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of like a wayward home for
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potentially move to Nashville.
It was literally like, Can I

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crash here for a week and check
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ended up moving. They're like,
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get around. There's a lot of
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that's changed. All that's Wow,
yeah, yeah,

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but I know what you mean, yeah,
Franklin, Tennessee. If you go

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to a, say, you go to a
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the cork and the cow or
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the Red Pony, you're paying as
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Manhattan.

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Yeah, it's crazy. No, I know
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where we went the other night.
We went to the southern oh yeah,

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oh yeah, so, but they have an
amazing steak called, they're

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really the bell. But here's the
thing, is that about that steak?

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Yeah? I think we, you know, I
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yeah, but it came with all the
accouterments.

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came with. It wasn't a la carte,
though, and it was a, it was a

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good filet mignon. So it was an
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with sides. Came with, it came
with veggies and mashes. There

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you

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go. There's always,

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there's always hope.

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This is the rich Redmond show.

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Jim, what is up with you? Man,
it's so good to see you. You

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know, we're, we're catching up
in a public forum, doing a

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little housekeeping. So I got to
play some reggae music the other

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night. There's, you know, our
friend, Troy lachetta, founding

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member of the band Tesla, 35
years you know, has this new

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project called risen the
believer, super positive, high

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energy, reggae inspired music.
And I got to rattle some

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tambourines and cowbells and
play some blocks and dance

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around at the city winery. It
was awesome. Well, you were

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doing hosting there, right?
Well, yeah, I was MC I don't

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know why. People just hand me a
microphone. They said, Hey kid,

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you look like you can handle
this. And I got the cigar like,

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hey, our next art It was fun
because I got to introduce,

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like, you know, these great
recording artists. And we raised

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a bunch of money for Sean
Fuller, you know, he is the

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longtime drummer for Florida,
Georgia line. And now Tyler

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Hubbard and his very young
daughter. She's five years old.

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Cora is suffering with, like, a
rare form of, you know,

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childhood leukemia, and so we
raised a bunch of money for her.

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And it was a very touching
experience. I mean, there's

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Nashville has an amazing
community. I mean, you know,

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I've spent time in the other
music markets, and, no, there's,

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it just doesn't compare. We have
such an amazing, close, tight

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knit, knit community here in
Nashville. You know,

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I it. It never, never fails to
amaze me. Yeah, even back when

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the big concert happened for the
2010 floods, the floods, yeah,

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yeah, at a big charity concert
at the Bridgestone, yeah, man,

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all the, all the biggies got
together. You did too, I think,

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right,

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we did something. We're always
present at some of these things.

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It feels good to help in any way
we can. Yes, Can you feel my

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excitement? I mean, we got a
great guest today. We do so

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great and it's so long overdue,
because I've been in Nashville

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28 years, and this gentleman and
I will just like, we'll just

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like, pass each other and like,
like, ships in the night. And it

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turns out, you know, we're like,
seems like he's all Italian. I'm

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half Italian, you know. And if
you're half Italian is a really

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strong gene, it's like, you're,
you're all Italian, you know,

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but be but this guy cooks. He's
a he's a super talent, and he's

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been calling Nashville home
since 1992 hailing from the

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Washington, DC area as a
drummer. He's a songwriter, he's

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a singer, he's a producer, he's
a storyteller. He's got an

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amazing new solo record coming
out June 6, called exposed. And

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he's played with the likes of
Rodney Crowell, Roseanne, cash

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Amy, Lou Harris, Carleen Carter,
Shania Twain, the list goes on.

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I was member of the group the
cicadas. He's been playing with

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Felix Cavalieri of the rascals
for the last 20 plus years. Our

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friend, Vince Santoro, What's
up, brother, what's going on?

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You covered a lot, dude, thanks
for making the trip to Spring

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Hill. I love it here, man, it's
beautiful. It is quaint. Yeah,

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yeah. You're in the Brentwood
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yeah. Nice. And I watched the
video because this was so great

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about having this job. I get to
do a deep dive and steal from

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all my guests. I go to the
YouTube channels. I go to

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podcasts. I I binge your body of
work and you have just been

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doing I know I watched the video
and it said you built your house

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with your bare hands.

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Are you? Are you a carpenter?

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No, he somebody gave him a weird
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you had planned. I did a little
sweeping. You disappointed? Did

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you fix that?

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Do you have a background in
that? No, the lucky. God bless

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you. It

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was a very interesting thing. I
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Hall. I bought an empty lot, and
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leave it there, but then I
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a bunch of guys, and one of the
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area, and I just said, Hey, man,
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this, and can you help me out?
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contractors, and said, You can
do this. Yeah, so I went ahead

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and did it, and I've done it
three times, and now I'm done.

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that, oh, yeah, than buying a
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you're getting everything,
you're more in control the cost

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at that point. And if you have a
GC as we're building our new

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property, yeah, that's about a
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the GC to handle the project. So
do the math. I mean, we're

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spending, you know, we're
spending six figures on this new

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place. But, I mean, you take 20%
off six figures, it's, yeah,

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it's substantial. It's real
money. Real money better in our

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pocket than somebody else's.
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good for you. And I don't feel
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was like, wow, he's, he's a
chef, and he's handy,

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and he sings Andy, and he sings
and right drums,

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storyteller and and we got a lot
of mutual friends, and we would

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run each into each other at the
Union. Are you still doing the

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secretary treasure

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job? No, okay, step down. Who
did you pass that to? Will

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Barrow? Oh, Will is right, yeah,
yeah. And I believe he is about

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to step down. So, yeah, the
people, you know, they got, it's

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got to work with your daily
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there for, you know, eight, nine
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five, right? 10 to 410, to four,
nine to four, sounds like bank

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hours. Exactly.

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We weren't banking, but, yeah,
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what is the role of the
secretary treasurer. I mean,

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what's a date? What was a day
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Well, you know, this state is a
right to work state, and because

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of that,

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okay, so Secretary Treasurer of
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musicians

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Association, which is a union,
musicians union, and it really

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has a history in this town,
that's,

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that's an elected position. I
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I mean, is it one of those
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they have those, those, the
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the Secretary Treasurer, and, oh
gosh, well, they have staff,

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yeah, and some volunteers and
stuff like that, yeah. But is it

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kind of one of those voluntold
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highly coveted position?

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Well, it kind of depends. I
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but, you know, I was probably
making less than that, so it

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looked great to me, but that
wasn't really the issue. The

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issue was I was not working as
much through my, you know,

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through my own decision to not
work as much and and I figured,

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well, what can I do? So I really
talked to Dave Pomeroy, who's a

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Redskins fan, along with me, and
we both moved down here from the

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DC area, but he said that he
might be needing, you know,

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something at the time, and it
just kind of came about that

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there was an opening. And he
appointed me, and then I was

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reelected. Oh, wow, so, but the
deal as being a secretary

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treasurer in this town, yeah,
it's a little different than in

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New York, because in New York
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have to join the union, yes, and
in this state, you can't do

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that. And so you really got to
have some value for your

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prospective client. You got to
sell it. You kind of got to sell

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it. And we do have a rehearsal
hall. So, I mean, there are,

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there's a lot of pluses that are
offered to a member, yeah, in

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Nashville, and is that's that
became the secretary.

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Treasurer's job is to keep that
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I've been a member for about at
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what was first Dallas with Ray
hair, yeah, who's our national

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president now, I believe right?
And then I moved here in 1997

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you came here in 92 right before
the big gone country booming.

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Yeah, great timing. Yes.

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Dave is so unique in the fact
that if you've got to be

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someplace and on stage and plan,
I'll be there way in advance, as

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you saw, yeah, early today, and
I'm setting up and I'm I'm

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relaxing before he has a show.
Five minutes before, downbeat,

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bam, pulls in, sets up, boom,
let's go. I've never, never

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experienced a cat with that
ability. He's amazing.

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So he's kind of a staple here in
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yeah, oh, wow, yeah. And what

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was his big job that he had, Don
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Williams for a very long time,

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yeah, yeah. And he was a big
call on for sessions. Oh, big

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time. Yeah, yeah. Very
accomplished now, but now he's

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big time in the union. And, you
know, I think he's on the on the

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Federation's board, yeah. So
he's doing a

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lot, and if I'm missing a check
I go running,

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he's the guy to talk to, man,
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Well, that is fantastic. And so,
originally from the DC area, and

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what, how did you pick up the
drums? You have a musical

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I wouldn't say that we have a
musical family. What happened

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was my brother, who is eight
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called the dimensions, and they
were, you know, it was kind of

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like a surf band. They didn't
even have a singer that a sax

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player. They did, like, walk,
don't run and stuff like that.

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And then he went off to college
and left his kit in the basement

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and put a big sheet over and I
said, I'm like, a mess. That

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sheet off. That. And so I
started listening to records and

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putting on earphones and playing
along. And it kind of became

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do, yeah, did it come
supernaturally? Rick, you just

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knew how to play, boom, boom,
cock, a Bucha, boom, Pa right

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away. Or, I don't know

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about that, because everything,
anything, anything good, is

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enthusiasm. I mean, you know,
this is at the time we're

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talking, I'm gonna think it was
like 1968 and so stuff was

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starting to happen. You had the
Beatles, you had the kinks, you

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had the stones, you had then
Hendrix came out. Oh my God. And

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when I first heard the Hendrix,
and even Led Zeppelin after

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that, it just, it was so in me,
I just kind of had to keep

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Now, do you fancy yourself a
rock drummer before anything

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else? Probably, yeah. You know
me too. I tell everybody I'm an

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over educated, yeah. So if you
want to hear that song go, I

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could do it. It's not going to
be as good as the guy that comes

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from the country. Related to
that, if you're listening to

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already looking to improve your

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drumming. Why not level it up in
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drummers from around the world

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have traveled to Nashville to
study with me. We cover subjects

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like reading rudivis, technique,
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So the early influences, all the
bands, yeah, you know, I'm

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sorry, and so did you? Were you
in front of the television for

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the Beatles 1964 Yeah,

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wow. And I had two older
sisters, one in particular that

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was just, she was over the moon.
And so the girl's bedroom was

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just, you know, everything
people's posters, everything,

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everything little dolls and
everything. And, you know, so I

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saw that happening, and I said,
Man, this is really and then I

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started to listen, yeah. And it
really became, it just got

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a hold, yeah, man, how about
that? Ringo, 80 years young,

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yes,

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and plays wonderfully full of

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life. He's got his marbles. He's
just like full of life. He

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really

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is. Felix played in one of the
iterations of his bands,

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the All Star band, yeah. How
about that? Greg Bissonette, 22

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years playing with the Ringo the
master, yeah, legend. Have you

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gotten to interact with Ringo?
Or I haven't one of your you

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know how they say, be careful
when you meet your heroes. I

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know. Have you met any of your
heroes where they were kind of

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like, what? What one?

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Yeah, but I'm not gonna make so

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I'm trying to think, what do the
names rhyme with

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his initials are? You

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know? What's really funny is
that we might have a lot, I

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mean, a lot of the same heroes.
So obviously, you know, Bonham

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on a moon, Ringo, Charlie, and
then, of course, I love the

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apostle brothers, yeah, you
know, I love Carmen. I Sandy

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Gennaro was, was kind of a hero
of mine. He's right here in

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town, you know. So Sandy crashed
in my place. You convinced him

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to move here. Yeah, is that
right? My My house, my old house

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there at nippers corner was kind
of like a wayward home for

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musicians that were deciding to
potentially move to Nashville.

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It was literally like, Can I
crash here for a week and check

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out Nashville, and everybody
ended up moving. They're like,

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Oh, my God, this is great. I can
get around. There's a lot of

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opportunities. It's affordable,
yeah,

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that's changed. All that's Wow,
yeah, yeah, but I know what you

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mean, yeah, Franklin,

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Tennessee, if you go to a, say,
you go to a restaurant in

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downtown Franklin, the cork and
the cow or something, yeah, you

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know, or the Red Pony, you're
paying as much as West Hollywood

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or Manhattan, and it's crazy.
No, I know that's where

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we went the other night. We went
to the southern oh

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yeah, oh yeah, so, but they have
an amazing steak called, they're

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really the bell. But

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here's the thing, is that about
that steak? Yeah, I think we,

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you know, dare I say we paid 60
some

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odd dollars, yeah? But again.
With all the accouterments it

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came with.

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It wasn't a la carte, though,
and it was a, it was a good

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filet mignon. So it was an
upper, a top cut, sir. And it

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came with sods came with. It
came with veggies and mashis.

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There

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you go. There's always a, you
know, there's always hope for

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$60 we made a really expensive
poop. This is how, you know, we

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are successful men. We can clog
our arteries with red meat. Try

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to thin it out with a little bit
of red wine. It doesn't really

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clog your arteries. No, it
doesn't, you know, because the

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more I eat paleo, like, you
know, hunter gatherer, just the

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more energy I have. You do. It's
tough, you know? It's tough

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because our cultural tradition,
I think my people are from

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Napoli, which is more seafood,
right? Yes. But no matter what

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you do, there's, there is,
there's the pasta, right? But

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the American version of pasta
is, is like a drug and like,

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it's like eating a loaf of bread
and you got to take a nap. But,

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you know, we, we have, I have
friends in Europe that are like,

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Man, I eat pizza and pasta all
the time. I'm fine. It does. It

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doesn't do the same. Like Mike
Tarana. He's this killer metal

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drummer that lives in Sardinia.
Wow. We had him on, I don't

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know, about a year ago, and he's
like, Man, I eat pizza and pasta

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every day. And he's like, he's
checked

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well, does he walk like, 40
miles a day? Because that's

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probably what they're doing.
They walk. But

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the thing is, you hear from
everybody, I had a set A friend

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of mine go. She went overseas, I
believe, to Italy, and she's

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like, Yeah, the food, the food
doesn't give you gut bomb. You

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need a nap, you know, because
their food is pure, doesn't have

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all the crap in it, yeah, it's
our food supply here is awful.

