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You're listening to the Bible Guys,
a podcast where a couple of friends talk

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about the Bible in fun, in
practical ways. Hey, everybody, welcome

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to the Bible guys. My name
is Chris. This is Jeff, and

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we are here here. We made
it. That's it. We don't have

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anything else other than we are here. That is true. Well, today,

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Jeff, we're going to start out
by Desiree actually pulled a few comments

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from our social media. Oh these
are great. See this. So getting

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to hear out hear our listeners.
What is it? Getting to hear from

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our listeners warms our hearts so much? So let's give a couple of them

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a shout out there a way to
read that heartfelt statement. You're literally our

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heart felt. My name is Chris. You're literally like this, Chris,

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You're like, my name is Chris
zar Ba. And I want to say,

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do you remember Wayne's World? He
goes off and he goes I never

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learned how to read. That was
me in that moment right there. Okay,

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So after that heartfelt yes, thank
you to these fine folks I couldn't

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get out. Let's read a couple
of these. Go ahead, uh renee

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b Hi Renee, Renee, we
are so glad that you wrote in you

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say I love your show. Oh
thanks. My only complaint, what my

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only complaint is that I'm sure people
think I'm a little loopy based on the

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big grin on my face as I
listen keep up the great work. That's

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really nice, Oh, Renee,
We're sure they don't think that you're loopy

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just because of the big grin on
your face. And what is loopy?

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Goofy goofy? Okay, right,
like like a little out of her mind?

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Yeah, well lupy. I I
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think like lopy is more like a
like you're sort of in a trance almost

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like you, you know, take
medicine. It makes you loopy loopy?

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Okay, anyways, okay, Well
this next one is from Lucia C.

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Thank you for reading it. She
says, I appreciate the down to earth

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discussions and wanted you both to know
that I look forward to listening to you

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every morning. Also, I just
need Chris to know that I now sing

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good morning to my coworkers every day
at the office. Not sure how it

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happened, but thanks a lot,
Chris. That is so funny. That's

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so funny. Thanks, Lucia.
Oh that's great, that's really fun.

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So be careful, Lucia. Why
don't you stop at that point? Yes,

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and don't adopt anything else, Chris
says, or does so Lucia's workplace.

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I think she's a little lot.
Yeah yeah, yeah, now they

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think she's crazy. Okay, and
it comes from singing in the rain,

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by the way. There you go. And then Lynn says, wanted to

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reach out because I'm new to listening
to your podcast. Hey, well welcome

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Lynn. Yeah, that's awesome,
so glad. I really love how you

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guys talk about the Bible. This
podcast is literal gold literal. You love

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the use of literal in that way. I have a thing about literal.

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I have a thing about it.
It's not literally old. Well, hey,

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be careful, Lynn is new nice. Oh I wasn't busting on Linn.

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I was just busting on the word
literally. Well, I think it

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is a little literal gold, Lynn, So I think you're y it says

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Uh. I've been sharing your podcast
with all my friends and family. Jeff

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and Chris works so well together.
Their personalities compliment compliment each other so well.

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Actually, I'm not sure that it's
true, Lynn, I'm mostly carrying

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Chris most of the time. That's
true. That's not true. You're not

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You're supposed to argue with me just
a little bit on that one. Okay.

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I absolutely love you guys. This
podcast always makes my day. Oh

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well, that's nice. This is
amazing, just amazing. I think we

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both carried each other and took turns
with we fall apart with our knees and

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in our backs. That's exactly right. So that's wonderful. Thank you,

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Lynn. And by the way,
I'm not even kidding when I say this,

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I'm absolutely one nd percent serious.
Uh, you know, we're both

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busy guys. In fact, people
don't even know this, but you literally

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just this is a this is actually
where you can use literally. You literally

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just landed last night after traveling,
after flying how many hours, well,

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twenty four thousand, six hundred miles
and then and that doesn't count the numbers

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number of as you drove. Oh, you're right right, that's right,

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right, which means you probably drove
and flew the distance where somebody would circle

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the glowy around the world. Yeah, oh, definitely, definitely. We

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drove about five or six hundred miles
into Tanzania on a part of that trip.

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So yeah, yeah, it was
definitely twenty five thousand miles or more.

