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through change and conflict.

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This was a fantastic discussion.

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I really enjoyed it.

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Okay.

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Without further ado, let's
dive into the webinar.

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Angela: Thank you so much, Matt.

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yes, change and conflict.

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big topics, but also two of my favorite.

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and I realize I sound a bit like
a masochist when I say that.

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but here is why.

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So change in conflict offer fascinating
complexity and how leaders respond and

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move during these times really matters.

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we have an enormous impact on the people
around us, and I really believe that

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now more than ever, we've strongly
need better leadership in this world.

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And the thing is that most
of us we're probably never

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trained to lead through chaos.

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We're usually trained to
strategize, to build consensus,

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analyze data to execute, right.

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but we're finding ourselves surrounded
by uncertainty in WordPress and

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the tech industry and the world,
and there's an imperative for

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business owners and freelancers.

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Any leader to adapt.

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And so you are probably being asked to
lead in ways that you weren't trained for.

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And the stakes are really high.

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It's no wonder that we are all
really stressed these days.

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and it's also why we really need to talk
about the work of change in conflict

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as essential leadership skills that are
critical to success in modern business.

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I gave a quick intro, but
I've got the intro slide here.

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So I'm gonna give a quick, quick thing
about who I am, to talk about all of this.

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so yeah, until the end of last year, I
was an automatic sponsored contributor.

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I.

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And I left to, actually pursue a master's
degree as well and to become a leadership

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coach specializing in transition.

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So I'm really helping people
who are moving into a leadership

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role or increasing their
leadership responsibility.

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and so I'm frequently supporting people
through these big, high stakes changes or.

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Intentious disagreements
or lots of ambiguity.

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And so for me, change in conflict
have really become the work.

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and like I said, this topic
is, near and dear to my heart.

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So I also have done a fair
amount of research and reflection

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on this particular topic.

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And so this webinar is.

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Informed by both theoretical
and practical experience.

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And in particular here I'm drawing from
a really great book by Adam Kahane.

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which honestly I would recommend
just for the title alone.

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It is called, collaborating with the
Enemy, how to Work with People We

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Don't agree with, don't like, or Trust.

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I'm wondering if that
resonates with anybody here.

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Okay, so this is a really
big topic, that we're packing

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into, I think about 30 minutes.

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And so if there is one thing I really
want you to take away, it is this,

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change is inevitable and conflict is
natural, and leadership is learning to

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work with both, starting with yourself.

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Leading through change is not
about having the perfect strategy.

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rather it is about how we participate
and how we advance, starting with

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examining what our role is in the dynamic.

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We are going to dig into all of this and,
I do wanna be clear, I'm not promising

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that you're gonna leave with all of
your stickiest conflicts resolved.

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but I do hope that you're gonna walk away
with some new perspectives and maybe even

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some actionable steps on how to navigate,
the uncertainty and change that you are

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facing, and perhaps some clarity around
your role as a leader in this space.

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And so to get started, let's, get
some baseline of where we all are now.

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this is a new to me tool, so we're
gonna see how well this works.

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that if you scan that QR code, it
should take you to a Mentimeter poll.

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And I would like you to rank the
level of change that you are facing

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today, from one to five, one being.

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Blissfully bored.

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So no changes whatsoever,
to five being help.

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It's chaos out there, so
changes everywhere and you

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are feeling very overwhelmed.

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let's see.

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I think it should update
live, but it might, I might

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need to just like refresh it.

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So we'll give it a second
and see what happens here.

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Matt: For the record, I did,
vote and it says, please wait for

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the presenter to change slides.

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Angela: Great.

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I love it.

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Wondered by.

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Aha.

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Okay.

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Yeah, so shifting gears
and trying to keep up.

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We have one help.

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It's chaos out there.

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so yeah, not too surprising given
the state of everything that, we

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are experiencing changes out there.

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So.

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Great.

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and then, okay.

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One more poll, I promise.

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Last one.

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Okay, so this poll, this time,
I would like you to share how

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comfortable you are with conflict.

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one being you avoid it at all costs.

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You hate it.

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three being you're okay with it,
you're engaging a little bit,

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and five being you love conflict.

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You're ready to take it all on.

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All right.

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Let's see.

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Oof.

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All right.

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We've got one.

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I avoided it at all costs and
one, I try to be diplomatic.

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So yeah, it's, thank
you so much for sharing.

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the reason I, I like asking this
is because change in conflict

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bring up such a range for us.

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Like everything here is
completely normal as a response.

