1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,580 -Hi. I'm Michael Dyrynda. -And I am Jake Bennett with a mystery 2 00:00:04,580 --> 00:00:05,590 device. 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:12,780 And welcome to episode 181 of the North Meet South Web Podcast. 4 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,600 Did the music play? I didn't hear it. I'm sure it'll be in the recording. 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,440 -It'll be fine. -It'll be fine. Hey, I have a mystery 6 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,040 device in my hands right here. 7 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:25,619 -It could be- -Who knows where it is? 8 00:00:25,620 --> 00:00:26,959 -It could be muted. -It'll be in the recording. 9 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:27,680 -If- -It'll be around. 10 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,720 It'll be in the recording. If if you are watching the YouTubes, 11 00:00:31,620 --> 00:00:33,860 I would be curious if you can guess what this is. 12 00:00:34,500 --> 00:00:39,1000 -So take a look. Michael, any ideas? -Well, yeah. I looked at that, and I 13 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:41,340 thought, is it, like, a 14 00:00:42,140 --> 00:00:46,640 a temperature probe? And then I thought maybe it's a timer, but it looks like, uh, 15 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:50,910 that little half circle thing would... Do we call it a compass? Was it a compass? 16 00:00:50,910 --> 00:00:51,650 -Um... -It's not a compass. 17 00:00:51,650 --> 00:00:57,060 -Protractor. Protractor. Is that the word? -Oh, close, sort of. Like- 18 00:00:57,060 --> 00:01:00,080 I don't know. You're the math teacher. You you tell me. 19 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:04,599 It's it is a digital angle finder. 20 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,370 -So it is, um... -Yeah. So it's a protractor. 21 00:01:08,370 --> 00:01:09,259 What you do is 22 00:01:09,260 --> 00:01:14,420 yeah. Sure. Sure. What you do is it's magnetic. I am doing baseboards in my 23 00:01:14,420 --> 00:01:16,400 -basement again. -Right. 24 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:20,540 Not again. I'm doing baseboards again in my base yes. Now I'm doing it in my 25 00:01:20,540 --> 00:01:25,560 basement. Um, and, uh, and so what I needed is, I I realized that when I'm 26 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:29,660 cutting the 45s on my baseboards, they're not lining up correctly. Like, they just 27 00:01:29,660 --> 00:01:33,670 don't like, the the angle is is off a little bit on my saw. I've had it for- 28 00:01:33,670 --> 00:01:37,160 -So they're 45 ish. -I've had it for yes. Exactly. I've had it 29 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:41,980 for years. Right? And so in all the times I've moved it, I'm sure some screw got 30 00:01:41,980 --> 00:01:46,240 knocked loose, whatever. So Mhmm. It's not exactly it's not what what it is is the 31 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:52,060 blade is not exactly at a 90 degree angle with the with the actual table, right, of 32 00:01:52,060 --> 00:01:58,740 the of the saw. And so, um, I've tried to sort of level it up, like, with, like, 33 00:01:58,740 --> 00:02:01,590 just, like, a a square, like, a speed square to, like, put that on the table and 34 00:02:01,590 --> 00:02:05,220 then, like, put that on the saw. It doesn't work very well. So I I I have to I 35 00:02:05,220 --> 00:02:09,340 figured out, like, how do you do this, and people suggest these. So you put this 36 00:02:09,340 --> 00:02:13,020 on the thing, and you zero it out. And so, like, you put this on the table, you zero 37 00:02:13,020 --> 00:02:16,180 it out, and then you put it on the blade, and you make sure that it's at 90 38 00:02:16,180 --> 00:02:19,020 degrees. And if it isn't at 90 degrees, you adjust it until it is at 90 degrees 39 00:02:19,020 --> 00:02:21,859 precisely, and then you're good to go. Now it's funny because it's, like, something 40 00:02:21,860 --> 00:02:25,840 you only probably have to do once, and the tool is, like, 30 bucks. So I use it one 41 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:30,600 time, but it's, like, it saves me so much time. It's, like, kinda worth it because 42 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:34,400 now I can make sure that the angles are correct. Anyway, I went out and got this 43 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:35,760 about 15 minutes ago. So 44 00:02:36,780 --> 00:02:38,860 -I see. -Now I have it. If anybody needs to borrow 45 00:02:38,860 --> 00:02:39,520 -one -And now you're gonna be running a table 46 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,020 saw at, uh, 10 o'clock at night. Is that right? 47 00:02:42,020 --> 00:02:45,340 Well, I you know, I'm probably gonna leave that for tomorrow. My kids are sleeping 48 00:02:45,340 --> 00:02:49,380 now, so I don't I don't wanna, you know, don't wanna wake them up. But, uh, anyway, 49 00:02:49,380 --> 00:02:52,989 yes, I have it now. I'm excited about it. Michael, we've got so much stuff we could 50 00:02:52,989 --> 00:02:59,520 talk about. Um, I threw you a a list of things that I could talk about, but I 51 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,500 don't know. Let's talk about let's talk about you first, shall we? What's what's 52 00:03:02,500 --> 00:03:04,620 going on in in your life, in your big world? 53 00:03:06,020 --> 00:03:07,440 Uh, well, uh, 54 00:03:08,060 --> 00:03:12,420 over the the last two weeks since we last spoke, I have discovered that 55 00:03:13,020 --> 00:03:16,140 Eli, my 7 year old, is 56 00:03:16,920 --> 00:03:21,140 something... He's developing into, like, this soccer terrorist 57 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:27,799 and in the best possible way. Right? In the best possible way. He... In the last 58 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,960 two weeks, he's just, like, all of a sudden become very aggressive in attack. 59 00:03:32,620 --> 00:03:35,900 -Love that. -Before he before he kind of sat back and 60 00:03:35,900 --> 00:03:41,420 he watched the play developed, and he was quite content with being a defender. But 61 00:03:41,420 --> 00:03:45,859 he has whatever whatever it is, the switch is flicked where he has decided now that 62 00:03:45,860 --> 00:03:49,840 he just wants to attack, and he wants to be involved in the play, and he wants to 63 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:49,900 be 64 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,780 in the forward. So I sent some videos to the cash money over the past 3. 65 00:03:54,780 --> 00:03:56,540 -I saw it. Yeah. -So he's kicked 3 goals in the last 2 66 00:03:56,540 --> 00:03:59,420 -weeks. -That's awesome. 67 00:03:59,420 --> 00:04:00,920 He he, um, he 68 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,780 -nailed this poor goalie two weeks ago. -Oh, no. 69 00:04:04,780 --> 00:04:10,840 Like, absolutely squared him up in the, uh, the nether regions and the poor, poor 70 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,480 child probably saw God briefly, um, 71 00:04:15,660 --> 00:04:17,920 -in that moment. So -Oh, lord. 72 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,099 I I look. I I, you know, he 73 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,460 very sportsmanlike after the game. I sent him over to make sure that, like, the 74 00:04:24,460 --> 00:04:26,510 -child is okay. -Yeah. Of course. Yeah. Of course. Right. 75 00:04:26,510 --> 00:04:31,020 Because, like, you're not gonna stop and apologize mid game. These things happen. 76 00:04:31,020 --> 00:04:33,620 Um, you know, there's no malice in it, especially at that age where they don't 77 00:04:33,620 --> 00:04:38,360 really have the control. It's kind of see ball, get ball. I wanna kick goals. 78 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,060 -Yeah. Yeah. -I wanna kick it as hard as I can. So 79 00:04:40,060 --> 00:04:42,540 -Totally. Yeah. -You know, make sure that this child did 80 00:04:42,540 --> 00:04:45,170 -not wanna speak to Eli whatsoever. -No way. 81 00:04:45,170 --> 00:04:48,740 Which understandably he should not. He was yeah. So 82 00:04:48,740 --> 00:04:51,280 -Oh, man. That's funny. -But, um, yeah. It's just fun watching him 83 00:04:51,280 --> 00:04:57,340 develop and the speed that he has with the ball and the control. Just to, like, take 84 00:04:57,340 --> 00:05:01,960 control of the ball at the halfway line, break past three defenders, and streak 85 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:06,900 into a one on one with the goalie is just... And this is and this was, like 86 00:05:06,900 --> 00:05:09,330 -Proud dad moment. -This weekend against yeah. It was 87 00:05:10,140 --> 00:05:14,960 this was against the team that the last time they played, Eli's team lost 4:1. 88 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:16,960 -Oh, wow. Yeah. -And this time they managed to walk away. 89 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,520 He was the only goal scorer and so they won 1:0, but he was he was pretty happy 90 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:24,500 about that. And which was a good recovery because he got, like, kicked in the in the 91 00:05:24,500 --> 00:05:29,240 ankle in the first half, um, by accident. And so to to get up and and come back in 92 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,900 the second half and and kick the only goal of the match was just 93 00:05:32,620 --> 00:05:35,820 it's, um... I was talking to a a friend earlier, and I said to them 94 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:41,520 I had never envisaged myself as being a soccer dad. Like, I think I've spoken on 95 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:45,500 the podcast before that I've never never been involved in soccer, never had any 96 00:05:45,500 --> 00:05:49,520 personal interest in it, never watched it, you know, don't understand any of the 97 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,760 rules. But to see him have such a, 98 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,1000 um, a passion for it, and he's always talking about players, and he's asking, 99 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,980 like, "Who's the best player?" I'm like, "Man, I don't even know half the names 100 00:06:00,980 --> 00:06:04,1000 that you're throwing out at me." Fortunately, it's like Messi, Ronaldo, or 101 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:11,070 Mbappe. And so he's he's a big Mbappe fan at the moment. But, uhHe's just, yeah, 102 00:06:11,070 --> 00:06:16,110 it's- it's- it's really cool as a, as a dad to see that, like, he has picked, like 103 00:06:16,110 --> 00:06:18,030 -he's picked something- -Yeah. Yeah 104 00:06:18,030 --> 00:06:20,460 -...completely uninfluenced by me. -How- how old is he now? Is he eight? 