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Yeah, And that's how much distance
around the world, right, right,

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right, So that is just crazy. And so all that to say,

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you're super busy. I'm super busy. I got home last night and

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went straight to a birthday party my
grandson's five year old. And you're here

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today in the morning. Yeah,
and so so you want to talk about

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Loopy, let's go. Let's go
back to that one. I'm feeling it

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today. This might be the good
time for you to talk about hig Gui

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Loopy. Oh yeah, yeah,
yeah, yesterday, if you were listening

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on the podcast, I said,
I mentioned Haguy, yes, and I

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meant to say Hosea as soon as
we were done on the podcast. Yes,

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you went, was it ha Guy? Right? I was like,

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no, it was Hoseiah and I
didn't realize I said, ha guy,

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And so I knew all along it
was right. You were thinking Jose right,

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but I said jose and Gomer.
And the funny thing is, the

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weird part is is that I had
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fund where I just we're sorry for
that, like we couldn't come up with

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Joseiah, and I knew. I
knew Gomer. I was like Goomer and

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Goomer, Gomer, Gomer and you
were talking about Gomer pop. So anyway,

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the bottom line is is, uh, I gosh, this is a

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thought that went into a thought.
My original thought was, even though that

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we're really busy, we come into
record, I think I'm going to do

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this recording, which we do five
days in a row. It takes like

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four hours. But the only thing
that keeps me going is because people say

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things like this. They say,
man, I really appreciate it. It

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really helps me. Uh, you
know, I I enjoy it and I'm

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learning and uh and I think to
myself, well, gee, then we

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better keep on making time for this. Right. We were talking to a

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mutual friend a while back, right, and we were just saying, we

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can't believe people keep listening. It's
and I don't mean that in a negative

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way. It's just I can't believe
people keep listening and they say so many

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nice things, and yeah, it's
inspiring. It makes us want to keep

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going. Yeah, and we're coming
up on what almost by the end of

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the week. I think the last
episode of this week is four fifty four

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and fifty episodes. Yeah, four
and fifty those episodes together. How many

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HG daily episodes do we have?
There were like one hundred and seventy of

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those, so we're over six hundred
episodes together. Yeah, well, doing

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podcast stuff, so it's a lot
of fun. Hey, when you do

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six hundred to anything together, it's
yeah, you better like each other,

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right, right, right, for
sure? For sure? All right.

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Well listen, hey, we're going
to dive into Job chapter twenty eight.

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And this whole entire thing. Job
is just working it out, isn't he

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is? He's working it out.
He has thoughts left and right. He

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is trying to figure out what is
happening to him. And by the way,

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we didn't talk about this yesterday,
but picture of this in a pile

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of ashes, isn't he still in
a pile of ashes? He's sitting there

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in sackcloth. Basically, he's wearing
like a grain, a grain sack,

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you know, and and sitting in
ashes and he's right. Yeah. And

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the reason why, by the way, is because and I've always thought about

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this, was he in ashes because
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existed? Or was he in ashes
because it was symbolic like tearing your clothes.

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Well, I know it's symbolic,
yeah, but yeah, it might

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also been just that it was a
make that boils because he was covered in

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boils, right, and covered boils. He was scraping, scraping his boil.

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Oh, there you go, drying
it out. He was scraping the

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boils off with broken pottery. Because
not only had he had everything taken from

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him, his oxen and his donkeys
and his servants and all his livelihood and

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then his family and everything was just
taken away, but then the next phase,

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phase two, was an attack on
his physical body, and then he

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was covered with boile. So he's
so he's laying there and ashes, you

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know, talking to his wife,
talking to his friends, and then you

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know, just working out his emotions
of what is happening? Is God to

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blame? How should I react?
And by the way, I said this

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once you last week. But you
know what's encouraging about this is never once

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has Job considered taking his own life. His wife suggested it, you're right,

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and and die, curse God and
die, but no, never once

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did he ever? He didn't,
And thank goodness, they didn't, you

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know, why because right around the
corner are blessings upon blessings, And so

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when things are the absolute worst and
you feel like there's no hope and there's

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nothing worth living for, just hang
on to hope, just knowing that you

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never know what's around the corner.
So we are just going at a at

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an extremely brisk pace through this book. In we're gonna read Job twenty What

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chapter are we reading twenty eight?
Twenty eight? Yeah, yeah, we're

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reading twenty eight. But if you
go back just a few chapters here he

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talks about at one point, God
knows where I'm going and when he tests

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me, I'm going to come out
as gold. Remember how we talked about

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he kind of he's up and down. Why you guys being mean to me?

