1 00:00:02,100 --> 00:00:08,730 Coming to you from crash studios in Music City, USA, Nashville. 2 00:00:09,540 --> 00:00:12,510 This is the rich Redman show 3 00:00:17,310 --> 00:00:20,670 that's right, you're watching your iPhone, your clock, if you 4 00:00:20,670 --> 00:00:22,800 got a clock is correct. It's time for another exciting 5 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:24,900 episode of the rich Redmond show where we talk about all things 6 00:00:24,900 --> 00:00:28,320 music, motivation, success. Of course, a lot more things, a lot 7 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:29,700 of things are going to come up. But those are the things that 8 00:00:29,700 --> 00:00:34,050 inspire us. drive us inform us, of course, I'm happy to have my 9 00:00:34,050 --> 00:00:37,320 co host co producer, Jim McCarthy. We love his time and 10 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,930 talent. Jim McCarthy voice overs.com What's up, buddy? 11 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,680 Oh, you know, the same old, same old just podcasting away all the 12 00:00:43,710 --> 00:00:44,130 time? 13 00:00:44,250 --> 00:00:47,970 Well, yeah, you have your many podcasts that you do. And you're 14 00:00:47,970 --> 00:00:51,330 producing about 20 of them. And you got back from New York, your 15 00:00:51,330 --> 00:00:54,900 daughter sang at Carnegie Hall. Tell us about this. 16 00:00:55,170 --> 00:00:59,310 She was, you know, chosen to and nominated and accepted to be 17 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,840 part of a choir performance on a Saturday afternoon. And it was 18 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,390 very interesting to kind of watch it was Courtney and I went 19 00:01:06,390 --> 00:01:11,730 both went up. And, you know, here's the state of affairs of 20 00:01:11,730 --> 00:01:15,390 society in which we live because it's like, Okay, I hope that I 21 00:01:15,390 --> 00:01:19,740 hope this isn't a trafficking effort. So we got to the whole 22 00:01:19,740 --> 00:01:22,590 place the hotel and saw instruments and ballrooms, I'm 23 00:01:22,590 --> 00:01:25,170 like, Okay, this is legit. This is good. It's not like they're 24 00:01:25,170 --> 00:01:28,320 sourcing children for other things. So that was, that was a 25 00:01:28,320 --> 00:01:32,880 nice thing. And it was really cool, because the conductor of 26 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:39,480 one of the wires is a conductor and a director at Belmont. Oh, 27 00:01:40,770 --> 00:01:44,910 my goodness. You want to talk about a moving performance like 28 00:01:44,940 --> 00:01:47,070 brought us to tears? Well, you 29 00:01:47,070 --> 00:01:50,160 had to be very, very proud. Congratulations. Yeah, no, yeah. 30 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,310 Very nice, buddy. Well, hey, I know you're excited for many 31 00:01:53,310 --> 00:01:56,280 reasons. But you know, we're huge fans of this band. This 32 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,370 drummer it's a special day. Today's guest hailing originally 33 00:01:59,370 --> 00:02:03,780 from Sacramento, California. And since 1979, the drummer and 34 00:02:03,780 --> 00:02:08,010 founding member of the Grammy Award winning pop rock band, 35 00:02:08,010 --> 00:02:11,490 Huey Lewis in the news, our friend Bill Gibson, Bill, 36 00:02:11,490 --> 00:02:12,900 welcome to the show. How are you, man? 37 00:02:13,710 --> 00:02:15,000 Thanks for having me, guys. 38 00:02:15,930 --> 00:02:19,170 This is great. So you're joining us from your home studio 39 00:02:19,170 --> 00:02:20,700 somewhere in Marin County there? 40 00:02:20,850 --> 00:02:24,930 That's correct. Yeah. Fantastic, man. Well, we're 41 00:02:24,930 --> 00:02:29,580 so excited to have this chat. Because I mean, I'm a fan from 42 00:02:29,610 --> 00:02:33,330 way back. Jim and I are already Men of a Certain Age. So we grew 43 00:02:33,330 --> 00:02:37,800 up on the MTV it was like music videos. 24 hours a day. This 44 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,590 will never work. It worked for quite some time. And you know, 45 00:02:40,590 --> 00:02:45,480 we love the DJs Martha Quinn Nina Blackwood. She's gargled 46 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,150 with razor blades. J. J. Jackson, I'm sure you got pretty 47 00:02:48,150 --> 00:02:51,510 chummy with these guys. But we got to see your videos all day, 48 00:02:51,510 --> 00:02:55,140 once an hour every day for years. So to be talking to you, 49 00:02:55,140 --> 00:02:55,920 this is a real thrill. 50 00:02:56,430 --> 00:03:00,270 Thank you, man. Yeah, that was TV was huge for us. Because 51 00:03:00,780 --> 00:03:04,620 obviously, we were like, We were one of the first bands on MTV. 52 00:03:05,010 --> 00:03:09,240 And like you say, they pumped us, you know, relentlessly for 53 00:03:09,270 --> 00:03:13,260 few years there and that really helps out. You know, that was 54 00:03:13,290 --> 00:03:15,750 that was a huge bus boost. For 55 00:03:15,750 --> 00:03:19,710 sure. Yeah. And, you know, at the time, you know, I was doing 56 00:03:19,710 --> 00:03:22,830 a lot of air drumming and it was great. What a great person to 57 00:03:22,830 --> 00:03:27,510 model yourself after because you are an educated drummer, a 58 00:03:27,510 --> 00:03:30,450 trained drummer and foreign drummer, you got great hands a 59 00:03:30,450 --> 00:03:34,890 great feel. Your tracks are all just like, perfect. They're 60 00:03:34,890 --> 00:03:39,630 super clean studio friendly, but it's from the waist down. It 61 00:03:39,630 --> 00:03:42,900 doesn't sound academic. Everything's perfect. And we're 62 00:03:42,900 --> 00:03:46,350 talking about shuffles like off camera. We're talking about 63 00:03:46,350 --> 00:03:50,160 shuffles and how Jim is trying to get his butt into a Huey 64 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:54,180 Lewis tribute band. He's trying to dethrone the current drummer 65 00:03:54,180 --> 00:03:56,550 because he's just such a big fan of you guys. And they're like, 66 00:03:56,580 --> 00:03:59,880 Alright, man, you know the material but you got to realize 67 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:05,070 that it's shuffles. We audition on the shuffles because no one 68 00:04:05,070 --> 00:04:08,580 could play triplets anymore. Why? There's no Leroy Big Bad 69 00:04:08,580 --> 00:04:12,300 Leroy browns on the radio anymore. It's all straight 70 00:04:12,300 --> 00:04:12,570 eighth, 71 00:04:12,570 --> 00:04:15,930 so weird. There's no songs on the radio anymore. 72 00:04:16,170 --> 00:04:20,130 It's like, you know, yeah, it's one just one chord and a half 73 00:04:20,519 --> 00:04:24,449 with a three note melody that repeats itself 50 times. And 74 00:04:24,449 --> 00:04:25,979 what the hell can you get out of that? 75 00:04:26,100 --> 00:04:28,620 I know we're sounding like Get off my lawn. 76 00:04:29,580 --> 00:04:31,860 He's not Rando rich. I mean, I know 77 00:04:32,070 --> 00:04:34,800 when you guys were polling, you guys were pulling from Hitsville 78 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:41,010 USA Motown Stax, you know the tree. Everything is in there r&b 79 00:04:41,010 --> 00:04:46,980 Blue Eyed Soul, big band. The blues rock and roll you know and 80 00:04:46,980 --> 00:04:48,180 we all know Yeah, it's 81 00:04:48,810 --> 00:04:51,090 Can I cut you in on a dirty little secret? Eric Yeah, 82 00:04:51,090 --> 00:04:56,040 drumroll. I am as untrained as I could possibly be. I am self 83 00:04:56,040 --> 00:05:00,900 taught. What I would never think that I do. You I'm a self taught 84 00:05:00,900 --> 00:05:06,630 player. I have recently when COVID hit into 2020, I started 85 00:05:06,630 --> 00:05:10,410 taking lessons. And I'm still taking lessons he's getting with 86 00:05:11,010 --> 00:05:14,640 Henry K. Dale Mehta. I don't know if you know, Henry, he's, 87 00:05:14,940 --> 00:05:17,430 he was the chair of the drum department at Berkeley for about 88 00:05:17,430 --> 00:05:22,470 12 years. He's a Brazilian guy, just a phenomenal human being 89 00:05:22,470 --> 00:05:28,410 and a great player. And I'm, he has reinstalled the passion for 90 00:05:28,410 --> 00:05:33,240 drumming that I had when I first started. So I'm practicing. Now 91 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:38,400 I practice probably two to four hours a day. Wow. And I'm back. 92 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:42,570 I'm in the studio every day, and I'm playing a lot. And it's, 93 00:05:42,840 --> 00:05:45,270 it's the best thing that's happened to me and yours. 94 00:05:45,749 --> 00:05:49,409 Was there a period there where you were like, Oh, my God, I 95 00:05:49,409 --> 00:05:52,829 gotta play power love again. And there's just like, a little bit. 96 00:05:52,919 --> 00:05:55,049 You know, I just I've been playing in the same band for 24 97 00:05:55,049 --> 00:05:58,709 years. I mean, we're, we got to, we got to play hick town, man, 98 00:05:58,709 --> 00:06:03,209 the kids want the song, right. So, sometimes there is a period 99 00:06:03,209 --> 00:06:05,519 where you just like, alright, that's the job is the 100 00:06:05,519 --> 00:06:06,209 excavation. 101 00:06:06,389 --> 00:06:10,859 That's, that's exactly right. And, you know, that's what they 102 00:06:10,889 --> 00:06:14,489 know you as and so that's what you have to be for them. Yes. 103 00:06:14,969 --> 00:06:17,399 That's dead. Right. So 104 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:21,900 what is he so does it are you working on your hands like age 105 00:06:21,900 --> 00:06:25,470 one of the stick control book page 38 of the syncopation book 106 00:06:25,470 --> 00:06:28,290 or you're working on your Samba partido alto all day 107 00:06:28,289 --> 00:06:33,239 long. Now, right now I'm working on metric modulations with with 108 00:06:34,139 --> 00:06:39,149 weckl threes in the kick drum, you know, the left left, right, 109 00:06:39,149 --> 00:06:42,299 right, left, right, right, left. Right, right. And then a one, 110 00:06:42,359 --> 00:06:47,639 it's a shuffle. If you play it 1234 With your left with your 111 00:06:47,639 --> 00:06:50,369 left foot. I don't know if you could hear that. 112 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,520 No, but it looks great. So it's on 113 00:06:54,089 --> 00:06:59,789 Dakka Dakka Dakka Dakka Yes. Got 1234 That's a shuffle coutume 114 00:06:59,819 --> 00:07:03,869 town katoon. John cucina, John, but if it's Dakka Dakka Dakka 115 00:07:03,869 --> 00:07:13,199 Dakka today, no, no. 1212342234323 and then then you 116 00:07:13,529 --> 00:07:17,099 and I'm working on that and soloing over that and just stuff 117 00:07:17,099 --> 00:07:20,759 that I've I didn't take the time to learn when I was young. And I 118 00:07:20,759 --> 00:07:26,159 knew that if I never did, I would regret it. Wow, I just 119 00:07:26,159 --> 00:07:28,949 knew I was going to regret not taking the time to figure out 120 00:07:28,949 --> 00:07:32,009 the technique and the math behind it. Because drumming is 121 00:07:32,009 --> 00:07:37,289 all math as we know, it's all subdivision. So, you know, if I 122 00:07:37,289 --> 00:07:42,419 just told myself, you know, you, you never studied with it. You 123 00:07:42,419 --> 00:07:45,299 never studied with a teacher, you never took the time to learn 124 00:07:45,299 --> 00:07:49,589 that. That theory and technique and all that stuff. And I would 125 00:07:49,589 --> 00:07:51,509 regret it if I didn't, so I'm doing it. 126 00:07:51,659 --> 00:07:54,449 Amazing. So you're doing and this particular chapter of your 127 00:07:54,449 --> 00:07:59,249 life yeah, man so so for the non drummers out there. What bill is 128 00:07:59,249 --> 00:08:01,319 kind of saying is that a shuffle rhythm would be like done the 129 00:08:01,319 --> 00:08:05,879 Danta and then the one Allah for Allah triphala triphala trip, 130 00:08:06,029 --> 00:08:08,609 but he's I'm tempted to get to get Dakka Dakka Dakka Dakka 131 00:08:08,609 --> 00:08:12,569 Dakka Dakka to get it. Reno grouping cycling over a quarter 132 00:08:12,569 --> 00:08:15,209 note and it takes me see how long it takes results. Dukka 133 00:08:15,209 --> 00:08:17,939 Dukka Dukka Dukka Dukka Dukka Dukka Dukka Dukka Dukka Dukka 134 00:08:17,939 --> 00:08:20,669 Dukka Dukka Dukka Dukka gotta get Dugu together. Dakka Dakka 135 00:08:20,669 --> 00:08:23,279 Dakka Dakka Dakka Dakka Dakka Dakka Dakka Dakka Dakka if you 136 00:08:23,279 --> 00:08:30,029 add one more 1603 measures Gotcha. Yeah. Wow. Did the guys 137 00:08:30,029 --> 00:08:32,579 give you a drum solo? Was that ever a thing? When you guys? 138 00:08:33,089 --> 00:08:33,749 Yeah, 139 00:08:33,810 --> 00:08:36,870 sure. Yeah, you can find a couple of them on YouTube. I 140 00:08:36,870 --> 00:08:40,740 know that. We were in Germany once playing that show 141 00:08:40,740 --> 00:08:45,810 Rockpalast in, in Germany, and they gave me a drum solo on it. 142 00:08:45,810 --> 00:08:51,090 Yeah, I used to take drum solos on and off. You know, I wasn't 143 00:08:51,090 --> 00:08:54,780 really that comfortable doing it. So I didn't do it that 144 00:08:54,780 --> 00:08:57,780 often. But I you know, I had my fun. Yeah, that's 145 00:08:57,780 --> 00:09:01,170 awesome. And you've been a Yamaha artist for a very long 146 00:09:01,170 --> 00:09:03,810 time. And that was as always, that's you know, I'm a I've been 147 00:09:03,810 --> 00:09:06,120 with dw and I'll be with DW probably till the day I die. But 148 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:10,230 my one of my little secret, you know, passions like an 149 00:09:10,230 --> 00:09:13,080 instrument that really floats my boat is a lot of that Yamo the 150 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,020 recording costumes the maple costumes. That's what I played 151 00:09:16,020 --> 00:09:19,170 before I played you know, wait, actually I'm staring at a cherry 152 00:09:19,170 --> 00:09:26,400 red weckl mole it's recording most of the kit from like 1985 153 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,640 or something across the room. It's not set up. But I got it 154 00:09:29,670 --> 00:09:31,950 and it was just I don't know it's just the collecting thing 155 00:09:31,950 --> 00:09:32,490 that I like 156 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:36,720 yeah, no, that was my first kid from Yamaha was a quartz gray. 157 00:09:37,110 --> 00:09:40,410 Recording custom kit with the big deep Tom's you know, and now 158 00:09:40,530 --> 00:09:43,590 I'm playing now Is this the new recording custom kit which is 159 00:09:43,590 --> 00:09:48,090 they made for me which is just best drum set I've ever owned. 