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so back when Covid happened

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a lot of PHP meetups sort of ceased existing because

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you know they got out of the rhythm

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they got out of the flow and as part of that

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you know we've lost a lot of that

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connection that we've had over the years

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um and Chris

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Morel has come up with this bright idea

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to create this thing called phbx

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which is brand new meet UPS and uh

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just kinda get the community back together

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uh so welcome to the show

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Chris and uh

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tell us a little bit about this uh

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thing you're starting

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thanks uh

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I'm happy to be here I

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I don't wanna take full credit for it uh

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I think that you know

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really Joe Tannenbaum uh

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is responsible for the the phpx name um

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and there was there was really a

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sort of a community conversation about this idea

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that a bunch of people kind of contributed to

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I was pretty involved in a bunch of local meetups

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I was involved with a PHP meetup

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and I felt like even before Covid

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a lot of the meet up culture was kinda going away

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strong meet UPS and and we have some um

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for anyone else who did still uh

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exist or any any meet up that did exist

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it felt like that was that was what put it to an end

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online events and that was fantastic

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you know when things started to open up

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specifically I know for myself

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I was just like I can't only have this once a year

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like developer community online in a new way um

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you can pop it with me

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big meet up of a bunch of friends

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that was my experience uh

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two years ago that was my experience with this one um

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we need we need something like this in Philly um

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and I know a bunch of other people were talk

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kinda talking about it so I started up a group

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Philadelphia PHP or I think it was um

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making it a little bit more focused on just general

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open source not PHP specifically um

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and at the same time Joe started up PHP NYC um

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he just did a better job of promoting it and uh

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three people in a pizza shop to six people to um

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like what you are so cute

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but I feel like I've just been speaking non stop

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Spartanburg not Spartanburg Greenville

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which is only like two hours from Charlotte

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and it's definitely something everybody should do

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meet the local community

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meet the local developers cause it's um

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those I mean they've put on a couple events

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three four more people already um

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starting them in in their uh cities

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everyone who kind of had been thinking about it

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but weren't sure what they were gonna do

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if they were gonna do it yet um

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sister organizations um

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a handful of people who kind of knew each other to like

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which was really fun um

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so I'm still a little torn on meet up.com

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but it is nice to have an option

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especially for smaller groups that don't wanna

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to pay that fee for sure

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you've got you've got to be able to add an API

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all the future meetups into Louisville news

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I can share them out with the Louisville community

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you can like sit around that's willing to go anywhere

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things like that

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yeah that's the dream

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um I think they're organising a meet up

280
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it's it can be daunting um

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you know you can do it in a pretty low key way

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that's what we do in Philly and that's kind of uh

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how I survive it because if I tried to do it

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quote unquote the right way

285
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I think that it just it would just mean that I

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never scheduled another event

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um so we kinda just pick a date that seems to work and

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stop

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and I think that's fine um

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but even that uh can be a little daunting

291
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and so yeah I've been thinking a lot

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4 5

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6

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what can we do to make it easier for other groups

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to sort of learn from the lessons that we've Learned

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and sort of pool resources around

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sponsors and around speakers

298
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other things like that you know

299
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I don't mind I I

300
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I'm happy to buy a couple pizzas and

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and some uh drinks and stuff like that but you know

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I don't want that that could be a burden for someone uh

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who's running a meet up

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I

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a place that that can offer space for free

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mean look

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um and so I wanna find a way to

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uh build maybe a directory of

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all cars that were on me

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um and some resources for meetups to

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to to use around organizing and promoting and um

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you know even things like okay

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uh 25 people rsvp'd

314
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how many people are likely to actually show right

315
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like that's a that's a

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calculation that you have to kind of figure out

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because it's not 25 um

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and you know that first

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that first meet up where uh

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six people showed I

321
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I walked home with uh

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you know two and a half whole pizzas

323
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ha ha ha um

324
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which is fine you know

325
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but figuring that stuff out like it

326
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cause that makes it much harder because right

327
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and now yeah

328
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I was gonna say you you kinda touched on that

