Don't Say Content

Over the past 5 years—and especially in 2023—hiring in every industry has been turned upside down.Marketers want to know what has changed, and what has stayed the same. What goes on behind the scenes of hiring the best marketers? How do marketing execs evaluate cover letters and resumes? What are they thinking about and evaluating during various phases of the interview process? Margaret Kelsey (VP of Marketing at Openview, Director of Brand and Creative at Invision) and Devin Bramhall (former CEO of Animalz, Director of Content at Help Scout) share their hiring secrets. Revealing how marketing execs are thinking about total compensation and benefits How marketers’ skills are evaluated, from experience, KPIs, and the ever-controversial marketing project How to research and negotiate the best salaryWhat hiring teams, marketing managers, and execs are looking for in cover letters and resumesConnect with Devin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/devinbramhall/Connect with Margaret: https://www.linkedin.com/in/margaret-kelsey-104abba/Subscribe to our newsletter: https://dontsaycontent.substack.com/Created in partnership with Share Your Genius: https://www.shareyourgenius.com/Sponsored by Ahrefs: https://ahrefs.com/ 

Show Notes

Over the past 5 years—and especially in 2023—hiring in every industry has been turned upside down.


Marketers want to know what has changed, and what has stayed the same. What goes on behind the scenes of hiring the best marketers? How do marketing execs evaluate cover letters and resumes? What are they thinking about and evaluating during various phases of the interview process? 


Margaret Kelsey (VP of Marketing at Openview, Director of Brand and Creative at Invision) and Devin Bramhall (former CEO of Animalz, Director of Content at Help Scout) share their hiring secrets. 


  • Revealing how marketing execs are thinking about total compensation and benefits 
  • How marketers’ skills are evaluated, from experience, KPIs, and the ever-controversial marketing project 
  • How to research and negotiate the best salary
  • What hiring teams, marketing managers, and execs are looking for in cover letters and resumes


Connect with Devin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/devinbramhall/

Connect with Margaret: https://www.linkedin.com/in/margaret-kelsey-104abba/

Subscribe to our newsletter: https://dontsaycontent.substack.com/


Created in partnership with Share Your Genius: https://www.shareyourgenius.com/


Sponsored by Ahrefs: https://ahrefs.com/ 



What is Don't Say Content?

Marketing and business strategy podcast for executives and marketing leaders who want to improve outcomes from marketing.

Marketing veterans Devin Bramhall (Animalz, Help Scout) & Margaret Kelsey (InVision, OpenView) use their combined 20+ years of experience to increase the business impact of marketing by creating shared understanding of its purpose and outcomes among marketing leaders, founders/CEOs & others in the C-suite.


  • Join us for in-depth conversations about B2B marketing behind the scenes:

  • How to run effective marketing teams

  • Hiring best-in-class marketing teams

  • Marketing strategy: Product-led Growth (PLG), Community marketing, Influencer marketing, micro influencers

  • Trends in B2B marketing: AI, TikTok, YouTube, LinkedIn, social platforms, email, and more

Created in partnership with Share Your Genius

An award-winning B2B podcast production company: https://www.shareyourgenius.com/