WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.269 --> 00:00:02.459 Alan: Hey, you have a new background. 00:00:02.890 --> 00:00:05.050 Mario: Yeah, same area. 00:00:05.050 --> 00:00:05.710 It's just a 00:00:05.710 --> 00:00:07.390 different position of my camera. 00:00:08.269 --> 00:00:08.630 Alan: I see. 00:00:09.139 --> 00:00:10.159 It makes you look like you're. 00:00:10.209 --> 00:00:10.420 Yeah. 00:00:10.430 --> 00:00:11.110 you've moved. 00:00:11.810 --> 00:00:12.110 Mario: Yeah. 00:00:12.110 --> 00:00:12.469 Right. 00:00:13.520 --> 00:00:14.990 Different surroundings. 00:00:15.650 --> 00:00:16.790 No, it's same area. 00:00:16.790 --> 00:00:18.740 I just have a different setup. 00:00:18.990 --> 00:00:20.080 Cause I have now, 00:00:20.580 --> 00:00:21.355 a different work 00:00:21.385 --> 00:00:23.275 computer and then my computer. 00:00:24.025 --> 00:00:27.115 And so I had to move stuff around and, 00:00:27.115 --> 00:00:29.275 This is the best I was able to set it up. 00:00:29.935 --> 00:00:31.915 So I have my laptop in the center. 00:00:31.915 --> 00:00:34.005 So now it's just like a plain boring wall 00:00:34.005 --> 00:00:34.185 in the 00:00:34.185 --> 00:00:34.665 back. 00:00:36.265 --> 00:00:36.565 Alan: No. 00:00:36.655 --> 00:00:37.705 It's yeah, 00:00:37.705 --> 00:00:41.255 you'd need to, it's like a was it John Oliver, like when 00:00:41.255 --> 00:00:42.145 the void there that, right. 00:00:42.165 --> 00:00:43.445 You just in void room. 00:00:43.945 --> 00:00:49.386 Mario: Yeah, my plan is to put up some, some of those, sound absorbing, you know, 00:00:49.606 --> 00:00:49.826 Alan: Yeah. 00:00:49.826 --> 00:00:50.526 foam things. 00:00:50.796 --> 00:00:51.156 Mario: Yeah. 00:00:51.682 --> 00:00:54.907 I'm going to put some of that because I can still hear a little 00:00:54.907 --> 00:00:55.777 bit of echo 00:00:56.097 --> 00:00:56.637 Alan: A little bit. 00:00:57.307 --> 00:00:58.237 Mario: On my recordings. 00:00:58.237 --> 00:00:58.657 So. 00:00:59.682 --> 00:01:01.062 Alan: I say, I, I really 00:01:01.112 --> 00:01:05.532 I, I mentioned before, but you know, when I listened to the audio and doing the edit 00:01:05.532 --> 00:01:09.522 and things, this I'm really impressed with this little microphone 00:01:10.017 --> 00:01:10.797 Mario: Yeah, it's true. 00:01:11.412 --> 00:01:12.702 Alan: considering this room. 00:01:12.852 --> 00:01:14.142 I say I've I've got a fan 00:01:14.142 --> 00:01:15.372 on all the time 00:01:15.372 --> 00:01:16.902 because it's like baking here. 00:01:17.232 --> 00:01:20.272 And the in front of me is the there's a road, there's 00:01:20.272 --> 00:01:22.042 a main road and this constant 00:01:22.042 --> 00:01:22.402 traffic 00:01:22.402 --> 00:01:22.702 noise. 00:01:22.992 --> 00:01:25.262 And it can just can't hear it on this. 00:01:25.262 --> 00:01:27.342 So whatever it's doing, it's doing a good job of it. 00:01:27.342 --> 00:01:27.492 So 00:01:27.877 --> 00:01:28.297 Mario: Yeah. 00:01:28.357 --> 00:01:29.497 Is that, is that a Blue? 00:01:29.497 --> 00:01:30.227 A Blue microphone? 00:01:30.227 --> 00:01:32.022 Alan: Yes, it's a blue snowball. 00:01:32.172 --> 00:01:32.412 Hmm. 00:01:33.317 --> 00:01:33.707 Mario: Yeah. 00:01:33.737 --> 00:01:34.187 Nice. 00:01:34.392 --> 00:01:35.262 Alan: Yeah, it's a 00:01:35.957 --> 00:01:37.697 Mario: Yeah, this one is the Rode 00:01:37.823 --> 00:01:38.633 Podcaster. 00:01:38.633 --> 00:01:40.373 it's a pretty good microphone, but. 00:01:40.468 --> 00:01:42.778 Alan: It's kind of like the recommended by everybody one, right? 00:01:42.778 --> 00:01:42.838 Yeah. 00:01:43.288 --> 00:01:43.678 Mario: Yeah. 00:01:43.678 --> 00:01:45.978 It's like a beginner, podcasting mic, 00:01:45.978 --> 00:01:46.258 Mike 00:01:46.348 --> 00:01:46.578 Alan: this, 00:01:46.905 --> 00:01:47.782 Mario: it's pretty good. 00:01:47.782 --> 00:01:49.744 but I think the echo really 00:01:49.744 --> 00:01:50.494 comes from 00:01:50.639 --> 00:01:51.479 Alan: yeah, I think it's your room 00:01:51.484 --> 00:01:53.074 Mario: room that I'm in is not, it 00:01:53.074 --> 00:01:54.274 doesn't have too much 00:01:54.274 --> 00:01:54.754 stuff. 00:01:54.754 --> 00:01:56.514 and especially this back wall here 00:01:56.514 --> 00:01:58.014 is completely empty, so 00:01:58.209 --> 00:01:59.289 Alan: Nice reflections. 00:01:59.334 --> 00:01:59.664 Mario: it's. 00:01:59.664 --> 00:02:00.114 Yeah. 00:02:00.114 --> 00:02:00.264 I 00:02:00.264 --> 00:02:02.890 need to add some of those foams. 00:02:03.980 --> 00:02:06.045 Alan: I don't know if it makes a difference, but so this room, 00:02:06.145 --> 00:02:07.885 Obviously we're in a Japanese apartment. 00:02:08.245 --> 00:02:10.535 I claimed the the tatami room. 00:02:10.755 --> 00:02:14.025 So virtually all Japanese apartments houses we'll have one 00:02:14.025 --> 00:02:15.675 room that has a tatami floor. 00:02:16.035 --> 00:02:18.885 And, since, you know, we were not a no. 00:02:19.995 --> 00:02:21.945 We, we weren't using it for anything else. 00:02:21.975 --> 00:02:24.135 I'm like, well, I'm just going to kind of take over that. 00:02:24.165 --> 00:02:27.985 Although it's become the Alan's work and piling 00:02:28.465 --> 00:02:30.285 up crap room. 00:02:31.165 --> 00:02:34.805 But I don't know if having the floor is like a, you know, a tatami makes 00:02:34.805 --> 00:02:38.475 any difference, but it does seem to do a reasonable job of absorbing 00:02:38.475 --> 00:02:40.325 here reflections audio reflection. 00:02:40.325 --> 00:02:40.535 so 00:02:41.255 --> 00:02:41.735 Mario: Nice. 00:02:41.765 --> 00:02:43.085 Yeah, that's good. 00:02:44.165 --> 00:02:44.355 Alan: that. 00:02:44.405 --> 00:02:46.195 Mario: So have you been what's new? 00:02:46.645 --> 00:02:47.965 Alan: Ah, So yeah. 00:02:47.965 --> 00:02:48.885 I know it's a 00:02:49.065 --> 00:02:49.645 time just, 00:02:49.815 --> 00:02:52.735 I it's just terrifying how fast this year has gone. 00:02:53.275 --> 00:02:53.845 Mario: Yeah. 00:02:54.055 --> 00:02:54.805 Alan: absolutely. 00:02:55.225 --> 00:02:57.115 I just don't know what's going on at all. 00:02:57.115 --> 00:02:57.605 It's Yeah, 00:02:57.605 --> 00:03:00.125 it's been just disappeared. 00:03:00.555 --> 00:03:02.425 Yeah, It's been actually, I've got some interesting news. 00:03:03.265 --> 00:03:09.605 So I think I mentioned briefly to you a few, maybe a month or so ago that 500 00:03:09.605 --> 00:03:12.805 startups are doing a thing with Kobe city. 00:03:13.315 --> 00:03:20.255 And for it's what is 500 Kobe founders academy it's called and it's designed 00:03:20.255 --> 00:03:26.805 for reasonably new founders with like either seed or pre-seed or kind of 00:03:26.835 --> 00:03:29.065 early stages of company founding. 00:03:30.055 --> 00:03:34.325 And it's hoping to anybody all over the world in previous years it was, 00:03:34.505 --> 00:03:38.465 you go to Kobe for six weeks and you do kind of the program there. 00:03:38.835 --> 00:03:41.775 Obviously with the way things are right now, it's virtual. 00:03:41.775 --> 00:03:44.205 So they said it's, you can apply from anywhere. 00:03:44.595 --> 00:03:47.595 Obviously Japanese startups are preferred, but it's, I'm open 00:03:47.595 --> 00:03:48.825 to anybody all over the world. 00:03:48.825 --> 00:03:54.790 So I Made a one evening pitch deck of like cause literally the 00:03:54.830 --> 00:03:57.120 form is you know, who are you? 00:03:57.180 --> 00:04:00.560 What's your company attach a, a your deck. 00:04:00.620 --> 00:04:01.130 And I'm like, 00:04:02.545 --> 00:04:02.635 Mario: Yeah. 00:04:03.920 --> 00:04:04.250 Alan: okay. 00:04:04.490 --> 00:04:09.400 So I made a very quick one evening attempt to T a, a pitch deck which 00:04:09.400 --> 00:04:12.840 was kind of rushed, but And it seemed to get across the main points. 00:04:13.170 --> 00:04:16.990 And so I got a message last week that I've been accepted. 00:04:17.665 --> 00:04:18.505 Mario: Oh, nice. 00:04:18.745 --> 00:04:19.345 Congrats. 00:04:19.495 --> 00:04:23.770 Alan: Thank you so it's interesting cause it's a four week program and it's all 00:04:23.770 --> 00:04:28.330 done online virtually, so it's mostly like, you know, video lectures, but then 00:04:28.330 --> 00:04:34.060 they do two sessions one-to-one per week with like mentors and so it's, it's. 00:04:34.695 --> 00:04:39.915 Organized by Kobe city, but it's kind of run by 500 startups. 00:04:40.725 --> 00:04:43.315 And I say, I don't know too much about it yet. 00:04:44.185 --> 00:04:48.745 I just got the links this morning for like some of the stuff to, to sign up. 00:04:49.295 --> 00:04:51.075 So it starts next week and Yeah. 00:04:51.075 --> 00:04:57.315 it's a four week lecture series plus say one-to-one and community stuff and ongoing 00:04:57.315 --> 00:04:59.085 stuff after that as well, apparently. 00:04:59.555 --> 00:04:59.705 Yeah. 00:04:59.705 --> 00:05:00.695 And it's designed for. 00:05:01.230 --> 00:05:03.500 Basically early stage founders. 00:05:03.560 --> 00:05:05.070 So she'll be interesting. 00:05:05.490 --> 00:05:05.830 So, 00:05:06.070 --> 00:05:07.340 Mario: Nice, that's awesome 00:05:07.730 --> 00:05:10.430 Alan: I mean, I don't know what to expect from it right now. 00:05:10.530 --> 00:05:14.610 Because I've never done a program like this before, and also, you know, this 00:05:14.610 --> 00:05:17.290 is it's not a you know, designed for 00:05:17.290 --> 00:05:20.860 like funding VC kind of growth. 00:05:20.890 --> 00:05:21.430 It's, it's 00:05:21.430 --> 00:05:23.690 definitely, you know early stage founders. 00:05:24.400 --> 00:05:24.800 Aimed at. 00:05:25.140 --> 00:05:26.850 So I'm like, yeah, just give me the info. 00:05:28.780 --> 00:05:30.390 I'm I'm ready to soak it all up. 00:05:30.390 --> 00:05:32.640 And I say hopefully the, the networking and 00:05:32.640 --> 00:05:33.090 community 00:05:33.090 --> 00:05:34.620 side of things should be interesting in as well. 00:05:35.010 --> 00:05:39.870 Mario: More to go to cover business apps, aspects, or business side of 00:05:40.135 --> 00:05:42.115 Alan: it's actually, let me pull up the page so I can 00:05:42.115 --> 00:05:43.375 give, I can give you the spiel. 