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Hello and welcome back to Subspace Radio.

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We are reaching the end game of Star
Trek: Starfleet Academy and we here at

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Subspace Radio are here to talk about it.

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I'm Rob,

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I'm Kevin,

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and we are looking at
episode nine of season one of

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Starfleet Academy: 300th Night.

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It's almost over the, the year is almost
over the, the season's almost over.

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I saw some people online going, that
was a heck of a season cliffhanger,

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and they were delighted to hear that
there was still one more episode.

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Still one more to go.

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Still one more to go.

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A lot was done in a, in a short
amount of time and the looming

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threat of our overarching villain
was present, even though he was not.

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He was not.

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Uh, Lura Thok was not also
only mentioned in dialogue.

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So yeah, there, I mean the entire
bridge crew was missing as well.

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Uh, that was the biggest thing for me.

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We went to such great pains to
introduce them by name in the pilot,

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and it was like, yeah, here's uh,
Lieutenant Ya and Enson Weldu.

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They will, uh, never be seen again.

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Never again.

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Yeah.

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And the, the, the thing for me was, it
was the second last episode and it was a

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very, like, physically contained episode.

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There was very few, there was like the,
the, the set of the planet they went

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to, Ukeck, and there was just on the
bridge, but it felt very contained.

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We had a lot of mentions of characters
who've been in, involved in, so

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that was, Lura was a big one.

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She's been missing quite a few episodes.

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Like we didn't

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Yeah, I feel like she was only
available for the first half the

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season or something, and they're
just keeping her alive in dialogue

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and, and appearances on the comm.

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She was very heavy in the first section,
then she sort of like handed the baton to

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her lover and then it was taken over by

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And boys Tig taking it.

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Oh, Tig is doing, uh, they have
found how to use Jett Reno.

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I feel like just in the past few
episodes, she is still the same character,

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but the gravitas has appeared and I
think back to the times where she was

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like wandering around engineering.

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In Discovery and no one was
quite sure what her job was

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other than eating licorice.

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And back then it wasn't quite working, and
you could see what they were going for.

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They were kind of going for
a, a, Dr. McCoy Scotty hybrid.

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What if the grumpy officer on
the ship was the chief engineer?

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And they finally found it.

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It is, it is working so well.

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Uh, love Jett Reno is, is skyrocketing
to the top of my favorite characters.

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Yes.

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Yeah, they have definitely done
Tig a service they have, um, given

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her the right platform within Star
Trek for her character to shine.

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Um, and just to have a bridge crew of
Holly Hunter, Tig and Robert Picardo,

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I'm there, well, that is awesome on
whatever level you are playing at.

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Yeah.

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Like it, it felt like they could
spend a bit of money on a bunch

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of small characters or a lot of
money on their three mains, and

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they went the second option.

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But yeah, for me it felt like they
were talking a lot about how widespread

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this whole, um, threat was, but
it was very contained to, it was a

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very human, self-contained story.

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So lot of explaining of stuff
that was happening outside.

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We didn't see a lot of it.

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Um, and so that was very
interesting as an episode.

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It

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Oh yeah, like the landing on
Betazed was only talked about it

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Only talked about, we only see
screen representations of what

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these kind of, um, mines can do.

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Um, we had a little bit of a space
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came in and attacked, uh, the Athena.

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Um, but it was very short.

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It was very much, they were, I don't
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the money for the last episode, but
it did feel very much a case of it

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wasn't this big bombastic two-parter.

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I feel like what they did was
done at a very high quality.

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I mean, going back to the on the
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they, they did a lot with a little
rather than a little with a lot.

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Uh, so yeah, I agree that everything
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yeah, care, carefully produced
in high quality in general.

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I'd say the, the, the one exception
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zooming out of the, to give us
the sense of the mines in space.

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The scale is way off there.

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Like if it is, if it is enclosing
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entire Federation of Planets, a big
chunk of the alpha beta quadrants.

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The curvature should not be visible.

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You should never see more than
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But they had like a web of them at that,
at, at that distance from each other.

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I feel like you would need trillions,
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enclose the Federation and, and you
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that, that, uh, screen in real life.

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So, uh, yeah.

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illustrative rather than literal.

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And a, and a convenient nebula right
next to where they wanted to be.

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Oh, I love a hide in the nebula.

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That's good.

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Yes.

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But the positioning of it was like,
I'm there going hide near that nebula.

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I went, okay.

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So it would be, you know, you
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And the red wall is
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With

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Yeah, go right,

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being nestled in,

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this is right around,
right next to that thing.

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It's a shame 'cause the
visuals are beautiful.

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Someone obviously put a lot of care
and love into the appearance of

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those shots, but the, the science,
the, the like attention to, uh.

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verisimilitude was lacking and, and that's
something that I feel like happens a

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bit in modern Star Trek at the moment,
that they go to a lot of trouble and

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fail to avoid some basic mistakes.

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Yes.

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Um, so yeah, we, we, we
hit the ground running.

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We went straight into our discussions.

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We are here, as always, to talk
about the most recent of Star Trek,

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and then something that connects,
uh, all those little pieces

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Connects by disconnecting,
if you will, Rob.

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That's right.

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Oh, look at that.

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Set 'em up and knock 'em down.

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We're gonna be talking saucer
separations in the second half

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Shish separations.

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Spectacular shish separations.

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So, yes, there's a key moment in this
episode where of course, uh, Ake needs

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to make the decision of disconnecting
the saucer from the atrium section

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of the ship, um, to escape and flee.

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Um.

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That is, uh, sent us spiraling down
another, uh, saucer separation section.

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Another transwarp conduit.

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Um, but the big focus of this episode,
let's get back to the, the thrust of

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300th Night, um, was the re uh, the
final return, uh, finally the return

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of, um, uh, Caleb's mom has finally
shown up, and I've gotta admit their

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reconnection was done really, really well.

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There was a beautiful moment.

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Those, yeah, they took a long
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recent episodes when they, when
everything stops and we just let two

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characters be together for 30 seconds.

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It's so satisfying and
it was done well here

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Really well and like

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shot that that covered hallway with
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was used in two or three places in this
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vendors in it and stuff, but having
it completely empty here with just

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the wet floor and the light shine, the
back light shining through, it was ugh.

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Wonderful, wonderful shots
for that, that reunion.

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And like for, for, for two actors who
need to give this impression of having

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known each other their entire lives,
losing almost two decades of time

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together, uh, it's a great, great craft
and especially for our young Caleb Mir.

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Acted, beautifully written.

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The, the, Where did you go, Mama, mama.

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It's like they both regressed to the
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would've said then, what was the
last thing I couldn't say to you?

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And that's the first thing
they said to each other.

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Tatiana Maslany is an Emmy
award-winning actress.

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She's an absolute, uh,
powerhouse of a performer.

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But, um, uh, our young, uh, Caleb Mir,
having to step up with someone at that

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level of performing skill, um, and
match them, I was thoroughly impressed.

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And all his swagger, all his, um, you
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that we've seen all through the season,
which can be a little bit grating, but

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very much in the style of what, uh,
this show is to have that scene done

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Yeah.

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Swagger with insecurity behind it.

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Yeah.

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And all that swagger, all that swagger
leaving and just, just this connection

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happening was, um, beautiful stuff.

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Mm.

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Uh, enjoyed the shuttle theft.

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Love a good, love, a good
ship theft in Star Trek.

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Uh, this, this shuttle was established
a couple of episodes earlier when,

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uh, Ake and the Doctor took, uh,
SAM back to her home world of Kasq.

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This was the warp shuttle that they took.

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So it was established that the Athena
has a shuttle that is warp capable.

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Is a very, it's a very spacious one.

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Like there's like, like the

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like this, this shuttle you stand
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kind of established in Discovery,
and they've been reusing that

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same set of windows ever since.

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Yes.

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Um, but like the ones that we are
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nice, snug little, uh uh, Runabouts.

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This one is quite, with not much in
it, it's just a large empty space.

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And there go put a desk
in there or something.

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Could just have in the middle.

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Um, but yeah, uh, it just the
escalation of, uh, the snowballing

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effect of and here's, yeah, and here's
every ca Here's Genesis coming in.

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Here's SAM coming in.

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Yeah.

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Darem coming in drunk.

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We lack a lot of enzymes!

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Bananas, alcohol.

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He was funny, this episode.

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I liked it.

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He was very good.

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The glitter vomit worked for me,
so, uh, like the, I think I didn't

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like it earlier in the season, but
that was a setup for this, where he

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goes, It is all over my trousers,
he says in a weird French accent.

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It just like wasn't this big
explosion, like when it was

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first shown in slow motion.

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This one just like dribbled

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drunk person spew.

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They're not quite aware
of what's happening.

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Yes.

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Um, but yeah.

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Uh, very good stuff like
tensions building up.

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Um, oh yeah.

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We didn't even talk like SAM is back
and we finally got to see the new

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Sam with such short amount of time.

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heard her called and yeah, seeing,
seeing her reflective, I, I

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was going through my other me's
memories and I didn't respect her.

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And Caleb, even in a low
moment, Caleb talking her up.

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So good.

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I, you know, it turns out I'm just
a sucker for the YA stuff, Rob.

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Feed it to me with a spoon.

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Well, we can start up a, uh, Hunger
Games podcast now, and we can go

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the t Twilight novels as well.

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Oh, God, I can't believe I just said that.

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Um, yeah, I'm very interested to see
like, uh, the tension between Genesis

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and SAM has come out of the blue, but
obviously that's what the, one of the,

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the victims of a 10 episode season.

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Um, clearly there's stuff going on
there that we have to sort of like

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catch up with, um, with this new SAM.

