1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,760 Welcome to the We Are More podcast. 2 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:15,600 My name is Alyssa. 3 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:16,600 And my name is Bri. 4 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,600 We are two sisters passionate about all things faith and feminism. 5 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:25,520 We believe that Jesus trusted, respected, and encouraged women to teach and preach His 6 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:26,520 word. 7 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:28,720 And apparently that's controversial. 8 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:30,520 But comfy. 9 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:38,960 Can I be a feminist yet? 10 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:39,960 Hey everybody. 11 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,480 So that was my daughter. 12 00:00:42,480 --> 00:00:46,440 She's so excited that she got to be on the podcast. 13 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,640 She's like, I'm famous. 14 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,720 She has been begging to be on the podcast since we started. 15 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:57,440 And just for privacy concerns, it's not my favorite thing in the world. 16 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:59,560 But you don't know her name, so it's fine. 17 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:00,560 So haha. 18 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:06,440 So today we're going to be talking about imposter syndrome. 19 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,120 I think we're talking about several different things. 20 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:16,400 We're talking about the idea of becoming a feminist or deciding that you're a feminist 21 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,480 and kind of the journey to get there. 22 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:26,640 And some of, yeah, imposter syndrome and some other things we'll learn about with us. 23 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:33,280 I think for me, I really struggled with the term feminist. 24 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:39,160 I know when I was younger, I mean still an adult, but younger than the elderly age I 25 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:40,160 am now. 26 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,680 You are very decrepit and ancient. 27 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:43,680 Thank you. 28 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:45,800 I'm not saying that I'm not. 29 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:47,360 It's just the group of us. 30 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:51,760 I mean, I'm 98, which makes you 110. 31 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,600 Shut up. 32 00:01:54,600 --> 00:02:03,040 I remember telling mom that if I had grown up differently, I would be such a big feminist. 33 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,840 And I remember her laughing and saying, oh, I know you would be. 34 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:11,960 And at the time, it was still like, oh, feminist is such a dirty word. 35 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,280 I would never define myself that way. 36 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:15,280 I know. 37 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,580 Because people don't realize that when you're in that really conservative Christian world, 38 00:02:19,580 --> 00:02:21,420 that is kind of a dirty word. 39 00:02:21,420 --> 00:02:33,000 The whole idea of equality is taboo because they think the stereotypical raging feminist, 40 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:37,560 like burn your bra, all men deserve to die, kind of. 41 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,400 Can I say that on the podcast? 42 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,000 We've said many other things. 43 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,960 That's the tamest of the things we've said. 44 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:49,360 Which in my view is not true feminism. 45 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:53,560 Because feminism at its core is everybody is equal. 46 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,480 I don't think that men are terrible. 47 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:57,240 We made a whole podcast about that. 48 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:58,240 We did. 49 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:02,320 If you want to listen to it later, it's called Why We Don't Hate Men. 50 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,520 That's a good one. 51 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:06,520 You know what? 52 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:07,520 I don't remember it. 53 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,560 It was a lot of episodes ago. 54 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:14,720 Guys, as a review, this is why we don't say what episode number it is. 55 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:15,720 We have no idea. 56 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,240 We are always confused. 57 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:24,440 And I never, like you edit the podcast, so you do listen back to them, but I never ever 58 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,080 listen back. 59 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,080 I don't want to remember my stupidity. 60 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:31,080 I have fun. 61 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:36,680 I said you're like cracking up and Nathan will come upstairs and be like, are you okay? 62 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,440 Yeah, I'm just laughing at myself. 63 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:39,440 It's totally fine. 64 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,080 It's normal and natural and I'm vain. 65 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:43,360 Yeah, we're hilarious. 66 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,240 It's great. 67 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:49,560 But I think the reason that we wanted to talk about imposter syndrome and why it boils down 68 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:59,800 to that concept is just because of this idea that as we jumped into the feminist world 69 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:06,720 and out of the more conservative side of Christianity, we still obviously have faith and consider 70 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,040 ourselves Christians. 71 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:17,520 But as we deconstruct and move into a different phase, it's almost like we don't have a place 72 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,320 anywhere. 73 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:24,960 Because the feminist community is like, why are you still in church? 74 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:28,440 But the church people are like, why are you a feminist? 75 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:34,360 Yeah, it's very difficult to find a home anywhere. 76 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:39,440 And that's really discouraging and I think that's a big part of why a lot of Christians 77 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:45,960 struggle with considering themselves feminists or a lot of people of faith in general and 78 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:51,000 why a lot of feminists stay away from faith. 79 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,480 Because it seems like these two things cannot go together. 80 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,120 Like oil and water. 81 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:57,120 Yes. 82 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:04,240 But is it that or is it that somebody along the line created that narrative to stop Christians 83 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:09,280 from seeking this out, from seeking out equality, from finding this? 84 00:05:09,280 --> 00:05:14,680 Because when you look back, like the first feminists were Christians, I would think that 85 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:16,200 Jesus would be a feminist. 86 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,720 He trusted and respected all kinds of women throughout the Bible. 87 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:25,200 He treated them different from how the rest of the world were treating women. 88 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,920 And that should say something that should open people's eyes. 89 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:34,520 Yeah, if we're truly following Jesus, we forget so often who Jesus was. 90 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:41,000 We quoted a really terrible megachurch pastor a couple episodes ago, I think, who basically 91 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:46,440 said that Jesus needs to be a tough man for him to respect him or whatever. 92 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:53,960 But the reality of Jesus was that he was kind and loving and gentle for the most part. 93 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:58,120 Now there were moments where that, you know, where he flipped the tables. 94 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:03,760 But that wasn't necessarily who he was on a normal basis. 95 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:05,560 We all flip a table eventually. 96 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:09,800 I saw a sticker, I think I told you about this, but I saw a sticker on Facebook, it 97 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:15,320 was advertised to me and it said, stop trying to sit at the tables Jesus flipped. 98 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,020 I love that so much. 99 00:06:17,020 --> 00:06:18,080 Like let that sink in. 100 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,400 Let's have a moment of silence. 101 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,400 We don't know how to do that. 102 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,880 Did you experience that? 103 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:27,880 Think about that quote. 104 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,520 I need you to know that was less than a second of silence. 105 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,000 That's enough silence. 106 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,640 Nobody wants to listen to silence. 107 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,960 That's not why you tune in here. 108 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,120 We're only six minutes in and we are so on track. 109 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:40,440 I'm really proud of us. 110 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:41,560 I'm so proud. 111 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:43,600 Is it because it's really hot in this room? 112 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:44,600 It's hot. 113 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:48,560 Everybody's probably sitting there like, okay, what is wrong with them? 114 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,240 And then it's gonna hit winter and we'll be like, it's so cold, it's terrible. 115 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:53,880 I'm miserable. 116 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:59,400 Although at least we can close the windows in the winter and maybe keep in some warmth. 117 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:00,400 Perhaps. 