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Welcome to the We Are More podcast.

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My name is Alyssa.

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And my name is Bri.

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We are two sisters passionate about all things faith and feminism.

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We believe that Jesus trusted, respected, and encouraged women to teach and preach His

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word.

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And apparently that's controversial.

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Get comfy.

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I want to start off by saying there's nothing worse to start your day off with than running

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behind you need to get ready.

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You're trying to get ready in a rush because you're stupid.

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You've been staring at your phone for too long and you spray some deodorant into your

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armpits so that you don't offend anybody with your smell.

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And then you accidentally breathe in that deodorant.

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It has been in my esophagus all day.

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It has been what do you call deodorant?

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Antiperspirant?

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My throat has been antiperspirized.

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Was your throat perspirizing before?

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Well it's not now.

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And it really has thrown me off all day.

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I feel like I have felt it all day.

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Have you tasted it all day?

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I have not tasted it.

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But this morning in the morning meeting I did announce it to absolutely everybody that

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I inhaled deodorant.

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Did they enjoy that story?

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I think they just tolerate me at this point.

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They have just decided that she can speak her nonsense if she wants.

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Well good.

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At least they do that.

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They've learned to ignore it.

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I don't have any deodorant stories.

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I'm trying to like bounce off that.

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I've got none.

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I think that's good for you.

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Yeah.

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World, do you have deodorant stories that you'd like to share?

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Have you accidentally inhaled anything you didn't intend to?

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Let us know on our TikTok.

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We'd love to share your story.

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We'd love to share your story of accidental inhalation.

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Hmm.

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Well that sounds worse.

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No.

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It's very much real.

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I have inhaled like perfume and stuff.

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Like as you spray that.

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Yeah but you don't feel it all day.

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No.

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That's horrifying.

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Like it is in my soul.

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Your soul?

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Yeah.

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I'm not stinky anywhere.

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Good.

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Including my soul.

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So like your liver is good to go.

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Not smelly at all.

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Honestly I think my liver might be worse off.

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Oh.

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That's possible.

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I don't know how deodorant inhalation works.

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I don't think it makes it to your liver.

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I think it has.

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I'm not sure that there are like clinical studies on it but.

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Not many people have studied this.

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I don't think many people do this.

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It was like I was spraying into the pits.

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You know I was spraying into the pits and there was a cloud around me.

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And I moved.

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And I moved back.

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And I inhaled.

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As one does when one breathes.

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And it was a mistake.

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It might be time to switch to a stick deodorant.

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But like I have this so I want to use it up.

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I think it just for your health it might be time.

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I just want everybody to know.

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PSA.

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The Ultra Clear.

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No.

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The spray on deodorant that's supposed to last you 72 hours.

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Wow.

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Turns out you don't have to shower for 72 hours.

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Don't breathe it in.

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I have questions about the 72 hour thing.

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That's on all kinds of deodorant now.

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It's like 72 hours.

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Is that really functional?

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And also who's keeping track?

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Oh I only have to apply my deodorant every.

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Monday and Thursday.

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What is happening there?

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Nobody's doing that.

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They're not.

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Although I haven't researched it.

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So not willing to make a statement.

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No but I feel like nobody's doing that.

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So today is part three of our Bathsheba series.

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And I believe we are actually going to do a part four because Brie really is excited

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about going into the rest of her story.

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So you can kind of look forward to that next week.

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Her story.

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Her children's stories.

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Yeah I don't know how directly related to her it is but her stories in Second Samuel

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I think it's like chapters 11 and 12.

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But if you read on it continues talking about King David's children and just there's a

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lot of drama.

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He's a dramatic human.

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Wow.

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If someone wrote out the entire story of my life it wouldn't make that interesting of

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a tale.

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You wouldn't read that book.

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Honestly.

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Okay.

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Just letting everybody know.

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Online dating out there.

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Or like interviews.

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Tell me something interesting about yourself.

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Let me get to know you.

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There is nothing interesting about me.

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My mind goes blank.

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I forget my name.

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I forget any hobbies that I might have.

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I am like a blob.

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I would not recommend this being the first thing you talk about on your interview.

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I don't.

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I let that one you know.

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Save it as a shock factor.

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Yeah they can find out about it later.

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Yeah.

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You do what?

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Two truths and a lie later on.

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When you do that at your drunk Christmas party.

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I host a podcast with my sister and we're raging feminists.

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Two, I'm 97 years old.

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Well that is the truthful one.

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So now you gotta come up with a lie.

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That's true.

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I've never told a lie.

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Lies.

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So anyway.

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That's Sheba.

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So today we're going to be talking about some of the more contemporary looks and takes on

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her.

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Because last first week we told the biblical version of her story and we talked through

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it I think more from the perspective of real women.

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Not being told from the perspective of a man.

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And then last week we talked about, we did a little bit of research on her story and

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our good friend Mark's article.

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So we went through that.

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Both really good ones.

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Both will lead into this.

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But if you know the basic story I think you can start here if you want to and then go

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back.

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I feel like what's really interesting about doing this in three parts or four parts, however

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it is, I know her story like the back of my hand now.

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I could just babble on Beth Sheba's entire life.

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Probably not her entire life but short little snippet of her entire life that we know about.

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It's really written into the core of my memory.

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But I think that's so good and I think that's why it's been really fun to take a really

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deep dive into this story because how often do you get to know the women of the Bible

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like this?

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To really understand them.

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Yeah, especially because their stories are so short.

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And like we've said before, just the little bits that you hear about her in church or

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in small groups, it doesn't really tell her true full story.

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So this week we're looking at modern day takes on her.

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Now we've talked about what we've heard in church before but I want to start off talking

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about a woman named Rachel Den Hollander.

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I like that last name.

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It's quite a last name.

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It's a lot of syllables.

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It wouldn't fit on a Scantron.

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It would not.

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I like that that's our metric.

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Scantron, man.

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My last name barely fits on a Scantron.

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Is your last name longer than my last name?

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No, it's seven letters.

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Oh, it's the same.

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All right, moving on.

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So Rachel spoke recently, I say recently, this article is from 2019.

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So recently in the grand scheme of things but not recently like yesterday.

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So she spoke at a Southern Baptist Convention.

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Now if you don't know a lot about the Southern Baptist Church, they are known as being very,

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very conservative but also doesn't have the best PR when it comes to women.

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So they recently were voting on whether or not women could be pastors in the larger Southern

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Baptist Church.

