WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:06.659 --> 00:00:07.229 Matt: Hi, Alison. 00:00:07.229 --> 00:00:08.549 Alison: Hey, Matt. 00:00:09.569 --> 00:00:10.349 Matt: How's it going? 00:00:10.499 --> 00:00:13.689 Is this the second episode of ADHd20? 00:00:13.709 --> 00:00:15.779 A podcast about ADHD. 00:00:16.289 --> 00:00:17.459 And Dungeons & Dragons? 00:00:19.289 --> 00:00:19.949 I think it is. 00:00:20.399 --> 00:00:21.069 I think it is. 00:00:21.079 --> 00:00:21.999 How has your week been? 00:00:22.379 --> 00:00:22.876 Alison: Good. 00:00:22.876 --> 00:00:26.296 It's for me the last week before I take a little vacay. 00:00:26.308 --> 00:00:31.223 Which means that there's lots to do and not, you know, more time to do it in. 00:00:31.223 --> 00:00:34.253 So focus has been at a premium. 00:00:34.493 --> 00:00:36.143 But we've gotten through it together. 00:00:36.773 --> 00:00:37.043 Matt: Yup. 00:00:37.343 --> 00:00:37.503 Yup. 00:00:37.503 --> 00:00:43.101 It is times like those where I feel like either the hyper-focus 00:00:43.101 --> 00:00:44.970 happens more, or it fails you. 00:00:48.000 --> 00:00:52.460 I think this could be an interesting segue into the thing about talking about today, 00:00:52.460 --> 00:00:56.160 but, I have dipped my feet into TikTok. 00:00:56.260 --> 00:00:57.550 Alison: This is news. 00:00:57.860 --> 00:01:01.120 Matt: I mean, honestly, it's via YouTube actually. 00:01:01.134 --> 00:01:04.067 It's the Shorts, I rarely open up the TikTok app. 00:01:04.247 --> 00:01:05.177 And why is that? 00:01:05.417 --> 00:01:09.937 Well, there is a part of me that ever since I was little, I don't 00:01:09.937 --> 00:01:11.767 like things that are cool or popular. 00:01:11.957 --> 00:01:16.427 That's why TikTok has been a slow burn for me. 00:01:16.428 --> 00:01:21.967 But I have been watching specifically # ADHD TikToks. 00:01:22.757 --> 00:01:26.170 Alison: The #ADHD TikTok content is chef's kiss. 00:01:26.330 --> 00:01:26.620 Matt: It is! 00:01:27.135 --> 00:01:28.314 Alison: 100 underline, underline. 00:01:28.434 --> 00:01:29.094 So good. 00:01:29.364 --> 00:01:30.384 Matt: It's really helpful. 00:01:30.414 --> 00:01:31.074 It's really helpful. 00:01:31.104 --> 00:01:33.444 And there's this one, she's a doctor. 00:01:33.804 --> 00:01:35.364 And can't remember her name. 00:01:35.471 --> 00:01:39.488 One of the things was like waiting for hyper-focus to kick in. 00:01:40.668 --> 00:01:42.438 I was like, oh my God, it's so true. 00:01:42.678 --> 00:01:47.358 Because I will go through an entire day, an entire morning, 00:01:48.288 --> 00:01:50.358 and go, oh, I can't do anything. 00:01:50.388 --> 00:01:50.538 Oh. 00:01:50.748 --> 00:01:51.798 I'm just lost. 00:01:51.798 --> 00:01:54.988 I'm just, and then like one at one or two o'clock comes around. 00:01:55.708 --> 00:01:57.505 And I'm don't stop until seven. 00:01:57.555 --> 00:01:59.205 A joyful thing sometimes. 00:01:59.535 --> 00:02:01.586 It's also a concerning thing, but it. 00:02:01.658 --> 00:02:02.348 in her tick-tock. 00:02:02.768 --> 00:02:04.208 She was saying it was a joyful thing. 00:02:04.208 --> 00:02:05.172 And I saw that. 00:02:06.222 --> 00:02:06.522 Yeah. 00:02:07.032 --> 00:02:08.742 Alison: I'm going to have to compare lists with you. 00:02:08.982 --> 00:02:10.302 Interestingly enough, it. 00:02:10.662 --> 00:02:11.502 So I was, yeah. 00:02:11.772 --> 00:02:14.442 Another app you don't love to hop onto if you don't have to. 00:02:14.712 --> 00:02:16.692 I was scrolling through Facebook this morning. 00:02:16.722 --> 00:02:20.742 I like to look at my memories and just see where I was at a 00:02:20.742 --> 00:02:22.392 year, two years, 10 years ago. 00:02:22.572 --> 00:02:24.702 It was one year ago today. 00:02:24.972 --> 00:02:29.802 That I wrote a love letter to TikTok via Facebook. 00:02:29.922 --> 00:02:30.642 Matt: Wow. 00:02:30.642 --> 00:02:35.082 Alison: To basically announce publicly I'm all in on this app. 00:02:35.091 --> 00:02:35.498 Yeah. 00:02:36.548 --> 00:02:36.968 So 00:02:36.968 --> 00:02:37.058 Matt: You… 00:02:37.058 --> 00:02:38.828 Alison: Interesting that you're bringing this up today. 00:02:38.948 --> 00:02:40.178 Matt: Well, okay. 00:02:40.448 --> 00:02:42.218 We don't need to go down a huge rabbit hole. 00:02:43.328 --> 00:02:49.484 But, my, my problem still with TikTok is that I don't like, or I 00:02:49.484 --> 00:02:56.384 don't understand the point of the whole here is someone else's song 00:02:56.414 --> 00:02:58.004 and I'm going to lip sync to it. 00:02:58.334 --> 00:02:59.534 And it's going to mean something else. 00:02:59.624 --> 00:03:03.164 It just, it doesn't feel like anything to me. 00:03:03.214 --> 00:03:06.851 You know, You're a great dancer or you're pretty, or you're, 00:03:06.851 --> 00:03:08.964 funny or whatever, but I don't. 00:03:10.084 --> 00:03:11.404 I don't get it though. 00:03:11.484 --> 00:03:16.434 I love the ones where it's like, Hey, here's a little, here's a little tip. 00:03:16.474 --> 00:03:17.224 Take a bucket. 00:03:17.584 --> 00:03:21.674 Or a basket, and go through your entire house and put everything that's out on 00:03:21.674 --> 00:03:25.969 the table and on the couches and all the clothes and just dump them in this basket. 00:03:26.689 --> 00:03:30.649 And then the basket gets full and then you put those things away. 00:03:31.129 --> 00:03:35.779 That's an amazing ADHD tip and it works for me. 00:03:36.109 --> 00:03:37.542 And I don't know who she is. 00:03:37.592 --> 00:03:38.682 She's somebody's mom. 00:03:38.832 --> 00:03:40.842 She doesn't sing along and she doesn't dance. 00:03:40.842 --> 00:03:44.772 I mean, it's like, it's just, that's the kind of stuff, I'm like, oh, okay. 00:03:45.372 --> 00:03:45.592 Okay. 00:03:45.622 --> 00:03:46.032 I get that. 00:03:46.122 --> 00:03:49.362 Alison: The one, if we're talking about the same one, she is amazing. 00:03:49.602 --> 00:03:53.974 She has been a huge part of my TikTok journey, and ADHD coaching. 00:03:53.974 --> 00:03:57.604 And one of the other things that she has me kind of turned on to is the 00:03:57.604 --> 00:03:59.854 nightly reset is kind of her big thing. 00:04:00.334 --> 00:04:03.574 Where it's not about getting it, you know? 00:04:03.844 --> 00:04:08.284 Right for other people, it's about making life easier for you tomorrow. 