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So I'm sitting down today with
an extremely talented artist.

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He's a passionate hunter, passionate
angler, conservationist, and even

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though some people may have not have
heard his name, many people have

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probably seen his work somewhere
in the hunting and angling world.

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Welcome to the Silvercore
Club, Casey Braam, thank

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you very much.

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Good to be here.

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It's awesome to be here.

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We're in your studio right now.

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This place is fantastic.

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Yeah, we, uh, well we bought this house
in the spring of last year and this was

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just studs when we got here, so this is
all new and I got to make it this space.

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I needed it to be

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so.

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Well, when I mentioned at the beginning
here that many people have probably

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seen your work, There's one very
popular piece of work that I think a

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lot of people have probably seen, and
that would be the meat eater Nome.

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Yeah.

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So I remember, um, when I first saw
that like, this is, look at this cool.

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No, he's got a unicorn and his backpack.

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And I think meat eater used that as
their main thing for a number of years

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when they first started, didn't they?

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Yeah.

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Kind of when they started becoming the
brand they are now rather than just kind

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of the TV show and that kind of thing.

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But they're the big brand they are now.

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Um, it kind of just
happened, you know, and it.

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Series of interesting events.

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You know, I was interested in
their podcast for a long time.

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Right.

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And so I was, had had it on in the studio,
um, and in 2018 I was doing a drawing a

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day every single day for the whole year.

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Right.

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I was gonna ask you about that one.

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Yeah.

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That's crazy by the way.

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Yeah.

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So it was a big undertaking, but it
was kind of, You know, I'd heard of ink

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October where you're doing ink drawing
every day for the month of October.

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It's kind of a thing on
social media in the art world.

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So I thought, what if I take that and,
you know, expand it over the whole year?

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I had heard people.

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Say that like in October really
increased their skills or their

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confidence in that medium over a month.

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So I'm like, well, let's do it
for a whole year, every single

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day, start to finish and then try
to still do all my other stuff.

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But anyway, so I would have me eat
your podcast on, in the background each

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day while I was doing that drawing.

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And it was just kind of like, you
know, catching up on old episodes

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and whatever, and, and they talked.

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Steve Renell kind of painted
this scene in the podcast.

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He said, if I was a painter, is
how he kind of prefaced the story.

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Okay.

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And he said, I would create this image of.

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You know, a Turkey breathing and gobbling
in the early morning and creating like

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the, the, the steam out of its mouth.

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And it kind described
that in the way he does.

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Right, Right.

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Um, and so I hadn't started my ink
drawing of the day and I'm like, Well

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that's an easy topic right there.

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So I tackled it and drew it and posted
it on Instagram and me, or found it.

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Did you tag me?

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Yeah.

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I was just like, Hey, you.

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Listening to the media or podcast today,
um, and drew this, whatever, and then

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it kind of just, they latched onto it.

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They said, Could they use it
for their podcast tour poster?

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Um, and then, yeah, I got a call from
Steve Vanilla one day saying, Hey, I have

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this really weird idea, you know, and.

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What do you think of a
known packing out a unicorn?

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And it's like, okay, well
that's weird, but let's, uh,

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let's figure it out, you know?

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And, and so that's kind of how it all
started and then it snowballed into a

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thing and, and yeah, I've done a number
of different images for them, including

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mostly the known and a bunch of a few
other things as well, so that's crazy.

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Yeah.

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You know, I heard a, heard a rumor.

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I don't know there's truth
to this, but I heard a rumor.

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Have you heard of?

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Finn's

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Treasure Forest Forest fan.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, that's right.

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Yeah.

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So the guy who found it said he
was wearing his lucky mediator

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known T-shirt when he found it.

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That's crazy.

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Have you heard

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that?

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I've heard that, and I don't know if
it's like true or whatever, but yeah.

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That's totally cool.

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Yeah, that's,

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that was what, like a $2 million
treasure that this guy forced him.

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Oh yeah.

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Yeah.

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I'll just hide it in the woods somewhere.

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And then I, I guess when he was
dying of cancer and then he got

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curative cancer, but he had already
hid the, uh, hid this stuff.

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That's right.

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That's, yeah.

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And it's full of like all sorts
of strange artifacts and, Right.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, so yeah.

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Interesting story.

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And I actually have another
guy that's been sending me

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over the last like two years.

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Pictures of all the stuff
he's accomplished in his known

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packing out a unicorn t-shirt
cuz it's like his lucky shirt.

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And so he's like, sends me a
picture of the big bull moose he

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got the first year he got the shirt.

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Oh, that's awesome.

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And like, Like he just sent me a picture.

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Today, I think of him
with his first bison.

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He got the Copper River draw.

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Oh wow.

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And he got a bison and he's
got his shirt on and it's just

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like, it's cool, you know?

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That is neat.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It kind of impacted people and
I didn't really expect that.

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I thought it's a goofy thing, you know?

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But we'll do it.

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So was Steve's idea

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originally the

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Noman?

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Totally.

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I think actually it was
like his brother's idea.

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And he like kind of said like,
Hey, what if we did this?

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And, and then it just snowballed
and we created all these

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different images and yeah.

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See I always

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thought that was your idea that
you just came up with this.

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No

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idea.

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No, it was interesting cuz
it was like, you know, Yeah.

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He called me and it was interesting that
it was him calling me cuz he just had

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this idea, you know, the company was a
bit smaller then and uh, he had maybe

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a bit more control over that stuff.

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He was just like, you know, I have
this idea of no packing out a unicorn.

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And we did a few different
renditions of it.

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Few, few different versions, you
know, sketches here and there.

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Right.

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Um, Yeah.

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And then we finally landed
on what became the known.

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Yeah.

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Well,

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you just came back from ua.

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That's right.

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And you were there for how long?

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Uh, we were on the island for four days.

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Yeah.

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So you are, correct me if
I'm wrong, you're a fourth

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generation hunter?

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Uh, I'm, I started hunting when
I was 26 years old, I think.

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Okay.

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Or 27.

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Okay.

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So I was kind of a late
onset if you would, Hunter.

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Sure.

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and it like hunting kind of
happened in my family a little bit.

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Like my grandparents immigrated
after World War II to to BC and

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like hunting wasn't really that
structured here at that time.

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And you know, so like my grandpa shot a
moose once and they can the whole thing.

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And that was hunting.

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That was the extent of hunting
in their family, you know?

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And my dad hunted a little.

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Um, just kinda like grouse and stuff
when, when we were kids, but then

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I kind of started getting really
interested in it as I got older

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and was like, Hey, let's do this.

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And then when I started hunting,
it felt like, you know, finding

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another limb that I didn't have.

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You know, it's like, this is, this
is something so natural to me and

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feels like what I should be doing.

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So it was kind of one of those things
in life where you just step into it and

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all of a sudden it's like, yeah, this
works and this is how my brain works.

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And.

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Were you, cuz I'm, I'm looking around in
your studio here, like, awesome pictures.

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We got a goat, we got owls, we got
wolves, we got fish, we got bears,

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we got, uh, moose and cougar.

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I mean, very, very wildlife
themed for a lot of this.

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Mm-hmm.

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. Uh, did that happen after the hunting
or was that always kind of there?

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It was always there.

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Growing up I was obsessed with animals
and birds and, and, you know, My mom

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tells stories all the time of like
when I was a kid, being able to,

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Id like tons of different birds and
stuff, even when I was really young

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and uh, yeah, I was kind of late.

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Coming up as like, as far as
reading and math, I was always

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really delayed in that stuff.

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Sure.

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Um, but I could like memorize
all the different types of birds

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and, you know, it was good.

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Oh, I drawing pictures and
that kind of stuff too.

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Right.

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You know, so I could, I had that
kind of knowledge but was never

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good at, you know, the reading
and math and that kind of thing.

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So, but that stuff's always been
there, that interest in wildlife

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and, and it led me to go to, College
for ecology, um, at one point.

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So then I worked in fisheries
doing different fisheries work

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for private consulting companies,
really First Nations for a while.

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And so then during that period, my.

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Was a lot of fish.

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Right.

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Cause that's just what I was doing.

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Right.

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Whether I wasn't fishing, I
was working with fish hands on.

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Right.

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You know, and I would fish when
I was, you know, lunch breaks and

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after work when I'm out in the
field in all these awesome places.

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Right.

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So, um, I would fish like a hundred days
a year or more because I'd be out there.

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Right.

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I'd be working out there.

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And then in the off season from,
from work, I would still be fishing.

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So just living the dream.

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That's right.

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Yeah.

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And then honey kind of came into
the picture and my art did change.

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Okay.

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The subject matter kind
of changed a little bit.

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Um, and I started seeing a lot
more of like game animals and

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that kind of stuff coming into it.

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Just as your interests change, you
know, it's kind of like I'm super

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interested in fish and I did a ton of
fish and I get a little obsessed with

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like certain subjects for a while,
you know, And my wife will even be

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like, , are you only draw sheep now?

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Or, you know, , You know,
like that kind of stuff.

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And I'll get into it for a little
while and then I'll move on to,

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so, And that's just kind of how it

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rolls, so.

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Well, you've done some work for a number
of different conservation groups too,

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haven't you?

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Yeah.

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Um, Wild Chief Society of bc.

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Right.

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Done a bunch of designs for them.

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Um, Rocky Mountain Goat Alliance,
done some work for them.

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Um, yeah, so that kind of
is meat eater kind of got me

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into all those realms as well.

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You know, I think there's
kind of a door opening there

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from getting in with mediator.

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It's kinda like all of a sudden that
world starts to see you a little bit.

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Mm.

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Um, But also just being a BC guy,
getting on with different BC groups

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and seeing that I'm involved and
interested in those things as well.

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So isn't it funny how one thing can
open the door for you, like Meer

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meat eater can help open the doors
to the different groups and right

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those connections in the same breath.

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Your artwork is opening
the doors for other people.

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I mean that that known shirt and that
artwork that you have, people have

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worn all over the world and people
have struck up conversations and been

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introduced to mediator through your

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art.

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Yeah.

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It's kinda neat how it goes
kind of full circle for sure.

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A little bit.

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Yeah.

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So

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tell me about how Duguay,

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Um, it's a special place
in the world to meet.