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fear of, change of uncertainty.

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Doubt are all very normal responses.

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and at the same time, they can
also inspire excitement, right?

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The possibility of something new or
new opportunities or new connections.

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even conflict itself holds the same.

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Like some people really abor
confronting others, while other people.

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I've got a good friend who's just like.

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Loves to confront people.

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and so it can be really exciting too.

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sometimes a good fight can clear
the air and actually for just

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a stronger bond between people.

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So very normal that we feel so much
around changing conflict and in my

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opinion, also pretty cool that humans
have the capacity for all of that.

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So, okay, I'm gonna quickly focus
on change at its fundamentals.

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So when any sort of change happens, it is
both an external and an internal shift.

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So the change itself may be situational,
like it's happening all around us.

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and we are also going to
undergo an internal transition

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in experiencing the change.

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So to visualize this, I always like to
pull the, William Bridge transition model,

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which captures how a group of humans
will move through a change over time.

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So at the inception of change, you're
gonna have some people who are already

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on board, some people who are kind of
unsure, and then quite a few, depending

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on the change, who are focused on
what is lost, and then over time.

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That kind of shifts.

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So not gonna stay here for too long,
only to say that there is a ton of

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work to be done with any change.

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just in like, not just in the number of
things to do, but also for most people,

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the emotions or the feelings around the
situation that have to be processed.

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And so an exceptional leader will
be able to kind of anticipate

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that and successfully bring
their people through this, and

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point them in the same direction.

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So to illustrate this
with a simple example.

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One big change that we've probably
all heard or seen somewhere is

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implementing AI driven support.

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often when this happens, there's
everything from fear to excitement,

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for example, fear that AI is taking
your job, or questions around if

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the AI is going to do the job well.

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there might be excitement in modernizing
the tools, and with any change.

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Conflict is also natural.

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You're gonna have the people who are
just staunchly against implementing that

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AI driven support, or you're gonna see
disagreement on how it should be done.

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And so in those moments, you can use some
great leadership tactics to just help

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your people through the change, right?

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For example, acknowledging that things
are lost and validating those experiences.

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You can provide resources or
training leading up to the change.

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You should celebrate
the wins along the way.

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That's, one we often forget to do.

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you can also paint a clear
vision of what is to come.

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And so all of this works really well
within conventional collaboration, which

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is what usually happens within one company
or just one team where we can generally

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agree on what the focus of the changes,
the goal, the plan, the steps forward,

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and even who is responsible for what.

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However, all too frequently now
we are not so isolated, right?

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Like we have to work outside of our
nuclear teams, and increasingly we

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are dealing with overlapping issues.

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So I.

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For conflicts and changes that pop up.

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We're also seeing increased polarization
where we have people who are very

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much on opposite sides of the issues.

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And on top of that, you have
multiple changes and multiple

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conflicts happening simultaneously.

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And so the world that we're faced with
today, William Bridge's great transition

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model, looks a little more like this.

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It's kind of a mess.

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you don't really know where it starts
or where it ends or even where you are.

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and this unfortunately is more the
norm for everyone in these days.

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And then to compound the problem, we
likely disagree on the problems, the

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plans, the focus, and we, there's
no way that we are going to agree

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on who is responsible for what.

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I see this everywhere.

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for example, if I were to ask five
people what the biggest challenge

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facing WordPress is today, I
would probably get at least four,

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if not six, different answers.

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Is it governance?

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Is it the product roadmap?

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Is it marketing?

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Is it lawsuits?

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and then WordPress itself is
also part of broader challenges

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facing the tech industry, right?

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Like we have questions
around ai, ethics, security.

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Also governance.

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and then beyond that, the tech
industry itself is part of even

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broader concerns facing the world.

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Political concerns, socioeconomic,
environmental concerns.

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These are really enormous challenges.

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and as I mentioned earlier.

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In these complex problems, we're
seeing more and more polarization and

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disagreement, and so we aren't going
to agree on what the core issues or

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what the solutions are, and so it's
already supposed to lead through that.

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well for these most complex of
challenges where we don't know the

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future, where we can't agree on the
problems we're facing or how to move

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forward, we are going to try for what
Adam Kahane calls stretch collaboration.

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So stretch collaboration is necessary
for when we don't agree on the focus,

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when we can't control the outcome,
and maybe we don't even like or

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trust those we have to work with.

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What we do know is that we
cannot stay where we are now.

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We have to make progress.

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And so this is a big change in of itself.