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Why? Why is God being mean
to me? Hey, you know

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what, God's testing me and I'm
going to come out of this fire and

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I'm going to be like peer gold. And then he goes back to the

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next chapter twenty four. He's like, how come isn't God paying attention?

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How come God doesn't go judge wicked
people? So Job's recognizing I'm I've done

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the best I can. I'm a
good person, and he was even God

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recognized Job did not know that God
was proud of how good Job was,

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right, not at this point.
But he's like, in chapter twenty four,

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he's like, I'm a good guy. Why isn't God going on judging

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bad people? In the whole chapter? It'him going, are you not paying

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it sent to the bad people?
I got pulled over one time for doing

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three miles an hour over the speed
limit. I hate that, right,

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I hate that I've had that happen
once. Now, speed limit was three

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miles below an hour below what I
was going. And when he walked up,

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he said, you know how fast
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eight and it was a fifty five. He goes, that's right, And

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he was going to write me a
ticket, right, And I'm like,

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are you serio, You're going to
write me a ticket for three over?

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And he goes, well, I
can you know I have the right to

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write your ticket. And I said, really, of all the things happening

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in this city, the single most
important thing for you to do is write

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me a ticket for three miles over. And he goes, three miles and

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overs against the law, and he
wrote me the ticket. Then, so

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as I thought about it later.
He was going to let me off,

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but then I got mad and challenged
to go. Of all the bad things

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happened in this city, the single
most important thing was I was doing fifty

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eight and fifty five. R dude, go arrest a bad guy. This

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is kind of of his Now.
I had a bad attitude, but in

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this situation job is fairly justified,
saying very very justice. Come on,

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God, are you paying attention?
All the wicked people are prospering, and

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here I am miserable, and I
think it's your fault. You're doing this

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to me. And so he goes
through all these conversations with everybody going I

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know my life, I know what
I've tried to do. By the time

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you get to chapter twenty seven,
he literally says, I'm going to maintain

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my innocence without wavering. My conscience
is clear as long as I live right.

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I'm not bending on this, and
he's talking to his friends at this

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point. I'm not bending on this. My conscience is clear, and I

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just don't understand it. But I
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gold. Right. Hey, by
the way, before we dive into it,

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to all the police officer. Listeners
out there, don't pull me over

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for three miles. I drove all
the way to North Carolina, Duck,

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North Carolina, and drove like fourteen
hours, and it was four in the

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morning, and I had three kids
sleeping in the back with blankets, like

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tiny little kids, and I was
a mile from the house. And that

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particular actually was twenty five miles an
hour. Okay, he pulled me over

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for like twenty eight just almost the
same scenario at four in the morning.

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And I said, sir, I
didn't know it was twenty five. I'm

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falling asleep as I'm driving. I
just drove fourteen hours to get to this

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vacation spot. And he gave me
a ticket? Did he really? He

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did? Well, just merciless.
Yeah, and you know, yeah,

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I got a ticket for running a
yellow light one time, failure to yield

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amber. That's the judge threw it
out. He goes, where's the officer

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and I said, he's not here. He said, I wouldn't showed up

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for this one either, and you
just dismissed it. Sometimes, Hey,

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thank god for the police officers.
I'm complaining about two times, and I

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was only saying it from job's perspective. Yes, so if we complain every

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once in a while about getting a
ticket, we don't feel like we deserve

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Job was complaining that God wasn't paying
attention to the bad guys, right,

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right, So that's all we were
doing. There's the reality is I feel

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like when I get a ticket,
I just go ahead and pay it usually

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because there's a lot of times I
didn't get a ticket, right, I

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mean, I deserve this one,
but I deserved one hundred thousand of them,

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right, you know, I didn't
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brings us up to this point where
he goes, I will maintain my innocence

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without wavering and my conscious as clear
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then from this point on, this
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last prayer kind of thing. As
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talk about the technology of the day, and I'm just going to blast through

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this whole chapter because I think it's
interesting. He goes and by the way,

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he's talking about wisdom. Where does
wisdom come from? Yeah, he

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gets to wisdom. Yeah, but
he's talking about how wise people are,

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and then he goes, God's wisdom
is beyond it is where he's going to

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go with this chapter. So if
you're wondering what it's about, that's what

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he's talking about. So you remember
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the beginning of that. So mining
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was cutting edge technology. He says. People know where to mind silver and