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Well, I

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have cousins in bati Paglia,
which is nabolita, yeah? And the

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first night there, they put a
bowl of tomatoes, and I couldn't

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they actually looked very pale,
and not that appetite, but they

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were unbelievable succulent. So
I'm saying, I'm agreeing with

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you that something is going on
in the soil, or whatever it is

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in the water.

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They're making the color more
appear appealing, for sure, but

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maybe it's not supposed to be
that violent, what I'm thinking,

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right? Yeah, yeah. But you go to
LA and you go some of the fruit

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stores, the colors of the fruit
are off the charts, yeah? The

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best

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strawberries, the best kind of,
any kind of berry in the world,

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is in Southern California. Yeah,

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I've seen the strawberries.
They're as big as your fist,

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yeah, but are those?

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But that's the thing. They're
not supposed to be that big. I

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don't know if that's a good
thing or chicken

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breast the size of your four

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on a good they grow in two
weeks.

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It's weird. There are so those
strawberries come from the

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fields there in Oxnard,
California. I know exactly are

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you? DW, that's where they grow.
The drums. DW, drum, drum

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workshop. Oh, because I've seen
videos of you playing, do you

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but back, back, every back line.
So are you endorsing a certain

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drum

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company or, uh, Pearl, but I,
you know, it's been, well, 25

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years from when I was playing
with Rodney. Yeah, that's even

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more Wow. So

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let's talk about that. Okay, you
have. Can we talk about Pearl

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real quick? Oh, yeah, sure.

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Pearl over the because I started
out, sorry, not to hijack it. I

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started out with on, like, an
export set back in the 90s, late

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80s, yes, yeah. And that was,
like, considered to be the entry

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level, yeah, these exports are,
they're nice now, yeah, I hear

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you. I mean, not that they
weren't nice ever, but I mean

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they were nice entry level kit.
There's, like, premium, like,

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all the premium stuff that you
came up knowing, the maples, the

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birches, those were the premium
price drum kits. You know, I

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think pearl back then was a
mahogany, the export.

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Oh, yeah, I didn't have the
export, yeah, but

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man, I mean, I was at Guitar
Center today, and I looked at a

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PDP kit, yeah, that had a carbon
fiber wrap to it. Wow, it was,

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you know, it was a wrap. It was
a sharp looking kit. But, I

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mean, a PDP is, it's a premium
kit, pretty much. I mean,

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dude, I have some PD. I have a
set of PDPs with the wood hoops

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that I leave in LA. And it is
perfect for, like, singer, song

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or writers. Americana, super
warm, super affordable. Every

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drum company now is making entry
level kits, like production

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kits, which from 600 to $1,200
that are off the charts, that

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have this. You know,

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that's doable. You've convinced
me to look into the Yamahas

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stage customs. You said stage
custom, but I'm looking into the

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touring custom. Wow. Like, you
know, the mid range,

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yeah. Like, not now, when? Not
the C class, but the E Class,

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yeah,

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yeah, yeah. Mercedes, Okay,
nice. And that's good. Thank

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you, see.

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But see a drummer that a draw,
you know, a good drummer can

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play just about it even CB seven
was 700 with hydraulic heads

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from 1980 covered in duct tape.
You know what I mean. It's

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because the tone is in your
hands. You know what I

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mean, and damping and all that.

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Yeah, a lot of it is a tuning in
the heads, I guess. Yeah,

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because that's an art tuning.
Tuning,

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yeah, but some guys get all
wrapped up in the science of it,

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and really it's more of a dark
art. It's like, turn the key

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until the drum sounds good. Try
to match. Love. To lug and then

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you will have a relationship
between the top and the bottom

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head. Most guys will go two ways
to go, both heads the same

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pitch, right? Or the bottom head
a little tighter, which gives

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you a little bit more of a rock
and roll pitch bend, which I

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like, I'm a fan of that

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the dough, yeah, dude, yeah.
Maybe that's that's been my

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problem. Yeah, I've been tuning
it down. No,

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you got to have the bottom head
a little tighter than the top. I

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did not know that. Yeah, wow.
Okay, I got this, you got this

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feel betterment, yeah, yeah. And
we had, you know, if, if you

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fancy that, you don't have the
greatest ear, you know, like

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you're the worst timpanist in
the eighth grade. You can use

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the drum dial to set the pitch
of the heads perfectly, so you

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have a perfect starting point.
And then you could tweak to

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taste, which, by

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the way, if you need a drum
dial, we have three for sale on

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marketplace. It's

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not gonna really do us any good
if there's someone in Croatia.

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But

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well, hey, you know we could
ship. They could pay for

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shipping. Are you having fun
winning? Yes, I'm just so glad.

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I'm just so glad we're
connecting like this. But I

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would say that you cornered the
market like you definitely have

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this angle where you're playing
with these amazing I mean, we're

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talking like the creme de la
creme, singer songwriters,

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storytellers, the Rodney crows,
the Roseanne cashes, the Emmy

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Lou Harris's, the Carlene cars,
Mary Chapin Carpenter, I mean,

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that is right up my I mean, that
is awesome. So is, is that like

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a type of music that you just
love, or is that something that

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happened from relationships,
mostly

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relationships, but, but I've the
ones that I felt lucky to land,

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yeah, because it did speak to
me. Yeah. Hey, I stay with it as

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long as I can. Yeah, and that's
why I'm staying with Felix,

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because I grew up on that stuff
and tell us about that gig,

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yeah, yeah, that's a great gig.
It began, I'm going to say it

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was probably, what, 98 or
something like that. And at that

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time I had, well, I'd been in
Nashville for a little bit, but

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I had heard that Felix was
living in Nashville, yeah, and

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in his band was Michael Rhodes
on bass and George Marinelli on

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guitar, yeah. And I think that
was kind of the band and a

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bunch of slackers, man, a bunch,
yeah. So, so I decided

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to join the slackers. Well, I
went down and rehearsed with

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them, and then Marinelli and
Michael Rhodes ended up not

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staying with the band that long,
but we got Mike Sievers on

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guitar, fabulous guitar player.
And we've kind of bounced around

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with bass players. So, you know
we're looking to right now we

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have a guy whom you may know.
His name is, um, is, uh, Graham.

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Maybe now he was in Joe
Jackson's band. Oh, wow. Okay,

432
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really. Great player, so we've
changed some seats, but it's

433
00:22:45,340 --> 00:22:48,580
always the same music. And I
just, I just love the music.

434
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,280
What do you guys play? Like
3040, shows a year started

435
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,400
out to be 40, yeah. It went
through some changes. They did a

436
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:58,060
big reunion where Dino came
back, you know, to Nelly. Yeah.

437
00:22:58,180 --> 00:23:01,920
Fabulous player. He was the one
that did the yeah and and throw

438
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,880
the stick like, way up in the
air, yeah, and somehow it came

439
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:10,320
right back. And then, you know,
so we've gone, like, I say, some

440
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:14,820
changes, but it's just been,
it's kind of fluctuate between,

441
00:23:14,820 --> 00:23:19,260
let's say, 30, around 30 days a
year. Yeah, we're doing a bunch

442
00:23:19,260 --> 00:23:23,420
of stuff with Frankie Valli at
the ice at the end of the

443
00:23:23,420 --> 00:23:28,700
summer. And, oh, what? And I
think Steve Miller, oh yeah,

444
00:23:28,700 --> 00:23:30,680
bunch of opening day, yeah,
that'll be

445
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:35,240
great. I saw Steve at the little
new venue we have there on the

446
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:39,860
left. We pass it when you come.
It's his first link. What's

447
00:23:39,860 --> 00:23:42,640
that? First Bank amp, First Bank
amphitheater. It's right there

448
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,260
on the left before you hit June
lake. It's

449
00:23:44,260 --> 00:23:46,720
one of those places that you
have. You've seen it over here.

450
00:23:46,780 --> 00:23:48,280
No, over 65 it

451
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,400
seats like 7000 people or so.
Yeah, Steve Miller was there.

452
00:23:51,460 --> 00:23:53,680
What two summers ago is fun.
Yeah, our good

453
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,100
friend Todd Zuckerman is going
to be there. And I think in

454
00:23:57,220 --> 00:23:57,880
July,

455
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,600
with the sticks, with the
sticks, with the sticks in his

456
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:01,680
hand. But the funny thing is,

457
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,160
is that that place, it's a real
you'd think that would be a

458
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,800
nightmare to get in and out of
because there's one road, but

459
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,440
they do a really good job of
traffic management. This is

460
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,560
nice, and it's a nice place to
see a show. It really is. It

461
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:13,800
really

462
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,800
is. It's like a Greek theater
type. Never even

463
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,740
heard of it. Little bit of red
rocks going on there. Cool.

464
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:20,100
Yeah. Well,

465
00:24:20,100 --> 00:24:22,460
we're getting so many new
ventricles. We just got the

466
00:24:22,460 --> 00:24:24,740
pinnacle. There's a new, new
venue called the pinnacle, and

467
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:29,120
then we've got that. I don't, I
don't know where it is. I just

468
00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:33,980
know that, you know, Eric
Pritchard was playing with Megan

469
00:24:33,980 --> 00:24:37,160
Moroney, and I wanted to go see,
see him play, but he said was a

470
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,620
Nashville show, so he couldn't
get me to, you know, that is

471
00:24:39,620 --> 00:24:43,540
hometown show. Forget it. You
know, you deserve that ticket.

472
00:24:43,540 --> 00:24:46,240
Oh, that's sweet this week,
Eric. But so do you open or

473
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,200
close with good, love and close?
Yeah, that.

474
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,380
That's the closer. But you know,
people got to be free. Leads up

475
00:24:53,380 --> 00:24:58,240
to that and grooving. He's got a
lot of hits. He does, he likes,

476
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,820
you know, he's a real fan. Of R
and B. He grew up with all that

477
00:25:03,540 --> 00:25:07,860
Curtis Mayfield stuff. And, you
know, we do some departures,

478
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,240
yeah? And he wants to do that.
He wants to do, you know, some

479
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,720
of the old hits and just little
pieces of them. So it fills out

480
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:16,140
the night

481
00:25:16,380 --> 00:25:19,140
fly dates kind of a thing,
mostly, yeah, jump on the plane.

482
00:25:19,140 --> 00:25:22,400
There's a back line drum set,
yeah, and everything,

483
00:25:22,460 --> 00:25:25,640
yeah, you know, amps,
everything. Do you ship your

484
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,160
symbols so you have your own
person. I do not you just play

485
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:28,940
local symbols.

486
00:25:28,940 --> 00:25:31,340
That's what I'm doing, that you
adapt,

487
00:25:31,340 --> 00:25:32,600
improvise and overcome.

488
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,420
I'm afraid that that is the
case, yeah? Because it's like,

489
00:25:35,420 --> 00:25:36,200
you know, again,

490
00:25:36,260 --> 00:25:38,420
I have a gig coming up, and,
hey, do you want to use the

491
00:25:38,420 --> 00:25:41,200
house kit? And I'm like, Well,
what is it? It was a maypex,

492
00:25:41,260 --> 00:25:44,260
yeah, Saturn, yeah, and, but you

493
00:25:44,260 --> 00:25:47,080
don't know of all the widgets
and the belts that are going to

494
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:47,440
be there. No,

495
00:25:47,740 --> 00:25:49,240
I never know. You never know,
bringing

496
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,700
my stuff prepared? Yeah,
obviously, this show is going to

497
00:25:51,700 --> 00:25:54,280
be airing after the fact, but,
you know, we're recording it

498
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,880
beforehand, but I'm going to
bring all my stuff, man.

499
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:02,520
I tell you, I envy being that
way, but I've just never the kit

500
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,700
that's there. That's the one
that I want to play. You know? I

501
00:26:05,700 --> 00:26:08,040
just don't want to. That's a
cool thing. Well, it's like a

502
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,920
surprise, and it's an adventure,
and it does it kind of lifts you

503
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,740
up a little a notch. Now, of
course, it'd be great if it was

504
00:26:13,740 --> 00:26:16,800
my kid, but I'm happy doing it,
yeah. But

505
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,680
what happens if you show up and
there's like, some like, like,

506
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,480
crack to ride and 16 inch
crashes. It happens, man,

507
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,140
you make the best, adapt,
improvise, overcome. I once

508
00:26:27,500 --> 00:26:28,040
arrived

509
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,580
at an outdoor gig where there
was nothing but rod symbols,

510
00:26:32,660 --> 00:26:34,340
nothing but rides, but

511
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,760
can the audience and the band
tell or is it just you? Well,

512
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:43,360
I they heard me screaming, yeah.
No, no, it was so ride cymbals

513
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,200
breaking your wrists. I asked
the

514
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,360
guy. I said, Look, man, these
are ride cymbals. Now you

515
00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:52,240
understand that I've got to have
some crash, so please take care

516
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,780
of that, sir. And you know, he
disappeared, and then I never

517
00:26:55,780 --> 00:26:58,360
saw him again. So he was like,
okay,

518
00:26:58,660 --> 00:27:01,500
ride cymbals is what it is, my
God?

519
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,580
Well, you hear those horror
stories about Broadway, and it's

520
00:27:05,580 --> 00:27:08,040
funny because I think it's on
the Nashville drummers Facebook

521
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,660
page is at least opposed to two
a week of like, whoever is is

522
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:17,040
took the symbol clutch from, you
know, you know, nudie.