00:04:08.764 --> 00:04:09.934 And she sets a timer. 00:04:09.934 --> 00:04:12.394 You get like, she gets, you know, 20 minutes to, you know, 00:04:12.514 --> 00:04:14.344 air quote, reset the kitchen. 00:04:14.734 --> 00:04:18.464 And she has, you know, steps she goes through that they're the same every night. 00:04:18.464 --> 00:04:21.554 So she doesn't have to sit there in analysis paralysis of like, what do I do? 00:04:21.554 --> 00:04:21.944 What do I do? 00:04:21.944 --> 00:04:23.174 Do I do the counters? 00:04:23.174 --> 00:04:23.984 Do I do the dishes? 00:04:24.034 --> 00:04:26.944 You know, it's just like, these are the steps that you take every single 00:04:26.944 --> 00:04:29.134 night as a gift to tomorrow You. 00:04:29.161 --> 00:04:31.904 And I love that because like, I can empathize with that, right. 00:04:31.943 --> 00:04:35.273 I can picture tomorrow Alison, and be like, what's just like one 00:04:35.273 --> 00:04:39.263 tiny, but heavy rock I can take out of tomorrow's backpack for her. 00:04:39.833 --> 00:04:44.093 And, you know, so the nightly reset, but she's just a mom, you know, she's 00:04:44.123 --> 00:04:48.023 also, I think some kind of doctor life coach, again, if it's, if we're talking 00:04:48.023 --> 00:04:51.263 about the same person, but she's just very plain Jane, she's not there. 00:04:51.263 --> 00:04:51.593 Yeah. 00:04:51.853 --> 00:04:55.213 Matt: Let me please backtrack and say, there is no such thing 00:04:55.213 --> 00:04:57.193 in my own mind as "just a mom". 00:04:57.703 --> 00:04:58.093 I don't. 00:04:58.693 --> 00:05:03.113 I'm not trying to be cool by saying that I really think that a mom is a mom. 00:05:03.503 --> 00:05:05.033 There's no, "just" 00:05:05.093 --> 00:05:06.053 Alison: There's no just there. 00:05:06.053 --> 00:05:11.935 Yes, but you meant she's not there to, you know, be Beyonce and wear like sparkles 00:05:11.935 --> 00:05:15.973 and do choreography like she's someone, you know, that we can all see ourselves. 00:05:16.153 --> 00:05:18.413 Her at is @domesticblisters. 00:05:18.433 --> 00:05:19.423 Her name's KCDavis. 00:05:19.543 --> 00:05:21.913 Like letter K letter C Davis. 00:05:21.963 --> 00:05:22.759 Matt: That sounds right. 00:05:23.249 --> 00:05:27.491 Alison: How to Keep House While Drowning is her book. 00:05:27.981 --> 00:05:30.291 And I love it because she's real. 00:05:30.341 --> 00:05:33.491 I mean, that's the thing about like normalization of all of these things, 00:05:33.521 --> 00:05:37.151 and I know we're supposed to hate the word normal too, but like, you know, 00:05:37.361 --> 00:05:42.007 knowing that there's other people like in the deep and swirling waters 00:05:42.007 --> 00:05:46.447 with you sometimes is better than finding an air quote fix, you know. 00:05:46.504 --> 00:05:49.244 Like I got buddies who understand where I'm coming from. 00:05:49.253 --> 00:05:50.952 So yeah, so she's one of my favorite ones. 00:05:50.952 --> 00:05:52.002 There is another. 00:05:52.362 --> 00:05:56.382 I don't know if again, she's like a Life Coach or doctor who just like normalizes 00:05:56.382 --> 00:05:58.182 everything about ADHD in her posts. 00:05:58.212 --> 00:06:01.432 And it always just makes me, you know, have those, like, I feel seen. 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:04.979 We don't have to have this conversation right now, but I am deeply fascinated 00:06:04.979 --> 00:06:10.469 what the algorithm thinks of you, because one of my favorite parts of TikTok is 00:06:10.829 --> 00:06:12.339 what the algorithm thinks about me. 00:06:12.356 --> 00:06:17.721 And some very like on the nose ways and some very, like, that's interesting that's 00:06:17.721 --> 00:06:19.791 the vibe that I gave you algorithms. 00:06:19.849 --> 00:06:20.299 But Yeah. 00:06:20.809 --> 00:06:25.039 Again, if you're trying to make people feel seen, heard, felt. 00:06:25.759 --> 00:06:30.739 It does a great job of that, which is why I think I gravitated towards it. 00:06:31.009 --> 00:06:34.759 Whereas like Facebook is just kind of become everybody's sounding board to, 00:06:34.759 --> 00:06:36.799 you know, post their highlight reels. 00:06:37.669 --> 00:06:41.899 But TikTok became this place that suddenly we could find our way to 00:06:42.649 --> 00:06:44.294 the places we ultimately want to be. 00:06:44.374 --> 00:06:44.914 Matt: Oh, I like. 00:06:45.714 --> 00:06:45.934 Wow. 00:06:46.064 --> 00:06:46.775 Dang girl. 00:06:47.735 --> 00:06:48.425 Wow. 00:06:48.515 --> 00:06:49.205 Yeah. 00:06:49.505 --> 00:06:52.145 Oh, yeah, we should start an ADHD TikTok. 00:06:52.191 --> 00:06:55.452 Alison: Well, it's funny because when we were posted on our socials last 00:06:55.452 --> 00:06:59.850 week, shameless plug to get YouTube followers for Bivins Brothers Creative. 00:07:00.630 --> 00:07:04.910 One of our friends Megan asked us, are you guys gonna start TikTok-ing? 00:07:05.490 --> 00:07:09.480 And I gave a swift no, but now that we're having this conversation, was I wrong? 00:07:09.540 --> 00:07:12.450 Megan, do I need to come back on that. 00:07:16.650 --> 00:07:17.430 One thing at a time. 00:07:17.460 --> 00:07:17.610 and 00:07:17.700 --> 00:07:18.480 Matt: One thing at a time. 00:07:18.510 --> 00:07:19.830 Sweet Jesus. 00:07:19.890 --> 00:07:23.700 Alison: That's our downfall, is that we try and to use a phrase that one of 00:07:23.700 --> 00:07:25.740 my former bosses use boil the ocean. 00:07:25.740 --> 00:07:27.990 I think I may have said that last session too, where you just try 00:07:27.990 --> 00:07:29.010 and do everything all at once. 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:31.080 It's like, life is one big shotgun start. 00:07:31.110 --> 00:07:35.070 We're all just running all over the place, but like, I'd rather be good at 00:07:35.070 --> 00:07:36.720 YouTube, and then be good at Twitter. 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:38.380 And then I'll get good at TikTok. 00:07:38.460 --> 00:07:38.970 Matt: Sure. 00:07:39.900 --> 00:07:41.610 Alison: Which is not my natural inclination. 