1 00:00:01,378 --> 00:00:07,827 [Roscoe]: This is so lame, a whole entire draft day, and all we get is people getting drafted. 2 00:00:07,867 --> 00:00:11,192 [Roscoe]: It's so lame. Nobody traded, nobody going up. 3 00:00:12,127 --> 00:00:12,787 [Biehner]: Fire Batman. 4 00:00:13,615 --> 00:00:13,815 [Roscoe]: Even 5 00:00:13,725 --> 00:00:13,986 [Suthy]: Wasn't 6 00:00:13,875 --> 00:00:14,156 [Roscoe]: Daddy 7 00:00:14,006 --> 00:00:14,227 [Suthy]: a very 8 00:00:14,196 --> 00:00:14,576 [Roscoe]: Dubas 9 00:00:14,267 --> 00:00:14,709 [Suthy]: exciting 10 00:00:14,616 --> 00:00:15,257 [Roscoe]: in Pittsburgh. 11 00:00:14,749 --> 00:00:20,574 [Suthy]: draft though, like, this whole class is... Not that deep. 12 00:00:20,734 --> 00:00:28,358 [Roscoe]: Okay, okay. I actually have a bone to pick with this draft man like before we 13 00:00:28,378 --> 00:00:30,599 [Roscoe]: talk about the trade thing because you know what let's just get that out of the 14 00:00:30,619 --> 00:00:35,121 [Roscoe]: way. The fact that nobody traded anything today is kind of crazy. Like everything aside 15 00:00:35,181 --> 00:00:41,303 [Roscoe]: all the big names and all that. Dubus not trading down. Come on, dude, you do it 16 00:00:41,404 --> 00:00:45,685 [Roscoe]: all the time and as soon as you go away you don't do it. I feel like I feel hurt. 17 00:00:47,778 --> 00:00:49,225 [Roscoe]: I feel blue drafted. 18 00:00:50,946 --> 00:00:54,852 [Suthy]: It was like seeing your ex-girlfriend walk up there. It was weird. 19 00:00:54,770 --> 00:01:01,119 [Roscoe]: Yeah, and like, but like she's figured out her shit that, you know, it was the, 20 00:01:00,924 --> 00:01:01,246 [Suthy]: It's doing 21 00:01:01,159 --> 00:01:01,459 [Roscoe]: you know, 22 00:01:01,266 --> 00:01:01,790 [Suthy]: a little better 23 00:01:01,780 --> 00:01:01,860 [Roscoe]: you 24 00:01:01,850 --> 00:01:02,072 [Suthy]: now. 25 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:06,246 [Roscoe]: know what I mean? She's doing a little better. She's got a good job, nicer guy. And 26 00:01:06,266 --> 00:01:07,628 [Roscoe]: it's like, Oh my God, you know what? 27 00:01:07,690 --> 00:01:08,226 [Suthy]: Promotion. 28 00:01:11,602 --> 00:01:16,566 [Roscoe]: So, and she and she finally got rid of that, those ugly cowboy boots like it's 29 00:01:16,586 --> 00:01:22,310 [Roscoe]: that one thing and that was dubious is trading down. But yeah, nobody gets traded. 30 00:01:22,330 --> 00:01:30,355 [Roscoe]: It was kind of weird. But the bone I have to pick with the draft itself. Four 31 00:01:30,416 --> 00:01:40,014 [Roscoe]: hours for 32 picks is ludicrous. It was like 722. And I'm like, we're still on 32 00:01:40,054 --> 00:01:46,258 [Roscoe]: B'Dard. I get it, but like, we got 31 other players to pick. And then when the 33 00:01:46,318 --> 00:01:50,520 [Roscoe]: second pick took another seven minutes, I'm like, what are we doing here? What are 34 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:55,323 [Roscoe]: we doing? It's not even like it's an exciting seven minutes. Like things are 35 00:01:55,343 --> 00:01:59,145 [Roscoe]: going on that I want to watch. It's just, Buh. 36 00:02:01,241 --> 00:02:05,616 [Suthy]: Yeah, I mean NFL takes about four hours NBA even maybe a little bit longer. 37 00:02:07,818 --> 00:02:08,078 [Roscoe]: like 38 00:02:07,966 --> 00:02:08,596 [Suthy]: All these drafts 39 00:02:08,558 --> 00:02:08,759 [Roscoe]: they're 40 00:02:08,616 --> 00:02:08,962 [Suthy]: are super 41 00:02:08,779 --> 00:02:09,099 [Roscoe]: at least 42 00:02:08,982 --> 00:02:09,226 [Suthy]: long. 43 00:02:09,179 --> 00:02:13,403 [Roscoe]: exciting. They got to do something man, especially after the NHL Awards, the NHL 44 00:02:13,443 --> 00:02:16,527 [Roscoe]: Awards, I couldn't even touch that. That 45 00:02:16,498 --> 00:02:16,721 [Suthy]: No, 46 00:02:16,567 --> 00:02:17,167 [Roscoe]: was, 47 00:02:16,782 --> 00:02:17,371 [Suthy]: nobody cares 48 00:02:17,207 --> 00:02:17,387 [Roscoe]: I think 49 00:02:17,391 --> 00:02:17,594 [Suthy]: about 50 00:02:17,427 --> 00:02:17,608 [Roscoe]: I got 51 00:02:17,614 --> 00:02:17,858 [Suthy]: that. 52 00:02:17,668 --> 00:02:23,574 [Roscoe]: five minutes. I'm like, nah, I just wanted to see who got, I don't even remember 53 00:02:23,594 --> 00:02:27,057 [Roscoe]: which one I tuned in for. Oh, whatever. 54 00:02:27,892 --> 00:02:28,102 [Suthy]: I'm out. 55 00:02:29,834 --> 00:02:30,957 [Roscoe]: It was lame. It was always lame. 56 00:02:31,738 --> 00:02:32,000 [Suthy]: Yeah, they're 57 00:02:32,020 --> 00:02:32,321 [Roscoe]: But 58 00:02:32,020 --> 00:02:32,404 [Suthy]: always lame. 59 00:02:33,865 --> 00:02:38,117 [Roscoe]: let's talk about all this and all the leaves and all the stuff. Welcome back. 60 00:03:08,783 --> 00:03:12,686 [Roscoe]: Welcome back to Leaps Late Night, Roscoe, Beener, and Suthie. Full disclosure, 61 00:03:12,726 --> 00:03:15,948 [Roscoe]: this is the third time I've hit record on this episode because technology 62 00:03:15,458 --> 00:03:15,539 [Suthy]: Ah. 63 00:03:16,008 --> 00:03:21,412 [Roscoe]: hates me tonight. So we're just rolling with the punches. So you know, it's like you 64 00:03:21,432 --> 00:03:26,255 [Roscoe]: get a second take at things, try it over. One thing that we don't get to try over 65 00:03:26,336 --> 00:03:30,950 [Roscoe]: is it's going way off the board on a pick. We'll talk about the first couple in 66 00:03:30,970 --> 00:03:36,692 [Roscoe]: a second here, but a lot of people have been asking on Twitter who is Easton Cowan? 67 00:03:37,472 --> 00:03:44,994 [Roscoe]: And from what I can see, he is a centre. He is 5'10", and he was ranked anywhere from 68 00:03:45,494 --> 00:03:52,356 [Roscoe]: 50 to like 100. So I mean, I get it. The Leafs only had a first round and like fifth, 69 00:03:52,416 --> 00:03:57,137 [Roscoe]: I think, but this seems way off the board. So I'm going to make you guys talk about 70 00:03:57,157 --> 00:04:00,917 [Roscoe]: him again real quick. Uh, who the hell is Easton Cowan? 71 00:04:05,895 --> 00:04:11,278 [Biehner]: He's an Ontario boy from just outside of London and that's the OHL team he's a part 72 00:04:11,398 --> 00:04:20,803 [Biehner]: of. With the franchise like the Knights and like they just churn out NHL prospects 73 00:04:20,903 --> 00:04:22,604 [Biehner]: all the time. You 74 00:04:22,623 --> 00:04:22,807 [Roscoe]: Like 75 00:04:22,624 --> 00:04:23,105 [Biehner]: have the Hunter 76 00:04:22,828 --> 00:04:23,032 [Roscoe]: who? 77 00:04:23,125 --> 00:04:25,746 [Biehner]: Brothers. I don't know there's a 78 00:04:25,930 --> 00:04:26,569 [Suthy]: We can enable a few. 79 00:04:26,867 --> 00:04:36,084 [Biehner]: couple. Yeah there's this guy Marner. But no Marner, Kachuk, Domi. uh, Bouchard 80 00:04:35,649 --> 00:04:36,296 [Suthy]: Tavares 81 00:04:36,124 --> 00:04:36,284 [Biehner]: out in 82 00:04:36,317 --> 00:04:36,722 [Suthy]: came. 83 00:04:36,324 --> 00:04:40,387 [Biehner]: Edmonton. So yeah, you can go farther back while Tavares was more 84 00:04:40,345 --> 00:04:41,931 [Suthy]: Yeah, 85 00:04:40,407 --> 00:04:42,168 [Biehner]: of a general, but, 86 00:04:41,951 --> 00:04:42,995 [Suthy]: true. They've been doing this for 87 00:04:42,928 --> 00:04:44,810 [Biehner]: um, 88 00:04:43,015 --> 00:04:43,256 [Suthy]: a while. 89 00:04:44,850 --> 00:04:51,795 [Biehner]: yeah, the Knights of their incredible OHL franchise. You have a, a franchise like 90 00:04:51,835 --> 00:04:58,860 [Biehner]: that. And then like last season he played seven games for them, right? This season 91 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:05,219 [Biehner]: he played 68 and he had 53 points. So Like, it's not like he was an absolute all-star, 92 00:05:05,620 --> 00:05:12,193 [Biehner]: but it's not like he was a plug out there either. And then come playoff time, he's 93 00:05:12,213 --> 00:05:12,894 [Biehner]: a point-of-game player. 94 00:05:13,922 --> 00:05:18,653 [Roscoe]: What would have been second lines? What is he a right wing? I think. 95 00:05:19,264 --> 00:05:23,676 [Biehner]: I see a little bit of everything. I see some reports showing him playing center, 96 00:05:23,716 --> 00:05:26,563 [Biehner]: some reports showing him playing right wing. I think he was mainly wing for 97 00:05:26,663 --> 00:05:27,806 [Biehner]: the Knights, but I could be wrong. 98 00:05:27,865 --> 00:05:30,216 [Suthy]: Yeah, I see it as a left wing actually. 99 00:05:32,434 --> 00:05:36,657 [Roscoe]: Okay, I don't know who else was on the Knights this year. I don't follow the juniors. 100 00:05:36,677 --> 00:05:42,782 [Roscoe]: I don't really, I envy people that have time to. So would he be like a first line 101 00:05:42,802 --> 00:05:46,845 [Roscoe]: guy there? Is he like leading this team or is it, is he kind of more support guy 102 00:05:46,865 --> 00:05:46,985 [Roscoe]: here? 103 00:05:48,309 --> 00:05:48,831 [Suthy]: You gotta think 104 00:05:49,089 --> 00:05:49,291 [Biehner]: Ame. 105 00:05:49,092 --> 00:05:52,547 [Suthy]: next year, you'll probably be higher up there, right? Because he's there 106 00:05:52,456 --> 00:05:52,601 [Biehner]: Yeah. 107 00:05:52,567 --> 00:05:53,612 [Suthy]: like your typical late bloomer. 108 00:05:56,359 --> 00:05:56,785 [Biehner]: Yeah. 109 00:05:56,490 --> 00:05:59,416 [Roscoe]: Yeah, I mean, the fact that he played what set you set seven games the year before 110 00:05:59,456 --> 00:05:59,676 [Roscoe]: last. 111 00:05:59,681 --> 00:05:59,901 [Suthy]: Yeah, 112 00:05:59,696 --> 00:06:00,277 [Roscoe]: That's insane. 113 00:05:59,981 --> 00:06:00,281 [Suthy]: he was 114 00:06:00,337 --> 00:06:00,478 [Roscoe]: I mean, 115 00:06:00,401 --> 00:06:00,741 [Suthy]: playing 116 00:06:00,518 --> 00:06:01,159 [Roscoe]: I obviously 117 00:06:00,861 --> 00:06:01,542 [Suthy]: Junior B 118 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:01,680 [Roscoe]: COVID 119 00:06:01,582 --> 00:06:01,802 [Suthy]: most 120 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:02,041 [Roscoe]: and stuff, 121 00:06:01,822 --> 00:06:02,182 [Suthy]: of last 122 00:06:02,081 --> 00:06:02,241 [Roscoe]: but 123 00:06:02,222 --> 00:06:05,704 [Suthy]: year. And I think it was the later half of this year too, where like he really 124 00:06:05,744 --> 00:06:10,426 [Suthy]: started turning on it. Like Biner said, at 21 points and 20 playoff games, he really 125 00:06:10,466 --> 00:06:14,128 [Suthy]: started to find his game. So I think Toronto thought they had a project in this 126 00:06:14,188 --> 00:06:17,950 [Suthy]: guy, because he's not going to be playing for you for the next two, three years, probably. 127 00:06:18,010 --> 00:06:22,252 [Suthy]: But at 28th in this type of draft, I think it was a pretty good pick. 128 00:06:23,766 --> 00:06:26,988 [Roscoe]: I mean, if he's going to be somebody who shows up in the playoffs, like we can always 129 00:06:27,068 --> 00:06:30,591 [Roscoe]: use those. I mean, if we're looking at locking these guys down that we have for 130 00:06:30,611 --> 00:06:36,075 [Roscoe]: a couple, you know, long-term extensions that we'll get to later, you know, this guy's 131 00:06:36,095 --> 00:06:39,697 [Roscoe]: development could still come within that window. So to have an extra couple pieces 132 00:06:39,717 --> 00:06:44,701 [Roscoe]: that you don't have to try to trade for, because it seems like playoff performers, 133 00:06:44,721 --> 00:06:47,803 [Roscoe]: you know, people that just show up for that time are kind of becoming the commodity. 134 00:06:48,283 --> 00:06:50,065 [Roscoe]: So it'd be interesting 135 00:06:49,851 --> 00:06:50,371 [Biehner]: Yeah, 136 00:06:50,085 --> 00:06:50,945 [Roscoe]: to see how that one pans out. 137 00:06:52,052 --> 00:06:58,975 [Biehner]: he's more of a speedy, like, cerebral player. He's very creative and very intelligent 138 00:06:58,995 --> 00:07:04,217 [Biehner]: with the moves that he does make. Even like able to manipulate the gaps that 139 00:07:04,257 --> 00:07:10,400 [Biehner]: defensemen leave and stuff like that. So he's not going to, like, I do not see him 140 00:07:10,500 --> 00:07:15,542 [Biehner]: projecting out to be a top line NHL-er, but probably definitely a good middle six guy. 141 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:16,845 [Roscoe]: Okay, 142 00:07:16,753 --> 00:07:17,741 [Suthy]: Yeah, 143 00:07:17,255 --> 00:07:17,378 [Roscoe]: cool. 144 00:07:17,801 --> 00:07:18,506 [Suthy]: solid second liner. 145 00:07:20,122 --> 00:07:24,766 [Roscoe]: And I mean, really it's so tough to outside of the guys that obviously stand out 146 00:07:24,786 --> 00:07:29,070 [Roscoe]: like the top, I don't know, five to seven, I will say, because Mitch Gov dropped. 147 00:07:29,970 --> 00:07:34,935 [Roscoe]: But it's tough with the reduced seasons that these kids have had over the last couple 148 00:07:34,955 --> 00:07:38,938 [Roscoe]: of years to really tell what's there. So the fact that, you know, he's had this late 149 00:07:38,958 --> 00:07:44,964 [Roscoe]: bloom, I mean, late at 17, but it'll be, I think it's going to be a really weird 150 00:07:45,945 --> 00:07:54,510 [Roscoe]: late. return on this draft for a lot of teams outside of the obvious view. So with 151 00:07:54,550 --> 00:08:01,914 [Roscoe]: that, kind of strange, Fantilly didn't go second. We saw a little bit of a, well, 152 00:08:02,034 --> 00:08:07,177 [Roscoe]: not a stretch, but you know, somebody, I think it was kind of unanimous that Fantilly 153 00:08:07,197 --> 00:08:08,877 [Roscoe]: was gonna go second. Am I wrong to say that? 154 00:08:10,449 --> 00:08:14,291 [Suthy]: No, he was heavily favorited to go second. I was actually gonna bet on Leo Carlson 155 00:08:14,311 --> 00:08:17,553 [Suthy]: to go second, and he was plus 450, and I had a gut 156 00:08:17,448 --> 00:08:17,530 [Roscoe]: Oh. 157 00:08:17,593 --> 00:08:19,695 [Suthy]: feeling that he was gonna go second, and I didn't do it. 158 00:08:20,822 --> 00:08:21,122 [Roscoe]: That would have 159 00:08:21,096 --> 00:08:21,576 [Suthy]: Terrible 160 00:08:21,142 --> 00:08:21,443 [Roscoe]: been good, 161 00:08:21,616 --> 00:08:21,996 [Suthy]: mistake. 