WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.789 --> 00:00:06.320 Welcome to the Soul Touched by Dogs Podcast, the show for dog lovers who 00:00:06.340 --> 00:00:12.000 see dogs not as toys or tools, but wise souls worth our respect and care. 00:00:12.580 --> 00:00:14.559 I'm an Herrmann, and I'm your host. 00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:20.560 I talk to poor some humans, people who do great work for dogs and their people. 00:00:21.099 --> 00:00:23.360 So come and join us for today's conversation. 00:00:24.895 --> 00:00:26.665 Anke: Hello and welcome Isla. 00:00:26.665 --> 00:00:26.965 I. 00:00:27.430 --> 00:00:29.950 Forgot to ask you whether I'm butchering your name. 00:00:31.300 --> 00:00:33.370 Uh, you know, I actually also forgot to ask the same thing. 00:00:33.370 --> 00:00:34.060 So my name's 00:00:34.060 --> 00:00:34.570 Isla: Ala. 00:00:34.630 --> 00:00:34.870 It's 00:00:35.080 --> 00:00:35.470 Anke: Ala. 00:00:35.590 --> 00:00:36.400 Oh, that's funny. 00:00:36.400 --> 00:00:37.870 I've been in Spain for too long then. 00:00:38.800 --> 00:00:40.960 Isla: Yeah, its that, that's, uh, I'm used to it. 00:00:40.960 --> 00:00:44.320 I'm used to, many, many people are like, either mispronounced my name or 00:00:44.320 --> 00:00:45.880 asking like, how do you say your name? 00:00:45.880 --> 00:00:47.320 So, and likewise. 00:00:47.320 --> 00:00:47.590 Is it 00:00:47.620 --> 00:00:48.793 Anke: Anca That's It's Anca. 00:00:48.850 --> 00:00:49.960 Yeah, that's German. 00:00:49.960 --> 00:00:51.250 And everybody gets it wrong too. 00:00:51.850 --> 00:00:52.510 A that's funny. 00:00:52.510 --> 00:00:55.600 Like, you know, because I'm seeing Eli like, oh, that's island in Spanish. 00:00:55.600 --> 00:00:55.870 So. 00:00:58.230 --> 00:01:00.475 I didn't even have doubts, that's why I didn't ask. 00:01:00.615 --> 00:01:02.610 But then I thought, well, maybe I'm butchering it. 00:01:03.330 --> 00:01:03.990 So anyway, I 00:01:03.990 --> 00:01:04.770 Isla: don't mind at all. 00:01:04.770 --> 00:01:07.290 I have um, I have some friends in Latin America and they always 00:01:07.290 --> 00:01:09.030 call me ista, which I love. 00:01:09.030 --> 00:01:09.595 Oh, so 00:01:10.140 --> 00:01:10.920 Anke: I don't mind. 00:01:11.220 --> 00:01:11.580 There you go. 00:01:11.580 --> 00:01:11.670 Yeah. 00:01:11.670 --> 00:01:13.170 Makes perfect sense to me. 00:01:13.380 --> 00:01:16.290 So welcome, lovely to have you here. 00:01:16.530 --> 00:01:20.220 So tell people where you are based and what's your business 00:01:20.220 --> 00:01:20.910 Isla: with dogs. 00:01:21.370 --> 00:01:23.560 Oh, thank you so much for that offering invitation. 00:01:23.560 --> 00:01:25.420 So I'm based in northeast England. 00:01:25.600 --> 00:01:29.230 Very, very close to Scotland, about 45 minutes south of Scotland, the 00:01:29.230 --> 00:01:33.490 Scottish borders, and a beautiful county called Northumberland. 00:01:33.490 --> 00:01:35.380 Very ancient and sacred and holy. 00:01:36.190 --> 00:01:40.930 I have been on a long walk with dogs starting off, uh, way, way, way, way 00:01:40.930 --> 00:01:44.560 back when I was doing my PhD and even before then, I was doing a degree 00:01:44.560 --> 00:01:49.180 in zoology and always wanted to be a wolf conservation biologist and. 00:01:49.490 --> 00:01:54.200 Life Spirit Universe took me on a different path of, I managed 00:01:54.200 --> 00:01:57.080 to work with captive walls for a few years, but as I was working 00:01:57.080 --> 00:01:59.690 with captive walls, I started to. 00:02:00.250 --> 00:02:05.020 Have a deeper awareness of the disconnect that animal guardians were having with 00:02:05.020 --> 00:02:06.580 the canine friends that they live with. 00:02:06.880 --> 00:02:10.120 Even though they were coming to visit, you know, a beautiful wild 00:02:10.120 --> 00:02:13.420 animal that was in captivity that they were already talking about. 00:02:13.420 --> 00:02:16.390 Very majestically and almost like falling in love with them. 00:02:16.390 --> 00:02:17.200 But yet there was this. 00:02:17.220 --> 00:02:20.760 Different connection that they were having with their animal friends. 00:02:21.090 --> 00:02:25.500 And so I went on a journey to get people to understand their dog as an ecosystem. 00:02:25.500 --> 00:02:29.370 'cause that was my training in, um, in my PhD as a conservation biologist. 00:02:29.700 --> 00:02:34.500 But I always have had, um, a spiritual path as well. 00:02:34.500 --> 00:02:38.775 Um, and so now I do everything from a canine wellness intuitive, getting 00:02:38.775 --> 00:02:42.945 people to understand their dog as an ecosystem, first and foremost of the 00:02:42.945 --> 00:02:47.925 foundations of a dog as a physical, biological sensing being, but also our 00:02:47.925 --> 00:02:52.485 animal friends as souls and what they offer as soul medicine for our own soul 00:02:52.485 --> 00:02:56.805 evolution and growth from life all the way into our animal friends transition. 00:02:58.035 --> 00:02:59.445 Anke: I love that there's so much in there. 