118 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:01,400 Sarah Bessie. 119 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:02,400 We love her. 120 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,880 I don't know that we've talked about Sarah Bessie a ton. 121 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:06,880 Not a ton. 122 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:08,680 Not like Beth Ellison Barr, our best friend. 123 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,280 We do talk about her a lot. 124 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:15,440 Sarah Bessie is the author of Jesus Feminist. 125 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,040 I still need to read that. 126 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,520 It's just one of my all time favorite books. 127 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:24,320 I'm looking at it right now on the floor. 128 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:30,640 Jesus Feminist, if you haven't read it, was my introduction into calling myself a feminist 129 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:37,440 and being comfortable with that because she takes, instead of taking an extreme stance 130 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:43,600 of saying every Christian should be a feminist and blah blah blah, she takes this very loving 131 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:50,400 approach that comes from a place of understanding conservative Christianity, but also saying 132 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,560 I love you, but this is wrong. 133 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,240 This isn't what Jesus would have wanted. 134 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,000 It's beautiful. 135 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,240 Go buy it immediately. 136 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:00,240 Wonderful book. 137 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,960 She's really living out what would Jesus do, I would say. 138 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:09,520 But I read a blog that they interviewed her and she said that she is a feminist because 139 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:15,880 she follows Jesus, not in spite of, which I think is so, so powerful. 140 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:17,760 Not a lot of people would say that. 141 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:19,760 Feminists or church people. 142 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:26,920 Well, and I think we think feminism in the church is a new concept and it's definitely 143 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:33,000 gaining popularity in a huge way, but it's not new at the same time because you look 144 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,760 back and there's all kinds of, I actually just bought a book. 145 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,360 We've been really working on our Instagram lately and so we've been following quite a 146 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:40,560 few people. 147 00:08:40,560 --> 00:08:41,560 All of the people. 148 00:08:41,560 --> 00:08:43,880 All of the people. 149 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:51,440 And somebody posted about this book and it's called All Were Meant to Be, A Biblical Approach 150 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:53,920 to Women's Liberation. 151 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:59,120 And this book was published in 1975. 152 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,800 A good year. 153 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,040 But I think that just goes to show, and this is not the only example of that, and I haven't 154 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:06,040 read it yet. 155 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:07,040 I just ordered it. 156 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:08,800 So we'll see how it is. 157 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:15,280 But it's an example of the fact that women, Christian women, have been fighting for equality 158 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:16,280 for a long time. 159 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,840 This is not a new concept. 160 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,000 And here we are, furthering the cause. 161 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:22,000 In 2024. 162 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:23,000 An election year. 163 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:24,000 So unfortunate. 164 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:25,000 So many signs out. 165 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:26,000 I'm so tired of the signs. 166 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:27,000 Oh my gosh. 167 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:34,280 It's like there's a billion signs as you drive down the road. 168 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:35,280 I'm scared. 169 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,320 Well, in our area too, there's, I don't know. 170 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,960 These people must all be running as a group for something. 171 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:46,200 But every time you see this sign, it's a set of three signs and they're like four signs 172 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,760 high and they've got 12 different names on them. 173 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:52,400 And I don't know how that's effective because I'm not going to remember 12 names. 174 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:53,400 Nope. 175 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:54,400 I barely remember your name. 176 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,640 I don't know my own name. 177 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:57,640 Who am I? 178 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:58,640 Where are we? 179 00:09:58,640 --> 00:09:59,640 Stop! 180 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:06,880 I really liked this other quote in this blog that I read. 181 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,120 The blog is called Girls Got Face. 182 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:11,120 Faith. 183 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:16,320 Uh oh. 184 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:20,480 But the title of the blog was like, can you be a Christian and a feminist? 185 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:26,560 And one of the lines from there is that this girl believes that there's a sliding scale 186 00:10:26,560 --> 00:10:30,120 of people's approach to feminism. 187 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:36,200 And it often leads to people thinking they're not feminist enough or not recognizing that 188 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:40,080 they're a feminist, even though they believe the things that feminists believe because 189 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:45,520 they've just been taught their whole life that being a feminist is wrong. 190 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:50,200 And I think that's kind of how I eased into it. 191 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,440 I would say fairly recently. 192 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:58,080 Just saying out loud, yes, I think I'm a feminist. 193 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:03,960 One would hope we do have a podcast called We Are More Sisters Talk Faith and Feminism. 194 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:08,040 But that's so ingrained in you that there's something wrong with that idea of feminism 195 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:13,840 that women and men are just so different and you just have to accept that they're different 196 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:15,160 and God made them different. 197 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:21,120 The reality after we've been learning more about this stuff, there's not a lot of differences 198 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,920 that are God given. 199 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:29,880 They're mostly physical, human given. 200 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:31,320 Galatians 3.28. 201 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,080 You want me to read it and stumble over it? 202 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:34,080 I would love that. 203 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:35,080 Okay. 204 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:41,000 There's neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for 205 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,280 you are all one in Christ Jesus. 206 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,800 That's it, ladies and gentlemen. 207 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,200 People use the Bible to say what they want it to say, right? 208 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:55,760 And we've talked about some translation bias before and how that affects the way that women 209 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:56,760 get treated. 210 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:05,080 But I've been reading this book and it's so if you grew up in the very conservative Christian 211 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,680 church, you probably heard of the author Grace Livingston Hill. 212 00:12:08,680 --> 00:12:09,760 Oh, Grace. 213 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:14,680 She was the Christian romance author like early 1900s. 214 00:12:14,680 --> 00:12:16,880 Sounds a little dirty. 215 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:17,880 It was not. 216 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:19,080 Let me just tell you. 217 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,840 But it was one of the few of that type of books that I was allowed to read as a kid. 218 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:28,640 So I read all kinds of her stuff and so I picked one up not too long ago and read it. 219 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:34,000 And what was really interesting to me and now this was written a very long time ago, 220 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:38,320 the time period was set where Texas was trying to break away from the rest of the United 221 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:39,320 States. 222 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,600 This ain't Texas. 223 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:42,600 I know. 224 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:43,600 Oh, down. 225 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:44,600 That's Beyonce. 226 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:45,600 I know. 227 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:51,940 But they are trying to break away from the rest of the states over the issue primarily 228 00:12:51,940 --> 00:12:53,920 of slavery. 229 00:12:53,920 --> 00:13:00,520 And in the book, all of the people that are arguing for it are using the Bible. 230 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:04,820 They're using the Bible to say slavery is okay. 231 00:13:04,820 --> 00:13:06,320 And that's not fictional. 232 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:07,320 That's real life. 233 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:08,320 That really happened. 234 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:09,320 Absolutely. 235 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:10,320 Yeah. 236 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:14,240 She's just quoting arguments that happened back at that time. 237 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,000 And just to preface this, she's very against it. 238 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:23,760 It's not like she's for any of this, but I look at it in very much the same way. 239 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:29,200 It's the modern day similar vibe, I guess. 