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So you're not talking about one single church.

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You're talking about a group of churches that is governed by a board or whatever it is that

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they call themselves.

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A log.

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Yes, I think a log is what they call themselves.

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It's crazy.

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Like it was okay yesterday but today it's not and Jesus said it's not.

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So even if it wasn't looked down upon in that circle to begin with, it would have been kind

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of wild.

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But yeah, it's like, ah, well, your calling from God doesn't matter to us anymore.

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See you bye.

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And all of the people of your community.

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And your education that you have the same as the guy next door.

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So this woman that we're about to talk about, she spoke at a Southern Baptist Convention.

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She is part of, I believe, the Southern Baptist Church as a whole.

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Sorry for her.

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Which is not known for being kind to women.

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So when she got up at this conference, this is, I'm gonna go ahead and say the actual

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word because I think we'll be okay.

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Maybe YouTube won't like it.

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So this is what she said.

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She is an attorney and a stay at home mom and I'll go into her story a little bit in

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a second.

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But she got up and she said, David didn't fornicate, David raped.

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Which is quite a statement in A, a conservative space.

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And in B, a Christian space at all because that's just not a word that they like to use.

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At all costs, they want to make this situation, if they're talking about it at all, they want

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to smooth it over as much as possible and put as much blame on Bathsheba as they can

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because they don't want to mess with David's reputation.

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And again, that's what we do in society now.

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So it was pretty, I can't say it was overall inflammatory.

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I wasn't sitting there.

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I don't know.

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But here are some of the comments.

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So one of the things that she said is if you understand the power dynamics and you understand

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the Hebrew and you look at the Levitical examples and discussion of rape and you understand

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what Nathan, who's the prophet, is saying in his parable, it is abundantly clear from

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that text that David raped.

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And then she goes on to expand upon that.

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So on Twitter, now these are not necessarily people who are even of the faith, but comments

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on Twitter that came back.

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Ruthie You mean X.

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Bekkah Oh, I do actually.

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I do mean that, but I hate that I mean that.

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So one comment said, I love what the Den Hollanders have done for victim awareness, but this kind

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of thing is a perfect example of why it's really dangerous to let your own experiences

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cloud the way you read and understand scripture.

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This was from a pastor in Chicago.

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Ruthie No, I think your own experiences make the Bible more real to you because you're

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able to read that and say, oh, this is what happened to her.

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Bekkah So then another comment, it was a male commenter,

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that's all we know about him.

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And we'll go into her story in just a second.

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But another commenter said, if she wasn't a willing participant, she could have simply

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refused and dealt with the consequences.

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Ruthie What?

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Bekkah Countless people have chosen death over violating

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their own consciences.

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Ruthie What?

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Bekkah Uh huh.

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Now this is Twitter, guys.

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Trolls are everywhere.

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Ruthie That's just an insane statement.

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Like, preserve David.

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Don't say David did anything wrong.

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She should have died rather than let David take advantage of her.

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Bekkah Well, let's also make the point that she

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may not have had even that option.

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Ruthie That's true.

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Bekkah David's men, his guards, whatever you want to call them, went to get her.

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She didn't know what was happening.

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Did she have the option to throw herself off the roof at that point?

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Probably not.

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They probably came, grabbed her arms, carried her off, whether she wanted it or not.

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Ruthie Yeah.

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Oh my gosh.

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Bekkah I know.

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So Rachel's husband commented back, and I think it's really, his comment is very poignant.

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So they do a lot of this advocacy together.

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And he was basically paraphrasing what that man just said.

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He said, if she's not dead, it means she's an adulterous woman.

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Ruthie Oh my god.

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Bekkah He's just paraphrasing what was already said.

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Ruthie Yeah, but that's true.

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Bekkah But yeah, when you boil it down, and think of that in the context of today, of

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assault today, if a woman walks down the street and is assaulted, and she doesn't die to stop

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that from happening, now she's part of it.

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She's part of the wrongdoing.

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Ruthie I dare you to look into the eyes of a woman who has taken advantage of and say,

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your life is not worth living.

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You should have died.

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Bekkah Well, that's why these things are said on Twitter, and not to someone's face.

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So Rachel, her story is quite incredible, actually.

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So she, if you didn't hear about this story, this was very big where we live, because we

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live in Michigan, and this happened at Michigan State.

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She actually grew up not too far from where we went to college.

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Ruthie We went to college right next door to each other.

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Bekkah We did.

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Ruthie I didn't want to go to your college.

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I didn't want to be associated with you.

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Bekkah You loved me.

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I was with you all the time.

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Ruthie I think you loved me.

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Bekkah I think at this point, again, we've morphed into the same person.

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Ruthie We have mutual love.

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Bekkah So Rachel was one of the women, actually one of the first women to go public with accusations

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against Larry Nassar, who was the doctor for the gymnastics team at Michigan State.

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And he was accused and convicted of assaulting hundreds of girls.

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Was it just the Michigan State gymnastics team, or was it the Olympic?

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Bekkah He was at Michigan State, it had something to do with the Olympics.

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I'm not 100% clear on where all of the girls came from, but they were primarily underage,

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if not all underage.

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And so this happened to her, and then she didn't say anything, or didn't get traction

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on having said anything for about six or seven years.

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And this was happening to girls the whole time, before her, after her, and other people

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had come forward and said things, but it was again, brushed away.

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Ruthie Exactly, because we need to keep him in power, or his job is more important than

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your literal well-being.

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Bekkah So Rachel went on, she was the first one to get some traction with an accusation,

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she wasn't going to drop it.

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She essentially organized a group of women willing to testify, she was then the last

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woman to testify in his case.

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And she got up on the stand, and she essentially begged the jury to give this man the full

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possible sentence, the highest amount of years in prison that they possibly could.

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And she ended her statement by saying, how much is a little girl worth?

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And then she went on to say, these victims are worth everything.

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I plead with you to impose the maximum sentence under the plea agreement, because everything

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is what these survivors are worth.

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Now I want you to imagine looking at this woman, this woman who was assaulted, and then

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who built an army of people to go against the man that hurt them.

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And I want you to imagine looking her in the face and saying, you were complicit in that,

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because you should have died instead.

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Ruthie You should have died instead, yeah.

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Your life isn't worth living if you have lived through this.

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Bekkah I just, it's beyond me.

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That's insane.

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It's insane.