160 00:09:48,390 --> 00:09:53,100 That you know, smaller Tom's just what a great sound. Great 161 00:09:53,100 --> 00:09:57,330 sounding kit. Yeah, I've been with him 4040 years this year. I 162 00:09:57,330 --> 00:09:57,690 think 163 00:09:59,250 --> 00:10:02,040 that's great. You You're a loyal you're a loyal endorser. You're 164 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:02,610 not flying 165 00:10:03,150 --> 00:10:06,600 oils. I'm a loyal Zildjian endorser as well. Yeah, 166 00:10:06,630 --> 00:10:11,880 I mean, that's a lot of lineage there 400 years. Yeah, yeah, 167 00:10:12,269 --> 00:10:14,759 I know what they're doing. They know what they're doing Ramses 168 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,790 just a couple of presidencies. So even 169 00:10:17,789 --> 00:10:20,249 even before the presidency has ever started a 170 00:10:25,020 --> 00:10:26,520 rock Yeah, man. Well, 171 00:10:26,580 --> 00:10:29,820 speaking of that swing field, that elusive shuffle field. 172 00:10:30,150 --> 00:10:34,170 Yeah. You were saying off camera. Your dad was a 173 00:10:34,170 --> 00:10:37,470 frustrated jazz musician. So what happened there? How did how 174 00:10:37,470 --> 00:10:41,160 did the music bugs start for you? Did he push you into the 175 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,590 deep end of the pool? Or was just kind of as encouraging? How 176 00:10:43,590 --> 00:10:44,760 did it how did it all happen? 177 00:10:45,059 --> 00:10:49,859 There was music going at my house 24 hours a day. My, my mom 178 00:10:49,859 --> 00:10:54,959 was the director of the church choir. We had church choir 179 00:10:54,959 --> 00:10:58,709 practice in our living room. She would play the piano and the 180 00:10:58,709 --> 00:11:02,549 church would practice. My dad would come home from work and 181 00:11:02,549 --> 00:11:06,569 immediately put on Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers, or 182 00:11:06,959 --> 00:11:13,139 Basie, or Duke Ellington or Miles Davis. So we always had 183 00:11:13,169 --> 00:11:16,769 and my mom loved Broadway musicals. So I not only had 184 00:11:17,189 --> 00:11:20,939 church music gone, I had Broadway musicals. I had big 185 00:11:20,939 --> 00:11:24,569 band jazz, I was really, technically I would say, have I 186 00:11:24,569 --> 00:11:27,809 heard more big band jazz than anyone should ever have to 187 00:11:27,809 --> 00:11:32,639 listen to? to, you know, do to my father? Yeah. And so I was 188 00:11:32,639 --> 00:11:37,799 just raised on jazz and music of all genres. And I loved it. I 189 00:11:37,799 --> 00:11:42,149 just I ate it up. I wanted to be. I wanted to be a saxophone 190 00:11:42,149 --> 00:11:45,359 player. Matter of fact, I was seven, seven, yes, seven years 191 00:11:45,359 --> 00:11:50,069 old. And I was watching Lawrence Welk one Sunday afternoon. And 192 00:11:50,069 --> 00:11:53,579 he had that five piece sack section that was just silky 193 00:11:53,579 --> 00:11:56,429 smooth. And I said, That's what I want to do. I want to play 194 00:11:56,429 --> 00:11:59,339 saxophone. So I went to my school band, and I said, I want 195 00:11:59,339 --> 00:12:02,579 to play saxophone and the guy. And the band instructor said, 196 00:12:02,579 --> 00:12:06,869 Okay, great. Here, you take this instrument home, and he gave me 197 00:12:06,869 --> 00:12:09,809 a clarinet. And he said, it's the same mouthpiece to take this 198 00:12:09,809 --> 00:12:12,509 home and get used to the embouchure. So I took that home, 199 00:12:12,509 --> 00:12:15,089 I started playing but now I'm playing the clarinet I'm going 200 00:12:15,089 --> 00:12:19,469 this isn't the saxophone is does not sound the same. And also, so 201 00:12:19,469 --> 00:12:22,829 it kind of put me off that but however, I stuck with clarinet 202 00:12:22,829 --> 00:12:26,789 for three or four years. Then my father took a job in San 203 00:12:26,789 --> 00:12:32,549 Francisco as an architect at the Port of San Francisco. And, and 204 00:12:32,969 --> 00:12:39,509 we moved to Mill Valley in 1961, right before the British 205 00:12:39,509 --> 00:12:43,379 Invasion, and the Beach Boys hit and everything. And so now I'm 206 00:12:43,379 --> 00:12:50,909 growing up in Marin County, and it just exploded. It just 207 00:12:50,909 --> 00:12:55,589 absolutely exploded. And I you know, but I just took it from 208 00:12:55,589 --> 00:12:58,889 there. I was there a very healthy time. Yeah, I could not 209 00:12:58,889 --> 00:13:01,469 get enough of music of all kinds. 210 00:13:01,500 --> 00:13:05,850 Were you sitting in front of the television? And 1964 for the 211 00:13:06,150 --> 00:13:10,680 Doritos ran solver show? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I went to see 212 00:13:10,680 --> 00:13:15,840 the My, my parents took me to see the Beatles twice. And what, 213 00:13:15,870 --> 00:13:19,260 like most parents would, you're going to see the Beatles Over my 214 00:13:19,260 --> 00:13:23,160 dead body. They were telling my friends, you know, no way. 64 215 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,940 rock'n'roll was Abu man. You couldn't hear it on TV 216 00:13:26,940 --> 00:13:29,880 commercials. You couldn't hear it? Anywhere except for on the 217 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:35,460 radio. And, and most parents were dead set against it. So I 218 00:13:35,460 --> 00:13:38,430 was very lucky that both my parents were musical. And they 219 00:13:38,430 --> 00:13:40,560 actually liked the Beatles. So I say, yeah, we'll take you and 220 00:13:40,560 --> 00:13:43,410 your sister to go see the Beatles. No problem. So I got to 221 00:13:43,410 --> 00:13:47,790 see him twice. That's alright. Here's a great story for it. I 222 00:13:47,790 --> 00:13:50,490 remember. I remember my dad took me and a couple of friends to 223 00:13:50,490 --> 00:13:56,460 see the Dave Clark Five at the Cow Palace in 64. And I was 13. 224 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:01,620 And they've parks up there. And you know you I you know, Dave 225 00:14:01,620 --> 00:14:06,600 Clark, the de Klerk five I'm sure yeah. And he was just very 226 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:11,250 simple. You know, he just great look at guy, you know, woman 227 00:14:11,250 --> 00:14:14,610 killer, super handsome. And he did sit up there and smile and 228 00:14:14,610 --> 00:14:18,870 go, boom, boom, boom, boom, and my dad hits me in the shower. He 229 00:14:18,870 --> 00:14:22,620 goes, see what that guy's doing? This, you're gonna do that? He 230 00:14:22,620 --> 00:14:26,190 says, he's a carpenter. He's just hammering nails up there. 231 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:30,540 You can't do that. And I And he gave me all the confidence I 232 00:14:30,540 --> 00:14:31,740 ever needed sort of my mom. 233 00:14:32,039 --> 00:14:35,849 That's amazing. That's great. Do you What were you gonna say? My 234 00:14:35,849 --> 00:14:38,609 mom was like, it's almost like the opposite thing. I wanted to 235 00:14:38,609 --> 00:14:41,789 play the drums since I was six or seven years old. Because of 236 00:14:41,789 --> 00:14:44,519 MTV. I would see these guys playing and I'm like, Oh my 237 00:14:44,519 --> 00:14:48,749 gosh, you guys were a part of the trifecta of albums that were 238 00:14:48,779 --> 00:14:54,749 what started my musical love. It was Van Halen. 1984 Huey Lewis 239 00:14:54,749 --> 00:14:58,079 and the new sports. I had my my, I think was my ninth birthday. I 240 00:14:58,079 --> 00:15:02,249 got a boombox and the other girl Hmm, maybe unfortunately, it was 241 00:15:02,249 --> 00:15:04,889 the Ghostbusters soundtrack. I apologize. But you know, I 242 00:15:04,889 --> 00:15:06,869 couldn't help but I didn't know what you know, all the things 243 00:15:06,869 --> 00:15:11,309 that played out after that. But anyway, I said I always wanted 244 00:15:11,309 --> 00:15:13,439 to play the drums on my mom got me a saxophone. 245 00:15:14,610 --> 00:15:17,130 You know what? That's crazy that we all have the saxophone in 246 00:15:17,130 --> 00:15:21,720 common because I love the saxophone man. Read the room. It 247 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:25,170 really does. It's a great instrument, but man she's got 248 00:15:25,170 --> 00:15:27,210 she's like, I just don't want the noise. My mom was from the 249 00:15:27,210 --> 00:15:31,830 Bronx, in as you bad that too noisy, you know, it'd be like, 250 00:15:31,830 --> 00:15:35,550 you know, okay, but saxophones any better for crying out loud 251 00:15:35,550 --> 00:15:38,820 with squeaky notes and everything. And then finally, 252 00:15:38,820 --> 00:15:41,790 when I was like, 12 years old, they got me this $75 drum set. 253 00:15:41,790 --> 00:15:45,510 And it's, you know, that's all she wrote. Yeah. Yeah. Great. 254 00:15:45,900 --> 00:15:46,590 Amazing. I'm 255 00:15:46,590 --> 00:15:48,060 self taught as well. Well, you 256 00:15:48,060 --> 00:15:49,830 finally got there, though. Yeah. Jim. I 257 00:15:49,829 --> 00:15:52,439 finally. Finally. 258 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:57,030 I mean, I mean, my thing is, Jim is like, I tell Jim all the time 259 00:15:57,030 --> 00:15:59,550 I'm over. I'm an overeducated rock drummer, but you, but Jim 260 00:15:59,550 --> 00:16:02,670 just has an amazing feel like he could sit down, he could turn on 261 00:16:02,670 --> 00:16:04,890 any song and he could pop in there, and he could stay in 262 00:16:04,890 --> 00:16:08,190 there for three and a half minutes. He's just decided that 263 00:16:08,910 --> 00:16:10,950 he doesn't, you know, he's not doing that for a living. So he 264 00:16:10,950 --> 00:16:13,650 takes the pressure off. So when he goes and sits and plays the 265 00:16:13,650 --> 00:16:17,850 drums, it's just pure joy. He's nothing. Okay. My record. 266 00:16:18,870 --> 00:16:22,260 My regret for not pursuing a musical career ended in 2008 267 00:16:22,260 --> 00:16:24,210 when I met a gentleman named rich Redmond. 268 00:16:24,870 --> 00:16:26,970 And I told you how hard it was. Yeah, 269 00:16:27,390 --> 00:16:31,200 I was like, you know, I'm good. I don't, I'm glad kinda glad I 270 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:32,160 didn't really pursue that 271 00:16:32,190 --> 00:16:34,320 when I was telling him about the, you know, the, the maxed 272 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,050 out credit cards, and the, you know, eating ramen noodles and 273 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,480 all that, you know? Yeah. 274 00:16:39,930 --> 00:16:44,730 There is that I did that for a good 15 years before we ever did 275 00:16:44,730 --> 00:16:46,140 anything. So yeah, well, 276 00:16:46,140 --> 00:16:48,870 what a story though. I mean, you know, to kind of lay those 277 00:16:48,870 --> 00:16:52,710 foundations that that, you know, you guys were together. You you 278 00:16:52,710 --> 00:16:55,950 and Huey were together for a long time before it ever became 279 00:16:55,950 --> 00:16:58,800 a big thing. But you guys were in clover together as well. 280 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:00,810 Correct? No, no, no, no, not at all. Okay, 281 00:17:00,839 --> 00:17:04,589 I was not in clover, Clover. I was in a band called Soundhole 282 00:17:04,589 --> 00:17:09,179 here in Marin, which Johnny cola and Mario Shipley and our first 283 00:17:09,179 --> 00:17:13,199 bass player we're in. And we're kind of the union of two bands, 284 00:17:13,259 --> 00:17:16,229 Sean our keyboard player, Shawn Hopper, and Huey, we're in 285 00:17:16,229 --> 00:17:19,739 clover. And the three of us were in Soundhole. And we were all 286 00:17:19,859 --> 00:17:25,139 pals because we all grew up in Mill Valley. So we just, we quit 287 00:17:25,469 --> 00:17:29,369 everything we were doing. Matter of fact, that day, we put Huey 288 00:17:29,369 --> 00:17:32,639 Lewis in the news together. And it wasn't even Huey Lewis in the 289 00:17:32,639 --> 00:17:36,119 news yet it was we I think we were calling ourselves the 290 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:42,959 fools. But um, but every one of us was doing something else. 291 00:17:42,959 --> 00:17:47,579 Shawn was in Montana filming a movie called Heaven's Gate. He 292 00:17:47,579 --> 00:17:50,729 was part of that movie up there. He was acting in it. He was in 293 00:17:50,729 --> 00:17:54,839 Montana. I don't mean Heaven's Gate. Here. We had Clover had 294 00:17:54,839 --> 00:17:58,679 just broken up. He was delivering natural foods for a 295 00:17:58,679 --> 00:18:03,989 company and Sandra fell. I had quit a band I was playing in 296 00:18:03,989 --> 00:18:06,989 with Jack Cassidy. From the Jefferson Airplane. It was a 297 00:18:06,989 --> 00:18:11,399 punk band called svt. I had just quit that band. Johnny cola was 298 00:18:11,399 --> 00:18:17,249 playing with Sly Stone, he quit playing with sly Mario was 299 00:18:17,249 --> 00:18:22,769 playing with it's a beautiful day, doing gigs and is playing 300 00:18:22,769 --> 00:18:26,759 with his brother John Shep. Polina. And Chris Hayes was a 301 00:18:26,759 --> 00:18:29,819 guy who was playing with his sister, Bonnie Hayes, who's a 302 00:18:29,819 --> 00:18:33,449 very famous songwriter in her own right, wrote a bunch of hits 303 00:18:33,449 --> 00:18:39,479 for Bonnie Raitt, and some other people. And they were playing in 304 00:18:39,479 --> 00:18:42,719 a band together. And we decided on the same day that we quit 305 00:18:42,719 --> 00:18:44,549 what we were doing, and formed the group. 306 00:18:45,900 --> 00:18:49,080 Why total commitment to it, the commitment, 307 00:18:49,530 --> 00:18:52,770 and our manager, the guy who took us on, as our manager, Bob 308 00:18:52,770 --> 00:18:57,480 Brown, said, I'll give you guys $100 a week. And that's what he 309 00:18:57,630 --> 00:19:01,050 you know, ahead of his buck. He was he was Pablo Cruz's manager 310 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:04,950 at the time, they'd had a few hits, and he was doing well. And 311 00:19:04,950 --> 00:19:07,800 he had some money. And he said, I'm gonna give each you guys 312 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:12,120 $100 a week to, to quit, why to whatever it is you're doing, and 313 00:19:12,900 --> 00:19:13,560 let's go. 314 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,040 And there's probably a great feeling. You have to trust that 315 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:21,030 that gut that intuition, like hey, this is man and everybody 316 00:19:21,030 --> 00:19:22,110 gets along. 317 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:26,040 There's a lot of blind faith as you well know, rich going into 318 00:19:26,070 --> 00:19:29,310 the music business, that you have to think that you're the 319 00:19:29,310 --> 00:19:31,980 best. And you're the best band in the world and you're gonna 320 00:19:31,980 --> 00:19:35,520 make it by hook or by crook, you, you're talented enough, you 321 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:39,330 know, people are gonna come around and love you eventually. 