162 00:08:21,944 --> 00:08:28,295 [Roscoe]: damn. But yeah, Mitchkov dropping all the way to seven. That was, it's gonna 163 00:08:28,315 --> 00:08:29,817 [Roscoe]: be a steal, honestly. 164 00:08:31,122 --> 00:08:32,094 [Suthy]: Yeah, not even the first 165 00:08:31,877 --> 00:08:32,162 [Biehner]: Yeah. 166 00:08:32,134 --> 00:08:32,843 [Suthy]: Russian drafted. 167 00:08:34,751 --> 00:08:40,535 [Biehner]: That one just really comes down to how he's going to be able to come over, right? 168 00:08:41,355 --> 00:08:44,938 [Biehner]: Like I believe he's under contract for another what, two, three years over in 169 00:08:44,978 --> 00:08:45,238 [Biehner]: Russia? 170 00:08:46,950 --> 00:08:50,997 [Roscoe]: Yeah, but I mean, yeah, they 171 00:08:50,987 --> 00:08:52,335 [Biehner]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha 172 00:08:51,037 --> 00:08:52,660 [Roscoe]: can get out of those things. They just gotta pay. 173 00:08:53,577 --> 00:08:57,126 [Suthy]: little cash. Babs will toss them the room up that 174 00:08:58,266 --> 00:08:59,510 [Roscoe]: Yeah, because technically 175 00:08:58,831 --> 00:08:59,092 [Suthy]: sorry. Yeah. 176 00:09:00,494 --> 00:09:07,906 [Roscoe]: the team's not allowed to pay for it, but like, they'll find a way. if they 177 00:09:07,851 --> 00:09:08,112 [Biehner]: I don't 178 00:09:07,966 --> 00:09:08,307 [Roscoe]: wanted 179 00:09:08,132 --> 00:09:08,373 [Biehner]: know. 180 00:09:08,327 --> 00:09:13,137 [Roscoe]: him, you know? But I mean, they're also tearing it down in Philadelphia. Like 181 00:09:13,157 --> 00:09:16,163 [Roscoe]: they're getting rid of everything. So I don't think they're planning, like even 182 00:09:16,183 --> 00:09:19,489 [Roscoe]: if the guy could play next year, it would be a waste to put him out there. 183 00:09:20,701 --> 00:09:25,123 [Suthy]: Yeah, 100%. Like Philly is actually a pretty good place for him to land just organizational 184 00:09:25,143 --> 00:09:29,825 [Suthy]: wise, because they are doing a complete rebuild. They've turned to the ground. And 185 00:09:30,005 --> 00:09:32,187 [Suthy]: to Peter's point, if you're not going to see him in two, three years, and that's 186 00:09:32,227 --> 00:09:35,648 [Suthy]: fine by them. They took a flyer on this guy and I think it's going to pay off. 187 00:09:37,598 --> 00:09:40,618 [Roscoe]: Yeah, it's funny, the Flyers made this like last-ditch effort to try to bring 188 00:09:40,638 --> 00:09:44,399 [Roscoe]: a bunch of people in and change it, and they went, nope, it's the team. We're getting 189 00:09:44,439 --> 00:09:48,461 [Roscoe]: rid of all of you. You had one more shot, we'll give you a new coach and GM and 190 00:09:48,481 --> 00:09:53,302 [Roscoe]: everything, new president. We'll get you fucking everything. And then, nope, you 191 00:09:53,322 --> 00:10:04,245 [Roscoe]: guys suck. Pardon me. Other ones, so of note, the first four picks were all centers. 192 00:10:04,945 --> 00:10:11,030 [Roscoe]: The quarterbacks of... the hockey draft. Obviously it's tough to come across 193 00:10:11,090 --> 00:10:15,134 [Roscoe]: one, but it's always interesting to see how valuable they are here. But I'm also 194 00:10:15,111 --> 00:10:15,294 [Suthy]: Yeah. 195 00:10:15,154 --> 00:10:18,617 [Roscoe]: of note only eight defencemen picked in the entire first round and no goalies. 196 00:10:19,761 --> 00:10:25,485 [Suthy]: No, I think with no real standout goaltenders or like number one or two defensemen, like 197 00:10:25,505 --> 00:10:28,307 [Suthy]: you said, top four were all centered. You're going to take the possession that matters 198 00:10:28,387 --> 00:10:33,792 [Suthy]: most. The defense that were picked are, you know, projected to be three, four, 199 00:10:33,932 --> 00:10:39,676 [Suthy]: five even. So it's not terribly surprising to see that low count of defensemen. 200 00:10:41,290 --> 00:10:45,393 [Roscoe]: Yeah, I mean, I said it before we lost our episode, unfortunately, but Montreal 201 00:10:45,413 --> 00:10:49,557 [Roscoe]: and Arizona both picking defensemen makes sense just because of what they've already 202 00:10:49,597 --> 00:10:55,882 [Roscoe]: got in terms of, you know, young blossoming forwards. There's no point in adding to that 203 00:10:55,902 --> 00:10:59,165 [Roscoe]: because eventually you're going to have to pay them all. But at the same time, 204 00:11:00,306 --> 00:11:08,113 [Roscoe]: I kind of the armchair GM and me would pick somebody maybe more valuable to trade 205 00:11:08,193 --> 00:11:11,598 [Roscoe]: or just trade the pick. if you're kind of in that situation. I don't think either 206 00:11:11,618 --> 00:11:15,540 [Roscoe]: of these teams are really hurting to develop a defenseman in a couple of years. 207 00:11:15,580 --> 00:11:19,943 [Roscoe]: Like it'd be, it makes sense for them, but I think it would also make sense to trade 208 00:11:19,983 --> 00:11:25,385 [Roscoe]: the pick for something that's maybe 20 already or 21, if you can. 209 00:11:28,107 --> 00:11:37,449 [Biehner]: Well, like I mentioned it before we lost our recordings. With a team like Arizona, 210 00:11:39,370 --> 00:11:48,652 [Biehner]: you have so many players that you're paying not to play, right? With the LTIRs and 211 00:11:48,672 --> 00:11:52,993 [Biehner]: the contracts that they're eating for other teams, like those, they won't count 212 00:11:53,033 --> 00:11:55,434 [Biehner]: towards the cap, but they count towards contracts. 213 00:11:56,233 --> 00:11:56,478 [Suthy]: Mm-hmm. 214 00:11:56,494 --> 00:12:02,320 [Biehner]: So you only have. what is it, 50 contracts that each team can have. So if you 215 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:10,902 [Biehner]: have these players that are coming out of your ownership basically, like where 216 00:12:10,922 --> 00:12:14,663 [Biehner]: you have the rights because you drafted them and you have to sign them to entry level 217 00:12:14,703 --> 00:12:19,085 [Biehner]: deals or whatnot, you don't want to have to give up on that player because you're 218 00:12:20,105 --> 00:12:24,586 [Biehner]: working towards getting a younger player signed. So if you know that and you're 219 00:12:24,606 --> 00:12:29,065 [Biehner]: drafting guys that... These guys aren't even going to look to come over for 220 00:12:29,007 --> 00:12:29,150 [Suthy]: Yeah. 221 00:12:29,105 --> 00:12:35,251 [Biehner]: two, three, who knows, maybe even four years. So as silly as it sounds, that 222 00:12:35,291 --> 00:12:40,235 [Biehner]: may be playing a part in what the coyotes are doing because we know they're not 223 00:12:40,255 --> 00:12:43,138 [Biehner]: going to be successful this year. They're multiple 224 00:12:42,806 --> 00:12:42,966 [Roscoe]: The 225 00:12:43,158 --> 00:12:43,498 [Biehner]: years out. 226 00:12:44,247 --> 00:12:49,152 [Roscoe]: counter-argument I'll make to that is they have 32 of 50 contracts right now and 227 00:12:49,172 --> 00:12:55,258 [Roscoe]: their roster size is 13 of 23. They don't have enough players. They have six forwards 228 00:12:55,579 --> 00:12:58,041 [Roscoe]: and five defencemen, apparently. 229 00:12:57,831 --> 00:12:58,312 [Biehner]: Yeah, but they 230 00:12:58,227 --> 00:12:58,537 [Suthy]: Yeah. 231 00:12:58,352 --> 00:13:00,078 [Biehner]: still need to fill those roster spots. 232 00:13:00,898 --> 00:13:00,978 [Roscoe]: Well, 233 00:13:00,974 --> 00:13:01,137 [Suthy]: Yeah, 234 00:13:00,998 --> 00:13:01,218 [Roscoe]: that's what 235 00:13:01,218 --> 00:13:01,319 [Suthy]: and 236 00:13:01,278 --> 00:13:01,518 [Roscoe]: I mean. 237 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:01,502 [Suthy]: it's 238 00:13:01,538 --> 00:13:01,698 [Roscoe]: That's 239 00:13:01,542 --> 00:13:01,989 [Suthy]: definitely. 240 00:13:01,738 --> 00:13:05,482 [Roscoe]: why wouldn't they trade the sixth overall pick for like players that can play 241 00:13:05,542 --> 00:13:09,847 [Roscoe]: now. They've got so many picks. They have like something like 19 picks over the 242 00:13:09,867 --> 00:13:12,009 [Roscoe]: next three years. I 243 00:13:11,903 --> 00:13:12,444 [Biehner]: Cause 244 00:13:12,089 --> 00:13:12,309 [Roscoe]: don't know. 245 00:13:12,584 --> 00:13:17,292 [Biehner]: they'll just wait until free, like, you know, the second or third week in free 246 00:13:17,352 --> 00:13:19,436 [Biehner]: agency and sign all the players that thought they 247 00:13:19,429 --> 00:13:21,332 [Suthy]: Yeah. 248 00:13:19,456 --> 00:13:20,578 [Biehner]: were going to get big paydays. 249 00:13:21,392 --> 00:13:22,594 [Suthy]: And even finding the player who 250 00:13:22,552 --> 00:13:22,825 [Roscoe]: guys. 251 00:13:22,614 --> 00:13:26,600 [Suthy]: would be NHL ready to play on that lineup, like who wouldn't be insulated by any 252 00:13:26,620 --> 00:13:29,424 [Suthy]: great vets or anything, that's incredibly hard to do as well. 253 00:13:30,926 --> 00:13:35,190 [Roscoe]: So they've got $28 million of projected cap space. And 254 00:13:37,036 --> 00:13:37,140 [Suthy]: OOF 255 00:13:37,653 --> 00:13:42,759 [Roscoe]: I mean, I wouldn't say they're resigning any of these guys that they've got. So they're 256 00:13:42,779 --> 00:13:47,043 [Roscoe]: pretty much gonna have free reign to do whatever they want in July 1st. So it'd 257 00:13:47,063 --> 00:13:50,087 [Roscoe]: be interesting to see what the Coyotes do. I'm always intrigued to see if they're 258 00:13:50,107 --> 00:13:52,289 [Roscoe]: gonna go for it or not, but we'll see. 259 00:13:53,853 --> 00:13:54,644 [Suthy]: No, not this ear. 260 00:13:56,242 --> 00:14:01,359 [Roscoe]: San Jose taking Will Smith forth though, that's exciting. I mean, I like San Jose. We're 261 00:14:01,379 --> 00:14:03,085 [Roscoe]: always looking forward to what they're doing. 262 00:14:05,271 --> 00:14:10,838 [Biehner]: I honestly thought they were going after Mischkov because they're still ages away 263 00:14:10,878 --> 00:14:15,563 [Biehner]: from being competitive so they could have waited the time for him to fulfill his 264 00:14:15,603 --> 00:14:16,845 [Biehner]: contract over in Russia 265 00:14:17,390 --> 00:14:17,579 [Roscoe]: That's a 266 00:14:17,586 --> 00:14:17,886 [Biehner]: before 267 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:17,874 [Roscoe]: good point. 268 00:14:17,926 --> 00:14:22,031 [Biehner]: coming over, right? But 269 00:14:20,214 --> 00:14:20,314 [Roscoe]: Um, 270 00:14:22,071 --> 00:14:22,232 [Biehner]: good. 271 00:14:22,236 --> 00:14:26,661 [Roscoe]: go on. No, I was going to go on to the ducks because they put out a cool Jersey 272 00:14:26,701 --> 00:14:26,881 [Roscoe]: today. 273 00:14:27,995 --> 00:14:31,217 [Biehner]: Oh, that they did. No, I was just going to mention that they were talking about 274 00:14:31,237 --> 00:14:40,483 [Biehner]: in the broadcast that Grier's son is friends with Will Smith. So not that should, 275 00:14:40,984 --> 00:14:46,047 [Biehner]: because it shouldn't factor into what you do with your roster decisions and 276 00:14:46,067 --> 00:14:50,990 [Biehner]: your drafting decisions for an NHL team. But at the same time, he didn't just 277 00:14:51,010 --> 00:14:55,734 [Biehner]: get a couple minute interview to meet this kid. He's potentially known this 278 00:14:55,774 --> 00:15:00,821 [Biehner]: kid for years. knows what kind of character he has, knows what drives him, what 279 00:15:00,861 --> 00:15:06,612 [Biehner]: motivates him. Like, that's potentially a steal for that team. They know him better 280 00:15:06,632 --> 00:15:07,774 [Biehner]: than any other team would. 281 00:15:09,494 --> 00:15:13,437 [Roscoe]: Yeah, it's one of those double edged swords I find where it's like, yes, you know 282 00:15:13,477 --> 00:15:20,023 [Roscoe]: him better, but you're also putting all of your scouting, not all of your scouting 283 00:15:20,063 --> 00:15:24,546 [Roscoe]: effort, but like you're putting a lot of resources into somebody that's kind 284 00:15:24,587 --> 00:15:28,090 [Roscoe]: of taking away from, you know, if you were to put that same amount of time into 285 00:15:28,130 --> 00:15:32,213 [Roscoe]: somebody else, you would, you know, maybe find that they're better. Like it's just 286 00:15:32,253 --> 00:15:35,156 [Roscoe]: one of those things. You can spend a hundred percent of your time on one thing 287 00:15:35,196 --> 00:15:39,891 [Roscoe]: and you'll know it very well, but... Is it necessarily the best? I don't know. We'll 288 00:15:39,912 --> 00:15:45,227 [Roscoe]: see. It also comes down to the center thing. I think they just, you know, a center 289 00:15:45,247 --> 00:15:49,175 [Roscoe]: is more valuable to take in the top five than, uh, than Mitch Goff, but man, that 290 00:15:49,195 --> 00:15:54,024 [Roscoe]: guy's gonna really start lighting the league up in a couple of years, it's going 291 00:15:54,045 --> 00:15:57,490 [Roscoe]: to be exciting. Um, 292 00:15:57,808 --> 00:15:58,010 [Suthy]: Thank 293 00:15:57,850 --> 00:15:57,970 [Roscoe]: brr 294 00:15:58,030 --> 00:15:58,091 [Suthy]: you. 295 00:15:58,310 --> 00:16:03,314 [Roscoe]: brr. I just wanted to show. So the Arizona or the Anaheim Ducks today. You see 296 00:16:03,354 --> 00:16:06,817 [Roscoe]: this? A 30th anniversary jersey. Look at this 297 00:16:06,792 --> 00:16:06,833 [Biehner]: I 298 00:16:06,837 --> 00:16:07,097 [Roscoe]: thing. 299 00:16:06,874 --> 00:16:07,059 [Biehner]: did. 300 00:16:08,195 --> 00:16:08,986 [Suthy]: Oh, it's such a beauty. 301 00:16:10,426 --> 00:16:15,410 [Roscoe]: Oh, the, uh, they got for anybody listening, it's the old purple and teal with 302 00:16:15,450 --> 00:16:19,833 [Roscoe]: the, uh, the duck mask in the middle. It says Anaheim ducks, but it's got their like 303 00:16:19,893 --> 00:16:24,537 [Roscoe]: new logo, just the bottom. It's pretty sick. And if you're watching, you can see it 304 00:16:24,557 --> 00:16:29,861 [Roscoe]: says you buy it today and get 50% off customization. How much are these? What 305 00:16:29,881 --> 00:16:30,201 [Roscoe]: do you think? 306 00:16:30,750 --> 00:16:31,382 [Suthy]: Not terrible. 307 00:16:33,806 --> 00:16:34,893 [Roscoe]: 180 bucks. 308 00:16:36,807 --> 00:16:37,661 [Biehner]: That's pretty standard. 