00:07:41.700 --> 00:07:43.650 My natural inclination is like, what do we want? 00:07:43.650 --> 00:07:45.720 All the things, when do we want it? 00:07:45.720 --> 00:07:46.500 Right now! 00:07:46.530 --> 00:07:48.240 Matt: Now I know. 00:07:48.295 --> 00:07:51.555 And I know that we had a list, an outline to talk about today, but, 00:07:51.555 --> 00:07:52.025 Alison: Out the window. 00:07:52.301 --> 00:07:57.611 Matt: You know, there's one thing that is interesting to me about TikTok. 00:07:58.321 --> 00:08:03.061 It is interesting to me that someone can get millions and millions of followers. 00:08:03.151 --> 00:08:05.671 And I can say Instagram and YouTube as well. 00:08:06.301 --> 00:08:08.785 And, and therefore fans, right. 00:08:09.215 --> 00:08:13.310 But the cycle seems of course, to be faster and faster. 00:08:13.400 --> 00:08:16.250 And in some ways I feel like that is an okay thing. 00:08:16.268 --> 00:08:20.281 Because, you know, we have talked in the past about fandom. 00:08:20.611 --> 00:08:25.451 And how I was a kid that never liked anything that was cool. 00:08:25.751 --> 00:08:28.755 And then, you know, then there was a name to, to call me, which 00:08:28.755 --> 00:08:30.231 was hipster years and years later. 00:08:30.293 --> 00:08:30.623 I am. 00:08:30.713 --> 00:08:31.613 I really am. 00:08:31.733 --> 00:08:32.723 I really am. 00:08:33.263 --> 00:08:33.692 Alison: You really are. 00:08:33.715 --> 00:08:33.975 That's 00:08:34.335 --> 00:08:38.815 Matt: It's funny, cause I used to get so offended when our old partner 00:08:38.815 --> 00:08:41.375 Randy would call me a hipster. 00:08:41.375 --> 00:08:42.455 I was so offended. 00:08:42.995 --> 00:08:43.565 But it's true. 00:08:44.195 --> 00:08:46.385 I've been a hipster since I was a kid though. 00:08:46.445 --> 00:08:48.095 I hated anything that was cool. 00:08:48.545 --> 00:08:51.245 Actively tried not to like things that were cool. 00:08:51.275 --> 00:08:52.025 It's terrible. 00:08:52.025 --> 00:08:56.725 I mean, I deserved being beaten up. 00:08:58.035 --> 00:08:59.445 I needed to be punished for that. 00:08:59.505 --> 00:09:00.195 I really did. 00:09:00.325 --> 00:09:02.065 . Alison: I don't agree, but. 00:09:02.165 --> 00:09:04.925 Matt: Well, I took it too far. 00:09:05.015 --> 00:09:07.004 I mean, I looked down on things that were cool. 00:09:07.054 --> 00:09:09.514 I definitely don't do that as much anymore. 00:09:09.934 --> 00:09:15.782 But there are certain things like I do like to be first finding something. 00:09:16.262 --> 00:09:19.812 And if I'm not first, then I'd like to quote unquote, discover 00:09:19.812 --> 00:09:21.162 it like a year or two after. 00:09:22.452 --> 00:09:29.735 But the flip side of that for me is I never ever turn on someone. 00:09:30.355 --> 00:09:34.015 It's not that I remain loyal to the same degree that I may like. 00:09:34.255 --> 00:09:36.055 Let's take U2, right. 00:09:36.205 --> 00:09:40.671 Let's take U2, loved U2 love to certain albums of U2. 00:09:40.731 --> 00:09:47.451 They became a painful joke for a while, especially with the whole, we're going 00:09:47.481 --> 00:09:49.191 to automatically add our album to… 00:09:49.421 --> 00:09:50.301 Alison: To your iPhone. 00:09:50.331 --> 00:09:51.311 Matt: That was intense. 00:09:51.341 --> 00:09:52.871 That was just a bad idea. 00:09:52.898 --> 00:09:54.178 I think that was a mistake. 00:09:54.508 --> 00:09:56.788 So they got trashed and people make fun of Bono. 00:09:56.788 --> 00:10:00.058 And I don't, I can't, I won't do that because. 00:10:02.068 --> 00:10:07.568 I don't like, I mean, maybe it's because I've experienced a fan's 00:10:08.478 --> 00:10:13.180 inevitable, I mean, seriously inevitable, without fail, turning on you. 00:10:13.750 --> 00:10:15.190 It just happens, period. 00:10:15.269 --> 00:10:16.079 So I just don't want it. 00:10:16.109 --> 00:10:17.969 I don't ever want to be caught doing that. 00:10:18.119 --> 00:10:21.329 Maybe inside I'm like, man, that album, I don't like it. 00:10:21.329 --> 00:10:23.319 I wish I, I wish it was different. 00:10:23.326 --> 00:10:27.070 And I may say some disparaging things privately, I may vent, but I'll 00:10:27.070 --> 00:10:28.660 never jump on a bandwagon of hate. 00:10:28.660 --> 00:10:32.830 Alison: I will say that, and maybe this is your fault, I have started 00:10:32.830 --> 00:10:34.750 to view artists as people too. 00:10:35.470 --> 00:10:37.480 Instead of like, here for my pleasure. 00:10:37.544 --> 00:10:37.844 Matt: Huh. 00:10:38.384 --> 00:10:41.204 Alison: And so like case in point Kacey Musgraves, one 00:10:41.204 --> 00:10:42.734 of my very favorite artists. 00:10:42.806 --> 00:10:46.526 Golden Hour is one of the very few albums that I can listen to 00:10:46.526 --> 00:10:48.236 start to finish without skipping. 00:10:48.236 --> 00:10:49.946 I never get tired of. 00:10:49.976 --> 00:10:53.816 Like, I tend to pick and choose three, maybe four favorite songs from an album. 00:10:53.816 --> 00:10:54.359 And that's it. 00:10:54.359 --> 00:10:55.559 I don't need the rest of the album. 00:10:56.279 --> 00:10:58.859 Golden hour, just the epitome of a perfect record for me. 00:10:58.919 --> 00:10:59.309 Matt: Right. 00:11:00.119 --> 00:11:00.749 Alison: Hate. 00:11:01.289 --> 00:11:02.879 Hate her last album. 00:11:03.389 --> 00:11:08.729 But she wrote it in the depths of despair coming out of a really painful divorce. 00:11:09.209 --> 00:11:13.919 So now I'm like, ah, it's not my cup of tea, but you needed to write that album. 00:11:14.159 --> 00:11:16.619 Good on like, I applaud you. 00:11:16.619 --> 00:11:17.849 I support you. 00:11:18.149 --> 00:11:18.839 I bought it. 00:11:18.839 --> 00:11:22.619 You know, I went to go see her knowing she would play a lot from that album. 00:11:23.069 --> 00:11:24.549 And she actually kind of joked at the show. 00:11:24.569 --> 00:11:27.459 She was like, damn, that album needed to come with a warning label. 00:11:27.459 --> 00:11:28.869 I'm really sorry, you guys. 00:11:28.869 --> 00:11:33.109 Like, so she gets it, but like, I don't know that that's something that like 00:11:33.161 --> 00:11:36.641 pre being your friend, I would have, you know, I remember that there was 00:11:36.671 --> 00:11:38.201 a person on the other side of that. 00:11:38.201 --> 00:11:42.942 I would've just been like, oh, how dare she write a depressing ass album. 