322 00:19:39,330 --> 00:19:43,620 It's all blind faith, you know? So that's what we had in spades. 323 00:19:43,620 --> 00:19:47,190 You know, we had a ton of that. We were very, very sure that we 324 00:19:47,190 --> 00:19:50,190 were good enough to get by and we were writing a lot of good 325 00:19:50,190 --> 00:19:53,790 material at the time, and we just, we just had a sense that 326 00:19:54,060 --> 00:19:56,940 it was going to happen eventually. And thank you. 327 00:19:58,260 --> 00:20:03,120 The big G in the sky I, you know, I'm thinking back. You 328 00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:06,360 know, when I got we got our little motorcycle gang of guys 329 00:20:06,360 --> 00:20:11,700 together. We were some cocky dudes we were Do we just it's I 330 00:20:11,700 --> 00:20:15,420 think it's a requirement for the first decade. Absolutely. 331 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,650 Where the fucking band in the world. Yeah. 332 00:20:20,130 --> 00:20:23,670 And anytime you're with another bill, you know a man on a bill 333 00:20:23,670 --> 00:20:27,570 you're like, we're gonna give. We're doing a master class today 334 00:20:27,570 --> 00:20:33,120 guy. I mean meanwhile, we're like opening at four o'clock in 335 00:20:33,120 --> 00:20:36,450 the afternoon and the headliner plays at 11pm And we're like, 336 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,420 Master Class guys, these are going to these guys are going to 337 00:20:39,420 --> 00:20:41,280 be watching from the sides. But that 338 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,160 show them how it's done. Are you guys? Snack time? 339 00:20:44,250 --> 00:20:48,450 You need it? Yeah. Do you get Do you ever look around and pinch 340 00:20:48,450 --> 00:20:50,940 yourself and say I have been able to mix business and 341 00:20:50,940 --> 00:20:55,350 pleasure at the highest levels. I have been around the world 342 00:20:55,350 --> 00:20:58,710 with these gentlemen, we all made our dreams come true. 343 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,410 That's got to be a great feeling to still be making music with 344 00:21:01,410 --> 00:21:03,030 these guys decades later. 345 00:21:04,050 --> 00:21:09,630 It's it's, I'm grateful for that every day I wake up, and it's 346 00:21:11,220 --> 00:21:16,170 Yeah, and more so every day I it's when I think back on the 347 00:21:16,170 --> 00:21:19,590 career. You know, I tell friends of mine about things that I was 348 00:21:19,590 --> 00:21:22,830 able to do. And people I was able to hang out with and meet 349 00:21:22,830 --> 00:21:25,530 and and they just look at me and they just shake their head you 350 00:21:25,530 --> 00:21:29,490 know? It's like that they don't even sometimes they don't even 351 00:21:29,490 --> 00:21:31,080 believe me. Yeah. 352 00:21:32,010 --> 00:21:35,040 Well, because because they're probably going back to the water 353 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,340 cooler into the job. Watch what the thing on Hulu last night 354 00:21:38,340 --> 00:21:44,250 back back to the cubicle. I I did the cubicle when I moved to 355 00:21:44,250 --> 00:21:47,880 Nashville, I had to make copies. I was a substitute teacher. I 356 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,180 waited tables, I parked cars. I was like just stick with this 357 00:21:51,180 --> 00:21:55,320 kid don't stop. You can do it. It's really special. It's 358 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:59,730 rarefied air. And you know to be able to make it at the highest 359 00:21:59,730 --> 00:22:04,020 level. I mean, let's just look let me just put on my my readers 360 00:22:04,020 --> 00:22:10,170 area sports celebrating 41 years I believe and it's and it's just 361 00:22:10,170 --> 00:22:11,370 so relevant and 362 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:19,290 84 So 40 years this year already came out in late 83. So 41 years 363 00:22:19,290 --> 00:22:19,620 I mean 364 00:22:19,650 --> 00:22:23,670 incredible three number one song seven certified platinum records 365 00:22:23,670 --> 00:22:30,540 3767 single six Grammy noms one when 19 Top 10 singles across 366 00:22:30,540 --> 00:22:34,470 the billboard 100 AC and Mainstream Rock Charts. I mean, 367 00:22:34,500 --> 00:22:39,690 that is a lot of stuff and then to be associated with you know 368 00:22:39,690 --> 00:22:42,720 that Back to the Future movie. I mean, that thing just is the 369 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,280 gift that just keeps on giving. 370 00:22:45,540 --> 00:22:48,930 And credit now now they're actually you're in promo work 371 00:22:48,930 --> 00:22:52,740 for the series ghosts, because they're playing Do you believe 372 00:22:52,740 --> 00:22:56,100 in love? I saw that just the other day. Yeah, that's, that's 373 00:22:56,100 --> 00:22:58,170 like, whenever you see that stuff happened. I'm like, all 374 00:22:58,170 --> 00:23:01,980 those guys were like, hey, like, go into the mailbox again. Now. 375 00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:08,430 When you attain the age that I have, that mailbox, money is 376 00:23:08,430 --> 00:23:13,680 very nice. You know, it's funny, because I sit here in my studio, 377 00:23:13,740 --> 00:23:17,160 I don't have to work, you know, luckiest guy in the world. I'm a 378 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,910 drummer, I don't have to worry about anything. You know, what, 379 00:23:20,910 --> 00:23:21,990 how lucky am I 380 00:23:22,500 --> 00:23:27,330 it's like, it's the virtue of the path less traveled, a lot of 381 00:23:27,330 --> 00:23:30,450 people will take the risk of going into the music business, I 382 00:23:30,450 --> 00:23:33,780 took the risk of not really a risk. I went into radio, which 383 00:23:33,780 --> 00:23:38,130 was basically kind of like my living vicariously through 384 00:23:38,130 --> 00:23:41,790 musicians being in radio, right. So, but that afforded a lot of 385 00:23:41,790 --> 00:23:46,200 cool experiences as well, or my wife and I as we came up, it was 386 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,170 just, you know, didn't pay all that well. And now I'm kind of 387 00:23:49,170 --> 00:23:51,750 playing catch up. But it's one of those things that you look 388 00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:55,650 back and like, man, we've had a lot of cool experiences, a lot 389 00:23:55,650 --> 00:23:56,460 of them you know, 390 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,890 ya know, and those are those are worth more than money. 391 00:23:59,130 --> 00:24:02,280 It really is. What a life you know, and it's all the stuff 392 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,040 that you guys have done. Not only that you guys have, you 393 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:09,360 know, conquered the mountain of a very difficult business, but 394 00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:11,790 rich and I you know, he and I whenever we interview different 395 00:24:11,790 --> 00:24:15,030 people, I always ask the question, what music is being 396 00:24:15,030 --> 00:24:19,950 made now that we're going to be hearing and 3040 years ago Oh, 397 00:24:19,950 --> 00:24:22,980 man, remember, you know, what are the Don't Stop Believin is 398 00:24:22,980 --> 00:24:26,700 the power of loves the Heart of Rock and roll's? Are there songs 399 00:24:26,700 --> 00:24:30,000 like that being made right now? And my brother? My brother's a 400 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,060 musician. He's been a keyboard player. He's the one who really 401 00:24:33,060 --> 00:24:36,090 kind of introduced me to you guys. Aside from like, 402 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:40,650 especially with four he's a huge Bruce Hornsby in the range fan. 403 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:45,150 Yeah. Anything with Pete buddy of ours, Bruce. Yeah, he's a 404 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:50,280 he's one of the he's a musical snob. So anything that had you 405 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:55,140 know, distorted guitar was off limits, but anything Van Halen 406 00:24:55,140 --> 00:24:58,590 1984 and on he was a big fan of anything before that. He was 407 00:24:58,590 --> 00:25:01,440 like, Screw it. I don't want it. but it's it's it's kind of 408 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,950 funny, but he and I talk about what's being written now that 409 00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:08,910 we're going to be singing in 40 years, you know, and I sure 410 00:25:08,910 --> 00:25:11,490 couldn't tell you one. Right. I mean, it's one of those things 411 00:25:11,490 --> 00:25:15,900 that you guys were a big part of that huge. You know, we just 412 00:25:15,900 --> 00:25:18,030 watched the documentary on We are the world the other 413 00:25:18,060 --> 00:25:20,460 I have to do it still. Yeah, dude, 414 00:25:20,550 --> 00:25:23,370 that's got like, you know, Huey being, you know, completely 415 00:25:23,370 --> 00:25:27,720 like, oh my gosh, I am just in a room of rooms. Oh, that 416 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,990 was that was. A lot of people have been asking me about that 417 00:25:30,990 --> 00:25:33,390 lately because of that documentary, you know? Yeah. 418 00:25:33,780 --> 00:25:36,360 They said, Yeah, we saw we saw you on the thing. You're over 419 00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:41,190 the smart corner smoking a cigarette. And I am standing on 420 00:25:41,190 --> 00:25:41,280 it. 421 00:25:41,310 --> 00:25:44,070 Did you sing on it? Yeah. Oh, that's amazing. 422 00:25:44,460 --> 00:25:47,190 And the thing is, is that here, you guys are here. I love the 423 00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:50,250 humility of Huey where he you know, it's like, Dude, you can 424 00:25:50,340 --> 00:25:53,340 you can be cocky. You've you've done a lot of good, you know, 425 00:25:53,340 --> 00:25:57,960 amazing stuff by 1985. You know, you put yourself on the map, but 426 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,020 he was still kind of like real human, you know, humble about 427 00:26:01,020 --> 00:26:03,300 it, which is very admirable. Yeah. 428 00:26:04,170 --> 00:26:09,300 That he was given Prince's line because Princeton was a no show. 429 00:26:09,690 --> 00:26:13,620 And some people have been saying that. Oh, he the only reason he 430 00:26:13,620 --> 00:26:16,020 was there. Huey and the news were there was because Princeton 431 00:26:16,020 --> 00:26:20,550 shop. Well, that's not true. So we were invited by Quincy, weeks 432 00:26:20,550 --> 00:26:23,370 before the thing happened, because he knew we could all 433 00:26:23,370 --> 00:26:28,530 sing. And so you wanted we were the only full band there. There 434 00:26:28,530 --> 00:26:31,650 was an old E Street Band. There was no the rest of Germany. 435 00:26:31,650 --> 00:26:34,500 There was no the rest of the Hall and Oates. There was no 436 00:26:35,010 --> 00:26:37,710 full bands except for Huey Lewis in the news, we were all there. 437 00:26:38,730 --> 00:26:41,190 Because you guys have those doowop chops, man. Yeah, 438 00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:45,150 I mean, the vote Quincy knew it. And he, you know, and 439 00:26:45,150 --> 00:26:48,210 it's, you know, it was Tina there as well. I can't remember. 440 00:26:48,510 --> 00:26:52,380 Yeah. Here's the thing. We saw Tina last night, the play a T 441 00:26:52,380 --> 00:26:58,410 pack? Oh, yeah. It's like, gosh, it was like, what happened in, 442 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:03,390 you know, the 40s and 50s to create just a musical wonderment 443 00:27:03,390 --> 00:27:07,560 that, you know, came to maturity in the 70s and 80s. My goodness, 444 00:27:07,710 --> 00:27:10,560 it's just it was just like, what was it something in the water? I 445 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:11,490 mean, it 446 00:27:12,090 --> 00:27:15,090 was Tina Turner there. I thought she was. 447 00:27:15,930 --> 00:27:19,020 But it's funny. Because Huey saying after Michael Jackson, 448 00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:21,570 another. Yeah, that's like Yeah, amazing. 449 00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:25,620 Yeah, no, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there's some great stories from 450 00:27:25,620 --> 00:27:29,580 that night that I was. I was down at Hueys. The week before 451 00:27:29,580 --> 00:27:33,330 last. In San Diego. I went down for a few days just to go play 452 00:27:33,330 --> 00:27:36,030 golf with him guy and seen him in a long time. And so when I 453 00:27:36,030 --> 00:27:40,050 went down to hang out now, and he was just telling me, he just 454 00:27:40,050 --> 00:27:43,740 gone to the premiere on the previous Monday night in LA. Oh, 455 00:27:43,740 --> 00:27:47,550 for the Broadway play. No, no, no. For the documentary for the 456 00:27:47,550 --> 00:27:50,520 widow. Oh, that's right. Okay, you know, and he showed up and 457 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,600 he says, you know, who was there? Me, Lionel Richie. And 458 00:27:57,060 --> 00:28:02,550 this guy, Alan Klein, I think is his name. The producer, Jeffrey 459 00:28:02,550 --> 00:28:06,330 Klein, or Alan Klein's. Somebody claimed? He said Nobody else. 460 00:28:06,330 --> 00:28:10,740 Nobody else was there. This was really odd. You know? Yeah, 461 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,090 it was a great documentary. 