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but we haven't seen New SAM, so
it's just a case of hello New SAM.

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All right, so you've got all
these issues and problems in

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SAM in general seems to be reacting
negatively to anyone, um, implying she's

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the same person and, like the, You don't
know me, you don't know anything about me.

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I think Genesis has just been in
the firing line, but I think she's

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giving a bit of that to everyone.

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Yes.

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But, um, great stuff from our, uh,
distance and emotional, uh, I isolation

231
00:12:24,258 --> 00:12:26,208
with the Doctor and SAM to begin with.

232
00:12:26,388 --> 00:12:29,658
Now it's, you know, it's
daddy, it's, it's, it's

233
00:12:30,071 --> 00:12:31,061
I know his passwords.

234
00:12:31,061 --> 00:12:32,381
I use them to steal shuttles.

235
00:12:32,381 --> 00:12:32,711
Yeah.

236
00:12:34,413 --> 00:12:38,163
And just how, you know, how relieved
he was when they finally reconnected.

237
00:12:38,163 --> 00:12:40,353
That type of stuff was, uh, great.

238
00:12:40,383 --> 00:12:43,143
A lot of, you know, reunions
in this episode of, you know,

239
00:12:43,173 --> 00:12:45,753
parents with their, with their
children, which was great to see.

240
00:12:46,493 --> 00:12:50,261
Tarima and Jay-Den being left
on the sidelines was a bit of a

241
00:12:50,261 --> 00:12:54,191
shame, but worth it for the joke
of Well, that's a design flaw!

242
00:12:59,136 --> 00:12:59,406
Yeah.

243
00:12:59,406 --> 00:13:02,886
I'm curious to see how all of these
characters are gonna be used in episode

244
00:13:02,886 --> 00:13:07,026
10 because there did feel like a certain
amount of, let's split our people up,

245
00:13:07,026 --> 00:13:11,556
let's put them in particular places,
that has not quite paid off yet.

246
00:13:11,586 --> 00:13:14,646
I mean, Tarima and Jay-Den are around.

247
00:13:14,646 --> 00:13:17,856
They are, they have been dismissed
to the Captain's quarters.

248
00:13:18,066 --> 00:13:20,556
What's gonna hap, like,
what are they going to do?

249
00:13:20,556 --> 00:13:23,916
I feel like there is a reason they're
in that room for plot purposes.

250
00:13:24,718 --> 00:13:24,868
Uh.

251
00:13:25,738 --> 00:13:30,598
Um, we've been a little underwhelmed
recently by, uh, well, I, I

252
00:13:30,598 --> 00:13:33,988
have of Tarima's stuff, but she
was handled really well today.

253
00:13:34,168 --> 00:13:35,278
Uh, with this episode.

254
00:13:35,278 --> 00:13:36,028
She was written really

255
00:13:36,276 --> 00:13:37,301
Uh, turbo lift ride?

256
00:13:37,958 --> 00:13:40,048
Turbolift ride, the whole,
you've seen me naked and you've

257
00:13:40,048 --> 00:13:41,298
seen me kill a whole heap of

258
00:13:42,288 --> 00:13:43,428
That was a great line.

259
00:13:43,826 --> 00:13:45,326
It was a very Buffy line, I felt like.

260
00:13:45,808 --> 00:13:47,463
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

261
00:13:47,613 --> 00:13:51,603
Um, and it's a, it's a horrible
movie and it's one of my favorite

262
00:13:51,603 --> 00:13:53,103
characters, the Green Lantern film.

263
00:13:53,223 --> 00:13:57,363
Um, there's a great moment in the Green
Lanter film where you've got Hal Jordan

264
00:13:57,363 --> 00:14:03,213
played by, um, uh, Ryan Reynolds and,
uh, Carol Ferris, played by Blake Lively.

265
00:14:03,213 --> 00:14:04,383
That's the film that got him together.

266
00:14:04,413 --> 00:14:05,043
Ooh, gossip.

267
00:14:05,463 --> 00:14:08,673
Um, but like he's wearing a
mask to pretend that he's a

268
00:14:08,673 --> 00:14:10,293
different character and, um.

269
00:14:11,253 --> 00:14:14,373
They've had a relationship before,
and so he's in disguise and at

270
00:14:14,373 --> 00:14:17,433
the end she goes, of course I know
it's you, Hal, I've seen you naked.

271
00:14:17,463 --> 00:14:17,853
Okay.

272
00:14:18,033 --> 00:14:20,073
you think a little bit of
material covering your eyes

273
00:14:20,073 --> 00:14:21,663
is going to hide who you are.

274
00:14:22,136 --> 00:14:22,976
Oh no.

275
00:14:23,246 --> 00:14:26,546
50 years of superhero
lore, crumbles like that.

276
00:14:26,973 --> 00:14:29,733
Yeah, didn't make much of an
impact that film, but yeah, I

277
00:14:29,733 --> 00:14:35,493
love that type of genuine writing
about connections and the history

278
00:14:35,641 --> 00:14:37,526
Naming the weird thing is fun.

279
00:14:37,556 --> 00:14:37,916
Yeah.

280
00:14:38,403 --> 00:14:44,403
And his little speech towards her was a,
was a, a nicely written, um, tribute to

281
00:14:44,403 --> 00:14:49,263
her and it's like him letting go of all
his shmuckiness and his, uh, you know,

282
00:14:49,473 --> 00:14:52,113
um, yeah, difficultness as a human being.

283
00:14:52,113 --> 00:14:54,783
He just like, spoke to her truthfully.

284
00:14:55,293 --> 00:14:55,833
Was a,

285
00:14:55,991 --> 00:14:59,111
the goodbye in the corridor
where he says she's music.

286
00:14:59,238 --> 00:14:59,838
That part.

287
00:14:59,958 --> 00:15:01,458
That part was really good.

288
00:15:01,518 --> 00:15:03,888
Really like not schmaltzy at all.

289
00:15:03,888 --> 00:15:07,608
It was a really nice, heartfelt
moment and beautifully written.

290
00:15:07,608 --> 00:15:09,948
Yeah, you're music is, is great.

291
00:15:10,061 --> 00:15:11,021
Several points.

292
00:15:11,021 --> 00:15:16,301
This episode, uh, the actor playing
Caleb beer was given a big ask and

293
00:15:16,301 --> 00:15:20,321
really rose to the occasion when
he gets the, when he gets finally

294
00:15:20,321 --> 00:15:22,451
access to his mother's messages.

295
00:15:23,121 --> 00:15:25,631
Cries, oh yeah, just

296
00:15:25,923 --> 00:15:27,038
Two years worth of

297
00:15:27,111 --> 00:15:31,511
four big, big moments for that
character here, like being emotionally

298
00:15:31,511 --> 00:15:33,036
shattered for one reason or another.

299
00:15:33,136 --> 00:15:35,891
And, uh, he pulls it off every time.

300
00:15:35,891 --> 00:15:41,951
Even the breakup scene in, on, uh,
Ukeck, where he's like, where he's

301
00:15:41,951 --> 00:15:47,261
saying ugly things to his friends to make
them go away, is beautifully handled.

302
00:15:47,261 --> 00:15:50,351
Like it's an awkward scene, but
it's supposed to feel awkward.

303
00:15:50,351 --> 00:15:53,681
He's, he is forcing it, and
that's why it feels forced.

304
00:15:53,681 --> 00:15:55,631
I, I love the balance they struck there.

305
00:15:55,788 --> 00:15:56,268
Yeah.

306
00:15:56,268 --> 00:15:58,398
And how all three characters responded.

307
00:15:58,398 --> 00:16:02,298
SAM, getting back to a little bit
of great work from the SAM actor as

308
00:16:02,298 --> 00:16:03,558
well, 'cause we were talking about it.

309
00:16:03,558 --> 00:16:08,178
How are they gonna handle playing SAM
one way and now SAM a different way?

310
00:16:08,291 --> 00:16:09,971
Yeah, she's playing
different but the same.

311
00:16:09,971 --> 00:16:10,841
It's so good to

312
00:16:11,028 --> 00:16:12,318
Very good work.

313
00:16:12,318 --> 00:16:14,238
It's very, very good work.

314
00:16:14,238 --> 00:16:15,198
It's good Star Trek.

315
00:16:15,198 --> 00:16:17,603
It's good acting, it's good
writing, it's good direction.

316
00:16:17,663 --> 00:16:18,603
So, um.

317
00:16:18,896 --> 00:16:23,376
I can't believe this show is at risk of
not coming back after a second season.

318
00:16:23,486 --> 00:16:30,491
This is, this is not only the best
Star Trek we have seen in since the

319
00:16:30,491 --> 00:16:33,251
new era has come back with Discovery.

320
00:16:33,341 --> 00:16:36,581
This might be the best
Star Trek I've ever seen.

321
00:16:36,693 --> 00:16:37,473
Oh wow.

322
00:16:38,021 --> 00:16:42,956
I, I think it is just, it is so
well handled, so well written, so

323
00:16:42,956 --> 00:16:44,486
well acted, and so well produced.

324
00:16:44,486 --> 00:16:45,866
It has everything.

325
00:16:45,866 --> 00:16:49,496
Whereas I feel like at one time or
another we have always had to apologize

326
00:16:49,496 --> 00:16:53,786
for some aspect of what's on our
screen or, and look past it as fans.

327
00:16:54,026 --> 00:16:55,856
It is just so good right now.

328
00:16:56,268 --> 00:16:56,618
Great.

329
00:16:57,393 --> 00:17:01,143
Yes, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm enjoying
it far more than I thought I would.