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I mean, we always went.

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Growing up as kids, you know,
for like summer holidays, we'd

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go there every once in a while.

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Okay.

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Um, and it's just a unique place
because, well, for a lot of reasons.

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I guess it's an archipelago
right off the west coast of pc.

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Um, And it's northern, but it also
has really warm water going by it.

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Okay?

00:11:04.605 --> 00:11:07.665
So you get these really interesting
weather patterns where you get like

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these, this totally unique to the, on the
world, in the world climate, you know?

00:11:12.975 --> 00:11:16.785
And so you get just like the
greenest forest you've ever seen

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and, and the thickest kind of
jungley country you've ever imagined.

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And cool.

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And yeah, you get lots of cool
wildlife encounters and giant bears.

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You know, they say don't hibernate.

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So there's just massive black bears there.

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Um, Really?

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Yeah.

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So we just got back from hunting there
and I was just kind of recapping to

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a different hunter friend of mine.

00:11:36.540 --> 00:11:39.810
I'm like, You can't imagine
who's also never been.

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I was kinda saying, you can't
imagine the bears there.

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It's like, we went for four
days and I probably saw.

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Well, we saw, I think six bears total.

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Of those six bears two were
probably over 500 pounds.

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Whoa.

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And the rest were over 300 pounds.

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Whoa.

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So it's just like you don't see
bear quality like that elsewhere.

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Like they're just big, healthy, robust
bears with unique diets and Yeah.

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And really long season for
them to be finding lots of

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food.

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So, Yeah.

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Friend of mine actually we're supposed
to be up, Um, Hunting with him in

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the Yukon, but they weren't able
to, They, they have a draw for, uh,

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Canadians that are non residency Yukon
that have an accompaniment permit.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And so anyways, so
weren't able to get that.

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, uh, we're gonna be floating down the P
river and, uh, looking for some moose

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anyways, and just helping out mm-hmm.

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, even though you couldn't hunt it.

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And then he got called out, he was
flying fire, putting out fires, and, uh,

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kind of kiboshed our trip, but he was
talking about a HWI trip and the last

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one that he was on, and he says, you
know, uh, his, his buddy was with him.

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He ended up just sleeping in
his vehicle after day one.

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There's just so many bears everywhere.

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Oh

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yeah.

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And the bears are queued
into what's going on.

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So if you don't know anything about Heide,
Tons and tons of sickle, black tails here.

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Like they're everywhere.

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Um, the yearly bag limit is 15, right?

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You can have a possession of five.

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So there's just like a ton of
deer and the management is.

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Get rid of them kind of thing.

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Possession of five deal.

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Five possession of,
Yeah, possession of five.

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Okay.

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The, a limit of 15.

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Wow.

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So you can transport five.

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Wow.

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But you can get 15 in a year.

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Wow.

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Right.

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So that's kind of the setup.

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Um, Okay.

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But yeah, the idea is to
get rid of deer, really.

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I mean, they're, they're,
they're non-native.

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Introduced and they've
changed the landscape.

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I mean, people have also changed
the landscape there with Sure.

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Really extensive logging.

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But you know, the amount of deer there
is, it's a little bit bo mind boggling.

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Like there's just tracks everywhere.

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Like you step into the forest
and if there's a soft piece of

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ground, it has a deer track.

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Wow.

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Like you just can't avoid it.

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They're everywhere.

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And, uh, Yeah.

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So you kind of imagine this
world where there's so many deer,

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but the bears are there also.

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And the bears are really queued
into what's going on as far

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as tons of hunters coming.

00:14:02.685 --> 00:14:05.385
Local guys shoot lots
of deer all the time.

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Mm.

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Um, and the bears have
just got it figured out.

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They've got dialed in,
they follow hunters around.

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Like we've had that before where
we've had to scare off bears that

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would just follow us all day.

00:14:16.035 --> 00:14:16.155
Wow.

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Waiting for us to shoot something so
they could come get a gut pile and.

00:14:20.550 --> 00:14:22.410
There's lots of stories like it's a ra.

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When you get an animal down,
it's a race to get there.

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Like, you gotta make sure you
don't leave animals to die

00:14:30.300 --> 00:14:31.620
long periods of time, right?

00:14:31.620 --> 00:14:32.790
Cause it'll never be yours.

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A bear will claim it first.

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Holy crow.

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So there's just a lot of bears
and they've got it figured out.

00:14:38.070 --> 00:14:42.960
Um, like we are looking at, uh, you
know, the poo piles from the bears.

00:14:43.340 --> 00:14:46.340
And it's like sauber, so
it's all that Purplely blue.

00:14:46.400 --> 00:14:46.610
Yeah.

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Um, but it's just fuzzy.

00:14:48.170 --> 00:14:51.500
It looks like velvet antlers, you
know, it's just like full of deer hair.

00:14:51.500 --> 00:14:54.920
Cause it'll just follow hunters
around, eat the gut piles and eat

00:14:54.920 --> 00:14:57.590
up the whole hides and then, you
know, move on to the next thing.

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So easy.

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Yeah, it's really interesting and it's
just such an interesting dynamic and you

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probably don't get that anywhere else.

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You know?

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It's really unique.

00:15:05.150 --> 00:15:07.490
Um, I can't think of anywhere
where I've seen that.

00:15:07.550 --> 00:15:08.030
And I've never

00:15:08.030 --> 00:15:08.600
been there though.

00:15:08.630 --> 00:15:09.290
Yeah, yeah.

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No, it's really interesting.

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Yeah, the size of bears.

00:15:12.250 --> 00:15:14.800
And we saw a lot of Martin on this trip.

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Um, so they also have Martin there.

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They're really big, but they don't
grow the big coats, so no one really

00:15:18.915 --> 00:15:21.370
bothers, trapping 'em there, so they
don't get their winter coat cause

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they don't get a hard winter, so.

00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:23.050
Right.

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But yeah, really interesting
to see the Big Martin.

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And we saw like, usually there's
Martin around but you don't see them.

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Um, but on this trip, again, in four days
we probably saw six, you know, really.

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Huh?

00:15:36.295 --> 00:15:36.505
Yeah.

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They're just kind of out
and about doing their thing.

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And we'd see 'em in the early morning.

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Yeah.

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And in the middle of the day, we
saw one sleeping on top of a stump.

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So that's not usual.

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No . Like everything there is
just a little bit backwards and

00:15:47.485 --> 00:15:48.505
it's, Yeah, it's really neat.

00:15:48.595 --> 00:15:48.865
Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So, and you were there with.

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Your father.

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Yeah, that's right.

00:15:52.660 --> 00:15:52.930
Yeah.

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The two of you?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, just the two of us.

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And um, yeah, we were just
camping in a wall tent and yeah.

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So with all the bears there,
were you concerned about, We

00:16:03.460 --> 00:16:06.370
were camping kind of right
in town in the campground.

00:16:06.370 --> 00:16:08.530
We had electric, you know,
we had electricity and it was

00:16:08.530 --> 00:16:10.050
pretty, pretty, uh, chill.

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Um, that's not really my
style of hunting, but you.

00:16:14.760 --> 00:16:17.640
To be able to spend that time with my
dad and kind of be like, you know, let's

00:16:17.640 --> 00:16:21.870
just accommodate that a little bit, a
little more comfort, you know, And we

00:16:21.870 --> 00:16:26.040
can just stay in town and we can go out
and, you know, have our days and yeah.

00:16:26.219 --> 00:16:26.430
So

00:16:26.430 --> 00:16:27.120
what is your

00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:27.810
Stella hunting?

00:16:28.140 --> 00:16:29.760
I really like back country stuff.

00:16:29.880 --> 00:16:34.319
Um, well, it's hard to say cause I like
back country stuff for like, you know,

00:16:34.319 --> 00:16:35.819
goat hunting and that kind of thing.

00:16:37.620 --> 00:16:41.070
But I also like do a lot of day
trips just because of where I live.

00:16:41.160 --> 00:16:42.930
It's all right here, you know?

00:16:42.950 --> 00:16:43.110
Right.

00:16:43.115 --> 00:16:46.830
So I can still be like the dad that
picks my kid up from school, but I've

00:16:46.830 --> 00:16:48.330
just been hunting all day, you know?

00:16:48.510 --> 00:16:50.460
So it's kind like . It's not too bad.

00:16:50.460 --> 00:16:52.890
You know, I can, I kind of
balance these things a little bit.

00:16:53.100 --> 00:16:57.025
Um, Like this big bear, there's a
big, great big skull right here.

00:16:57.025 --> 00:16:57.115
Yeah.

00:16:57.235 --> 00:16:59.095
Um, from a massive black bear.

00:16:59.095 --> 00:17:02.215
And you know, that bear was like, I
put the kids to bed and was like, you

00:17:02.215 --> 00:17:05.545
know, let's go out hunting, take the
dog for a walk, kind of thing, you know?

00:17:05.935 --> 00:17:07.405
And uh, yeah.

00:17:07.405 --> 00:17:08.875
It's just cool being right here.

00:17:08.880 --> 00:17:09.315
Like I can.

00:17:09.700 --> 00:17:13.300
Drive out my door and be in good
bear hunting in like 15 minutes.

00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:13.629
That's

00:17:13.629 --> 00:17:14.200
a good sized

00:17:14.200 --> 00:17:14.950
skull too.

00:17:15.250 --> 00:17:19.690
Yeah, no, it's, it kind of falls into the
Boon and Crockett 100 kind of list and,

00:17:20.079 --> 00:17:22.270
um, Yeah, no, it's a good sized skull.

00:17:22.270 --> 00:17:24.460
You got those great big
cheekbones, and I don't think

00:17:24.460 --> 00:17:25.690
the camera's picking that one up.

00:17:25.690 --> 00:17:29.139
It's just gonna show us both looking
at, with admiration at skull.

00:17:29.145 --> 00:17:29.320
Maybe

00:17:29.320 --> 00:17:30.160
I should, You wanna pick it up?

00:17:30.320 --> 00:17:30.940
Yeah, yeah, sure.

00:17:30.940 --> 00:17:31.210
Yeah.