462 00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:16,410 It's now I feel really bad that I you know, did not have haven't 463 00:28:16,410 --> 00:28:19,950 watched it. Before the Senate but yeah, it's on my to do list. 464 00:28:19,950 --> 00:28:22,230 I'm so excited about that. Is that how you guys warmed up 465 00:28:22,230 --> 00:28:24,990 backstage every night? You just do a vocal warmup? That's 466 00:28:24,990 --> 00:28:25,560 exactly 467 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:30,000 right. Yeah, we would sing. We would sing do up stuff we would 468 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:35,940 sing. You know, we started doing that stuff in after gigs in our 469 00:28:35,940 --> 00:28:38,730 hotel room, when we'd have a party in our hotel rooms, you 470 00:28:38,730 --> 00:28:41,190 know, we got invited a bunch of people back from the gig and 471 00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:44,790 we'd all hang out and till the wee hours and we'd sing. Yeah, 472 00:28:45,090 --> 00:28:48,750 we'd get in the bathroom or the you know, wherever we were, we 473 00:28:48,750 --> 00:28:51,750 just start singing. That's how we got it. Then we sit with you 474 00:28:51,750 --> 00:28:54,180 know what sounds pretty good. We should throw it in the show. So 475 00:28:54,180 --> 00:28:57,660 we started doing a segment of our show acapella. Well, 476 00:28:57,660 --> 00:28:59,790 a singing drummer, I tell everybody, you gotta have some 477 00:28:59,790 --> 00:29:02,370 sort of an angle, some sort of an additional skill to like, 478 00:29:02,820 --> 00:29:05,610 make yourself set yourself apart. You know what I mean? 479 00:29:05,610 --> 00:29:08,100 It's like, whether it makes some, you know, some drummers 480 00:29:08,100 --> 00:29:10,200 and bands now or like, one guy's like, yeah, you know, I do the 481 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,750 booking or I managed I take care of the social media and the 482 00:29:12,750 --> 00:29:15,870 website or I do the marketing it somebody but the singing 483 00:29:15,870 --> 00:29:18,780 drummer, very, very good. I didn't get those pipes. Like I 484 00:29:18,780 --> 00:29:23,070 can host a show but I can't. You're not gonna see me was 485 00:29:23,070 --> 00:29:28,710 everybody always pick in? I'm just not gonna be that guy. But 486 00:29:28,710 --> 00:29:31,470 so I have mad respect and jealousy for that skill set. 487 00:29:31,470 --> 00:29:31,890 Incredible. 488 00:29:31,890 --> 00:29:35,490 Thanks. That's, you can thank my mom for that. You know, bless 489 00:29:35,490 --> 00:29:39,270 her heart. She was saying she sang every day all day, you 490 00:29:39,270 --> 00:29:42,570 know, and taught us all those cool sang songs, you know? 491 00:29:42,930 --> 00:29:47,490 Yeah. Yeah. It's amazing to me because I know Zanna 492 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:53,580 can have a rubber tree plant. State law. And so we picked it 493 00:29:53,580 --> 00:29:54,060 all up. 494 00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:58,770 Richard mentioned earlier that there are some tribute bands 495 00:29:58,770 --> 00:30:01,440 that are popping up wonderful. ticular in the past 10 years, 496 00:30:01,530 --> 00:30:04,770 they do an amazing job. We saw them at the Franklin theater. 497 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,760 Take all the hard rock and roll America's number one Huey Lewis 498 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:13,440 in the news tribute band. And you know, that's one of the 499 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,200 things like I have a lot of tribute bands. I'd love to be a 500 00:30:16,260 --> 00:30:20,040 part of when I get into my 50s and stuff like that. And you 501 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,280 guys are certainly one of them, because it's just fun music to 502 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,550 play, you know, as you well know. But as I sit down and I 503 00:30:26,550 --> 00:30:29,280 try to shake off the rust and start listening to the music, 504 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:33,210 I'm like, this stuff is actually really challenging. And one of 505 00:30:33,210 --> 00:30:36,810 the things I had the guys on, Tony and Roger Langdon from the 506 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,050 from the band, and they're huge fans of yours. They're actually 507 00:30:40,050 --> 00:30:42,930 really good friends with Sean. Sean is at the show because He 508 00:30:42,930 --> 00:30:48,030 lives down here in Colombia, I think now and they are talking 509 00:30:48,030 --> 00:30:50,610 about Sean popper. 510 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,180 Sean was Minneapolis. For some 511 00:30:54,180 --> 00:30:56,070 reason I thought he was in Colombia. They said he lived 512 00:30:56,100 --> 00:30:58,410 like Mankad. Really? We got celebrities here. 513 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,040 No. Shouting, they 514 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,810 mentioned. maybe I misheard it. 515 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,930 I think one of the unfreeze McGee's guys lives down there. 516 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,550 Oh, yeah. Chris Chris myers. Great. Yeah, great. Yeah. 517 00:31:11,670 --> 00:31:15,240 So basically, they said, I was talking, I said, you know, one 518 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,810 of the hardest songs to me, is stuck with you. Because of that 519 00:31:18,810 --> 00:31:24,270 just straight shuffle on the hi hat. The person you know. Yeah. 520 00:31:24,300 --> 00:31:26,280 And that's actually one of the things he says that's actually 521 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,890 one of the songs we use to audition drummers with. I said, 522 00:31:28,890 --> 00:31:32,550 Well, that's a good song. I said the other one is a couple days 523 00:31:32,550 --> 00:31:36,120 off, which is another shuffle which I wanted to ask you about 524 00:31:36,330 --> 00:31:39,030 was Alex Van Halen was hot for teacher and influence on that 525 00:31:39,030 --> 00:31:40,320 song because it's basically 526 00:31:40,710 --> 00:31:47,790 No, not at all. Not at all. No, no. Although I dug, I never 527 00:31:47,790 --> 00:31:54,150 really listened to that song very, very closely. I mean, I, I 528 00:31:54,150 --> 00:31:58,140 liked what I liked what he did. I like what Van Halen did. But 529 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:05,550 that song? No, that wasn't the inspiration. It just it just, 530 00:32:05,850 --> 00:32:08,760 it's what the song called for I thought. And 531 00:32:09,660 --> 00:32:12,930 the creative, beautiful thing is that you're doing it during the 532 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,470 choruses on your feet. And then during the verses, you bring it 533 00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:19,260 up with a straight four on the floor, with a shuffle on the 534 00:32:19,260 --> 00:32:22,470 snare, right? Yeah. And then you're doing accents and hitting 535 00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:25,680 symbols on off beats and stuff like that. And I'm sitting there 536 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,170 playing it, you know, and then I watched a video of you you're 537 00:32:28,170 --> 00:32:30,360 actually shuffling with your right hand and then doing your 538 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,120 snare hits with your left. I'm going that's how he's doing it. 539 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:33,630 Okay. 540 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:38,490 Yeah. Yeah, that's right. That's just so right rub shuffle on the 541 00:32:38,490 --> 00:32:43,560 snare drum. You know, it's an old r&b deal, you know, some of 542 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:44,940 those old r&b tunes? 543 00:32:45,150 --> 00:32:50,550 Well, I I I do have to say that these guys did want to tell you 544 00:32:50,550 --> 00:32:53,250 something. We were talking about it i for the first time in rich 545 00:32:53,250 --> 00:32:56,670 Redmond show history. We have a clip that we're gonna write we 546 00:32:56,670 --> 00:33:00,000 need to do tomorrow. Wow, cool. And it's from my podcast, the 547 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,180 mostly Middle Tennessee business podcast cheap FLUDD. Go check us 548 00:33:03,180 --> 00:33:07,950 out at MM tv.com These guys were on the last episode that's out 549 00:33:08,340 --> 00:33:10,890 all about the Huey Lewis. So it talks about tribute bands and 550 00:33:10,890 --> 00:33:14,580 stuff like that. So here we go. We're kind of leading in with 551 00:33:14,580 --> 00:33:18,090 talking about stuck with you. And then it plays on out. So 552 00:33:18,090 --> 00:33:21,060 here we go. It's stuck with you stuck with you guys. Easy song 553 00:33:21,060 --> 00:33:24,180 to play? Isn't nope, that's shuffled. 554 00:33:25,620 --> 00:33:29,340 You got to keep that tempo. One of our absolute audition songs, 555 00:33:29,340 --> 00:33:32,010 if somebody wants to be a driver that is people pull that field, 556 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:36,390 because even He himself said, that was one of their toughest 557 00:33:36,390 --> 00:33:40,170 songs to get the field because it's a lot going on during the 558 00:33:40,170 --> 00:33:43,200 show. Yeah. And they played all the time they wrote it, which 559 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,050 makes you so when you ask Bill, yeah, when you talk to Bill, 560 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,750 first of all tell him he's a phenomenal drummer. And we said 561 00:33:48,750 --> 00:33:52,590 so not that it matters. Yeah. Why did you write it that way, 562 00:33:52,590 --> 00:33:57,690 then? It's so hard to lock it. But you know what, I love that. 563 00:33:57,870 --> 00:34:00,720 That's what I started to appreciate about them. So 564 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,350 there you go. Well, you know, that song was written by Chris 565 00:34:04,350 --> 00:34:09,570 Hayes, our guitar player. And we had just gotten off the road. 566 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:15,000 Well, we were on the road continually then but with Donald 567 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,810 Fagan had just come out with his album The night flying, and iqi 568 00:34:18,810 --> 00:34:23,040 was the first track right. And Chris wanted to Chris just fell 569 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,590 in love with that song. You know, and he wanted to write a 570 00:34:25,590 --> 00:34:29,730 tune without feel. So he did and that was stuck with you. So that 571 00:34:29,730 --> 00:34:34,710 you know that's it. That's IG y basically. IG Y Yes, 572 00:34:34,740 --> 00:34:37,740 the knife fly that is classic. Oh, and the drum sounds on that 573 00:34:37,740 --> 00:34:41,430 record. So crisp, so clean, so perfect. Like your typical 574 00:34:41,460 --> 00:34:45,240 Steely Dan. It's like a science project. You know, we're every 575 00:34:45,240 --> 00:34:48,240 front of house engineer the world's tunes their pa using a 576 00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:51,600 Steely Dan record, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. 577 00:34:51,780 --> 00:34:52,350 Exactly. 578 00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:55,680 Well, speaking of drum sounds and the the these this amazing 579 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,280 body of work, that you guys have a producer that you carried 580 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,580 through Like or was it different on every record. 581 00:35:04,740 --> 00:35:10,350 Our first album was produced by Bill Shinae. The our debut 582 00:35:10,350 --> 00:35:15,690 album, everything after that was produced by Huey Lewis in the 583 00:35:15,690 --> 00:35:19,740 news, you guys self produced, self produced all the way up 584 00:35:19,740 --> 00:35:23,430 until four chords and several years ago, which was produced by 585 00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:28,560 Stuart Levine. And who had done the Crusaders and a bunch of 586 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,550 people, he stored some brilliant guy, he produced that record, 587 00:35:32,550 --> 00:35:35,910 but then we went back to produce our we produce every album 588 00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:37,680 except to, that's 589 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,460 pretty incredible, and speaks to the, you know, the ecosystem of 590 00:35:41,460 --> 00:35:46,170 your band and the team spirit, because usually our producer is 591 00:35:46,170 --> 00:35:51,630 needed to intervene and to have the ability to veto and help get 592 00:35:51,630 --> 00:35:54,090 everybody out of their heads and get a 50,000 foot view. So 593 00:35:54,090 --> 00:35:55,530 that's pretty darn impressive. 594 00:35:55,830 --> 00:35:58,800 We we were, we were very democratic about it all, you 595 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:04,170 know, and, and it would take a quorum, you know, a majority to 596 00:36:04,170 --> 00:36:11,310 vote down somebody's idea. And if you you had a few feel 597 00:36:11,310 --> 00:36:15,450 strongly cards you could play, you know, no, I'm sorry, I am 598 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,390 going to have to, I'm going to play that Phil right there. I 599 00:36:18,390 --> 00:36:22,320 feel very strongly about it. And I'm just going to play it. And 600 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,020 that's the way it's going to be. Yeah, and you could do that once 601 00:36:25,020 --> 00:36:29,730 or twice a record. And you couldn't, you couldn't abuse 602 00:36:29,730 --> 00:36:32,820 that, that card. So you'd like 603 00:36:33,300 --> 00:36:36,090 the hills that were that made it that were kind of fought over. 604 00:36:37,170 --> 00:36:40,410 She know that comes to mind. 605 00:36:40,650 --> 00:36:44,040 Nothing comes to mind. No, but I know. I know what happened 606 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:48,240 several times. And you know, and just arrangement ideas and stuff 607 00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:50,190 like that. And, you know, we arranged all this stuff 608 00:36:50,190 --> 00:36:53,340 ourselves. And everybody had a say, you know, everybody, 609 00:36:53,370 --> 00:36:57,180 everybody at a if you had an idea, constructive idea, you 610 00:36:57,330 --> 00:37:00,060 free to offer it, you know, and that's just how we work. 611 00:37:00,180 --> 00:37:03,930 Yes. Now, the horn section. You guys don't always carry a horn 612 00:37:03,930 --> 00:37:06,780 section. How does that work? They were not 613 00:37:06,780 --> 00:37:11,160 our power. We since tower power. We have had a horn section. Wow. 614 00:37:11,370 --> 00:37:17,910 Yeah. And that was 8584. Yeah. 84 They started touring with us. 615 00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:24,450 They were with us from 84 through 89. And so then that was 616 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:29,940 the thrill of a lifetime. Yeah. Kicking those guys was what a 617 00:37:29,970 --> 00:37:31,560 what a what a thrill for a dry. 618 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,070 Are you kidding me? And, and with your big band training, you 619 00:37:35,070 --> 00:37:38,610 knew just the right things to grab and just the right things 620 00:37:38,610 --> 00:37:42,630 to ignore. Right? Because you can't hit everything. Otherwise, 621 00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:44,370 the dancers get really angry. 