscoe]: it's
[Suthy]: I think
[Roscoe]: a good
[Suthy]: if
[Roscoe]: idea
[Suthy]: you're
[Roscoe]: and I'm not
[Suthy]: going
[Roscoe]: saying
[Suthy]: to trade them,
[Roscoe]: prospects.
[Suthy]: you might even look to do a one for one type of trade. I feel that's
[Roscoe]: Oh boy.
[Suthy]: the kind of the move that you would want to look for.
[Roscoe]: one that's already
[Biehner]: Hey.
[Roscoe]: under contract.
[Biehner]: It, it, the last time that happened for the Leafs, it kind of worked for us with
[Biehner]: JVR for Shen.
[Roscoe]: Yeah.
[Biehner]: Like at the time I hated it because I love Shannon. I've talked about that multiple
[Biehner]: times when he came back. It was awesome. But at the time JVR was a great ad for the
[Biehner]: Leafs.
[Roscoe]: Yep, that's
[Suthy]: Yeah,
[Roscoe]: true.
[Suthy]: because if you lose Nylander, like that hurts Tavares's line so much. It hurts
[Suthy]: the secondary scoring. You can't fill that in by having a couple prospects who are
[Suthy]: a year or two away. That's just, then you're banking on Robertson, you're banking
[Suthy]: on Knives. It's way too much of the chance for a team whose window is right now.
[Roscoe]: Yeah, I mean, obviously, look, we'd love to have him stay. I'm hoping it's under
[Roscoe]: nine. You get him for eight years. Like, that's going to be so great once this
[Roscoe]: cap starts going up. But man,
[Suthy]: Yes.
[Roscoe]: like I've said in the past, he has all of the arguments in his corner, especially
[Roscoe]: with leading the team in goals last year. Like his agent's got a lot of ammo to
[Roscoe]: come into this negotiation. And for living doesn't have the record of dealing with
[Roscoe]: them yet. So
[Suthy]: I mean,
[Roscoe]: we'll
[Suthy]: the PLD
[Roscoe]: see how it plays
[Suthy]: and the
[Roscoe]: out.
[Suthy]: Timo Meyer thing just happened. That doesn't help Newlanders camp very much for
[Suthy]: leverage
[Roscoe]: No,
[Suthy]: anyways.
[Roscoe]: the Timo Meyer one especially, particularly because he was just moved for a package, right?
[Roscoe]: Like at the deadline that wasn't, you know, something that he's not sticking
[Roscoe]: with the team that drafted him. So that one's, and I mean, Dubois too, but I think
[Roscoe]: that the Timo Meyer one more so because he was touted as such an asset at the deadline.
[Roscoe]: Whereas Dubois has been a bit of a, you know, like we've said, a question mark
[Roscoe]: and asking his way out of most teams.
[Biehner]: He couldn't even find a way to be happy and stay on a team that also employs
[Biehner]: his father.
[Roscoe]: I mean, to be fair, it was Columbus and Winnipeg. It's not like they're shining
[Roscoe]: stars of cities to live and play in.
[Suthy]: Mmm.
[Biehner]: I'd still rather that than Arizona.
[Roscoe]: Um, I wouldn't. The weather in Winnipeg sucks and the culture around the blue jackets
[Roscoe]: is not great, so... Like, you'd
[Biehner]: I
[Roscoe]: rather
[Biehner]: did.
[Roscoe]: live in Columbus, Ohio than in Arizona?
[Biehner]: At least you know your check is gonna cash.
[Roscoe]: Oh, I mean...
[Suthy]: You get to
[Biehner]: Ha
[Suthy]: play
[Biehner]: ha!
[Suthy]: in front of people.
[Biehner]: Yeah,
[Roscoe]: Let's
[Biehner]: that's
[Roscoe]: just say
[Biehner]: true.
[Roscoe]: DuPois is not gonna hate playing for the Kings. Like, I know he's heartbroken he
[Roscoe]: didn't get to go to Montreal, but I honestly don't think it would have been great
[Roscoe]: for him there.
[Suthy]: I wonder how heartbroken
[Roscoe]: Ugh.
