WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:20.605 This is for the sled dogs in the trenches. Real hockey parents, real stories. The Good and the Gong Show. No filters, no sugarcoating, no politics, just straight hockey talk, and the best guests around the barn. Welcome to the Crazy Hockey Dads Podcast. 00:00:20.685 --> 00:00:26.365 Alright, boys. Grind them corners, chirp responsibly, and bring that savage fire. 00:00:40.900 --> 00:00:59.880 Alright, everybody. Welcome back to the Crazy Hockey Dads Podcast Episode number 72 powered by Pacific Rink, the unfiltered podcast for hockey parents. No politics, no sugarcoating, just real talk for hockey parents in the trenches coming to you remote. 00:01:00.520 --> 00:01:06.840 Well, you know what you sound like? What? You sound like you're trying not to speak too loudly in a public I 00:01:07.320 --> 00:01:12.360 am a 100% trying not to do that, by the way. You're you're exactly right about that. 00:01:12.595 --> 00:01:14.035 Maybe we should whisper the 00:01:14.035 --> 00:01:16.915 whole show. Is it that obvious? Sorry, folks. Sorry. 00:01:17.555 --> 00:01:19.955 Why don't you just keep the microphone closer to your mouth? 00:01:20.035 --> 00:01:21.155 I'm trying to. 00:01:21.155 --> 00:01:22.355 Yeah. That's much better. 00:01:22.515 --> 00:01:25.875 I know. But I'm trying to hide the microphone so it doesn't look like I'm recording a podcast. 00:01:27.150 --> 00:01:32.430 Well well, I mean, by by staying away from it, you're not giving it any extra cover. 00:01:32.510 --> 00:01:36.190 What do you want me to tell you? I don't know. You don't have to tell me anything. 00:01:36.510 --> 00:01:39.550 Yeah. What's up, dude? So, you are in the middle of 00:01:39.550 --> 00:01:41.550 on a fire right now. 00:01:42.315 --> 00:01:43.755 Well, that's for a few reasons. 00:01:43.755 --> 00:01:46.795 I am having a crazy Hockey Dads meltdown at the moment. 00:01:46.795 --> 00:01:50.635 Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Full swing, buddy. Meltdown alert. Meltdown alert. 00:01:50.635 --> 00:01:56.075 Full swing. Literally full swing. Okay. So, go. Where do you want me to start? 00:01:56.075 --> 00:01:56.875 From the beginning. 00:01:57.440 --> 00:02:14.945 From the beginning? Yes. I woke up this morning, I finished packing Dominic and I because he had a kind of like a showcase up at Sacred Heart University. 00:02:14.945 --> 00:02:17.825 Nice. Did you oh, it's use your Pacific Rink pact? 00:02:18.225 --> 00:02:19.265 Oh, a 100%. 00:02:19.265 --> 00:02:20.305 Oh, nice, dude. 00:02:20.305 --> 00:02:25.430 Oh, yeah, man. They're on our they're on our our socials, I think. I think we really put up on our socials already. 00:02:25.430 --> 00:02:27.430 Yeah, was just double checking. 00:02:27.430 --> 00:02:40.065 Oh, a 100% I did. Yeah, a 100%. So, yes. So, woke up this morning, finished packing Dom and I. So, somebody obviously, you know somebody hit my Jeep not too long ago, Right? 00:02:40.065 --> 00:02:48.545 Yes. And I've been putting it off, not getting it fixed. Yeah. Just because I'm busy. I need my car. 00:02:48.545 --> 00:03:08.660 Right? So, like, so so I dropped off this morning. My mother picked me up from the auto body shop, drove me over to Enterprise Rent A Car, grabbed a car, went home, you know, packed it. So Dom and I jumped in. So we've been like going oh, had to stop at pure hockey because he snapped his pulse Friday night. 00:03:10.335 --> 00:03:17.615 Right? But don't you have, like, 17, like, 17 blade techs? 00:03:20.175 --> 00:03:31.100 They're too short for him because he keeps growing. Oof. Yeah. Meanwhile, how do I get you in my ear, Scott? I I feel like I'm listening to you there's speakers in my in my computer. 00:03:31.260 --> 00:03:31.740 Jeez. 00:03:31.740 --> 00:03:31.900 How do 00:03:31.900 --> 00:03:32.060 you get 00:03:32.060 --> 00:03:32.940 you in my ear? 00:03:33.260 --> 00:03:36.140 Oh, well, let me see if I can help you with that. 00:03:36.140 --> 00:03:39.165 We're having technical difficulties with me in the lobby of a hotel. 00:03:39.165 --> 00:03:40.445 Are are your your 00:03:40.845 --> 00:03:41.725 Hold on. I got it. 00:03:41.725 --> 00:03:45.245 Your speakers are you mean, your headphones are connected to the microphone or your computer? 00:03:45.645 --> 00:03:47.565 My headphones are connected to my computer. 00:03:47.565 --> 00:03:49.405 So chain put it to the microphone? 00:03:49.725 --> 00:03:50.685 Yep. I got you, buddy. 00:03:50.685 --> 00:03:51.725 And then change it. 00:03:51.725 --> 00:03:54.610 We're good. I changed it to the mic. We're good. We're good. 00:03:54.610 --> 00:04:02.290 Okay. You're the man. So anyhow, so you went and so yet another multi $100 stick broke. Okay. Excellent. 00:04:02.290 --> 00:04:03.410 Outside of the warranty 00:04:03.650 --> 00:04:05.410 $300 for the pulse orange. 00:04:05.410 --> 00:04:06.370 So now that's in the garbage? 00:04:06.955 --> 00:04:11.355 In the garbage. Yep. The blade snapped on Friday night at a three on three. 00:04:11.755 --> 00:04:15.915 Oh, well, that's the you started off your weekend fucking spot on, dude. 00:04:16.875 --> 00:04:32.630 You know, I wasn't too worried about him snapping the well, the funny part about it was is he snapped the he snapped his pulse, and he has a a Twitch backup. And the Twitch backup's, like, two inches longer. Yeah. Right? So he used it for the end of and he crushed it in a three on three. 00:04:32.630 --> 00:04:45.315 So he's like, okay. He's like, I'm good. So finally, like so we're on our way up here to to to Connecticut this morning or this afternoon. And he's like, dad, he's like, what if my stick breaks? He's like, I don't have a backup. 00:04:45.315 --> 00:04:56.020 I'm like, oh, shit. So of course, pure hockey in Stanford is right there. Right? So we stopped at pure hockey along the drive. I added a stop to my ways, you know, to my ways. 00:04:56.100 --> 00:05:19.660 So we stopped. We were driving my pussies anyway, so it's not it was difficult. But so we stopped, bought another $300 stick, got a skate sharpened, he needed some more tape, and he needed some blizzard grip, and he needed this, and he needed that. You know? So I walk out of there like, you know, $400, you know, lighter. 00:05:20.140 --> 00:05:28.300 You know? So then we get to oh, listen. It gets better. We get so we finally get to Sacred Heart. Literally, it was not raining the entire day, but it was overcast. 00:05:28.300 --> 00:05:28.780 Right? 00:05:28.860 --> 00:05:29.180 Mhmm. 00:05:29.180 --> 00:05:32.860 So we get to Sacred Heart. I park. It starts pouring. 00:05:33.895 --> 00:05:35.735 Alright. I mean, probably you 00:05:35.735 --> 00:05:38.295 have to the car. Zero. Yep. Because it's 00:05:38.295 --> 00:05:38.935 a rental. Awesome. 00:05:39.335 --> 00:05:50.990 Good job. I rented a Dodge Durango because it was the kind of the biggest SUV they had. Who knew that the rental car place were busy Monday mornings? I didn't till this morning. 00:05:51.230 --> 00:05:53.310 Okay. Okay. So that's 00:05:53.710 --> 00:06:08.175 That's a thing. Alright. Yeah. So so we got to Sacred Heart, and he registered and, you know, got on the ice at 04:45. Okay. 00:06:08.335 --> 00:06:23.290 No, 04:20. Yeah, that's 04:20. Okey doke. And? It was a very high end showcase with like prep schools and colleges that are that are watching. 00:06:23.530 --> 00:06:29.690 Mhmm. Right? So, yeah, it was it was good. You know? 00:06:29.690 --> 00:06:30.570 And how did that? 00:06:30.570 --> 00:06:32.855 He He was with elevens and twelves. 00:06:32.855 --> 00:06:34.295 How many kids were on the ice? 00:06:34.855 --> 00:06:38.055 It was just his team. He's team a. There's a team b. 00:06:38.695 --> 00:06:41.975 So we're talking like 15 aside more? 00:06:42.775 --> 00:06:46.135 I would say it's probably about 15 kids. Yeah. Something like that. Fifteen sixty kids. 00:06:46.215 --> 00:06:46.535 All the 00:06:47.230 --> 00:06:51.790 Yeah. Yeah. Well, there there was 50. It was just our practice for our team. The other team practices 00:06:51.790 --> 00:06:57.710 So that's the only time he's only skated with his team so far? Correct. And and how do end up on that team? 00:06:57.870 --> 00:07:01.665 Is there any rhyme or reason? Or they just divvied up. Right. Okay. Gotcha. 00:07:01.665 --> 00:07:17.530 You know, all very high level triple a kids, a lot of Mid Fairfield, two Boston Junior Eagle kids. I think that there's it's all elevens. The only twelves are Dominic, the two Junior Eagles kids, and, like, four Mid Fairfield kids. Wow. And Yeah. 00:07:17.690 --> 00:07:19.850 How to It was good. 00:07:19.850 --> 00:07:21.610 You did you know any of the other families? 00:07:21.690 --> 00:07:22.490 I did. Yes. 00:07:22.490 --> 00:07:23.770 You did? Oh, I got you. 00:07:23.770 --> 00:07:25.130 Rec house a bunch of people. 00:07:25.290 --> 00:07:33.095 How did so once Dom once that all registered upstairs with Dom, was he like sweet or is he like, uh-oh? 00:07:33.495 --> 00:07:43.655 I think he was a little I think he was a little apprehensive at first, but but he performed nicely, so I can't complain. 00:07:43.735 --> 00:07:44.215 Oh, good. 00:07:44.540 --> 00:07:48.540 Yeah. He the part. He did. Yes. Oh, great. 00:07:48.620 --> 00:07:59.820 His bandwidth got a little light. I would say midway through, started out real good. Bandwidth kind of started to wane midway through and then picked it up at the end. 00:08:00.265 --> 00:08:08.665 Okay. And when he got off, was he Yeah. Good spirits? Like, he liked the the skate? Like, what what was going on? 00:08:08.665 --> 00:08:11.065 I think he was happy with himself. Oh, good. 00:08:11.065 --> 00:08:12.185 That's always great. 00:08:12.345 --> 00:08:13.980 Yeah. Yeah. So that was good. 00:08:14.060 --> 00:08:15.180 You know? Nice, dude. 00:08:15.180 --> 00:08:23.340 So yeah. Yeah. He sleeping on campus? No. He's in the hotel with me. 00:08:23.340 --> 00:08:24.620 So this is only a day thing. 00:08:24.620 --> 00:08:24.860 None of 00:08:24.860 --> 00:08:26.855 those kids are or they aren't. It's just like 00:08:27.015 --> 00:08:27.815 sleeping there. No. 00:08:27.815 --> 00:08:28.535 Right. Got you. 00:08:28.535 --> 00:08:37.335 No. This is it's funny. I this is I know you were asking me earlier, and it sounds ridiculous. I thought this was a hockey camp. This is a showcase. 00:08:38.870 --> 00:08:43.190 Clearly, I didn't read the email. I did not read the email when they sent it to me. 00:08:43.830 --> 00:08:58.165 Yeah. Reading is important. It is. But may maybe maybe, you know, you should do you should like on you should change the settings so that, all of your emails become audiobooks or audio emails. So you can listen to them, but then you can say you read them. 00:09:00.245 --> 00:09:05.000 So funny you say that. If I could have listened to it, I probably would have been 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:06.520 fine. Better informed. 00:09:06.520 --> 00:09:12.920 Yes. Correct. Not you're not wrong about that. That's funny. So yes. 00:09:12.920 --> 00:09:21.815 So yeah. No. But it was it was good. He, like I said, some high end kids, so he was kind of in his old element again, which was really good. Yeah. 00:09:21.815 --> 00:09:23.095 Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Especially if 00:09:23.095 --> 00:09:24.455 he comes off the ice feeling good. 00:09:24.775 --> 00:09:28.455 Yes. And, this was not your average triple a. 00:09:28.900 --> 00:09:32.020 Right. It was like elite, high end elite players. 00:09:32.020 --> 00:09:32.660 Very. 00:09:32.820 --> 00:09:34.260 Yeah. Got you. That's great. 00:09:34.260 --> 00:09:37.460 And he and he belonged, which was good. Totally. 00:09:37.540 --> 00:09:40.100 Yeah. That's awesome. I'm I'm happy for him. 00:09:40.180 --> 00:09:47.355 Yeah. Me too. He was he was a little he was an Erwinist, but he these first couple of drills, he shook off the rust. Yeah. Yeah. 00:09:47.595 --> 00:09:48.395 This was good. 00:09:48.875 --> 00:09:58.155 Is there, like, a networking component to this at all or no? Is there are the coaches just there, like, you're you're not none of the parents are getting in front of the the the representatives that are there or they are? 00:09:58.155 --> 00:10:17.595 You know, it's funny you say that. Tomorrow morning, when we registered, the guy registering us says he said tomorrow morning, they're gonna have, like, a little bit of an orientation for us. Mhmm. And they're gonna go over, like, you know, NCAA do's and don'ts. Like, I don't think they're allowed to talk to anybody. 00:10:17.995 --> 00:10:23.675 So that apparently, some something is coming tomorrow morning with, 00:10:24.075 --> 00:10:24.875 like info? 00:10:25.320 --> 00:10:25.880 Yeah. 00:10:26.600 --> 00:10:29.640 Dude, if there's a you should see about getting guests on up there. 00:10:31.560 --> 00:10:34.360 I'm sure I can work something. You know? 00:10:34.760 --> 00:10:37.080 I don't mean, like, like, record while you're up right now, 00:10:37.080 --> 00:10:41.765 but just Yeah. I don't know who am to talk to. I'll find out tomorrow morning. You know? 00:10:41.925 --> 00:10:43.685 Yeah. But for different reasons. You know? 00:10:44.085 --> 00:10:55.550 Yes. Yes. But, again, I'm not sure. Again, I'm not sure who I'm gonna find out tomorrow who I am and I'm not allowed to talk to. Okay. 00:10:55.550 --> 00:11:01.710 You know what I mean? So it's funny. I text our buddy, Kellen Jones, Kellen and Connor. 00:11:01.870 --> 00:11:02.270 Oh, yeah. 00:11:02.270 --> 00:11:03.790 Were there any of them there? 00:11:03.870 --> 00:11:30.570 So the reason I text Kellen when I was there, I said, Kellen, said on the flyer So I listened to a bunch of prep schools that were here and I listed a bunch of colleges, like Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Quinnipiac, Holy Cross. So I said, Holy Cross. I know a coach from Holy Cross. So I texted Kellen Jones. And I said, Kellen, I said, are anybody from your school up here? 00:11:30.570 --> 00:11:35.930 I said, or is it just a thing that they put on the website? You know what I mean? So he just got back 00:11:35.930 --> 00:11:36.250 to me. 00:11:36.250 --> 00:11:52.670 He says, let me check with our guys. And he says he just wrote me, he goes, I've not heard about that. He goes, but our assistant, not gonna say his name, is close with their assistant. So maybe they so he said, it's possible. Oh, okay. 00:11:52.670 --> 00:11:57.550 So maybe somebody from Holy is here. Wow. Interesting. Right? 00:11:57.950 --> 00:12:04.625 Yeah. Hopefully that they're not You literally just come back to me real time. Oh, really? Nice. Alright. 00:12:04.865 --> 00:12:07.585 Just wrote me back. I just read that as it was coming through. 00:12:07.825 --> 00:12:08.945 Hot off the wire. 00:12:09.185 --> 00:12:17.665 Because I honestly, Scott, I wasn't sure. I thought maybe it was like a marketing ploy like, oh, yeah. All these prep schools and all these yeah. I've been to things like that before. You know what I mean? 00:12:17.665 --> 00:12:20.330 Like, years ago. Yeah. Well, 00:12:21.050 --> 00:12:27.850 I don't know. Anyway, Dom's birth year is clearly closer to college now than they were a couple years ago. So and high school, obviously. 00:12:28.010 --> 00:12:37.215 He's the youngest one here. There's only a handful of twelves. It's mostly elevens. Yeah. So there's elevens and twelves on on Dom and the other team. 00:12:37.215 --> 00:12:42.255 And then the other session are tens through o six. 00:12:42.255 --> 00:12:47.535 Wait. Let me but let's back up for a second. You you could just sign up for this? Like, there wasn't any, like, vetting process? 00:12:47.780 --> 00:12:50.020 I I don't think you can just sign up. I don't think 00:12:50.100 --> 00:12:50.500 Then how do 00:12:50.580 --> 00:12:52.580 I don't think this went out to everybody. 00:12:53.700 --> 00:12:55.540 Oh, so you got, like, an invite? 00:12:55.860 --> 00:13:02.580 Yeah. I don't think this was a public maybe it was, maybe I'm wrong, but the talent level on the ice did not seem like it was public. 00:13:03.135 --> 00:13:04.575 Yeah. That's what I was gonna say. 00:13:04.575 --> 00:13:16.600 This did did Dominic said it in the car too. Like, this didn't look like it was like a public invite. Maybe it was, but I can't imagine that it was a public invite. Like, all these high end kids are here. You know what I'm saying? 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:18.680 So you should find out how they they they got you. 00:13:18.680 --> 00:13:20.040 Nobody looked out of place, Scott. 00:13:20.040 --> 00:13:20.280 Right. 00:13:20.280 --> 00:13:33.065 Nobody looked at the place at all. You know? I'll let you know tomorrow when I see, like so tomorrow, there's a meeting of the practice, and then there's a film session for his team, and then they play in the afternoon. They come back in the afternoon. Yeah. 00:13:33.145 --> 00:13:37.785 But again, nobody looked at a place. So What Makes you wonder. 00:13:38.665 --> 00:13:45.240 Yeah. You should you should you should revisit how you even got a got the invite Yeah. Or the email. 00:13:45.240 --> 00:13:46.200 I'm not sure. 00:13:46.360 --> 00:13:47.720 Don't know answer to that. 00:13:48.680 --> 00:13:52.120 Dominic and were talking about on the way over the hotel. I'm not sure. 00:13:52.120 --> 00:13:57.305 Yeah. Alright. Well well Yeah. If you can, share them. It'd be interesting to know how how that 00:13:57.305 --> 00:14:00.905 all came about. Me too. Same. 00:14:00.985 --> 00:14:06.905 Good, dude. Well, listen. Yeah. Before we before we go any further, let's take a moment just to shout out sponsors. 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Oh, okay. Well, good luck with that. 00:17:19.515 --> 00:17:23.195 Don't think I'm not gonna do that. Alright. Especially with a hockey parent. No. Because I know you're 00:17:23.195 --> 00:17:24.955 That's true. You can get a hockey parent on the fly. 00:17:25.420 --> 00:17:32.220 Dude, I I've been looking. Trust me. Apparently, some kid flew in from California for this, by the way. Oh, yeah? Yeah. 00:17:32.460 --> 00:17:33.420 So That 00:17:33.420 --> 00:17:43.405 was a darn exciting thing the locker room. I'm looking forward to hearing more about what what else goes down this weekend and what Dom takes away from it. Hopefully, you know, he's learned a few things while he's there too. I'm sure he is. 00:17:43.405 --> 00:17:49.005 I'm curious. I'm really curious myself. You know? Yeah. It's gonna be it's gonna be it's gonna be interesting. 00:17:49.005 --> 00:17:50.365 I'll let you guys know. I'll definitely 00:17:50.365 --> 00:17:50.605 keep 00:17:50.605 --> 00:17:54.450 you posted. Now, Oman had a tournament this weekend. Right? 00:17:54.450 --> 00:18:18.215 Oh, he did. He played in a tournament. It wasn't it was down it was here in Jersey. He played with a team with a guy, the guy that does, like, skills training here on ice and off ice, put together a team, played in you know, it was like a mixed mixed skill tournament down the Jersey Shore. Most teams have, like, a mix of a I mean, double a and triple a kids. 00:18:19.790 --> 00:18:33.790 And, yeah, they got to the finals and lost, which was annoying. They they were up three one, then it was three two Uh-huh. Then it was four two, four three, four four, five four in overtime. And it was a bummer. 00:18:33.790 --> 00:18:34.270 But Okay. 00:18:34.835 --> 00:18:42.515 You know, it was good to for him to get back out on the ice. He was really glad he did it. He had fun. He played with some some players that he used to be teammates with. 00:18:43.395 --> 00:18:43.795 Right. 00:18:43.795 --> 00:19:09.055 And that was fun for him, you know, and he he had, you know, like, he was he had a pretty good, like, numbers weekend. Not exactly what I was praising with him over the weekend because there was definitely, know, a lot of you know, so frustrating when yeah, don't know. Just like as a parent, you just want you you know your kid can do more, and then you're just not seeing the more on the ice. 00:19:10.015 --> 00:19:10.735 I get it. And then I 00:19:10.735 --> 00:19:33.865 say then I then I start second guessing myself. I'm like, oh, well, maybe maybe I just think he has more, but he doesn't really have more. You know what I mean? It's just like me thinking that he's not like doing his best but, you know, there was moments where it's like, you know, you gotta take away time and space like on the forecheck, you know, like if you're f one, like, gotta get up in that guy's face and it's like, come on guy, come on. Let's let's move those feet a little bit, back check, come on, a little faster, let's go. 00:19:33.865 --> 00:19:42.025 You know, these are things that I'm watching the whole time and then, you know, whatever, he he definitely, you know, he had some good plays, made some good passes, put a few nice pucks in the net. 00:19:42.950 --> 00:19:43.670 Okay. A lot of 00:19:43.670 --> 00:19:44.390 points But, you it's still 00:19:44.630 --> 00:19:48.070 points this weekend. Right? What? He had a lot of points this weekend. 