329
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but like even the sponsorships

330
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like it seems like as a company

331
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it would be much easier just to send a check to

332
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I don't know

333
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phpx and then let you just divvy this out to how

334
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you know whatever meet up needs it um

335
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versus you know

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um going to each one individually um

337
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could be I could be wrong on that

338
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but that's just where my head goes as a business owner

339
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I'm like well

340
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if I could just send it to one place and I'm done

341
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that would be seems easier

342
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well there

343
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there's also you know

344
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you can also think about it as they can sponsor the

345
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or the group and you know

346
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potentially get their logo

347
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not just on the Philly meet up site

348
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but also on the site you know

349
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the sites for all the groups at the same time

350
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there are some benefits there

351
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yeah I've been looking at um

352
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you know the PHP Foundation uses Open Collective um

353
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and Open Collective is a platform for um

354
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this type of thing you know like uh

355
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organizing fundraising

356
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and the cool thing is they maintain the legal entity um

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and and do some of the governance side of things um

358
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so it's potentially a way to have sort of a

359
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you know an official entity that could hold some

360
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you know hold some money and distribute some money um

361
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and they they build in a lot of ways to make that

362
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really transparent which is really cool um

363
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and that way cause I

364
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you know the thing I don't wanna do is I don't wanna

365
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like just have people send me

366
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send me checks and then like send

367
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you know send out uh

368
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venmos to you know

369
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I'm I'm

370
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I'm not interested in doing that but um

371
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I think that there's an opportunity there

372
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I don't know you know

373
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that it that's a little daunting

374
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I'm gonna be honest um

375
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so someone is listening to this that's like hey

376
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I I love doing that side

377
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you know I wanna get involved and I

378
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I would be a good person to

379
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to do some of the administrative and

380
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organizational side of things

381
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definitely reach out because um

382
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I am really interested in seeing it happen

383
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I'm willing to put some personal money into like

384
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setting that up if that's necessary

385
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but like I don't know if I can commit the time

386
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right yeah

387
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that was that's the enemy of everybody right haha

388
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well um

389
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and then I guess

390
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so most of the phpx group so far are sort of

391
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what northeast like located

392
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I guess they're all pretty drivable right

393
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um except for like Atlanta and upstate

394
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I guess most of them are more um

395
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more directed that way um

396
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is there any reason you see that

397
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or if it just not expanded out west yet

398
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yeah I don't know um

399
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I think it's just it just is kinda how it happened to

400
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to fall um

401
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and uh

402
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yeah if there are folks

403
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you know

404
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if there are folks out there that are interested

405
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like definitely Reach out and even if it's a if it's a

406
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an existing PHP user group

407
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or a Laraville meetup or whatever um well

408
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I'll add you to the externals list

409
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you know

410
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might as well get everybody in the same place and yeah

411
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I'm I already have a

412
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an API that that gets a list of the groups um

413
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also

414
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put together an API that gets a list of the meet up

415
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so then you know sites like Laraville News could

416
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that's right

417
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yeah that would be sweet

418
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um I was gonna say as an organizer and as

419
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as a you know

420
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meet up attendee what do you think is best

421
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like an in depth speaker or the show and tale stuff

422
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or do you just like a mix of everything

423
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I think in my experience so far

424
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and it's relatively limited uh

425
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this time around at least

426
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I think that they draw different groups

427
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and I think that they all have different uh

428
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value you know when we had uh

429
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nothing

430
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that were clearly there

431
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because they wanted to do this sort of like

432
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you know professional development side of the meet up

433
00:17:12,333 --> 00:17:14,300
um and weren't necessarily

434
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as interested in the social side um

435
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when we had more of an informal thing

436
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you know that allowed um

437
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a different kind of conversation happen

438
00:17:25,933 --> 00:17:28,966
although that that happens before and after anyway but

439
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um the sort of smaller social meet up

440
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you know it was really nice to just like

441
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sit down with people and talk about the

442
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the word word press uh

443
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you know nonsense and uh