330
00:17:01,473 --> 00:17:07,788
Um, uh, I particularly liked, uh, you
know, the, after the moment of pushing

331
00:17:07,788 --> 00:17:13,098
his friends away so they can escape,
then them being caught and both him e

332
00:17:13,158 --> 00:17:18,138
even with the history of his mom with
Federation, the fact that he goes back,

333
00:17:18,138 --> 00:17:19,638
he says, sorry mom, I've gotta do this.

334
00:17:19,638 --> 00:17:21,138
I, they're my friends.

335
00:17:21,468 --> 00:17:25,428
They're, you know, uh, they are from
Starfleet, but I am as well and stuff.

336
00:17:25,548 --> 00:17:26,268
And he goes back.

337
00:17:26,268 --> 00:17:27,883
To that moment where they both.

338
00:17:29,283 --> 00:17:34,413
Trying to distract them using
all their years of hustle and

339
00:17:34,503 --> 00:17:36,243
con artists and how to survive.

340
00:17:36,243 --> 00:17:41,493
Like she mom, mom's playing her
cards and playing his cards.

341
00:17:41,493 --> 00:17:43,743
And so they're both working together to,

342
00:17:43,796 --> 00:17:44,966
Are you two working together?

343
00:17:44,966 --> 00:17:45,266
Nope.

344
00:17:45,326 --> 00:17:46,076
No, we're not.

345
00:17:46,166 --> 00:17:46,856
Definitely not.

346
00:17:47,073 --> 00:17:49,773
Dunno, this person, dunno, this
person got this thing here.

347
00:17:50,466 --> 00:17:57,179
And then Nus Brakka's hench, uh, woman
says to, Anisha, hang on, I know you.

348
00:17:57,179 --> 00:17:59,819
And then the, the phasers come out.

349
00:17:59,819 --> 00:18:02,789
There is that clipped
line, just there to go.

350
00:18:02,789 --> 00:18:03,869
Hang on.

351
00:18:04,499 --> 00:18:06,089
was in the inner circle.

352
00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,819
There something going on here
that we still don't know.

353
00:18:08,969 --> 00:18:13,679
I think that's the last shoe to drop in
next episode is like exactly what was

354
00:18:13,679 --> 00:18:16,929
Anisha Amir's role with the Venari Ral?

355
00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,039
Does it have something to do
with these trillions of minues

356
00:18:20,239 --> 00:18:22,819
encircling Federation space?

357
00:18:23,149 --> 00:18:25,879
Uh, is is she going to be
able to redeem herself?

358
00:18:25,879 --> 00:18:27,469
Is she gonna have to sacrifice

359
00:18:27,846 --> 00:18:28,626
as herself.

360
00:18:28,656 --> 00:18:33,396
Yeah, that's the, the, the
big after saucer separation,

361
00:18:33,546 --> 00:18:36,111
the big S word is sacrifice?

362
00:18:37,009 --> 00:18:37,489
Mm.

363
00:18:38,341 --> 00:18:38,561
Um.

364
00:18:39,636 --> 00:18:42,876
But yeah, and she did a very cool,
like she had her arms crossed

365
00:18:42,906 --> 00:18:46,926
down and the gun was there and
she just did the up to shoot them.

366
00:18:47,346 --> 00:18:48,816
Just very cool.

367
00:18:49,484 --> 00:18:50,534
Fun stuff.

368
00:18:50,534 --> 00:18:50,894
Yeah.

369
00:18:53,144 --> 00:18:56,564
Well, I'm not sure there's
much else to say about this

370
00:18:56,564 --> 00:18:58,094
episode other than I loved it.

371
00:18:58,636 --> 00:19:04,356
Well, let's focus on what this whole
episode is a focus on, to sacrifice

372
00:19:04,416 --> 00:19:05,886
the atrium so that they can escape.

373
00:19:07,036 --> 00:19:11,026
Uh, the saucer is separated from
the Athena, which leads us down the

374
00:19:11,026 --> 00:19:16,516
path of what other moments have the,
uh, saucers been separated, uh, for

375
00:19:16,516 --> 00:19:18,316
particular reasons within Star Trek.

376
00:19:18,316 --> 00:19:24,316
Now, obviously we only have a very few
number of ships that do have the capacity

377
00:19:24,316 --> 00:19:26,576
to separate into two separate sections.

378
00:19:26,849 --> 00:19:34,469
It's implied at different times that many
Starfleet ships have that capability, but

379
00:19:34,499 --> 00:19:38,129
it was only ever seen by my favorite ship.

380
00:19:40,184 --> 00:19:41,564
The Enterprise D.

381
00:19:42,786 --> 00:19:45,936
And used quite, you know, quite sparingly.

382
00:19:45,936 --> 00:19:49,506
Like when we picked this as a topic,
I went, well, there's gonna be just

383
00:19:49,566 --> 00:19:52,476
so many episodes for us to pull from.

384
00:19:52,476 --> 00:19:56,376
So, but it's quite, you know,
apart from a movie, there's only

385
00:19:56,376 --> 00:20:00,456
about like three or four episodes
in, in, in TNG for us to focus on.

386
00:20:00,456 --> 00:20:00,756
So I'll be

387
00:20:00,974 --> 00:20:01,094
Yeah.

388
00:20:01,094 --> 00:20:01,994
I counted three.

389
00:20:02,436 --> 00:20:04,476
Yeah, be very intrigued,

390
00:20:04,544 --> 00:20:04,934
movie.

391
00:20:04,994 --> 00:20:06,794
So we get to go through all of them today.

392
00:20:09,569 --> 00:20:15,059
And, uh, I love a, I love an opportunity
to go back to the pilot episode.

393
00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,239
Uh, so let's start with Star
Trek: The Next Generation

394
00:20:18,786 --> 00:20:19,436
Encounter at Farpoint.

395
00:20:20,519 --> 00:20:21,419
at Farpoint.

396
00:20:21,996 --> 00:20:23,946
Yeah, they had pull
out all their big guns.

397
00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:30,989
Yeah, which the saucer separation seems to
have been an element added to this story

398
00:20:30,989 --> 00:20:37,289
when famously it was expanded from a one
hour pilot to a two hour pilot movie.

399
00:20:37,289 --> 00:20:44,559
That whole framing narrative with Q
was added on to the story of Farpoint

400
00:20:44,579 --> 00:20:48,629
Station and the, uh, the space
jellyfish that are hidden there.

401
00:20:48,981 --> 00:20:50,391
We love our space jellyfish.

402
00:20:51,014 --> 00:20:54,854
And, uh, I don't know if you rewatched,
uh, Encounter at Faroint like I did this

403
00:20:54,854 --> 00:20:57,884
week, Rob, but, uh, yeah, it's, it's,

404
00:20:59,511 --> 00:21:00,231
It's rough.

405
00:21:01,214 --> 00:21:02,804
well it is definitely rough.

406
00:21:03,014 --> 00:21:10,784
It is also like the saucer separation
is very, um, it's flaming hoop they jump

407
00:21:10,784 --> 00:21:15,074
through to make us go ooh and ah, about
the ship, but it does not serve much

408
00:21:15,074 --> 00:21:17,204
purpose other than that, in this story.

409
00:21:17,706 --> 00:21:22,206
I didn't go back and watch it 'cause
I do remember, you know, in my most

410
00:21:22,206 --> 00:21:25,626
recent rewatch of it, whether it was
a year or two ago when I was trying

411
00:21:25,626 --> 00:21:29,376
to do, okay, let's do TNG from start
to finish, and I got a couple of

412
00:21:29,376 --> 00:21:32,346
episodes into season one, I went, oh no.

413
00:21:32,646 --> 00:21:35,496
Um, but I do remember it
not being as impressive.

414
00:21:35,496 --> 00:21:39,606
So the ones that I did find and they
had a purpose, the later ones that I

415
00:21:39,606 --> 00:21:41,256
found, I went, okay, that makes sense.

416
00:21:41,256 --> 00:21:43,116
I can see why they've got that here.

417
00:21:43,356 --> 00:21:47,766
But this one is just a case of
look what we can do and then

418
00:21:47,796 --> 00:21:49,446
move on to the next stuff.

419
00:21:49,919 --> 00:21:53,909
Yeah, it's a bit of flare and, and
it's, I'm a little nostalgic about it

420
00:21:53,939 --> 00:21:59,159
because for the, because you know, I'm
a, I'm a fan of Starships and this,

421
00:21:59,159 --> 00:22:01,259
this hearkens back to a time when

422
00:22:01,641 --> 00:22:02,661
I can see them in the back.

423
00:22:03,171 --> 00:22:03,681
Look those.

424
00:22:03,681 --> 00:22:05,001
Look at those gorgeous things.

425
00:22:05,639 --> 00:22:09,269
I should have my Enterprise D in
front of me for illustrative purposes.

426
00:22:10,829 --> 00:22:15,329
But, uh, yeah, it hearkens back to a
time where when I felt like that, when

427
00:22:15,389 --> 00:22:21,389
Star Trek wanted to dazzle us, they
would make the show about the ship.

428
00:22:21,839 --> 00:22:25,949
Like some of those movies, like The
Motion Picture and, and Star Trek

429
00:22:25,959 --> 00:22:31,139
II, where there's, there's long,
adoring shots of approaching the

430
00:22:31,139 --> 00:22:33,359
ship and seeing it from many angles.

431
00:22:33,771 --> 00:22:35,151
Definitely in The Motion Picture.

432
00:22:35,151 --> 00:22:35,391
Yeah.

433
00:22:35,391 --> 00:22:39,981
That is just a whole, um, that is,
that is, that is spaceship porn

434
00:22:40,289 --> 00:22:40,859
Yeah.