00:19:49.190 --> 00:20:05.725 Yeah. I mean, he did well. I don't know what the exact number, but did you know, that that part stuck out, and so he was happy about that. But, obviously, the, you know, I'm just looking for him to kinda close gaps on things that are, you know, need need need work. So, anyway so now after 00:20:05.725 --> 00:20:08.445 the weekend, he hasn't played a lot of hockey since, you 00:20:09.245 --> 00:20:15.740 know, I don't know, the end of the season. And so he had a tournament this weekend, and now he's on the ice for, a back to back clinic tonight. 00:20:16.220 --> 00:20:16.860 Okay. 00:20:17.260 --> 00:20:19.740 So we'll see. We'll see. 00:20:20.300 --> 00:20:33.095 So we always talk about not doing spring lean teams. Talk to me about about your experience. Would you do it again if you had to? Knowing now knowing now that you went through it, would you be would you sign up for this again? 00:20:34.055 --> 00:20:44.130 If you wanted to. Yeah. And I say that because it wasn't like we were first and foremost, we weren't seeking out this tournament. Right? Like, we got we like, they had reached out to us. 00:20:44.530 --> 00:21:03.615 They were looking for some more players, and they got our name. So I signed Otto up Mhmm. In part because he wanted to do it, in part because he has friends that were, like, doing it also. Mhmm. And it was never meant to be, like, you know, we weren't chasing this, like, high end tournament team to go play high end talent in, like Mhmm. 00:21:03.615 --> 00:21:07.980 You know, Boston or Montreal or, you know, any real far travel. 00:21:07.980 --> 00:21:08.620 Like, a local 00:21:08.620 --> 00:21:35.080 tournament with, like, a mix of kids for him just to go and have fun, you know, and be be with other players, be with, you know, different coaches just for a different experience. You know? It was so not there wasn't anything that were there was you know, we were chasing or so so to that end, it was, like, purely just because he wanted to, and he wanted to have some fun, and it was local, and we didn't have to try, you know, drive far. So if you want to do it again, sure. 00:21:35.080 --> 00:21:36.200 Yeah. No problem with Gotcha. 00:21:37.080 --> 00:21:39.480 Yeah. But if he was also like, it's a pass, then I'd be 00:21:39.480 --> 00:21:43.240 like, okay. You know, it's a pass. That's fine. You know what I mean? Now I get it. 00:21:43.240 --> 00:21:45.400 Yeah. That makes sense. Nice. 00:21:45.400 --> 00:21:45.720 Yeah. 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:58.255 Very nice. So I'm curious. We had somebody asked about somebody wrote it into us and asked about if we could have a conversation about the BRIC series. Wanna have a conversation about the BRIC series now? 00:21:58.670 --> 00:22:01.550 Yeah. We can have a bad idea about Brick series. 00:22:01.550 --> 00:22:16.305 Higher level stuff. So let's hear your art. Well, so we'll give some context. So for those who don't know what the Brick series is, and Scott, you can correct me if I'm wrong here at all. But those of you that don't don't know what the Brick series is, the Brick series is a it's in your squirt years. 00:22:16.305 --> 00:22:18.705 I wanna say in your 10. Right? Does that sound right? 00:22:18.705 --> 00:22:20.945 Yeah. It's your your squirt major year. 00:22:21.185 --> 00:22:29.800 Right. So, you know, so the Brick Series is a tournament that's held in Canada. I wanna say it's in I wanna say Edmonton. 00:22:29.800 --> 00:22:33.480 Is that something? In the mall. It's in the yeah. In the mall in Edmonton. 00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:44.965 Right. So it's in the mall in Edmonton, and it is essentially your it's supposed to be your best squirts. Right? And there's teams there's teams that come from the regions. Right? 00:22:44.965 --> 00:22:53.520 So like, I think Penn's Elite's got one or maybe they're under a different name. Like, I know like the Boston Junior Bruins go, right, if I'm not mistaken. 00:22:55.520 --> 00:23:03.520 There is junior Red Wings. There's breakout there's breakout Alberta. Right. Soda Rangers. Selects. 00:23:03.520 --> 00:23:05.440 Right. BC junior Canucks. 00:23:06.635 --> 00:23:09.675 Right. Are you looking at a website? You look did you punch it out? 00:23:09.675 --> 00:23:17.595 I just I pulled it up. Toronto Bulldogs are there. Saskatchewan Junior Pats. Like, it's a mix of all, like, top end 00:23:18.715 --> 00:23:19.115 Yes. 00:23:19.195 --> 00:23:19.915 Scored majors. 00:23:20.590 --> 00:23:37.065 That's right. So they have the pre BRIC tournaments. They start doing they start, you know, like having tryouts for these teams when the kids are mites. I remember Dominic had tryouts when he was a might, you go through the pre BRIC years. There's a lot of pre brick tournaments. 00:23:37.065 --> 00:23:46.825 Right? So Dominic did like it's funny. We hit it during COVID, so it was kind of difficult. But there was like the Windy City. There was Kings of Vegas. 00:23:47.625 --> 00:23:56.560 There's the one in Boston. I want to see the Boston showdown or whatever, I forgot what it was. But there's always pre brick tournaments. Right? Mhmm. 00:23:57.040 --> 00:24:12.375 You know, and essentially, as you get closer to your score years, they narrow down and they take, call it the top 30 kids, whatever it is. And then and then they take like a team, you know, to go when they're I think first or second year sports. Is it second year sports? That sound right? Yep. 00:24:12.615 --> 00:24:21.960 Right? Yep. So that's your BRIC series, you know, and it's and it's a lot of very high end kids. Right? Dominic made the pre brick team for CJR. 00:24:22.840 --> 00:24:38.985 So we did all the pre brick tournaments. He did not make the the brick the brick 30. He was right outside the the the top 30. And then I think they wound up taking, like, 18 kids to Edmonton. Unfortunately, for Dominic, that, you know, that mid Fairfield twelve team was what he had to compete with. 00:24:38.985 --> 00:24:39.305 Right? 00:24:39.305 --> 00:24:40.105 Right. You know? 00:24:40.105 --> 00:24:53.070 So if he was in his region, it probably would have been a little different. But so Dom got shut out of the of the Brick series, which is fine. Nothing wrong with that. But yeah. So I'm I'm curious to hear so that's kind of some context on Brick. 00:24:53.070 --> 00:24:53.790 I'm curious to hear 00:24:53.790 --> 00:24:56.430 your thoughts on starting soon. For 00:24:56.990 --> 00:24:58.830 that for that particular age. Right. 00:24:59.225 --> 00:25:06.025 Yeah. So this year, last year was the 20 so two years ago was the 2014, last year was the twenty fifteens, and this year is twenty sixteens. 00:25:06.345 --> 00:25:06.825 Right. 00:25:06.825 --> 00:25:23.240 Right? Right. So it actually starts on June 28. And you can if anyone that's interested, you know, or doesn't, you know, know about it, you can go to a brickhockey.ca, and you can actually watch some game. Can watch the games online just to get a see, you know, a look to see what it's all about. 00:25:24.040 --> 00:26:02.025 Right. But look, when when when so auto I auto never I never took him to a brick tryout. And I know people that use brick tryouts just to kind of get a sense to like how their kids stacks up compared to other, like, high end kids of that birth year because you're gonna see them all at tryouts for the most part or for sure. So, you know, some people go there thinking that they have a chance, but then they, you know, they may be delusional. You know, a lot of people, if they're going kinda like your your club teams, like, you you know, before the there's the trials even start if you're gonna be making the team or not. 00:26:04.025 --> 00:26:14.430 But, yeah, you you don't it's not geography defined. So if you know, depending on where you live, you know, there's some kids that if they know they're not gonna make one team, they're gonna go travel, they're gonna try to make another team. Like, there's a local 00:26:14.430 --> 00:26:16.590 kid last year. They certainly do. Yeah. 00:26:16.670 --> 00:26:23.905 Yeah. So Otto played with a kid who didn't make the CJR or, you know, CJR team, but he ended up playing with the junior Bruins. 00:26:23.905 --> 00:26:25.185 Boston. Yeah. 00:26:25.185 --> 00:26:26.065 The Bruins. That's what I 00:26:26.065 --> 00:26:27.985 call him. But, yeah, man. 00:26:27.985 --> 00:26:42.090 I don't know. I, you know, I I didn't a few things, like, about that. Number one, I never thought about using it as a means for, like, to see how auto compares to, like, the other kids. I wasn't gonna just bring them up to a tournament with, like or not tournament. Sorry. 00:26:42.090 --> 00:26:56.145 A tryout. Mhmm. I just didn't see the, like, the value in it personally at the time. But I guess I understand why people do it. And then the other part was, if I really thought he had a chance of making it, I would have considered it. 00:26:56.145 --> 00:27:17.895 But I I didn't I didn't think that that was the case, and I'm sure he would not have made it, which is fine. So I was just like, why even I don't know. I was just we we never we didn't do anything brick, like zero. But I know plenty of kids that did and there weren't many kids. I think 2014, there was only one kid from New Jersey that played 00:27:18.135 --> 00:27:19.015 Okay. Break. 00:27:19.095 --> 00:27:28.695 Or at least played on c on CJR's team. Maybe twenty fourteens, there was kids that played that lived in Jersey that may played for, I don't know, Penn's like, Pittsburgh or 00:27:29.015 --> 00:27:29.415 Right. 00:27:29.495 --> 00:27:30.535 Boston. I'm not sure. 00:27:30.535 --> 00:27:31.175 But Right. 00:27:31.530 --> 00:27:34.410 Yeah. There were no there wasn't a lot of representation from Jersey. 00:27:34.730 --> 00:27:46.825 No. There wasn't. Wanna say on our on our Brick team, I wanna say there was one kid made CJR, maybe two. I wanna say two. I wanna say 00:27:46.825 --> 00:27:46.985 there 00:27:46.985 --> 00:27:59.580 are two Jersey kids. The so it's funny. I don't if you remember. Dominic played Dominic made the CJR pre BRIC team Yes. When he was a mite. 00:27:59.580 --> 00:28:16.635 And it's funny. I'll say this. At the CJR tryout for Brick, the first time we went up there when he was like eight. Right? That was when I first got my first taste of like 00:28:18.795 --> 00:28:20.235 How crazy things are? 00:28:20.635 --> 00:28:22.955 I'll tell you a really wanna hear a fucked up story? 00:28:22.955 --> 00:28:23.515 Yeah. Sure. 00:28:24.140 --> 00:28:30.940 And I'm in the hotel lobby telling this. Hopefully, nobody walks by. Okay. I'm gonna get arrested. It's unbelievable. 00:28:31.820 --> 00:28:43.355 So this is my Brick series story for everybody. Ready? So I hear about the Brick series. Okay? Because a a buddy of mine's kid played for mid Fairfield. 00:28:43.675 --> 00:28:47.515 K? As might. Yeah. It was actually the Bolts. Right? 00:28:47.515 --> 00:28:52.650 The Connecticut Bolts. So they weren't been fair for the x. I think they were too young. 00:28:52.650 --> 00:28:54.330 They were full ice mines. 00:28:54.330 --> 00:28:59.370 I think so. Whatever it is. You know? I when I forgot what it was. But this is like an unbelievable story. 00:28:59.370 --> 00:29:10.325 I cannot believe I'm telling this on this podcast. This is like I can't blame you to say this. Why? So so my buddy goes, he goes, he goes, you should have Dom come up and try out for for for Brick. Okay. 00:29:10.725 --> 00:29:28.370 Fine. So I do. And I remember I pulled him out of school early because we're in Northern Jersey, not far from Connecticut, and I had to go up to Chelsea Pierce, Stanford. K? So I can't want me to tell this. 00:29:29.475 --> 00:29:30.755 Come on. So embarrassing. 00:29:31.235 --> 00:29:46.720 Fucking embarrassing. So so I take down med school, like, call it, like, I don't know, forty five minutes early. K? So I pull him out of school. Scott, he must have been in, like, fourth grade. 00:29:47.040 --> 00:29:56.445 Yeah. I think it was fourth grade because because COVID hit, like, not long after. So May maybe the trials were in, February. That sound right? It was something like that. 00:29:56.445 --> 00:30:03.005 Right? Yeah. And because they were early. So I remember you waited till, like, May to here. Because like you said, it started in, like, June. 00:30:03.005 --> 00:30:05.565 Right? So spring was spring it's spring hockey. 00:30:05.565 --> 00:30:05.965 Yep. 00:30:05.965 --> 00:30:29.085 So so the trials were early. So I I pulled him out of school and I bring him home and we're getting ready to go. Okay? And, like, you know those, like I don't know if it was like a bomb cyclone, but you know those, like, snowstorm, those snow snow squalls that just kinda, like, whip up all of a sudden? Yeah. 00:30:29.565 --> 00:30:42.580 Scott, I I Dom's school was was three minutes from my house. So I grab him, bring him home, grab his hockey bag, change into his base layer. Scott, I look out my back door, and it's a fucking white out. 00:30:43.060 --> 00:30:43.860 Okay. 00:30:44.100 --> 00:30:55.095 A white out. Yeah. So I'm like, holy shit. So I get in the car, and like there's snow everywhere. Like it wasn't supposed to snow. 00:30:55.175 --> 00:31:00.295 Okay. Okay? And there's it's white out. Like just out of nowhere. Right? 00:31:00.455 --> 00:31:15.990 So I'm again, so I'm I'm going from Northern Jersey up to Chelsea Pier Stanford, which is about an hour ish, forty five, fifty five minutes depending on like right? Yeah. On traffic. So I I literally get Dominic there. Okay? 00:31:18.585 --> 00:31:32.985 And I I run up to, like, the table. Scott, we must have had there were girls on the ice that were literally just getting off. Okay. K? Older girls getting off. 00:31:32.985 --> 00:31:34.880 Okay? Like teenage. K? 00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:35.600 Yeah. 00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:46.320 So so I I grabbed his his jersey. I signed it at the check-in table. They gave me his jersey. I'm, like, sweating. Right? 00:31:46.320 --> 00:31:54.045 Because I'm, like, gonna be late for this thing. I and I think they were running like two or three minutes behind. Right? Yeah. So the girls are getting off in the Zamboni. 00:31:54.045 --> 00:32:05.410 She's about to come on. So I get I get Dominic into the into the locker room, and everybody's basically done. Right? Like, they're like tying their skates. So and again, Dom's a mite. 00:32:05.410 --> 00:32:19.345 He's like an eight year old. Right? So I'm like tying a skateboard just trying to get him dressed as quickly as humanly possible. Everybody's leaving and my buddy my buddy's my buddy was there, but my buddy's wife was there. And and her son, they were literally just walking out the door. 00:32:20.225 --> 00:32:34.230 So, like, I was in the car for like an hour. I had to piss like a racehorse. Right? And I'm like trying to get him like dressed. Because I I I couldn't go to the bathroom because I was sitting in traffic, this bomb cyclone, like they had to be like ran out of the house. 00:32:34.230 --> 00:32:41.510 Right? There's like snow everywhere. Everything is slow. I'm driving on like back roads trying to like get to Chelsea Pier Stamford as quickly as humanly possible. Right? 00:32:41.830 --> 00:32:52.585 So I get him I get him I go in the locker room. Get him, like, changed. He gets out. The Zamboni is, like, getting off of the of the ice. Okay? 00:32:52.585 --> 00:33:07.760 So I run out. I think I grabbed, like I I ran out to, like, a water fountain because I was so thirsty. I ran into a water fountain, and then I'm like, I got water, and I'm I'm like, alright. I'm like, now that everybody's out of the locker room, let me go back in to locker room and use the bathroom. Okay. 00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:08.960 You want me so far? 00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:09.760 Yeah. 00:33:09.760 --> 00:33:22.225 K. I can't believe I'm gonna say this on live air. This is unbelievable. So I so I go back toward the locker rooms. 00:33:22.225 --> 00:33:25.425 Concerning me. Like, where are we going with this? 00:33:25.425 --> 00:33:43.980 I'm telling you, I'm getting arrested. I go I I I I go back to the locker rooms. And I open up the door, and I and I I turned to the right. There was a wall there. I turned to the right, and Scott, it was the girls team who just got off the ice. 00:33:45.185 --> 00:33:46.865 You went to their locker room? 00:33:46.865 --> 00:33:48.625 Yes. By accident. 00:33:50.625 --> 00:33:51.585 Stupid. 00:33:52.465 --> 00:33:53.905 I didn't mean to. 00:33:55.025 --> 00:33:57.105 Listen. Why 00:33:57.665 --> 00:34:01.150 So embarrassing. Like, I can't even tell you. So embarrassing. 00:34:01.150 --> 00:34:04.990 It I can't even tell If it if it said girls locker room on the door, you're not gonna go in. 00:34:05.230 --> 00:34:06.670 Anything. It said nothing. Okay. 00:34:07.230 --> 00:34:08.590 So that's not your fault. 00:34:08.670 --> 00:34:15.645 It said nothing. It said nothing. Like, so embarrassing. Beyond embarrassing, dude. Like, I can't even tell you. 00:34:15.805 --> 00:34:17.245 Listen. Like Mistakes happen. 00:34:17.245 --> 00:34:19.725 I I called my buddy. I'm like, I'm getting fucking arrested. 00:34:19.725 --> 00:34:20.605 Oh, give me a break. 00:34:20.605 --> 00:34:25.645 I'm like, dude. I'm like, just went into the wrong lock. I'm like, I'm getting arrested. I'm I'm getting arrested. 00:34:26.390 --> 00:34:29.750 But you didn't, and nothing came of it. So you're fine, clearly. 00:34:29.750 --> 00:34:53.165 Yes. But that that's this is my brick tryout story. And I must say this, this that was the first time, and I'm leave I'm leaving stuff out in the story. But but this is my first time that I remember then coming out of that. Actually, I went and went to the right locker room, and I went to the bathroom, and I came out and I'm watching the kids just do laps around the ice just to warm up. 00:34:53.165 --> 00:35:00.990 Okay. And I and I remember I called my buddy and I'm like, holy shit. I'm like because I'd never seen such a concentration 00:35:01.470 --> 00:35:01.950 Of high end. 00:35:02.030 --> 00:35:04.270 Of high end that age talent 00:35:04.510 --> 00:35:04.910 Yeah. Yeah. 00:35:04.990 --> 00:35:14.085 Until I was up at Chelsea Beer Stanford. And you could see just by the kids doing a lap around the ice that I was like, holy shit. 00:35:14.085 --> 00:35:15.205 This is another level. 00:35:15.445 --> 00:35:20.725 Whole another level. Yeah. It was a Scott was a whole another level. Yeah. You know? 00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:26.160 Listen, if you watch any of the Brick Games, it's a whole another level compared to what you saw all season. I'll tell you that much. 00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:34.000 Yes. Yes. You know, it was a it was a whole another level of talent. You know? Yeah. 00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:40.125 And and and the kids all skated like Dominic did, which was very and some better. It was very It 00:35:40.525 --> 00:35:47.485 was very impressive. Yeah. That's that's certainly one of the differentiators at that age. Yeah. The skating quality. 00:35:47.830 --> 00:35:54.310 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No doubt. That was my that was my my my pre BRIC tryout for CJR. 00:35:54.310 --> 00:36:04.605 He made that so I think we started like said, we started we started, like, working out in, June. You know? Mhmm. The workouts were tremendous. They were ridiculous. 00:36:04.605 --> 00:36:17.550 The level and talent on the ice was fantastic. The drills were fantastic. Most people know Danielle Ward, you know, from the mid fair for the two thousand twelve team. Danielle was running it. I mean, she's a rock star. 00:36:18.030 --> 00:36:26.270 You know? It was very impressive. And then some and and then, unfortunately, then COVID hit. Right? Right. 00:36:26.350 --> 00:36:42.485 And most things shut down. So Dominic and made a Hockey Essentials team that year too, and the Hockey Essentials kinda shut down. They didn't do much. But but I gotta tell you, but but up in Connecticut, they actually they did the rest of the of the of the spring, which was awesome. Oh, wow. 00:36:42.485 --> 00:36:45.740 Yeah. You know? Go ahead. No. No. 00:36:45.740 --> 00:37:03.055 I was just gonna say, and then then you got into really stupid things like like having to wear, like, masks under your under your cage. And then and then I bought Dominic a bubble. And because Dominic had the bubble, they're like, oh, he doesn't have to wear a mask now because he has a bubble. I mean, how stupid? Because the bubble has holes on the bottom of it. 00:37:03.055 --> 00:37:04.095 Yeah. It makes no sense. 