444
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I can't remember exactly what else was going on then

445
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but um

446
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so I I think that at least we're peach be Philly and um

447
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I look

448
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like mixing social uh

449
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show and tell and like proper presentations

450
00:18:00,700 --> 00:18:03,666
uh is a really good way to sort of like

451
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connect with a bunch of different people um

452
00:18:06,666 --> 00:18:09,600
another thing that we're talking about doing is like uh

453
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you know a PHP filly

454
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like axe throwing it together

455
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or like a go kart racing or rock climbing or whatever

456
00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:17,066
you know like

457
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come on

458
00:18:23,700 --> 00:18:24,533
but just like

459
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let's get together in different settings and like

460
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maybe do an escape room together

461
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or something like that or

462
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you know um

463
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so I think that's interesting

464
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we haven't tried it yet but I

465
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I really like the mix and I think it

466
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the different types of events

467
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like meet different types of people in the right way

468
00:18:43,766 --> 00:18:44,600
yeah I

469
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I actually like that idea

470
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um cause I remember like

471
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so we

472
00:18:47,966 --> 00:18:52,666
we both went to the upstate PHP meet up back in band uh

473
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it was the two ago was the one I went to

474
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it was back back in the summer

475
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I think but anyway

476
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we all went early and we just had lunch hung out

477
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you know I

478
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I think it you actually had a hotel room

479
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so we were all everybody went up there

480
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we just hung out for a little bit and then

481
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and then we walked over and it was great

482
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just sort of being away from like

483
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having to listen to a talk

484
00:19:12,733 --> 00:19:13,666
we're just like you know

485
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talking and just make be you know

486
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becoming friends basically in real life

487
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and then uh

488
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so it's always great to have those

489
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you know outside

490
00:19:21,066 --> 00:19:23,633
of just hate you have to learn at this meet up thing

491
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haha

492
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I mean also it's hard

493
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it's hard to get a speaker for every event

494
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and I I know for certain that there are meet UPS that

495
00:19:33,166 --> 00:19:35,166
basically died because

496
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the organizer ended up having to speak at at

497
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at like

498
00:19:38,300 --> 00:19:42,033
all the meet UPS that they couldn't get a speaker for

499
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and like that just became too much of a burden um

500
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so I think setting things up in the beginning

501
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where it's like

502
00:19:48,933 --> 00:19:52,333
we're not gonna do that same format every time is

503
00:19:52,333 --> 00:19:54,666
is definitely a good way to go

504
00:19:54,766 --> 00:19:56,466
and like experiment with different

505
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different ways of getting together

506
00:19:58,300 --> 00:20:00,333
yeah that's true um

507
00:20:00,333 --> 00:20:02,566
what do you think um

508
00:20:02,566 --> 00:20:05,000
as far as like PHP Philly

509
00:20:05,300 --> 00:20:07,000
some of these other ones I know um

510
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:08,800
upstate PHP does it quarterly

511
00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:10,966
are you gonna try to do monthly or quarterly

512
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or do you have um

513
00:20:12,566 --> 00:20:14,233
what do you know what's best I don't know

514
00:20:14,900 --> 00:20:15,800
I

515
00:20:16,666 --> 00:20:19,466
I am calling it bimonthly ish

516
00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,666
um I think that probably being on a regular

517
00:20:23,666 --> 00:20:25,633
schedule makes a lot of sense and

518
00:20:25,666 --> 00:20:28,500
and maybe someday we will um

519
00:20:28,533 --> 00:20:32,866
right now being a little bit more flexible is just

520
00:20:32,900 --> 00:20:38,033
what makes it work for for Andrew and myself and um

521
00:20:38,533 --> 00:20:40,933
I just think that's that's just better

522
00:20:40,933 --> 00:20:42,400
but I think um

523
00:20:43,333 --> 00:20:46,233
excuse me I think that monthly is hard to pull off

524
00:20:46,366 --> 00:20:48,500
I think quarterly is great

525
00:20:48,500 --> 00:20:50,000
I think I for me

526
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,200
bimonthly feels like a really good cadence