309 00:16:38,603 --> 00:16:38,813 [Suthy]: Yeah. 310 00:16:40,586 --> 00:16:41,506 [Roscoe]: Yeah, so you got that. 311 00:16:41,209 --> 00:16:42,173 [Suthy]: I'm not dropping that in 312 00:16:42,146 --> 00:16:42,566 [Roscoe]: Oh, 313 00:16:43,238 --> 00:16:43,760 [Suthy]: late June 314 00:16:43,647 --> 00:16:43,827 [Roscoe]: it's 315 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:43,981 [Suthy]: for 316 00:16:43,847 --> 00:16:44,407 [Roscoe]: so nice 317 00:16:44,142 --> 00:16:44,604 [Suthy]: the ducks. 318 00:16:44,447 --> 00:16:51,669 [Roscoe]: though. And you got, it says Anaheim Ducks, established 2006. And it also says like 319 00:16:51,709 --> 00:17:01,033 [Roscoe]: Mighty Ducks, established 93. It says Mighty in the neck. It's pretty cool. Pretty, 320 00:17:01,113 --> 00:17:03,373 [Roscoe]: pretty, pretty cool. 321 00:17:05,707 --> 00:17:10,293 [Biehner]: They're trying to gear that towards our generation that grew up with them and with 322 00:17:10,313 --> 00:17:13,878 [Biehner]: the movie and thinking we now have expendable money. 323 00:17:14,964 --> 00:17:15,228 [Suthy]: Haha 324 00:17:15,018 --> 00:17:18,186 [Roscoe]: Well, yeah, that seems to be the trend, right? Like they're now directing it towards 325 00:17:18,246 --> 00:17:22,016 [Roscoe]: millennials because we have the money to spend. Oh yeah, a Barbie movie at the same 326 00:17:22,056 --> 00:17:24,141 [Roscoe]: time as all this stuff. That's not a coincidence. 327 00:17:25,055 --> 00:17:25,602 [Biehner]: They think 328 00:17:25,351 --> 00:17:25,987 [Suthy]: fuel attacked. 329 00:17:25,623 --> 00:17:26,697 [Biehner]: we have the money to spend. 330 00:17:29,186 --> 00:17:34,200 [Roscoe]: Are you guys gonna go see Barbie or Oppenheimer? What's your pick? 331 00:17:33,977 --> 00:17:34,700 [Suthy]: Oh Oppenheimer, 332 00:17:34,260 --> 00:17:34,701 [Roscoe]: Or both? 333 00:17:34,781 --> 00:17:37,512 [Suthy]: I'm such a Nolan guy. But I probably 334 00:17:37,291 --> 00:17:37,671 [Biehner]: Oppenheimer 335 00:17:37,553 --> 00:17:37,693 [Suthy]: will 336 00:17:37,691 --> 00:17:37,991 [Biehner]: looks, 337 00:17:37,733 --> 00:17:38,316 [Suthy]: end up seeing both. 338 00:17:40,114 --> 00:17:44,358 [Biehner]: I'll definitely end up seeing both. Oppenheimer looks so good and my wife wants 339 00:17:44,398 --> 00:17:47,922 [Biehner]: to see Barbie and you can't go wrong with anything with Margaret Robbie in it. 340 00:17:48,774 --> 00:17:50,121 [Roscoe]: I'm in the exact same boat, Banner. 341 00:17:50,963 --> 00:17:51,570 [Biehner]: Hahaha 342 00:17:51,490 --> 00:17:51,715 [Suthy]: ahaha 343 00:17:53,986 --> 00:17:58,588 [Roscoe]: I'm so down. I did watch the trailer for Barbie, it's pretty funny. 344 00:17:59,402 --> 00:18:00,119 [Suthy]: It looks pretty good. 345 00:17:59,969 --> 00:18:05,253 [Roscoe]: Sorry if people didn't want spoilers, but the dream house and how they have her fly 346 00:18:05,273 --> 00:18:09,135 [Roscoe]: down from the top of it into the car because it's somebody putting them in it. It's 347 00:18:09,235 --> 00:18:09,856 [Roscoe]: so funny. 348 00:18:11,241 --> 00:18:11,722 [Suthy]: Not to mention, 349 00:18:11,677 --> 00:18:11,837 [Roscoe]: Oh 350 00:18:11,742 --> 00:18:11,883 [Suthy]: like, 351 00:18:11,897 --> 00:18:12,137 [Roscoe]: man. 352 00:18:12,003 --> 00:18:12,304 [Suthy]: Greta 353 00:18:12,257 --> 00:18:12,317 [Roscoe]: And 354 00:18:12,324 --> 00:18:12,765 [Suthy]: Gerwig's 355 00:18:12,337 --> 00:18:12,417 [Roscoe]: then... 356 00:18:12,805 --> 00:18:16,276 [Suthy]: so good, anything she directs is... pretty amazing. 357 00:18:19,922 --> 00:18:23,186 [Roscoe]: And they caused a worldwide shortage on pink paint and that's hilarious. 358 00:18:23,637 --> 00:18:23,700 [Suthy]: Uh! 359 00:18:23,667 --> 00:18:32,724 [Roscoe]: So I have to see what that looks like. Anyway, so moving on over to Leafs News, we 360 00:18:32,764 --> 00:18:39,432 [Roscoe]: made two signings today. One of them Pontus Holmberg, two years, 1.6 mil, 800K a 361 00:18:39,552 --> 00:18:44,799 [Roscoe]: season. What do you guys think of this? I mean, it's 24 and 800K a year for having 362 00:18:44,819 --> 00:18:46,901 [Roscoe]: an extra guy to throw around. I don't hate it. 363 00:18:48,511 --> 00:18:51,654 [Biehner]: So does this basically guarantee that Rhino's not coming back? 364 00:18:54,006 --> 00:18:54,901 [Roscoe]: I don't know, why do you say 365 00:18:54,814 --> 00:18:55,061 [Suthy]: No. 366 00:18:54,921 --> 00:18:55,125 [Roscoe]: that? 367 00:18:57,083 --> 00:19:01,042 [Biehner]: Matthews, Tavares, Clamp, Homebird. 368 00:19:02,590 --> 00:19:02,650 [Roscoe]: I 369 00:19:02,633 --> 00:19:02,773 [Suthy]: That 370 00:19:02,730 --> 00:19:03,212 [Roscoe]: mean, 371 00:19:02,833 --> 00:19:03,715 [Suthy]: is if you think Tavaris 372 00:19:03,614 --> 00:19:03,815 [Roscoe]: I don't 373 00:19:03,735 --> 00:19:03,855 [Suthy]: will 374 00:19:03,855 --> 00:19:04,056 [Roscoe]: think 375 00:19:03,876 --> 00:19:04,317 [Suthy]: be playing 376 00:19:04,096 --> 00:19:06,587 [Roscoe]: Holmberg's... 377 00:19:04,377 --> 00:19:06,702 [Suthy]: center again. Yeah, Holmberg's kind of 378 00:19:06,727 --> 00:19:06,848 [Roscoe]: And 379 00:19:06,742 --> 00:19:07,063 [Suthy]: be going 380 00:19:06,908 --> 00:19:07,189 [Roscoe]: I don't. 381 00:19:07,083 --> 00:19:11,253 [Suthy]: with camp. Like they're going to be vying for each other's job. Or rather 382 00:19:11,209 --> 00:19:11,518 [Roscoe]: I think 383 00:19:11,313 --> 00:19:11,634 [Suthy]: Holmberg 384 00:19:11,580 --> 00:19:11,745 [Roscoe]: so. 385 00:19:11,654 --> 00:19:12,816 [Suthy]: will be trying to get camp's job. 386 00:19:14,866 --> 00:19:15,646 [Roscoe]: Yeah, 387 00:19:15,081 --> 00:19:16,044 [Suthy]: He's more of an insurance 388 00:19:15,666 --> 00:19:16,246 [Roscoe]: I think Holmberg 389 00:19:16,084 --> 00:19:16,345 [Suthy]: signing 390 00:19:16,266 --> 00:19:16,446 [Roscoe]: is going 391 00:19:16,365 --> 00:19:16,465 [Suthy]: than 392 00:19:16,466 --> 00:19:16,506 [Roscoe]: to 393 00:19:16,526 --> 00:19:16,847 [Suthy]: anything, 394 00:19:16,546 --> 00:19:18,167 [Roscoe]: be, 395 00:19:16,907 --> 00:19:17,208 [Suthy]: I think. 396 00:19:18,227 --> 00:19:20,568 [Roscoe]: he's going to be somebody that'll fill in if anyone's hurt, he's going to come 397 00:19:20,628 --> 00:19:24,590 [Roscoe]: up and, you know, he'll be on the Marlies, I'm sure still. Like I just, I don't 398 00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:29,452 [Roscoe]: see him being a full-time guy, especially at league men, they don't seem to think the 399 00:19:29,472 --> 00:19:33,373 [Roscoe]: same. So let's see, is it a one-way? Probably. 400 00:19:37,334 --> 00:19:38,840 [Suthy]: I didn't see if it was two or one. 401 00:19:42,432 --> 00:19:44,287 [Roscoe]: Um, does not say. 402 00:19:44,021 --> 00:19:48,504 [Suthy]: Why, Peter, do you think that's indicative that they're not gonna resign RRoyal? 403 00:19:51,063 --> 00:19:57,385 [Biehner]: It's just curious that everything you hear, you know, this hour, yeah, Rhino's 404 00:19:57,405 --> 00:20:01,906 [Biehner]: coming back next hour, no, he's not coming back. Like it's been so back and forth, 405 00:20:01,926 --> 00:20:07,128 [Biehner]: back and forth, and then they go and lock up two other centers. Like I could 406 00:20:07,148 --> 00:20:12,289 [Biehner]: just be, you know, reading the tea leaves completely wrong, but part of me kind 407 00:20:12,329 --> 00:20:16,750 [Biehner]: of wonders in the back of my mind, well, has he told them, you know, unless I 408 00:20:16,770 --> 00:20:20,974 [Biehner]: get... X amount of dollars, I'm not coming back to a point that you don't want 409 00:20:21,014 --> 00:20:21,858 [Biehner]: to spend that, right? 410 00:20:22,786 --> 00:20:29,052 [Roscoe]: So here's my galaxy brain of what I think is going on here. But first actually, 411 00:20:29,412 --> 00:20:34,978 [Roscoe]: David Camp signs four times 2.4. I like this contract. It's right where we thought 412 00:20:34,998 --> 00:20:40,324 [Roscoe]: he would sign. He's 28, get him till he's 32. I mean, the guy's fucking great. He 413 00:20:40,564 --> 00:20:45,389 [Roscoe]: kills penalties. He shows up when you need him to. He's an overtime specialist, 414 00:20:45,609 --> 00:20:45,889 [Roscoe]: damn it. 415 00:20:46,185 --> 00:20:49,852 [Suthy]: He never misses hockey games. And with the cap going up in the next few years, it'll 416 00:20:49,872 --> 00:20:51,736 [Suthy]: look good in year two and three and four. 417 00:20:53,610 --> 00:20:56,492 [Roscoe]: Yeah, sucks it's only grown up a million this year, but. 418 00:20:57,408 --> 00:20:57,765 [Suthy]: after that. 419 00:20:57,852 --> 00:21:03,957 [Roscoe]: So my galaxy brain idea here is we just heard a report that Matthews is willing 420 00:21:03,997 --> 00:21:10,061 [Roscoe]: to take a bit of a little team friendly discount in order to make the team better. 421 00:21:10,121 --> 00:21:13,583 [Roscoe]: You know, a la Boston Bruins, you know, Brad Marshawn calling him out, I think 422 00:21:13,623 --> 00:21:18,787 [Roscoe]: got him, got him a little, you know, especially after they lost again. So what I 423 00:21:18,807 --> 00:21:25,842 [Roscoe]: think happens here is they can't really. make a clear offer to Ryan O'Reilly or get 424 00:21:25,902 --> 00:21:30,284 [Roscoe]: back to him about what they want until they just figure out what they're paying Matthews 425 00:21:30,304 --> 00:21:33,245 [Roscoe]: and Nylander for the next couple of seasons because otherwise it's just a one-year 426 00:21:33,285 --> 00:21:36,726 [Roscoe]: deal for Rhino. And I think if they want to get him at a decent value, it's going 427 00:21:36,746 --> 00:21:40,287 [Roscoe]: to have to be stretched out over a couple of years. And you know, you're looking 428 00:21:40,307 --> 00:21:43,468 [Roscoe]: at probably a four or five year deal that they're going to try and get with them 429 00:21:43,828 --> 00:21:48,089 [Roscoe]: to reduce the AAV. And at that point, you have to know how much space you're going 430 00:21:48,109 --> 00:21:51,836 [Roscoe]: to have down the line, which directly impacts Matthews and Neolander. So I think 431 00:21:51,856 --> 00:21:53,979 [Roscoe]: they're the more important ones to get out of the way first, and then you can 432 00:21:54,019 --> 00:21:55,481 [Roscoe]: make a real offer to Rhino. 433 00:21:57,041 --> 00:22:01,962 [Suthy]: Yeah, the domino affects the real thing. And like, to Miner's point earlier, the Toronto 434 00:22:02,002 --> 00:22:05,963 [Suthy]: media has not had a great batting record with predicting what the Leafs are gonna be 435 00:22:06,003 --> 00:22:11,465 [Suthy]: doing this past few years. They usually don't see what's coming. The reports are usually 436 00:22:11,525 --> 00:22:16,026 [Suthy]: inaccurate or just taking while it stabs at the, in the dark. So I don't really 437 00:22:16,066 --> 00:22:20,808 [Suthy]: take what they say with much of a grain of salt, especially like these days. Thinking 438 00:22:20,828 --> 00:22:23,148 [Suthy]: about like the last trade deadline, they had no idea what was going on. 439 00:22:24,702 --> 00:22:27,823 [Roscoe]: Yeah, I was just going to say thinking back to when we got Girodano, it was kind of 440 00:22:27,883 --> 00:22:31,225 [Roscoe]: a, there was a couple of people talking about it. Like I know Freage said that it was 441 00:22:31,365 --> 00:22:35,227 [Roscoe]: a possibility of one of the people they were going for, but I mean, we heard so 442 00:22:35,267 --> 00:22:39,590 [Roscoe]: many names floating around that the Leafs could be going for it. But yes, this 443 00:22:39,630 --> 00:22:44,292 [Roscoe]: was a year where they were finally going all in, you know, as we were told, at 444 00:22:44,332 --> 00:22:49,015 [Roscoe]: least, maybe not have been the reality. But yeah, we never really know. We've heard 445 00:22:49,475 --> 00:22:53,337 [Roscoe]: goalies and defensemen and forwards, and then all of a sudden it was Gio. It was 446 00:22:53,377 --> 00:22:54,840 [Roscoe]: like, what the fuck? Okay. 447 00:22:57,361 --> 00:22:57,642 [Suthy]: Yeah, even 448 00:22:57,651 --> 00:22:57,772 [Biehner]: Yeah, 449 00:22:57,662 --> 00:22:57,762 [Suthy]: right 450 00:22:57,792 --> 00:22:57,933 [Biehner]: it 451 00:22:57,802 --> 00:22:57,902 [Suthy]: now 452 00:22:57,953 --> 00:22:58,175 [Biehner]: just... 453 00:22:57,963 --> 00:22:58,665 [Suthy]: it's Hellebuck or 454 00:22:58,699 --> 00:22:58,820 [Biehner]: yet 455 00:22:58,705 --> 00:22:58,805 [Suthy]: it's 456 00:22:58,840 --> 00:22:59,041 [Biehner]: again, 457 00:22:58,845 --> 00:22:59,467 [Suthy]: Carlson. 458 00:22:59,102 --> 00:22:59,364 [Biehner]: I have no... 459 00:23:00,651 --> 00:23:01,152 [Suthy]: Go ahead, sorry. 460 00:23:01,804 --> 00:23:02,056 [Roscoe]: Yeah. 461 00:23:02,011 --> 00:23:07,353 [Biehner]: Yeah. No, no, you're all good. So they had like, I don't have any information 462 00:23:07,473 --> 00:23:10,854 [Biehner]: behind that. It's just kind of me pondering here like, Hey, they just signed 463 00:23:11,434 --> 00:23:16,957 [Biehner]: two of their centers. And wasn't it this season that Keith was saying, you know, 464 00:23:17,017 --> 00:23:21,298 [Biehner]: you can't find holes in homeburg's game when he has him when he had them up. 465 00:23:23,453 --> 00:23:23,956 [Suthy]: You definitely 466 00:23:23,874 --> 00:23:24,105 [Roscoe]: Yeah. 467 00:23:23,976 --> 00:23:25,184 [Suthy]: did say that or like 468 00:23:25,043 --> 00:23:26,032 [Biehner]: Right, like if the coach 469 00:23:25,828 --> 00:23:26,351 [Suthy]: something similar. 470 00:23:26,073 --> 00:23:27,466 [Biehner]: is already trusting him like that. 471 00:23:30,663 --> 00:23:34,925 [Biehner]: Yeah, like if the coach is already thinking that and you lock him up, in your 472 00:23:34,985 --> 00:23:39,347 [Biehner]: mind, yep, there's my 4C. Because that's basically what you had him playing, 473 00:23:39,387 --> 00:23:45,850 [Biehner]: 3-4C. And you have camp flocked up now, so there's your bottom two centers. Unless 474 00:23:45,890 --> 00:23:52,753 [Biehner]: the plan is to put JT on the wing full time. Which, okay, I know people are talking 475 00:23:52,773 --> 00:23:59,348 [Biehner]: about speed, but am I completely... Batshit crazy here by if you're complaining 476 00:23:59,368 --> 00:24:02,994 [Biehner]: about speed and you're putting JT on the wing. Why are you putting Rhino a center? 