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And so this again informs where the pastor that commented on Twitter, when he said like,

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oh, your personal experiences have shaped the way you're seeing the Bible.

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When this woman says, I'm looking at a story and I'm seeing assault, abuse and rape.

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You don't question that.

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Ruthie You do not question it.

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How dare you?

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Bekkah She knows what she's talking about.

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A whole lot more than a random pastor from Chicago.

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She knows exactly what she's talking about, so don't question her when she says these

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things.

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Additionally, even if let's say you looked at this and you were like, I don't know, maybe

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you don't know her story, something like that.

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The Bible backs her up.

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Ruthie Yeah, it really does.

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Bekkah Like it really, really backs her up to the point that even a lot of conservative

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pastors are flipping around and saying, yeah, okay, the Bathsheba really wasn't at fault

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here.

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Ruthie And we talked about that in the last two episodes, but like specifically the story

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of the lamb that Nathan talked about.

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How innocent that says she is.

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She's completely innocent.

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She is without fault.

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And again, at no point was she told Bathsheba, we're back on Bathsheba now.

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Bekkah What about Bath?

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Ruthie At no point was she told, go and sin no more,

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turn from your sinful ways.

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Like whatever you want to, whatever phrasing you want to use that was used with other people

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in the Bible, wasn't used with her.

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It wasn't there.

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So the Bible in no small way says that it's her fault and really distinctly says that

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it's David's fault.

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So it's really hard to get to a place where it's not 100% on him.

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So that was kind of her story.

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And I just thought that was really powerful and I was really excited to learn about who

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she is.

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She's gone Rachel, Rachel Dunhollander.

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Sorry, we're going back and forth between multiple she's at this point.

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Bekkah I was following you, but not everybody's your sister.

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Ruthie Okay, sorry.

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So I was excited to learn about Rachel Dunhollander because she has gone on to write, I think,

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four books.

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Yes, so four books.

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One is a memoir that's titled What is a Girl Worth?

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She also has two children's books out and titled How Much is a Little Girl Worth?

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And then How Much is a Little Boy Worth?

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And then she also has a third book called Discover Your True Worth.

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So she's really taken her advocacy to a whole new level.

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Bekkah That'd be interesting for us to read.

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Ruthie It was published by Tyndale.

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So if you guys want to check any of those out.

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Bekkah Different from Ashley Tisdale?

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Ruthie Yes, and she's now married and has four children.

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So person who wants to say that your life is over after these situations.

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Clearly God was not done with her story yet.

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Very clearly God was not done with her story.

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And very clearly God was not done with Bathsheba's story.

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Because she goes on to be the mother of Solomon and through her is the lineage of Jesus.

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That's a pretty big I'm not done with you.

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Bekkah That is a pretty big slap into the face of...

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Into the face?

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Ruthie Slap in the face.

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To that guy on Twitter.

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Bekkah Yeah.

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Ruthie Like really?

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Bekkah Yeah.

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Ruthie Without her you wouldn't have Jesus.

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Without her you wouldn't have heaven.

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Dang it all the heck.

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I want to slap that guy on Twitter.

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Bekkah Well I don't think he can because we don't know who he is.

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But maybe we can find out.

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Ruthie I was watching a YouTube video today.

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You told me to research and so I was trying with YouTube.

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It was like this untold story of Bathsheba.

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And it was just so interesting to me the power of words.

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So it's not someone reading the actual verses of her story.

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It's just someone kind of giving the general gist of her story.

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And they said their adultery.

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Their adultery.

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And just the power of words there.

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It wasn't up to her.

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It wasn't adultery.

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It was rape.

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Bekkah Yep.

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And that's the wording that you find almost everywhere.

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So another one of the articles that I read.

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Now this is a little bit of an older one as well.

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It's from 2017.

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Ruthie Why are you saying that's old?

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Bekkah I'm sorry.

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Ruthie I'm feeling incredibly old.

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Bekkah I'm sorry.

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That was seven years ago.

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Oh my gosh.

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Bekkah And the reason a lot of these resources are older is because Bathsheba's story got

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some press.

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And it became very unpopular to call her the one at fault.

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So you started seeing even conservative pastors kind of like backpedaling at least publicly.

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Now you're not seeing the same thing in church services where it's not necessarily being

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recorded and posted or even if it is it's not getting a lot of views.

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You know your local church may post a video and get a hundred views on it.

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Two hundred views on it.

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But the likelihood of that getting a lot of negative feedback is pretty low.

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So you do see it in churches still but you aren't seeing it necessarily on people's blogs,

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on people's Twitter, on people's whatever.

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Actually one of the articles that I was reading she calls and I think this is a fairly common

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term but it's newer for me.

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She calls the like the men that are all about you know the patriarchal Christianity and

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women submitting and whatever she calls them Theo bros.

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And I thought that was hilarious.

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But she even said that most of the Theo bros have kind of turned the other way on this

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story if they talk about it at all which you're not going to get them to talk about it very

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often but if you do then they'll at least say she wasn't at fault.

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They won't necessarily call it out for what it is but they at least will try not to say

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it's her fault.

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Right.

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I saw a TikTok today.

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This is not necessarily on topic but I sent it to the we are more TikTok we can repost

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it.

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But this lady was just saying essentially why do you think these Gen Z men are flocking

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to the church?

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They're flocking to the church because they found an institution that tells them they

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have no faults and that they are in complete power and now you see just droves of women

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leaving the church because this institution has told women that they are worth nothing

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other than bearing the children of these all-important men and that everything is their fault.

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Well I think that actually really ties into I was working on an article at work and it

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talked about how I think they say 70% of divorces in the United States are initiated by women

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and that gets thrown out by the theobro community and people like that to say look women are

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terrible, they're just divorcing men left and right, they hate the institution of marriage,

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etc.

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But the reality is what's happening is women are starting to have the ability to value

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themselves more and they don't have to sit there while you treat them like garbage.

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Well they've said that on other TikToks that I've seen marriage is great for men specifically

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because it gives them someone to take care of their children, it gives them someone to

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cook, to clean, to run their house, but it's not necessarily fantastic for women because

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they still in 2024 have to have a part-time or full-time job to help support the family,

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but they also are taking on all these like traditional roles too so it's not necessarily

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great for women.

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It's not necessarily a benefit, so it's like you said a couple episodes ago and we're a

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little off topic but we'll come back.

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I think you said...

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I've said a lot of things.

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You said in order to get married a man has to be more valuable to you than being by yourself.

