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I'm Travis Bader
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long range competitions.

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a number of questions
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Perfect.

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.Com

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We put out a couple
of questions to

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people, we're asking
them about, what do

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they want to know?

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What do they want to know
to make their firearm.

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That's right.

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More precise or
more accurate and.

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Yep.

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I was thinking maybe
we should start with

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the difference between
accuracy and precision.

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I can take that one
away if you want.

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Sure.

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All right.

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Give me your ideas.

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So not even my
idea, we'll just go

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straight to Wikipedia.

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Okay, here we go.

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So accuracy is
a proximity of

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measurement results
to the true value.

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So IE.

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How close are we
to the bull's-eye?

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Sure.

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Precision is the degree
to which repeated

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or re reproducible
measurements under

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unchanged conditions
show the same results.

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IE.

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What's your grouping

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Good grouping size.

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Yeah.

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So as marksman, you want
to combine or marry both

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accuracy and precision.

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That's right.

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Nice group size,
in the bullseye.

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Exactly.

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So with those basic
definitions out of the

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way, we got a whole
slew of questions.

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Yeah we get a few.

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Yeah.

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It was good.

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A couple repeats, which
is good because it means

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that there are some
popular questions here.

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Why don't we start
off with what you

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guys got an Instagram.

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Okay.

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So.

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We had a guy by the name.

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He goes by impactshootin.

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Yeah.

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That's Pete, he's
in South Africa.

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Hey Pete, this
is for you.

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He's a, he's a bad
bad-ass PRS shooter

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down there and hunter.

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Nice.

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He shoots our barrels.

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Surprisingly enough.

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Surprisingly enough.

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Of course he does.

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Gain twist barrels.

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Is there any merit there
or marketing fluff?

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Okay.

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So I think there is merit
to gain twist barrels

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in a couple of ways.

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I think that gain
twist barrel well.

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Okay first of all,
we should probably

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explain what a gain
twist barrel is.

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That's a good
place to start.

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Yeah, okay.

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So gain twist barrel
is a barrel that starts

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at a slow twist rate
and speeds up as it

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gets to the muzzle.

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So the idea there is
that you start with

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slower rotation in
the beginning as the

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bullets entering the
rifling from the throat.

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And as it progresses down
the barrel, the twist

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rate of the barrel speeds
up to give you that

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stability at the end.

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Now, I guess the idea
is that well a couple

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of things, first of
all, it may impact the

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amount of torque that
gets put out on the

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gun, because if you're
taking a well, probably

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a heavy projectile in
particular, and you're

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jamming it into a fast
twist right off the get

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go, it may incur a bit
more recoil or a bit

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more torque on the gun.

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So that's one thing.

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So we start with a
little bit slower twist

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rate in the beginning,
the projectile enters

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that and then as it
progresses down the

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barrel, it speeds up.

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So it may impact
the torque.

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Now whether that's
reality or not, I

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I've never shot a
gain twist barrel, to

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be honest with you.

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I don't know whether
that's a factor.

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Whether it's even
measurable is another

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question maybe in the
really big calibres

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that might be.

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Didn't gain twist
start with artillery?

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I think it did yeah.

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Way back in the day.

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Like the Lee Harvey
Oswald with his

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carcano right?

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Was it car-can-o?

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Or the carc-a-no?

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Carc-a-no.

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Yeah, that's what I've
been told that it's

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properly pronounced,
but I don't know.

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Car-can-o, that's what
I always called it.

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I believe that
was a game twist.

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Was it?

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I believe so, wasnt it?

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That was a Six-five
something or

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other wasn't it?

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Yeah.

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Interesting.

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Yeah, that's probably
a whole 'nother podcast

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right there because I
have my own theories

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on what went on
with all that stuff.

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So we probably don't
want to devolve into

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that just quite yet, but.

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That would be
a fun podcast.

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Yeah, we should
because there's stuff.

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I think that people
don't understand about

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guns and you look at
the stuff that's on

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YouTube and I just shake
my head half the time.

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It wouldn't do this.

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It would do, you know,
his head would explode in

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this direction and it's
like, Oh my God, people,

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do you know anything
about internal ballistics

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or, you know, physics.

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Well, let's leave
it to the listeners.

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If you guys want to
hear about that episode.

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Yeah, let's do
a Lee Harvey.

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Yeah.

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Let's, give us an
email, comments, but

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let us know that that's
where you want to go.

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Okay.

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So back to gain twist,
so we've got somewhat

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the possibility of
recoil mitigation.

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But the one that makes
a little bit more sense

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for me is projectile
deformation, basically.

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So if you're going to
jam a projectile into

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a fast twist and torque
on it immediately, out

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of the chamber, then
I think probably the

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chances of deforming
the bullet a bit more.

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I don't really, I'm
not really sure how

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that would work, but.

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Is IBI set up to make
a gain twist neural

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do gain twist rifling?

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No, so the only
way you can do gain

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twists rifling, so
far, is through cut

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rifling and computer
controlled, cut riflers.

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With a button rifling
or any of the other

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varieties, well, you
can probably do it with

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a hammer forge, but it
might be, let's see on

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a mandrel, you might
not be able to do it on

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a hammer forge either.

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So cut rifling can cut
any twists, like the

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guys at Bartlein, you can
order a one in 7.93264.

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Hmm.

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Twist barrel and
they can do it needs,

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they programming
in a way you go.

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Right.

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With button rifling
because you're pulling

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a button through a
barrel you can't, yet.

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And it uses
that button too.

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Yeah.

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So the button pulls
through at one rate of

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speed, the twist rate
is cut into the button.

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Right.

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As well as you are also
turning the barrel at the

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same time, at the same
twist rate as the button.

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I guess another type of
rifling would be ECR.

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Have you ever
seen that done?

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I haven't.

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No.

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I was at a factory in the
States at Springfield,

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Massachusetts.

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Smith & Wesson
factory, their doin'

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pistol barrels.

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Mhmm.

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And they had, I forget
how many it was, I don't

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know maybe 80 barrels
sitting in this bath.

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I think it was
kerosene or something.

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Yeah something like that.

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Yeah.

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And they all had these
mandrels in them and

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they flipped a switch,
you see a bunch of

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bubbles come up, in about
I don't know, 15, 20

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seconds they just rifled.

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Yep.

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Those 80 barrels.

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So for those folks
that don't know

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what ECR is, this
electrochemical rifling.

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So it's kinda, what's
that type of, uh.

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Kinda like EDM?

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Yeah.

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It's like EDM.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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Exactly.

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That's basically
what I was.

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Electrostatus Discharge.

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Yeah it's kind of
the same idea so.

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I'm not sure exactly
how it works, but that

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might be something that
would be very interesting

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with really hard steals.

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For example,
machine gun barrels.

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Man have we gone way
off track here already.

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We sure did.

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How are we going
to get through all

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of these questions?

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Jeez I don't know.

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We have a lot.

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This is crazy.

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Okay.

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Well let's get
right back onto

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. 
Okay.

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Let's go back to
the gain twist.

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Yeah.

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So do you feel thumbs
up, thumbs down?

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What?

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Yeah.

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I think it has
it's validity yeah.

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So less deformation
on the bullet.

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Probably jamming it
into a hard, fast lands

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right off the get-go,
maybe better to do it a

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little more softly and
then spin it harder as it

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gets towards the muzzle.

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So I don't think
it's fluff.

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Like I said, I've
never shot one so I

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don't know whether
it's more accurate.

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I highly doubt that
it is because I'm not

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seeing any accuracy
difference between cut

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rifled, hammer forged
or buttoned overall.

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As long as you pay
attention to the other

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parts of the process
to make the barrel.

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The stress
relief process.

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Stress relieving
is a huge thing.

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And then you know, having
a hone is a huge thing.

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You can't get the
same results just by

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an lapping that you
can with at hone.

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Well, we're going to
talk about lapping as

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well later, but let's,
do you want to jump in

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top the next question?

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Okay, let's do it.

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We've got one.

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Sorry, Pete, I
blew that one.

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CRLewisContracting,
22, way to plug your

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own business here,
I love that spirit.

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That's really
smart actually.

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Nice.

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.22 long rifle.

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Your specifications
say that within

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0.0001" to 0.0002".

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One 10,000th of an inch.

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Which is extremely
consistent.

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Yep.

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Many people talk about
22 long rifle barrels

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needing a choke.

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Yep.

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With this consistency,
are your barrels

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not choked?

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And is it
really required?

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That's that's actually
a great question.

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Good job
CRLouisContracting.

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So yes, back in the day,
when they were strictly

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hand lapping barrels, you
can choke the barrel a

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bit by holding the lap a
little bit short or doing

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more strokes through the
barrel so that you get a

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bit of a pinching effect.

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Now with 22 barrels,
you're shooting

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lead projectiles.

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So as that sucker goes
down in the barrel,

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it's going to resize
basically to any tight

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spot in the barrel.

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And if it's tight
in the beginning and

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then loose towards the
muzzle, it's going to

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be like throwing a hot
dog down a hallway it's.

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Right.

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In micro terms.

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Right.

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It's going to
rattle down there.

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So the idea was that you
would choke the muzzle

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and you would make sure
that the muscle was

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the tightest part of
the bore so that, when

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that sucker leaves it's
doing its thing right?

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So with the hone, you
don't really need that

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anymore because the
bore is very consistent.

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The Sun and Guys are
the guys that make

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the hone for us.

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They say that you can
get down to a millionth

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of an inch somehow.

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I don't know
how you would.

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Wow.

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Even measure that.

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And honestly, I don't
think it really matters

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10,000ths or 2/10ths.

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That's crazy.

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Is pretty crazy, but
it's measurable so

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you can measure it.

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So as long as we have
that consistency all

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the way through the
baer, then we're finding

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that you don't really
need to have a choked.

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And we monkeyed around
with hand lapping and

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holding the laps short
so that you get a bit

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of a pinch on the end.

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And again, it's like
maybe a 10 thou or maybe

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2/10ths at the end.

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So it doesn't really
make too much difference.

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Actually you know,
there's another thing

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that people ask about 22s
all the  time and it's

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Hey, muzzle threads, I
want to, I want to either

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put a can on the end.

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I want to put a fake can.

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Sure.

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I get that a
lot in Canada.

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I want to put muzzle
break, I'm not sure why

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you would put the muzzle
break on the 22 other

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than it looks cool.

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Right.

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The LCF.

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Yeah, the LCF.

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So that's fine.

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You can do it, but I
will tell you that the

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closer you spin your
profile to the bore of

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the axis of the bore.

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So the tighter you get,
so the thinner, the

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barrel you get, the
more chance you have

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of growing the bore.

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So the bore will actually
expand a little bit.

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If you spend close to it.

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Right.

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Now, you can defeat
most of that via

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excellent stress
relieving processes.

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But it's not necessarily
the best thing to do

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on a barrel when you're
spinning half 28 threads

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on a 22 barrel, that
doesn't leave you a

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lot of meat to keep
things nice and tight

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at the muzzle, which
is the most important

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part of the 22 barrels.

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So people ask why we
don't really recommend

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threads, like you can
run them if you want.

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In our testing, we
haven't really seen too

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much difference with
threads and without.

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But at the same time,
if you're looking for

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the utmost inaccuracy,
I would probably

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avoid trying to cut
muzzle threads on

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a 22 long rifle.

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So just the process of
cutting those threads

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on a slimmer profile
barrel will cause it to,

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I guess, stress-relieve.

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Yep.

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And expand just a
minuscule amount.

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I don't know if it's
stress relieving and I'm

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not a machine is so I'm
not a hundred percent

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sure what the factor is
that causes it to grow.

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It may just be that
you're removing

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materials there.

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Right.

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And the reality is,
is we're talking about

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a few 10 thousands
of an inch in growth.

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But when you  need that
muzzle to be the tightest

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thing possible, a few
10,000's of an inch is

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probably not a great idea
to try and take away from

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the accuracy end of it.

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So I saw there was
a question on the

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schnooble there somewhere
on one of these so.

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Yeah, we'll get
to that one, but

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that'll probably.

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It kind of leads into
that so that's why we

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have that knob, lovingly
called the Schnooble.

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You call it a Schnooble?

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Well.

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I always call
it a Schnovel.

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Yeah, Schnoble is
actually the proper term,

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but the way this all
came up was when we first

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started doing it, we were
doing a barrel for Doug

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Blessin, who's a Canadian
Paralympic shooter.

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And he had a Walther
rifle and it had a

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knob on the end of it.

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And so we're like,
okay, well we gotta

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make it the same as his
existing Walther barrel.

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And I can't remember how
it came up, but somebody

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goes, what's his knob on
the end of it called and

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I'm like, I don't know.

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And so I remembered
back to my film days

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and I remember we were
talking once about the

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knob on the end of a
nice wooden stock that

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had inlaid bone and
all that kind of stuff.

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Right.

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And they had called it
well now I know they

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called it the Schnabel,
but that had been like

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probably, you know, seven
or eight, nine years ago.

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And I couldn't
remember what the

00:14:24.945 --> 00:14:25.485
heck it was called.

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And I said, I think
it's called a Schnooble.

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And Tim, the barrel
maker looks at me

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and he goes the what?

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And I said,
the Schnoodle.

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And he's like, how
do you spell that?

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And I'm like, I don't
know, just like sch

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and a bunch of O's and
Schnooble so, so the

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next time it came up,
it was spelled with

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three O's and you know,
so it just turned into

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this weird Schnooble.

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Is it common to have a
Schnooble Schnabel on

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the end of a barrel?

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Not really, nope.

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The Olympic shooters
have them on there

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for two reasons.

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Number one, to make
the barrel easily

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the right size to put
their open sites on.

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And number two, you
go back to the half

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28 threads to make
sure that the muzzle

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is the tightest.

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So they'll have that
extra large knob on the

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end to make sure that
they don't spin anywhere

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near close to the bore
so that you don't get

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any bore growth so.

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I remember about, I don't
know, 20 years ago, a guy

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came into the shop and
he had a firearm and he

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wanted it super light.

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He's like, can you drill
out the bolt handle?

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Can you flute the barrel?

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Drill the bolt handle?

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Oh yeah, everything.

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He wanted it, he's like,
I want this same light

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and all right, sure.

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Not a problem, see
what I can do right.

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And I throw it into the
milling machine, dial

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it all in, got it in a
spin index there, and I'm

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doing the fluting on it.

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And I, fellow says, Hey,
when you, when you're

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floating a barrel, just
don't go full depth on

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your first and final
cut on each flute

00:15:54.710 --> 00:15:56.670
because you're relieving
too much stress, the

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thing can come around.

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So I'm just, I spin
around and I do a little

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bit, do a little bit, and
it's like tightening the

00:16:03.470 --> 00:16:04.720
nuts on a tire, right?

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Yep.

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You'd go opposite
and go around.

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Anyways on one
of my final cuts,

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something slipped and
everything was looking

00:16:12.670 --> 00:16:13.600
great at full depth.

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And I start running, I
engage and the barrel

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wasn't indexed properly
and it starts running

00:16:19.349 --> 00:16:23.040
down and I got short
section, which is going

00:16:23.040 --> 00:16:24.849
to be wider than the
rest of the fluting.

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I was able to fix the
rest of the fluting

00:16:26.219 --> 00:16:26.589
and all look good.

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But I had this one
short, ugly section.

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I'm like, what do
I do with this?

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Right.

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Do I just give it to
the guy and say, Hey,

00:16:33.209 --> 00:16:34.749
sorry, messed up right?

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It's custom.

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That's right,
it's custom.

00:16:37.270 --> 00:16:39.000
So I thought, well
mhe wants it, he

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wants it light.

00:16:39.750 --> 00:16:42.630
So put it in the
lathe, dial it all in.

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And I just took it
off the front and

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thing looked as if
it should have been.

00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:48.330
Yeah.

00:16:48.390 --> 00:16:50.370
I'd never seen a
barrel that had a big

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lumpy, schnoble on
the end of it before.

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There you go.

00:16:53.890 --> 00:16:55.920
And I thought, well
I'll give it over,

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I'll see what he says
and if he doesn't

00:16:57.270 --> 00:16:58.850
like it, I'll just get
him a new one, right?

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Yep.

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He loved it.

00:17:01.910 --> 00:17:03.290
So he took it out to
the range and he it

00:17:03.290 --> 00:17:04.830
and I'm like, thank God
he loves this thing.

00:17:04.830 --> 00:17:06.810
I'm never going to, I
was able to fix this

00:17:06.810 --> 00:17:09.464
one and about a week
later a guy comes in,

00:17:09.464 --> 00:17:11.264
he says, Oh, I saw this
guy at the range and he

00:17:11.264 --> 00:17:13.095
had this really sweet
set up on his barrel.

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Can you do the
same thing for me?

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Yeah, of course.

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Nope.

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Yeah.

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The mistake turns
into something, yeah.

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That's right.

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Nope.

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That's the well, the
schnooble was kind

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of along those lines.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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It was like just a
silly play on words that

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just kind of stuck so.

00:17:26.224 --> 00:17:26.585
I love it.

00:17:26.675 --> 00:17:28.355
I said it to our
German distributor and

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she's like, what's a
Schnooble and I go,

00:17:31.425 --> 00:17:33.305
well it's actually
supposed to be Schnabel

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and she's like, ah,
Okay, that makes sense.

00:17:36.754 --> 00:17:38.284
But what's a Schnooble
and I'm like, I

00:17:38.284 --> 00:17:39.365
just didn't know
how to spell it.

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All right.

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I think that answers it.

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No, your barrels
aren't choked and

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it's not required.

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Yeah.

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We don't really need
it once we run the

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hone and we handle lap
on top of the home.

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Right.

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So they're super, super
consistent to the point

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where we don't, if we
get a gunsmith that,

00:17:57.169 --> 00:17:59.930
like a top end gunsmith
somewhere, for some

00:17:59.930 --> 00:18:02.030
example, phones up
and say, Hey, I need

00:18:02.030 --> 00:18:02.690
this type of barrel.

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I just pull one
off the shelf.

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There's no.

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Right.

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There's no picking or
anything like that,

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they're all the same.

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Very cool.

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Very consistent.

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Yeah.

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All right, next one.

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You have a
rattlingrancher.

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Rattlingrancher.

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Rattlingrancher,
barrel length, short

00:18:17.475 --> 00:18:19.635
or long for accuracy,
which is better?

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These are all rabbit
hole questions.

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I know.

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Here we go.

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Wait, wait for this one.

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Okay, so for accuracy,
it really depends

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in my opinion, on
what you're doing.

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What you're
trying to achieve.

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So obviously
shorter barrels are

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stiffer, stiffer
leads to accuracy.

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So in hunting rifles,
I get guys asking

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for super light, thin
barrels all the time.

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I would prefer, and
these are all guys

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that, you know, 300
metres is like, Whoa,

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that was a long shot.

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Right.

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I would prefer that they
go to a shorter barrel

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to cut the weight then
to a thinner barrel.

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Right.

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Because you get the
stiffness, you get the

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accuracy and you're not
really losing too much

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in velocity if you went
from say a 24 inch barrel

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to a 20 inch barrel or
more, or even shorter.

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I mean, we've got this
weird trend right now,

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the guys are doing 12
and 1/2 inch, 308's.

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Right.

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And putting, the guys
at Reliable, put them

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on their like Savage
axis and all this

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kind of stuff and.

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Big fat barrels,
but short.

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Well I mean, some of
them are fat, but I

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mean, they're short, but
they're still profiled.

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They still got a
profile on them, but

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they're light anyways.

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And they shoot great
out to about 200

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metres, I think.

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Right.

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So the question is short
or long for accuracy.

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So I think for
for accuracy, it

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doesn't matter.

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For precision,
probably shorter and

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fatter is better.

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Although if you look
at the target rifle

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guys and F class guys,
for example, their

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barrels are all pretty
much on the F class

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side they're anywhere
up to about 30 inches.

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Right.

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And on the FTR side, they
can be anywhere up to

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32, 31 somewhere in there
or the F open I mean.

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So those guys are trying
to extract accuracy, but

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they're also trying to
keep the velocity where

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it cuts through the
wind, because they're

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trying to, they're
trying to smack a target

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that's anywhere between
600 and a thousand

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yards or metres away.

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So having extra
velocity, helping you

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cut through the wind is
going to be the thing.

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So on the question
there, rattlingrancher,

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I would say it really
depends on what you're

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trying to achieve
with your barrel,

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or with your rifle.

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If you're shooting long
range, added velocity is

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probably a good thing.

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If you're shooting short
range, 300 metres, maybe

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400 metres, probably
shorter and stiffer

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might be the way to go.

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Mhmm.

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But for me, I think
in the PRS game you

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know, 24, 26 is fine.

00:20:51.430 --> 00:20:54.440
You don't really need
anything that's super,

00:20:54.440 --> 00:20:55.690
super long for that game.

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Because the reality is,
is you're not trying

00:20:57.580 --> 00:20:59.629
to hit a half MOA
at a thousand metres

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you're trying to hit
six, five or six MOA.

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Right.

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And all you gotta do
is make a hit on it,

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doesn't even have to
be in the middle so.

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So there's your answer.

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Depends.

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That was sort of all
over the place wasn't it?

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It depends.

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What if you had the
shorter barrel, but

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a faster powder burn.

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Well, I mean, there's
always ways that you

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can modify things right?

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Right.

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So if you're trying
to get more velocity,

00:21:20.970 --> 00:21:22.950
you can always change
your powder, but the

00:21:22.950 --> 00:21:24.930
action has to be able
to handle it and the

00:21:24.930 --> 00:21:26.610
casing has to be able
to handle it as well.

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So it's not like you can
super hot rod your 308 in

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a 12 and 1/2 inch barrel
to get it going 3000 feet

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per second, it's probably
not going to happen.

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You'd probably blow
your gun up, but I

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mean, there's so many
new powders out there.

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You should definitely
experiment to see what

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you can get out of it.

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Because of a powder that
works good in an a 24 or

00:21:45.265 --> 00:21:47.895
a 32 inch barrel may or
may not work really well

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in a super short barrel.

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So you may want to
play with some, maybe

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some little hotter, a
little faster powder,

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see where it goes.

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Do we want to digress for
a second and talk about.

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Again.

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Why.

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Talk about why.

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Sure.

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A different powders
like produce

00:22:02.495 --> 00:22:03.095
different results?

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Yeah, I mean, I'm not
sure I'm an expert on

00:22:05.775 --> 00:22:06.405
that kind of thing.

00:22:06.405 --> 00:22:07.605
I can give you
my opinion, but.

00:22:07.605 --> 00:22:07.845
Sure.

00:22:08.805 --> 00:22:11.535
Yeah, so obviously
different powders have

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different burn rates.

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So as you go to a shorter
barrel, you want to try

00:22:15.600 --> 00:22:17.920
and make sure that the
powder is completely

00:22:17.920 --> 00:22:20.220
burned within the barrel
and that you're not

00:22:20.220 --> 00:22:23.190
ejecting unspent powder
or unburnt powder out

00:22:23.190 --> 00:22:25.409
of the muzzle, which
in winter time you can

00:22:25.409 --> 00:22:27.530
actually see that at
the range sometimes.

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Yeah.

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You see black specks
in the snow in front

00:22:31.035 --> 00:22:32.584
of your target and
that's probably unburned

00:22:32.584 --> 00:22:34.695
powder more than likely
dumping into the snow.

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So the idea is to try and
to get a complete burn

00:22:37.755 --> 00:22:39.705
in the barrel, while the
projectile is still in

00:22:39.705 --> 00:22:41.355
the barrel, so that you
build up as much pressure

00:22:41.355 --> 00:22:43.175
on it as much velocity
as you possibly can.

00:22:43.955 --> 00:22:46.195
Wouldn't this
basically come down

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to barrel harmonics.

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Oh for sure.

00:22:48.255 --> 00:22:48.765
Definitely.

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But I mean, there's a
lot of velocity stuff

00:22:50.385 --> 00:22:51.075
in there as well.

00:22:51.195 --> 00:22:53.145
The harmonic thing is
kind of a combination

00:22:53.145 --> 00:22:55.725
between the bullet and
all the loading processes

00:22:55.725 --> 00:22:56.505
and all that stuff.

00:22:56.655 --> 00:22:57.015
Okay.

00:22:57.075 --> 00:22:57.495
As well.

00:22:57.975 --> 00:22:59.125
Well, rattlingrancher.

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There we go.

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We did a bit of
rattling on that one.

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We sure did.

00:23:03.585 --> 00:23:05.965
Then we got a Kris Feng.

00:23:06.105 --> 00:23:08.895
Finally, I think this
is a normal username.

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Oh, there we go.

00:23:09.615 --> 00:23:09.825
Yep.

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Who's got two here
it looks like.

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So first one.

00:23:13.335 --> 00:23:15.825
They say that you
need a straight barrel

00:23:15.825 --> 00:23:17.145
bore for accuracy.

00:23:17.865 --> 00:23:18.915
Is this true?

00:23:19.755 --> 00:23:21.075
How straight is the bore?

00:23:21.285 --> 00:23:24.225
I thought after drilling,
boring and rifling the

00:23:24.225 --> 00:23:26.655
OD, or outside diameter,
of the barrel would be

00:23:26.655 --> 00:23:29.365
machine concentric to
the bore between centres,

00:23:29.385 --> 00:23:31.425
therefore the bore should
really be straight.

00:23:31.905 --> 00:23:34.455
So all barrels should
be very similar in

00:23:34.455 --> 00:23:35.745
tolerance and dimensions.

00:23:36.165 --> 00:23:38.815
So that was one big
run-on multi question.

00:23:38.885 --> 00:23:41.455
So let's break it down
into pieces for Kris.

00:23:41.475 --> 00:23:43.755
So you need a straight
barrel bore for

00:23:43.755 --> 00:23:44.895
accuracy, is it true?

00:23:45.255 --> 00:23:50.395
Well I have seen
thin hunting barrels

00:23:50.395 --> 00:23:53.585
that were basically
bowed in the middle.