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Like you can see why it's called
stretch collaboration, right?

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Because essentially what I'm asking
you to do is to let go of those

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tightly held hopes for consensus and
alignment and trust and shared goals,

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all of those really beautiful things
that leaders are usually striving to

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build, which is pretty terrifying.

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And it can also be really freeing.

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So I'm gonna talk through three
core leadership shifts that can

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help us lead through these really
complex changes and conflicts.

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First, you gotta connect
to the conflict and change.

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you have to connect with it if you're
going to lead people through it.

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This is because everyone is going to
connect differently, especially given

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how complex these situations are.

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And so even if we don't agree,
we can still discuss what is

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happening, meaning we have to
welcome it and create space for that.

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And as leaders, change in
conflict are critical signals.

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Critical signals.

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They are indicators that
something is happening.

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And when something happens, we have to
know what our priorities are, right to us,

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to our team, to the success of our work.

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It really starts with us connecting
to the conflict and change internally

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and defining what we hold important.

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And then because we are part of broader
communities and industries, we also

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have to connect to other people and
see where our priorities overlap

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with theirs and where they diverge.

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And what we're working towards here
is building a culture of pluralism,

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which is a concept that has.

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Roots in political, religious,
organizational philosophy.

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basically that disagreement
leads to better outcomes.

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And it's not about everyone agreeing
but moving forward, even when we do not.

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So WordPress itself.

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Another great example here, WordPress
is not a singular mind or voice.

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It is many with overlapping
buckets of priorities.

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And so a culture of pluralism will
acknowledge the significance of

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all of these different voices.

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and I do really wanna make the
distinction here that this is.

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Not about building consensus.

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It's simply acknowledgement, meaning
that we do have to listen to other

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people, and it is about being willing to
work together despite the disagreement.

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And in order to build pluralism, we
have to engage and assert in turn.

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So when we connect with conflict
and change and the people we have

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to work with, we have to do both.

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We have to engage and we have to hear what
other people believe are the problems.

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Just as we share the same and we listen
to what we hold, what other people

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hold as their priorities, and we assert
our own so that we do stand up for

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ourselves, our clients, our teams.

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To do this requires both the capacity
and the awareness and a balance of both.

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this quote by Martin Luther King Jr.

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Captures this sentiment.

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Power without love is reckless
and abusive, and love without

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power is sentimental and anemic.

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Engaging and asserting in times
of complex change and conflict

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helps to further the conversation.

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However, if we go too far with
just one or the other, we're gonna

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find ourselves only listening to
other people or only asserting our

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priorities, and that comes at a cost to
ourselves and at any cans at progress.

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And so to connect this to your
own work, I'm gonna offer you

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this question for reflection

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in a conflict or change that
you are currently facing, how

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are you engaging and asserting?

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So that's the first big leadership shift.

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The second, leadership shift
that we is, that we are going to.

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Abandon the illusion of control
in favor of experimentation.

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one very unfortunate and also very normal
outcome of change and conflict is getting

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stuck and we end up losing time to trying
to agree on the problem or the solutions.

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and what we're doing there in
effect is that we are trying

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to control the situation.

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We're trying to get
certainty and clarity when.

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We aren't going to get it.

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It's, it's impossible to do so.

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And so if we are willing to give
up some control, if we are willing

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to accept that people disagree
with us, it frees us up to act.

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And this step absolutely relies on
our ability to connect and engage with

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change in conflict, because we need
to be able to connect with priorities

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that are different from our own.

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And when we can acknowledge that we don't
have some control here, we can experiment.

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So, project managers and people who
love to plan in this room, I, I see you.

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creating plans here can really help
as long as they are flexible and you

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have some idea of knowing, when that
plan no longer makes sense, and then

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longer term strategies can be realized
through this kind of experimentation.

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And the goal here is to simply try
and to learn and then to try again.

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success here is not that you
achieve every single, make your

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priority, but rather success here is
getting unstuck and moving forward.

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And to tie this into word pressy
terms lead like a jazz musician.

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Improv is still bound by the definitions
of music, but allows for that

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expression and experimental free form.

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And, sometimes that, that unexpected
riff is what changes everything.

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I.

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So when it comes to abandoning
control and embracing experimentation,

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I'm gonna ask you this.

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In the conflict or change that
you are facing, what is a singular

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step that you are willing to try?

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All right, so that's number two.

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And, we're gonna move on to the last big
leadership shift, which is, honestly the

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most profound and the most challenging.

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and it is you look inward and to
be willing to change yourself.