00:37:04.255 --> 00:37:16.650 I mean, beyond dumb. But they're like, yeah. Like, so that's how we got around Dom wearing a mask on the ice because he had a bubble on. Because so clearly with the bubble, you didn't transmit it like you if you had a cage, which is one of the stupidest things that we were gonna 00:37:16.650 --> 00:37:17.050 look back 00:37:17.050 --> 00:37:18.330 on and say. Right? Yeah. 00:37:18.330 --> 00:37:18.490 Yeah. 00:37:18.490 --> 00:37:35.445 But but yeah. So so a lot of the pre break tournaments, like Dominica was supposed to go to Vancouver. That one was canceled that year. But Then the following year, we did a lot of the pre break stuff for like Windy City and then Kings in Vegas, and they're a lot of fun. It's not necessary folks. 00:37:35.445 --> 00:37:42.805 You do not need to play BRIC. You do not need to go to BRIC. There's plenty of people that are playing division one hockey and in the NHL that did not play BRIC. 00:37:43.450 --> 00:38:00.795 No doubt. Yeah. But it's it's easy to get swept up in it because it's like the first real, like, milestone, you know, as as artificial of a milestone as it really is. It's, you know, it it signals like who are the top kids at that age group. But like, know, we always talk about at that time. 00:38:00.795 --> 00:38:23.010 Yeah. But it's such a long runway. And so many things can change. And, you know, look, I think that if if it's, you know, you're you have a family that with a kid that like hands down belongs on the team And, like, from a financial standpoint, it's not gonna you know, you're you're not you know, it's in your budget because it's not a cheap trip, you know, and you wanna do it. Like, I'm sure it's a great experience. 00:38:23.010 --> 00:38:42.160 I talked to a family who must have been a couple weekends ago who Otto played with not last year, the year before, and he's a 1535 birth year, and he was playing up with the fourteens. So he was on Otto's team when he was down at Woodbridge. And and the the kid's really good. You know, really good. He was one of the top players on our team. 00:38:42.640 --> 00:38:55.605 And he was, you know, a birth you know, he was a year younger. Right. And he was being, like, like, scouted for brick. And, you know, the family wasn't gonna go. They ended up going. 00:38:55.685 --> 00:39:19.880 But the dad was saying the dad was saying how, you know, it was a really cool experience. But, like, for these young kids, they're just like it like, you could tell, like, there's so many nerves in the locker room. Like, it was like, these are really young kids that are, like, going through, like, a lot of pressure trying to, like and plus, like, the mall. It's like you're playing in a mall where there's, like, all these different levels, and it's like, you know, the the the fans are right on top of 00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:20.200 the ice. 00:39:20.200 --> 00:39:21.320 And Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:23.515 Yeah. So in any event, 00:39:23.515 --> 00:39:23.915 no. I don't 00:39:24.715 --> 00:39:40.700 It's a lot. It's a it's a lot. But look, I I don't think like, I don't think people are foolish for doing it. I just think people that are chasing it because they think it's indicative of how their kid's career is gonna go, I think that that might be foolish. 00:39:41.180 --> 00:39:49.340 You know, it's funny. If I if I had to do everything all over again, I don't think I would have done it. Matter of fact, I know I wouldn't have done it. 00:39:49.340 --> 00:39:49.740 Right? 00:39:51.035 --> 00:39:54.315 Just plugging my my laptop in so I don't die while we're going here. 00:39:54.955 --> 00:40:08.860 Yeah. You you told me that when when Otto was getting when it was like Otto's timing and we were just talking about it, not that I was considering going, but you're like, if I could do it over again, I would have taken all the money I spent on the pre BRIC stuff and just put it into, like, private lessons. 00:40:09.260 --> 00:40:26.715 Yes. So I'll I'll I'll say this. The pre BRIC workouts were legit. Okay? If I could have done the pre brick workouts, especially as Danielle was running them, I would have done that and not given a shit about any of the tournaments. 00:40:26.795 --> 00:40:28.635 Right. You know? Just the training. 00:40:28.715 --> 00:40:42.560 The trick because the training was phenomenal. You know? I don't know if every single team is like that. While I could speak for a CJR, the workouts were phenomenal. And listen, if you make it, awesome. 00:40:42.560 --> 00:40:54.155 You know? You know, if you like traveling, with your family and you don't mind spending the money, have at it. Right? You know, the stuff's not cheap. Know, Vegas is not cheap. 00:40:54.155 --> 00:41:13.615 Vancouver, you know, they're not cheap trips. As long as you have the means to spend, you certainly can and you like, and you but but you probably would be better off, you know, taking that money and going and doing skills. Yeah. That's my feeling. You know? 00:41:13.615 --> 00:41:18.735 Or or or or just do brick and don't do any other spring teams for the rest of the season. Right? And just go to right hand 00:41:18.895 --> 00:41:20.495 Do brick and another spring team? 00:41:20.495 --> 00:41:21.375 No. Do not do any other 00:41:21.375 --> 00:41:23.455 spring teams. You know? But how can you? You can't. 00:41:23.535 --> 00:41:30.720 Really want to do it, you can do it. You know? Like, do one do one spring team. If you're gonna pick one spring team, you could do brick if you really want to. Right? 00:41:30.720 --> 00:41:35.280 If you really want the experience of going to Edmonton and your kid makes the team and he's good enough, have at it. 00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:36.960 Yeah. You know? That that money 00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:41.735 is probably better spent, you know, just training locally. Yeah. That's my guess. I mean 00:41:41.895 --> 00:41:59.480 but, like, I I mean, this is also spoken by, you know, I I didn't Otto wouldn't have made the team, so this is, an easy thing for me to say. And if Otto let's just say, you know, if he was like other kids, like, been talked, you know, recruited or coaches were asking about him, would I my approach have been different? 00:41:59.640 --> 00:42:02.120 I don't know. Probably. Right. 00:42:02.120 --> 00:42:18.755 Probably is to some degree. But at the end of the day, I don't think that whether you go or you don't go, it's it's really it it it's not it's not, like I said before, indicative of how your kid's career is gonna go at all. 00:42:18.835 --> 00:42:37.725 It's definitely not. You don't need there's like I said before, there's plenty of kids that do not play Brick Series, did not go to Pee Wee Quebec that have that are playing in college right now, that are playing in the pros right now. There's plenty of people. It it is it does not mean your kid is not on the right path. Well, I think a lot of people get FOMO That's like 00:42:38.845 --> 00:42:40.845 Pee Wee Quebec too. That's like the next one. 00:42:41.405 --> 00:42:45.005 Yes. I I was smart enough to bag and not do Pee Wee Quebec. 00:42:45.405 --> 00:42:46.925 Yeah. That that was like upon us. 00:42:47.005 --> 00:42:48.365 Not go to any tryouts for that. 00:42:48.650 --> 00:42:57.530 Yeah. On auto Sam. Yeah. Even though, like, Peewee Quebec's a different Peewee Quebec's a different story because it's not just like an elite tournament. Like, they've got different brackets. 00:42:57.530 --> 00:43:01.435 Like, you could they've got double a and they may even have single a for all I know. But 00:43:01.675 --> 00:43:24.740 I'm telling you, Scott, I must have spent, like, I must have spent 12 to $15 on on spring types because, you know, if you remember, Dominic was on two pre break deeps. He was on CJR. He was playing for the Venom, which is like PHC, for those of you who were in the, know, Philly Hockey Club for in our area. It's just unnecessary. I do it over again, I would do a zero or maybe I would pick one. 00:43:24.900 --> 00:43:35.085 And again, the workouts were fantastic, especially CGR's workouts. That was a whole another level. So the workouts I loved, I could do without the tournaments and stuff like that. 00:43:35.085 --> 00:43:36.285 Right. Alright. 00:43:36.285 --> 00:43:43.645 The Well tournaments are unnecessary. But people feel like if they don't do them, they'll be left out. And I think that's not true. 00:43:43.885 --> 00:44:03.085 Well, in probably in most cases, it's not true. Are there some times where it might be true? Sure. But, like, still again, like, kids are so young, there's so much runway of hockey. Like, if it's if it's becoming like a clusterfuck to try to figure it out either between logistics, like, getting on the right team financially, it's like, I don't know, pass? 00:44:03.725 --> 00:44:17.920 Yeah. I mean, listen. Like I said, if you have the finances and you wanna do it and you don't mind blowing money and you like traveling for hockey and you make like a trip with your kid, then you know what? That makes sense to me. Go create some memories while you're doing it. 00:44:18.080 --> 00:44:26.320 You know I mean? Don't really worry about the hockey. Hockey is secondary. Go create some memories with your family and go travel and do that, and hockey is secondary. That's how I look 00:44:26.320 --> 00:44:27.360 at that stuff especially because 00:44:27.680 --> 00:44:40.885 kids are 10 years old. Yeah. It's nothing. It's like again, when you look back at it, I mean, now Dom's going through his second bantam year, I mean, know, mites and squirts, it feels like a lifetime ago. 00:44:41.290 --> 00:44:42.010 Right. 00:44:42.010 --> 00:44:47.610 And it's shit. It's nothing. It means zero. Nobody said like nobody asks you like, oh, like, where did you play when 00:44:47.610 --> 00:44:48.490 you were 10? 00:44:48.650 --> 00:44:56.810 Nobody cares. Yeah. Right? Yep. You know, like like the the showcase we were just at, like, you know, none none of those coaches care where you were when you were 10. 00:44:57.505 --> 00:44:59.505 Right. No. They don't. And I mean, 00:44:59.505 --> 00:45:00.065 that's Right? 00:45:00.065 --> 00:45:01.505 Yeah. A 100%. 00:45:01.585 --> 00:45:01.985 Right? 00:45:01.985 --> 00:45:13.240 100. Yeah. And and speaking of coaches, you want to you you why why don't we switch gears a little bit and why don't you let let everybody know who's joining the pod tonight? 00:45:13.400 --> 00:45:22.440 So this is an exciting one. And this is one that Scott and I have been trying to kind of I don't say rekindle, but revisit, rebook. Yes. 00:45:22.885 --> 00:45:23.285 Yes. 00:45:23.285 --> 00:45:45.980 Right? So we have the one and only Sean Flanagan, assistant coach at Cornell. We for those of you who have been following us for a while, you may recognize Sean Flanagan. We interviewed him when we were up in Lake Placid at the ECAC. It was great. 00:45:46.300 --> 00:46:09.620 It was short because Sean had to get on the ice with Cornell for his team's practice. So we only had about twenty minutes with Sean in Lake Placid. The bummer about that was is that our the mic cable went bad for those of you that remember. So when we interviewed Jason Tapp, we were able to save a little bit of Jason Tapp. We interviewed Connor Jones from Princeton. 00:46:09.620 --> 00:46:14.260 We were able to save a little bit of that. Sean, we were able to save nothing, unfortunately. Yeah. 00:46:14.580 --> 00:46:15.780 It was sucks. Yeah. 00:46:15.780 --> 00:46:30.975 So so we're running Sean back tonight. Sean has been nice enough to to join us after his kids go to bed. And he is nice enough to join us to run his interview back. So we have Sean Flanagan from Cornell tonight. 00:46:31.550 --> 00:46:51.285 Amazing. Yes. And, you know, I was just when when we were revisiting the interview with him in the last time when we had, you know, Ben Sayer on, you know, was like it was like a go tigers. Go tigers. And so I was like, oh, Cornell. 00:46:51.285 --> 00:46:52.405 What's their mascot? 00:46:52.485 --> 00:46:53.445 Big Red? 00:46:54.805 --> 00:46:57.125 So I'm on Cornell's website. 00:46:57.445 --> 00:46:58.085 Okay. 00:46:58.165 --> 00:47:04.820 And the question is, what is Cornell's school mascot? Officially, Cornell does not have a mascot. 00:47:04.820 --> 00:47:06.420 However Red. Whatever that looks like. 00:47:06.580 --> 00:47:14.740 Generations of Cornellians have come to know and love the big red bear as Cornell's unofficial mascot. 00:47:15.785 --> 00:47:20.505 Oh, they do have a bear, don't they? Yeah. That's right. So did they just Yeah. 00:47:20.505 --> 00:47:21.865 They didn't I thought that was interesting. Did 00:47:22.345 --> 00:47:25.385 they just like inherit like a bear? Is that how that worked? 00:47:25.385 --> 00:47:26.345 They don't have an official mascot. 00:47:26.425 --> 00:47:37.120 That one. Anyhow. Because the big the big red when you think about the big red, you know what I honestly think about? I think about, like, a Swedish fish or like a rat. Like, I 00:47:37.120 --> 00:47:37.920 don't think of a bear. 00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:40.720 The Swedish chef, the Muppet. Oh 00:47:41.120 --> 00:47:45.120 my god. That's right. I forgot about him. Yeah. You know, it's funny. 00:47:45.120 --> 00:48:06.680 I'm actually wearing the appropriate hat for for our interview with Sean. So for those of you that don't remember Are those who's in Hobart? So Sean Sean's uncle is the head coach at Hobart and has been there for a very long time. Our buddy, Alec Marsh, episode I don't even remember. 30 no. 00:48:06.680 --> 00:48:25.495 Third 29, whatever it is, is the assistant coach at Hobart. And and Sean, our buddy Sean, is coming on with us shortly, started his coaching career as the assistant coach of Hobart under his uncle, who is still there, who Alec Marsh is coaching under. Yeah. I have an appropriate hat on for tonight. Sean's gonna love that. 00:48:26.535 --> 00:48:30.360 Yeah. That's true. So good good on you. You're always prepared with your attire. 00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:32.280 It wasn't on purpose. I swear. 00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:32.920 Yeah. Right. 00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:34.840 No. It really wasn't. It really wasn't on purpose. 00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:35.240 Just happened 00:48:35.240 --> 00:48:37.880 to throw it on this morning when I was trying to get myself in gear. 00:48:38.120 --> 00:48:41.240 Okay. Well But it worked out. That didn't go so well for you. Maybe you need to change your hat. 00:48:42.245 --> 00:48:46.885 Why? I mean, it's appropriate it's appropriate for our for Indus, so I have to leave it on now. 00:48:47.045 --> 00:48:52.645 No. No. That's fair. And honestly, I think I just got confused about your story about when you were traveling to the 00:48:52.645 --> 00:48:56.965 small My story when I was traveling was my day was a little hectic, let's put it that way. 00:48:57.080 --> 00:49:04.120 Yeah. Anyway, but dude, let's let's kick it over. Let's kick it over to interview and we'll pick it up on the other side. 00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:05.080 Sounds good. 00:49:05.240 --> 00:49:15.915 Alright, my guy. Everyone enjoy the interview. Alright, everybody. Welcome back to another interview here on Crazy Hockey Dads. In today's guest, we've got Sean Flanagan, associate head coach at Cornell University. 00:49:16.395 --> 00:49:46.005 Sean has been there for some time now, think ten years, correct me if I'm wrong. And you've helped build Cornell into one of the top programs in the college hockey landscape. And obviously, you know, widely respected, you know, I think at least you are, Sean, for, you know, like recruiting, player development, you know, things along those lines. So thank you so much for taking time to to sit with us, to talk with us again after, you know, rookie rookie mistake over here not having a backup cable or even knowing that our cable didn't work. I mean, that's even more embarrassing. 00:49:46.245 --> 00:50:04.100 Yes. But nonetheless, for those of you that don't know what I'm talking about, Jamie and I were at the ECAC finals in Lake Placid, had an opportunity to talk with Sean then, and the cable was messed up and the audio stunk and yeah. So in any event, thanks again for taking time to talk with us again, Sean. 00:50:04.420 --> 00:50:05.700 It's my pleasure. 00:50:06.100 --> 00:50:19.685 Awesome, dude. And so listen, so for, you know, just we always like to set the table with guests and just so our audience knows, you know, kinda like who you are, like, you're up to. So if you can just kind of share with the audience, you know, you know, what you're up to over at Cornell. 00:50:20.325 --> 00:51:00.870 Yeah. I mean, right now, the kids have been gone about a month here from school, and it's a little wild thinking, what are we we're the third week in June now, and we're we're almost less than two two months away from them coming back. So summer seems to be flying, and, you know, there's a national camp stuff coming up for USA, and we're at those, been to some USHL camps a little bit, and, you know, we're really just taking care of a lot of things around the office, catching up on some things, having some meetings, and a little bit of planning and whatnot even already for for the upcoming season. So it as much as we we wanna be in season all the time, it you know, summer seems to fly by, but it's pretty important sometimes to to get a little organized on things. 00:51:01.110 --> 00:51:10.795 Oh, I'm I'm sure. And there's so much going on with, like, the recruiting landscape. I could only imagine. But, Craig Oh, yeah. Hear hear you correctly that you've been going to, like, shit, like, you you've been on recruiting trips? 00:51:10.875 --> 00:51:11.035 Or 00:51:11.275 --> 00:51:30.750 Yeah. You know, with our staff, you know, some of our staff have been to a few more than I have, but, you know, a few US USHL camps we've we've gone to, you know, checking on some kids. There's always somewhere to go, somebody to go see. So especially like you mentioned in the landscape now, there's there's more kids, there's more teams that's, you know, the that's that's even bigger than it used to be. 00:51:31.230 --> 00:51:38.905 Yeah. So so you're oh, sorry, James. Just I just want to Yeah. Go ahead. So but just so I'm clear, this this is obviously not for this upcoming season. 00:51:38.905 --> 00:51:42.745 It would be the following year. Right? So it'd be for '27, '28. 00:51:43.145 --> 00:51:44.985 Yeah. And and future. Yeah. 00:51:44.985 --> 00:51:46.425 And future and beyond. 00:51:46.425 --> 00:51:46.825 Got it. 00:51:46.825 --> 00:52:07.180 So, like, that's also interesting. I didn't even think about that, James, and I know we'll get back to your question, but, like, for as foolish as this might sound, like when I think, when I talk to coaches and like, yeah, we're, you know, recruiting, I'm always just thinking you're recruiting, you know, like, just the next season, right, like that's what's coming up next, but clearly you're wow. Yeah, it does, there's no shortage of things for you to do. 00:52:07.735 --> 00:52:19.015 No. No. Especially for us, you know, in the Ivy schools where we're we're we're looking for the hockey player. Right? Don't get me wrong, but that that those players gotta come with a certain set of grades on their transcript for us. 00:52:19.015 --> 00:52:28.490 And the sooner we we know whether they're gonna be a student or not, it helps us keep track of them down through junior and senior year, and obviously future into junior hockey and whatnot. 00:52:29.530 --> 00:52:55.260 Scott and I were just talking about that, Sean, we were just talking about the Ivies and how you guys, like you just said, you don't just have to recruit a hockey player, you have to recruit a student too, like a good student, somebody that's willing to, you know, to take on some of those academics. We were kind of joking about Gavin McKenna taking a fly tying course at Penn State. Right? Just kind of like tin passing. You know, I'm assuming you guys don't have fly tying at Cornell. 00:52:55.260 --> 00:53:00.540 I haven't found that one yet. No. I'd try and teach it if I could, but 00:53:00.540 --> 00:53:00.940 no, I 00:53:00.940 --> 00:53:01.260 haven't found 00:53:01.260 --> 00:53:01.900 that one. 00:53:01.980 --> 00:53:03.260 That's right. You a fisherman? 00:53:03.500 --> 00:53:04.620 I like to. Yeah. 00:53:04.620 --> 00:53:05.820 Oh, nice. Good for you. 00:53:06.135 --> 00:53:07.975 See, so you could start that class up. 00:53:08.855 --> 00:53:09.495 Should. 00:53:09.655 --> 00:53:13.335 I'm not sure the academic committee will want to actually put that in the curriculum. 00:53:13.335 --> 00:53:15.655 No, that probably will apply. Right. 