105 00:06:20,460 --> 00:06:22,350 -He's seven. He's seven. -Seven? Okay. 106 00:06:22,350 --> 00:06:26,510 Yeah. So, you know, obviously with me having nothing to do with soccer ever, for 107 00:06:26,510 --> 00:06:31,010 him to, to be completely uninfluenced by me to f- find something that he's 108 00:06:31,010 --> 00:06:35,750 passionate about. And, like, at school it, th- they're very much either basketball 109 00:06:35,750 --> 00:06:40,030 or soccer at, at his school. And so he's picked soccer because that's the first 110 00:06:40,030 --> 00:06:44,450 sport that he has access to, um, at school. Basketball doesn't start until 111 00:06:44,450 --> 00:06:47,850 second grade. So, yeah, the fact that he's just picked that up and he's running with 112 00:06:47,850 --> 00:06:52,439 -it is, is really cool as a dad to see. -That is. It is, it's neat as, like, you 113 00:06:52,439 --> 00:06:55,090 watch your kids become their own little people. 114 00:06:55,090 --> 00:06:56,870 -Mm-hmm. -Like you said specifically, like, when 115 00:06:56,870 --> 00:07:01,350 there's a decision that they've made that was not prompted by or directed by you, 116 00:07:01,350 --> 00:07:02,510 -that's just so cool. -Yeah. 117 00:07:02,510 --> 00:07:04,750 And I remember for Graham, it was probably around that age, he started getting 118 00:07:04,750 --> 00:07:07,170 really interested in basketball. It was probably... Actually, I- I take that back. 119 00:07:07,170 --> 00:07:10,430 It was probably a little bit later than that. I- I'm sure it was later than that. 120 00:07:10,430 --> 00:07:10,630 But 121 00:07:11,270 --> 00:07:14,770 when he started, like, watching NBA Highlights and things like that, you know, 122 00:07:14,770 --> 00:07:15,770 -and he would know- -Yeah 123 00:07:15,770 --> 00:07:18,689 ...all the names and he would know who played last night and the scores, and he 124 00:07:18,690 --> 00:07:20,550 knew all that stuff. And it's just like, I don't know- 125 00:07:20,550 --> 00:07:22,620 -Yeah -...any of that stuff. And it is- 126 00:07:22,620 --> 00:07:25,410 -Yeah -...just so cool. Um, so cool to see kids 127 00:07:25,410 --> 00:07:27,780 -kind of, you know, developing their own- -Into their own 128 00:07:27,780 --> 00:07:31,390 ...little worlds. Yeah, yeah, it's so cool. Uh, at that age, it's funny with 129 00:07:31,390 --> 00:07:36,650 soccer, like, aggression, uh, makes up for so much skill. Like- 130 00:07:36,650 --> 00:07:39,440 -Mm-hmm. -Just, not that it's not- 131 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:40,570 -If he could just get there first. -Not to say... Correct. Not to say that, 132 00:07:40,570 --> 00:07:43,070 like, he's not skilled. That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying- 133 00:07:43,070 --> 00:07:44,550 -Yeah -...the kids that are the most aggressive 134 00:07:45,570 --> 00:07:48,490 are often gonna be the ones who are gonna, you know, gonna have the ball- 135 00:07:48,490 --> 00:07:49,530 -Yeah -...and who are gonna make the goals. And 136 00:07:49,530 --> 00:07:54,350 so that's- that's awesome. And as he, as he kind of, you know, continues to grow, 137 00:07:54,350 --> 00:07:57,850 I'm sure he'll- he'll be really, really good. But, you know, at this age, you're 138 00:07:57,850 --> 00:08:01,610 right, it is just about kind of getting in there and getting at the ball and 139 00:08:02,410 --> 00:08:05,490 putting a foot on the ball. The goalie is not, you know, if you can get the ball 140 00:08:05,490 --> 00:08:08,710 anywhere, uh, other than exactly where the goalie's at, there's a good chance it's 141 00:08:08,710 --> 00:08:10,440 -going in. And so- -Yeah 142 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,510 ...that's- that's super fun though, and it's just great for their confidence. 143 00:08:13,510 --> 00:08:16,060 Like, "I'm good at something. I found something I like." 144 00:08:16,060 --> 00:08:16,550 -Yeah. -Like- 145 00:08:16,550 --> 00:08:18,489 -Yeah -...that's so cool. So good for him, man. 146 00:08:18,490 --> 00:08:22,470 -That's awesome. That's exciting. -Yeah. Yeah, he's a .... My- my brother 147 00:08:22,470 --> 00:08:27,270 came over on a, on the weekend and Eli's like, "Can we kick the ball around?" I'm 148 00:08:27,270 --> 00:08:30,890 like, "No worries." Anyway, my poor brother ended up on the ground twice 149 00:08:30,890 --> 00:08:32,789 -because he got kicked in the- -Ha 150 00:08:32,789 --> 00:08:33,950 ...in the neathers, so. 151 00:08:35,730 --> 00:08:38,140 -Oh, that's hilarious. I am- -You need to go home. 152 00:08:38,140 --> 00:08:42,690 I'm gonna use, I'm gonna use the word loosely here. I'm coaching Harrison's 153 00:08:42,690 --> 00:08:44,810 -soccer team right now, um- -Uh-huh. Uh-huh 154 00:08:44,810 --> 00:08:48,150 ...you know, which means basically show up and hand out snacks. Um- 155 00:08:48,150 --> 00:08:50,830 -Mm-hmm. -But, uh, I had an opportunity to do so 156 00:08:50,830 --> 00:08:54,170 this last week. I- I was subbing. I was, uh, I've- I've been kind of helped with 157 00:08:54,170 --> 00:08:56,300 crowd control a couple times, and then this last Saturday- 158 00:08:56,300 --> 00:08:58,130 -Yeah -...the- the coach was out, so I got to 159 00:08:58,130 --> 00:08:59,630 -coach. Um- -Mm-hmm. 160 00:08:59,630 --> 00:09:05,910 But, uh, Harrison has got a good leg and so I put him on the corner kick twice. And 161 00:09:05,910 --> 00:09:09,430 I told him, I said, "Just kick it as hard as you can into the middle. Just kick it 162 00:09:09,430 --> 00:09:13,130 as hard as you can." And some unfortunate kid, two different kids at two different 163 00:09:13,130 --> 00:09:16,550 times, stepped in front of him. I'm like... And they got it right in the face 164 00:09:16,550 --> 00:09:17,959 -twice, two kids. I'm like, "Dude-" -Yeah. 165 00:09:17,959 --> 00:09:20,150 "...I felt terrible." But it's like, you're gonna stand right in front of the 166 00:09:20,150 --> 00:09:20,370 -ball. -Yeah. 167 00:09:20,370 --> 00:09:22,490 Like, I don't know what to tell you. Like, he's gonna kick the ball- 168 00:09:23,370 --> 00:09:26,899 Eli is... Eli is definitely very much a stickler for the rules, so he's- 169 00:09:26,899 --> 00:09:28,470 -Oh, okay. Okay -...been hit in the face a couple of times 170 00:09:28,470 --> 00:09:31,670 because he refuses to put his hands up to protect his face. And I said- 171 00:09:31,670 --> 00:09:33,890 -Oh, yeah -..."Look, I get it. I get that that would 172 00:09:33,890 --> 00:09:38,730 be a- a- a penalty and it would be a handball, but do you wanna give away the 173 00:09:38,730 --> 00:09:42,080 penalty or do you wanna get hit in the face with a ball? These are your options." 174 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:42,130 That's hilarious. 175 00:09:42,130 --> 00:09:44,630 I said, "You could just duck. Like, get out of the way. Don't stand there and 176 00:09:44,630 --> 00:09:47,410 -watch the ball hit you." -Nope. He's too hardcore. He's too 177 00:09:47,410 --> 00:09:49,990 -hardcore. He's like his dad. -Because the amount of times, like, we- we 178 00:09:49,990 --> 00:09:55,130 went to the- the pitch where they- they play to have a kick around a while ago, 179 00:09:55,130 --> 00:09:56,830 -and I kicked- -I'm listening. I'm gonna go grab a soda 180 00:09:56,830 --> 00:10:01,110 -while you talk. I'll be right back. -All right. I kicked from the halfway line 181 00:10:01,110 --> 00:10:05,190 at goal, and he was in the goal. And I watched this ball sail for, you know, 182 00:10:05,190 --> 00:10:11,030 three seconds in the air on a full-sized pitch towards him. And I'm like, "He'll 183 00:10:11,030 --> 00:10:15,690 catch that. He'll catch that. He's gonna get out of the way. He'll totally..." And 184 00:10:15,690 --> 00:10:20,590 then he got hit right in the stomach, and then he had a, he had it, he had the gall 185 00:10:20,590 --> 00:10:24,470 to have a crack at me because I kicked the ball at his stomach. I'm like, "Mate, you 186 00:10:24,470 --> 00:10:27,230 had an eternity to do literally anything 187 00:10:27,850 --> 00:10:31,130 to get out of that ball's way, and you chose instead 188 00:10:31,890 --> 00:10:34,500 -to get hit in the stomach." -Oh, that's hilarious. 189 00:10:34,500 --> 00:10:37,250 -So I- I don't know what to do for you. -Oh, that's so funny. 190 00:10:37,250 --> 00:10:38,980 -But, um, he's definitely getting- -I love it, man. You should- 191 00:10:38,980 --> 00:10:39,819 -...more resilient to the- -Yeah 192 00:10:39,819 --> 00:10:42,950 ...the knocks and the bumps and the hits of- of the sport. I said, "It's- it's 193 00:10:42,950 --> 00:10:46,270 gonna happen in the sport. People are gonna run into you. You're gonna, you're 194 00:10:46,270 --> 00:10:49,060 -gonna..." Especially at this age- -Good for him. Yeah, that's good for him 195 00:10:49,060 --> 00:10:51,010 ...you're gonna not be looking where you're going and you're gonna bump heads 196 00:10:51,010 --> 00:10:51,880 -and things like that. -Yep. 197 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:54,700 And it's, you know, you gotta persist with it. 198 00:10:54,700 --> 00:10:56,569 -Get tough. -And you will just learn to get awareness 199 00:10:56,570 --> 00:11:00,250 -for the game over time. -Yep. Yep. No, that's awesome, man. That's 200 00:11:00,250 --> 00:11:05,710 super fun. Yeah, it's, uh, it's about that time of year for you guys. And for us, 201 00:11:05,710 --> 00:11:07,970 it's, like, perfect sports season, you know? It's like- 202 00:11:07,970 --> 00:11:09,720 -Mm-hmm. -It's, uh, the weather's just the right 203 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:11,100 -temperature. It's not super hot- -Just turning 204 00:11:11,100 --> 00:11:12,200 -...it's not super cold yet. -Yeah. 205 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,670 Yeah, exactly. It's just that perfect time of year for these sort of sports. So 206 00:11:14,670 --> 00:11:16,130 -it's- it's really fun. -And even just standing there, like, you 207 00:11:16,130 --> 00:11:20,630 know, 18 degrees Celsius on the weekend and it was, like, warm just standing 208 00:11:20,630 --> 00:11:20,990 -there. -Yeah. 209 00:11:20,990 --> 00:11:24,650 But the days are getting longer. It's supposed to rain for the rest of this 210 00:11:24,650 --> 00:11:26,900 week, but the sun is beaming down at the moment, so- 211 00:11:27,710 --> 00:11:29,650 -Jealous -...it's- it's certainly getting closer. 212 00:11:29,650 --> 00:11:32,930 Which- which makes me panic a little bit, because it makes me realize that as it 213 00:11:32,930 --> 00:11:36,850 gets warmer, it means we're getting closer to Larak on AU, which makes me think, 214 00:11:36,850 --> 00:11:39,710 "Well, there's probably some things that we should be getting underway now." So 215 00:11:39,710 --> 00:11:43,550 we're gonna put the schedule out for that soon as well to transition to another 216 00:11:43,550 --> 00:11:48,509 topic, I suppose. We'll put the, um... Which we've done in- in the past. We- we 217 00:11:48,510 --> 00:11:51,569 announce all of the speakers, and then once the speakers are announced, we then 218 00:11:51,570 --> 00:11:53,890 put the, all the talk titles up on the schedule. 