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Evan: Welcome to Daily Paper Cast.

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Ashley: Today's paper is from the Hugging Face daily paper list, October 28, 2026, and has received 46 upvotes.

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Evan: The title of the paper is 'CodeCap-Bench: Can Code Serve as a Good Video Caption?'.

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Ashley: The first two authors are Jiafu Tang and Yifan Xu, and the corresponding author is Jiaheng Liu from Nanjing University.

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Evan: Ashley, can you give us some background on video captioning and the objectives of this paper?

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Ashley: Sure, Evan.

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Video captioning is a process aimed at preserving visual information in videos through compact descriptions.

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Traditional methods mainly use natural language to describe objects, attributes, actions, and events.

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While this approach is effective to some extent, it struggles with capturing fine-grained spatial structures and temporal dynamics.

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Evan: Right, lengthy and complex natural language descriptions can sometimes lead to ambiguities.

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How does the paper propose to address these issues?

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Ashley: Exactly.

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The paper explores an innovative approach called Code as Video Caption, where executable programs are used to represent visual content.

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This paradigm leverages graphical primitives, layout rules, and functions of time to create compact and precise representations of video information.

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Evan: Interesting.

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So, what advantages does code have over natural language descriptions in this context?

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Ashley: There are three key advantages.

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First, code captures rule-based spatial structure.

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For example, in a flight seat-selection interface, grid rules can specify seat positions and spacing, while shared drawing functions define seat geometry.

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This compactly represents repeated elements and their spatial relationships.

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Evan: Got it, and what about temporal dynamics?

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Ashley: Second, code supports computable temporal evolution.

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In natural language, describing motion like 'scrolling down' can be vague.

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With code, time functions can specify intervals, displacements, and easing functions, making it possible to compute the scroll position at any intermediate time.

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Evan: Makes sense.

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And the third advantage?

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Ashley: The third advantage is that code provides an executable visual specification.

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Conditional logic can precisely indicate how visual states change, such as when a seat changes color or when a selection mark appears.

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Executing these rules can directly produce the corresponding visual states, allowing for direct comparison between rendered and reference videos.

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Evan: That's quite compelling.

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How does the paper plan to evaluate the effectiveness of code captions compared to natural language captions?

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Ashley: Good question.

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The paper proposes using downstream tasks like question answering and video reconstruction to compare the effectiveness of code captions with natural language captions.

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They hypothesize that code captions will achieve superior reasoning accuracy and reconstruction fidelity.

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Evan: And which models are used to generate these code captions?

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Ashley: To systematically assess this capability, the paper introduces CodeCap-Bench, a benchmark comprising 323 videos spanning five categories of structured 2D content.

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This includes desktop and application interfaces, 2D games, visual design and media animation, data and scientific visualization, and icons and abstract motion graphics.

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Evan: What kind of annotations and evaluation frameworks are used?

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Ashley: The benchmark includes fine-grained annotations and a multi-level evaluation framework.

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This framework covers global visual similarity, object-level spatio-temporal intersection over union, and fine-grained visual information retention.

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These dimensions systematically assess how well the models preserve visual appearance, spatial structure, and temporal dynamics through executable code.

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Evan: So, what do the experiments reveal about the capabilities of current multimodal large language models?

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Ashley: Extensive experiments reveal that while leading proprietary models demonstrate promising code captioning capabilities, they still struggle to faithfully capture complex temporal dynamics.

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In contrast, open-source models lag substantially behind.

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Evan: It sounds like there's a lot of potential but also significant challenges ahead.

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What are the main contributions of the paper?

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Ashley: The paper's main contributions can be summarized as follows: first, they explore Code as Video Caption, investigating executable code as a complementary representation for preserving fine-grained visual information, spatial structure, and temporal dynamics.

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Second, they introduce CodeCap-Bench, a benchmark with detailed evaluations of code captioning capabilities across diverse structured 2D videos.

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Third, they conduct extensive evaluations revealing the strengths and limitations of current models in generating faithful code captions, providing empirical evidence to help connect video understanding with programmatic generation.

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Evan: That wraps up the introduction section of the paper.

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Stay tuned for more details as we dive deeper into the methods and experiments in the next segments.

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Evan: Let's dive into the Method section of the paper, Ashley.