00:53:16.455 --> 00:53:17.175 No pun I 00:53:17.575 --> 00:53:35.190 have a quick yeah, exactly. I have was good, Scott. Have a a quick interesting kind of like thing that I've noticed about you Cornell boys. So what exactly is it about Cornell? Because if I'm not mistaken, Ben Sayer did ten years there too. 00:53:35.270 --> 00:53:44.395 And I'm pretty sure that you're going on, like, your eleventh season there at Cornell. Is it something in the water up there that you guys just do long stints at Cornell, or is it so good you just don't wanna leave? 00:53:44.715 --> 00:54:04.015 I think you just kinda hit it at the the last few words you said. It's a great place to be. Like, we're, you know, Benny came from building Quinnipiac. He came to Cornell and kept it rolling here, I got to learn a lot, a ton from him, you know, day to day over the eight years we were together. And I think he was here maybe thirteen, even more than I've been here now. 00:54:04.015 --> 00:54:20.120 And, you know, some of what what we've had our success the last few years here is is still you know, his fingerprints is still all over it. You know? But it is it's a great place. Like, you know, our kids come to they wanna play hockey at Cornell. They wanna play at Liner Rink. 00:54:20.120 --> 00:54:48.280 It's loud. It's it's incredible. Every Friday, Saturday, we're home, and it's just got a huge tradition throughout the years. And, obviously, the school speaks for itself, but the the hockey tradition and being able to recruit the the high end hockey player, you know, whether or draft picks or, you know, Sam Walensky type that, you know, we were fortunate to have, and Benny was a big part of that. And it's it attracts hockey players, but it also attracts students. 00:54:48.280 --> 00:55:06.405 And when you get those two things together, they're easy to coach. Right. You know, they're they're motivated. We're not having to tell kids what to do six, seven different times, given one or two directions and guidelines. And the ones that are motivated, they take care of it. 00:55:06.405 --> 00:55:27.455 And those are the guys that had success on the ice or the guys that had success off the ice. And and where you say it's it's all so nice, you don't wanna leave it because once you get going, you know, it works. And, obviously, Shaif was here thirty years and then some, you know, it works. Right? And kids are attracted to that. 00:55:27.535 --> 00:55:41.560 And, you know, there's a lot of other places that, you know, are great, but for what we have here, it's it's the player, the kid, the family that chooses to come here. It's it's it's a great combination, you know, unbelievable fit, and it's just fun to coach. 00:55:42.120 --> 00:55:56.195 Right. You know, we were we were talking before. Boy, my short term memory is not firing right now. We were I don't know if we were recording or not. I think we've only been recording for five minutes, but in any event, we're or if you were even on the line at this yet, but we're talking about Are 00:55:56.195 --> 00:55:57.795 you gonna ask what I think you're gonna ask? 00:55:57.955 --> 00:56:17.410 No, probably not. Okay. Maybe. I don't know. But just like, you know, Cornell having won so many ECAC championships, like, over the years, You know, in terms of, like, why you know, like, I get it how some schools are just, like, perhaps more, like, athletically inclined, if you will, or just have, a bigger part of that fabric. 00:56:17.835 --> 00:56:29.515 But, like, are there any things in particular that you would kind of, like, call out that Cornell's got going for in terms of, like, hockey or maybe athletics broadly as to why you've just been, like, you know, one of the more dominant schools in the ECAC? 00:56:31.290 --> 00:56:36.330 Do. Like, it's it's the rink. It's the atmosphere. I mean, it is incredible. Like Yeah. 00:56:36.330 --> 00:56:46.525 So and I went to Saint Lawrence. Right? And Yeah. Played here four four times in my college career and still remember it as a player. It was awesome Wow. 00:56:46.525 --> 00:57:13.255 Playing here. Even though you go in an opposing team's rink and sometimes you hate it, and it sucks, or it's hard, but you always enjoy it. You know it's gonna be hard. It'll be a battle, but it was always fun to play here. And we even hear that, you know, in recruiting and stuff, and that's why why kids are here when they come on visits and they well, they see the Harvard game or any home game that's you know, they've been in other visits, but they they, you I wanna play in front of that. 00:57:13.255 --> 00:57:26.295 And that's that's that's what we got. I mean, you can't can't beat that. And I think just a tradition that speaks for itself, just the the variety of different players that come through here. And throughout the years, there's you know, we we always show the ability to win. 00:57:26.950 --> 00:57:40.175 Yeah. Wow. Have a question off of that, Sean. So number one, what's with the newspapers in the stands and what is a Big Red? Scott and I were talking before you got on. 00:57:40.175 --> 00:57:42.655 Yeah. No mascot. Where'd the bear come from? 00:57:43.455 --> 00:58:02.920 The well, Touchdown the Bear has been retie the Bear logo. Touchdown the Bear's mascot's still around, but the our the logo isn't really there anymore with the bear, but Right. That's just that was just there. That was kinda touched down the the football logo throughout I don't know when that started, honestly. Gotcha. 00:58:02.920 --> 00:58:13.305 The newspapers, I I don't know even know the exact year. That started that's probably bad on me, but I they did it when I was a player. They still do it. It's just a little bit of data. They don't fans don't care. 00:58:13.305 --> 00:58:19.465 It's the line of faithful. They care about us, and then, you know, they still do it. And it's funny. I get one of rings people ask, hey. They still do it. 00:58:19.465 --> 00:58:21.930 I'm like, yeah. They still do it. I never stopped. 00:58:21.930 --> 00:58:23.770 About the newspapers to our listeners. 00:58:23.770 --> 00:58:24.330 Gonna ask. 00:58:24.890 --> 00:58:27.210 I don't think Scott knows what it is. I definitely don't. 00:58:27.210 --> 00:58:47.640 So whenever whenever the, you know, opposing team is standing at the goal line getting ready to announce the starting lineup. The whole rink pulls out newspapers and, you know, shakes the newspapers. And then when they're done, they act like they act like they're reading them, and they chuck them on the ice. And our rent crew's gotta pick them all 00:58:47.640 --> 00:58:50.200 up. That's so funny. 00:58:50.680 --> 00:58:53.240 Like you said, it's a it's a very impressive environment. 00:58:53.240 --> 00:58:54.040 That's what I They 00:58:54.600 --> 00:59:07.675 did it at the ECAC when so, Sean, I was at the ECAC two years ago when you guys beat St. Lawrence in the final. And that's the first time I noticed the newspaper, Scott, because the fans brought them to Lake Placid. 00:59:07.835 --> 00:59:08.475 Oh, was that's 00:59:08.635 --> 00:59:13.355 really crap. I'm like, what is the deal with this? Then I looked it up and that's exactly what I found out. Please subscribe. 00:59:14.140 --> 00:59:15.180 That is so funny. 00:59:15.180 --> 00:59:17.340 It's the line of faithful. Impressive. 00:59:18.060 --> 00:59:46.270 Very impressive. So so sorry. So Cornell, you know, obviously had a tough end to this season, you know, but obviously looking forward to you guys coming back strong. Wanted to before we talk more about that, just to kind of dive into your playing career. You know, like, obviously, this is Crazy Hockey Dads, and so it's always interesting to hear what it was like for people that achieved high you know, a success in in the game of ice hockey, like, what it was like for them as a kid. 00:59:46.430 --> 00:59:57.470 You know, you're you've gone on to coach and, you know, it'd just be interesting to hear more about, like, what it was like for you to to go through it either, you know, with tough coaches, coach's parent, you know, or tough parents and any of the above. 00:59:58.735 --> 01:00:19.700 Yeah. No. And it it's funny recalling, you know, our the the time we did this before up in Lake Placid, and and I was saying we were gonna talk about it again. And I'm just recalling everything I said because it's a neat question to be able to answer because, like, it makes you think back. Right? 01:00:19.700 --> 01:00:33.845 And that's kinda what I think hockey's all about. It's through family. You know, my my dad was coached me and my brother on our teams, and my buddy's dad's coached us. I grew up in a small town in Canton, New York right where Saint Lawrence is. You know? 01:00:33.845 --> 01:00:52.630 I had an uncle that coached the men's team at Saint Lawrence as an assistant, took over the women's team, p PJ. And, you know, my other uncle Mark Taylor is still the head coach at Hobart. I saw your hat right there. I love it. And, certainly, what he's he's doing and is incredible, and I can't believe they didn't get that fourth one this year. 01:00:52.630 --> 01:00:53.190 Was there. 01:00:53.270 --> 01:00:55.135 Was there. Sean, I was there. 01:00:55.135 --> 01:01:03.295 I was there, and my other buddy who used to coach for him told me I was the reason, because it was the only one I've been able to make, and they lost, Oh, so 01:01:03.855 --> 01:01:05.455 Oh, you were there too? I didn't realize that. I went 01:01:05.455 --> 01:01:05.855 ahead had a drink 01:01:05.855 --> 01:01:06.175 with him. 01:01:06.175 --> 01:01:15.890 Yeah. So I guess I gotta not go next year when he when he does make it again. So Yeah. Yeah. But, anyway, like, I, you know, grew up in the hockey family. 01:01:15.890 --> 01:01:40.410 We just you know, where I was from, was a small town. We played hockey together, played, you know, lacrosse together, every sport imaginable together, and we're just just young athletes in in our town. And, you know, it was just fun. You know? And then from there, played high school hockey, went over to play junior b in there before playing for the Cornwall Colts, the CCHL. 01:01:40.970 --> 01:01:59.255 Did three years of that. So twelfth grade my senior year and then two years after, and then went to Saint Lawrence. And, obviously, growing up in that small town, it was really all I knew. Wanted to do that and was fortunate to get the opportunity with Joe and Wellesley and Bobby. Hurley, to be able to do that was was incredible. 01:01:59.255 --> 01:02:14.950 My brother and I got to play together for for a year, be at school together for two and play together, you know, for a year. So I was I was pretty darn cool to be able to do that with him. He was way better. He was an all American, Hobie finalist and and all that. But, you know, it was it was it was incredible to be able to do that. 01:02:15.835 --> 01:02:37.770 Wow. So, I mean, but just as you're, like, describing it, it just seems like the path seemed pretty smooth. Just like, you know, in terms of, like, a small town, there wasn't a lot of, like, maybe, like, outside noise. Perhaps there weren't, like, a lot of different clubs to choose from. You had, you know, parent, you know, family, and that was coaching because so you kinda stuck the path of what was what was right there. 01:02:37.770 --> 01:02:54.265 I'm I'm wondering in terms of, like, you know, the fact that you're, you know, there's hockey and like your family's DNA, like, there a lot of pressure on you kids to like, you know, to practice or do more or achieve like certain things at certain times? Or is just like, you know, day at a time? 01:02:55.080 --> 01:03:06.280 Not just a day at a time. There there was no pressure, not not from an uncle, not even from my dad. And my other one uncle helped coach high school a little bit too. And there was never any pressure. There's certainly guidance. 01:03:06.360 --> 01:03:28.500 No doubt. You know, easy guidance and, recommendations of certain stages of hockey and decisions, but never any pressure to do anything. Never any pressure to do this versus play lacrosse or something like that. Right. I think that's why, you know, there still is a lot of athletes that come up come out of Northern North Country. 01:03:28.500 --> 01:03:45.455 It's smaller, but and it's changed throughout the years. Don't get me wrong. It's very different. But, it's just we played all these sports. We had a little bit of rest here and there from a sport, and I think that's a little bit of what's missing these days is there's a ton of pressure to go twelve months a year, which I think is ridiculous. 01:03:45.855 --> 01:04:02.130 I love hearing kids that are playing different sports once in a while, summer when they're 14, 15, 16, each heck, even even 17. Like I say, there's no pressure. They get get away from the game, and they don't they don't lose the the fun of it. You know? I just think this game's fun. 01:04:02.130 --> 01:04:13.735 You watch the guys, you know, two weeks ago or a week ago, whenever game six was there when, you know, Carolina won. I mean, you guys are playing for the best trophy in sports. They're having the time of their lives. 01:04:13.735 --> 01:04:14.295 Like Right. 01:04:14.295 --> 01:04:22.260 Sure. There's pressure, but, I mean, there's just big kids out there. And the ones that are having the most fun, you watch them, they're they're having the most success. Right. 01:04:22.260 --> 01:04:24.980 Yeah. So it looks like the coach is having the most fun too. 01:04:25.140 --> 01:04:29.060 Yeah. Yeah. When you get a guy like that behind the bench, it's hard not to play. 01:04:29.140 --> 01:04:39.265 100%. Every time they would go to him, like, during, like, you know, when they come back from a commercial and he's got just, the chiseled face and the intense eyes and he's chewing his gum, I'm like, oh my god. This guy is insane. But 01:04:39.505 --> 01:04:45.620 What about how he keeps ripping his shirt off to hold the cup up? I mean, every time I see him on Instagram, he's got his shirt off holding the cup up. 01:04:45.620 --> 01:04:46.900 They're probably precut at this 01:04:46.900 --> 01:04:48.580 time. Maybe. 01:04:48.980 --> 01:05:13.800 Anyway, so I but I wanted to ask like alright. So so there wasn't a ton of pressure. So it sounds like, you know, it was it was just like another day in the life of in a great way. At what point did like was there a point where you realized like your potential or like how far you might be able to take this and like, did you start putting more pressure on yourself to kind of or did you ever, you know, I guess when you were thinking like, going d one or, like, what however it was like for you as you started getting older? 01:05:14.200 --> 01:05:21.000 Yeah. I I think I did put a lot more pressure. I think I put more pressure on myself than my my brother, you know, to compare. And 01:05:22.735 --> 01:05:23.455 I I 01:05:25.215 --> 01:05:40.070 think if I do it again, I I wouldn't put as much pressure on myself personally. I would try to keep a little bit more of the fun, like, hey. You're here because you've enjoyed it so much. It's it's you're 19, you're 20, you're in college. This this should be even more fun. 01:05:40.070 --> 01:06:08.730 And I think I put a little bit too much pressure on myself, and I went through some injury stuff too, which I didn't probably handle the the right way looking back on it. But it's funny you asked that question because I I know I put too much personal pressure and shouldn't have been there. Should've just kept kept going and enjoying every every day and working hard at it, not really caring about the outcome piece of it so much. Right. Nobody did it to me other than myself and probably cared a little bit too much on it. 01:06:11.050 --> 01:06:28.335 I'm curious, Sean. So with that being said, when you talk to kids, what do you say to the kids you're recruiting who you notice that are putting a ton of pressure on themselves? What do you say to those kids that you notice that they're putting a truckload of pressure on themselves? 01:06:28.335 --> 01:06:49.435 Yeah. And try to bring it up and say, this is supposed to be fun. I tell them our best players, even the best players that I've been able to coach in college are are the ones that did have the most fun Monday to Thursday that had the most fun in the gym, worked the hardest, and still left with a smile even on bad days. You know? Made jokes about themselves like, boy, am I having a I'm having a bad day out here today. 01:06:49.435 --> 01:06:53.835 I'm like, yeah. But just stay with it. You know? Right. You know, you're into it. 01:06:53.835 --> 01:07:10.020 You just have a rough go. But, you know, those are the guys that can, you know, just recover from from a mistake. Right? You use that the what's that? Ted Lasso. 01:07:10.020 --> 01:07:11.540 Right? Goldfish. Like, Jones. 01:07:11.540 --> 01:07:11.780 Yeah. Yeah. 01:07:13.935 --> 01:07:34.740 Forget it quickly. It's so corny, but it's true. If you're going to dwell on things, you're not going to recover at all. I think that's something we talk about to kids is even if they're young kids visiting or if they're out of high school and they're visiting, our guys have the most fun here, and they have the most fun when they leave. So 01:07:35.700 --> 01:07:41.460 Yeah. What do you guys do to keep it that way? As a coaching staff, are there things that you guys do to kinda keep it that way? 01:07:41.700 --> 01:08:07.210 Yeah. I mean, we we start our year with, you know, a real close trip, a team trip. Started a weekend to make sure guys are getting to know each other, you know, away from the rink before everything obviously comes together on the ice. Right? But I think we do a lot of culture pieces to it where where guys are able to just, you know, talk, get to know each other because, obviously, they're here to play hockey, and and we're here to win and develop. 01:08:07.210 --> 01:08:38.110 But the best teams I've been around are the guys that are the closest to push each other, hold each other, you know, accountable to do things the right way. Some of that's just it's not hockey related. It's just personality and getting to know each other and who people really are, who they are and why they maybe are, what they do and how they are, what they're made of, and that sort of thing. And then just getting to know the kids on the team, getting to know the team is one of the biggest parts of it. 01:08:39.545 --> 01:09:05.360 Yeah. So, you know, in terms of, you know, having a like high character kids is obviously like an important piece in all this. I think you alluded to that in the beginning where like, you know, you're obviously getting motivated kids, which doesn't necessarily speak to character character per se. But I'm I'm kind of curious about like the evaluation process, like when you're looking at recruits. Clearly, there's the on ice piece, but then like, you know, a little bit of the off ice piece. 01:09:06.465 --> 01:09:28.110 Like, I'm assuming that there's a good amount of stock that's placed in like, you know, what, you know, from the interviews kind of like when you're talking to potential recruits, like, is this person a good fit, like, an off ice perspective? And what's that like? Like, you know, for players that are going through it? Are you asking, like, direct questions? Is it something that, like, you're just kind of observing and getting a feel while they're on, like, visits? 01:09:29.470 --> 01:09:32.830 Yes. All of the above. All all of it? Yeah. Yeah. 01:09:32.830 --> 01:09:58.740 I mean, you know, we're obviously watching, you know, the on ice evaluation piece. Right? You know, whether they can the things that we feel they need to have to to be a part of our our program from a a hockey standpoint. Right? But I still think some of the biggest deciding factors of things, like some kids can have all the talent and ratings and all that, but I think it all still comes down to the type of kid they are, like just what kind of kid, you know, they they are. 01:09:58.740 --> 01:10:21.020 Like, what are they made of? And you're really gonna peel back the onion a lot on that sometimes. Sometimes a kid comes across and he's oozing what you're looking for. Right? Other times you got to peel it back a little more, make a few more calls from previous coaches, find people who maybe known them who's a hockey guy or just try to figure it out. 01:10:21.020 --> 01:10:45.755 I think, yes, a visit's huge. The more time you can spend around them, the better. Is there a comfort level? Do they biggest thing is how do they treat their mom or their dad when they're on a visit, who does the talking, who's asking the questions. A lot of that's a big piece of putting it all together. 01:10:46.590 --> 01:10:55.070 I go back to it. It's not all the time the talent piece of it. It's it's it's it's the family piece of it. It's, you know, it's it's the kid piece of it. 01:10:55.310 --> 01:11:10.135 Right. Yeah. And so, like, kind of falling on that same thread, What as far from, like, a parent's perspective or not from a parent's perspective, do you believe that there's any, like, reoccurring misconceptions that, like, parents have about, like, what coaches value? 