219 00:11:53,890 --> 00:11:55,350 -Yep, yep. -So that everyone knows, like, "Okay, well, 220 00:11:55,350 --> 00:11:58,770 if you've been on the fence about coming for whatever reason, now you can see what 221 00:11:58,770 --> 00:12:01,270 all of the topics are gonna be this year." And then we'll start putting out the 222 00:12:01,270 --> 00:12:05,590 speaker intro videos, which I've been editing. Um, you know, I said to the 223 00:12:05,590 --> 00:12:09,650 speakers, "I want this all by the end of July," and- and I've got seven, I think, 224 00:12:09,650 --> 00:12:10,470 out of 18 225 00:12:11,190 --> 00:12:15,190 speakers' intro videos. So, you know, chasing them is like herding cats 226 00:12:15,190 --> 00:12:16,890 -sometimes. -Yeah. Yeah. 227 00:12:17,521 --> 00:12:20,742 ... people, people have lives to get to. So it's just a gentle reminder. And it's 228 00:12:20,742 --> 00:12:25,901 not like I'm hassling them every day for the last, you know, 26 days. It's like, 229 00:12:25,901 --> 00:12:29,002 -"Hey, by the way, I would like-" -Yeah. It's like when you get a chance. 230 00:12:29,002 --> 00:12:29,931 -Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. -"... would you mind publishing these 231 00:12:29,931 --> 00:12:33,141 videos?" And it's, like, one a day, three times a week so, you know, we've got- 232 00:12:33,141 --> 00:12:34,822 -Sure -... a little bit of time up our sleeve 233 00:12:34,822 --> 00:12:39,202 with, with what I've got. But, um, yeah. We'll get those out soon. So get, you 234 00:12:39,202 --> 00:12:42,931 know, people will get a chance to, to meet the speakers. We're doing Road to Laricon 235 00:12:42,931 --> 00:12:44,161 -again. -I love that. I always think that's so fun. 236 00:12:44,161 --> 00:12:46,521 -Yeah. -Yeah. Doing, um, 237 00:12:47,281 --> 00:12:52,801 Road to Laricon again, so we'll do the, the, you know, 10-minute short form music 238 00:12:52,801 --> 00:12:56,781 podcast with the speakers where we talk to them about that kinda stuff. So I'm 239 00:12:56,821 --> 00:13:01,102 recording those at the moment and getting them ready, and we'll, we'll put those out 240 00:13:01,901 --> 00:13:05,582 sort of in October as a, as a lead-up to the conference. So, like, here's the 241 00:13:05,582 --> 00:13:07,742 playlist, you can listen to it on the plane if you want, or you can listen to 242 00:13:07,742 --> 00:13:12,641 the podcast on your flights into, into Brisbane. So that's happening. We're, 243 00:13:12,641 --> 00:13:17,222 we're getting into the, the thick of it now in terms of putting in our orders for 244 00:13:17,222 --> 00:13:21,602 merch and all of that kinda stuff, so. And we're starting to ramp up some of our 245 00:13:21,602 --> 00:13:24,061 marketing stuff, so those of you who 246 00:13:25,002 --> 00:13:29,141 have... I, I think people are kind of overtly aware, like they've seen it around 247 00:13:29,141 --> 00:13:33,582 the place but they haven't thought much about it. I was talking to Ashley Hindle 248 00:13:33,582 --> 00:13:38,801 yesterday about some Boost stuff, and we were talking about, you know, how, um, 249 00:13:38,801 --> 00:13:44,521 trying to get GPT to generate images can sometimes be a bit hit-and-miss. Like, I 250 00:13:44,521 --> 00:13:49,281 gave it a photo of me and a photo of someone else, and we wanted to, um, 251 00:13:49,281 --> 00:13:53,722 create, like, a cartoon version of it. And so, you know, the first version was, 252 00:13:53,722 --> 00:13:56,722 like, close but it gave me purple eyebrows. I'm like, okay- 253 00:13:56,722 --> 00:13:58,421 -Oh, fair enough. Okay -... oh, and then, like, a full, full 254 00:13:58,421 --> 00:13:59,071 -beard. -Nice. 255 00:13:59,071 --> 00:14:03,982 And I was like, okay, I can't grow facial hair so let's dial that back to stubble, 256 00:14:03,982 --> 00:14:07,602 you know, this, this patch- patchwork quilt I've got on my face, and make my 257 00:14:07,602 --> 00:14:12,661 eyebrows closer to the color of my beard. Like, it got the, it got the beard color 258 00:14:12,661 --> 00:14:16,742 right, i- but eyebrows... So, okay, no worries. So it did that, and then it, 259 00:14:16,742 --> 00:14:20,112 like, completely removed the facial hair, but it got the eyebrows right. I said, 260 00:14:20,112 --> 00:14:23,291 "Okay, cool. The eyebrows are right. Now let's bring the stubble back." And it went 261 00:14:23,291 --> 00:14:27,061 back to a full beard. And so it's just , you know, theoretically, it's supposed to 262 00:14:27,061 --> 00:14:32,401 have the context to be able to do this, and then... Okay, let's fix that. So it 263 00:14:32,401 --> 00:14:35,622 fixed the beard and it fixed the eyebrows, but then it completely changed the style 264 00:14:35,622 --> 00:14:36,561 -of the image. -Oh. 265 00:14:36,561 --> 00:14:40,581 It went from, like, a cartoon illustration to, like, this neon vogue, like, bright 266 00:14:40,581 --> 00:14:44,781 pinks and blacks and s- I'm like, no, let's go back, and then, then it changed 267 00:14:44,781 --> 00:14:47,612 my hair. I was like, no, don't do that with the hair, like, let's get back there. 268 00:14:47,612 --> 00:14:53,122 And eventually, you know, uh, three rainforests and a couple of, uh, species 269 00:14:53,122 --> 00:14:57,281 later, all, all wiped ou- out of existence, uh, we finally got, like, a 270 00:14:57,281 --> 00:14:58,962 passable image, so. 271 00:14:59,942 --> 00:15:01,852 -And that's why- -But, uh, you know, Ashley, Ashley said- 272 00:15:01,852 --> 00:15:02,942 ... sometimes it's easiest to hire somebody off Fiverr, but- 273 00:15:02,942 --> 00:15:07,982 Right. Yeah, that's right. So Ashley's like, you know, it's, um, it's, it's 274 00:15:07,982 --> 00:15:10,722 interesting. Like, some people can do really good work with it, and other times 275 00:15:10,722 --> 00:15:14,321 it's, like, really hit-and-miss. And I said, you know, yeah, just like, like 276 00:15:14,321 --> 00:15:16,161 -Bruce, he's got his own social media now- -Oh, yeah 277 00:15:16,161 --> 00:15:20,252 ... he's having a great time, like, and he's like, "Yeah, people at, um, Laravel 278 00:15:20,252 --> 00:15:23,521 Live Denmark were talking about it, but I hadn't, hadn't seen it yet." So he's, 279 00:15:23,521 --> 00:15:29,141 like, definitely present. We're gonna use him to do, um, some of our sponsor 280 00:15:29,141 --> 00:15:33,242 promotion in the coming weeks as well, so he'll be, like, sending out his own little 281 00:15:33,242 --> 00:15:36,461 social media videos. This is all being managed by Nuclear, so it's- 282 00:15:36,462 --> 00:15:39,242 -Love that -... it's a lot of fun for me as well as, 283 00:15:39,242 --> 00:15:43,781 as, like, an observer of it happening, because whilst I'm sort of aware 284 00:15:44,702 --> 00:15:48,041 of, you know, the content that is in the pipe and the stuff that... Like, I don't 285 00:15:48,041 --> 00:15:53,222 see the videos or the images that get generated ahead of time. So it's always 286 00:15:53,222 --> 00:15:58,430 fun when I see Bruce pop up in the timeline as a, as a, as his own little- 287 00:15:58,430 --> 00:15:58,771 -That is- -... entity there. 288 00:15:58,771 --> 00:16:01,271 It's like a fun little surprise. Yeah. Absolutely. 289 00:16:01,271 --> 00:16:01,842 -Yeah, it's like, "Ooh. Oh, that's right." -That's pretty cool. 290 00:16:01,842 --> 00:16:03,211 -Today he's posting. -Since you're not the one directly managing 291 00:16:03,211 --> 00:16:06,342 it, yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that. Yeah, they look good. The videos look really 292 00:16:06,342 --> 00:16:10,092 good. I started following them when we were at Laracon US together, and it's- 293 00:16:10,092 --> 00:16:11,502 -Yeah -... really well done. Really, really good 294 00:16:11,502 --> 00:16:13,132 -stuff, so. -Yeah, there's- 295 00:16:13,132 --> 00:16:14,622 -Um- -... there's a few, like, combinations of 296 00:16:14,622 --> 00:16:19,081 things going on there, they're, you know, combining image generation with video 297 00:16:19,081 --> 00:16:22,942 generation with, like, you know, really finely tuning the, the prompts and things 298 00:16:22,942 --> 00:16:26,421 like that. So we've got that going out, we've got other stuff going out. Tickets 299 00:16:26,421 --> 00:16:31,161 are, tickets are moving along as well. We're, um, the quiz night is almost at 300 00:16:31,161 --> 00:16:33,581 capacity, which is really exciting, 'cause it was, you know- 301 00:16:33,581 --> 00:16:38,002 -What's that? What is that? -So, like, Mostly Technical had the, the 302 00:16:38,002 --> 00:16:40,901 -day zero party before Laracon US. We- -Yeah. 303 00:16:40,901 --> 00:16:44,742 Last year, we just did, like, we organized a space at a pub and we were like, "You 304 00:16:44,742 --> 00:16:47,661 know, if you wanna meet up, they've got food and drink specials, you can kind of 305 00:16:47,661 --> 00:16:52,762 just meet up there." And we had probably about 70 or 80 people filter in through 306 00:16:52,762 --> 00:16:56,722 the afternoon and the evening for that. So we thought this year, we would try and 307 00:16:56,722 --> 00:17:02,081 structure it a little bit more than just, like, turn up at the pub. It's now, you 308 00:17:02,081 --> 00:17:06,041 know, for attend- It's, it's free for attendees to go, um, but they need to get 309 00:17:06,041 --> 00:17:07,981 a ticket because we've got limited space in the venue. 310 00:17:07,982 --> 00:17:11,581 -Yeah. -So we're, we're hiring in, like, a proper 311 00:17:11,581 --> 00:17:15,521 quizmaster that's gonna come in and, and do all the questions. There'll be AV, 312 00:17:15,521 --> 00:17:18,402 there'll be some prizes, there'll be, you know, the food and drink specials will be 313 00:17:18,402 --> 00:17:22,121 there as well. So people will have the opportunity to, like, reconnect with 314 00:17:22,121 --> 00:17:25,301 friends, or if you, if you're coming for the first time, you'll be able to put 315 00:17:25,301 --> 00:17:31,141 together a team on the night. And, um, yeah. Just, just something to do that's, 316 00:17:31,141 --> 00:17:34,802 like, you know, people will start coming in the night before the conference, or the 317 00:17:34,802 --> 00:17:38,322 afternoon before the conference, so if they get there in time, just something to 318 00:17:38,322 --> 00:17:38,962 do. So 319 00:17:39,641 --> 00:17:42,002 -yeah, I'm keen to- -Are they technical questions? 320 00:17:42,002 --> 00:17:45,242 -See how it plays out this year. -Like, technical quiz stuff, or? 321 00:17:45,242 --> 00:17:47,351 No, no, it's not, like, not a Laravel thing, it'd be like a general knowledge- 322 00:17:47,351 --> 00:17:48,482 -Pop culture? -... we're gonna- 323 00:17:48,482 --> 00:17:50,472 -Yeah, okay. -Yeah, pop culture, we'll throw some, like, 324 00:17:50,472 --> 00:17:54,222 '90s stuff in there, 'cause we're, we're deep in the '90s for, for this year's 325 00:17:54,222 --> 00:17:58,502 event. And, um, yeah, looking, looking forward to how that plays out. We've, 326 00:17:58,502 --> 00:18:03,242 we've got some cool prizes in the pipe as well, though. My initial thought was let's 327 00:18:03,242 --> 00:18:06,542 get movie vouchers, but if you have people coming from overseas, it's hard to 328 00:18:06,542 --> 00:18:07,552 -give them a movie voucher- -Yeah, yeah, that's gonna be tough 329 00:18:07,552 --> 00:18:08,331 -... that they're not gonna use. -Yeah. 330 00:18:08,331 --> 00:18:09,802 -So it's like, okay, we need to- -Exactly 331 00:18:09,802 --> 00:18:13,091 -... come up with something. -You could get, like, a VHS of, like, a 332 00:18:13,091 --> 00:18:16,742 '90s movie and give that away, that'd be funny. Like, or if you had, like, a, a 333 00:18:16,742 --> 00:18:20,112 Sony Walkman with, like, a tape deck. Like, an actual tape? 334 00:18:20,112 --> 00:18:20,641 -Mm-hmm. -You know what I mean? Like- 335 00:18:20,641 --> 00:18:22,722 -Yeah. -Like, I had a guy that I know, he brought 336 00:18:22,722 --> 00:18:23,922 -in- -Mini disc players. 