527
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,266
because it's a little bit more frequent

528
00:20:54,266 --> 00:20:55,266
but you have

529
00:20:55,266 --> 00:20:59,200
enough space and time to figure out each event um

530
00:20:59,333 --> 00:21:01,866
I think it also probably depends on like

531
00:21:01,866 --> 00:21:04,533
sort of the size of the the region right

532
00:21:04,533 --> 00:21:05,600
if you're in a bigger city

533
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,100
you can probably do more frequent events

534
00:21:08,100 --> 00:21:11,733
because even if not everyone shows for each event

535
00:21:11,733 --> 00:21:13,866
like you're good um

536
00:21:13,866 --> 00:21:15,466
if you're in a smaller region

537
00:21:15,666 --> 00:21:17,300
I don't know why

538
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,366
because you need to like

539
00:21:19,366 --> 00:21:23,466
kinda rely on a core group of people to show um

540
00:21:23,866 --> 00:21:25,766
just because there's fewer people around

541
00:21:25,766 --> 00:21:26,566
you know

542
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,700
so that probably makes a big big impact

543
00:21:30,533 --> 00:21:31,900
yes I love that I'm

544
00:21:31,900 --> 00:21:32,366
I'm very

545
00:21:32,366 --> 00:21:36,200
I'm very much here for the user group resurgence um

546
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,000
I think I think it's gonna be great for the community

547
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:39,566
great for developers

548
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,333
it's just gonna build everybody up in the end

549
00:21:41,333 --> 00:21:42,900
if all this kind of works out

550
00:21:42,900 --> 00:21:43,833
and people start

551
00:21:43,900 --> 00:21:45,533
getting together more often than just big

552
00:21:45,533 --> 00:21:47,766
tech conferences you know once or twice a year

553
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,333
yeah the tech conferences are awesome

554
00:21:50,333 --> 00:21:53,200
I mean Lara Con is such an incredible event

555
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:54,166
Lara Con US

556
00:21:58,900 --> 00:22:03,566
so I will say it is impossible for me

557
00:22:03,766 --> 00:22:05,200
we came out of profit

558
00:22:06,266 --> 00:22:07,133
yes well

559
00:22:07,133 --> 00:22:07,366
the

560
00:22:07,366 --> 00:22:09,400
the problem I run into at these big conversations is

561
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,133
there's just too many people to

562
00:22:11,133 --> 00:22:12,866
you can't spend a whole lot of time with each

563
00:22:12,866 --> 00:22:14,266
individual um

564
00:22:14,266 --> 00:22:15,800
before the conference is over and then you're like

565
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:16,600
oh man

566
00:22:16,666 --> 00:22:19,000
it's like I really want to talk to them but oh well

567
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:20,433
I I missed them ha ha

568
00:22:20,966 --> 00:22:22,166
yeah even at

569
00:22:22,266 --> 00:22:24,500
even at 22 I couldn't get to

570
00:22:24,533 --> 00:22:27,000
really have a conversation with everybody in the room

571
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,200
at the last PHP Philly

572
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:29,133
it's you know

573
00:22:29,133 --> 00:22:29,933
really

574
00:22:30,866 --> 00:22:32,066
if you wanna have like

575
00:22:32,066 --> 00:22:34,900
real actual conversations with people

576
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,066
there's only so many that those

577
00:22:37,066 --> 00:22:38,333
that you can do in a night right

578
00:22:39,066 --> 00:22:39,866
mm hmm

579
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,100
for sure for sure well

580
00:22:43,100 --> 00:22:43,966
um Chris

581
00:22:43,966 --> 00:22:46,766
I wanna thank you tremendously for you know

582
00:22:46,766 --> 00:22:47,666
taking time out your day

583
00:22:47,666 --> 00:22:49,600
and tell me all about this new PHB thing that's

584
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:50,400
that you've been working on

585
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,900
cause I I keep seeing it all over um