00:23:54.635 --> 00:23:57.735
So I mean, it's very
slight, but at the

00:23:57.735 --> 00:24:00.015
same time, back in
the day, they used to

00:24:00.015 --> 00:24:02.524
have guys that would
actually bend barrels.

00:24:02.524 --> 00:24:04.845
They would come off the
lathe or whatever and

00:24:05.535 --> 00:24:07.545
these old guys in their
eighties, they'd look at

00:24:07.545 --> 00:24:08.985
it and they'd hold it up
to the light and they'd

00:24:09.195 --> 00:24:11.195
look down the bore and
spin it a little bit.

00:24:11.595 --> 00:24:11.965
Yeah.

00:24:11.965 --> 00:24:14.235
Take it over to you
know, some sort of

00:24:14.235 --> 00:24:14.985
a bending press.

00:24:14.985 --> 00:24:16.545
And then they'd just
give it a little couple

00:24:16.545 --> 00:24:18.435
of paps here and there,
and then they'd stick

00:24:18.435 --> 00:24:20.925
it up to the light again
and have a look and see.

00:24:20.925 --> 00:24:22.415
So they try to make
them as straight

00:24:22.415 --> 00:24:23.195
as possible, but.

00:24:23.345 --> 00:24:24.485
So does it need
to be straight?

00:24:24.515 --> 00:24:25.145
Well, I mean.

00:24:25.335 --> 00:24:28.045
Yeah, I mean it does
need to be straight

00:24:28.945 --> 00:24:31.840
and we try and spin
concentric to the bore

00:24:32.350 --> 00:24:33.890
with very little run-out.

00:24:34.730 --> 00:24:36.580
But you are going to get
a little bit of run out

00:24:36.580 --> 00:24:37.930
no matter what you are.

00:24:37.990 --> 00:24:39.790
I mean, I've seen hunting
barrels that have 70

00:24:39.790 --> 00:24:42.080
foul run out and guys are
like, yeah, that's fine.

00:24:42.380 --> 00:24:42.610
Yeah.

00:24:42.870 --> 00:24:43.230
Whatever.

00:24:43.420 --> 00:24:45.740
And if you're spinning
it between centres,

00:24:45.760 --> 00:24:47.960
the chamber end, this
is kind of where I

00:24:47.980 --> 00:24:49.780
was going, the chamber
end and the muzzle

00:24:49.780 --> 00:24:51.820
end are on centers, so
there may be a bit of

00:24:51.820 --> 00:24:53.080
a bow in the center.

00:24:53.080 --> 00:24:53.170
Right.

00:24:53.470 --> 00:24:55.180
So the reality is it
doesn't really matter

00:24:55.180 --> 00:24:57.370
what happens in the
middle as much as

00:24:57.670 --> 00:25:01.060
making sure that the
ends are on center and

00:25:01.060 --> 00:25:02.110
then you can spin it.

00:25:02.430 --> 00:25:02.820
Right.

00:25:02.970 --> 00:25:05.220
The Germans, they
made their corner shot

00:25:05.220 --> 00:25:06.120
type rifles too right.

00:25:06.120 --> 00:25:06.570
Those ones that.

00:25:06.570 --> 00:25:06.830
Yeah.

00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:07.710
Shootin' around
the corner.

00:25:07.710 --> 00:25:07.950
Yeah.

00:25:07.950 --> 00:25:08.230
That's right.

00:25:08.430 --> 00:25:10.260
Those definitely had
some curve to them.

00:25:10.290 --> 00:25:10.900
A little bit of curve.

00:25:10.900 --> 00:25:12.870
I think MythBusters
actually did that one.

00:25:12.870 --> 00:25:13.210
They saw.

00:25:13.210 --> 00:25:13.480
Did they?

00:25:13.600 --> 00:25:15.600
Yeah with a 22, and
I can't remember, I

00:25:15.600 --> 00:25:17.550
think it was a rifle,
but they bent it and

00:25:17.550 --> 00:25:19.560
it was past 90 degrees
and it's still shot.

00:25:19.800 --> 00:25:20.340
Wow.

00:25:20.370 --> 00:25:21.870
Yeah, that was
pretty cool episode.

00:25:22.590 --> 00:25:23.610
I never caught that one.

00:25:23.610 --> 00:25:24.220
I'll have to watch it.

00:25:24.220 --> 00:25:24.880
Yeah, you gotta
check it out.

00:25:25.170 --> 00:25:26.970
Kris Feng's got a
second question here.

00:25:27.345 --> 00:25:30.345
He says, is there such a
thing as a hummer barrel

00:25:30.695 --> 00:25:31.535
as a hummer barrel?

00:25:31.685 --> 00:25:33.065
Yeah, I think
there probably is.

00:25:33.755 --> 00:25:35.075
Let's tell them what
a hummer barrel is for

00:25:35.075 --> 00:25:35.755
those that don't know.

00:25:35.815 --> 00:25:37.145
So a hummer barrel
is just a barrel

00:25:37.145 --> 00:25:37.845
that just shoots.

00:25:38.225 --> 00:25:38.605
Yeah.

00:25:38.925 --> 00:25:43.125
It's kind of this unicorn
kind of thing that

00:25:43.295 --> 00:25:45.425
people get they'll, you
know, if you look at

00:25:45.425 --> 00:25:48.995
the top end of shooting
a bench rest, F class,

00:25:49.025 --> 00:25:51.245
target rifle guys,
they'll buy more than

00:25:51.245 --> 00:25:52.265
one barrel at a time.

00:25:52.659 --> 00:25:54.659
They'll get them all
screwed on chambered up

00:25:54.659 --> 00:25:57.600
and headspace properly,
and then they'll shoot

00:25:57.600 --> 00:25:59.490
them all and see which
one shoots the best

00:25:59.490 --> 00:26:02.040
and that'll be their
competition barrel.

00:26:03.210 --> 00:26:04.679
That would be kind
of the hummer barrel.

00:26:05.290 --> 00:26:09.240
And then they'll take
that one off and put

00:26:09.240 --> 00:26:11.340
it away and only shoot
it in competitions.

00:26:11.659 --> 00:26:12.409
Ahh yeah.

00:26:12.409 --> 00:26:14.610
So what makes a
hummer barrel?

00:26:14.639 --> 00:26:15.419
I haven't got a clue.

00:26:15.570 --> 00:26:16.050
I don't know.

00:26:16.080 --> 00:26:20.190
I think sometimes just
the stars align and

00:26:20.850 --> 00:26:23.429
you know, pixie dust
gets sprinkled on it.

00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:23.679
Right.

00:26:23.679 --> 00:26:27.760
A unicorn farts in its
general direction and

00:26:27.760 --> 00:26:31.530
it basically is just
a barrel that all the,

00:26:31.530 --> 00:26:34.020
everything is perfect
and it shoots and

00:26:34.020 --> 00:26:35.969
it doesn't take much
to get it to shoot.

00:26:35.969 --> 00:26:40.000
I don't know.

00:26:40.500 --> 00:26:44.220
With our stuff, we get
sent pictures of groups

00:26:44.220 --> 00:26:47.670
and things that, I don't
even know how the guys

00:26:47.670 --> 00:26:48.480
shoot those groups.

00:26:48.570 --> 00:26:50.130
Like I can never shoot
groups like that to

00:26:50.140 --> 00:26:51.960
groups in the ones
in the low twos.

00:26:52.320 --> 00:26:52.800
Right.

00:26:53.560 --> 00:26:54.370
Point one, like.

00:26:54.370 --> 00:26:55.450
That's crazy.

00:26:55.470 --> 00:26:57.450
The guys at PGW sent
me a group the other

00:26:57.450 --> 00:27:01.650
day that we did for a
6BR Norma and it was a

00:27:01.650 --> 00:27:04.110
0.187 five shot group.

00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:04.980
Holy crow.

00:27:05.100 --> 00:27:06.540
And I'm like, holy
smokes, I could

00:27:06.540 --> 00:27:08.550
never do that, but I
would classify that

00:27:08.550 --> 00:27:09.190
as a hummer barrel.

00:27:09.580 --> 00:27:09.910
Ahh yeah.

00:27:10.140 --> 00:27:10.740
But we probably.

00:27:10.740 --> 00:27:11.680
And that's an IBI barrel.

00:27:11.710 --> 00:27:12.240
That was ours.

00:27:12.270 --> 00:27:12.480
Yeah.

00:27:12.550 --> 00:27:12.800
Yeah.

00:27:12.800 --> 00:27:14.250
Yeah, I'll take
credit for that one.

00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:15.540
There you go.

00:27:16.000 --> 00:27:17.250
We get sent stuff
like that all the

00:27:17.250 --> 00:27:18.929
time so I don't know.

00:27:18.959 --> 00:27:21.860
Maybe it's combination
of good stress-relieving,

00:27:22.129 --> 00:27:23.600
good steel to begin with.

00:27:23.780 --> 00:27:27.290
And then just focusing
on all the processes

00:27:27.290 --> 00:27:29.360
to make the barrel
as good as possible.

00:27:29.360 --> 00:27:31.129
Like we don't skip
any steps, we don't

00:27:31.129 --> 00:27:31.939
change anything.

00:27:32.019 --> 00:27:34.189
Every barrel that comes
through our shop gets

00:27:34.189 --> 00:27:35.030
the same treatment.

00:27:35.030 --> 00:27:37.580
So maybe that's the
reason why we, we see

00:27:37.580 --> 00:27:40.290
lots of hummers on the
Facebook user page and

00:27:40.290 --> 00:27:41.100
all that kind of stuff.

00:27:42.060 --> 00:27:43.229
Precision tolerances.

00:27:43.439 --> 00:27:43.679
Yeah.

00:27:44.529 --> 00:27:45.819
Headspacing, I mean.

00:27:45.939 --> 00:27:47.540
And chambering
was sharp tools.

00:27:47.540 --> 00:27:48.139
Like, you know.

00:27:48.260 --> 00:27:49.459
That makes a
huge difference.

00:27:49.490 --> 00:27:50.629
Let's do the
right thing right.

00:27:50.689 --> 00:27:50.949
Right.

00:27:51.169 --> 00:27:51.379
Yeah.

00:27:52.389 --> 00:27:54.949
On the headspacing,
are you getting them as

00:27:54.949 --> 00:27:55.899
tight as you can and?

00:27:55.899 --> 00:28:00.765
Not necessarily no, it
depends on,what the guy

00:28:00.765 --> 00:28:01.995
wants to do with it.

00:28:02.885 --> 00:28:05.805
For the most part we
try and make them fairly

00:28:05.805 --> 00:28:07.305
tight, but we're not
going to make them overly

00:28:07.305 --> 00:28:09.295
tight so that they're
only tight on closing.

00:28:09.495 --> 00:28:09.765
Right.

00:28:09.765 --> 00:28:11.775
But if we get somebody
that says, Hey, you know,

00:28:11.775 --> 00:28:13.275
I want you to hold it
a little bit short, or,

00:28:13.275 --> 00:28:14.785
you know, I want you
to make the headspacing

00:28:14.865 --> 00:28:15.915
as tight as possible.

00:28:16.775 --> 00:28:18.275
Okay, sure, we can do it.

00:28:19.175 --> 00:28:21.215
And headspacing for
those who don't know is.

00:28:21.455 --> 00:28:25.440
It's basically the
relationship between

00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:27.870
the bolt face and how
far into the chamber

00:28:27.870 --> 00:28:28.770
the cartridge goes.

00:28:28.800 --> 00:28:28.940
Right.

00:28:28.960 --> 00:28:30.890
And how it butts up
against the shoulder

00:28:30.890 --> 00:28:32.160
of the chamber.

00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:34.260
You have to be able
to close the bolt.

00:28:34.500 --> 00:28:36.960
So, but it can't be
loose at the same

00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:38.640
time cause then you
destroy your cases.

00:28:39.970 --> 00:28:40.330
Perfect.

00:28:40.330 --> 00:28:42.770
Want to jump
over to Reddit?

00:28:42.980 --> 00:28:43.310
Sure.

00:28:43.430 --> 00:28:43.970
Okay.

00:28:45.040 --> 00:28:49.040
user Elendal,
E-L-E-N-D-A-L asks.

00:28:49.770 --> 00:28:50.429
I'm curious.

00:28:50.520 --> 00:28:51.179
Oh, here we go.

00:28:51.479 --> 00:28:53.459
What's the purpose of
a shnobel on a barrel?

00:28:54.419 --> 00:28:58.170
Well, Elendal you left
out about three O's

00:28:58.170 --> 00:29:00.080
in the pronouncing
of Schnooble.

00:29:01.650 --> 00:29:03.720
I think we kind of
went through it all in

00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:04.440
the beginning there.

00:29:04.470 --> 00:29:04.870
I think so.

00:29:04.870 --> 00:29:08.000
It was kind of a goofy
thing, but in the 22 long

00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:11.390
rifle barrels, because
you want the muzzle to

00:29:11.390 --> 00:29:14.460
be the tightest part
of the barrel and you

00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:18.560
can cause a bore growth
by spinning close to

00:29:18.560 --> 00:29:22.000
the muzzle or by close
to the bore dimension,

00:29:22.050 --> 00:29:24.830
then we just left it a
little bit big on the

00:29:24.830 --> 00:29:28.050
muzzle end to ensure
that there's no growth.

00:29:28.090 --> 00:29:28.430
Beauty.

00:29:29.185 --> 00:29:31.465
Now we've got a
Troycifer_tron

00:29:32.335 --> 00:29:36.745
asks any plans on a
barrel in 6.5 PRC.

00:29:36.975 --> 00:29:40.605
Well, we had a lot of
plans on those about

00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:41.880
eight months ago.

00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:43.230
So you're about
eight months behind.

00:29:43.230 --> 00:29:46.170
We've been making 6.5
PRC barrels for ages now.

00:29:46.200 --> 00:29:46.680
There you go.

00:29:46.680 --> 00:29:47.700
I figured you were
already on it.

00:29:47.700 --> 00:29:49.760
Yeah, it's a pretty
cool calibre too.

00:29:50.370 --> 00:29:52.620
That and the 300 PRC
are both pretty neat.

00:29:53.130 --> 00:29:55.500
I might actually have
to build a gun on that.

00:29:55.560 --> 00:29:58.680
But yes we can, we can
spin you a seven and

00:29:58.680 --> 00:30:01.140
a half twist, which is
good for all the big

00:30:01.170 --> 00:30:05.630
bullets, but it'll still
spin 130's+ no problem.

00:30:06.710 --> 00:30:09.640
But if you go to a
bigger 65 bullet,

00:30:10.030 --> 00:30:12.000
the seven and a half
twists will spin it.

00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:12.540
No problem.

00:30:13.260 --> 00:30:14.040
So, yup.

00:30:14.250 --> 00:30:14.490
Okay.

00:30:14.490 --> 00:30:17.490
65 PRC's are already
in the cooker so.

00:30:17.850 --> 00:30:18.240
Beauty.

00:30:18.660 --> 00:30:19.210
Give us a holler.

00:30:20.610 --> 00:30:21.840
Dane-Atello.

00:30:22.360 --> 00:30:23.000
Dane-Atello.

00:30:23.140 --> 00:30:26.450
Dane-Atello asks, is
there any accuracy

00:30:26.450 --> 00:30:28.340
or other differences
between the number of

00:30:28.400 --> 00:30:29.960
grooves a barrel has?

00:30:31.710 --> 00:30:32.160
Hmm.

00:30:32.190 --> 00:30:33.750
Well, I think if
you asked probably a

00:30:33.750 --> 00:30:35.370
hundred people that
question, you'd probably

00:30:35.370 --> 00:30:36.540
get about a hundred
different answers.

00:30:36.540 --> 00:30:36.940
I agree.

00:30:37.120 --> 00:30:37.290
Yeah.

00:30:37.450 --> 00:30:40.159
But I haven't
really seen any.

00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:44.290
We cut most of our
barrels, with 5R

00:30:44.310 --> 00:30:45.150
as the standard.

00:30:45.900 --> 00:30:47.469
The only one that
we don't cut in 5R

00:30:47.469 --> 00:30:49.129
yet is the 6 mills.

00:30:49.470 --> 00:30:50.970
And I get asked the
question, how come you

00:30:50.970 --> 00:30:53.920
don't do the 6mils in 5R?

00:30:53.940 --> 00:30:56.730
And the answer is because
I'd only ever shot a four

00:30:56.740 --> 00:31:00.390
group before and I needed
to sort of base it, the

00:31:00.390 --> 00:31:02.280
accuracy on something
that I had already

00:31:02.280 --> 00:31:03.010
kind of dealt with.

00:31:04.150 --> 00:31:08.280
So I just went with four
groove and it works good.

00:31:08.340 --> 00:31:10.020
We'll probably going
to get a 5R going

00:31:10.020 --> 00:31:12.885
here pretty soon
for some testing and

00:31:12.885 --> 00:31:13.655
see how that works.

00:31:13.975 --> 00:31:17.685
As far as accuracy goes,
no, the answer is it's

00:31:17.705 --> 00:31:19.965
no, basically I haven't
seen any differences as

00:31:19.965 --> 00:31:21.075
far as accuracy goes.

00:31:21.675 --> 00:31:23.415
Where I do see a bit of a
differences in cleaning.

00:31:24.145 --> 00:31:29.545
The 5R style rifling
seems to clean up a

00:31:29.595 --> 00:31:32.405
little easier and that's
just, I think because of

00:31:32.405 --> 00:31:35.485
the shape of the lands
and grooves, they're a

00:31:35.485 --> 00:31:37.264
little bit different,
they're more trapezoidal

00:31:37.284 --> 00:31:39.415
than square on the edges
so there's less places

00:31:39.415 --> 00:31:41.105
for stuff to hide.

00:31:41.995 --> 00:31:43.185
That makes sense.

00:31:43.215 --> 00:31:43.455
Yep.

00:31:43.514 --> 00:31:46.185
And I think, one thing
that I've noticed is

00:31:46.185 --> 00:31:48.284
a lot of people say,
Hey, I know you guys

00:31:48.284 --> 00:31:51.465
are little bit faster
than what I'm used to.

00:31:51.615 --> 00:31:53.264
I reached the same
velocities I was

00:31:53.264 --> 00:31:56.534
trying to get, trying
to find a note at,

00:31:56.534 --> 00:31:57.435
with less powder.

00:31:57.435 --> 00:32:00.480
So I have a feeling
that the 5R rifling

00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:03.150
because of its design,
maybe a little bit

00:32:03.150 --> 00:32:04.080
faster as well.

00:32:04.300 --> 00:32:05.120
Interesting.

00:32:06.270 --> 00:32:06.700
Overall.

00:32:07.090 --> 00:32:07.570
Interesting.

00:32:07.570 --> 00:32:08.040
Maybe a bit yeah.

00:32:08.969 --> 00:32:09.179
All right.

00:32:09.889 --> 00:32:11.459
That's a Dane-Atello.

00:32:11.540 --> 00:32:11.780
Yep.

00:32:12.590 --> 00:32:13.159
Oh here you go.

00:32:13.350 --> 00:32:16.020
H3llfir3pho3nix and all
the E's are three's.

00:32:16.070 --> 00:32:16.340
Yeah.

00:32:16.969 --> 00:32:20.030
Asks, is there any
truth at all to

00:32:20.030 --> 00:32:21.080
barrel break-in?

00:32:21.709 --> 00:32:24.379
It always struck me as
an extreme fudd lore,

00:32:24.740 --> 00:32:26.659
but if there's actual
science behind it,

00:32:26.659 --> 00:32:27.590
I'd love to hear that.

00:32:27.800 --> 00:32:27.949
Okay.

00:32:28.550 --> 00:32:30.020
I think there's a
lot of lore around

00:32:30.020 --> 00:32:30.740
barrel break-in.

00:32:32.149 --> 00:32:34.965
I think a lot of it
was started by barrel

00:32:34.965 --> 00:32:37.725
manufacturers back in
the day, to get you to

00:32:37.935 --> 00:32:40.245
burn up a lot of barrel
life, trying to make

00:32:40.245 --> 00:32:42.315
the thing, you know,
do all this mythical,

00:32:44.025 --> 00:32:45.185
shoot one, clean one.

00:32:45.185 --> 00:32:45.305
Yeah, yeah.

00:32:45.305 --> 00:32:47.915
And shoot five, clean
five and blah, blah,

00:32:48.005 --> 00:32:49.595
and on and on before,
you know it, you got a

00:32:49.605 --> 00:32:50.715
hundred rounds through
the thing and you

00:32:50.715 --> 00:32:52.545
have never even fired
one at a target yet.

00:32:52.545 --> 00:32:52.675
Yeah.

00:32:53.495 --> 00:32:56.235
So that takes away
from your actual

00:32:56.235 --> 00:32:57.135
barrel life use.

00:32:57.705 --> 00:32:59.895
So I think there
is some of that.

00:32:59.895 --> 00:33:03.475
There may also have
been somewhere, maybe

00:33:03.475 --> 00:33:06.085
you need some examples
where you need a bit of

00:33:06.085 --> 00:33:09.625
a break in because the
tooling used to cut the

00:33:09.625 --> 00:33:13.265
chamber might not have
been as sharp or as good

00:33:13.455 --> 00:33:14.845
as it could  have been
and there might've been

00:33:14.845 --> 00:33:17.395
some edges or something
along those lines.

00:33:18.955 --> 00:33:21.535
I've tried both ways
on a multitude of

00:33:21.535 --> 00:33:23.755
different barrels from
different manufacturers.

00:33:23.755 --> 00:33:25.315
And I personally
have never seen any

00:33:25.315 --> 00:33:29.909
difference, in the just
take it out and shoot

00:33:29.909 --> 00:33:32.250
a crowd or the shoot
one clean one for a

00:33:32.250 --> 00:33:33.180
hundred kind of thing.

00:33:33.899 --> 00:33:35.100
And I've done
it both ways.

00:33:35.520 --> 00:33:38.610
I think the reality of
that is, whatever gives

00:33:38.610 --> 00:33:41.870
you the mental confidence
to be happy with , your

00:33:42.290 --> 00:33:44.280
barrel so that you're
not thinking about that

00:33:44.340 --> 00:33:46.560
as a possible reason
why you can't shoot.

00:33:47.340 --> 00:33:49.590
I think you should fill
your boots, whatever way,

00:33:49.830 --> 00:33:50.620
blows your hair back.

00:33:50.770 --> 00:33:55.980
But for me, I just go
by what I see and if you

00:33:56.879 --> 00:33:59.580
look at all the pictures
and stuff on the user

00:33:59.580 --> 00:34:02.070
page that people send
us, like I just had one

00:34:02.070 --> 00:34:03.690
the other day and it
was, this is the first

00:34:03.690 --> 00:34:06.600
five shots out of this
barrel, period and they

00:34:06.600 --> 00:34:08.070
all went into like 0.5.

00:34:08.219 --> 00:34:08.699
Right.

00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:12.509
So, I mean, you know,
with no load development,

00:34:12.509 --> 00:34:15.150
factory ammo, if
you're shooting 0.5 on

00:34:15.150 --> 00:34:16.800
the first five shots
out of the barrel.

00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:17.610
You're doing okay.

00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:18.430
You're doing fine.

00:34:19.160 --> 00:34:21.360
So for, people ask
all the time, this

00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:23.659
is a question we get
asked a lot and my

00:34:23.659 --> 00:34:25.909
answer is generally
don't worry about it.

00:34:25.909 --> 00:34:28.760
Just take it out,
shoot it, shoot your 30

00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:30.830
rounds or 40 rounds or
whatever you're shooting

00:34:30.830 --> 00:34:33.020
the first day range,
don't worry about it.

00:34:33.590 --> 00:34:35.389
Then take it home and
give it a good scrub out.

00:34:35.389 --> 00:34:37.639
Use some Wipe Out,
scrub it down to the

00:34:37.990 --> 00:34:42.330
you know, to the bare
metal and then carry

00:34:42.330 --> 00:34:43.170
on after that and then.

00:34:44.130 --> 00:34:45.120
You know, I think
you nailed it.

00:34:45.420 --> 00:34:46.680
I think you nailed
it on the head there.

00:34:46.740 --> 00:34:48.510
You hit the head, hit
the nail on the head,

00:34:48.510 --> 00:34:49.240
hammered on the head.

00:34:49.410 --> 00:34:50.410
Hammer, hammer
the nail on the.

00:34:50.410 --> 00:34:51.780
I knew, I knew
where you're goin.

00:34:51.900 --> 00:34:52.930
You nailed it.

00:34:52.930 --> 00:34:53.830
On the confidence thing.

00:34:53.830 --> 00:34:54.430
Bout the confidence.

00:34:54.430 --> 00:34:54.490
Yeah.

00:34:54.510 --> 00:34:54.770
Yeah.

00:34:54.889 --> 00:34:55.220
Totally.

00:34:55.310 --> 00:34:55.490
Yeah.

00:34:55.490 --> 00:34:57.800
I'm a very big
believer in that.

00:34:58.190 --> 00:34:59.750
If you believe that
your gun's going to do

00:34:59.750 --> 00:35:00.650
what it's got to do.

00:35:00.680 --> 00:35:01.130
Exactly.

00:35:01.160 --> 00:35:02.300
That's a huge part
of the battle.

00:35:02.300 --> 00:35:04.520
Well, not only that, I
mean, if you're having

00:35:04.520 --> 00:35:07.700
issues and you're trying
to iron out those issues,

00:35:07.700 --> 00:35:10.430
the last bloody thing
is, you don't need to be

00:35:10.430 --> 00:35:12.320
wondering if you should
have cleaned it a certain

00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:13.040
way in the beginning.

00:35:13.070 --> 00:35:13.370
Right.

00:35:13.550 --> 00:35:16.640
In order to extract
more accuracy out of it.

00:35:17.150 --> 00:35:19.910
So whatever works for
you the best, if you

00:35:19.910 --> 00:35:21.890
want to clean the crap
out of it for the first

00:35:21.890 --> 00:35:24.540
150 shots, fill your
boots, that's good,

00:35:24.790 --> 00:35:26.660
I'll sell you another
barrel afterwards.

00:35:27.530 --> 00:35:30.890
But for me, it's not
really even a thing

00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:31.370
I don't even bother.