00:02:59.925 --> 00:03:03.375 Like the first thing that jumped out for me was the. 00:03:04.675 --> 00:03:08.965 You mentioned a couple of times, you know, like looking at your dog as an ecosystem, 00:03:09.295 --> 00:03:12.925 so can you unpack that a little bit? 00:03:13.015 --> 00:03:13.075 Yeah. 00:03:13.075 --> 00:03:16.675 I mean, obviously people might know what, okay, what's an ecosystem, but 00:03:16.675 --> 00:03:21.505 like what, almost like what does it mean when you, how does your relationship 00:03:21.505 --> 00:03:25.255 to your dog change when you see them as an ecosystem versus when you don't? 00:03:25.960 --> 00:03:26.650 Isla: Yes. 00:03:26.740 --> 00:03:27.760 Oh, beautiful. 00:03:27.760 --> 00:03:28.630 Thank you for asking. 00:03:28.630 --> 00:03:31.660 So, I mean, yeah, an ecosystem in its entirety as well. 00:03:31.660 --> 00:03:32.980 I wanna break it down of that. 00:03:32.980 --> 00:03:35.860 I'm seeing everything as an individual ecosystem. 00:03:35.860 --> 00:03:40.780 So what is, what works for one dog as an, as an individual ecosystem doesn't mean 00:03:40.780 --> 00:03:42.370 to say it's gonna work for another dog. 00:03:42.370 --> 00:03:46.150 So this is one thing that I do try and unpack for animal Guardians of just 00:03:46.150 --> 00:03:48.790 because the dog book says this doesn't mean to say it's true because it's 00:03:48.790 --> 00:03:50.170 not even being written by dogs, right? 00:03:50.170 --> 00:03:52.870 And like, it's almost like all the dogs get together and go like. 00:03:53.095 --> 00:03:54.835 Dave, have you seen what the humans have been writing? 00:03:54.835 --> 00:03:55.075 Now? 00:03:55.075 --> 00:03:56.455 Apparently we're supposed to do this. 00:03:56.815 --> 00:03:59.005 Uh, and it does always make me laugh, so I'm like, okay. 00:03:59.095 --> 00:04:03.205 Of course, from a very, very, very well educated guess, but it's still 00:04:03.205 --> 00:04:06.985 a very, very well educated guess or a belief or, yes, an understanding of 00:04:07.225 --> 00:04:08.905 when a dog does this, it means this. 00:04:09.055 --> 00:04:11.170 Whereas for me, I'm like, well, why don't we just ask the. 00:04:11.425 --> 00:04:14.485 The dog as an individual because we can do through that psychic 00:04:14.485 --> 00:04:18.505 telepathic, um, animal communication ability, which we can all do. 00:04:18.505 --> 00:04:21.505 And I really love getting people to be in that space of soul 00:04:21.505 --> 00:04:25.255 consciousness and soul consciousness, uh, conversations with their animal. 00:04:25.525 --> 00:04:27.985 But as I say, if we kind of like backtrack a bit and go, but. 00:04:28.315 --> 00:04:31.435 But also what it helps to understand is our dogs, yes, are 00:04:31.435 --> 00:04:32.905 in a physical body right now. 00:04:33.235 --> 00:04:34.675 Uh, they're a biological being. 00:04:34.675 --> 00:04:35.605 They're a scenting being. 00:04:35.605 --> 00:04:38.635 How we can understand them as that ecosystem and as an 00:04:38.635 --> 00:04:40.915 ecosystem, it's really about that. 00:04:40.915 --> 00:04:42.115 There is no separation. 00:04:42.385 --> 00:04:44.545 Separation itself is just an illusion. 00:04:44.935 --> 00:04:48.985 There's a, a beautiful statement, it was taught to me around a teacher of mine, 00:04:48.985 --> 00:04:52.405 but around kind of thought of synthesis actually, where they shared that the 00:04:52.405 --> 00:04:54.295 distance between the sun and the plant. 00:04:54.565 --> 00:04:55.765 Is just an illusion. 00:04:55.825 --> 00:04:57.205 There is no distance whatsoever. 00:04:57.205 --> 00:04:59.515 That that is just, yeah, is just an illusion. 00:04:59.815 --> 00:05:03.355 And it's kind of the same thing that we see our animal friends as separate to 00:05:03.355 --> 00:05:08.695 us or what they're doing is it's them or it's us, or therefore, collectively the 00:05:08.695 --> 00:05:12.835 dog's doing a similar thing in terms of how, what it means to how a dog should be. 00:05:13.135 --> 00:05:16.045 But I kind of here to just unpack all of that to say no. 00:05:16.255 --> 00:05:19.585 Your dog's an individual, so let's just forget what anybody, uh, what 00:05:19.585 --> 00:05:22.255 anybody else's dogs are doing, what your other dogs in the household are doing. 00:05:22.525 --> 00:05:25.375 We're now looking at this dog's an individual, but also how it's 00:05:25.375 --> 00:05:30.865 interconnected to the bigger ecosystem of the earth and the cosmos and the galaxy, 00:05:31.135 --> 00:05:33.295 as well as the ecosystem that we are. 00:05:33.755 --> 00:05:37.445 But when we start to look at our dogs as an individual ecosystem, it's 00:05:37.445 --> 00:05:41.465 kind of looking at how stable they are, uh, in all these different ways. 00:05:41.465 --> 00:05:45.305 So emotionally, mentally, physically, spiritually, the sense of peace that 00:05:45.305 --> 00:05:49.865 they receive, um, how connected they are with nature, uh, again, in terms 00:05:49.865 --> 00:05:52.625 of how we allow them to be connected to their environment, to nature. 00:05:52.895 --> 00:05:56.495 And then looking at our dog as, um, having energy gateways. 00:05:56.925 --> 00:06:02.025 So they have all these different gateways, these pathways that influence 00:06:02.055 --> 00:06:08.085 and, um, enhance or almost sabotage how robust and how stable the ecosystem is. 00:06:08.085 --> 00:06:11.985 So it's not just about training, it's not just about behavior. 00:06:11.985 --> 00:06:13.365 It's not just about communication. 00:06:13.365 --> 00:06:14.385 It's not just about teaching. 00:06:14.385 --> 00:06:15.555 It's not just about diet. 00:06:15.555 --> 00:06:17.775 It's not just about their physiological health. 