00:11:43.002 --> 00:11:44.352 Matt: Well, I'm proud of you for that. 00:11:44.562 --> 00:11:51.352 I think it is not a lesson that most people have the opportunity to learn. 00:11:51.632 --> 00:11:53.762 I won't even say that it's an important one, right? 00:11:53.812 --> 00:11:55.012 Alison: I'll say it's an important one. 00:11:55.012 --> 00:11:56.602 I wish I'd gotten there sooner. 00:11:56.962 --> 00:12:01.722 Matt: And, you know, in the same way that I don't disparage people for not knowing 00:12:01.722 --> 00:12:04.302 how to talk to my wife immediately. 00:12:04.353 --> 00:12:07.233 I get it, you know, there is ableism everywhere. 00:12:07.293 --> 00:12:07.893 I get it. 00:12:07.893 --> 00:12:15.218 It was really hard the first time to work really hard on an artistic thing. 00:12:15.242 --> 00:12:19.742 And have the support of hundreds and hundreds of people. 00:12:20.402 --> 00:12:21.712 And then… 00:12:21.872 --> 00:12:22.652 Alison: One asshole. 00:12:23.292 --> 00:12:25.441 Matt: Well, see, that's the frustrating thing because 00:12:25.441 --> 00:12:27.001 it's not actually one asshole. 00:12:27.481 --> 00:12:31.351 It's actually the original, most passionate asshole. 00:12:31.771 --> 00:12:33.481 They're the ones that cut the deepest. 00:12:34.051 --> 00:12:39.811 They cut the deepest and I think it's a self preservation sort of thing. 00:12:40.021 --> 00:12:42.061 I think you can call it hipster. 00:12:42.091 --> 00:12:42.671 You can call it. 00:12:42.671 --> 00:12:44.400 you know, any number of things, but I really. 00:12:45.300 --> 00:12:46.663 I think there are fans that are. 00:12:48.313 --> 00:12:48.553 Okay. 00:12:48.553 --> 00:12:51.403 I'm not going to use obsessive in a derogatory sense. 00:12:51.453 --> 00:12:55.533 But I think there are fans who are all in all the time and 00:12:55.583 --> 00:12:57.113 they count themselves as fans. 00:12:57.113 --> 00:12:59.690 They talk about it, they live, they want to know everything. 00:12:59.778 --> 00:13:04.848 Then there's people like me and I just, I'm not a fan based person. 00:13:05.208 --> 00:13:06.198 I have little crushes. 00:13:06.318 --> 00:13:07.218 They're fleeting. 00:13:07.458 --> 00:13:08.808 I love things. 00:13:08.808 --> 00:13:12.438 And I'm very loyal to bands, but I don't have posters of Radiohead. 00:13:12.678 --> 00:13:15.658 I don't own every album necessarily. 00:13:15.658 --> 00:13:17.278 I don't listen to them all the time. 00:13:17.348 --> 00:13:22.508 I just wasn't a poster on the wall kind of kid and I don't knock that 00:13:22.508 --> 00:13:28.488 at all, but it's the people that are like that, that fall the hardest. 00:13:29.098 --> 00:13:32.808 That fall out of love the hardest, and they have to protect themselves because 00:13:32.808 --> 00:13:35.918 they realize maybe they're embarrassed, even though they should not be. 00:13:36.668 --> 00:13:42.068 So what they do in order to, you know, protect themselves is to 00:13:42.958 --> 00:13:46.558 attack, that's a human natural thing. 00:13:46.728 --> 00:13:52.515 But, you know, being a fan of something and the tenuous relationship 00:13:52.785 --> 00:13:57.502 that can be, you know, how hard I can imagine for TikTokers, like. 00:13:58.012 --> 00:14:02.042 You're just like, is it a constant stress and worry, know what I 00:14:02.222 --> 00:14:06.402 Alison: Think about the difference in the, like the life cycle of the content 00:14:06.462 --> 00:14:08.322 when you were a musician or an actor. 00:14:08.592 --> 00:14:11.852 You had, you know, weeks, if not months to produce that. 00:14:11.882 --> 00:14:16.382 And whereas now content creators, like they got to get it out same day. 00:14:16.382 --> 00:14:21.002 If you're not posting at the specific times, multiple times a day, interacting, 00:14:21.002 --> 00:14:22.652 building, you know, just like. 00:14:22.922 --> 00:14:23.702 Constantly. 00:14:24.602 --> 00:14:26.342 You know, casting that net. 00:14:26.402 --> 00:14:26.762 Matt: Yeah. 00:14:27.122 --> 00:14:27.902 Alison: You're screwed. 00:14:28.172 --> 00:14:30.713 And I would think that would be, I don't know. 00:14:30.713 --> 00:14:31.043 I don't know. 00:14:31.193 --> 00:14:33.686 I mean, now that I'm like talking it out, is that better 00:14:33.686 --> 00:14:35.006 or worse for people with ADHD? 00:14:35.006 --> 00:14:36.926 Because you always know there's another chance. 00:14:37.316 --> 00:14:38.516 It's like waves, man. 00:14:38.546 --> 00:14:40.406 Like, there's going to be another one you can ride. 00:14:40.406 --> 00:14:41.396 If you miss this one. 00:14:41.463 --> 00:14:42.318 Interesting. 00:14:42.422 --> 00:14:45.692 Matt: The other interesting aspect of that in particular is. 00:14:46.232 --> 00:14:47.342 For me, is that. 00:14:47.972 --> 00:14:51.212 Everything was what they call waterfall back. 00:14:51.812 --> 00:14:52.185 Two. 00:14:52.215 --> 00:14:55.305 pre hardcore internet was fans. 00:14:55.357 --> 00:14:59.317 And there wasn't a daily sharing of new songs or new albums 00:14:59.317 --> 00:15:01.567 or new demos or new anything. 00:15:02.287 --> 00:15:06.415 So I also understand the potential level of disappointment when your 00:15:06.415 --> 00:15:08.815 favorite band goes into a studio and comes out with something and 00:15:08.815 --> 00:15:10.225 you're like, well, blah, blah, blah. 00:15:10.345 --> 00:15:10.885 Is that? 00:15:11.125 --> 00:15:11.515 What. 00:15:11.755 --> 00:15:12.595 What just happened? 00:15:12.745 --> 00:15:17.785 Because, last time I saw or heard you, you sounded like this. 00:15:17.785 --> 00:15:20.750 And now you sound like that, right? 00:15:20.750 --> 00:15:23.150 I wonder how much that happens now. 00:15:23.217 --> 00:15:28.062 Don't you need TikTok to be able to share your demo as you're working on it? 00:15:28.632 --> 00:15:29.232 I don't know. 00:15:29.772 --> 00:15:30.312 Yeah. 00:15:30.832 --> 00:15:31.992 Alison: Fans expect more now. 00:15:32.014 --> 00:15:35.912 They expect to be able to buy in and be, you know, to comment 00:15:35.912 --> 00:15:40.505 and invoice their pleasure or disdain, as part of the process. 00:15:40.775 --> 00:15:41.465 Matt: Yeah. 00:15:41.615 --> 00:15:42.065 Yeah. 00:15:42.115 --> 00:15:45.745 We're talking about how you are a fan based person. 