00:05:43.615 --> 00:05:45.395 Mario: Is it virtual or in person? 00:05:45.590 --> 00:05:46.790 Alan: it's a virtual, 00:05:47.325 --> 00:05:47.655 Mario: Okay. 00:05:48.260 --> 00:05:49.580 Alan: oh, say in previous years, 00:05:49.605 --> 00:05:52.455 Mario: of things in, in Japan with COVID. 00:05:52.455 --> 00:05:52.665 Yeah, 00:05:53.330 --> 00:05:53.660 Alan: I say 00:05:53.660 --> 00:05:55.100 it's, it's all virtual this year. 00:05:55.180 --> 00:05:56.680 So it's a virtual four week program 00:05:56.680 --> 00:05:58.750 aimed at helping startups accelerate their business. 00:05:59.090 --> 00:06:01.520 It's custom designed to support startups in an independent 00:06:01.520 --> 00:06:04.880 manner while explore scaling in, Culebra and beyond gain access 00:06:04.880 --> 00:06:08.270 to weekly AMA sessions to clarify 00:06:08.370 --> 00:06:09.740 lessons on growth, fundamentals, 00:06:09.740 --> 00:06:11.610 sales, capital growth, and more. 00:06:12.060 --> 00:06:12.240 Yeah. 00:06:12.240 --> 00:06:13.230 so it's basically 00:06:13.230 --> 00:06:13.650 like 00:06:14.430 --> 00:06:14.760 grow. 00:06:15.660 --> 00:06:15.900 Mario: Yeah. 00:06:16.370 --> 00:06:17.000 Alan: So Yeah. 00:06:17.030 --> 00:06:18.710 Designed for early stage global 00:06:18.830 --> 00:06:20.570 startups with global solutions, 00:06:20.700 --> 00:06:21.390 Mario: Oh, nice. 00:06:21.390 --> 00:06:23.280 So even though you're not in Kobe, 00:06:23.280 --> 00:06:24.550 you can participate. 00:06:24.580 --> 00:06:25.720 Obviously they accepted you. 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:26.270 Alan: Yes. 00:06:26.770 --> 00:06:27.160 Mario: Yeah. 00:06:27.560 --> 00:06:28.370 Alan: So yeah, it 00:06:28.370 --> 00:06:33.270 should be quite an interesting as I just, the, these sessions that I've had with for 00:06:33.270 --> 00:06:38.130 local, I mentioned that I've done these, these mentoring sessions that our startup 00:06:38.130 --> 00:06:44.340 thing, and they were You know, Japanese either investors or exited founders that 00:06:44.340 --> 00:06:45.990 are now doing advising and investing. 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:48.220 But just the whole process of. 00:06:50.380 --> 00:06:55.390 you, know, as, as much as I know, you know, the same, we've all read the books. 00:06:55.390 --> 00:06:59.920 We've kind of, we, we know all of the theory right behind doing this. 00:07:00.220 --> 00:07:05.200 As, you know, putting it into practice is not as straightforward as just, 00:07:05.320 --> 00:07:06.640 oh, well you just do this, right. 00:07:06.950 --> 00:07:10.490 Especially you've got this internal fight with, you know, what you should be doing. 00:07:11.225 --> 00:07:13.475 Part of you is like, nah, I don't want to do that. 00:07:14.465 --> 00:07:17.165 And it's, you know, there's loads of things which I'm 00:07:17.405 --> 00:07:19.025 doing and have done, which. 00:07:19.925 --> 00:07:20.975 I know better. 00:07:21.195 --> 00:07:21.705 But you. 00:07:21.705 --> 00:07:22.185 still do it. 00:07:22.185 --> 00:07:22.455 Right. 00:07:22.855 --> 00:07:26.125 But just talking through it with somebody or explaining yourself to 00:07:26.125 --> 00:07:30.595 somebody and having them point out the stuff that's directly in front 00:07:30.595 --> 00:07:32.305 of your face has been really helpful. 00:07:32.585 --> 00:07:36.755 So I'm kind of, I'm hoping for, for more of that, it's just. 00:07:37.535 --> 00:07:41.115 As we've mentioned before doing this on your own is just, is hard. 00:07:41.115 --> 00:07:41.415 Right? 00:07:41.495 --> 00:07:46.715 You don't have that constant dynamic of somebody questioning or I'm 00:07:47.945 --> 00:07:49.625 just talking through this stuff. 00:07:49.625 --> 00:07:49.955 Right. 00:07:50.015 --> 00:07:52.655 I think it's one of the reasons these sessions are helpful as well, just 00:07:52.655 --> 00:07:57.725 to by, by bringing that stuff into the open makes you realize some of 00:07:57.725 --> 00:07:59.225 the stupid things you're doing or 00:07:59.525 --> 00:08:01.295 not doing as the case may be. 00:08:01.955 --> 00:08:02.165 So. 00:08:02.330 --> 00:08:06.350 Mario: And just, and just talking about things helps, sometimes, even if it's 00:08:06.350 --> 00:08:11.920 just, just talking right, and just saying things out loud and in the process of 00:08:11.920 --> 00:08:14.080 doing that, thoughts come up, you know, 00:08:14.400 --> 00:08:15.630 Alan: but that's the one of the strangest. 00:08:15.660 --> 00:08:16.140 Yeah. 00:08:16.140 --> 00:08:18.730 That is one of the strange things about these mentoring sessions is that, 00:08:18.740 --> 00:08:21.270 you know, I'm talking about it and 00:08:21.630 --> 00:08:24.750 trying to do it in Japanese as well, which is challenging. 00:08:26.130 --> 00:08:29.790 And as I'm saying things, I'm like, huh, I should be doing that. 00:08:30.210 --> 00:08:30.870 And he's really good. 00:08:30.870 --> 00:08:32.910 He's like, why didn't I think of that before? 00:08:33.810 --> 00:08:37.500 And I, you know, I've been doing a bit of reading about, you know, this, this kind 00:08:37.500 --> 00:08:40.910 of thing of just you know, I've talked before about how we did a business plan. 00:08:41.790 --> 00:08:44.880 You know, early, when we set up the company just to get, to be able to 00:08:44.880 --> 00:08:48.800 get a bank account here, we needed to have a business plan and having. 00:08:49.950 --> 00:08:56.520 Effectively like a written map, stated goal plan of what you're going to do and 00:08:56.550 --> 00:08:58.350 why you're doing and how you're going 00:08:58.350 --> 00:08:59.370 to try and achieve it. 00:08:59.850 --> 00:09:03.120 It, it it's when things are internally in your head, you just 00:09:03.270 --> 00:09:04.920 miss the obvious things sometimes. 00:09:04.920 --> 00:09:06.980 And really helps just to get out into the open. 00:09:07.498 --> 00:09:07.888 Mario: Yeah. 00:09:08.101 --> 00:09:08.971 Well, that's awesome. 00:09:08.971 --> 00:09:10.091 that's really cool. 00:09:10.331 --> 00:09:11.141 So when is that? 00:09:11.201 --> 00:09:12.071 When is that again? 00:09:12.356 --> 00:09:14.006 Alan: Starts on Monday starts 00:09:14.006 --> 00:09:14.456 next week. 00:09:14.456 --> 00:09:16.196 So I been said, I can't announce it 00:09:16.196 --> 00:09:16.886 publicly, but 00:09:16.886 --> 00:09:18.746 since this goes out in a few weeks, we'll be 00:09:18.746 --> 00:09:19.016 okay. 00:09:19.531 --> 00:09:19.771 Mario: yeah, 00:09:21.506 --> 00:09:24.146 Alan: I can announce it publicly after it started, but they want to 00:09:24.146 --> 00:09:24.506 do some 00:09:24.506 --> 00:09:25.466 PR thing or something. 00:09:25.466 --> 00:09:25.636 So 00:09:26.666 --> 00:09:27.146 which again? 00:09:27.146 --> 00:09:31.826 you know, it's just that the 500 startups network is just so big and so powerful 00:09:31.826 --> 00:09:33.196 that you know, the, hopefully there's 00:09:33.196 --> 00:09:35.686 some, some good people in that I can learn from too. 00:09:35.686 --> 00:09:38.686 So, I mean, even just joining, you know MegaMaker has been. 00:09:39.221 --> 00:09:40.541 Really interesting. 00:09:40.541 --> 00:09:41.591 And I've learned a lot just 00:09:41.591 --> 00:09:41.921 through, you 00:09:41.921 --> 00:09:45.971 know, reading and you know, discussions on there and topics that come up there. 00:09:45.971 --> 00:09:46.271 So, 00:09:46.721 --> 00:09:47.621 I think it should 00:09:47.681 --> 00:09:49.361 just be really interesting. 00:09:49.691 --> 00:09:50.081 Hopefully. 00:09:50.471 --> 00:09:51.461 I hope, I think. 00:09:52.496 --> 00:09:57.446 Mario: Just by being there, you can absorb information and learn things that, even if 00:09:57.446 --> 00:09:59.922 it's not something that you necessarily. 00:09:59.922 --> 00:10:02.234 Need sometimes you don't need something right now. 00:10:02.234 --> 00:10:04.214 You don't need to know something, but other people 00:10:04.214 --> 00:10:07.124 are discussing something that you recognize that you 00:10:07.124 --> 00:10:08.204 might need in the future. 00:10:08.204 --> 00:10:11.504 So you make a mental note or, you know, anything like, take some notes 00:10:11.504 --> 00:10:12.584 down and yeah, I 00:10:12.584 --> 00:10:13.874 can become useful in the. 00:10:14.439 --> 00:10:14.709 Alan: Yeah. 00:10:14.769 --> 00:10:16.149 I know part of this is 00:10:16.249 --> 00:10:20.569 they there's lectures and sections on like raising capital and stuff like, that. 00:10:20.569 --> 00:10:22.699 And, you know, we've said before, it's like, that's not really in 00:10:22.699 --> 00:10:27.679 my immediate plans, but it's helpful to know about until when, when it's discussed 00:10:27.709 --> 00:10:33.169 to know some of the, the pros and cons and to know what's involved a bit more rather 00:10:33.169 --> 00:10:33.439 than. 00:10:34.169 --> 00:10:35.879 Just dismissing out of hand. 00:10:35.879 --> 00:10:36.809 It's like, well, no, I know 00:10:37.139 --> 00:10:39.449 it's, it's a more educated decision. 00:10:39.449 --> 00:10:39.719 Right. 00:10:39.719 --> 00:10:43.969 So even if it's not in my immediate plans, it's helpful to know. 00:10:43.969 --> 00:10:44.209 Right. 00:10:44.819 --> 00:10:45.179 Mario: Right. 00:10:45.259 --> 00:10:46.939 Alan: So she'd be interesting 00:10:47.489 --> 00:10:48.089 Mario: Yeah. 00:10:48.299 --> 00:10:48.749 Yeah. 00:10:49.139 --> 00:10:53.279 Well, looking forward to see you, your report on how that went. 00:10:53.899 --> 00:10:54.109 Alan: at the. 00:10:54.109 --> 00:10:56.299 interest and the helpful thing for me as well as it's all 00:10:56.299 --> 00:10:58.369 in English with a Japanese subtitles. 