435
00:22:41,279 --> 00:22:45,659
I feel like Roddenberry for Encounter
at Farpoint did the same thing of

436
00:22:45,659 --> 00:22:49,199
like when he was given a bunch of
money, what am I gonna do with it?

437
00:22:49,349 --> 00:22:51,299
Do I hire more expensive actors?

438
00:22:51,299 --> 00:22:51,839
No.

439
00:22:52,109 --> 00:22:56,459
We are going to take a good, hard look
at the ship and get everyone excited

440
00:22:56,459 --> 00:23:01,649
about its capabilities and here's a
secret thing it can do that no Enterprise

441
00:23:01,649 --> 00:23:03,179
has ever been able to do before.

442
00:23:03,524 --> 00:23:08,634
The, the saucer separation was
in the writer's guide for the

443
00:23:08,634 --> 00:23:11,844
original series as something the
original Enterprise could do.

444
00:23:12,024 --> 00:23:16,014
It's mentioned in a couple of episodes
where Kirk, like in a, in a moment of

445
00:23:16,014 --> 00:23:22,584
desperation suggests blowing the nacelles
or taking the saucer out of, of the

446
00:23:22,584 --> 00:23:25,134
area and they never end up doing it.

447
00:23:25,614 --> 00:23:30,234
But some of the kind of, you know,
fan blueprints that were going at

448
00:23:30,234 --> 00:23:34,644
the time, locked onto those lines
of dialogue and showed the fact that

449
00:23:34,644 --> 00:23:36,564
there was a separation capability.

450
00:23:36,774 --> 00:23:45,024
Matt Jeffries famously drew kind of, um,
landing strut, uh, portholes on the bottom

451
00:23:45,024 --> 00:23:48,744
side of the saucer in the original series.

452
00:23:48,744 --> 00:23:53,334
So there was the thought that the saucer
would be a, a self-contained ship that

453
00:23:53,334 --> 00:23:56,034
could land on a planet at at a point.

454
00:23:56,034 --> 00:24:00,484
And it feels like that was something that
was, that was left undone, that like we

455
00:24:00,484 --> 00:24:04,504
could never do it back then because we
didn't have the money or the technology.

456
00:24:04,894 --> 00:24:06,634
It's time for The Next Generation.

457
00:24:06,634 --> 00:24:08,134
What is on my to-do list?

458
00:24:08,194 --> 00:24:10,174
I'm gonna make this ship separate.

459
00:24:10,204 --> 00:24:14,374
And we're gonna do it in the very
first episode so that I can spend the

460
00:24:14,374 --> 00:24:18,614
pilot money to build the model that
can separate, and that's what they did.

461
00:24:18,614 --> 00:24:23,894
They built that, that first six
foot model that ILM built for Star

462
00:24:23,894 --> 00:24:28,034
Trek: The Next Generation, the
model was able to separate in two.

463
00:24:28,094 --> 00:24:33,014
And so what we see in that is actually
the, like, there's no camera trickery.

464
00:24:33,194 --> 00:24:38,004
There's no, they built a second model
just for the, for the separated state.

465
00:24:38,424 --> 00:24:42,264
The model they were shooting with
for the first season or of the next

466
00:24:42,264 --> 00:24:44,544
generation was a separat able model.

467
00:24:45,234 --> 00:24:49,614
Uh, but it was such a pain in the butt
to do, Rob, they only shot like two

468
00:24:49,614 --> 00:24:55,484
shots of it separating, and they had
several shots in the bank of the two

469
00:24:55,484 --> 00:24:59,564
sections flying, or really just the
star drive section flying on its own.

470
00:24:59,654 --> 00:25:04,394
And they reused those in the second
episode where this happened, which

471
00:25:04,394 --> 00:25:06,224
is episode 21, the Arsenal of

472
00:25:06,586 --> 00:25:08,506
Arsenal of Freedom, that's what I watched.

473
00:25:09,044 --> 00:25:09,464
Yeah.

474
00:25:09,494 --> 00:25:09,914
Cool.

475
00:25:09,914 --> 00:25:12,764
Oh, uh, you probably would've
seen this one before 'cause

476
00:25:12,764 --> 00:25:14,204
it's a Tasha Yar episode.

477
00:25:14,401 --> 00:25:15,901
It is a Tasha Yar episode.

478
00:25:15,901 --> 00:25:20,731
It's her last, um, full episode
before, uh, the episode that shall

479
00:25:20,731 --> 00:25:22,501
not be named or ever watched again.

480
00:25:22,951 --> 00:25:25,981
Um, uh, but I ha I had not seen it.

481
00:25:26,041 --> 00:25:30,481
I would've remembered, uh, Vincent,
uh, Schiavelli uh, his appearance.

482
00:25:30,721 --> 00:25:33,901
The wonderful Vince Schiavelli
from, uh, from Ghost, from

483
00:25:33,901 --> 00:25:36,181
Death to Smooch, uh, from, uh,

484
00:25:36,339 --> 00:25:36,729
That's right.

485
00:25:36,729 --> 00:25:37,599
My ship is a Drake.

486
00:25:38,071 --> 00:25:38,281
Yeah.

487
00:25:39,151 --> 00:25:40,321
Yes, that's right.

488
00:25:40,441 --> 00:25:43,711
And the, uh, the video recording, um,

489
00:25:44,464 --> 00:25:45,124
Oh, that one.

490
00:25:45,124 --> 00:25:45,444
Sorry.

491
00:25:45,504 --> 00:25:47,289
No, I thought you meant Captain Rice,

492
00:25:47,641 --> 00:25:48,391
ah, no, no.

493
00:25:48,391 --> 00:25:52,261
Yeah, I was talking of the wonderful,
uh, the wonderful salesman.

494
00:25:52,261 --> 00:25:52,501
Yeah.

495
00:25:52,531 --> 00:25:55,471
Who's from One Flew Over Cuckoo's Nest.

496
00:25:55,561 --> 00:25:55,771
Yes.

497
00:25:55,771 --> 00:25:57,841
I have seen the actor
who played Rice as well.

498
00:25:57,841 --> 00:25:59,461
I've seen him in some stuff as well.

499
00:26:00,061 --> 00:26:04,471
Um, but that set, holy moly.

500
00:26:04,764 --> 00:26:05,784
The underground cave.

501
00:26:06,076 --> 00:26:06,586
No, no.

502
00:26:06,586 --> 00:26:08,056
The underground cave was quite nice.

503
00:26:08,086 --> 00:26:11,386
No, the, the surface, which
was literally, you could see

504
00:26:12,324 --> 00:26:13,404
Move yukkas around!

505
00:26:13,404 --> 00:26:14,424
We need another angle.

506
00:26:14,424 --> 00:26:14,454
I.

507
00:26:15,436 --> 00:26:16,486
Put more smoke in.

508
00:26:16,636 --> 00:26:17,746
Put more smoke.

509
00:26:17,889 --> 00:26:21,159
Birds, are there any more birds
of paradise in California?

510
00:26:21,159 --> 00:26:23,139
We need all of the birds of paradise.

511
00:26:23,326 --> 00:26:26,926
Can we at let, do we have any bamboo?

512
00:26:27,256 --> 00:26:28,786
Any bamboo at all?

513
00:26:29,566 --> 00:26:32,626
We have five long pieces of bamboo.

514
00:26:33,106 --> 00:26:34,156
Just get it out.

515
00:26:34,186 --> 00:26:36,856
It was, I'm there going, that was, yeah.

516
00:26:36,886 --> 00:26:38,296
It was such a studio.

517
00:26:38,356 --> 00:26:40,276
It was so studio, it didn't

518
00:26:40,449 --> 00:26:41,014
It was pretty cheesy.

519
00:26:42,406 --> 00:26:43,276
So hard to see.

520
00:26:43,276 --> 00:26:44,176
And they're just wandering around.

521
00:26:44,356 --> 00:26:46,426
Ah, we'll just put some
dry ice on the floor.

522
00:26:46,426 --> 00:26:51,646
That'll, that'll cover up any, uh, joins
between the, the, the studio floor.

523
00:26:51,976 --> 00:26:54,716
Um, but yes, ship's gone missing.

524
00:26:54,806 --> 00:26:58,106
They, uh, the Enterprise
are there to check it out.

525
00:26:58,196 --> 00:26:58,946
Um,

526
00:26:59,284 --> 00:26:59,314
Minos.

527
00:27:00,386 --> 00:27:05,036
Minos, uh, that there's pretty much
wiped themself out of what we've heard.

528
00:27:05,336 --> 00:27:06,416
Um, this video

529
00:27:06,544 --> 00:27:09,904
is the planet that gets a name
check in Star Trek: Section 31.

530
00:27:09,904 --> 00:27:10,534
By the way,

531
00:27:10,736 --> 00:27:13,736
ah, well I'm, that's a reason
why I don't remember that.

532
00:27:14,674 --> 00:27:15,754
the Arms Merchants of Minos.

533
00:27:16,084 --> 00:27:16,354
Yeah.

534
00:27:17,036 --> 00:27:21,236
But, um, uh, Picard is a little
bit slow on the uptake here.

535
00:27:22,541 --> 00:27:27,581
Where, you know, the salesman keeps
on talking and it has to be Data after

536
00:27:27,731 --> 00:27:29,411
longer than it should have been going.

537
00:27:29,419 --> 00:27:31,369
I don't think he can hear you, captain.

538
00:27:32,081 --> 00:27:34,001
I think it's a, it's a,
it's a recording, captain.

539
00:27:34,451 --> 00:27:34,871
Captain.