337 00:18:24,410 --> 00:18:28,489 Yeah, right. When he brought in, he brought in a Sonny Walkman with like a 338 00:18:28,490 --> 00:18:32,230 tape, a tape player. You know what I mean? Um, just the other day. He had two of 339 00:18:32,230 --> 00:18:34,540 them. I think he found them at like Goodwill or whatever. 340 00:18:34,540 --> 00:18:37,070 -Mm-hmm. -And, um, he's this dude I go to church 341 00:18:37,070 --> 00:18:40,350 with. He's, he's deaf and he's, like, always just on the hunt for something 342 00:18:40,350 --> 00:18:41,830 funny. He's just a really 343 00:18:42,750 --> 00:18:44,600 -unique guy, but he brings in the- -Yeah 344 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:48,580 ... the most crazy stuff, and always wants to show me this stuff. And so yeah. It's 345 00:18:48,580 --> 00:18:51,410 a couple different Sony Walkmans, and I was like, those are actually really cool. 346 00:18:51,410 --> 00:18:55,330 Like, if somebody had that as like a give wa- With, like, a tape of, like, a popular 347 00:18:55,330 --> 00:18:59,850 artist from that time, I would totally listen to that, take that home. That'd be 348 00:18:59,850 --> 00:19:02,550 super cool. Just kinda put it on your shelf of like, "Oh yeah, this is pretty 349 00:19:02,550 --> 00:19:05,690 -neat." Um... -Yeah, it's off the... I can't, I can't 350 00:19:05,690 --> 00:19:09,590 really see it. I've got the, the mis- the shelf of miscellany up here. 351 00:19:09,590 --> 00:19:13,230 -Yeah, yeah. -Which has got, like, my PHP Lambos up 352 00:19:13,230 --> 00:19:17,830 there. I've got, like, a singing cactus. I've got, I've got, uh... 353 00:19:17,830 --> 00:19:19,710 -Yeah. The PHP Elephants maybe? -This is fine dining all this kind of stuff 354 00:19:19,710 --> 00:19:22,260 up there. Yeah, the PHP Elephants are up on this side. 355 00:19:22,260 --> 00:19:24,390 -Yeah. -We, we can't actually see. Um, because- 356 00:19:24,390 --> 00:19:26,710 -Yeah -... I'm, I'm on to a second layer of PHP 357 00:19:26,710 --> 00:19:28,949 -Elephants. -I love that. I think I've got, like, 358 00:19:29,870 --> 00:19:34,790 seven or eight now, I think. So that's kinda fun. Um, speaking of cool technology 359 00:19:34,790 --> 00:19:39,450 and of conferences and of giveaways. So you were talking about how you guys are 360 00:19:39,450 --> 00:19:43,370 working on doing some giveaways and stuff and all that whatever. So we've got a 361 00:19:43,370 --> 00:19:47,070 conference that we're going to be presenting in as, like, a vendor, right, 362 00:19:47,070 --> 00:19:50,490 as a sponsor sort of deal, I guess you could call it, in late October, out in 363 00:19:50,490 --> 00:19:51,850 -California. -Mm-hmm. 364 00:19:51,850 --> 00:19:54,310 And we're always trying to find something that's, like, gonna be interesting for 365 00:19:54,310 --> 00:19:58,230 people to stop by and want to talk to us about or whatever, right? So we, like- 366 00:19:58,230 --> 00:19:59,790 -Yeah -... more than anything we wanna just be, 367 00:19:59,790 --> 00:20:02,930 like, a fun booth, right? Like, how can people kind of Just, what's something that 368 00:20:02,970 --> 00:20:04,060 could be interesting and fun? 369 00:20:04,870 --> 00:20:06,150 -Mm-hmm. -Just almost more than, like, "Hey, let's 370 00:20:06,150 --> 00:20:08,770 get a sales pitch." It's like, "Let's just have a good interaction." Like, people 371 00:20:08,770 --> 00:20:08,980 -like to- -Yeah 372 00:20:08,980 --> 00:20:10,640 ... work with people they like. You know what I mean? 373 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:10,920 -Yeah. -And so 374 00:20:11,810 --> 00:20:14,910 let's just have a conversation, like, "How's the conference going?" And do 375 00:20:14,910 --> 00:20:21,240 something fun, right? So we have this, uh, typing test that we're creating, which is 376 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:27,030 pretty cool. Um, if you've never seen Monkeytype, uh, I think that's the... 377 00:20:27,030 --> 00:20:30,800 It's, like, I think it's monkeytype.io or whatever. But it's, it's really cool. It's 378 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:35,750 a really simple typing test. And it's open source, and so you can run it on your 379 00:20:35,750 --> 00:20:39,199 own. You can modify it, of course, do all that stuff. But it's really, really good. 380 00:20:39,199 --> 00:20:43,450 And so we are going to fork that and use that as, like, our typing test on our 381 00:20:43,450 --> 00:20:49,510 little machine. Um, and we bought a iMac, like one of the yellow iMacs. You know how 382 00:20:49,510 --> 00:20:51,210 -they have the colored ones? -Yeah, yeah, yeah. 383 00:20:51,210 --> 00:20:54,340 Um, yeah. Not the old ones, but, like, the new ones that are just, like, the really, 384 00:20:54,340 --> 00:20:54,920 -really- -Yeah, the new ones. Yeah 385 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,630 ... thin pane. Yeah. They look gorgeous. And so we got a yellow one, 'cause our 386 00:20:58,630 --> 00:21:02,530 colors are black and yellow. And then we're getting a custom keyboard, so we're 387 00:21:02,530 --> 00:21:06,850 getting a Keychron. That's like a 50%. It's, like, only the three rows of keys, 388 00:21:06,850 --> 00:21:07,520 -right? It's like the- -Right. Okay 389 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:11,190 ... space bar and, like, you know, just the keys. And that's it. Like, there's 390 00:21:11,190 --> 00:21:16,069 nothing else on this thing. And then I'm gonna have Austin... Uh, what's his name? 391 00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:18,240 -Austin, Austin, Austin. -Oh yeah. 392 00:21:19,590 --> 00:21:22,190 -Austin... Is it Austin Cameron? -I'm looking for... Yeah, that's it. I 393 00:21:22,190 --> 00:21:26,430 think it's Austin Cameron. Yeah. Um, I'm gonna have him do a custom key cap 394 00:21:27,150 --> 00:21:27,810 -for me- -Mm-hmm 395 00:21:27,810 --> 00:21:31,130 ... for our, our logo, for Silver Connect. That's gonna be on the top left corner 396 00:21:31,130 --> 00:21:34,650 there. And then, uh, we're gonna have, like, a desk mat and stuff. Anyway, it's 397 00:21:34,650 --> 00:21:36,710 gonna be really fun. But the thing we're giving away 398 00:21:37,370 --> 00:21:41,410 is... Have you ever heard of, like, the Nothing Phone? 399 00:21:41,410 --> 00:21:43,780 -Yes. -Oh, it's so cool. 400 00:21:43,780 --> 00:21:43,950 -Yes. -So 401 00:21:44,810 --> 00:21:48,070 it's an Android-based phone. It's not like the simple phones where it's like it only 402 00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:49,650 -does two things. It's not that. -Yeah. 403 00:21:49,650 --> 00:21:53,890 It's called the Nothing Phone, but it's just the aesthetic of it is super cool. 404 00:21:53,890 --> 00:21:56,390 -Mm-hmm. -Um, super, super cool. Well, they have 405 00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:57,110 headphones 406 00:21:57,750 --> 00:22:00,430 that are like AirPod Pros. That's kinda like what they look like. 407 00:22:00,430 --> 00:22:01,270 -Yeah. -You know? 408 00:22:01,270 --> 00:22:02,580 -Yeah. -The case is a little bit different. 409 00:22:02,580 --> 00:22:03,910 They only came out recently. Like, within the last couple of months- 410 00:22:03,910 --> 00:22:04,850 -Yeah -... I think. 411 00:22:04,850 --> 00:22:05,310 -Yeah. -Yeah. 412 00:22:05,310 --> 00:22:09,810 And it's, uh, it's got a clear case and the piece of the headphone is clear as 413 00:22:09,810 --> 00:22:13,430 well, so you can see sort of like the drivers inside the headphone. It looks so 414 00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:18,150 cool. And so they have black, white and yellow. So I ordered one of each color. 415 00:22:18,150 --> 00:22:21,150 Uh, again, 'cause there are, like, our colors for our booth and everything, and 416 00:22:21,150 --> 00:22:22,370 -we're gonna be giving those away. -Yeah. 417 00:22:22,370 --> 00:22:24,610 -I'm so excited. It's gonna be really fun. -Nice. 418 00:22:24,610 --> 00:22:28,880 Um, and so that's always, it- it's sort of an interesting challenge. Like, you know, 419 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,370 what's the thing you're gonna give away? What's something you can do that's fun but 420 00:22:32,370 --> 00:22:33,410 -it's not- -Mm-hmm 421 00:22:33,410 --> 00:22:37,890 ... like, cheesy and, or, or over the top, or not too involved? Like, you don't want 422 00:22:37,890 --> 00:22:40,470 something like... A typing test is, like, a minute. Actually, a minute's a long 423 00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:43,700 time to sit there and, like, whatever. So, like, 15-second typing test. You know 424 00:22:43,700 --> 00:22:46,710 what I mean? It's 15 seconds. Like, anybody can take 15 seconds to do that 425 00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:50,100 sort of thing. And then how do you sort of brand it? So it's like once they get done 426 00:22:50,100 --> 00:22:53,670 with the typing test, it's got this fun little, like, interaction that says, like, 427 00:22:53,670 --> 00:22:56,290 you know, "Regardless of how fast you type, you could've done this faster by 428 00:22:56,290 --> 00:22:58,710 using our product." Whatever. Something stup- 429 00:22:58,710 --> 00:22:59,830 -Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. -Something stupid and silly. But, like, it 430 00:22:59,830 --> 00:23:03,450 has a personality with it. Uh, but like get a little marketing hook in there. So 431 00:23:03,450 --> 00:23:03,1000 -anyway, yeah- -Yeah 432 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,390 ... we'll get through some of that stuff. But it's been fun. It's been cool. Um, I 433 00:23:07,390 --> 00:23:08,230 really like this, 434 00:23:08,990 --> 00:23:12,530 the process of just building up these cool marketing things. And it's like, I want 435 00:23:12,530 --> 00:23:16,270 to design something that I would find delightful. You know, that I would be- 436 00:23:16,270 --> 00:23:18,220 -Yeah -... like, "Oh that's really cool." Um, and 437 00:23:18,220 --> 00:23:18,460 -so- -Yeah 438 00:23:18,460 --> 00:23:21,330 ... people give away AirPod Pros and stuff like that. But for me, like, these are 439 00:23:21,330 --> 00:23:24,950 just so unique, these headphones. I've never seen 'em in the wild ever. 440 00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:28,970 -Yeah. Yeah. -Uh, and it just looks so cool that I would 441 00:23:28,970 --> 00:23:32,190 like... That's definitely something I would want to have. I'll, I'll, I'll come 442 00:23:32,190 --> 00:23:33,590 -do a typing test for that, you know? -Yeah. 443 00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:34,560 -So... -Prizes- 444 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,810 -It'll be fun -... prizes are always a tricky one. Like, 445 00:23:36,810 --> 00:23:41,010 the, the sponsors will bring their own things. I know Titan did, like, the, the 446 00:23:41,010 --> 00:23:44,530 -custom keychain keycaps- -Yeah. Yeah, those are fun 447 00:23:44,530 --> 00:23:46,090 ... which had, like, the light-up key. Um- 448 00:23:46,090 --> 00:23:49,1000 -Yeah. -But, uh, you know, and then Givebutter had 449 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,170 -this, this stupid design. -Yeah. 450 00:23:53,170 --> 00:23:57,940 Like, I've got, I've got part of it done, but I hate it. Um, I told them- ... I 451 00:23:57,940 --> 00:23:59,480 hated it. And, uh, 452 00:24:00,410 --> 00:24:04,310 I took a video of, like, the solved one so that I can one day maybe put it back 453 00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:08,810 together, 'cause it's... Yeah. But it's always interesting to, as you say, uh, 454 00:24:08,810 --> 00:24:15,170 especially for a, for a sponsor or someone presenting in the exhibition spaces, 455 00:24:15,170 --> 00:24:21,010 people don't necessarily need your product or know your product or want to use your 456 00:24:21,010 --> 00:24:23,790 product or whatever. But if you've got something cool that will hook them in just 457 00:24:23,790 --> 00:24:27,790 for a conversation, even the, the conversation is really good. Like, one of 458 00:24:27,790 --> 00:24:30,510 our sponsors last year, they brought a pickleball set. 459 00:24:31,398 --> 00:24:33,898 -Yeah, yeah. -Now, they brought a pickleball set. One, 460 00:24:33,898 --> 00:24:35,857 -one for every attendee, and it was just- -Oh, wow 461 00:24:35,858 --> 00:24:39,997 ... something different that... You know, you could... You've got a paddle and a 462 00:24:39,998 --> 00:24:44,718 ball and, um, and you go and hang out with the sponsor, and you just talk to them. 463 00:24:44,718 --> 00:24:47,257 And, you know, you might not have an immediate use to it, but through that 464 00:24:47,257 --> 00:24:50,718 conversation you may find, oh, you know, at least the name is there, that, yeah, I 465 00:24:50,718 --> 00:24:54,778 could use this thing at some point in the future. So, it's, it's cool to, to do that 466 00:24:54,778 --> 00:24:59,278 kind of stuff. Um, from a, like, from a conference organizer perspective, it's 467 00:24:59,278 --> 00:25:05,118 always... I'm always looking for things 'cause, yeah, you can do the, the, the 468 00:25:05,118 --> 00:25:08,778 AirPods and you can give away the Apple TVs and things like that, but there's 469 00:25:08,778 --> 00:25:13,618 something... Expectation. And, and for the Laravel ecosystem, it's generally a 470 00:25:13,618 --> 00:25:16,958 sound, um, generalization that 471 00:25:17,598 --> 00:25:20,458 90% of the people there are gonna own a Mac, and the chance of- 472 00:25:20,458 --> 00:25:22,318 -Yeah, yeah -... of winning a prize and, like, you 473 00:25:22,318 --> 00:25:26,038 know, if you don't have an iPhone and you win AirPods, it's... It can work, but it's 474 00:25:26,038 --> 00:25:29,018 -not the best experience. -Yeah, it's a pain in the neck, yeah. 475 00:25:29,018 --> 00:25:33,498 So, it's always a matter of, like, trying to figure out what can we get as a prize 476 00:25:33,498 --> 00:25:38,338 that has broad appeal irrespective of your existing ecosystem, which obviously we 477 00:25:38,338 --> 00:25:39,218 can't account for 478 00:25:39,858 --> 00:25:41,457 at the time of giving away a random prize. 479 00:25:41,458 --> 00:25:43,678 -Right, right. -So, the- the- the Switch is always a good 480 00:25:43,678 --> 00:25:47,778 one because it's like, here is a Nintendo Switch that you can now be, you know, in 481 00:25:47,778 --> 00:25:53,238 that ecosystem. Or, um, you know, we had the, the MacBook Air last year because, 482 00:25:53,238 --> 00:25:57,578 you know, a Mac Mini's cool, but you wanna give someone something where there's no 483 00:25:57,578 --> 00:26:00,798 expectation that they need to bring anything to it. Like, you give someone a 484 00:26:00,798 --> 00:26:03,818 MacBook and they can plug it in and turn it on and they can start using it straight 485 00:26:03,818 --> 00:26:04,138 -away. -Yeah, yeah. 486 00:26:04,138 --> 00:26:07,618 Whereas the Mac Mini, well, there's the expectation of they've gotta have a 487 00:26:07,618 --> 00:26:09,268 -keyboard- -They've gotta have a display, yeah 488 00:26:09,268 --> 00:26:11,958 ... and they've gotta have a, you know, all this extra stuff, so... Always 489 00:26:11,958 --> 00:26:16,658 thinking about those things and trying to balance being just Apple things versus, or 490 00:26:16,658 --> 00:26:19,998 maybe we get some Sony headphones or some Bose headphones or the- 491 00:26:19,998 --> 00:26:21,478 -Yeah, yeah -... but nothing ones are interesting 492 00:26:21,478 --> 00:26:22,108 because 493 00:26:23,618 --> 00:26:26,178 they certainly have a certain look to them. 494 00:26:26,178 --> 00:26:28,758 -Yeah. -And I don't know that I would necessarily 495 00:26:28,758 --> 00:26:33,778 want to wear them outside in public, but other people may be less, uh, less 496 00:26:33,778 --> 00:26:39,018 particular about that. So, yeah, always trying to find things that, that people 497 00:26:39,018 --> 00:26:42,398 are interested in, or that would be interested, you know, that they would want 498 00:26:42,398 --> 00:26:46,758 to keep that, um, is always, uh, a bit of a challenge as well. 499 00:26:46,758 --> 00:26:47,718 For me, it's always like 500 00:26:48,618 --> 00:26:53,777 the thing I want to do is I want to be anything but ignored. Like, I, I don't 501 00:26:53,778 --> 00:26:57,758 even care, like, if they don't like the giveaway. I want it to be more unique than 502 00:26:57,758 --> 00:27:01,718 anybody else's. I want, like, even what we wear. I wear, we wear yellow shoes, 503 00:27:01,718 --> 00:27:06,118 like, at these conferences, and then we wear, like, really loud shirts, because I 504 00:27:06,118 --> 00:27:09,358 want them to have seen us and be like, "Oh, yeah, you got..." So, like, when, you 505 00:27:09,358 --> 00:27:12,158 know, we end up going to, like, they'll have lunch or whatever, they'd be like, 506 00:27:12,158 --> 00:27:14,738 "Oh, yeah, you guys are the ones wearing those yellow shirts, right?" Like, "Yeah, 507 00:27:14,738 --> 00:27:15,428 -exactly." -Mm-hmm. 508 00:27:15,428 --> 00:27:20,058 "Like, what do you guys do?" You know? So, it's like they've seen us, um, and it's 509 00:27:20,058 --> 00:27:21,698 -so- so anyway, that's- -You're not there, you stand out so that 510 00:27:21,698 --> 00:27:24,888 they look, you know, take a second look that, like, they commit to memory- 511 00:27:24,888 --> 00:27:26,078 -Exactly right -... that they've seen this thing a couple 512 00:27:26,078 --> 00:27:29,548 of times. "Oh, I've seen them out in public as well," and things like that, 513 00:27:29,548 --> 00:27:31,178 -so... -You got it. Yep, and then anything that's 514 00:27:31,178 --> 00:27:32,408 -just a conversation- -Yeah, 515 00:27:33,338 --> 00:27:34,187 -for anyone sponsoring- -Yeah 516 00:27:34,187 --> 00:27:37,438 ... anyone sponsoring Laracon, whether ours or any of the other Laracons 517 00:27:37,438 --> 00:27:38,738 -listening, you know? -Yeah. 518 00:27:38,738 --> 00:27:43,478 If you've been on the fence about it or trying to figure out what to do, something 519 00:27:43,478 --> 00:27:47,938 that, um, that stands out is, uh, is always interesting. 520 00:27:47,938 --> 00:27:50,658 Absolutely. Yep. And then driving conversations, you know what I mean? It's 521 00:27:50,658 --> 00:27:55,898 like, it's, it's, uh, so much about it, of it is about relationships, um, and if 522 00:27:55,898 --> 00:27:59,008 they had a good interaction with you and your team at the booth, like, even if they 523 00:27:59,008 --> 00:28:02,418 don't have an immediate use for that thing, 'cause, um, I mean, let's be real, 524 00:28:02,418 --> 00:28:05,738 like, conferences aren't really where you close the deals. It's where you start the 525 00:28:05,738 --> 00:28:06,438 -conversation. -Nope. 526 00:28:06,438 --> 00:28:07,418 -That's, that's what it is. -Yeah. 527 00:28:07,418 --> 00:28:10,498 It's just about building relationships. And so, you build those relationships and 528 00:28:10,498 --> 00:28:13,278 then when they have a need for that thing, like, "Oh, yeah, that's right, I did 529 00:28:13,278 --> 00:28:16,338 need," like, um, or, "I'm interested in switching. Well, I had that contact with 530 00:28:16,338 --> 00:28:19,078 that one guy at Sentry," or whatever it is, you know? And then- 531 00:28:19,078 --> 00:28:20,738 -Yeah -... um, you know, that's, that's the next 532 00:28:20,738 --> 00:28:21,498 product they look at. So, 533 00:28:22,118 --> 00:28:25,318 yeah, anyway, I think that's, um, I think that is good advice, though, for people 534 00:28:25,318 --> 00:28:28,738 that- that are presenting. It's like, just be a good person and have fun giveaways, 535 00:28:28,738 --> 00:28:33,158 and just try and make it a fun time to be at your booth. Don't always be pushing, 536 00:28:33,158 --> 00:28:36,967 like, "So what's the solution you guys are looking for?" It's like, you know, eh. 537 00:28:36,967 --> 00:28:38,038 -Yeah. -'Cause some people wanna talk about that. 538 00:28:38,038 --> 00:28:41,458 Most people just wanna, like, come get your stuff and have a positive 539 00:28:41,458 --> 00:28:42,838 -interaction. -Yeah, most people would just... Yeah, 540 00:28:42,838 --> 00:28:45,938 especially, like, and Laracon US, they did the, the stamp card thing, so there's 541 00:28:45,938 --> 00:28:49,597 gonna be a nonzero number of people that are just gonna want their, their stamp 542 00:28:49,597 --> 00:28:53,107 -card punched. Um- -Yep. Give 'em, give 'em the stuff. 543 00:28:53,858 --> 00:28:55,148 -But, you know- -Yeah, be, be kind. 544 00:28:55,148 --> 00:28:57,318 -Yeah. -Like, don't, like... You know. 545 00:28:57,318 --> 00:29:00,958 Yeah. You know, some people will just want that. Some people might be really into 546 00:29:00,958 --> 00:29:03,938 your swag, and it depends on how much swag you brought, like, 547 00:29:04,638 --> 00:29:08,698 I would assume that the sponsors are gonna try and qualify people for some of the 548 00:29:08,698 --> 00:29:11,678 cool stuff that they've got as well. It's like, "Well, this person just came for the 549 00:29:11,678 --> 00:29:14,658 stamp, so we'll give them the stamp." But someone that sticks around and talks for 550 00:29:14,658 --> 00:29:19,758 a minute or five or whatever, more inclined to wanna, you know, give them a 551 00:29:19,758 --> 00:29:22,318 T-shirt or a cap or something like that as well. 552 00:29:22,318 --> 00:29:23,558 Agreed. Agreed. 