00:10:58.369 --> 00:10:58.669 So 00:10:59.449 --> 00:11:01.579 that's good because obviously most of the mentors are from 00:11:01.659 --> 00:11:02.799 Non Japanese. 00:11:02.799 --> 00:11:03.039 Right. 00:11:03.099 --> 00:11:04.449 So that's helpful 00:11:05.774 --> 00:11:06.314 Mario: Cool. 00:11:07.364 --> 00:11:08.911 How about your product? 00:11:09.296 --> 00:11:10.046 Alan: product world. 00:11:10.356 --> 00:11:13.906 So I've been working on the subscription, the paddle integration 00:11:13.966 --> 00:11:16.516 which is going reasonably easily. 00:11:16.516 --> 00:11:20.056 So I think I mentioned before, you know, I chose Paddle. 00:11:21.146 --> 00:11:22.706 So I don't have to think about it. 00:11:22.706 --> 00:11:26.426 Don't have to worry about everything else, especially with, you know, from day one, 00:11:26.426 --> 00:11:28.326 I'll be taking international payments. 00:11:29.396 --> 00:11:29.976 Well, hopefully. 00:11:29.991 --> 00:11:30.231 Right. 00:11:30.561 --> 00:11:35.785 So one of the differences, we know pedal has all of this, it deals with a lot more 00:11:36.205 --> 00:11:41.125 stuff in, terms of the tax filing and reporting and paying payments and stuff. 00:11:41.525 --> 00:11:45.935 But one of the things they don't really provide is your actual. 00:11:46.550 --> 00:11:47.600 Interface stuff. 00:11:47.930 --> 00:11:52.010 It's his, there's a, an API there's, there's some JavaScript stuff 00:11:52.040 --> 00:11:53.600 to pop in, in our payment thing. 00:11:53.850 --> 00:11:57.960 But as far as, especially with doing a subscription service, we still 00:11:57.960 --> 00:11:59.940 need to manage that subscription. 00:11:59.940 --> 00:12:00.180 Right. 00:12:01.500 --> 00:12:03.960 That is all API based. 00:12:03.990 --> 00:12:06.270 So the API is is pretty straightforward. 00:12:06.270 --> 00:12:10.740 You know, it's not, not really drastically more difficult than Stripe's or anything. 00:12:11.070 --> 00:12:14.910 One of the reasons, of course, there isn't an SDK for Elixir, right. 00:12:14.910 --> 00:12:19.830 Because why would there be, this is one of the downsides of using Elixir is you're in 00:12:19.830 --> 00:12:22.740 this like a lot of the time, you're like, no, it's telling you you're on your own. 00:12:23.180 --> 00:12:26.880 There's not quite the ecosystem of like Laravel or Rails or something. 00:12:28.605 --> 00:12:30.415 So but it's easy. 00:12:30.415 --> 00:12:34.565 I mean, it's just literally you've got to verify signatures and bounce that 00:12:34.565 --> 00:12:35.435 back with it and things like that. 00:12:35.435 --> 00:12:38.525 So it's a straightforward API is not difficult at all. 00:12:38.895 --> 00:12:44.085 But you've got this missing API that you need to build, which is okay. 00:12:44.085 --> 00:12:46.815 I want to downgrade or upgrade my subscription. 00:12:47.115 --> 00:12:50.115 I want to change my payment things, stuff like that. 00:12:50.955 --> 00:12:52.245 So I started. 00:12:52.860 --> 00:12:53.670 Working on that. 00:12:53.820 --> 00:12:56.570 But I found this rather neat little 00:12:56.670 --> 00:13:00.740 service called Kanuu, K A N U U dot IO. 00:13:01.050 --> 00:13:07.050 Which is interesting because it provides all of that subscription management stuff 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:10.300 for Paddle for a, very low monthly cost. 00:13:10.630 --> 00:13:12.970 So it's it was such a price it's like 00:13:14.200 --> 00:13:16.430 $15 a month for unlimited. 00:13:16.520 --> 00:13:18.680 So zero for up to 10 subscribes. 00:13:18.700 --> 00:13:21.920 So once you got 10 subscribers, it's up to them, zero, then 00:13:21.920 --> 00:13:23.420 it's $15 a month unlimited. 00:13:23.580 --> 00:13:26.220 You get custom domain and, and it basically manages. 00:13:26.220 --> 00:13:29.520 So I still have to, you know, I know which customers are on which a 00:13:29.520 --> 00:13:35.040 subscription plan, but when they choose to upgrade downgrade, cancel whatever. 00:13:35.370 --> 00:13:39.440 I basically bounced them up to their, they send web hooks, but well Paddle sends 00:13:39.440 --> 00:13:40.940 web books back to me for any changes. 00:13:41.795 --> 00:13:45.665 So as long as I'm dealing with them, I can bounce them out to a canoe for 00:13:45.695 --> 00:13:50.585 all of the, you know, changing their credit card information, and then 00:13:50.585 --> 00:13:52.715 just, you know, if they change their plan, I get to know about 00:13:52.715 --> 00:13:52.835 it. 00:13:52.835 --> 00:13:53.555 And I act on 00:13:53.555 --> 00:13:53.765 that. 00:13:54.185 --> 00:13:56.045 So it just, it's one less thing to develop. 00:13:56.045 --> 00:13:56.255 Right. 00:13:56.255 --> 00:13:57.245 So I scrapped my code. 00:13:57.605 --> 00:14:00.035 I was writing there and I'm just going to use this instead. 00:14:00.035 --> 00:14:01.715 So that's quite nice. 00:14:01.895 --> 00:14:03.695 That's one less thing to write, 00:14:03.695 --> 00:14:03.905 right? 00:14:05.245 --> 00:14:05.725 Mario: Yeah. 00:14:05.785 --> 00:14:06.835 Yeah, for sure. 00:14:06.985 --> 00:14:07.645 That's awesome. 00:14:08.015 --> 00:14:09.525 What was the name again? 00:14:09.555 --> 00:14:10.065 K a. 00:14:10.090 --> 00:14:12.880 Alan: K A N U U dot IO. 00:14:13.300 --> 00:14:13.720 Mario: Got it. 00:14:15.905 --> 00:14:16.355 Cool 00:14:16.955 --> 00:14:18.485 so it works with Paddle oh, it is 00:14:18.485 --> 00:14:20.045 specifically built to work with 00:14:20.045 --> 00:14:20.525 Alan: for Paddle. 00:14:20.645 --> 00:14:21.515 Yes, exactly. 00:14:21.815 --> 00:14:22.835 So obviously the, again, the 00:14:22.835 --> 00:14:27.245 Paddle ecosystem is, is not quite as massive as the Stripe ecosystem. 00:14:27.645 --> 00:14:30.045 But the fact that this exists was I say, oh, thank you. 00:14:30.045 --> 00:14:30.165 I 00:14:30.165 --> 00:14:31.245 don't need to write this. 00:14:31.575 --> 00:14:34.905 I mean, just silly stuff, like, you know, changing the credit card information. 00:14:34.905 --> 00:14:36.105 It's like, well, yeah, 00:14:37.130 --> 00:14:41.390 Either use the JavaScript like form that's embedded on for paddle and 00:14:41.390 --> 00:14:44.990 then, oh, I could just bounce them out to this and they take care of It all. 00:14:45.090 --> 00:14:45.810 So it's nice. 00:14:45.810 --> 00:14:47.610 I don't have to worry about any of that. 00:14:47.610 --> 00:14:47.790 Now. 00:14:47.850 --> 00:14:50.460 I just literally have to deal with the web hooks coming in from 00:14:50.460 --> 00:14:52.670 puddle which is just event changes. 00:14:52.670 --> 00:14:55.310 They, they just send a series of, so there's two, you 00:14:55.310 --> 00:14:56.640 can either or you can both. 00:14:57.460 --> 00:15:00.720 Request a history of the events that they've sent you. 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:04.150 And then you just receive events for pretty much anything that happens, 00:15:04.150 --> 00:15:07.580 you know, changing the name, credit card upgrading downgrading, canceling, 00:15:07.670 --> 00:15:09.260 and all of the requests that happen. 00:15:09.290 --> 00:15:10.620 You just get Webhooks through that. 00:15:10.650 --> 00:15:14.430 And they're very good about retrying and all the rest of the problem. 00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:15.820 So Yeah. 00:15:15.850 --> 00:15:17.890 that's, that's Nice, and easy to deal with. 00:15:17.890 --> 00:15:18.190 So. 00:15:18.795 --> 00:15:19.785 Mario: Nice, 00:15:19.840 --> 00:15:21.280 Alan: So that's what I'm looking at at the 00:15:21.280 --> 00:15:21.550 moment. 00:15:21.550 --> 00:15:26.480 So is, I think I mentioned before that I'm trying to I was about to enter, 00:15:26.500 --> 00:15:31.100 to add a bunch of people and then I'm like, you know, I should, if billing 00:15:31.100 --> 00:15:34.580 is there, then I could still introduce them and they have the option of paying. 00:15:35.555 --> 00:15:35.995 Mario: Right, 00:15:36.200 --> 00:15:37.670 Alan: really want to get this in there. 00:15:37.670 --> 00:15:38.720 Just so it's done. 00:15:38.750 --> 00:15:38.870 I 00:15:38.870 --> 00:15:43.130 can, then I feel you know, I don't mind, I, I, I don't mind, you know, 00:15:43.130 --> 00:15:48.215 giving out beta accounts until the cows go home, but it'd be nice having the option 00:15:48.245 --> 00:15:49.985 for people to talk grade. 00:15:49.985 --> 00:15:50.255 Right. 00:15:50.790 --> 00:15:51.120 Mario: yeah. 00:15:51.240 --> 00:15:52.260 Yeah, for sure. 00:15:53.195 --> 00:15:53.735 Alan: So that's pretty 00:15:53.735 --> 00:15:54.035 cool. 00:15:54.455 --> 00:15:54.935 That's a Nice. 00:15:54.935 --> 00:15:55.475 discovery. 00:15:56.310 --> 00:15:56.730 Mario: Nice. 00:15:56.790 --> 00:16:00.490 Yeah, that's really cool you're making me rethink and reevaluate 00:16:00.490 --> 00:16:02.370 my decision to go with Outseta. 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:07.950 Alan: It's the reason I didn't go without setter was the complications 00:16:07.950 --> 00:16:09.690 around my account stuff. 00:16:09.720 --> 00:16:10.230 Are the, 00:16:10.240 --> 00:16:11.370 the user account stuff. 00:16:11.370 --> 00:16:13.170 Cause you said you're not using that either. 00:16:13.170 --> 00:16:13.470 Right? 00:16:13.920 --> 00:16:17.820 I mean, I was set to seems really nice and it just, it's a great 00:16:17.820 --> 00:16:19.110 one-stop shop for everything. 00:16:19.140 --> 00:16:19.500 Right. 00:16:19.600 --> 00:16:23.730 You know, billing, user accounts help system just everything right. 00:16:24.795 --> 00:16:31.505 But the, it seems best from my understanding when you start, 00:16:31.595 --> 00:16:32.855 when you use The whole system. 00:16:33.040 --> 00:16:33.730 Mario: The whole thing. 