[Suthy]: he is, really. Probably dodged
[Roscoe]: Again,
[Biehner]: Well,
[Suthy]: the bullet
[Roscoe]: I don't
[Suthy]: there.
[Roscoe]: think
[Biehner]: I'm
[Roscoe]: you
[Biehner]: sure
[Roscoe]: could be
[Biehner]: we'll
[Roscoe]: heartbroken
[Biehner]: find out in
[Roscoe]: going
[Biehner]: a couple
[Roscoe]: to
[Biehner]: of years.
[Roscoe]: LA. Yeah,
[Suthy]: Yeah.
[Roscoe]: when he asked for his way out.
[Suthy]: Exactly.
[Roscoe]: when he shows up in Montreal again before his contract's up.
[Roscoe]: What other, any other trades? We got Riley Smith moved, Ross Colton moved, Tyler
[Roscoe]: Toffoli for Igor Serengovic and a third round pick. Andre Schuster, I missed
[Roscoe]: that one for Andrew Agostino. So I mean, like there were trades today. It's just
[Roscoe]: crazy that nothing happened on the draft floor. Oh,
[Biehner]: Well
[Roscoe]: some
[Biehner]: those
[Roscoe]: of these
[Biehner]: were
[Roscoe]: were
[Biehner]: over the last couple days, those aren't
[Roscoe]: yesterday.
[Biehner]: today.
[Roscoe]: There
[Suthy]: Yeah,
[Roscoe]: were a couple today,
[Suthy]: new hook
[Roscoe]: but
[Suthy]: as well,
[Roscoe]: you know.
[Suthy]: going to Montreal.
[Roscoe]: Yeah, new hook, Mackenzie Blackwood going to San Jose for a sixth round pick. That
[Roscoe]: one was surprising.
[Suthy]: Super hot take by Dirty Bruder on that one too.
[Roscoe]: Oh yeah.
[Biehner]: super
[Suthy]: What did he
[Biehner]: hot
[Suthy]: say?
[Biehner]: take that I do not agree
[Suthy]: He's
[Biehner]: with.
[Suthy]: gonna win a Vezina one year? Shout out to Dirty.
[Roscoe]: Is that what you said? I'm pulling this shit up. What did he say? Hot take alert,
[Roscoe]: Mackenzie Blackwood will be a Vezna winner. Devils have been terrible with tender
[Roscoe]: since Broder left. Cockin and Reiner now Blackwood. It's not a bad tendy lineup
[Roscoe]: if Blackwood stays healthy and is good as I predict. That's from Dirty Broderer.
[Roscoe]: The other one here that was a bit of an eye-opener for a lot of people was we
[Roscoe]: were waiting for this huge St. Louis Blues Philadelphia Flyers trade to go down
[Roscoe]: and then it just ended up being Kevin Hayes for a sixth round pick. Kevin Hayes wasn't
[Roscoe]: at 50% retained too. Like...
[Suthy]: 50%.
[Roscoe]: I get it, they're clearing three and a half mil of cap space by retaining even 50%.
[Roscoe]: But like, man, it just shows how hard it is to get rid of contracts, like back to
[Roscoe]: this cap thing. Like nobody can take on anything. Like if you're stuck with a bad
[Roscoe]: contract, you're stuck with it, man. Arizona is not open for business anymore.
[Biehner]: Yeah.
[Roscoe]: Part N1.
[Suthy]: Like you have to think maybe he, the whole locker room issue, just they need a whole
[Suthy]: reset there. So if they were going to swallow 50%, something was up behind the
[Suthy]: scenes.
[Roscoe]: Yeah, it's three years of $3.5 million for a six round pick, man.
[Biehner]: Well, torts hate some.
[Roscoe]: Yeah, we know it's insane.
[Suthy]: Oh, 100%.
[Roscoe]: Oh, and fuck, Taylor Hall and Nick Foligno go to Chicago to play with Bernard.
[Roscoe]: That's.
[Suthy]: Oh yeah, and then Felino
[Biehner]: What is
[Suthy]: gets
[Biehner]: this, the
[Suthy]: four
[Biehner]: trade
[Suthy]: sheets.
[Biehner]: deadline from two years ago?