00:06:17.775 --> 00:06:19.815 It, it's, it's about everything is entirety. 00:06:19.815 --> 00:06:20.985 What is being fed? 00:06:21.290 --> 00:06:26.240 Into the dog as an individual ecosystem and how that creates stability or how 00:06:26.240 --> 00:06:29.000 that can create nuances within it. 00:06:29.240 --> 00:06:30.170 And it kind of. 00:06:30.640 --> 00:06:34.450 It kind of came about because of my background in learning about ecosystems. 00:06:34.720 --> 00:06:38.530 But it was also around when I was doing my zoology degree, we were learning 00:06:38.530 --> 00:06:43.660 about the um, ger germ theory hypothesis and the terrain theory hypothesis. 00:06:43.750 --> 00:06:47.470 And it was just so happened that the germ theory hypothesis kind of just everybody 00:06:47.470 --> 00:06:48.460 went, oh, yeah, that makes sense. 00:06:48.460 --> 00:06:50.860 We like it where it was kind of like germs are everywhere. 00:06:50.860 --> 00:06:51.730 Germs are everywhere. 00:06:51.730 --> 00:06:53.260 So that's why we get diseases. 00:06:53.470 --> 00:06:54.190 And of course, I mean. 00:06:54.355 --> 00:06:57.235 Germs are everywhere, which is the whole point of how robust our 00:06:57.235 --> 00:07:02.215 ecosystem is, how stable it is, means that we are more or less likely to 00:07:02.215 --> 00:07:06.235 allow these diseases into our body, into our being, into our ecosystem. 00:07:06.505 --> 00:07:07.045 And so. 00:07:07.555 --> 00:07:12.265 For me, what makes much more sense is the terrain theory hypothesis, which is how 00:07:12.265 --> 00:07:16.285 healthy an individual ecosystem is, not just health in terms of physical health, 00:07:16.285 --> 00:07:20.365 but physically and mentally, emotionally, spiritually, actually gives an indication 00:07:20.365 --> 00:07:25.210 of how strong and robust they are, which then allows them to prevent. 00:07:26.345 --> 00:07:27.065 Nuances. 00:07:27.065 --> 00:07:32.585 So disease, which we kind of know is a distress, a disease, a perturbation 00:07:32.915 --> 00:07:37.445 within the ecosystem of the individual and kind of exploring, not from a place of 00:07:37.445 --> 00:07:41.945 desperation or obsession, because that in in essence, affects the ecosystem as well. 00:07:42.275 --> 00:07:44.825 Just from a place of curiosity of, okay, what can I learn here? 00:07:44.825 --> 00:07:46.415 How can I understand Maybe. 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:48.840 I maybe shouldn't be vaccinating my dog. 00:07:48.840 --> 00:07:51.180 Maybe I should, looking at my dog's diet, maybe I should be looking at my 00:07:51.180 --> 00:07:55.200 own emotional state, my own spiritual health, my own personal work where I'm 00:07:55.200 --> 00:07:59.580 exercising my dog, how I'm exercising my dog, the movement that my animal 00:07:59.580 --> 00:08:04.440 needs, um, how my animal is moving out, my animal friends, functional character. 00:08:04.440 --> 00:08:07.620 I mean, it's all broken down into these energy gateways. 00:08:07.620 --> 00:08:08.310 And then the. 00:08:08.680 --> 00:08:12.400 Really the healing that we can offer ourselves and also our animal friends. 00:08:12.730 --> 00:08:13.240 Mm-hmm. 00:08:13.510 --> 00:08:16.690 Anke: Yeah, I love that because there is so much, and I think looking 00:08:16.690 --> 00:08:20.050 at the dog in front of you, you know, like that really speaks to me 00:08:20.050 --> 00:08:21.730 because while I've had, you know. 00:08:22.345 --> 00:08:22.795 Four of them. 00:08:22.795 --> 00:08:23.725 Not never, never. 00:08:23.725 --> 00:08:24.355 All of them. 00:08:24.655 --> 00:08:26.335 Always between two or three basically. 00:08:26.665 --> 00:08:30.715 But, um, never all of them together, but they, they, they are really different. 00:08:30.955 --> 00:08:33.865 I got like, I think when you have one dog, you can't even picture that. 00:08:33.865 --> 00:08:37.075 Like you cannot, even, like when I had my first dog, I could not even 00:08:37.075 --> 00:08:41.245 imagine how different they would be, you know, from one individual, even 00:08:41.245 --> 00:08:45.235 if they live in the house in the same house and grow up in theory, like the 00:08:45.235 --> 00:08:47.125 same way, a bit like siblings, I guess. 00:08:47.275 --> 00:08:51.865 They're still individual, individual people, and, and I found. 00:08:52.675 --> 00:08:59.095 Trying to get advice and information was kind of often more, like, more 00:08:59.095 --> 00:09:02.935 confusion and help, you know, like, just like, oh no, you have to do it this way. 00:09:02.935 --> 00:09:06.745 But then, yeah, my dog didn't respond the way they yes, should 00:09:06.750 --> 00:09:08.035 and, and things like that. 00:09:08.035 --> 00:09:14.845 So to really take this more inwards and, and, and come so w. 00:09:15.820 --> 00:09:19.420 If somebody goes, well, that makes sense and that makes more sense 00:09:19.420 --> 00:09:23.650 than, Hey, you know, like, the dog does this and this is what it means. 00:09:23.650 --> 00:09:25.870 And, you know, let's just try a different way. 00:09:25.870 --> 00:09:28.180 What, what do you think is a good place to start? 00:09:28.210 --> 00:09:31.270 Because there feels, it feels to me like there's a lot, there's a lot of 00:09:31.270 --> 00:09:35.530 moving pieces, there's a lot of to take into account if I'm now thinking 00:09:35.530 --> 00:09:38.800 like, okay, let's make a robust. 