00:17:31.210 --> 00:17:37.185
So yeah, it's a, it's a good skull and
it's, These, uh, yeah, really good orbital

00:17:37.185 --> 00:17:41.564
bones and it has really good width so you
can kind of see the width is really good.

00:17:41.564 --> 00:17:44.685
But he is a little short in the
face, so it doesn't quite score

00:17:44.685 --> 00:17:46.485
fantastic, but it does pretty good.

00:17:46.965 --> 00:17:48.225
So what was the story

00:17:48.225 --> 00:17:48.705
on that guy?

00:17:49.095 --> 00:17:53.355
Um, yeah, it was just like spring
bear hunting around here is a big

00:17:53.360 --> 00:17:54.915
thing for me and a lot of people.

00:17:55.215 --> 00:17:58.890
Um, so it was like, Kids are in bed.

00:17:58.980 --> 00:18:02.850
It's seven o'clock, you
know, seven 30 or whatever.

00:18:02.880 --> 00:18:04.830
I'll just go take the dog,
we'll go for a little run.

00:18:04.830 --> 00:18:08.400
I'll throw the rifle on my back and
we'll see what happens, you know?

00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:09.690
And ended.

00:18:10.785 --> 00:18:12.405
Finding a lot of fresh signs.

00:18:12.405 --> 00:18:15.285
So I got the wind right and then
I, you know, my way to hunt spring

00:18:15.285 --> 00:18:18.255
bears is kind of like get in an area
where there's tons of sign, right?

00:18:18.315 --> 00:18:20.115
Um, which is usually the hardest part.

00:18:20.115 --> 00:18:22.545
Just find an area with lots of
good fresh, like super fresh

00:18:22.545 --> 00:18:24.045
that day sort of sign right?

00:18:24.105 --> 00:18:25.995
And then just slow walk into the wind.

00:18:25.995 --> 00:18:27.375
Kind of still hunt almost.

00:18:27.455 --> 00:18:29.685
And yeah, walked right up on this bear.

00:18:29.685 --> 00:18:30.255
Shot him at.

00:18:31.425 --> 00:18:36.375
L 15 yards max, um, and
15 yards on that guy.

00:18:36.495 --> 00:18:36.885
Yeah.

00:18:37.004 --> 00:18:37.304
Okay.

00:18:37.304 --> 00:18:37.665
Yeah.

00:18:37.665 --> 00:18:39.855
So he is, yeah, walked right up on him.

00:18:40.095 --> 00:18:41.205
I had my dog with me.

00:18:41.625 --> 00:18:42.675
She barked at him.

00:18:43.185 --> 00:18:46.395
He didn't care, you know, he was
obvious like king of the mountain.

00:18:46.395 --> 00:18:48.915
Didn't care about who was
there really, you know?

00:18:48.919 --> 00:18:51.645
He looked right at me, looked
right at my dog, who's barking.

00:18:53.235 --> 00:18:54.645
Put his head back down and kept eating.

00:18:55.304 --> 00:18:56.655
I didn't care that we were there.

00:18:56.835 --> 00:18:57.435
Like, okay.

00:18:57.645 --> 00:18:57.975
Yeah.

00:18:58.485 --> 00:18:59.655
Took, took the bear.

00:18:59.655 --> 00:19:03.375
One shot, nice and close and rolled
down a little hill and then it was.

00:19:04.530 --> 00:19:06.480
I think it was two o'clock in
the morning when I was home.

00:19:06.480 --> 00:19:09.190
Cuz yeah, Big bears is
a lot of, a lot of work.

00:19:09.190 --> 00:19:10.190
So it is a lot of work.

00:19:10.195 --> 00:19:10.530
Yeah.

00:19:10.650 --> 00:19:13.830
So especially by yourself and
Spring Bear, not as much fat.

00:19:14.130 --> 00:19:14.580
Actually.

00:19:14.580 --> 00:19:15.270
It was amazing.

00:19:15.270 --> 00:19:20.250
So this bear had, I think I, looking
at my, I try to keep track of

00:19:20.255 --> 00:19:21.780
all the yield from all my bears.

00:19:21.785 --> 00:19:21.990
Okay.

00:19:22.110 --> 00:19:23.070
So I had a lot of bears.

00:19:23.070 --> 00:19:25.200
So it's kind of like, I like
to, I'm interested in, you

00:19:25.200 --> 00:19:26.370
know, how much yield I get.

00:19:26.490 --> 00:19:26.700
Right?

00:19:26.700 --> 00:19:30.720
So I think I got 186 pounds
of lean, like bone out meat.

00:19:31.230 --> 00:19:34.745
Um, And almost 90 pounds of fat.

00:19:35.045 --> 00:19:35.885
Holy crew.

00:19:35.915 --> 00:19:36.245
Yeah.

00:19:36.245 --> 00:19:37.565
So, and that's on his spring bear.

00:19:37.565 --> 00:19:38.395
So he had, That's crazy.

00:19:38.555 --> 00:19:41.495
He had almost six inch, like, he
probably had four inches at his

00:19:41.495 --> 00:19:43.745
shoulder and on his back end.

00:19:43.745 --> 00:19:48.125
He probably had close to six inches
of fat on his back in the spring.

00:19:48.275 --> 00:19:48.515
I think.

00:19:48.515 --> 00:19:48.575
I

00:19:48.575 --> 00:19:49.685
know we're gonna become a first spring

00:19:49.685 --> 00:19:50.225
bear in the future.

00:19:50.230 --> 00:19:50.285
Yeah.

00:19:50.395 --> 00:19:53.555
Well, you know, I also get a lot
of spring bear that are as lean

00:19:53.555 --> 00:19:54.515
as you could imagine, right?

00:19:54.515 --> 00:19:55.715
There's no extra fat.

00:19:55.715 --> 00:19:59.615
Like I got a decent bear this
spring, but the body was small.

00:19:59.730 --> 00:20:03.300
And it had no extra fat and,
you know, that sort of thing.

00:20:03.300 --> 00:20:06.810
So yeah, it's kind of a balance
of, you know, where they're

00:20:06.810 --> 00:20:07.800
living and what they're doing.

00:20:07.800 --> 00:20:09.210
But this guy had something figured out.

00:20:09.690 --> 00:20:09.930
Yep.

00:20:10.110 --> 00:20:15.120
The, uh, the golden rule is be where the
animals are and be when the animals are.

00:20:15.125 --> 00:20:16.170
And you're, you're good.

00:20:16.170 --> 00:20:16.530
Yeah.

00:20:16.535 --> 00:20:16.860
Yeah.

00:20:16.860 --> 00:20:17.430
Exactly.

00:20:17.435 --> 00:20:18.300
No, it worked out.

00:20:18.660 --> 00:20:22.710
And, uh, Yeah, he had a whole
bunch of bird shot in his back end.

00:20:22.920 --> 00:20:24.780
Someone else had scared it away.

00:20:24.780 --> 00:20:27.060
He'd had some, he'd had some run ins.

00:20:27.300 --> 00:20:29.909
Yeah, he wasn't too far from
humanity, so I think he was

00:20:29.909 --> 00:20:32.310
maybe visiting a few backyards.

00:20:32.370 --> 00:20:32.730
Okay.

00:20:32.730 --> 00:20:34.080
But, uh, how, How'd the meat taste?

00:20:34.200 --> 00:20:34.649
Awesome.

00:20:34.680 --> 00:20:34.920
Yeah.

00:20:34.920 --> 00:20:35.820
Fantastic Bear.

00:20:35.820 --> 00:20:36.090
Yeah.

00:20:36.095 --> 00:20:36.570
Yeah.

00:20:36.810 --> 00:20:38.909
It's a Bears always a
favorite at our house.

00:20:39.440 --> 00:20:44.210
And, uh, I shoot two every year,
um, often both in the spring.

00:20:44.660 --> 00:20:47.420
Um, I still hold one tank
right now, so I'm looking for

00:20:47.420 --> 00:20:48.890
a fall bear coming up soon.

00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:49.070
But

00:20:49.210 --> 00:20:50.270
that's, so I do it as well.

00:20:50.270 --> 00:20:51.020
Our kids love

00:20:51.210 --> 00:20:51.770
bares.

00:20:51.770 --> 00:20:52.370
Yeah, yeah.

00:20:52.370 --> 00:20:53.870
Bear everything, you
know, bear everything.

00:20:53.870 --> 00:20:54.770
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:20:54.830 --> 00:20:59.810
We do roasts and, you know, all
the cool cuts like tongue and Yeah.

00:20:59.810 --> 00:21:02.030
And, uh, heart and all that fun stuff.

00:21:02.030 --> 00:21:02.330
So,

00:21:02.690 --> 00:21:04.700
So you say you're looking
for a super fresh.

00:21:05.235 --> 00:21:06.255
What are you looking for?

00:21:06.705 --> 00:21:10.215
Um, like really crisp edge, edge tracks.

00:21:10.455 --> 00:21:15.600
Um, Fresh, uh, graze where
you have no discoloration.

00:21:15.720 --> 00:21:18.570
Even lots of the times when they're
grazing on like a heavy grass,

00:21:18.810 --> 00:21:21.960
there'll still be water actually
wicking up the grass and just

00:21:21.965 --> 00:21:23.370
beating outta the end of the grass.

00:21:23.375 --> 00:21:23.780
Right.

00:21:23.820 --> 00:21:25.950
And if it's been hours,
that won't be there.

00:21:26.160 --> 00:21:26.310
Right.

00:21:26.310 --> 00:21:26.610
You know?

00:21:26.610 --> 00:21:28.320
So it's like, okay, that's really fresh.

00:21:28.320 --> 00:21:31.500
And then there's like, yeah, scat
that's super fresh, you know,

00:21:31.500 --> 00:21:35.520
like glossy and bugs are all on it
still, and you know, all that stuff.

00:21:35.520 --> 00:21:36.660
So that's probably like the.

00:21:37.699 --> 00:21:39.050
First signs I'm looking for.

00:21:39.050 --> 00:21:42.320
There's other stuff like really fresh
trails where the grass hasn't sprung back.

00:21:42.320 --> 00:21:45.679
But that's always like, you
know, it's hard to say if that's

00:21:45.889 --> 00:21:47.750
yesterday or the day before.