523
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,700
Please return it. And God,

524
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,460
there is a cat named John root.
John root, yeah, who? I don't

525
00:27:25,460 --> 00:27:28,340
know. Who pays him. I think it
might be the some of the

526
00:27:28,340 --> 00:27:31,580
families that own some of the
bigger drum companies, right?

527
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,080
It's either he's going down on
behalf of the drum companies

528
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:40,600
that are stocking the pond down
there, or he's paid by the

529
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,360
families, the conglomerate, the
restaurant groups that own some

530
00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:46,720
of those clubs, to maintain the
drum sets. He's a great guy.

531
00:27:46,780 --> 00:27:48,100
Yes, he is, and he and he's

532
00:27:48,100 --> 00:27:51,400
a great drummer, really, and
he's does a great job doing

533
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:52,600
that. I mean, putting kids,

534
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,020
he puts himself out there and
hung a shingle. Hey, I'll come

535
00:27:56,020 --> 00:27:59,560
by on a weekly basis, almost
like mowing lawns. Well, the

536
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,820
weird thing is, a freaking
lefty. He's cleaning drums. He's

537
00:28:02,820 --> 00:28:06,360
changing heads. He's making sure
there's felts, yeah. He's oiling

538
00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:12,900
the bass, drum pedals, yeah. And
he's Brooks and drum Dunn's drum

539
00:28:12,900 --> 00:28:16,200
tuck, yeah. Really for Trey
gray. You know Trey, right?

540
00:28:16,500 --> 00:28:21,260
Never met Trey gray. So, so
besides yourself, he was one of

541
00:28:21,260 --> 00:28:26,240
these early young buck rock
drummers to come and shake shit

542
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,480
up in Nashville. What's his
name? Trey gray. He was with

543
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,020
Faith Hill for the longest time
in the 90s, and then he's been

544
00:28:33,020 --> 00:28:38,060
with Tim McGrath, and then he is
now with Brooks and Dunn for

545
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,500
some time, and did a stint with
Reba as well. Sometimes Reba and

546
00:28:41,500 --> 00:28:45,340
Brooks and double share a band,
right? And anyways, I'm gonna

547
00:28:45,340 --> 00:28:47,740
get to see him at the end of the
month, because we are doing

548
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:54,280
Fenway on the 30th. Oh, nice.
Yeah, done. And, and Jason LD,

549
00:28:54,820 --> 00:28:58,780
it's gonna be a good, good bill
in Boston.

550
00:28:59,380 --> 00:29:03,660
But Boston Boston, dare I say,
corkscar pack

551
00:29:04,500 --> 00:29:07,620
the cat. Mark Wahlberg Dunkey,
get

552
00:29:07,620 --> 00:29:10,500
out of here. That's wicked
monster. Wicked pista,

553
00:29:11,700 --> 00:29:15,660
so why Nashville did did
Manhattan or Hollywood ever call

554
00:29:15,660 --> 00:29:16,860
your name? Yeah,

555
00:29:16,860 --> 00:29:21,260
but you know, those were years
ago, and I just really was

556
00:29:21,260 --> 00:29:25,340
hanging out in DC after making
stints like with Kathy McDonald

557
00:29:25,340 --> 00:29:29,540
in LA, yeah. And we opened up
for Earth, Wind and Fire during

558
00:29:29,780 --> 00:29:33,920
the all the Paramount Theater
circuit and yeah. And then I was

559
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:38,120
sitting there and my buddy, and
you'll know him, Stuart Smith,

560
00:29:38,180 --> 00:29:43,120
yeah, he was a DC guy, and he
must have been talking to

561
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,660
Rodney, and Rodney needed a
drummer in addition to a guitar

562
00:29:46,660 --> 00:29:48,640
player, and he just called and
said, Hey, would you be

563
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,120
interested? And I said, Sure. So
we both came down and became

564
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,460
part of the band. Yeah, that's
what got us here.

565
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,520
Now I heard somewhere, little
birdie told me that when you

566
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,740
came to Nashville, you were
juggling four gigs at the same

567
00:29:59,740 --> 00:30:02,100
time. Well, that's what I was,
yeah, yeah, amazing,

568
00:30:02,220 --> 00:30:06,540
yeah, wow. And then, you know,
Roy Bucha, and passed away

569
00:30:06,540 --> 00:30:08,160
during that time, so now

570
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,340
I wasn't familiar with him, so
because of you, I went and I did

571
00:30:11,340 --> 00:30:14,340
a deep dive on Roy Bucha and
cool, kind of, like bluesy, hell

572
00:30:14,340 --> 00:30:19,020
yeah. And kind of a guitar, God,
yeah. He and Danny Gatton are

573
00:30:19,020 --> 00:30:23,060
both DC guys, and you would
think that they would get along

574
00:30:23,060 --> 00:30:26,780
with each other. They had some
weird feud going on, but I think

575
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,080
it was mainly just for
publicity. Yeah, you know what

576
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,260
I'm saying? Like, oh, he left a
cigarette on my amp man, and it

577
00:30:33,260 --> 00:30:36,620
burned on the coat the tolax.
And so I've never, I've never

578
00:30:36,620 --> 00:30:39,140
liked him since, but I think
that's all baloney, you know.

579
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,480
But they're, they were big deal.
And he's, you know, Roy just

580
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,180
really didn't take care of
himself, and he passed away. But

581
00:30:46,180 --> 00:30:50,200
during that time, I was playing
with Edgar Winter and Rodney and

582
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:55,180
Roseanne. So yeah, but then when
I came down here, it really made

583
00:30:55,180 --> 00:30:57,640
sense to make a thing out of it,
yeah, man,

584
00:30:59,260 --> 00:31:02,340
Edgar Winter, so you got to play
Frankenstein. Oh yeah. And he

585
00:31:02,340 --> 00:31:05,460
was on the Tim Bali is doing the
thing. He does anything. Did we

586
00:31:05,460 --> 00:31:18,660
just do that? So it was so
funny, you know? And I

587
00:31:18,660 --> 00:31:20,180
did a look to camera while

588
00:31:20,180 --> 00:31:22,700
you were doing he broke, he
broke the fourth wall, just like

589
00:31:22,700 --> 00:31:27,680
the office. Thank you, Michael,
so, so you have, may have had

590
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,680
some, some scares, some like
injury scares, over the years,

591
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,620
but just 25 days ago, I was
doing the dishes, and I was

592
00:31:33,620 --> 00:31:38,660
washing a coffee mug like this.
The coffee mug lacerated my

593
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:43,180
money backbeat finger right
here. My wanna, why did

594
00:31:43,180 --> 00:31:45,700
it do that just broke off and
then

595
00:31:45,700 --> 00:31:48,760
blood spraying all over the wall
and everything. So 25 days ago,

596
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,420
my life was, I was like, Oh my
God, my career is over. Healed

597
00:31:52,420 --> 00:31:55,540
up so beautifully. But I was
supposed to go to Texas and play

598
00:31:55,540 --> 00:31:59,500
with this amazing student
percussion ensemble, and one of

599
00:31:59,500 --> 00:32:02,640
the pieces was gonna be
Frankenstein. Nice. Yeah. So

600
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,400
anyways, I sent Jim Riley from
the rascal flats to do it. He

601
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,620
jumped right in with the kids.
He did. I'm sure it was

602
00:32:07,620 --> 00:32:09,600
great. But did they have a
timbali player to do

603
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,100
the thing? I'm sure he went.
That's amazing.

604
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,260
But no, Edgar is one of those
guys that can play every

605
00:32:16,260 --> 00:32:17,040
instrument on the

606
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,660
stage, man. And he's a virtuoso
sax player. He's a drummer. I

607
00:32:20,660 --> 00:32:23,060
mean, he's a drummer, is this
actually, is a great singer. I

608
00:32:23,060 --> 00:32:26,480
don't know where he stopped,
yeah. And he's still hitting it.

609
00:32:26,540 --> 00:32:27,320
Apparently, that's

610
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,500
amazing that you have that, you
know, and that's something Nancy

611
00:32:30,500 --> 00:32:33,680
put in your back pocket rock and
roll history, right there. Yeah,

612
00:32:34,220 --> 00:32:34,400
yeah.

613
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:35,420
His first record

614
00:32:36,740 --> 00:32:39,920
is the jazzier one, yeah. And we
did a couple things off that

615
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,860
too. So it was really cool.
Really

616
00:32:41,860 --> 00:32:45,520
cool. That's amazing. Yeah,
fantastic. And then I ripped out

617
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,640
that cicadas record. That had to
be really fun. Now, when is it?

618
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,400
How often did the cicadas come?
Is it every 13 years?

619
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,300
I think it's two different
things. They're, they're Yeah. I

620
00:32:55,300 --> 00:32:58,600
mean, that's one, yeah. And then
there's the 20 something year,

621
00:32:58,600 --> 00:32:58,720
yeah.

622
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,860
And they come out and just hump
their brains out and die. Make

623
00:33:01,860 --> 00:33:05,640
a lot of noise, so noisy they
make the ground really crunchy.

624
00:33:05,700 --> 00:33:09,060
Yeah, man. I mean, those songs
were, wow, yeah, really, really

625
00:33:09,060 --> 00:33:14,400
good songs. Yeah. Now what I It
wasn't Rodney trying to make a

626
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,840
effort on that record to, like,
be outside of the normal country

627
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,920
machinery, just a little bit.
Yeah. So were you guys playing,

628
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,240
like, rock rooms and, yeah,

629
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,940
that kind of stuff. And we did,
you know, a bunch of to the New

630
00:33:25,940 --> 00:33:29,000
York TV shows and stuff. And I
think we were really because of

631
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:35,180
the people involved. It was
based on, if these songs hit

632
00:33:35,180 --> 00:33:38,540
radio, we would do it in a
bigger way. But it kind of

633
00:33:38,540 --> 00:33:41,680
didn't ever happen like that,
even though we did. I mean, I

634
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,800
thought some of that stuff was
perfect for radio. Yeah, the one

635
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:50,740
that they chose to spread around
was a sort of down tempo, but it

636
00:33:50,740 --> 00:33:53,620
was just, you know, Michael
Rhodes on bass, Stewart on

637
00:33:53,620 --> 00:33:57,640
guitar, and if things had taken
off, I think we would have done

638
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,540
something, but you know that
people kind of had a lot on

639
00:34:00,540 --> 00:34:01,800
their plate. Yeah,

640
00:34:02,340 --> 00:34:05,760
and I'm blown away by your
ability as a singing drummer.

641
00:34:05,820 --> 00:34:08,820
First of all, you got a great
voice, but it's almost like it's

642
00:34:08,820 --> 00:34:11,580
like your fifth limb, and it
comes with extreme coordination,

643
00:34:11,580 --> 00:34:15,420
like we're having Mr. Stanley
Lynch on on Friday. Oh, he can

644
00:34:15,420 --> 00:34:18,240
do that thing. So I'm sure you
guys have crossed paths over

645
00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:18,480
years.

646
00:34:18,540 --> 00:34:21,860
Yeah? Well, I think he co wrote
one of the songs on the cicadas,

647
00:34:21,860 --> 00:34:23,660
ready? I believe so fantastic,

648
00:34:23,660 --> 00:34:27,200
yeah, but to do that is a is a
great skill set, and I'm sure

649
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,440
it's been an asset for you,
because, like, we want a strong

650
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,680
vocal band. Well, you, you know,
you're covering it, yeah, that's

651
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:34,040
great.

652
00:34:34,340 --> 00:34:37,580
Well, it helps and, you know, it
also helps me, because I'm more

653
00:34:37,700 --> 00:34:41,800
into the song. I'm deeper into
the presentation of the song.

654
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:42,100
It's

655
00:34:42,100 --> 00:34:44,800
amazing. How many Jim Don't you
think a lot of drummers, they

656
00:34:44,980 --> 00:34:47,860
don't take the time to
understand the the actual

657
00:34:47,860 --> 00:34:50,860
storytelling and what is being
told here, because that's gonna,

658
00:34:50,860 --> 00:34:54,880
like, inform what's the tuning
on the snare drum? Is it

659
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,120
brushes, or is it sticks? Do I
want to use symbols with rivets,

660
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:02,280
or how about mallets? I mean,
is. And all that stuff is going

661
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,620
to be informed by the the
involvement,

662
00:35:04,620 --> 00:35:07,140
and what your involvement, if
you're singing it, or even if

663
00:35:07,140 --> 00:35:10,260
you're just singing backups,
yeah, you're following it a lot.

664
00:35:10,260 --> 00:35:11,220
Yeah, it's

665
00:35:11,220 --> 00:35:14,280
a lot of stuff that you know,
how many? What's the percentage

666
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,740
of the entire, let's say, USA
drumming community that

667
00:35:16,740 --> 00:35:21,380
understands that notion, that
concept of needing different

668
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,380
symbols, like what you're
talking about, brushes versus

669
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,680
brushes versus sticks is one
thing. But hey, I need a highly

670
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,320
tuned snare. I want another
douche snare, you know, a little

671
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,900
bit lower tuned, that kind of
thing. How many drummers

672
00:35:32,900 --> 00:35:37,340
understand that in the general
collective, you know, especially

673
00:35:37,340 --> 00:35:40,720
the percentage of drummers that
can sing not just backup, but

674
00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:45,340
sing lead, yeah. You know, you
look at Phil Collins, you play

675
00:35:45,340 --> 00:35:49,000
in the air tonight. That's not,
you know, once the drums kick

676
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:54,040
in, it's seemingly easy, but
there's a lot of like, the fills

677
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,700
and the way he constructed that
song is very tasteful, but

678
00:35:57,700 --> 00:36:00,360
there's complication to it.
Yeah, and he's singing over

679
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:01,740
Yeah. But wait a minute,

680
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,020
I think in concert,

681
00:36:06,060 --> 00:36:07,320
Chester would cover the

682
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,440
No, you there's actually a live
video of Phil.