00:09:40.255 --> 00:09:44.065 Ecosystem or like, you know, if I think of like an immune system, you 00:09:44.065 --> 00:09:48.070 know, I'm thinking like if I want to strengthen, if I wanna make sure my dog. 00:09:48.640 --> 00:09:52.240 Yes, there'll be, and I remember actually now that you're saying this, there, there 00:09:52.240 --> 00:09:56.530 was somebody who did, uh, I think agility or something like that, and there was 00:09:56.530 --> 00:10:02.680 this discussion between all the, you know, the handlers what, uh, like flea stuff to 00:10:02.680 --> 00:10:06.850 use, because in the sand it was all like, and all these dogs were full of fleas. 00:10:07.090 --> 00:10:09.130 And she says, my dogs don't get any. 00:10:09.705 --> 00:10:10.185 Ever. 00:10:10.755 --> 00:10:16.545 And I don't give any medication at all because she says my dog's immune system is 00:10:16.545 --> 00:10:19.785 strong enough to not be invested by that. 00:10:20.055 --> 00:10:20.415 You know? 00:10:20.415 --> 00:10:22.245 And that made a lot of sense to me. 00:10:22.245 --> 00:10:25.755 So if I'm now saying like, oh, I want my my doctor to be like that, right? 00:10:25.755 --> 00:10:26.055 Yeah. 00:10:26.085 --> 00:10:30.945 To not needing to kind of just not be receptable to all this kind of stuff that. 00:10:31.450 --> 00:10:35.290 Other dogs kind of get, get, get hit with like, where would I start? 00:10:35.530 --> 00:10:36.160 Isla: Yeah. 00:10:36.160 --> 00:10:39.910 And it is such a great question because as a dog guardian, we 00:10:39.910 --> 00:10:44.110 kind of just go, oh, I'm getting a dog and I'm just getting a dog. 00:10:44.140 --> 00:10:49.120 It, we don't really expect to then have to learn the wealth of information 00:10:49.120 --> 00:10:52.030 that's out there now of like, you know, wanting the best for animal friends. 00:10:52.360 --> 00:10:54.310 And I kind of wanna start with, um. 00:10:55.045 --> 00:10:58.165 We are already, just by bringing an animal friend into our life, we're 00:10:58.165 --> 00:10:59.245 already doing the best for them. 00:10:59.665 --> 00:11:03.715 And also our animals are perfect as they are already. 00:11:03.715 --> 00:11:04.975 They already know that they're perfect. 00:11:04.975 --> 00:11:07.855 They already come being this beautiful, perfect being. 00:11:08.125 --> 00:11:13.555 And they also do not live from thinking, which I absolutely love. 00:11:13.855 --> 00:11:16.105 We as an animal, ourselves, as human. 00:11:16.585 --> 00:11:19.585 We also should live from a place of feeling like our animal friends do. 00:11:19.585 --> 00:11:22.165 So rather than thinking we should feel, and when we drop in this place 00:11:22.165 --> 00:11:26.035 of feeling, we actually realize that there's actually no questions. 00:11:26.065 --> 00:11:31.285 We can just enjoy this experience with our animal friend as they're equally as souls 00:11:31.615 --> 00:11:35.875 coming into our life to give us a learning experience because they are already, it's 00:11:35.875 --> 00:11:39.565 almost like they are already a higher level of consciousness than what we are, 00:11:39.565 --> 00:11:42.655 because they're not, they don't live from worry, from doubt, from judgment, 00:11:42.655 --> 00:11:44.605 from blame, from ego, from excuses. 00:11:44.605 --> 00:11:45.145 They're just like. 00:11:45.440 --> 00:11:45.740 Yeah. 00:11:45.770 --> 00:11:46.040 Okay. 00:11:46.040 --> 00:11:46.460 I'm love. 00:11:46.490 --> 00:11:46.760 Yeah. 00:11:46.790 --> 00:11:46.970 Okay. 00:11:46.975 --> 00:11:47.420 And I'm love. 00:11:47.450 --> 00:11:47.810 Oh, yes. 00:11:47.810 --> 00:11:48.020 Okay. 00:11:48.020 --> 00:11:48.710 I love myself. 00:11:48.710 --> 00:11:53.240 They, they don't attach to anything I always say, you know, um, a dog's not 00:11:53.240 --> 00:11:58.160 walking the street going, oh, I, I wish I was, that black Labrador over there 00:11:58.940 --> 00:12:00.470 isn't gonna slim our waist that I do. 00:12:00.560 --> 00:12:00.860 Yeah, exactly. 00:12:00.860 --> 00:12:02.780 Looks so, so much that they're not. 00:12:02.780 --> 00:12:06.260 And this is, you know, as, as a animal guardian, we often put our 00:12:06.260 --> 00:12:10.730 own conversations, our own narrative into our dogs of what they're 00:12:10.730 --> 00:12:12.950 thinking, what they're saying, and. 00:12:13.270 --> 00:12:16.270 It kind of creates, we give ourselves a hard time. 00:12:16.270 --> 00:12:19.750 We beat ourselves up, and so for me, a really good place to start is 00:12:19.750 --> 00:12:23.590 actually What conversations are you telling yourself about your dog? 00:12:23.980 --> 00:12:28.810 And go to the feeling of that and what your animal is in your life for. 00:12:29.050 --> 00:12:32.860 I really feel like when we are our animal friends are in our lives 00:12:32.860 --> 00:12:36.340 for our own healing journey, our own access to sole evolution, and 00:12:36.340 --> 00:12:38.830 when we can start to consider, oh. 00:12:39.105 --> 00:12:42.135 Actually, I think this about my animal friend, or when my animal 00:12:42.135 --> 00:12:43.245 friend does this, I'm telling it. 00:12:43.275 --> 00:12:45.885 I'm telling my animal friend that they're wrong or I believe that 00:12:45.885 --> 00:12:48.255 they're wrong, or they're right when they do this, or they're wrong 00:12:48.255 --> 00:12:50.355 when they do that, or they're good when they do this and they're bad. 00:12:50.355 --> 00:12:53.085 When they do that, even in those moments in the spaces, they're 00:12:53.085 --> 00:12:54.526 already asking us to like, no, no, no. 00:12:54.531 --> 00:12:56.085 Let's just annihilate all those things. 