540
00:27:35,351 --> 00:27:37,241
Um, I'm just gonna let
you give you a heads up.

541
00:27:37,301 --> 00:27:37,631
You're

542
00:27:37,819 --> 00:27:42,019
The recording is interactive
later, in Picard's defense

543
00:27:42,026 --> 00:27:44,636
is later on, but at that
particular point, it is just

544
00:27:44,816 --> 00:27:46,046
going, he's not responding to me.

545
00:27:46,046 --> 00:27:47,876
Why isn't It's a frigging recording.

546
00:27:47,966 --> 00:27:48,506
Okay.

547
00:27:48,776 --> 00:27:52,136
It's like the, the old gag I used
to play with when you'd leave

548
00:27:52,136 --> 00:27:53,366
an answering machine message.

549
00:27:53,396 --> 00:27:54,236
Hi, how you going?

550
00:27:54,266 --> 00:27:55,586
Nah, just a joke.

551
00:27:55,586 --> 00:27:56,336
I'm not really here.

552
00:27:57,166 --> 00:28:00,079
I found it really strange, the
line where he goes the, the

553
00:28:01,039 --> 00:28:03,769
they, they mess up on purpose.

554
00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:08,959
The old saying and they go, Remember,
the bird that's early gets worms?

555
00:28:11,254 --> 00:28:13,339
I'm not sure what they were
trying to do with that.

556
00:28:13,339 --> 00:28:13,794
It was so weird.

557
00:28:14,726 --> 00:28:15,986
Yeah, very, very weird.

558
00:28:16,046 --> 00:28:18,806
Trying to give an impression
of you'll die so you'll have

559
00:28:18,806 --> 00:28:20,096
worms eating you but didn't make

560
00:28:20,816 --> 00:28:26,096
Um, so yes, uh, they send a small team
down just because there's so much threat.

561
00:28:26,126 --> 00:28:28,976
If they lose three, then it's
not as much as losing the

562
00:28:28,976 --> 00:28:30,656
entire, that's how math works.

563
00:28:30,686 --> 00:28:31,976
So ya

564
00:28:32,109 --> 00:28:35,674
Next Gen was very much about
captains not beaming down.

565
00:28:35,734 --> 00:28:35,854
The

566
00:28:35,951 --> 00:28:38,411
Captain's, not captain is on the ship.

567
00:28:38,411 --> 00:28:40,721
Send Riker, send Yar, send Data.

568
00:28:41,231 --> 00:28:43,811
Um, they come across, uh.

569
00:28:44,366 --> 00:28:47,576
The captain of the Drake who they,
you know, we established early on,

570
00:28:47,666 --> 00:28:49,046
we went to the academy together.

571
00:28:49,106 --> 00:28:51,146
We hear that all the time in Star Trek.

572
00:28:51,176 --> 00:28:52,016
How do you know this person?

573
00:28:52,016 --> 00:28:53,246
We went to the academy together.

574
00:28:53,846 --> 00:28:55,916
Um, but there's something odd about him.

575
00:28:55,916 --> 00:28:56,996
Clearly it's a recording.

576
00:28:56,996 --> 00:29:01,526
They've taken the form of, uh,
the captain and, uh, to find out

577
00:29:01,526 --> 00:29:03,356
as much information as they can.

578
00:29:03,716 --> 00:29:09,986
Um, uh, Beverly Crusher and
the Captain finally, um.

579
00:29:10,024 --> 00:29:13,084
They beam down when Riker is
caught in the stasis field.

580
00:29:13,091 --> 00:29:16,121
caught in the stasis field
and they fall down a big hole.

581
00:29:16,151 --> 00:29:16,631
Um,

582
00:29:17,629 --> 00:29:20,329
falling, like the, the, the
scene where they come through

583
00:29:20,329 --> 00:29:24,859
the brushes and then, and then,
uh, Gates has to like go, oh, no.

584
00:29:24,859 --> 00:29:28,669
She like chucks her, her equipment
ahead of her to try and stop

585
00:29:28,669 --> 00:29:32,029
her fall, and then forward when
Picard runs into her from behind.

586
00:29:32,779 --> 00:29:34,279
All of that business was fun.

587
00:29:34,606 --> 00:29:38,321
So, so Picard is fine, but
Beverly Crusher is on the point of

588
00:29:38,719 --> 00:29:40,819
Well, Beverly Crusher
broke his fall clearly.

589
00:29:40,916 --> 00:29:41,486
That's right.

590
00:29:41,486 --> 00:29:46,226
Clearly, clearly she just as always
putting herself ahead just to,

591
00:29:46,406 --> 00:29:48,056
that Picard gets out scot free.

592
00:29:48,086 --> 00:29:51,836
How many times has Gates McFadden
done that for Patrick Stewart?

593
00:29:52,471 --> 00:29:52,691
Um,

594
00:29:53,494 --> 00:29:58,684
Some like vulnerability and putting,
putting Picard and crusher together

595
00:29:58,684 --> 00:30:00,604
in a, in a sensitive moment.

596
00:30:01,264 --> 00:30:05,344
I, really early stuff that, that started
building that relationship up, I thought.

597
00:30:06,146 --> 00:30:09,926
And the, the, the rigid coolness
of Picard that we get in season

598
00:30:09,926 --> 00:30:12,791
one is kind of melted here a bit.

599
00:30:13,691 --> 00:30:14,771
Stay awake, stay awake.

600
00:30:14,771 --> 00:30:15,761
Talk to me about this.

601
00:30:15,761 --> 00:30:17,381
Tell me about this, tell me about that.

602
00:30:17,711 --> 00:30:21,101
Um, and so now we have both
captains, captain and the first

603
00:30:21,101 --> 00:30:22,901
officer on the i on the planet.

604
00:30:23,231 --> 00:30:25,451
And so therefore, Geordi is put in charge.

605
00:30:25,751 --> 00:30:29,681
And obviously because I haven't been
watching season one, there's this tension

606
00:30:29,681 --> 00:30:31,391
going on with the chief of engineer.

607
00:30:31,481 --> 00:30:34,241
So Geordi isn't even head
of engineering in this part.

608
00:30:34,241 --> 00:30:34,811
He's red,

609
00:30:35,584 --> 00:30:39,424
this one of the chief engineers
of the week from the originals,

610
00:30:39,604 --> 00:30:40,834
from from season one.

611
00:30:40,834 --> 00:30:43,294
We never see this guy before or

612
00:30:43,726 --> 00:30:45,226
Because it looks like here

613
00:30:45,310 --> 00:30:47,721
is a one episode chief engineer.

614
00:30:48,191 --> 00:30:50,231
He comes in and they've got,
oh, they've got a history.

615
00:30:50,231 --> 00:30:51,131
Oh, they don't like each other.

616
00:30:51,131 --> 00:30:52,931
I'm going, well, I've
missed an episode or two.

617
00:30:52,991 --> 00:30:53,261
Nope.

618
00:30:53,291 --> 00:30:54,311
It's just out of the blue.

619
00:30:54,611 --> 00:30:55,571
I don't like you.

620
00:30:55,871 --> 00:30:57,311
I don't like you, visor boy.

621
00:30:57,724 --> 00:30:58,144
Yeah.

622
00:30:58,901 --> 00:30:59,901
Um, so Geordi's

623
00:31:00,169 --> 00:31:04,459
It, remi, you remember dis when Discovery
didn't have a chief engineer right away.

624
00:31:05,149 --> 00:31:05,929
The same thing.

625
00:31:05,929 --> 00:31:10,069
How do you put an Enterprise in space
and not give it a chief engineer?

626
00:31:10,519 --> 00:31:12,919
Uh, they didn't like
the whole first season.

627
00:31:12,919 --> 00:31:17,329
It was like engineering will be a
small, small thing and they, they

628
00:31:17,329 --> 00:31:21,109
hired a new day player every time they
needed to call down to engineering.

629
00:31:21,401 --> 00:31:28,661
So did they do an episode in season
two where they like made Geordi into

630
00:31:28,661 --> 00:31:30,071
the chief of engineering or did they

631
00:31:30,259 --> 00:31:32,359
I feel like it just
happened in season two.

632
00:31:32,359 --> 00:31:34,549
Season two starts,
Geordi's in engineering.

633
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:35,659
It's not even commented

634
00:31:35,831 --> 00:31:36,161
He does.

635
00:31:36,161 --> 00:31:37,721
He's not even, he's red anymore.

636
00:31:37,721 --> 00:31:39,161
He's straight back in the,

637
00:31:39,499 --> 00:31:40,339
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

638
00:31:40,721 --> 00:31:41,681
so

639
00:31:42,019 --> 00:31:42,679
has passed.

640
00:31:42,679 --> 00:31:43,909
A promotion has occurred.

641
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:44,209
Yeah.

642
00:31:44,321 --> 00:31:44,921
So yes.

643
00:31:44,951 --> 00:31:46,361
So all this stuff is going on.

644
00:31:46,361 --> 00:31:50,741
They're being attacked, uh,
on, on the, uh, out in space.

645
00:31:50,801 --> 00:31:55,246
Um, we have separation from our captain
and our, the ship needing to be separated

646
00:31:55,246 --> 00:31:56,866
because the attacking is too much.

647
00:31:56,896 --> 00:32:01,786
So, um, Geordi concedes and goes,
we'll take the lower section, uh,

648
00:32:01,786 --> 00:32:04,996
chief of engineering, you take the
sourcer section and go find help.

649
00:32:05,716 --> 00:32:12,016
And so we see the, uh, the secondary
bridge unit, very, very, uh,

650
00:32:13,269 --> 00:32:14,289
The Battle Bridge.