553 00:29:24,578 --> 00:29:29,628 Okay, couple of things I, I wanted to loop back to real quick. Um, we talked about 554 00:29:29,628 --> 00:29:32,638 this conference that myself and Ben Holman are talking about. We've got 555 00:29:33,338 --> 00:29:33,938 interesting 556 00:29:34,558 --> 00:29:38,857 ideas around it, but don't have any really solid updates, so just heads up. We 557 00:29:38,858 --> 00:29:41,498 talked about that last time and I really appreciate your insight from that last 558 00:29:41,498 --> 00:29:44,838 time. We've been working through some of those things and think we have some ideas, 559 00:29:44,838 --> 00:29:47,728 but nothing super concrete to share, so there's that. Um, 560 00:29:48,718 --> 00:29:52,678 we also have been talking about the idea of our team switching, um, where we're 561 00:29:52,678 --> 00:29:54,917 -handling our permissions. -Mm-hmm. 562 00:29:54,918 --> 00:30:00,578 Permission leasing, things like that. Um, did we talk at all about delegated users 563 00:30:00,578 --> 00:30:04,598 and delegated, like, managing users? Did we talk about that theme? We maybe had a 564 00:30:04,598 --> 00:30:07,698 -little bit. -We talked about, um... So, like, your 565 00:30:07,698 --> 00:30:10,278 manager delegating a subset of permissions to 566 00:30:11,038 --> 00:30:13,138 someone on the team 'cause they're going away or whatever else. 567 00:30:13,138 --> 00:30:13,618 -Yep, yep. -Yeah. 568 00:30:13,618 --> 00:30:13,908 -Okay. -Yeah. 569 00:30:13,908 --> 00:30:16,638 So, we did talk about that part. So, that's, we're, we're doing this in 570 00:30:16,638 --> 00:30:20,558 earnest, um, and it's been really cool. We're using enums all over the place for 571 00:30:20,558 --> 00:30:24,667 it and it's just been really delightful, and, um- 572 00:30:24,667 --> 00:30:26,818 -Mm-hmm. -It's worked pretty well. And so good 573 00:30:26,818 --> 00:30:31,238 report back on that. Like, I do think it's very possible to sort of move all of that 574 00:30:31,238 --> 00:30:36,078 role-based everything outside of that system, um, and have it work pretty dang 575 00:30:36,078 --> 00:30:36,730 -well.So, yeah. -That's cool. 576 00:30:36,730 --> 00:30:40,410 And so if that's anything you're interested in doing with your teams, like 577 00:30:40,410 --> 00:30:43,710 we've run into some, you know, things that we had to bang our head against the wall 578 00:30:43,710 --> 00:30:47,630 for a while, and, um, feel like we have some decent solutions. So, if anybody's 579 00:30:47,630 --> 00:30:50,810 looking to do something like that or has to, you know, interact with a third party 580 00:30:50,810 --> 00:30:54,650 where you're sorta doing some of that, that stuff, role-based stuff, and the 581 00:30:54,650 --> 00:30:57,890 permissions only live inside your app, but yeah, please feel free to reach out. I'd 582 00:30:57,890 --> 00:31:02,150 love to give any info, info that we've learned from that. Um, one other thing. 583 00:31:02,150 --> 00:31:05,850 Andy Hinkel, our very own Andy Hinkel at Wilbur is doing the worldwide meetup 584 00:31:05,890 --> 00:31:11,119 tomorrow. I got a preview of his talk today, which I was super delighted by. Um, 585 00:31:11,119 --> 00:31:11,420 -he- -Nice 586 00:31:11,420 --> 00:31:14,870 ... used to work at a, at a, uh, theme park, and so he kind of 587 00:31:16,630 --> 00:31:20,490 draws comparisons between these roller coasters and 588 00:31:21,770 --> 00:31:25,590 design, like software design, which was really fun. I learned some super cool 589 00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:26,420 -stuff about- -Nice 590 00:31:26,420 --> 00:31:29,090 ... roller coasters, actually, which I was like, I would do that. I would listen to 591 00:31:29,090 --> 00:31:30,880 him talk about roller coasters. I didn't even know that. It's really interesting. 592 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,470 It's cool. It's cool to, to have a talk that kind of ties those things together. 593 00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:35,430 -We've got, uh- -Totally. 594 00:31:36,070 --> 00:31:40,949 We've got a couple of talks that are, that are going to do similar kind of 595 00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:45,070 storytelling this year, I think. So yeah, it's always... It, it gets people to sit 596 00:31:45,070 --> 00:31:48,490 up in their, in their seats and wake up a little bit, so. I mean, you know, this 597 00:31:48,490 --> 00:31:52,190 being the, the worldwide meetup, a little bit different in terms of presentation, 598 00:31:52,190 --> 00:31:56,770 but I think getting people to shift in their seats to actually listen is, is 599 00:31:56,770 --> 00:31:59,669 -always interesting. -I feel like if you're a subject matter 600 00:31:59,670 --> 00:32:04,529 expert on something other than software and you can bring that passion into your 601 00:32:04,530 --> 00:32:06,190 -talk, people are just- -Yeah 602 00:32:06,190 --> 00:32:08,150 ... very interested. You know, there's a lot of- 603 00:32:08,150 --> 00:32:09,370 -Absolutely -... people out there who know a lot of the 604 00:32:09,370 --> 00:32:12,990 software stuff, but like, even if, I mean, it could be gardening. It could be 605 00:32:12,990 --> 00:32:18,390 roller coasters. It could be, uh, storms. Like, like I know, you know, Andy, the 606 00:32:18,390 --> 00:32:19,990 same guy on our team, he's big into, like, 607 00:32:20,990 --> 00:32:25,050 weather, which is, sounds like, "Weather? Really?" But there is so much cool stuff 608 00:32:25,050 --> 00:32:28,740 that he's shown me, like all these different radars and readouts and like, 609 00:32:28,740 --> 00:32:30,790 "Oh, that's super interesting." And I feel like- 610 00:32:30,790 --> 00:32:32,790 -Mm-hmm -... software developers as a sort of like 611 00:32:32,790 --> 00:32:37,969 a whole are just forever learners. Just, there's always some interesting, weird 612 00:32:37,970 --> 00:32:40,050 things. Like, I wanna know about that. And so- 613 00:32:40,050 --> 00:32:41,970 -Yeah -... um, if you're able to sort of combine 614 00:32:41,970 --> 00:32:45,150 your passions, I think that's always a really good thing too, 'cause people just 615 00:32:45,150 --> 00:32:48,530 feel that, you know? It's, it's... They can feel your energy around that 616 00:32:48,530 --> 00:32:49,270 -particular thing. -Mm-hmm. 617 00:32:49,270 --> 00:32:53,070 And it's just fun to be able to participate in that with people. So yeah, 618 00:32:53,070 --> 00:32:55,670 I'm excited for that tomorrow. So, if you get a chance to watch that, that's super 619 00:32:55,670 --> 00:33:00,220 cool. I don't know if our, you know, our, um, podcast will be out by then, but if... 620 00:33:00,220 --> 00:33:02,289 I'm sure it'll be recorded, so you should definitely check that out. 621 00:33:02,290 --> 00:33:06,290 -Yeah. -Um, okay. Omarchi? Is that what it's 622 00:33:06,290 --> 00:33:09,890 called? How do you pronounce this thing? DHH's Linux cur- 623 00:33:09,890 --> 00:33:12,300 -Omarchi. -Omarchi. Omarchi? 624 00:33:12,300 --> 00:33:15,290 -Omarchi. Omarchi. -Have you looked at this at all? It's like 625 00:33:15,290 --> 00:33:18,170 all the hotness. Everybody's running Omarchi now. 626 00:33:18,170 --> 00:33:20,590 Yes. Everyone's on it. Yeah, I've been- On, like, framework laptops. On, you know, 627 00:33:20,590 --> 00:33:21,810 run on Linux, everything. On framework laptops, yeah. 628 00:33:21,810 --> 00:33:24,930 -It's like whatever. -I got very excited the other day 'cause 629 00:33:24,930 --> 00:33:27,940 I'm like, I've got this iMac under my desk that has been sitting in this box- 630 00:33:27,940 --> 00:33:29,550 -Right? -... for about four years. I'm like, "I'll 631 00:33:29,550 --> 00:33:32,850 just install it on that." But it's a, it's a whole headache because of the like- 632 00:33:32,850 --> 00:33:34,990 -Is it? Okay, that's the question -... secured chip on there as well. So 633 00:33:34,990 --> 00:33:37,450 it's, unfortunately, not gonna do that. Um, 634 00:33:38,170 --> 00:33:43,009 I did run it up in a, in a virtual machine on my NAS for about five minutes and was 635 00:33:43,010 --> 00:33:47,970 like, "This is cool, I'd like to explore it." So I started... I had this Intel NUC, 636 00:33:48,030 --> 00:33:52,970 you know, these little mini PC things. Um, they used to be, like, my local 637 00:33:52,970 --> 00:33:54,520 -server, and I've, like, migrated- -Sure, sure 638 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:55,370 ... everything off of it 639 00:33:56,210 --> 00:33:59,510 onto the NAS now, which I've been, which has been a project that I was gonna do for 640 00:33:59,510 --> 00:34:01,450 about a year since I got the NAS, 641 00:34:02,150 --> 00:34:04,990 with the intent to then install Omarchi on the NUC 642 00:34:06,050 --> 00:34:11,679 and use that as like, you know, to play around with, with some dev stuff on there. 643 00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:15,570 Um, so I did that last weekend and I turned the NUC off. And I've just, like, 644 00:34:15,570 --> 00:34:18,830 left it off this week to make sure that I've moved everything off that I needed 645 00:34:18,830 --> 00:34:23,730 to, that, like, things I would, um, not access very often, that all of that kinda 646 00:34:23,730 --> 00:34:27,270 stuff is still there. And then the intent is to install it on there. But I've 647 00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:31,270 realized that the NUC is old enough that it doesn't have any USB-C on it, so I have 648 00:34:31,270 --> 00:34:32,150 -to- -Oh, interesting 649 00:34:32,150 --> 00:34:37,770 ... connect a, h- have to connect HDMI to a, to a monitor, which involves, you know, 650 00:34:37,770 --> 00:34:41,730 uncabling everything and running a cable back there and all of that kinda stuff. So 651 00:34:41,730 --> 00:34:45,429 -we'll see how, how that goes. But, uh- -It is really interesting to see. Like, but 652 00:34:45,429 --> 00:34:48,510 the same, same principle, same pattern. These are the things like Aaron Francis 653 00:34:48,510 --> 00:34:51,810 talks about. Like, the thing that you're excited about, just tell people about it. 654 00:34:51,810 --> 00:34:52,380 -Like, people- -Yeah 655 00:34:52,380 --> 00:34:55,610 ... love and can feel the energy. Like, DHH has been so excited about this. This 656 00:34:55,610 --> 00:34:56,420 -is what he's tweeting about. -Yeah. 657 00:34:56,420 --> 00:34:59,750 And I feel like it's just gotten so much traction, number one, because he's DHH. 658 00:34:59,750 --> 00:35:02,730 But number two, 'cause he's just so freaking excited about it. He's just like- 659 00:35:02,730 --> 00:35:02,870 Yeah. Yeah, 660 00:35:02,870 --> 00:35:05,950 ... "Oh, this is the thing. Everybody should use it. Like, this is really great. 661 00:35:05,950 --> 00:35:08,390 Like, if you're not using it, you definitely should be. And if you're coming 662 00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:11,220 from Mac, like, just stick with it. Give it a month." You know what I mean? 663 00:35:11,220 --> 00:35:13,620 -Yeah. -Like, all the things. It's, but it's, it's 664 00:35:13,620 --> 00:35:15,720 just cool. It's like there's so much energy around it. 665 00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:17,250 -Yeah. -It's like, I kinda wanna try it. I have no 666 00:35:17,250 --> 00:35:19,520 need to try it. Like, I've got everything I need- 667 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,130 -Yeah -... with, with the current OS. Like, I 668 00:35:21,130 --> 00:35:23,240 don't really need a project. But it's sort of like, eh- 669 00:35:23,240 --> 00:35:24,459 -Yeah -... I'm really curious. I kinda wanna just 670 00:35:24,459 --> 00:35:26,450 -play with it, you know? -Yeah. I'll give it a go. Like, I'd like to 671 00:35:26,450 --> 00:35:30,430 use it as, for a, for a development machine, just to have something on, on my 672 00:35:30,430 --> 00:35:33,110 desk that I can, like, just, just go with. But- 673 00:35:33,110 --> 00:35:36,490 -Yeah, yeah -... losing the Apple ecosystem is, is a 674 00:35:36,490 --> 00:35:39,090 no-go for me. Like, it wouldn't become my primary because- 675 00:35:39,090 --> 00:35:40,510 -Yeah -... you know, giving up iMessage, giving 676 00:35:40,510 --> 00:35:41,880 -up Fotos, giving up Music. -Totally. 