00:21:47.810 --> 00:21:47.989
Yeah.

00:21:47.989 --> 00:21:51.379
Have you ever tried Googling,
uh, how to age bear scat?

00:21:52.489 --> 00:21:52.939
No.

00:21:52.939 --> 00:21:56.719
I've always just kind of like gone
by instinct, I think, you know,

00:21:56.719 --> 00:21:58.050
Cause we have a ton of bears.

00:21:58.050 --> 00:21:58.250
There's.

00:21:58.530 --> 00:22:00.990
Yeah, I bet . Yeah, I
bet there is nothing.

00:22:01.050 --> 00:22:01.530
There really

00:22:01.530 --> 00:22:01.830
isn't.

00:22:02.550 --> 00:22:05.580
Maybe somebody better at Googling
than myself can find stuff.

00:22:05.580 --> 00:22:09.629
But there isn't a heck of a lot of good
information on, on aging bear scat.

00:22:09.629 --> 00:22:11.100
Like, is this an hour old?

00:22:11.100 --> 00:22:12.600
Is this four hours old?

00:22:12.600 --> 00:22:13.649
Is this a day old?

00:22:13.800 --> 00:22:15.060
Yeah, but what am I looking at here?

00:22:15.120 --> 00:22:19.110
Yeah, so I think for me it's
looking at like, yeah, it depends

00:22:19.110 --> 00:22:20.010
on what they're eating, I guess.

00:22:20.010 --> 00:22:21.870
But yeah, in the spring
it's all green, right?

00:22:21.899 --> 00:22:25.830
Um, so if it's not discolored, if
it's literally still looks green,

00:22:26.220 --> 00:22:27.600
then it's probably fairly fresh.

00:22:28.190 --> 00:22:31.820
If it's really glossy and hasn't
dried out, that's an easy one.

00:22:32.060 --> 00:22:33.470
I always step on every single one.

00:22:33.470 --> 00:22:33.770
I see.

00:22:33.770 --> 00:22:34.460
When I'm bear hunting.

00:22:34.490 --> 00:22:35.360
You're one of those guys?

00:22:35.360 --> 00:22:36.140
A hundred percent, yeah.

00:22:36.140 --> 00:22:38.480
First of all, I, That way, you
know, that way I know if I,

00:22:38.510 --> 00:22:39.770
I'm coming out of the trail.

00:22:39.830 --> 00:22:40.910
Yeah, and there's a new one.

00:22:41.730 --> 00:22:44.370
If it doesn't have boot print in
it, it happened while I was gone.

00:22:44.400 --> 00:22:44.640
Yeah.

00:22:44.700 --> 00:22:45.630
You know, there's that.

00:22:45.720 --> 00:22:47.430
Um, plus yeah.

00:22:47.430 --> 00:22:49.920
You see how soft it is when
you, when you step on it.

00:22:49.920 --> 00:22:50.080
Right.

00:22:50.080 --> 00:22:52.260
If it's, if it's at all firm, it's old.

00:22:52.530 --> 00:22:52.680
Right.

00:22:52.680 --> 00:22:56.130
You know, if it's really soft and
oozes out the sides, it's fresh

00:22:56.130 --> 00:22:58.050
and if water comes out of it, yes.

00:22:58.055 --> 00:22:59.550
It's really, really fresh, you know?

00:22:59.550 --> 00:23:02.160
And so, yeah, that's kind of how
I've always learned to do it.

00:23:02.165 --> 00:23:04.200
And just being around
bears, like if you're.

00:23:05.235 --> 00:23:08.594
seeing bears all the time or hunting
bears a lot, you'll kind of just

00:23:08.594 --> 00:23:11.685
start figuring out, you know, okay,
this is fresh and this is old.

00:23:11.685 --> 00:23:12.014
Right?

00:23:12.014 --> 00:23:16.094
And it's hard to describe it, but
that's kind of how I work through it.

00:23:16.215 --> 00:23:16.604
As soon as

00:23:16.604 --> 00:23:21.044
Spring Bear hunt, I'm close to the
lower mainland and was with another

00:23:21.044 --> 00:23:23.985
fellow and came up upon a pile.

00:23:24.044 --> 00:23:25.995
It was bright yellow.

00:23:25.995 --> 00:23:28.995
It looked like banana, looked like it
just squished up banana inside there.

00:23:29.054 --> 00:23:29.405
Yeah, yeah.

00:23:29.504 --> 00:23:33.365
Cuz all the dandy lines had been
eaten and, And he said, Holy crow.

00:23:33.899 --> 00:23:35.040
How fresh is this thing?

00:23:35.190 --> 00:23:35.280
Mm-hmm.

00:23:35.520 --> 00:23:39.210
, I'm looking at this like, I actually
haven't seen it, that bright

00:23:39.210 --> 00:23:40.649
banana colored looking before.

00:23:40.649 --> 00:23:41.070
Oh yeah.

00:23:41.100 --> 00:23:41.460
But that's

00:23:41.460 --> 00:23:42.180
fresh, right?

00:23:42.180 --> 00:23:42.389
Yeah.

00:23:42.389 --> 00:23:42.480
That.

00:23:43.485 --> 00:23:44.115
anyways.

00:23:44.115 --> 00:23:45.795
Uh, and then we looked to
her side and there's a bear.

00:23:45.865 --> 00:23:46.725
Yeah, yeah.

00:23:46.815 --> 00:23:48.315
Um, come back an hour later.

00:23:48.315 --> 00:23:49.515
It already started to turn brown.

00:23:49.755 --> 00:23:50.295
That's right.

00:23:50.355 --> 00:23:50.655
Yeah.

00:23:50.655 --> 00:23:52.665
It doesn't, doesn't take
long for the color to fade.

00:23:52.725 --> 00:23:52.815
Mm-hmm.

00:23:53.055 --> 00:23:53.385
. So, Yeah.

00:23:53.390 --> 00:23:55.245
Especially when they're
on those greens or Yeah.

00:23:55.245 --> 00:23:57.465
Daniel lines and there's
flowers out and Yeah.

00:23:57.470 --> 00:23:59.625
It just oxidizes and then it's done.

00:23:59.625 --> 00:24:00.495
You know, it changes.

00:24:00.495 --> 00:24:01.605
So, Yeah.

00:24:02.325 --> 00:24:06.920
So, With the artwork here, you're uh, I
was looking at some, uh, great pictures

00:24:06.920 --> 00:24:09.260
of Steve McQueen that, uh, Fisher.

00:24:09.410 --> 00:24:09.740
Yeah.

00:24:09.740 --> 00:24:11.510
Brian, Brian Iska, the
Skin of Spade Lodge.

00:24:11.540 --> 00:24:13.639
We've been doing some
fishing there with him.

00:24:13.700 --> 00:24:13.970
Yeah.

00:24:14.300 --> 00:24:17.330
And, uh, his son's drawing some
pictures of Steve McQueen and

00:24:17.330 --> 00:24:18.980
I guess, uh, he said that you

00:24:18.985 --> 00:24:19.790
taught him how to do that.

00:24:19.970 --> 00:24:24.350
Yeah, so, uh, yeah, Fisher's their
son and he comes here for lessons.

00:24:24.350 --> 00:24:25.430
He's super interested in.

00:24:26.115 --> 00:24:29.475
And he, yeah, he just is
really excited about it.

00:24:29.475 --> 00:24:32.085
So they actually pull him outta
school every once in a while and

00:24:32.085 --> 00:24:33.645
he comes here once a week at least.

00:24:34.065 --> 00:24:38.355
And yeah, we, we just kind of try
to work with what he's doing and

00:24:38.565 --> 00:24:43.455
try to teach him new things and
how to see shape, um, young kids.

00:24:43.905 --> 00:24:47.175
The biggest thing about teaching art
is like just teaching them how to

00:24:47.175 --> 00:24:49.995
see stuff, you know, Cuz if they.

00:24:50.850 --> 00:24:51.570
Anybody.

00:24:51.570 --> 00:24:54.330
When I'm at, I teach lessons
at different age levels.

00:24:54.330 --> 00:24:57.930
I did a artist in the classroom
program and I teach adult courses, but.

00:24:58.725 --> 00:25:02.055
It's teaching people how to
see, to make it easier to draw.

00:25:02.355 --> 00:25:06.015
Cause if they can't see simple shapes,
they just get overwhelmed by stuff.

00:25:06.165 --> 00:25:06.195
Mm.

00:25:06.405 --> 00:25:09.675
So yeah, it's when, when I'm
teaching, it's about like, yeah,

00:25:09.680 --> 00:25:13.395
seeing simple shapes and being able
to convert that into something else.

00:25:13.635 --> 00:25:16.515
So when I'm drawing or painting
something, I don't try to just like

00:25:17.085 --> 00:25:18.765
imagine the whole thing happening.

00:25:18.765 --> 00:25:18.855
I.

00:25:19.215 --> 00:25:22.064
Little piece by little piece, simple
shapes and then build from there.

00:25:22.064 --> 00:25:26.294
So to teach kids that is like, how
to see those simple shapes and how

00:25:26.294 --> 00:25:27.584
to turn them into something else.

00:25:27.855 --> 00:25:29.804
That's, that's the basis

00:25:29.804 --> 00:25:30.074
of it.

00:25:30.074 --> 00:25:30.135
Yeah.

00:25:30.435 --> 00:25:31.814
Where'd you learn how to do that?

00:25:32.340 --> 00:25:33.000
Practice.

00:25:33.060 --> 00:25:33.270
Yeah.

00:25:33.270 --> 00:25:33.990
Just self-taught.

00:25:34.010 --> 00:25:34.210
Yeah.

00:25:34.290 --> 00:25:34.740
Yeah.

00:25:34.740 --> 00:25:39.420
So when I was a kid, I just drew all the
time, you know, so if I wasn't outside

00:25:39.420 --> 00:25:44.280
doing something, um, you know, fishing
or hunting a little bit or, you know,

00:25:44.280 --> 00:25:47.580
we did a lot of mushroom picking and
blueberry picking and all that kind of

00:25:47.580 --> 00:25:49.980
stuff growing up, gardening and all that.