[Roscoe]: Yeah, like this is, it's been exciting. I'm just like waiting. I know Leaps, we got
[Roscoe]: some signings. We got Camp back and Holmberg, that's cool and all. Signing David
[Roscoe]: Camp is actually like a pretty big one, especially for four years. I'm pretty
[Roscoe]: stoked on that. But I don't know, I'm just waiting for... for Big Bad Brad to
[Roscoe]: pull the trigger on something.
[Suthy]: You're not going to see anything until the whole Austin Matthews domino falls.
[Roscoe]: Yeah. Oh, Connor Ingram signing three times of 1.95, speaking of Arizona, that's
[Roscoe]: a pretty good deal, I think. They've got a good tendy duo for a team that wants
[Roscoe]: to not be good.
[Suthy]: Trade bait
[Biehner]: Yeah,
[Suthy]: at the
[Biehner]: well
[Suthy]: deadline.
[Biehner]: we-
[Biehner]: or Vimalca's trade bait, I think you could get a great return for Vimalca.
[Roscoe]: No kidding. Fuck. I want him. Can we get him please to the Leafs? I'm gonna keep
[Biehner]: Isn't
[Roscoe]: saying
[Biehner]: that
[Roscoe]: that.
[Biehner]: another weird one? How ridiculously quiet it's been on the whole Samsonov front?
[Roscoe]: There has been, again, since our last episode, we talked about, like, no one's talking
[Roscoe]: about goalies. Still, we have no idea who's gonna play in head. I'm hearing Hellebuck
[Roscoe]: to, was it Jersey,
[Suthy]: Jersey,
[Roscoe]: I think?
[Suthy]: Buffalo was rumbling around.
[Roscoe]: Yeah, so like there's no rumours of goalies going to the Leaf, so I have no idea
[Roscoe]: what their plan is there. I guess it's pretty hard to pick up on rumours when
[Roscoe]: Brad's coming in and probably, you know, locking down info and it's, you know,
[Roscoe]: people don't want to leak stuff on the new guy, so...
[Suthy]: Leafs run a tight shit, man. It's hard getting anything out of them.
[Roscoe]: Yeah. One more signing I wanted to talk about. I know he's the captain, but Jordan
[Roscoe]: Stahl signs four years, 2.9 in Carolina. He's 34. I get it, but is this really something
[Roscoe]: that's gonna, I don't know, is this just something because he's the captain? Am
[Roscoe]: I missing something here? The Stahls are not contributing that much anymore.
[Biehner]: I was going to say, I think this it's kind of a little of column A, a little
[Biehner]: of column B. Like I think there's a little bit of a legacy contract factor built
[Biehner]: in there.
[Roscoe]: I'm surprised he's only 34 to be honest.
[Biehner]: Yeah,
[Suthy]: same.
[Biehner]: but of all three of the Stahl brothers, like, Jordan's really... Like, Mark had a decent
[Biehner]: playoffs on defense, but Jordan's really the one of the three that you would
[Biehner]: still want playing a full-time role in your lineup.
[Roscoe]: Yeah, I don't know, 2.9 for what's probably what your, what does he play, third
[Roscoe]: line center, second?
[Biehner]: Ideally you would want him to be your third, I believe.
[Suthy]: Yeah, I think he jumps between the two.
[Roscoe]: Yeah, so I guess 2.9 for a veteran third line centre is not bad, it's just, I
[Roscoe]: don't know, when he's 38, it's just, that's what I keep thinking about. Like long
[Roscoe]: term for a 34 year old, like it's not that long, but fuck.
[Biehner]: That's what I mean, I think there's a little bit of legacy built in there, right?
[Roscoe]: has to
[Biehner]: He's
[Roscoe]: be.
[Biehner]: your captain, he's been there for quite a while, right?
[Suthy]: 100%.
[Roscoe]: Well, what else? We got, I think there was a question, but it was just who's Easton
[Roscoe]: Cowan. Yeah, Pragaria. Who's Easton Cowan? We
[Suthy]: No
[Roscoe]: answered
[Suthy]: one quite
[Roscoe]: that,
[Suthy]: knows
[Roscoe]: but
[Suthy]: yet.
[Roscoe]: we'll find out. It's a wait and see. So what else is on the horizon? Oh, NHL Awards,
[Roscoe]: I guess we can touch on. we want to pull those up. I didn't watch,
[Biehner]: Yay.