651
00:32:14,356 --> 00:32:15,046
Yeah, the battle

652
00:32:15,339 --> 00:32:19,749
And this was one of the reasons that
we didn't see saucer separation more.

653
00:32:19,749 --> 00:32:23,649
They did have the model, they did
have the shots that they could reuse.

654
00:32:23,649 --> 00:32:27,099
As long as they were a few episodes
apart, no one would really realize

655
00:32:27,099 --> 00:32:31,359
that we were seeing the exact same two
effects shots of the saucer separating.

656
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:34,809
They could have gotten away with
that, but what really killed them

657
00:32:34,809 --> 00:32:39,099
was the expense of standing up the
battle bridge set whenever they

658
00:32:39,121 --> 00:32:40,051
of course.

659
00:32:40,114 --> 00:32:41,314
the saucer separation.

660
00:32:41,734 --> 00:32:46,204
Uh, that's from my reading, the, the
main reason it wasn't done more often.

661
00:32:46,336 --> 00:32:50,056
It's just to build that particular
set, and it wasn't every week, so it's

662
00:32:50,056 --> 00:32:51,946
just an expensive duty to get it up.

663
00:32:52,606 --> 00:32:53,056
Um.

664
00:32:53,716 --> 00:32:58,306
Yeah, it reminded me a lot of, you know,
from that television of the eighties

665
00:32:58,306 --> 00:33:02,776
especially, I guess, 'cause that was
my informative time in animated shows

666
00:33:02,776 --> 00:33:09,106
or television shows where they'd reuse
the same footage, just not to the same

667
00:33:09,106 --> 00:33:12,706
extent here in Star Trek, obviously,
because they only used it so sparingly.

668
00:33:13,036 --> 00:33:15,016
But we've got these sourcer shots.

669
00:33:15,076 --> 00:33:18,196
So let's go back and use that
exact same shot again and

670
00:33:18,196 --> 00:33:19,906
again to show the separation.

671
00:33:20,116 --> 00:33:23,926
Like in animated shows, whenever a
character transforms into their particular

672
00:33:23,926 --> 00:33:25,876
suit, they don't do a new one every time.

673
00:33:25,876 --> 00:33:26,596
They don't need to.

674
00:33:26,806 --> 00:33:29,026
They just go through the
exact same action, the exact

675
00:33:29,026 --> 00:33:30,496
same footage that they have.

676
00:33:30,526 --> 00:33:33,526
And same as some of the TV shows of
the eighties where they cut corners.

677
00:33:33,526 --> 00:33:34,906
They go, okay, we've got a chase scene.

678
00:33:35,116 --> 00:33:38,356
Let's use some footage of a chase
scene we've used from previous

679
00:33:38,356 --> 00:33:41,056
episodes, they just happen to
be driving the exact same cars.

680
00:33:43,224 --> 00:33:50,814
Yeah, and, and the, I guess I,
I enjoyed the function of the,

681
00:33:50,814 --> 00:33:54,444
the separating the, the saucer.

682
00:33:54,444 --> 00:33:56,004
Like it did what it was supposed to.

683
00:33:56,004 --> 00:34:00,174
It sold for me the size of the ship,
the fact that there are families

684
00:34:00,174 --> 00:34:02,904
aboard and the fact that they
would have a plan for protecting

685
00:34:02,904 --> 00:34:04,914
those families when things got hot.

686
00:34:05,356 --> 00:34:05,576
Yes.

687
00:34:06,050 --> 00:34:11,582
But it was, uh, it was done
lavishly, I would say, ish for

688
00:34:11,582 --> 00:34:13,782
the time in Encounter at Farpoint.

689
00:34:13,802 --> 00:34:18,782
It was done somewhat perfunctorily
here, and then the third time we

690
00:34:18,782 --> 00:34:21,422
saw it in The Best of Both Worlds.

691
00:34:21,729 --> 00:34:22,224
two.

692
00:34:23,042 --> 00:34:25,442
It, uh, it takes like three seconds.

693
00:34:25,472 --> 00:34:27,002
They're like auto-sep sequence.

694
00:34:27,002 --> 00:34:31,442
There's one shot of it separating from
below, again, reused from Encounter at

695
00:34:31,452 --> 00:34:34,182
Farpoint, and then the separation is done.

696
00:34:35,004 --> 00:34:40,764
I think this was the, um, the most
effective use of the separation to

697
00:34:40,764 --> 00:34:44,814
get, you know, to change it from just
being one point of attack against

698
00:34:44,814 --> 00:34:50,664
the Borg cube to being, now we split
their focus and both are powered up,

699
00:34:50,664 --> 00:34:53,934
so using it as a tactical maneuver

700
00:34:54,182 --> 00:34:58,682
And the saucer's going to be overlooked
because it's the low threat vehicle.

701
00:34:58,682 --> 00:35:02,762
And so they'll launch the shuttle from
that one behind a, a smoke screen.

702
00:35:02,762 --> 00:35:03,277
Yeah, it's good.

703
00:35:04,059 --> 00:35:08,589
And we have Riker on one ship and we have,
you know, uh, Shelby on the other one.

704
00:35:08,589 --> 00:35:11,679
So they're both showing off
their, their skills and talent.

705
00:35:11,679 --> 00:35:14,349
And Shelby's quite
ambitious as we all know.

706
00:35:14,559 --> 00:35:18,159
So this is the experience they need
to get to add to their, um, already

707
00:35:18,159 --> 00:35:21,819
growing, um, uh, ambitious streak.

708
00:35:22,084 --> 00:35:26,314
They famously had to pull the original
six foot model of the Enterprise D

709
00:35:26,314 --> 00:35:28,444
out of mothballs for this episode.

710
00:35:28,474 --> 00:35:29,284
The,

711
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:30,370
used since season one.

712
00:35:30,709 --> 00:35:33,979
Hadn't been used in season one,
but they, they needed some more

713
00:35:33,979 --> 00:35:38,299
shots in space of the two separated
sections for that battle sequence.

714
00:35:38,839 --> 00:35:42,889
There was no other way to get them
at the time than to pull out the old,

715
00:35:42,949 --> 00:35:47,929
large ship and, uh, rig it back up
and, and get some new shots of it.

716
00:35:47,959 --> 00:35:52,369
And apparently the, the crew
said, oh, yes, we remember why we

717
00:35:52,369 --> 00:35:54,049
don't like using this model now.

718
00:35:54,049 --> 00:35:55,579
It is really hard to work with.

719
00:35:55,579 --> 00:35:56,719
It was massive.

720
00:35:57,145 --> 00:35:58,735
Huge, huge.

721
00:35:59,254 --> 00:36:03,184
They said it took four to six people just
to lift it off its rig to reposition it

722
00:36:03,445 --> 00:36:04,465
That's massive.

723
00:36:04,465 --> 00:36:06,625
That insane.

724
00:36:06,625 --> 00:36:07,105
Insane.

725
00:36:07,105 --> 00:36:09,775
Especially, you know, the
good old days of model work.

726
00:36:10,730 --> 00:36:12,590
Um, now it's all CGI stuff.

727
00:36:12,875 --> 00:36:17,525
But yes, that means that the smaller,
uh, model that was used for the

728
00:36:17,525 --> 00:36:20,195
rest of the series did not separate.

729
00:36:20,345 --> 00:36:23,825
That's why we did not see any
more saucer separations after

730
00:36:23,825 --> 00:36:25,685
this in the era of models.

731
00:36:25,685 --> 00:36:31,935
Not until Star Trek Generations, which is
the first appearance of a CG Enterprise D.

732
00:36:32,322 --> 00:36:33,522
That's right, that's right.

733
00:36:33,522 --> 00:36:40,482
And one of the most impressive, uh,
practical sequences put on, uh, on, on

734
00:36:40,482 --> 00:36:45,012
screen in any attempt of the, the saucer
section crash landing on the planet.

735
00:36:45,252 --> 00:36:49,542
I remember they released, um, you
know, as part of advertisement

736
00:36:49,542 --> 00:36:55,167
they released, like connected with
newspapers, they'd release of of VHS,

737
00:36:55,437 --> 00:36:58,347
making of, sneak peak of generations.

738
00:36:58,497 --> 00:37:02,607
And I remember having that and the
big focus of that video was the source

739
00:37:02,607 --> 00:37:04,377
of section crash landing and how

740
00:37:05,330 --> 00:37:10,010
just can't, Star Trek, cannot resist,
like a Star Trek movie can't help

741
00:37:10,010 --> 00:37:17,900
itself but to show off ahead of time
these very, very significant sequences

742
00:37:17,900 --> 00:37:19,730
of the Enterprise being destroyed.

743
00:37:19,730 --> 00:37:21,560
We had it in Star Trek III.

744
00:37:22,070 --> 00:37:25,760
The, the, the trailers gave away
the destruction of the Enterprise.

745
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,580
We had it here again in Generations.

746
00:37:28,580 --> 00:37:33,170
It's just, uh, man, imagine if
we had not known that was coming.

747
00:37:34,550 --> 00:37:37,790
I would've been sitting in
that theater passing out with,

748
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,500
with, uh, the shock of it.

749
00:37:39,762 --> 00:37:40,707
That's your ship.

750
00:37:40,827 --> 00:37:42,507
That's your ship, gone for good.

751
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:43,850
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

752
00:37:44,322 --> 00:37:47,412
Um, but yes, it, it's such
an impressive sequence.