00:12:56.085 --> 00:12:56.835 That's not even true. 00:12:56.835 --> 00:12:59.535 It's a belief system that's being placed into us. 00:12:59.625 --> 00:13:03.405 Let's just drop into the moment where our animal friends are living from anyway. 00:13:03.700 --> 00:13:06.040 Of how is my animal friend? 00:13:06.100 --> 00:13:07.570 How are they in this moment? 00:13:07.570 --> 00:13:08.950 What are they sharing? 00:13:08.950 --> 00:13:13.360 What are they emitting or reflecting back to me about how their behavior 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:17.530 or how they are physically, mentally, emotionally, how it's making me feel. 00:13:17.680 --> 00:13:20.170 And actually, for me, that's a really powerful place to begin 00:13:20.170 --> 00:13:22.900 because in order to be in this space. 00:13:23.165 --> 00:13:26.045 That our animal friends are, which is unconditional love. 00:13:26.105 --> 00:13:28.775 They love us unconditionally, love themselves unconditionally, 00:13:28.775 --> 00:13:31.175 and actually that's what they're asking us to do for ourselves. 00:13:31.445 --> 00:13:34.715 If I loved myself unconditionally, I wouldn't be, and like, oh, 00:13:34.715 --> 00:13:35.765 is my animal friend okay? 00:13:35.855 --> 00:13:37.265 Oh, how can I be improving this? 00:13:37.355 --> 00:13:39.455 Oh my goodness, are they, are they really angry with me? 00:13:39.575 --> 00:13:40.805 Oh, they're doing something wrong. 00:13:40.835 --> 00:13:41.795 It's just like, oh, okay. 00:13:41.795 --> 00:13:43.475 We're just having an experience right now. 00:13:43.475 --> 00:13:44.615 We're just having a moment. 00:13:44.765 --> 00:13:48.755 And so if we go back to the feeling, which again is what our animal friends 00:13:48.755 --> 00:13:53.225 are admitting or emitting all the time, and what I love so much about dogs is dogs 00:13:53.225 --> 00:13:56.465 have the largest heart master body ratio. 00:13:56.465 --> 00:13:56.555 Mm-hmm. 00:13:57.125 --> 00:14:00.455 Which many people don't know, but they literally are heart beings. 00:14:00.455 --> 00:14:03.065 They're inviting us to be back in the heart, which is where 00:14:03.065 --> 00:14:04.325 we should be living from. 00:14:04.745 --> 00:14:08.465 And this is what even blows my mind even more, that is humans. 00:14:08.890 --> 00:14:14.080 When we are developing as a fetus, our heart is the first organ of perception 00:14:14.080 --> 00:14:15.940 that comes online at four weeks old. 00:14:16.120 --> 00:14:19.120 So when we're four week old fetus, our heart comes online. 00:14:19.450 --> 00:14:22.180 Our head doesn't come online until the third trimester. 00:14:22.630 --> 00:14:26.800 So we're already having a heart experience at four week old fetus and making these 00:14:26.800 --> 00:14:28.425 heart connections with our animal friends. 00:14:28.540 --> 00:14:31.990 And that's really where they're inviting us to return to, to come back into 00:14:31.990 --> 00:14:35.710 unconditional love, come back into the moment, come back into the heart where 00:14:35.710 --> 00:14:38.530 we're feeling, and as we start to feel. 00:14:38.890 --> 00:14:45.070 Really, truly, and fully, we start to heal and then we can start to see actually my 00:14:45.070 --> 00:14:50.380 animal friend is really good as they are because I am also really good as I am. 00:14:50.590 --> 00:14:53.860 And then we can start to have an awareness of just where we maybe. 00:14:54.140 --> 00:15:00.020 Projecting or our own fears or ego or concerns or judgments, we're placing 00:15:00.020 --> 00:15:03.350 onto our animal friends, and that's kind of what they in our life for, 00:15:03.350 --> 00:15:06.680 plus many, many of the things for their own soul journey experience as well. 00:15:06.980 --> 00:15:11.210 But I always find that, oh my goodness, I, I've got, where the heck do I begin? 00:15:11.210 --> 00:15:11.930 Do I learn about this? 00:15:11.930 --> 00:15:12.590 Do I learn about that? 00:15:12.590 --> 00:15:12.800 Do. 00:15:13.285 --> 00:15:14.905 Let's just default to reset. 00:15:14.905 --> 00:15:18.025 Reset back into the heart, because when we're in the mind worrying, worrying 00:15:18.025 --> 00:15:19.885 where we're gonna be all over the place. 00:15:20.095 --> 00:15:23.545 So in this moment, although there's a wealth of things to understand, 00:15:23.815 --> 00:15:28.495 let's reset back into the heart, go to our feeling, see our dog. 00:15:28.755 --> 00:15:32.625 As unconditional love the invitation asking us to unconditional, to have 00:15:32.685 --> 00:15:36.585 unconditional love for ourselves and start there around the questions 00:15:36.585 --> 00:15:40.125 that start to percolate, but from the heart, from the feeling. 00:15:40.455 --> 00:15:42.945 Um, I always find this a really, really great place to start. 00:15:43.035 --> 00:15:44.175 Mm, I love that. 00:15:44.175 --> 00:15:44.655 Anke: I love that. 00:15:44.925 --> 00:15:48.615 I mean it, what I'm, what I'm hearing, like the first thing that jumps to 00:15:48.615 --> 00:15:52.515 mind is like, oh, be, you know, like how often he was like, be more dog. 00:15:52.515 --> 00:15:52.605 Yes. 00:15:52.785 --> 00:15:54.405 You, that's kind of the objective. 