[Roscoe]: I didn't really watch
[Suthy]: Did
[Roscoe]: it. I watched
[Suthy]: anybody
[Roscoe]: it for
[Suthy]: watch
[Roscoe]: like,
[Suthy]: it?
[Roscoe]: I turned it on for a couple of minutes. I saw like Dirk's Bentley and Darius record.
[Roscoe]: I was like, I'm not watching this.
[Suthy]: I'm good.
[Biehner]: I've been kind of away the last little while. My wife has some relatives down from
[Biehner]: England, so we were up at a cottage, so I kind of tuned everything out, so I didn't
[Biehner]: watch anything, but I was getting updates on winners.
[Roscoe]: So Connor McDavid winning the heart and the news was that one single person who
[Roscoe]: we now know the name of, I don't need to blast them again, voted Connor fifth in
[Roscoe]: heart voting, putting pasta first and I believe Jason Robertson second and just
[Roscoe]: weirder from there. So like I get it, but like don't galaxy brain it that hard
[Roscoe]: man.
[Biehner]: No, like, McDavid was, like, absolutely the winner of that. Like, there was no way
[Biehner]: around that. But at least it wasn't someone astronomically off the board. Like,
[Biehner]: it's not like they went and said, I don't know, like, a reporter from The Leaf
[Biehner]: saying Nylander deserves it,
[Roscoe]: Yeah,
[Biehner]: right?
[Roscoe]: I know I get it.
[Biehner]: Like, at least pasta is at least a somewhat respectable choice.
[Roscoe]: Yeah, but then Connor's number two,
[Biehner]: should be,
[Roscoe]: not five.
[Biehner]: not fierce.
[Roscoe]: It's fucking
[Suthy]: Yeah.
[Roscoe]: crazy.
[Suthy]: Five is a bit
[Roscoe]: But
[Suthy]: wild.
[Roscoe]: guys, Bergeron winning his sixth Selkie trophy, like please, I thought this was gonna
[Roscoe]: be martyrs finally.
[Biehner]: legacy.
[Suthy]: He kind of feels like a legacy award. Everyone knows he's gonna retire.
[Roscoe]: Nah, fine, then we're gonna get next year. Ted Lindsey goes to McDavid. Eric Carlson
[Roscoe]: winning the Norris. This has sparked the debate again, as it always does, about
[Roscoe]: like, can we have an offensive defenseman award or like a defensive defenseman award?
[Roscoe]: Cause this is, come on, you can't be on a team that just picked third overall
[Roscoe]: or fourth, whatever it was, and also win the Norris trophy. Like the team is garbage.
[Roscoe]: Like
[Suthy]: It's
[Roscoe]: you
[Suthy]: a
[Roscoe]: can
[Suthy]: tough
[Roscoe]: score
[Suthy]: look.
[Roscoe]: shit. ton of points because you're the best player on the team by like a mile.
[Roscoe]: You also make like 11 and a half million dollars. So you had better. Like it's just,
[Roscoe]: it seems silly. Am I wrong here? Change my mind.
[Biehner]: I... I don't really have enough skin in the game with regards to Carlson to change
[Biehner]: your mind because there is no way, shape, or form he is becoming a Leaf.
[Suthy]: Ha ha.
[Roscoe]: Not at that price tag.
[Biehner]: No, but like I can see where you're getting at, but at the same time, even though
[Biehner]: his team's garbage and he's playing all those minutes, he's still got to perform.
[Biehner]: And it can sometimes be a lot harder to perform when you have nobody around you.
[Biehner]: So the fact that you can come back and win another one at his age is impressive,
[Biehner]: but I do completely agree. It's getting to a point where give it to a defenseman because
[Biehner]: they get a ton of points.
[Roscoe]: 101
[Suthy]: Yeah, that's true.
[Roscoe]: points, holy shit, I didn't even, I don't know, he cracked 100,
[Suthy]: It is
[Roscoe]: that's
[Suthy]: pretty impressive,
[Roscoe]: wild. 101.
[Suthy]: especially when it was a couple years ago.
[Roscoe]: but he was minus 26 and we're giving him defenseman of the year.