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Yeah, you have to compete with me, with my time, with how much I like being by myself

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and that is a big competition.

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I love spending time by myself.

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I think you can see...

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I don't find the divorce rate a horrifying thing.

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I know that's like a really controversial thing to say as a Christian, but I think God values

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you more than he values your marriage.

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He values your safety and well-being, whether that's mental well-being or physical well-being,

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more than he values the rule of staying married.

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I truly believe that in my heart and so I find that the ability, not that divorce is

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a great thing, not that it isn't hurtful, not that it doesn't rip people to shreds at

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times, but the fact that the ability is out there for women to walk away, for Christian

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women to walk away from terrible situations, I'm applauding that.

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I'm totally behind that.

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When were women legally allowed to initiate divorce?

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I don't know.

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I'm Googling.

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Oh, it's not an easy answer.

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It's probably state by state.

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But it's not all that long ago that women were actually allowed to initiate divorce.

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And even beyond allowed to, that most women, let's say most women, had the financial stability

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to do so.

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And now you're looking at a world where a lot of women do, not every woman, but a lot

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of women do and I think that's something to applaud.

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Yeah, equality.

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Equality.

499
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,680
All right, now back to our main topic.

500
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,840
And back to our scheduled episode.

501
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:53,960
So another article that I read, it's from Diana Lee Matthews and it's her website is

502
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:54,960
dianaleematthews.com.

503
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,800
I read a little bit about her.

504
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:03,520
I'm not really sure if she lands on the more conservative side or not, but she has a pretty

505
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,520
robust blog and she-

506
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,440
That's how I take my coffee.

507
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,560
Robust.

508
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:16,160
So she has a series called Mothers of the Bible and one of them is Bathsheba.

509
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,960
Now there are just a couple of things that I want to highlight.

510
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,920
Her overall article is pretty solid.

511
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,320
She talks about Bathsheba's whole story.

512
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:30,680
She also goes into after David dies and Solomon takes over as king, etc.

513
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:36,560
But a couple of things that I want to point out is one, the pictures that she uses.

514
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,320
Now she does not say where these come from.

515
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,040
I don't know exactly where she got them from.

516
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:46,760
A lot of them I was noticing on the YouTube videos I was watching today were AI.

517
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,480
Oh, well this would have been before AI.

518
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:50,480
This was 2017.

519
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:51,480
Seven whole years ago.

520
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:56,400
Far, far in the past.

521
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:57,760
So I'm going to show these to Brie right now.

522
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,240
She has not seen them.

523
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,200
What in the heck?

524
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,960
So the first one is Bathsheba standing-

525
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,400
This looks like a flanograph.

526
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:09,400
Is that what they call it?

527
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:10,400
Flan-o-graph.

528
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,400
What is a flanograph?

529
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,520
It's a flanograph.

530
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:17,520
So the first picture-

531
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:18,520
I've seen that picture.

532
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,520
I literally think that's a flanograph.

533
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,160
That's not a flanograph, you weirdo.

534
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:28,880
No, I'm like 50% positive that's a flanograph.

535
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,440
Well I've seen that picture before.

536
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:37,960
So the first picture is Bathsheba standing just sort of out in the middle of wherever

537
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:42,920
and she's covering up her boobs with her hair and her arms and her bath is just out in the

538
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:50,960
middle of nowhere and she's like got her head off to the side and she's very clearly being

539
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,720
seductive and you can see David very nearby.

540
00:28:54,720 --> 00:29:01,240
I mean like he's 50 yards away staring her down and if you were this woman in this picture

541
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,520
you would absolutely know that that man was staring at you.

542
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:11,000
The second picture is then I assume a similar- it's supposed to be the same moment and she's

543
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:16,920
stepping into the largest bathtub that's ever existed or an actual pool.

544
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,440
I don't think they remember what the Bible times were like.

545
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:20,440
This person didn't.

546
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,900
Because she was the wife of a soldier.

547
00:29:23,900 --> 00:29:25,920
She wasn't like royalty.

548
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,400
No, and nobody had this anyway.

549
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:29,400
This is a pool.

550
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:30,400
She's literally stepping into a pool.

551
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,120
An Olympic sized swimming pool bare naked.

552
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,160
And she's- he's staring at her.

553
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:41,320
And again very close by the woman in this picture would have known that someone was

554
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:42,320
staring at her.

555
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:47,960
I just want everybody to know that I just googled Beth Sheba flannel graph and nothing

556
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,240
popped up.

557
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:55,880
So Bree's 50% chance when she says later on 50-50 ignore her.

558
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,920
I was in the wrong.

559
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,720
So then another couple things that I want to point out here.

560
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:07,400
One of the things that she says is we do not know how innocent or complacent Bath Sheba

561
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,540
is in her affair with David.

562
00:30:09,540 --> 00:30:12,440
Most likely she is given no choice.

563
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,400
And I think that's how a lot of Christians approach it.

564
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:17,640
Like well we just don't know.

565
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,000
The Bible doesn't say for sure.

566
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,000
I think it does.

567
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,000
It does.

568
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,240
It says he went and got her.

569
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,720
Yeah, let's just end this argument right here.

570
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,560
The Bible itself, not just Alyssa and Brianna sitting here.

571
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,080
The Bible tells you what happened.

572
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:41,500
You have to be in full denial to not recognize that that is what the Bible says is happening.

573
00:30:41,500 --> 00:30:50,160
If today you were sitting in your room and literally in your room in your house and two

574
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:58,800
people from the government, two FBI agents show up at your door and they say, hey, the

575
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,520
president would like to see you.

576
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,080
And then you, do you have an option there?

577
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:06,080
Do you have an option to say-

578
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:07,440
They've literally come into your home.

579
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:08,440
No thank you.

580
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,960
No, they're taking you whether you like it or not.

581
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:17,060
Right there at that moment, you are at no fault for what's about to happen.

582
00:31:17,060 --> 00:31:18,060
Just right there.

583
00:31:18,060 --> 00:31:19,060
Just right there.

584
00:31:19,060 --> 00:31:20,640
Forget the rest of the story.

585
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:21,640
Exactly.

586
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,920
Where David is a peeping Tom.

587
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:24,920
He's a peeping Tom.

588
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:25,920
Where he's being a creeper.

589
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:26,920
He's a liar.

590
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:27,920
He's a murderer.

591
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:37,480
I understand that it's easy to defend him because it makes your life easier.