01:11:12.055 --> 01:11:17.910 Probably. I mean, they probably think it's just points. Yeah. They probably do. I mean, yes, points is a big thing. 01:11:17.910 --> 01:11:38.075 Don't get me wrong. Doesn't tell the whole story, though. It really doesn't. You know? There's certain pieces to a team that need to go into play, and sometimes the most valuable piece of a team that's a winning championship program sometimes isn't always the top point guy, whether it's a forward D or even a goalie. 01:11:38.075 --> 01:11:56.870 It's some guys in between that maybe hold it all together that nobody would have thought would have played on that type of team, but they fit. I I think it just just comes down to that that fit piece too, and I don't think a lot of people, you know, in the stands maybe see that at the times. They see the flashiness. Right? 01:11:56.870 --> 01:11:57.430 But Right. 01:11:58.265 --> 01:12:04.905 Some of that peeling back the onion I call it is finding the right type of kid and the right type of fit for certain programs. 01:12:05.145 --> 01:12:33.765 So I'm curious, going back to what you said about who does the most talking and how they talk to their parent, What are some red flags? And I think we actually touched on this up in Lake Placid. What are the things that you see that parents do on whether the parents are in the stands and you're watching their kid in the stands or parents that come on the recruiting trip, what are some red flags that you've seen that you've seen from some parents of kids that you're recruiting? 01:12:33.925 --> 01:12:57.225 Yeah. I mean, everyone can see the one in the in the stands type type thing, you know? But, it differs a little bit, I guess, with how old the kid is. Is he just say a twenty ten this year after January 1 that comes on your campus or something? As a young kid, he may not talk as much as a parent at times in terms of the question because it's young, right? 01:12:57.225 --> 01:13:19.610 Yeah. The older they get, I think you'd probably like to have the kid do a little bit more of the talking and engaging. But I definitely like when the kid is more engaged in answering certain questions. You know, you can kinda tell when a kid's taking it all in, or you can kinda tell when a kid maybe doesn't like something they're seeing. 01:13:20.410 --> 01:13:20.650 Mhmm. 01:13:20.650 --> 01:13:47.350 But I I definitely don't we don't like when a parent dominates the visit, you know, where it seems like maybe they're the one on the visits. Like, we're recruiting your kid to be here. We want to talk to him. Want to hear what his questions are, and it's refreshing when a parent sometimes steps back or kind of looks at their kid and is like, I'm not answering it. They've asked you. 01:13:48.150 --> 01:14:03.485 It's refreshing. Think parents are a big part of it, and especially for us in the Ivy, it's a family investment no matter where they go. It's an investment piece of it. So the parents are a huge piece of it. It's a family decision to come here. 01:14:03.485 --> 01:14:15.050 They're all a part of it, but certainly, families are together, you get a pretty good feel for things, whether it's maybe the right fit or maybe the wrong fit, but it's something we we really like to do. 01:14:15.610 --> 01:14:20.970 What's, like, the biggest red flag you've seen, Sean, from a parent that you were like, woah? Like 01:14:21.210 --> 01:14:22.010 Like a story? 01:14:22.010 --> 01:14:23.905 Cross off? Yeah. 01:14:23.905 --> 01:14:38.625 When they just start talking negative about other teammates or coaches or other people, like, it's just like, we're we didn't wanna go there, but you went there. This is this is weird, like, that we're here about you, and we don't need to talk about everybody else. 01:14:39.880 --> 01:14:40.600 That's yeah. 01:14:40.600 --> 01:14:41.400 That's actually 01:14:41.640 --> 01:14:42.920 yeah. That was pretty bad. 01:14:43.800 --> 01:14:56.995 Yeah. But so so one of the things that has also come up this weekend is in Jamie, I won't take your story, but in terms of, like, you know, getting getting seen, if you're 01:14:57.155 --> 01:14:58.275 a player, you could tell 01:14:58.275 --> 01:14:58.435 them what 01:14:58.435 --> 01:14:59.235 happened to me. 01:14:59.235 --> 01:14:59.475 You 01:14:59.475 --> 01:15:01.235 could you could tell my story. 01:15:01.235 --> 01:15:25.895 No worries. Well, no. I mean, you whatever is Dominic's had, like, a showcase this weekend where there's, you know, I think there's college and, like, prep school, you know, people there. I don't know, like scouts and whoever else. But but my question is in terms of like being seen at like, you know, various events like, you know, around the country, Is that something that, like, during this time of year, like, Cornell specifically, is are you you're going to showcases? 01:15:25.895 --> 01:15:31.975 And you mentioned the like, a USA showcase, but are you going to other ones that might be put up by, you know, I don't know, private companies or 01:15:32.470 --> 01:15:39.830 We have. Yeah. We have here and there. You know, I think you could probably go somewhere every every weekend if if you wanted to. Right. 01:15:40.310 --> 01:15:48.075 You know? But it is summer. Right? So it's not call it I don't call it real hockey. I mean, you can see kids play. 01:15:48.075 --> 01:15:58.155 You can evaluate evaluate certain things, but nobody's playing on their real team. You know? No one's really playing for a championship or things like that. It might be a tournament. Right? 01:15:58.155 --> 01:16:10.410 But you're not playing with your buddies from September to April. Right? It's it's different. So you can go and identify certain certain players, but it's not again, it's not real hockey. But, yes, we go to certain things. 01:16:10.410 --> 01:16:22.945 You know, people invite us too. We'll go to some here and there, but we don't don't go all over the place. Colleges have their certain prospect camps and invite some kids in. It's a different way of recruiting. We do that too. 01:16:24.225 --> 01:16:31.980 It's just another way, another tool and whatnot to see kids who maybe have interest that you didn't really know of that wanna come to 01:16:31.980 --> 01:16:32.300 your Right. 01:16:32.300 --> 01:16:42.860 You know, your campus for a couple days. Sure. That's nice to do. But certainly, like I say, you know, it's not real hockey, but you can go see you can see kids and identify some kids. 01:16:43.725 --> 01:16:44.445 Right. 01:16:44.445 --> 01:16:55.165 That's interesting, Sean. So so I'll I'll expand upon that a little bit because I wanna I wanna ask you a question about it. So so so Dominic is at I'm in a hotel right now, if you could tell. 01:16:55.245 --> 01:16:55.725 I'm in the 01:16:55.725 --> 01:17:08.330 lobby of a hotel. So we went it's funny. I was telling was kind of joking with Scott earlier. I got we got an email from from like, you know, Sacred Heart, like the pioneer experience of Sacred Heart. Right? 01:17:08.330 --> 01:17:24.265 And I Sean, I swear to God, I thought it was hockey camp. Like, I thought he was gonna be like all there, like all day. And last night I happened to look up like what exactly I paid for and what I was bringing him to. And I'm like, oh shit. I'm like, there's prep school coaches and like a bunch of colleges are here. 01:17:24.265 --> 01:17:33.020 I don't think you guys weren't on the list. But I'm like, oh shit. I'm like, this is like a showcase. So here's my question. So Dominic's in 2012, my son. 01:17:33.100 --> 01:17:52.745 So there's twelves and elevens together. And then there's tens through o sixes. Okay. So my question is, is at what point at what age do you guys actually start paying attention to kids? Obviously, you're I'm assuming you don't go to mic games and go, oh, wow. 01:17:52.745 --> 01:17:57.740 That kid's gonna be really good when he's 16. Right? So at what age do you guys start paying attention? 01:17:58.140 --> 01:18:13.015 Like, right now, probably, we're getting some names of 2,000. You know? We can't talk to them. Right? But the, you know, tag in the system for for the future when that January 1 of grade 10, when they get to fifteens, you really start watching them. 01:18:13.975 --> 01:18:43.024 That's really those are the names we're getting younger than that. No. We don't really pay attention to that. Like I say, barely paying attention to elevens and not watching it, other than they can come to a camp or see them at a camp, but mainly just talking to 20 that are of age from January 1 on starting that. That's the focus now, 10s, 9s, 8s, obviously all the older kids that are in junior hockey. 01:18:43.185 --> 01:18:46.705 So you can talk to kids that are sophomores in high school essentially right now, right? 01:18:46.945 --> 01:18:47.185 That's when 01:18:47.185 --> 01:18:48.145 you can start talking. 01:18:48.705 --> 01:18:54.350 So basically a normal twenty ten on January 1, if they're in tenth grade, you can start talking to them. 01:18:54.350 --> 01:18:57.310 Okay. So that's how it works. Yep. Gotcha. 01:18:57.310 --> 01:19:43.235 That's that's all interesting. So in terms of the your process and like identifying players, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm just thinking through like, you know, obviously each each program, you know, there's in terms of like you have to maybe you don't have to, but what am I trying to say? Like, there's got to be some sense of like pragmatism, like, you know, about who you're going to go after and who you're going to talk to, you know, and if it's gonna vary from school to school, how how like, the names that you're starting to get, like, are they just referrals from people that have been, like, in your network that know the kind of, like, player you're looking for? Like, how does that even, like how do you even start putting, like, you know, certain names on the list? Like like, what boxes are they checking? 01:19:43.235 --> 01:19:43.715 Yeah. 01:19:44.115 --> 01:19:58.480 I mean, you know, with between advisers and things like that, you you do get a lot of names set your way. Hey. This this kid's a real good player. Obviously, most people know the grades that it that it does take to to get into, you know, an Ivy school and and Cornell. You know? 01:19:58.480 --> 01:20:18.800 And for us, it's it's going out the gate. It's going to, you know, do our own work too, right, with with our own eyes, you know, seeing what we see, hearing what we hear, put putting it all together. But definitely, you know, this game's a huge huge part of it is the relationship piece, you know, through through coaches and midget teams, prep teams, junior teams. You know? Hey. 01:20:18.800 --> 01:20:28.720 I think this guy's a great fit. Once you've had a kid maybe come from their program, go to you, have success, you know, another kid does, like, hey. You know? Well, who else you got? Like Right. 01:20:28.800 --> 01:20:47.740 This seems to be working. Right. This is a this is a path that that's worked now for a couple. Like, let's let's keep going back here until something breaks. That that's a huge, huge piece of it because as much as, you know, we're adding coaches, right, to a point, you still can't cover everything with You own just can't. 01:20:47.740 --> 01:21:06.785 The birth years and leagues, no. You can't. So even with the video, it's you see more, but you just you can't cover everything, and you gotta rely on, you know, recommendations and, you know, follow-up. Like I said, a lot of a lot of calls, tons of calls, you know, do whatever you can to see who who might have seen him or who knows the kid, who knows the family. 01:21:06.945 --> 01:21:07.825 Right. Yeah. 01:21:08.420 --> 01:21:23.220 So do you have, like, like, is there, like, any kind of, like, rule of thumb, like, for if if you wanted to, I don't know, recruit six players, do you have, like, an idea, like, how many conversations you need to have to land on six players that are gonna be, like, viable candidates? 01:21:24.315 --> 01:21:28.795 Too many to probably. Many. Like, a ton. Like, a lot. You know, a lot. 01:21:28.795 --> 01:21:42.050 Right? And everyone's got a different process to it of, you know, hey. I see this kid. I've decided real quick we want him, and it all works, grades, finances, you know, the background, you know, calls, research, all that. Sometimes it takes longer. 01:21:42.050 --> 01:22:05.385 Sometimes it starts, it pauses, then it picks up, you know, a year later. I think that's the the the neat thing about hockey is there's just so many different timelines and development paths for kids. I just I don't think it's like any other any other sport. Never coached or recruited another sport, but I I I just don't think it's I don't think it's like any other sports in terms of the recruiting process. It's just a totally different which makes it fun. 01:22:05.385 --> 01:22:10.590 Right? But it's yeah. I really don't even wanna guess how many how many calls or 01:22:10.830 --> 01:22:11.790 That's unbelievable. 01:22:11.870 --> 01:22:24.405 We we gotta make to to, you know, get our class or whoever it ends up being whoever ends up actually coming in, like, it all unfolded. And if you were to go back and rerun it all, you'd be like, holy smokes. That was a lot. 01:22:24.405 --> 01:22:25.365 A large number. 01:22:25.445 --> 01:22:27.205 Yeah. Yeah. 01:22:27.445 --> 01:22:47.540 Do you have one story of like so you have obviously been recruiting for a long time. You've obviously so you started at Hobart and then you kind of, you know, made your way to Cornell. So you've been doing this for a long time. Do you have a story of a kid that you were recruiting that you just didn't think was gonna work out, like, all of a sudden then it did or vice versa? Thought a kid was, a 100% coming and then it kind of fell by the wayside. 01:22:47.540 --> 01:22:48.900 Can you think of anything off top of your head? 01:22:48.975 --> 01:22:54.575 I mean, yeah, I could think of a bunch really that fit into fit into that. 01:22:54.815 --> 01:23:03.150 Or what's the craziest recruiting story that you have? Not to put you on the spot, but No. 01:23:03.150 --> 01:23:15.245 A little bit. Like, there there's so many. I'm trying to think of, like, a good one, a funny one. You know, I I will I will put I'll put one out there. It actually, shockingly enough, it involves Ben. 01:23:15.485 --> 01:23:33.520 Sent me on a trip he sent me on a he sent me on a trip one time to go watch a kid, and the kid wasn't very good, unfortunately. And I joked with him, does he know I'm here? He's like, no, doesn't know you're here. I'm like, okay. I'm like, oh, thank goodness the kid didn't know was here. 01:23:33.520 --> 01:23:44.035 He wasn't good. We avoided knowing you're there. It's one of those that happens. We had gotten a name and all that. We were we were joking that he was mad at me and sent me out somewhere. 01:23:44.035 --> 01:24:02.590 But, you know, the best part of that is the next next kid he he told me to go watch, and it was all him as Sam Malinski. I mean, it was the same trip. He the next place he sent me to go see was to go watch that kid. And, you know, he did the legwork on that, but that transpired pretty well for that kid. 01:24:02.670 --> 01:24:04.510 Yes. Wow. Interesting. 01:24:05.150 --> 01:24:28.940 That's so funny. I can only imagine how many times that happens where, like, both either don't don't meet or or exceed expectations. I bet the and that's also another thing, like, you know, like, from just a recruiting perspective that, like, people are looking for different things or, things that are more important to you might not be as important to the next guy. I mean, obviously, there's a baseline for it all, but the whole process is just wow. It seems tireless and endless, and it's it's unbelievable. 01:24:28.940 --> 01:24:31.180 Just thinking about this makes me really 01:24:31.180 --> 01:24:31.900 And I'm excited 01:24:31.900 --> 01:24:33.820 about for what you guys have to do. 01:24:34.060 --> 01:24:41.315 Yeah. No. And then, you know, you got me thinking Like, there's there's the ones where you're like, oh, I knew that kid was gonna be good, and we got him. Right? And then there's the one where, like, oh, 01:24:41.315 --> 01:24:41.475 I don't 01:24:41.475 --> 01:24:42.355 know if that kid's gonna be good. 01:24:42.355 --> 01:24:48.675 I'm gonna wait and hesitate. And they're like, oh, man. Like, should've all to a stud? It should've went in my gut on that one. You know? 01:24:49.220 --> 01:24:56.420 But the it's legalized gambling. Like, it's Yeah. Don't know. You you know? And that's that's the fun part of it, the chase part of it. 01:24:56.420 --> 01:25:02.900 And, you know, when you get them get them right and the kids succeed, it's incredible. And, you know, that's why why it's a fun job. 01:25:03.315 --> 01:25:22.960 Well, let let me ask, like, this part, like, and and just thinking about how, you know, going, like, flipping over to the NHL for a second, you know, two names, like, had Keandre Miller that came from the Rangers. Right? And, like, ended up winning a cup, you know, became much much more consistent player when he was down in Carolina. Right? You had, who else? 01:25:22.960 --> 01:25:31.575 Taylor Hall, another one that was like getting scratched from from Chicago. You had what? And then also from Chicago. Yeah. And yeah. 01:25:31.575 --> 01:25:38.535 Right. Seth Jones. So, like, you have these players that, like, aren't performing under certain conditions. Right? But then they go to another team. 01:25:38.775 --> 01:25:54.230 Is there anything that, you know, are are you thinking about that as well when you're looking at players kind of like what our systems are and like how that person is gonna fit in those systems? I'm assuming it is, but just curious if, you know, what it's like for you. 01:25:54.390 --> 01:26:00.470 Yeah. 100%. I mean, there there are certain kids you're like, you know, I like this kid, but 01:26:00.470 --> 01:26:03.135 I don't I don't know if he would survive. I don't know 01:26:03.135 --> 01:26:09.615 if he would really fit with us. Right? Right. You know, and they go somewhere else. They have success, which is fine. 01:26:10.015 --> 01:26:21.380 And then, you know, there's some kids that have success with us that people thought, well, how'd how'd you get that out of that kid? I didn't see that coming. It's like, well, he just fit. He's our type of player. He got better. 01:26:21.380 --> 01:26:34.005 He worked. Like, he he fit into the culture piece, and, you know, he worked at it. So it's funny where you mentioned those guys, the pros, the best of the best. You know they're talented. Right? 01:26:34.005 --> 01:26:56.580 But getting in the right environment sometimes to change the scenery just does it for guys. It happens in college and obviously happens in pros and trades and all that all the time, and their cap and the money is so many factors into it. Yes, it was what you're thinking about with those guys is the same as college. That kid that might fit here just doesn't fit there. He didn't fit there and he goes to this place. 01:26:56.580 --> 01:26:58.900 You're like, What happened? Well, he just fit better. 01:26:59.060 --> 01:27:15.155 Yeah. For I'm curious, Sean, what do you think of this new five for five rule? Since we're talking about recruiting and timelines, what do you think of the new five for five rule that's coming out with the NCAA? 01:27:15.710 --> 01:27:26.830 You know, thank goodness they they tweaked it and went back with, like, hockey's proposed. Right? Because I think everyone was in panic mode. Oh, yeah. Because I think it would have crushed crushed hockey if it stayed that way. 01:27:27.550 --> 01:27:45.130 But I think what what we've got now is fine. You know? Know, some late birthday kids may benefit from it depending how they they finalize and tweak it. I don't think you'll see many of the 21 year old freshmen, which which is fine. You know, I think most kids should be going in by 20 and graduating by 23 and 24 anyway. 01:27:45.130 --> 01:27:56.650 Right. So I'm okay with it. I I think we all know it now. We can all plan for it, and I think it's it's the best case scenario for hockey. So moving forward, we're we're happy with it. 01:27:56.650 --> 01:28:17.080 You know? I mean, talking with Casey was a big proponent of this too and making sure we were able to do this, and our commissioner at Doug was a was a huge huge part and doing a ton of background work and and legwork on it too. So the community kinda really got together for this one and pushed it, and thankfully They 01:28:17.320 --> 01:28:18.680 kind of went to war over it. 01:28:18.680 --> 01:28:37.685 Went to war, right? It's something it's a good thing we had enough people that cared to really push forward for it, because I think it's going to help college in general. That's what they all wanted, right? Football, basketball, we know that, and they're getting what they want out of that. We're also keeping our sport on the right trajectory and paths open for kids. 01:28:38.085 --> 01:29:01.975 So I'm curious. So keeping with that same topic, so you used to have the kid who graduated, who maybe did like a reclass here in eighth grade or like a post grad or something like that at a high school. And then went to play, let's say two years of juniors. Okay. So that kid now can't do that because that kid, if he does that, the two years of juniors, he'll only have three years of eligibility in college. 