00:25:49.980 --> 00:25:53.310
So when I wasn't doing
that kind of stuff, it was.

00:25:53.879 --> 00:25:57.330
I drew and I drew all the time
and I re, I still remember like

00:25:57.330 --> 00:25:59.939
coming home from school drawing,
you know, like all summer long.

00:26:00.179 --> 00:26:03.000
If it wasn't nice outside, I was
drawing all day, you know, And I still

00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:06.330
have tubs of like stacks and stacks
of all of paper kept, not all of it.

00:26:06.330 --> 00:26:07.770
It was like endless, endless.

00:26:07.770 --> 00:26:11.580
But like I got sketchbooks and stuff
from when I was, you know, 6, 7, 8, 9,

00:26:11.580 --> 00:26:13.949
10 growing up and stuff and holy crap.

00:26:14.010 --> 00:26:14.489
Yeah.

00:26:14.699 --> 00:26:16.770
And it kind of faded in and out.

00:26:17.284 --> 00:26:19.925
Teenage years, you're kind of figuring
out what you're actually interested in.

00:26:20.225 --> 00:26:22.354
But yeah, it always came back.

00:26:22.865 --> 00:26:27.784
Well, what kind of, uh, turned me on
to you initially was actually Brian.

00:26:28.054 --> 00:26:28.145
Mm-hmm.

00:26:28.534 --> 00:26:32.014
. So he was on a previous podcast
and he was talking about SP fishing

00:26:32.014 --> 00:26:33.875
and, and what it's all about.

00:26:33.875 --> 00:26:37.054
And I was, uh, I'm still
pretty green at it.

00:26:37.084 --> 00:26:39.844
That, uh, was extremely green at
that time, but I've been able.

00:26:40.760 --> 00:26:43.490
Over the last few years, at least kind
of figure out a few of my different

00:26:43.490 --> 00:26:44.870
casts and get the line out there.

00:26:44.870 --> 00:26:45.290
And Right.

00:26:45.830 --> 00:26:48.710
Actually caught my first steel
head this, uh, this summer.

00:26:48.800 --> 00:26:49.310
Oh, nice.

00:26:49.310 --> 00:26:49.580
Yeah.

00:26:49.820 --> 00:26:50.150
Excellent.

00:26:50.150 --> 00:26:52.790
Caught my first steel head on the
Squamish and then caught another one

00:26:52.790 --> 00:26:54.440
and then, uh, caught into another one.

00:26:54.445 --> 00:26:56.360
The, uh, all on the same day.

00:26:56.365 --> 00:26:56.700
Yeah.

00:26:57.140 --> 00:26:57.260
Excellent.

00:26:57.290 --> 00:26:57.780
Yeah.

00:26:57.785 --> 00:26:58.070
Yeah.

00:26:58.070 --> 00:26:58.400
Cool.

00:26:58.820 --> 00:27:02.420
Not too bad, but, uh, we're driving
to the airport and Brian says, You

00:27:02.420 --> 00:27:05.060
know, Travis, you really should talk.

00:27:05.350 --> 00:27:06.459
To this Casey guy.

00:27:06.639 --> 00:27:06.969
Huh?

00:27:07.000 --> 00:27:09.550
He says he's got a uh,
he's got an eye for things.

00:27:09.699 --> 00:27:13.360
He's able to go out into nature and be
able to see things in a way that other.

00:27:13.995 --> 00:27:19.185
Don't, and he's able to put that
into, uh, into art in a way that

00:27:19.335 --> 00:27:20.475
he hasn't seen anybody else do.

00:27:20.475 --> 00:27:22.725
And he was just going on
and on talking about that.

00:27:22.725 --> 00:27:25.695
And what really intrigued me was
that whole concept of being able

00:27:25.695 --> 00:27:29.535
to go out into nature and be able
to see things in a different way.

00:27:29.540 --> 00:27:29.755
Mm-hmm.

00:27:30.295 --> 00:27:33.475
. And you know, some people walk
outside and they'll see a tree.

00:27:33.475 --> 00:27:36.385
Some people see a forest, some, some
people see a part of it, but everyone

00:27:36.385 --> 00:27:37.795
looks at it a little bit differently.

00:27:37.795 --> 00:27:42.835
And it's that, uh, that connection
with nature and being able to

00:27:42.835 --> 00:27:45.625
increase that connection that I
thought would be a really interesting

00:27:45.625 --> 00:27:47.275
thing from an artist's perspective.

00:27:47.715 --> 00:27:48.385
Totally.

00:27:48.775 --> 00:27:56.365
I think one of the things that I talk
about in art and wildlife and whatever is.

00:27:56.895 --> 00:27:59.925
Like I was just talking about being
able to see things, how they are.

00:28:00.015 --> 00:28:00.195
Mm-hmm.

00:28:00.195 --> 00:28:04.485
You know, and not letting
your brain be lazy.

00:28:04.635 --> 00:28:09.975
So when I teach art, I, I constantly
kind of have to hound people for not

00:28:10.065 --> 00:28:14.025
just filling in the gaps, looking
at something and actually seeing it.

00:28:14.445 --> 00:28:14.805
Okay.

00:28:15.075 --> 00:28:18.585
Um, and cause you know, you use the
example of a tree, you know, you walk.

00:28:19.514 --> 00:28:23.325
And you see a tree and your brain just
says tree, Tree and is done right.

00:28:23.504 --> 00:28:24.975
And then it moves on to the next thing.

00:28:25.065 --> 00:28:27.435
Your brain's good at that and
brains are super good at that.

00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:27.595
Yeah.

00:28:27.600 --> 00:28:29.835
And we wouldn't be able to function
if we didn't have that, but Right.

00:28:30.524 --> 00:28:34.905
To be able to turn it into art, you
need to be able to stop and actually

00:28:34.905 --> 00:28:40.035
see it for what it actually is and the
pieces and the real colors that it is.

00:28:40.035 --> 00:28:43.485
And you know, like I look at this moose
painting behind us, it's probably not in

00:28:43.485 --> 00:28:45.585
the camera, but it's all the whole thing.

00:28:45.590 --> 00:28:47.565
There's not a touch of green it.

00:28:48.180 --> 00:28:51.750
Three colors, you know, it's
black, orange, and white.

00:28:51.750 --> 00:28:52.320
That's it.

00:28:52.530 --> 00:28:52.890
Wow.

00:28:52.950 --> 00:28:54.360
But somehow my IC is green.

00:28:54.360 --> 00:28:57.180
You look at it and you see the green
and you see everything because your

00:28:57.180 --> 00:28:59.310
brain's just filling in the gaps, right?

00:28:59.610 --> 00:29:03.810
So to be able to just look at
it and say, You know, those are

00:29:03.810 --> 00:29:05.220
trees and your brain's done.

00:29:05.340 --> 00:29:10.050
But really if you truly look at it, it's
just all oranges and these awesome colors.

00:29:10.410 --> 00:29:14.085
But, Yeah, these kind of surreal
colors actually, but your brain

00:29:14.090 --> 00:29:15.165
just sorts of fills it in.

00:29:15.345 --> 00:29:18.975
So to be able to go out in nature and
see that, it's interesting and it's cool,

00:29:18.975 --> 00:29:22.815
fun to teach and show people that, um,
it gives them a respect for what they're

00:29:22.815 --> 00:29:25.035
seeing, but also just an eye to see it.

00:29:25.455 --> 00:29:29.295
So you're one of these rare
people who have become an artist

00:29:29.385 --> 00:29:31.155
as a full time profession.

00:29:31.155 --> 00:29:31.485
This is what you

00:29:31.485 --> 00:29:32.955
do full time is Yeah.

00:29:33.015 --> 00:29:37.215
I mean, sort of full
time, I mean, It's my job.

00:29:37.575 --> 00:29:37.665
Okay.

00:29:37.665 --> 00:29:40.455
Like if I have to have a job
that pays me money, this is it.

00:29:40.545 --> 00:29:40.785
Right?

00:29:40.815 --> 00:29:43.405
But I do a lot of other
things to like you.

00:29:44.235 --> 00:29:45.765
Be my work, you know?

00:29:45.795 --> 00:29:45.945
Okay.

00:29:46.095 --> 00:29:51.255
So whether it's food acquisition
in different ways, um, you know,

00:29:51.255 --> 00:29:56.385
gardening or um, hunting or fishing or
picking mushrooms or whatever it is,

00:29:56.475 --> 00:29:58.065
like that's a big part of what I do.

00:29:58.155 --> 00:29:58.425
Right.

00:29:58.515 --> 00:30:03.195
Um, and you know, this house we
bought, I do a ton of work on this

00:30:03.195 --> 00:30:04.965
house, so that's a part of my job.

00:30:05.235 --> 00:30:07.395
I do a lot of the dad duties.

00:30:07.425 --> 00:30:07.635
Sure.

00:30:07.635 --> 00:30:09.615
So, you know, that's a big part of my job.

00:30:09.615 --> 00:30:09.915
But yeah.

00:30:09.915 --> 00:30:11.745
This is my, my paying.

00:30:12.340 --> 00:30:13.300
Yeah, if you wanna put it that

00:30:13.300 --> 00:30:14.469
way, how you make your livelihood.

00:30:14.469 --> 00:30:14.980
That's right.

00:30:15.040 --> 00:30:15.459
I like that.

00:30:15.459 --> 00:30:16.719
It's a good way to be able to describe it.

00:30:16.719 --> 00:30:18.520
So many people, what do you do?

00:30:18.939 --> 00:30:19.179
Yeah.

00:30:19.179 --> 00:30:20.169
And they describe their job.

00:30:20.230 --> 00:30:20.469
That's

00:30:20.475 --> 00:30:20.770
right.

00:30:20.770 --> 00:30:21.040
Right.

00:30:21.070 --> 00:30:21.459
Well, yeah.

00:30:22.090 --> 00:30:22.480
Okay.

00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:25.959
That's maybe one portion of things that
you do for money, but what are you about?

00:30:26.050 --> 00:30:30.669
Yeah, and I think for me, the food stuff,
like getting food by other means is so

00:30:30.669 --> 00:30:32.740
important and it's a part of how I make a.

00:30:33.795 --> 00:30:34.275
you know?