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What does CodeCap-Bench specifically aim to achieve with its approach to video captioning?

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Ashley: CodeCap-Bench aims to systematically evaluate the ability of multimodal large language models, or MLLMs, to generate faithful code captions for videos.

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The benchmark focuses on structured 2D videos, where visual details, spatial layouts, and temporal dynamics can be effectively represented programmatically.

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Evan: What kind of tasks do the authors propose using to analyze these capabilities?

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Ashley: The tasks proposed include recreating videos from code captions and comparing them with the original videos in terms of visual similarity, object-level spatio-temporal intersection over union, and fine-grained visual information retention.

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Evan: Could you break down each of these evaluation metrics for us?

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Ashley: Sure.

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Visual similarity measures the overall consistency in visual content, appearance, and motion patterns between reference and rendered videos.

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Object-level spatio-temporal IoU evaluates how well key objects are aligned in space and time between the reference and generated videos.

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Fine-grained visual information retention assesses how accurately important static and dynamic visual details are preserved.

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Evan: That makes sense.

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How is the data for CodeCap-Bench collected and annotated?

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Ashley: The data is collected from various public platforms like Bilibili, YouTube, Behance, and Vimeo.

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It consists of five categories of structured 2D content: desktop and application interfaces, 2D games, visual design and media animation, data and scientific visualization, and icons and abstract motion graphics.

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Candidate videos are filtered by scene geometry, appearance complexity, and motion structure to focus on content amenable to programmatic representation.

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Evan: And what kind of annotations are done for these videos?

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Ashley: There are two types of annotations: focal-point annotations and object-level spatio-temporal annotations.

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Focal-point annotations identify key static features or dynamic processes with descriptions and corresponding timestamps.

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Object-level annotations provide visible intervals and per-frame bounding boxes of key objects, which undergo human review for accuracy and consistency.

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Evan: This sounds quite detailed.

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Moving on to the experimental setup, what models and generation settings are used in the evaluations?

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Ashley: The paper evaluates seven MLLMs: GPT-6-astra, GPT-6-sol, GPT-5.6-sol, Qwen3.8-max, DeepSeek-v4.1-flash, Opus-5, and Gemini-3.8-flash.

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These are tested in two settings: agentic and non-agentic.

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Agentic generation allows models to inspect reference frames, use tools, and iteratively refine the code using rendering feedback.

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Non-agentic generation involves generating code in a single pass from sampled frames without iterative refinement.

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Evan: What differences were found between these settings?

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Ashley: Agentic generation consistently improves video production success rates but does not always enhance code caption fidelity.

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The benefits of agentic generation for code fidelity depend on the specific model and configuration used.

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Evan: Fascinating.

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So how does thinking effort impact the results?

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Ashley: Increasing thinking effort generally improves code caption fidelity, but its impact varies by model.

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For instance, GPT-6-sol shows significant gains in object-level spatio-temporal IoU and visual information retention when thinking effort is increased from medium to high, albeit at a considerably higher computational cost.

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Evan: What about the generation cost and efficiency in this process?

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Ashley: Higher monetary cost doesn't consistently translate into better caption fidelity.

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Models like GPT-6-astra achieve high visual information retention at a lower estimated cost compared to others like Opus-5, which scores lower despite higher costs.

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Additionally, runtime efficiency varies significantly, with some lower-cost models consuming more time and tokens than their higher-cost counterparts.

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Evan: Interesting.

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Does the paper discuss tool usage patterns among different models?

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Ashley: Yes, it does.

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Tool usage patterns vary significantly.

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For example, GPT-6-sol and GPT-5.6-sol allocate roughly half their tool calls to viewing reference frames, while Gemini-3.8-flash focuses more on frame extraction and analysis.

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The total number of tool calls also differs, which impacts how models distribute their efforts across observation, analysis, and rendering feedback.

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Evan: How do the evaluation metrics from the model align with human judgment?

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Ashley: The paper validates its evaluation metrics by comparing scores assigned by models with those from human annotators.

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For example, GPT-6-sol's evaluation scores correlate strongly with human judgments, indicating the reliability and validity of MLLM-based assessments in measuring visual information retention.

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Evan: Can you provide an example of how these models generate and refine code captions during the evaluation?

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Ashley: Certainly.