477 00:24:04,218 --> 00:24:08,386 [Roscoe]: Yeah, it's just, it's one of those things where it would be nice, but once you 478 00:24:08,446 --> 00:24:12,433 [Roscoe]: break it down to the, how you actually make it work and what it forces, you know, 479 00:24:12,473 --> 00:24:15,779 [Roscoe]: if you're pushing JT to the wing, it just, could you not find a better winger 480 00:24:15,820 --> 00:24:16,781 [Roscoe]: to keep JT at center? 481 00:24:18,099 --> 00:24:24,049 [Biehner]: right? His face-offs are great, his defensive side of the game is still great, 482 00:24:24,410 --> 00:24:27,656 [Biehner]: and it's not like he's even that slow. He's never been the fastest skater to 483 00:24:27,676 --> 00:24:31,022 [Biehner]: begin with. You don't have to be when you play the game a certain way. 484 00:24:32,530 --> 00:24:37,813 [Roscoe]: Yeah, so I think if you're going to end up spending five or six, six and a half, 485 00:24:38,113 --> 00:24:41,776 [Roscoe]: like on keeping Rhino, I think at that point, you might as well just see what 486 00:24:41,796 --> 00:24:45,198 [Roscoe]: you could, let there's that much out there free agency wise either. That's kind 487 00:24:45,218 --> 00:24:49,842 [Roscoe]: of the other side of this, but I think you can still make it work if you're not committing 488 00:24:49,882 --> 00:24:55,185 [Roscoe]: that money, whether it's a trade or I don't know, at least don't have much to trade 489 00:24:55,205 --> 00:24:55,385 [Roscoe]: either. 490 00:24:56,469 --> 00:24:57,178 [Suthy]: they only do it. 491 00:24:57,139 --> 00:25:02,562 [Biehner]: Like, speaking of the draft a little bit, I know this is completely random, but 492 00:25:02,582 --> 00:25:05,605 [Biehner]: I've capped Friendly up and I just showed a clip of the Leafs making that pick. 493 00:25:06,485 --> 00:25:12,930 [Biehner]: Did I miss something here, or was Brad Tree Living not supposed to be at the 494 00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:13,730 [Biehner]: draft table? 495 00:25:14,589 --> 00:25:14,709 [Suthy]: He 496 00:25:14,706 --> 00:25:14,906 [Roscoe]: So 497 00:25:14,749 --> 00:25:14,870 [Suthy]: was 498 00:25:14,946 --> 00:25:15,286 [Roscoe]: that's the 499 00:25:15,191 --> 00:25:15,774 [Suthy]: able to... 500 00:25:15,546 --> 00:25:16,006 [Roscoe]: weirdest 501 00:25:15,794 --> 00:25:16,256 [Suthy]: Go ahead, Jonny. 502 00:25:16,086 --> 00:25:17,147 [Roscoe]: rule. He's 503 00:25:17,183 --> 00:25:17,263 [Biehner]: Ha 504 00:25:17,187 --> 00:25:17,547 [Roscoe]: allowed 505 00:25:17,283 --> 00:25:17,324 [Biehner]: ha 506 00:25:17,567 --> 00:25:24,590 [Roscoe]: to be there after Calgary makes their pick at 16th, because if he joins before knowing 507 00:25:25,050 --> 00:25:28,632 [Roscoe]: all of Calgary's stuff and when they're gonna make their pick, then it would be interference. 508 00:25:28,992 --> 00:25:32,874 [Roscoe]: So once Calgary's out of the way, then he can come over and join the Leafs, which 509 00:25:33,214 --> 00:25:38,636 [Roscoe]: it makes sense. It's just like, wow. The things that they think of to make a rule 510 00:25:38,676 --> 00:25:41,257 [Roscoe]: and the things that they don't, is beyond me. 511 00:25:44,479 --> 00:25:44,905 [Biehner]: So weird. 512 00:25:46,078 --> 00:25:54,091 [Roscoe]: Okay, so if we're looking at left-wingers available, UFA, it's like, it's not good. Like, 513 00:25:54,211 --> 00:25:54,472 [Roscoe]: what do 514 00:25:54,377 --> 00:25:54,874 [Biehner]: Yeah, like. 515 00:25:54,772 --> 00:26:02,434 [Roscoe]: we, we've done this already. Are we getting JVR? Are we getting Thomas Tatar? That's 516 00:26:02,474 --> 00:26:06,377 [Roscoe]: kind of it. Because the rest of them are Nick Richie, Pierre Engvall, Andreas Janssen, 517 00:26:06,437 --> 00:26:12,482 [Roscoe]: and we've done this. Michael Bunting, like Josh Levo, Connor Brown. Like, we can 518 00:26:12,562 --> 00:26:18,567 [Roscoe]: just bring somebody back. So it's going to have to be a trade. And in fact, there's 519 00:26:18,607 --> 00:26:21,829 [Roscoe]: nobody to trade for. So we end up back at do we resign Ryan O'Reilly. 520 00:26:23,723 --> 00:26:32,789 [Biehner]: That it's such a weird year and like with the way the caps going to be like nobody 521 00:26:32,809 --> 00:26:38,273 [Biehner]: has any idea what the caps going to be in the coming years. But with how much 522 00:26:38,373 --> 00:26:44,717 [Biehner]: it should have grown without the pandemic and then how close they are to getting 523 00:26:44,737 --> 00:26:50,541 [Biehner]: the escrow paid off. You can even just look at the growth of the other big leagues 524 00:26:51,141 --> 00:26:52,742 [Biehner]: in the time since the pandemic like 525 00:26:53,186 --> 00:26:55,693 [Roscoe]: what's insane how stagnant the NHL has been. 526 00:26:56,655 --> 00:27:00,025 [Biehner]: Absolutely. Yet another reason that we need to get rid of Batman. But we'll not 527 00:27:00,045 --> 00:27:00,727 [Biehner]: get into that today. 528 00:27:01,394 --> 00:27:05,835 [Roscoe]: And another reason that the Players Association needs to step their shit up, man. 529 00:27:06,175 --> 00:27:10,437 [Roscoe]: Like I know they just got, what's his name, Walsh in there, but like, this is 530 00:27:10,477 --> 00:27:13,337 [Roscoe]: them losing out on a lot of money. This is 531 00:27:13,611 --> 00:27:13,862 [Biehner]: ton. 532 00:27:13,658 --> 00:27:18,359 [Roscoe]: heavily impacting the contracts that are going around the NHL. And it's disproportionately 533 00:27:18,399 --> 00:27:24,161 [Roscoe]: affecting like the middle pack. Like the guys, like we've talked about this, guys 534 00:27:24,181 --> 00:27:28,271 [Roscoe]: that make anywhere from three to $6 million, it's... heavily affecting those guys 535 00:27:28,291 --> 00:27:31,556 [Roscoe]: because teams can't afford those. You're either on a league men or your superstar. 536 00:27:32,057 --> 00:27:35,202 [Roscoe]: Like there's no room for much in between on a lot of teams. And that's why you got, 537 00:27:35,522 --> 00:27:38,227 [Roscoe]: what was it like 16 teams? That's they're going to be over the cap this year. 538 00:27:38,247 --> 00:27:39,969 [Roscoe]: And there's not really anything they can do about it. 539 00:27:41,235 --> 00:27:42,343 [Biehner]: Yeah, like, 540 00:27:42,282 --> 00:27:43,130 [Roscoe]: It's hard until 541 00:27:42,867 --> 00:27:43,028 [Biehner]: so. 542 00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:44,280 [Roscoe]: it can't be, like... 543 00:27:45,827 --> 00:27:50,610 [Biehner]: It's just everything's just so up in the air because of those factors. Like I 544 00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:54,693 [Biehner]: know Rhino's getting up there in age, but do you get a little wink, nudge, nudge 545 00:27:54,733 --> 00:28:02,318 [Biehner]: sign one year at 4 million and then we'll re-up you for four years at, I don't 546 00:28:02,358 --> 00:28:06,681 [Biehner]: know, four years at 4 million later where you wouldn't be getting that in the later 547 00:28:06,701 --> 00:28:09,723 [Biehner]: part of your career if you sign now, but when the cap goes up, it's not going to 548 00:28:09,743 --> 00:28:13,546 [Biehner]: affect us as much. Like I'm literally no research behind that. Just throwing numbers 549 00:28:13,626 --> 00:28:15,730 [Biehner]: out. talking point but. 550 00:28:16,902 --> 00:28:20,848 [Roscoe]: Yeah, like realistically the cap should be what, 10 million higher than it is right 551 00:28:20,888 --> 00:28:22,271 [Roscoe]: now. Like 552 00:28:22,108 --> 00:28:22,312 [Biehner]: Easy. 553 00:28:23,192 --> 00:28:29,629 [Roscoe]: it's insane. So going up another million, it's like. Man, it's like, you know when they 554 00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:34,221 [Roscoe]: say every year if you don't get, what is it, a 3% or 6% raise or something with inflation, 555 00:28:34,602 --> 00:28:37,309 [Roscoe]: you're like getting a deduction. It's like beyond that. 556 00:28:38,567 --> 00:28:44,388 [Biehner]: Yeah, we should be pushing up and getting close to 100 million over the next 557 00:28:44,414 --> 00:28:44,594 [Roscoe]: Yeah, 558 00:28:44,428 --> 00:28:44,930 [Biehner]: couple years. 559 00:28:45,477 --> 00:28:49,149 [Roscoe]: I've got cats scratching at my door. One sec, you guys can take over for a minute. 560 00:28:50,291 --> 00:28:56,239 [Biehner]: We've already had enough of the Panthers, okay? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha 561 00:28:58,343 --> 00:29:03,388 [Biehner]: Like, I don't know what your thoughts are on it, Sadi, but with the way the free 562 00:29:03,448 --> 00:29:09,614 [Biehner]: agency group is looking this year, like I'd love to have Rhino back, but it all 563 00:29:09,774 --> 00:29:16,221 [Biehner]: depends on the cost. And then who could we get in without having to mortgage 564 00:29:16,241 --> 00:29:18,723 [Biehner]: our future trading everybody and everything away 565 00:29:19,901 --> 00:29:20,041 [Suthy]: You 566 00:29:19,964 --> 00:29:20,205 [Biehner]: to get 567 00:29:20,101 --> 00:29:20,341 [Suthy]: really 568 00:29:20,245 --> 00:29:20,725 [Biehner]: the help? Like 569 00:29:20,722 --> 00:29:21,143 [Suthy]: can't. 570 00:29:20,745 --> 00:29:21,766 [Biehner]: we have NICE coming in. 571 00:29:23,046 --> 00:29:26,893 [Suthy]: Yeah, you like your fingers crossed you have Robertson coming back to, right? If 572 00:29:26,933 --> 00:29:27,394 [Suthy]: that guy can 573 00:29:27,401 --> 00:29:27,569 [Biehner]: Yeah. 574 00:29:27,414 --> 00:29:31,160 [Suthy]: stay healthy, that really changes like your middle of line order here. 575 00:29:32,479 --> 00:29:42,184 [Biehner]: Huge, absolutely. It's so tough because if you talk to anybody in the media, the Leafs 576 00:29:42,224 --> 00:29:45,925 [Biehner]: need defense. So everybody's always saying, get them defense, get them defense. 577 00:29:46,286 --> 00:29:50,288 [Biehner]: Whereas what's really hindered us the last couple of years in the playoffs has 578 00:29:50,328 --> 00:29:52,689 [Biehner]: been the secondary scoring. As 579 00:29:52,602 --> 00:29:53,006 [Suthy]: Exactly. 580 00:29:52,729 --> 00:29:55,730 [Biehner]: much as everybody wants to rip. Go ahead. 581 00:29:56,573 --> 00:30:01,597 [Suthy]: Like imagine losing Nylander too, like how slow would Tavares's line be then? But 582 00:30:01,617 --> 00:30:04,961 [Suthy]: if you can have him and Robertson say flanking him, then it maybe doesn't matter 583 00:30:04,981 --> 00:30:07,323 [Suthy]: if he's that slow, right? Cause he's just going to be in front of the net. He's 584 00:30:07,363 --> 00:30:11,487 [Suthy]: going to do what he does. Every year he's getting a little wiser. He's changing 585 00:30:11,527 --> 00:30:15,591 [Suthy]: his game. But yeah, you're right. Like the defense isn't everything. I know the line 586 00:30:15,611 --> 00:30:20,736 [Suthy]: scoring is quite important, especially with speed. And there's no one out there that 587 00:30:20,756 --> 00:30:21,576 [Suthy]: you can just go target. 588 00:30:23,758 --> 00:30:27,061 [Roscoe]: Speaking of Newlander, what do we think contract wise? Because that's getting 589 00:30:27,141 --> 00:30:33,767 [Roscoe]: speculated about now, especially with some comparables. And I know we've tried to 590 00:30:33,807 --> 00:30:37,250 [Roscoe]: come up with a comparable to him and it's not super easy, but we've just seen Timo 591 00:30:37,270 --> 00:30:38,491 [Roscoe]: Meyer sign 8 times 8.8, 592 00:30:42,401 --> 00:30:42,463 [Suthy]: I'm 593 00:30:42,495 --> 00:30:43,536 [Roscoe]: Pierre-Luc 594 00:30:42,504 --> 00:30:42,649 [Suthy]: sorry. 595 00:30:43,716 --> 00:30:49,761 [Roscoe]: Dubois sign 8 times 8.5. Aaron Arn and Iron Arn. That was so hard. 596 00:30:50,769 --> 00:30:54,200 [Suthy]: I mean, for this year, those are your comparables, aren't they? 597 00:30:55,594 --> 00:31:02,164 [Roscoe]: Yeah, honestly, I think, Beener, you said 8.8 because it's fun, right? I think that's 598 00:31:02,184 --> 00:31:02,945 [Roscoe]: what we're gonna get. 599 00:31:03,647 --> 00:31:08,754 [Biehner]: Well, like, and that's like, I could honestly see that being something Willie would 600 00:31:08,794 --> 00:31:08,974 [Biehner]: do. 601 00:31:10,025 --> 00:31:10,314 [Roscoe]: Oh yeah. 602 00:31:10,537 --> 00:31:10,721 [Suthy]: Yeah. 603 00:31:10,937 --> 00:31:16,324 [Biehner]: Because he's so like, is aloof the right term for it? Like he's so nothing bothers 604 00:31:16,384 --> 00:31:19,629 [Biehner]: him. Like just, okay, you want to give me a contract? Yeah, that's my Jersey 605 00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:20,670 [Biehner]: number. Sure. Let's do it. 606 00:31:20,989 --> 00:31:22,399 [Suthy]: Yeah, he's very lucky I go easy. 607 00:31:23,373 --> 00:31:23,434 [Biehner]: Ha 608 00:31:23,422 --> 00:31:23,582 [Roscoe]: Yeah, 609 00:31:23,495 --> 00:31:23,596 [Biehner]: ha! 610 00:31:23,682 --> 00:31:28,649 [Roscoe]: that's totally how his negotiation went last time. 611 00:31:28,223 --> 00:31:28,724 [Biehner]: Maybe he just 612 00:31:28,689 --> 00:31:28,749 [Roscoe]: It 613 00:31:28,764 --> 00:31:29,065 [Biehner]: hated 614 00:31:28,769 --> 00:31:28,889 [Roscoe]: was 615 00:31:28,910 --> 00:31:29,150 [Suthy]: Yeah, 616 00:31:28,949 --> 00:31:29,310 [Roscoe]: totally 617 00:31:29,105 --> 00:31:29,546 [Biehner]: doobest. 618 00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:31,413 [Roscoe]: cool. It just said, I'll sign whatever you put in front of me. 619 00:31:31,531 --> 00:31:36,273 [Suthy]: if you can get it under nine, that's a whole different ball game. But I probably 620 00:31:36,293 --> 00:31:39,275 [Suthy]: think it's going to be between nine and nine point five. And it is a different 621 00:31:39,295 --> 00:31:43,977 [Suthy]: ball game, too, because Dubis had a lot more patience. Brad doesn't this time. 622 00:31:43,997 --> 00:31:48,859 [Suthy]: If he's not going to get it done relatively quickly, he will look to move him. So I think 623 00:31:48,919 --> 00:31:52,660 [Suthy]: Newlanders can't pass the factor in that as well. Does he want to stay in Toronto? 