00:15:46.465 --> 00:15:48.895 And I'm not, inherently. 00:15:48.939 --> 00:15:55.242 And I think both of them are 100% valid. 00:15:56.082 --> 00:15:58.361 Alison: But the thing is that I'm not until I am. 00:15:58.421 --> 00:15:59.291 Matt: Right, right, right, right. 00:15:59.351 --> 00:16:02.649 You just, you have the ability to take it much farther than… 00:16:02.859 --> 00:16:03.369 Alison: Too far. 00:16:03.459 --> 00:16:04.119 Matt: I don't know. 00:16:04.149 --> 00:16:04.165 I 00:16:04.176 --> 00:16:04.926 Alison: We can say it. 00:16:06.126 --> 00:16:06.786 Matt: You can say it. 00:16:06.816 --> 00:16:07.776 I'm not going to say it. 00:16:09.276 --> 00:16:09.976 Alison: Smart man. 00:16:09.976 --> 00:16:11.827 Matt: But I exactly so. 00:16:11.857 --> 00:16:13.627 So, that is really interesting to me. 00:16:13.927 --> 00:16:15.487 And I can apply this to D&D as well. 00:16:15.525 --> 00:16:19.005 But I think it's interesting because in this podcast, we want to talk about 00:16:19.005 --> 00:16:26.915 the different strains of ADHD and in my mind, being more of the inattentive type, 00:16:26.975 --> 00:16:32.108 it would make sense that I could love Radiohead, and have, you know, a decent 00:16:32.108 --> 00:16:36.348 period of really listening to that album. 00:16:36.348 --> 00:16:38.328 And only that album, maybe. 00:16:38.718 --> 00:16:43.448 Whichever, whatever the newest one is, but also, I can walk away. 00:16:43.718 --> 00:16:47.648 I don't like to turn on any band because I've experienced 00:16:47.648 --> 00:16:48.788 it because I understand it. 00:16:49.208 --> 00:16:50.828 But maybe. 00:16:51.398 --> 00:16:55.448 Maybe it's also, I can do that because it doesn't hurt as much. 00:16:55.448 --> 00:16:55.658 Right. 00:16:55.658 --> 00:16:57.758 It doesn't like the changes. 00:16:57.758 --> 00:17:01.506 I don't feel as much because I don't enter that level of fandom that you do. 00:17:01.836 --> 00:17:03.115 And that's fair too. 00:17:03.215 --> 00:17:06.905 You count on a certain emotion, a certain sound, a certain feeling 00:17:06.905 --> 00:17:11.302 that your favorite band gives you, and then it changes maybe. 00:17:11.302 --> 00:17:12.862 And then you're like, oh, dang. 00:17:12.937 --> 00:17:14.677 that's that's not what I want. 00:17:15.457 --> 00:17:17.797 And that's gotta be really hard. 00:17:17.917 --> 00:17:26.387 Like for example, I will be interested to know what happens when D&D 6e comes out. 00:17:26.897 --> 00:17:28.857 It will eventually, in our lifetime. 00:17:28.857 --> 00:17:31.572 No one knows when, or what it's going to be, or whether it's going 00:17:31.572 --> 00:17:34.227 to be a major change from 5e. 00:17:34.277 --> 00:17:38.355 But, 4e, fourth edition, was very different. 00:17:38.725 --> 00:17:47.655 So completely different that there are people who spun off, and 00:17:48.165 --> 00:17:53.025 took 3.5 edition and created this thing called Pathfinder, right? 00:17:53.245 --> 00:17:58.975 Pathfinder is basically a branch of, a fork of three or 3.5 edition because 00:17:58.975 --> 00:18:01.045 they did not want fourth edition. 00:18:01.135 --> 00:18:02.255 Alison: It didn't want to go fourth. 00:18:02.275 --> 00:18:03.565 Matt: They did not want to go forth. 00:18:05.695 --> 00:18:07.285 Alison: I reject that level up. 00:18:07.385 --> 00:18:07.865 Matt: Yeah. 00:18:07.945 --> 00:18:12.118 So, you know, as a fan of this game, I was invited to play 00:18:12.148 --> 00:18:13.558 fourth edition with some friends. 00:18:13.868 --> 00:18:17.590 I guess it was 10, 11, 12 some years ago. 00:18:18.340 --> 00:18:20.200 And I didn't like it at all. 00:18:20.610 --> 00:18:22.890 It certainly wasn't the people I was playing with, they were very nice. 00:18:22.940 --> 00:18:26.510 It was not what I remembered, it wasn't easy, it wasn't fun. 00:18:26.510 --> 00:18:29.840 It was so many charts and graphs and things. 00:18:30.152 --> 00:18:33.602 But I didn't like I didn't like oh this game sucks I'm not I'm 00:18:33.632 --> 00:18:34.802 never going to play it again. 00:18:35.142 --> 00:18:39.069 I was a fan, it was a major part of my life, but it just didn't fit at that time. 00:18:39.119 --> 00:18:40.709 It was which U2 album. 00:18:40.789 --> 00:18:43.309 The one after Zooropa. 00:18:43.919 --> 00:18:44.549 It was okay. 00:18:44.969 --> 00:18:48.599 But I wanted another Sunday, Bloody Sunday or something. 00:18:48.839 --> 00:18:49.545 And I I didn't get it. 00:18:49.765 --> 00:18:53.231 Alison: Or it's what a lot of us are experiencing with, with Critical Role. 00:18:53.261 --> 00:18:56.201 You know, y'all tried to get me to watch it for a really long time. 00:18:56.261 --> 00:19:00.798 I declined because I was overwhelmed because it's, you know, each season 00:19:00.798 --> 00:19:02.148 is more than a hundred episodes. 00:19:02.178 --> 00:19:04.308 Each episode is four hours long. 00:19:04.788 --> 00:19:06.108 And that was, you know, Nope. 00:19:06.158 --> 00:19:10.828 And it wasn't until, last summer they came out with a little eight session 00:19:10.828 --> 00:19:14.128 mini series called Exandria Unlimited, for those of you who aren't fans. 00:19:14.518 --> 00:19:16.588 That I was like, okay, that's digestible. 00:19:16.618 --> 00:19:17.578 I can do that. 00:19:17.578 --> 00:19:19.228 I can get through eight episodes. 00:19:19.438 --> 00:19:23.818 Well, now I'm all in on the second campaign, which is, I think 141 episodes. 00:19:24.088 --> 00:19:25.828 I have 10 left to go, Matt. 00:19:26.578 --> 00:19:27.148 Wild. 00:19:27.508 --> 00:19:28.228 Wild. 00:19:28.858 --> 00:19:33.838 I know it's bananas, but I've been back to the compulsion part of me. 00:19:33.838 --> 00:19:39.268 I have been watching it and only it since last July, like I use 00:19:39.328 --> 00:19:42.328 every time you and Evan bring up something, you know, whatever new 00:19:42.328 --> 00:19:43.528 movie or show you're watching. 00:19:43.528 --> 00:19:46.278 I say, Nope, because I'm all in on this. 00:19:46.278 --> 00:19:47.028 I have to be. 00:19:47.041 --> 00:19:51.432 But you know, I'm having feelings as a fan towards their third season. 00:19:51.462 --> 00:19:53.892 And then this again goes also back into what we were saying is 00:19:53.892 --> 00:19:56.592 now I can see these are people. 