240 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,120 There was a podcast that I listened to. 241 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:35,060 I forget the name of it, but her name is Blessing. 242 00:13:35,060 --> 00:13:39,280 And she spoke a lot about that because she's an African American woman and her mother's 243 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:40,280 from Africa. 244 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:42,000 Both her parents are from Africa. 245 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:47,360 But she dives deep into that how people would use the Bible to justify slavery. 246 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:48,360 Yeah. 247 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:54,440 And I think when you have the benefit of looking back into history and seeing all those things, 248 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:59,920 seeing that the Bible has been manipulated to say what benefited the people of the time, 249 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:06,320 the people who were in power at the time, it's pretty hard not to draw a correlation 250 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:10,760 between the two and to say women are being put down still. 251 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,320 Certainly not to the level of slavery. 252 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,360 But we as a people have decided that's no longer okay. 253 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:22,760 But why is it okay to use the Bible still to justify women's subjugation? 254 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,760 That's a big word. 255 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:26,760 Thank you. 256 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,920 I love the big words. 257 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,760 I get confused. 258 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:38,840 So Brie looked up something really interesting, just bouncing back to imposter syndrome that 259 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:43,920 women deal with because we're told we're not good enough, particularly in the church. 260 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,200 But this is a non church example. 261 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,400 I was watching a TikTok. 262 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,520 I know everybody's shocked. 263 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:54,320 If you're doing some kind of drinking game, now's your chance to take a drink because 264 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,560 I'm mentioning a TikTok. 265 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:04,080 But it was in response to actually the Harrison Butker speech. 266 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:09,120 They were like, this is what a commencement speech should sound like. 267 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:14,500 And forgive me, I don't know who she was or what college this is for. 268 00:15:14,500 --> 00:15:16,720 But I think I did share it on our TikTok. 269 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:18,040 I think I reposted it. 270 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:25,560 But she was talking about this thing called bicycle face, which was like a coined term 271 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,640 back in like the 1890s. 272 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:32,640 And she said, think back when the bicycle was first invented, do they have that big 273 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:36,040 wheel on the front and then a smaller wheel on the back? 274 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:40,360 And eventually they realized that's not the best way to ride a bike. 275 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,280 Maybe two wheels of equal size. 276 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:44,280 Equality. 277 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,080 That was the best way to do it. 278 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:53,960 So bicycles got really popular with women because it was kind of a new sense of independence. 279 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,640 They could get places, they could do their own thing. 280 00:15:57,640 --> 00:15:59,200 And the men didn't like that. 281 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:02,160 They didn't like that they were gaining independence. 282 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:06,600 In fact, some men feared that them riding the bikes kind of blurred the lines between 283 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:08,520 femininity and masculinity. 284 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,000 I know that sounds stupid now. 285 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:12,000 That was true. 286 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:18,960 So this doctor named Dr. A. Shadwell coined the term bike face and the symptoms were flushed 287 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:25,680 or pale skin, drawn lips, dark shadows under your eyes, weary expression, clenched jaw, 288 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,880 bulging eyes, contorted face. 289 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,320 Basically just exercising. 290 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,840 What I look like after I am forced to go to the gym. 291 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,440 Or when we're walking around Disney. 292 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:38,920 They're another drinking game. 293 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,000 They mentioned Disney again. 294 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:47,280 Which I'm sure men who were riding the bikes for the first time or just on a long journey, 295 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:53,260 they probably had the same symptoms but they were just using them to freak out women. 296 00:16:53,260 --> 00:16:58,280 They also said that they were concerned about their sexuality while riding the bikes. 297 00:16:58,280 --> 00:16:59,720 That was a concern for them. 298 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,000 Who knows what could happen. 299 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:08,360 So actually the doctor that disproved this whole theory was Dr. Sarah Hackett Stevenson 300 00:17:08,360 --> 00:17:09,960 out of Chicago. 301 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,200 She put the whole idea to rest. 302 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:18,120 But anyways, this TikTok that I was watching, she related this to bike face is now just 303 00:17:18,120 --> 00:17:21,440 rebranded as imposter syndrome. 304 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:26,080 Imposter syndrome is a hot button buzzword topic right now. 305 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:29,840 Everybody being utilized to keep women down. 306 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:30,840 Yeah. 307 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:37,440 Well think about what a bike meant for a woman or what it would mean now, today, for anyone 308 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:41,120 who doesn't have the freedom to do what they want to do. 309 00:17:41,120 --> 00:17:42,120 Who feels stuck. 310 00:17:42,120 --> 00:17:43,120 Right. 311 00:17:43,120 --> 00:17:50,520 It meant that they could go far away and make friends and visit them on a regular basis. 312 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:56,000 It meant that if there wasn't a job available to them in their tiny little town where they 313 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:02,320 could walk, that they had access to that job and could go to it. 314 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:06,880 That maybe their entire life didn't have to be spent in their sitting room. 315 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,480 And that's what it would mean for someone now. 316 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,840 That it opens up all of these possibilities, all of these options. 317 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,040 It opens up control of one's own life. 318 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:22,760 And I think when women get bogged down by imposter syndrome, we lose control of our 319 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,080 own lives. 320 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,440 We can't say, I want to do this. 321 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:28,880 I am going to be this. 322 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:35,080 I'm going to make something of myself because we're constantly told, well you're not good 323 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:36,760 enough to do that. 324 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:40,360 You finally get that promotion at work that you are well deserving of. 325 00:18:40,360 --> 00:18:45,960 And someone whispers in your ear, hey, imposter syndrome, you're not completely qualified 326 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:46,960 for this. 327 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,760 And it's just a way of making women feel smaller. 328 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:52,720 Making them feel underqualified. 329 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:54,520 Even though maybe you are underqualified. 330 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:55,760 Don't say this. 331 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:57,880 But you have a brain. 332 00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:58,880 You will get there. 333 00:18:58,880 --> 00:18:59,880 You'll figure it out. 334 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:02,720 It's just a way to knock down your confidence. 335 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:03,720 Knock you down a peg. 336 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:07,560 Bekkah They say that men are significantly more likely 337 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:11,480 to apply for a job that they're not qualified for. 338 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,480 And still get it and do well. 339 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:16,280 Nobody's saying they're not going to do well. 340 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:24,240 Whereas women will wait until they know every facet of that position to apply for it. 341 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,600 So that's a huge part of the wage gap. 342 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:30,520 Because women will wait until they already know how to do the job. 343 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,840 Because we have imposter syndrome. 344 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,040 Overqualified for it. 345 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,680 And then they tell you're overqualified. 346 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:40,920 So I read an article by a woman named Katherine Spearing. 347 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:45,080 And this is on CBE International if anybody wants to look that up. 348 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:49,120 I feel like you're always reading articles and I'm always watching TikToks. 349 00:19:49,120 --> 00:19:50,120 That's okay. 350 00:19:50,120 --> 00:19:52,360 We compliment one another. 351 00:19:52,360 --> 00:19:53,680 You are of the times. 352 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:55,320 I've always said that. 353 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:56,920 It's your youthfulness. 