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If you are currently in a leadership
role, you've probably had the

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experience of leading a project
or a strategy or something where

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some unexpected challenge came up.

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And in that moment you probably examined
what happened, looked around, and you were

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able to quickly identify what happened and
you were able to address it immediately.

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And in this case.

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You had control over
that situation, right?

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You had the power to do so, but in
stretch collaboration, you're not

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going to have that level of control.

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So even if you do identify what
went wrong, chances are you're not

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able to do much about it in that
moment, or at least exert that

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much control over the situation.

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And, unfortunately we experience
that more and more these days and

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when that happens, one very natural
thing that people do, most people

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do in this situation is to blame.

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we say things like, oh my
God, what were they thinking?

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God, they really shouldn't have done that.

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If I were in charge, I
would not have done that.

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you can see I, I'm good at doing this.

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we, we say this to our friends,
sometimes we take to social media

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and we get affirmation in return.

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It is.

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Really natural for us to
overestimate how correct we are

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and the value of our actions.

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yeah, I've done this a million times
and I will, likely continue to do so.

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It's normal.

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When we feel conflict, it's often
because something is going against

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our value system and our priorities.

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And so by overestimating how
correct I am in my actions,

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I am affirming those values.

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Right?

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And, I'm also, affirming what
I do not want to stand up for.

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Again, super normal thing to do.

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what matters here is that we are
aware of it because one side effect of

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overestimating how correct we are, is
that we underestimate, how correct other

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people are and their values, and so.

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If we hold onto this self-affirmation
too tightly, we really impede

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any chance of moving forward.

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One thing that you're always likely
to have control of in these moments

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of conflict and change is control
over yourself and your actions.

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And so growing yourself awareness and
examining where you might change is

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a really powerful way to get unstuck.

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And so, the next time I invite you
to just notice when you start to

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blame others, when you are faced
with change in conflict, just

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notice it, and then turn it inward.

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What is your role here and what
are you willing to do differently?

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So those are the three leadership shifts.

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to recap real quick, in those moments
where scratch collaboration is needed

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to address the complex changes and
conflicts you are facing, these

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are the leadership shifts to try.

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The first is to connect to the conflict
and change by engaging and asserting.

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You have to know what your priorities
are, and you have to be willing to

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acknowledge the priorities of others.

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The second is to abandon the illusion of
control and focus on trying something,

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even if it is something small.

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and remember here, success is
getting unstuck and moving forward.

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And then last but not least, to
look inward and to examine what you

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are willing to change in yourself
so that you can change the dynamic

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of the situation that you face.

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Because remember,

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change is inevitable.

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Conflict is natural, and
leadership is learning to work

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with both starting with yourself.

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and as I wrap up here, I just wanna
acknowledge that, It is super easy for

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me to come here and say all of this.

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and so I really get it if, you're
dubious about some of this or

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feeling overwhelmed or not sure.

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because these are very
big, broad ideas that are.

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Way easier said than done.

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And we are really living in
uncertain, chaotic times.

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And, I'm guessing that many of you
are under a lot of pressure right

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now because leading other people is
already an immense responsibility.

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And most of us probably know what it
feels like to be led by a great leader

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or, conversely by a really terrible one.

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And so choosing to lead from a place of
awareness and humility and responsibility

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is not easy at all, but it is invaluable.

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for, for your clients, for your team,
for your community, and for you.

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Change is inevitable and conflict
is natural, and leadership is

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learning to work with both.

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Starting with yourself.

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So the work that we do in here is just
as important as the work we do out there.

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And moving forward is not
just an outward reaction.

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It's not just an outward action.

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It's sometimes resting and
reflecting, and sometimes it's

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spending time with the people who
you love and who do think like you.

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And sometimes it's just letting
yourself be because you cannot

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navigate change or conflict.

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If you are depleted or disconnected, and
so caring for yourself, getting rest,

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finding joy, holding hope, those are all
essential leadership practices as well.

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And so I'm gonna leave you with
one last question for reflection.

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If change is inevitable and
conflict is natural, what kind of

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leader would you be if you showed
up wholly unabashedly yourself?

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And that's the invite.

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It's not to fix it all, but
to stay engaged and to stay

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human and to keep on leading.

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That's it.

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Thank you everyone.

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Matt: That's fantastic.

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Thanks so much.

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Angela, the, I just wanna make sure
as well, the call to action for

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your domain is angela sgin.com,

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that they can find you there for
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That's right.

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Fantastic.