00:16:33.730 --> 00:16:34.270 Yeah, 00:16:34.295 --> 00:16:35.645 Alan: I mean, that's kind of what it's designed for. 00:16:35.645 --> 00:16:35.995 It's like, yeah, 00:16:35.995 --> 00:16:39.995 you've got a CRM built that relies upon you having your user accounts 00:16:40.025 --> 00:16:40.595 within that 00:16:40.595 --> 00:16:40.985 system, 00:16:41.285 --> 00:16:42.815 So they have to sign up via that. 00:16:43.165 --> 00:16:45.985 Otherwise you've, you've then got an additional API to manage 00:16:46.045 --> 00:16:46.285 of, 00:16:46.615 --> 00:16:47.965 well, someone's created an account here. 00:16:47.965 --> 00:16:49.795 I've got to create a countdown outset or with 00:16:49.795 --> 00:16:49.975 them. 00:16:49.975 --> 00:16:50.215 Right. 00:16:50.215 --> 00:16:50.515 So, 00:16:50.850 --> 00:16:51.000 Mario: yeah. 00:16:51.075 --> 00:16:51.435 Yeah. 00:16:51.435 --> 00:16:52.215 Yeah, exactly. 00:16:52.215 --> 00:16:56.625 it's not the best if you are not using the whole system, you have to kind 00:16:56.625 --> 00:16:58.068 of what's the word I'm looking for? 00:16:58.068 --> 00:16:58.698 fill in the 00:16:58.698 --> 00:16:59.408 gaps, right? 00:16:59.418 --> 00:17:01.008 Because you're not using everything. 00:17:01.008 --> 00:17:03.348 anything that's missing there, you have to fill it in. 00:17:03.348 --> 00:17:05.298 And so it ends up being quite a bit of 00:17:05.298 --> 00:17:05.918 work to. 00:17:05.918 --> 00:17:09.338 Make it work with just this one section of Outseta, right? 00:17:09.728 --> 00:17:11.738 Alan: I mean that, that was the recent cause I started looking 00:17:11.738 --> 00:17:15.288 into it and then know I've got an account there and I'm like, hold on. 00:17:15.608 --> 00:17:16.538 I want to use that. 00:17:16.568 --> 00:17:19.688 But to get to that, I have to do all this other stuff. 00:17:19.778 --> 00:17:21.098 I've got to create a user account. 00:17:21.098 --> 00:17:23.158 I've got to create this for them. 00:17:23.168 --> 00:17:26.948 And then they have to, I have to authenticate them on outset or when 00:17:26.948 --> 00:17:28.208 they log into my thing as well. 00:17:28.208 --> 00:17:28.478 right? 00:17:28.478 --> 00:17:29.018 And it's like, 00:17:29.798 --> 00:17:30.578 Mario: yeah. 00:17:31.798 --> 00:17:33.998 Alan: this actually, this is more work than I wanted to do. 00:17:34.403 --> 00:17:34.873 Mario: Yeah. 00:17:35.068 --> 00:17:39.718 Alan: Again, if you, if you're building something that is either membership-based 00:17:40.078 --> 00:17:42.838 using another service or it's no code based, I think it's perfect. 00:17:43.178 --> 00:17:47.078 But for something that you already have a user account system, it's seems 00:17:47.078 --> 00:17:52.208 a little plus they, that didn't work well for me for multiple, currencies. 00:17:53.198 --> 00:17:55.388 I could have multiple currencies, but it meant I had to have 00:17:55.388 --> 00:17:56.558 different subscription plans. 00:17:56.618 --> 00:17:58.058 I don't know if that's changed now, but when. 00:17:59.423 --> 00:18:03.743 I raised it with support And were like, it just have a Japanese subscription 00:18:03.743 --> 00:18:05.993 plan and a dollar subscription plan. 00:18:06.083 --> 00:18:07.283 And if you want to. 00:18:07.703 --> 00:18:09.983 you know, a pound sterling a 00:18:10.703 --> 00:18:11.513 payment plan as well. 00:18:11.723 --> 00:18:13.553 And then they subscribe to that 00:18:13.913 --> 00:18:16.073 and it's like, can I not just have one plan? 00:18:16.073 --> 00:18:17.783 And it's different currencies depending on where they are 00:18:17.783 --> 00:18:19.133 no, you have different. 00:18:19.223 --> 00:18:23.343 So I'm like, I, I don't that it didn't really fit my, 00:18:23.693 --> 00:18:24.143 I needed. 00:18:24.673 --> 00:18:25.123 Mario: Yeah. 00:18:25.123 --> 00:18:30.833 I mean, with a SaaS business and the global nature of it, you really need all 00:18:30.833 --> 00:18:33.541 this, flexibility and, all these options. 00:18:33.541 --> 00:18:34.591 So I don't know. 00:18:34.591 --> 00:18:37.681 I'm yeah, I think I'm going to have to rethink, because I still haven't 00:18:37.681 --> 00:18:39.451 integrated anything with them. 00:18:39.579 --> 00:18:41.529 other than just a little widget 00:18:41.529 --> 00:18:45.459 for, contact us kind of thing, but I could get that from somewhere else. 00:18:45.799 --> 00:18:50.860 And then they have a nice sort of, help kind of, system, you know, that 00:18:50.980 --> 00:18:51.370 Alan: based type 00:18:51.370 --> 00:18:51.640 thing. 00:18:51.670 --> 00:18:51.850 Yeah. 00:18:51.920 --> 00:18:52.780 Mm Hmm. 00:18:53.230 --> 00:18:53.470 Mario: Yeah. 00:18:53.470 --> 00:18:55.537 Where you can, write articles and, help. 00:18:55.537 --> 00:18:57.757 articles and so on. 00:18:57.877 --> 00:19:00.427 So, I kind of use that because it 00:19:00.427 --> 00:19:03.007 doesn't really require a deep integration is 00:19:03.102 --> 00:19:03.372 Alan: right. 00:19:03.402 --> 00:19:05.352 It's I need to set up one of those two. 00:19:05.557 --> 00:19:08.317 Mario: it's just a link that you send the user to. 00:19:08.737 --> 00:19:09.607 and yeah, 00:19:09.607 --> 00:19:10.507 that's all I've done. 00:19:10.507 --> 00:19:10.567 I 00:19:10.567 --> 00:19:13.627 haven't really done anything with the billing, or anything else. 00:19:13.627 --> 00:19:14.077 So, 00:19:14.077 --> 00:19:14.937 Alan: I don't want to dismiss. 00:19:14.957 --> 00:19:17.777 I said, cause I think it's a really good solution, but for 00:19:17.777 --> 00:19:20.037 what you're doing, I, it might 00:19:20.037 --> 00:19:20.607 be 00:19:21.147 --> 00:19:21.987 just not the best 00:19:21.987 --> 00:19:22.317 fit. 00:19:23.007 --> 00:19:23.487 Mario: Yeah. 00:19:23.487 --> 00:19:23.787 it is. 00:19:23.817 --> 00:19:24.207 Yeah. 00:19:24.237 --> 00:19:25.167 I agree. 00:19:25.467 --> 00:19:28.437 And that's why in part, that's why I've been kind of. 00:19:29.547 --> 00:19:32.127 Postponing working in on that, in that area. 00:19:32.157 --> 00:19:36.597 Cause I still, I'm still not fully convinced and fully committed to it. 00:19:36.597 --> 00:19:36.957 So 00:19:37.907 --> 00:19:38.117 Alan: Yeah. 00:19:38.307 --> 00:19:38.487 Mario: will 00:19:38.487 --> 00:19:39.807 look into Paddle again. 00:19:39.907 --> 00:19:43.277 Alan: One of the things that, did have to do with paddle was you have to there's, 00:19:43.297 --> 00:19:46.397 there's multiple like approval stages you have to go through, they have to 00:19:46.397 --> 00:19:48.887 review a product that it's, it's not a, 00:19:48.937 --> 00:19:50.197 Like a service based product. 00:19:50.197 --> 00:19:53.287 It's just a subscription or or a sold product. 00:19:53.657 --> 00:19:58.227 They then also, if you create subscription plans you have to then get approved 00:19:58.227 --> 00:20:00.647 for it, say SaaS subscription plans. 00:20:00.647 --> 00:20:05.067 So that has different tax implications than if it was a delivery thing 00:20:05.087 --> 00:20:07.402 or, so there's, so there's different levels of approval. 00:20:07.402 --> 00:20:10.672 Each one is like, you know, it's a few days or it's a week or more. 00:20:10.672 --> 00:20:15.242 So there is there's definitely a process, but the, they seem very responsive to 00:20:15.242 --> 00:20:18.892 support queries and they've been helpful, you know, for any things I've asked for. 00:20:19.202 --> 00:20:24.632 And I say is just, seems, you know, very comprehensive from a dealing with global 00:20:24.842 --> 00:20:27.932 sales and not having to worry about. 00:20:28.942 --> 00:20:30.952 The implications of tax and things like that. 00:20:31.012 --> 00:20:33.722 And obviously with this, something like Kanuu makes it, 00:20:34.142 --> 00:20:35.742 Just one little bit easier as well. 00:20:36.225 --> 00:20:36.405 So 00:20:36.777 --> 00:20:38.708 Mario: Well, I might have to copy that. 00:20:39.346 --> 00:20:39.856 Alan: you're okay. 00:20:39.856 --> 00:20:41.986 Cause everything's got Laravel APIs 00:20:41.986 --> 00:20:44.836 for both the Paddle and for Kanuu had that. 00:20:44.836 --> 00:20:45.826 So yeah, you got it easy. 00:20:46.764 --> 00:20:47.074 Mario: Nice. 00:20:47.074 --> 00:20:48.394 Oh even, better. 00:20:49.774 --> 00:20:50.434 So 00:20:50.484 --> 00:20:51.155 what was I gonna ask you? 00:20:51.185 --> 00:20:52.175 Oh, there was one thing 00:20:52.175 --> 00:20:56.255 that I remember you mentioned about Paddle when you were 00:20:56.285 --> 00:20:59.185 going through the approval process where you answered 00:20:59.185 --> 00:21:00.415 something that you thought was 00:21:00.415 --> 00:21:00.895 the right answer. 00:21:00.895 --> 00:21:01.255 And they were 00:21:01.255 --> 00:21:03.295 like, oh, then you're not approved. 00:21:03.295 --> 00:21:03.885 And then you're like, no, 00:21:03.885 --> 00:21:03.965 no, 00:21:03.968 --> 00:21:04.178 Alan: Yeah. 00:21:04.178 --> 00:21:07.388 They said something about it's the human interaction required. 00:21:07.418 --> 00:21:10.988 And I'm like, well, yeah, because the people use the product and they're 00:21:10.988 --> 00:21:12.528 like, oh, you can't use it the time. 00:21:12.548 --> 00:21:12.988 What, What, 00:21:12.998 --> 00:21:13.748 did you mean by that? 00:21:14.198 --> 00:21:16.328 And they're like, does it require 00:21:16.358 --> 00:21:20.318 a human in order to deliver the service? 00:21:22.433 --> 00:21:23.063 No. 00:21:23.645 --> 00:21:25.415 Mario: Oh, why didn't you ask that? 00:21:25.553 --> 00:21:27.293 Alan: So when they rephrase it, I'm I don't 00:21:27.293 --> 00:21:28.213 definitely know that. 00:21:28.213 --> 00:21:28.733 And they'll okay. 00:21:28.733 --> 00:21:29.033 Then that 00:21:29.033 --> 00:21:29.603 case it's fine. 00:21:29.793 --> 00:21:33.063 So yeah, it's a slightly confusing wording that. 00:21:34.083 --> 00:21:35.463 So just be wary of 00:21:35.463 --> 00:21:35.613 that. 00:21:35.673 --> 00:21:37.623 I was just, just make sure you understand what it is. 00:21:37.623 --> 00:21:41.343 They're asking again, it's from a tax and because they act 00:21:41.343 --> 00:21:43.043 as a was it seller of record? 