354 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,240 Yes, my youthfulness. 355 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,080 At the young age of 98. 356 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:07,200 So this article is called Battling Imposter Syndrome in the Aftermath of Vocational Ministry. 357 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:11,800 Oh my gosh, I haven't heard that word vocation in so long. 358 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:12,800 That's like a college term. 359 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:14,520 I feel like I'm back at Calvin College. 360 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,560 Are you supposed to say where you went to college? 361 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:18,960 I feel like I'm back at college. 362 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,560 There you go. 363 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,720 She starts this with a quote. 364 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:28,640 It says, imposter syndrome is the result of structural in... 365 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:32,880 She's going to have to read it again. 366 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:39,160 Imposter syndrome is the result of structural inequality, not individual inadequacy. 367 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:45,620 So basically it's because things are not made to make us equal. 368 00:20:45,620 --> 00:20:46,620 It's not about you. 369 00:20:46,620 --> 00:20:48,560 It's about everybody else. 370 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:53,720 Well, like when you walk into those spaces that you feel like you're under qualified 371 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:59,480 for, people should come around you and say, no, you're absolutely worthy of being here. 372 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:00,480 Stop thinking that. 373 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:01,960 You're great. 374 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:07,880 But instead, if we do get a lot of, maybe it's not the people that you're around, but 375 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:12,680 the media or what have you making you feel smaller. 376 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:13,680 Right. 377 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:20,000 But the author here says, so she's talking about, she was in ministry for like a decade. 378 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,080 This woman was in ministry forever. 379 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:26,720 And if you've ever been in ministry, I've worked in ministry before, not for a decade, 380 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,640 but for a while. 381 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,880 And it is rough. 382 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:37,080 They say pastors are, they only last a few years at this point because it's just such 383 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:41,120 a tough, tough space because so much is expected of you. 384 00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:42,680 It's not just while you're in the office. 385 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,440 You are always in ministry. 386 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:45,440 Yes. 387 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:46,440 100% of the time. 388 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:50,520 And I wasn't in a pastoral position and I even felt that. 389 00:21:50,520 --> 00:22:01,480 So she says that she was a youth director because we can never call women pastors. 390 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,960 So is director of this. 391 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:04,960 Director of the youth. 392 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:06,320 It's the worst. 393 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:10,600 And really she was a pastor and she goes into that, but she was called a youth director 394 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:17,480 and she chose to leave because she was treated like crap. 395 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:22,180 All of these other people basically told her she wasn't worth their time. 396 00:22:22,180 --> 00:22:29,320 And so in 2020, right before everything shut down, poor thing, she quit her position. 397 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:34,880 And she says that she endured a decade in the Complementarian church that said things 398 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:39,920 like we value women and want them to use their gifts, but then at the same time told them 399 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,000 they couldn't be pastors. 400 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,920 There's always a but. 401 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,320 We love and I hate that but. 402 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:52,240 Do you think Jesus ever was like, I love you, but you're a woman. 403 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,640 No, he was like, I love you. 404 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:55,640 End of sentence. 405 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:56,640 Yep. 406 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:57,640 Period. 407 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,920 We have a rule about that and I try to do my best with it with our kids where we say, 408 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,660 you can't say I love you, but it's I love you. 409 00:23:05,660 --> 00:23:08,720 And then if there's something else that you're going to say, like if they're in trouble or 410 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,480 whatever it's like, I love you. 411 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:12,800 This thing you did was not acceptable. 412 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:18,920 There's no but in the middle because what that but does is it says everything I said 413 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:20,560 before isn't true. 414 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,240 That but. 415 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:28,880 So when you say we value women and want them to use their gifts, but you don't actually 416 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,000 value women and want them to use their gifts. 417 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,080 It negates everything before it. 418 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:39,120 What you want is for women to do the grunt work that you don't feel like doing and we're 419 00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:44,560 going to call that their gifts, but conveniently their gifts can only be in youth ministry 420 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,320 and for elementary children and serving the coffee. 421 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:48,320 Oh my gosh. 422 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,920 I saw this TikTok yesterday. 423 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,260 More drinking guys. 424 00:23:52,260 --> 00:23:59,240 This girl was responding to this guy's TikTok and he was like, so I'm back in church and 425 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:05,600 I've decided it's about time for me to find a wife, but I'm just really confused. 426 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,840 Like what happened to all the women? 427 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:16,260 Like back in the 1800s and early 1900s when women loved to cook and clean and this girl's 428 00:24:16,260 --> 00:24:21,800 response was like, yes, because all women love to cook and clean. 429 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:28,000 If I could just stop being a feminist immediately, I would love to cook and clean. 430 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:35,160 I'm like, do you really think that is my greatest endeavor is to cook and clean? 431 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,160 No, my greatest endeavor is to lay in my bed and watch Netflix. 432 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:39,160 Maybe. 433 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,560 Order some door to Ash. 434 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,960 Gosh dang it. 435 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:51,560 But I think that people really think that you romanticize the past to be whatever you 436 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:59,400 wanted it to be or whatever and men in particular have this rosy view of the 1950s housewife 437 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,880 and she wore her pearls and she wore her pretty dress. 438 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,840 She changed before dinner and dinner was on the table before I came home from work. 439 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,580 This Leave It to Beaver style life. 440 00:25:09,580 --> 00:25:10,580 You really pulled that. 441 00:25:10,580 --> 00:25:11,580 I did. 442 00:25:11,580 --> 00:25:12,580 I don't know where that came from. 443 00:25:12,580 --> 00:25:17,120 We watched a lot of TV land when we were kids. 444 00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:18,120 We did. 445 00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:21,000 It was like the one appropriate channel for us little Christian kids. 446 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,280 Grady Bunch, Bewitched. 447 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,000 We were watching all those. 448 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,000 Not to say they were all appropriate. 449 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,000 They were not. 450 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:32,400 I've gone back and seen some of those episodes and I'm like, dirty. 451 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:38,880 But I think that stereotype of women get held up as like, oh things were so much better 452 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,280 back then when women didn't know their rights. 453 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:43,280 I don't know. 454 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:48,280 I don't know what the argument there is before women figured out that they could stand up 455 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:49,280 for themselves. 456 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:50,280 Right. 457 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,840 They unlocked the chains around their legs and left the house. 458 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,480 So back to this article. 459 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:58,480 Circling back. 460 00:25:58,480 --> 00:25:59,840 Circling back around. 461 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,600 She talks a lot about imposter syndrome. 462 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:10,040 So she talks about how she went to a youth camp with her students and they asked the 463 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:16,080 youth pastors to get up on stage so that they could pray for them. 464 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,920 The camp people and the students, whatever, could pray for them. 465 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,800 And so she got up on stage with mostly men. 466 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,000 And her title was not... 467 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,000 Youth Pastor. 468 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,000 No, Youth Director. 469 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,040 No, Youth Director. 470 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:32,360 So she got up there and they prayed for her, whatever. 