00:19:56.622 --> 00:20:01.512 They have feelings and families, and it's not my right, nor my job to tear 00:20:01.512 --> 00:20:03.042 them down for what they're doing. 00:20:03.142 --> 00:20:06.382 I'm wildly jealous that they get to do it in the first place, but. 00:20:06.772 --> 00:20:10.953 You know, I'm having a hard time sinking my teeth into the season and I'm watching 00:20:10.953 --> 00:20:15.213 out of a sense of duty and not out of a sense of love, but I like I'm giving 00:20:15.213 --> 00:20:18.813 it that chance because I know how wildly talented these people are and 00:20:18.813 --> 00:20:22.983 where they can take, you know, a simple thread and turn that into a whole world. 00:20:23.090 --> 00:20:26.480 But yeah, it's kind of like that, that, that fickle fan base 00:20:26.510 --> 00:20:29.540 thing of like, I don't feel like being all in on this just yet. 00:20:29.540 --> 00:20:31.100 And I might slow my roll. 00:20:31.400 --> 00:20:32.115 Pun intended. 00:20:32.120 --> 00:20:32.450 Matt: Right. 00:20:32.720 --> 00:20:35.071 Well, and that is your right. 00:20:35.071 --> 00:20:36.811 And your duty as a fan to. 00:20:37.351 --> 00:20:42.511 And it's funny because I also finally was able to start watching the show 00:20:42.511 --> 00:20:46.310 with Exandria because it was just, I, I knew there was going to be an end. 00:20:47.120 --> 00:20:47.630 Alison: Yup. 00:20:48.020 --> 00:20:49.370 Matt: That really helps my mind. 00:20:49.429 --> 00:20:54.109 And I have been, you know, I've been trying to keep up with the third edition. 00:20:54.589 --> 00:20:56.383 But it's hard for me to even do that. 00:20:56.452 --> 00:21:01.703 It's hard for me to sit through four hours of anything and, and yet. 00:21:01.753 --> 00:21:07.693 My respect and understanding of everyone has only shot through the roof. 00:21:07.753 --> 00:21:08.113 Like. 00:21:08.113 --> 00:21:08.353 Alison: Yup. 00:21:09.373 --> 00:21:10.093 Matt: And I don't even know. 00:21:10.093 --> 00:21:10.513 I can't. 00:21:10.813 --> 00:21:17.226 I mean, you, Fitz, Evan, you can speak with conviction about the milieu, the 00:21:17.266 --> 00:21:20.368 world, that those actors have built. 00:21:20.424 --> 00:21:26.094 I won't, you know, be able to experience it the way that you will. 00:21:27.394 --> 00:21:33.267 Because I don't know whether I have the capacity to get down and dirty in it. 00:21:33.657 --> 00:21:38.937 Because you go that far and there's got to be something about that. 00:21:38.967 --> 00:21:45.807 Like, I am super envious of your ability to not get sidetracked by 00:21:46.407 --> 00:21:52.317 oh, there's a new toy or there's a new app or there's a new thing. 00:21:52.397 --> 00:21:57.086 This is an amazing thing that I'm very envious of, in you. 00:21:57.506 --> 00:22:01.466 You can sit down and make that your thing. 00:22:02.606 --> 00:22:04.703 I want to hear more about it because I'm stunned. 00:22:04.753 --> 00:22:05.713 Like, what is that like? 00:22:06.193 --> 00:22:09.883 What is it like to not always want something new all the time? 00:22:10.003 --> 00:22:11.963 Like, you know, what is that like? 00:22:11.983 --> 00:22:15.583 Alison: Yeah, I well, and I mean, yeah, it's definitely for all the 00:22:15.583 --> 00:22:18.430 ways that we're the same, that's one big way that we're very different. 00:22:18.430 --> 00:22:22.780 That, you know, you definitely have the slightly more we'll call it distracted. 00:22:23.230 --> 00:22:25.340 The ooh, shiny you, you know, disease too. 00:22:25.392 --> 00:22:27.385 But yeah, like you're the one who's always on top of the new 00:22:27.385 --> 00:22:30.355 tech, always on top of the new shows, you know, things are coming. 00:22:30.895 --> 00:22:34.465 Which is an interesting juxtaposition from what we were talking about, 00:22:34.465 --> 00:22:38.741 how, like you don't like the things that are cool and popular. 00:22:38.746 --> 00:22:40.186 Except for the things that you do, right? 00:22:40.186 --> 00:22:42.916 Like you're always going to be on top of the newest Apple technology. 00:22:42.916 --> 00:22:46.767 You're always going to be aware of what's coming down the pipeline and MCU. 00:22:46.786 --> 00:22:50.467 You're always, you know, going to be the one that knows what's 00:22:50.487 --> 00:22:52.917 streaming long before it starts streaming and things like that. 00:22:52.917 --> 00:22:53.747 So you're cool. 00:22:53.747 --> 00:22:54.387 In some ways. 00:22:54.387 --> 00:22:57.177 But I guess I don't know how to answer what that's like, because I 00:22:57.177 --> 00:23:00.537 guess I don't know any other way to be, but I will say this, it takes 00:23:00.957 --> 00:23:03.717 a lot for me to get to that level. 00:23:03.768 --> 00:23:07.959 And that's how I am on every single thing is that I'm not tepid. 00:23:07.989 --> 00:23:10.209 I'm not like in lukewarm about anything. 00:23:10.779 --> 00:23:12.579 I either hate it or I love it. 00:23:12.609 --> 00:23:14.289 I am one extreme or another. 00:23:14.619 --> 00:23:18.225 I'm either like very loud and very animated and must be the center 00:23:18.225 --> 00:23:20.685 of attention in that moment, or I want nothing to do with people. 00:23:20.685 --> 00:23:23.235 I want to go sit on the couch and talk to my cats. 00:23:23.316 --> 00:23:26.766 You know, I either want nothing to do with Critical Role, or it is the only 00:23:26.766 --> 00:23:30.336 thing I watched for a year of my life. 00:23:31.206 --> 00:23:31.926 Matt: Wow. 00:23:32.256 --> 00:23:32.946 Yeah. 00:23:33.406 --> 00:23:36.622 Alison: There are a lot of people talk about like, I guess, um, I never know 00:23:36.622 --> 00:23:39.332 if they're symptoms, side effects, or just, you know, leading causes or 00:23:39.332 --> 00:23:43.922 what, but, you know, they say people with ADHD tend to like to watch the 00:23:43.922 --> 00:23:46.352 same things over and over again, because they're comforted by it. 00:23:46.352 --> 00:23:48.062 They don't like new things. 00:23:48.144 --> 00:23:49.254 And that's very true for me. 00:23:49.254 --> 00:23:52.434 There are a handful of movies that I can always watch. 00:23:52.434 --> 00:23:57.354 And especially if I'm in any kind of like mentally down place. 