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One example is illustrated in the paper where GPT-6-astra uses the Codex harness to generate a code caption for a bubble chart video.

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The model separates static elements from dynamic objects, uses color segmentation to estimate bubble centers and radii, and tracks the pointer using template matching.

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It then integrates these measurements and adjusts errors based on rendering feedback, effectively capturing structured spatio-temporal information.

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Evan: That’s a great example of how these models work.

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How do code captions compare with natural language captions in terms of task performance?

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Ashley: Code captions perform better in both question answering and video reconstruction tasks.

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For instance, in a comparison using 100 videos with QA annotations, code-rendered videos achieved higher accuracy across various models.

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Similarly, in video reconstruction tasks, code captions consistently achieved higher scores in appearance similarity, motion pattern similarity, and keyframe structural similarity compared to natural language captions.

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Evan: That's impressive.

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So we see that code captions offer significant improvements.

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What's the broader implication of these findings?

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Ashley: The broader implication is that executable code can serve as a more effective representation for video captioning, especially for tasks requiring fine-grained visual information and temporal dynamics.

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However, generating accurate code captions remains challenging, highlighting areas for further research and development in multimodal large language models.

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Evan: So that's the end of the Method section.

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We've covered the key points of how CodeCap-Bench evaluates and improves video captioning through executable code.

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Stay tuned for more insights as we explore the experimental results and discussions in the next segments.

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Evan: Now, let's move on to the Experiment and Results section of the paper.

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Ashley, what does the paper say about the experimental setup and key findings?

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Ashley: The paper conducts extensive experiments to evaluate how effectively multimodal large language models, or MLLMs, can generate code captions that preserve fine-grained visual details, spatial structures, and temporal dynamics.

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The models evaluated include GPT-6-astra, GPT-6-sol, GPT-5.6-sol, Qwen3.8-max, DeepSeek-v4.1-flash, Opus-5, and Gemini-3.8-flash under two main settings: agentic and non-agentic generation.

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Evan: What are the differences between agentic and non-agentic generation settings?

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Ashley: Agentic generation allows models to inspect reference frames using tools, generate executable code, and iteratively refine their implementations based on rendering feedback.

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Non-agentic generation, on the other hand, involves producing code in a single pass from sampled video frames without iterative refinement.

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Evan: So let's talk about the main results.

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How do these models perform in generating code captions?

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Ashley: Sure.

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The main results reveal that GPT-6-astra leads the way in both agentic and non-agentic settings with the highest overall fine-grained visual information retention.

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For example, GPT-6-astra with Codex harness achieves 73.24 in overall retention and 75.37 in object-level spatio-temporal intersection over union.

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This outperforms the next-best model, Opus-5 with Pi Agent, by a substantial margin.

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Evan: Interesting.

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Do all models perform equally well?

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Ashley: Definitely not.

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There are considerable differences in performance across models.

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For instance, GPT-6-sol also achieves a high video production success rate but scores lower in overall retention compared to GPT-6-astra.

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Specifically, GPT-6-sol with Codex harness shows a 100% success rate but only 51.34 in overall retention.

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Evan: What about the preservation of dynamic visual information versus static content?

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Ashley: Across all evaluated settings, dynamic visual information is consistently less faithfully preserved than static content.

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For example, GPT-6-astra with Codex scores 80.72 in static retention but only 68.61 in dynamic retention.

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This pattern highlights the difficulty of accurately capturing temporal dynamics through executable code.

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Evan: How does increasing thinking effort affect the results?

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Ashley: Increasing thinking effort generally improves code caption fidelity, but this comes with higher computational costs.

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For instance, raising the thinking effort for GPT-6-sol from medium to high boosts object-level spatio-temporal IoU from 50.42 to 67.13 and visual retention from 47.53 to 63.29.

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However, the average generation cost jumps significantly from USD 0.315 to USD 1.409.

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Evan: That's quite a trade-off.

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What does the paper say about the relation between generation cost and efficiency?

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Ashley: The relationship between cost and efficiency doesn't always correspond to better performance.

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For instance, GPT-6-astra achieves high visual retention scores at lower estimated costs compared to Opus-5, which incurs higher costs but scores lower.

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Furthermore, runtime efficiency varies, with some lower-cost models taking more time and consuming more tokens than their higher-cost counterparts.