471 00:26:32,360 --> 00:26:37,680 And she said that it was very clear that she was not supposed to be up there. 472 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,400 And she got off the stage and felt that. 473 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:41,600 Felt like I shouldn't have gone up there. 474 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,880 I shouldn't have gone up there to be prayed for because I'm not a pastor and that was 475 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,240 a space for men. 476 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,040 So eventually she gets out of that, right? 477 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:52,720 So she leaves. 478 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:59,240 Why is it okay for youth pastors to be majority men? 479 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,080 Majority of teachers are women. 480 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,520 That's a great point. 481 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:08,760 I think even in Christian schools, the majority of teachers are women. 482 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:14,760 It's okay for women to teach teenage boys about math but not about Jesus? 483 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:15,760 Yeah. 484 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,400 You can have authority over men but just not about Jesus, apparently. 485 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,360 That's weird. 486 00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:29,280 So she leaves full-time ministry and she goes into kind of like the corporate world, right? 487 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:30,920 And she goes... 488 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,300 This woman, she starts off running, okay? 489 00:27:34,300 --> 00:27:36,280 So she starts a nonprofit. 490 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,400 She's leading this nonprofit in addition to working full-time. 491 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:40,400 In addition to... 492 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,400 I think she writes two books, okay? 493 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,040 In a span of two years. 494 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,240 She needs to rest, take a melatonin. 495 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:48,520 That's what she says. 496 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:56,280 So she says that because throughout her time in ministry, she felt like, possibly told 497 00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:01,120 people, I'm not 100% clear whether this was vocalized, but she felt like if people would 498 00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:05,520 just stop holding me back, imagine what I could do. 499 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,760 And suddenly people weren't holding her back. 500 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,920 And that's not to say that imposter syndrome doesn't happen in corporate America and things 501 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:15,700 like that, but in this particular instance, people weren't holding her back anymore. 502 00:28:15,700 --> 00:28:20,640 And so she ran full speed ahead to see what she could do. 503 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:26,480 She did all of these things because she believed that she had to not only do as much as the 504 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:31,360 men were doing, but do 20 times more than the men were doing. 505 00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:33,160 And she needed to do it all in heels. 506 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:39,800 She had to run circles around because that's what she had to do in ministry to prove herself. 507 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:45,560 She couldn't be as good as them because if she was as good as them, she was failing. 508 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,280 She had to be a million times better. 509 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:54,120 She had to bring so much more to the table, idea after idea, and it still wasn't enough 510 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,720 for her to get anybody's time of day. 511 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,660 She talks about wanting to have more teaching time. 512 00:29:00,660 --> 00:29:04,640 And she was essentially told, well, even the men aren't getting the teaching time. 513 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:10,080 So you tiny little sad woman that you are certainly are not about to get that. 514 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,120 I wonder if she liked being called tiny. 515 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,400 I don't think I'm paraphrasing. 516 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,880 I don't know if you guys have noticed this, but I elaborate. 517 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,360 Wow. 518 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,040 I've never known that about you. 519 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,960 Breeze astounded. 520 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:33,560 So she says that this frenzy to achieve was because she was held down for so long and 521 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,720 she felt like she was working at 50% capacity, even though she was still running circles 522 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:38,720 around them. 523 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,400 She still wasn't allowed to do everything she knew she could do. 524 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,440 And so when she was allowed to, she burned herself out to the point that she had like 525 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:51,040 physical issues because she was so burned out. 526 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,080 Has that ever happened to you? 527 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,120 Like experienced burnout because I get like tummy troubles. 528 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,800 I can't sleep through the night. 529 00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,520 It's horrible. 530 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,640 Your mind just raises and raises. 531 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,800 You grow 75 gray hairs. 532 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,720 It's a big issue for Bree. 533 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:12,000 Oh, and then if you're Bree, you buy really expensive skincare to avoid the wrinkles. 534 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,560 I'm trying to maintain my youthfulness. 535 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:15,560 At 98? 536 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:16,560 Yeah. 537 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,440 I look great for 98. 538 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,920 You do look great for 98. 539 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,980 Shut up. 540 00:30:23,980 --> 00:30:30,400 So she goes into some of the messages that she felt she was hearing in ministry. 541 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:31,800 And I think these are universal. 542 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,880 I don't want to specifically be like, oh, well, these are only for women in ministry. 543 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:41,320 This is for women in the church that want to do anything. 544 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:46,220 Women that want to teach, preach and lead. 545 00:30:46,220 --> 00:30:48,880 Women that want equality. 546 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:54,040 And outside of the church as well, who want these things in their jobs, who want these 547 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:55,880 things in their marriages. 548 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,660 This is not Christian exclusive. 549 00:30:57,660 --> 00:31:00,880 So she says these were what she was hearing. 550 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:05,320 How dare you want to teach and lead when that's a job suited for men? 551 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,920 How dare you want a career when women were meant to be wives and moms? 552 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:14,860 How dare you have opinions and ambition when you're supposed to be quiet and small? 553 00:31:14,860 --> 00:31:17,320 How dare you step outside of your box? 554 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:21,400 How dare you suggest the world could be better? 555 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:22,400 I love that. 556 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:23,880 How dare you? 557 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,320 Like how very dare you? 558 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:28,320 Where's that from? 559 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:29,400 How very dare you? 560 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,840 It's Catherine Tate's variety show. 561 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:32,840 That's it. 562 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,920 You quote that all the- no one's gonna get that one. 563 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,680 How very dare you? 564 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:38,680 Brandon will. 565 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:39,680 Brandon will. 566 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,080 You're absolutely right. 567 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,400 It's such a powerful phrase. 568 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:51,520 And she's- she does say these weren't explicitly said to her, but these were the messages she 569 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:52,960 was receiving. 570 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,200 People say so much more through their actions than through their mouth. 571 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:58,200 That's a good quote. 572 00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:59,960 We should quote that from me. 573 00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:01,440 Brianna. 574 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:07,560 I think that's really clear in the churches that we have been in recently. 575 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,720 The one that we most recently left. 576 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:15,640 Now they were a little more explicit in their hatred of women, I will say that. 577 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:22,840 But there were a lot of times where things were said that you kind of just nodded along 578 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:23,840 to. 579 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,720 Okay, well I don't like that they said this about submission. 580 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,320 I don't like this about them saying women in leadership or whatever, but you kind of 581 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,400 breeze by it because- 582 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,360 That's been our entire existence in church. 583 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:38,360 Yep. 584 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:45,720 I remember in- when I was working in ministry, I had a situation with someone at the church 585 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:55,240 and just the misogyny that came out during that situation. 586 00:32:55,240 --> 00:33:00,600 That again, there weren't necessarily things that were explicitly said, but it was the 587 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:06,240 words that were said were, well how does your husband feel about this situation? 