624 00:31:54,406 --> 00:31:59,408 [Roscoe]: Yeah, and I mean, with comparables again, we can see what you could get for moving 625 00:31:59,448 --> 00:32:04,170 [Roscoe]: him because we just saw Pierre-Luc Dubois not only sign but then traded. So, I 626 00:32:04,145 --> 00:32:04,266 [Suthy]: They 627 00:32:04,190 --> 00:32:04,330 [Roscoe]: mean, 628 00:32:04,286 --> 00:32:04,427 [Suthy]: got 629 00:32:04,350 --> 00:32:04,490 [Roscoe]: you're 630 00:32:04,488 --> 00:32:04,508 [Suthy]: a 631 00:32:04,510 --> 00:32:04,770 [Roscoe]: looking 632 00:32:04,669 --> 00:32:05,274 [Suthy]: shitload 633 00:32:04,790 --> 00:32:04,870 [Roscoe]: at 634 00:32:05,294 --> 00:32:05,596 [Suthy]: for him. 635 00:32:06,231 --> 00:32:11,693 [Roscoe]: a package that includes Gabe Velarde, Alex Alofolo, Rasmus Kapari, and a second round 636 00:32:11,753 --> 00:32:14,395 [Roscoe]: pick next year. I mean, 637 00:32:15,295 --> 00:32:15,442 [Biehner]: So. 638 00:32:15,395 --> 00:32:19,717 [Roscoe]: I know PLD to Willie's not a complete one-to-one, but that's pretty close, man. 639 00:32:20,763 --> 00:32:25,850 [Biehner]: I was going to say like, Dubois has a center. Centers always get valued higher 640 00:32:27,112 --> 00:32:33,402 [Biehner]: as much as it shouldn't factor into it. Dubois was third overall. Willie was what? 641 00:32:34,544 --> 00:32:36,226 [Biehner]: Eight? Seventh, eighths? 642 00:32:36,010 --> 00:32:36,994 [Suthy]: Yeah, it's 70. 643 00:32:36,866 --> 00:32:37,050 [Roscoe]: Like 644 00:32:37,054 --> 00:32:37,215 [Suthy]: It's 645 00:32:37,071 --> 00:32:37,399 [Roscoe]: seventh. 646 00:32:37,235 --> 00:32:38,360 [Suthy]: somewhere in the top 10 647 00:32:38,695 --> 00:32:41,499 [Biehner]: As silly as it sounds, that shouldn't factor into it, but a lot of the old school 648 00:32:41,539 --> 00:32:45,265 [Biehner]: GMs are like, oh, I'm trading a seventh overall for a third, what the hell? 649 00:32:45,968 --> 00:32:47,723 [Suthy]: There's also the fact that... Sorry, go ahead. 650 00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:47,977 [Roscoe]: 8. 651 00:32:49,971 --> 00:32:56,899 [Biehner]: No, no, that's okay. Like, I hate using the term. I hate using the term and I 652 00:32:56,919 --> 00:33:02,766 [Biehner]: don't know him as a person. But he was drafted the same year as Matthews, and 653 00:33:02,806 --> 00:33:05,870 [Biehner]: he's now requested to be traded out of two different franchises. 654 00:33:06,473 --> 00:33:07,235 [Suthy]: That's what I was just 655 00:33:07,230 --> 00:33:07,470 [Roscoe]: Yeah, 656 00:33:07,256 --> 00:33:08,259 [Suthy]: gonna say. And he 657 00:33:08,293 --> 00:33:08,373 [Roscoe]: and 658 00:33:08,299 --> 00:33:08,460 [Suthy]: has 659 00:33:08,393 --> 00:33:08,594 [Roscoe]: he didn't 660 00:33:08,500 --> 00:33:08,821 [Suthy]: shifts 661 00:33:08,614 --> 00:33:08,834 [Roscoe]: even get 662 00:33:08,841 --> 00:33:09,022 [Suthy]: where 663 00:33:08,854 --> 00:33:09,155 [Roscoe]: to go where 664 00:33:09,082 --> 00:33:09,363 [Suthy]: he, 665 00:33:09,175 --> 00:33:09,536 [Roscoe]: he wanted. 666 00:33:09,725 --> 00:33:10,849 [Suthy]: not even shifts, like periods 667 00:33:10,651 --> 00:33:10,953 [Biehner]: And like 668 00:33:10,869 --> 00:33:11,571 [Suthy]: where he will take 669 00:33:11,516 --> 00:33:12,340 [Biehner]: this franchise 670 00:33:11,872 --> 00:33:12,354 [Suthy]: the complete 671 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:12,481 [Biehner]: that 672 00:33:12,394 --> 00:33:12,675 [Suthy]: period 673 00:33:12,501 --> 00:33:13,165 [Biehner]: he requested 674 00:33:12,756 --> 00:33:12,896 [Suthy]: off. 675 00:33:13,185 --> 00:33:14,090 [Biehner]: to be traded out of. 676 00:33:18,218 --> 00:33:18,405 [Suthy]: Yep. 677 00:33:25,094 --> 00:33:25,358 [Suthy]: One go. 678 00:33:26,334 --> 00:33:34,137 [Roscoe]: Yeah, sorry, you're cutting out there, Sadi, a little bit. So we've seen a couple 679 00:33:34,177 --> 00:33:41,180 [Roscoe]: trades go down here. Alex Newhook going for a first, second, and Gianni Fairbrother. 680 00:33:41,580 --> 00:33:47,783 [Roscoe]: So I mean, like, PIX is also a thing. Realistically, if we're looking at contract 681 00:33:48,584 --> 00:33:54,714 [Roscoe]: negotiations fall through, what are you getting in return for? William Nylander. 682 00:33:54,754 --> 00:33:58,238 [Roscoe]: Like you said, he's not a center, he's a winger. But I mean, I think you could 683 00:33:58,278 --> 00:34:05,667 [Roscoe]: get two guys and a pick, like a second. Is that like, you know, maybe one player less 684 00:34:05,707 --> 00:34:08,189 [Roscoe]: than the Dubois trade? Like, is that crazy? 685 00:34:09,887 --> 00:34:15,934 [Biehner]: We don't, like, we're not at that point. Like, we're not Winnipeg who's gonna 686 00:34:15,974 --> 00:34:23,664 [Biehner]: have to be going through a rebuild. We, trading Nylander for two prospects in a 687 00:34:23,704 --> 00:34:25,546 [Biehner]: pick doesn't do jack shit for us. 688 00:34:26,002 --> 00:34:26,483 [Roscoe]: Oh, I'm not saying 689 00:34:26,337 --> 00:34:26,477 [Suthy]: No, 690 00:34:26,523 --> 00:34:26,623 [Roscoe]: it's 691 00:34:26,537 --> 00:34:26,758 [Suthy]: I think 692 00:34:26,663 --> 00:34:26,844 [Roscoe]: a good 693 00:34:26,818 --> 00:34:26,878 [Suthy]: if 694 00:34:26,884 --> 00:34:27,124 [Roscoe]: idea 695 00:34:26,918 --> 00:34:27,399 [Suthy]: you're 696 00:34:27,145 --> 00:34:27,445 [Roscoe]: and I'm not 697 00:34:27,419 --> 00:34:27,519 [Suthy]: going 698 00:34:27,465 --> 00:34:27,786 [Roscoe]: saying 699 00:34:27,540 --> 00:34:28,021 [Suthy]: to trade them, 700 00:34:28,388 --> 00:34:29,029 [Roscoe]: prospects. 701 00:34:28,602 --> 00:34:33,573 [Suthy]: you might even look to do a one for one type of trade. I feel that's 702 00:34:33,492 --> 00:34:33,777 [Roscoe]: Oh boy. 703 00:34:33,653 --> 00:34:35,076 [Suthy]: the kind of the move that you would want to look for. 704 00:34:36,286 --> 00:34:36,791 [Roscoe]: one that's already 705 00:34:36,553 --> 00:34:36,679 [Biehner]: Hey. 706 00:34:37,054 --> 00:34:37,700 [Roscoe]: under contract. 707 00:34:39,163 --> 00:34:42,569 [Biehner]: It, it, the last time that happened for the Leafs, it kind of worked for us with 708 00:34:42,609 --> 00:34:43,510 [Biehner]: JVR for Shen. 709 00:34:45,716 --> 00:34:45,963 [Roscoe]: Yeah. 710 00:34:46,663 --> 00:34:50,491 [Biehner]: Like at the time I hated it because I love Shannon. I've talked about that multiple 711 00:34:50,532 --> 00:34:56,586 [Biehner]: times when he came back. It was awesome. But at the time JVR was a great ad for the 712 00:34:56,626 --> 00:34:56,886 [Biehner]: Leafs. 713 00:34:57,771 --> 00:34:58,341 [Roscoe]: Yep, that's 714 00:34:58,349 --> 00:34:58,529 [Suthy]: Yeah, 715 00:34:58,382 --> 00:34:58,647 [Roscoe]: true. 716 00:34:58,629 --> 00:35:02,091 [Suthy]: because if you lose Nylander, like that hurts Tavares's line so much. It hurts 717 00:35:02,111 --> 00:35:06,673 [Suthy]: the secondary scoring. You can't fill that in by having a couple prospects who are 718 00:35:06,713 --> 00:35:10,374 [Suthy]: a year or two away. That's just, then you're banking on Robertson, you're banking 719 00:35:10,414 --> 00:35:14,877 [Suthy]: on Knives. It's way too much of the chance for a team whose window is right now. 720 00:35:16,746 --> 00:35:20,968 [Roscoe]: Yeah, I mean, obviously, look, we'd love to have him stay. I'm hoping it's under 721 00:35:21,048 --> 00:35:25,290 [Roscoe]: nine. You get him for eight years. Like, that's going to be so great once this 722 00:35:25,330 --> 00:35:26,690 [Roscoe]: cap starts going up. But man, 723 00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:27,551 [Suthy]: Yes. 724 00:35:27,291 --> 00:35:31,673 [Roscoe]: like I've said in the past, he has all of the arguments in his corner, especially 725 00:35:31,693 --> 00:35:34,894 [Roscoe]: with leading the team in goals last year. Like his agent's got a lot of ammo to 726 00:35:34,914 --> 00:35:38,856 [Roscoe]: come into this negotiation. And for living doesn't have the record of dealing with 727 00:35:38,876 --> 00:35:39,437 [Roscoe]: them yet. So 728 00:35:40,325 --> 00:35:40,505 [Suthy]: I mean, 729 00:35:40,517 --> 00:35:40,657 [Roscoe]: we'll 730 00:35:40,545 --> 00:35:41,126 [Suthy]: the PLD 731 00:35:40,677 --> 00:35:41,217 [Roscoe]: see how it plays 732 00:35:41,146 --> 00:35:41,307 [Suthy]: and the 733 00:35:41,277 --> 00:35:41,377 [Roscoe]: out. 734 00:35:41,347 --> 00:35:46,658 [Suthy]: Timo Meyer thing just happened. That doesn't help Newlanders camp very much for 735 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:47,039 [Suthy]: leverage 736 00:35:46,886 --> 00:35:47,006 [Roscoe]: No, 737 00:35:47,059 --> 00:35:47,480 [Suthy]: anyways. 738 00:35:47,066 --> 00:35:52,749 [Roscoe]: the Timo Meyer one especially, particularly because he was just moved for a package, right? 739 00:35:52,789 --> 00:35:56,411 [Roscoe]: Like at the deadline that wasn't, you know, something that he's not sticking 740 00:35:56,431 --> 00:36:02,815 [Roscoe]: with the team that drafted him. So that one's, and I mean, Dubois too, but I think 741 00:36:02,875 --> 00:36:07,278 [Roscoe]: that the Timo Meyer one more so because he was touted as such an asset at the deadline. 742 00:36:07,578 --> 00:36:11,560 [Roscoe]: Whereas Dubois has been a bit of a, you know, like we've said, a question mark 743 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,301 [Roscoe]: and asking his way out of most teams. 744 00:36:15,591 --> 00:36:20,132 [Biehner]: He couldn't even find a way to be happy and stay on a team that also employs 745 00:36:20,172 --> 00:36:20,614 [Biehner]: his father. 746 00:36:22,398 --> 00:36:28,411 [Roscoe]: I mean, to be fair, it was Columbus and Winnipeg. It's not like they're shining 747 00:36:28,532 --> 00:36:30,937 [Roscoe]: stars of cities to live and play in. 748 00:36:33,942 --> 00:36:34,026 [Suthy]: Mmm. 749 00:36:34,267 --> 00:36:36,802 [Biehner]: I'd still rather that than Arizona. 750 00:36:38,450 --> 00:36:43,433 [Roscoe]: Um, I wouldn't. The weather in Winnipeg sucks and the culture around the blue jackets 751 00:36:43,473 --> 00:36:46,555 [Roscoe]: is not great, so... Like, you'd 752 00:36:46,547 --> 00:36:46,588 [Biehner]: I 753 00:36:46,595 --> 00:36:46,796 [Roscoe]: rather 754 00:36:46,608 --> 00:36:46,689 [Biehner]: did. 755 00:36:46,856 --> 00:36:49,257 [Roscoe]: live in Columbus, Ohio than in Arizona? 756 00:36:50,159 --> 00:36:52,033 [Biehner]: At least you know your check is gonna cash. 757 00:36:53,606 --> 00:36:56,053 [Roscoe]: Oh, I mean... 758 00:36:55,806 --> 00:36:56,146 [Suthy]: You get to 759 00:36:56,154 --> 00:36:56,216 [Biehner]: Ha 760 00:36:56,187 --> 00:36:56,347 [Suthy]: play 761 00:36:56,278 --> 00:36:56,380 [Biehner]: ha! 762 00:36:56,367 --> 00:36:56,988 [Suthy]: in front of people. 763 00:36:58,716 --> 00:36:58,941 [Biehner]: Yeah, 764 00:36:58,858 --> 00:36:58,978 [Roscoe]: Let's 765 00:36:58,982 --> 00:36:59,187 [Biehner]: that's 766 00:36:58,998 --> 00:36:59,439 [Roscoe]: just say 767 00:36:59,228 --> 00:36:59,453 [Biehner]: true. 768 00:36:59,780 --> 00:37:03,572 [Roscoe]: DuPois is not gonna hate playing for the Kings. Like, I know he's heartbroken he 769 00:37:03,592 --> 00:37:06,239 [Roscoe]: didn't get to go to Montreal, but I honestly don't think it would have been great 770 00:37:06,279 --> 00:37:06,921 [Roscoe]: for him there. 771 00:37:09,469 --> 00:37:10,354 [Suthy]: I wonder how heartbroken 772 00:37:10,181 --> 00:37:10,305 [Roscoe]: Ugh. 773 00:37:10,394 --> 00:37:13,149 [Suthy]: he is, really. Probably dodged 774 00:37:12,894 --> 00:37:13,174 [Roscoe]: Again, 775 00:37:13,159 --> 00:37:13,320 [Biehner]: Well, 776 00:37:13,169 --> 00:37:13,551 [Suthy]: the bullet 777 00:37:13,275 --> 00:37:13,435 [Roscoe]: I don't 778 00:37:13,591 --> 00:37:13,792 [Suthy]: there. 779 00:37:15,059 --> 00:37:15,179 [Roscoe]: think 780 00:37:15,110 --> 00:37:15,210 [Biehner]: I'm 781 00:37:15,199 --> 00:37:15,259 [Roscoe]: you 782 00:37:15,230 --> 00:37:15,391 [Biehner]: sure 783 00:37:15,279 --> 00:37:15,460 [Roscoe]: could be 784 00:37:15,411 --> 00:37:15,552 [Biehner]: we'll 785 00:37:15,500 --> 00:37:15,901 [Roscoe]: heartbroken 786 00:37:15,572 --> 00:37:15,974 [Biehner]: find out in 787 00:37:15,961 --> 00:37:16,121 [Roscoe]: going 788 00:37:15,995 --> 00:37:16,256 [Biehner]: a couple 789 00:37:16,161 --> 00:37:16,201 [Roscoe]: to 790 00:37:16,276 --> 00:37:16,578 [Biehner]: of years. 791 00:37:16,342 --> 00:37:18,146 [Roscoe]: LA. Yeah, 792 00:37:17,408 --> 00:37:17,618 [Suthy]: Yeah. 793 00:37:18,547 --> 00:37:19,649 [Roscoe]: when he asked for his way out. 794 00:37:20,141 --> 00:37:20,652 [Suthy]: Exactly. 795 00:37:22,460 --> 00:37:24,821 [Roscoe]: when he shows up in Montreal again before his contract's up. 796 00:37:28,426 --> 00:37:32,628 [Roscoe]: What other, any other trades? We got Riley Smith moved, Ross Colton moved, Tyler 797 00:37:32,668 --> 00:37:38,851 [Roscoe]: Toffoli for Igor Serengovic and a third round pick. Andre Schuster, I missed 798 00:37:38,871 --> 00:37:42,833 [Roscoe]: that one for Andrew Agostino. So I mean, like there were trades today. It's just 799 00:37:42,873 --> 00:37:46,855 [Roscoe]: crazy that nothing happened on the draft floor. Oh, 800 00:37:46,815 --> 00:37:46,935 [Biehner]: Well 801 00:37:46,875 --> 00:37:46,956 [Roscoe]: some 802 00:37:46,955 --> 00:37:47,116 [Biehner]: those 803 00:37:46,976 --> 00:37:47,136 [Roscoe]: of these 804 00:37:47,137 --> 00:37:47,217 [Biehner]: were 805 00:37:47,156 --> 00:37:48,396 [Roscoe]: were 806 00:37:47,257 --> 00:37:48,484 [Biehner]: over the last couple days, those aren't 807 00:37:48,436 --> 00:37:48,877 [Roscoe]: yesterday. 808 00:37:48,525 --> 00:37:48,726 [Biehner]: today. 809 00:37:49,417 --> 00:37:49,517 [Roscoe]: There 810 00:37:49,501 --> 00:37:49,721 [Suthy]: Yeah, 811 00:37:49,537 --> 00:37:50,137 [Roscoe]: were a couple today, 812 00:37:49,942 --> 00:37:50,324 [Suthy]: new hook 813 00:37:50,197 --> 00:37:50,477 [Roscoe]: but 814 00:37:50,364 --> 00:37:50,705 [Suthy]: as well, 815 00:37:50,497 --> 00:37:50,657 [Roscoe]: you know. 816 00:37:50,805 --> 00:37:51,648 [Suthy]: going to Montreal. 