00:15:54.405 --> 00:15:54.675 Right? 00:15:54.675 --> 00:15:55.575 And also to. 00:15:55.930 --> 00:16:02.995 To see them more as a teacher rather than a being to be controlled and to be clean. 00:16:02.995 --> 00:16:03.515 Oh my goodness. 00:16:03.515 --> 00:16:03.755 Yeah. 00:16:03.975 --> 00:16:10.240 And to be like, it's almost like what is it that they are trying to communicate? 00:16:10.780 --> 00:16:11.740 Oh, thank you. 00:16:12.695 --> 00:16:15.610 Oh, I'm gonna take some lunch here. 00:16:16.870 --> 00:16:17.620 Isla: So, nice look. 00:16:17.620 --> 00:16:19.000 Be more dog and have some lunch. 00:16:19.090 --> 00:16:19.720 Amazing. 00:16:23.935 --> 00:16:26.755 Anke: Yeah, so, so it's that, it's that sense of like looking and 00:16:26.815 --> 00:16:31.135 as, as an invitation to try and understand what they're communicating. 00:16:31.165 --> 00:16:31.945 Isla: Yes, yes. 00:16:31.945 --> 00:16:34.525 You know, it's such an invitation, you know, one of the things that I said 00:16:34.525 --> 00:16:38.695 to, to, to my clients is that they may be coming to me for X, y, and Z 00:16:38.695 --> 00:16:40.465 reasons about my dog, my dog, my dog. 00:16:40.465 --> 00:16:42.295 And I'm like, actually, let's just park all of that. 00:16:42.295 --> 00:16:44.065 We, let's explore if we need to. 00:16:44.365 --> 00:16:47.605 My first question is, what is your animal friend presenting to you? 00:16:48.415 --> 00:16:50.425 I don't care that it's, it's just a belief system. 00:16:50.425 --> 00:16:52.525 If it's good or bad or right or wrong, or it's doing something, it 00:16:52.525 --> 00:16:57.385 shouldn't, it's behaving, it doesn't know it's in that moment for the dog. 00:16:57.415 --> 00:17:00.145 It's, it's good and it's right and it's true because that's what they're doing. 00:17:00.175 --> 00:17:02.095 They don't know whether it's right or wrong or good or bad, and in 00:17:02.095 --> 00:17:04.435 fact it's just perfect because all they're doing is behaving. 00:17:04.975 --> 00:17:07.525 Um, but when we go to that question of what is your animal friend 00:17:07.525 --> 00:17:09.505 presenting to you, it's, I want. 00:17:09.505 --> 00:17:12.205 Due to go to the feeling of how it makes you feel? 00:17:12.595 --> 00:17:13.795 Well, it makes me feel awkward. 00:17:13.795 --> 00:17:14.785 It makes me feel uncomfortable. 00:17:14.785 --> 00:17:15.895 It makes me feel embarrassed. 00:17:15.895 --> 00:17:17.785 It makes me feel frustrated. 00:17:18.025 --> 00:17:22.225 Okay, well this is all useful information because in that moment, your animal 00:17:22.225 --> 00:17:26.065 friend is bringing forward a charge within your body that is not being integrated. 00:17:26.065 --> 00:17:29.515 So it's being brought forward for us to look at your animal friends that 00:17:29.515 --> 00:17:30.835 you're going, can you look at this now? 00:17:30.835 --> 00:17:33.445 And again, most of the time we rebound it back onto the dog. 00:17:33.445 --> 00:17:34.375 You know, it's the dog's fault. 00:17:34.375 --> 00:17:34.975 The dog's in. 00:17:35.305 --> 00:17:37.585 The dog's in the wrong, and it's nothing that at all. 00:17:37.585 --> 00:17:38.005 It's like we. 00:17:38.005 --> 00:17:39.825 Go to that feeling. 00:17:40.275 --> 00:17:44.205 And then the question can be, so where in your life was the first time 00:17:44.205 --> 00:17:45.285 you were made to feel embarrassed? 00:17:45.285 --> 00:17:47.655 Where in your life were the first time you were told that you were wrong? 00:17:47.655 --> 00:17:48.495 And it's not true. 00:17:48.735 --> 00:17:49.875 So we often. 00:17:50.590 --> 00:17:52.210 Project onto our dogs. 00:17:52.210 --> 00:17:55.750 What, what we were put into when we were, when we were young children. 00:17:55.900 --> 00:18:00.070 So the quality of our life experience, I often find is what our animal friends 00:18:00.070 --> 00:18:03.100 are kind of so beautifully in our life for, to go, Hey, don't worry about it. 00:18:03.100 --> 00:18:04.510 Just I'm on this journey with you. 00:18:04.810 --> 00:18:09.280 I'm here to support you, to teach you of how you can see these unintegrated. 00:18:09.370 --> 00:18:12.520 Charges that are just asking to be loved now, that are just asking 00:18:12.520 --> 00:18:14.740 to be welcome and just asking you, do you know what, sweetheart? 00:18:14.950 --> 00:18:18.070 You also didn't do anything wrong, but you're at the moment putting 00:18:18.070 --> 00:18:21.370 that onto me because again, it's a belief system that we've been 00:18:21.370 --> 00:18:24.640 conditioned to to live our lives from, and they're the complete opposite. 00:18:24.640 --> 00:18:25.660 They're living their life from like. 00:18:25.775 --> 00:18:26.405 Oh my goodness. 00:18:26.405 --> 00:18:27.185 Isn't life amazing? 00:18:27.215 --> 00:18:29.045 Oh my goodness, I'm so full of joy and happiness. 00:18:29.255 --> 00:18:30.005 Oh my goodness. 00:18:30.005 --> 00:18:33.635 Uh, this is what's happening in this moment really being led from the heart. 00:18:33.635 --> 00:18:37.085 So I really feel like there absolutely are our teachers. 