00:21:43.043 --> 00:21:46.433 I forget the legal term, but basically that they're selling your product. 00:21:46.733 --> 00:21:51.263 So and, and, you know, your credit card receipt comes as sold by Paddle. 00:21:51.593 --> 00:21:55.703 So they're effectively have to And again, because of the tax implications, 00:21:55.703 --> 00:21:58.793 if they're selling a physical service. 00:21:58.823 --> 00:22:01.733 Oh, so say it's a service based thing and I'm doing, you know, effectively 00:22:01.793 --> 00:22:03.173 freelance or something like that. 00:22:03.603 --> 00:22:06.693 The tax implications are very different and they're, like, we don't do that 00:22:07.173 --> 00:22:08.763 if you're doing that, we're not for 00:22:08.763 --> 00:22:08.973 you. 00:22:09.353 --> 00:22:12.863 So if you, if it's just a pure digital delivery, then 00:22:13.313 --> 00:22:14.423 it's it's best. 00:22:14.423 --> 00:22:14.573 That's 00:22:14.573 --> 00:22:16.353 basically, it's got to be a digital delivery. 00:22:17.009 --> 00:22:21.347 Mario: did they give you a chance to add something to that where it shows on the 00:22:21.520 --> 00:22:22.520 Alan: it shows Paddle. 00:22:22.540 --> 00:22:23.260 And then I've got 00:22:23.260 --> 00:22:23.740 one here. 00:22:24.767 --> 00:22:26.717 Mario: dash something or something like that? 00:22:27.917 --> 00:22:28.087 Yeah. 00:22:28.127 --> 00:22:28.247 Cause 00:22:28.247 --> 00:22:29.357 otherwise people can 00:22:29.635 --> 00:22:29.905 Alan: Yeah, 00:22:30.227 --> 00:22:30.917 Mario: and I'm like, oh, I don't have 00:22:30.917 --> 00:22:31.727 anything with paddles, 00:22:32.005 --> 00:22:32.215 Alan: right. 00:22:32.215 --> 00:22:35.495 So they both the invoices that they get have like the Paddle 00:22:35.495 --> 00:22:39.075 logo at the bottom, but it has your name and logo stuff as well. 00:22:39.315 --> 00:22:39.675 And on 00:22:39.675 --> 00:22:42.015 the receipts, it says Paddle parentheses 00:22:42.045 --> 00:22:42.435 your. 00:22:43.110 --> 00:22:43.560 Product. 00:22:43.830 --> 00:22:48.440 So it's and most things, I mean like tailwind UI is sold via Paddle. 00:22:48.510 --> 00:22:51.960 So if you look at your receipt for that, if you have that then you'll, you'll see. 00:22:52.060 --> 00:22:56.290 I have a surprising number of services I pay for use it just 00:22:56.290 --> 00:22:58.030 because I think it's very convenient. 00:22:58.600 --> 00:23:02.050 So yeah, maybe, maybe with that, but yeah, people seem to understand 00:23:02.050 --> 00:23:05.670 now that it's a lot of them say, you know, it'll be billed by Paddle. 00:23:06.295 --> 00:23:08.155 Something because I've got the issue that my, 00:23:08.825 --> 00:23:13.315 Company's XenoCode, my application is DotPlan and it's been sold by Paddle. 00:23:13.385 --> 00:23:16.655 So people will be like, what the hell am I paying for that? 00:23:17.135 --> 00:23:17.795 Yeah, exactly. 00:23:17.795 --> 00:23:19.115 It's a bit confusing, but that? 00:23:19.676 --> 00:23:20.289 Mario: Yeah. 00:23:20.289 --> 00:23:21.860 Well, I kind of have a similar situation. 00:23:22.925 --> 00:23:24.745 Fusioncast is not the company name. 00:23:24.745 --> 00:23:25.975 It's just the product name. 00:23:26.575 --> 00:23:26.935 Yeah, 00:23:27.198 --> 00:23:28.638 Alan: And you might be able to, I see. 00:23:28.648 --> 00:23:29.508 I think you 00:23:29.508 --> 00:23:30.048 can set 00:23:30.048 --> 00:23:31.518 what gets displayed on that. 00:23:31.578 --> 00:23:32.898 So I think it would say 00:23:32.898 --> 00:23:34.688 Paddle bracket DotPlan. 00:23:35.718 --> 00:23:36.168 I think, 00:23:37.008 --> 00:23:37.548 can't remember 00:23:40.085 --> 00:23:40.775 Mario: Nice. 00:23:41.105 --> 00:23:41.705 All right. 00:23:41.795 --> 00:23:42.785 Anything else? 00:23:42.868 --> 00:23:43.048 Alan: think. 00:23:43.048 --> 00:23:43.588 What about you? 00:23:44.537 --> 00:23:45.197 new job, right. 00:23:45.197 --> 00:23:46.907 So I assume quite 00:23:46.907 --> 00:23:47.447 intensive. 00:23:47.635 --> 00:23:48.025 Mario: Yeah. 00:23:48.055 --> 00:23:48.625 It is. 00:23:48.675 --> 00:23:50.385 Just, you know, getting on board and, 00:23:50.385 --> 00:23:51.375 learning new things. 00:23:51.375 --> 00:23:52.095 There's lots of 00:23:52.095 --> 00:23:52.995 unknowns and 00:23:52.995 --> 00:23:54.615 getting to know what I'm working 00:23:54.615 --> 00:23:54.885 with 00:23:54.975 --> 00:23:57.615 and the people I'm working with, which has been great. 00:23:57.615 --> 00:23:58.035 yeah. 00:23:58.065 --> 00:23:58.935 It's been going great. 00:23:58.935 --> 00:24:00.135 I'm really loving it. 00:24:00.135 --> 00:24:01.823 Just, you know, working with my 00:24:01.823 --> 00:24:02.843 team and, 00:24:02.843 --> 00:24:03.533 Very smooth 00:24:03.563 --> 00:24:04.013 onboarding 00:24:04.013 --> 00:24:04.643 process. 00:24:04.888 --> 00:24:07.438 Alan: I think you did tell me less last week, but how, how 00:24:07.438 --> 00:24:07.648 big is. 00:24:08.165 --> 00:24:11.555 Mario: It's, Like a mid size company is not too small, not too large. 00:24:11.555 --> 00:24:12.845 but they do have, 00:24:12.845 --> 00:24:13.715 lots of, 00:24:13.765 --> 00:24:15.355 Business going on nationwide. 00:24:15.355 --> 00:24:20.305 So there's, lots of things going on, very complex system to handle all of that. 00:24:20.305 --> 00:24:22.145 So yeah, it's a fun. 00:24:22.288 --> 00:24:24.222 Project, that I'm working with. 00:24:24.252 --> 00:24:28.422 And it involves, rewriting of an old system, basically, you know? 00:24:28.422 --> 00:24:32.412 And so there's lots of opportunities to improve and to make it better. 00:24:32.412 --> 00:24:34.002 There's also the challenge of. 00:24:34.231 --> 00:24:39.734 Digging into an, an old code base written by, multiple different people who write 00:24:39.734 --> 00:24:41.594 code in a different style than your own. 00:24:41.594 --> 00:24:42.464 And so you have to. 00:24:42.464 --> 00:24:46.724 Dive in there and do a lot of detective work to figure things out. 00:24:46.724 --> 00:24:49.544 So, that's challenging, but it it's a fun project in that. 00:24:49.544 --> 00:24:52.274 it's very promising in terms of, the potential, you 00:24:52.274 --> 00:24:53.504 know, to rewrite 00:24:53.504 --> 00:24:54.644 it and make it better 00:24:54.644 --> 00:24:57.284 Alan: Was it written in a different language and 00:24:57.284 --> 00:24:57.884 framework as 00:24:57.884 --> 00:24:58.154 well? 00:24:58.184 --> 00:25:01.394 Or is it, oh, it was all PHP 00:25:01.394 --> 00:25:01.794 right now. 00:25:01.794 --> 00:25:02.114 Okay. 00:25:02.294 --> 00:25:04.334 So well, oh, okay. 00:25:04.364 --> 00:25:04.754 That's fun. 00:25:04.754 --> 00:25:05.504 I remember doing that. 00:25:05.769 --> 00:25:06.159 Mario: Yeah. 00:25:06.369 --> 00:25:07.839 Yeah, yeah, 00:25:09.224 --> 00:25:09.644 Alan: Nice. 00:25:09.909 --> 00:25:11.769 Mario: yeah, so it's a, it's an interesting 00:25:11.769 --> 00:25:13.569 project, but I liked that 00:25:13.599 --> 00:25:15.759 kind of challenge, you know, I kind of like 00:25:16.654 --> 00:25:17.974 Alan: It is kind of therapeutic. 00:25:18.024 --> 00:25:22.084 I did something very similar for a client in the last few weeks was, was 00:25:22.094 --> 00:25:25.984 basically taking an older Ruby code base and rails 00:25:25.984 --> 00:25:26.584 defying it. 00:25:26.674 --> 00:25:28.204 It wasn't using rails before. 00:25:28.914 --> 00:25:33.594 And it's against kind of grown over time and it's 00:25:33.644 --> 00:25:34.364 yeah, thankfully it 00:25:34.364 --> 00:25:38.414 wasn't too much to change, but obviously there's the 00:25:38.414 --> 00:25:40.094 opportunity for like, ah, we can 00:25:40.184 --> 00:25:41.984 do this better using things. 00:25:41.984 --> 00:25:42.974 So it is quite 00:25:42.974 --> 00:25:43.844 therapeutic for 00:25:43.844 --> 00:25:44.054 sure. 00:25:45.424 --> 00:25:45.724 Mario: Yeah. 00:25:45.964 --> 00:25:46.354 Yeah, 00:25:47.144 --> 00:25:48.824 Alan: And you have the power to effectively yet. 00:25:48.854 --> 00:25:51.454 Like I said, rewrite things, I'll leave things out. 00:25:51.464 --> 00:25:51.974 I'll just, 00:25:51.974 --> 00:25:52.214 Yeah. 00:25:52.544 --> 00:25:52.904 it's nice. 00:25:53.144 --> 00:25:53.354 Cool. 00:25:54.929 --> 00:25:55.289 Mario: Yeah. 00:25:55.469 --> 00:25:55.919 Yeah. 00:25:56.069 --> 00:25:59.509 So it's been going great, but you know, it's it's been taking up most 00:25:59.509 --> 00:26:04.423 of my time and mental bandwidth and, haven't really been putting too much 00:26:04.423 --> 00:26:07.663 time into a fusion cast just a little bit here and there on the weekend. 00:26:07.663 --> 00:26:12.073 I did manage to make some changes to the UI based on some 00:26:12.073 --> 00:26:13.633 really good feedback that I got. 00:26:13.961 --> 00:26:20.111 And also the fact that, some of the APIs that I'm working with, there 00:26:20.111 --> 00:26:22.151 were some changes, some updates 00:26:22.241 --> 00:26:28.741 that have made it possible to not record the backup recording automatically 00:26:28.741 --> 00:26:30.121 from the beginning, from the 00:26:30.121 --> 00:26:31.231 moment that you join a 00:26:31.231 --> 00:26:31.531 session. 00:26:32.396 --> 00:26:36.566 because that was really a technical limitation that I had because of 00:26:36.566 --> 00:26:38.666 the API that I'm using for that. 00:26:38.666 --> 00:26:41.756 And I turned it into a feature where, you know, it's a 00:26:41.756 --> 00:26:42.866 backup, right. 00:26:42.866 --> 00:26:46.166 So it's great that it's automatic, but I did get some feedback. 00:26:47.621 --> 00:26:49.091 They were saying, it's great. 00:26:49.091 --> 00:26:53.771 But at the same time, I wish I had the option to, just start recording whenever 00:26:53.771 --> 00:26:56.771 I want to not just have it automatically. 