592
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:43,520
It makes your faith a little bit easier potentially because you don't have to work out why does

593
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,700
God say this is a man after God's own heart?

594
00:31:45,700 --> 00:31:48,500
Why does he write several portions of the Bible?

595
00:31:48,500 --> 00:31:50,560
You don't have to figure that out.

596
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:58,760
But one of the quotes that I found I believe from Rachel said that it costs you nothing

597
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,600
to defend the abuser.

598
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,000
It costs you nothing.

599
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:09,200
It costs you something oftentimes to defend the abused.

600
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:14,760
And so it's going to cost us something in this scenario to defend Bathsheba.

601
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:20,480
It's going to cost us some confusion about our faith.

602
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,200
It's going to cost us some questions.

603
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:26,000
It's going to cost us talking to God about really hard stuff.

604
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:34,360
I think your faith cannot grow and mature and you can't have a real relationship with

605
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,760
God unless you start to question some things.

606
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:43,600
You start to really dig deep into why do I believe this?

607
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,560
Why do I have faith in heaven and God and Jesus?

608
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:48,860
You have to question things.

609
00:32:48,860 --> 00:32:51,040
And I think God encourages it.

610
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,520
I've had a lot of periods in my life of...

611
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,840
I've also had a lot of periods.

612
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,760
How often are we going to mention our periods?

613
00:32:58,760 --> 00:32:59,760
It's a lot at this point.

614
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:00,760
Sorry, Dad.

615
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:08,840
No, but I've had a lot of times in my life where I've struggled with my faith.

616
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:09,840
Where I've either...

617
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:14,760
I don't think I've ever not believed in any sort of God, but either believed that God

618
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,400
was not good or things like that.

619
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,440
Where I've just really struggled with that.

620
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:28,200
I was taught by churches, by many people, to not question too hard your faith.

621
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:33,360
Don't ask those big questions because then you might walk away from your faith completely.

622
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:38,840
I was thinking about this story the other day and asking some really big questions.

623
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,160
I had that feeling of like, oh, shouldn't do that.

624
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,480
Like that stopping yourself moment.

625
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,320
I just felt this...I know this is going to sound weird, okay guys?

626
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:51,400
But I just felt like God was telling me, you can question me.

627
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:52,840
I'll hold up.

628
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,080
That's not weird.

629
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:55,080
This is a Christian podcast.

630
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,960
You're not familiar with the faith.

631
00:33:58,960 --> 00:33:59,960
Of the faith.

632
00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:04,500
No, but I really felt like God was like, I'll hold up.

633
00:34:04,500 --> 00:34:07,160
You can ask all the hard questions.

634
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,540
Faith is called faith for a reason.

635
00:34:09,540 --> 00:34:12,240
It means that you don't have all the answers.

636
00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:14,320
It doesn't mean that you have all the proof.

637
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,520
You can still have faith and you can still have questions.

638
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:24,280
Some of these questions we're not going to get answers to until we meet Jesus.

639
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,400
Hopefully sooner rather than later.

640
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:27,400
Well you are 97.

641
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:28,400
I am 97.

642
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,560
I'm not sure how much longer it's going to last.

643
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,840
I'm barely able to turn my head to breathe.

644
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,640
Someone's going to actually believe that at some point.

645
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:35,640
They're going to be concerned.

646
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,160
I look good for 97.

647
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:38,760
You do look great for 97.

648
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,480
You don't look great for...

649
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:41,840
Zip it.

650
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,320
And I do.

651
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,040
Thank you very much.

652
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,300
So that was all I wanted to go into on that one.

653
00:34:49,300 --> 00:34:52,640
So I'm going to read a couple of quotes and talk about them.

654
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:53,640
I wish you would.

655
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:54,640
I will.

656
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,200
I love when people read to me.

657
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:57,200
I know you do.

658
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:58,200
You really do.

659
00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:59,200
It's kind of strange.

660
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:00,200
I don't have to do anything else.

661
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:01,200
I don't have to focus on anything else.

662
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:02,200
Okay, just sit and listen.

663
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,200
All right, well listen, it's a one sentence thing.

664
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:09,840
So one of the quotes that I found, it said, stop gaslighting people with Goliath's death

665
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,200
while Bathsheba is killing you.

666
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,400
So I'm not exactly sure.

667
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:16,400
I think it's...

668
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:17,400
That's a lot of words.

669
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,440
I need you to break that down for me.

670
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:27,240
I think essentially they're saying he was writing the fame and the like, oh look, God

671
00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:32,280
wants to use me of Goliath's death from when he was younger.

672
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:33,280
Right.

673
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:34,340
I forget that those are the same people.

674
00:35:34,340 --> 00:35:35,460
It is.

675
00:35:35,460 --> 00:35:36,460
And then...

676
00:35:36,460 --> 00:35:37,460
It is.

677
00:35:37,460 --> 00:35:38,460
Shut up.

678
00:35:38,460 --> 00:35:41,040
I'm just going to continue that sentence and it's going nowhere.

679
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:48,680
And then in modern day, Bathsheba's existence, I guess, is killing him.

680
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:55,040
But the reality is, again, we use her name here instead of saying your sin is killing

681
00:35:55,040 --> 00:36:02,020
you, your lust is killing you, your stupidity is killing you.

682
00:36:02,020 --> 00:36:05,360
We use her name as though it's her fault.

683
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,120
I saw another YouTube video today.

684
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:09,560
I was looking at all of them.

685
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,880
It was like, Bathsheba, victim or villain?

686
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,960
Is that even a question?

687
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,280
I think unfortunately it is something that people are asking.

688
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:25,520
That video did say victim, but to even put that as a question is disgusting.

689
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:26,520
Right.

690
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:31,840
Well, I think people are right now trying to use it as like a buzz phrase to get you

691
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,080
to click on it.

692
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:38,500
But the unfortunate reality is the reason that that can happen is because she's been

693
00:36:38,500 --> 00:36:43,400
turned into the villain in the past for countless years at this point.

694
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:44,400
And how often...

695
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:49,760
I know that we've said this a million times in all of our other Bathsheba podcasts, but

696
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:56,600
how many times in modern day are we villainizing women for being victims?

697
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:57,600
All the time.

698
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:58,600
All the time.

699
00:36:58,600 --> 00:36:59,740
Her dress was too short.

700
00:36:59,740 --> 00:37:01,120
She was asking for it.