753
00:37:47,412 --> 00:37:53,202
The, the model size, the, the miniature
versions of the planet, the trees, the

754
00:37:53,202 --> 00:37:56,952
hills, all that have to be constructed,
shot from different angles, shot at

755
00:37:56,952 --> 00:38:00,942
different speeds so they can then,
when they're replay it, they play

756
00:38:00,942 --> 00:38:04,812
it at normal speed, so therefore
it looks slower therefore gives the

757
00:38:04,812 --> 00:38:08,022
sense of scale and weight and size.

758
00:38:08,382 --> 00:38:09,012
Um.

759
00:38:09,792 --> 00:38:13,032
You know, just have apart
from the line you don't like,

760
00:38:13,032 --> 00:38:16,422
but I kind of like, Oh shit.

761
00:38:16,812 --> 00:38:22,122
Um, but having Riker there, grabbing
home and go all hands, brace for

762
00:38:22,565 --> 00:38:24,065
Uh, so good.

763
00:38:24,162 --> 00:38:27,222
When Jonathan Freaks barks out,
something like that, or fire

764
00:38:27,222 --> 00:38:31,802
everything, you just go, oh, Frakes,
you get me right in the feels.

765
00:38:32,285 --> 00:38:39,845
Troi being sent to the, to the Conn for
the, the, um, for the action is as well.

766
00:38:39,875 --> 00:38:41,285
Yeah, it's, uh,

767
00:38:42,755 --> 00:38:49,085
This is a great movie, if not for
the last 15 minutes of the Nexus

768
00:38:49,085 --> 00:38:54,275
stuff and Kirk coming back and the
fight on the catwalks on the, on the,

769
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:56,710
on the mountain, on Veridian III.

770
00:38:57,020 --> 00:39:01,070
Like that stuff, it was completely
reshot, they knew it wasn't working.

771
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,010
They had a second go at shooting
that ending of the movie.

772
00:39:04,070 --> 00:39:06,920
And it's still, feels cheap.

773
00:39:07,070 --> 00:39:13,100
It feels, um, like it, it, it is not
the climax that this movie needs.

774
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:18,910
Everything before it is so much
stronger, like, as I was rewatching

775
00:39:18,910 --> 00:39:22,750
this movie yesterday, I was like,
this is a nine, this is nine, this

776
00:39:22,750 --> 00:39:24,550
is 10, this is nine, this is a 10.

777
00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:28,450
And then that last 15 minutes, it
drops to fives and sixes in terms of

778
00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:35,620
how much emotional impact, how much
production value there is, uh, going in.

779
00:39:35,620 --> 00:39:42,950
And so, yeah, I, uh, basically from
the very start with the stuff on

780
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:47,840
the Enterprise B right up to the
crash, the, the, the, as soon as the

781
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:52,130
shutter, the, as soon as the saucer
settles into its final position and

782
00:39:52,130 --> 00:39:57,290
it fades to black, just before we cut
to the Nexus with Picard, I feel like

783
00:39:57,290 --> 00:39:58,490
that is a perfect Star Trek movie.

784
00:40:02,255 --> 00:40:06,215
And even the stuff in the Nexus with
Guinan is like, it's well acted, it's well

785
00:40:06,215 --> 00:40:11,855
produced, it's enjoyable, but it is a,
it is a, a step down from, from the wows

786
00:40:11,855 --> 00:40:13,810
of the, of everything up to that point.

787
00:40:14,247 --> 00:40:18,697
There's a lot of big stuff like the,
the, um, the, the mapping room, which is

788
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:19,090
Yeah.

789
00:40:19,490 --> 00:40:20,170
cartography.

790
00:40:20,637 --> 00:40:24,357
This is so, is so beautifully
captured and the the weight of

791
00:40:24,357 --> 00:40:29,427
it by spina and about how many
billions of people will be killed.

792
00:40:29,825 --> 00:40:34,595
Yeah, it, and every one of those scenes,
stellar cartography is a great example.

793
00:40:34,595 --> 00:40:40,295
It is not just a scene about
exposition and, and you know,

794
00:40:40,325 --> 00:40:42,845
laying out the, this plot on a map.

795
00:40:42,995 --> 00:40:47,975
It is also a scene about Data wrestling
with his emotion, motion and trying to

796
00:40:47,975 --> 00:40:52,415
quit halfway through that scene, and
Picard say, you are a Starfleet officer

797
00:40:52,415 --> 00:40:53,795
and I require you to do your duty.

798
00:40:53,795 --> 00:40:59,045
And he sits him back down and so,
throughout this movie up, uh, up until

799
00:40:59,045 --> 00:41:03,125
that point that I mentioned, every
single scene serves both of these

800
00:41:03,125 --> 00:41:07,085
functions of like moving the plot forward
and moving the characters forward.

801
00:41:07,715 --> 00:41:11,975
Balance that they struck
between those two things is so

802
00:41:11,975 --> 00:41:13,265
present throughout this movie.

803
00:41:13,265 --> 00:41:17,855
I feel like I'm both watching the
most lavish Star Trek movie I've

804
00:41:17,855 --> 00:41:22,505
ever seen up until that point, and
the best episode of the week of Star

805
00:41:22,505 --> 00:41:25,895
Trek: The Next Generation where our
characters get to be with each other.

806
00:41:26,225 --> 00:41:27,770
Both of those things
are happening at once.

807
00:41:28,302 --> 00:41:34,212
It definitely does feel at, for me
at least, it does feel like, um,

808
00:41:34,302 --> 00:41:40,287
where Insurrection felt like a, a, a
big budget, um, tele movie episode.

809
00:41:40,437 --> 00:41:43,737
There are elements of
Generations that feels like that.

810
00:41:43,737 --> 00:41:50,307
It feels that the stakes are from
a television point of view, um,

811
00:41:50,577 --> 00:41:51,807
but it doesn't take away from it.

812
00:41:51,807 --> 00:41:57,357
Like the opening on a tall ship
and everyone in Napoleonic era

813
00:41:57,380 --> 00:42:02,570
Yeah, there's TV, there's TV episode
hijinks, but it's additive to the very

814
00:42:02,570 --> 00:42:06,260
solid movie that is also on screen,
whereas I feel like that second element

815
00:42:06,260 --> 00:42:07,880
was less present in Insurrection.

816
00:42:08,262 --> 00:42:09,492
Yes, very much so.

817
00:42:09,642 --> 00:42:10,332
Very so.

818
00:42:11,112 --> 00:42:14,652
Um, yeah, the time they take for the
crash, like you shoot, they shoot it

819
00:42:14,652 --> 00:42:21,972
from every angle and see every angle
and how long it takes to, to stop.

820
00:42:22,310 --> 00:42:24,770
The pacing that was so deliberate.

821
00:42:24,770 --> 00:42:28,130
They, once they're on the ground,
they're like, it's not over.

822
00:42:28,670 --> 00:42:29,930
We are moving forward.

823
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:34,640
And there are long shots of them just
sitting in their seats, um, vibrating

824
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:39,470
as camera zooms into a character's
face and it's like an earthquake.

825
00:42:39,470 --> 00:42:41,000
They're riding out an earthquake.

826
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:41,180
It's

827
00:42:41,382 --> 00:42:46,692
And the, and the mesh nets sort
of come up as well to, yeah.

828
00:42:46,842 --> 00:42:47,742
All that type of stuff.

829
00:42:48,132 --> 00:42:52,107
The detail, the reality, the
verisimilitude, as it were, of

830
00:42:52,167 --> 00:42:54,927
what is on that ship to stop
these type of things happening.

831
00:42:55,107 --> 00:42:58,887
Those type of moments coming up where
it's not just an episode that that's

832
00:42:58,887 --> 00:43:00,777
where it goes beyond being a TV episode.

833
00:43:00,777 --> 00:43:02,067
They go, this is a movie.

834
00:43:02,067 --> 00:43:07,017
We have that money to go into that
detail to show how the defense systems

835
00:43:07,077 --> 00:43:13,067
lock in or the safety protocols kick in
to make this living, breathing saucer

836
00:43:13,197 --> 00:43:18,027
section feel like we have contingency
plans put in there to save people

837
00:43:18,027 --> 00:43:19,887
who might be thrown about and stuff.

838
00:43:20,780 --> 00:43:24,650
Going back to the separation itself,
they did bring more detail as well.

839
00:43:24,650 --> 00:43:28,685
Like I mentioned, this is a CG Enterprise
for the first time and say that they were

840
00:43:28,685 --> 00:43:33,225
able to do more detailed shots than they
have done in the past, more flexibly.

841
00:43:33,405 --> 00:43:37,485
The moment of separation, if you go back
and watch it, there's a bunch of like

842
00:43:38,025 --> 00:43:42,975
glittery particles that fly out the crack
between the ships, and they said that was

843
00:43:42,975 --> 00:43:48,585
inspired by what NASA said they observed
when they were un docking ships in orbit.

844
00:43:48,585 --> 00:43:52,635
That, that is a thing that happens is
when they split them up there's like ice

845
00:43:52,635 --> 00:43:57,270
crystals or whatever, from the atmosphere
that was between the ships that like

846
00:43:57,300 --> 00:43:59,730
escapes and flies out in every direction.

847
00:43:59,730 --> 00:44:01,530
And they did that same thing here.

848
00:44:01,530 --> 00:44:05,340
That just brings it, just that
little hint of that, that kiss of

849
00:44:05,340 --> 00:44:07,800
reality that wasn't present before.

850
00:44:08,337 --> 00:44:11,487
That balance of CGI and practical effects.

851
00:44:11,517 --> 00:44:16,977
So you've got all CGI and, but that,
that saucer section is just, I dunno

852
00:44:16,977 --> 00:44:19,317
if it's is the original giant model

853
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,820
No, they built a new, they built a
new saucer specifically for the crash.