817 00:37:52,850 --> 00:37:59,244 [Roscoe]: Yeah, new hook, Mackenzie Blackwood going to San Jose for a sixth round pick. That 818 00:37:59,284 --> 00:37:59,905 [Roscoe]: one was surprising. 819 00:38:00,865 --> 00:38:03,369 [Suthy]: Super hot take by Dirty Bruder on that one too. 820 00:38:05,045 --> 00:38:05,253 [Roscoe]: Oh yeah. 821 00:38:05,259 --> 00:38:05,541 [Biehner]: super 822 00:38:05,292 --> 00:38:05,613 [Suthy]: What did he 823 00:38:05,561 --> 00:38:05,763 [Biehner]: hot 824 00:38:05,653 --> 00:38:05,853 [Suthy]: say? 825 00:38:05,783 --> 00:38:07,537 [Biehner]: take that I do not agree 826 00:38:07,396 --> 00:38:07,516 [Suthy]: He's 827 00:38:07,557 --> 00:38:07,678 [Biehner]: with. 828 00:38:08,238 --> 00:38:11,964 [Suthy]: gonna win a Vezina one year? Shout out to Dirty. 829 00:38:12,775 --> 00:38:16,701 [Roscoe]: Is that what you said? I'm pulling this shit up. What did he say? Hot take alert, 830 00:38:16,721 --> 00:38:20,166 [Roscoe]: Mackenzie Blackwood will be a Vezna winner. Devils have been terrible with tender 831 00:38:20,186 --> 00:38:24,392 [Roscoe]: since Broder left. Cockin and Reiner now Blackwood. It's not a bad tendy lineup 832 00:38:24,432 --> 00:38:27,897 [Roscoe]: if Blackwood stays healthy and is good as I predict. That's from Dirty Broderer. 833 00:38:31,482 --> 00:38:37,384 [Roscoe]: The other one here that was a bit of an eye-opener for a lot of people was we 834 00:38:37,404 --> 00:38:41,106 [Roscoe]: were waiting for this huge St. Louis Blues Philadelphia Flyers trade to go down 835 00:38:41,266 --> 00:38:47,249 [Roscoe]: and then it just ended up being Kevin Hayes for a sixth round pick. Kevin Hayes wasn't 836 00:38:47,269 --> 00:38:49,229 [Roscoe]: at 50% retained too. Like... 837 00:38:49,493 --> 00:38:49,798 [Suthy]: 50%. 838 00:38:52,262 --> 00:38:57,807 [Roscoe]: I get it, they're clearing three and a half mil of cap space by retaining even 50%. 839 00:38:58,407 --> 00:39:04,173 [Roscoe]: But like, man, it just shows how hard it is to get rid of contracts, like back to 840 00:39:04,193 --> 00:39:07,295 [Roscoe]: this cap thing. Like nobody can take on anything. Like if you're stuck with a bad 841 00:39:07,335 --> 00:39:12,320 [Roscoe]: contract, you're stuck with it, man. Arizona is not open for business anymore. 842 00:39:14,696 --> 00:39:14,920 [Biehner]: Yeah. 843 00:39:17,787 --> 00:39:18,091 [Roscoe]: Part N1. 844 00:39:19,069 --> 00:39:23,434 [Suthy]: Like you have to think maybe he, the whole locker room issue, just they need a whole 845 00:39:23,474 --> 00:39:28,560 [Suthy]: reset there. So if they were going to swallow 50%, something was up behind the 846 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:28,880 [Suthy]: scenes. 847 00:39:29,898 --> 00:39:34,065 [Roscoe]: Yeah, it's three years of $3.5 million for a six round pick, man. 848 00:39:35,187 --> 00:39:36,058 [Biehner]: Well, torts hate some. 849 00:39:37,183 --> 00:39:38,645 [Roscoe]: Yeah, we know it's insane. 850 00:39:38,645 --> 00:39:38,827 [Suthy]: Oh, 100%. 851 00:39:42,542 --> 00:39:47,106 [Roscoe]: Oh, and fuck, Taylor Hall and Nick Foligno go to Chicago to play with Bernard. 852 00:39:47,147 --> 00:39:47,507 [Roscoe]: That's. 853 00:39:48,917 --> 00:39:49,685 [Suthy]: Oh yeah, and then Felino 854 00:39:49,407 --> 00:39:49,688 [Biehner]: What is 855 00:39:49,705 --> 00:39:49,887 [Suthy]: gets 856 00:39:49,708 --> 00:39:49,989 [Biehner]: this, the 857 00:39:49,928 --> 00:39:50,170 [Suthy]: four 858 00:39:50,009 --> 00:39:50,230 [Biehner]: trade 859 00:39:50,211 --> 00:39:50,615 [Suthy]: sheets. 860 00:39:50,250 --> 00:39:51,374 [Biehner]: deadline from two years ago? 861 00:39:52,306 --> 00:39:56,329 [Roscoe]: Yeah, like this is, it's been exciting. I'm just like waiting. I know Leaps, we got 862 00:39:56,349 --> 00:40:00,593 [Roscoe]: some signings. We got Camp back and Holmberg, that's cool and all. Signing David 863 00:40:00,613 --> 00:40:03,635 [Roscoe]: Camp is actually like a pretty big one, especially for four years. I'm pretty 864 00:40:03,655 --> 00:40:09,460 [Roscoe]: stoked on that. But I don't know, I'm just waiting for... for Big Bad Brad to 865 00:40:09,961 --> 00:40:10,781 [Roscoe]: pull the trigger on something. 866 00:40:11,849 --> 00:40:15,524 [Suthy]: You're not going to see anything until the whole Austin Matthews domino falls. 867 00:40:17,370 --> 00:40:24,321 [Roscoe]: Yeah. Oh, Connor Ingram signing three times of 1.95, speaking of Arizona, that's 868 00:40:24,341 --> 00:40:28,228 [Roscoe]: a pretty good deal, I think. They've got a good tendy duo for a team that wants 869 00:40:28,248 --> 00:40:29,029 [Roscoe]: to not be good. 870 00:40:32,321 --> 00:40:32,808 [Suthy]: Trade bait 871 00:40:32,857 --> 00:40:33,041 [Biehner]: Yeah, 872 00:40:32,970 --> 00:40:33,153 [Suthy]: at the 873 00:40:33,082 --> 00:40:33,224 [Biehner]: well 874 00:40:33,193 --> 00:40:33,579 [Suthy]: deadline. 875 00:40:33,265 --> 00:40:33,551 [Biehner]: we- 876 00:40:36,714 --> 00:40:40,190 [Biehner]: or Vimalca's trade bait, I think you could get a great return for Vimalca. 877 00:40:40,746 --> 00:40:46,224 [Roscoe]: No kidding. Fuck. I want him. Can we get him please to the Leafs? I'm gonna keep 878 00:40:46,235 --> 00:40:46,415 [Biehner]: Isn't 879 00:40:46,264 --> 00:40:46,465 [Roscoe]: saying 880 00:40:46,456 --> 00:40:46,596 [Biehner]: that 881 00:40:46,485 --> 00:40:46,625 [Roscoe]: that. 882 00:40:47,138 --> 00:40:51,794 [Biehner]: another weird one? How ridiculously quiet it's been on the whole Samsonov front? 883 00:40:52,418 --> 00:40:56,140 [Roscoe]: There has been, again, since our last episode, we talked about, like, no one's talking 884 00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:00,442 [Roscoe]: about goalies. Still, we have no idea who's gonna play in head. I'm hearing Hellebuck 885 00:41:00,482 --> 00:41:03,925 [Roscoe]: to, was it Jersey, 886 00:41:04,725 --> 00:41:05,210 [Suthy]: Jersey, 887 00:41:05,025 --> 00:41:05,285 [Roscoe]: I think? 888 00:41:05,392 --> 00:41:06,807 [Suthy]: Buffalo was rumbling around. 889 00:41:08,050 --> 00:41:12,153 [Roscoe]: Yeah, so like there's no rumours of goalies going to the Leaf, so I have no idea 890 00:41:12,173 --> 00:41:16,356 [Roscoe]: what their plan is there. I guess it's pretty hard to pick up on rumours when 891 00:41:16,396 --> 00:41:20,060 [Roscoe]: Brad's coming in and probably, you know, locking down info and it's, you know, 892 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,281 [Roscoe]: people don't want to leak stuff on the new guy, so... 893 00:41:22,733 --> 00:41:25,664 [Suthy]: Leafs run a tight shit, man. It's hard getting anything out of them. 894 00:41:26,878 --> 00:41:31,861 [Roscoe]: Yeah. One more signing I wanted to talk about. I know he's the captain, but Jordan 895 00:41:31,921 --> 00:41:43,790 [Roscoe]: Stahl signs four years, 2.9 in Carolina. He's 34. I get it, but is this really something 896 00:41:43,810 --> 00:41:49,114 [Roscoe]: that's gonna, I don't know, is this just something because he's the captain? Am 897 00:41:49,134 --> 00:41:54,117 [Roscoe]: I missing something here? The Stahls are not contributing that much anymore. 898 00:41:54,985 --> 00:41:58,374 [Biehner]: I was going to say, I think this it's kind of a little of column A, a little 899 00:41:58,414 --> 00:42:03,145 [Biehner]: of column B. Like I think there's a little bit of a legacy contract factor built 900 00:42:03,186 --> 00:42:03,486 [Biehner]: in there. 901 00:42:04,046 --> 00:42:05,593 [Roscoe]: I'm surprised he's only 34 to be honest. 902 00:42:06,447 --> 00:42:06,807 [Biehner]: Yeah, 903 00:42:06,721 --> 00:42:06,986 [Suthy]: same. 904 00:42:08,548 --> 00:42:14,650 [Biehner]: but of all three of the Stahl brothers, like, Jordan's really... Like, Mark had a decent 905 00:42:14,670 --> 00:42:19,773 [Biehner]: playoffs on defense, but Jordan's really the one of the three that you would 906 00:42:19,813 --> 00:42:23,334 [Biehner]: still want playing a full-time role in your lineup. 907 00:42:25,062 --> 00:42:29,871 [Roscoe]: Yeah, I don't know, 2.9 for what's probably what your, what does he play, third 908 00:42:29,891 --> 00:42:31,173 [Roscoe]: line center, second? 909 00:42:32,911 --> 00:42:35,178 [Biehner]: Ideally you would want him to be your third, I believe. 910 00:42:35,986 --> 00:42:37,486 [Suthy]: Yeah, I think he jumps between the two. 911 00:42:38,686 --> 00:42:43,509 [Roscoe]: Yeah, so I guess 2.9 for a veteran third line centre is not bad, it's just, I 912 00:42:43,529 --> 00:42:48,232 [Roscoe]: don't know, when he's 38, it's just, that's what I keep thinking about. Like long 913 00:42:48,272 --> 00:42:50,653 [Roscoe]: term for a 34 year old, like it's not that long, but fuck. 914 00:42:51,735 --> 00:42:54,484 [Biehner]: That's what I mean, I think there's a little bit of legacy built in there, right? 915 00:42:55,189 --> 00:42:55,438 [Roscoe]: has to 916 00:42:55,366 --> 00:42:55,507 [Biehner]: He's 917 00:42:55,458 --> 00:42:55,562 [Roscoe]: be. 918 00:42:55,527 --> 00:42:58,014 [Biehner]: your captain, he's been there for quite a while, right? 919 00:43:00,041 --> 00:43:00,102 [Suthy]: 100%. 920 00:43:02,358 --> 00:43:08,863 [Roscoe]: Well, what else? We got, I think there was a question, but it was just who's Easton 921 00:43:08,903 --> 00:43:15,608 [Roscoe]: Cowan. Yeah, Pragaria. Who's Easton Cowan? We 922 00:43:15,569 --> 00:43:15,690 [Suthy]: No 923 00:43:15,668 --> 00:43:15,928 [Roscoe]: answered 924 00:43:15,771 --> 00:43:16,115 [Suthy]: one quite 925 00:43:15,949 --> 00:43:16,149 [Roscoe]: that, 926 00:43:16,135 --> 00:43:16,377 [Suthy]: knows 927 00:43:16,309 --> 00:43:16,469 [Roscoe]: but 928 00:43:16,417 --> 00:43:16,599 [Suthy]: yet. 929 00:43:18,110 --> 00:43:25,476 [Roscoe]: we'll find out. It's a wait and see. So what else is on the horizon? Oh, NHL Awards, 930 00:43:25,676 --> 00:43:32,453 [Roscoe]: I guess we can touch on. we want to pull those up. I didn't watch, 931 00:43:32,052 --> 00:43:32,463 [Biehner]: Yay. 932 00:43:33,074 --> 00:43:33,674 [Roscoe]: I didn't really watch 933 00:43:33,653 --> 00:43:33,834 [Suthy]: Did 934 00:43:33,715 --> 00:43:34,035 [Roscoe]: it. I watched 935 00:43:33,874 --> 00:43:34,216 [Suthy]: anybody 936 00:43:34,095 --> 00:43:34,295 [Roscoe]: it for 937 00:43:34,237 --> 00:43:34,458 [Suthy]: watch 938 00:43:34,315 --> 00:43:34,495 [Roscoe]: like, 939 00:43:34,539 --> 00:43:34,639 [Suthy]: it? 940 00:43:35,777 --> 00:43:40,522 [Roscoe]: I turned it on for a couple of minutes. I saw like Dirk's Bentley and Darius record. 941 00:43:40,542 --> 00:43:42,044 [Roscoe]: I was like, I'm not watching this. 942 00:43:42,914 --> 00:43:43,364 [Suthy]: I'm good. 943 00:43:46,199 --> 00:43:50,426 [Biehner]: I've been kind of away the last little while. My wife has some relatives down from 944 00:43:50,466 --> 00:43:54,834 [Biehner]: England, so we were up at a cottage, so I kind of tuned everything out, so I didn't 945 00:43:54,874 --> 00:43:57,198 [Biehner]: watch anything, but I was getting updates on winners. 946 00:43:59,414 --> 00:44:03,656 [Roscoe]: So Connor McDavid winning the heart and the news was that one single person who 947 00:44:03,676 --> 00:44:08,399 [Roscoe]: we now know the name of, I don't need to blast them again, voted Connor fifth in 948 00:44:08,499 --> 00:44:14,702 [Roscoe]: heart voting, putting pasta first and I believe Jason Robertson second and just 949 00:44:14,742 --> 00:44:20,445 [Roscoe]: weirder from there. So like I get it, but like don't galaxy brain it that hard 950 00:44:20,485 --> 00:44:20,645 [Roscoe]: man. 951 00:44:22,235 --> 00:44:30,260 [Biehner]: No, like, McDavid was, like, absolutely the winner of that. Like, there was no way 952 00:44:30,300 --> 00:44:38,446 [Biehner]: around that. But at least it wasn't someone astronomically off the board. Like, 953 00:44:38,466 --> 00:44:43,989 [Biehner]: it's not like they went and said, I don't know, like, a reporter from The Leaf 954 00:44:44,009 --> 00:44:46,051 [Biehner]: saying Nylander deserves it, 955 00:44:46,651 --> 00:44:46,915 [Roscoe]: Yeah, 956 00:44:46,991 --> 00:44:47,912 [Biehner]: right? 957 00:44:47,219 --> 00:44:47,968 [Roscoe]: I know I get it. 958 00:44:47,932 --> 00:44:51,554 [Biehner]: Like, at least pasta is at least a somewhat respectable choice. 959 00:44:52,838 --> 00:44:55,621 [Roscoe]: Yeah, but then Connor's number two, 960 00:44:56,243 --> 00:44:56,606 [Biehner]: should be, 961 00:44:56,462 --> 00:44:57,103 [Roscoe]: not five. 962 00:44:56,727 --> 00:44:57,453 [Biehner]: not fierce. 963 00:44:57,123 --> 00:44:58,965 [Roscoe]: It's fucking 964 00:44:58,607 --> 00:44:58,793 [Suthy]: Yeah. 965 00:44:59,005 --> 00:44:59,526 [Roscoe]: crazy. 966 00:45:00,981 --> 00:45:01,625 [Suthy]: Five is a bit 967 00:45:01,529 --> 00:45:01,729 [Roscoe]: But 968 00:45:01,665 --> 00:45:01,967 [Suthy]: wild. 969 00:45:03,151 --> 00:45:10,100 [Roscoe]: guys, Bergeron winning his sixth Selkie trophy, like please, I thought this was gonna 970 00:45:10,140 --> 00:45:11,421 [Roscoe]: be martyrs finally. 971 00:45:12,221 --> 00:45:12,615 [Biehner]: legacy. 972 00:45:12,645 --> 00:45:17,092 [Suthy]: He kind of feels like a legacy award. Everyone knows he's gonna retire. 973 00:45:19,878 --> 00:45:24,661 [Roscoe]: Nah, fine, then we're gonna get next year. Ted Lindsey goes to McDavid. Eric Carlson 974 00:45:24,681 --> 00:45:29,485 [Roscoe]: winning the Norris. This has sparked the debate again, as it always does, about 975 00:45:29,545 --> 00:45:34,448 [Roscoe]: like, can we have an offensive defenseman award or like a defensive defenseman award? 976 00:45:34,488 --> 00:45:41,313 [Roscoe]: Cause this is, come on, you can't be on a team that just picked third overall 977 00:45:41,353 --> 00:45:46,116 [Roscoe]: or fourth, whatever it was, and also win the Norris trophy. Like the team is garbage. 