588 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:12,080 But what that means is how you feel isn't important. 589 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:13,860 Is he doing okay? 590 00:33:13,860 --> 00:33:15,580 Because he's your keeper. 591 00:33:15,580 --> 00:33:19,520 His manhood must be hurt by this. 592 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:25,480 And what was said was, well it would be best if he sat down with this other person and 593 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,920 talked to them to deal with the situation. 594 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:35,020 But the message is, you tiny sad little woman can't handle things yourself. 595 00:33:35,020 --> 00:33:39,200 And I don't believe you until it comes out of a man's mouth. 596 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:40,840 Yes, absolutely. 597 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,880 So it's what's being said versus the message. 598 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:49,560 You can say you respect someone until you're blue in the face, but if you constantly go 599 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:56,560 around disrespecting them, not listening to their words, not believing them, not treating 600 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,320 them in a loving manner, you do not respect them. 601 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:00,320 Right. 602 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:05,920 Well that's why I have so much trouble and this is what we've already mentioned Harrison 603 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,600 Butker once in this episode. 604 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:08,600 Butker. 605 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:16,960 But the issue that I had with other people's responses, like other football players' responses 606 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:22,680 to his speech, Travis Kelsey said essentially, well these are his beliefs. 607 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,000 He's a good guy. 608 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,520 These are just his beliefs. 609 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:26,520 And I can't change that. 610 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,400 I don't have anything to say about his beliefs. 611 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,040 He's not a good guy. 612 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:39,120 I just, any kind of female only submission is disrespectful to women. 613 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,240 And I recognize that's a bold statement. 614 00:34:42,240 --> 00:34:50,680 But anytime you say women exclusively should submit, husbands have no need to submit to 615 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:58,520 their wives or to be a partnership or any of this stuff, that is automatically disrespectful 616 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:04,040 to women, disrespectful to your partner, disrespectful to Jesus himself. 617 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,040 Yeah! 618 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,040 Alyssa's going off today. 619 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:09,040 Alyssa! 620 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:14,920 It's too hot in here for this. 621 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,400 It's so... 622 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:21,360 I want to get all riled up but I can't. 623 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,640 So I want to read a couple of quotes from her, from this article. 624 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,280 I'm just going to keep bouncing back to the article because we keep getting off track. 625 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:30,280 Honestly, that's what we do. 626 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:31,280 We bounce. 627 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:32,280 We do. 628 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,640 So she says, as these messages dripped down over a lifetime and the erosion of my confidence 629 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:41,880 resulted in crippling fear every time I dared to pursue a dream, often the shame and fear 630 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:47,240 accompanied even the dream itself before I put any action behind it. 631 00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:53,720 If I fail, it'll confirm what they believe, that women can't, that women shouldn't. 632 00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:57,920 And how often, as women, does that happen to us? 633 00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:58,920 Yeah. 634 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,760 You crush your dream before you even attempt it. 635 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,200 Don't even start. 636 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,280 I can say that for this podcast. 637 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:12,880 Brie and I have been talking faith and feminism for years. 638 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,080 For a long time. 639 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:19,360 And I remember sitting in the parking lot at my daughter's school one time, we were 640 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:20,360 just talking about this stuff. 641 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:21,360 We talked about it all the time. 642 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:26,760 And I have no idea what I said, but you looked at me and you said, so when are you going 643 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:27,960 to start your blog again? 644 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,360 And clue, this is not a blog. 645 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:30,360 I don't know if you guys noticed. 646 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:31,360 It's a lot easier. 647 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,680 It's a lot easier than blog. 648 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:40,920 Although the editing and all of the technology would maybe be a little easier. 649 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,720 I read articles all day for work. 650 00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:45,360 I'm not writing a blog. 651 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:50,000 But my first thought when you said that was, I can't do that. 652 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,360 I can't do that because I'm not going to do a good job at it. 653 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,400 And if I can't commit my whole self to it, then that's a failure. 654 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,640 We talked about it at work this past week. 655 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,800 It's called self-limiting beliefs. 656 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:11,640 So anything that could possibly hold you down from moving the needle forward, learning to 657 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:16,040 identify those in your dreams and proving them wrong. 658 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,360 Like for us, we're like, how are we going to start our podcast? 659 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,480 We had all of the technology to do it. 660 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,820 We had all the wherewithal to do it. 661 00:37:23,820 --> 00:37:24,820 We had the computer. 662 00:37:24,820 --> 00:37:27,680 We had to buy microphones. 663 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,000 And essentially that's it. 664 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,000 And now we're here. 665 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:36,400 Well, I think that's really what it boils down to is, oh, and that's a great lead into 666 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,040 our next story. 667 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:45,440 If God has asked something of you, men, women, children, whoever you are, if God has asked 668 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:53,400 something of you, he will provide you with everything you need to get it done. 669 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:59,400 You don't have to go out and strive so hard to complete this task and whatever. 670 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,480 Like he's prepared you already to do it. 671 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,480 All you have to do is stand out of the way. 672 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:04,480 Yeah. 673 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,960 God prepared us for years. 674 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:16,360 I picked up Sarah Bessey's Jesus Feminist years ago and started reading and exploring 675 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:22,060 and just starting conversations with people, just starting to research. 676 00:38:22,060 --> 00:38:26,160 And when it came down to, should we start a podcast? 677 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,720 Should we spread this message? 678 00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:30,120 We had the knowledge. 679 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:34,200 I think something that's interesting too that's come out of this is people want to talk to 680 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:41,000 us about this because I on purpose don't talk about it if we're in a big groups of people 681 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,000 or whatever. 682 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:43,000 Now, sometimes I do. 683 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,680 I'm not going to say all the time, but I do try to not bring it up, but people bring it 684 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:47,680 up to us. 685 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:48,680 They do. 686 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:53,000 And I think that that shows this is a topic worth talking about. 687 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,600 It's interesting. 688 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,700 I think it's what we're supposed to do. 689 00:38:57,700 --> 00:38:59,200 That's why we can't stop blabbing. 690 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,400 We're, yeah, we talk a lot. 691 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,200 So I think that leads great into it. 692 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:04,840 Now there's a lot more to this article. 693 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:05,840 Highly recommend it. 694 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,800 I think I said where it's from so you guys can go look it up. 695 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:13,120 So a really great example in the Bible of imposter syndrome. 696 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:14,120 The Bible. 697 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:15,120 The Bible. 698 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:20,960 Now there's, this happens a lot in the Bible because God asks a lot of the people in the 699 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,720 Bible, take Jonah, for example, he got swallowed up by a whip. 700 00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:25,720 Yeah. 701 00:39:25,720 --> 00:39:26,720 And then he disappeared. 702 00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:28,880 Like we don't know what happened to Jonah. 703 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,120 What a crazy, like, have you? 704 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,080 The entire book is like two pages. 