854
00:44:23,967 --> 00:44:26,127
A smaller one, I believe.

855
00:44:26,345 --> 00:44:27,185
It's still pretty big.

856
00:44:27,185 --> 00:44:28,235
I've seen shots of it.

857
00:44:28,235 --> 00:44:31,025
It has toured that, that saucer model.

858
00:44:31,025 --> 00:44:36,065
It is just the saucer, but it is
recognizable because it has streaks of,

859
00:44:36,125 --> 00:44:41,285
um, of, uh, burn marks on the leading
edge from the atmospheric reentry.

860
00:44:41,615 --> 00:44:46,265
And yeah, it was built and, and painted
specifically just for the crash.

861
00:44:46,265 --> 00:44:50,915
And it is uh, something that they have,
they have toured around, you know,

862
00:44:51,215 --> 00:44:53,405
museum exhibits and things like that.

863
00:44:53,405 --> 00:44:53,655
The, the.

864
00:44:53,787 --> 00:44:54,537
Incredible.

865
00:44:54,635 --> 00:44:58,325
see shots online of the saucer and
it's, it's about the size of a person.

866
00:44:58,325 --> 00:45:03,845
So yeah, I'd say from, from long, from
edge to edge, the long way, it is about

867
00:45:03,965 --> 00:45:07,835
six foot across that, that, uh, Yeah.

868
00:45:08,112 --> 00:45:09,012
Marvelous.

869
00:45:09,425 --> 00:45:09,785
Yeah.

870
00:45:11,315 --> 00:45:15,455
Well, anything else to say
about saucer separations,

871
00:45:15,732 --> 00:45:17,862
Um, look, when.

872
00:45:18,297 --> 00:45:24,177
It's a tricky thing to get right and you
can see why it was used so sparingly, is

873
00:45:24,177 --> 00:45:28,227
because it's a great idea and it could,
but it could be that thing where it's

874
00:45:28,227 --> 00:45:33,597
pulled out at the end of an episode to
like defeat the big boss or something.

875
00:45:33,597 --> 00:45:38,517
It could become quite um, uh, commonplace.

876
00:45:39,087 --> 00:45:42,897
So the mere fact that it was only
used so sparingly for financial

877
00:45:42,897 --> 00:45:46,587
reasons, obviously, it's always
the cool reality of money.

878
00:45:47,037 --> 00:45:48,417
Um, it makes it

879
00:45:48,515 --> 00:45:51,605
happened two or three times a
season throughout the series,

880
00:45:51,605 --> 00:45:54,545
I think we might not be sitting
here doing an episode about it.

881
00:45:54,867 --> 00:45:55,347
Exactly.

882
00:45:55,347 --> 00:46:00,537
And especially because, you know,
out of the four times it was done,

883
00:46:00,657 --> 00:46:08,532
only two times really were effective,
um, and actually was beneficial for

884
00:46:08,532 --> 00:46:11,592
the plot and pushed it forward and
did something interesting with it.

885
00:46:12,132 --> 00:46:15,282
Um, as opposed to just going,
okay, well, we'll separate and

886
00:46:15,282 --> 00:46:16,512
one part goes somewhere else.

887
00:46:16,752 --> 00:46:18,642
Well, how can this be used?

888
00:46:19,055 --> 00:46:22,205
The Encounter at Farpoint
one was especially glaring.

889
00:46:22,235 --> 00:46:26,325
Picard, like they, they're like,
they've just met Q. The ship

890
00:46:26,325 --> 00:46:30,615
arrives at Farpoint in two pieces,
and Riker as his first test of

891
00:46:31,192 --> 00:46:31,822
that's right.

892
00:46:32,025 --> 00:46:33,345
To do manual docking.

893
00:46:33,405 --> 00:46:33,555
Yeah.

894
00:46:34,770 --> 00:46:37,200
And the manual docking, I think,
is probably the nicest part

895
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,680
of the whole thing is, it's
at least a character moment.

896
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:44,130
And there, there is gravitas
and, and stakes to it.

897
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:49,890
But yeah, uh, The Arsenal of Freedom
feels like the, the, stereotypical when

898
00:46:49,890 --> 00:46:53,700
they imagined that if we're gonna have
families on board this ship, we're gonna

899
00:46:53,700 --> 00:46:56,160
have to send them to safety now and then.

900
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,310
And this was the only now
that we got of that happening.

901
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,570
The Best of Both Worlds
was a, uh, a battle tactic.

902
00:47:03,570 --> 00:47:07,980
So it, the fact that it was not used
conventionally was kind of the point.

903
00:47:08,592 --> 00:47:09,427
And I really like

904
00:47:09,580 --> 00:47:14,740
Generations was kind of, let's use
the saucer as a, as a life boat.

905
00:47:15,402 --> 00:47:15,622
Yes.

906
00:47:16,102 --> 00:47:19,702
I enjoyed all of the stuff of the
families rushing through and the

907
00:47:19,702 --> 00:47:24,442
announcement over the, over the intercom,
starship separation in four minutes.

908
00:47:24,832 --> 00:47:28,852
And, uh, the kids being lost at the
corner and Geordi picking them up

909
00:47:28,852 --> 00:47:31,912
and, and rushing them off and one
of them drops their teddy bear.

910
00:47:32,174 --> 00:47:32,564
Yeah.

911
00:47:32,594 --> 00:47:33,674
Love that detail.

912
00:47:33,854 --> 00:47:34,994
Love that detail.

913
00:47:35,024 --> 00:47:39,494
You gotta see that in, yeah,
families leaving a, a, a panic site,

914
00:47:39,494 --> 00:47:41,024
whether it's in any type of show.

915
00:47:41,024 --> 00:47:44,504
And then the, they've gotta drop their
teddy bear or their bunny or something

916
00:47:44,504 --> 00:47:45,974
like that and have a lingering shot.

917
00:47:46,184 --> 00:47:46,394
Oh.

918
00:47:46,597 --> 00:47:47,047
Yeah.

919
00:47:47,924 --> 00:47:48,759
Play with the heartstrings.

920
00:47:48,899 --> 00:47:49,364
So, yeah.

921
00:47:49,364 --> 00:47:51,104
But that's pretty much, that's all of 'em.

922
00:47:51,637 --> 00:47:52,387
That's all of them.

923
00:47:52,417 --> 00:47:58,237
Uh, I, I hope, uh, the Athena is reunited
with its wings in, in next week's episode.

924
00:47:59,249 --> 00:48:00,869
That's an entire school.

925
00:48:00,929 --> 00:48:01,559
They need to,

926
00:48:02,452 --> 00:48:02,632
Yeah.

927
00:48:02,632 --> 00:48:04,792
When they say we're gonna leave
the atrium, you're like, wow.

928
00:48:04,792 --> 00:48:11,122
That is, that giant set with all of the
names and the, the, the water features

929
00:48:11,122 --> 00:48:16,762
and the, the seating, the tiered seating
where they did the theater rehearsals.

930
00:48:16,762 --> 00:48:19,797
Like all of that is sitting
in new, Nus Brakka's hands.

931
00:48:20,062 --> 00:48:22,282
They better get it back 'cause
that's an expensive set, Rob.

932
00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:22,889
Yep.

933
00:48:23,399 --> 00:48:25,469
They, they've, they've got
a season two to do at least.

934
00:48:25,469 --> 00:48:28,949
So if you, if you, if you're not gonna
bring it back, then blow it up at the end

935
00:48:28,949 --> 00:48:31,049
of season two, but, uh, bring it back.

936
00:48:31,049 --> 00:48:32,609
We need it for another 10 episodes.

937
00:48:33,067 --> 00:48:37,177
I feel like there's a lot to play for
in terms of what they give us in this

938
00:48:37,177 --> 00:48:40,717
season finale and what they maybe
hold as a cliffhanger for season two.

939
00:48:41,549 --> 00:48:47,609
It'd be interesting if they do an actual
cliffhanger as in, um, you know, keep you

940
00:48:47,609 --> 00:48:50,009
hanging on or whether they resolve this.

941
00:48:50,069 --> 00:48:54,519
'cause as we know, there's no
real return for Paul Giamatti.

942
00:48:54,599 --> 00:49:00,839
So we know that there'll be at least some
sort of closure with that, uh, story arc.

943
00:49:01,057 --> 00:49:01,567
Yeah.

944
00:49:01,567 --> 00:49:03,162
He'll have to take his bow, for sure.

945
00:49:03,659 --> 00:49:03,929
Yeah.

946
00:49:04,679 --> 00:49:08,849
Whether there's a, a hint of things to
come for next season, maybe at the end

947
00:49:08,849 --> 00:49:13,199
that might be the cliffhanger, but we
shall see who sacrifices themselves.

948
00:49:13,199 --> 00:49:18,329
Will our saucer separation be
reintegrated together with the atrium?

949
00:49:18,967 --> 00:49:19,537
Hmm.

950
00:49:19,889 --> 00:49:23,759
Will we see Paul Giamatti for the
last time or will he do the ultimate

951
00:49:23,939 --> 00:49:29,939
con job and just be a, just be a
presence that isn't actually on screen.

952
00:49:31,477 --> 00:49:32,912
No way, Rob, he's coming back.

953
00:49:33,062 --> 00:49:33,352
Mark

954
00:49:34,199 --> 00:49:35,549
He is gotta eat more scenery.

955
00:49:35,609 --> 00:49:36,359
He's got one more

956
00:49:36,402 --> 00:49:36,622
Yes.

957
00:49:37,687 --> 00:49:40,587
Until then, See you turkeys in the brig!