00:26:56.771 --> 00:27:00.791 because even, even if I don't start recording locally, it's recording that, 00:27:01.241 --> 00:27:04.721 you know, backups still automatically from the get-go. 00:27:04.721 --> 00:27:06.181 So it just seemed very. 00:27:06.774 --> 00:27:07.374 Forceful, 00:27:07.384 --> 00:27:08.124 if you will, 00:27:08.124 --> 00:27:09.294 the user not having 00:27:09.294 --> 00:27:09.504 that 00:27:09.589 --> 00:27:12.769 Alan: So now they can, you can initiate a session. 00:27:13.844 --> 00:27:14.654 And separately 00:27:14.654 --> 00:27:15.824 say, start recording 00:27:15.824 --> 00:27:15.944 it. 00:27:15.944 --> 00:27:16.124 Right. 00:27:17.054 --> 00:27:17.354 Nice. 00:27:17.459 --> 00:27:17.939 Mario: Yes. 00:27:17.939 --> 00:27:23.380 So basically now I have the ability to start recording both locally and 00:27:23.560 --> 00:27:24.730 backup of the same 00:27:24.730 --> 00:27:25.960 time on demand. 00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:28.510 When I click the button, then both, both 00:27:28.510 --> 00:27:29.740 recordings start. 00:27:29.771 --> 00:27:31.841 Alan: I mean, th that's probably more in line 00:27:31.841 --> 00:27:32.861 with expectations, right? 00:27:34.440 --> 00:27:35.250 Mario: Exactly. 00:27:35.310 --> 00:27:35.760 Exactly. 00:27:35.760 --> 00:27:36.090 I was 00:27:36.090 --> 00:27:39.150 super excited when I found out that they've updated that. 00:27:39.150 --> 00:27:39.690 So, 00:27:39.810 --> 00:27:40.380 I worked 00:27:40.380 --> 00:27:41.220 on, on that. 00:27:41.220 --> 00:27:41.850 And so now 00:27:41.910 --> 00:27:42.240 that's 00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:43.950 one of the changes that are coming. 00:27:44.130 --> 00:27:44.820 It's still not 00:27:44.906 --> 00:27:45.866 Alan: Oh, I have 00:27:45.866 --> 00:27:47.336 a book request or at least 00:27:47.336 --> 00:27:48.506 feature quirk. 00:27:49.730 --> 00:27:51.020 Mario: oh yeah, for sure. 00:27:51.230 --> 00:27:52.730 Let me, let me, let me write it 00:27:52.730 --> 00:27:53.090 down. 00:27:53.096 --> 00:27:54.746 Alan: So if I'm logged in, 00:27:55.496 --> 00:27:57.776 I think I may have mentioned this before. 00:27:57.956 --> 00:27:59.336 If I'm logged in, I can't join 00:27:59.336 --> 00:28:00.046 our session. 00:28:00.304 --> 00:28:02.004 Mario: If you are logged in on your own account 00:28:02.004 --> 00:28:02.164 Alan: I can't. 00:28:02.179 --> 00:28:02.959 So I was 00:28:02.959 --> 00:28:05.569 logged in because I was recording intro. 00:28:05.929 --> 00:28:09.499 And I was getting 403 for joining this session. 00:28:09.849 --> 00:28:11.379 And it's really confusing cause it 00:28:11.379 --> 00:28:16.929 takes like, it takes a few brain cycles before I go, I have got to log out and 00:28:16.929 --> 00:28:20.199 then we've got to go to Fusioncast, sign in, sign out, and then go. 00:28:20.439 --> 00:28:21.669 So if. 00:28:22.444 --> 00:28:24.124 It doesn't work for a technical thing. 00:28:24.124 --> 00:28:28.144 Just pop up a thing there saying like, you need to sign out to join 00:28:28.144 --> 00:28:29.764 as a guest or something if, if 00:28:29.764 --> 00:28:30.874 that's easiest work around. 00:28:30.904 --> 00:28:34.034 But yeah, four three is really unlike, oh, it's broken. 00:28:34.274 --> 00:28:34.664 Hold on. 00:28:35.264 --> 00:28:35.924 This rings a bell. 00:28:37.557 --> 00:28:38.487 Mario: Yeah, that's a good one. 00:28:39.567 --> 00:28:41.217 Well, I guess because of you are logged 00:28:41.217 --> 00:28:42.867 in, you have a session going 00:28:42.867 --> 00:28:43.257 on. 00:28:43.257 --> 00:28:46.867 and It thinks that the session that you're trying to 00:28:47.287 --> 00:28:48.097 Alan: It's belongs to 00:28:48.187 --> 00:28:49.297 Mario: belongs to you, 00:28:49.297 --> 00:28:49.657 but it 00:28:49.927 --> 00:28:52.207 Alan: that's what I said, I think is easiest thing was just, just 00:28:52.207 --> 00:28:55.507 pop up message and say to join somebody else's session, you 00:28:55.507 --> 00:28:56.827 need to log out first and put a 00:28:56.917 --> 00:29:00.067 log out button and do It that it was logged you out and then redirect 00:29:00.067 --> 00:29:01.267 you back to it or something. 00:29:01.687 --> 00:29:02.557 Something like that. 00:29:02.657 --> 00:29:04.837 Just, just not just a 4 0 3. 00:29:07.064 --> 00:29:07.394 Mario: yeah. 00:29:07.394 --> 00:29:09.494 that's that yeah, that's true. 00:29:09.494 --> 00:29:11.204 It's it's really bare bones right now. 00:29:11.204 --> 00:29:14.804 It's just, you know, 403 and needs to be polished. 00:29:14.854 --> 00:29:15.534 Alan: And and also I'm 00:29:15.534 --> 00:29:15.684 going 00:29:15.684 --> 00:29:16.284 to bug you about the 00:29:16.284 --> 00:29:16.704 password 00:29:16.704 --> 00:29:17.244 rules again. 00:29:19.183 --> 00:29:21.613 Mario: Oh yeah, no, that was on my list. 00:29:22.333 --> 00:29:24.613 Yeah, it's on my list. 00:29:24.613 --> 00:29:25.903 I need to work on that. 00:29:25.903 --> 00:29:26.803 password rules. 00:29:26.803 --> 00:29:27.313 Yeah. 00:29:27.313 --> 00:29:27.913 I'm going to get to 00:29:27.913 --> 00:29:28.993 that one pretty soon. 00:29:29.743 --> 00:29:30.163 Cool. 00:29:30.433 --> 00:29:31.963 Yeah, want to have it on 00:29:31.963 --> 00:29:33.133 my notes here so 00:29:33.133 --> 00:29:34.903 that I don't forget about it 00:29:35.109 --> 00:29:35.979 out of sight, out of 00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:38.610 Alan: Tell me about it I mean, especially one of the things I, 00:29:38.710 --> 00:29:42.190 Especially with like a personal project, like this, using something, 00:29:42.190 --> 00:29:46.200 like get to a bud grr as I've been using linear 00:29:46.290 --> 00:29:49.130 for client work we use a linear book trucker. 00:29:49.410 --> 00:29:50.280 That's really Nice. 00:29:50.360 --> 00:29:54.510 That's probably one of the most impressive client side. 00:29:54.965 --> 00:29:55.805 You know, browser apps. 00:29:55.815 --> 00:29:57.785 I mean, there's an application, but it's just react. 00:29:57.835 --> 00:29:59.425 So it just runs electron or whatever. 00:29:59.965 --> 00:30:02.665 It's probably one of the most impressive apps. 00:30:02.695 --> 00:30:05.815 You know, client side had apps, web apps that I've ever used. 00:30:05.815 --> 00:30:07.315 It's really responsive. 00:30:07.345 --> 00:30:09.425 It's super fast. 00:30:09.425 --> 00:30:11.645 It feels like it's incredibly fast. 00:30:11.645 --> 00:30:11.945 It's. 00:30:12.695 --> 00:30:13.705 I don't know what they're doing. 00:30:13.725 --> 00:30:17.235 I want to kind of look into their sinking magic sometimes just 00:30:17.235 --> 00:30:18.885 because it's really well done. 00:30:19.275 --> 00:30:23.935 If anything could convince me that client setups are worth it, Figma 00:30:23.935 --> 00:30:27.445 and linear, probably the two, which are like, wow, that's really good. 00:30:29.380 --> 00:30:33.550 So worth looking at book for personal or you're the only one working on it. 00:30:33.550 --> 00:30:34.420 It feels like 00:30:34.450 --> 00:30:34.600 a 00:30:34.600 --> 00:30:36.220 commodity is like overkill. 00:30:36.220 --> 00:30:36.370 Right? 00:30:37.600 --> 00:30:38.590 I mean, I know I should. 00:30:38.830 --> 00:30:43.620 So I'm actually just using dot plans future features or future plans list for 00:30:43.620 --> 00:30:47.700 that, which means it's got very big, but it also means that it's there on the page. 00:30:47.730 --> 00:30:50.190 Every time I like go to it and say, oh Yeah. 00:30:50.190 --> 00:30:50.490 I need to 00:30:50.490 --> 00:30:51.030 do that stuff. 00:30:51.030 --> 00:30:53.270 So that's actually my my to do list. 00:30:54.064 --> 00:30:57.094 So someone mentioned, I don't think I've mentioned this, but 00:30:57.854 --> 00:31:01.734 someone of my testers as mentioned this idea of doing an auto 00:31:01.734 --> 00:31:08.574 check-in, have I mentioned that?, so it's been, you mentioned it and at first I'm 00:31:08.574 --> 00:31:10.734 like, huh, I don't get it. 00:31:11.034 --> 00:31:13.674 And it's one of those that sits in your head long enough that you're 00:31:13.674 --> 00:31:15.204 like, it's actually quite good idea. 00:31:16.464 --> 00:31:18.444 So his comment 00:31:18.444 --> 00:31:21.954 was during the date, he'll go through you know, in the morning. 00:31:22.779 --> 00:31:27.519 You know, look at today's plans are what's left over from yesterday's plans. 00:31:27.999 --> 00:31:33.909 Add his plans to do going through the day, check them off and then forget about it. 00:31:33.939 --> 00:31:35.769 And the next morning he's like, ah, I didn't check in. 00:31:36.279 --> 00:31:40.629 And he's like, I've if I've changed my plans or the, if I've checked 00:31:40.629 --> 00:31:44.409 stuff off during the day set like an auto check in time, say 6:00 PM. 00:31:45.129 --> 00:31:48.369 Then if it hits 6:00 PM, just, just publish my check-in and I'm like, 00:31:49.659 --> 00:31:51.429 That's quite, that's quite a good idea. 00:31:52.869 --> 00:31:54.279 Cause he was like, well, you've done stuff. 00:31:54.279 --> 00:31:55.539 So therefore publish it. 00:31:55.959 --> 00:31:56.859 And it's like, well, Yeah. 00:31:56.889 --> 00:31:58.599 I mean, I always want to publish it. 00:31:58.689 --> 00:32:03.009 It's just, sometimes I literally were like finished the day and be like, oh, I'll get 00:32:03.009 --> 00:32:05.529 them done and forget to go and check in. 00:32:05.589 --> 00:32:07.899 So he's like, I want it to publish my check-ins every day. 00:32:07.899 --> 00:32:09.129 I just sometimes forget. 00:32:09.369 --> 00:32:13.239 So rather than I've got like an email reminder right now, which I mean, 00:32:13.269 --> 00:32:14.409 who reads their email these days? 00:32:14.409 --> 00:32:14.799 Seriously? 