[Suthy]: Yeah,
[Biehner]: Yeah,
[Roscoe]: That's my point.
[Suthy]: that's the rub, right?
[Biehner]: that's exactly it.
[Roscoe]: Like he literally had his best season point-wise and his second worst season plus
[Roscoe]: minus-wise. Like that's a little silly. It's a little silly.
[Biehner]: Mm-hmm.
[Roscoe]: I mean, I know it's not a clear defensive metric, but like if you're a fantastic defenseman,
[Roscoe]: you're not gonna be on, like at 101 points, you were still on for more goals against.
[Roscoe]: Come on, come on, come on,
[Biehner]: Like at
[Roscoe]: come
[Biehner]: this
[Roscoe]: on,
[Biehner]: point you
[Roscoe]: come
[Biehner]: almost
[Roscoe]: on.
[Biehner]: just need to create
[Roscoe]: Come on.
[Biehner]: the Bobby Orr trophy and give it to the defenseman with
[Suthy]: Hmm.
[Biehner]: the most points.
[Roscoe]: It's what I've heard, it's what I've heard.
[Suthy]: That's not a bad idea.
[Roscoe]: Matty Penears taking home the Calder.
[Suthy]: Well deserved.
[Biehner]: I think
[Roscoe]: I agree.
[Biehner]: so.
[Roscoe]: Anjay Kopitar taking the Lady Bing. Linus Allmark taking the Vezna and Jennings
[Roscoe]: Trophy. And sharing it with Jeremy Swainman.
[Suthy]: Yeah.
[Biehner]: Well, the Jennings is just, it's awarded to the team with the lowest goals against,
[Biehner]: right? So that one was pretty much a no-brainer.
[Suthy]: 100%
[Roscoe]: Right.
[Suthy]: We got Jack Adams, too.
[Roscoe]: Yeah, Jack Adams, Jim Montgomery, obviously. Messier Leadership Award to
[Suthy]: Steven's
[Roscoe]: Stephen
[Suthy]: d-
[Roscoe]: Stamkowski.
[Suthy]: That's a questionable one.
[Roscoe]: and all of it. But McDavid taking home the Art Ross as well as obviously the
[Roscoe]: Richard. So he had a good night. Four
[Suthy]: headlinz2.
[Roscoe]: trophies. Yeah.
[Suthy]: Not bad
[Roscoe]: Yeah,
[Suthy]: at all.
[Roscoe]: there's gotta be a more interesting way. Like, let's roundtable this because it's
[Roscoe]: so boring. Like, who could host this that would be exciting? Like, what's a way
[Roscoe]: that you could present awards? Because I mean, it's not even just the IHL awards.
[Roscoe]: All award shows are fucking boring.
[Suthy]: I don't think you can.
[Biehner]: I think they've just made too much of a spectacle out of all of this.
[Suthy]: Yeah, I used to love when the NBA in the first round, that's when they would give
[Suthy]: the MVP out. It would be in front of the home crowd and it would be a big deal.
[Suthy]: And I feel you get more bang for your buck if you're doing that.
[Roscoe]: Yeah, it's, it's tough because, again, it's just awarding individuals. So it's kind
[Roscoe]: of, so many people don't have anything invested in it, you know, it's the same with
[Roscoe]: like movie awards and stuff and music awards. And we've just seen gear after year
[Roscoe]: so many of them. And I think it's just become overdone. Like I agree. It, you
[Roscoe]: almost have to find a way to have like an all NHL like summer event where there's
[Roscoe]: like some game going on and like during the game there's like little breaks where there's
[Roscoe]: like, oh, and here's
[Suthy]: Inadventia.
[Roscoe]: this award.
[Suthy]: I mean.
[Roscoe]: Like there should be some, some thing like, I don't know, because
[Suthy]: It's
[Roscoe]: it's
[Suthy]: hard
[Roscoe]: so
[Suthy]: to
[Roscoe]: boring
[Suthy]: when it's
[Roscoe]: to
[Suthy]: a
[Roscoe]: just
[Suthy]: runaway
[Roscoe]: do that.
[Suthy]: because who obviously everyone knew McDavid was going to win this. Everyone knew
[Suthy]: my grandma was going to win Jack Adams. So there was no mystery to it whatsoever. Everyone
[Suthy]: knew what was going to happen.