622 00:37:44,970 --> 00:37:49,830 No less is more you know, and when, when I see these guys, the 623 00:37:49,830 --> 00:37:53,250 right hit at the right time as any drummer like you guys know, 624 00:37:53,250 --> 00:37:56,310 the right hit at the right time is so more of much more 625 00:37:56,310 --> 00:38:01,740 effective than some guy just symbols all the time. You know, 626 00:38:01,890 --> 00:38:04,800 I got I have another story for you. I want to see John Legend 627 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,490 once. And I don't know who his drummer is. I don't want to dog 628 00:38:08,490 --> 00:38:14,430 him. But, but he ruined the show for me. Wow. You know, John's up 629 00:38:14,430 --> 00:38:18,360 there playing piano and singing the songs. But this guy didn't 630 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,500 play a straight beat for more than four bars. Everything had 631 00:38:22,500 --> 00:38:26,730 to fill everything had a crash. I mean, it was just it was 632 00:38:26,730 --> 00:38:29,100 obnoxious, man. I think that's that new 633 00:38:29,100 --> 00:38:34,230 style. That is it's it's it's expected in modern hip hop r&b 634 00:38:34,770 --> 00:38:38,850 shows to have a drummer that can do the thing 635 00:38:39,150 --> 00:38:43,320 by linear fills forever. And yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think you're 636 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:43,650 right. 637 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,500 I wouldn't be the right guy for it. I know that for a fact. No, 638 00:38:46,500 --> 00:38:47,370 Neither would I. 639 00:38:48,810 --> 00:38:53,190 But, you know, that's just not. That's not musical to me. Are 640 00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:55,230 you when you're when you're playing the drums? You're 641 00:38:55,230 --> 00:38:58,110 playing a musical instrument. It's not just a noisemaker you 642 00:38:58,110 --> 00:39:02,340 know, you have to play musically. Yes. And that's not 643 00:39:02,340 --> 00:39:07,530 music to me. That's just masturbation on the drums. Yeah, 644 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,740 musical masturbation. Get off my lawn. 645 00:39:11,100 --> 00:39:12,570 Was there was there anybody in 646 00:39:12,570 --> 00:39:14,880 the Senate does it sounds like you want to get off my lawn? 647 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:20,790 Absolutely. 1,000,000% you want to know what I own it big time 648 00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:22,410 and it's true. It's just 649 00:39:23,460 --> 00:39:26,070 you know, I mean, you know, it's a there's an element of dumbing 650 00:39:26,100 --> 00:39:29,100 down music these days. It's happening I'll say it. But 651 00:39:29,100 --> 00:39:32,460 there's a even like in the 80s as you guys were really you 652 00:39:32,460 --> 00:39:34,050 know, hitting your peak and everything and everything. You 653 00:39:34,050 --> 00:39:37,110 had all the all the hits that were coming out. Were there any 654 00:39:37,110 --> 00:39:39,870 content other contemporaries of yours that you really truly 655 00:39:39,900 --> 00:39:44,580 admired from afar? Like an Alex Van Halen, maybe a Tommy Lee or 656 00:39:44,910 --> 00:39:48,120 Tico Torres or someone like that? Yeah, Jeff. 657 00:39:49,980 --> 00:39:58,470 Jeff Porcaro, who ended up being a good buddy of mine you know, 658 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:02,820 what guys said? I really liked and admired where guys like 659 00:40:03,690 --> 00:40:12,480 Billy Cobham Dennis changers Yeah. Dave Weckl you know 660 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,470 Vinnie, guys like that those were the guys who I thought were 661 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:22,350 the trendsetters, you know, right. Yes. No, not that I could 662 00:40:22,350 --> 00:40:26,820 ever play like any of them. But you know, they were just so 663 00:40:26,820 --> 00:40:31,020 tasteful when they played the song. And then when it came to 664 00:40:31,020 --> 00:40:36,660 their turn to show to showcase, they were just freaking amazing. 665 00:40:36,690 --> 00:40:40,830 Well, you know, they were on human stuff as far as I could 666 00:40:40,830 --> 00:40:43,470 tell, you know, yeah, but when it came to playing the song, 667 00:40:43,470 --> 00:40:46,590 they could settle back in and play it just beautifully. So 668 00:40:46,590 --> 00:40:48,900 that's what I had here. Yeah, that's 669 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,950 did you guys record back in the day back in the day recording 670 00:40:53,010 --> 00:40:58,080 tape. Did you guys record to click tracks it was that a thing 671 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:02,850 that was seeping into the music business in 1983? Or no? Yeah, 672 00:41:03,210 --> 00:41:07,440 yeah, yes. We but it wasn't a click track. I remember playing 673 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:13,680 walking on a thin line, right, that song. I'm planning to have 674 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:19,140 a synth arpeggiate arpeggiated synth. So Sean's holding a note 675 00:41:19,140 --> 00:41:21,660 and it's going, gang, gang, gang, gang, gang, gang, gang, 676 00:41:21,660 --> 00:41:23,790 gang, gang, gang, gang, gang, gang, gang, gang, gang, gang, 677 00:41:23,790 --> 00:41:27,060 gang, gang gang, and he just held the note, bang, gang, gang, 678 00:41:27,060 --> 00:41:32,730 gang, gang, gang, gang, gang, gang, gang gang, you know is and 679 00:41:33,210 --> 00:41:36,330 he kept it going through and that's what I played to. That's 680 00:41:36,330 --> 00:41:39,810 where I got my click track from that's with hard rock and roll. 681 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,470 Yeah. Oh, wait a minute. No, no, no click track and hard rock and 682 00:41:43,470 --> 00:41:46,590 roll. Only thinline. And there was no click track on any other 683 00:41:46,590 --> 00:41:48,300 song on that record. And 684 00:41:48,300 --> 00:41:50,040 then what did you guys use for the heartbeat? Was it like a 685 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,320 sample of a heart or something or what was that 686 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:56,280 was? That's a Linndrum. That's me on the kick drum of Linndrum. 687 00:41:57,150 --> 00:42:02,250 Well, you go Goo, goo, goo goo. And we overdub good, uh, we 688 00:42:02,250 --> 00:42:06,390 overdub that a couple of times and doubled it up and detuned at 689 00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:10,920 once and you know, detuned it again, no, doubt the sound and 690 00:42:11,580 --> 00:42:12,930 yeah, I love the lens. 691 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:18,720 It had the gym, the Linndrum had, it reminded me of like a, 692 00:42:19,020 --> 00:42:22,470 like a car from the 70s had the wood paneling, like a station 693 00:42:22,470 --> 00:42:25,830 wagon, you know. And then I ended up getting to meet Roger 694 00:42:25,830 --> 00:42:31,410 Linn because in the early aughts, he had a box a stomp box 695 00:42:31,410 --> 00:42:35,640 called de adrenaline and all guitar players would get these 696 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,880 MIDI cables and would and it would lock to like my drum 697 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,540 machine and then he could my guitar player 50 feet away on a 698 00:42:42,540 --> 00:42:45,240 50 foot MIDI cable could stomp on the box and it would slice 699 00:42:45,240 --> 00:42:48,240 and dice. That that that that that that that that that that 700 00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:52,590 you know, to the Alesis box right Sure. Pretty crazy and now 701 00:42:52,590 --> 00:42:57,810 all the crazy kids just do it with like modeling and Pro Tools 702 00:42:57,810 --> 00:43:03,720 laptops, you know laptops? Yeah, yeah. So for a record, like you 703 00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:08,970 know, 2000 20s Plan B or the Soulsville 2010 Did you guys do 704 00:43:08,970 --> 00:43:12,270 clicks to make editing easy and stuff? No counting off let's go 705 00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:14,070 bring Soulsville 706 00:43:14,070 --> 00:43:20,520 was Stone Cold live soul. We were at Arden and Nash in 707 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:25,170 Memphis, Memphis. Nice. Yeah, and the band was in the big 708 00:43:25,170 --> 00:43:29,670 room. And the horn section was in another studio with a camera 709 00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:34,110 on me so they could see me play so they could play in time. And 710 00:43:34,110 --> 00:43:36,930 there was zero click on that whole thing. That's all live 711 00:43:38,190 --> 00:43:39,420 very few overdubs. 712 00:43:39,810 --> 00:43:45,780 Man your time and feel are from another lot time man. It's like 713 00:43:45,810 --> 00:43:49,050 it's it's impeccable, impeccable and all your choices. You know, 714 00:43:49,050 --> 00:43:52,500 all the fills are. I call them you know, soccer, their soccer 715 00:43:52,500 --> 00:43:54,990 mom fills because they can play him on the dashboard. They're 716 00:43:54,990 --> 00:43:58,830 very memorable. They're hooky, zap boom Bop, but I suppose back 717 00:43:58,830 --> 00:44:02,160 a dude that is going up. I mean, straight from the Motown 718 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:06,510 playbook. And the reason they work is because they work. Yeah. 719 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:07,950 You know what I 720 00:44:07,950 --> 00:44:11,190 mean? But you have a work van and what why wouldn't they work 721 00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:11,640 now? 722 00:44:11,820 --> 00:44:16,410 I mean, he's good at boom. I've probably played does get up Boom 723 00:44:17,370 --> 00:44:25,470 1000s of times. And there'll be 1000s more. It just works. 724 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:26,160 They're 725 00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:30,090 called Money beats, beats and money fill money fills. 726 00:44:30,150 --> 00:44:30,870 I know. 727 00:44:31,830 --> 00:44:34,860 Just until we just until recently I was playing I played 728 00:44:34,860 --> 00:44:37,710 that fill all wrong. And I finally figured out how to play 729 00:44:37,710 --> 00:44:42,300 it. It's just a it's a six stroke roll to six stroke roll 730 00:44:42,300 --> 00:44:49,980 but it's an it's it's you know, does get at goon back but not my 731 00:44:50,460 --> 00:44:51,360 mom. Yeah. 732 00:44:52,050 --> 00:44:54,180 What were you doing like a like a five stroke road dad's 733 00:44:54,750 --> 00:44:59,820 doing like a buzzer almost with my belly. You know, not even in 734 00:44:59,820 --> 00:45:00,690 fact I am, but 735 00:45:00,690 --> 00:45:02,850 the thing is, maybe you're saying you're not trained but 736 00:45:02,850 --> 00:45:05,550 yet there's some, you know, there's a song where it's like, 737 00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:09,720 see what song is it is. If this isn't really like, gotta do bah, 738 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:14,250 bah. You know, I mean, great. Was roll, man. 739 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:20,610 It's a buzzer Oh, it's a double stroke buzz roll. Yeah. Even if 740 00:45:20,610 --> 00:45:24,270 you're untrained, you can figure that out and do play it. You 741 00:45:24,270 --> 00:45:26,670 know, I knew what that was. That's killer. 742 00:45:26,700 --> 00:45:29,340 I just love the fact that the drums are always so big on those 743 00:45:29,340 --> 00:45:32,820 songs. Yeah, really? In front. Yeah, 744 00:45:32,850 --> 00:45:36,900 I never had to. I never had to bitch at the mix engineer to get 745 00:45:36,900 --> 00:45:40,860 the drums up ever wants. Matter of fact, there was many times 746 00:45:40,860 --> 00:45:44,040 I'd say, Can you pull that snare drum down a little bit? You 747 00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:49,770 know, and that's not drummers don't usually know. So yeah, you 748 00:45:49,770 --> 00:45:54,270 know, and that's for album which, you know, stuck with you 749 00:45:54,270 --> 00:45:58,020 and hip to be square and all that stuff is on Jacob's Ladder. 750 00:45:58,350 --> 00:46:01,350 We call Jacob's Ladder. We call that the snare that a Cleveland 751 00:46:01,530 --> 00:46:06,330 because it really is. It's freaking massive man. noxious ly 752 00:46:06,330 --> 00:46:09,960 loud. And we want actually would like to go back and remix that 753 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:15,840 album. Really. And pull the drums down. Louder Than the lead 754 00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,490 vocal. It's horrible. 755 00:46:17,730 --> 00:46:21,990 It sounds like a gunshot. It's got a case by by Lars and the 756 00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:25,410 Metallica Black Album because his drama on there sounded like 757 00:46:25,410 --> 00:46:28,440 a shot like a 12 gauge going off. Yeah. Oh, 758 00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:31,980 somebody hits man harder rock and roll one of the drug if this 759 00:46:31,980 --> 00:46:34,710 is a power, love, do you believe in love hearts. So hit the 760 00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:36,060 square back in tiny. 761 00:46:36,510 --> 00:46:39,780 I want to end even the deep cuts. The B sides are great 762 00:46:39,780 --> 00:46:45,930 songs. Yeah, it's like, I listened to night to sports. You 763 00:46:45,930 --> 00:46:49,290 know, eight, nine years old, got the boombox that was in my 764 00:46:49,290 --> 00:46:52,800 bedroom was nice. I'm painting the picture. Because I remember 765 00:46:53,070 --> 00:46:57,480 the memory being cemented in my mind like a bookmark, laying in 766 00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:01,290 bed listening to these I listen to that, that cassette, front to 767 00:47:01,290 --> 00:47:05,880 back. Nine, nine years old. You know what I mean? And it's like, 768 00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:08,850 I'm impressed. Looking back on something like that hearing that 769 00:47:08,850 --> 00:47:11,880 for me? How does that feel? You've impacted, you know, 770 00:47:11,910 --> 00:47:16,230 influence so many people, myself included my brother, you know, 771 00:47:16,230 --> 00:47:18,390 what does that what does that say to you? How do you? What's 772 00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:19,470 your commentary on that? 773 00:47:19,710 --> 00:47:26,340 Well, you know, it just adds to my gratitude. Really? You know, 774 00:47:26,340 --> 00:47:32,160 I've had so many people write letters to me personally, and to 775 00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,340 the whole band, but to me personally sing the song you 776 00:47:35,340 --> 00:47:37,980 wrote on that album? You know, I wrote some of these tunes, 777 00:47:37,980 --> 00:47:41,370 right? So the song you wrote forest for the trees on the 778 00:47:41,370 --> 00:47:44,880 picture, this album, got me through chemotherapy. And I have 779 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:49,290 and I have that I have you to thank for me beating cancer. 