978 00:45:46,937 --> 00:45:47,117 [Roscoe]: Like 979 00:45:47,105 --> 00:45:47,206 [Suthy]: It's 980 00:45:47,197 --> 00:45:47,277 [Roscoe]: you 981 00:45:47,226 --> 00:45:47,267 [Suthy]: a 982 00:45:47,297 --> 00:45:47,437 [Roscoe]: can 983 00:45:47,307 --> 00:45:47,530 [Suthy]: tough 984 00:45:47,477 --> 00:45:47,757 [Roscoe]: score 985 00:45:47,571 --> 00:45:47,814 [Suthy]: look. 986 00:45:47,797 --> 00:45:52,329 [Roscoe]: shit. ton of points because you're the best player on the team by like a mile. 987 00:45:53,049 --> 00:45:58,113 [Roscoe]: You also make like 11 and a half million dollars. So you had better. Like it's just, 988 00:45:58,293 --> 00:46:03,197 [Roscoe]: it seems silly. Am I wrong here? Change my mind. 989 00:46:05,351 --> 00:46:10,397 [Biehner]: I... I don't really have enough skin in the game with regards to Carlson to change 990 00:46:10,417 --> 00:46:14,181 [Biehner]: your mind because there is no way, shape, or form he is becoming a Leaf. 991 00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:16,074 [Suthy]: Ha ha. 992 00:46:16,438 --> 00:46:17,325 [Roscoe]: Not at that price tag. 993 00:46:18,315 --> 00:46:25,881 [Biehner]: No, but like I can see where you're getting at, but at the same time, even though 994 00:46:25,921 --> 00:46:31,245 [Biehner]: his team's garbage and he's playing all those minutes, he's still got to perform. 995 00:46:32,646 --> 00:46:36,930 [Biehner]: And it can sometimes be a lot harder to perform when you have nobody around you. 996 00:46:38,511 --> 00:46:42,254 [Biehner]: So the fact that you can come back and win another one at his age is impressive, 997 00:46:42,995 --> 00:46:50,122 [Biehner]: but I do completely agree. It's getting to a point where give it to a defenseman because 998 00:46:50,142 --> 00:46:51,470 [Biehner]: they get a ton of points. 999 00:46:52,110 --> 00:46:52,170 [Roscoe]: 101 1000 00:46:52,295 --> 00:46:52,809 [Suthy]: Yeah, that's true. 1001 00:46:53,013 --> 00:46:55,644 [Roscoe]: points, holy shit, I didn't even, I don't know, he cracked 100, 1002 00:46:55,761 --> 00:46:55,982 [Suthy]: It is 1003 00:46:55,925 --> 00:46:56,086 [Roscoe]: that's 1004 00:46:56,002 --> 00:46:56,726 [Suthy]: pretty impressive, 1005 00:46:56,206 --> 00:46:56,608 [Roscoe]: wild. 101. 1006 00:46:56,807 --> 00:46:58,436 [Suthy]: especially when it was a couple years ago. 1007 00:47:00,014 --> 00:47:03,044 [Roscoe]: but he was minus 26 and we're giving him defenseman of the year. 1008 00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:04,477 [Suthy]: Yeah, 1009 00:47:03,759 --> 00:47:03,879 [Biehner]: Yeah, 1010 00:47:03,927 --> 00:47:04,589 [Roscoe]: That's my point. 1011 00:47:04,578 --> 00:47:05,507 [Suthy]: that's the rub, right? 1012 00:47:05,406 --> 00:47:06,290 [Biehner]: that's exactly it. 1013 00:47:08,034 --> 00:47:14,098 [Roscoe]: Like he literally had his best season point-wise and his second worst season plus 1014 00:47:14,158 --> 00:47:18,421 [Roscoe]: minus-wise. Like that's a little silly. It's a little silly. 1015 00:47:18,114 --> 00:47:18,237 [Biehner]: Mm-hmm. 1016 00:47:21,438 --> 00:47:27,364 [Roscoe]: I mean, I know it's not a clear defensive metric, but like if you're a fantastic defenseman, 1017 00:47:27,384 --> 00:47:31,488 [Roscoe]: you're not gonna be on, like at 101 points, you were still on for more goals against. 1018 00:47:31,989 --> 00:47:33,491 [Roscoe]: Come on, come on, come on, 1019 00:47:33,567 --> 00:47:33,947 [Biehner]: Like at 1020 00:47:33,911 --> 00:47:34,031 [Roscoe]: come 1021 00:47:33,988 --> 00:47:34,148 [Biehner]: this 1022 00:47:34,091 --> 00:47:34,211 [Roscoe]: on, 1023 00:47:34,188 --> 00:47:34,529 [Biehner]: point you 1024 00:47:34,532 --> 00:47:34,652 [Roscoe]: come 1025 00:47:34,569 --> 00:47:34,810 [Biehner]: almost 1026 00:47:34,732 --> 00:47:34,832 [Roscoe]: on. 1027 00:47:34,830 --> 00:47:35,832 [Biehner]: just need to create 1028 00:47:35,933 --> 00:47:36,093 [Roscoe]: Come on. 1029 00:47:36,474 --> 00:47:39,361 [Biehner]: the Bobby Orr trophy and give it to the defenseman with 1030 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:39,549 [Suthy]: Hmm. 1031 00:47:39,381 --> 00:47:40,022 [Biehner]: the most points. 1032 00:47:40,494 --> 00:47:41,635 [Roscoe]: It's what I've heard, it's what I've heard. 1033 00:47:41,793 --> 00:47:42,510 [Suthy]: That's not a bad idea. 1034 00:47:43,914 --> 00:47:45,584 [Roscoe]: Matty Penears taking home the Calder. 1035 00:47:46,953 --> 00:47:47,588 [Suthy]: Well deserved. 1036 00:47:48,990 --> 00:47:49,239 [Biehner]: I think 1037 00:47:49,074 --> 00:47:49,594 [Roscoe]: I agree. 1038 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:49,405 [Biehner]: so. 1039 00:47:50,275 --> 00:47:55,221 [Roscoe]: Anjay Kopitar taking the Lady Bing. Linus Allmark taking the Vezna and Jennings 1040 00:47:55,261 --> 00:47:58,445 [Roscoe]: Trophy. And sharing it with Jeremy Swainman. 1041 00:47:59,753 --> 00:47:59,921 [Suthy]: Yeah. 1042 00:48:02,335 --> 00:48:05,903 [Biehner]: Well, the Jennings is just, it's awarded to the team with the lowest goals against, 1043 00:48:05,923 --> 00:48:08,670 [Biehner]: right? So that one was pretty much a no-brainer. 1044 00:48:09,753 --> 00:48:09,813 [Suthy]: 100% 1045 00:48:09,834 --> 00:48:09,994 [Roscoe]: Right. 1046 00:48:11,602 --> 00:48:12,547 [Suthy]: We got Jack Adams, too. 1047 00:48:15,523 --> 00:48:21,191 [Roscoe]: Yeah, Jack Adams, Jim Montgomery, obviously. Messier Leadership Award to 1048 00:48:21,217 --> 00:48:21,559 [Suthy]: Steven's 1049 00:48:21,231 --> 00:48:21,612 [Roscoe]: Stephen 1050 00:48:21,579 --> 00:48:21,619 [Suthy]: d- 1051 00:48:21,732 --> 00:48:22,333 [Roscoe]: Stamkowski. 1052 00:48:23,411 --> 00:48:24,539 [Suthy]: That's a questionable one. 1053 00:48:25,286 --> 00:48:30,989 [Roscoe]: and all of it. But McDavid taking home the Art Ross as well as obviously the 1054 00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:35,372 [Roscoe]: Richard. So he had a good night. Four 1055 00:48:35,317 --> 00:48:36,025 [Suthy]: headlinz2. 1056 00:48:35,412 --> 00:48:36,993 [Roscoe]: trophies. Yeah. 1057 00:48:40,189 --> 00:48:40,673 [Suthy]: Not bad 1058 00:48:40,574 --> 00:48:41,675 [Roscoe]: Yeah, 1059 00:48:40,713 --> 00:48:40,995 [Suthy]: at all. 1060 00:48:41,696 --> 00:48:47,165 [Roscoe]: there's gotta be a more interesting way. Like, let's roundtable this because it's 1061 00:48:47,225 --> 00:48:50,811 [Roscoe]: so boring. Like, who could host this that would be exciting? Like, what's a way 1062 00:48:50,831 --> 00:48:53,495 [Roscoe]: that you could present awards? Because I mean, it's not even just the IHL awards. 1063 00:48:53,515 --> 00:48:54,817 [Roscoe]: All award shows are fucking boring. 1064 00:48:57,601 --> 00:48:58,166 [Suthy]: I don't think you can. 1065 00:49:02,206 --> 00:49:04,591 [Biehner]: I think they've just made too much of a spectacle out of all of this. 1066 00:49:05,649 --> 00:49:09,892 [Suthy]: Yeah, I used to love when the NBA in the first round, that's when they would give 1067 00:49:09,912 --> 00:49:13,954 [Suthy]: the MVP out. It would be in front of the home crowd and it would be a big deal. 1068 00:49:14,595 --> 00:49:16,796 [Suthy]: And I feel you get more bang for your buck if you're doing that. 1069 00:49:19,106 --> 00:49:23,887 [Roscoe]: Yeah, it's, it's tough because, again, it's just awarding individuals. So it's kind 1070 00:49:23,927 --> 00:49:29,668 [Roscoe]: of, so many people don't have anything invested in it, you know, it's the same with 1071 00:49:29,708 --> 00:49:34,570 [Roscoe]: like movie awards and stuff and music awards. And we've just seen gear after year 1072 00:49:34,610 --> 00:49:40,631 [Roscoe]: so many of them. And I think it's just become overdone. Like I agree. It, you 1073 00:49:40,651 --> 00:49:45,393 [Roscoe]: almost have to find a way to have like an all NHL like summer event where there's 1074 00:49:45,433 --> 00:49:51,376 [Roscoe]: like some game going on and like during the game there's like little breaks where there's 1075 00:49:51,396 --> 00:49:52,017 [Roscoe]: like, oh, and here's 1076 00:49:51,985 --> 00:49:52,507 [Suthy]: Inadventia. 1077 00:49:52,037 --> 00:49:52,598 [Roscoe]: this award. 1078 00:49:52,527 --> 00:49:54,315 [Suthy]: I mean. 1079 00:49:53,619 --> 00:49:57,684 [Roscoe]: Like there should be some, some thing like, I don't know, because 1080 00:49:57,693 --> 00:49:57,833 [Suthy]: It's 1081 00:49:57,724 --> 00:49:57,844 [Roscoe]: it's 1082 00:49:57,853 --> 00:49:58,033 [Suthy]: hard 1083 00:49:57,904 --> 00:49:58,084 [Roscoe]: so 1084 00:49:58,073 --> 00:49:58,234 [Suthy]: to 1085 00:49:58,124 --> 00:49:58,425 [Roscoe]: boring 1086 00:49:58,274 --> 00:49:58,534 [Suthy]: when it's 1087 00:49:58,465 --> 00:49:58,525 [Roscoe]: to 1088 00:49:58,554 --> 00:49:58,574 [Suthy]: a 1089 00:49:58,565 --> 00:49:58,765 [Roscoe]: just 1090 00:49:58,635 --> 00:49:58,995 [Suthy]: runaway 1091 00:49:58,805 --> 00:49:59,085 [Roscoe]: do that. 1092 00:49:59,015 --> 00:50:03,665 [Suthy]: because who obviously everyone knew McDavid was going to win this. Everyone knew 1093 00:50:03,986 --> 00:50:08,375 [Suthy]: my grandma was going to win Jack Adams. So there was no mystery to it whatsoever. Everyone 1094 00:50:08,395 --> 00:50:09,096 [Suthy]: knew what was going to happen. 1095 00:50:10,090 --> 00:50:15,032 [Roscoe]: Yeah, there could almost be a way that they track which ones are, you know, everyone 1096 00:50:15,072 --> 00:50:17,473 [Roscoe]: knows who's going to win it and they kind of get those ones out of the way before 1097 00:50:17,493 --> 00:50:21,155 [Roscoe]: the game, this hypothetical game that I'm talking about starts. And then there's 1098 00:50:21,375 --> 00:50:24,696 [Roscoe]: like create a storyline around the other ones that people are, you know, less 1099 00:50:24,716 --> 00:50:28,398 [Roscoe]: sure about the ones that are more up in the air and get people's thoughts on 1100 00:50:28,418 --> 00:50:31,179 [Roscoe]: them. Talk to people like throughout intermission. Then at the end of the game, 1101 00:50:31,219 --> 00:50:34,301 [Roscoe]: so like, OK, we're going to announce who won, you know, the fucking heart trophy 1102 00:50:35,321 --> 00:50:35,781 [Roscoe]: or the Vezna. 1103 00:50:36,747 --> 00:50:42,893 [Biehner]: And that's the other thing, and like, good point, Sali, that this really, it's been 1104 00:50:42,933 --> 00:50:46,757 [Biehner]: quite a while since we've had a year like this where so many trophies have been 1105 00:50:47,238 --> 00:50:54,205 [Biehner]: pretty much slam donks. Like, really, you had Norris and the Calder. Pretty much 1106 00:50:54,225 --> 00:50:55,306 [Biehner]: everything else was spoken for. 1107 00:50:56,586 --> 00:51:00,148 [Roscoe]: Well, I mean, you had teams either going for the cup or racing for the bottom. 1108 00:51:00,228 --> 00:51:04,530 [Roscoe]: So it was kind of a year of haves and have nots. It was a good chance for a lot 1109 00:51:04,550 --> 00:51:10,454 [Roscoe]: of players to take advantage of teams trying to tank. So 1110 00:51:08,947 --> 00:51:09,603 [Suthy]: Yeah, you're not wrong. 1111 00:51:10,474 --> 00:51:15,857 [Roscoe]: you've got, you know, half the league, that's 16 teams, say two or three players per 1112 00:51:15,898 --> 00:51:21,261 [Roscoe]: team that are having kind of an inflated point year. Like that's, you know, a couple 1113 00:51:21,281 --> 00:51:22,241 [Roscoe]: of people are gonna run away with it. 1114 00:51:25,362 --> 00:51:31,350 [Roscoe]: Um, so what, uh, what's something outside of the signings we can close on this? 1115 00:51:31,370 --> 00:51:36,357 [Roscoe]: What would you like to see Brad do for our next episode here? Outside of Matthew's 1116 00:51:36,377 --> 00:51:36,877 [Roscoe]: and Newlander. 1117 00:51:37,811 --> 00:51:38,777 [Biehner]: Resign Shen. 1118 00:51:39,915 --> 00:51:40,651 [Roscoe]: Oh, that would be nice. 1119 00:51:40,905 --> 00:51:42,888 [Suthy]: Yeah, that's, that would be nice. 1120 00:51:42,839 --> 00:51:42,960 [Biehner]: I'm 1121 00:51:42,908 --> 00:51:43,369 [Suthy]: Uh, 1122 00:51:43,001 --> 00:51:43,606 [Biehner]: still saying. 1123 00:51:43,429 --> 00:51:44,952 [Suthy]: maybe something on a goaltender. 1124 00:51:46,082 --> 00:51:50,952 [Roscoe]: Something on a gold tender would be lovely. We've been hearing so many weird like, 1125 00:51:50,972 --> 00:51:54,881 [Roscoe]: oh, they're gonna buy out TJ Brody. Why the hell would we buy out TJ Brody? I don't 1126 00:51:54,809 --> 00:51:55,130 [Suthy]: Yeah, 1127 00:51:54,941 --> 00:51:55,322 [Roscoe]: get that. 1128 00:51:55,170 --> 00:51:55,311 [Suthy]: so 1129 00:51:55,342 --> 00:51:56,765 [Roscoe]: It's 1130 00:51:55,351 --> 00:51:56,896 [Suthy]: stupid. Um, 1131 00:51:56,805 --> 00:51:57,025 [Roscoe]: dumb. 1132 00:51:56,976 --> 00:51:58,020 [Suthy]: we need an assistant coach. 1133 00:51:59,626 --> 00:52:04,039 [Roscoe]: That's a good one. I don't know, I'd 1134 00:52:03,979 --> 00:52:04,391 [Biehner]: potentially. 1135 00:52:04,060 --> 00:52:07,129 [Roscoe]: like to see a trade just for the funsies. 1136 00:52:08,691 --> 00:52:15,610 [Biehner]: Um, Potential, I don't know how much truth there is to it, but talk that potentially 1137 00:52:15,650 --> 00:52:17,214 [Biehner]: Boudreaux would come in as an assistant. 1138 00:52:18,743 --> 00:52:19,137 [Roscoe]: That'd be cool. 1139 00:52:22,128 --> 00:52:22,935 [Suthy]: And it'd be interesting. 1140 00:52:27,768 --> 00:52:31,356 [Roscoe]: Otherwise, I don't think I have anything to do with history. History note you want to 1141 00:52:31,376 --> 00:52:33,601 [Roscoe]: talk about? Little hockey history? 1142 00:52:34,405 --> 00:52:38,130 [Biehner]: We literally just got back from the cottage today, so I do not have anything today. 