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how to refine gold. They know
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and how to smelt copper from rock. And they know how to shine light

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in the darkness and explore the farthest
regions of the earth. As they search

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in the dark for ore. They
sink a mind shaft into the earth,

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far from where anyone lives, and
they descend on ropes, swinging back and

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forth. And food has grown on
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earth is smelted as by fire.
Here the rocks contain precious lappy lazuli,

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and the dust contains gold. These
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no falcon's eye can observe. No
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No lion has ever set his paw
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apart flinty rocks and overturn the roots
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rocks and uncover the precious stones.
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bring to light the hidden treasures.
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Where can they find understanding? No
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for it's not found among the living. It is not here, says the

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ocean. Nor is it here,
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gold. It cannot be purchased with
silver. It's worth more than all the

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gold of o fear greater than precious
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valuable than gold and crystal. It
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fine gold and jasper are worthless,
and trying to get it. The price

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of wisdom is far above rubies.
That's a common phrase in the Book of

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Proverbs. By the way, Yep, precious paradot from Ethiopia cannot be exchanged

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for it. It's worth more than
the purest gold. But do people know

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where to find wisdom? Where can
they find understanding? It's hidden from the

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eyes of all humanity. Even the
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it. Destruction and death, say, we've heard only rumors of where wisdom

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can be found. God alone understands
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it can be found, for he
looks throughout the whole earth, sees everything

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under the heavens. He decided how
hard the winds should blow and how much

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rain should fall. He made the
laws for the rain, and laid out

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a path for the lightning. And
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He set it in place and examined
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says to all humanity. The fear
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forsake evil is real understanding. Oo. Yeah, you know what a what

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a conclusion? Yeah right? So
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who know how to find things,
and we find things that even animals can't

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find. And yet when it comes
to finding wisdom, we can't. We

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can't find it, yeah right.
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talk about where is it and how
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only God knows the path to wisdom
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Right, and then he says,
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wisdom. You know that one comment
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Uh, there's a life application of
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fear of the Lord is a key
theme in the wisdom literature of the Bible,

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like Job or Psalms, or Proverbs
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which by the way, are all
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all, all by Solomon except for
one. Right, Psalms and Job were

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not. But proverb Psalms is David, mostly David. Yeah, yeah,

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And but Proverbs Ecclesiastes. That's right. So it says it means to have

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respect and reverence for God and to
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This is the starting point of finding
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one, seven through nine, it
actually lays out and says that the fear

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of the Lord is the being of
all wisdom and actually says this is the

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purpose of the book. It lays
it out that way. Yeah, that's

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right here, Oh good, you
got it, ye, Proverbs one seven

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through nine, the fear of the
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fools despise wisdom and destruction. And
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my son, to your father's instructions. Do not forsake your mother's teaching.

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But the fear of the Lord is
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is written by the wisest man who
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the value of it, and he
says, wisdom is more valuable than anything

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that you could possibly have. Written
from a man who had everything. Yeah,

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there is nothing that he did not
have. Yeah, So I think

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this is what he's highlighting here is
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So well, this is what I
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and he does believe that God is
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you know, at the end here
he's talking about how God made laws for

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rain, lays out the path of
lightning. He determined when the when the

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wind would blow, and when the
rain is going to fall, and throughout

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the whole earth God set laws up. There's all these laws of nature.

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And he said, look, how
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laws of nature. And then he
said, you know, we feel pretty

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wise. We can go find gems
and we know how to plant, you

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know, food, And that lappy
Lazuli, for instance, was a gem.

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It's really deep blue. Have you
ever seen one? They're really deep

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blue. They've been mining them in
Afghanistan for six thousand years, right,

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stunningly beautiful. You got all these
different different gems that he mentions gold and

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silver. And you know, we
spend a lot of our life and we

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develop wisdom with regard to or smarts
let's say street smarts. Street smarts to

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make money, to build wealth.
We develop technologies to hopefully make our lives

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a little bit better. But that
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I was in a meeting a couple
of days ago about the use of I've

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had two meetings about this recently,
about the use of AI artificial intelligence in

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ministry, right, And one of
the conclusions, you know, we were

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talking about is, hey, if
you use it as research assistant, fantastic,

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this is really good. You know. I used to have i still

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do, thousands of books and I'd
have to go through and find them and

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I'd make markings, and for a
little while in my life, I was