586
00:22:52,966 --> 00:22:54,466
the blue sky feed uh

587
00:22:54,466 --> 00:22:57,200
which is also making the resurgence and uh

588
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:58,766
it's it's kinda cool to see

589
00:22:58,766 --> 00:23:00,533
see all this coming together and everybody

590
00:23:00,533 --> 00:23:01,900
you know being pumped about it

591
00:23:01,900 --> 00:23:04,366
so I'm I'm super excited to see where this goes

592
00:23:04,366 --> 00:23:06,033
you know the next few months

593
00:23:06,166 --> 00:23:07,100
yeah absolutely

594
00:23:07,100 --> 00:23:09,500
I can't wait to see you you know

595
00:23:09,766 --> 00:23:11,200
another dozen of these

596
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,966
pop up over the next couple months let's make it happen

597
00:23:14,700 --> 00:23:15,800
for sure for sure

598
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:16,866
and I'll have uh

599
00:23:16,866 --> 00:23:18,733
links to all these in the show notes

600
00:23:18,733 --> 00:23:20,100
links to Chris's uh

601
00:23:20,100 --> 00:23:22,366
socials so you can reach out to him if you

602
00:23:22,366 --> 00:23:23,066
you know wanna

603
00:23:23,066 --> 00:23:23,866
wanna start one

604
00:23:23,866 --> 00:23:25,833
or have questions or anything like that

605
00:23:26,100 --> 00:23:27,266
um but um

606
00:23:27,266 --> 00:23:28,566
if if I didn't leave

607
00:23:28,566 --> 00:23:29,433
if I didn't leave

608
00:23:29,466 --> 00:23:31,266
leave anything out and if you want anything

609
00:23:31,266 --> 00:23:32,300
go ahead um

610
00:23:32,300 --> 00:23:33,100
but um

611
00:23:33,866 --> 00:23:34,666
no I mean

612
00:23:34,666 --> 00:23:37,100
the only thing that I I would follow that up with is

613
00:23:37,100 --> 00:23:37,400
you know if

614
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,400
if you're out there and you're interested in

615
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,300
getting together with other people um

616
00:23:43,533 --> 00:23:46,566
even if you're not sure about set

617
00:23:46,566 --> 00:23:49,133
you know organizing a meet up yourself um

618
00:23:49,133 --> 00:23:49,800
I think the next

619
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,666
one of the next things that I wanna add to this

620
00:23:52,666 --> 00:23:54,866
like HPX um

621
00:23:54,866 --> 00:23:57,200
event system is sort of a

622
00:23:57,766 --> 00:24:00,166
a way to show interest or a way like sort of a

623
00:24:00,166 --> 00:24:02,466
a placeholder type um

624
00:24:02,466 --> 00:24:04,200
meet up so

625
00:24:04,300 --> 00:24:06,366
you know what let's set up

626
00:24:06,366 --> 00:24:10,366
your city and see if anyone sort of shows up and

627
00:24:10,366 --> 00:24:11,500
and go from there

628
00:24:11,500 --> 00:24:13,866
so you don't even have to necessarily commit to

629
00:24:13,966 --> 00:24:16,400
to fully organising and again

630
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,733
if if you run an existing

631
00:24:18,733 --> 00:24:19,866
you know PP user group

632
00:24:19,866 --> 00:24:21,266
a Laravale user group meet up

633
00:24:21,266 --> 00:24:22,933
whatever it is um

634
00:24:22,933 --> 00:24:24,300
and you wanna get added to the list

635
00:24:24,300 --> 00:24:26,200
definitely reach out cause I'd love to

636
00:24:26,333 --> 00:24:28,366
you know I'd love to get uh

637
00:24:28,366 --> 00:24:30,800
as many of these meet UPS out there and it

638
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,166
and as much as much exposure as possible for them

639
00:24:35,133 --> 00:24:36,800
sweet that sounds awesome

640
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,266
well thanks again

641
00:24:38,266 --> 00:24:41,433
and man it was a blast as always talking to Chris

642
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,600
absolutely thanks for having me