683
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,680
Had to have been a time, yeah,
yeah. It hadn't been a time. You

684
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,280
could see YouTube where he
basically does a slow walk

685
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,080
leading up to goo goo goo Gong,
you know the big Phil, yeah, but

686
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,960
he times it to where he sits out
of the drums right in time.

687
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,380
That's and then, and then he
plays the rest of the song. And

688
00:36:27,380 --> 00:36:34,880
he's singing with the, you know,
the Madonna mic and gun. And

689
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,940
he's doing that. Did you guys
any singing over,

690
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,220
dude? It's, no, it's, it's a
thing. It, it

691
00:36:42,220 --> 00:36:45,340
scrambles through my brain,
yeah, to think about it, yeah.

692
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,340
You know, on Henley. You know,
we did one year. You know, the

693
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,120
bands really are thoughtful
these days about choosing their

694
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,880
walk on music, you know. So the
house is dark and you got to

695
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,160
walk on music, and you got to
time. It just right. So

696
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,580
everybody gets to their
instruments, and then, boom,

697
00:37:00,580 --> 00:37:02,800
they'll hit the lake. So we
would, we had that one years

698
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,700
ago. And then, then you're on,
then we're on, cool. It

699
00:37:05,700 --> 00:37:08,340
was also you would use in the
air, and five

700
00:37:08,340 --> 00:37:11,580
years ago, oh, really, yeah, pre
pandemic, that's cool. Was it a

701
00:37:11,580 --> 00:37:13,920
pre produced thing that they
take the track and kind of,

702
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,140
like, you know, like, what I
would do, or I would take the

703
00:37:16,140 --> 00:37:18,840
track and do, doing good on,
good on good on go, and then

704
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,640
put, like, a reverb on that last
hit.

705
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,600
I think our, I think our sound
guy, like, was just using, you

706
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,420
know, the mp three of the song,
and then he would just pull it

707
00:37:26,420 --> 00:37:30,260
down, yeah, yank it down.
Manual, analog dude, yeah, yeah,

708
00:37:30,260 --> 00:37:34,160
I'll just produce it. But what a
musician. What a that. Phil

709
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:39,440
Collins, wow, to play fusion the
way he did. And then, you know,

710
00:37:40,220 --> 00:37:43,660
just drum sound, yeah. I mean,
you know, Brand X, with

711
00:37:43,660 --> 00:37:47,020
Brand X, he was playing straight
up British fusion. And then,

712
00:37:47,020 --> 00:37:50,260
then, then everything got more
pop sensibility. And there's

713
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,680
like, I'll sing, you know, Peter
Gabriel's, let's try foot. Good

714
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,900
boy. They auditioned a lot of
guys, and they didn't like

715
00:37:55,900 --> 00:37:59,620
anyone to to do what sing or
play drum to sing, yeah. And

716
00:37:59,620 --> 00:38:01,660
they're like, and so Phil's
like, I'll try it. And then as

717
00:38:01,660 --> 00:38:03,660
soon as soon as he started
singing either, like, home,

718
00:38:03,780 --> 00:38:05,040
that's pretty amazing.

719
00:38:05,340 --> 00:38:11,340
Look at together. Great, great.
Yeah, Dino, my goodness, he

720
00:38:11,340 --> 00:38:14,460
sounds better than the freaking
guy singing, yeah, I mean, you

721
00:38:14,460 --> 00:38:15,840
hear him sing, mother, father,

722
00:38:18,300 --> 00:38:20,900
Dean Castronovo, Oh, gotcha. You
know, I'm both. I'm thinking

723
00:38:20,900 --> 00:38:22,640
about Dino DINELLI. No, you know

724
00:38:24,860 --> 00:38:28,880
Dean castrono, not a singer, a
personality like a look him up

725
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,820
on on YouTube, singing mother,
father,

726
00:38:31,820 --> 00:38:35,060
well, he can definitely, oh my.
He can front, he confront, any

727
00:38:35,060 --> 00:38:43,600
band. So, so now, singing a song
you're so now closely, somewhat

728
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,380
closely related to this
storytelling one man show thing.

729
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,100
So, so that is such a great
concept. So Jim, let me catch up

730
00:38:51,100 --> 00:38:54,280
to speed. So Vince has a thing
where he does like a one man

731
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,220
show, where he will, he'll play
drum accompaniment and basically

732
00:38:57,220 --> 00:39:00,840
do like I watched the video,
long form poetry, spoken word.

733
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,540
Yeah, you're rapping, and you
pack the house. Every video I

734
00:39:03,540 --> 00:39:05,940
see, there's a very enthusiastic
audience. It's

735
00:39:05,940 --> 00:39:10,080
very, it was very intense
prepping for those, yeah,

736
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,200
because you got to, not only
know, I mean, it's an essay,

737
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,140
basically, you know, each piece
is an essay, or that I've

738
00:39:16,140 --> 00:39:19,380
written, and I got to memorize
it, because I'm not going to sit

739
00:39:19,380 --> 00:39:22,580
there with charts, no prompter,
and I can't do that. Gotta feel

740
00:39:22,580 --> 00:39:26,480
but then you can't just memorize
it. You You've kind of got to be

741
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,120
able to talk it. You got to
activate, because I'm also

742
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,420
doing, you know this, and I
can't overpower it with the

743
00:39:32,420 --> 00:39:35,420
drums. It was, it was really,
where did that idea come from?

744
00:39:36,980 --> 00:39:42,280
I'll be honest with you. Do you
know who mitten Sparks is no.

745
00:39:42,940 --> 00:39:47,680
Mitten Sparks is a woman that me
and my wife know and we're

746
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,580
friends with, and she does
spoken word, and she uses John

747
00:39:51,580 --> 00:39:56,800
Jackson on guitar, and it was
similar to what I did, but I saw

748
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:01,500
her do that, and I just figured
this. This is. Cool, and I've

749
00:40:01,500 --> 00:40:07,080
been writing, and I gotta try
it. I gotta see if I can do this

750
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:11,040
thing where I'm not relying on
other accompaniment, that I'll

751
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,680
be my own accompaniment. I'll be
able to stop when I want to

752
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,280
stop. I'll be able to accent
when I want to accent. Yeah, and

753
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,720
it became a thing, and I started
putting it together. But it's a

754
00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:24,740
pain in the butt to do, man,
it's just so hard to do it and

755
00:40:24,740 --> 00:40:28,040
do it like it's natural. How
many pieces of that do you have?

756
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:29,300
Well, on on my

757
00:40:29,300 --> 00:40:33,800
DVD, on my live DVD, I guess
there's 10 pieces, wow, but I

758
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,720
got 20 some. That's,

759
00:40:35,720 --> 00:40:39,260
that's like, an America's Got
Talent kind of thing. Well,

760
00:40:39,380 --> 00:40:41,920
yeah, but you know, you can hear
it on that show. Yeah,

761
00:40:41,980 --> 00:40:44,920
I could do it. I could do it on
the show. But I tell you, just

762
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,020
prepping for it is such a
effort. It's, it's

763
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,740
definitely, it's Creek, as I saw
it. You sent me the video

764
00:40:50,740 --> 00:40:53,980
yesterday. I was like, wow,
that's out there, huh? Yeah,

765
00:40:54,580 --> 00:40:58,540
yeah. I was like, you know, here
I am shaking off the rust of not

766
00:40:58,540 --> 00:41:01,000
playing for the past 20 years,
and I'm like, and this guy's

767
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,340
freaking telling stories and
rapping

768
00:41:04,620 --> 00:41:09,060
way behind. It was unique. It
was a unique effort. But, man,

769
00:41:09,060 --> 00:41:10,560
it's just so hard to do.

770
00:41:10,740 --> 00:41:14,280
Yeah, but I appreciate because
you pull it off very smoothly.

771
00:41:14,340 --> 00:41:14,820
Yes,

772
00:41:14,820 --> 00:41:20,040
thanks. Yeah. I, I would. I want
to see the DVD. I don't have a

773
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,140
DVD player

774
00:41:22,100 --> 00:41:26,180
that will that will not work.
I'll send you some stuff. Yeah?

775
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:27,080
Send you something

776
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,920
like, You need to go in and make
clips out of that and put it on

777
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,460
tick tock Instagram. I actually
like, you need help with that.

778
00:41:34,460 --> 00:41:38,300
Let me know, because that's,
that's something that's virality

779
00:41:38,300 --> 00:41:40,040
potential, yeah? I mean,

780
00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:42,100
okay, yeah, you'll be the guy
that's like, Hey, have you seen

781
00:41:42,100 --> 00:41:45,220
the guy that does the thing?
Yeah? Like, yeah, Chip

782
00:41:45,220 --> 00:41:47,860
Ritter, the juggling drummer.
You're right. Basically, I mean,

783
00:41:47,860 --> 00:41:50,560
yeah, it's like, I like, Chip,
yeah. Chips. A cool guy. He's

784
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,340
nice. He loves, he loved
commenting on my when Spencer

785
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,160
used to play with me, yeah, he
would comment in the Facebook

786
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:57,580
comments,

787
00:41:57,580 --> 00:41:59,560
yeah, I've been around him a
lot. He's a nice guy. He will.

788
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,820
He got to do stupid, Human
Tricks on Letterman was great,

789
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,760
but I'm serious, you know, I saw
it. That's the first thing.

790
00:42:05,940 --> 00:42:09,960
Like, one of my giftings and
super superpowers is knowing

791
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,120
talent when I see it, not you
know, of course, you're

792
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:17,460
talented. You got a resume
that's that's like Everest. But

793
00:42:17,460 --> 00:42:20,120
you know, for something like
this, you see a lot of guys on

794
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:24,380
on Instagram that are circus
drumming. They, you know, all

795
00:42:24,380 --> 00:42:27,080
the speed and, you know, doing
all these, you know, mind

796
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,020
blowing. Let's reinvent Tom
Sawyer, because it needs to be

797
00:42:30,020 --> 00:42:32,660
like, No, you don't do that. You
that's, that's sacred. You

798
00:42:32,660 --> 00:42:36,080
don't, you don't touch that
song, Italian guy, whatever your

799
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,360
name, with the beard and
Mustang, and

800
00:42:40,220 --> 00:42:42,820
I can't remember the guy's name,
he's incredible. Yeah,

801
00:42:42,820 --> 00:42:43,840
he won hand Yeah,

802
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,280
glass of wine on a snare drum,
and he doesn't spill

803
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,460
it, right? It's like when you
saw a mattress come and he's

804
00:42:51,460 --> 00:42:51,700
also

805
00:42:52,780 --> 00:42:55,420
smoking 420 at the same time,
right?

806
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,500
Yeah, that's the pario, or
something like that. Estepario.

807
00:42:59,500 --> 00:43:02,760
Esteparia, yeah, so guy, that's
the guy. But the thing is, is

808
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:08,940
that as you become as I get
older, you realize it's like,

809
00:43:08,940 --> 00:43:12,360
yeah, that's cool and all, but
where's the, where's the nuance,

810
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,660
where's the tastefulness? Yeah,
you know what I mean. Look

811
00:43:15,660 --> 00:43:18,420
up this guy on YouTube playing
with Felix Cavallari, and

812
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:23,000
there's a, there was a, there's
a, somebody got you playing

813
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,660
right behind the horn section,
four feet from you. And you can

814
00:43:26,660 --> 00:43:31,400
hear the some of the sections.
You the guys just want to move

815
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:37,640
it forward. And Vince is just
like, just smile, like, Dude,

816
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,760
this is just pocket for but, and
then, you know, there's one

817
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:42,980
section of the song where you're
kind of like, slamming this.

818
00:43:42,980 --> 00:43:44,980
Slamming the stick, like in the
head. Was like, it's like, a

819
00:43:44,980 --> 00:43:47,620
choice. And then there's another
section where you're like, off

820
00:43:47,620 --> 00:43:49,720
to the side, getting different
sound. Another side, you like,

821
00:43:49,780 --> 00:43:52,480
lighten your touch. It's like,
directly in the head. It's like,

822
00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:55,300
it's great, man. It's amazing.

823
00:43:55,300 --> 00:43:56,680
What boredom will drive you to,

824
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,860
no, no, just trying to have some
dynamics. You know

825
00:44:01,860 --> 00:44:04,500
what I mean? I think boredom
kind of feel about that boredom,

826
00:44:04,500 --> 00:44:07,080
but, you know, it's like, okay,
now I'm comfortable here, yeah?