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actually keeping a catalog of all my
best ideas that I found in different books

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where I could find them, you
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put together like a digital index,
and I never did, but now I

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can with AI. There's different ministry
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of the books plus ten thousand times
more all that knowledge in seconds that I

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can go find the information that But
that doesn't make me a better human just

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because I can find information faster,
it might make me lazier. So we

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have to be careful not to get
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on a screen. That's one.
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soul. There's no soul to it, so it can't really give It can't

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really give spiritual insight. It doesn't
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a big difference between the information it
takes to make money and the wisdom to

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really live a good life. Right, And he says the beginning of wisdom

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is fearing God, and that fear
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saying, God, your ways are
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right words, and I'm going to
live your way. The fact that he

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had fear for God caused him to
live God's way and even caught the devil's

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attention, and that's why all of
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because he had the fear of God. God taught him to live this way.

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The fear of God taught him wisdom. And so the best way to

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live is having a healthy respect for
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what we do is we want God. It's not a healthy respect for God.

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bless what we plan to do.
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here is in spite of all the
wisdom and all the knowledge that we have,

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we're not truly wise people unless we
go God's way. Yeah, and

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you know, all these scriptures pop
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like His ways are higher than our
ways, His thoughts are higher than our

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thoughts. Trust in the lower with
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on your own understanding. Right.
So, so just the indicators that you

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know, no matter how wise we
think we are, no matter how you

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know, how much we think we
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source of all wisdom. And there's
a there's a little graph here at the

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end of the Life Application Study Bible, and it says work and wisdom be

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found. I think it's interesting and
points out Job's three friends, those with

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those weird names, right, h
what is it a leaf? As as

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Bill Dad and so Far and Elfhaz
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experienced life. That's that's it.
That that recaps sort of what he says.

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Bill Dad says wisdom is inherited from
the past, right from his you

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could learn from wisdom. So Far
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In other words, it's just gifted. But then Job is the one that

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says God is the source of wisdom. Isn't that cool? So if you

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were to summarize sort of what these
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it's a really good lesson. You
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on friends hang around with those who
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So I met with a wedding couple
yesterday and I prayed, and I

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always pray sort of the same thing. I say, Bless them financially,

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take care of them, provide,
bless them, you know, spiritually,

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surround them with people that appoint them
in the right direction, and then bless

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them relationally, put the right people
in their lives. And they always at

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the end, they always just say
thank you for that, you know,

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because it's just one of those,
you know prayers that say like, wow,

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that's you know, praying that God
would watch over us and all these

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different things, every facet and every
facet. But whenever I think of that,

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that's what I think of when I'm
even when I'm praying, I think,

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I think, surround this couple or
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of people that will both encourage them
emotionally and then also spiritually. And this

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is this is what Job has discovered, Like these are good friends, but

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not not when it comes down,
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Yeah, you can pick up good
things from living life, Yeah you

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can. That's a hard way to
gain wisdom, by the way. Yes,

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that means you touch the you touch
the hot the hot stove to find

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out it's hot. Now you have
some wisdom. But that's a hard way

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to live. Yes, you can
learn from the past, right, history

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teach us. That's incredibly important.
You can learn from other wise people,

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but all of those are less superior
to the fact that God is the source

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of wisdom, and we can learn
from God without having to go only with

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those other paths. Yeah, and
it's also worth noting that three friends weren't

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able to bring Job down, right, right, So Job is stronger than

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not one, not two, but
three influences. And by the way,

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that's that's pretty rare. Yeah,
because if you hang with people that are

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gonna drag it, you know,
if they're there, If you're the one

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who's setting the bar spiritually, and
you hang out with three good friends,

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uh, oftentimes there you know more
than not, you're gonna be the one

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that's dragged down. Yeah. Yeah, So Solomon, to end things,

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Solomon tells us wisdom is the principal
thing. So with all of your getting,

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get wisdom and sell it, not
trust, he says. And then

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James tells us if anybody lacks wisdom, let let them ask from God,

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who gives generously, right, right, And so wisdom is it God's word.

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The fact that you know you're listening
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every day listening to God's word,
I think that's incredibly important. You just

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take it in, you're filling your
reservoir of wisdom, and then at the

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right time God will pull those things
out. So good job, that's awesome.

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Well, that is a great place
to end, and hopefully we will

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see you next time. All the
Bible guys,