01:29:02.215 --> 01:29:07.175 Right? Yeah. Would you guys take a kid for three years? 01:29:08.215 --> 01:29:20.090 You may. You it's harder, you know, especially at a school like ours to to kinda make up those certain certain classes to do in three. It's been done. It can you guys could do it. Right. 01:29:20.090 --> 01:29:31.745 I think it's just a little harder plan planning wise and whatnot. Mhmm. But I I think now you'll I don't know if you'll see as many kids forcefully repeat. I could be wrong. But 01:29:31.985 --> 01:29:34.225 They'll probably come out of high school a year early and start playing 01:29:34.225 --> 01:30:05.455 juniors They may may get going early to play play juniors early. I think you'll see a few different tweaks there. But for the most part, the normalcy, you can stay as you are and still get your five, or you play two and you get four. Four years is enough for college hockey or even college sports, but the fifth is built in, of course, the injuries or any other random things that can obviously occur and whatnot, but I think it's the best case scenario where everything's at. 01:30:05.695 --> 01:30:17.240 Do you think it hurts the late bloomer? Say you do the two junior years to play four, you obviously have to come out of year early of high school. Do you think the late bloomer is kind of hurt in this 01:30:17.240 --> 01:30:37.035 No. Kind of I think they coulda I don't want to quote it because I'm not writing it. I don't know when they're actually coming out with the fine print, but it could, depending on how they call that nineteenth birthday, like the following academic year. That kid could benefit in the long run. We'll see how they twist the verbiage on that. 01:30:37.195 --> 01:30:37.595 Right. 01:30:37.595 --> 01:30:59.205 But that kid could actually benefit here, but you know, I still think those kids turn out just fine once they catch up at a you know, 19, 20. Like, we've had a ton of them on our team being late birthdays and kind of a little niche we got, but it it it works. But those kids find their way, and I think this rule actually will be okay for that. 01:30:59.765 --> 01:31:01.045 Cool. Awesome. 01:31:02.085 --> 01:31:38.955 Yeah. So so, you know, just speaking about, like, you know, the the change or not not necessarily the change in, like, the development paths, but like just thinking about, like, you know, how families are thinking about their their steps down down the way in terms of like, you know, where you're looking or coming across players in terms of like, you know, kind of those feeding pools. Are there like, you're looking a lot of kids that are playing like junior, like, you're looking a lot of kids that are playing like midgets, like, where where like, kind of where are the different, like, touch points for you in terms of, like, looking for for, like, recruits? 01:31:39.770 --> 01:31:43.370 Yeah. We're it's it's everywhere. You know? Through It's everywhere. Yeah. 01:31:43.370 --> 01:31:54.330 Through you know, we did hockey, prep hockey, you know, all the top junior leagues that we already we're recruiting, you know, USHL, NAHL, you know, obviously, OQ and Dubber now now in play now too. 01:31:54.490 --> 01:31:54.890 It also. 01:31:55.345 --> 01:32:13.160 Yeah. You know, it's just, like I say, we can recruit younger kids because we need transcripts, and some kids, you know, identify early that we know we we're to step up with. You know? And then there's obviously the kids that now you know, some kids do wanna wait longer with a longer runway, which is which is fine. Everyone's different. 01:32:13.160 --> 01:32:39.175 Yeah. You know? So it's it's a lot to cover, but it's again, it's great because there's there's more more players for us selfishly, of course, you know, to be able to work through. But I think at the end of the day, it is it is beneficial where college hockey is getting getting a lot of a lot of really good hockey players, we always did. And we're getting a few more, you know, each year coming from, you know, those leagues, whether US or Canada, their kids are are playing in those leagues now too. 01:32:39.300 --> 01:32:40.260 So Yeah. 01:32:40.420 --> 01:33:23.115 And one of the things that I remember we talked about a little bit, when we were in like Placid, but part of what also struck me just thinking more critically about just like a collegiate hockey experience or sports experience for that matter is that like at some point, like, you've got kids walking in the door that probably are determined that I'm gonna go on to play whatever the next level of hockey is. But then there's gotta be points along people's paths where they're just like, you know what? Actually, maybe that's not what I'm gonna do. What's it like from a coach's perspective to help, you know, like balancing or not balancing necessarily, but like helping kids, you know, like figure out their next steps, like after college and like if someone decides I'm not gonna play hockey after college. Right? 01:33:23.115 --> 01:33:32.315 Like, do you have challenges keeping them motivated during the season if they've, like, the like, you know, it's kinda flipped their switch you know, switches flipped, and they're just like, you know what? I'm I'm not gonna do this for the 01:33:32.315 --> 01:33:33.115 rest of my life. 01:33:34.395 --> 01:34:03.685 No. And and I think that's the neat part about where where we are is the kids stay motivated hockey wise because we're always in the hunt championship wise every year, and we've always had guys that elevate from within from one year to the next. You know? So there's never you know and to a point, maybe certain guys know, alright. You know, I'm probably not I might not be beating these guys out, but they're still involved in our culture, and they know it's a piece to have everybody show up every single day. 01:34:05.060 --> 01:34:33.200 And the other piece to that is they're they're here for their education too and and the best of both worlds. You know, being being here as a student athlete is something that, you know, if hockey's not working out and and professionally after college, then they've been a part of a a program, you know, a winning program, a recognized program. And, you know, you guys know in the workforce too is, you know, if you're part of those programs, you get a little bit of a nod. Right? You're part of these you're a student athlete at a high school and program. 01:34:33.200 --> 01:34:36.800 You made it through and you did all this. Like, it speaks volumes. 01:34:37.840 --> 01:34:57.135 So switching gears a little bit since you have a four year old that's kind of wheeling around the ice these days. So now you're a hockey dad. Right? So not a hockey coach, but also a hockey dad. So, so I know you're not too heavily into it yet because she's still young and your little guys even younger. 01:34:58.015 --> 01:35:14.620 But what would you say are the mistakes that you see, you know, hockey parents, whether it's the mom or the dad, because there's some crazy hockey moms too. What would you say are the major mistakes you see youth parents making these days with their kids? 01:35:15.215 --> 01:35:46.624 Just kind of getting into it, like you said, but just hearing and listening from guys that I've worked at, Benny Deshay, Casey too, both his kids pushed her to go. She wanted to go. We threw her out. She loved it. She likes it. 01:35:47.265 --> 01:35:55.825 There's been days she didn't wanna go, so she didn't force her to go. There's been days she says, I'm going. And then we get ready to go, she says, You're not going. It's like, Okay. But you did say you're going. 01:35:56.070 --> 01:36:01.669 She's like, oh, yeah. I did. So we go. But, you know, we we've I've kinda let her 01:36:02.390 --> 01:36:03.270 Drive to get 01:36:03.750 --> 01:36:43.605 she wishes to a point. You know, if she commits to it, we're gonna we're gonna do it, but we're not forcing her to go do something every single day or or making it like that. It's, you know, letting her have her space and her time with it, and I think that keeps the fun of it. But the burnout piece is is probably the biggest word, and that's probably my fear is I don't wanna burn my kids out of a sport, let alone hockey. That's my biggest fear that I think is occurring, is burnout of kids at a young age of just the pure fun of it where you know, when they put the pressure on or they feel the parental pressure and they don't they don't want to do it anymore. 01:36:44.085 --> 01:36:47.285 It comes to job. Do you come up the two young? 01:36:47.365 --> 01:36:48.085 Oh, sorry. 01:36:48.085 --> 01:36:48.645 Go ahead. 01:36:49.125 --> 01:37:06.565 Yeah. Kids are too young. Yeah. Yeah. There's there's some, you know, like without like any specific stories, but like you hear hear them all the time of like parents that are just going so far above and beyond what is even seeming reasonable just for their kid to get more like and it's usually with high end stuff. 01:37:06.565 --> 01:37:36.410 Right? Like traveling all over the place to get to, like, tournament team or or this tryout or it's just like an unreal. There was there were stories, not story. I mean, there are stories, but it's also real that, you know, here in New Jersey, there we know of at least one player that was like my son's birth year that like they lived in Jersey, but their primary team was in Massachusetts, in Northern Massachusetts. So like they would train they would train at a rink like, you know, however many days a week, do online school. 01:37:36.410 --> 01:37:46.295 And then just like as I don't know, there was, like, fourth and fifth grade, like, traveling to Mass, you know, like, this is not unheard of, you know, and it's just it's wild. 01:37:46.615 --> 01:38:01.710 Yeah. And I guess, like, again, where I grew up, it's a small town and you had a Right. You know? So it's hard for me to imagine that, that's where probably my facial expression wasn't great there. It's hard for me to imagine that. 01:38:01.710 --> 01:38:09.505 Right? It just is. You had fields, you played right there. You had ice, you played right there. You had people coaching, had it right there. 01:38:09.505 --> 01:38:36.090 And I think that's part of the problem in the burnout is you gotta go run here, you gotta run there, you're afraid FOMO, you're afraid you're gonna miss something. And you're not, especially at that age. That's my my biggest fear, like you said, about, you know, what I what do I see is the burnout piece of, you know, forcing a kid to have to go here. And they're like, how are supposed to be a kid when you're going from here to there all the time? Like, you're spending more time in the car than you need. 01:38:36.090 --> 01:38:55.960 And I go back to myself when I was, you know, 17. I spent more time in the car playing too much hockey and kinda two two teams at once. And if I look back now, I would never ever ever do that again. And, you know, let alone with young, you know, ten, eleven, 12 kids are are doing some of that. I just I think it's too much. 01:38:55.960 --> 01:39:05.855 I think they they they need to have fun with it, and I think it takes away the fun. It has to over a certain time. And don't get me wrong. Like, you know, I'm not saying don't work. I'm not saying don't train. 01:39:05.855 --> 01:39:23.810 I'm not saying any of that. You gotta work hard. You gotta put it put in the time and be committed to it, but I I do think sometimes the distances are are are wild and the expense pieces are are getting crazy, and I I just fear it. I fear that it could price people out of the sport. 01:39:24.130 --> 01:39:37.045 For sure. It definitely does. There's no question about it. I hockey has a retention problem, right? Definitely doesn't have a registration problem since registrations are all up, but I definitely has a retention problem. 01:39:37.045 --> 01:40:01.765 I think parents get sick of it. They get sick of the traveling, they get sick of the money, they get sick of everything, they get sick of the stress because there is stress on hockey parents. I know you don't have it yet, Sean, you know, you know, but we've talked to Tapper and Tapper even says, he's like, I know better. He's like, and I feel the stress and same with Connor and Kellen Jones. They've seen it, you know, and their kids are similar age, a little older than your kids. 01:40:01.765 --> 01:40:17.130 You know, you'll see it's coming, Sean. It's you know, and it makes you second guess what you know is right, you know? You know, so it's it's wild is what it is, you know? So. All right. 01:40:17.130 --> 01:40:32.665 So you're a proponent of of playing like I'm curious. Your kids play the season. When the season's over, you're to have them put their bags away and go play baseball or basketball or soccer or whatever it is. They're gonna go do something else for that other season. 01:40:32.985 --> 01:40:38.345 I do envision that. Yes. Especially when they're younger. I I would love them to play play a different sport. Put it away. 01:40:38.345 --> 01:40:44.610 Forget about it. For you know, forget about it, but, like Put it away. Yeah. Hey. Let's let's try something else, be an athlete. 01:40:45.090 --> 01:41:00.945 I know there's studies on that, and it's not everybody. Some of the best have never played another sport, but all the kids are different. I will be a proponent of that. Hey, all right, hockey's done. Let's go to soccer, go to T ball, or do something different, right? 01:41:00.945 --> 01:41:17.649 So you kind of get away and you don't get stuck doing the same thing at a young age forever, and I do think that leads to the burnout. Think it leads to the chronic injury type stuff. Not a doctor at all, but I've been around it enough personally and seen enough that I do feel that's a piece of it. 01:41:18.130 --> 01:41:29.855 Yeah. So I'm curious, how many of the kids on your team, Scott, and then I'll let you take the next one. I'm curious, The kids that are on your roster right now, what percentage of them do you think were multi sport athletes? 01:41:31.775 --> 01:41:37.215 Half for sure. Okay. Yeah. At least Yeah. Yeah. 01:41:38.090 --> 01:41:50.570 That's you a know, I I go back to it too, like, is probably because I played lacrosse and loved it too, but I we've got a bunch of guys on our team that have played lacrosse. Yeah. I love hearing that recruiting process. So 01:41:50.895 --> 01:41:53.375 You like the multi you like the athletes when you guys are 01:41:53.375 --> 01:41:54.895 are looking at a kid. Yeah. 01:41:55.695 --> 01:42:17.810 Yeah. I mean, there's so much value in it. Just the the unfortunate part is is and I don't think anyone ever says I'm not playing another sport because there's no value in it. It's just it also becomes hard because, like, I remember for my son, he was playing in like, would play soccer and he would play other sports. But then, like, as, like, tier one hockey got, like, more demanding, he was, like, less available. 01:42:17.810 --> 01:42:42.270 And, like, at some point, like, the coaches are like, I need your kid to show up to practice. You know what I mean? And obviously, like, duh. But it's just it all gets too serious at such a young age. And you have to, you know, it it was it was really it was really hard for us to figure some other sports that, like, he could keep on doing, like, you know, during, like, obviously, during hockey season. 01:42:42.270 --> 01:42:56.605 Spring's a different story, but it's it's super hard. But I wanted to ask about the burnout piece and just ask if, like, in in the Cornell locker room, like, kids have gotten, like, that far. Do you come across kids that, burnout, like, right in front of your eyes? 01:42:57.005 --> 01:42:58.685 Yeah. You do? 01:42:59.085 --> 01:43:00.365 Yeah. At the collegiate level. 01:43:00.650 --> 01:43:07.530 Yeah. I think does that look like? And, like, what are some of the root causes if, like, there's anything that in particular that stands out? 01:43:07.690 --> 01:43:25.085 No. I just think, you know, yeah, Bernal, like, in the sense that they they they've maybe maxed out. They've gotten, like, their their ability. They care. They work, but they've they've kinda got to a level that they're they're not gonna get better. 01:43:25.085 --> 01:44:00.390 They're not gonna beat those guys out, and there's some guys coming right behind them. They're gonna pass them to a point. And I call that burnout, but it's they got to the point where, like, it's kinda they're they're not at the level they used to be when they were younger. Others kind of caught up and surpassed, and that's maybe a different term than your burnout piece, but the burnout piece for sure does happen when kids are just like, hey. You know, mentally, they can't bring it every day anymore. 01:44:00.390 --> 01:44:11.190 Right? It's become too much for them, and obviously their play suffers because of that. Yep. So there's there's two different forms, I guess, that maybe I'm talking about there. 01:44:11.795 --> 01:44:13.635 A mental check out and then maybe the 01:44:13.635 --> 01:44:24.435 physical one. Yeah. You don't know. The kids don't know. It's tough, but again, I think it's a good place for that. 01:44:24.435 --> 01:44:35.380 Sometimes that does happen, don't get me wrong, doesn't happen a lot. Right. But I've seen it. You know, you get around it long enough, you're gonna see different phases of that. Sure. 01:44:35.780 --> 01:45:14.095 Yeah, because I could imagine just like even going, like, anytime you jump, right from like from one age group to the next age group or the next skill level, that those jumps have got to be like take, you know, like some there's, you know, people are just like, woah, I didn't think it was going be this hard or like, you know, and maybe they're not up for the challenge. You know, I don't know that that happens at the, you know, for your experiences. But yeah, it's it's it's got to be interesting to see and like have to coach through that because obviously you're all making an investment in each other. So it's, like, the mental performance piece, like, part of, like, the programming at Cornell? 01:45:14.735 --> 01:45:44.175 Yeah. I mean, we we talk to our kids a lot. Yeah. You know, individually, you know, how they're doing, how they holding up, like, anything we gotta talk about, whether it's school, whether it's personal, try to check-in to see where everybody's at in that regard as much as possible for sure, because it is a big piece. Mental piece is a huge part of how kids are able to perform, whether they're able to keep their studies up, whether they're able to keep their play up. 01:45:44.655 --> 01:45:51.855 It's a huge piece. All the talent, all the ability to be like, What's going on with this kid? Something's going on. Right. 01:45:52.220 --> 01:45:56.940 Yeah. It's different. When we were kids, that wasn't a thing. Were just told to kind of suck it up. Right? 01:45:57.100 --> 01:46:07.660 It wasn't like a thing. It just wasn't a thing. And now everybody has a mental performance coach. Know? Which is yeah. 01:46:07.660 --> 01:46:11.955 Yeah. So do you guys have one on staff, Sean? Do you guys have, like, a mental performance coach on staff? 01:46:12.275 --> 01:46:39.315 Our our athletics department does. You know, our our players and and any athlete can can use that if if they'd like to for sure. You know? And I do I do think we do a pretty good job of our of touching base with our guys, and and there's certain referrals and things that we've we've had with our guys in the past for that. You know, I I do think a good part of our program is that our guys feel open. 01:46:39.795 --> 01:46:58.200 They know it they should be able to come and talk to us about the hard things, and, certainly, maybe it takes longer for younger guys or certain guys to do that. I do know over the years, I think we really try to emphasize that a lot, that it's all right, we're not perfect. We gotta be able to hear some things and talk through some hard stuff. 01:46:59.125 --> 01:47:06.005 Right. Yeah. So I'm curious, what does a Cornell recruit look like? What checks all the boxes? 