701
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:02,760
Did you see how low cut her top was?

702
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,160
She was walking in the wrong part of town.

703
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,560
She was drunk.

704
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:14,840
Just the argument of whether or not she was naked is the same argument as what was she

705
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:15,840
wearing.

706
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:16,840
Right.

707
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:17,840
Do you shower naked?

708
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,280
I mean, when I was a kid I used to wear my socks in the shower because I thought I was

709
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,280
being rebellious.

710
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:23,280
What?

711
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:24,280
I don't know.

712
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,320
I was a weird kid.

713
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,360
Not all the time.

714
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:29,440
Just sometimes.

715
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:34,000
You know, I think I know everything about you and then you spit stuff like that out.

716
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,040
You never wore your socks in the shower just to see how it felt?

717
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:41,000
You have an utter terror of wet socks.

718
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,000
Partially wet socks.

719
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,000
But if they're fully submerged, it's fine.

720
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,160
It's the same sensation across all your feet.

721
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:48,880
I don't think so.

722
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,680
I worry about you.

723
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:51,680
Deeply.

724
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,560
I worry about myself too.

725
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,340
Anyway.

726
00:37:56,340 --> 00:38:01,800
Starting off that same vein, one of the things that I found was called Bathsheba Syndrome.

727
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,960
Like the villain from The Incredibles?

728
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:04,960
No.

729
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:05,960
Syndrome.

730
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:07,200
But that was a good movie.

731
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:08,520
I think they're making a part three.

732
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:09,520
What?

733
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:10,520
Yeah.

734
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:11,840
I think they announced that at D23.

735
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:17,720
Which is Disney Comic Con for those of you who are not fully Disney adults.

736
00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:18,940
Anyway.

737
00:38:18,940 --> 00:38:21,640
So Bathsheba Syndrome.

738
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,240
I had never heard of this.

739
00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:26,440
So I don't know that this is the most mainstream term in the world.

740
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,120
Let me guess what it is.

741
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:29,200
Hang on.

742
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,240
You shower naked.

743
00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:33,280
Yes.

744
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:34,280
So you all have it.

745
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:35,280
Except for Brianna.

746
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:36,280
Bathsheba Syndrome.

747
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,520
Who showers with their socks on.

748
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:39,520
Not now.

749
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,000
Only when I was a child.

750
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,000
That doesn't make it better.

751
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:44,000
You weirdo.

752
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,380
I'm not weird.

753
00:38:46,380 --> 00:38:47,380
Someone out there will really.

754
00:38:47,380 --> 00:38:48,740
No, they won't.

755
00:38:48,740 --> 00:38:50,120
So Bathsheba Syndrome.

756
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:54,400
Like I said, I don't think this is a super common term, but it was one that I came across

757
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,160
in my research.

758
00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:02,280
And primarily used for religious leaders, but I think it could be used for any leaders.

759
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:08,520
Google says Bathsheba Syndrome is a term used to describe the ethical failures of successful

760
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:12,400
leaders who are unable to deal with the consequences of their success.

761
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:13,400
What?

762
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:18,520
The term comes from the story of King David, which is familiar in many traditions.

763
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,280
Why are we calling it Bathsheba Syndrome?

764
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,240
Because I don't know.

765
00:39:23,240 --> 00:39:26,400
So essentially it's describing.

766
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:27,400
David.

767
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:28,400
David.

768
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:35,960
But because we have to put it on the woman all the time, we call it Bathsheba Syndrome.

769
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:36,960
Now.

770
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,200
Is it just because her name was more fun to say than David?

771
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:41,200
I mean.

772
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,320
Ew, David.

773
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,760
I think David Syndrome might be a little bit confusing.

774
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:53,640
However, Bathsheba Syndrome absolutely makes it sound like she's at fault.

775
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,080
She's causing the problem.

776
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,000
She has created an issue.

777
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,000
She caused her brother in Christ to stumble.

778
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:05,040
I want to do a whole episode on that.

779
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,400
I want to do five episodes on that.

780
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,840
You know, it'd be a good song to go with all of that.

781
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:10,840
You got me trippin.

782
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:11,840
Ooh, stumbling.

783
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:12,840
Ooh, man, man.

784
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:13,840
Now you guys.

785
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:14,840
That's Fergalicious.

786
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:15,840
Nope, it's Fergie.

787
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:16,840
Just in general.

788
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:17,840
It's called Clumsy.

789
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:18,840
Fergalicious is another song.

790
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:19,840
Oh, good.

791
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:20,840
By Fergie.

792
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:25,840
So I just thought that was kind of insane.

793
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:26,840
Yeah.

794
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:33,680
That everywhere this poor woman is depicted, whether it's in art, whether it's in classic

795
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,040
literature, there's actually a movie I found as well.

796
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,040
Like from.

797
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:39,040
I want to say it's the 50s.

798
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:40,040
The 50s?

799
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:41,040
They weren't allowed to do that in the 50s.

800
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,040
You couldn't be nude on TV.

801
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:43,040
They didn't have nude on TV.

802
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,040
They didn't have that in the 50s.

803
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:47,040
You couldn't be nude on TV.

804
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:48,040
They didn't have Netflix back then.

805
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:49,720
Oh, another quote on the similar vein.

806
00:40:49,720 --> 00:40:53,840
David defeated Goliath but lost to Bathsheba.

807
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,480
Our real giants are the desires we haven't killed yet.

808
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,400
But it's not Goliath.

809
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,960
What?

810
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:02,960
I want to point out.

811
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:04,520
She wasn't looking to take him down.

812
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,240
She was looking to take up Earth.

813
00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:10,480
I also want to point out that it says we haven't killed yet.

814
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:11,520
Oh, good.

815
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:16,880
We've talked before about how when you look at the risk for men versus women when it comes

816
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:22,640
to rejection, when it comes to any of these things, oftentimes, not always, but oftentimes

817
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:28,680
the risk for men in putting themselves out there or in telling their story or in whatever

818
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,680
is pretty simply rejection.

819
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:33,920
I'm not saying for every moment.

820
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:34,920
I'm not saying.

821
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:35,920
A little bit of hurt ego.

822
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:36,920
Yeah.

823
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,800
I'm not saying rejection is not difficult in certain circumstances.

824
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:43,680
But you compare that with the risks for women and it's right in this quote.

825
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,720
It's right here.

826
00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:47,880
We're trying to stay alive.

827
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,960
Our risk is death.