1143 00:52:38,998 --> 00:52:44,488 [Roscoe]: Well, what about any draft stories? I mean, there's the Lindraus one, but I think 1144 00:52:44,568 --> 00:52:45,409 [Roscoe]: most people know that. 1145 00:52:46,603 --> 00:52:51,992 [Biehner]: How funny would that be if Badar... he's not going to, clearly. But you have all 1146 00:52:52,033 --> 00:52:52,213 [Biehner]: these 1147 00:52:52,234 --> 00:52:52,562 [Suthy]: love. 1148 00:52:52,253 --> 00:52:55,699 [Biehner]: players with Badar... or all these people with Badar jerseys already. All of a 1149 00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:56,220 [Biehner]: sudden it comes 1150 00:52:56,129 --> 00:52:56,516 [Suthy]: Imagine 1151 00:52:56,300 --> 00:52:56,521 [Biehner]: out that 1152 00:52:56,536 --> 00:52:56,781 [Suthy]: that. 1153 00:52:56,541 --> 00:52:57,302 [Biehner]: he's not going to sign. 1154 00:52:59,245 --> 00:52:59,518 [Roscoe]: Like. 1155 00:52:59,611 --> 00:53:01,150 [Biehner]: It's not, it's not gonna happen, but... 1156 00:53:01,810 --> 00:53:07,475 [Roscoe]: Yeah. Was that like known before the draft that like the Nordic had the first pick, 1157 00:53:07,515 --> 00:53:09,917 [Roscoe]: Lindrass was number one, he's like, I'm not going if you pick me. 1158 00:53:10,985 --> 00:53:11,890 [Suthy]: Yeah, his parents 1159 00:53:11,569 --> 00:53:11,713 [Biehner]: Aye. 1160 00:53:11,950 --> 00:53:15,788 [Suthy]: let them know that he was not going to play for the Nordiques. It was well known. 1161 00:53:18,231 --> 00:53:19,575 [Roscoe]: I love it, it's so funny. 1162 00:53:20,944 --> 00:53:21,086 [Biehner]: one 1163 00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:21,140 [Roscoe]: Oh, 1164 00:53:21,127 --> 00:53:21,330 [Biehner]: and 1165 00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:21,441 [Roscoe]: and they're 1166 00:53:21,350 --> 00:53:21,472 [Biehner]: the 1167 00:53:21,481 --> 00:53:22,725 [Roscoe]: still winning from that trade. 1168 00:53:23,602 --> 00:53:23,784 [Suthy]: I mean, 1169 00:53:23,763 --> 00:53:23,864 [Biehner]: And 1170 00:53:23,824 --> 00:53:24,007 [Suthy]: fuck 1171 00:53:23,884 --> 00:53:24,147 [Biehner]: before 1172 00:53:24,027 --> 00:53:24,128 [Suthy]: it, 1173 00:53:24,167 --> 00:53:24,329 [Biehner]: that 1174 00:53:24,169 --> 00:53:24,391 [Suthy]: like you're 1175 00:53:24,349 --> 00:53:24,451 [Biehner]: you 1176 00:53:24,412 --> 00:53:24,594 [Suthy]: gonna 1177 00:53:24,471 --> 00:53:24,673 [Biehner]: had... 1178 00:53:24,614 --> 00:53:25,303 [Suthy]: grab his rights. 1179 00:53:27,015 --> 00:53:31,698 [Biehner]: Yeah, before that you had Lemieux as well when he was drafted by Pittsburgh. 1180 00:53:31,858 --> 00:53:32,959 [Biehner]: He was not happy. 1181 00:53:34,209 --> 00:53:34,439 [Suthy]: True. 1182 00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,082 [Biehner]: Although clearly he ended up signing with them in the rest of this history. 1183 00:53:39,189 --> 00:53:39,310 [Suthy]: kind 1184 00:53:39,246 --> 00:53:39,366 [Roscoe]: So 1185 00:53:39,350 --> 00:53:39,612 [Suthy]: of worked 1186 00:53:39,426 --> 00:53:39,646 [Roscoe]: what did 1187 00:53:39,652 --> 00:53:39,773 [Suthy]: out 1188 00:53:39,686 --> 00:53:39,806 [Roscoe]: they, 1189 00:53:39,814 --> 00:53:40,055 [Suthy]: for him. 1190 00:53:41,347 --> 00:53:47,671 [Roscoe]: so the whole trade, two Philadelphia Flyers, Eric Lindros, two the Quebec Nordique, 1191 00:53:47,911 --> 00:53:53,274 [Roscoe]: Steve Duchesne, Peter Forsberg, Ron Hextal, Kerry Huffman, Mike Ricci, Chris Simon, 1192 00:53:53,314 --> 00:53:58,177 [Roscoe]: Philly's first round pick in 93, their first round pick in 94, and $15 million cash. 1193 00:54:01,415 --> 00:54:01,557 [Suthy]: What 1194 00:54:01,502 --> 00:54:01,683 [Roscoe]: That's 1195 00:54:01,577 --> 00:54:01,839 [Suthy]: a haul. 1196 00:54:01,703 --> 00:54:04,633 [Roscoe]: my favorite part. Here's just a fucking bag of money. 1197 00:54:07,790 --> 00:54:12,796 [Roscoe]: So, what is this? This is a part I was not aware of. There was a trade with the 1198 00:54:13,537 --> 00:54:16,421 [Roscoe]: Rangers that got voided. 1199 00:54:17,891 --> 00:54:22,908 [Biehner]: Yeah, depending on who you ask, the rangers say that they had a trade agreed to 1200 00:54:22,928 --> 00:54:24,874 [Biehner]: ahead of time, before that trade. 1201 00:54:26,314 --> 00:54:35,518 [Roscoe]: which was Tony Amonti, Alexey Kovalev, Sergey Nemchikov, James Patrick, either Mike 1202 00:54:35,558 --> 00:54:39,420 [Roscoe]: Richter or John van Beesbroek, undisclosed 1203 00:54:39,497 --> 00:54:39,623 [Suthy]: Oof. 1204 00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:44,763 [Roscoe]: multiple first round draft picks and $20 million. That's fucking 1205 00:54:44,225 --> 00:54:45,015 [Suthy]: That's so 1206 00:54:44,803 --> 00:54:45,263 [Roscoe]: crazy. 1207 00:54:45,055 --> 00:54:45,562 [Suthy]: crazy. 1208 00:54:46,944 --> 00:54:49,965 [Roscoe]: I didn't know that part of it. Man. 1209 00:54:51,026 --> 00:54:55,278 [Biehner]: This is how incredible of a player coming out of junior Lindros was. 1210 00:54:55,257 --> 00:54:59,931 [Suthy]: Yeah, the hype was fucking real about this guy. Same level as B'Dard, that type of 1211 00:54:59,951 --> 00:55:00,132 [Suthy]: thing. 1212 00:55:02,044 --> 00:55:02,816 [Biehner]: If not even more. 1213 00:55:03,509 --> 00:55:07,204 [Suthy]: Yeah, just because of his size and everything too, and like the way the Anichelle 1214 00:55:07,244 --> 00:55:08,268 [Suthy]: is being played at that time. 1215 00:55:11,426 --> 00:55:15,691 [Roscoe]: So they have a bit of the trade tree here. It only goes to like 2001 though, but 1216 00:55:15,931 --> 00:55:23,040 [Roscoe]: it says at the end of 2000, 2001 season, the Philadelphia Flyers had zero Stanley Cups 1217 00:55:23,060 --> 00:55:30,191 [Roscoe]: while the Avalanche had two. And Lindros sat out the 2000-2001 season. Wait, why did 1218 00:55:30,231 --> 00:55:31,073 [Roscoe]: he sit out that season? 1219 00:55:32,193 --> 00:55:33,087 [Suthy]: You can cast, I'm sure. 1220 00:55:35,187 --> 00:55:35,350 [Biehner]: Yeah, 1221 00:55:35,302 --> 00:55:35,562 [Roscoe]: After, 1222 00:55:35,391 --> 00:55:35,717 [Biehner]: I believe 1223 00:55:35,662 --> 00:55:35,942 [Roscoe]: nope, 1224 00:55:35,758 --> 00:55:36,023 [Biehner]: it was. 1225 00:55:37,343 --> 00:55:42,846 [Roscoe]: nope. Bobby Clark, who succeeded farewell as GM of the Flyers, feuded with Lindros and 1226 00:55:42,866 --> 00:55:47,388 [Roscoe]: his parents during his time with the Flyers. Lindros sat out the entire 2000, 2001 1227 00:55:47,989 --> 00:55:52,471 [Roscoe]: NHL season after rejecting a one year, $8.5 million offer as he demanded a trade from 1228 00:55:52,511 --> 00:55:56,874 [Roscoe]: the Flyers. The Flyers traded him to the Rangers in 2001. After he retired from 1229 00:55:56,894 --> 00:55:59,455 [Roscoe]: the NHL, the Flyers inducted him into Hall of Fame in 2014. 1230 00:55:59,425 --> 00:55:59,487 [Suthy]: UGH 1231 00:56:02,537 --> 00:56:06,396 [Roscoe]: That's the best part. He said, fuck your money, get me out of Philadelphia. They 1232 00:56:06,436 --> 00:56:07,037 [Roscoe]: put him with all of. 1233 00:56:10,493 --> 00:56:10,874 [Suthy]: Yeah, maybe 1234 00:56:10,695 --> 00:56:10,877 [Biehner]: Yeah, 1235 00:56:10,781 --> 00:56:11,141 [Roscoe]: Oh, 1236 00:56:10,914 --> 00:56:11,215 [Suthy]: Father 1237 00:56:11,179 --> 00:56:11,401 [Biehner]: there's 1238 00:56:11,255 --> 00:56:11,756 [Suthy]: Lindjos 1239 00:56:11,321 --> 00:56:11,641 [Roscoe]: man. 1240 00:56:11,421 --> 00:56:11,764 [Biehner]: been a lot 1241 00:56:11,796 --> 00:56:12,097 [Suthy]: wasn't 1242 00:56:11,825 --> 00:56:11,865 [Biehner]: of. 1243 00:56:12,157 --> 00:56:13,380 [Suthy]: the best agent. 1244 00:56:16,106 --> 00:56:18,821 [Roscoe]: So what, were his parents his agents? 1245 00:56:19,090 --> 00:56:20,447 [Suthy]: I do believe his dad was, yeah. 1246 00:56:23,071 --> 00:56:26,683 [Biehner]: And there's been a lot of reparations going on trying to fix that relationship because 1247 00:56:26,723 --> 00:56:28,930 [Biehner]: of what he meant to the city and to the fanbase. 1248 00:56:29,982 --> 00:56:34,426 [Roscoe]: I don't understand how you can get to that point between an organization and a 1249 00:56:34,446 --> 00:56:37,969 [Roscoe]: player. How do you piss them off that much that you're like, get me out of here? 1250 00:56:41,227 --> 00:56:44,994 [Biehner]: There's tons of players that demand to be traded. Just call up PLD. 1251 00:56:48,702 --> 00:56:49,444 [Suthy]: She'll tell you how it is. 1252 00:56:50,318 --> 00:56:50,502 [Roscoe]: Yeah. 1253 00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:53,418 [Biehner]: Yeah, he's got experience, right? Two teams now. 1254 00:56:56,974 --> 00:57:00,578 [Roscoe]: So the first round pick that Philly got was traded to the Toronto Maple Leafs as 1255 00:57:00,618 --> 00:57:03,161 [Roscoe]: part of a deal to acquire Wendell Clark. That's funny. 1256 00:57:08,514 --> 00:57:08,781 [Roscoe]: Wow. 1257 00:57:09,813 --> 00:57:10,542 [Suthy]: That I didn't know. 1258 00:57:11,258 --> 00:57:16,447 [Roscoe]: I did not, this trade just has like tentacles in everywhere. I wanna see, 1259 00:57:16,166 --> 00:57:17,138 [Suthy]: Oh yeah, it goes on forever. 1260 00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:21,216 [Roscoe]: I know Dangle's probably got a trade tree on it, but I'm pretty sure it still affects 1261 00:57:21,316 --> 00:57:24,061 [Roscoe]: like the cup that Colorado just won last year. 1262 00:57:24,636 --> 00:57:24,759 [Suthy]: Ehh 1263 00:57:27,114 --> 00:57:28,675 [Roscoe]: It's like the never ending one. All right, 1264 00:57:28,862 --> 00:57:29,172 [Suthy]: Wild. 1265 00:57:29,315 --> 00:57:33,479 [Roscoe]: well, as things happen, we'll come back as we've said, thanks for tuning in. Check 1266 00:57:33,499 --> 00:57:38,863 [Roscoe]: out our new merch over on the Inside the Rank Leaf Store. It's in the description 1267 00:57:39,003 --> 00:57:44,548 [Roscoe]: and it's in our link tree tang. There's some shirts and sweaters and some stickers 1268 00:57:44,568 --> 00:57:48,531 [Roscoe]: and some mugs. Get lots of cool things with our logo on it. And then we're gonna have 1269 00:57:48,551 --> 00:57:52,955 [Roscoe]: some new ones coming out. I'm just vanishing up the designs for the new shirts. 1270 00:57:53,355 --> 00:57:58,154 [Roscoe]: We're gonna have some cool new line coming out. really get into the merch stuff, 1271 00:57:58,194 --> 00:57:59,545 [Roscoe]: so stay tuned for that. 1272 00:58:03,489 --> 00:58:05,677 [Roscoe]: We got some Beaner merch coming, just hinting. 1273 00:58:08,653 --> 00:58:10,404 [Suthy]: Keep your eyes open for that. 1274 00:58:11,940 --> 00:58:12,041 [Biehner]: Oh 1275 00:58:11,966 --> 00:58:12,086 [Roscoe]: My 1276 00:58:12,061 --> 00:58:12,485 [Biehner]: jeez. 1277 00:58:12,126 --> 00:58:18,768 [Roscoe]: goal is to have everybody having a certain, at least a shirt, you know? Like some 1278 00:58:18,828 --> 00:58:22,049 [Roscoe]: logo that's, you know, we'll get some of these Betten thing going, it's going to 1279 00:58:22,069 --> 00:58:24,210 [Roscoe]: have its own thing. It's going to be Merch, baby. 1280 00:58:25,045 --> 00:58:25,707 [Suthy]: That's the idea, 1281 00:58:25,590 --> 00:58:25,871 [Roscoe]: Merch, 1282 00:58:25,747 --> 00:58:25,968 [Suthy]: right? 1283 00:58:25,971 --> 00:58:33,553 [Roscoe]: baby. Yeah, man. All right, thanks for tuning in. We'll be back soon. I don't 1284 00:58:33,573 --> 00:58:34,193 [Roscoe]: want to promise 1285 00:58:34,101 --> 00:58:34,222 [Suthy]: For 1286 00:58:34,233 --> 00:58:34,273 [Roscoe]: it. 1287 00:58:34,283 --> 00:58:35,395 [Suthy]: agencies pretty soon, so... 1288 00:58:36,466 --> 00:58:38,127 [Roscoe]: Yeah. 1289 00:58:36,653 --> 00:58:37,545 [Biehner]: agency on Saturday. 1290 00:58:38,167 --> 00:58:42,990 [Roscoe]: Saturday, yes, we should hit back on the... Oh, but this weekend's Canada Day. 1291 00:58:44,771 --> 00:58:44,891 [Roscoe]: I'm 1292 00:58:44,801 --> 00:58:45,084 [Suthy]: I'll probably 1293 00:58:44,931 --> 00:58:45,231 [Roscoe]: going... 1294 00:58:45,104 --> 00:58:46,298 [Suthy]: see you Monday or Tuesday. 1295 00:58:46,933 --> 00:58:51,856 [Roscoe]: Yeah, so Saturday I'm going back to my hometown to play a little concert. It's 1296 00:58:51,876 --> 00:58:53,317 [Roscoe]: gonna be fun. Getting back 1297 00:58:53,193 --> 00:58:53,534 [Suthy]: Nice. 1298 00:58:53,357 --> 00:58:54,418 [Roscoe]: on the drums after a long time. 1299 00:58:55,403 --> 00:58:55,563 [Suthy]: Love 1300 00:58:55,438 --> 00:58:55,598 [Roscoe]: I'm 1301 00:58:55,603 --> 00:58:55,684 [Suthy]: it. 1302 00:58:55,919 --> 00:58:58,841 [Roscoe]: doing this as I stall trying to find the outro because I don't know where it is 1303 00:58:58,861 --> 00:58:59,921 [Roscoe]: in my soundboard anymore. 1304 00:59:00,658 --> 00:59:02,608 [Suthy]: I actually have a wedding on Canada Day. 1305 00:59:03,618 --> 00:59:05,296 [Roscoe]: Who gets married on Canada Day? 1306 00:59:07,432 --> 00:59:07,947 [Suthy]: Exactly. 1307 00:59:08,267 --> 00:59:09,350 [Biehner]: Apparently they're patriotic. 1308 00:59:10,646 --> 00:59:10,766 [Roscoe]: But 1309 00:59:10,762 --> 00:59:11,074 [Suthy]: there 1310 00:59:10,806 --> 00:59:16,478 [Roscoe]: like, okay, that's asking a lot of people. But I mean, I guess the hope is that 1311 00:59:16,498 --> 00:59:20,025 [Roscoe]: everybody's free anyway. But like. 1312 00:59:19,856 --> 00:59:21,667 [Suthy]: Yeah, what are you really doing Canada Day? 1313 00:59:23,059 --> 00:59:23,341 [Biehner]: No one's 1314 00:59:23,269 --> 00:59:23,393 [Roscoe]: Oh. 1315 00:59:23,361 --> 00:59:24,330 [Biehner]: gonna forget your wedding. 1316 00:59:25,938 --> 00:59:27,539 [Roscoe]: No, but then I feel like 1317 00:59:27,475 --> 00:59:27,577 [Suthy]: In 1318 00:59:27,559 --> 00:59:27,779 [Roscoe]: that's, 1319 00:59:27,618 --> 00:59:28,151 [Suthy]: Kingston. 1320 00:59:29,180 --> 00:59:34,544 [Roscoe]: that's cheaping out on your anniversary. Cause like not cheaping out, I think it's making 1321 00:59:34,564 --> 00:59:37,307 [Roscoe]: your anniversary complicated because you're going to have to try and do it on Canada. 1322 00:59:37,367 --> 00:59:40,009 [Roscoe]: When there's like other shit going on and everyone's packed, you're going to try 1323 00:59:40,029 --> 00:59:43,832 [Roscoe]: and go out for dinner when like everything's closed and like, it's just, 1324 00:59:44,705 --> 00:59:45,149 [Suthy]: That's true 1325 00:59:45,093 --> 00:59:45,213 [Roscoe]: it's 1326 00:59:45,169 --> 00:59:45,290 [Suthy]: too. 1327 00:59:45,233 --> 00:59:50,117 [Roscoe]: a man. Can I think, can I think people don't think 1328 00:59:49,917 --> 00:59:50,242 [Suthy]: Gotta think. 1329 00:59:50,677 --> 00:59:51,978 [Roscoe]: you people don't think.