[Roscoe]: Yeah, there could almost be a way that they track which ones are, you know, everyone
[Roscoe]: knows who's going to win it and they kind of get those ones out of the way before
[Roscoe]: the game, this hypothetical game that I'm talking about starts. And then there's
[Roscoe]: like create a storyline around the other ones that people are, you know, less
[Roscoe]: sure about the ones that are more up in the air and get people's thoughts on
[Roscoe]: them. Talk to people like throughout intermission. Then at the end of the game,
[Roscoe]: so like, OK, we're going to announce who won, you know, the fucking heart trophy
[Roscoe]: or the Vezna.
[Biehner]: And that's the other thing, and like, good point, Sali, that this really, it's been
[Biehner]: quite a while since we've had a year like this where so many trophies have been
[Biehner]: pretty much slam donks. Like, really, you had Norris and the Calder. Pretty much
[Biehner]: everything else was spoken for.
[Roscoe]: Well, I mean, you had teams either going for the cup or racing for the bottom.
[Roscoe]: So it was kind of a year of haves and have nots. It was a good chance for a lot
[Roscoe]: of players to take advantage of teams trying to tank. So
[Suthy]: Yeah, you're not wrong.
[Roscoe]: you've got, you know, half the league, that's 16 teams, say two or three players per
[Roscoe]: team that are having kind of an inflated point year. Like that's, you know, a couple
[Roscoe]: of people are gonna run away with it.
[Roscoe]: Um, so what, uh, what's something outside of the signings we can close on this?
[Roscoe]: What would you like to see Brad do for our next episode here? Outside of Matthew's
[Roscoe]: and Newlander.
[Biehner]: Resign Shen.
[Roscoe]: Oh, that would be nice.
[Suthy]: Yeah, that's, that would be nice.
[Biehner]: I'm
[Suthy]: Uh,
[Biehner]: still saying.
[Suthy]: maybe something on a goaltender.
[Roscoe]: Something on a gold tender would be lovely. We've been hearing so many weird like,
[Roscoe]: oh, they're gonna buy out TJ Brody. Why the hell would we buy out TJ Brody? I don't
[Suthy]: Yeah,
[Roscoe]: get that.
[Suthy]: so
[Roscoe]: It's
[Suthy]: stupid. Um,
[Roscoe]: dumb.
[Suthy]: we need an assistant coach.
[Roscoe]: That's a good one. I don't know, I'd
[Biehner]: potentially.
[Roscoe]: like to see a trade just for the funsies.
[Biehner]: Um, Potential, I don't know how much truth there is to it, but talk that potentially
[Biehner]: Boudreaux would come in as an assistant.
[Roscoe]: That'd be cool.
[Suthy]: And it'd be interesting.
[Roscoe]: Otherwise, I don't think I have anything to do with history. History note you want to
[Roscoe]: talk about? Little hockey history?
[Biehner]: We literally just got back from the cottage today, so I do not have anything today.
[Roscoe]: Well, what about any draft stories? I mean, there's the Lindraus one, but I think
[Roscoe]: most people know that.
[Biehner]: How funny would that be if Badar... he's not going to, clearly. But you have all
[Biehner]: these
[Suthy]: love.
[Biehner]: players with Badar... or all these people with Badar jerseys already. All of a
[Biehner]: sudden it comes
[Suthy]: Imagine
[Biehner]: out that
[Suthy]: that.
[Biehner]: he's not going to sign.
[Roscoe]: Like.
[Biehner]: It's not, it's not gonna happen, but...
[Roscoe]: Yeah. Was that like known before the draft that like the Nordic had the first pick,
[Roscoe]: Lindrass was number one, he's like, I'm not going if you pick me.
[Suthy]: Yeah, his parents
[Biehner]: Aye.
[Suthy]: let them know that he was not going to play for the Nordiques. It was well known.
[Roscoe]: I love it, it's so funny.
[Biehner]: one
[Roscoe]: Oh,
[Biehner]: and
[Roscoe]: and they're
[Biehner]: the
[Roscoe]: still winning from that trade.