00:35:31.390 --> 00:35:32.450
Is there any more, right?

00:35:33.460 --> 00:35:33.670
Yeah.

00:35:34.250 --> 00:35:35.410
So next question.

00:35:35.710 --> 00:35:35.950
Okay.

00:35:36.930 --> 00:35:39.720
User
leadpoisonedbrad asks

00:35:39.759 --> 00:35:40.080
I hope not.

00:35:40.100 --> 00:35:41.339
No kidding.

00:35:42.299 --> 00:35:45.560
He says, exactly how
"international" is IBI?

00:35:45.990 --> 00:35:46.379
I see.

00:35:46.589 --> 00:35:49.109
I expect most of your
business is with Canada

00:35:49.109 --> 00:35:51.870
and US, d'all have
much business in other

00:35:51.870 --> 00:35:53.339
markets, Europe / Asia?

00:35:54.450 --> 00:35:57.370
So International Barrels
surprisingly enough,

00:35:57.440 --> 00:35:59.670
is quite international.

00:36:00.170 --> 00:36:04.810
We have a huge presence
in Australia and we are

00:36:04.830 --> 00:36:09.240
gaining a lot of presence
in, probably the second

00:36:09.240 --> 00:36:11.370
biggest place after
Canada, well, maybe in

00:36:11.370 --> 00:36:13.020
Australia is Scandinavia.

00:36:13.540 --> 00:36:13.840
Right.

00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:18.800
So we've caught on like
fire over there and

00:36:19.250 --> 00:36:20.910
it's going gangbusters.

00:36:20.940 --> 00:36:25.350
We have probably a couple
of gunsmiths in Sweden,

00:36:25.620 --> 00:36:28.350
we have the top guy
was using our barrels.

00:36:28.350 --> 00:36:31.290
We have a couple of big
companies and one of the

00:36:31.290 --> 00:36:33.990
top gunsmiths in Norway,
that's using our stuff.

00:36:34.020 --> 00:36:35.370
We've sent barrels
to Finland.

00:36:36.460 --> 00:36:37.319
Wow.

00:36:38.259 --> 00:36:39.870
Denmark I've
sent barrels to.

00:36:42.630 --> 00:36:44.609
Yeah, I think, I think
that's pretty much it.

00:36:44.640 --> 00:36:46.500
So the answer
is, yeah, we send

00:36:46.500 --> 00:36:47.370
barrels all the time.

00:36:48.419 --> 00:36:50.910
I would say Scandinavia
is probably the

00:36:50.910 --> 00:36:51.540
third biggest.

00:36:51.540 --> 00:36:54.669
Australia, we send a
lot to, we deal with

00:36:54.690 --> 00:36:57.509
Cleaver firearms down
there and they pumped

00:36:57.509 --> 00:36:59.430
through barrels like
there's no tomorrow.

00:36:59.509 --> 00:37:00.779
And then they catch
on really well.

00:37:00.779 --> 00:37:03.540
So believe it or
not at the moment,

00:37:03.629 --> 00:37:05.569
probably our smallest
market is the US.

00:37:05.985 --> 00:37:06.495
Really?

00:37:06.525 --> 00:37:06.825
Yeah.

00:37:06.825 --> 00:37:09.045
Which is kind
of a weird one.

00:37:09.315 --> 00:37:10.565
So just export reg's or?

00:37:10.565 --> 00:37:12.134
No, nope, it's
not even that.

00:37:12.134 --> 00:37:13.605
They're just set
in their ways.

00:37:14.145 --> 00:37:15.555
Yeah, there's
some of that.

00:37:15.585 --> 00:37:17.535
I mean, there are
some awesome barrel

00:37:17.535 --> 00:37:18.745
makers down in the US.

00:37:18.785 --> 00:37:19.095
Sure.

00:37:19.815 --> 00:37:23.805
And so, getting people
to switch to an unknown,

00:37:24.245 --> 00:37:26.955
somewhat unknown brand
from shooting the

00:37:26.955 --> 00:37:29.145
barrel from the company
they've been using for

00:37:29.145 --> 00:37:31.035
the last 30 years and
getting good results

00:37:31.035 --> 00:37:32.525
from is difficult.

00:37:32.805 --> 00:37:32.955
Right.

00:37:32.955 --> 00:37:36.255
In places where there are
less barrel makers and

00:37:36.255 --> 00:37:39.375
you can produce something
that's awesome and get

00:37:39.375 --> 00:37:42.455
it to them in a short
period of time, that

00:37:42.455 --> 00:37:43.705
kind of rules of ruse.

00:37:43.705 --> 00:37:45.335
So Scandinavia and
Australia are two

00:37:45.335 --> 00:37:46.685
perfect examples of that.

00:37:46.835 --> 00:37:47.645
That's a no brainer.

00:37:47.674 --> 00:37:47.895
Yeah.

00:37:47.915 --> 00:37:49.535
It's pretty much a no
brainer over there,

00:37:49.805 --> 00:37:52.055
but in the US it's,
people are more,

00:37:53.414 --> 00:37:55.204
hesitant to try.

00:37:55.574 --> 00:37:57.455
But we're starting
to make inroads

00:37:57.455 --> 00:37:58.325
there, which is good.

00:37:58.955 --> 00:38:00.995
And I fully understand
why people don't

00:38:01.770 --> 00:38:04.620
automatically pick up
another barrel user or

00:38:04.620 --> 00:38:05.599
another barrel company.

00:38:05.890 --> 00:38:07.710
I was the same way, you
know, I was shooting

00:38:07.710 --> 00:38:09.240
Krieger's before and
I'm like, nah, these

00:38:09.240 --> 00:38:10.500
things shoot so awesome.

00:38:10.649 --> 00:38:10.980
Right.

00:38:11.069 --> 00:38:13.980
Unless our own barrel
shoot is good, you

00:38:13.980 --> 00:38:16.020
know, I don't want to,
I want to make our own

00:38:16.020 --> 00:38:18.750
barrels shoot as good
as what that does.

00:38:18.839 --> 00:38:21.120
So that was part
of the process.

00:38:21.600 --> 00:38:24.214
So the answer to that
is yes, we're fairly.

00:38:24.214 --> 00:38:26.834
You're fairly
international.

00:38:26.834 --> 00:38:27.664
Fairly international
at this point.

00:38:27.664 --> 00:38:29.395
I mean, we've sent
barrels to South Africa

00:38:29.395 --> 00:38:30.234
all over the place.

00:38:30.325 --> 00:38:32.604
Pete down in South Africa
shoots our barrels.

00:38:33.015 --> 00:38:34.245
There's Pete
again, hey Pete.

00:38:34.455 --> 00:38:34.705
Pete.

00:38:35.515 --> 00:38:36.975
Asia, not so much yet.

00:38:37.065 --> 00:38:39.404
Asian countries, I
find have a lot more

00:38:39.404 --> 00:38:41.835
harsh restrictions
on firearms usage.

00:38:41.955 --> 00:38:42.285
Right.

00:38:42.315 --> 00:38:44.415
There are places like
the Philippines and

00:38:44.415 --> 00:38:47.565
I've had some inquiries,
but there's always

00:38:48.225 --> 00:38:51.674
some interesting stuff
going on in places like

00:38:51.674 --> 00:38:53.355
that, that you really
have to sort of vet

00:38:53.355 --> 00:38:57.250
who you're sending to
and quite often we'll

00:38:57.250 --> 00:39:00.120
get requests and it
just seems sketchy.

00:39:00.120 --> 00:39:00.210
Right.

00:39:00.210 --> 00:39:03.160
So I get requests
to send stuff to

00:39:03.160 --> 00:39:04.300
Pakistan all the time.

00:39:04.840 --> 00:39:05.740
You're in it for
the long haul.

00:39:05.910 --> 00:39:09.090
And yeah, I just, you
know, even if it is a

00:39:09.090 --> 00:39:12.250
valid request, I just
don't know if us, as

00:39:12.270 --> 00:39:14.100
a company really want
to sort of go there.

00:39:14.279 --> 00:39:17.600
When there's human
rights abuses and all

00:39:17.600 --> 00:39:19.100
kinds of crazy stuff
going on over there.

00:39:19.100 --> 00:39:20.120
I didn't really
want to be sending

00:39:20.120 --> 00:39:20.779
them a gun parts.

00:39:21.049 --> 00:39:21.430
Agreed.

00:39:21.450 --> 00:39:22.700
They can figure out
their own stuff.

00:39:22.790 --> 00:39:22.910
Yeah.

00:39:23.620 --> 00:39:25.970
So we got the next
one, user canadaboi,

00:39:25.990 --> 00:39:29.740
B-O-I, asks what's
up with "seasoning"

00:39:29.740 --> 00:39:31.090
a barrel for rimfire?

00:39:31.540 --> 00:39:34.180
I've heard all about
fouling up a barrel, but

00:39:34.180 --> 00:39:35.290
is there any truth to it?

00:39:35.319 --> 00:39:38.779
Yeah, I think there
totally is truth to it.

00:39:38.779 --> 00:39:40.455
I think when you're
shooting lead projectiles

00:39:40.455 --> 00:39:42.345
through rimfire, it
takes a certain amount

00:39:42.345 --> 00:39:46.095
of shots in order to sort
of lay down that layer

00:39:46.095 --> 00:39:47.835
of lead and fouling.

00:39:50.385 --> 00:39:52.635
And why it's different
than, than copper, it

00:39:52.635 --> 00:39:56.965
seems with a rimfire led
fouling, to a certain

00:39:56.965 --> 00:40:00.055
degree seems to make
the barrel  shoot bette.

00:40:00.525 --> 00:40:02.265
Copper on the other hand,
not so much, you get

00:40:02.265 --> 00:40:03.975
lots of copper fouling
in there, usually your

00:40:03.975 --> 00:40:05.065
accuracy goes to crap.

00:40:05.265 --> 00:40:05.545
Right.

00:40:05.995 --> 00:40:08.475
So there's, there's
definitely something

00:40:08.475 --> 00:40:10.855
to have the barrel
seasoned with ours,

00:40:10.875 --> 00:40:13.035
I'm finding that it is
probably going to take

00:40:13.035 --> 00:40:15.315
at least 500 rounds to
sort of get it there.

00:40:16.095 --> 00:40:17.445
There may also be
something to do

00:40:17.445 --> 00:40:20.095
with the lube that's
on most 22 ammo.

00:40:20.825 --> 00:40:21.145
Right.

00:40:21.145 --> 00:40:24.750
Whether that lays
down a layer in the

00:40:24.750 --> 00:40:27.089
barrel or not I'm not
a hundred percent sure.

00:40:27.660 --> 00:40:29.470
I will tell you this,
that at the beginning

00:40:29.490 --> 00:40:32.339
of this stupid virus
thing that we got going

00:40:32.339 --> 00:40:36.810
on, I started shooting
my 22 and between then

00:40:36.810 --> 00:40:39.490
and now I've put over
10,000 rounds through

00:40:39.490 --> 00:40:41.759
it in a few months.

00:40:41.850 --> 00:40:45.720
And I went to a match in
Kamloops, the CRPS match,

00:40:45.779 --> 00:40:47.910
and I figured, Oh, you
know, I should, I was

00:40:47.910 --> 00:40:49.799
cleaning out the action
and the bolt and all

00:40:49.799 --> 00:40:52.140
that stuff and I figured,
yeah, maybe I'll pull the

00:40:52.140 --> 00:40:54.180
thing through and cause
you know, I probably put

00:40:54.180 --> 00:40:56.880
like six or 7,000 rounds
through it at that point.

00:40:56.880 --> 00:40:58.230
And I figured maybe I
should pull it through.

00:40:59.430 --> 00:41:03.390
So I get up to Kamloops
and I shoot on the zero

00:41:03.390 --> 00:41:05.930
target and it's like
five inches off and

00:41:05.930 --> 00:41:07.629
I'm like, oh, damn it.

00:41:07.799 --> 00:41:09.180
I knew I shouldn't
have pulled it through.

00:41:09.180 --> 00:41:09.610
Yep.

00:41:10.120 --> 00:41:14.160
So it will change your
accuracy, your point

00:41:14.180 --> 00:41:17.120
of impact the more
you pull it through.

00:41:18.195 --> 00:41:21.045
I think as the day went
on and I put more and

00:41:21.045 --> 00:41:23.055
more rounds through it,
it went back to where

00:41:23.055 --> 00:41:23.565
it should have been.

00:41:23.565 --> 00:41:25.125
But you know, when
you're at a match, that's

00:41:25.125 --> 00:41:26.025
probably not a good idea.

00:41:26.025 --> 00:41:27.615
If you want to clean
it, clean it, and then

00:41:27.615 --> 00:41:29.985
take it to the range
and re-season it and

00:41:29.985 --> 00:41:32.065
re-zero so that you
know you're not going

00:41:32.085 --> 00:41:33.615
to get any shifts again.

00:41:34.015 --> 00:41:35.115
Do you know what the
coating is that they

00:41:35.115 --> 00:41:35.865
put on the bullets?

00:41:35.985 --> 00:41:37.515
It's a combination.

00:41:37.515 --> 00:41:39.795
It really depends on the
company like Lapua and

00:41:39.795 --> 00:41:41.655
SK is like a really oily.

00:41:41.860 --> 00:41:42.160
Right.

00:41:42.890 --> 00:41:43.510
Lubricant.

00:41:43.510 --> 00:41:45.400
But if you go to Eley,
the top end Eley's are

00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:47.500
actually, it's some
sort of combination.

00:41:47.540 --> 00:41:49.590
I believe it, it
has beeswax in it.

00:41:49.720 --> 00:41:50.480
That's wat I was.

00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:50.680
Yeah.

00:41:50.680 --> 00:41:53.650
It's a different, it's
a much thicker lube on

00:41:53.650 --> 00:41:56.290
the Eley top end, Eley
ammo than the other ones.

00:41:56.400 --> 00:41:58.200
What about, let's
say Moly, molybdenum.

00:41:59.040 --> 00:42:00.600
Molybdenum disulfide.

00:42:00.630 --> 00:42:00.780
Yeah.

00:42:01.110 --> 00:42:03.700
So I've never seen
that on 22 ammo.

00:42:03.700 --> 00:42:03.850
No.

00:42:04.040 --> 00:42:06.270
But on centrefire
ammo I have.

00:42:06.299 --> 00:42:06.380
Yeah.

00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:08.100
There's a couple of
different coatings.

00:42:08.850 --> 00:42:10.110
The Moly is one of them.

00:42:10.550 --> 00:42:12.800
It's a bit messy, I
think and it takes a

00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:14.150
bit to get it on there.

00:42:15.419 --> 00:42:19.209
And then the other one
was a hexagonal boron.

00:42:20.109 --> 00:42:20.389
Right.

00:42:20.669 --> 00:42:23.700
Which I tried and yeah
it's slippery, but

00:42:23.730 --> 00:42:25.830
did it extend barrel
life or anything?

00:42:25.830 --> 00:42:27.170
I don't really think so.

00:42:27.210 --> 00:42:27.550
Right.

00:42:27.790 --> 00:42:31.439
You're still, it monkey's
with your velocities

00:42:31.439 --> 00:42:33.330
because you have to use
more powder to get the

00:42:33.330 --> 00:42:34.980
same velocity as you
do, because you have a

00:42:35.160 --> 00:42:36.939
slipperier projectile.

00:42:36.939 --> 00:42:37.579
Interesting.

00:42:37.579 --> 00:42:39.299
So you have to up your
powder charge to get

00:42:39.299 --> 00:42:40.180
the same velocity.

00:42:41.170 --> 00:42:43.455
So in my opinion, if
you're upping in your

00:42:43.455 --> 00:42:46.665
powder charge, what
you're probably saving

00:42:46.665 --> 00:42:49.035
in barrel life from the
projectile going down the

00:42:49.035 --> 00:42:51.565
barrel, you're probably
killing in throat wear.

00:42:51.565 --> 00:42:51.875
Right.

00:42:51.875 --> 00:42:52.195
Anyways right.

00:42:52.195 --> 00:42:53.475
Throat erosion.

00:42:53.895 --> 00:42:55.485
Yeah, it doesn't
really make any sense

00:42:55.485 --> 00:42:57.435
to me, which is kind
of why I think both

00:42:57.435 --> 00:42:59.505
of those have slowly
faded away over the

00:42:59.505 --> 00:43:01.195
last 10 years probably.

00:43:01.285 --> 00:43:01.445
Right.

00:43:01.445 --> 00:43:03.655
I know the odd guy
that still uses Moly,

00:43:03.675 --> 00:43:06.705
but it's one of those
things where they've

00:43:06.705 --> 00:43:09.860
been doing it fo 25
years and it works good.

00:43:09.860 --> 00:43:10.940
So I'm not going to stop.

00:43:10.970 --> 00:43:11.700
Why change it?

00:43:11.700 --> 00:43:12.330
Yeah, why change?

00:43:13.120 --> 00:43:15.940
So user
DrinkLuckyGetLucky.

00:43:16.030 --> 00:43:16.540
Oh boy.

00:43:16.900 --> 00:43:19.240
Asks, how as a
manufacturer do you

00:43:19.240 --> 00:43:22.200
make sure your barrels
shoot well enough

00:43:22.290 --> 00:43:24.299
to be competitive at
the highest levels.

00:43:24.330 --> 00:43:24.660
Gotcha.

00:43:24.750 --> 00:43:25.560
Well, that's an
easy question.

00:43:25.560 --> 00:43:25.770
Yep.

00:43:25.830 --> 00:43:28.130
Well, I dunno easy,
but there's a couple

00:43:28.130 --> 00:43:28.880
answers there.

00:43:29.600 --> 00:43:30.529
Pixie dust and.

00:43:30.529 --> 00:43:32.019
Pixie dust and
unicorn farts.

00:43:32.140 --> 00:43:32.970
Uh...no.

00:43:33.740 --> 00:43:35.750
So basically the
first thing we do is

00:43:35.750 --> 00:43:38.240
we make sure that we
totally control all the

00:43:38.240 --> 00:43:40.569
processes, when we're
making the barrels.

00:43:40.569 --> 00:43:42.950
So I've talked about
mental management

00:43:42.950 --> 00:43:46.130
before, we use that
sort of process in

00:43:46.160 --> 00:43:47.150
making the barrels.

00:43:47.660 --> 00:43:51.735
So each step along
the way, beit pulling

00:43:51.735 --> 00:43:54.195
the button, drilling
the stress relieving,

00:43:54.675 --> 00:43:56.955
lapping, running it
on the hone, any of

00:43:56.955 --> 00:43:57.735
that kind of stuff.

00:43:58.275 --> 00:44:01.665
We make sure that after
that's done the barrel

00:44:01.665 --> 00:44:03.765
is a hundred percent the
way we want it to come

00:44:03.765 --> 00:44:04.875
out from that process.

00:44:05.295 --> 00:44:07.895
And we took a lot of
time and effort to

00:44:07.895 --> 00:44:09.695
make sure that when
we are operating

00:44:09.695 --> 00:44:12.155
those processes, that
it gives us what we

00:44:12.435 --> 00:44:14.645
require in end result.

00:44:16.305 --> 00:44:18.575
So when you stack all
those things together

00:44:19.565 --> 00:44:21.194
you get the end
result that you want.

00:44:21.855 --> 00:44:24.705
In mental management,
you pay attention to the

00:44:24.705 --> 00:44:28.964
steps of whatever you're
doing, and you focus on

00:44:28.964 --> 00:44:30.975
the performance of those
and then you get the end

00:44:30.975 --> 00:44:31.785
result that you want.

00:44:32.420 --> 00:44:33.620
Well, it's the same
in barrel making.

00:44:33.620 --> 00:44:36.200
So all of the steps
that we take, we pay

00:44:36.200 --> 00:44:38.090
a lot of attention to,
and we make sure that

00:44:38.090 --> 00:44:38.870
we're good at them.

00:44:39.650 --> 00:44:41.480
Then in the end we take
it out and we shoot it.

00:44:41.990 --> 00:44:42.260
Yeah.

00:44:42.380 --> 00:44:44.300
And we do a
lot of testing.

00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:45.800
And in the beginning
there were times

00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:47.600
when I took stuff out
and I shot it and it

00:44:47.600 --> 00:44:48.560
wasn't satisfactory.

00:44:48.560 --> 00:44:51.140
So it's back to the
drawing board at that

00:44:51.140 --> 00:44:53.150
point, whether it was
a slightly different

00:44:53.150 --> 00:44:56.570
bore size or a different
rifling configuration

00:44:56.570 --> 00:44:59.300
or different diameter on
the lands and grooves or

00:44:59.300 --> 00:45:00.500
whatever the case may be.

00:45:00.500 --> 00:45:02.475
That's what you gotta do.

00:45:02.625 --> 00:45:04.005
So I guess I'll just
be a lot of trial

00:45:04.005 --> 00:45:05.115
and error at first.

00:45:05.505 --> 00:45:05.615
Yeah.

00:45:05.615 --> 00:45:06.915
In the beginning there
was trial and error.

00:45:06.915 --> 00:45:08.445
I mean, we're pretty
good at it now, so we

00:45:08.445 --> 00:45:11.235
know what combinations
and what sort of

00:45:11.295 --> 00:45:13.605
algorithm works when
you put it all together.

00:45:13.995 --> 00:45:14.265
Right.

00:45:14.355 --> 00:45:15.705
You're going to get the
end result you want.

00:45:15.705 --> 00:45:19.154
So there's a lot less
testing now, but I will

00:45:19.170 --> 00:45:21.240
tell you that nothing
leaves our shop that's

00:45:21.240 --> 00:45:23.850
new, that doesn't get
tested to the nth degree

00:45:24.029 --> 00:45:26.589
to make sure that it
does what we claim

00:45:26.609 --> 00:45:28.319
that it'll do, and then
what we need it to do.

00:45:28.950 --> 00:45:31.220
So at the highest level,
I mean, part of it also

00:45:31.220 --> 00:45:33.359
is getting into it in
the hands of people that

00:45:33.359 --> 00:45:34.170
shoot at that level.

00:45:34.830 --> 00:45:36.930
So, I mean, the first
thing that we probably

00:45:37.140 --> 00:45:39.290
had shot at up at
a high level was an

00:45:39.290 --> 00:45:41.290
AR15 barrels because
it was me that was.

00:45:41.620 --> 00:45:41.859
Right.

00:45:42.060 --> 00:45:44.279
Shooting them at a
national championship.

00:45:44.279 --> 00:45:49.010
And they clearly compete
with anything else

00:45:49.100 --> 00:45:50.930
out there from any
other manufacturer.

00:45:51.020 --> 00:45:51.710
They perform.

00:45:51.720 --> 00:45:54.140
And I've shot them
all, so I will tell

00:45:54.140 --> 00:45:57.290
you straight up that
our AR15 barrels shoot

00:45:57.560 --> 00:45:59.420
as good or better
than anybody else's.

00:45:59.720 --> 00:46:00.810
So there you are.

00:46:01.010 --> 00:46:01.510
I love it.

00:46:01.780 --> 00:46:01.960
Yep.

00:46:02.950 --> 00:46:06.340
Next question user,
Striker-of-Life asks,

00:46:07.810 --> 00:46:09.820
with modern barrels
is there any point

00:46:09.820 --> 00:46:12.860
in choosing, say a
varmint / bull barrel

00:46:13.210 --> 00:46:15.370
or standard barrel for
long range shooting?

00:46:15.944 --> 00:46:17.555
Well, I mean, there's
always a point, right?

00:46:17.555 --> 00:46:22.185
Like again, it kind of
comes down to what kind

00:46:22.185 --> 00:46:24.345
of long range shooting
you're doing and what

00:46:24.345 --> 00:46:25.575
you're trying to achieve.

00:46:26.055 --> 00:46:31.350
If you're shooting
long range from a

00:46:31.350 --> 00:46:33.180
prone position and
you're shooting like

00:46:33.180 --> 00:46:36.090
2000 metres, then it's
going to be one type

00:46:36.090 --> 00:46:37.020
of barrel clearly.

00:46:37.020 --> 00:46:38.520
I mean, you could
slap a hunting barrel

00:46:38.520 --> 00:46:39.960
on there, but are
you doing yourself

00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:41.430
any kind of favors?

00:46:41.890 --> 00:46:42.650
Probably not.

00:46:44.070 --> 00:46:46.355
So you kind of just
have to go off of what

00:46:46.355 --> 00:46:48.125
you're trying to achieve.

00:46:49.295 --> 00:46:51.105
I guess one of the ones
that I get asked a lot

00:46:51.105 --> 00:46:54.935
about is, guys that want
a barrel to hunt with,

00:46:55.385 --> 00:46:57.305
but they want something
super accurate as well.

00:46:57.335 --> 00:46:57.905
Right.

00:46:58.295 --> 00:47:01.775
So we have a couple of
profiles that I recommend

00:47:01.775 --> 00:47:04.905
that are sort of halfway
in between the reality

00:47:04.905 --> 00:47:06.675
is, is if you want
something, that's gonna

00:47:06.975 --> 00:47:08.985
shoot a half MOA group
at a thousand meters,

00:47:08.985 --> 00:47:10.515
it's not going to be any
of the hunting barrels.

00:47:10.515 --> 00:47:12.645
It's going to weigh seven
or eight pounds probably,

00:47:12.645 --> 00:47:14.055
so be prepared for that.

00:47:14.935 --> 00:47:16.935
but on the other hand,
if you're looking

00:47:16.935 --> 00:47:18.735
for light and you're
shooting long range,

00:47:18.735 --> 00:47:21.080
you may want something
that is a bit heavier.

00:47:22.010 --> 00:47:24.110
And light may not be the
way to go, or maybe you

00:47:24.110 --> 00:47:26.120
want something that's
sorta light, but maybe

00:47:26.120 --> 00:47:29.390
fluted to take a bit
more weight off there.

00:47:30.080 --> 00:47:32.720
So, I mean, there
is actually a lot of

00:47:32.720 --> 00:47:35.270
point in choosing the
barrel in relation

00:47:35.270 --> 00:47:35.990
to what you're doing.