00:23:57.804 --> 00:24:00.504 I'm absolutely going to reach for a comfort item. 00:24:00.504 --> 00:24:02.754 I'm going to watch a movie I've seen 47 times. 00:24:02.754 --> 00:24:05.304 I'm going to reread the Harry Potter series. 00:24:05.304 --> 00:24:10.224 I'm absolutely not going to reach for something new, especially in any 00:24:10.224 --> 00:24:11.814 kind of like mentally fragile state. 00:24:12.474 --> 00:24:18.384 But I am wondering if the same is true for the bands that I have been a total fan 00:24:18.384 --> 00:24:21.054 girl of the, you know, now Critical Role. 00:24:21.054 --> 00:24:25.104 Because even though like the episodes are new, or the concerts are new or, 00:24:25.164 --> 00:24:29.258 you know, whatever it is new, I'm still comforted by that like, I know these 00:24:29.258 --> 00:24:31.178 people, like this is a safe space. 00:24:31.181 --> 00:24:34.031 Especially if we look at the difference between my impulsivity 00:24:34.031 --> 00:24:35.201 and your inattentiveness. 00:24:35.601 --> 00:24:39.879 You know, we talked about the impulsive ones or, you know, like the, what you 00:24:39.879 --> 00:24:43.689 think of the stereotypical, like eight year old boys who can't sit still. 00:24:43.783 --> 00:24:47.023 And so I, and there's something to be said about like a physical comfort, you 00:24:47.023 --> 00:24:51.952 know, something to draw their energy into, a blanket to put over their shoulders. 00:24:52.432 --> 00:24:56.392 So I have to wonder if maybe that's why I tend to gravitate towards. 00:24:57.022 --> 00:25:01.720 That level of fandom and things, because it's a weighted blanket for my soul. 00:25:03.640 --> 00:25:04.090 Maybe. 00:25:04.900 --> 00:25:07.643 But I'm like that in all aspect. 00:25:07.693 --> 00:25:08.713 I don't like new things. 00:25:08.713 --> 00:25:10.003 I don't like to be bad at things. 00:25:10.003 --> 00:25:12.133 I think that's why I'm missing that comfort item. 00:25:12.133 --> 00:25:15.147 So I like to do what I'm really good at. 00:25:15.367 --> 00:25:19.059 I don't make new friends and people are always shocked to hear that about me. 00:25:19.389 --> 00:25:20.649 They like, oh my God. 00:25:20.649 --> 00:25:21.579 Alison, are you kidding me? 00:25:21.579 --> 00:25:22.719 You could talk to a wall. 00:25:22.719 --> 00:25:26.549 Well, first of all, don't mistake talent with love, just because you're good at 00:25:26.549 --> 00:25:28.709 something does not mean you enjoy it. 00:25:29.279 --> 00:25:30.899 Second of all, watch me. 00:25:30.899 --> 00:25:32.819 I do not go up to new people. 00:25:32.879 --> 00:25:34.829 I do not go introduce myself. 00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:38.129 If I see you in a room and I recognize you as a familiar face, 00:25:38.129 --> 00:25:40.248 I am making a beeline for you. 00:25:40.259 --> 00:25:43.289 But I don't know, I am absolutely not going to go. 00:25:43.289 --> 00:25:47.219 The only way that I know anybody that I'm friends with is either we 00:25:47.219 --> 00:25:50.789 were all shoved into a new situation together and clung to each other, 00:25:51.209 --> 00:25:52.859 or somebody introduced me to you. 00:25:52.889 --> 00:25:54.389 Those are the two ways that you know me. 00:25:54.389 --> 00:25:55.439 I guarantee you. 00:25:55.799 --> 00:25:56.379 Matt: Wow. 00:25:56.379 --> 00:25:57.833 Alison: So yeah, I mean. 00:25:58.163 --> 00:25:59.843 Yeah, man, we're really. 00:26:00.143 --> 00:26:01.223 Like on the couch today. 00:26:01.223 --> 00:26:02.153 This is great. 00:26:03.833 --> 00:26:07.943 Matt: I mean, this is the kind of stuff that I'm just utterly fascinated by. 00:26:08.513 --> 00:26:12.769 I think that this disorder or disability or whatever you want to 00:26:12.829 --> 00:26:15.859 think that it is, is just so broad. 00:26:15.936 --> 00:26:20.134 And, that's why doctors are taking bigger, broader looks at it. 00:26:20.164 --> 00:26:25.313 Like that's why it used to be ADD, and then it became ADHD, because they're like, 00:26:25.373 --> 00:26:27.005 oh, well there's this and this part of it. 00:26:27.335 --> 00:26:28.505 That isn't represented. 00:26:28.805 --> 00:26:32.765 And now that like maybe a part of autism, right? 00:26:32.895 --> 00:26:33.175 Like. 00:26:34.825 --> 00:26:34.895 Alison: Yeah. 00:26:35.355 --> 00:26:41.578 Matt: That would explain such vast differences, but things that you 00:26:41.578 --> 00:26:47.421 can kind of hold onto as far as this disability goes, like, I just, I love it. 00:26:47.511 --> 00:26:48.711 It's fascinating to me. 00:26:48.741 --> 00:26:51.981 I really hope that in my lifetime that they come up with a better name for it. 00:26:52.025 --> 00:26:52.885 I don't know what it will be. 00:26:52.885 --> 00:26:54.115 Executive function disorder. 00:26:54.775 --> 00:26:55.585 I don't know what it'll be. 00:26:55.685 --> 00:26:57.525 Anyway, I like being on the couch about it. 00:26:58.235 --> 00:26:58.545 Alison: Yeah. 00:26:58.545 --> 00:26:58.935 Same. 00:26:58.955 --> 00:27:03.873 Matt: I'm going to ask whether my coach knows a percentage of women 00:27:03.903 --> 00:27:06.543 with the more impulsive type. 00:27:06.588 --> 00:27:07.654 Because I'm curious. 00:27:07.654 --> 00:27:10.228 Alison: I'm a special unicorn, Matt, don't take that away from me! 00:27:10.228 --> 00:27:10.318 Matt: True. 00:27:10.428 --> 00:27:10.788 Just you. 00:27:10.788 --> 00:27:12.918 It's you're the only one in history. 00:27:13.158 --> 00:27:15.828 That's why this podcast is going places. 00:27:17.568 --> 00:27:18.198 Alison: We found her. 00:27:18.258 --> 00:27:19.368 The diamond in the rough. 00:27:19.414 --> 00:27:22.714 Well, and you're not like the jittering bouncing off the wall guy. 00:27:22.714 --> 00:27:27.377 So we are both not filling the void that so many others have 00:27:27.377 --> 00:27:29.117 asked us to fill and generations. 00:27:29.213 --> 00:27:31.133 Matt: Even in that, I'm a freaking hipster. 00:27:31.163 --> 00:27:32.003 It's so true. 00:27:32.063 --> 00:27:35.363 Even in that I refuse to comply. 00:27:35.453 --> 00:27:37.763 Alison: I refuse to be hyperactive. 00:27:37.853 --> 00:27:41.373 I demand to be inattentive. 