Chasing Bailey

Folks have been debating how to teach reading at least since 1985.  At that time, the issue was framed as top-down vs. bottom-up.   
 
This makes the debate seem “tidy,” just two sides with clear delineation.   You were FOR phonics (bottom up) or you were FOR textual understanding (top down), but you couldn’t be for both.  In truth, there were no teachers then or now who don’t value both, who don’t tailor their teaching to the instructional moment of their students, individually and collectively. 
 
Well, we’re at the reading wars again, but the slogan now is “the science of reading” and all the educational reformers are hopping on the bandwagon.  In this episode, we ask teachers to make sense of the science of reading and what it has to do with the real challenges and real joys in helping youngsters become readers. 
 
00:00  Introduction to the Second Season Dr. Barbara Stengel 
01:24 The “Reading Wars” are back!!  Stengel 
04:24 DC teacher Katie Mazenko on complexity and challenge  Mazenko;  Stengel 
07:42 Is balance bad??  How to get skill, will and thrill. Stengel; Sara Abu Rumman, IN public school literacy coach 
11:49   A new teacher faces the challenge   Maddie Bernards, 1st grade teacher in CA; Stengel 
14:14 What’s developmentally “normal” in reading development?   Stengel; Mazenko; Sarah Ockenhouse, 3rd grade Nashville teacher 
19:08 Joy in skill development and watching kids become readers   Stengel; Ockenhouse 
21:10 And why test scores don’t reflect actual development?  Stengel; Ockenhouse 
22:20 What do reading researchers think?  Don’t legislate!  Stengel 
23:25 Understanding the value of phonics in learning to read  Stengel; Cara Furman, Hunter College 
30:10 Juggling the different needs of youngsters learning to read Stengel; Furman 
33:04 The important of teacher autonomy in teaching reading  Stengel; Krystal Dillard, co-Director,  
38:41 Curriculum and materials that encourage reading and readers  Stengel; Dillard 
40:54 Structured literacy is back!  In a context of external controls   Stengel; Ocheze Joseph, Director of Teacher Education, American University 
45:20 (How) Are novice teachers prepared to take this on?  Stengel; Ockenhouse; Bernards 
48:50 Can the system shift to make first rate reading instruction possible for all?  Stengel, Bernards; Abu Rumman;  
55:01 What motivates the slogan “science of reading”?  Maybe money, maybe politics  Stengel;  Dillard 
56:28 Relationships and teacher judgment in the face of a “manufactured crisis”: the Chasing Bailey touchstone  Stengel 
 
 
59:16  Join us next time to think about choice as it impacts concrete interactions between teachers and students (and yes, parents too!) 
   
 
Many thanks to the guests who agreed to inform our thinking for this episode!   These include Katelyn Mazenko, Sara Abu Rumman, Maddie Bernards, Dr. Cara Furman, Krystal Dillard, Sarah Ockenhouse, and Dr. Ocheze Joseph. 
 
As usual, there are references to a variety of social, educational and historical news and commentary. You can pursue our sources and find out more about these issues at our website:   
www.chasingbaileypod.com

What is Chasing Bailey?

Chasing Bailey is a podcast about a group of teachers, leaders, and others who dedicated themselves to changing the fortunes of a failing middle school in Nashville TN from 2012 to 2016.
They succeeded, but their achievement was bittersweet.
In 2016, the district closed that school.
Still, those who were there knew they had stumbled onto something special, some important educational truths that might help all of us find our way out of the morass that COVID 19 has left us in.