00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:36.600
Mhmm.

00:47:36.615 --> 00:47:39.015
So you kinda just have
to be real with yourself.

00:47:39.015 --> 00:47:40.725
Like I get guys that
are like, yeah, I

00:47:40.725 --> 00:47:41.565
want this for hunting.

00:47:42.105 --> 00:47:43.125
Okay, good.

00:47:43.185 --> 00:47:44.325
How long, how
far do you shoot?

00:47:44.355 --> 00:47:47.725
Oh, you know, probably
I shoot to 800 metres

00:47:47.745 --> 00:47:49.515
and I'm like, yeah, but
have you ever actually

00:47:49.515 --> 00:47:50.435
shot 800 metres?

00:47:50.435 --> 00:47:50.745
Right.

00:47:50.924 --> 00:47:51.355
Well, no.

00:47:51.375 --> 00:47:53.205
All my shots have
been in within 200.

00:47:53.205 --> 00:47:53.535
Okay.

00:47:53.535 --> 00:47:56.445
Well you just want
something that maybe

00:47:56.445 --> 00:47:57.905
you can shoot to
800 metres with.

00:47:57.905 --> 00:47:58.155
Sure.

00:47:58.185 --> 00:47:59.385
Well, yeah, okay.

00:47:59.415 --> 00:48:00.005
All right, okay.

00:48:00.795 --> 00:48:03.425
Here's what you
need basically.

00:48:03.860 --> 00:48:05.600
You brought up something
about fluting as well.

00:48:05.710 --> 00:48:06.130
I did.

00:48:06.759 --> 00:48:10.240
And fluting was an
interesting one because

00:48:10.240 --> 00:48:11.140
I remember there
there's a point in

00:48:11.140 --> 00:48:12.610
time when everyone says
you got to get your

00:48:12.610 --> 00:48:14.290
barrel fluted, cause
it's going to increase

00:48:14.290 --> 00:48:15.120
rigidity  on your.

00:48:15.120 --> 00:48:15.279
Oh god.

00:48:15.279 --> 00:48:15.700
barrel.

00:48:15.700 --> 00:48:17.170
And it doesn't!

00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:17.710
No.

00:48:17.740 --> 00:48:19.300
But I still hear
people saying that.

00:48:19.330 --> 00:48:19.690
No.

00:48:20.560 --> 00:48:22.900
For the same way barrel,
you're going to have

00:48:23.265 --> 00:48:25.935
better rigidity, I think
is a common school of

00:48:25.935 --> 00:48:26.805
thought on that one.

00:48:26.895 --> 00:48:28.275
I think it depends
on how you flute.

00:48:28.484 --> 00:48:29.415
And how you flute.

00:48:29.444 --> 00:48:29.654
Yep.

00:48:29.805 --> 00:48:30.194
Right.

00:48:30.345 --> 00:48:30.484
Yeah.

00:48:31.194 --> 00:48:36.600
So we pretty much only
spiral flute and we

00:48:36.600 --> 00:48:39.540
could straight flute,
providing the flutes were

00:48:39.540 --> 00:48:41.939
relatively thin, I think
we'd probably be okay.

00:48:42.600 --> 00:48:45.660
But you see on some
barrels, like I think

00:48:45.660 --> 00:48:47.910
the Remington, maybe
like the SPS had these

00:48:47.910 --> 00:48:48.940
really wide flutes.

00:48:49.120 --> 00:48:50.240
Yeah, they're kind
of flat like they

00:48:50.240 --> 00:48:51.480
use a Woodruff
cutter or something.

00:48:51.500 --> 00:48:52.310
Yeah something, yeah.

00:48:52.430 --> 00:48:54.040
I don't know what the
deal was with that, but

00:48:54.120 --> 00:48:56.419
anyways they got these
big wide flutes on it.

00:48:56.419 --> 00:48:59.270
So if you look at the
barrel head on, you're

00:48:59.270 --> 00:49:02.385
going to notice that the
diameter of the barrel

00:49:02.385 --> 00:49:04.635
is actually pretty
much cut down by the

00:49:04.765 --> 00:49:05.715
width of the flutes.

00:49:06.615 --> 00:49:08.805
So if you take a
spiral fluted barrel,

00:49:08.805 --> 00:49:11.835
and you look at that,
that's done with fairly

00:49:11.835 --> 00:49:14.505
narrow flutes, the
diameter of the barrel

00:49:14.505 --> 00:49:16.854
is probably not much
different than what it

00:49:16.854 --> 00:49:19.035
is before it's fluted.

00:49:19.035 --> 00:49:22.025
So in my opinion, you
retain a lot of that

00:49:22.905 --> 00:49:25.305
rigidity with, a little
bit better with a

00:49:25.305 --> 00:49:27.495
spiral fluted barrel,
than with a straight

00:49:27.495 --> 00:49:30.105
fluted barrel, a wide
straight fluted barrel.

00:49:30.135 --> 00:49:33.255
You could probably get
the same thing with

00:49:33.255 --> 00:49:36.555
narrow straight flutes,
and I had a guy, I

00:49:36.555 --> 00:49:38.175
think it was, was it
yesterday or the day

00:49:38.175 --> 00:49:40.365
before asking me if we're
going to straight flute.

00:49:40.365 --> 00:49:43.400
And I basically said
we could, but you know,

00:49:43.400 --> 00:49:45.710
the reality of it is,
is that I would have

00:49:45.710 --> 00:49:48.320
to add probably about
1500 sku's into my

00:49:48.320 --> 00:49:51.890
computer system so it's.

00:49:51.890 --> 00:49:52.500
So probably not.

00:49:52.520 --> 00:49:53.630
It's probably not
going to happen.

00:49:53.660 --> 00:49:55.970
We've had really,
really wicked results

00:49:55.970 --> 00:49:58.800
that have been
verified by companies

00:49:58.820 --> 00:50:00.350
like PGW Defense.

00:50:01.310 --> 00:50:06.120
And they shot barrels
before they were

00:50:06.120 --> 00:50:08.520
fluted and they spiral
fluted them and then

00:50:08.520 --> 00:50:09.330
they shot them again.

00:50:09.330 --> 00:50:11.879
And there was no change
in group size, no change

00:50:11.879 --> 00:50:14.509
in accuracy, no shift
of impact, none of

00:50:14.509 --> 00:50:15.600
that kind of stuff so.

00:50:15.740 --> 00:50:17.569
Are you really
losing much weight

00:50:17.720 --> 00:50:18.629
when you spiral?

00:50:18.629 --> 00:50:18.980
You can.

00:50:19.189 --> 00:50:19.310
Yeah.

00:50:19.600 --> 00:50:22.250
Believe it or not on
like an MTU, you're

00:50:22.250 --> 00:50:24.109
almost losing a pound
out of the barrel.

00:50:24.710 --> 00:50:25.370
That's significant.

00:50:25.370 --> 00:50:26.500
Which is
significant yeah.

00:50:27.350 --> 00:50:30.270
Why you would want
to do that on a match

00:50:30.350 --> 00:50:33.300
heavy, super heavy
barrel anyways, why

00:50:33.300 --> 00:50:34.950
you would want slightly
lighter I'm not sure.

00:50:34.950 --> 00:50:36.960
But I mean, there might
be something to be said

00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:39.910
for some of the F class
guys that want, in FTR

00:50:39.930 --> 00:50:41.880
in particular, where
you're your gun weight

00:50:41.880 --> 00:50:44.460
is I think 18 pounds,
to have the thickest

00:50:44.460 --> 00:50:46.529
possible barrel with
the thickest diameter

00:50:46.670 --> 00:50:47.720
that's the lightest.

00:50:49.399 --> 00:50:51.890
So spiral fluting on
something like that might

00:50:51.890 --> 00:50:55.190
be a bit of a thing and
I know that we've had

00:50:55.320 --> 00:50:58.319
a couple already, that
guys have done super

00:50:58.470 --> 00:51:01.400
well with the spiral
fluted barrel down at

00:51:01.400 --> 00:51:02.660
US nationals last year.

00:51:02.780 --> 00:51:03.170
Nice.

00:51:03.230 --> 00:51:03.500
Yeah.

00:51:03.620 --> 00:51:05.390
So that could be a thing.

00:51:05.990 --> 00:51:09.480
User Juno7 asks, I'm
trying to find a good

00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:11.970
reload using solid
copper bullets, such

00:51:11.970 --> 00:51:17.620
as Barnes TTSX, Nosler
e-tip, etc, in a Tikka

00:51:17.670 --> 00:51:19.440
with a 1 in 11 twist.

00:51:19.950 --> 00:51:22.110
I'm seeing lots of
articles suggesting

00:51:22.170 --> 00:51:24.570
that you don't go by the
weight of the bullet,

00:51:24.600 --> 00:51:25.800
but rather the length.

00:51:26.040 --> 00:51:26.880
Why is that?

00:51:27.090 --> 00:51:30.210
And is that the true
way to find a good

00:51:30.210 --> 00:51:31.320
bullet for a barrel?

00:51:31.965 --> 00:51:34.365
Well, I think you can't
pay too much attention

00:51:34.365 --> 00:51:36.674
to that stuff in general
because everything you

00:51:36.674 --> 00:51:38.365
read on the internet
is not necessarily

00:51:38.365 --> 00:51:41.325
true and people will
tell you different

00:51:41.325 --> 00:51:44.485
things depending on
who you're reading.

00:51:44.825 --> 00:51:48.225
But there is some
truth to solid copper

00:51:48.225 --> 00:51:51.654
bullets being a little
different than lead

00:51:51.674 --> 00:51:52.755
cup and core bullets.

00:51:52.815 --> 00:51:54.315
And the reason is
because they don't weigh

00:51:54.315 --> 00:51:55.485
as much for the same.

00:51:55.485 --> 00:51:57.134
So if you have a copper
one, you're going to

00:51:57.134 --> 00:51:59.850
get a much longer bullet
for the same weight.

00:51:59.850 --> 00:52:02.540
So if you compare,
let's take Barnes

00:52:03.090 --> 00:52:04.440
TTSX, cause that's
what I'm familiar with.

00:52:04.470 --> 00:52:04.740
Right.

00:52:04.890 --> 00:52:05.880
That's what I
use for hunting.

00:52:06.360 --> 00:52:09.130
I shoot the 150 TTSX.

00:52:09.390 --> 00:52:12.570
And if you compare it
side by side with a

00:52:12.570 --> 00:52:16.600
175 Sierra Match King
or one of those match

00:52:16.600 --> 00:52:21.069
type bullets, the
155 or the 150 TTSX

00:52:21.150 --> 00:52:22.050
is actually longer.

00:52:22.500 --> 00:52:22.890
Right.

00:52:22.980 --> 00:52:23.549
By quite a bit.

00:52:23.750 --> 00:52:24.080
Right.

00:52:25.140 --> 00:52:29.145
So you have a, obviously
a longer driving band and

00:52:29.145 --> 00:52:32.235
longer contact surface
area in the barrel.

00:52:32.685 --> 00:52:35.985
Now Barnes sort of puts
those little can lures

00:52:35.985 --> 00:52:38.505
around there, so they
try and minimize that

00:52:38.505 --> 00:52:42.195
extra contact, but I've
always found that a 1

00:52:42.195 --> 00:52:45.295
in 11 twist, even a 1
in 10 twist  faster with

00:52:45.295 --> 00:52:50.310
a TTSX and a 155, is
probably gonna work good.

00:52:50.310 --> 00:52:52.130
I dunno if he's talking
about a 308 here, I'm

00:52:52.160 --> 00:52:54.520
guessing with a 1 in
11 twist it's a 308

00:52:54.540 --> 00:52:55.380
is probably would be.

00:52:56.010 --> 00:52:58.950
So, I mean, as far as
the examples of, I've

00:52:58.950 --> 00:53:00.660
shot in Nosler e-tip's
before, they shoot

00:53:00.660 --> 00:53:03.600
pretty good, but the
Barnes TTSX is kind of

00:53:03.600 --> 00:53:05.490
my go-to for hunting.

00:53:05.670 --> 00:53:08.370
The e-tip is actually
looks like just a regular

00:53:08.370 --> 00:53:10.020
jacketed bullet, so
it doesn't have any of

00:53:10.020 --> 00:53:14.535
those can lures so that
one may not shoot as

00:53:14.535 --> 00:53:18.061
well as the TTSX, but
I would probably monkey

00:53:18.061 --> 00:53:20.365
around with different
grain weight bullets

00:53:20.365 --> 00:53:22.565
before I sort of threw
them in the garbage

00:53:22.565 --> 00:53:23.555
saying they don't shoot.

00:53:23.645 --> 00:53:23.975
Right.

00:53:25.355 --> 00:53:29.294
Like for me the solid
coppers generally need to

00:53:29.294 --> 00:53:31.235
be driven a little harder
than some of the other

00:53:31.845 --> 00:53:33.794
bullets out, the lead
cup and core bullets,

00:53:33.825 --> 00:53:34.754
in order to expand.

00:53:35.475 --> 00:53:38.504
So quite often guys
will go to a, like in

00:53:38.504 --> 00:53:41.234
a 308 for hunting guys,
we'll be shooting like

00:53:41.234 --> 00:53:46.590
180's, something like
that with solid copper.

00:53:46.620 --> 00:53:51.750
The 150 or even the 130
that Barnes makes are

00:53:51.750 --> 00:53:54.150
probably pretty good
choices for a 308 and

00:53:54.150 --> 00:53:56.610
you can ramp up the speed
a bit and then get them

00:53:56.610 --> 00:53:59.000
to blossom when they.

00:53:59.000 --> 00:53:59.160
Yeah.

00:53:59.160 --> 00:54:01.379
Impact the meat they're
supposed to blossom in.

00:54:01.579 --> 00:54:03.529
Well I think you, you
know, one of the things

00:54:03.529 --> 00:54:05.870
you said was you don't
always believe what

00:54:05.899 --> 00:54:07.700
you're reading on the
internet, or watching,

00:54:07.700 --> 00:54:08.629
reading on the internet.

00:54:08.720 --> 00:54:11.029
And I think a big part
of this is go out there

00:54:11.029 --> 00:54:11.990
and try it yourself.

00:54:12.020 --> 00:54:12.560
Yeah, for sure.

00:54:12.765 --> 00:54:15.414
Because it's all an
experimentation process.

00:54:15.414 --> 00:54:15.564
Yep.

00:54:15.564 --> 00:54:17.564
What kind of, your bullet
weight, your bullet

00:54:17.564 --> 00:54:18.115
length, your powder.

00:54:18.115 --> 00:54:18.414
Absolutely.

00:54:18.435 --> 00:54:21.404
Your, and see what
works in your firemen.

00:54:21.415 --> 00:54:22.875
I think most people
kind of want to shortcut

00:54:22.875 --> 00:54:24.104
that and they say,
Oh, I'll just buy

00:54:24.104 --> 00:54:25.424
this and then we'll
buy that one, and the

00:54:25.424 --> 00:54:26.234
internet told me that.

00:54:26.265 --> 00:54:27.904
Yeah, there's a lot
of the reading off the

00:54:27.904 --> 00:54:29.875
internet and how come it
doesn't work in my gun.

00:54:30.165 --> 00:54:30.395
Yeah.

00:54:30.395 --> 00:54:32.375
Kind of thing and it's
like, because it doesn't

00:54:32.375 --> 00:54:33.305
work in everybody's gun.

00:54:33.455 --> 00:54:33.694
Right.

00:54:33.694 --> 00:54:35.475
Just because it's,
one guy has it

00:54:35.475 --> 00:54:36.785
workin' doesn't
mean the other guy.

00:54:37.060 --> 00:54:39.100
Then they got the
analysis paralysis and.

00:54:39.100 --> 00:54:42.330
Oh man, you know, the
one I get as well, quite

00:54:42.330 --> 00:54:47.280
often, this sort of on
the topic here is, guys

00:54:47.280 --> 00:54:50.850
that they'll buy let's
use 308 for example.

00:54:50.980 --> 00:54:54.150
There is an absolute
metric shit ton

00:54:54.150 --> 00:54:56.310
of data out on the
internet right?

00:54:57.000 --> 00:54:58.890
And most of it is
pretty verified because

00:54:58.890 --> 00:55:00.420
308 has been around
for a long time.

00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:02.540
You put 44 and a
half grains of Vargit

00:55:02.895 --> 00:55:06.975
over a 175 or a 168
and with a federal

00:55:06.975 --> 00:55:08.645
210 match or a BR2.

00:55:08.835 --> 00:55:09.005
Yep.

00:55:09.105 --> 00:55:10.485
And you shoot it and
it's probably going

00:55:10.485 --> 00:55:12.315
to be three quarters
or less, at a hundred.

00:55:13.245 --> 00:55:15.825
So the one that I get
quite often is, Hey,

00:55:15.825 --> 00:55:19.205
I bought one of your
barrels and the load I

00:55:19.205 --> 00:55:22.835
want to use is  well,
first of all, I'm pulling

00:55:22.835 --> 00:55:26.985
147 bullets out of some
old machine gun ammo, and

00:55:26.985 --> 00:55:27.695
I'm going to use those.

00:55:27.735 --> 00:55:29.195
They have this black
tar on them, but

00:55:29.225 --> 00:55:29.975
it should be fine.

00:55:30.815 --> 00:55:35.255
And, I'm going to use
a Norinco brass steel,

00:55:36.215 --> 00:55:38.355
and I'm going to use
primers from Russia.

00:55:38.535 --> 00:55:39.265
As one does.

00:55:39.265 --> 00:55:39.555
Yep.

00:55:39.555 --> 00:55:42.445
And I'm gonna use a
powder that, I'm not sure

00:55:42.445 --> 00:55:44.395
where it came from, but
I got it at garage sale.

00:55:44.515 --> 00:55:44.725
Yep.

00:55:44.905 --> 00:55:47.005
So I've been shooting
this in my other gun and

00:55:47.005 --> 00:55:49.885
it shoots awesome, but I
put it in your barrel and

00:55:49.885 --> 00:55:50.945
I can't get it to shoot.

00:55:51.674 --> 00:55:56.515
So I wanna know how to
fix this, or I want to

00:55:56.515 --> 00:55:58.195
send the barrel back
because I think there's

00:55:58.195 --> 00:55:58.915
something wrong with it.

00:55:59.155 --> 00:55:59.365
Yeah.

00:55:59.955 --> 00:56:03.630
And it's literally like,
Why are you trying to

00:56:03.630 --> 00:56:04.640
reinvent the wheel here?

00:56:04.770 --> 00:56:04.980
Yeah.

00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:07.200
I mean, experimentation
is cool and fun.

00:56:07.830 --> 00:56:10.890
And what works in one gun
might well, I mean, if

00:56:10.890 --> 00:56:12.900
you're putting that combo
together, you'd probably

00:56:12.900 --> 00:56:14.480
be lucky if you got it
to shoot in any gun.

00:56:14.480 --> 00:56:15.000
Yeah, no kidding.

00:56:15.090 --> 00:56:17.370
But yeah, I literally
had a guy somewhere in

00:56:17.370 --> 00:56:19.350
the prairies there that
was he was shooting a

00:56:19.350 --> 00:56:21.955
Stag 10 when they were
legal and and it was a

00:56:21.955 --> 00:56:24.895
light barrel, it was a
hunting oriented barrel.

00:56:24.925 --> 00:56:27.745
And he had this crazy
load and he was cramping

00:56:27.745 --> 00:56:30.255
necks and all this and
I'm like, Oh my God,

00:56:30.285 --> 00:56:31.565
no wonder this thing
doesn't shoot you're

00:56:31.565 --> 00:56:32.865
lucky you haven't
blown yourself up.

00:56:32.985 --> 00:56:33.705
That's funny.

00:56:33.945 --> 00:56:37.425
So my advice is just go
with the standard stuff,

00:56:37.455 --> 00:56:40.815
the proven stuff, and
shoot that if you want

00:56:41.235 --> 00:56:43.035
good results, because
those are all pretty

00:56:43.035 --> 00:56:44.680
much proven loads.

00:56:44.790 --> 00:56:46.800
You know, thousands
and millions of people

00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:49.440
have probably gone
over that and verified

00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:50.130
that it works good.

00:56:51.170 --> 00:56:53.460
And if you have a
question, just email

00:56:53.460 --> 00:56:54.990
me and I'll give
you a load that.

00:56:54.990 --> 00:56:55.290
Beauty.

00:56:55.290 --> 00:56:56.700
Is probably going to
be somewhere in the

00:56:56.700 --> 00:56:58.200
zone of what you're
looking for, but.

00:56:58.950 --> 00:56:59.670
You heard it here.

00:56:59.700 --> 00:57:01.230
Don't use the
garage sale powder.

00:57:02.630 --> 00:57:03.890
All right, let's get
off of Reddit and

00:57:03.890 --> 00:57:04.790
go over to Facebook.

00:57:04.850 --> 00:57:05.420
Oh my God.

00:57:06.555 --> 00:57:07.605
Let's see if there's
going to be a difference

00:57:07.605 --> 00:57:08.475
in the type of questions.

00:57:08.475 --> 00:57:09.645
I can see right
off the bat here,

00:57:09.645 --> 00:57:10.405
I think it will be.

00:57:10.945 --> 00:57:13.065
So Ian Thompson
wants to know.

00:57:13.095 --> 00:57:13.765
Good ol' Ian.

00:57:14.255 --> 00:57:15.555
Why are you so GQ?

00:57:15.635 --> 00:57:15.875
Yeah.

00:57:15.875 --> 00:57:16.955
Well, Ian knows.

00:57:17.015 --> 00:57:19.055
I know Ian, and he
knows that I'm about

00:57:19.115 --> 00:57:22.115
as far from GQ as you
could ever want to be.

00:57:22.595 --> 00:57:24.305
So I think that
was more just a.

00:57:25.055 --> 00:57:26.405
I think it was based
off that picture

00:57:26.405 --> 00:57:27.005
you got there.

00:57:27.035 --> 00:57:27.415
Which one?

00:57:27.785 --> 00:57:30.745
The black background
that Graham took.

00:57:30.775 --> 00:57:31.465
That was Graham yeah.

00:57:31.615 --> 00:57:31.835
Yeah.

00:57:32.035 --> 00:57:32.665
That turned out good.

00:57:32.875 --> 00:57:33.444
Yeah, it did.

00:57:33.444 --> 00:57:33.805
Didn't it?

00:57:33.835 --> 00:57:34.015
Yep.

00:57:34.694 --> 00:57:34.815
Yeah.

00:57:34.815 --> 00:57:36.674
He's quite the artist
with that camera.

00:57:36.674 --> 00:57:37.495
Yeah, he's pretty good.

00:57:37.645 --> 00:57:37.825
Yep.

00:57:38.670 --> 00:57:39.720
Let's go over to Martin.

00:57:40.350 --> 00:57:42.060
Martin, ganon, how do
you pronounce that?

00:57:42.060 --> 00:57:42.640
Gan-yon.

00:57:42.765 --> 00:57:47.050
Martin Gagnon asks, for
my hunting rig, with

00:57:47.090 --> 00:57:49.710
weight saving in mind,
should I go with a pencil

00:57:49.710 --> 00:57:52.720
barrel or a carbon fiber
wrap of the same length?

00:57:52.830 --> 00:57:53.340
Yeah, okay.

00:57:53.810 --> 00:57:54.530
That's a good question.

00:57:55.340 --> 00:57:58.070
I mean, again, it kind
of comes down to, is

00:57:58.100 --> 00:57:59.870
qualifying what you want
to do with it right?

00:58:00.590 --> 00:58:04.265
The reality is that
Pencil barrels are

00:58:04.265 --> 00:58:08.654
great for weight but
after a few shots, they

00:58:08.654 --> 00:58:10.875
tend to open up and it
doesn't really seem to

00:58:10.875 --> 00:58:12.884
matter what you do with
the stress-relieving.

00:58:13.765 --> 00:58:17.669
You know, really light
pencil barrels are kind

00:58:17.669 --> 00:58:20.250
of designed for one
or two shots in the

00:58:20.250 --> 00:58:21.930
same hole, and then
it starts to open up.

00:58:21.930 --> 00:58:23.700
So if you're going to
bang a string of 15

00:58:23.700 --> 00:58:25.859
through it and wonder
why it doesn't all go

00:58:25.859 --> 00:58:27.839
through the same hole
at a hundred metres,

00:58:27.899 --> 00:58:30.629
you need to rearrange
your thought process

00:58:30.629 --> 00:58:31.890
on why you got this.

00:58:32.100 --> 00:58:32.490
Right.

00:58:32.839 --> 00:58:33.109
Okay.

00:58:33.109 --> 00:58:36.540
So with carbon fiber
barrels, you're going to

00:58:36.540 --> 00:58:39.750
get a light steel liner
on the inside, which

00:58:39.750 --> 00:58:42.509
may be about the same
size as just a straight

00:58:42.740 --> 00:58:44.090
steel pencil barrel.

00:58:44.690 --> 00:58:46.750
I know for ours,
the internal liners

00:58:46.750 --> 00:58:48.650
about 63 I think.

00:58:48.650 --> 00:58:51.610
Which at the muzzle
is about the same size

00:58:51.610 --> 00:58:52.520
as our medium hunter.

00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:55.100
So the medium hunters
shoot really well.

00:58:56.320 --> 00:58:58.490
So if we can increase
the stiffness a bit

00:58:58.490 --> 00:59:00.529
by adding some carbon
fiber, which only really

00:59:00.529 --> 00:59:04.754
adds a few ounces to
the barrel, then you'll

00:59:04.754 --> 00:59:07.305
probably prevent it
from opening up a little

00:59:07.305 --> 00:59:09.615
bit, by having the
carbon fiber on there.

00:59:10.214 --> 00:59:12.435
You'll prevent it from
opening up over a longer

00:59:12.524 --> 00:59:13.805
period ring of shots.

00:59:13.895 --> 00:59:14.254
Right.