01:47:06.085 --> 01:47:22.590 You know, if we're going through the five S's here that I've learned through the years a little bit is hockey sense. You know, for us, you gotta have hockey sense. You know, gotta be able to skate. Spirit piece is huge. Spirit compete, whatever you don't wanna call it. 01:47:23.070 --> 01:47:35.605 You know, skill, gotta be able to certainly make plays to a point. I think the and then the last thing that's always, you know, huge piece is the size. Right? I mean, a guy's bigger, that's great. Love size. 01:47:35.605 --> 01:47:46.990 With, you know, Big Red, everyone thinks we're always huge. Right? But we've we've certainly mixed in our our small guys over the years too that everybody seems to forget about until they look and like, oh, yeah. That guy was pretty small. He was pretty good. 01:47:47.070 --> 01:47:50.190 Topher Scott may have a problem with that last s shot. 01:47:50.190 --> 01:48:00.875 Yep. Yep. And, you know, that's where it it it doesn't matter. Right? Or you look at Logan Stankov in there and and Blake, like, you hear about those guys. 01:48:00.875 --> 01:48:16.490 Right? And, you know, they're dominant. So I think that that last piece is a little bit of an outlier, but, certainly, those guys have have the go. You know, they're they're they got the engines. And I think that's where the spirit piece certainly takes over that, some of that size department. 01:48:16.490 --> 01:48:21.450 But as you know, big big is nice as long as you can skate and think it and make make some plays too. So 01:48:21.755 --> 01:48:23.835 Yeah. You can't teach it, can you? No. 01:48:23.835 --> 01:48:44.600 No. But those guys like Stankoven, it also makes me, like, think of Freddie Lundberg also, who's been a bit of a journeyman in the NHL, but just seeing these, like, smaller guys that are just, like, all over the ice, just covering so much ground, like, not afraid to be physical, mixing it up, just being a, like, a pain in the pain in the ass. It's like, you watch those guys Colin Avery? Damn. They got Yeah. 01:48:46.120 --> 01:48:46.680 Yeah. 01:48:47.240 --> 01:49:07.545 But anyway, so, Sean, we we're getting we're, like, at the hour mark. And, you know, I just wanted to, you know, start wrapping it up because I obviously wanna be respectful of your time and and all that other stuff. But one of the things that I I wanted to do that we did at the the ECAC, although I don't have the same exact questions, we're gonna do some some rapid fire. Yeah. I remember. 01:49:08.080 --> 01:49:09.840 It was good to bring that back. I like that. 01:49:09.840 --> 01:49:12.800 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I wanted I wanted to bring that back. Good We should do it more often actually. 01:49:12.800 --> 01:49:13.999 We should. That's a nice But 01:49:14.640 --> 01:49:22.775 these are these are not the same questions. I don't know what I did with those. Although, I do remember some, I'm just gonna go in a different direction. Alright. So, here we go. 01:49:22.775 --> 01:49:27.255 Lightning round. Alright. So, most overrated youth hockey trend. 01:49:27.975 --> 01:49:32.295 Oh, good one. That's a good one. 01:49:33.575 --> 01:49:36.055 I don't know. Gotta play triple a at eight u. 01:49:36.870 --> 01:49:39.830 Okay. Well done. Well done. That's a good one. 01:49:39.830 --> 01:49:40.710 Good answer. 01:49:40.870 --> 01:49:42.870 Most underrated skill. 01:49:44.070 --> 01:49:45.350 Underrated skill. 01:49:45.350 --> 01:49:48.630 And it doesn't have to be youth hockey, where whatever whatever you think is a yeah. 01:49:50.795 --> 01:49:56.075 Most least underrated skill would be picking a puck off off the wall. 01:49:56.075 --> 01:50:03.115 Off the wall. Alright. Alright. So the hardest building in college to play in that you guys play in? 01:50:04.880 --> 01:50:06.240 You can't say your own. 01:50:07.120 --> 01:50:21.055 No. That's the most fun. Hardest one to go play in. It was pretty hard to play in North Dakota a few years. Okay. 01:50:21.055 --> 01:50:23.535 It was fun, but it it was pretty hard. 01:50:23.535 --> 01:50:27.615 Not easy. Alright. Alright. But then that said, what about favorite road rink? 01:50:34.100 --> 01:50:41.940 In league, it's it's selfishly for us, it's awesome. It's when we play at Harvard, we get so many alums there. It's awesome. 01:50:42.180 --> 01:50:43.860 Oh, that must be great atmosphere. 01:50:43.860 --> 01:50:49.825 That's definitely our, you know, probably my favorite, you know, being here is, we get so many alums there. It's awesome. 01:50:50.465 --> 01:50:55.505 Nice. Alright. Got three more. Best piece of advice for hockey parents? 01:50:57.505 --> 01:50:59.585 Enjoy the process. Let your kids enjoy. 01:51:01.010 --> 01:51:02.370 That perfect answer. 01:51:02.370 --> 01:51:03.570 Be be guidance. 01:51:04.210 --> 01:51:15.090 Yep. Best piece of advice for a 14 year old player. Now you can bump that up. Make it make it like a six some of that like, some of that's on the verge of a of a Being told. Being recruited. 01:51:16.835 --> 01:51:19.075 Don't compare yourself to anybody else. 01:51:19.715 --> 01:51:26.915 Also, that's a great answer too. Okay. If every hockey parent remembered one thing, what should it be? 01:51:30.400 --> 01:51:36.320 Your kids should, when they're done, say they had a great time playing the game. They had fun. 01:51:36.640 --> 01:51:43.485 Yeah. Those are great. Especially the comparison thing. A 100%. I think that hits home hard for me. 01:51:43.485 --> 01:51:46.685 That's a good answer. Yeah. Those are gonna make our Instagram, Sean. 01:51:46.685 --> 01:51:46.925 I'm just 01:51:46.925 --> 01:51:51.005 telling you right now. They're all gonna make our Instagram because they're really good answers. 01:51:51.725 --> 01:51:56.530 Yeah. You know, compares, you know, somebody got a call. I didn't get a call. Who cares? You know? 01:51:56.530 --> 01:52:01.010 Yeah. So Yeah. You're gonna be hit on Instagram, Sean, I can tell already. 01:52:01.010 --> 01:52:02.050 Oh, jeez. 01:52:02.770 --> 01:52:17.985 Alright. What about so we also wanna make sure for anyone that's like interested in getting in touch with, you know, either yourself, the hockey department, Cornell, speaking, you know, whatever makes sense for you, like, where where can people find or reach out reach out to to you? 01:52:18.225 --> 01:52:37.790 Yeah. Our our emails are right on our our hockey website there and we, you know, sometimes have a little lag in email response, not gonna lie about that, but to, we try to get back to everybody that does email us, we got a system, we keep track of kids or, you know, people have emailed and it's probably the easiest, easiest form of contact for sure. 01:52:38.705 --> 01:52:47.425 Perfect. We'll make sure to put up a link in the in the show notes for for the Cornell ice hockey program. James, I don't know. You got anything else for Sean before we wrap this one up? 01:52:47.825 --> 01:53:02.640 I I do. I I didn't want to interrupt Scott's lightning round, but I'm I'm curious. What's the prettiest barn you've ever played in, like, architecturally? Because you you the ECAC has a bunch of them. So I'm and it may doesn't have to be in the ECAC, but I'm just curious to hear your thoughts. 01:53:03.680 --> 01:53:10.695 Yeah. I mean, I'll go back to just my my heartstrings a little bit too. Like, I I love Saint Lawrence. Love Apple City. 01:53:10.695 --> 01:53:12.135 I mean, sick barn. Yeah. 01:53:12.135 --> 01:53:30.250 I grew up, you know, loving that, and I was fortunate to to play there. I think it's it's second to none a bit. Like, I I I love it. Love going back. And, of course, you know, and the other one I'd probably say is, you know, I did think North Dakota's was was pretty sick. 01:53:30.250 --> 01:53:41.565 I mean, totally different in how they have that all set up there, but I thought just you didn't see any of their stuff, don't get me wrong, but just the marble stuff was a little different. 01:53:41.885 --> 01:53:45.805 Yeah, definitely. I thought you were gonna say Yale or Princeton. Okay, gotcha. 01:53:46.285 --> 01:53:54.300 Yeah, I went out of league. Mean, I love those barns too. I picked my St. Lawrence for the old traditional one a little Just point 01:53:54.300 --> 01:53:55.180 building, yeah. 01:53:55.180 --> 01:54:07.305 Yeah, I think we are really blessed with some of our, all of our rinks really in our league, the E. A. L. And Hockey. I mean, just even the names of them are are incredible. 01:54:07.465 --> 01:54:16.425 I I think a lot of non conference teams that come out to play are a little bit blown away too by by our rinks and how they they're different, but, like, they're they're hockey rinks. 01:54:16.790 --> 01:54:23.830 Oh, yeah. They're like and they're like then they're like architectural, like, wonders too. They're impressive. Very impressive. Yeah. 01:54:24.790 --> 01:54:32.285 Stuff, Sean. Well, listen, thanks so much for joining us again. Really appreciate it. All the best to you in the off season. Make the city here all set for next season. 01:54:32.285 --> 01:54:40.205 Definitely looking forward to catching a game. That's for sure. We gotta make a trip up to Cornell because I'm sold on going to see see a game there. I need a newspaper. I need all of 01:54:40.205 --> 01:54:40.685 it. 01:54:42.285 --> 01:54:44.280 You got it. You show up. You'll get one. 01:54:44.280 --> 01:54:45.000 Alright. I 01:54:45.000 --> 01:54:46.520 love it. Awesome. Thank you, Sean. 01:54:46.520 --> 01:54:48.920 I appreciate it. Us know anytime. Alright. 01:54:48.920 --> 01:54:49.640 Thanks for We're rest 01:54:49.720 --> 01:54:51.000 gonna take you up on that too. 01:54:51.080 --> 01:54:51.880 You bet. 01:54:51.880 --> 01:55:00.795 Alright. Have a good night, Take care. Appreciate it, buddy. Everybody. Welcome back from the interview with Sean Flanagan, assistant coach at Cornell. 01:55:00.875 --> 01:55:03.275 Dude, love hearing from these college guys. 01:55:03.355 --> 01:55:10.155 Yeah. Sean's great. I'm sorry that it didn't work out in the first time, but this gave us more time with him. So I'm happy it worked out. 01:55:10.460 --> 01:55:13.420 Yeah. No. Yeah. Silver lining. Silver lining in that one. 01:55:13.420 --> 01:55:32.435 But Yeah. Especially, you know, with these Ivy schools, it's also a different, you know, perspective because just the academic piece is so like, you know, it's it's such a part of that experience also. Right. Like they're not taking kids that are not interested in doing well in school either. Right. 01:55:32.435 --> 01:55:36.595 These are all lead hockey players that also want to be elite students. 01:55:36.810 --> 01:55:39.050 They want to be most part become students. Yeah. 01:55:39.050 --> 01:55:40.170 Yeah. Yeah. No. They know 01:55:40.170 --> 01:55:41.450 what they're getting themselves into. 01:55:41.530 --> 01:55:53.355 No, for sure. But as to, you know, it's but think about that. Like, think about kids that go on from, you know, these these IVs. And I'm not saying IVs are the only ones where it's like this. I'm just whatever. 01:55:53.355 --> 01:56:26.645 We just had, you know, our interview with an with an IV. But it just like how, you know, any kid that excels in both school and sports and they're playing high level sports, you know, just like hats off to them because, you know, they're certainly taking their hockey careers almost as seriously as possible while simultaneously having a second job. You know, and I'm sure there's plenty of athletes out there that, you know, don't have as rigorous of a workload. And, you know, there's a spectrum for sure. But just anyone that that's able to crush it on both ends, like, wow. 01:56:26.645 --> 01:56:27.125 Right? 01:56:27.365 --> 01:56:34.690 Are you trying to say that Gavin McKenna tying flies for fishing at Penn State is not like rigorous academics? 01:56:34.690 --> 01:56:37.890 Yeah. I would definitely say that. I I wouldn't even Is 01:56:37.890 --> 01:56:38.770 that what you're trying to tell me? 01:56:38.770 --> 01:56:40.370 I'm not even hesitating on that. 01:56:40.610 --> 01:56:45.490 So you're saying that the fly fishing class at Penn State is not like a legit academic course? 01:56:45.585 --> 01:56:46.065 You tell me 01:56:46.065 --> 01:56:50.625 you don't have fly. You don't think they don't have fly tying in Cornell? 01:56:51.025 --> 01:56:58.785 No, I don't. I actually have a really good agricultural school up there. Like, for real, it's like legit. 01:56:59.070 --> 01:56:59.950 Is that right? 01:56:59.950 --> 01:57:01.709 It might be one of the top in the country. 01:57:01.870 --> 01:57:07.550 At Cornell? Yeah. I mean, it's kind of around farm y type areas. That doesn't surprise me. 01:57:07.550 --> 01:57:15.070 Yeah. Should I actually I take that back. I have no idea how high up the ladder their agricultural school is, but my understanding is that it is quite good. 01:57:15.925 --> 01:57:18.485 Interesting. I did not know this. How did you know that? 01:57:19.765 --> 01:57:20.565 My mother-in-law 01:57:20.565 --> 01:57:21.925 next time we have them on. 01:57:22.085 --> 01:57:36.560 Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. My mother-in-law grew up on a dairy farm not far from where you are right now up in Connecticut. And one of the one of the farming families has been around there for a long time. 01:57:36.560 --> 01:57:59.165 Their kids went on to went on to agricultural school at Cornell. And so they've gone on to do a lot of really nice things like in the area, like they have like a restaurant that, know, and they've got other farm stands. They have a lot of property. Like, they're just doing some really cool stuff. Yeah, just that's my understanding. 01:57:59.810 --> 01:58:00.610 Very cool. 01:58:00.690 --> 01:58:04.770 Yeah. It's awesome. Jones Family Farm, I think it's called in Shelton, Connecticut. 01:58:05.410 --> 01:58:08.930 Okay. Got it. Jones Family Farm. Okay. Nice. 01:58:08.930 --> 01:58:17.195 I like it. What do they produce? Do they make like with like milk for like ice cream? Like, what are we talking here? 01:58:17.195 --> 01:58:27.275 Oh, good. Good. Mostly, I don't think they have dairy. They just, you know, like they have apple orchards and strawberries, blueberries. 01:58:28.060 --> 01:58:28.380 So they 01:58:28.380 --> 01:58:29.660 have like apple vegetables. 01:58:29.660 --> 01:58:32.460 Peach picking in the season, that type of stuff. 01:58:32.540 --> 01:58:40.940 Yeah. Yeah, exactly. They'll have the apple picking, strawberry picking. They also think they might even have like a Christmas tree farm. 01:58:42.125 --> 01:58:51.165 Oh. If I'm not mistaken. Guys take the family up there for like the seasons like apple picking and peach pick. I think peaches are in the August. Apples 01:58:51.165 --> 01:58:51.885 are summer fruit. 01:58:51.885 --> 01:58:53.165 Fall. Right? 01:58:53.325 --> 01:59:10.015 Yeah. But no, we don't we don't necessarily go up there specifically for apple picking. We go up there to visit my my mother in law's my my wife's uncle, my mother in law's mother. So we go up there just to, go to the farm and, the kids can go see the cows. And, you know, it's a different experience. 01:59:10.015 --> 01:59:21.240 Right? He's got like a lot of acres, over a 100 acres bailing hay. He's got, you know, he's a trucker also. So he's got like his, you know, his rig and like the barn and, you know, it's like, it's cool. It's different. 01:59:21.240 --> 01:59:22.200 Interesting. That's gonna 01:59:22.200 --> 01:59:23.240 be a tough business. 01:59:24.040 --> 01:59:25.640 Yeah. Dude works hard, man. 01:59:25.960 --> 01:59:29.160 I'm sure. Super hard. Yeah. I'm sure he does. Oh, got it. 01:59:29.160 --> 01:59:44.665 That doesn't surprise me at all. I mean, yes. Yeah. Reason I was asking about about does he is it a dairy farm? Because I I thought it was pretty funny that I that I found the the ice cream chicken leg at Yankee Stadium. 01:59:44.665 --> 01:59:47.705 Oh, yeah. You did. Yeah. Then it wasn't good for 01:59:47.705 --> 01:59:48.505 you send that picture. 01:59:49.190 --> 01:59:56.310 I did. I figured I had to, you know, because you kept breaking my chops about the chicken bucket. See, it's like a mini chicken bucket. I mean, I 01:59:56.310 --> 01:59:58.870 saw and I knew exactly what I was looking at when you sent 01:59:58.870 --> 02:00:01.510 it You me. Did was see? See? 02:00:01.750 --> 02:00:11.405 If even if we had never talked about chicken ice cream as much as we did, that was the first thought, that's fried chicken. 02:00:11.405 --> 02:00:24.760 So I obviously had the chicken bucket at Yankee Stadium. So I missed it the first time, and it was the exact same thing that I brought you, and we ate on our episode. I don't remember what episode it was, but it was the exact same thing. 02:00:24.760 --> 02:00:38.935 Let me ask you a question. When you got the when you got the the ice cream chicken at, like, wherever deli that you went Yes. Did you did you also cut the line at the deli to get that chicken ice cream, or you only cut the line at Yankee Stadium? 02:00:39.255 --> 02:00:46.140 So I once was it Velardo's deli? Does that sound right? What? It was in Nutley. Is that correct? 02:00:46.140 --> 02:00:47.020 I hope I'm not 02:00:47.020 --> 02:00:50.940 Did you say in saying Clifton? That wasn't in Clifton? No. Was Nutley. In Nutley? 02:00:50.940 --> 02:01:07.885 I want to say it was in Nutley. Nutley, New Jersey. But so I when I ordered them from the deli in Jersey, I called ahead and the guy put 10 like a side for me. So funny It's funny you you say say that. When I walked in, it was kind of lunchtime and there was a massive line. 02:01:07.885 --> 02:01:22.765 There must have been 12 to 15 people on this line. And I went to get into the back of it and I'm like and the guy told me, he's like, just come to the front counter when you come in. Yeah. So I walk in, I see this massive line. I kind of go to the back of the line and I'm like, fuck me. 02:01:22.765 --> 02:01:39.440 And told me to go right to the counter. So I felt like such a jackass walking up in front of 15 people and be like, hey, by the way, I'm here to pick up my my ice cream chicken bucket bag. Like, felt like the biggest schmuck by the way. But I did it. And they were all looking me like I was an asshole. 02:01:41.120 --> 02:01:50.640 Mean, off. And, and, yeah, and I yeah, so I did. I walked up to the counter. He told to do it. It wasn't just me being an asshole. 02:01:51.345 --> 02:01:56.785 He I so, yes, I walked to the counter and he's like, oh, Jamie. Oh, yeah. Here's your bag. And I paid for it. I walked out. 02:01:56.785 --> 02:01:58.545 I felt like such a jackass, by the way. 02:01:58.545 --> 02:02:08.830 So, yes. So what? You go to Citi I mean, you go to Yankee Stadium and you see this long line and they're like, what what happened last time there was a line for ice cream chicken? Oh, I cut it. 02:02:08.910 --> 02:02:27.845 So for those of you that remember when I tried it the first time, the line was not that long. It was much shorter this time, so it kinda wrapped around the pole. And as it's wrapping around the pole, I see the All right. So if you go to Yankee Stadium, it's a very long counter for the ice cream. Okay. 02:02:27.845 --> 02:02:37.580 Right across from Benihana's. Yeah. And last time we were there, only the left side was selling the chicken bucket. The right side was just selling regular ice cream. Okay. 02:02:38.380 --> 02:03:08.720 So as the lines wrapping around, we are standing in front of the right side of the counter and we still have like ways to go to wrap around the pillar to kind of go into the queue. Okay. And I see people walking up to this other ice cream line that I'm familiar with that just said it's just hold regular ice cream. But I'm looking over the guy's head and they're advertising the chicken bucket over his head and I'm going and it says exit only. It was a cue for an exit. 02:03:08.720 --> 02:03:16.720 K? What? And and there's cue for an exit. It it was it was like a it was a it was roped off, and it said exit only. K? 02:03:16.720 --> 02:03:18.400 So it's almost like you got your ice cream and you 02:03:18.400 --> 02:03:20.515 walked through there. People were 02:03:20.995 --> 02:03:32.355 not leaving that way. They were walking the other way. See I'm like, I'm like, he has the chicken bucket. I'm like, he just gave to those three people. They just kind of walked up and got served. 02:03:32.835 --> 02:03:40.070 So I looked at Nancy, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, should we walk in there? It says exit. Right? And the people behind me, they're like, it says exit. Right? 02:03:40.070 --> 02:03:46.470 I'm like, I'm like, but people are walking up there. She's like, I know. So like four or five people did it. So we're like, fuck it. We're doing it too then. 02:03:46.470 --> 02:04:00.495 So essentially what we do is we created another line. We did. There were two lines now for the chicken bucket. So we walked up, there were only like seven or eight left. So I got one. 02:04:00.495 --> 02:04:11.130 Well, I think there were like three or four left when I walked away. But yes, I did cut the line. I didn't cut the line. I created a new line along with a bunch of other patrons. It was not just me. 02:04:11.850 --> 02:04:14.010 That's an interesting twist to the whole thing. 