00:27:41.933 --> 00:27:43.283 Matt: Oh, my gosh. 00:27:43.583 --> 00:27:44.543 That's so true. 00:27:48.743 --> 00:27:49.973 You know, my dad was. 00:27:51.003 --> 00:27:54.853 One of the things that I can always get sad about him not being 00:27:54.853 --> 00:27:59.760 here, it's just the fact that he missed a freaking artisinal thing. 00:27:59.940 --> 00:28:03.750 He just missed all the bourbon and everything that people started making. 00:28:03.750 --> 00:28:08.040 Like, you know, we had to go to, we had to go to Taco Bell to 00:28:08.040 --> 00:28:09.990 get tortillas back in the South. 00:28:11.700 --> 00:28:16.950 Back in my day, you had to go to Taco Bell to get a tortilla! 00:28:18.300 --> 00:28:19.230 Alison: Oh, my. 00:28:20.040 --> 00:28:23.760 But they used to have something back in the back in my day… have something 00:28:23.760 --> 00:28:25.774 called a, a chili cheese burrito. 00:28:25.804 --> 00:28:28.174 And I maintain that was the best thing on the Taco Bell menu. 00:28:28.174 --> 00:28:28.924 And I miss it. 00:28:29.554 --> 00:28:30.484 And I want it back. 00:28:30.874 --> 00:28:32.404 I've had that conversation this week. 00:28:32.464 --> 00:28:35.058 Matt: They got rid of seven layer burritos too, finally. 00:28:35.628 --> 00:28:37.428 Alison: Yeah, no more Mexican pizzas. 00:28:37.698 --> 00:28:38.088 Matt: No more. 00:28:39.368 --> 00:28:40.448 We make our own. 00:28:40.608 --> 00:28:41.478 That works pretty well. 00:28:42.018 --> 00:28:43.138 Alison: You're such hipster! 00:28:43.188 --> 00:28:43.608 Well, 00:28:43.608 --> 00:28:44.238 Matt: You're right. 00:28:44.688 --> 00:28:45.138 My, god. 00:28:45.138 --> 00:28:45.948 I'm going to hell. 00:28:46.008 --> 00:28:46.908 I'm going to hell. 00:28:46.938 --> 00:28:47.718 Hipster hell. 00:28:47.868 --> 00:28:48.498 Wow. 00:28:48.648 --> 00:28:51.468 I'm so disappointed because I don't feel like I look like one. 00:28:52.008 --> 00:28:53.388 Though many people would say that I 00:28:53.448 --> 00:28:57.258 Alison: Says the grown ass man with flaming red hair 00:28:57.668 --> 00:28:59.928 and a very enviable wardrobe. 00:29:00.588 --> 00:29:02.218 But sure, Matt. 00:29:02.238 --> 00:29:04.578 Matt: I do have suspenders and I do. 00:29:05.298 --> 00:29:05.418 I 00:29:05.598 --> 00:29:09.918 Alison: I don't know many people more swanky and dapper than you. 00:29:11.718 --> 00:29:14.148 And that is not a bad thing. 00:29:14.298 --> 00:29:14.598 Matt: Yeah. 00:29:15.498 --> 00:29:16.008 Yeah. 00:29:16.218 --> 00:29:16.698 Wow. 00:29:16.758 --> 00:29:17.598 That's interesting. 00:29:17.715 --> 00:29:20.475 Any other D and D news that you've got to share this week 00:29:20.475 --> 00:29:22.485 before we call it a podcast. 00:29:22.885 --> 00:29:25.368 Alison: We did a really good job of not talking about anything 00:29:25.368 --> 00:29:26.548 we gathered to talk about today. 00:29:26.568 --> 00:29:27.858 I'm really proud of us. 00:29:27.968 --> 00:29:29.748 Matt: Yeah, I think that's where this is going to be. 00:29:29.748 --> 00:29:31.786 Every week I'm going to say, okay, do we have an outline? 00:29:31.816 --> 00:29:33.196 And then you craft one. 00:29:33.256 --> 00:29:35.816 And then we full on throw it out. 00:29:35.836 --> 00:29:36.136 Alison: Yup. 00:29:36.526 --> 00:29:37.261 Bye. 00:29:37.331 --> 00:29:40.526 But I mean, the good news is that if we keep that up, we will never truly 00:29:40.526 --> 00:29:41.876 run out of things to talk about. 00:29:43.106 --> 00:29:45.026 I mean, it's just, it's the gift that keeps on giving, 00:29:45.026 --> 00:29:46.496 the party goes on forever. 00:29:47.546 --> 00:29:48.206 I say. 00:29:48.386 --> 00:29:50.126 The road goes on forever and the party never ends. 00:29:50.126 --> 00:29:50.486 There it is. 00:29:50.516 --> 00:29:51.228 I knew I'd get there. 00:29:51.230 --> 00:29:53.726 Matt: The thing that I want to manifest into the Universe, is like 00:29:53.796 --> 00:30:00.180 I really, I really am looking forward to the possibility of people writing 00:30:00.180 --> 00:30:02.520 us and talking to us about these things that we're talking about. 00:30:02.670 --> 00:30:04.140 There is nothing better than that. 00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:10.431 I really cannot wait for that and how it like influences and changes and informs. 00:30:11.511 --> 00:30:11.751 Alison: Yup. 00:30:12.561 --> 00:30:13.281 Matt: And then I can't wait. 00:30:13.311 --> 00:30:14.271 I can't wait to have fans. 00:30:14.271 --> 00:30:16.371 And then I can't wait to have super fans. 00:30:16.371 --> 00:30:18.201 And then I can't wait for those fans to turn on us. 00:30:18.331 --> 00:30:22.235 And say, oh my remember the time where they would like build an outline and 00:30:22.235 --> 00:30:24.335 then they would totally blow it off. 00:30:24.815 --> 00:30:25.895 They don't do that anymore. 00:30:25.955 --> 00:30:28.835 They stick to the outline, every single podcast now. 00:30:29.045 --> 00:30:30.005 They suck. 00:30:31.265 --> 00:30:32.405 Alison: They cured their ADHD. 00:30:32.405 --> 00:30:33.605 They're too organized now. 00:30:33.655 --> 00:30:37.578 There's no defunction in their executive dysfunction. 00:30:40.378 --> 00:30:41.248 That'll never happen. 00:30:41.278 --> 00:30:42.478 I don't want it to ever happen. 00:30:42.478 --> 00:30:44.548 And on that note until next time. 00:30:44.598 --> 00:30:46.338 Next week, let's make sure that we roll some dice. 00:30:46.338 --> 00:30:47.778 Cause that's one thing we didn't do today. 00:30:47.778 --> 00:30:48.378 Matt: Dammit. 00:30:49.188 --> 00:30:50.238 Oh, damn it. 00:30:50.298 --> 00:30:51.534 We didn't, hold on. 00:30:51.534 --> 00:30:52.230 I can do, I 00:30:52.287 --> 00:30:52.969 Alison: What'd you roll? 00:30:53.019 --> 00:30:54.219 Matt: I rolled a 14. 00:30:55.449 --> 00:30:56.469 Alison: Shut up. 00:30:56.469 --> 00:30:57.049 Matt: Did you? 00:30:57.559 --> 00:30:58.639 Alison: I too rolled a 14! 00:30:58.659 --> 00:30:59.439 Matt: All right. 00:30:59.469 --> 00:31:01.269 That's a good, there it is. 00:31:02.089 --> 00:31:03.529 Thank you for listening. 00:31:03.589 --> 00:31:04.699 Thank you for joining us. 00:31:04.789 --> 00:31:07.107 And, this is really fun for me, Alison. 00:31:07.127 --> 00:31:10.817 So thanks for thanks for talking into a mic with me. 00:31:11.477 --> 00:31:12.317 Alison: Likewise. 00:31:12.557 --> 00:31:13.241 Thank you.