00:59:14.584 --> 00:59:16.865
So you'll probably get,
well, I mean, we've

00:59:16.865 --> 00:59:19.774
seen guys with a carbon
fiber barrel shoot, 10

00:59:19.774 --> 00:59:21.845
shot strings all into,
you know, the size of

00:59:21.845 --> 00:59:23.915
a dime or a nickel or
whatever the case may be.

00:59:24.095 --> 00:59:24.424
Right.

00:59:24.575 --> 00:59:26.734
You probably aren't
going to get a string

00:59:26.734 --> 00:59:29.195
of 10 shots out of
a medium hunter that

00:59:29.195 --> 00:59:30.645
all go through the
same hole, although

00:59:30.645 --> 00:59:31.495
I have seen it done.

00:59:32.365 --> 00:59:35.525
It's, I probably wouldn't
recommend buying that

00:59:35.655 --> 00:59:37.315
style of barrel if that's
what you want to do.

00:59:37.545 --> 00:59:38.835
Maybe get something
a little bit heavier,

00:59:38.835 --> 00:59:40.785
get the carbon fiber
version cause we can

00:59:40.785 --> 00:59:44.025
add stiffness to it
with minimal weight with

00:59:44.025 --> 00:59:45.075
the carbon fiber so.

00:59:45.725 --> 00:59:46.055
Beauty.

00:59:46.335 --> 00:59:48.135
Martin, I would say
probably the carbon

00:59:48.135 --> 00:59:50.055
fiber would be the way
to go if you're hunting

00:59:50.055 --> 00:59:52.485
sheep or something along
those lines and it's a

00:59:52.485 --> 00:59:55.665
one or a two shot go you
know, you might want to

00:59:55.665 --> 00:59:57.345
think about maybe just
the straight medium

00:59:57.345 --> 00:59:59.895
hunter or even a fluted
medium hunter, which will

00:59:59.895 --> 01:00:01.905
bang a few more ounces
off for you if you're

01:00:01.905 --> 01:00:03.805
really trying to save.

01:00:04.415 --> 01:00:07.605
But I think for rigidity
over the same sort

01:00:07.605 --> 01:00:09.825
of weight, you're,
the carbon fiber is

01:00:09.825 --> 01:00:11.175
going to win pretty
much every time.

01:00:12.135 --> 01:00:14.565
Okay, next one,
John Gingrich.

01:00:14.625 --> 01:00:15.325
John, good ol' John.

01:00:15.495 --> 01:00:19.350
Asks fast twist
22 barrels.

01:00:19.350 --> 01:00:19.440
Yeah.

01:00:19.700 --> 01:00:21.080
It's kind of funny
cause I actually had

01:00:21.080 --> 01:00:22.850
a phone conversation
with John about fast

01:00:22.850 --> 01:00:25.340
twist 22 barrels
about two days ago.

01:00:26.450 --> 01:00:28.610
And the answer is
yes, there will be

01:00:28.610 --> 01:00:29.829
some coming shortly.

01:00:30.099 --> 01:00:30.529
Nice.

01:00:30.769 --> 01:00:30.989
Yeah.

01:00:31.139 --> 01:00:32.960
So right now our
22 barrels are

01:00:32.960 --> 01:00:34.200
all 1 in 16 twist.

01:00:35.320 --> 01:00:37.430
We are experimenting,
we will be

01:00:37.430 --> 01:00:38.480
experimenting shortly.

01:00:38.480 --> 01:00:40.400
The barrels should
be getting pulled

01:00:40.400 --> 01:00:42.990
this week actually,
in 1 in 12 twists

01:00:42.990 --> 01:00:44.630
and 1 in nine twist.

01:00:45.120 --> 01:00:47.520
So the fast twist barrels
are going to give us a

01:00:47.520 --> 01:00:49.880
little more stability.

01:00:50.190 --> 01:00:50.510
Right.

01:00:50.560 --> 01:00:51.210
At longer ranges.

01:00:51.210 --> 01:00:55.575
So the idea is that,
probably the 16, we

01:00:55.575 --> 01:00:58.065
know those shoot really
well, out to 100, we've

01:00:58.065 --> 01:00:59.445
seen some groups that
are around the half

01:00:59.445 --> 01:01:00.795
minute at a hundred.

01:01:01.505 --> 01:01:05.265
And I'm sure the 12 and
the nine will also shoot

01:01:05.265 --> 01:01:08.655
really well out to a
hundred, probably even

01:01:08.685 --> 01:01:11.235
a little further than
that, 150, maybe 180,

01:01:11.235 --> 01:01:11.945
something like that.

01:01:12.655 --> 01:01:15.165
But once you start
getting past that sort

01:01:15.165 --> 01:01:17.495
of 200 metre mark,
which is really common

01:01:17.495 --> 01:01:20.825
today with the rimfire
PRS type matches where

01:01:20.825 --> 01:01:22.834
you're trying to bang
steel anywhere out

01:01:22.834 --> 01:01:25.174
to, well I mean, back
East, they shoot them

01:01:25.174 --> 01:01:26.225
out in 500 metres.

01:01:26.595 --> 01:01:26.694
Right.

01:01:26.694 --> 01:01:30.654
With a 22 long
rifle, so once.

01:01:31.154 --> 01:01:32.165
500 hundred metres, 22?

01:01:32.165 --> 01:01:33.095
I know it's crazy, right.

01:01:33.125 --> 01:01:35.785
The furthest I've
shot is 436, I think.

01:01:35.785 --> 01:01:36.215
That's impressive.

01:01:36.215 --> 01:01:36.995
To a piece of steal.

01:01:36.995 --> 01:01:38.345
Yeah, that was good yep.

01:01:39.115 --> 01:01:40.984
And that was
crappy ammo too.

01:01:41.294 --> 01:01:41.595
Mmm.

01:01:41.830 --> 01:01:43.780
So what they're looking
for is a little more

01:01:43.780 --> 01:01:46.480
rotational stability
past that sort of

01:01:46.510 --> 01:01:47.560
200 metre mark.

01:01:48.160 --> 01:01:51.250
So what you'll notice
if you've shot rimfire

01:01:51.250 --> 01:01:53.080
is that you start to
get more fliers the

01:01:53.080 --> 01:01:53.950
further out you go.

01:01:54.010 --> 01:01:55.540
And that's probably
a combination of a

01:01:55.540 --> 01:01:56.280
couple of things.

01:01:56.310 --> 01:01:59.720
22 rimfire bullets,
their ballistic

01:01:59.740 --> 01:02:03.629
coefficient is terrible
so that doesn't help.

01:02:04.349 --> 01:02:07.379
But also your well,
two things can happen,

01:02:07.379 --> 01:02:09.839
you can go through the
transonic zone if you're

01:02:10.410 --> 01:02:13.169
shooting supersonic
stuff, which I've seen

01:02:13.169 --> 01:02:16.240
personally at about
the 300 metre mark.

01:02:16.890 --> 01:02:19.799
The vast majority of
your shots will go where

01:02:19.799 --> 01:02:22.410
they're aimed, but you'll
get the odd one here

01:02:22.410 --> 01:02:24.820
and there that catches
the wrong something,

01:02:24.820 --> 01:02:26.710
and it goes two feet
lower, two feet higher.

01:02:26.710 --> 01:02:27.780
You get a weird
flyer and.

01:02:27.780 --> 01:02:27.890
Right.

01:02:27.890 --> 01:02:29.260
It's like, I didn't
call that, why's

01:02:29.260 --> 01:02:29.980
it way over there.

01:02:31.140 --> 01:02:33.850
So the idea  with the
faster twist rates

01:02:33.850 --> 01:02:37.540
is to eliminate a
lot of that transonic

01:02:37.600 --> 01:02:39.610
zone D stability.

01:02:40.210 --> 01:02:41.160
Now guys, that shoot.

01:02:41.270 --> 01:02:42.730
And for people who
don't know what a

01:02:42.730 --> 01:02:43.630
transonic zone is.

01:02:43.980 --> 01:02:47.280
Well, so it's the zone
in between where the

01:02:47.280 --> 01:02:49.560
bullet is supersonic
and going to subsonic.

01:02:49.590 --> 01:02:49.800
Right.

01:02:49.860 --> 01:02:53.580
So it's this area where
all kinds of wacky stuff

01:02:53.670 --> 01:02:54.660
can happen to the bullet.

01:02:54.840 --> 01:02:56.970
And when it's slowing
down, it hits this zone

01:02:56.970 --> 01:02:58.890
and then it becomes,
can become unstable.

01:02:59.460 --> 01:03:00.840
So it doesn't happen
all the time, but

01:03:00.870 --> 01:03:02.520
you get those weird
fliers every now and

01:03:02.520 --> 01:03:04.690
again, in my opinion,
I think it's probably

01:03:04.710 --> 01:03:06.840
because the supersonic
stuff is going through

01:03:06.840 --> 01:03:07.800
that transonic zone.

01:03:08.580 --> 01:03:10.900
Now there are guys that
shoot subsonic like

01:03:10.900 --> 01:03:13.565
myself because I saw
those weird wacky flyers

01:03:13.565 --> 01:03:15.634
and I thought, Hmm,
I wonder if I stayed

01:03:15.665 --> 01:03:17.855
subsonic all the way out
there, whether that would

01:03:17.855 --> 01:03:18.815
eliminate a lot of that.

01:03:18.815 --> 01:03:20.095
And for the most
part, it did,

01:03:21.535 --> 01:03:22.444
depending on the ammo.

01:03:22.535 --> 01:03:25.805
But you still get
the odd flyer and

01:03:25.805 --> 01:03:27.435
when you're subsonic,
you're also dealing

01:03:27.435 --> 01:03:29.365
with more wind and.

01:03:29.365 --> 01:03:29.654
Right.

01:03:29.654 --> 01:03:31.444
More dope and all
that kind of stuff.

01:03:31.475 --> 01:03:33.444
So you have to
deal with that.

01:03:33.984 --> 01:03:37.115
So if we can add a little
more rotational stability

01:03:37.115 --> 01:03:39.605
to these projectiles,
we may eliminate some

01:03:39.605 --> 01:03:40.565
of those weird fliers.

01:03:41.085 --> 01:03:41.415
Beauty.

01:03:41.445 --> 01:03:43.005
That guys are seeing
past that sort of

01:03:43.005 --> 01:03:43.845
200 metre mark.

01:03:44.535 --> 01:03:46.455
So we're going to
be testing that

01:03:46.485 --> 01:03:47.235
here shortly.

01:03:47.235 --> 01:03:49.530
And I would probably
imagine that we

01:03:49.530 --> 01:03:51.300
will have barrels
available, providing

01:03:51.300 --> 01:03:52.980
the testing does what
we think it will do.

01:03:53.010 --> 01:03:54.960
Hopefully we'll do some
videos on it so guys can

01:03:54.960 --> 01:03:57.130
actually watch it, which
would be kinda neat.

01:03:57.530 --> 01:04:00.720
And it will probably
have barrels available

01:04:01.560 --> 01:04:03.770
probably January,
I would think.

01:04:03.770 --> 01:04:04.170
Nice!

01:04:04.270 --> 01:04:04.470
Yeah.

01:04:04.470 --> 01:04:06.270
I need some testing
over the winter here.

01:04:06.720 --> 01:04:07.570
Get a few things done.

01:04:07.790 --> 01:04:08.550
Well that's exciting.

01:04:08.600 --> 01:04:08.810
Yeah.

01:04:08.990 --> 01:04:10.890
It's kind of cool
because, I don't think

01:04:10.910 --> 01:04:12.710
there's too many other
companies, well I know

01:04:12.710 --> 01:04:14.229
there's nobody else in
Canada that does it.

01:04:14.229 --> 01:04:17.590
But even in the States,
I don't think the fast

01:04:17.590 --> 01:04:20.390
twist 22 barrels are
really super common yet.

01:04:20.450 --> 01:04:20.779
Right.

01:04:21.049 --> 01:04:22.790
So we're hoping to
jump on that one.

01:04:23.500 --> 01:04:24.279
That'd be pretty cool.

01:04:24.310 --> 01:04:24.430
Yep.

01:04:25.029 --> 01:04:25.330
Okay.

01:04:25.330 --> 01:04:28.509
So we've got a number of,
there's no names attached

01:04:28.509 --> 01:04:29.370
to these questions.

01:04:29.370 --> 01:04:29.650
Alright.

01:04:29.779 --> 01:04:30.970
And some of them
I'm looking at them.

01:04:30.970 --> 01:04:32.319
They're already
repeat, so we'll just

01:04:32.319 --> 01:04:33.009
bang through them.

01:04:33.009 --> 01:04:33.399
Sure.

01:04:33.709 --> 01:04:34.169
Quickly.

01:04:35.085 --> 01:04:35.995
Cold bore vs.

01:04:36.015 --> 01:04:36.795
Clean bore.

01:04:36.975 --> 01:04:37.275
Yup.

01:04:37.725 --> 01:04:42.465
So first round shot,
and any deviation that

01:04:42.465 --> 01:04:44.745
you might find, there's
people that talk about

01:04:44.745 --> 01:04:46.915
cold bore shot and
other people say nah,

01:04:46.915 --> 01:04:48.555
nah, nah, it's because
it's a clean bore shot.

01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:49.650
Okay.

01:04:49.650 --> 01:04:53.200
So cold bore, I think
honestly is morelikely

01:04:53.220 --> 01:04:54.260
cold shooter shot.

01:04:54.540 --> 01:04:54.680
Right.

01:04:54.680 --> 01:04:56.400
I don't really
believe in the whole

01:04:56.400 --> 01:04:57.240
cold bore thing.

01:04:57.270 --> 01:04:58.950
Now clean bore is
completely different

01:04:58.950 --> 01:04:59.730
kind of topic.

01:04:59.790 --> 01:05:01.260
The two are kind of
apples and oranges.

01:05:01.650 --> 01:05:03.420
Clean bore,
yes, definitely.

01:05:03.660 --> 01:05:06.915
Things are gonna change
as you put some fouling

01:05:06.915 --> 01:05:07.544
through the barrel.

01:05:08.625 --> 01:05:11.444
So as far as cold bore
goes, I'm not really

01:05:11.444 --> 01:05:12.495
much of a believer.

01:05:12.595 --> 01:05:17.294
I know that in my case,
when I've got up to the

01:05:17.294 --> 01:05:19.995
line and I've fired the
first shot of the day

01:05:19.995 --> 01:05:24.254
and it's not gone where
I wanted it to, I usually

01:05:24.254 --> 01:05:26.924
generally can eliminate
that by dry firing a

01:05:26.924 --> 01:05:28.725
few times, and sort of
getting back into the

01:05:28.725 --> 01:05:33.165
rhythm of what firing a
perfect shot feels like.

01:05:33.285 --> 01:05:33.585
Right.

01:05:34.095 --> 01:05:37.095
So for me, I've basically
dry fired a few times

01:05:37.095 --> 01:05:40.335
before, and generally
speaking, those rounds

01:05:40.335 --> 01:05:42.795
that you fire on the
cold bore, go where

01:05:42.795 --> 01:05:43.424
you want them to.

01:05:43.424 --> 01:05:46.875
So in my opinion, for
me, there's no such thing

01:05:46.875 --> 01:05:49.095
as a cold bore for me,
it's more of a cold me

01:05:49.215 --> 01:05:50.235
than it is a cold bore.

01:05:50.404 --> 01:05:51.075
Yeah, I agree with that.

01:05:51.105 --> 01:05:52.115
Now, clean shooting.

01:05:52.664 --> 01:05:54.075
There's definitely
something

01:05:54.075 --> 01:05:55.200
there, for sure.

01:05:55.830 --> 01:05:57.420
I mean, if you look at
the bench rest guys,

01:05:57.720 --> 01:06:00.990
they'll clean after a 10
shot string and then fire

01:06:00.990 --> 01:06:03.060
a couple more sighters,
or fowlers through

01:06:03.060 --> 01:06:03.990
it to get it back.

01:06:04.230 --> 01:06:04.590
Right.

01:06:04.860 --> 01:06:07.140
And so I think there's
something to be

01:06:07.140 --> 01:06:08.130
said there for sure.

01:06:08.130 --> 01:06:10.830
Clean bore and foul
bore are, are different.

01:06:11.550 --> 01:06:13.110
So next question.

01:06:13.200 --> 01:06:14.610
How often do you
clean your barrel?

01:06:14.910 --> 01:06:16.230
Well, hmm.

01:06:16.670 --> 01:06:17.710
It depends on the barrel.

01:06:17.790 --> 01:06:19.730
Like the rimfire
barrel, like I said,

01:06:19.730 --> 01:06:23.630
I got 10,000 rounds
through it and I pull

01:06:23.630 --> 01:06:25.620
it once and I was sorry
that I pulled it so.

01:06:25.620 --> 01:06:26.070
Yeah, yeah.

01:06:26.200 --> 01:06:27.110
I'd probably
just leave it.

01:06:27.600 --> 01:06:29.945
As far as rimfire goes,
I clean the chamber a

01:06:29.945 --> 01:06:32.415
lot and the action to
make sure that all the

01:06:32.415 --> 01:06:34.535
gunge that comes out
of there is taken out.

01:06:34.535 --> 01:06:38.075
And with rimfire in
particular, one of

01:06:38.435 --> 01:06:40.615
the downsides we're
figuring out is the lube,

01:06:41.265 --> 01:06:43.415
especially in winter
conditions, can cause

01:06:43.415 --> 01:06:47.665
all kinds of extraction
issues in the cold.

01:06:47.855 --> 01:06:48.155
Right.

01:06:48.185 --> 01:06:50.645
Because that lube
is instantaneously

01:06:50.645 --> 01:06:52.895
hot and then
instantaneously frozen,

01:06:52.895 --> 01:06:53.855
if it's below zero.

01:06:54.015 --> 01:06:54.295
Right.

01:06:54.595 --> 01:06:57.754
So that can cause all
kinds of shenanigans.

01:06:58.355 --> 01:07:01.595
As far as centerfire
goes, I used to be

01:07:01.595 --> 01:07:04.055
of the opinion that
just clean it until

01:07:04.055 --> 01:07:05.154
it stops shooting.

01:07:06.504 --> 01:07:06.895
Well.

01:07:07.384 --> 01:07:09.085
Sorry, clean
it until stops?

01:07:09.294 --> 01:07:09.634
Pardon me.

01:07:09.634 --> 01:07:10.615
Or clean it
when it stops?

01:07:10.924 --> 01:07:12.245
Clean it when it
stops shooting.

01:07:12.245 --> 01:07:12.354
Right.

01:07:12.354 --> 01:07:14.785
Just shoot it until its
not shooting anymore.

01:07:14.815 --> 01:07:14.904
Right.

01:07:15.205 --> 01:07:16.174
So I think my.

01:07:17.214 --> 01:07:18.274
You've changed
that have ya?

01:07:18.294 --> 01:07:20.455
I have, yeah, my
realization recently

01:07:20.455 --> 01:07:24.330
has been that, I think
you should pay a little

01:07:24.330 --> 01:07:28.290
bit more attention
to it because it may

01:07:28.290 --> 01:07:31.529
stop shooting and
you may not realize

01:07:31.620 --> 01:07:32.130
that it's shooting.

01:07:32.130 --> 01:07:36.990
Like I've run, well I
think I've the most I've

01:07:36.990 --> 01:07:39.560
done is about six or 700
rounds without cleaning.

01:07:39.950 --> 01:07:40.500
Right.

01:07:40.500 --> 01:07:42.690
Still again, paying more
attention to the chamber

01:07:42.690 --> 01:07:45.090
than anything else, but
not pulling the bore.

01:07:45.090 --> 01:07:46.590
That'd be like
in a 223 or?

01:07:46.620 --> 01:07:48.320
No, that was my
competition 6mil.

01:07:48.460 --> 01:07:48.799
Okay.

01:07:48.830 --> 01:07:49.220
Yep.

01:07:49.779 --> 01:07:51.535
Trying to push the limits
and see what I could do.

01:07:51.595 --> 01:07:52.175
Yeah, yeah.

01:07:52.175 --> 01:07:55.455
And so, you know, I'd
take it to a competition

01:07:55.455 --> 01:07:56.985
and it had three or
400 rounds through it.

01:07:59.064 --> 01:08:01.605
And then maybe not have
quite the results that

01:08:01.605 --> 01:08:04.044
you were kind of hoping
for and then come back

01:08:04.044 --> 01:08:06.825
after the competition
and put it on paper.

01:08:06.825 --> 01:08:09.045
And, Oh, look at that,
it's shooting like

01:08:09.045 --> 01:08:10.815
an inch at a hundred
or an inch and a

01:08:10.815 --> 01:08:11.475
half at a hundred.

01:08:12.615 --> 01:08:15.555
And then put a borescope
in there and go, wow,

01:08:15.615 --> 01:08:17.295
there's a lot of copper
and stuff in there.

01:08:17.415 --> 01:08:20.595
So then you strip all
that out and take the

01:08:20.595 --> 01:08:22.604
Wipe Out and put it
in there and drain

01:08:22.604 --> 01:08:25.035
it and clean it out.

01:08:25.484 --> 01:08:27.734
Take it back to the
range, and lo and behold,

01:08:27.734 --> 01:08:30.495
it's back to shooting,
you know, 0.3 or 0.4

01:08:30.495 --> 01:08:31.425
or whatever the case.

01:08:31.604 --> 01:08:31.995
Right.

01:08:32.325 --> 01:08:36.944
So I think for me, now,
I'm going to definitely,

01:08:36.944 --> 01:08:40.005
probably clean and
completely stripped

01:08:40.005 --> 01:08:43.005
to copper probably
a lot faster now.

01:08:43.064 --> 01:08:45.135
Probably every four or
500 rounds I'll probably

01:08:45.135 --> 01:08:47.875
take it down to the bare
steel and then refoul

01:08:47.894 --> 01:08:48.675
and then go again.

01:08:49.785 --> 01:08:50.804
But you know.

01:08:51.064 --> 01:08:52.174
Fouling a couple
of rounds.

01:08:52.794 --> 01:08:53.134
Yeah.

01:08:53.964 --> 01:08:56.444
If you do it like a
deep strip with out

01:08:56.444 --> 01:08:59.214
and you get all the
copper out, it might

01:08:59.234 --> 01:09:00.255
take you more than that.

01:09:00.345 --> 01:09:02.654
It could take you
20, 30 rounds to sort

01:09:02.654 --> 01:09:04.894
of get it back on
track, but it really

01:09:04.894 --> 01:09:06.734
depends on the rifle.

01:09:07.080 --> 01:09:07.680
It's hard to say.

01:09:07.920 --> 01:09:10.440
Well this, is bleeds
into the next question.

01:09:10.440 --> 01:09:12.150
Now you've mentioned
Wipe Out a few times.

01:09:12.150 --> 01:09:12.730
Yeah I have.

01:09:13.000 --> 01:09:13.810
Okay so.

01:09:13.840 --> 01:09:14.390
It's my go to.

01:09:15.014 --> 01:09:16.424
Best practices
for cleaning.

01:09:16.785 --> 01:09:18.104
Best practices
for cleaning.

01:09:18.104 --> 01:09:18.764
Okay well.

01:09:19.035 --> 01:09:19.995
And that's going
to change for

01:09:19.995 --> 01:09:20.904
whoever you talk to.

01:09:20.974 --> 01:09:22.854
I mean, you know, you
got guys that are still

01:09:22.854 --> 01:09:25.174
using hop's number nine.

01:09:25.564 --> 01:09:27.454
With the nitro
benzene it in.

01:09:27.454 --> 01:09:29.164
Yes, nitro benzene,
and they swear by it.

01:09:29.164 --> 01:09:33.930
And you know, in the
barrel industry I get to

01:09:33.930 --> 01:09:37.170
clean lots of stuff after
testing and whatnot and

01:09:37.470 --> 01:09:39.460
the reason I mentioned
Wipe Out is simply

01:09:39.460 --> 01:09:42.570
because I will clean
or I have clean stuff

01:09:42.570 --> 01:09:46.050
with other things in
the past and hmm, still

01:09:46.050 --> 01:09:47.480
not doing what I thought
it would be doing.

01:09:47.480 --> 01:09:48.780
And then I take the
Wipe Out in there and

01:09:48.780 --> 01:09:49.470
guess what comes out.

01:09:49.710 --> 01:09:50.040
Right.

01:09:50.310 --> 01:09:52.080
A metric shit ton
of copper comes

01:09:52.080 --> 01:09:53.070
out with Wipe Out.

01:09:53.550 --> 01:09:55.440
And it was all stuff
that had been cleaned out

01:09:55.440 --> 01:09:59.000
previously before with
other types of cleaner

01:10:00.560 --> 01:10:02.924
and I can verify it all,
but with a borescope.

01:10:03.105 --> 01:10:03.344
Yep.

01:10:03.915 --> 01:10:05.775
So I can just look
in there and see what

01:10:05.775 --> 01:10:07.495
happens after you
clean with some stuff.

01:10:07.495 --> 01:10:10.945
And then I mean, I don't
own stocks in Wipe Out

01:10:10.964 --> 01:10:12.585
or anything, but I'll
tell you what it, it

01:10:12.585 --> 01:10:13.815
cleans very, very well.

01:10:13.945 --> 01:10:16.085
That's the ammonia
based, whatever in

01:10:16.085 --> 01:10:17.155
there that you can
smell, it's really.

01:10:17.155 --> 01:10:17.434
You can.

01:10:17.795 --> 01:10:18.905
Attacking the copper.

01:10:18.934 --> 01:10:19.144
Yeah.

01:10:19.144 --> 01:10:22.560
And I think the foaming
bore cleaner type

01:10:22.560 --> 01:10:24.570
style is really good
for getting into all

01:10:24.570 --> 01:10:26.340
the nooks and crannies
and whatnot as well.

01:10:26.490 --> 01:10:28.750
And just letting it
sort of sit on the

01:10:28.750 --> 01:10:30.870
bore and really get
into the copper.

01:10:30.960 --> 01:10:33.630
So you'd use forming as
opposed to the patch out?

01:10:33.660 --> 01:10:34.570
I've used them both.

01:10:34.650 --> 01:10:35.190
Yeah.