00:18:37.085 --> 00:18:40.055 When we can look at it from that perspective, what my animal, how 00:18:40.055 --> 00:18:41.735 is my animal friend making me feel? 00:18:42.035 --> 00:18:43.595 And what are they here to teach me? 00:18:43.595 --> 00:18:48.875 Whilst at the same time, what can I learn to support their ecosystem and 00:18:48.875 --> 00:18:50.645 to really give them the best life? 00:18:50.645 --> 00:18:52.865 But if that is our intention, anyway. 00:18:53.095 --> 00:18:56.725 Then that is also what they're receiving, which I know, you know, animal gardens, 00:18:56.725 --> 00:18:59.605 we, we don't want anything other than our dogs to have their best life. 00:18:59.815 --> 00:19:03.745 So even just holding that intention, even though they may have a disease 00:19:03.745 --> 00:19:07.345 or they may have itchy skin, or they may have fleas, or they may be having 00:19:07.345 --> 00:19:10.765 some serious conditions like cancer or, you know, to towards the end of their 00:19:10.765 --> 00:19:12.025 life, those things are inevitable. 00:19:12.025 --> 00:19:13.855 We can't, you know, here to play God. 00:19:13.855 --> 00:19:17.155 We can't stop a transition from happening when it's supposed to happen. 00:19:17.575 --> 00:19:20.845 But that powerful intention of going, okay, yeah, how do I. 00:19:21.940 --> 00:19:25.930 Relax and say all pressure, like all bets are off, all pressure is off. 00:19:25.930 --> 00:19:28.000 I'm here having an experience with my animal friend. 00:19:28.330 --> 00:19:32.050 How do I make it a really wonderful, truly beautiful experience? 00:19:32.350 --> 00:19:35.980 Um, but being from that place of the heart and how my animal friend makes me feel, I. 00:19:36.775 --> 00:19:38.305 Anke: Yeah, that makes so much sense. 00:19:38.485 --> 00:19:40.915 Reminds me of this book by Kevin Beehan. 00:19:41.155 --> 00:19:42.475 Uh, your Dog is Your Mirror. 00:19:42.685 --> 00:19:43.135 Isla: Yeah. 00:19:43.135 --> 00:19:43.315 Yes. 00:19:43.465 --> 00:19:44.335 Oh, so true. 00:19:44.660 --> 00:19:45.775 It is so true. 00:19:45.775 --> 00:19:46.435 It is so true. 00:19:46.435 --> 00:19:48.655 And you know, there's another one that I recommend that's actually 00:19:48.655 --> 00:19:51.505 got nothing to do with dogs, but it's actually to do with children. 00:19:51.505 --> 00:19:53.785 But if you cross child out in many of the chapters and put 00:19:53.785 --> 00:19:54.865 always the same, isn't it? 00:19:54.865 --> 00:19:55.855 It is almost the same. 00:19:55.855 --> 00:19:59.035 And it's called, um, the book You Wish your Parents had Read. 00:19:59.445 --> 00:20:01.215 And your child would be glad that you did. 00:20:01.365 --> 00:20:04.515 And it's so honestly, if you replace the word child with dog in so many of those 00:20:04.515 --> 00:20:09.345 chapters, I'm like, this is, we do exactly the same to our children as that we do 00:20:09.345 --> 00:20:12.795 to our dogs, or we do exactly the same to our dogs that we do to our children, 00:20:13.005 --> 00:20:14.565 because that's kind of what happened. 00:20:14.565 --> 00:20:14.625 I. 00:20:14.625 --> 00:20:17.820 To us as children, the quality of our life experiences kind 00:20:17.820 --> 00:20:19.560 of is massively explained. 00:20:19.560 --> 00:20:22.620 It's, it's not the only factor, but it can hugely explain actually 00:20:22.620 --> 00:20:26.760 how we, how we are with our animal friends and the belief systems that 00:20:26.760 --> 00:20:29.940 we impose onto them when they are not living from a belief system at all. 00:20:30.180 --> 00:20:31.860 So when we go back to that, like actually. 00:20:32.425 --> 00:20:36.145 As a child growing up, my parents, my grandparents, my, my role models, 00:20:36.145 --> 00:20:39.835 my elders in my society that were not terribly wise, were basically 00:20:39.835 --> 00:20:43.465 saying, um, here, can you also unconsciously carry my wounds? 00:20:43.495 --> 00:20:44.695 'cause I don't know what to do with them. 00:20:45.145 --> 00:20:47.605 And so we carry them through those role models. 00:20:47.605 --> 00:20:51.145 We carry them in ourselves, but then we carry them over and put 00:20:51.145 --> 00:20:52.675 them into our dogs unconsciously. 00:20:52.675 --> 00:20:55.825 So, and still, until we start to realize that's what we're doing. 00:20:56.335 --> 00:21:00.510 And with absolute purity of unconditional loaf, that's why our animal friends. 00:21:00.935 --> 00:21:04.025 Uh, one of the reasons why they're with us to go, yeah, I'm gonna help you do this. 00:21:04.025 --> 00:21:05.375 I'm gonna help you to see. 00:21:05.645 --> 00:21:06.575 And also, it's okay. 00:21:06.635 --> 00:21:07.685 Don't blame yourself. 00:21:07.685 --> 00:21:09.065 Don't think that I hate you. 00:21:09.395 --> 00:21:10.535 Forgive yourself. 00:21:10.865 --> 00:21:14.285 Don't, don't put this pressure on yourself of like you're doing something wrong. 00:21:14.615 --> 00:21:16.685 'cause the reality is we're not doing anything wrong. 00:21:16.685 --> 00:21:19.265 It was just put into us from a very, very, very early age. 00:21:19.570 --> 00:21:19.870 Anke: Yeah. 00:21:19.870 --> 00:21:22.960 And it's that moment of, of becoming aware of it. 00:21:22.960 --> 00:21:26.380 And I think that's where they saw such beautiful teachers. 00:21:26.410 --> 00:21:28.090 'cause you've got them right in front of you, you know? 00:21:28.090 --> 00:21:28.180 Yes. 00:21:28.180 --> 00:21:33.790 So if you can come at it from curiosity rather than how can I, you 00:21:33.795 --> 00:21:35.530 know, like I, I, every time I, uh. 00:21:37.090 --> 00:21:40.510 Host like a, you know, invite an expert to do a class. 