780 00:47:49,530 --> 00:47:56,310 Wow, God, I've had, I've had several of those types of stuff. 781 00:47:56,340 --> 00:47:59,340 You got me through this period of my life, you know, and it's 782 00:47:59,340 --> 00:48:05,220 just, it's what it's, it's, it would be easy to kind of not to 783 00:48:05,220 --> 00:48:08,040 discount it. But just to kind of brush it off and say, Yeah, 784 00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,520 that's cool and everything. But that, wow, you made a difference 785 00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:16,530 in someone's life. And that's really what we're trying to do. 786 00:48:16,530 --> 00:48:20,340 Right. Right. As human people, we're trying to move people, 787 00:48:20,340 --> 00:48:21,960 we're trying to make a difference in their life for the 788 00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:22,410 better. 789 00:48:22,770 --> 00:48:25,170 And so I think the guys who are in the tribute band that I 790 00:48:25,170 --> 00:48:28,740 played before, their modus operandi is, of course, do the 791 00:48:28,740 --> 00:48:32,190 best tribute to you guys. You know, and they do an amazing 792 00:48:32,190 --> 00:48:34,170 job. If you ever get an opportunity to see them. I 793 00:48:34,170 --> 00:48:39,120 strongly suggest it. Yeah, they'd love to meet you. But 794 00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:43,590 their modus operandi is to reintroduce the music to the 795 00:48:43,590 --> 00:48:48,180 vernacular of society. And I'm like, Yeah, it really is. It's a 796 00:48:48,180 --> 00:48:50,880 music that's kind of like, you know, I'll ask people in 797 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,940 business networking groups, and tell them about me, you know, 798 00:48:53,940 --> 00:48:57,360 kind of sneaking my way into this band. And they go, who, and 799 00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,970 then like, they're in their 20s. I said Huey Lewis in the news, 800 00:48:59,970 --> 00:49:02,580 and they're like, Yeah, I've never heard of him. I go, but 801 00:49:02,670 --> 00:49:05,340 have you heard of the song? And they go, Oh, I know that song. 802 00:49:06,090 --> 00:49:07,110 You know what I mean? Yeah, 803 00:49:07,110 --> 00:49:10,740 well, yeah, I say that a lot. People you know, they, you know, 804 00:49:10,740 --> 00:49:14,580 when you go to like a doctor appointment, maybe. And they'd 805 00:49:14,580 --> 00:49:17,700 girl checking in is asking you a bunch of questions. And she's in 806 00:49:17,700 --> 00:49:21,060 her 20s and says, What do you do, sir? I'm a musician. And 807 00:49:21,060 --> 00:49:24,990 then when you as soon as you say I'm a musician that piques 808 00:49:24,990 --> 00:49:28,530 people's curiosity. Oh, do you? Do you play in a band? Yeah. 809 00:49:28,530 --> 00:49:30,750 What kind of music do you play? Why it's kind of rock and roll 810 00:49:30,750 --> 00:49:34,410 r&b. You know, it's odd. Do you play at the band? Yeah. Now 811 00:49:34,410 --> 00:49:37,890 comes to the 100 questions. And you know, and it says, What do 812 00:49:37,890 --> 00:49:40,770 is do you play? Is it anybody I would have heard of? I said, 813 00:49:40,770 --> 00:49:42,690 Well, I don't know if you've ever heard or you listen to 814 00:49:42,690 --> 00:49:47,400 news. And a lot of people nowadays, like you just said. No 815 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:52,410 idea. Yeah, no. You know, but and then I say, Have you ever 816 00:49:52,410 --> 00:49:55,380 seen the movie Back to the Future? Oh, yeah. Well, that's 817 00:49:55,380 --> 00:50:00,780 our music in it. Power, love. Oh, I know that song. Yeah, so 818 00:50:00,780 --> 00:50:03,360 that's that's where the door opens. Remember 819 00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,970 what remember the guy who told Marty he was being too loud? 820 00:50:06,270 --> 00:50:06,690 Yeah, 821 00:50:06,780 --> 00:50:08,640 yeah, that's my guy. 822 00:50:08,820 --> 00:50:12,540 Also, there's, you know, there's someone getting chopped up in 823 00:50:12,540 --> 00:50:15,990 the movie American Psycho to your music. Well, yeah, the song 824 00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:18,900 I wrote. That's amazing. See, now this is why you don't have 825 00:50:18,900 --> 00:50:21,870 to work Bell. That's why you're just sitting around on a 826 00:50:21,870 --> 00:50:26,520 Thursday in the middle of the afternoon judging, just 827 00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:31,890 need like a TV show like Glee to reintroduce it to society like 828 00:50:31,890 --> 00:50:33,540 they did for Don't Stop Believin 829 00:50:33,570 --> 00:50:36,630 Well, what's happening now funny, you mentioned that we 830 00:50:36,630 --> 00:50:40,530 have a play opening on Broadway, right? On April 19, called the 831 00:50:40,530 --> 00:50:46,230 hard rock and roll. And it's, it's, it's a fictional story of 832 00:50:46,530 --> 00:50:49,290 a couple in love. And he's trying to figure out whether 833 00:50:49,290 --> 00:50:53,460 he's going to leave his day gig and you know, and or he's going 834 00:50:53,460 --> 00:50:56,820 to stick with the band, or he's going to leave and do his day 835 00:50:56,820 --> 00:51:02,760 job so he can marry the girl. And, and it's our songs, tie the 836 00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,750 story together, right? So I'm hoping that a lot of people are 837 00:51:06,750 --> 00:51:09,240 going to be reintroduced our music to this, you know, yeah, 838 00:51:09,240 --> 00:51:09,450 it's 839 00:51:09,450 --> 00:51:13,560 a work for Mamma Mia. Right? Exactly. Yeah, it really did. I 840 00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:17,340 mean it put ABA back on the map. Yeah, so because for you because 841 00:51:17,700 --> 00:51:20,880 you guys deserve it. I mean, you need to be reintroduced. 842 00:51:21,780 --> 00:51:24,780 That's kind of us thanks. It's from 843 00:51:24,780 --> 00:51:28,140 the bottom of my heart because you're a huge part of my you 844 00:51:28,140 --> 00:51:29,940 know, musical landscape growing 845 00:51:29,940 --> 00:51:34,740 it to me to get your right there on the MTV what the police send 846 00:51:34,740 --> 00:51:36,390 the Van Halen EMT 847 00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:39,330 getting to the MTV videos, I mean, you know, every time a 848 00:51:39,330 --> 00:51:41,640 Huey Lewis and the News video came on, it was almost like 849 00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:45,600 seeing what we know nowadays is viral content, you know, what do 850 00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:49,080 they do now? Because it was always a funny video very off 851 00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:53,010 the cuff out of left field. Yeah, you guys cut up and have 852 00:51:53,010 --> 00:51:55,770 fun. And it's funny, the live videos when I was you know, 853 00:51:55,770 --> 00:51:59,250 impressionable, eight, 910 year old kid. I'm like, it looks like 854 00:51:59,250 --> 00:52:01,890 these guys just got out of their day jobs. And now they're 855 00:52:01,890 --> 00:52:06,300 playing a gig. Right? They look relatable. They you just talk to 856 00:52:06,300 --> 00:52:08,790 them. They don't even look like rocks like traditional rock 857 00:52:08,790 --> 00:52:12,930 stars. And that was not at all I just got my job being an 858 00:52:12,930 --> 00:52:15,570 accountant for the day now. I'm playing the drums. Yeah, matter 859 00:52:15,570 --> 00:52:15,960 of fact, I've 860 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:20,220 been. I've been I was asked once at backstage at a gig. 861 00:52:21,060 --> 00:52:23,520 Seriously, backstage is getting some guy asked me if I was the 862 00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:29,280 band's accountant. Ah, can you do my taxes? I said no, 863 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,380 honestly, asshole up there, make a noise. 864 00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,820 Count yourself lucky that you don't have to, you know, cut 865 00:52:38,820 --> 00:52:43,800 your hair like this. And this is an overpriced hair cut, man, I 866 00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,500 just got it done today. It was like how much and I gotta face 867 00:52:46,500 --> 00:52:48,360 every three weeks, you 868 00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:53,070 got you guys and rush basically just lowered is going to do our 869 00:52:53,070 --> 00:52:55,800 thing. You know, we're gonna buck the trends, we're not going 870 00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,010 to try and do a gimmicky thing, you know, rushed, and they they 871 00:52:59,010 --> 00:53:03,540 stuck to their guns for 40 years, built a huge following. 872 00:53:03,750 --> 00:53:06,300 And now you know, Geddy Lee is just like, I'm just, I'm just 873 00:53:06,300 --> 00:53:09,660 getting man anatomy. And you know, Alex is Alex Neil was 874 00:53:09,660 --> 00:53:13,230 Neil. And that people admired him for it. I think the same 875 00:53:13,230 --> 00:53:15,690 kind of effect plays in this too. Yeah, you know, 876 00:53:15,690 --> 00:53:21,300 we, that was our, our, you know, kind of Mo was keep our tongue 877 00:53:21,300 --> 00:53:24,780 firmly implanted in our cheek when we did all these videos, 878 00:53:24,780 --> 00:53:27,630 you know, make them funny. And you know, we were not going to 879 00:53:27,630 --> 00:53:30,840 be a political we're going to be in a political band. You know, 880 00:53:31,050 --> 00:53:34,710 even though we all have our opinions, we were not going to 881 00:53:34,710 --> 00:53:38,820 be you to you know, we were just not going to do that. We were 882 00:53:38,820 --> 00:53:42,840 going to be a light hearted. Take your mind off your 883 00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:47,880 bullshit. When you go see us have a good time band. That's 884 00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,150 what we're going to be. And as we and we succeeded. That's what 885 00:53:51,150 --> 00:53:54,180 he did. Yeah. You know, I read something the other day, it said 886 00:53:54,180 --> 00:53:59,760 that the average person and their lifetime affects 80,000 887 00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,990 people, whether in a good way or a bad way. So thinking about 888 00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:07,440 someone, Jim, think about like a like Bill, Bill Gibson. I mean, 889 00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:11,700 you did all the music around the world several times, millions 890 00:54:11,730 --> 00:54:14,850 and millions of people you've affected in a positive way. And 891 00:54:14,850 --> 00:54:17,160 that's my mantra. That's my purpose in life. My purpose in 892 00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:20,040 life is to affect people in a positive way and change lives. I 893 00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:23,490 wrote it down. Soon as I wrote it down, it came out of the 894 00:54:23,490 --> 00:54:27,060 ether. It got real, it got more real and I started manifesting 895 00:54:27,060 --> 00:54:29,940 more things in my life that aligned with that purpose 896 00:54:29,940 --> 00:54:32,880 statement. But just that just think about that. I mean, that 897 00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,090 is incredible. It's football stadiums full of people that 898 00:54:36,090 --> 00:54:36,660 you've affected. 899 00:54:37,380 --> 00:54:41,490 Yeah, that's right. Really. Right. And, and all really not 900 00:54:41,490 --> 00:54:45,270 knowing we were doing it. Yeah. Until until it started coming 901 00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:45,960 back to us. 902 00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:49,920 Yeah. Now speaking of that, touring, you know, I've done 903 00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,520 most I've been to like, I think 20 countries, a lot of in and 904 00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,340 out, you know, let's fly to Australia. We're gonna play two 905 00:54:56,340 --> 00:54:59,460 shows and then be all jet lagged and then have to come back home. 906 00:54:59,700 --> 00:55:02,910 But You probably visited majority of the continent 907 00:55:02,910 --> 00:55:06,630 several times. Back in the day, did you enjoy the international 908 00:55:06,630 --> 00:55:09,030 touring or were there some split? Like I got a sense of his 909 00:55:09,030 --> 00:55:11,910 stomach. So like, if I spend time in like South America or 910 00:55:11,910 --> 00:55:14,760 India, it's not going to be the greatest time for me because 911 00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,640 I've got a really sensitive stomach. But tell me about your 912 00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:18,540 international. 913 00:55:19,770 --> 00:55:26,100 I loved every second of it. We we we spent a lot of time in 914 00:55:26,100 --> 00:55:33,270 Europe. We months on end we'd spent in Europe. And I loved 915 00:55:33,330 --> 00:55:38,580 every second of it. I ate it up, man. I don't have a sensitive 916 00:55:38,580 --> 00:55:43,050 stomach. I am a foodie. I love all the different foods. You 917 00:55:43,050 --> 00:55:48,270 know, I I would love going to Japan. I just absolutely love 918 00:55:48,270 --> 00:55:53,550 it. Oh, yeah. And South America was great. And you know, it's a 919 00:55:53,550 --> 00:55:57,840 little more third world than I was expecting, but I should have 920 00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:02,880 known better but but it was beautiful. And you know, the 921 00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:07,110 people were great. And I loved every minute of it. I don't I 922 00:56:07,110 --> 00:56:10,680 don't I can't tell you a real bad experience overseas. I don't 923 00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:11,010 think 924 00:56:11,190 --> 00:56:15,510 amazing. That is awesome. No, I've got I like all the food 925 00:56:15,510 --> 00:56:18,600 too. I am a foodie. I just don't know how it's gonna affect me. 926 00:56:18,690 --> 00:56:18,960 But 927 00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,240 you know, Imodium, baby. Yeah, though. I 928 00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:26,730 keep the Imodium lab in business. 