00:30:34.305 --> 00:30:34.455
Right.

00:30:34.455 --> 00:30:37.305
It's not how I make my money,
but it's how I make my living.

00:30:37.310 --> 00:30:37.745
Right.

00:30:37.845 --> 00:30:39.825
You know, And so that's
really important to me.

00:30:40.155 --> 00:30:42.375
Um, and it's kind of something
that I always grew up with.

00:30:42.375 --> 00:30:46.395
We always had a big garden and
we always fished a lot, you know,

00:30:46.725 --> 00:30:49.005
And so that was always really, I.

00:30:49.585 --> 00:30:51.024
When I was a kid, it
was kinda like annoying.

00:30:51.024 --> 00:30:52.014
So it was always a lot of work.

00:30:52.014 --> 00:30:54.475
You know, it's like we gotta
go weed the garden or you

00:30:54.475 --> 00:30:55.764
know, all this kind of stuff.

00:30:55.825 --> 00:30:58.435
But as you get older, you kind
of really appreciate that work.

00:30:58.465 --> 00:30:58.645
There's

00:30:58.875 --> 00:30:59.875
a zen quality to it.

00:31:00.024 --> 00:31:02.004
There is, and there's
something so natural about it.

00:31:02.004 --> 00:31:06.865
And the food's better in the, you know,
and there's some, that connection to food

00:31:06.925 --> 00:31:08.835
just changes your outlook in on the world.

00:31:08.965 --> 00:31:11.304
I think it's like, okay, well this
stuff's important because that's

00:31:11.304 --> 00:31:13.165
where my food comes from, you know?

00:31:13.165 --> 00:31:16.524
But that disconnect that so many
people have, like, you know,

00:31:16.554 --> 00:31:18.715
Here's my food and it's just there.

00:31:18.935 --> 00:31:19.495
Right.

00:31:19.495 --> 00:31:19.795
Right.

00:31:19.795 --> 00:31:23.335
And I'm not saying we don't buy
food, we buy lots of food, but it's

00:31:23.340 --> 00:31:26.455
just different when a lot of your
food is coming from something you've

00:31:26.455 --> 00:31:27.745
done with your hands, you know?

00:31:27.985 --> 00:31:28.435
You know,

00:31:28.495 --> 00:31:30.055
with our kids, we've done the same thing.

00:31:30.085 --> 00:31:34.885
We try and teach 'em an appreciation for
the natural environment, appreciation

00:31:34.890 --> 00:31:38.005
for what it is that they're eating
and consuming, whether they're

00:31:38.005 --> 00:31:39.715
wearing it or whatever it might be.

00:31:39.775 --> 00:31:40.135
Right.

00:31:40.135 --> 00:31:41.185
But like where it comes from.

00:31:41.335 --> 00:31:41.515
Mm-hmm.

00:31:42.025 --> 00:31:44.365
, because then you tend to.

00:31:45.135 --> 00:31:46.095
Not wasted as much.

00:31:46.095 --> 00:31:46.155
Yeah.

00:31:46.274 --> 00:31:47.504
Particularly as a child.

00:31:47.534 --> 00:31:47.655
Mm-hmm.

00:31:47.955 --> 00:31:50.835
, you enjoy it more if you've been
in the garden, creating it and

00:31:51.014 --> 00:31:52.605
helping it grow and, and Yeah.

00:31:52.725 --> 00:31:53.085
Yeah.

00:31:53.145 --> 00:31:59.264
When they were, um, quite young
actually, we took 'em to, uh, a, uh, a

00:31:59.264 --> 00:32:00.825
friend of a friend and they had a farm.

00:32:00.825 --> 00:32:03.314
We'd usually get a lot of our,
uh, our meat from their farm.

00:32:03.405 --> 00:32:03.764
Okay.

00:32:03.855 --> 00:32:04.095
Yeah.

00:32:04.245 --> 00:32:07.155
And, uh, it was all, cuz we
knew what happened with the

00:32:07.155 --> 00:32:08.264
meat and where it spanned.

00:32:08.405 --> 00:32:09.345
Right, right, right, right.

00:32:09.524 --> 00:32:14.610
And, uh, Anyways, he took him up there
for, um, a brookshire pig and figured

00:32:14.610 --> 00:32:17.880
we'd slaughter it and butcher it up
and have them a part of that process.

00:32:17.940 --> 00:32:18.030
Mm-hmm.

00:32:18.540 --> 00:32:22.320
, I took 'em around the corner for, for
the slaughter, but, um, I figured, eh,

00:32:22.320 --> 00:32:25.320
maybe a little young, they don't need
to be seeing this, but for the rest of

00:32:25.320 --> 00:32:29.700
it and, you know, hanging it and getting
it out and butchering it up and Yeah.

00:32:29.970 --> 00:32:32.770
You know, just dragging it through
the snow into the, uh, , the

00:32:32.775 --> 00:32:34.560
big, uh, trail at leaves.

00:32:34.560 --> 00:32:35.580
This is all a part of it.

00:32:35.580 --> 00:32:36.270
This was a pig.

00:32:36.270 --> 00:32:38.010
It was alive before and now it's dead.

00:32:38.040 --> 00:32:38.220
Yeah.

00:32:38.220 --> 00:32:39.000
Now we're gonna eat it.

00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:39.360
Yeah.

00:32:39.360 --> 00:32:39.450
And.

00:32:39.940 --> 00:32:45.399
Uh, it gives a far greater appreciation
and now that they're getting older and

00:32:45.399 --> 00:32:50.170
they hunt and they fish and, um, I mean
our son, when he turned 10, all he wanted

00:32:50.170 --> 00:32:55.720
to do was get his hunting license and,
um, when he was 11, he got his first year.

00:32:56.020 --> 00:32:56.170
Mm-hmm.

00:32:56.560 --> 00:33:02.020
and every meal we had, we talk about
that hunt and we talk about, and it is

00:33:02.020 --> 00:33:04.659
just a very different connection to.

00:33:06.150 --> 00:33:08.250
To your food and, and
to the rest of your life

00:33:08.250 --> 00:33:08.760
actually.

00:33:08.820 --> 00:33:08.970
Mm-hmm.

00:33:09.600 --> 00:33:10.470
? Yeah, I think so.

00:33:10.470 --> 00:33:12.750
And one thing that's really
interesting to me is.

00:33:14.219 --> 00:33:18.719
, the whole death thing is really
interesting to watch kids go through

00:33:18.719 --> 00:33:23.250
it, you know, whether it's, you know, we
raised chickens here a little bit and you

00:33:23.254 --> 00:33:27.750
know, I grew up raising chickens and we
go to my parents who live here and go, you

00:33:27.754 --> 00:33:30.000
know, help put your chickens and whatever.

00:33:30.030 --> 00:33:31.020
All that kind of stuff.

00:33:31.020 --> 00:33:36.120
And, and for kids that stuff is so normal
until they're told it's not, you know?

00:33:36.149 --> 00:33:36.389
Right.

00:33:36.395 --> 00:33:37.080
I think so.

00:33:37.080 --> 00:33:41.595
Like, My daughter's six, she'll
wanna stay home from school to

00:33:41.595 --> 00:33:43.215
help me butcher a bear, you know?

00:33:43.220 --> 00:33:43.385
Mm-hmm.

00:33:43.465 --> 00:33:47.115
. Cause that's like exciting and cool
and she thinks it's really fun.

00:33:47.265 --> 00:33:47.475
Right.

00:33:47.475 --> 00:33:50.025
You know, and it's something you can
do with dad and whatever, but she's

00:33:50.085 --> 00:33:53.565
just into it and thinks it's super
interesting and, and like you said,

00:33:53.565 --> 00:33:56.535
when when the food's on the table you
can be like, What bear is this from?

00:33:56.685 --> 00:33:58.065
Or, you know, like that kind of thing.

00:33:58.065 --> 00:33:59.085
And that's really cool.

00:33:59.235 --> 00:34:00.195
And you can see that whole story.

00:34:00.195 --> 00:34:04.065
She's come along on hunts and stuff
before too, and been there for the whole.

00:34:04.400 --> 00:34:04.670
You know?

00:34:04.670 --> 00:34:04.910
Yeah.

00:34:05.060 --> 00:34:06.620
Like she watched the bear die.

00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:09.680
She, you know, was there to drag it out.

00:34:09.680 --> 00:34:13.460
I remember the first time she was
on a bear hunt that was successful.

00:34:13.465 --> 00:34:16.100
It was like, you know, she was
small and it was raining and it

00:34:16.100 --> 00:34:18.380
was all dead bracken in the spring.

00:34:18.380 --> 00:34:20.420
So it was super slippery
and it was steep hill.

00:34:20.420 --> 00:34:24.230
And so I'm dragging a bear in one
hand and holding her in the other

00:34:24.235 --> 00:34:25.610
hand and dragging it down the hill.

00:34:25.610 --> 00:34:28.430
And for me that's like such
a cool memory, you know?

00:34:28.430 --> 00:34:30.320
She was just like, a lot of work.

00:34:30.410 --> 00:34:32.630
It's still a lot of work,
but you know, she, she.

00:34:33.240 --> 00:34:36.720
Kind of saw all the work that goes into
this food and how it all comes, you

00:34:36.720 --> 00:34:38.430
know, how, how it gets to the table.

00:34:38.430 --> 00:34:39.930
And I thought that that was so cool.

00:34:40.410 --> 00:34:40.710
Yeah.

00:34:40.890 --> 00:34:41.400
There seems to

00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:45.030
be a, a disconnect between
life and death from mm-hmm.

00:34:45.420 --> 00:34:49.380
as time goes on and people just buy
their food from the grocery store.

00:34:49.500 --> 00:34:49.590
Mm-hmm.

00:34:50.100 --> 00:34:55.470
, uh, when they co-op the
responsibility of the actual

00:34:55.500 --> 00:34:57.080
killing of the animal to somebody.

00:34:58.095 --> 00:34:59.835
, but they still want to consume mm-hmm.

00:35:00.255 --> 00:35:00.795
the animal.

00:35:00.884 --> 00:35:01.185
Yeah.