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Evan: Does tool usage among different models impact their performance?

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Ashley: Yes, tool usage patterns vary significantly.

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Models like GPT-6-sol and GPT-5.6-sol devote about half of their tool calls to viewing reference frames, while Gemini-3.8-flash emphasizes frame extraction.

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The total number of tool calls also varies, impacting how models distribute their efforts across observation, analysis, and rendering feedback.

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Evan: How reliable are the evaluation metrics used in the paper?

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Ashley: The paper validates its evaluation metrics by comparing model-assigned scores with human judgments.

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For instance, evaluation scores from GPT-6-sol correlate strongly with human assessments, with a Pearson correlation coefficient of 0.942, showing high reliability and validity.

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Evan: Can you provide a concrete example of the model's code generation process?

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Ashley: One detailed example illustrates how GPT-6-astra uses the Codex harness to generate a code caption for a bubble chart video.

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It starts by segmenting static elements from dynamic objects, uses color analysis to estimate bubble centers and radii, and employs template matching to track the pointer.

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These measurements are then combined with the fixed layout to generate the animation, adjusting errors based on rendering feedback.

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Evan: That's a great example.

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How do code captions compare to natural language captions in practical tasks?

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Ashley: Code captions outperform natural language captions in both question answering and video reconstruction tasks.

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For instance, in a comparison using 100 videos with QA annotations, code-rendered videos achieved higher accuracy across various models.

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Similarly, in video reconstruction tasks, code captions consistently achieved higher scores in appearance similarity, motion pattern similarity, and keyframe structural similarity.

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Evan: That's quite impressive.

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What’s the broader implication of these findings?

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Ashley: The broader implication is that executable code serves as a more effective representation for video captioning, especially for tasks requiring fine-grained visual information and temporal dynamics.

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However, there are challenges in generating accurate code captions, indicating areas for further research and development in multimodal large language models.

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Evan: So that wraps up the Experiment section.

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We've covered how CodeCap-Bench evaluates video captioning through executable code and the significant findings and implications of this approach.

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Stay tuned for more details in the next segments as we dive deeper into the paper's discussion and conclusions.

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Evan: Let's dive into the Related Work section of the paper.

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Ashley, can you give us an overview of the existing research that this paper builds upon?

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Ashley: Evan.

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The paper situates itself within a broad landscape of research focused on video captioning, fine-grained visual information retention, and code-based representations.

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Evan: What aspects of video captioning have recent studies emphasized?

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Ashley: Recent studies on video captioning have increasingly emphasized capturing fine-grained visual details beyond high-level semantic summaries.

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For instance, projects like DREAM-1K, VDC, and CaReBench have provided detailed descriptions of events, actions, and motion, focusing on structuring captions around objects, backgrounds, and camera motions.

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Evan: And how has video caption evaluation evolved in these studies?

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Ashley: Evaluation methods have shifted towards assessing how well visual information is preserved rather than solely focusing on text similarity.

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Metrics such as VDCscore and VidCapBench use reference-caption-derived question-answer pairs, while CapQuiz adopts multiple-choice questions to evaluate the efficacy of captions.

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Evan: It sounds like there has been significant progress in evaluating natural language captions.

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How does CodeCap-Bench differ in its approach?

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Ashley: CodeCap-Bench differs by evaluating executable code captions rather than natural language video descriptions.

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This is done through rendered videos, measuring visual fidelity in terms of overall similarity, object-level spatio-temporal intersection over union, and fine-grained visual information retention.

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Evan: Are there studies that focus on reconstructing visual content through executable code?

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Ashley: Yes, several studies have explored the concept of reconstructing visual content through code.

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For static images, projects like Design2Code, ChartMimic, and Image2Struct evaluate code generation from various sources such as webpage screenshots, scientific charts, and images of structured content.

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For videos, studies like Animation2Code and BVB focus on metric evaluations of generated animations from web interfaces and indoor videos, respectively.

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Evan: So these existing works set the groundwork for CodeCap-Bench.

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How does this benchmark expand on these previous studies?

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Ashley: CodeCap-Bench expands on these studies by offering a comprehensive benchmark for evaluating multimodal large language models using diverse structured 2D videos.