828
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:54,360
How often are you watching the news and you hear something tragic that happens?

829
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,000
You know, XYZ that you see on the news.

830
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,560
Terrible, horrible things.

831
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:04,920
How often are you seeing a woman being the main villain?

832
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:09,240
And it does happen and it does happen occasionally.

833
00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:13,760
It's like, whoa, that's crazy.

834
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,880
It's shocking.

835
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:24,600
It's not shocking for a man to murder his wife or his girlfriend or go crazy in a grocery

836
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,720
store or school.

837
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:32,360
It's just why are we always accepting that men are so violent?

838
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:37,360
You know, how do we flip the script?

839
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,920
How can women become more violent?

840
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:48,320
I think it's as I look through all of, I've got a bunch of screenshots here and it's David

841
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,240
sin with Bathsheba.

842
00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:55,520
That's one of the titles of a sermon that was against, right?

843
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,080
How about many things?

844
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:07,360
It's just, it becomes abundantly clear that as Christians we are working overtime to keep

845
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:11,080
David clean.

846
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,960
To keep his story pure.

847
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,360
But the Bible isn't doing that.

848
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:24,480
Even modern day, and like I said, it's not popular to anymore blame her because-

849
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,200
Because we're getting woke.

850
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:34,080
Well, at least on the internet, people are trying not to seem quite as bad.

851
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,680
So this is a quote from Baptist News Global.

852
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,920
My favorite.

853
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:47,080
And it's a quote that they are just describing something.

854
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:52,320
So it says male dominated cultures like Bathsheba's and our own teach women that they are responsible

855
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,600
for men's lust.

856
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,960
Women may think and may have been told that their behavior evokes this response in men.

857
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,160
Somehow they have telegraphed availability messages.

858
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:07,080
As a consequence, when men lust after them, some women feel guilty.

859
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:11,280
Somehow they think they have caused the sexual harassment, the unwanted sexual come ons or

860
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,280
touching or even the rape.

861
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:18,340
Do you think they feel that way maybe because society tells them they're at fault?

862
00:44:18,340 --> 00:44:22,120
The church tells them they are at fault?

863
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:27,720
They tell them that the very sight of their bra straps could cause their brother in crisis

864
00:44:27,720 --> 00:44:30,120
to stumble?

865
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:35,440
One of the articles that I read as well was saying that maybe part of the reason that

866
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:40,520
these megachurch pastors are so quick to defend David and pretend that this is not a story

867
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:48,560
of what it is, is because think of how many of those pastors have maybe not- some of them

868
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:55,640
have done such an extreme act against women, but many, many, many of them have been accused

869
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,080
of terrible things against women.

870
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,340
I mean just a couple of weeks ago.

871
00:45:00,340 --> 00:45:04,920
We heard from people in our own community.

872
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:09,600
So if you think about the fact that there's an ulterior motive here.

873
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,340
Yeah, of course.

874
00:45:11,340 --> 00:45:16,400
If they make him look a little less guilty, they don't feel as guilty themselves and they

875
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,860
can write off a lot of wrongdoings of their own.

876
00:45:19,860 --> 00:45:21,680
Because this was a man after God's own heart.

877
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,680
Yes, and so am I.

878
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:24,680
Right.

879
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:31,000
And if God was willing to excuse David's sin, then well, mine's probably fine also.

880
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:35,760
And turns out I can do whatever I want if I just ask for forgiveness.

881
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:41,360
The more you look into it, and we've really researched this story, okay?

882
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:42,920
To death.

883
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,760
It's only two chapters of the Bible, guys.

884
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,080
We've really researched this story.

885
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:56,440
And it becomes so painfully clear that anyone defending David in this story is wrong.

886
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:57,440
Is wrong?

887
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,440
And is not reading their Bible.

888
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:00,440
No.

889
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,200
God is not defending David in this story.

890
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:08,000
It's almost like, you know when you're talking to someone and rather than listening to you,

891
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,000
they're thinking about how they're going to respond.

892
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,360
That's how people read their Bibles half the time.

893
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:14,360
That's good.

894
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:15,360
I know.

895
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,800
It's the wine.

896
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,720
They're not actually reading to learn from God.

897
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:27,320
They're learning to excuse themselves.

898
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:28,320
Or find a loophole.

899
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:29,320
Yeah.

900
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,520
How can I use this passage of the Bible?

901
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:36,040
I've been watching, I'm sure I've said this before, but I've been watching a lot of Mormon

902
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:37,040
content on YouTube.

903
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:44,200
Between you and Mom, I'm convinced you're going to become a Mormon in Mom's Anomachy.

904
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:45,520
I'm very confused.

905
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:50,200
Well, I've been watching, if it helps, ex-Mormon content.

906
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:54,680
And I'm just fascinated by the Mormon Church.

907
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,080
It's very different from anything that I grew up with.

908
00:46:58,080 --> 00:46:59,560
It's interesting.

909
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:06,000
And they talk a lot about the fact that it's a high control religion.

910
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,360
And so people are always trying to find loopholes.

911
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:18,280
Because if it doesn't exactly say you can't do this specific thing, then it must be fine.

912
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,920
And I think that Christians are often doing the same thing.

913
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,600
100%.

914
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,440
And I wouldn't necessarily consider Christianity a high control religion.

915
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:32,800
Now you may disagree with me on that, but when I look at Christianity I see-

916
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,520
Compared to other religions.

917
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:35,520
Sure.

918
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,400
I see choices.

919
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:43,400
God's not about to kick you out of the church because you sin, because you do this, because

920
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:44,400
you do that.

921
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:45,400
There's not a list of rules.

922
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:49,320
Whereas, actually, with Mormonism there is a list of rules that you then can't enter

923
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,160
the temple if you've broken them.

924
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,760
I don't see that happening in Christianity.

925
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,880
Now there may be certain spaces in Christianity where that's happening.

926
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:05,960
But I think because we like to do our own thing, follow our own rules, whatever, we

927
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:07,400
do try and find those loopholes.

928
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:12,360
Some people use this story, certainly, as a loophole.

929
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,200
How can I get out of doing what God tells me to do?

930
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:19,600
How can I excuse my own horrific behavior against women?

931
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,720
Well, David did it.

932
00:48:21,720 --> 00:48:23,120
So it's probably fine.

933
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:24,120
It's probably fine.

934
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,880
He was a man after God's own heart, so I can do what I want.