00:35:01.605 --> 00:35:05.205
And you know, I, I've read some
literature on it and I don't know

00:35:05.205 --> 00:35:08.985
how much of it's biased and how,
but they, they talk about how death

00:35:08.985 --> 00:35:11.085
becomes a very closed door process.

00:35:11.145 --> 00:35:11.295
Mm-hmm.

00:35:11.654 --> 00:35:15.674
, uh, it used to be open caskets
were, were, uh, quite common.

00:35:15.674 --> 00:35:20.085
Some cultures will have the, the
body on a bed for X amount of days.

00:35:20.355 --> 00:35:20.505
Mm-hmm.

00:35:21.075 --> 00:35:23.895
and people will come by and
view it and, and there's an

00:35:23.895 --> 00:35:25.875
understanding that we're alive.

00:35:26.470 --> 00:35:28.480
, we die that time in between.

00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:29.589
We try and make the most of it.

00:35:29.799 --> 00:35:29.980
Mm-hmm.

00:35:30.700 --> 00:35:34.930
, um, when we started closing those
doors and that whole death process

00:35:34.930 --> 00:35:36.640
becomes such a taboo thing.

00:35:37.839 --> 00:35:45.339
Um, people are postulating that the
value of life is diminished and people,

00:35:46.089 --> 00:35:50.169
people's value of other people's lives
and other animals' lives is, becomes

00:35:50.169 --> 00:35:56.370
less because they don't, um, uh, They
don't have that understanding in the same

00:35:56.370 --> 00:35:58.230
way that somebody growing up in a farm

00:35:58.230 --> 00:35:58.530
might.

00:35:58.800 --> 00:35:59.400
That's right.

00:35:59.400 --> 00:36:01.440
And I think, you know, I
have other friends that have

00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:02.730
also gotten into hunting.

00:36:03.435 --> 00:36:10.095
Um, from even more of like a non-hunting
background and having the background

00:36:10.095 --> 00:36:13.125
that I did, you know, where we,
we, we butcher, I, I raised meat

00:36:13.130 --> 00:36:16.845
rabbits growing up as a kid and we
raised chickens and all that kind of

00:36:16.845 --> 00:36:19.365
stuff and, and being there for that.

00:36:19.890 --> 00:36:22.290
I wasn't complacent to death,
but I just understood that

00:36:22.290 --> 00:36:23.879
it was part of the process.

00:36:23.910 --> 00:36:24.000
Mm-hmm.

00:36:24.270 --> 00:36:28.680
, you know, and other people were
coming in from a background that

00:36:28.680 --> 00:36:30.569
didn't even have that aspect of it.

00:36:30.575 --> 00:36:33.240
And they came into hunting and
the whole death thing was new

00:36:33.245 --> 00:36:35.790
and a little bit uncomfortable.

00:36:35.819 --> 00:36:39.120
The only other death experiences
they'd had was like people,

00:36:39.419 --> 00:36:41.580
family members or pets, you know?

00:36:41.580 --> 00:36:41.759
Right.

00:36:41.790 --> 00:36:44.669
Which is different because it's
You have a family connection.

00:36:44.669 --> 00:36:45.779
Connection, exactly.

00:36:45.785 --> 00:36:46.080
So it's.

00:36:46.725 --> 00:36:48.375
Well this is, this is different.

00:36:48.555 --> 00:36:48.705
Mm.

00:36:48.705 --> 00:36:50.655
You know, this is very
different from that.

00:36:50.655 --> 00:36:53.955
There's kind of a means to an end, right?

00:36:53.955 --> 00:36:54.045
Mm-hmm.

00:36:54.285 --> 00:36:57.975
, And I don't, I don't wanna say that
that death of animals don't, doesn't

00:36:57.975 --> 00:36:59.925
impact me, cuz it definitely does.

00:36:59.925 --> 00:37:02.595
And as a hundred impacts
me more now than it did.

00:37:02.985 --> 00:37:07.470
Um, . But yeah, there's
just a certain understanding

00:37:07.470 --> 00:37:10.290
there where it feels natural.

00:37:10.290 --> 00:37:10.380
Right.

00:37:10.680 --> 00:37:12.150
What do you mean by that as a hundred now?

00:37:12.150 --> 00:37:13.950
It impacts you more than it did.

00:37:14.009 --> 00:37:14.250
Well, I

00:37:14.250 --> 00:37:19.350
think maybe it's just getting older
too, and kind of understanding the, the

00:37:19.410 --> 00:37:22.290
finite life that we live here, you know?

00:37:22.295 --> 00:37:22.299
Mm-hmm.

00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:26.520
, this, this kind of like flesh and body
form of us is not forever, you know?

00:37:26.819 --> 00:37:27.020
Right.

00:37:27.025 --> 00:37:33.390
And so for me it's kind of
like, yeah, like there's this.

00:37:35.475 --> 00:37:40.785
Respect for the animal's life that I've
gathered as I spend more time with them.

00:37:40.845 --> 00:37:41.195
Mm.

00:37:41.355 --> 00:37:45.045
You know, like on a spring bear hunt,
I'll see a lot of bears, you know, and

00:37:45.050 --> 00:37:48.105
I'll spend a lot of time watching them
or just looking at them doing their

00:37:48.105 --> 00:37:50.175
thing or, you know, that sort of stuff.

00:37:50.175 --> 00:37:53.805
So it's kind of like you, you grow
this bigger and bigger connection.

00:37:54.105 --> 00:37:57.195
And as, as I've killed more
bears too, you kind of see each

00:37:57.405 --> 00:37:59.355
bear and how individual it is.

00:37:59.505 --> 00:38:00.885
They are, you know, extremely.

00:38:00.885 --> 00:38:03.165
Each bear has, I mean, I look
at the skulls around this.

00:38:04.065 --> 00:38:09.855
, you know, this one behind me, um, is
missing half of its bottom jaw because

00:38:09.855 --> 00:38:14.475
it was in some scrap along the way, you
know, and you know, this one over here

00:38:14.475 --> 00:38:18.585
has a broken orbital bone and different
ones had tons of scars on their face or an

00:38:18.585 --> 00:38:20.774
ear missing, or you know, a toe missing.

00:38:20.774 --> 00:38:21.975
There's just stuff happens.

00:38:21.980 --> 00:38:22.075
Mm-hmm.

00:38:22.274 --> 00:38:24.075
. And so they're all like,
they've lived their lives.

00:38:24.075 --> 00:38:26.325
And the more I think about
that stuff, it's like, okay,

00:38:26.325 --> 00:38:27.975
well maybe I have a bit more.

00:38:29.595 --> 00:38:31.575
Emotional connection
to the life and death.

00:38:31.695 --> 00:38:32.265
Interesting.

00:38:32.265 --> 00:38:32.475
Yeah.

00:38:32.715 --> 00:38:33.045
Yeah.

00:38:33.165 --> 00:38:33.495
So

00:38:34.095 --> 00:38:38.565
he had a, um, a friend one time, he
was talking about how death is the

00:38:38.565 --> 00:38:40.575
only thing that gives life value.

00:38:40.605 --> 00:38:41.215
Mm-hmm.

00:38:41.730 --> 00:38:42.480
I said, How?

00:38:42.690 --> 00:38:43.200
What do you mean?

00:38:43.350 --> 00:38:45.270
Yeah, death's the only
thing that gives life value.

00:38:45.275 --> 00:38:45.450
Right.

00:38:45.450 --> 00:38:47.009
And he, well, think of
about it like money.

00:38:47.100 --> 00:38:47.520
Right?

00:38:47.525 --> 00:38:47.609
Right.

00:38:48.029 --> 00:38:51.330
If there's a finite amount of
money, that money now has value.

00:38:51.420 --> 00:38:51.720
Yeah.

00:38:51.779 --> 00:38:55.609
If there's infinite amount of
money, it would be worthless, right?

00:38:55.609 --> 00:38:55.859
That's right.

00:38:55.980 --> 00:38:56.310
Yeah.

00:38:56.315 --> 00:38:56.810
Ah, yeah.

00:38:57.150 --> 00:38:57.750
Good point.

00:38:57.779 --> 00:38:58.140
Yeah.

00:38:58.200 --> 00:39:00.990
And it kind of gives you a
motivation to think about this life

00:39:00.990 --> 00:39:03.359
and what it means and, and yeah.

00:39:03.720 --> 00:39:05.100
Time spent here, you know?

00:39:05.105 --> 00:39:05.370
Totally.

00:39:05.375 --> 00:39:05.640
Totally.

00:39:05.759 --> 00:39:06.060
Yeah.

00:39:07.140 --> 00:39:08.069
So you.

00:39:08.470 --> 00:39:11.709
You know, I, I, I seem to recall you
having some artwork in the airport.

00:39:11.810 --> 00:39:12.230
Yep.

00:39:12.259 --> 00:39:12.750
Yeah.

00:39:12.970 --> 00:39:13.180
Yeah.

00:39:13.240 --> 00:39:15.580
Um, you're working on
a mural right now, Are

00:39:15.580 --> 00:39:15.819
you?

00:39:16.120 --> 00:39:18.310
Uh, I'm not, I'm not working
on a mural right now.

00:39:18.310 --> 00:39:22.120
I'm planning a mural, um, always,
I guess, planning a mural.

00:39:22.125 --> 00:39:22.310
Right.

00:39:22.314 --> 00:39:26.529
Um, so working towards, you
know, what happens next summer.

00:39:26.535 --> 00:39:29.560
I don't have any big outdoor
murals booked for next summer.

00:39:29.830 --> 00:39:34.665
Um, So I kind of don't know exactly
what's happening there, but you know,

00:39:34.665 --> 00:39:38.145
there's, there's balls in the air, but
nothing kind of nailed down for next year.

00:39:38.415 --> 00:39:43.065
Um, but yeah, I am working on another
indoor mural coming up and yeah, murals

00:39:43.070 --> 00:39:45.185
are a fun and interesting project.

00:39:45.525 --> 00:39:45.795
But

00:39:46.005 --> 00:39:50.025
yeah, so, uh, a while back, it's
going back a while now, actually a

00:39:50.025 --> 00:39:54.465
year maybe more, you created some,
uh, custom artwork for, uh, for a

00:39:54.465 --> 00:39:58.065
Silvercore for a project that we've
been working on for the last few years

00:39:58.070 --> 00:40:00.105
now, which is getting close to fruition.