705 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:35,080 It's not short. 706 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:36,880 The dude got swallowed by a whale. 707 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:37,880 I know. 708 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,880 That should be a bigger story. 709 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,360 He lived in a fish. 710 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,280 He lived in a fish. 711 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,400 We're really spinning off topic here. 712 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:49,840 I'm hot! 713 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,140 But also we don't know what happens to Jonah. 714 00:39:53,140 --> 00:39:57,600 He sits under a tree, the tree wilts and dies, and that's the end of the story. 715 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,720 I think secretly like reincarnation might be real. 716 00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:05,480 He came back as a fish and swallowed himself back in time. 717 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:10,960 No, that's not where it's going. 718 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:18,320 So anyway, so a specific example of imposter syndrome for a woman in the Bible is Esther. 719 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:23,840 Now, if you don't know the story of Esther, she's a leak. 720 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,320 If you've seen Veggie Tales, I don't think she's a leak. 721 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,360 Actually, I have no idea what she is. 722 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:33,280 She might be, I've spent a long time since, there's an Esther movie for Veggie Tales. 723 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:34,280 She's a green vegetable. 724 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:40,400 Again, if you were a Christian youth in the 90s and 2000s, you watched Veggie Tales is 725 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:41,400 what you did. 726 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:46,600 So Esther has a very stressful story, frankly. 727 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:47,600 It's really stressful. 728 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:48,600 Yeah. 729 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:54,440 I, again, am looking off of the Jewish Women's Archive because they're really cool guys. 730 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,480 Highly recommend them as a resource. 731 00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:06,160 So Esther is collected amongst a bunch of other young women to be presented to the king 732 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,700 because the king is tired of his queen. 733 00:41:09,700 --> 00:41:10,960 Her story is tragic. 734 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,460 Okay, it's tragic. 735 00:41:12,460 --> 00:41:14,800 She didn't really get a choice. 736 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:21,800 So Esther is kind of collected and presented to the king and we don't know a whole lot 737 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:22,800 about her. 738 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,960 Which this is, I just want to mention, this is not abnormal. 739 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,560 Think back King George, like crazy King George. 740 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,760 He didn't find Queen Charlotte. 741 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,680 You only know that from Bridgerton. 742 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:36,680 Listen. 743 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,640 They scooped her up. 744 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,520 They did scoop her up. 745 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,760 So we don't know a whole lot about her. 746 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,400 We just know that she wasn't Israelite. 747 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,760 She had a cousin named Mordecai who I think was a pea in the Veggie Tales. 748 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,240 Was he a pea or an olive? 749 00:41:53,240 --> 00:41:56,240 I don't think there were olives in Veggie Tales. 750 00:41:56,240 --> 00:41:58,160 I'm fairly certain he was paw grape. 751 00:41:58,160 --> 00:41:59,160 Maybe. 752 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:00,360 Yeah, he wasn't a pea. 753 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:01,360 He was paw grape. 754 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:02,360 He was a grape. 755 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:03,360 That's it. 756 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:04,360 Okay. 757 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:05,360 Wow. 758 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:06,360 On a journey guys. 759 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,360 A really exciting journey. 760 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:09,560 Mordecai. 761 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,620 So she is presented to the king. 762 00:42:12,620 --> 00:42:14,040 She goes to him. 763 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:19,520 He falls in love with her, decides that she's his queen, blah, blah, blah. 764 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:24,360 What I like about that part of the story is it's not presented as like she's super thrilled 765 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:25,760 that she's the queen. 766 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:26,760 Hooray. 767 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:27,880 No, she's a kid. 768 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,040 She's scared. 769 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:30,040 And she gotten? 770 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,480 She had gotten all her choices taken away. 771 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:33,480 Gosh dang it. 772 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,280 Not that she had a lot back then. 773 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,960 No, she didn't have really any choices. 774 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:48,240 So her cousin, Mordecai, he is kind of battling it out with the Grand Vizier. 775 00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:51,880 Now he may have been a leak. 776 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:57,760 People are, if you haven't seen Veggie Tales guys. 777 00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,280 I think he was a green onion. 778 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,280 It's a wild time. 779 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:08,260 So Mordecai and the Grand Vizier, whose name is Haman are at odds. 780 00:43:08,260 --> 00:43:13,620 So Mordecai refuses to bow to Haman and is going to be put to death. 781 00:43:13,620 --> 00:43:17,640 It's a bad time for the Israelite people under this rule, right? 782 00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:24,240 And so Mordecai goes to Esther and he basically says, I need you to go to the king and fix 783 00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:30,580 this because Haman, the Grand Vizier over here, is making life terrible for all of us, 784 00:43:30,580 --> 00:43:31,600 not just me. 785 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,760 It's all of your people, the Israelite people, were being persecuted. 786 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:36,860 I need you to fix this. 787 00:43:36,860 --> 00:43:38,480 You have power. 788 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:39,900 You can do this. 789 00:43:39,900 --> 00:43:42,000 God put you in the position to do this. 790 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,160 Now go do it. 791 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:45,160 And she's like, what the crap? 792 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:46,160 No, I don't want to die. 793 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,080 He will kill me. 794 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:50,080 He will. 795 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:56,760 So that's how the story goes is that if the king didn't call you into his court and you 796 00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,760 came anyway, he could kill you. 797 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,600 And she tells Mordecai, she's like, he hasn't called me for like a month. 798 00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:04,600 I'm not doing this. 799 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:05,600 Get out. 800 00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:06,600 No, thank you. 801 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:11,800 I'm just going to stay here in my own little corner in my own little chair. 802 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,440 And based on the time period, she's probably a child. 803 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,520 She's probably an actual child. 804 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:24,200 So going to talk to the king, even if he's your husband, forget it. 805 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,880 And we're not talking a loving, wonderful marriage here, okay? 806 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,640 And she hasn't seen the man in a month. 807 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:34,720 Initially, she says, no, I don't want to do this. 808 00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:37,780 I'm not prepared for this. 809 00:44:37,780 --> 00:44:41,040 I am not the kind of person you want to put in this position. 810 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,720 That's a self-limiting belief. 811 00:44:43,720 --> 00:44:45,040 It is. 812 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:49,840 But Mordecai keeps telling her, no, God wants you here. 813 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,520 God put you here for a reason. 814 00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:53,600 And this is it. 815 00:44:53,600 --> 00:45:00,040 So Mordecai tells her, Mordecai, Mordecai, you said Mordecai. 816 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,360 Maybe that's his name when he's poggry. 817 00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:04,360 Hey, guy. 818 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:10,280 So Mordecai tells her, look, God is going to do what God is going to do with or without 819 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:11,440 you. 820 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:16,200 You can get on the bus or you can stay here if you want. 821 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,000 And God will still deliver us. 822 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,880 God will still save his people. 823 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,960 But you won't have been part of it. 824 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,400 You won't have been part of the story. 825 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,280 And then he actually goes on to say, like, your family will die. 826 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:34,320 But you don't get to be part of the big mission that God is pushing forward. 827 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:35,920 And you want to be in that. 828 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:36,920 Yeah. 829 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,640 And you can because God knew you could. 830 00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:44,920 And so finally, she says, all right, fine, I'll go. 831 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:50,200 Now it doesn't say a lot about does she believe that God is going to keep her safe or does 832 00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,200 she believe she's walking to her death? 