[Suthy]: I mean,
[Biehner]: And
[Suthy]: fuck
[Biehner]: before
[Suthy]: it,
[Biehner]: that
[Suthy]: like you're
[Biehner]: you
[Suthy]: gonna
[Biehner]: had...
[Suthy]: grab his rights.
[Biehner]: Yeah, before that you had Lemieux as well when he was drafted by Pittsburgh.
[Biehner]: He was not happy.
[Suthy]: True.
[Biehner]: Although clearly he ended up signing with them in the rest of this history.
[Suthy]: kind
[Roscoe]: So
[Suthy]: of worked
[Roscoe]: what did
[Suthy]: out
[Roscoe]: they,
[Suthy]: for him.
[Roscoe]: so the whole trade, two Philadelphia Flyers, Eric Lindros, two the Quebec Nordique,
[Roscoe]: Steve Duchesne, Peter Forsberg, Ron Hextal, Kerry Huffman, Mike Ricci, Chris Simon,
[Roscoe]: Philly's first round pick in 93, their first round pick in 94, and $15 million cash.
[Suthy]: What
[Roscoe]: That's
[Suthy]: a haul.
[Roscoe]: my favorite part. Here's just a fucking bag of money.
[Roscoe]: So, what is this? This is a part I was not aware of. There was a trade with the
[Roscoe]: Rangers that got voided.
[Biehner]: Yeah, depending on who you ask, the rangers say that they had a trade agreed to
[Biehner]: ahead of time, before that trade.
[Roscoe]: which was Tony Amonti, Alexey Kovalev, Sergey Nemchikov, James Patrick, either Mike
[Roscoe]: Richter or John van Beesbroek, undisclosed
[Suthy]: Oof.
[Roscoe]: multiple first round draft picks and $20 million. That's fucking
[Suthy]: That's so
[Roscoe]: crazy.
[Suthy]: crazy.
[Roscoe]: I didn't know that part of it. Man.
[Biehner]: This is how incredible of a player coming out of junior Lindros was.
[Suthy]: Yeah, the hype was fucking real about this guy. Same level as B'Dard, that type of
[Suthy]: thing.
[Biehner]: If not even more.
[Suthy]: Yeah, just because of his size and everything too, and like the way the Anichelle
[Suthy]: is being played at that time.
[Roscoe]: So they have a bit of the trade tree here. It only goes to like 2001 though, but
[Roscoe]: it says at the end of 2000, 2001 season, the Philadelphia Flyers had zero Stanley Cups
[Roscoe]: while the Avalanche had two. And Lindros sat out the 2000-2001 season. Wait, why did
[Roscoe]: he sit out that season?
[Suthy]: You can cast, I'm sure.
[Biehner]: Yeah,
[Roscoe]: After,
[Biehner]: I believe
[Roscoe]: nope,
[Biehner]: it was.
[Roscoe]: nope. Bobby Clark, who succeeded farewell as GM of the Flyers, feuded with Lindros and
[Roscoe]: his parents during his time with the Flyers. Lindros sat out the entire 2000, 2001
[Roscoe]: NHL season after rejecting a one year, $8.5 million offer as he demanded a trade from
[Roscoe]: the Flyers. The Flyers traded him to the Rangers in 2001. After he retired from
[Roscoe]: the NHL, the Flyers inducted him into Hall of Fame in 2014.
[Suthy]: UGH
[Roscoe]: That's the best part. He said, fuck your money, get me out of Philadelphia. They
[Roscoe]: put him with all of.
[Suthy]: Yeah, maybe
[Biehner]: Yeah,
[Roscoe]: Oh,
[Suthy]: Father
[Biehner]: there's
[Suthy]: Lindjos
[Roscoe]: man.
[Biehner]: been a lot
[Suthy]: wasn't
[Biehner]: of.
[Suthy]: the best agent.
[Roscoe]: So what, were his parents his agents?
[Suthy]: I do believe his dad was, yeah.
[Biehner]: And there's been a lot of reparations going on trying to fix that relationship because
[Biehner]: of what he meant to the city and to the fanbase.
[Roscoe]: I don't understand how you can get to that point between an organization and a
[Roscoe]: player. How do you piss them off that much that you're like, get me out of here?