02:04:14.010 --> 02:04:17.770 It was not just me. A bunch of people started it and I just kind of followed suit. 02:04:17.995 --> 02:04:19.435 So, you're a follower? 02:04:21.035 --> 02:04:21.595 Not saying When 02:04:21.595 --> 02:04:22.955 comes to chicken ice cream, are. 02:04:22.955 --> 02:04:30.075 I suppose. I must say the dirty looks that we got from the people that were waiting on their line were Whatever. You'll never see them 02:04:30.075 --> 02:04:31.195 again when you had chicken ice cream. 02:04:31.520 --> 02:04:36.320 True. And I must say, when we left, the original line was huge. 02:04:37.120 --> 02:04:40.080 They don't tell people there's no more chicken ice cream? 02:04:40.960 --> 02:04:42.400 So, did I tell them that? 02:04:42.400 --> 02:04:46.320 No. I'm just saying like the the the line was still for chicken ice cream and there was none left? 02:04:46.825 --> 02:04:47.865 No. There were. 02:04:47.865 --> 02:04:49.865 They said there was, like, three left when you got there. 02:04:49.865 --> 02:04:52.985 There were three in on my side. I'm not sure the other side had more. 02:04:52.985 --> 02:04:54.185 Oh. Oh. Oh. Gotcha. 02:04:54.185 --> 02:05:05.560 It was a left and a right side of, like, the counter. But but when we when we went to Yankee Stadium last month, the right side was not selling chicken buckets. It was just the left side. So, you wanted regular ice cream, you just go to the other side. 02:05:05.560 --> 02:05:07.400 Got it. Yeah, I got you. I got you. 02:05:07.400 --> 02:05:10.999 So, yeah. So, I suppose that I did cut the line twice. 02:05:11.480 --> 02:05:17.080 You know, there's only one way to procure chicken buckets, and that is clearly by cutting lines. 02:05:18.155 --> 02:05:19.995 Clearly. Clearly. 02:05:20.155 --> 02:05:20.395 There's no 02:05:20.395 --> 02:05:26.395 other way. You need to take like evasive maneuvers to make sure that you secure the chicken bucket before it disappears. 02:05:26.795 --> 02:05:39.910 You know what you should do next time? You should actually you should dress up in a chicken costume. No. And like you you'd be a chicken like mascot. And then you could walk up and just take the chicken bucket and you probably don't even have to pay for it because like they'll think like, oh, this is the guy 02:05:39.910 --> 02:05:41.190 for Oh, that I'm working there? 02:05:41.190 --> 02:05:47.275 Yeah. And they're just yeah. You'll just take it and you'll be like showing everyone you got chicken and you'll have free chicken buckets. 02:05:47.275 --> 02:05:50.795 You you know, I I I don't think I look very good in a chicken costume. 02:05:50.875 --> 02:05:55.035 Why? It yeah. How would it you you would be it's like, think big bird dog. 02:05:55.035 --> 02:05:57.355 Oh, we're talking like oh, so like you wouldn't see me at all? 02:05:57.355 --> 02:05:58.635 Like No. No. You'd like it? 02:05:58.635 --> 02:06:00.300 Yeah. No. No. No. So it's like a mascot thing. 02:06:00.300 --> 02:06:03.900 Yeah. Yeah. That's Like the family fanatic type thing. Like, you don't see the person A 100%, 02:06:03.900 --> 02:06:05.100 like, gritty, but a chicken. 02:06:05.260 --> 02:06:07.500 Those things have to be hot as hell, by the way. 02:06:07.500 --> 02:06:09.100 Yo. Can I tell you something, though? 02:06:09.180 --> 02:06:10.940 How fucking hot those things are. 02:06:10.940 --> 02:06:32.130 So listen. So Otto, like, maybe two seasons ago, we went to a Devil's game and he was he was hell bent on getting on the Jumbotron. So he it was like after Halloween and he wore like he was like Jason or whatever. So he had, like, you know, the old school goalie hockey mask, stitches on and blood. So he decided he was gonna wear the face mask, and that'll get him on the Jumbotron. 02:06:32.130 --> 02:06:32.610 We went 02:06:32.610 --> 02:06:34.530 it didn't work. Didn't it? It didn't work? 02:06:34.530 --> 02:06:46.365 Didn't work. The face mask didn't work. So the next devil game we go to, he's like, I need to up my game. So we have, like, a hot dog costume, which is like, get into it. And like, you're a walking hot dog. 02:06:46.365 --> 02:07:01.820 And he's like, this is how I'm getting on the Jumbotron. I'm gonna be a hot dog. So he literally he would get in the hot dog costume, stand on the chair whenever, like, you know, he had a chance, and he made it break in the action, and he made it on that. I remember that. He got on as a hot dog. 02:07:01.820 --> 02:07:03.340 I'll have to put that on Instagram. 02:07:03.340 --> 02:07:08.940 Didn't they put him on the devil's Instagram too? Oh, I don't what he made it on the devil's Instagram. 02:07:08.940 --> 02:07:10.060 No. You wanna hear something funny? 02:07:10.895 --> 02:07:12.735 No. Swore he made it. 02:07:12.815 --> 02:07:20.095 If he did, I don't I don't know that. But then my daughter was also there. She was like, I wanna wear the costume. And like, finally, okay. So she wore it. 02:07:20.495 --> 02:07:34.320 Unbeknownst to her, she wanted to walk down by the glass in between periods. Right. So we did. And like everyone's kinda like, you know, standing and chilling and people like, I guess people thought that she was like a mascot that had to do with like the Prudential Like, 02:07:34.640 --> 02:07:35.920 Masquer Meier or like Subrette. 02:07:35.920 --> 02:07:39.435 Dude, literally people were coming up to her asking if they could take a picture with her. 02:07:39.435 --> 02:07:42.715 Stop it. And she was in this little hot tub. Really? 02:07:43.035 --> 02:07:47.675 I swear to God. And she goes, that was really weird. And I was like, yeah. I thought it was a little weird too. 02:07:47.675 --> 02:07:50.795 You don't you and I have a history of taking pictures with mascots? 02:07:50.795 --> 02:07:51.435 Who do we take 02:07:51.435 --> 02:08:01.210 a picture with? We who do we take a picture with when were in Lake Placid? It was the Clarkson the Clarkson it was the Clarkson mascot. He was like the golden knight or something like that. 02:08:01.210 --> 02:08:05.370 Oh, yeah. When he was walking by and Yeah. Yeah. We could put that up too. Yeah. 02:08:05.370 --> 02:08:05.450 Yeah. 02:08:05.450 --> 02:08:11.984 Yeah. And I actually have a picture of of I have a picture with what mascot? Was on the Providence friar. 02:08:12.385 --> 02:08:12.785 Oh, yeah. 02:08:12.785 --> 02:08:18.465 Providence, Rhode Island. Yep. We went to see Providence play BC. Oh, I think I remember picture with the Providence mascot. 02:08:18.545 --> 02:08:19.585 Oh. Yeah. 02:08:20.160 --> 02:08:21.680 No. No. That's all. I was done. 02:08:21.760 --> 02:08:37.755 No. Then I was thinking about autos and auto and hot dogs, and then he had gone to a Boston College game last season. Mhmm. And I guess in Boston College, they throw hot dogs into the stands for like, you know, you win a hot dog, like people shoot t shirts. I don't know because people were throwing hot 02:08:37.755 --> 02:08:40.475 dogs in the stands. They're they're in like cellophane. 02:08:40.475 --> 02:08:42.555 Yeah. No. In in in foil wrapper. 02:08:42.555 --> 02:08:45.035 Yes. In foil In the oven. Right. Correct. 02:08:45.510 --> 02:08:46.790 I got hot dog. 02:08:47.030 --> 02:08:48.550 That's pretty sweet. Caught it? 02:08:48.630 --> 02:08:49.910 Yeah. But he didn't eat it. 02:08:50.150 --> 02:08:50.710 Because I wasn't 02:08:50.710 --> 02:08:51.270 gonna eat that. 02:08:51.270 --> 02:08:53.510 I would eat it. 02:08:53.510 --> 02:08:56.310 I know. He he he there was a pass on his end. 02:08:56.550 --> 02:09:17.450 Speaking of speaking of catching things in in the stands, Nancy and I were sitting kinda down the third baseline at Yankee Stadium the other day. Yeah. Like, 19 rows off the field and two rows in front of us. They played the Cincinnati Reds. Okay? 02:09:17.770 --> 02:09:29.595 And this dude, Sal Stewart, it plays third base for the Reds. And I and his entire Scott, his entire family were two rows in front of us. Like, I'm talking like, there must have been like 15 of them. And they 02:09:29.755 --> 02:09:31.355 Is a guy? 02:09:31.915 --> 02:09:39.675 You know, I don't think so. Nancy looked him up. He's from Miami. Oh. Clearly, he has a ton of family in in the New York area. 02:09:39.675 --> 02:09:56.655 Right? So they were two rows in front of us. And a foul ball was hit that I want say like bounced off like the wall and kind of ricocheted back to him as he plays third base. And can I tell you, this guy takes the ball and he throws like a dot to his family members? 02:09:57.135 --> 02:09:57.375 He was 02:09:57.375 --> 02:10:03.855 like, not close to them, Scott. And he throws a dot to his family members, and they catch it two rows in front of us. 02:10:03.855 --> 02:10:05.615 Like that doesn't surprise me. 02:10:05.615 --> 02:10:12.930 Scott, he threw a fucking dot to these two professional. I know. But still, my god. It's ridiculous. 02:10:12.930 --> 02:10:14.050 The Dude, you seen people 02:10:14.210 --> 02:10:15.010 these dudes have. 02:10:15.010 --> 02:10:25.405 But that's like an all sports man. That that that's like you've seen foot like football soccer players when they, like, do crossbar challenges? Yes. You know, immune. It's, like, from distance too. 02:10:25.405 --> 02:10:26.445 It's not an accident. This 02:10:26.925 --> 02:10:39.860 dude he lobs it, like, from he he was standing, like, I don't know, maybe at the outfield grass where the third the dirt meets the outfield grass by the third baits, and he throws a fucking dot to his family members. And one of them caught it. 02:10:39.940 --> 02:10:47.860 But listen, like, from his Right? Like, he throws that and, like, a little too far, a little too short. He he's hitting someone who's not paying attention. 02:10:47.860 --> 02:10:50.835 No. No. Everybody was paying attention. Oh, okay. Everybody everybody stood up. 02:10:50.835 --> 02:10:51.635 Oh, okay. Got you. 02:10:51.635 --> 02:11:03.700 And and I actually almost fuck kind of felt bad because I'm like, oh my god. I'm like, how shitty would that have been at the guy in in the row in front of him caught it and, didn't give it to, like, the his family members behind him. Well, how would they know? They were all wearing Stewart jerseys, number 27. 02:11:03.700 --> 02:11:07.620 No. So, was that obvious? I thought maybe you overheard them saying something. 02:11:07.620 --> 02:11:22.255 No, You couldn't miss it. Were all because they were were they all wearing not all of them, but the majority of them were wearing Stewart jerseys, whether they were white or red. Okay. Maybe they were all in the same row. They were all wearing Stewart jerseys. 02:11:22.255 --> 02:11:30.975 He was playing third base right there. And then before the game started, they were down by the wall where the players were talking to him and he came over to say hi 02:11:30.975 --> 02:11:31.855 to them. Yeah. 02:11:31.935 --> 02:11:35.669 Yeah. So that was that was pretty cool. I'm not gonna lie. That was kind of neat. Sweet. 02:11:35.670 --> 02:11:40.310 Yeah. Yeah. That is cool. He throws a dime to him like it was cool. 02:11:40.390 --> 02:11:55.205 That is pretty cool. Yeah. I don't know, man. Just watching yeah. Get I get caught up in like YouTube or like Instagram or like when when you when I see something like these professional athletes, like just doing professional athlete like stuff, you know what I mean? 02:11:55.205 --> 02:12:19.395 It's like, Jesus, they're so good, man. And let me tell you, I I played pickup the other morning and one of the guys in the game played in the coast in the East Coast Hockey League. And it's just like, wow, dude. You know, like this guy obviously didn't make the NHL, but, you know, played in the coast. And look, again, he's playing against like myself and other people like, you know, that are not very good. 02:12:19.635 --> 02:12:20.435 But still it's 02:12:20.435 --> 02:12:21.155 just like 02:12:21.715 --> 02:12:35.300 just seeing some like all the details, like just like, you know, body position, stick position, you know what I mean? Like, how quickly they can stick handle, get their head up and make, like, you know, a cheeky little pass, like, you know, like backdoor. It's just it's it was just, like, unreal to watch up close. 02:12:35.540 --> 02:12:36.980 Yeah. I can imagine. 02:12:37.060 --> 02:12:37.380 Yeah. 02:12:37.380 --> 02:12:40.340 You you had an interesting little run-in at your pickup game. Right? 02:12:41.885 --> 02:12:44.205 Oh, I had another one too. I didn't even tell you. 02:12:44.605 --> 02:12:45.485 Oh, really? 02:12:45.565 --> 02:12:50.765 Wait. Oh, yeah. That's so funny. So shout out to Ben McGrath. Yes. 02:12:50.845 --> 02:13:04.860 So last episode and then we should probably wrap it up. It's getting long. But you are. So last episode when we had Rich Cohen on, he had mentioned, you know, someone from his, you know, that he knows then, you know, I think it had to do with like going to Chelsea Piers and 02:13:04.860 --> 02:13:06.060 Mensley game. 02:13:07.180 --> 02:13:20.875 And I was he mentioned this guy, Ben McGrath. And so anyway, get on the bench to play the game and, just introducing myself to folks that I hadn't met before. And, you know, as you know, I introduced myself to the guy, Ben. And he goes, Oh, you know, Rich Cohen, you know, I know him. He's a friend. 02:13:20.875 --> 02:13:39.690 He mentioned me on the podcast. I'm like, Dude, this is such a small world. You know, that just last week, you know, you were mentioned on our podcast and and now we're on adventure with you playing men's league. And then the funnier thing is his kids on and look, I'm still meeting families on Otto's team for next season. He's on his son's on Otto's team. 02:13:40.215 --> 02:13:41.175 How funny. 02:13:41.255 --> 02:13:47.735 So funny. So now, yeah, there's like a I don't know. Yeah. Small world. This is small world. 02:13:47.735 --> 02:13:56.060 Yes. Very, very small world. Yeah. Yeah. So before we wrap up, can we please talk about the blockbuster NHL trade that happened 02:13:56.060 --> 02:14:03.260 last week? Dude. I told I told Otto, I'm like, Otto, major trade. Guess who's playing with who? 02:14:04.060 --> 02:14:05.420 I told Dominic the same thing. 02:14:05.420 --> 02:14:13.035 And then Orly's like, they're brothers. And so Otto goes, no way. He goes he goes, Quinn's on the devils. 02:14:13.115 --> 02:14:14.795 Oh, that would have been phenomenal. I'm right. 02:14:14.795 --> 02:14:17.995 He's like, no. He's like he's like, Jack's on he goes, Jack's on the 02:14:18.315 --> 02:14:18.795 Jack's on 02:14:18.795 --> 02:14:19.595 the Minnesota Wild. 02:14:19.595 --> 02:14:24.960 Minnesota Wild. I'm like, no, dude. I'm like, Brady's playing Florida. 02:14:25.200 --> 02:14:35.280 Brady Kachuk to Florida for four draft picks. I mean Two first a future first and a future two. Is that what it is? Something like that? 02:14:35.415 --> 02:14:37.975 I don't remember what it is, but like, geez. 02:14:37.975 --> 02:14:52.730 It was like two ones. Well, traded Mackie Samuskevich to Seattle earlier in the day. So that's when they acquired another one. So they traded this year's two ones. I want to say it's nine or 13 '25, something like that. 02:14:52.730 --> 02:15:10.595 Yeah. A first in 2029 and I think a second in 2030 or something along those lines for Brady. Unreal. I mean, listen, now you have to pay him. So, there's salary cap's gonna he's not gonna have a small salary. 02:15:11.395 --> 02:15:20.540 No. But the other thing is like he's also coming from Canada where like, you know, the salary that he was making there, like with the Canadian, with the exchange exchange rate rate and and the the tax situation 02:15:20.700 --> 02:15:24.140 going on that was in a nontax state. That's what I'm saying. 02:15:24.140 --> 02:15:24.700 I'm sure, like 02:15:24.860 --> 02:15:25.900 more of his money. 02:15:25.980 --> 02:15:31.660 A 100%. Like, clearly, that's the advantage that they have and being in Florida. But still, you know 02:15:32.375 --> 02:15:55.990 I'm gonna say something that may be a little controversial, and I don't know if it's true or not, but it just made me think about it when this happened. Why is it that US born players are leaving Canada to come to The United States to play? Quinn, Johnny Goudreaux, Matthew Kaczuk. Why is that? 02:15:56.790 --> 02:15:59.350 I I think there's plenty of people that go both directions. 02:16:00.415 --> 02:16:01.215 Are there? 02:16:01.695 --> 02:16:07.855 I mean, I think so. I you trying to circuit, like, connect dots between this and, like, taxes? 02:16:08.175 --> 02:16:09.455 I'm not sure. 02:16:09.695 --> 02:16:09.855 Could 02:16:09.935 --> 02:16:13.535 unless I'm asking. Is it me or is that a thing? I can't tell. 02:16:13.860 --> 02:16:14.900 Listen, no, I think 02:16:14.900 --> 02:16:24.180 I can't tell if it's a thing or not. But but you have all these big time US born players that are leaving our friends up north to come back to The States. 02:16:25.220 --> 02:16:26.020 Well, I I mean 02:16:26.180 --> 02:16:28.500 I don't know. Is it a money thing? Is it an exchange rate thing? 02:16:29.355 --> 02:16:33.436 It says, I I think in some instances, that's definitely part of the equation. I think, undoubtedly. 02:16:34.715 --> 02:16:40.556 Think about that. Quinn wanted to leave. Right? Brady, Matthew, Johnny Goudreaux. 02:16:41.436 --> 02:16:43.410 Yeah. I mean 02:16:43.729 --> 02:17:00.045 Again, don't know if there's any there there, but it seems like US born players are like gravitating away from the Canadian teams. Again, I don't know if it's true. Cole Caulfield seems to be one of the only exceptions. Thatcher Dads Podcast. Well, lean Hudson's on his rookie contract. 02:17:00.045 --> 02:17:00.685 That's different. 02:17:00.925 --> 02:17:01.564 Fair. 02:17:01.564 --> 02:17:11.404 Right? Thatcher Demko. Call again, Cole Caulfield signed an extension. Is Brock Besser still up there? He is right. 02:17:12.080 --> 02:17:19.440 I'll say Brock's up there. Thatcher Demko. And what's his face? Our USA Hockey goalie. What's his name? 02:17:19.440 --> 02:17:20.640 Oh, Hellabug. 02:17:20.640 --> 02:17:29.494 Thank you. Connor Hellabug's up there and assigned, you know, so so I'm I'm curious to see if like if there's like an exchange rate thing that that The US born players want to 02:17:29.494 --> 02:17:33.814 not be playing count They they don't always have control over where they're going. 02:17:34.295 --> 02:17:35.335 Of course not. 02:17:35.335 --> 02:17:51.280 You know? But I think for some people who have a say and have leverage in the conversation, I I think that, look, if you're choosing between Vegas, Dallas, Tampa, Florida, like even Carolina's a low income tax state, like 02:17:51.520 --> 02:17:52.479 Oh, yeah. Oh, we're talking a 02:17:52.479 --> 02:17:56.399 little bit about solid Those are teams too, you know? So you know what I mean? So 02:17:56.936 --> 02:17:58.376 true. True. Very true. 02:17:58.455 --> 02:18:01.976 So I don't know. It's it's it's it's got a lot going forward with those teams, you know? 02:18:02.136 --> 02:18:09.800 Yeah. Interesting. I wonder if there's anything there. Would love to explore that with somebody who knows what they're talking about. You know, if somebody who knows, like, I don't know. 02:18:09.800 --> 02:18:10.280 Interesting. 02:18:10.280 --> 02:18:12.280 Right? Knows a thing or two about a thing or two? 02:18:12.280 --> 02:18:13.720 Yeah. Exactly. You know? 02:18:13.720 --> 02:18:14.761 Yeah, man. Well, 02:18:15.240 --> 02:18:23.975 listen. I think Quinn is definitely coming to the Dallas by the way now. Because I think he wants to play with his brothers. We're gonna find out. One more year. 02:18:24.614 --> 02:18:29.815 One more year, dog. One more year. More What do you think, we wrap this guy up? 02:18:29.975 --> 02:18:32.215 We can. Absolutely, buddy. This was fun. 02:18:32.455 --> 02:18:37.689 Yeah. From location. Yeah. You get out of the freaking hotel. I mean, the lobby, I mean. 02:18:37.689 --> 02:18:42.170 The lobby? Yeah. Surprised nobody, like, has, like, side eye me. It's not that bad. I must say. 02:18:42.170 --> 02:18:48.135 Even though everybody's walking by. But it hasn't been terrible. Okay. Well, there you go. It's actually worked. 02:18:48.135 --> 02:18:49.575 Your plan d is working. 02:18:50.295 --> 02:18:52.936 Yeah. You're not kidding. It's been an interesting day. 02:18:53.015 --> 02:18:56.615 So Alright, dude. Well, why don't you get eat some food and get some rest? 02:18:56.694 --> 02:18:58.936 Yes. I appreciate that. I will talk to you later. 02:18:59.095 --> 02:18:59.814 Alright, my guy. 02:19:00.070 --> 02:19:02.391 Episode 72 in the books? 02:19:02.391 --> 02:19:04.870 In the books. Numbers 72. 02:19:04.950 --> 02:19:06.311 I love it. See you later, buddy. 02:19:06.311 --> 02:19:07.271 Alright, dude. Peace out. 02:19:07.271 --> 02:19:07.830 See you. Bye.