677 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,050 I mean, like, all of this stuff that kind of, uh, iCloud, all of that stuff that... 678 00:35:45,050 --> 00:35:49,610 Like, I'm not, I don't want alternatives to it. I'm leaving all of that alone. I 679 00:35:49,610 --> 00:35:53,080 would use this in addition to, which is why I've got, like- 680 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:54,690 -Yeah -... a secondary machine that I'll install 681 00:35:54,690 --> 00:36:00,750 it on. It's not a, um... It's not gonna be my primary driver or anything like that. 682 00:36:00,750 --> 00:36:01,620 -But, um- -Which seems like a fun middle ground. 683 00:36:01,620 --> 00:36:02,950 -I'm eager to try. They just- -Yeah. 684 00:36:02,950 --> 00:36:07,310 Yeah. They, um, they just released, uh, version two, I think overnight at the time 685 00:36:07,310 --> 00:36:10,470 of this recording, which is like, got a whole bunch of fixes in there, a whole 686 00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:15,330 bunch of tweaks, whole bunch of changes. There's like now a, a five-minute install 687 00:36:15,330 --> 00:36:18,910 ISO. So before you had to install Arch Linux and then run the Omarchi 688 00:36:20,290 --> 00:36:23,950 installer, which would pull down their repo and configure everything in the 689 00:36:23,950 --> 00:36:27,390 blessed DHH way. Whereas now it's just like here's the ISO. It's got everything 690 00:36:27,390 --> 00:36:29,930 ready to go. You don't have to do all these manual steps. You don't have to 691 00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:31,040 -enable- -That's cool 692 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,730 ... the wifi card yourself and all of this kind of stuff, so. 693 00:36:33,730 --> 00:36:35,310 -Yeah. Yeah. -I mean- 694 00:36:35,310 --> 00:36:36,650 -Nice -... not that, not that it was hard. Like, 695 00:36:36,650 --> 00:36:39,550 it was 10 minutes to install before and now it's five minutes. But they've done a 696 00:36:39,550 --> 00:36:42,870 whole bunch of stuff like building their own package manager because people 697 00:36:42,870 --> 00:36:47,790 apparently had DDoSed the, the, the package, uh-It's, um, 698 00:36:49,050 --> 00:36:50,039 -the the upstream, like- -Repository 699 00:36:50,039 --> 00:36:52,030 ... where all the packages are hosted, the repository where all of that stuff's 700 00:36:52,030 --> 00:36:56,510 hosted, so that, that caused a bunch of issues for a few weeks. And DHH is like, 701 00:36:56,510 --> 00:37:00,110 "Look, if I did this by accident because I've got lots of people interested in it, 702 00:37:00,110 --> 00:37:03,430 I'm sorry." Like, "We'll pay money, whatever we can do to help smooth that 703 00:37:03,430 --> 00:37:07,130 over." If it's, like, genuinely a DDoS attack because, like, people are attacking 704 00:37:07,130 --> 00:37:11,790 the package repository, then like, "You guys suck," and, and all of this kind of 705 00:37:11,790 --> 00:37:14,610 -stuff, as, as DHH does, so, um- -Yeah 706 00:37:14,610 --> 00:37:17,530 ... it is... Like, he's got Atom on it. You know, at, the- 707 00:37:17,530 --> 00:37:19,530 Yeah. Yeah. I saw him talking about that. Yeah 708 00:37:19,530 --> 00:37:21,750 I think Framework sent him a Framework computer, and he's gonna try it. So I 709 00:37:21,750 --> 00:37:22,070 don't know. 710 00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:25,550 -It's, uh- -That's fun. Yeah. Kevin Rose, I saw from, 711 00:37:25,550 --> 00:37:29,850 like, you know, back in the day. Like, he was running it on a Framework machine. And 712 00:37:29,850 --> 00:37:33,530 yeah. It's just, it's just cool. A lot of, a lot big, big names kind of running 713 00:37:33,530 --> 00:37:34,440 it and trying it out, and 714 00:37:35,290 --> 00:37:37,250 -it's, it's fun. -Every time he mentions it, I'm like, "Oh, 715 00:37:37,250 --> 00:37:40,470 I'll go, go look at the Beelink website again." I'm like, "Should I buy a Beelink 716 00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:43,130 -mini PC?" No, no, no don't buy a Beelink. -Oh, no. 717 00:37:43,130 --> 00:37:46,770 Like, 'cause it's not worth spending the money on it for something that is not... 718 00:37:46,770 --> 00:37:50,930 Like, it's not that I fear that I would want it to become my primary, it's that I 719 00:37:50,930 --> 00:37:51,110 would 720 00:37:52,070 --> 00:37:54,050 -spend money on this thing- -Spend too much time, yeah 721 00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:58,070 ... knowing that it's only ever going to be a secondary thing- 722 00:37:58,070 --> 00:38:00,290 -Yeah, yeah -... and it won't get the use to justify 723 00:38:00,290 --> 00:38:01,180 -it. But just- -Agree 724 00:38:01,180 --> 00:38:07,170 ... just on that, like these, these mini PCs have gotten so good. Um, like, uh, it, 725 00:38:07,170 --> 00:38:12,050 uh, it's got, like, a 5 gigahertz AMD Ryzen processor in it with its own 726 00:38:12,050 --> 00:38:14,710 -discreet AI capabilities. -Geez. 727 00:38:14,710 --> 00:38:19,110 It's got 32 gig of RAM, one terabyte hard drive, and it's, like, $600 Australian. 728 00:38:19,110 --> 00:38:23,170 It's like, they're not even expensive, and they're far and away more capable 729 00:38:23,170 --> 00:38:26,749 machines than, you know, desktop machines that we bought five years ago. 730 00:38:26,750 --> 00:38:27,870 -Oh, yeah. -Ten years ago. 731 00:38:27,870 --> 00:38:28,930 -Yep. -In this little, like- 732 00:38:28,930 --> 00:38:31,830 -That's impressive -... Mac mini sized puck. 733 00:38:31,830 --> 00:38:32,550 -Yep. -So. 734 00:38:32,550 --> 00:38:34,240 Yeah, they're pretty incredible. Yeah, you can do all sorts of cool stuff with those 735 00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:35,050 -too. -And it's, like, you look at it, and you 736 00:38:35,050 --> 00:38:40,990 go, you know, it's only $500, and it's, like, all... But again, for me to use it, 737 00:38:40,990 --> 00:38:41,1000 -like- -Yeah. Finding the time to- 738 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,370 -... in the background -... do something with it. Yeah. 739 00:38:44,370 --> 00:38:46,890 -Yeah. -Yeah. Exactly. 740 00:38:46,890 --> 00:38:51,410 Um, yeah. If, if it could replace the entire Apple ecosystem, sure. And, and 741 00:38:51,410 --> 00:38:54,590 sure, yes, there are alternatives. You could use Dropbox instead of iCloud, and 742 00:38:54,590 --> 00:38:58,470 you could use this instead of that, and all of... But I don't, I don't want to do 743 00:38:58,470 --> 00:38:59,279 -all of that, 'cause- -Yeah. Yeah 744 00:38:59,279 --> 00:39:02,750 ... my wife is not gonna switch to a non-Apple device just to be able to, like, 745 00:39:02,750 --> 00:39:06,730 send me text messages and things like that. We're not gonna move to Signal or 746 00:39:06,730 --> 00:39:10,870 Telegram or whatever else to, to send messages just because I've decided I wanna 747 00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:13,370 try this other thing out. Like, that is not practical. 748 00:39:13,370 --> 00:39:16,650 -That's not happening. Yeah. -And, like, my family's not gonna move, 749 00:39:16,650 --> 00:39:19,210 and, yeah, all this other stuff. It's just, it's not- 750 00:39:19,210 --> 00:39:21,540 -Too heavily invested. I get it. Yeah. -It would, it would definitely be a- 751 00:39:21,540 --> 00:39:23,770 -It's like if I was starting over- -... a ticket price 752 00:39:23,770 --> 00:39:26,760 ... if I was starting over from square one, and I wasn't already so heavily 753 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,650 invested, maybe. You know what I mean? But it's like, I'm not. I'm just not at that 754 00:39:29,650 --> 00:39:33,950 point anymore, so. Stuck in my ways. I'm an old man. Um- 755 00:39:33,950 --> 00:39:35,899 -Yeah. -Okay. Two more things. 756 00:39:35,899 --> 00:39:36,380 -I'm trying to convince- -Number one- 757 00:39:36,380 --> 00:39:38,190 ... uh, the boss. I'm trying to convince the boss- 758 00:39:38,190 --> 00:39:41,390 -Yeah -... to get us all Omachi devices for- 759 00:39:41,390 --> 00:39:42,190 -Oh, there you go -... work. 760 00:39:42,190 --> 00:39:43,059 That'd be fun. That would be actually cool. 761 00:39:43,059 --> 00:39:45,190 'Cause if I could use it all day, every day, it'd be fine. 762 00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:48,100 Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And if I didn't have to pay for it, even better. 763 00:39:48,100 --> 00:39:50,330 -Yeah. -Um, I forgot to tell you, my daughter got 764 00:39:50,330 --> 00:39:53,650 smacked in the head with a baseball bat today at school. Um- 765 00:39:53,650 --> 00:39:54,070 -I believe. -And- 766 00:39:54,070 --> 00:39:56,369 Happens to... Kids, uh, kids aren't coordinated, and then- 767 00:39:56,370 --> 00:39:59,990 Yeah. Huge split right in her forehead. Had to go get stitches. It was a mess. 768 00:39:59,990 --> 00:40:03,750 That poor kid. She's doing fine now, but little headache, but made it alive. I'll 769 00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:05,170 send you pictures. It was... Dude, it was 770 00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:08,810 -brutal. Looked like a gun- -Sprung place, sprung time? 771 00:40:08,810 --> 00:40:12,010 I mean, I, I mean, not to be overly dramatic, but it looked like a freaking 772 00:40:12,010 --> 00:40:14,610 gunshot wound. I mean, head wounds are always so bloody. 773 00:40:14,610 --> 00:40:15,370 -Yeah. -You know what I mean? Like- 774 00:40:15,370 --> 00:40:16,830 -Yeah -... their, theirs just looks like a mess. 775 00:40:16,830 --> 00:40:21,390 The, the PE teacher sh- said, "That's the most blood I've ever seen in an injury in 776 00:40:21,390 --> 00:40:24,390 this gym." And she's like, "I've never seen that much blood." And I'm like, "Holy 777 00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:24,720 cow. 778 00:40:25,530 --> 00:40:26,130 -Poor kid." -Thanks. 779 00:40:26,130 --> 00:40:29,650 -And so she was, it was a mess. Anyway- -Glad it could be my child, you know? 780 00:40:29,650 --> 00:40:35,730 Seris- seriously. So anyway, yeah. She's fine, but that was crazy. Um, the other 781 00:40:35,730 --> 00:40:38,730 thing I was going to talk about, and I think we're... I mean, how far are we in? 782 00:40:38,730 --> 00:40:39,580 -I'm not sure. -We're at 40. 