929 00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,860 Unfortunately, I don't have any of those issues. That's great. 930 00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:33,060 Anything and I do. 931 00:56:34,350 --> 00:56:38,400 Why fortunately. Because you're you aren't see you are subjected 932 00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:43,290 to a whole new you know, culinary deal. Oh, when you when 933 00:56:43,290 --> 00:56:47,490 you travel, you know? Yeah. I can remember being in Finland 934 00:56:47,490 --> 00:56:51,690 once we were in Helsinki, and the and the Finnish record 935 00:56:51,690 --> 00:56:57,900 company took us out to dinner. And first they took us to a spa, 936 00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:03,000 where we did the saunas and the you know, the cold plunge and 937 00:57:03,210 --> 00:57:06,840 all this stuff. It was fantastic. We loved it. And now 938 00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,050 they take us to a restaurant. And they they're serving all 939 00:57:10,050 --> 00:57:13,830 this food and we you know, kind of have to ask them what we're 940 00:57:13,830 --> 00:57:16,320 eating and you know, and they saw Yeah, now that's reindeer. 941 00:57:16,650 --> 00:57:21,450 Okay, great. That's reindeer we're eating? And then they see, 942 00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:25,560 then they serve some steaks, you know, go oh, this is delicious. 943 00:57:26,190 --> 00:57:29,610 Steaks. Well, you know, is this This is beef, right? No, no, 944 00:57:29,610 --> 00:57:34,020 that's bare. You know? And so we were eating bear steaks. And so 945 00:57:34,110 --> 00:57:37,620 I mean, you're just getting stuff you'd never find here, you 946 00:57:37,620 --> 00:57:41,370 know, and, but it was delicious. I loved it all. Thomas 947 00:57:41,370 --> 00:57:43,800 Lang told me a story one time because he goes to China all the 948 00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:47,850 time. He's almost like Thomas Lang is almost like Tom Cruise 949 00:57:47,850 --> 00:57:50,580 and China. He's so there. There's like giant billboards 950 00:57:50,580 --> 00:57:52,620 for the guy because they love drummers. And China's he, 951 00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,800 they'll go over there and he's like, he was the same thing. 952 00:57:55,830 --> 00:57:58,290 People all of his people that hired him took him out to this 953 00:57:58,290 --> 00:58:02,220 beautiful fancy dinner and however many star restaurant and 954 00:58:02,220 --> 00:58:05,610 he was just devouring this dish. He was in a nice brown gravy. 955 00:58:06,090 --> 00:58:10,020 And he devoured in the and they said he loves the chicken 956 00:58:10,020 --> 00:58:12,960 eyeballs, get him some more chicken eyeballs. He didn't know 957 00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,740 what he was eating. He just was devouring these chicken. And 958 00:58:16,740 --> 00:58:18,780 he's like, well, well, I love him, I guess 959 00:58:19,050 --> 00:58:22,320 is the scene from funny farm with Chevy Chase where he's 960 00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:26,340 eating the goat testicles? Yeah, sheep testicles and happened to 961 00:58:26,340 --> 00:58:26,640 us in 962 00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:31,170 Japan. We were in the record company over there. Took us to 963 00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:35,310 what they told us was the best Chinese restaurant in Japan. And 964 00:58:35,310 --> 00:58:39,420 then Tokyo was the top of a skyscraper was like 70 storeys 965 00:58:39,420 --> 00:58:44,880 up, you know, overlooking Tokyo. And, and we are eating this 966 00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:49,050 stuff that says clear. Looks like noodles, clear noodles. And 967 00:58:49,050 --> 00:58:51,240 we're thinking oh, this is some kind of noodles. You know, and, 968 00:58:51,540 --> 00:58:59,250 and our sound guide. Jimmy says, Hey, what is it? What kind of 969 00:58:59,250 --> 00:59:02,880 noodles is this in and they guys Oh, see Jerry as I see Jerry. 970 00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:08,730 See Jerry once I see. Oh, see jelly. Oh, it's jelly fish. Oh, 971 00:59:08,730 --> 00:59:12,900 okay. We're jelly fish. So now we're eating jelly fish. And now 972 00:59:12,900 --> 00:59:16,590 there's the 1000 year old egg they pull out, which is a quail 973 00:59:16,590 --> 00:59:20,670 egg that they bury for a while. I don't know, they they actually 974 00:59:20,670 --> 00:59:25,050 bury in the ground. And it turns about 12 different colors. Very 975 00:59:25,050 --> 00:59:29,940 pretty. But it's you know, it's discolored egg. The aerated 976 00:59:30,090 --> 00:59:33,630 quail egg. Yeah, and that's all and then shark fin soup, which 977 00:59:33,630 --> 00:59:38,730 is shark fin in a soup. It's just stuff you would never ever 978 00:59:38,730 --> 00:59:42,840 eat anywhere else. But interesting. For sure. It's 979 00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:47,040 like the guy who first tried an oyster. You know? Who in the 980 00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:48,630 world in their right mind said you know 981 00:59:48,630 --> 00:59:51,840 what? I'm going to crack this thing open and eat it. And yeah, 982 00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:54,210 hey, what's inside of that? It 983 00:59:54,210 --> 00:59:56,610 looks like the stuff that comes out of my nose when I sneeze but 984 00:59:56,610 --> 00:59:57,840 why not? Let's try Yeah, 985 00:59:57,930 --> 01:00:00,450 it looks tasty. It also there's a little fine print at the 986 01:00:00,450 --> 01:00:03,930 bottom of all those menus that say, enter your own risk may 987 01:00:03,930 --> 01:00:08,610 cause extreme illness and hospitalization or death. Okay, 988 01:00:09,270 --> 01:00:10,650 that's a parmesan on their. 989 01:00:11,849 --> 01:00:15,179 Back to the music last night. It reminded me of story when we 990 01:00:15,179 --> 01:00:19,589 watched the Tina Broadway show reminded me of a an her 991 01:00:19,589 --> 01:00:23,069 documentary they put out about two years ago or so they talked 992 01:00:23,069 --> 01:00:25,919 about her first big breakout song when she was reinventing 993 01:00:25,919 --> 01:00:29,249 herself was what's good love got to do with it. And she was 994 01:00:29,249 --> 01:00:33,269 reticent to record it. She didn't want to do it. But she I 995 01:00:33,269 --> 01:00:37,319 guess she heard the demos. And I think, who I think it was Olivia 996 01:00:37,319 --> 01:00:40,349 Newton John, that was on par to sing it. But you know, they 997 01:00:40,349 --> 01:00:43,529 wanted a team to do it. And Tina was like, well, it just doesn't 998 01:00:43,529 --> 01:00:46,409 fit my voice. It's not powerful enough. And then she ended up 999 01:00:46,409 --> 01:00:49,859 doing it. And it became a big hurt the best thing that ever 1000 01:00:49,859 --> 01:00:52,799 happened to her right. Was there any of the songs that we know 1001 01:00:52,799 --> 01:00:57,299 today that you guys are like, not sure if I really want to do 1002 01:00:57,299 --> 01:00:58,739 it, then all of a sudden it became huge. 1003 01:00:59,220 --> 01:01:03,180 Yeah, heart and soul. Really one that comes to mind that was 1004 01:01:03,180 --> 01:01:09,390 written by Mike Chapman and Nicky chin. And it was had 1005 01:01:09,390 --> 01:01:14,160 already been released as a single by the Busboys and exile, 1006 01:01:14,220 --> 01:01:18,960 the band exile, who was Mike Chapman's band had had it on one 1007 01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:23,220 of their albums. And they, they, they pitched it to us, they said 1008 01:01:23,220 --> 01:01:27,420 this song be perfect for you guys. And so we worked it up, 1009 01:01:27,420 --> 01:01:31,590 and we're gone. And I don't know, I don't know. And you 1010 01:01:31,590 --> 01:01:34,440 know, we heard the bus boys version. And we thought, Well, 1011 01:01:34,470 --> 01:01:38,820 we think ours is better. And we heard I loved exiles version. I 1012 01:01:38,820 --> 01:01:41,940 don't know if you've ever heard exiles, but it was really, and 1013 01:01:41,940 --> 01:01:46,350 we pinched some of their ideas for it. And actually, by the 1014 01:01:46,350 --> 01:01:49,410 time we got around to recording it for sports, we have made it 1015 01:01:49,410 --> 01:01:54,240 our own and, and it came in it just came out great. You know, 1016 01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:58,590 there was some some songs we recorded that we had vision of 1017 01:01:58,590 --> 01:02:01,500 it being a lot better than it actually turned out after you 1018 01:02:01,500 --> 01:02:05,700 were done recording it. And, and and never made up never made it 1019 01:02:05,700 --> 01:02:07,710 onto an album, we thought, well, this for sure is going to be a 1020 01:02:07,710 --> 01:02:12,540 great song, but we just couldn't get it right in studio. And then 1021 01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:16,650 conversely, there was songs that we didn't think were great when 1022 01:02:16,650 --> 01:02:19,500 we were working them up in rehearsal. And we go in and 1023 01:02:19,500 --> 01:02:21,480 record it. And it just everything came together. And it 1024 01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,330 was great. Yeah. Interesting, 1025 01:02:24,330 --> 01:02:29,430 you know, because our, Jason's manager started off in the 1026 01:02:29,430 --> 01:02:33,180 business as exiles. road manager, I think he was like, 1027 01:02:33,180 --> 01:02:35,850 say sell T shirts. And then he became the stage manager and 1028 01:02:35,850 --> 01:02:39,090 then became a road manager. And then now he's a manager, a 1029 01:02:39,090 --> 01:02:41,610 manager, one of the most powerful music managers. So 1030 01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:44,010 doesn't matter what you're always working your way up. 1031 01:02:45,210 --> 01:02:47,820 Yeah, on the ground up one 1032 01:02:47,820 --> 01:02:51,480 day, also don't ever forget. You see the same people on the way 1033 01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:55,230 down that you saw on the way up? Sure. Yeah. So be kind to 1034 01:02:55,230 --> 01:02:55,830 everyone. 1035 01:02:56,550 --> 01:02:59,370 Why I see that I've ever been been a problem with you because 1036 01:02:59,370 --> 01:03:02,640 you are just, you're a smiley guy. Yeah, 1037 01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:06,870 I'm basically a happy man. And, and, yeah, 1038 01:03:07,170 --> 01:03:10,350 yeah. Awesome. Was there ever a missed opportunity for a 1039 01:03:10,350 --> 01:03:14,040 potential duet with Huey and somebody else like, again? I 1040 01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:17,460 could imagine that if he and Tina ever, you know, did a duet 1041 01:03:17,460 --> 01:03:21,390 together. It would be an amazing thing. Now. Yeah, that would be 1042 01:03:21,390 --> 01:03:21,690 great. 1043 01:03:21,900 --> 01:03:26,550 Well, we did we did a duet with Winona. Mom on one of our 1044 01:03:26,550 --> 01:03:31,170 unplanned b There's a duet with her. She sings with Huey. I'm 1045 01:03:31,170 --> 01:03:33,780 not in love yet. Working on it. 1046 01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:38,580 That's very cool. Well, Jim, member we had Huey we we had 1047 01:03:38,580 --> 01:03:42,090 Huey on episode 107. Our friend our mutual friend Chris Cohen 1048 01:03:42,090 --> 01:03:45,630 was nice. Just connect. And he and he said he will probably 1049 01:03:45,630 --> 01:03:48,180 give you 30 minutes and we just all hit it off. He gave us an 1050 01:03:48,180 --> 01:03:52,140 hour. We had a great time. But we you know, we were talking 1051 01:03:52,140 --> 01:03:57,120 about you know his hearing issues. I I'm assuming that 1052 01:03:57,150 --> 01:03:59,700 there's no no touring. 1053 01:04:00,780 --> 01:04:08,130 No, got he cannot steal any full frequency sounds just turns into 1054 01:04:08,130 --> 01:04:12,300 distortion for him. And especially the low end if you 1055 01:04:12,300 --> 01:04:17,490 know and if the if music, he can't hear your music. And 1056 01:04:17,490 --> 01:04:21,900 that's the thing that makes me so sad about it. He cannot put 1057 01:04:21,900 --> 01:04:25,320 on a record and listen to it. He can't like one of his favorite 1058 01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:28,650 albums and mine as well that both our fathers turned us on to 1059 01:04:28,650 --> 01:04:31,830 when we were quite young. His dad by the way was a frustrated 1060 01:04:31,830 --> 01:04:34,740 jazz drummer as well. His dad and my dad are very similar 1061 01:04:34,830 --> 01:04:38,580 guys. And and I think that's part of the reason why he and I 1062 01:04:38,580 --> 01:04:46,560 hit it off initially you know as as kids, but was World shoot. 1063 01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:47,670 Where was I going with that? 1064 01:04:47,700 --> 01:04:52,080 Oh, something about a record that you and Huey both love. Oh 1065 01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:53,430 yeah. Frank 1066 01:04:53,430 --> 01:04:56,340 Sinatra and Count Basie orchestra live at the sands, are 1067 01:04:57,780 --> 01:05:01,200 you Yeah, and Quincy with a young Quincy. Jones arrange you 1068 01:05:02,130 --> 01:05:09,750 know, it was it was Rufus speedy Jones I believe I gotcha. If or 1069 01:05:09,750 --> 01:05:13,770 Sonny Payne It was either sunny or Rufus. So and I don't know if 1070 01:05:13,770 --> 01:05:16,770 you guys guys have ever heard that album. It's called Live at 1071 01:05:16,770 --> 01:05:20,610 the sands it was recorded in 58, I think. And it is one of the 1072 01:05:20,610 --> 01:05:23,700 best live albums you've ever heard in your life. And it's one 1073 01:05:23,700 --> 01:05:26,550 of his favorites and of mine as well. And he can't put that 1074 01:05:26,550 --> 01:05:29,340 album on listen to it, because it sounds like he says, It 1075 01:05:29,340 --> 01:05:34,500 sounds like a jet engine to him. So by virtue of that he can't 1076 01:05:34,500 --> 01:05:37,830 make out pitch. So he just can't sing. We've tried. 1077 01:05:38,910 --> 01:05:42,360 These are bone conduction headphones, does he try those? 1078 01:05:43,230 --> 01:05:44,550 He's tried to do the same thing. 1079 01:05:44,730 --> 01:05:49,770 Everything really is he's tried. He's been to every ear hearing 1080 01:05:49,770 --> 01:05:54,060 clinic in the United States and some overseas. And he's he's 1081 01:05:54,060 --> 01:06:00,090 tried everything. There's the doctors just go off all the 1082 01:06:00,210 --> 01:06:02,490 doctors to go we don't know if this is something we just don't 1083 01:06:02,490 --> 01:06:03,960 know, that side 14. 