827
00:44:07,140 --> 00:44:09,120
How do I become more
uncomfortable? That's

828
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:10,200
probably a good, good

829
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:14,580
way of putting it, yeah, where
did you know so Nick Pellegrino,

830
00:44:14,580 --> 00:44:18,780
Steve Marcantonio, I could
start, start all the, the Manja

831
00:44:18,780 --> 00:44:22,880
guys, the Manja guys. So Irish,
so you've ever been to manga,

832
00:44:22,940 --> 00:44:25,040
the eight course Italian
restaurant over there, off of,

833
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,860
like, eighth Ave. It's still an
Eighth Avenue, we probably

834
00:44:27,860 --> 00:44:32,120
Craighead, so it's okay. What an
experience. And what you do is

835
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,360
it's, it's, it's a traditional
Italian meal in the sense that

836
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,020
it's multi course, and it takes
about three hours. Yeah, because

837
00:44:39,020 --> 00:44:42,160
you're dancing, you're gonna be
dancing so you can digest and

838
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,380
then you're ready for another
course. And then here comes a

839
00:44:44,380 --> 00:44:47,260
glass of wine and Bucha. It's a
great European experience. It's

840
00:44:47,260 --> 00:44:51,280
amazing. So, so you know, with
the American Mark Antonio, he

841
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,940
will not let me into the cool
kids club, because I'm only half

842
00:44:55,420 --> 00:44:58,000
right. So he got to be FBI. He
keeps me like this. He's like,

843
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,200
No, you're only half the time.
Any. Days I got invited to my

844
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,140
own ginzo night. That's good,
good. So I got a ginzo night

845
00:45:04,140 --> 00:45:06,960
with you still do it. It's with
Jim capolino, Mark capellino,

846
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,860
and Neal capellino. So all the
capelinhos are there. And it's

847
00:45:10,860 --> 00:45:14,580
like, once a month, and it's,
it's a five, six hour night

848
00:45:14,580 --> 00:45:16,500
where we start with the
aperitifs, really, and then

849
00:45:16,500 --> 00:45:18,660
slowly but surely, here's,
here's a little white, here's a

850
00:45:18,660 --> 00:45:21,260
little red, here comes out the
next thing. Then we're doing the

851
00:45:21,260 --> 00:45:23,600
salads. Then we sit down to the
main course, and then somebody

852
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,360
come. We got the coffee, we got
dessert, booming, cigars,

853
00:45:26,900 --> 00:45:30,560
whiskey, go deep. Man. It was
awesome. That's fantastic. Can

854
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,800
we maybe we need to invite you
and me? Maybe we have in the

855
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,960
house here, bring those guys
tell Hey, why don't we do this

856
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,180
down here now? Oh yeah, a Spring
Hill experience,

857
00:45:38,180 --> 00:45:41,020
yeah. Well, I bet. I mean, Nick,
Nick will cater, you know?

858
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,320
Oh, yeah, yeah. And, you know,
that whole Manja thing began

859
00:45:44,380 --> 00:45:47,620
before the restaurant where we
were just doing pot luck

860
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,440
at each other's house. So that
was your ginzo night. So I'm

861
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,320
just happy I got invited this
ginzo night. Do you know Steven?

862
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,020
Steven farella, he's a
songwriter. So he's, he's the

863
00:45:56,020 --> 00:45:59,740
one. He's, he's like, Hey,
Redmond, you know, come on, do

864
00:45:59,740 --> 00:46:02,700
your own thing. That's cool. You
only have it's fine. We won't,

865
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,680
we won't tell, we won't tell
anybody to

866
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,020
be okay. Because I'm I have an
Irish last name, but I'm 42%

867
00:46:07,500 --> 00:46:08,940
Jewish, as I've come to find
out.

868
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,760
There's, there's no Italian in
you. I think

869
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,720
there's a pretty significant I
believe I'm a lot Italian. Yes,

870
00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:18,420
I checked. Well, I'm a very
minimal Irish. I'm afraid

871
00:46:18,420 --> 00:46:21,980
to do the 23 and meet. They got
hacked. Yeah. Oh, what is that?

872
00:46:21,980 --> 00:46:25,100
Everybody's DNA information. You
know, your genetic testing, your

873
00:46:25,100 --> 00:46:29,120
family roots in life. So the
website got a got attack. For

874
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,600
what reason somebody wants this,
all this information on these

875
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:36,320
oops, yeah, that's weird, and I
don't like it. I don't like it

876
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,660
either, because, you know, first
of all, Siri is listening,

877
00:46:38,660 --> 00:46:41,980
right? Siri, I never have Siri
on, and people have bought me

878
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,940
Alexis. I've got two Alexis, and
I've never taken her out of the

879
00:46:45,940 --> 00:46:46,240
box.

880
00:46:47,260 --> 00:46:49,780
Well, I mean, there was actually
that time we were sitting there

881
00:46:49,780 --> 00:46:52,960
and I said, you know, Courtney,
my wife, I said, it's funny that

882
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,480
you think that these machines
that are in here are actually

883
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,180
listening to us and plotting our
destruction. And we laughed,

884
00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:01,680
yeah. And Courtney left, and my
daughter laughed, Alexa laughed.

885
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:08,940
Siri laughed. She laughed like
this, exactly, man, she totally

886
00:47:08,940 --> 00:47:11,820
did, totally laugh. And then we
realized we're done.

887
00:47:12,780 --> 00:47:15,480
So tell us about this new
record, because you have put out

888
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,780
solo records before, but this is
the one where the first one

889
00:47:18,780 --> 00:47:21,680
where you have written all of
the songs that you were

890
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,500
performing, yeah, and it's
fantastic, and it was produced

891
00:47:24,500 --> 00:47:26,720
by George and yourself, right?
George, Mary

892
00:47:26,900 --> 00:47:29,660
George gets production credit,
yes, yeah, for

893
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:34,100
those that don't know, George is
the guitar player with Bonnie

894
00:47:34,100 --> 00:47:34,760
Raitt, Bonnie

895
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,840
Raitt and the range before that,
yeah, you know Bruce orange

896
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:39,020
piece?

897
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,520
Yeah, he was a founding member.
Was he not of so your brother

898
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,340
probably knows all about that.
I'm sure he does. Yeah. Jim's

899
00:47:45,340 --> 00:47:48,580
brother is a keyboard player who
plays in many tribute bands in

900
00:47:48,580 --> 00:47:49,480
the Detroit

901
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,540
Yeah. Oh, okay, so we had dinner
with him the other night. He

902
00:47:52,540 --> 00:47:57,040
was, it's always lovely to see
my brother. Yeah, and he he

903
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,300
talked about, what do you ask
you about John bolo? Oh, Johnny,

904
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,980
yeah, do you know this drummer?
We have met, we have not met in

905
00:48:04,980 --> 00:48:07,260
the flesh, but of course, we
know John

906
00:48:07,260 --> 00:48:11,820
Molo is a DC guy, yeah. And so I
knew him when I was playing in

907
00:48:11,820 --> 00:48:16,020
local bands in DC. He was in the
nowhere men. I think it was the

908
00:48:16,020 --> 00:48:20,840
nowhere men. And, you know? And
he always was like, he was okay,

909
00:48:20,900 --> 00:48:26,840
yeah. And then he got really
good, and he gave me a call, I'm

910
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:32,600
gonna say 10 years after that,
so, like, probably around the

911
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,140
before, just before I moved to
Nashville, and he called up and

912
00:48:36,140 --> 00:48:38,720
he said, Hey Vince man, you
know, I'm looking for a drummer

913
00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:41,560
to for this, this project I'm
doing, because now he's a bigger

914
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:46,300
shot. Is he like, he's in LA and
he's putting together bands and

915
00:48:46,300 --> 00:48:48,880
producing bands. And he said,
she said, yeah, man, we're

916
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,460
looking, we're looking for a
drummer. And I'm starting to

917
00:48:51,460 --> 00:48:55,360
think, man, he's asked me, we're
looking for somebody like a,

918
00:48:55,480 --> 00:49:02,880
like a young Vince Santorum. And
I went, No way. Oh yeah, oh

919
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:07,380
yeah. And then this Hornsby
thing. These guys are practical

920
00:49:07,380 --> 00:49:10,620
jokers to the map. Oh really, oh
yeah. I would get these weird

921
00:49:10,620 --> 00:49:14,820
calls. And it's, it's, it's
Bruce Hornsby on the phone

922
00:49:14,820 --> 00:49:17,640
saying, Yeah, Vince, hey,
listen, I wanted to talk to you,

923
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,220
and they're jacking me up.
Marinelli is sitting there

924
00:49:20,220 --> 00:49:23,660
crying right next to him,
laughing. These guys, they just

925
00:49:23,660 --> 00:49:26,000
put you through hell, and they
don't realize what they're

926
00:49:26,900 --> 00:49:30,320
like dangling a carrot in front
of you. Yeah? Oh yeah.

927
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,920
You know, whatever it takes for
them to get their yayas. Wow.

928
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,460
Wonderful, brutal, wonderful
friends.

929
00:49:37,460 --> 00:49:40,600
Yeah? I mean, some guys really
take that to the you know, we're

930
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,400
not a super practical joke band

931
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,400
that's like grounds for you
know, dude, I'm gonna freaking

932
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,800
You better not. You ever sleep
with the one eye open for crying

933
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:48,100
out loud.

934
00:49:48,100 --> 00:49:49,180
I know it got that way

935
00:49:50,620 --> 00:49:52,000
young Vincent

936
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:58,240
or I went, what? What do you
mean calling me like that? Yeah,

937
00:49:58,780 --> 00:50:03,240
because in 1990 90. You know,
around 1990 I was, I

938
00:50:03,240 --> 00:50:04,380
was younger.

939
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,240
You still are young, totally,

940
00:50:09,240 --> 00:50:12,840
my God, man, that's right, so
exposed. Tell us about the tell

941
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:14,580
us about the record. Well,

942
00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:18,600
it came. It really kind of came
as a surprise, because there's

943
00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:22,820
one cut on that too familiar
sight that I had actually

944
00:50:22,820 --> 00:50:27,800
recorded probably 10 years ago,
and Marinelli played guitar on

945
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:32,060
it, and I I revisited the mix,
and I started adding some stuff,

946
00:50:32,060 --> 00:50:34,520
and I sent it to Jordan. He
said, Man, this sounds great.

947
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,880
And he says, Why don't we do a
record? I said, really? I said,

948
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,160
Well, okay. Well, let me, I'll
send you a couple. And so from

949
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:44,140
there, we just started, and we
made a nice list of songs and

950
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,360
called it a record. Yeah. What's
your favorite track?

951
00:50:47,380 --> 00:50:50,080
I would say my favorite one is
everything, trying

952
00:50:50,140 --> 00:50:52,360
to remember which one, because
there's because there's some

953
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,340
stones, II type, yeah, there's
that.

954
00:50:54,340 --> 00:50:58,240
That's I'll be dancing too.
Yeah. No, this one is a kind of

955
00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:03,000
a political statement, ah, and,
but it's just a really cool

956
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:07,320
track, and I like the lyrics. I
just like the way it sits. I'm

957
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,460
actually working on a little bit
of a video for it, but, yeah,

958
00:51:11,460 --> 00:51:14,340
and this is the kind of thing
that I'm learning is like, you

959
00:51:14,340 --> 00:51:16,980
know, if you you're gonna do
this, you know, you kind of want

960
00:51:16,980 --> 00:51:20,540
to get involved. And I don't
have a videographer, so I gotta,

961
00:51:20,660 --> 00:51:23,540
kind of got to do the thing
myself. Yeah, we,

962
00:51:23,720 --> 00:51:26,180
we, you know, we had John
McTighe gone, yes. And he's

963
00:51:26,180 --> 00:51:28,940
great. You guys share up the
same publicist. Karen, yes. And

964
00:51:28,940 --> 00:51:30,920
I was like, who's your
publicist? Because she because,

965
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:32,900
I said, How's your how's the
press on the record? He goes,

966
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,240
Man, I got in the Wall Street
Journal. I said, Well, who's

967
00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:37,520
your publicist, by the way. And
he goes, Well, she kind of does

968
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:41,260
drummers, like she pitched me,
you She pitched me. Andy, P is

969
00:51:41,260 --> 00:51:44,020
like, Oh, my God, this is great.
If I ever do a solo record, I'm

970
00:51:44,020 --> 00:51:48,760
hiring Karen. So, so, um, you
know. And John put together

971
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:53,020
some, you know, some affordable
videos. But everyone is so

972
00:51:53,020 --> 00:51:55,660
visually oriented, this is a
smart thing to do, because then

973
00:51:55,660 --> 00:51:58,840
it exists forever on YouTube,
and then you could drive sales.

974
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,180
Or, yeah, you know. And

975
00:52:00,180 --> 00:52:03,240
you know, as far as sales go, I
know that there's not a lot of

976
00:52:03,240 --> 00:52:06,240
people buying records. That's
not the issue. The issue is, is

977
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:09,420
I'm doing this because it's so
damn fun. Yeah? I mean, it's

978
00:52:09,420 --> 00:52:13,080
gratifying when I get get an
idea. And over the years, you

979
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:17,040
know, I've written for a long
time, but I look back on the

980
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,040
history of it, and it's like
there was a lot of times where I

981
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,840
didn't finish a song before I
cut it. Yeah, you know, and I

982
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:29,960
didn't, maybe I didn't let the
lyrics dictate enough. Well,

983
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,660
what comes first? How do you
write guitar, piano? Is it a

984
00:52:32,660 --> 00:52:33,740
melody? Is it

985
00:52:33,740 --> 00:52:38,480
guitar or piano? But? But I
don't get there until I got

986
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:43,000
something lyrically that, yeah,
that is saying what I want to

987
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,360
say, yeah. And usually, you
know, in the past, you know,

988
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,000
maybe I come up with a nice,
clever little line or something.

989
00:52:49,180 --> 00:52:53,140
And not, not to throw shade at a
clever line, because a clever

990
00:52:53,140 --> 00:52:55,420
line is great. That could be the
impetus for the whole song. That

991
00:52:55,420 --> 00:52:58,420
could Yeah, and it has in the
past. But I've really gotten

992
00:52:58,420 --> 00:53:01,260
into this lately. And basically,
when I was working with Rodney,

993
00:53:01,260 --> 00:53:05,220
you know, he's he told he said
something to me that he keeps

994
00:53:05,220 --> 00:53:09,240
two notebooks. This is before
cell phones. This is before the

995
00:53:09,240 --> 00:53:12,060
internet, any of this stuff. So
two little leather bound books,

996
00:53:12,060 --> 00:53:15,660
yeah. And one, he would just
spew thoughts and just keep

997
00:53:15,660 --> 00:53:18,240
writing, writing, writing. And
then the other one he would take

998
00:53:18,300 --> 00:53:23,360
from what he's written and form,
you know, craft. And that's what

999
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,240
I've kind of been doing, and it
really has been working better

1000
00:53:26,240 --> 00:53:27,680
for me. I feel better about so

1001
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,960
now you got two little black
books, and your wife is like,

1002
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:30,560
what is this?