783 00:40:39,580 --> 00:40:42,110 I feel like I do this... 40? Okay. All right, I'm gonna, I'm gonna real quick 784 00:40:42,110 --> 00:40:42,550 mention this, 785 00:40:43,250 --> 00:40:47,210 'cause we've talked about it a little bit before. Twilio conversations. So this is 786 00:40:47,210 --> 00:40:50,610 something we're working on, where we're doing, like, agent text conversations back 787 00:40:50,610 --> 00:40:54,650 and forth. Um, it's been interesting sort of the structure that we've come up with, 788 00:40:54,650 --> 00:40:58,630 which is that all the source of truth lives on Twilio. So Twilio is the one who 789 00:40:58,630 --> 00:41:03,990 is brokering all those conversations. But if we want to be able to do anything with 790 00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:09,230 them in our own sort of domain, we have to store our own copies of those messages 791 00:41:09,910 --> 00:41:10,990 so that we can enrich them 792 00:41:11,890 --> 00:41:15,290 and not have to pull those conversations down every single time we wanna do 793 00:41:15,290 --> 00:41:17,990 something with them, right? It's like, I want to be able to do things in the 794 00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:21,430 background in the case I haven't heard from those conversations in a bit or 795 00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:25,570 things like that. So, um, it's, it's an interesting one. We can talk about it next 796 00:41:25,570 --> 00:41:29,530 time about how exactly we're doing that. And also, like, the nice thing about this 797 00:41:29,530 --> 00:41:35,850 too is that Twilio is... has higher SLAs than we do, right? So if there's a 798 00:41:35,850 --> 00:41:40,990 conversation that comes in that we missed, it's possible that, like, maybe a webhook 799 00:41:40,990 --> 00:41:42,350 -failed. Possible, right? -Yeah. 800 00:41:42,350 --> 00:41:46,110 Maybe, maybe it... But for them, they still have their copy of it. And so what 801 00:41:46,110 --> 00:41:50,550 we can do is we can inspect our own indexes on our side, and if we get a new 802 00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:55,890 message in that is further along than one off of our indexes, we can auto resync the 803 00:41:55,890 --> 00:41:59,910 conversation in the background and then redisplay it. It's also we can use 804 00:41:59,910 --> 00:42:04,150 LayerVal presence channels on our side to kind of see who's in which conversations 805 00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:08,090 and who's busy responding to what. We're working on doing, like, timeouts and 806 00:42:08,090 --> 00:42:11,190 alerting and ownership. So if somebody has it, but they haven't responded in a 807 00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:14,450 certain amount of time, roll it over to a manager or escalate it to another person. 808 00:42:14,450 --> 00:42:16,470 So all these sorts of cool business 809 00:42:17,110 --> 00:42:21,690 interactions that we're having to decide, um, you know, our heuristics around what, 810 00:42:21,690 --> 00:42:25,230 how we want that to behave. It's been really, it's been really fun. And so 811 00:42:25,230 --> 00:42:29,890 Wilbur Power has been working on that and using Flux, uh, UI, um, for that, which 812 00:42:29,890 --> 00:42:32,060 has been really delightful too. It looks so- 813 00:42:32,060 --> 00:42:34,490 -Nice -... good. It really does. It looks so 814 00:42:34,490 --> 00:42:37,330 good. Uh, Caleb been, uh... Caleb's done such a good job with that. 815 00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:44,110 Um, and so yeah. Shout out to Caleb and his team. Doing awesome. And yeah, we can 816 00:42:44,110 --> 00:42:49,606 -talk more about that next time. -Yeah. Cool. Yeah. No, that, um-So, my, my 817 00:42:49,606 --> 00:42:55,086 boss has been doing a proof of concept at the moment with, um, 11 Labs speech 818 00:42:55,086 --> 00:42:59,946 generation and, well, for like lead, lead qualification. 819 00:42:59,946 --> 00:43:02,524 -Okay. Okay. -So if we get a lead from someone, we can 820 00:43:02,526 --> 00:43:03,145 then have 821 00:43:03,785 --> 00:43:08,446 the, uh, the machine call the customer, you know, and, and qualify them. You know, 822 00:43:08,446 --> 00:43:10,866 "Do you do this? Do you have this? We need this information." You know, all that 823 00:43:10,866 --> 00:43:12,946 -kind of prequalification stuff- -Yeah 824 00:43:12,946 --> 00:43:17,446 ... before then handing off to a, an actual human to, to do the next step. So, 825 00:43:17,446 --> 00:43:22,305 interesting to see, you know, just how much is possible now with all of this 826 00:43:22,305 --> 00:43:25,555 tooling, you know, to actually make a phone call to someone. 827 00:43:25,555 --> 00:43:27,935 -Yeah. -And I think, I think his proof of concept, 828 00:43:27,935 --> 00:43:31,165 he's using Twilio at the moment as well, um, maybe. 829 00:43:31,165 --> 00:43:33,165 Probably for the program, telephony stuff, yeah. 830 00:43:33,165 --> 00:43:36,705 Yeah. For the, yeah, for the conversation, and then, like, shelling out to 831 00:43:36,705 --> 00:43:40,285 Elevenlabs to, to do, like, the actual voice gen and the end... Like, it's 832 00:43:40,285 --> 00:43:43,455 indistinguishable, uh, I haven't heard it, hasn't called me yet. 833 00:43:43,455 --> 00:43:45,185 -It is. It's amazing. -But it's, like, indistinguishable from a 834 00:43:45,185 --> 00:43:47,606 -machine. -Yeah, it's really amazing now. 835 00:43:47,606 --> 00:43:49,986 I think, you know, if you can keep the latency down- 836 00:43:49,986 --> 00:43:52,165 -That's what it is -... in terms of processing the responses 837 00:43:52,165 --> 00:43:57,486 and, and responding back to someone, then, um, you know, that'd be really cool. So, 838 00:43:57,486 --> 00:44:01,566 yes, a lot of that kinda stuff. I think, as we're coming up for air from a lot of 839 00:44:01,566 --> 00:44:07,826 the, um, work that we've been doing in terms of, uh, commercial work and in terms 840 00:44:07,826 --> 00:44:11,546 of, you know, paying down technical debt and things like that, we are this close to 841 00:44:11,546 --> 00:44:14,785 getting rid of tenancy and, and flattening everything down just to a 842 00:44:14,785 --> 00:44:20,285 single, uh, database. And, and, like, a normal, quote-unquote, Laravel application 843 00:44:20,886 --> 00:44:25,506 is, um, very good. So I'm just... I'm in the stage now where I'm just rebasing a 844 00:44:25,506 --> 00:44:29,066 couple of times a day, just to keep parity as we, as we push out a few other bits 845 00:44:29,066 --> 00:44:31,526 and pieces. And then we'll cut this across and then 846 00:44:32,285 --> 00:44:36,926 it'll be done. Makes testing so much easier, schema migration. So all of this 847 00:44:36,926 --> 00:44:41,645 stuff, now, now that all of this technical debt repayment is done, the fact that we 848 00:44:41,645 --> 00:44:43,125 have the opportunity to explore 849 00:44:44,086 --> 00:44:48,506 not just, like, using AI for the sake of AI, but how can we solve some real 850 00:44:48,506 --> 00:44:53,466 problems u- you know, leveraging AI, which is the question that I always ask every 851 00:44:53,466 --> 00:44:57,026 time. You know, the higher ups are always like, "Let's use AI, because we're gonna 852 00:44:57,026 --> 00:44:59,506 get left behind." And we're like, "What are we gonna use it for?" And they're 853 00:44:59,506 --> 00:45:03,285 like, "Well, let's use AI." Okay. Let's figure out what we can actually use it 854 00:45:03,285 --> 00:45:03,466 -for. -Right. 855 00:45:03,466 --> 00:45:04,826 So there's a couple of things that we've got- 856 00:45:04,826 --> 00:45:07,426 -Yeah, give me an objective, yeah -... um, members of the team have got on 857 00:45:07,426 --> 00:45:11,326 the go at the moment that, that look really cool that we've done, so... Yeah, 858 00:45:11,326 --> 00:45:15,375 it's, uh, it's a cool, cool time, I think. You know, as I said- 859 00:45:15,375 --> 00:45:16,685 -Yeah -... I've said before, I'm late to the 860 00:45:16,685 --> 00:45:20,466 game, but I'm, I'm starting to see some, like, very real possibilities and I'm 861 00:45:20,466 --> 00:45:23,245 starting to understand better, um, 862 00:45:24,165 --> 00:45:25,846 how we can leverage some of these tools 863 00:45:26,586 --> 00:45:31,645 as... You know, people that know what they're doing, uh, to, to, to really 864 00:45:31,645 --> 00:45:34,986 leverage them to, you know, do more. Which, you know, people have been saying 865 00:45:34,986 --> 00:45:41,424 for ages, but I, I have seen now through my own, like, usage and from... Like, 866 00:45:41,426 --> 00:45:46,566 Aaron Francis putting out his two-hour video of building his email, um, email 867 00:45:46,566 --> 00:45:50,645 builder thing, like, and seeing how he uses it, and it's actually clicked for me 868 00:45:50,645 --> 00:45:54,225 now. So, you know, I'm two years late, but better late than never I suppose. 869 00:45:54,225 --> 00:45:57,145 I'll have to check that out. I know that I heard that video was really, really good, 870 00:45:57,145 --> 00:45:59,225 I have not watched it yet, so I'll have to check that out. 871 00:45:59,225 --> 00:46:01,946 Anyone that's still on the fence, that doesn't get it, like, like me- 872 00:46:01,946 --> 00:46:04,785 -Watch that video. -Um, yeah, watch that video. I think it 873 00:46:04,785 --> 00:46:06,705 will, it will make a lot more sense when you 874 00:46:07,645 --> 00:46:08,705 understand how 875 00:46:09,366 --> 00:46:14,566 as a, as someone who's got some experience and understands how to build software, 876 00:46:14,566 --> 00:46:18,606 um... Like, I use it, every time I do a rebase now, 'cause we're on a newer 877 00:46:18,606 --> 00:46:23,826 version of PHPStan, there are things that are not violations in master or in the 878 00:46:23,826 --> 00:46:27,546 main branch that are now violations because of the newer version of PHPStan. 879 00:46:27,546 --> 00:46:30,906 -Mm. Mm-hmm. -So now what I do is I fire up Opencode and 880 00:46:30,906 --> 00:46:37,165 I say, "Hey, I've just rebased on main, I've got some PHPStan violations, can you 881 00:46:37,165 --> 00:46:41,886 have a look at what those are and propose fixes for me?" And it runs off, it runs 882 00:46:41,886 --> 00:46:44,826 Stan, it goes and figures out what the violations are, figures out how to fix 883 00:46:44,826 --> 00:46:48,725 them, and then it, you know, makes all of the changes, and then I just have to go 884 00:46:48,725 --> 00:46:50,606 through and review the, the, the, the 885 00:46:51,265 --> 00:46:54,955 changes in Git and go, "Yep, that's fine, that's fine, that's fine." And, uh, and it 886 00:46:54,955 --> 00:46:58,886 makes sure everything passes. So for me to do that, it would take an hour to go 887 00:46:58,886 --> 00:47:03,986 like, "Look at this, this obscure PHPStan error sometimes." Go, "Okay, what is this 888 00:47:03,986 --> 00:47:07,506 trying to say? Okay, how do I fix it? Where is it? How many places do I have to 889 00:47:07,506 --> 00:47:09,265 -fix it in?" Go. -Yep. 890 00:47:09,265 --> 00:47:15,035 Whereas, like, you just tell, um, Claude or, you know, Opencode, "Go and fix this," 891 00:47:15,035 --> 00:47:17,886 and it just churns in the background and you can go and do other things, which is 892 00:47:17,886 --> 00:47:21,826 nice. Which, a- again, people know this, people have been doing this for 12 months, 893 00:47:21,826 --> 00:47:26,946 18 months already, and I'm late to the party. I'm sorry. But, you know, I'm 894 00:47:26,946 --> 00:47:30,245 -fashionably late, it's fine. -No need to apologize, yeah. It's just 895 00:47:30,245 --> 00:47:35,665 that, you know, it's a young man's game, uh, or an early adopter man's game. 896 00:47:35,665 --> 00:47:36,145 -Keeping up. -You got it. 897 00:47:36,145 --> 00:47:38,886 -Yeah. -Hey folks, this is episode 181. Thanks so 898 00:47:38,886 --> 00:47:42,026 much for joining us. You can find show notes for this episode at 899 00:47:42,026 --> 00:47:46,906 northmeetsouth.audio/181. 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