[Biehner]: There's tons of players that demand to be traded. Just call up PLD.
[Suthy]: She'll tell you how it is.
[Roscoe]: Yeah.
[Biehner]: Yeah, he's got experience, right? Two teams now.
[Roscoe]: So the first round pick that Philly got was traded to the Toronto Maple Leafs as
[Roscoe]: part of a deal to acquire Wendell Clark. That's funny.
[Roscoe]: Wow.
[Suthy]: That I didn't know.
[Roscoe]: I did not, this trade just has like tentacles in everywhere. I wanna see,
[Suthy]: Oh yeah, it goes on forever.
[Roscoe]: I know Dangle's probably got a trade tree on it, but I'm pretty sure it still affects
[Roscoe]: like the cup that Colorado just won last year.
[Suthy]: Ehh
[Roscoe]: It's like the never ending one. All right,
[Suthy]: Wild.
[Roscoe]: well, as things happen, we'll come back as we've said, thanks for tuning in. Check
[Roscoe]: out our new merch over on the Inside the Rank Leaf Store. It's in the description
[Roscoe]: and it's in our link tree tang. There's some shirts and sweaters and some stickers
[Roscoe]: and some mugs. Get lots of cool things with our logo on it. And then we're gonna have
[Roscoe]: some new ones coming out. I'm just vanishing up the designs for the new shirts.
[Roscoe]: We're gonna have some cool new line coming out. really get into the merch stuff,
[Roscoe]: so stay tuned for that.
[Roscoe]: We got some Beaner merch coming, just hinting.
[Suthy]: Keep your eyes open for that.
[Biehner]: Oh
[Roscoe]: My
[Biehner]: jeez.
[Roscoe]: goal is to have everybody having a certain, at least a shirt, you know? Like some
[Roscoe]: logo that's, you know, we'll get some of these Betten thing going, it's going to
[Roscoe]: have its own thing. It's going to be Merch, baby.
[Suthy]: That's the idea,
[Roscoe]: Merch,
[Suthy]: right?
[Roscoe]: baby. Yeah, man. All right, thanks for tuning in. We'll be back soon. I don't
[Roscoe]: want to promise
[Suthy]: For
[Roscoe]: it.
[Suthy]: agencies pretty soon, so...
[Roscoe]: Yeah.
[Biehner]: agency on Saturday.
[Roscoe]: Saturday, yes, we should hit back on the... Oh, but this weekend's Canada Day.
[Roscoe]: I'm
[Suthy]: I'll probably
[Roscoe]: going...
[Suthy]: see you Monday or Tuesday.
[Roscoe]: Yeah, so Saturday I'm going back to my hometown to play a little concert. It's
[Roscoe]: gonna be fun. Getting back
[Suthy]: Nice.
[Roscoe]: on the drums after a long time.
[Suthy]: Love
[Roscoe]: I'm
[Suthy]: it.
[Roscoe]: doing this as I stall trying to find the outro because I don't know where it is
[Roscoe]: in my soundboard anymore.
[Suthy]: I actually have a wedding on Canada Day.
[Roscoe]: Who gets married on Canada Day?
[Suthy]: Exactly.
[Biehner]: Apparently they're patriotic.
[Roscoe]: But
[Suthy]: there
[Roscoe]: like, okay, that's asking a lot of people. But I mean, I guess the hope is that
[Roscoe]: everybody's free anyway. But like.
[Suthy]: Yeah, what are you really doing Canada Day?
[Biehner]: No one's
[Roscoe]: Oh.
[Biehner]: gonna forget your wedding.
[Roscoe]: No, but then I feel like
[Suthy]: In
[Roscoe]: that's,
[Suthy]: Kingston.
[Roscoe]: that's cheaping out on your anniversary. Cause like not cheaping out, I think it's making
[Roscoe]: your anniversary complicated because you're going to have to try and do it on Canada.
[Roscoe]: When there's like other shit going on and everyone's packed, you're going to try
[Roscoe]: and go out for dinner when like everything's closed and like, it's just,
[Suthy]: That's true
[Roscoe]: it's
[Suthy]: too.
[Roscoe]: a man. Can I think, can I think people don't think
[Suthy]: Gotta think.
[Roscoe]: you people don't think.