00:32:16.854 --> 00:32:17.094 Mario: Yeah. 00:32:17.539 --> 00:32:19.939 Alan: So he's like, I just want it to check in for me. 00:32:19.939 --> 00:32:23.959 So it's, it's been bouncing around my head for a good few 00:32:23.959 --> 00:32:24.439 weeks now. 00:32:24.439 --> 00:32:27.379 And I'm coming around to the idea that I might add it as an option, 00:32:27.379 --> 00:32:29.359 because to be honest, I do the same. 00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:33.679 I'll go through and, you know, mock stuff is done, but then I'll 00:32:34.089 --> 00:32:36.439 completely forget to actually check in and I'm like, you might 00:32:36.439 --> 00:32:36.709 be onto 00:32:36.709 --> 00:32:37.099 something. 00:32:37.159 --> 00:32:37.429 So. 00:32:39.094 --> 00:32:39.634 Mario: Yeah. 00:32:39.674 --> 00:32:40.094 Yeah. 00:32:40.244 --> 00:32:40.484 Yeah. 00:32:40.484 --> 00:32:42.734 That sounds like a, like a neat feature. 00:32:43.129 --> 00:32:44.169 Alan: And also as 00:32:44.234 --> 00:32:44.684 Mario: There'll be cool. 00:32:45.049 --> 00:32:48.889 Alan: so mentioned here, I've got a Japanese beta tested that's 00:32:48.919 --> 00:32:51.379 I added time-tracking to dot 00:32:51.379 --> 00:32:54.129 plan for as like a an experimental feature. 00:32:54.129 --> 00:32:55.209 So it's really basic. 00:32:55.319 --> 00:33:00.209 You can start and stop a timeout, or you can start a timer attached to a project. 00:33:00.269 --> 00:33:03.179 So you can say I'm looking on this project and then stop it. 00:33:03.179 --> 00:33:04.289 I'm working on another project. 00:33:04.299 --> 00:33:04.679 Stop it. 00:33:06.289 --> 00:33:08.119 And that that works really well. 00:33:08.119 --> 00:33:14.799 It says super simple feature, but it, I, I was on the fence about adding it, but 00:33:15.009 --> 00:33:20.169 I kind of was convinced by him and by a few of the people actually, you know, in 00:33:20.169 --> 00:33:22.419 my business, we need to do that anyway. 00:33:22.629 --> 00:33:26.289 So if it was kind of part of the same product, then it could be useful. 00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:28.149 So I've added that as a. 00:33:29.314 --> 00:33:33.034 An optional feature, you can turn it on or off within the admin. 00:33:33.154 --> 00:33:37.684 So the owner of the account can turn it on or off as a, as a workspace level. 00:33:39.709 --> 00:33:42.349 But this company has requested now. 00:33:42.679 --> 00:33:43.549 It's like, that's great. 00:33:43.579 --> 00:33:49.129 But people are now stopped checking in because they're like, I recorded my time. 00:33:51.139 --> 00:33:55.309 Whereas before they were checking in as like the stop working now, it's 00:33:55.309 --> 00:33:56.539 like, now they're just clicking stop. 00:33:56.809 --> 00:34:01.669 So his suggestion was when you stop, pop up your. 00:34:03.239 --> 00:34:04.739 Your, your plans, right? 00:34:05.099 --> 00:34:08.489 That you have open it's like, do you want to check in, so I kind of have that 00:34:08.489 --> 00:34:13.619 as a two-step stop, as opposed to just stopping it where you stop and it says, 00:34:13.619 --> 00:34:15.629 do you want to check in what you've done? 00:34:15.779 --> 00:34:16.199 Okay. 00:34:16.409 --> 00:34:17.519 Tap, tap, click. 00:34:17.579 --> 00:34:19.019 Those has done like check-in. 00:34:19.449 --> 00:34:22.009 So I'm adding that as well as a see, 00:34:22.009 --> 00:34:26.299 how it works for them because they're quite actively using it. 00:34:26.299 --> 00:34:29.029 So that they're actually it's an interesting test case because 00:34:29.029 --> 00:34:31.819 they seem keen on the idea. 00:34:32.329 --> 00:34:39.079 They're sticky points are parts of the implementation, not technically, 00:34:39.079 --> 00:34:42.759 but just how it fits their Workday. 00:34:43.359 --> 00:34:44.289 And so it's kind of a good. 00:34:44.289 --> 00:34:45.299 test case because they. 00:34:45.299 --> 00:34:51.429 They They want to use it, but they wanted to be as little 00:34:51.429 --> 00:34:52.689 work as possible for it to work. 00:34:52.689 --> 00:34:52.899 Right. 00:34:53.169 --> 00:34:58.419 So it's like, okay, now this is, it's an interesting evolution of that feature 00:34:58.419 --> 00:35:02.719 that is like well, if I'm going to have timecards you know, timing check clock-in 00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:07.689 and clock-out might as well integrate with the plan system itself and make it based 00:35:07.689 --> 00:35:12.849 around that, which was, was the part, which I was not keen on adding timing. 00:35:13.699 --> 00:35:14.254 Too far. 00:35:14.424 --> 00:35:17.604 That's the reason I didn't really want to add that in first place 00:35:17.604 --> 00:35:21.174 was just like, well, that's a separate thing from the check-ins. 00:35:21.174 --> 00:35:21.384 Right. 00:35:21.414 --> 00:35:23.184 But this actually would make 00:35:23.184 --> 00:35:24.354 it part of the check-in. 00:35:25.044 --> 00:35:28.474 So I'm kind of playing around with that as a, as an idea at the 00:35:28.474 --> 00:35:28.864 moment. 00:35:29.044 --> 00:35:31.324 I don't know if I'll make it into it, but. 00:35:32.982 --> 00:35:33.702 Mario: sounds good. 00:35:33.702 --> 00:35:37.212 sounds like it would make the product more useful, I guess, more 00:35:37.688 --> 00:35:38.108 Alan: Integrate. 00:35:38.138 --> 00:35:38.558 Yes. 00:35:38.588 --> 00:35:40.778 It's, it's, it's part of the same thing then. 00:35:40.778 --> 00:35:41.048 right. 00:35:41.172 --> 00:35:41.532 Mario: different 00:35:41.948 --> 00:35:43.118 Alan: And that, that's why I made it an 00:35:43.118 --> 00:35:43.478 optional 00:35:43.478 --> 00:35:45.138 feature is because as I said, 00:35:47.498 --> 00:35:49.708 quite a few of the beta users. 00:35:50.218 --> 00:35:53.638 Because they do client work and client work is more, often, you 00:35:53.638 --> 00:35:55.318 know, they do like agency type stuff. 00:35:55.678 --> 00:35:58.378 More often than not is timed as well. 00:35:58.378 --> 00:36:02.998 You know, so having an idea of how much time has been spent on a product that 00:36:02.998 --> 00:36:05.128 they have to do timekeeping anyway. 00:36:05.548 --> 00:36:05.758 So I 00:36:05.758 --> 00:36:07.858 say, well, if that's kind of built in and 00:36:07.858 --> 00:36:07.978 it 00:36:08.488 --> 00:36:13.858 merges this idea of doing a check-in with recording time as well, then it 00:36:13.858 --> 00:36:15.688 kind of makes that a bit more coherent. 00:36:16.688 --> 00:36:17.108 Mario: Nice. 00:36:17.317 --> 00:36:17.677 Cool. 00:36:17.707 --> 00:36:18.467 well Yeah, 00:36:18.467 --> 00:36:18.677 play 00:36:18.677 --> 00:36:18.827 with 00:36:18.862 --> 00:36:20.992 Alan: Yeah, it's a little bit, I said the whole timing 00:36:21.022 --> 00:36:21.802 thing is kind of an 00:36:21.802 --> 00:36:22.612 experimental 00:36:23.512 --> 00:36:24.322 branch at the moment. 00:36:24.352 --> 00:36:24.682 I mean, it's, 00:36:24.682 --> 00:36:26.572 there and it's, it's in the product, but I'm not, 00:36:27.652 --> 00:36:28.462 I'm not a hundred 00:36:28.462 --> 00:36:28.822 percent 00:36:28.822 --> 00:36:29.242 convinced. 00:36:31.387 --> 00:36:34.297 Mario: Yeah, well, I know how it goes. 00:36:34.297 --> 00:36:37.327 Sometimes it takes a while to really either confirm 00:36:37.427 --> 00:36:38.717 Alan: I mean, this is one of the 00:36:38.767 --> 00:36:43.697 the pros and cons of, of bootstrapping slash not having a, 00:36:44.067 --> 00:36:44.167 A 00:36:44.167 --> 00:36:47.497 separate process of defining 00:36:47.497 --> 00:36:48.977 the product from end to end. 00:36:48.977 --> 00:36:49.187 Right. 00:36:49.217 --> 00:36:53.507 You know, kind of iterating on the product is it is very much a learning process. 00:36:53.507 --> 00:36:53.747 Right. 00:36:53.747 --> 00:36:58.007 You know, it's and again, this is one of the kind of regrets 00:36:58.007 --> 00:37:00.237 of not just making a simpler. 00:37:00.517 --> 00:37:04.317 more known product. 00:37:04.557 --> 00:37:07.557 If I was making a calendaring app or. 00:37:07.557 --> 00:37:09.297 a calendar meeting 00:37:09.297 --> 00:37:11.277 scheduling out, then that's fine. 00:37:11.277 --> 00:37:13.017 I kind of know what it needs to do. 00:37:13.017 --> 00:37:14.547 and it's kind of a defined 00:37:14.547 --> 00:37:14.937 space. 00:37:14.937 --> 00:37:15.177 Right. 00:37:15.177 --> 00:37:18.537 But because it's one of the downsides of making something that 00:37:18.537 --> 00:37:21.597 I am not, I don't know the answers 00:37:21.597 --> 00:37:22.317 to all the questions 00:37:22.317 --> 00:37:22.497 yet. 00:37:24.657 --> 00:37:25.527 Mario: Right, right. 00:37:25.617 --> 00:37:29.157 So there's a lot of exploration and trial and error for sure. 00:37:30.507 --> 00:37:30.867 Alan: You know, 00:37:30.987 --> 00:37:32.637 it's a live alone. 00:37:32.637 --> 00:37:32.847 Right. 00:37:34.797 --> 00:37:35.577 Mario: Yup, yup. 00:37:35.877 --> 00:37:36.057 Alan: So 00:37:36.057 --> 00:37:37.047 what's your next plan on 00:37:37.287 --> 00:37:37.947 the scale? 00:37:37.977 --> 00:37:40.467 Try and get these is there any more new users lined 00:37:40.467 --> 00:37:40.707 up? 00:37:40.777 --> 00:37:41.077 Oh, did 00:37:41.077 --> 00:37:42.277 you get Laurie signed 00:37:42.277 --> 00:37:42.427 up? 00:37:42.637 --> 00:37:43.297 Did he contact you? 00:37:43.737 --> 00:37:44.067 Mario: Yeah. 00:37:44.207 --> 00:37:47.187 I, yes, yes, I did I haven't heard from him. 00:37:47.771 --> 00:37:52.601 Since that, but I, wrote an email to him with some information. 00:37:52.601 --> 00:37:56.831 I gave him the option to do an onboarding call or just for 00:37:56.831 --> 00:37:58.071 him to try it out on his own. 00:37:58.071 --> 00:38:02.756 So I gave him some information just quick, facts about, you know, what 00:38:02.756 --> 00:38:04.346 Fusioncast is and how it works. 