833 00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:57,080 I've got to believe in that situation. 834 00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,000 Even with faith, prepare for the worst. 835 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,000 Yeah, absolutely. 836 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,360 I would be preparing for death. 837 00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,120 And so that's what she's walking into. 838 00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,920 But God did what God does. 839 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:14,760 And he knew who he was putting in the right place at the right time. 840 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,920 I used to have a sticker on my computer. 841 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,640 It said, perhaps you were created for such a time as this. 842 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:25,080 And that's a verse from it's a paraphrase of a verse from Esther. 843 00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:32,960 Women in whatever position you find yourselves, you were created for such a time as this. 844 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:39,720 You were created for today in the current political climate, in the current church climate, 845 00:46:39,720 --> 00:46:43,600 in the current relational climate. 846 00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,480 You're here because God knew you could do it. 847 00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,480 And that doesn't mean that you have to do something enormous. 848 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:50,720 No. 849 00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:56,760 Just because you're a woman or whatever, you don't have to be the president of your company. 850 00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,640 You don't have to do all these major things. 851 00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,720 You can just be. 852 00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:02,760 And that is enough. 853 00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,800 But if you do have those bigger dreams or smaller dreams, whatever dreams you have, 854 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:07,800 do them. 855 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:15,200 Well, the thing in having faith, it's so easy to have imposter syndrome. 856 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,720 It literally is everywhere in the Bible. 857 00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:20,400 Every single person is dealing with it. 858 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:26,260 But at the end of the day, God told you who you were. 859 00:47:26,260 --> 00:47:28,760 He said, you are my child. 860 00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,080 I love you. 861 00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,800 I created you exactly how I wanted you to be. 862 00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:39,100 So any flaws that you see are there for a purpose. 863 00:47:39,100 --> 00:47:44,720 It's like that song, I am who you say I am, not who social media says that you are, not 864 00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:48,160 who your family says that you are. 865 00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,040 You're who God says you are. 866 00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:58,320 So when you feel that, when you feel like I'm not good enough to preach, I'm not good 867 00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:02,480 enough to lead, I'm not good enough to be an equal partner in my marriage, I'm not good 868 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,080 enough to start a podcast. 869 00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:13,360 When you feel that, step back and say, I feel this way, but what's the truth? 870 00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:14,360 And stop listening. 871 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:19,460 Yeah, stop listening to the pastors that are telling you're not good enough. 872 00:48:19,460 --> 00:48:22,680 Just because they're a pastor doesn't mean that everything that comes out of their mouth 873 00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:23,680 is gold. 874 00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,640 Heaven knows that's not true. 875 00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,120 I've listened to some pretty crappy pastors. 876 00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:29,120 We really have. 877 00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:30,120 Some really bad ones. 878 00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,640 Some really good ones. 879 00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,120 And some truly terrible ones. 880 00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:42,720 Well that's why when I presented doing a podcast to Brie, I was talking to my therapist about 881 00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:46,480 it because I was like, what if nobody listens? 882 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,560 What if nobody wants to hear what we have to say? 883 00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:53,480 I'm not some massively educated in feminism person. 884 00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:54,480 That's not my degree. 885 00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:55,480 I don't- 886 00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:56,480 I have an art degree, okay? 887 00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:00,560 What the crap am I supposed to do with that? 888 00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:06,300 And she said, if it's for no one else, let it be for your daughter. 889 00:49:06,300 --> 00:49:12,080 Let your voice be the voice she hears instead of the pastors that have crushed you throughout 890 00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:13,080 your life. 891 00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,240 I love that this is coming full circle right now. 892 00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:20,200 It's just one of those things that- and I don't even want it to be my voice, I want 893 00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:21,200 it to be God's voice. 894 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:27,320 But I hope that the things that I'm saying are what God would say to her. 895 00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,160 And I hope they're what God would say to you. 896 00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,000 You are strong. 897 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:33,400 You are worthy. 898 00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:34,400 You are enough. 899 00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:38,160 And there are verses to back every single one of those statements. 900 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,400 And you don't have to be a man for those verses to apply to you. 901 00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,040 Absolutely not. 902 00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,040 God made you equal. 903 00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,040 And he loves you very much. 904 00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:57,240 Do you see how we're weaving all- do you see the fabric of our lives? 905 00:49:57,240 --> 00:50:04,480 Okay, if you have not watched my videos, really, you're a little lost at this moment. 906 00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,280 That's how they end all the episodes, it's not my fault. 907 00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:07,280 God made you special. 908 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:08,280 And he loves you very much. 909 00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,280 I think we ended another episode like that one time. 910 00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:12,280 I think we did. 911 00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,960 Sorry if you were confused by that one too. 912 00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:22,040 So to wrap this all up, we're gonna do little challenges for ourselves, I think. 913 00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,200 If we remember to do them, that's really the question here. 914 00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:30,540 Maybe just on this one singular episode, we'll have one challenge. 915 00:50:30,540 --> 00:50:35,960 But we wanted to see if we could expand our reach a little bit. 916 00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:43,040 And so our challenge this week is to have someone listen in Canada. 917 00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:44,040 The whole country. 918 00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,000 Anywhere in the country of Canada. 919 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,760 So if you know anybody in Canada, please do share with us with them. 920 00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:52,640 If you know anybody anywhere that would like this, please share it with them. 921 00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,080 We appreciate you guys so much. 922 00:50:54,080 --> 00:51:02,000 We hit 900 downloads today, and that was just super cool that like 900 times someone wanted 923 00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:03,000 to hear our stupid voices. 924 00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:04,000 That's like 900 hours. 925 00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,400 That's a lot of our time. 926 00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,880 That actually, I'm concerned. 927 00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,680 We said that last episode, hydrate. 928 00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:12,680 Hydrate. 929 00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:13,680 That's it. 930 00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:14,680 That's it. 931 00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:16,200 But thank you guys so much for listening. 932 00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:17,720 Follow us over on social media. 933 00:51:17,720 --> 00:51:19,440 We are on TikTok. 934 00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:20,440 We are on Instagram. 935 00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,240 Technically, we're on Facebook. 936 00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:23,240 I don't post there. 937 00:51:23,240 --> 00:51:25,600 I think Facebook is a dying art. 938 00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:26,600 Thank you for that information. 939 00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:27,600 You're welcome. 940 00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:33,440 You can also find these episodes on YouTube if that's easier for you. 941 00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:37,800 And we will see you next week where we talk about something to be determined that we haven't 942 00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:38,800 decided yet. 943 00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:39,800 I'll be honest with you. 944 00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:40,800 I can't see you. 945 00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,520 We will speak at you next week. 946 00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:45,520 You will hear us. 947 00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:46,520 Yes. 948 00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:47,520 All right. 949 00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:48,520 We'll talk to you later. 950 00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:49,520 Bye. 951 00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:50,520 Love you. 952 00:51:50,520 --> 00:52:11,520 Bye.