935
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,080
And we'll just forget that chapter 12 where anything comes in.

936
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:34,840
And maybe that's not conscious thoughts, but it's all these little things that you're being

937
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:40,560
taught in church or not being taught in church that add up to that conclusion in your head.

938
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:42,760
But it's okay.

939
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:44,040
Whatever I'm doing is fine.

940
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:48,820
Well, think of also, we talk a lot about making the women of the Bible real, turning them

941
00:48:48,820 --> 00:48:58,400
into real people, real women that have female experiences and fears and rage.

942
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,040
And I think in churches we do sometimes get that with the men of the Bible.

943
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,200
To me, David feels like a real person.

944
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:05,960
Paul feels like a real person.

945
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:11,160
These men of the Bible, I've heard enough about them that they feel like real people.

946
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:15,480
But how often have you heard this story told where Bathsheba becomes a real person to you?

947
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:16,480
Never.

948
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:17,480
Literally never.

949
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,160
Not until now.

950
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:23,240
Because she's not the important part of her own story.

951
00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:29,480
But if we make her into a real person, now we can follow what the Bible has actually

952
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:33,600
said, which is she was a victim.

953
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,400
She was told to show up.

954
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,240
She was not loved by her husband.

955
00:49:39,240 --> 00:49:44,520
There's not even, and some of the resources that I was looking at said, oh, and she was

956
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,720
able to forgive him for his sin as well.

957
00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:49,520
And then they had this great connection after that and blah, blah, blah.

958
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:50,800
But that is not in the Bible.

959
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,760
It's super not.

960
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:59,240
And I think we have to assume based on David's relationships with his other wives that we

961
00:49:59,240 --> 00:50:05,760
aren't really seeing at all and the fact that David was a relatively selfish person, that

962
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:11,240
they probably didn't have much of a relationship at all moving forward.

963
00:50:11,240 --> 00:50:17,640
So this was a woman who had been raped, whose husband had been murdered, who then had to

964
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:27,600
marry the man that raped her, lost her son because of her now husband's sin against her.

965
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,960
And then she has to stay married to this man.

966
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,080
And we don't know what kind of relationship they have.

967
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:37,280
This is going off of the fact that we don't know, the fact that there's no talk of it.

968
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:42,160
I think if it was important enough, it would be in the Bible.

969
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:47,640
It would say, and Bathsheba forgave David and they lived happily ever after.

970
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,800
Because that would be an important part of the story.

971
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:50,800
But it's not there.

972
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:51,800
It's not there.

973
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:58,560
Now, she does have a really incredible after he dies part of her story, because she was

974
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,400
probably significantly younger than he was.

975
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:01,400
So he died.

976
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:02,400
Ha ha.

977
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:03,960
And then she keeps going.

978
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,840
But she was a real person with this real story.

979
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:15,720
And I think until she becomes that real person for you, it is really hard to see that she

980
00:51:15,720 --> 00:51:17,460
was a victim here.

981
00:51:17,460 --> 00:51:22,520
But as we close out this part of the series, now we'll again talk about the rest of her

982
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,440
story and her children and David's children.

983
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,960
Yay, Brie, for more research.

984
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:28,960
Woo!

985
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,340
So we'll go into that next week.

986
00:51:31,340 --> 00:51:38,440
But just as we close out this part of her story, I hope that she's become real to all

987
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:39,680
of you.

988
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:46,400
I hope that you can move forward with her story and ask really hard questions yourselves.

989
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,280
I don't want to answer those questions for you.

990
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,720
No, I'm not here to do that.

991
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:51,720
Start researching.

992
00:51:51,720 --> 00:51:52,840
Start asking big questions.

993
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:59,760
Start asking them of the people in your life, of the Bible, of God, of the internet, if

994
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:01,720
that's helpful for you.

995
00:52:01,720 --> 00:52:07,360
Read these stories in the Bible with no expectations, no other preconceived notions.

996
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:13,680
Just read what the actual words say and try to come to some conclusions on your own too.

997
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,600
Read it in multiple different versions, like Elyssa did.

998
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,280
I wrote it in a lot of versions.

999
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,120
And I think God will speak to you in that.

1000
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,640
God will meet you right there.

1001
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:31,440
And if that happens for you or if you have questions, please reach out to us.

1002
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:32,440
We would love to hear them.

1003
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,000
We would love to talk about them.

1004
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,440
We might not have all the answers, but we can talk.

1005
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:38,520
We can talk.

1006
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:39,520
We will talk.

1007
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,920
And we can research.

1008
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:42,920
I can research.

1009
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:43,920
I'll send you a TikTok.

1010
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:44,920
Briel will send you a TikTok.

1011
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:49,520
All right, guys, I want to go to bed.

1012
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:50,520
Wait.

1013
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,080
Um, are you from?

1014
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:53,080
Oh no.

1015
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:54,080
Thailand?

1016
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:55,080
Okay.

1017
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:56,080
Thailand!

1018
00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:00,120
I like your food.

1019
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,120
They do have good food.

1020
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:08,360
So if you're from Thailand and you would like to listen about females, faith, and feminism,

1021
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,400
and sisters, and wine.

1022
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:11,400
And periods.

1023
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:12,400
And periods.

1024
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:13,400
That's it.

1025
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:19,200
If you would like to listen to us.

1026
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:23,200
You guys can also follow us on TikTok and Instagram.

1027
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:27,040
On TikTok we are we.r.more4.

1028
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,400
Just search the hashtag we are more.

1029
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,720
And I don't really know what, search the hashtag we are more on Instagram too.

1030
00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:35,240
I would have to look up what our technical username is.

1031
00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:36,240
I don't know.

1032
00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:37,240
We are more something.

1033
00:53:37,240 --> 00:53:41,600
But we do a lot of previews over there and we love to get any of your feedback.

1034
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,400
We've been getting some great feedback lately and maybe we'll have a whole episode where

1035
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:46,400
we get to talk about it.

1036
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,120
But we have talked about a couple little things.

1037
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,720
A little bit of here and there.

1038
00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:53,520
So if you have any questions or comments.

1039
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:54,760
Concerns?

1040
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,000
I have many concerns.

1041
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,040
Where do I, do you have an inbox I can send them to?

1042
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,040
Yeah, it's called shutup.com.

1043
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:07,600
All right, we'll see you guys next week for part four.

1044
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:08,600
Goodbye!

1045
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:09,600
I love you.

1046
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,600
Bye!