1003
00:53:32,540 --> 00:53:37,040
So it's great. Well, yes, that
is great. I mean, what that is

1004
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,540
on my to do list, you know? And
it just, it just goes to show

1005
00:53:40,540 --> 00:53:44,080
that, you know, you're, it's
never too late to put out a, you

1006
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:47,560
know, a creative project, you
know, because I want to, I kind

1007
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:51,760
of want to do a record where
it's mostly probably going to be

1008
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,820
no vocals. It'll be more like
instrumental, fusion light,

1009
00:53:54,820 --> 00:53:58,120
cool. It'll be kids instruments,
right? Fusion light, it's all,

1010
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,260
all professional musicians
playing on entry level

1011
00:54:01,260 --> 00:54:04,800
children's instruments really
well, yeah,

1012
00:54:05,100 --> 00:54:07,500
we got to replace the batteries
on them. Yeah.

1013
00:54:07,740 --> 00:54:12,060
So there's a drummer from the DC
area named Tim beary, yeah, and

1014
00:54:12,060 --> 00:54:15,720
he's now, I think he's in Ohio
now, but he does a similar

1015
00:54:15,720 --> 00:54:19,320
thing. He played with mahogany
mahogany rush when they were

1016
00:54:19,380 --> 00:54:23,480
out. And really good drummer and
people are doing that now. I

1017
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,100
think it's really cool. Yeah.

1018
00:54:25,220 --> 00:54:27,680
You know, the thing about
writers and stuff like that, I

1019
00:54:27,980 --> 00:54:30,860
don't know if this is an
offensive thing, maybe to me, it

1020
00:54:30,860 --> 00:54:35,360
is, they always have their radar
up. You know what? I mean?

1021
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,120
You're always listening. They're
always listening and observing.

1022
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,080
And if you drop the occasional
nugget of wisdom. There's like,

1023
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,120
Ooh, that's a good one. I'm
going to run with it. Yeah. And

1024
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,120
you get none of the money. Yeah,
they write a hit out of

1025
00:54:46,180 --> 00:54:49,060
it, right, right? Just like
observational comedians, they're

1026
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:50,980
always scribbling. They're
listening,

1027
00:54:50,980 --> 00:54:53,320
yeah? And it's like, you know,
it's one of these days when I

1028
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,260
get around songwriters and guys
like you that listen for

1029
00:54:56,260 --> 00:54:58,840
stories. I'm just going to set
you up with random stuff.

1030
00:54:59,020 --> 00:55:01,800
I will give you credit. Nice
word for a third, I promise you,

1031
00:55:01,860 --> 00:55:02,640
you know, I

1032
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:07,140
mean, the purpose of a lock is
to turn a door into a wall. Ah,

1033
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,220
is there a connection? I'm

1034
00:55:11,220 --> 00:55:13,980
struggling. I'm screwed down
right now. I mean, at age 30,

1035
00:55:13,980 --> 00:55:19,440
you've spent a month having
birthdays, write that down.

1036
00:55:19,980 --> 00:55:20,780
Write that down.

1037
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,780
Write that down. That's a good
idea. Get a run. Hey,

1038
00:55:23,780 --> 00:55:25,580
you know what I just saw on
Netflix.

1039
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,720
Conan O'Brien just got honored
with the Mark Twain award for

1040
00:55:29,720 --> 00:55:34,100
comedy. And it's, apparently
it's one of the last events that

1041
00:55:34,100 --> 00:55:36,800
they're going to have at the
Kennedy Center Honors, because I

1042
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,660
think it's getting shut down or
something. Don't even get

1043
00:55:40,660 --> 00:55:42,700
me started building a high rise
China.

1044
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:47,800
But anyways, the event is
unbelievable, and it was

1045
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:52,000
captured for all time, and I
watched it today, and it

1046
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:56,740
warrants another viewing. It
was, so what's it called? It's,

1047
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:00,660
well, I guess it's just a it's
the special of, you know, Conan

1048
00:56:00,660 --> 00:56:04,440
O'Brien receives the mark twain
cool award. And all the who's

1049
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,920
who of comedians, from Nikki
Glaser to Adam Sandler to John

1050
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:11,820
Mulaney are all roasting him in
a very polite way. That's not a

1051
00:56:11,820 --> 00:56:15,300
roast. Then it's, well, you
know, there it's more of like a

1052
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:20,340
comedic tribute. Yeah, it's

1053
00:56:20,340 --> 00:56:22,760
well done. So it's not really
labeled as a roast. It's not

1054
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,820
a roast. No, it's the Mark
Twain. I mean, it's very

1055
00:56:26,300 --> 00:56:28,400
prestigious. It's very
prestigious. Yes, it better be

1056
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,700
hybrid. Everyone is wearing the
Conan's Great. Yeah. He really

1057
00:56:31,700 --> 00:56:33,500
is very creative. He really
deserves it.

1058
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:37,280
You know what? I You're gonna
laugh at me. So I go to Vegas

1059
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,920
this past couple weeks for a
trade show. Yeah? And we have

1060
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,400
time to kill and we wanted to go
to the West Rim of the Grand

1061
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:46,180
Canyon. That didn't happen,
because it's like the Native

1062
00:56:46,180 --> 00:56:48,520
American mafia controls
everything out there, and you

1063
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,740
got to pay to hike to the edge
of the freaking Canyon. But I

1064
00:56:50,740 --> 00:56:55,360
digress, oh boy. So we went
back, like, let's go take the

1065
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:58,540
damn tour. I've been to the
Hoover Dam million times, and,

1066
00:56:58,540 --> 00:57:01,140
you know, we go there, and the
damn tour was shut down. Like

1067
00:57:01,140 --> 00:57:03,420
one of the again, a day like
today, where I'm having this

1068
00:57:03,420 --> 00:57:05,760
freaking Murphy's Law. It was
one of those freaking days where

1069
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,180
nothing was working out, but we,
we still had a good time. It

1070
00:57:09,180 --> 00:57:12,720
gets you thinking, I'm like, out
here on Buckner. They've been

1071
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:15,900
constructing this road and
renovating it, renovating it,

1072
00:57:15,900 --> 00:57:19,200
you know, whatever, modeling it,
yeah, for the past probably six,

1073
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:23,960
seven years. Wow. All right,
they got potholes on 65 they put

1074
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:27,800
the June Lake exit in, you know,
about a year ago, and opened it

1075
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:31,760
up and whatever. And that took
them years. The Hoover Dam was

1076
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,760
built in four flipping years. In
1931

1077
00:57:36,020 --> 00:57:38,660
we were more efficient, dude.
Well, OSHA

1078
00:57:38,660 --> 00:57:43,240
didn't exist. I mean, 97 people
died. So that's about two people

1079
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,720
a month. Imagine coming into
work and realizing you could

1080
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,900
potentially die building a well,
not only that, like, oh, you

1081
00:57:49,900 --> 00:57:53,140
hear about Charlie, oh, really,
yeah, you know, he fell, you

1082
00:57:53,140 --> 00:57:55,900
know? And it's like, oh, well,
that two weeks ago, yeah,

1083
00:57:55,900 --> 00:57:58,660
Johnny, you know, he fell in the
freaking he was buried in

1084
00:57:58,660 --> 00:57:59,140
cement,

1085
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,740
um, breaking bread on the giant
girder, right?

1086
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,660
We are a soft freaking
generation. This is so soft,

1087
00:58:09,660 --> 00:58:13,680
dude, but it's got me thinking
I'm like somebody at some point.

1088
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,380
I don't know why I'm going off
on this go in there, buddy, but

1089
00:58:16,380 --> 00:58:19,080
you know, you talked about that
you like you. It was, it merited

1090
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:22,760
another watch. Yeah, I'm getting
to the point. So I'm sitting

1091
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:26,360
there on the big bridge that
they built to bypass the dam

1092
00:58:26,780 --> 00:58:30,440
that was started back when I
lived there. Yeah, okay. Five

1093
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,960
years prior to them actually
putting a shovel to the ground,

1094
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,180
they were designing this thing,
yeah? And then it took them

1095
00:58:35,180 --> 00:58:39,500
another, I think, seven years to
finish. The bridge. Took over 10

1096
00:58:39,500 --> 00:58:43,000
years to build, yeah, the dam.
Okay, I'll reiterate, the dam

1097
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,780
took four flipping years to
build a marvel of engineering

1098
00:58:46,780 --> 00:58:50,320
and create the largest lake in
the United States. Yeah. Okay.

1099
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,880
So I'm like, I'm a big fan of
videos that show like animations

1100
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,880
and graphics and flyovers.
Wouldn't, shouldn't, you know,

1101
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,180
there's got to be something on
YouTube. So I go home, we get

1102
00:59:00,180 --> 00:59:02,820
back to the Airbnb, I pull up on
my phone, I'm like, you know,

1103
00:59:02,820 --> 00:59:05,700
there's got to be something out
there. Lo and behold, some dude

1104
00:59:05,700 --> 00:59:09,120
who actually does this on
YouTube how things work. He does

1105
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:12,000
like how jet engines work. He
does all the animations and

1106
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:17,040
cutaways and stuff like that. He
did a video six days prior. He

1107
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,560
uploaded it. It's got over a
million views on it already.

1108
00:59:19,620 --> 00:59:22,580
Nice how the Hoover Dam was
built and how it works. Oh, wow.

1109
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:28,160
It is freaking fascinating.
Nice. Because, oh, I

1110
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:31,100
mean, real of that project. But
I mean, bridges are a marvel.

1111
00:59:31,100 --> 00:59:33,800
When you, when you cross the
Golden Gate Bridge did, yeah,

1112
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:38,300
and you say to yourself, a man,
this man maintains this dude,

1113
00:59:38,780 --> 00:59:42,760
yeah, I get that. Yeah. This is,
let's block the Colorado here

1114
00:59:43,060 --> 00:59:47,260
and create a lake that's 700
feet deep. How do they Wow in

1115
00:59:47,260 --> 00:59:53,380
1931 Yeah, okay, there it was,
one guy's vision. One guy right

1116
00:59:53,380 --> 00:59:56,500
sat on top of the freaking Black
Canyon looking down. Okay, we're

1117
00:59:56,500 --> 00:59:59,920
gonna put a we're gonna blink
river. You know, you know guy.

1118
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,720
Nice. Okay, right about here,
yes. Well, let's look at the

1119
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:07,920
plans. Right about I need you to
build a 50 foot diameter. Need

1120
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:11,640
two of them. Want two on each
side, because we're to divert

1121
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:15,840
this entire flipping river 50
foot diameter tunnel. I need you

1122
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:19,380
to go a quarter mile up north,
and all these guys. You go, you

1123
01:00:19,380 --> 01:00:21,980
imagine the guys go. You want us
to do what? Yeah,

1124
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:23,780
yeah, there's catering, right,
right.

1125
01:00:26,660 --> 01:00:28,100
There's catering, right. Can I
get some

1126
01:00:28,100 --> 01:00:32,060
more sun tan oil or, you know,
sun lotion? I mean, Wow, dude,

1127
01:00:32,060 --> 01:00:35,300
it's like, it blew my mind. Hey,
do you think about a project

1128
01:00:35,300 --> 01:00:38,780
like that? It's monstrous. Yeah,
big deal. You know, I don't know

1129
01:00:38,780 --> 01:00:42,160
that's so, basically, that video
is something I've been urging my

1130
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,260
wife. I'm like, you should
really check this out. Yeah? And

1131
01:00:44,260 --> 01:00:45,340
she's like, No, maybe

1132
01:00:45,340 --> 01:00:47,200
I'll check it out too. Yeah, I
don't know if I'll watch the

1133
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,120
whole thing. It sucks you

1134
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:52,300
in. This guy does a great job.
Yeah, yeah. What

1135
01:00:52,300 --> 01:00:56,020
do you have any interests?
Because Jim, Jim loves these How

1136
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:59,380
To videos. So you're a great
chef. You're, I mean, you're,

1137
01:00:59,620 --> 01:01:01,920
I've seen videos of you cooking.
I cook. So do you all the

1138
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:03,600
cooking in your family? I do

1139
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:07,200
most of the cooking. Yeah, yeah.
So scratch you had a great as

1140
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:08,940
much as I can pasta, Azul

1141
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:12,960
is, is in my family. And then, I
don't know if you My mom calls

1142
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:15,600
it depression food, because my
she learned all she got all her

1143
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:19,020
recipes from my grandmother, who
survived the depression him. You

1144
01:01:19,020 --> 01:01:21,260
know, I did a paper and I did a
paper in high school. I

1145
01:01:21,260 --> 01:01:23,660
interviewed my grandparents, and
my grandmother would be like,

1146
01:01:23,660 --> 01:01:28,040
Oh, we used to capture the
pigeons and we'd fry them up in

1147
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:31,460
olive oil. And I'd be like, and
I'd be like, Wow, because I mean

1148
01:01:31,460 --> 01:01:33,080
they, I mean that it was
depression,

1149
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:36,200
that was, that was a freaking,
just a that was the same

1150
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:39,260
generation, yeah, they built the
Hoover Dam. That's the same

1151
01:01:39,260 --> 01:01:43,000
generation. They're hard. Just
like, really, you need freaking

1152
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,580
safe spaces and mental health
issues. Oh,

1153
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:49,780
don't get me started on my
Belmont story. But the you know,

1154
01:01:49,780 --> 01:01:52,840
and so another one of the
Depression dishes is lentils

1155
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:55,480
with pepperoni. I forget what
she calls it, but it's like a

1156
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:58,900
nice lentil dish, pasta, Fauci,
except with lentils. With

1157
01:01:58,900 --> 01:02:02,880
lentils. Yeah. Do you have a
special season? Is there

1158
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,580
something that your your wife is
like, hey, we haven't had such

1159
01:02:05,580 --> 01:02:07,080
and such in a while. There's
probably

1160
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:10,620
a handful, yeah? But, you know,
I'm a gardener too, so I just

1161
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:13,980
put it on, well, yeah, because I
want to use on the earth, I want

1162
01:02:13,980 --> 01:02:18,000
to do God intended, yeah. So I
get the tomatoes and the peppers

1163
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:22,160
and eggplant, gosh, parmesan,
you know, yeah,

1164
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:25,340
when are we coming over? Yeah,
exactly. I would, I would like

1165
01:02:25,340 --> 01:02:27,860
that. That sounds so
tantalizing. Yeah, it really

1166
01:02:27,860 --> 01:02:28,160
does.