01:10:36.280 --> 01:10:39.225
Usually what I'll do is
I will take my barrel

01:10:39.465 --> 01:10:42.644
and take the bolt out
and lean it up against

01:10:42.644 --> 01:10:45.435
the wall, barrel a muzzle
down and just squirt

01:10:45.435 --> 01:10:47.265
the foaming bore cleaner
in there and make sure

01:10:47.265 --> 01:10:49.275
you put a paper towel
or something under the

01:10:49.565 --> 01:10:53.675
muzzle, because you'll
get a whole pile of blue

01:10:53.855 --> 01:10:56.345
Smurf snot that comes out
of there, and that's all

01:10:56.345 --> 01:10:57.305
the copper draining out.

01:10:58.055 --> 01:11:02.144
So I'll do that
and then I will run

01:11:02.160 --> 01:11:02.759
some wet patches.

01:11:03.290 --> 01:11:06.230
Isn't that why they
sell those oilcan.

01:11:06.259 --> 01:11:06.469
Oh yeah.

01:11:06.950 --> 01:11:07.940
Wish.com, right?

01:11:07.940 --> 01:11:08.509
That's right.

01:11:08.509 --> 01:11:09.339
Yeah, solvent trap.

01:11:09.409 --> 01:11:09.739
Solvent trap.

01:11:10.159 --> 01:11:10.779
Solvent trap.

01:11:10.779 --> 01:11:11.559
Yeah, get those.

01:11:11.679 --> 01:11:11.839
Not.

01:11:11.839 --> 01:11:12.450
Yeah, there you go.

01:11:12.629 --> 01:11:13.670
Yeah, if you want
to end up in jail,

01:11:13.670 --> 01:11:14.150
don't do that.

01:11:14.179 --> 01:11:14.540
That's right.

01:11:15.310 --> 01:11:17.870
Yeah, so all the
blue stuff comes out.

01:11:18.049 --> 01:11:19.639
So then I'll push
a couple of wet

01:11:19.639 --> 01:11:21.410
patches through and
see how that looks.

01:11:21.469 --> 01:11:23.330
And then usually I'll
lean it up against

01:11:23.330 --> 01:11:25.490
the wall again, and
squirt the foaming

01:11:25.490 --> 01:11:26.780
stuff in there and
just let it sit.

01:11:27.710 --> 01:11:32.070
You know and I may
have to squirt the

01:11:32.090 --> 01:11:33.950
foaming stuff in there
five or six times,

01:11:34.670 --> 01:11:35.360
just to make sure.

01:11:35.360 --> 01:11:37.340
And you'll know because
none of the blue stuff

01:11:37.340 --> 01:11:39.410
comes out in the end
when you just let it

01:11:39.410 --> 01:11:41.179
sit in there and then
some dry patches.

01:11:41.179 --> 01:11:42.889
And then, I mean, if
you want to put oil in

01:11:42.889 --> 01:11:44.269
your barrel, I guess
that's fine, but make

01:11:44.269 --> 01:11:45.740
sure you dry patch
it before you shoot.

01:11:46.570 --> 01:11:47.349
A lot of brushing?

01:11:47.710 --> 01:11:47.950
Nope.

01:11:48.340 --> 01:11:49.420
No brush, no nylon?

01:11:49.420 --> 01:11:49.910
No brush.

01:11:49.950 --> 01:11:51.050
No copper, just patch?

01:11:51.050 --> 01:11:51.610
No, don't need it.

01:11:51.610 --> 01:11:52.809
The Wipe Out takes
out everything

01:11:52.809 --> 01:11:53.830
without a brush.

01:11:53.860 --> 01:11:56.539
I mean, if you had a
really stubborn copper

01:11:56.539 --> 01:12:00.375
issue, you could probably
you could probably use

01:12:00.375 --> 01:12:02.115
a brush if you want.

01:12:02.115 --> 01:12:05.844
Just be aware that copper
brushes or brass brushes

01:12:05.894 --> 01:12:08.145
seem to be effected
by Wipe Out as well.

01:12:08.545 --> 01:12:08.895
They will yep.

01:12:09.045 --> 01:12:14.005
So it will eat your
brush bristles.

01:12:14.025 --> 01:12:15.585
And if it's a copper
brush, it might

01:12:15.585 --> 01:12:18.165
even leave false
readings on your

01:12:18.605 --> 01:12:19.585
patches and  whatnot.

01:12:20.445 --> 01:12:22.795
So I don't even
really find any need

01:12:22.795 --> 01:12:24.405
to brush it out.

01:12:25.605 --> 01:12:27.105
You had one person
say, he says, Oh no,

01:12:27.105 --> 01:12:28.545
I always use nylon
because it won't

01:12:28.615 --> 01:12:29.565
won't harm the bore.

01:12:29.565 --> 01:12:30.795
And then somebody else
says, well, have you

01:12:30.795 --> 01:12:33.525
ever looked at the
eyelits on a fishing rod?

01:12:33.525 --> 01:12:35.055
And they got the nylon
going through and then

01:12:35.055 --> 01:12:36.165
over time it eats away.

01:12:36.195 --> 01:12:36.405
Yeah.

01:12:36.929 --> 01:12:38.040
You know, it all
does something.

01:12:38.100 --> 01:12:38.480
Yeah.

01:12:39.520 --> 01:12:41.920
The other one I get
is a bore snakes.

01:12:42.150 --> 01:12:42.510
Right.

01:12:42.510 --> 01:12:44.639
This seems to be
an ongoing saga

01:12:44.730 --> 01:12:45.709
of the bore snake.

01:12:47.070 --> 01:12:51.270
And so I try to explain
it a few times and I'm

01:12:52.180 --> 01:12:56.235
not a guy that would
ever run a bore snake

01:12:56.235 --> 01:12:57.135
through a precision gun.

01:12:57.225 --> 01:12:57.555
No.

01:12:57.585 --> 01:12:59.475
Would I carry one in
my pocket for hunting

01:12:59.475 --> 01:13:02.685
in case I lawn dart
my rifle into the

01:13:02.715 --> 01:13:03.675
dirt when I trip?

01:13:03.705 --> 01:13:04.065
Sure.

01:13:04.125 --> 01:13:04.365
Yeah.

01:13:04.425 --> 01:13:04.875
Why not?

01:13:05.045 --> 01:13:06.585
That would be good
to get all the crap

01:13:06.585 --> 01:13:07.185
out of the barrel.

01:13:07.245 --> 01:13:10.665
It's fine in an emergency
case, but as a regular

01:13:10.665 --> 01:13:13.830
cleaning thing, I
would never run bore

01:13:13.830 --> 01:13:16.740
snakes through my gun
simply because it's

01:13:16.740 --> 01:13:18.990
very easy to wear the
edge off of the crown.

01:13:19.030 --> 01:13:19.340
Right.

01:13:19.740 --> 01:13:20.580
With a bore snake.

01:13:20.940 --> 01:13:22.590
You might think you're
pulling it out straight

01:13:22.590 --> 01:13:24.350
and you might pull it
out straight sometime,

01:13:24.830 --> 01:13:25.680
but you might not.

01:13:25.740 --> 01:13:29.055
And all it takes to
affect your accuracy at

01:13:29.055 --> 01:13:32.805
the nth level, is just
to take the edge off

01:13:32.805 --> 01:13:33.765
of the crown somewhere.

01:13:33.945 --> 01:13:37.434
And then things
start eroding even

01:13:37.485 --> 01:13:38.415
faster after that.

01:13:38.415 --> 01:13:43.425
So for me, I always,
like a plastic coated

01:13:43.665 --> 01:13:46.575
steel rod and that
works the best.

01:13:47.235 --> 01:13:49.725
And are using
a bore guide?

01:13:50.250 --> 01:13:50.520
No.

01:13:50.820 --> 01:13:51.030
No?

01:13:51.210 --> 01:13:52.770
I don't, but I know
lots of people do.

01:13:52.770 --> 01:13:52.860
Okay.

01:13:52.860 --> 01:13:54.220
But I don't know.

01:13:54.460 --> 01:13:55.500
You can, if you want.

01:13:55.550 --> 01:13:56.200
Just be careful.

01:13:56.309 --> 01:13:57.650
Yeah, just put
it in straight.

01:13:57.660 --> 01:13:58.890
Like don't jam
it in like a.

01:13:59.520 --> 01:14:00.010
Like a flicka.

01:14:00.060 --> 01:14:00.650
Like a monkey.

01:14:00.740 --> 01:14:01.260
There ya go.

01:14:02.270 --> 01:14:05.520
And with the Wipe Out
as well, I'm told that

01:14:05.680 --> 01:14:07.550
you get that on your
dining room table and

01:14:07.550 --> 01:14:08.390
it can attack the.

01:14:08.930 --> 01:14:09.710
You're told that?

01:14:09.750 --> 01:14:10.200
This is what I.

01:14:10.200 --> 01:14:10.940
Who told you that?

01:14:10.940 --> 01:14:11.750
This is what I hear.

01:14:12.190 --> 01:14:13.720
I think somebody that
lives with you might've

01:14:13.720 --> 01:14:14.560
told you that maybe.

01:14:14.590 --> 01:14:16.370
So word on the street is.

01:14:17.650 --> 01:14:19.270
Figured out
via experience.

01:14:20.560 --> 01:14:21.580
Fire lapping.

01:14:21.760 --> 01:14:22.450
Oh my God.

01:14:22.450 --> 01:14:23.100
Fire lapping.

01:14:23.260 --> 01:14:23.680
Okay.

01:14:23.770 --> 01:14:26.010
So we had somebody askin
about fire lapping.

01:14:26.110 --> 01:14:27.600
Yeah, I don't,
I've tried.

01:14:27.620 --> 01:14:28.740
Maximize throat errosion?

01:14:28.780 --> 01:14:29.590
I've tried it.

01:14:30.030 --> 01:14:35.430
I think what fire lapping
is, is simply a way to

01:14:36.450 --> 01:14:39.300
take your throat errosion
down a couple of notches.

01:14:40.020 --> 01:14:43.735
To take the rough edges
off of fire cracking,

01:14:43.735 --> 01:14:45.855
right in the throat.

01:14:46.585 --> 01:14:49.095
I've shot some of the
little kits that you can

01:14:49.095 --> 01:14:51.535
get that are fire lapping
kits through 308's

01:14:51.555 --> 01:14:53.895
that have had like six,
7,000 rounds through it.

01:14:54.375 --> 01:14:55.925
Did I see any
difference in accuracy?

01:14:56.195 --> 01:14:56.525
Nope.

01:14:56.525 --> 01:14:59.685
That doesn't mean
it wouldn't work

01:14:59.685 --> 01:15:00.395
for somebody else.

01:15:01.265 --> 01:15:05.065
On a new gun, I would
definitely not fire lap.

01:15:06.135 --> 01:15:09.810
I would leave the, if
it's a quality barrel,

01:15:09.840 --> 01:15:11.260
I would not fire lap.

01:15:11.440 --> 01:15:11.770
Right.

01:15:11.770 --> 01:15:15.690
You might have a,
maybe a factory barrel

01:15:15.690 --> 01:15:17.500
that's having some
real bad issues.

01:15:17.650 --> 01:15:20.310
Anything, you know, maybe
you borescope and you

01:15:20.310 --> 01:15:22.260
know, something's funky
in the throat there.

01:15:22.260 --> 01:15:24.570
Maybe you might want
to try fire lapping

01:15:24.660 --> 01:15:25.320
something there.

01:15:25.620 --> 01:15:26.790
Be aware that
you'll probably

01:15:26.790 --> 01:15:27.510
void your warranty.

01:15:27.695 --> 01:15:29.644
If you fire lap it
because it'd probably be

01:15:29.644 --> 01:15:31.775
very easy to see the fire
lapping on the inside.

01:15:31.775 --> 01:15:32.334
Right.

01:15:32.684 --> 01:15:33.634
Yeah, with a borescope.

01:15:34.595 --> 01:15:36.905
So for me, not
really thing, I shoot

01:15:37.235 --> 01:15:41.165
6mils, so they fire
crack very easily.

01:15:41.515 --> 01:15:43.175
You'd look at a brand
new barrel after two or

01:15:43.175 --> 01:15:45.045
300 rounds and you've got
fire cracking in there.

01:15:45.935 --> 01:15:48.485
So for me, I just use
a little bit of JB bore

01:15:48.485 --> 01:15:53.410
paste, which is a very,
very fine abrasive and

01:15:53.410 --> 01:15:57.190
I just run it into the
throat and like 20,

01:15:57.190 --> 01:15:59.200
30 strokes in there,
just in the throat

01:15:59.200 --> 01:16:01.300
area, back and forth
on little felt pellets.

01:16:01.810 --> 01:16:02.950
You could do it
on a patch too,

01:16:02.950 --> 01:16:03.700
if you needed to.

01:16:04.330 --> 01:16:06.340
And that just takes the
edge off of the fire

01:16:06.340 --> 01:16:09.010
cracking, and that's
generally all you need.

01:16:09.510 --> 01:16:09.720
Yeah.

01:16:10.200 --> 01:16:11.700
What about a carbon ring?

01:16:12.120 --> 01:16:12.720
A carbon ring.

01:16:12.720 --> 01:16:14.300
Oh my favorite,
carbon ring.

01:16:14.800 --> 01:16:16.560
Maybe we tell 'em
what it is and.

01:16:16.650 --> 01:16:16.860
Yeah.

01:16:17.410 --> 01:16:17.620
Yeah.

01:16:17.620 --> 01:16:22.650
So on these new
high-speed calibres,

01:16:24.900 --> 01:16:28.930
they are, especially the
6mils and even the 65's,

01:16:28.930 --> 01:16:30.990
to a degree, and some of
the smaller ones, like

01:16:31.080 --> 01:16:33.570
a 22 Creedmoor, you'll
probably see it as well.

01:16:34.470 --> 01:16:37.620
So when you fire, you get
a bit of a carbon ring

01:16:37.680 --> 01:16:42.160
that goes back underneath
the edge of the neck

01:16:42.190 --> 01:16:45.160
of the casing and it
forms right where the

01:16:45.180 --> 01:16:49.799
chamber basically starts,
err not the chamber,

01:16:49.799 --> 01:16:51.030
the throat starts.

01:16:53.009 --> 01:16:56.099
So just back from your
case mouth is where

01:16:56.099 --> 01:16:57.990
you'd be looking and
you get this carbon ring

01:16:57.990 --> 01:17:00.900
that goes all the way
around the case mouth.

01:17:01.650 --> 01:17:03.870
So what happens is that
carbon ring starts to

01:17:03.870 --> 01:17:07.209
build up the more you
fire and the signs

01:17:07.230 --> 01:17:09.030
of it is that your
velocity started to go

01:17:09.030 --> 01:17:11.500
crazy because you're
actually pinching the

01:17:11.500 --> 01:17:13.000
case mouth around it.

01:17:13.000 --> 01:17:15.059
So you're adding neck
tension basically.

01:17:15.099 --> 01:17:15.759
Right.

01:17:16.210 --> 01:17:17.660
To the case mouth.

01:17:18.090 --> 01:17:20.080
And so when you fire
your, you don't get

01:17:20.080 --> 01:17:22.120
the same velocity, not
a consistent velocity.

01:17:22.120 --> 01:17:25.780
So the sign of it is a
decreasing accuracy and

01:17:25.780 --> 01:17:26.890
creeping velocities.

01:17:28.930 --> 01:17:32.894
And so the idea is that
you want to get rid of

01:17:32.894 --> 01:17:34.844
that carbon ring that
forms around there so

01:17:34.844 --> 01:17:37.575
that you're getting
consistent neck tensions.

01:17:38.115 --> 01:17:39.375
So how do you get
rid of the carbon?

01:17:39.375 --> 01:17:41.865
Well, I first realized
that this was an

01:17:41.865 --> 01:17:44.625
issue on my 6mil on
my competition gun.

01:17:44.655 --> 01:17:46.335
I shoot a six comp
match, which is

01:17:46.335 --> 01:17:48.045
basically a 243 AI.

01:17:48.045 --> 01:17:51.344
So lots of powder,
big velocities

01:17:51.344 --> 01:17:52.184
on small bullets.

01:17:53.594 --> 01:17:56.835
And after, I think it
was probably about four

01:17:56.835 --> 01:18:01.275
or 500 rounds, I started
getting the sort of weird

01:18:01.275 --> 01:18:03.825
creeping velocities and
the expanding groups from

01:18:03.825 --> 01:18:06.285
where it had been only a
few hundred rounds ago.

01:18:06.285 --> 01:18:07.905
So I'm like what
the heck's going on

01:18:07.905 --> 01:18:12.075
here and not being
very well-schooled

01:18:12.075 --> 01:18:14.025
in the 6mils at
that point in time.

01:18:14.025 --> 01:18:16.184
I didn't, you know, I'd
been shooting through

01:18:16.184 --> 01:18:17.795
308's basically, so
it's not really a

01:18:17.795 --> 01:18:18.825
thing in 308 right.

01:18:19.605 --> 01:18:22.125
And so I went and looked
and I'm like, Holy

01:18:22.125 --> 01:18:24.195
crap, I have this carbon
ring thing in here.

01:18:25.715 --> 01:18:28.110
So, how do I get
this out of here?

01:18:28.260 --> 01:18:29.840
So I thought, well,
I'll just clean it

01:18:29.840 --> 01:18:30.830
and it'll be fine.

01:18:30.860 --> 01:18:31.250
Sure.

01:18:31.760 --> 01:18:32.150
Wrong.

01:18:32.330 --> 01:18:32.540
Yeah.

01:18:32.570 --> 01:18:33.830
Even Wipe Out
doesn't take it out.

01:18:34.730 --> 01:18:37.280
So I was trying to figure
out how the heck to get

01:18:37.280 --> 01:18:39.350
this stupid carbon ring
out of there cause I

01:18:39.350 --> 01:18:41.600
suspected that it was
causing issues with the

01:18:41.600 --> 01:18:42.890
accuracy and velocity.

01:18:43.880 --> 01:18:48.610
So I tried every
cleaner known to man

01:18:48.929 --> 01:18:50.924
and even some cleaners
not known to man.

01:18:51.464 --> 01:18:53.325
I tried some
miscellaneous

01:18:53.325 --> 01:18:54.495
industrial products.

01:18:54.525 --> 01:18:54.775
Sure.

01:18:55.065 --> 01:18:55.464
Nope.

01:18:55.464 --> 01:18:57.644
Where did I go?

01:18:57.644 --> 01:19:01.505
I went on a, I think
it was a US high power

01:19:01.505 --> 01:19:05.955
board and these old
high power shooters

01:19:06.575 --> 01:19:10.435
had these recipes for,
I don't even remember,

01:19:10.465 --> 01:19:12.975
something, somebody
red juice or something.

01:19:12.975 --> 01:19:13.155
It was.

01:19:13.155 --> 01:19:13.405
Right.

01:19:13.405 --> 01:19:14.375
Called, I can't remember.

01:19:14.375 --> 01:19:15.135
I made that stuff

01:19:15.974 --> 01:19:16.205
!
Yeah.

01:19:16.205 --> 01:19:19.980
So, and it had like,
10 ingredients in

01:19:19.980 --> 01:19:22.139
it and they're all
highly toxic stuff.

01:19:22.139 --> 01:19:22.200
Yeah.

01:19:22.200 --> 01:19:22.509
Right.

01:19:22.509 --> 01:19:23.790
I still got a bucket
of that stuff.

01:19:23.820 --> 01:19:25.290
Yeah, this shit is
going to be awesome.

01:19:25.290 --> 01:19:27.150
It's gonna peal this
right out of here.

01:19:27.240 --> 01:19:27.630
Nope.

01:19:27.759 --> 01:19:28.800
Anggg, wrong.

01:19:29.000 --> 01:19:29.849
Didn't even touch it.

01:19:29.879 --> 01:19:32.400
So I'm like, Holy
crap, this is resilient

01:19:32.400 --> 01:19:33.570
burnt on carbon.

01:19:34.440 --> 01:19:36.299
Okay, so what I'm going
to do is I'm going to

01:19:36.299 --> 01:19:38.370
just take the reamer and
I'll run the reamer in

01:19:38.370 --> 01:19:39.509
and I'll just cut it out.

01:19:39.900 --> 01:19:40.169
Okay.

01:19:40.290 --> 01:19:40.589
Nope.

01:19:41.160 --> 01:19:42.330
Reamer, didn't
take it out either.

01:19:42.389 --> 01:19:42.960
Really?

01:19:42.960 --> 01:19:43.259
Yeah.

01:19:43.259 --> 01:19:46.320
So I was like, Holy
smokes, this is insane.

01:19:47.690 --> 01:19:50.440
So, I can't remember
how it came about, but

01:19:50.440 --> 01:19:54.599
a buddy of mine,a guy
shoot with, and he's

01:19:54.599 --> 01:19:57.540
like, maybe you should
just try some like floor

01:19:57.540 --> 01:19:58.349
cleaner or something.

01:19:58.349 --> 01:19:59.610
And I'm like
floor cleaner?

01:19:59.610 --> 01:20:00.809
And he's like, yeah,
why don't you try that

01:20:00.960 --> 01:20:04.889
CLR shit from Walmart,
it's the stuff that

01:20:04.889 --> 01:20:07.950
you can, that mold
mildew and rust stuff.

01:20:07.950 --> 01:20:09.870
And I'm like, I don't
know if that works

01:20:09.870 --> 01:20:11.940
on carbon, but you
know, it's like six

01:20:11.940 --> 01:20:12.750
bucks at Walmart.

01:20:12.750 --> 01:20:13.830
So I'll go over
there and try it.

01:20:14.760 --> 01:20:15.780
So sure enough.

01:20:16.710 --> 01:20:17.230
It worked.

01:20:17.230 --> 01:20:19.070
Like 10 minutes later,
I had no carbon ring.

01:20:19.070 --> 01:20:20.330
I'm like, you've
gotta be kidding.

01:20:21.560 --> 01:20:22.700
So yeah.

01:20:22.700 --> 01:20:25.280
So that's how we get the
carbon rings out now.

01:20:25.769 --> 01:20:26.200
CLR.

01:20:26.259 --> 01:20:26.780
CLR.

01:20:26.809 --> 01:20:27.700
Calcium, Lime, Rust.

01:20:27.700 --> 01:20:27.900
Yep.

01:20:28.030 --> 01:20:30.500
This stuff that comes in
the gray bottle with the

01:20:30.530 --> 01:20:32.210
orange and green label.

01:20:32.300 --> 01:20:32.600
Yeah.

01:20:33.210 --> 01:20:36.180
And so the method that
I use now is, I will

01:20:36.180 --> 01:20:37.769
soak an oversized brush.

01:20:37.800 --> 01:20:40.920
So if you're shooting a 6
mm, I'll use a six and a

01:20:40.920 --> 01:20:44.820
half or seven mil brush,
and I wrap a patch around

01:20:44.820 --> 01:20:47.190
it, dip it in the CLR and
just stuff it into the

01:20:47.190 --> 01:20:48.210
throat and let it sit.

01:20:48.510 --> 01:20:51.144
So let it sit for 10
to 20 minutes somewhere

01:20:51.144 --> 01:20:52.495
in there, you can
let it sit longer.

01:20:53.344 --> 01:20:56.634
And then once you have
that, then give the

01:20:56.755 --> 01:20:59.485
brush a few twists
and that will sort of

01:20:59.905 --> 01:21:02.724
dislodge the carbon ring
from the chamber wall

01:21:03.445 --> 01:21:04.195
and then pull it out.

01:21:04.224 --> 01:21:06.745
You'll see it on the
patch and then do it

01:21:06.745 --> 01:21:08.304
again until you get
nothing coming out.

01:21:08.365 --> 01:21:10.134
Or you can verify it
with a borescope or

01:21:10.134 --> 01:21:11.785
a camera or whatever,
if you have it.

01:21:12.635 --> 01:21:16.495
I will tell you that the
carbon ring does not look

01:21:16.495 --> 01:21:19.365
like much in there, but
it has lots of effect.

01:21:19.815 --> 01:21:22.924
So I've had guys that are
like, no, I've cleaned

01:21:22.924 --> 01:21:24.544
it, I've looked in there
where the borescope,

01:21:24.544 --> 01:21:25.474
there's no carbon ring.

01:21:26.500 --> 01:21:27.870
I'm like, okay
send it to me.

01:21:27.990 --> 01:21:31.589
And my buddy, Alex
is one of them.

01:21:31.820 --> 01:21:31.910
Yeah.

01:21:32.570 --> 01:21:36.320
Love you, buddy, you
proved me right he's

01:21:36.320 --> 01:21:37.460
like, yeah, it's clean.

01:21:37.460 --> 01:21:38.960
So I got in there and
I'm like, there's a

01:21:38.960 --> 01:21:39.769
carbon ring in here.

01:21:39.769 --> 01:21:41.269
And he's like, Oh,
there is, I cleaned

01:21:41.269 --> 01:21:41.809
it like crazy.

01:21:41.809 --> 01:21:42.800
I'm like, dude,
it doesn't come

01:21:42.800 --> 01:21:43.519
out with cleaning.

01:21:43.519 --> 01:21:47.785
So we stuck the CLR
in there and sure

01:21:47.785 --> 01:21:49.255
enough, big black
smudge came out.

01:21:49.425 --> 01:21:49.885
Beauty.

01:21:50.125 --> 01:21:51.385
Even though when you
look in there, it

01:21:51.385 --> 01:21:53.095
doesn't look like there's
much, but it doesn't

01:21:53.095 --> 01:21:55.715
take much to start
effecting your velocities

01:21:55.735 --> 01:21:56.394
and whatnot so.

01:21:56.594 --> 01:21:57.425
That's awesome to know.

01:21:57.554 --> 01:21:58.315
So anyway, yep.

01:21:58.345 --> 01:22:00.535
His went, his went
right back to normal

01:22:00.535 --> 01:22:02.155
once we got the carbon
ring out of there

01:22:02.155 --> 01:22:03.895
and he had a bit of a
copper issue as well.

01:22:04.015 --> 01:22:05.175
He was doing the
same thing as me, he

01:22:05.175 --> 01:22:06.975
wasn't cleaning for
long periods of time.