1084 01:06:04,710 --> 01:06:08,760 I didn't really know the persona of Huey until we interviewed 1085 01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:11,580 him. And he's such a he's a sweet guy, very human, very 1086 01:06:11,670 --> 01:06:16,350 humble. They'll try us sensed a lot of humility from him. And it 1087 01:06:16,350 --> 01:06:20,010 was actually kind of piled on he did an amendment or an addendum, 1088 01:06:20,010 --> 01:06:23,640 I guess to the back behind the music that he did 20 some odd 1089 01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:29,340 years ago, they rereleased it with him watching, you know, the 1090 01:06:29,340 --> 01:06:33,750 footage from the earlier version of it. And he addressed them in 1091 01:06:33,750 --> 01:06:37,830 the years disease and his how he felt when they had you guys had 1092 01:06:37,830 --> 01:06:40,860 to stop touring. And I had to appreciate the fact that he was 1093 01:06:40,860 --> 01:06:44,850 more concerned about putting everyone out of work than his 1094 01:06:44,850 --> 01:06:47,400 own. Yeah, you know, well being. Yeah, 1095 01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:51,360 that's, well, I was I was more concerned about him, obviously. 1096 01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:55,950 But because he had a he had a dark time there for about a 1097 01:06:55,950 --> 01:07:06,150 year. That came down and and it was I had to do a lot of kinda, 1098 01:07:06,870 --> 01:07:12,000 you know, boosting him up, you know, to just make sure you just 1099 01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:16,710 didn't completely crash. But he was he was up at his place in 1100 01:07:16,710 --> 01:07:20,580 Montana. And he, you know, he was just, there was nobody else 1101 01:07:20,580 --> 01:07:23,970 there. And he couldn't hear and you know, like, like, like you 1102 01:07:23,970 --> 01:07:28,140 said he was worried about our entire crew and ban and 1103 01:07:28,140 --> 01:07:32,520 everything was just, you know, was 35 people that were, you 1104 01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:35,640 know, out of work. And he was more worried about that than 1105 01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:39,900 himself so that you're right. That tells you a lot about the 1106 01:07:39,900 --> 01:07:41,970 guy. Sure. Well, yeah, man. 1107 01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:45,480 That brotherhood of a band comes together, though. That's good to 1108 01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:47,880 have. I don't know. But you guys were there to help them out and 1109 01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:50,070 support them? Yeah. Yeah, man. 1110 01:07:50,910 --> 01:07:55,380 Very, very fortunate. Well, Bill, we just what a pleasure. I 1111 01:07:55,380 --> 01:07:57,870 want to just give a shout out to my dad, because my dad, same 1112 01:07:57,870 --> 01:08:02,310 way. We love the big bands. And he loves Gene Krupa. And he was 1113 01:08:02,310 --> 01:08:06,690 just always so like, you can do that son, you know, and it was 1114 01:08:06,690 --> 01:08:09,990 so encouraging. I think that he secretly wanted to do it, and 1115 01:08:09,990 --> 01:08:12,960 he's like, let's get you lessons, you can go do what I 1116 01:08:12,990 --> 01:08:15,960 didn't get to do because he became an a cat, he became an 1117 01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:16,500 accountant. 1118 01:08:17,970 --> 01:08:20,280 So you had that same encouragement from your parents 1119 01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:25,260 that I did maths. And that and that when you're young is enough 1120 01:08:25,260 --> 01:08:31,470 to get you to to get that blind faith in you. Yes. You know, to 1121 01:08:31,470 --> 01:08:32,820 go, I can do this. 1122 01:08:33,179 --> 01:08:36,029 And I'm gonna saying I can just blame my parents that because 1123 01:08:36,029 --> 01:08:40,379 they always told us that you gotta have sent a lot. You gotta 1124 01:08:40,379 --> 01:08:43,979 have something to fall back on. Jimmy. You can't you that your 1125 01:08:43,979 --> 01:08:46,739 music. You got to be in the right place at the right time 1126 01:08:46,739 --> 01:08:49,559 and have my father would always say, Yeah, gotta have a gimmick. 1127 01:08:50,549 --> 01:08:53,219 But here you go into the phone business and go to college and 1128 01:08:53,519 --> 01:08:55,919 told my brother and I that and my brother to this day, he's in 1129 01:08:55,919 --> 01:08:59,009 his 50s he's 50 though is a little bit younger, I think. 1130 01:08:59,309 --> 01:09:03,419 Yeah. 53 and he he's like I always still hear dad in the 1131 01:09:03,419 --> 01:09:05,879 back of my head going you need something to fall back on. I'm 1132 01:09:05,879 --> 01:09:09,809 like, but on his deathbed, he told you he regretted telling 1133 01:09:09,809 --> 01:09:12,959 you that now he knows you would have made something and it's 1134 01:09:12,959 --> 01:09:16,469 like Damn it, just do it. Now you got the resources you got a 1135 01:09:16,469 --> 01:09:21,029 legal law degree come down to Nashville and combine the 1136 01:09:21,029 --> 01:09:24,239 superpowers and you know, do it man Jim, I hope your brother 1137 01:09:24,239 --> 01:09:26,969 listens to the show, man because you're always and I've told him 1138 01:09:27,719 --> 01:09:31,649 I'm blue in the damn face. I'm the black sheep in the family. 1139 01:09:31,649 --> 01:09:35,519 I'm the one who you know took the path less traveled and did 1140 01:09:35,519 --> 01:09:37,979 the radio thing and it's paid off you know? So yeah, 1141 01:09:37,979 --> 01:09:40,709 man creative pursuits creative pursuits. Well, Bill we love 1142 01:09:40,709 --> 01:09:43,949 you. This was so special for for us to spend this time together. 1143 01:09:43,949 --> 01:09:46,979 We usually end the show with the Fave Five. I'm going to ask you 1144 01:09:46,979 --> 01:09:51,179 your favorite things favorite color? Blue. All right, you get 1145 01:09:51,179 --> 01:09:53,999 the blue shirt on there Blue Pearl, snap love it. Favorite 1146 01:09:53,999 --> 01:10:02,789 food or dish that's All right Ah he's a foodie drumroll 1147 01:10:03,149 --> 01:10:06,869 that the yeah that's that's a tough one for me man i like it 1148 01:10:06,869 --> 01:10:07,199 all 1149 01:10:07,499 --> 01:10:09,569 marine county let a good sushi man a 1150 01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:13,650 lot of good sushi a lot of good everything San Francisco off 1151 01:10:14,219 --> 01:10:18,569 incredible after living in California be in California boy 1152 01:10:18,569 --> 01:10:22,049 oh boy all these years would you ever entertain living anywhere 1153 01:10:22,049 --> 01:10:22,469 else? 1154 01:10:23,190 --> 01:10:23,610 No 1155 01:10:26,460 --> 01:10:29,400 Jim knows how much I love California it is like I tell you 1156 01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:32,070 what. Favorite trip in New York? 1157 01:10:32,759 --> 01:10:39,779 No favorite drink at all when I was drinking and it was a Myers 1158 01:10:39,779 --> 01:10:43,109 and OJ I haven't. I don't drink so but you know it was Myers and 1159 01:10:43,109 --> 01:10:44,879 OJ. And that was my favorite. 1160 01:10:44,910 --> 01:10:46,320 What's What was my dinner a 1161 01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:50,190 vodka with Michael Myers is Rob It's a dark rum. Oh my god. 1162 01:10:50,189 --> 01:10:53,939 So in the in the early days of touring your little drink next 1163 01:10:53,939 --> 01:10:56,129 to you was rum and orange juice. It 1164 01:10:56,130 --> 01:10:59,340 was the band drink. I never drank when I played. Nice. 1165 01:10:59,670 --> 01:11:03,270 Never. But it was the band drink. Yep. When 1166 01:11:03,270 --> 01:11:09,810 did you give up the hooch? Oh I'll see. That's good. Can't 1167 01:11:09,810 --> 01:11:11,550 remember. Can't remember. 1168 01:11:14,399 --> 01:11:17,099 That's a long time. 1169 01:11:17,250 --> 01:11:21,510 I love it. I'm favorite. This is hard. Jim doesn't like this 1170 01:11:21,510 --> 01:11:25,290 question. Because it is so hard. But it's a song. It What is your 1171 01:11:25,290 --> 01:11:27,840 favorite song? This thing comes on the radio no matter what 1172 01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:32,340 where you are. You're going to crank this thing up. Now that's 1173 01:11:32,340 --> 01:11:33,000 hard, isn't it? 1174 01:11:33,330 --> 01:11:35,850 Yeah, tough one because it's so subjective and seasonal. 1175 01:11:36,180 --> 01:11:40,380 Favorite song? Oh my god. That's like saying what's your favorite 1176 01:11:40,380 --> 01:11:44,400 painting? You know? Yeah. The screen. 1177 01:11:45,239 --> 01:11:46,889 Well, what's your favorite song at the moment? 1178 01:11:46,980 --> 01:11:53,340 It favorite song of the moment probably is a song that my 1179 01:11:53,340 --> 01:11:57,990 daughter is doing called stargazing. Nice. I'm working on 1180 01:11:57,990 --> 01:12:00,570 it today. And you're producing your daughter's. It's killing 1181 01:12:00,570 --> 01:12:04,320 me. Well, I'm helping her I'm not really producing her. But 1182 01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:09,030 I'm putting some keyboard tracks on a song that I wrote for her 1183 01:12:09,030 --> 01:12:09,360 so 1184 01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:14,249 incredible. And then what about your favorite movie favorite 1185 01:12:14,249 --> 01:12:25,589 film? Ah, probably. Wow, 1186 01:12:25,890 --> 01:12:29,040 that's another one that's got a failure. Yeah, we 1187 01:12:29,039 --> 01:12:31,979 get a lot of Shawshank Redemption. You know what? Pulp 1188 01:12:31,979 --> 01:12:35,669 Fiction Jaws Back to the Future? 1189 01:12:37,050 --> 01:12:41,340 Yeah, that was No, I would say something like, it's a mad mad 1190 01:12:41,340 --> 01:12:42,300 mad mad world. 1191 01:12:42,780 --> 01:12:43,440 Nice. 1192 01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:48,450 Black and white. Nose color. Oh, yeah. Okay. It's pretty funny 1193 01:12:48,450 --> 01:12:48,870 movie. 1194 01:12:49,019 --> 01:12:49,679 Nice. 1195 01:12:50,070 --> 01:12:51,180 I like comedies. 1196 01:12:51,390 --> 01:12:55,080 Do you binge all the Netflix comedians, like there's any 1197 01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:57,840 specials? I've seen them all. Like, I'll turn it on and say, 1198 01:12:57,990 --> 01:13:01,410 maybe somebody's got a new special. And my current favorite 1199 01:13:01,410 --> 01:13:05,880 comedian is Jim Gaffigan. He's clean and prolific. Yeah, he's 1200 01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:09,630 great. And you can rewatch his stuff and get the same laughs 1201 01:13:09,660 --> 01:13:14,700 Yeah, yeah. No, that's a real talent to have a tight, nonstop 1202 01:13:14,700 --> 01:13:20,430 laughing poignant hour of material. Every few years 1203 01:13:20,489 --> 01:13:24,809 a new the new Curb Your Enthusiasm is has just dropped. 1204 01:13:24,809 --> 01:13:29,519 And it's my gallon. I watched the latest episode last night 1205 01:13:29,519 --> 01:13:32,789 and it's great. I love all the curves. Oh, guys, 1206 01:13:32,789 --> 01:13:35,849 every day. I love the fact that it was I it's I'm proud. It's an 1207 01:13:35,849 --> 01:13:38,729 improvisational in the sense that it's looking at, we gotta 1208 01:13:38,729 --> 01:13:41,879 get from point A to point B but how we get there. I don't care. 1209 01:13:41,939 --> 01:13:44,759 And that is amazing. Because I took a year in my life. I 1210 01:13:44,759 --> 01:13:47,789 studied improv comedy in Los Angeles. And it was frightening. 1211 01:13:47,909 --> 01:13:51,929 I just wanted to in my midlife, I wanted to get away from the 1212 01:13:51,929 --> 01:13:55,349 drums bill and just try something different. That was 1213 01:13:55,349 --> 01:13:59,729 creative. And kudos to any improvisational actor that can 1214 01:13:59,729 --> 01:14:01,979 get something from point A to point B and make it look 1215 01:14:02,009 --> 01:14:09,419 effortless. Wow. It's intense. So do you like to be found on 1216 01:14:09,419 --> 01:14:12,719 the worldwide web? Did you have a website? Or? 1217 01:14:13,110 --> 01:14:18,990 I don't personally the band does and I can be I can be contacted 1218 01:14:18,990 --> 01:14:22,260 through the band's website. Okay. Huey Lewis in the 1219 01:14:22,260 --> 01:14:26,760 news.com. And there's a there's a if you want to ask anything 1220 01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:28,080 Bill's available to answer. 1221 01:14:29,430 --> 01:14:32,970 I love that. Well, Bill, thank you so much. This was a long 1222 01:14:32,970 --> 01:14:35,670 overdue conversation. I hadn't seen you in like eight years. 1223 01:14:35,820 --> 01:14:38,880 I know. You know, I was gonna say I really enjoyed meeting you 1224 01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:41,400 that night in Nashville and, and I would hope and we'd had a 1225 01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:44,670 chance to talk longer, but it was just a short, quick deal and 1226 01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:48,000 but I enjoyed media and I've been a fan to you guys. And 1227 01:14:48,540 --> 01:14:50,430 thanks. Yeah. Great 1228 01:14:50,430 --> 01:14:53,850 to talk with you guys. Both, man. Thanks so much for being 1229 01:14:53,850 --> 01:14:58,260 here. And you know, hey, I realized the hard way I got your 1230 01:14:58,260 --> 01:15:00,900 cell phone number I can send you a weird means 1231 01:15:01,050 --> 01:15:03,450 you can send me anything you want at any time. 1232 01:15:03,569 --> 01:15:05,099 I love it. I mean, thanks so much. I 1233 01:15:05,099 --> 01:15:06,389 don't have his cell phone number. 1234 01:15:07,050 --> 01:15:10,710 I got yours as well. So watch what you send. Yeah, yes. 1235 01:15:11,430 --> 01:15:14,730 Send me the weird stuff. Jim, thank you as always, buddy and I 1236 01:15:14,730 --> 01:15:16,920 know this was a special time for you because it's such a fan. 1237 01:15:17,340 --> 01:15:18,150 Absolutely. Thank 1238 01:15:18,149 --> 01:15:19,049 you for having me. Hey 1239 01:15:19,049 --> 01:15:21,119 Keller, to all the listeners out there. Thank you so much for 1240 01:15:21,119 --> 01:15:23,819 your support. Be sure to subscribe, share rate and 1241 01:15:23,819 --> 01:15:27,779 review. It helps people find the show. And until then, see you 1242 01:15:27,779 --> 01:15:28,829 next time. Thanks, Bill. 1243 01:15:29,670 --> 01:15:30,600 Thank you guys. 1244 01:15:30,930 --> 01:15:35,760 This has been the rich Redmond show. 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