1167
01:02:28,220 --> 01:02:30,440
Yeah. Well, I mean, you know,
and then we got a sub freezer,

1168
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,980
so the one the tomatoes are
coming in, I mean, it's, it's

1169
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:37,160
inundated, yeah, and I got
pictures, but you don't want to

1170
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:39,500
see them, so it's, you got a
freezer in the garage, basement,

1171
01:02:39,500 --> 01:02:42,100
yeah, it's done in the basement,
so that when we make either

1172
01:02:42,460 --> 01:02:46,060
sauce, I put it in there, you
know, we have a dinner sauce, or

1173
01:02:46,060 --> 01:02:49,480
is it gravy? Well, it, for me,
it's sauce, but I got a bunch of

1174
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:51,700
goons in the manger group.

1175
01:02:51,700 --> 01:02:55,660
We've never called it gravy. My
family, it's always sauce. So I

1176
01:02:55,660 --> 01:02:56,080
think in

1177
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:58,960
Jersey there is a contingent
they call it gravy,

1178
01:02:59,140 --> 01:03:01,920
yeah, like the scene from
Goodfellas when they're in

1179
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:06,780
prison, and the slicing the
garlic with a razor blade. You

1180
01:03:06,780 --> 01:03:08,820
know what? I mean, that stuff
actually start

1181
01:03:08,820 --> 01:03:13,200
a walk. My mouth is water.
Garlic keeps you I mean, garlic

1182
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,860
is a super, super it is a real
deal. Yeah. I mean, you know,

1183
01:03:16,860 --> 01:03:17,100
well,

1184
01:03:17,100 --> 01:03:18,960
look at the way my wife makes
bread.

1185
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:21,860
Oh yeah, his wife makes some
serious sourdough. Before the

1186
01:03:21,860 --> 01:03:25,820
Panda, before the popularity of
the pandemic, made sourdough a

1187
01:03:25,820 --> 01:03:27,620
thing. Wow, she was always doing
it.

1188
01:03:27,620 --> 01:03:30,080
Oh, she could make Italian bread
like nobody's business. Yeah,

1189
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:33,260
that's really something, you
know? I mean, because a good

1190
01:03:33,260 --> 01:03:35,960
Italian loaf, it's hard to find
here, I'll be honest with you,

1191
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:39,740
there's a Costco Italian loaf
that's pretty darn nice. The

1192
01:03:39,740 --> 01:03:42,820
freaking pizza at Costco is
pretty it's not bad, right? Not

1193
01:03:42,820 --> 01:03:45,520
bad. I'm with you. Okay, so
you've been here since the early

1194
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:50,320
90s. You came from Washington,
so you gotta you're in definite

1195
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:53,020
proximity of good pizza up
there, especially around that

1196
01:03:53,020 --> 01:03:57,100
time, yeah, coming down here,
you must have been like, Oh no,

1197
01:03:57,100 --> 01:03:57,640
going on. Well,

1198
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:01,020
yeah. But, I mean, even in DC, I
knew that, you know, well,

1199
01:04:01,020 --> 01:04:04,620
there's never a big restaurant I
go right restaurants, because I

1200
01:04:04,620 --> 01:04:08,100
think my parents were kind of
reluctant to do that, or my mom

1201
01:04:08,100 --> 01:04:12,000
in particular. But if we had,
you know, a couple places where

1202
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:15,120
we could get a good loaf, cheap
loaf, in DC, we would do that.

1203
01:04:15,540 --> 01:04:18,960
And so I'm always looking for
that. There's a, there is a

1204
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:23,720
couple of, there are a couple of
items that I do go to get

1205
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:27,860
locally. Yeah. One is a
extremely aged provolone. It's

1206
01:04:27,860 --> 01:04:31,820
called stravacchia. And then you
can get that at Coco's market on

1207
01:04:31,820 --> 01:04:38,240
51st Okay, um, other things, you
know, a lot less so online. I

1208
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:40,420
gotta say that a couple things I
get online.

1209
01:04:40,660 --> 01:04:43,720
Have you? Has the food improved
here over the years? It

1210
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:47,980
has, but it also with that, it's
been about a bunch of restaurant

1211
01:04:47,980 --> 01:04:52,480
tours from California and the
like that come here, and they're

1212
01:04:52,540 --> 01:04:56,320
recreating the California thing
here in Nashville. So it is

1213
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:58,600
upscale. You're paying a lot
more,

1214
01:04:58,660 --> 01:05:01,080
yeah, for a lot less. Food,
yeah,

1215
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:03,120
yeah, but it's good. No, don't
get me wrong. It's

1216
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,820
good. Some Italian restaurants
are popping up. What's the one

1217
01:05:05,820 --> 01:05:08,760
of the moment that everyone's
going to I forget what people

1218
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:10,980
are, four seasons number you
should have Amerigo.

1219
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,000
Olive Garden, yeah? Olive
Garden.

1220
01:05:15,660 --> 01:05:19,860
Endless breadsticks. And then
are you pairing your meals with

1221
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:22,340
with whites and red, you know?
Sure.

1222
01:05:22,460 --> 01:05:24,860
Okay, well, my wife doesn't
really indulge that much, but

1223
01:05:24,860 --> 01:05:26,360
I'm doing it on my end, yeah,

1224
01:05:26,780 --> 01:05:30,740
I Yeah. I take care of it on my
end. Yeah. I drink for two.

1225
01:05:33,740 --> 01:05:35,300
When you drink a good wine,
it's,

1226
01:05:35,300 --> 01:05:37,880
it's incredible, and with the
right meal, yeah, we shared a

1227
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:41,440
nice bottle the other night. It
was nice. What did you have? We

1228
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:46,060
had Cabernet. Was cab. Yeah, it
was a cab, cab with our steaks.

1229
01:05:46,300 --> 01:05:50,140
What was your cab? Do you
remember the brand and the freak

1230
01:05:50,140 --> 01:05:50,500
show?

1231
01:05:50,500 --> 01:05:53,080
Something like, oh, it was like,
it was somebody's name, like,

1232
01:05:53,080 --> 01:06:00,540
Josie or Oh, not Jose. It was
like, it was, gosh, I didn't pay

1233
01:06:00,540 --> 01:06:01,860
attention. You

1234
01:06:01,860 --> 01:06:05,340
know what? The ginzos educated
me really quickly, because,

1235
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:08,820
because the first time I went,
everyone's encouraged, of

1236
01:06:08,820 --> 01:06:11,280
course, to bring two bottles,
and they'll say, we're going

1237
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:13,560
with white tonight because we're
having fish, or we'll have we're

1238
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:16,920
going with red tonight, because,
you know? So I bring a lot of

1239
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:22,640
times I will buy bottles of wine
pre ginzo education, based on

1240
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:27,500
the title and the label, like,
if it's this cute label. So this

1241
01:06:27,500 --> 01:06:31,580
goes down in infamy with the
group. There was a label called

1242
01:06:31,580 --> 01:06:34,460
tattoo girl, and it was just
kind of like this hot girl,

1243
01:06:34,460 --> 01:06:37,640
yeah, man, you know, like on the
side of a bomber B, 52 bomber

1244
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:40,180
with all the tattoos. I'm like,
that looks like a great wine.

1245
01:06:40,180 --> 01:06:44,020
And it was like 1199 like,
perfect price. So I show up with

1246
01:06:44,020 --> 01:06:46,660
a like, and then maybe, like, a
freak show type thing, and

1247
01:06:46,660 --> 01:06:50,080
they're like, red nose, and they
did, the bottles just sat there

1248
01:06:50,620 --> 01:06:54,220
the whole night. And then I
realized, when my friend pulls

1249
01:06:54,220 --> 01:06:56,080
me over, he goes, Man, you got
to go with the bees, the

1250
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:59,500
barolas, the bares. Goes, you
got to go with A, B, right? So

1251
01:06:59,500 --> 01:07:02,040
then I got to go, then I got to
go to Total Wine, or I got to go

1252
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:06,960
to red. Or what's the one on
Murphy road there, West End and

1253
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:07,680
Murphy road, it's

1254
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:09,960
like a high end. I know which
one you mean. I don't know the

1255
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:10,320
name of

1256
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:13,260
I forget, because this is
happening to me.

1257
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:19,020
I did take my gingko Balboa. I
forgot to take my gingko Balboa

1258
01:07:19,020 --> 01:07:22,160
today. But anyways, I got, I
learned really quick. You know,

1259
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:25,880
you got to buy, like, a nice $30
bottle of wine, you know what I

1260
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:27,560
mean. So there's

1261
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:32,540
a good songwriter, Joe scotella,
yeah, and he works in the wine

1262
01:07:32,540 --> 01:07:36,980
industry too, and he's, he's
pretty good at finding good wine

1263
01:07:37,220 --> 01:07:39,920
that ain't expensive. Yeah, it's
nice. So you don't have to get

1264
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:43,780
that 30 but it takes a lot of
trial and error. Yeah, you know,

1265
01:07:43,780 --> 01:07:47,740
something that is so kind of
sweet or, or doesn't have enough

1266
01:07:47,740 --> 01:07:52,540
acid in it, it just, it becomes
what they call insipid, yeah,

1267
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:55,660
and, and, you know, you'll find
out, because you don't want a

1268
01:07:55,660 --> 01:07:58,900
second glass of it, yeah,
that's, well, they don't even

1269
01:07:58,900 --> 01:07:59,860
open these bottles.

1270
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:04,020
They're still there. They're
sitting. What's your go to pizza

1271
01:08:04,020 --> 01:08:07,140
place? You're, I make my own
piece. You make your own. I

1272
01:08:07,140 --> 01:08:09,060
don't, but if you had, if I had
to,

1273
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:15,300
who's the one that we have gone
to recently? Well, the Costco

1274
01:08:15,300 --> 01:08:21,440
pizza is not bad. It's not, not
horrible. Um, I can't, I'm not

1275
01:08:21,440 --> 01:08:25,820
going to say because, I mean, I
have delved into jet when I was

1276
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:29,240
right, right? But I don't really
call that a good pizza.

1277
01:08:29,299 --> 01:08:32,659
It's quick. It's, yeah, Detroit
style, yeah, Detroit style. I

1278
01:08:32,659 --> 01:08:34,999
mean, we give a lot of money to
sell those here in Spring Hill,

1279
01:08:34,999 --> 01:08:35,779
yeah, Spring Hill

1280
01:08:35,780 --> 01:08:39,080
starting to get some
competition. We've got, you

1281
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:40,900
know, if you ever heard of
Joey's house, yes,

1282
01:08:40,900 --> 01:08:44,920
and I have liked it, and it is,
but it's kind of gone. They're

1283
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:48,220
not there anymore. That's the
reason they're they're out in

1284
01:08:48,220 --> 01:08:51,520
Murfreesboro. They've got a an
event space, and I can never

1285
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:52,960
remember macabella or

1286
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:57,639
Bella something at Riverside,
forgive me, oh,

1287
01:08:57,640 --> 01:09:01,500
Bella Napoli, something like the
monopoly. It's, it's it. I know

1288
01:09:01,500 --> 01:09:03,600
where it isn't. It's not

1289
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:06,120
a restaurant. It's an event
space where they actually do

1290
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:09,240
catering. Oh, Joey's house of
pizza catering, Joey and the

1291
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:12,120
maca family will do it, but
they're from stat. They're from

1292
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:15,480
Brooklyn, I want to say, yeah.
And I had them on my other pot,

1293
01:09:15,480 --> 01:09:18,840
my own podcast, and we had a
great conversation, because you

1294
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:21,680
went there for the food and the
fights, the entertainment,

1295
01:09:22,220 --> 01:09:25,340
because they were only open for
lunch and dinner, and I think at

1296
01:09:25,340 --> 01:09:28,040
some point they stopped colorful
experience. Yeah. I mean, the

1297
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:31,220
mother would be out there, and
the sister was, like, Maca is

1298
01:09:31,220 --> 01:09:35,000
her name is running around like
a ping pong ball, and just, you

1299
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:37,580
know, getting people's orders,
grabbing pies, doing this, you

1300
01:09:37,580 --> 01:09:41,620
know, handing order. She's just
on on, vibrating on a different

1301
01:09:41,620 --> 01:09:43,780
level. Yeah, right. I mean,
while the mother is taking other

1302
01:09:43,780 --> 01:09:47,620
people's orders, she's a
sweetheart crescenza. And you

1303
01:09:47,620 --> 01:09:51,820
know, Joey's the only one who
could make the pizza. So you'd

1304
01:09:51,820 --> 01:09:54,400
be like, coming and be like, go
and get this thing over here.