01:22:07.425 --> 01:22:09.315
How many rounds was
he firing in order to

01:22:09.345 --> 01:22:10.185
develop a carbon ring?

01:22:10.545 --> 01:22:12.705
I don't think it takes
much, like for me,

01:22:12.705 --> 01:22:14.745
I'll CLR every 200.

01:22:14.955 --> 01:22:15.315
Okay.

01:22:15.345 --> 01:22:15.585
Yep.

01:22:15.615 --> 01:22:16.905
Take that carbon
ring out of there.

01:22:16.934 --> 01:22:19.125
And that will probably
be less as you go up in

01:22:19.935 --> 01:22:22.545
bore diameter because
you're having less

01:22:22.545 --> 01:22:23.455
pressure in there.

01:22:23.455 --> 01:22:23.554
Right.

01:22:23.554 --> 01:22:25.755
So the more overboard
the cartridges, like

01:22:25.755 --> 01:22:30.224
at 22 Creedmoor or a 22
to 50, where you have a

01:22:30.224 --> 01:22:33.265
22 calibre bullet and a
huge ass 308 sized case.

01:22:33.265 --> 01:22:33.505
Right.

01:22:33.505 --> 01:22:34.905
That's probably going
to start a carbon

01:22:34.905 --> 01:22:35.565
ring pretty quick.

01:22:35.605 --> 01:22:35.855
Right.

01:22:36.675 --> 01:22:38.955
The one that we talked
a little bit about it

01:22:38.955 --> 01:22:42.015
before we started, was
the 6 dasher and there

01:22:42.015 --> 01:22:44.625
was sort of a thing,
where guys were having

01:22:44.625 --> 01:22:46.545
lots of issues with 6
dashers right around

01:22:46.545 --> 01:22:47.625
the 500 round mark.

01:22:48.555 --> 01:22:51.285
And I think probably a
lot of that was related

01:22:51.285 --> 01:22:53.715
to carbon rings back in
the day when the 6 dasher

01:22:53.715 --> 01:22:55.965
was new and people didn't
really understand what

01:22:55.965 --> 01:22:58.545
was going on with that
casing and that carbon

01:22:58.545 --> 01:22:59.085
rings were a thing.

01:22:59.375 --> 01:23:00.095
That makes sense.

01:23:00.155 --> 01:23:00.395
Yeah.

01:23:00.905 --> 01:23:01.255
All right.

01:23:01.255 --> 01:23:03.755
So, we'd done
on carbon ring?

01:23:03.875 --> 01:23:04.905
I think so.

01:23:05.015 --> 01:23:05.345
Okay.

01:23:05.665 --> 01:23:10.455
We've got, does an 11
degree target crown make

01:23:10.455 --> 01:23:13.275
a difference over, let's
say a 90 degree or other?

01:23:13.815 --> 01:23:15.675
I think if you think
it does, it does.

01:23:15.765 --> 01:23:16.035
Yeah.

01:23:16.035 --> 01:23:17.865
That's, that's
what I found.

01:23:17.925 --> 01:23:18.165
Yeah.

01:23:18.375 --> 01:23:19.545
You ever chopping
one down and.

01:23:19.545 --> 01:23:19.605
Oh yeah.

01:23:19.605 --> 01:23:22.015
Just see how it works.

01:23:22.015 --> 01:23:24.455
Done all kinds of funky
stuff to the crown.

01:23:24.455 --> 01:23:26.165
As long as the edges
are sharp, we've even

01:23:26.165 --> 01:23:27.005
cut them on angle.

01:23:27.065 --> 01:23:27.305
Yeah.

01:23:27.455 --> 01:23:29.435
And as long as
it's sharp, it

01:23:29.435 --> 01:23:30.665
seems to be okay.

01:23:31.010 --> 01:23:31.429
You'll get.

01:23:31.429 --> 01:23:32.120
Accuracy wise.

01:23:32.150 --> 01:23:34.040
Precision and your
accuracy, your point

01:23:34.040 --> 01:23:34.910
of impact will change.

01:23:34.910 --> 01:23:35.120
Yeah.

01:23:35.330 --> 01:23:36.809
But yeah.

01:23:36.849 --> 01:23:39.430
Yeah, so the only thing
that I would suggest

01:23:39.460 --> 01:23:42.550
on a crown is to have
some sort of a recess

01:23:42.550 --> 01:23:45.429
crown just in the off
chance that you ding it

01:23:45.429 --> 01:23:48.309
somehow on something,
if it's recess crown,

01:23:48.309 --> 01:23:50.620
whether it's 11 degree
or whether it's just a

01:23:50.650 --> 01:23:51.929
like slightly set back.

01:23:53.419 --> 01:23:56.549
If something hits the
end of your muzzle, who

01:23:56.549 --> 01:23:58.740
knows you might ding
your crown, which is bad.

01:23:58.740 --> 01:24:01.290
And if it's reset,
you may not have that

01:24:01.290 --> 01:24:02.199
issue a little bit.

01:24:02.730 --> 01:24:03.049
Okay.

01:24:03.119 --> 01:24:03.740
As much.

01:24:04.250 --> 01:24:05.480
Barrel or stock.

01:24:05.480 --> 01:24:07.519
What makes the most
noticeable difference

01:24:07.519 --> 01:24:08.330
to accuracy?

01:24:08.570 --> 01:24:11.000
Well, again, I think
on a mechanical

01:24:11.000 --> 01:24:12.710
point, probably the
barrel, for sure.

01:24:13.540 --> 01:24:15.620
But it all comes back
to how you're thinking

01:24:15.620 --> 01:24:16.555
about, you're shooting.

01:24:16.555 --> 01:24:18.475
So if you're shooting a
stock, you might have the

01:24:18.475 --> 01:24:20.065
best barrel in the world,
but if you're shooting

01:24:20.065 --> 01:24:21.415
a stock that's not
comfortable, it doesn't

01:24:21.415 --> 01:24:24.445
fit you properly or you
just don't like it, or I

01:24:24.445 --> 01:24:26.125
have a problem with this
stock because of that.

01:24:26.125 --> 01:24:28.355
You're probably already
affecting the way your

01:24:28.355 --> 01:24:30.445
mental state, the way
you're going to shoot so.

01:24:30.665 --> 01:24:31.044
Good point.

01:24:32.134 --> 01:24:34.465
But mechanically, as
far as gaining the

01:24:34.465 --> 01:24:37.005
most out of accuracy,
I think honestly

01:24:37.325 --> 01:24:40.915
barrel ammunition and
glass are probably the

01:24:40.915 --> 01:24:44.035
three top ones that
will get you there as

01:24:44.035 --> 01:24:45.355
far as accuracy goes.

01:24:46.320 --> 01:24:48.230
Yeah, make sure you're
shooting good ammo.

01:24:48.230 --> 01:24:49.410
If you'r shootin'
freedom bucket and

01:24:49.410 --> 01:24:50.970
you're probably not.

01:24:51.760 --> 01:24:53.980
Bedding vs.

01:24:54.000 --> 01:24:54.780
Vblocks.

01:24:55.710 --> 01:24:57.540
That's not really a
barrel thing, but some

01:24:57.540 --> 01:25:00.330
people will bed their
entire barrel length.

01:25:00.330 --> 01:25:01.730
Yeah and I mean, I've
gone to the extent

01:25:01.730 --> 01:25:05.530
where I've bedded
aluminum chassies.

01:25:06.330 --> 01:25:06.480
Yeah?

01:25:06.480 --> 01:25:07.790
Just to see if it
made a difference.

01:25:07.940 --> 01:25:08.210
And?

01:25:08.360 --> 01:25:08.690
Didn't.

01:25:08.840 --> 01:25:09.080
Yeah.

01:25:09.140 --> 01:25:12.170
No, I saw no
difference in bedding

01:25:12.650 --> 01:25:13.640
an aluminum chassis.

01:25:13.760 --> 01:25:15.890
Now I have seen
differences in bedding

01:25:15.890 --> 01:25:19.370
other things like wood
stock's, some fiberglass

01:25:19.370 --> 01:25:21.410
stocks as well, a little
bit of betting helps.

01:25:22.395 --> 01:25:24.915
But as far as a Vblock
aluminum chassis

01:25:24.915 --> 01:25:26.865
kind of deal, I
don't think there's

01:25:26.865 --> 01:25:27.735
any need to bed it.

01:25:27.735 --> 01:25:29.655
But again, if it makes
you feel like you're

01:25:29.655 --> 01:25:32.144
going to be more accurate
than okay, go for it.

01:25:33.014 --> 01:25:36.675
So a free floated barrel
or pressure points?

01:25:36.675 --> 01:25:37.715
Ahh, yes, yes, yes.

01:25:37.894 --> 01:25:41.644
Well, I think for
the most part, my

01:25:41.644 --> 01:25:43.745
experience would be
that a free floated

01:25:43.745 --> 01:25:47.105
barrels are probably a
better option than some

01:25:47.105 --> 01:25:47.884
with pressure points.

01:25:48.875 --> 01:25:51.424
I mean, some of the
older rifles back in the

01:25:51.424 --> 01:25:53.585
day all had a pressure
point right at the very

01:25:53.585 --> 01:25:54.745
front of the fore end.

01:25:55.045 --> 01:25:55.295
Right.

01:25:55.495 --> 01:26:00.000
And that seemed to
work okay, but I dunno.

01:26:00.070 --> 01:26:02.700
I think if you look
at the people that are

01:26:02.700 --> 01:26:05.220
trying to exact the most
amount of accuracy out

01:26:05.220 --> 01:26:07.560
of their guns, there
aren't any guns that

01:26:07.560 --> 01:26:09.000
are like that they're
all free floated.

01:26:09.120 --> 01:26:09.540
Right.

01:26:09.600 --> 01:26:09.870
Yeah.

01:26:10.590 --> 01:26:13.710
I think there's something
to be said on heavy

01:26:13.710 --> 01:26:16.755
profile barrels to
have an inch, inch

01:26:16.755 --> 01:26:18.465
and a half, maybe
two inches of bedding

01:26:18.625 --> 01:26:19.915
in front of the lug.

01:26:20.215 --> 01:26:20.375
Right.

01:26:20.375 --> 01:26:22.655
And just touching the
barrel, but after that.

01:26:22.655 --> 01:26:23.625
Just in the chamber area?

01:26:23.625 --> 01:26:25.865
Yep, yeah, just give it
a little more support

01:26:25.865 --> 01:26:29.325
in front of the recoil
lug, especially when

01:26:29.325 --> 01:26:31.635
you're hanging like
MTUS or kind of the

01:26:31.635 --> 01:26:34.635
trend now is to these
125 straight barrels

01:26:34.635 --> 01:26:37.585
that are like 27 inches
long, 26 inches long.

01:26:37.585 --> 01:26:37.905
Right.

01:26:37.905 --> 01:26:40.594
That's like nine pound
barrel or more right.

01:26:40.594 --> 01:26:40.865
Yeah.

01:26:40.894 --> 01:26:41.434
It's crazy.

01:26:41.434 --> 01:26:46.525
So to hang all that off
your action, I think

01:26:47.205 --> 01:26:48.875
it's probably a good idea
to have a little bit of

01:26:48.875 --> 01:26:51.599
bedding in front of the
lug to help support that.

01:26:52.139 --> 01:26:52.530
Okay.

01:26:53.009 --> 01:26:54.030
How about
torque settings?

01:26:54.089 --> 01:26:55.980
Are they all that
they're cracked up to be?

01:26:56.509 --> 01:27:00.429
Well, that is a very
interesting thing.

01:27:00.429 --> 01:27:04.309
I think torque settings
or something else

01:27:04.309 --> 01:27:06.340
that you have to
experiment a bit with,

01:27:06.710 --> 01:27:08.870
especially with aluminum
chassies I've found.

01:27:08.960 --> 01:27:10.849
Well, you know,
honestly I've never

01:27:10.849 --> 01:27:14.240
really experimented
with them, with like

01:27:14.540 --> 01:27:16.190
stocks and stuff, but
I would imagine it

01:27:16.190 --> 01:27:21.705
probably has a similar
effect, but the torque

01:27:21.705 --> 01:27:24.405
settings can affect your
accuracy, absolutely.

01:27:24.735 --> 01:27:27.465
On a couple levels, I
think number one, make

01:27:27.465 --> 01:27:31.215
sure that the chassis
actually fits your

01:27:31.275 --> 01:27:34.275
action a hundred percent,
because if it doesn't

01:27:34.275 --> 01:27:35.865
and there's slight
differences in there

01:27:35.865 --> 01:27:37.555
even a little bit, you
can torque your action

01:27:38.155 --> 01:27:39.735
to the point where you
might not even be able

01:27:39.735 --> 01:27:41.955
to operate the bolt if
you're cranking down

01:27:41.955 --> 01:27:42.795
on it, like crazy.

01:27:42.885 --> 01:27:43.335
Right.

01:27:43.770 --> 01:27:44.790
I've seen that before.

01:27:45.330 --> 01:27:48.990
I think probably the
other thing is that,

01:27:50.400 --> 01:27:52.860
what I've noticed
is, okay, let me

01:27:52.860 --> 01:27:53.610
go back a bit here.

01:27:53.970 --> 01:27:56.550
So I started shooting
aluminum chassies with

01:27:56.550 --> 01:27:59.580
MDT and they got me into
a couple of chassies.

01:27:59.580 --> 01:28:01.200
And so I'm monkeyed
around a bit with

01:28:01.410 --> 01:28:02.550
different torque values.

01:28:03.300 --> 01:28:06.750
And I talked to a
couple of target shooter

01:28:06.750 --> 01:28:09.840
rifle guys, target
rifle shooter guys

01:28:09.840 --> 01:28:11.670
that shoot at a very
high level for Canada.

01:28:12.929 --> 01:28:14.309
And they said, Oh yeah,
you got to play with

01:28:14.309 --> 01:28:15.769
your torque settings
because those guys

01:28:15.780 --> 01:28:17.490
were really shooting
aluminum chassies way

01:28:17.490 --> 01:28:21.040
before anybody else
on the RPA's and the

01:28:21.410 --> 01:28:24.419
actions that you could
fit into get aluminum

01:28:24.419 --> 01:28:26.459
chassies made for back
in the day before MDT

01:28:26.459 --> 01:28:27.780
and some of the other
companies came around.

01:28:27.900 --> 01:28:28.169
Right.

01:28:28.740 --> 01:28:31.280
And they said, yeah,
you don't necessarily

01:28:31.280 --> 01:28:32.240
want to go super tight.

01:28:32.450 --> 01:28:34.100
You almost kind of
want to have it loose

01:28:34.100 --> 01:28:36.290
in there, not loose,
but just snugged in.

01:28:36.350 --> 01:28:36.680
Right.

01:28:37.130 --> 01:28:39.410
And that might help
you with any of

01:28:39.410 --> 01:28:41.240
the inaccuracies
in the chassis.

01:28:41.240 --> 01:28:43.820
So I thought, Hmm, well,
MDT is pretty good.

01:28:45.110 --> 01:28:48.720
I will play around with
it a bit and, in their

01:28:48.740 --> 01:28:50.660
chassies I didn't really
see much of a difference

01:28:50.660 --> 01:28:57.170
between like 60, 65
pounds down to around 35.

01:28:57.540 --> 01:28:57.800
Wow.

01:28:58.700 --> 01:28:58.950
Yeah.

01:28:58.975 --> 01:28:59.764
That's a big difference.

01:28:59.925 --> 01:29:00.144
Yeah.

01:29:01.014 --> 01:29:03.655
But I have seen another
chassies differences

01:29:03.685 --> 01:29:07.255
where looser, down to
the 35 pounds sort of

01:29:07.315 --> 01:29:09.805
zone actually made the
rifle group better.

01:29:10.505 --> 01:29:11.125
Interesting.

01:29:11.185 --> 01:29:11.455
Yeah.

01:29:11.515 --> 01:29:13.465
And so I just run all
my chassies around

01:29:13.465 --> 01:29:15.885
35 now anyway, be it
MDT or anybody else.

01:29:16.575 --> 01:29:16.715
Okay.

01:29:16.715 --> 01:29:20.640
And my stocks, snd
stocks that that would

01:29:20.640 --> 01:29:22.290
be a different thing
because you're looking

01:29:22.290 --> 01:29:23.760
at a different type
of bedding in there.

01:29:24.390 --> 01:29:25.920
So that would be
something to experiment

01:29:25.920 --> 01:29:27.900
with a bit, plus usually
on a stock, you're trying

01:29:27.900 --> 01:29:30.030
to hold your bottom
metal in with the action

01:29:30.030 --> 01:29:31.040
screws and whatnot.

01:29:31.300 --> 01:29:32.670
What about torque
settings on your scope?

01:29:32.970 --> 01:29:33.570
On the scope?

01:29:33.660 --> 01:29:34.590
On the rings, bases.

01:29:34.650 --> 01:29:37.380
I mean, there's guys that
go to the nth degree on

01:29:37.380 --> 01:29:38.640
all kinds of crazy stuff.

01:29:38.730 --> 01:29:40.740
Sure, if it makes
you feel better, if

01:29:40.740 --> 01:29:42.940
you want to lap your
scope rings, okay.

01:29:42.960 --> 01:29:43.820
Put rosin in there.

01:29:43.970 --> 01:29:44.920
I don't know.

01:29:45.870 --> 01:29:49.964
You know, I've seen
old off the rack

01:29:49.964 --> 01:29:53.264
Weaver rings and
bases just do awesome.

01:29:53.384 --> 01:29:53.594
Yeah.

01:29:54.105 --> 01:29:55.665
And I've always figured
the torque settings,

01:29:55.665 --> 01:29:59.235
at least in that
respect,  was more of

01:29:59.235 --> 01:30:01.394
a solution to a problem
that never existed.

01:30:01.394 --> 01:30:02.835
Yeah, that's kinda
how I feel too.

01:30:03.155 --> 01:30:05.504
Other than maybe to
prevent people from

01:30:05.544 --> 01:30:06.874
over-torquing it,
people who didn't have

01:30:06.874 --> 01:30:08.445
the feel, they didn't
know, is this too tight?

01:30:08.445 --> 01:30:09.184
Am I going to
crush things?

01:30:09.355 --> 01:30:10.365
How tight is
tight, right?

01:30:10.365 --> 01:30:10.605
Right.

01:30:11.135 --> 01:30:11.265
Yeah.

01:30:11.265 --> 01:30:14.435
I mean with mine, I just
use a Torx screw driver.

01:30:14.435 --> 01:30:16.125
I don't have any torque
settings on mine, I

01:30:16.125 --> 01:30:18.425
just snug 'em down until
they're nice and snug and

01:30:18.425 --> 01:30:19.535
I don't overcrank them.

01:30:19.685 --> 01:30:20.015
Right.

01:30:20.045 --> 01:30:22.085
Don't put Loctite
on your scope rings.

01:30:22.145 --> 01:30:24.245
That's the next question
that we had here.

01:30:24.245 --> 01:30:24.905
Is there a question?

01:30:24.955 --> 01:30:25.215
Yeah.

01:30:25.275 --> 01:30:26.705
Is Loctite overused?

01:30:26.705 --> 01:30:27.764
Hey, look at that!

01:30:28.214 --> 01:30:28.965
That's hilarious.

01:30:29.610 --> 01:30:32.040
I think in certain ways,
Loctite is overused yeah.

01:30:32.040 --> 01:30:33.210
Scope rings for sure.

01:30:33.270 --> 01:30:35.550
Don't Loctite, your
base to your action.

01:30:36.030 --> 01:30:38.100
If you have a 20 MOA
rail, please don't

01:30:38.310 --> 01:30:40.320
because if I'm trying
to spin a new barrel on

01:30:40.320 --> 01:30:44.300
there and I can't get
your scope base off, I'm

01:30:45.080 --> 01:30:46.890
not really too sure what
I'm going to do at that

01:30:46.890 --> 01:30:48.870
point or what you're
going to do, because

01:30:48.870 --> 01:30:51.090
I'm going to send it
back to you probably.

01:30:51.090 --> 01:30:52.950
But yeah, don't
Loctite it on there.

01:30:54.090 --> 01:30:56.760
Don't Loctite your
scope rings down.

01:30:57.165 --> 01:30:59.355
Yeah, I think Loctite is
a little bit overused.

01:30:59.925 --> 01:31:02.715
It's again, something
that I've often, if

01:31:02.715 --> 01:31:04.635
it's properly tightened
up, how often do you.

01:31:04.955 --> 01:31:07.145
I'll tell you one place
I do use Loctite and it's

01:31:07.145 --> 01:31:07.985
a little bit of a secret.

01:31:08.465 --> 01:31:08.825
Okay.

01:31:08.915 --> 01:31:09.665
I'll tell you a secret.

01:31:09.835 --> 01:31:10.645
Just you and me
though, right?

01:31:10.645 --> 01:31:11.125
Just you and me.

01:31:11.155 --> 01:31:11.435
Okay.

01:31:12.155 --> 01:31:14.885
So you know that I
shoot ARS or I used

01:31:14.885 --> 01:31:16.865
to shoot AR's at a
fairly high level.

01:31:16.925 --> 01:31:17.495
I've heard this.

01:31:17.495 --> 01:31:17.855
Yes.

01:31:17.915 --> 01:31:18.635
Fairly high level.

01:31:18.635 --> 01:31:22.265
So one of the places
I use Loctite is when

01:31:22.265 --> 01:31:26.565
I am putting an AR15
barrel into the action.

01:31:26.924 --> 01:31:30.585
So I will put Loctite
around the extension

01:31:31.485 --> 01:31:34.844
and slide it in there
and then tighten

01:31:34.844 --> 01:31:35.625
the barrel nut down.

01:31:36.105 --> 01:31:36.825
Interesting.

01:31:36.855 --> 01:31:37.065
Yeah.

01:31:37.304 --> 01:31:39.344
A lot of guys think
that you have to put

01:31:39.344 --> 01:31:40.394
lubricant in there.

01:31:41.220 --> 01:31:41.610
Wrong.

01:31:42.030 --> 01:31:43.470
Do not put
lubricant in there.

01:31:43.710 --> 01:31:45.150
If anything, you
want to take up any

01:31:45.150 --> 01:31:48.180
of that extra little
slop and the Loctite

01:31:48.180 --> 01:31:48.900
seems to work good.

01:31:49.290 --> 01:31:51.420
Now I don't use red
Loctite and I don't use

01:31:51.960 --> 01:31:53.870
a blue Loctite, I use.

01:31:54.200 --> 01:31:55.110
The green stuff.

01:31:55.110 --> 01:31:55.640
I use the green stuff.

01:31:55.640 --> 01:31:55.730
Okay.

01:31:55.730 --> 01:31:57.660
Yeah, which you can
break free pretty easily.

01:31:57.660 --> 01:31:57.840
Yeah.

01:31:58.080 --> 01:32:01.370
But it takes enough
of the slop up because

01:32:01.780 --> 01:32:03.940
aluminum receivers are
not necessarily milled.

01:32:04.020 --> 01:32:05.370
They're milled
to mill spec.

01:32:05.550 --> 01:32:05.760
Right.

01:32:06.120 --> 01:32:08.040
Which isn't really all
that great for accuracy.

01:32:08.040 --> 01:32:10.394
So there you go, I
just gave you AR 15

01:32:10.394 --> 01:32:11.865
championship winning
tip right there.

01:32:11.865 --> 01:32:14.264
Beauty, now that's worth
listening to, what are

01:32:14.264 --> 01:32:15.684
we at, an hour and a
half into this podcast?

01:32:15.684 --> 01:32:16.025
Are we already?

01:32:16.114 --> 01:32:16.424
We are.

01:32:16.424 --> 01:32:16.634
Oh my God.

01:32:17.054 --> 01:32:18.855
I've only got a couple
more here for those who

01:32:18.855 --> 01:32:19.945
stuck around this long.

01:32:19.985 --> 01:32:20.125
Yeah.

01:32:20.125 --> 01:32:20.745
There ya go.

01:32:20.775 --> 01:32:20.834
Yeah.

01:32:20.834 --> 01:32:21.325
Thanks.

01:32:21.394 --> 01:32:22.264
I hope there's
something good you

01:32:22.275 --> 01:32:23.045
can take out of this.

01:32:23.464 --> 01:32:24.304
Barrel tuners.

01:32:24.365 --> 01:32:24.964
Barrel tuners.

01:32:24.995 --> 01:32:25.625
Do they work?

01:32:25.835 --> 01:32:26.525
I think they do.

01:32:27.164 --> 01:32:27.565
Okay.

01:32:27.565 --> 01:32:30.825
Maybe we'll let the
people know what

01:32:30.825 --> 01:32:31.665
a barrel tuner is.

01:32:32.295 --> 01:32:32.535
Yeah.

01:32:32.535 --> 01:32:34.425
So barrel tuner is this
thing that you either

01:32:34.425 --> 01:32:36.555
screw onto the end of
the barrel or clamp onto

01:32:36.555 --> 01:32:39.105
the barrel, and it can
change basically the

01:32:39.735 --> 01:32:40.855
harmonics of the barrel.

01:32:41.555 --> 01:32:43.184
Generally they're a two
piece thing that you can

01:32:43.184 --> 01:32:44.445
screw in or screw out.

01:32:45.375 --> 01:32:48.255
And it just moves, I
think the way it works

01:32:48.255 --> 01:32:50.595
mainly is it moves
your leverage point a

01:32:50.595 --> 01:32:52.515
little further out or
a little further back.

01:32:53.045 --> 01:32:55.275
It may also dampen any
kind of vibration a

01:32:55.275 --> 01:32:58.470
little bit, but you can
basically sort of change

01:32:58.470 --> 01:32:59.370
that note a little bit.

01:32:59.880 --> 01:33:02.160
So where we're sort of
seeing these really take

01:33:02.160 --> 01:33:05.680
off right now is in the
22 PRS sort of end of it.

01:33:05.880 --> 01:33:06.340
Right.