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It emphasizes fine-grained visual information and spatio-temporal fidelity in addition to providing detailed annotations and multi-level evaluation frameworks to systematically assess the preservation of visual content through executable code.

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Evan: How does the paper relate to previous benchmarks specifically for coding-based video reconstructions?

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Ashley: While previous benchmarks have focused on specific domains, like static SVG representations or HTML-based animations, CodeCap-Bench evaluates across diverse structured 2D content categories, offering a broader and more granular assessment of the code captioning capabilities of MLLMs.

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Evan: What are some of the specific categories of videos included in CodeCap-Bench?

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Ashley: CodeCap-Bench includes five key video categories: desktop and application interfaces, 2D games, visual design and media animation, data and scientific visualization, and icons and abstract motion graphics.

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These categories encompass a variety of dynamic and static content, creating a diverse testbed for evaluating the models.

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Evan: It's clear that CodeCap-Bench provides a more holistic evaluation framework compared to existing benchmarks.

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How does this contribute to connecting video understanding with programmatic generation?

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Ashley: By systematically evaluating code captions, CodeCap-Bench bridges video understanding and programmatic generation.

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The fine-grained annotations and multi-level metrics help identify where current models excel and where they fall short, providing empirical insights that inform further advancements in multimodal large language models.

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Evan: So, it seems CodeCap-Bench offers a significant step forward in understanding and improving code-based video captioning.

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Is there anything else notable about how this paper situates itself within the existing research?

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Ashley: The paper also contextualizes its contributions by drawing connections to other relevant studies in fine-grained video captioning and code-based visual information preservation.

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It recognizes the strengths of past research, while clearly outlining the unique contributions and the expanded scope that CodeCap-Bench brings to the table.

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Evan: Great summary, Ashley.

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That wraps up the Related Work section.

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We've explored how CodeCap-Bench builds on and expands existing research in video captioning and code-based visual content generation.

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Stay tuned as we dive into more discussion and conclusions in the next segments.

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Evan: Let's move to the final part of our podcast where we summarize the key contributions and takeaways from today's paper.

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Ashley: Evan.

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To recap, the paper 'CodeCap-Bench: Can Code Serve as a Good Video Caption?' makes significant strides in the field of video captioning by introducing a novel approach where executable code serves as a complementary representation for video content.

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This method addresses the limitations of natural language in capturing fine-grained spatial structures and temporal dynamics.

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Evan: Indeed, and how does CodeCap-Bench contribute to evaluating this new approach?

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Ashley: CodeCap-Bench is a comprehensive benchmark that systematically assesses the code captioning capabilities of multimodal large language models, or MLLMs.

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It features 323 videos across five categories of structured 2D content, providing fine-grained annotations and a multi-level evaluation framework to measure visual similarity, object-level spatio-temporal intersection over union, and fine-grained visual information retention.

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Evan: One of the standout findings from the paper is how code captions compared to traditional natural language captions, right?

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Ashley: Yes, that's correct.

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The paper’s experiments show that code captions generally outperform natural language captions in tasks such as question answering and video reconstruction.

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This suggests that executable code can more effectively preserve and utilize fine-grained video information.

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Evan: However, the paper also highlights certain challenges.

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What are these?

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Ashley: Despite the promising capabilities of code captions, current MLLMs, including leading proprietary models, still struggle to faithfully capture complex temporal dynamics.

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This indicates significant room for improvement and further research in the area.

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Evan: Got it.

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So, what is the broader implication of these findings for future research in video captioning?

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Ashley: The broader implication is that executable code can serve as a highly effective representation for video captioning, highlighting the potential for improved video understanding and generation.

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These findings pave the way for future advancements in multimodal large language models and structured video representations.

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Evan: That's a comprehensive summary, Ashley.

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It’s clear that CodeCap-Bench offers valuable insights for the field of video captioning.

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Ashley: Evan.

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And that brings us to the end of today's episode.

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We hope you found the discussion on 'CodeCap-Bench: Can Code Serve as a Good Video Caption?' insightful.

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Evan: Thank you for tuning in.

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Be sure to join us next time as we continue to explore cutting-edge research from the Hugging Face daily paper list.

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Until then, keep pushing the boundaries of knowledge!

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Ashley: Goodbye and stay curious.