00:38:04.346 --> 00:38:08.216 And I gave him a private code invite so that he could, create 00:38:08.216 --> 00:38:10.136 his own account and give it a try. 00:38:10.136 --> 00:38:13.046 So I told him, let me know if you have any questions, or we could do a 00:38:13.046 --> 00:38:16.646 call, and so I haven't heard from him yet, so I don't know if he's had a. 00:38:17.531 --> 00:38:18.641 Yeah, I know. 00:38:18.641 --> 00:38:18.911 Right. 00:38:19.601 --> 00:38:22.301 I don't think he's created an account yet or maybe he did, but 00:38:22.301 --> 00:38:24.101 he hasn't done anything with it. 00:38:24.611 --> 00:38:24.941 Yeah. 00:38:25.211 --> 00:38:26.651 So we'll see. 00:38:26.751 --> 00:38:27.771 I'll reach out to him again. 00:38:28.041 --> 00:38:30.801 I just wanted to give him some time, some space. 00:38:31.391 --> 00:38:34.881 I don't, you know, I don't like to bug people with, you know, 00:38:34.881 --> 00:38:37.851 so just give it some time and but I'll reach out to him to see if he 00:38:37.851 --> 00:38:39.381 has any questions and, we'll go from. 00:38:39.972 --> 00:38:44.954 so I think that's it, really just, on my end, just a, those little changes 00:38:44.954 --> 00:38:46.424 that I've been able to work on. 00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:50.839 And most of it has to do with functionality within the studio. 00:38:50.839 --> 00:38:52.609 mainly just cleaning stuff up. 00:38:52.609 --> 00:38:53.299 So now 00:38:53.299 --> 00:38:57.778 that I have better control of recording, It simplifies a lot of 00:38:57.778 --> 00:38:58.168 things. 00:38:58.168 --> 00:38:59.038 Cause now I don't have 00:38:59.038 --> 00:39:01.468 to say, okay, backup recording is in progress, 00:39:01.583 --> 00:39:01.953 Alan: Yeah. 00:39:01.953 --> 00:39:02.183 Yeah. 00:39:02.183 --> 00:39:02.423 right, 00:39:02.458 --> 00:39:03.718 Mario: not, or, you know, any of 00:39:03.718 --> 00:39:03.928 that. 00:39:03.988 --> 00:39:05.678 Alan: it's either it is recording or isn't, 00:39:05.693 --> 00:39:05.813 right? 00:39:06.313 --> 00:39:06.983 Mario: Exactly. 00:39:06.983 --> 00:39:11.173 And there isn't really a need to emphasize any differences in 00:39:11.173 --> 00:39:11.623 that. 00:39:11.623 --> 00:39:12.373 and so I came to the 00:39:12.373 --> 00:39:13.543 realization also 00:39:13.543 --> 00:39:15.313 that, Indicating when 00:39:15.313 --> 00:39:16.063 Fusioncast is 00:39:16.063 --> 00:39:19.933 uploading is kind of not really necessary, right? 00:39:19.933 --> 00:39:21.283 If it's, recording, 00:39:21.283 --> 00:39:22.603 it is a uploading at the same 00:39:22.708 --> 00:39:23.818 Alan: Recording kind of 00:39:23.923 --> 00:39:24.913 Mario: the system needs to 00:39:24.913 --> 00:39:25.903 know internally. 00:39:25.928 --> 00:39:26.798 Alan: If it's recording, 00:39:26.828 --> 00:39:27.218 it's 00:39:27.218 --> 00:39:28.328 been uploaded, right? 00:39:30.008 --> 00:39:30.848 Mario: Exactly. 00:39:30.848 --> 00:39:31.388 So there's no 00:39:31.388 --> 00:39:35.258 need to be indicating both processes for the user. 00:39:35.288 --> 00:39:36.098 The user doesn't really 00:39:36.098 --> 00:39:37.028 care about that. 00:39:37.028 --> 00:39:37.748 the system needs 00:39:37.748 --> 00:39:39.968 to know internally what's going on and I 00:39:39.968 --> 00:39:40.208 need 00:39:40.208 --> 00:39:44.228 to manage that under the hood, but I don't need to display that 00:39:44.228 --> 00:39:47.618 it's uploading it's enough to say that it's recording and that's it. 00:39:47.894 --> 00:39:52.227 So I'm cleaning a lot of stuff up, like that for example, the microphone 00:39:52.227 --> 00:39:57.687 and camera, when it's on, it's on, you can tell it doesn't need to have 00:39:57.687 --> 00:40:00.477 a green icon indicating that it's on. 00:40:00.477 --> 00:40:04.457 if it's muted, then it'll display a little red microphone, but if 00:40:04.457 --> 00:40:06.257 it's not muted, it's just nothing. 00:40:06.307 --> 00:40:10.387 And then the camera is even easier because if the camera is on, you can see it. 00:40:11.017 --> 00:40:14.347 And if it's, you know, if it's disabled, then. 00:40:14.347 --> 00:40:15.487 You can see it as well. 00:40:15.967 --> 00:40:18.577 It's a black, you know, frame. 00:40:18.607 --> 00:40:22.237 So, so there's really no need for that. 00:40:22.237 --> 00:40:22.777 So I'm, I'm 00:40:22.777 --> 00:40:24.007 just removing redundant 00:40:24.007 --> 00:40:26.257 stuff and simplifying and that's based on feedback 00:40:26.307 --> 00:40:30.387 Alan: I like that because yeah, the, the, I'm just saying recording, like evenly, 00:40:30.387 --> 00:40:31.947 a backup and local recovery in progress. 00:40:31.947 --> 00:40:32.037 you 00:40:32.037 --> 00:40:33.207 just you're recording. 00:40:33.267 --> 00:40:33.627 That's it. 00:40:33.627 --> 00:40:33.867 Right. 00:40:34.107 --> 00:40:35.577 Same with the upload cloud upload. 00:40:35.577 --> 00:40:35.937 It's just 00:40:35.997 --> 00:40:36.537 recording. 00:40:37.437 --> 00:40:38.337 Mario: yeah, exactly. 00:40:38.337 --> 00:40:40.339 So, you know, uploading is. 00:40:40.339 --> 00:40:40.549 by 00:40:40.734 --> 00:40:43.554 Alan: is, it's an implementation detail though, that you need to know, but your 00:40:43.554 --> 00:40:43.914 user 00:40:44.214 --> 00:40:45.384 just needs to know it's recording, 00:40:45.384 --> 00:40:45.654 right? 00:40:47.419 --> 00:40:48.409 Mario: exactly. 00:40:48.409 --> 00:40:48.679 Yeah. 00:40:48.679 --> 00:40:50.299 Again, I don't know what I was thinking 00:40:50.299 --> 00:40:50.449 when 00:40:50.459 --> 00:40:52.829 Alan: funny because it makes sense when You say it, but I've never 00:40:52.829 --> 00:40:53.579 really questioned it. 00:40:53.609 --> 00:40:57.146 Just knowing that those, this is one of the really difficult things about 00:40:57.146 --> 00:41:00.506 being too close to your prototype because you expose things which a lot 00:41:00.506 --> 00:41:00.626 of the 00:41:00.626 --> 00:41:01.406 time your users 00:41:01.676 --> 00:41:03.316 don't care on need to know about. 00:41:03.356 --> 00:41:03.596 Right. 00:41:03.626 --> 00:41:05.786 But you're like, well, it does this. 00:41:05.786 --> 00:41:07.106 I need to tell you it's doing this 00:41:08.851 --> 00:41:09.121 Mario: Yeah. 00:41:11.101 --> 00:41:11.461 Yeah. 00:41:11.611 --> 00:41:13.181 Yeah let's see, what else? 00:41:13.211 --> 00:41:13.541 Oh yeah. 00:41:13.571 --> 00:41:14.111 I wouldn't even 00:41:14.111 --> 00:41:16.151 have, at the top, in the center where it 00:41:16.151 --> 00:41:21.101 says backup recording, it's not gonna, there won't be anything there at all. 00:41:21.371 --> 00:41:24.011 And just every video frame we'll 00:41:24.011 --> 00:41:24.521 have 00:41:24.881 --> 00:41:25.881 recording, you know, 00:41:25.911 --> 00:41:26.861 on the top 00:41:26.861 --> 00:41:28.011 Alan: You could move the timer 00:41:28.601 --> 00:41:29.406 middle maybe. 00:41:30.021 --> 00:41:30.651 Mario: Yeah, I 00:41:30.651 --> 00:41:31.491 could move that. 00:41:31.491 --> 00:41:32.451 I thought about that. 00:41:32.601 --> 00:41:33.801 maybe Yeah. 00:41:33.831 --> 00:41:34.071 Put it 00:41:34.071 --> 00:41:34.161 in 00:41:34.161 --> 00:41:34.221 the 00:41:34.226 --> 00:41:37.616 Alan: That's a useful, maybe it's a useful thing to, to 00:41:37.616 --> 00:41:38.066 know. 00:41:38.126 --> 00:41:41.126 and it always, I always look for it and it's always 00:41:41.126 --> 00:41:41.456 over there 00:41:43.691 --> 00:41:44.051 Mario: Yeah. 00:41:44.081 --> 00:41:44.261 So 00:41:44.261 --> 00:41:45.761 if it's in the center, it will be easier to 00:41:45.761 --> 00:41:46.301 find. 00:41:46.656 --> 00:41:47.166 Alan: I like that. 00:41:47.196 --> 00:41:47.626 That's 00:41:47.706 --> 00:41:48.216 Mario: Okay, cool 00:41:48.216 --> 00:41:49.226 Alan: That's a nice idea. 00:41:50.092 --> 00:41:53.872 Mario: I've been working on a bug that I found if you switch 00:41:53.902 --> 00:41:55.282 cameras in the middle 00:41:55.282 --> 00:41:56.932 of a session, for example, 00:41:56.932 --> 00:41:58.792 it'll change the camera. 00:41:58.792 --> 00:42:02.182 To the rest of the participants in the session. 00:42:02.182 --> 00:42:07.612 It'll, reflect that change to everyone, but not on your, on your own, it'll 00:42:07.612 --> 00:42:10.252 still show the video input from the 00:42:10.282 --> 00:42:11.062 previous camera. 00:42:12.052 --> 00:42:16.522 A little complicated to fix that and I haven't had much time for that. 00:42:16.522 --> 00:42:20.161 So it's going a little slow, but as I ease into 00:42:20.161 --> 00:42:25.591 my new job, I think I'll have more mental, bandwidth to, work, 00:42:25.591 --> 00:42:26.911 late in the night or, 00:42:27.281 --> 00:42:29.246 Alan: No the first, first few weeks were always 00:42:29.246 --> 00:42:29.606 just 00:42:30.806 --> 00:42:33.836 exhausting, just because there's so much new stuff to, take in. 00:42:33.836 --> 00:42:36.536 And, you know, if you want to make a good impression and it's 00:42:36.536 --> 00:42:40.376 just getting to know like the, the boundaries of you 00:42:40.376 --> 00:42:41.966 know, just expectations 00:42:41.966 --> 00:42:42.686 and things like that. 00:42:42.686 --> 00:42:46.016 So, yeah, it's, it's always hard for the first few weeks, so I'm not gonna, I'm 00:42:46.016 --> 00:42:47.156 not going to give you any grief about 00:42:47.156 --> 00:42:47.306 that. 00:42:48.306 --> 00:42:48.816 No problem. 00:42:49.026 --> 00:42:49.596 I'll let you off. 00:42:52.261 --> 00:42:52.741 Mario: All right. 00:42:54.036 --> 00:42:54.276 Alan: Cool. 00:42:54.396 --> 00:42:54.726 I'm glad. 00:42:54.726 --> 00:42:55.206 It's going well, 00:42:55.441 --> 00:42:55.981 Mario: Cool. 00:42:56.041 --> 00:42:57.571 Well, yeah, that's all we have, I 00:42:57.571 --> 00:42:57.961 guess. 00:42:57.991 --> 00:42:58.771 Maybe it's a good time 00:42:58.771 --> 00:42:59.361 to wrap it up. 00:42:59.961 --> 00:43:00.441 All right. 00:43:00.471 --> 00:43:00.721 Have a 00:43:00.721 --> 00:43:00.851 good 00:43:00.851 --> 00:43:01.756 Alan: Talk to you later. 00:43:01.896 --> 00:43:02.266 Cheers man