01:33:06.340 --> 01:33:10.080
So guys are doing a lot
of testing with the tuner

01:33:10.080 --> 01:33:12.780
because 22 ammunition
at this point in time

01:33:12.780 --> 01:33:13.740
cannot be reloaded.

01:33:13.740 --> 01:33:16.290
So you have to go off the
factory ammo and you have

01:33:16.290 --> 01:33:19.730
to find ammo that shoots
reasonably well for your

01:33:19.730 --> 01:33:21.910
barrel, for your gun.

01:33:22.110 --> 01:33:24.809
And so putting a tuner
on there can actually

01:33:24.809 --> 01:33:27.510
help quite a bit really
fine tune that sort of,

01:33:27.610 --> 01:33:30.450
know that you might've
been almost on with

01:33:30.450 --> 01:33:32.519
the ammunition itself,
but not quite there.

01:33:32.550 --> 01:33:33.960
It could shoot a little
bit better if it was

01:33:33.960 --> 01:33:36.870
just a slightly different
frequency at the end of

01:33:36.870 --> 01:33:38.429
the different harmonic
at the end of the barrel.

01:33:39.200 --> 01:33:40.290
Just change
that sweet spot.

01:33:40.290 --> 01:33:41.839
Yep, and basically
that's what it does.

01:33:41.839 --> 01:33:45.259
And so the guys are able
to fine tune the groups

01:33:45.290 --> 01:33:47.959
and, you know, there's
lots of anecdotal target

01:33:47.959 --> 01:33:49.610
evidence on the net.

01:33:49.610 --> 01:33:51.889
We get guys that are
testing barrels for

01:33:51.889 --> 01:33:54.620
us that are shooting
the tuna can, I think

01:33:54.620 --> 01:33:57.110
is a red knob one
that's out right now.

01:33:57.650 --> 01:34:01.099
And yeah, it can be, it
can help quite a bit,

01:34:01.570 --> 01:34:02.429
change your group size.

01:34:02.490 --> 01:34:04.230
Now on a centrefire
gun, is it a thing?

01:34:04.260 --> 01:34:04.670
I don't know.

01:34:04.670 --> 01:34:07.000
You can tune your ammo
on a centrefire gun.

01:34:07.019 --> 01:34:08.610
So whether you actually
need that or not is

01:34:08.610 --> 01:34:09.259
another question.

01:34:09.490 --> 01:34:09.789
Right.

01:34:11.559 --> 01:34:13.740
It might work maybe
for bench rest you'd

01:34:13.740 --> 01:34:14.700
see the guys doing it.

01:34:14.910 --> 01:34:16.769
For PRS, where you're
trying to whack a four

01:34:16.769 --> 01:34:17.839
MOA piece of steel.

01:34:17.910 --> 01:34:18.210
Right.

01:34:18.210 --> 01:34:20.090
I mean, you know, what's
the point really I guess.

01:34:21.390 --> 01:34:23.030
If you want to
run it sure.

01:34:23.750 --> 01:34:24.290
Do you need it?

01:34:24.290 --> 01:34:24.830
Maybe not.

01:34:25.485 --> 01:34:27.345
There might be one
coming from IBI and

01:34:27.525 --> 01:34:28.605
in the near future.

01:34:28.785 --> 01:34:29.415
I like that.

01:34:29.475 --> 01:34:30.215
Might, maybe.

01:34:30.235 --> 01:34:30.945
Perhaps, maybe.

01:34:30.945 --> 01:34:31.395
Shortly.

01:34:31.875 --> 01:34:32.415
Test it out.

01:34:32.415 --> 01:34:33.015
See how it goes.

01:34:33.045 --> 01:34:33.195
Yeah.

01:34:33.195 --> 01:34:34.755
You never know
anything could happen.

01:34:37.094 --> 01:34:40.785
Will the optimal load
for a barrel change over

01:34:40.785 --> 01:34:42.844
the barrels lifespan?

01:34:43.634 --> 01:34:45.875
I don't think the optimal
load would probably

01:34:45.875 --> 01:34:49.355
change over lifespan,
providing you're

01:34:49.355 --> 01:34:50.925
not really changing
anything in the barrel.

01:34:51.515 --> 01:34:52.955
What will change
is probably the

01:34:52.955 --> 01:34:53.794
throat erosion.

01:34:54.304 --> 01:34:58.294
So you may or may not
have to monkey around

01:34:58.294 --> 01:35:02.105
with the load a little
bit to, not the load,

01:35:02.105 --> 01:35:06.045
but the seeding depth
to get it, to do what

01:35:06.045 --> 01:35:07.095
it was doing previously.

01:35:07.575 --> 01:35:10.035
Like if you have a barrel
that shoots and it needs

01:35:10.035 --> 01:35:11.475
to be 23 off to lands.

01:35:12.150 --> 01:35:12.570
Sure.

01:35:12.610 --> 01:35:14.970
If you shoot a thousand
rounds through it and

01:35:14.970 --> 01:35:16.740
your throat erroads
20 thou, you may have

01:35:16.740 --> 01:35:19.020
to push that bullet
out a bit more to get

01:35:19.020 --> 01:35:19.920
those same results.

01:35:20.400 --> 01:35:21.849
But you might not, I
mean, there's guys like

01:35:22.690 --> 01:35:24.600
Eric Kortina down the
States and he doesn't

01:35:24.600 --> 01:35:25.450
chase the lands at all.

01:35:25.450 --> 01:35:26.070
He doesn't care.

01:35:26.610 --> 01:35:26.970
Okay.

01:35:27.060 --> 01:35:28.350
I'm not quite
there yet, I'm not.

01:35:28.770 --> 01:35:31.450
And I have to do a bit
more experimenting, but

01:35:31.900 --> 01:35:33.080
yeah, it's possible.

01:35:33.685 --> 01:35:35.605
So, I dunno if you're
looking at my sheet here,

01:35:35.605 --> 01:35:36.955
but you're talking about
things that are just

01:35:36.955 --> 01:35:37.945
leading into the next.

01:35:38.035 --> 01:35:38.865
What else do I got here?

01:35:38.905 --> 01:35:40.245
Well throat erosion.

01:35:40.245 --> 01:35:41.785
What's throat erosion and
how can it be prevented?

01:35:42.205 --> 01:35:43.255
You can't prevent it.

01:35:43.525 --> 01:35:45.505
If you want to prevent
throat erosion, shoot

01:35:45.505 --> 01:35:46.585
a 22 long rifle.

01:35:46.795 --> 01:35:47.125
Yeah.

01:35:47.515 --> 01:35:49.995
All the low pressure
cartridges have a lot

01:35:49.995 --> 01:35:50.855
less throat erosion.

01:35:50.855 --> 01:35:51.885
What is it?

01:35:52.045 --> 01:35:55.665
Basically is, when
you ignite a case or

01:35:55.665 --> 01:35:58.965
you ignite around,
you instantly create

01:35:58.965 --> 01:36:01.935
hot fiery gas with the
gunpowder exploding

01:36:01.935 --> 01:36:04.995
inside the case and
that all gets forced

01:36:04.995 --> 01:36:08.985
out through the case
mouth and that's what

01:36:09.855 --> 01:36:10.845
pushes the projectile.

01:36:10.845 --> 01:36:12.825
All that expanding gas
pushes the projectile

01:36:12.825 --> 01:36:15.285
down, but also right
at the case mouth that

01:36:15.285 --> 01:36:18.455
also tends to cook
the steel pretty badly

01:36:18.455 --> 01:36:19.915
right at the throat.

01:36:20.655 --> 01:36:23.345
So we see throat
erosion on high

01:36:23.345 --> 01:36:24.275
pressure cartridges.

01:36:24.275 --> 01:36:27.305
So like I mentioned
previously, anything

01:36:27.305 --> 01:36:29.555
that's overbore that has
a big case size, but a

01:36:29.555 --> 01:36:32.075
small bullet diameter
tends to get throat

01:36:32.075 --> 01:36:33.735
erosion super quickly.

01:36:34.365 --> 01:36:37.115
That's one of the reasons
why he can shoot a 308

01:36:37.135 --> 01:36:41.035
for, you know, 6,000
rounds and not really

01:36:41.035 --> 01:36:43.405
see much in the way of
throat erosion, or you

01:36:43.405 --> 01:36:47.025
can shoot you know, 6
creedmoor and have throat

01:36:47.025 --> 01:36:50.835
erosion of like 10 thou
in like 500 rounds.

01:36:50.955 --> 01:36:51.375
Right.

01:36:51.705 --> 01:36:54.255
So the more of that hot
gas, you're trying to

01:36:54.255 --> 01:36:56.655
force through a very
small opening of the

01:36:56.655 --> 01:36:58.485
case mouth, the more
throat erosion you're

01:36:58.485 --> 01:36:59.205
probably gonna get.

01:36:59.385 --> 01:37:02.385
So if you're shooting
a big straight wall

01:37:02.415 --> 01:37:04.960
cartridges, like 30
Whelan or something like

01:37:04.960 --> 01:37:07.750
that, where you have a
big bullet and a big case

01:37:07.750 --> 01:37:09.730
mouth it's not really
too much different than

01:37:09.730 --> 01:37:11.950
the size of the case,
then you're probably

01:37:11.950 --> 01:37:13.630
going to have a lot less
throat erosion than you

01:37:13.630 --> 01:37:15.700
would if you have a big
case in a small bullet.

01:37:17.490 --> 01:37:18.870
And we're getting
into our final

01:37:18.870 --> 01:37:20.580
stretch here, one of
them you've already

01:37:20.580 --> 01:37:21.480
basically answered.

01:37:21.480 --> 01:37:23.820
Will moly coated bullets
increase the barrel life?

01:37:23.880 --> 01:37:24.150
Yeah.

01:37:24.809 --> 01:37:25.740
And the answer is.

01:37:27.120 --> 01:37:27.540
Maybe.

01:37:27.840 --> 01:37:28.170
Maybe.

01:37:28.340 --> 01:37:28.800
I don't know.

01:37:29.010 --> 01:37:29.430
Who knows.

01:37:29.980 --> 01:37:31.620
There's other issues
that come along

01:37:31.620 --> 01:37:32.480
with moly coating.

01:37:32.820 --> 01:37:34.410
Especially out here
in the West coast,

01:37:34.980 --> 01:37:37.830
moly coating is a
super hydrophilic, so

01:37:37.830 --> 01:37:39.810
it attracts water so.

01:37:39.870 --> 01:37:40.260
Right.

01:37:40.780 --> 01:37:43.080
If you have a moly coated
barrel, have to make sure

01:37:43.080 --> 01:37:46.880
it's really dry when you
store it, because  if

01:37:47.290 --> 01:37:49.000
it's a chromoly steel
barrel, you may come back

01:37:49.000 --> 01:37:49.890
and it'll be full rust.

01:37:50.220 --> 01:37:50.520
Right.

01:37:50.550 --> 01:37:51.800
So you gotta be
pretty careful there.

01:37:51.940 --> 01:37:55.844
And again, you have to
increase your powder

01:37:55.844 --> 01:37:58.575
charge with coated
bullets, be it moly, or

01:37:59.745 --> 01:38:03.644
hexagonal boron because
they're so slippery

01:38:03.644 --> 01:38:05.745
that you require more
powder to actually push

01:38:05.745 --> 01:38:06.915
it at the same velocity.

01:38:07.394 --> 01:38:09.365
So we go back to the
throat erosion question

01:38:09.365 --> 01:38:11.655
again and you know,
when you're increasing

01:38:11.655 --> 01:38:13.125
your powder charge is
probably a pretty good

01:38:13.125 --> 01:38:15.495
chance that you're
gonna cook your throat

01:38:15.495 --> 01:38:18.855
a little bit more as the
powder charge increases.

01:38:19.215 --> 01:38:19.455
Yeah.

01:38:19.545 --> 01:38:22.514
Talk about rusty barrels
reminds me of a going

01:38:22.514 --> 01:38:23.555
back on the Wipe Out.

01:38:23.804 --> 01:38:23.995
Yep.

01:38:24.445 --> 01:38:27.014
And another fellow
we'll just call him

01:38:27.014 --> 01:38:28.875
Bill S, we'll just
leave it at that.

01:38:29.415 --> 01:38:29.894
Interesting.

01:38:30.195 --> 01:38:34.275
And he's always trying to
save a buck and he says,

01:38:34.304 --> 01:38:36.165
Oh, this got ammonia
in it, I can smell it.

01:38:36.405 --> 01:38:37.665
And it's like yeah, I
think that's the active

01:38:37.665 --> 01:38:40.805
ingredient in it, it's
kind of attacking the

01:38:41.009 --> 01:38:42.030
copper here, the fouling.

01:38:42.030 --> 01:38:44.340
And so he thought,
I know what I'll do,

01:38:44.580 --> 01:38:46.710
rather than buying this
expensive Wipe Out,

01:38:47.130 --> 01:38:48.929
I'll just get a big
jug of ammonia already,

01:38:48.929 --> 01:38:50.620
and I'll just run some
of this down my bore.

01:38:50.730 --> 01:38:51.999
Oh boy, good idea.

01:38:52.049 --> 01:38:54.630
Man, if you looked
down this guy's

01:38:54.630 --> 01:38:56.380
barrel afterwards.

01:38:56.380 --> 01:38:59.250
He brought it in, he
says, you told me this

01:38:59.250 --> 01:39:00.120
should be fine, Travis!

01:39:00.120 --> 01:39:01.040
I said, I never
said that.

01:39:01.040 --> 01:39:01.790
Whoa, hang on a second.

01:39:01.790 --> 01:39:03.120
I said it smelled
like ammonia and

01:39:03.120 --> 01:39:03.870
I agree with you.

01:39:04.650 --> 01:39:05.790
It looked like
you're looking

01:39:05.790 --> 01:39:06.900
down a sewer pipe.

01:39:06.930 --> 01:39:07.860
It was so rusty.

01:39:07.860 --> 01:39:07.920
Yeah.

01:39:08.030 --> 01:39:09.510
Was probably a
chromoly steel barrel

01:39:09.510 --> 01:39:10.320
and it all corroded.

01:39:10.580 --> 01:39:12.410
That's one thing about
CLR that you have to be

01:39:12.410 --> 01:39:13.370
careful with as well.

01:39:13.580 --> 01:39:15.890
I didn't mention in the
carbon ring question

01:39:15.890 --> 01:39:20.519
there is that it needs
more experimentation

01:39:20.519 --> 01:39:21.660
with chromoly barrels.

01:39:23.530 --> 01:39:25.394
It's fine in stainless
steel, but I have

01:39:25.394 --> 01:39:27.735
seen some corrosion
if you don't wipe it

01:39:27.735 --> 01:39:30.385
all out of there in a
chromoly steel barrels.

01:39:30.435 --> 01:39:33.225
I have seen guys
that want to clean

01:39:33.225 --> 01:39:35.425
their muzzle breaks
in it, and the muzzle

01:39:35.425 --> 01:39:38.445
breaks are chromoly
and they're coded in

01:39:38.445 --> 01:39:40.385
cerakote or something
along those lines.

01:39:40.985 --> 01:39:43.095
And they put it in
there and it's black

01:39:43.095 --> 01:39:44.445
and they pull it
out and it's gray.

01:39:44.810 --> 01:39:45.130
Right.

01:39:45.140 --> 01:39:47.610
So you gotta be careful
because I think the CLR

01:39:48.030 --> 01:39:51.380
has some issues with
the chromoly steel.

01:39:51.380 --> 01:39:53.930
So I would just be
careful as far as that

01:39:53.930 --> 01:39:56.600
goes a corrosion and
I wouldn't put 'em

01:39:56.660 --> 01:39:58.170
straight ammonia down
your barrel either.

01:39:58.660 --> 01:40:00.190
Well, it didn't work out
too well for this guy.

01:40:00.220 --> 01:40:01.390
No, no, definitely not.

01:40:01.960 --> 01:40:03.220
And here's the
last question.

01:40:03.430 --> 01:40:03.670
Yep.

01:40:03.790 --> 01:40:06.070
And we can always fill
in more afterwards

01:40:06.070 --> 01:40:07.630
if you think that
anything's been missed,

01:40:07.630 --> 01:40:08.900
but man, we've got a
lot of things here.

01:40:08.900 --> 01:40:09.580
Yeah, that was a lot.

01:40:09.580 --> 01:40:09.760
Yeah.

01:40:10.870 --> 01:40:12.580
What gives a
premium barrel, a

01:40:12.580 --> 01:40:13.600
better lifespan?

01:40:15.105 --> 01:40:16.155
I don't know if it does.

01:40:16.344 --> 01:40:16.674
Right.

01:40:16.674 --> 01:40:22.580
I think the lifespan
of the barrel really

01:40:22.580 --> 01:40:24.889
depends on how hard
that you're, how hard

01:40:24.889 --> 01:40:25.429
you're pushing it.

01:40:25.460 --> 01:40:28.129
So if you're shooting
just a soft factory

01:40:28.129 --> 01:40:30.290
loads through it,
well it depends on

01:40:30.290 --> 01:40:30.950
a few things, right?

01:40:30.980 --> 01:40:33.139
Like soft factory loads
will probably give you

01:40:33.139 --> 01:40:36.170
more barrel life than
you running a really

01:40:36.170 --> 01:40:38.780
hot hand loads out
of the same barrel.

01:40:39.040 --> 01:40:40.429
You'll get more
barrel life out of the

01:40:40.429 --> 01:40:41.629
factory loads for sure.

01:40:42.740 --> 01:40:45.320
And also the
calibre as well.

01:40:46.570 --> 01:40:48.780
If you're shooting a
308, you're going to

01:40:48.780 --> 01:40:50.610
probably going to get
5,000 rounds out of it,

01:40:50.610 --> 01:40:51.570
of accurate barrel life.

01:40:51.599 --> 01:40:52.929
But if you're shooting
a 6 creedmoor,

01:40:52.950 --> 01:40:54.610
you're probably
going to get 2000.

01:40:54.799 --> 01:40:55.130
Right.

01:40:55.130 --> 01:40:56.400
2200 or whatever, right.

01:40:58.019 --> 01:41:01.080
Now, I guess steel
has a lot to do

01:41:01.080 --> 01:41:01.710
with that as well.

01:41:01.860 --> 01:41:05.160
It all depends on the,
partly on the hardness

01:41:05.160 --> 01:41:06.180
of your steel as well.

01:41:06.390 --> 01:41:06.780
Right.

01:41:07.530 --> 01:41:09.840
So the harder the steel,
the more barrel life

01:41:09.840 --> 01:41:11.790
you're probably going
to get out of it as far

01:41:11.790 --> 01:41:13.800
as like stainless goes,
I think Bartlein line

01:41:13.800 --> 01:41:15.510
just came out with some
different type of steel

01:41:15.830 --> 01:41:18.335
that said increases
their barrel life a bit.

01:41:18.335 --> 01:41:20.044
I think it's only a
few Brownell hardness

01:41:20.044 --> 01:41:22.794
points harder than
their previous steel.

01:41:22.985 --> 01:41:23.375
Okay.

01:41:23.794 --> 01:41:25.264
So whether that's
actually a change in

01:41:25.264 --> 01:41:27.004
the steel or whether
it's a change in

01:41:27.004 --> 01:41:30.004
their stress-relieving
processes, I don't know.

01:41:30.004 --> 01:41:34.085
Because stress-relieving,
it can, it can change

01:41:34.085 --> 01:41:35.254
your hardness as well.

01:41:36.195 --> 01:41:37.115
What about cryo-treating?

01:41:37.245 --> 01:41:39.005
I know we were on
our last question.

01:41:39.005 --> 01:41:40.355
Yeah, no it's all good.

01:41:40.445 --> 01:41:42.115
I'm not really too
familiar with the

01:41:42.115 --> 01:41:43.474
cryo-treating to be
honest with you, I've

01:41:43.474 --> 01:41:45.304
heard good things and
I've heard bad things.

01:41:45.304 --> 01:41:49.264
Some guys think that
cryo-treating will

01:41:49.264 --> 01:41:51.460
do the same thing as
that's stress-relieving

01:41:51.480 --> 01:41:53.960
and I have no
practical experiences

01:41:53.970 --> 01:41:54.720
to whether it does.

01:41:54.870 --> 01:41:55.380
Fair enough.

01:41:55.890 --> 01:41:57.330
Yeah, unfortunately.

01:41:57.330 --> 01:42:00.030
So well, I mean, premium
barrel life, it's

01:42:00.030 --> 01:42:01.440
probably going to help
in a couple of ways.

01:42:01.440 --> 01:42:04.170
If you've got a premium
barrel more than likely,

01:42:04.170 --> 01:42:06.180
you're also getting it
cut by somebody with

01:42:06.240 --> 01:42:08.730
decent reamers and
you're having somebody

01:42:08.730 --> 01:42:10.860
do it that cares
about what's going on.

01:42:11.780 --> 01:42:13.920
Not necessarily a
factory barrel, that's

01:42:13.920 --> 01:42:15.720
pumped out by the
thousands and they just.

01:42:16.065 --> 01:42:17.155
Care about
getting it done.

01:42:17.834 --> 01:42:19.424
It might not even be
a sharp reamer right.

01:42:19.625 --> 01:42:20.155
Right.

01:42:20.264 --> 01:42:22.094
So I think all of those
factors sort of rolled

01:42:22.094 --> 01:42:24.195
into one, providing
you're not running it

01:42:24.195 --> 01:42:26.894
super hot, is going
to give you a better

01:42:26.894 --> 01:42:31.035
accuracy for sure and
yeah, probably a little

01:42:31.035 --> 01:42:31.934
bit better barrel life.

01:42:32.174 --> 01:42:33.134
It's hard to say.

01:42:33.934 --> 01:42:36.155
Well, after all of these
questions that we've had

01:42:36.155 --> 01:42:40.264
from Instagram, Facebook,
Reddit, and emailed and

01:42:41.045 --> 01:42:43.445
all different places
they got coming in here.

01:42:44.355 --> 01:42:46.215
Is there anything
that you think we

01:42:46.215 --> 01:42:48.115
should be talking
about that was missed?

01:42:48.255 --> 01:42:51.465
I don't know
anything I missed.

01:42:51.465 --> 01:42:52.485
That was, that
was pretty.

01:42:52.935 --> 01:42:53.685
That was exhaustive.

01:42:53.685 --> 01:42:54.615
That was pretty hardcore.

01:42:55.245 --> 01:42:55.935
You did good.

01:42:55.995 --> 01:42:56.325
Did I?

01:42:56.415 --> 01:42:56.985
Yeah, ya did.

01:42:56.985 --> 01:42:58.215
I probably screwed
a few of them up.

01:42:58.305 --> 01:42:59.055
Probably, but.

01:42:59.115 --> 01:43:00.675
Oh well, mental
management.

01:43:01.595 --> 01:43:05.415
Ryan, thank you very
much for being on The

01:43:05.415 --> 01:43:06.115
Silvercore Podcast.

01:43:06.115 --> 01:43:06.575
Yeah, anytime.

01:43:06.575 --> 01:43:06.935
Thanks.

01:43:07.645 --> 01:43:09.975
If there's anything in
here that listeners are

01:43:09.975 --> 01:43:11.835
listening to and they
have different thoughts

01:43:11.835 --> 01:43:14.295
on, Hey, we want to
hear 'em, put them up.

01:43:14.595 --> 01:43:18.105
If they think that
maybe we're off base,

01:43:18.695 --> 01:43:22.055
let us know why and
check out IBI barrels.

01:43:22.115 --> 01:43:24.025
I mean, give them an
email, give them a

01:43:24.025 --> 01:43:26.795
phone call, go on their
Instagram, Facebook.

01:43:26.905 --> 01:43:27.115
Yep.

01:43:27.245 --> 01:43:29.275
There's people all the
time posting pictures,

01:43:29.275 --> 01:43:31.025
asking questions, getting
the answers there.

01:43:31.235 --> 01:43:33.495
Yeah, lots of
pictures on Instagram.

01:43:33.525 --> 01:43:35.745
And if you're on Facebook
and you want to check

01:43:35.745 --> 01:43:38.594
out what the barrels
are capable of, probably

01:43:38.594 --> 01:43:40.394
the best place to go
is the International

01:43:40.394 --> 01:43:41.474
Barrels user page.

01:43:41.625 --> 01:43:45.995
And that's pretty much,
I run it, but it's all

01:43:46.125 --> 01:43:48.910
mainly the vast majority
of the posts are people

01:43:48.910 --> 01:43:51.600
that are shooting the
barrels already, it's

01:43:51.600 --> 01:43:55.090
unbiased information
that comes directly from

01:43:55.090 --> 01:43:56.140
them, not through us.

01:43:56.140 --> 01:43:58.670
So it's not us cherry
picking a bunch of groups

01:43:58.670 --> 01:44:01.460
or whatever, whatever
people want to send.

01:44:01.800 --> 01:44:04.570
It's just straight up
results that people are

01:44:04.570 --> 01:44:06.340
getting with the barrels
so that you can sort

01:44:06.340 --> 01:44:07.150
of see for yourself.

01:44:07.349 --> 01:44:08.970
And there's some
beautiful guns on there.

01:44:09.340 --> 01:44:09.690
Yeah there are.

01:44:09.690 --> 01:44:12.300
That guys post pictures
of, and you know, the

01:44:12.300 --> 01:44:14.440
paint jobs and the way
they put them together.

01:44:14.499 --> 01:44:15.349
Just make you drool.

01:44:15.519 --> 01:44:16.410
Yeah, it does.

01:44:17.190 --> 01:44:19.920
And the groups too, like,
you know, people post

01:44:19.920 --> 01:44:21.750
stuff and I'm like, you
shot that with a pre fit.

01:44:21.780 --> 01:44:24.690
Like how, like I can't
believe that it's crazy

01:44:24.720 --> 01:44:26.130
now what you're doing
with it, you know?

01:44:26.130 --> 01:44:27.250
So yeah, it's good.

01:44:27.400 --> 01:44:29.349
It makes me
happy every day.

01:44:29.530 --> 01:44:30.519
Check out all this stuff.

01:44:31.929 --> 01:44:33.370
Well, Ryan,
thanks very much.