00:40:00.135 --> 00:40:00.315
Oh.

00:40:00.865 --> 00:40:03.955
We'll be launching that hopefully
soon, so people will be seeing your

00:40:03.955 --> 00:40:08.484
artwork in conjunction with some
of the, uh, uh, the endeavor that

00:40:08.484 --> 00:40:09.834
we're doing for our club members.

00:40:09.924 --> 00:40:10.015
Mm-hmm.

00:40:10.615 --> 00:40:14.245
. And, uh, it's finally at a point
where I can start talking a

00:40:14.245 --> 00:40:15.714
little bit openly about this.

00:40:15.745 --> 00:40:16.134
Oh, good.

00:40:16.134 --> 00:40:19.854
And realizing that it's, uh, we're
just about there to, to unveil,

00:40:19.859 --> 00:40:20.964
so that'll be a lot of fun.

00:40:21.504 --> 00:40:25.645
Uh, but if people wanted to check
out your artwork or purchase your.

00:40:26.310 --> 00:40:26.760
How would they do

00:40:26.760 --> 00:40:27.000
that?

00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:30.930
Um, well, currently I have a
under construction website, so

00:40:30.930 --> 00:40:31.950
we'll just kind of forget that.

00:40:31.950 --> 00:40:34.560
That's, forget that, that's a thing.

00:40:34.740 --> 00:40:39.240
Um, but Instagram and Facebook
right now are kind of, My biggest

00:40:39.240 --> 00:40:40.860
means of connection with people.

00:40:40.890 --> 00:40:44.340
Um, it's just kind of a natural
place to show your work and for

00:40:44.345 --> 00:40:48.030
people to engage with it a little
bit and that sort of thing.

00:40:48.030 --> 00:40:48.750
So yeah.

00:40:48.930 --> 00:40:49.350
Okay.

00:40:49.410 --> 00:40:53.040
Yeah, so if they wanted to purchase
something there, it's gotta wait

00:40:53.040 --> 00:40:53.910
for the website to come back

00:40:53.910 --> 00:40:54.300
live.

00:40:54.360 --> 00:40:54.720
Yeah.

00:40:54.720 --> 00:40:58.380
Or send me a message, you know, there
is kind of stuff posted for sale on

00:40:58.380 --> 00:41:01.560
Instagram and that sort of thing,
so there's work available there.

00:41:01.830 --> 00:41:02.970
I do take commissions.

00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:04.530
I'm open for commissions right now.

00:41:04.530 --> 00:41:05.490
I kind of turn that on and.

00:41:06.155 --> 00:41:10.235
Um, but yeah, so that's kind
of the main means right now.

00:41:10.475 --> 00:41:10.805
Awesome.

00:41:10.985 --> 00:41:11.225
Yeah.

00:41:11.405 --> 00:41:13.535
Is there anything that we
should be talking about?

00:41:13.535 --> 00:41:16.355
I know we kind of, we talked
briefly about UA there.

00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:17.915
You guys were obviously successful.

00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:18.605
You guys both

00:41:18.605 --> 00:41:19.205
limited out.

00:41:19.355 --> 00:41:20.315
Well, we didn't limit out.

00:41:20.315 --> 00:41:21.605
We took 70 year home.

00:41:21.610 --> 00:41:25.055
So you, we, uh, yeah, I got
four and my dad had got three.

00:41:25.925 --> 00:41:27.165
Um, But yeah.

00:41:27.165 --> 00:41:30.945
Successful trip and, you know, good
memories made and all that kind of

00:41:30.945 --> 00:41:32.715
stuff and meet in the freezer and, Okay.

00:41:32.765 --> 00:41:33.045
Yeah.

00:41:33.225 --> 00:41:33.555
Yeah.

00:41:33.735 --> 00:41:36.555
So you're, you know, I've talked
to some people and they said, Ah,

00:41:36.705 --> 00:41:38.115
man, there's so many deer there.

00:41:38.145 --> 00:41:39.285
It just makes more sense.

00:41:39.285 --> 00:41:42.015
There's a guy on the island for
50 bucks, he'll dress 'em all out.

00:41:42.015 --> 00:41:43.485
Take care of your tear all for you.

00:41:43.605 --> 00:41:43.965
Oh, yeah.

00:41:44.235 --> 00:41:48.195
Um, that way you're back if you're
on a limited timeframe here.

00:41:48.315 --> 00:41:48.525
Yeah.

00:41:48.525 --> 00:41:49.905
And you're back out hunting again.

00:41:49.965 --> 00:41:50.285
Yeah.

00:41:50.290 --> 00:41:50.415
Yeah.

00:41:50.445 --> 00:41:51.165
But I take it you guys

00:41:51.165 --> 00:41:52.125
took care of it all yourself.

00:41:52.155 --> 00:41:54.615
Yeah, we, I do everything, you know.

00:41:54.665 --> 00:41:56.705
From the field to the table.

00:41:56.765 --> 00:41:56.825
Yeah.

00:41:56.975 --> 00:42:01.175
Um, all my butchering, wrapping,
everything happens here.

00:42:01.235 --> 00:42:04.355
So yeah, I just like being,
I like the whole process.

00:42:04.384 --> 00:42:04.685
I agree.

00:42:04.685 --> 00:42:07.895
You know, when I'm out with my
dad and my brother hunting or

00:42:07.895 --> 00:42:10.835
someone else, I'm usually the guy
doing the most of the cutting.

00:42:11.130 --> 00:42:12.540
Because I just really enjoy it.

00:42:12.540 --> 00:42:13.650
I think it's really interesting.

00:42:13.680 --> 00:42:16.890
And oddly from an artist's perspective,
it's also very educational.

00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:18.840
Um, Oh, it's interesting.

00:42:18.840 --> 00:42:19.470
Like DaVinci.

00:42:19.590 --> 00:42:19.980
Yeah.

00:42:19.985 --> 00:42:22.980
So you're kind of like seeing the
way all the muscles connect and

00:42:22.980 --> 00:42:26.670
you know, the way, you know, things
move around and Yeah, exactly.

00:42:26.670 --> 00:42:29.940
So it's kind of like you're breaking this
thing apart and I, I am definitely taking

00:42:29.940 --> 00:42:33.000
mental notes of like, Hey, you know, maybe
I've been drawing that wrong, You know,

00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:36.420
now that I peel the skin off, this does
move different than I've been drawing it.

00:42:37.100 --> 00:42:37.520
Stuff like that.

00:42:37.520 --> 00:42:40.850
So I don't think about that all the time,
but definitely I'll just kinda like happen

00:42:40.850 --> 00:42:43.880
upon something and be like, Oh yeah,
you know, like, that's kind of cool.

00:42:44.030 --> 00:42:49.550
But yeah, you see DaVinci's, uh, diagrams
that is of like, just like insane.

00:42:49.670 --> 00:42:51.060
Yeah, that was, that was pretty.

00:42:51.630 --> 00:42:52.650
Standard protocol.

00:42:52.650 --> 00:42:55.470
I mean, that's how you used to
learn how to draw people, you know?

00:42:55.620 --> 00:42:56.100
Oh, was, did they?

00:42:56.190 --> 00:42:56.400
Yeah.

00:42:56.400 --> 00:43:00.480
You'd get cadavers and you, there would
be whole teams of artists that would

00:43:00.485 --> 00:43:02.700
gather around in Renaissance Times too.

00:43:03.060 --> 00:43:05.970
And like there's painting, Rembrandt
has paintings of it happening.

00:43:06.210 --> 00:43:07.500
You know, you'd paint the whole crew.

00:43:07.505 --> 00:43:10.290
There would be a big group of
artists and a couple doctors, and

00:43:10.290 --> 00:43:11.670
they'd, you know, take someone.

00:43:12.060 --> 00:43:13.020
Good Dutch artist.

00:43:13.110 --> 00:43:13.620
Yeah, that's right.

00:43:13.620 --> 00:43:14.460
Another good Dutch artist.

00:43:14.640 --> 00:43:15.060
Yeah.

00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:19.380
And so you kind of see that, you know,
that's, that's a way of understanding

00:43:19.380 --> 00:43:21.480
your subject matter, but very cool.

00:43:21.509 --> 00:43:21.779
Yeah.

00:43:22.080 --> 00:43:22.200
Well,

00:43:22.205 --> 00:43:25.230
is there anything else you should
be talking about before we look

00:43:25.230 --> 00:43:26.190
at wrapping things up here?

00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:27.720
Yeah, I don't know.

00:43:27.720 --> 00:43:32.505
I don't think there's anything
really in particular, um, Yeah, no.

00:43:33.045 --> 00:43:33.495
Awesome.

00:43:34.215 --> 00:43:37.755
Well, uh, when your website's back
up, we'll make sure we'll have links

00:43:37.755 --> 00:43:39.075
over to that so people can see it.

00:43:39.075 --> 00:43:41.385
We will have links to your social
media, so they sounds great.

00:43:41.415 --> 00:43:43.035
They can follow everything along there.

00:43:43.425 --> 00:43:44.325
They can reach out to you.

00:43:44.505 --> 00:43:44.805
Yep.

00:43:45.045 --> 00:43:47.865
And, uh, they're gonna see some
of your work on the Silvercore

00:43:47.955 --> 00:43:49.785
site in not too distant future

00:43:49.790 --> 00:43:50.175
as well.

00:43:50.235 --> 00:43:50.775
Excellent.

00:43:50.955 --> 00:43:52.185
Yeah, that was a fun project.

00:43:52.215 --> 00:43:55.365
Um, kind of a unique challenge
of like, Hey, take on these

00:43:55.365 --> 00:43:56.745
things and Yeah, no really.

00:43:57.185 --> 00:43:57.365
Yeah.

00:43:57.605 --> 00:43:57.965
Awesome.

00:43:57.995 --> 00:43:58.145
Yeah.

00:43:58.595 --> 00:44:00.745
Casey, thank you very much
for being on the Silvercore

00:44:00.785 --> 00:44:01.275
Podcast.

00:44:01.295 --> 00:44:02.225
Oh, it's been really good.