1305
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:56,860
What'd you get there? Hey,
honey, how are you What do you

1306
01:09:56,860 --> 01:09:59,920
love? That's good, Jim. Yeah,
nice kid. Saturday, wisely.

1307
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:04,080
Early, just thank you. It was,
it was like that. Now, Sal's,

1308
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:07,320
yeah, Nellies is the daughter,
not Sal's has nothing to do with

1309
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:09,900
this. Nellies is the daughter of
Joey. Okay,

1310
01:10:10,140 --> 01:10:12,780
yeah. And everyone keeps
mentioning Vikings pizza. Here

1311
01:10:12,780 --> 01:10:13,800
Vikings, good, yeah.

1312
01:10:15,060 --> 01:10:18,300
He makes his own. Well, I make
my own. But I mean, if I had to

1313
01:10:18,300 --> 01:10:21,560
go out, I'd go out and I'd be
happy with what I get about it.

1314
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:21,920
So I would

1315
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:26,840
usually ask you the Fast Five,
which would usually include your

1316
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:29,420
favorite color, your favorite
food, your favorite drink. But

1317
01:10:29,420 --> 01:10:32,120
we're not going to do it because
I know your favorite food and

1318
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:34,760
your favorite drink is so Jim
has probably got to have some

1319
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:36,440
interesting questions. What are
we calling

1320
01:10:36,440 --> 01:10:38,240
them down? We're calling it the
deep five.

1321
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:41,320
All right, I'm gonna get down
deep. Forget

1322
01:10:42,100 --> 01:10:43,360
some music for it. Here we go.

1323
01:10:44,440 --> 01:10:47,560
What are you currently worried
about?

1324
01:10:50,020 --> 01:10:50,980
Getting out of here,

1325
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:54,760
getting out, getting some good
Italian food.

1326
01:10:55,900 --> 01:10:58,660
That's not a problem. Yeah,
never has been. No

1327
01:10:58,660 --> 01:11:01,020
worries. No worries at all.

1328
01:11:01,380 --> 01:11:04,320
Oh, no worries. What are you
currently worried about? It was

1329
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:10,680
really nice working at the
Union, and when I stepped down,

1330
01:11:11,820 --> 01:11:15,360
I've kind of let go of all my
worries. There you go. Kind of,

1331
01:11:15,480 --> 01:11:16,800
yeah, what

1332
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:18,840
a great season of life. No, I'm

1333
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:23,060
actually, what I just said is,
it's for real, yeah, and I'm not

1334
01:11:23,060 --> 01:11:25,940
worrying much. You know, I worry
about my wife's health. I worry

1335
01:11:25,940 --> 01:11:28,880
about my health. Health is a big
deal. If you don't have health,

1336
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:32,660
you'd be so other than that, I'm
having a good time. What's

1337
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:35,360
more, the unusual places that
you've been

1338
01:11:36,500 --> 01:11:38,060
unusual places

1339
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:40,840
all the years of touring, well,
all user

1340
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:45,340
touring Australia, China, you
know, looking back on our China

1341
01:11:45,340 --> 01:11:48,700
trip with Felix, you know, I, I
don't know if it would even be

1342
01:11:48,700 --> 01:11:51,760
the same, especially with this
haircut, because they were

1343
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:57,520
really intrigued because of the
Boxer Rebellion. Yeah, you know,

1344
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:00,400
they'd see me in the elevator,
and they'd be pointing at me and

1345
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:03,000
giggling and stuff like that.
And I didn't know why, but then

1346
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:05,940
I figured it out, yeah, Felix
and I both figured it out that

1347
01:12:05,940 --> 01:12:11,760
it was because they the people
that had these style hairdos. It

1348
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:14,220
had to do with the Boxer
Rebellion, and then that was

1349
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:17,400
ended, right? So they hadn't
seen this for a while, yeah?

1350
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:20,420
So, yeah, guys, Vince, if you're
not watching, this has a It's

1351
01:12:20,420 --> 01:12:22,700
interesting. It's like a man
bun.

1352
01:12:23,540 --> 01:12:25,100
It's not a man bun, but it's,

1353
01:12:25,340 --> 01:12:30,020
it's just, it's, it's a
diminishing circle of hair, that

1354
01:12:30,020 --> 01:12:31,160
is, right?

1355
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:33,920
It points, it's backwards. It's
a cool style. It's

1356
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:37,160
so unique, right? Yeah, we'll do
one

1357
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:41,440
more. What inanimate object
would be the most annoying if it

1358
01:12:41,440 --> 01:12:43,900
played loud, upbeat music while
being used.

1359
01:12:45,340 --> 01:12:48,940
Well, probably the elevator. Oh,

1360
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:52,480
that's the one I was pretty deep
with the Muzak, you know? Oh

1361
01:12:52,480 --> 01:12:56,320
yeah, that's a little Girl from
Ipanema arranged for flute and

1362
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:56,740
vibes.

1363
01:12:57,820 --> 01:12:58,540
That was deep

1364
01:13:00,220 --> 01:13:03,660
questions. Not bad. Well, hell,
I'll ask you this one, just

1365
01:13:03,660 --> 01:13:08,700
because it's going to get under
Jim's, what's your favorite

1366
01:13:08,700 --> 01:13:13,080
color? And if you're serious,
it's green. I hope it's not

1367
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:16,860
blue, it's green. We get a lot.
Hey, yeah, yeah. Well,

1368
01:13:16,860 --> 01:13:19,740
I would say the other one is,
what's your favorite song of the

1369
01:13:19,740 --> 01:13:23,600
moment? Like, not of all time,
not an island, desert island

1370
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:26,480
song, but at the moment, what's,
what's inspiring you?

1371
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:34,100
Okay, I'll tell you. It's Jimmy
Hendrix, really anger. She

1372
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:35,000
smile.

1373
01:13:37,580 --> 01:13:39,740
Go. Not golden rose. It's my

1374
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:45,940
shining, metallic purple armor.
Queen jealousy, empty envy waits

1375
01:13:45,940 --> 01:13:49,480
behind him or her. Finally,
green ground. Here's at the

1376
01:13:49,480 --> 01:13:52,840
grassy grounds. Blue are the
lights with life giving waters

1377
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:56,620
taken for granted. They quietly
understand once happy. Turquoise

1378
01:13:56,620 --> 01:13:59,860
armies lay opposite ready. They
wonder why the fight is. Bold as

1379
01:13:59,860 --> 01:14:00,180
Love,

1380
01:14:00,780 --> 01:14:02,520
access. Bold as Love. Bold as
low.

1381
01:14:02,580 --> 01:14:04,920
I love your process of
elimination. Had to get there.

1382
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:05,640
Yeah, you know,

1383
01:14:05,820 --> 01:14:08,640
that's like, that's when someone
asks your social security

1384
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:10,620
number. I have to say the whole
thing to get the last four

1385
01:14:10,620 --> 01:14:12,120
numbers. Well,

1386
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:12,600
it's like,

1387
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:16,740
I don't know how I had to do
this. For some reason, like,

1388
01:14:16,740 --> 01:14:19,260
somebody asked me a question,
and I would have to recite the

1389
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:23,300
alphabet to get, like, it was
weird. I remember the question

1390
01:14:23,300 --> 01:14:23,900
would be, but

1391
01:14:23,900 --> 01:14:26,420
it was like, I could back the F,
Wow,

1392
01:14:27,020 --> 01:14:30,860
can you there's no way I could
do the the back alphabet away.

1393
01:14:31,100 --> 01:14:32,540
Yeah, right. Do

1394
01:14:32,780 --> 01:14:37,460
you spell race car backwards?
You can

1395
01:14:38,660 --> 01:14:43,300
R, A, C, E, E, C, A, R,

1396
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:45,820
why was that so tough? Because
it's the same way forwards.

1397
01:14:47,440 --> 01:14:48,760
Oh, wow.

1398
01:14:50,020 --> 01:14:53,140
Otto, cool, Jim, you're pretty
smart for drummer,

1399
01:14:54,100 --> 01:14:56,500
you know, because of what's in
this cup. Yeah,

1400
01:14:57,160 --> 01:15:00,540
you know, I think is great.
Vince, is that I. Can't Believe

1401
01:15:00,540 --> 01:15:04,080
It's taken us 28 years to get
social. But you know, we have a

1402
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:07,920
mutual friend with Dave Goodwin,
and he, you know, he was

1403
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:13,320
romantic and producing a gal
named von Penn back in 1998 and

1404
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:16,560
we ended up, I think you did
some recording with her. I ended

1405
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:20,040
up doing some recording over at
Paul ebersoldt house in Memphis,

1406
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:24,740
the producer. But for the most
part, I had to learn your drum

1407
01:15:24,740 --> 01:15:27,860
parts, and it's like a rite of
passage. When you first moved to

1408
01:15:27,860 --> 01:15:32,960
Nashville, you spend a lot of
time being given cassettes, CDs,

1409
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:36,740
and of course, now MP threes and
Spotify links. Learn this. Learn

1410
01:15:36,740 --> 01:15:40,600
it no for note kid, you know.
And so I just, I was always a

1411
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:43,780
fan of your drumming, and now
I'm a fan of you cool, man.

1412
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:46,960
Great. Thank you. Thank you for
being here. And if kids want to

1413
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:50,200
get in touch with you, got a
Vincent toro.com right? Yeah.

1414
01:15:50,440 --> 01:15:53,320
So, and then, Are you active on
the socials? Or I'm

1415
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:57,100
going to be a little more active
than I normally am, but you

1416
01:15:57,100 --> 01:16:01,320
know, I'm going to reach out to
stuff on Facebook, through

1417
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:07,380
Facebook, blue sky, Instagram,
yeah, you know, I'm gonna try

1418
01:16:07,380 --> 01:16:10,440
and do, do some little videos,
nothing elaborate. Well, you

1419
01:16:10,440 --> 01:16:10,620
could

1420
01:16:10,620 --> 01:16:14,520
probably make the rounds and do
like, you know, today in

1421
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:19,560
Nashville and the local, you
know, morning shows to promote

1422
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:20,600
your new record.

1423
01:16:21,860 --> 01:16:25,160
Comes out. Yeah, grab that old
footage of you doing your your

1424
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:26,720
rap story. I

1425
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:30,140
have a couple clips, and
they're, they're on my Vince

1426
01:16:30,140 --> 01:16:35,480
santoro.com site, right? Just
kind of let people know that

1427
01:16:35,480 --> 01:16:38,180
that's not a dead thing, that
that's still out there.

1428
01:16:38,180 --> 01:16:41,260
But I think if you pop, if you
fed that into your Facebook and

1429
01:16:41,260 --> 01:16:44,860
Instagram feed, tick tock. It
would give it tons of new life.

1430
01:16:44,860 --> 01:16:46,720
Yeah, cool. And then you'd be
booked all the time. You're

1431
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:49,420
like, God, I got this one man
show thing again. I got to do

1432
01:16:49,420 --> 01:16:51,700
three times a week. Thanks a
lot, guys. Yeah, well, not

1433
01:16:51,700 --> 01:16:53,980
only that, it could be, it
could, know, you another vehicle

1434
01:16:53,980 --> 01:16:55,600
to sell the album. Well, that's,
that's what I

1435
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:57,760
was hoping, is I'm gonna put all
these things out. You know,

1436
01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:00,600
there was another record that I
did with a billy Livesey. Do you

1437
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:03,180
know Billy? Okay, and it's
called Little Vinny. And this

1438
01:17:03,180 --> 01:17:06,900
was the one that was mostly I
was just playing drums on a

1439
01:17:06,900 --> 01:17:13,800
session. He and Tia sillers, Tia
sellers, yeah, a lyricist, yeah.

1440
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:17,580
They had written a bunch of
songs, and after I played drums

1441
01:17:17,580 --> 01:17:20,540
on all these tracks, he said,
Why don't we do a record where

1442
01:17:20,540 --> 01:17:24,380
you sing all the songs. So we
did that. So that little Vinny

1443
01:17:24,380 --> 01:17:27,020
thing is also going to be on my
site. So, you know, they all

1444
01:17:27,020 --> 01:17:29,300
kind of help each other, I
guess, yeah, to some degree,

1445
01:17:29,300 --> 01:17:30,140
that's fantastic.

1446
01:17:30,140 --> 01:17:34,220
And then people can check out,
I'm sure it's rat rascals or

1447
01:17:34,220 --> 01:17:37,460
Felix have larry.com look for
the look for a tour dates. And

1448
01:17:37,460 --> 01:17:41,500
they can see you, yeah, 40 times
this year, somewhere in this on

1449
01:17:41,500 --> 01:17:44,620
this globe of ours. And Jim, I
appreciate all your time and

1450
01:17:44,620 --> 01:17:47,200
talent. You're welcome. That was
super, super fun.

1451
01:17:47,860 --> 01:17:49,600
I deserve it. Yes, you do. He

1452
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:53,080
does. He works hard. He really,
really does great job. Vince,

1453
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:55,600
thanks for stopping by. You bet.
Man. Really do appreciate it.

1454
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:57,820
And hey to all the listeners, we
really appreciate you. Hey,

1455
01:17:57,820 --> 01:18:00,180
we're probably at this time,
we're probably going to have

1456
01:18:00,180 --> 01:18:03,180
merch. When this drops, I keep
promising we're gonna have

1457
01:18:03,180 --> 01:18:06,660
hoodies and coffee mugs and all
the stuff. So be sure to

1458
01:18:06,660 --> 01:18:09,480
subscribe, share, rate and
review. It helps people find the

1459
01:18:09,480 --> 01:18:13,080
show we appreciate. We'll see
you next time. Thanks. Vince,

1460
01:18:13,140 --> 01:18:13,680
thanks, Jim,

1461
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:18,420
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1462
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