00:21:40.510 --> 00:21:44.380 I always ask people when they register, what are you most curious to learn about? 00:21:44.380 --> 00:21:44.680 Right? 00:21:44.680 --> 00:21:44.740 Yeah. 00:21:45.010 --> 00:21:49.480 And they, and I think what warms my heart is that the one quest, or the one 00:21:49.480 --> 00:21:53.170 thing that comes up most of the time is. 00:21:53.455 --> 00:21:54.955 To understand my dog better. 00:21:55.615 --> 00:21:55.855 Right? 00:21:55.855 --> 00:21:59.665 So it's that, you know, but there is a lot of like, how can I, and especially 00:21:59.665 --> 00:22:03.445 when the class is about a specific topic, there is a lot like, how can I make them 00:22:03.445 --> 00:22:05.635 stop doing this and stop doing that? 00:22:05.695 --> 00:22:06.025 Right? 00:22:06.295 --> 00:22:11.785 So, but the overarching intention is to understand what's going on. 00:22:12.025 --> 00:22:15.985 And I think it's almost inevitable the more we understand about the dogs. 00:22:15.985 --> 00:22:19.015 It's like we become better per better people in the process, right? 00:22:19.015 --> 00:22:20.155 Because we're learning all this stuff. 00:22:20.155 --> 00:22:20.425 Absolutely. 00:22:20.875 --> 00:22:21.475 Isla: Absolutely. 00:22:21.475 --> 00:22:21.655 Yeah. 00:22:21.655 --> 00:22:25.975 I mean, we, they, the way that I see our animal friends is yes, the, 00:22:25.975 --> 00:22:28.585 the truth is they're a biological animal in a physical body. 00:22:28.585 --> 00:22:31.825 I want to know how to support them so that they are enjoying their life and 00:22:31.825 --> 00:22:36.985 their transition, but also they're in expression of spirit that's manifest into 00:22:36.985 --> 00:22:39.325 a physical form, clearly disguised as dog. 00:22:39.325 --> 00:22:40.885 'cause I'm gonna fall in love with my dog and. 00:22:41.300 --> 00:22:43.790 That expression of spirit is going, can you look at this now? 00:22:43.790 --> 00:22:44.390 Can you see this? 00:22:44.390 --> 00:22:47.060 Now we are coming to give you this spiritual message. 00:22:47.300 --> 00:22:50.270 So absolutely our animal friends do make us better people because they 00:22:50.270 --> 00:22:55.160 are here to enhance and shift our into our soul evolution, which is kind of 00:22:55.160 --> 00:22:56.900 also what we're here to do as humans. 00:22:56.990 --> 00:22:58.850 And so I really love this space when. 00:22:59.290 --> 00:23:03.460 It becomes rather than a question yes of how do I stop, how do I get, how do I 00:23:03.460 --> 00:23:07.360 make sure that they don't all those words, because they're just words that, again, 00:23:07.360 --> 00:23:11.650 we've been conditioned to have a, whatever the belief system attached to, they all 00:23:11.650 --> 00:23:14.740 kind of get dissolved or we're just like, okay, we don't ma, those things don't 00:23:14.740 --> 00:23:18.995 matter anymore, but how can I enhance my relationship with my animal friend? 00:23:19.000 --> 00:23:20.110 How can I have. 00:23:20.500 --> 00:23:22.390 A conversation with their consciousness. 00:23:22.390 --> 00:23:26.440 So I understand for my animal as an individual, who they are, how 00:23:26.440 --> 00:23:29.770 it is for them, how they feel, what they're here to teach me. 00:23:29.920 --> 00:23:33.010 And that absolutely enhances, um, our relationship. 00:23:33.040 --> 00:23:33.220 Yeah. 00:23:33.220 --> 00:23:36.100 Rather than the, you can't do this or you can redo it there, 00:23:36.100 --> 00:23:37.330 or I'm telling you to do this. 00:23:37.330 --> 00:23:41.440 And it's such an old, old, old system that, for me has never made sense 00:23:41.440 --> 00:23:45.100 and it, and it isn't working and it doesn't work because they, they're 00:23:45.100 --> 00:23:46.810 so much more than the physical body. 00:23:46.810 --> 00:23:48.580 And, and that's also what they know. 00:23:48.580 --> 00:23:49.180 They're not afraid. 00:23:49.180 --> 00:23:50.775 Afraid to announce who they are. 00:23:50.775 --> 00:23:53.385 They, they're not afraid to show who they are, not just in their 00:23:53.385 --> 00:23:55.245 physical form, but, but beyond that. 00:23:55.545 --> 00:23:59.265 And that's kind of the reason why we love them so much, because partly we 00:23:59.265 --> 00:24:00.945 wish that we could be that authentic. 00:24:00.945 --> 00:24:03.015 We wish that we could be like, I don't care what anybody thinks 00:24:03.015 --> 00:24:05.325 about me, I'm gonna be in my truth. 00:24:05.565 --> 00:24:07.365 And many of us don't feel like we can. 00:24:07.395 --> 00:24:10.155 And so it's why, kind of like we love them so much, but at the same time we're 00:24:10.155 --> 00:24:13.575 trying to stop them being so honest and innocent and raw and authentic. 00:24:13.575 --> 00:24:16.485 But they can't not, they can't, they can't hide it. 00:24:16.855 --> 00:24:17.365 Anke: Yeah. 00:24:17.845 --> 00:24:19.465 It's, it's so, it's so true. 00:24:19.615 --> 00:24:22.225 And I think we also play quite a bit of a role. 00:24:22.255 --> 00:24:26.755 'cause I've really seen it with, with Mayan as, as the more we can, 00:24:27.025 --> 00:24:29.305 we can be calm and you know, and. 00:24:31.210 --> 00:24:34.750 Not worried and not up in our head and not kind of straight outta mind because 00:24:34.750 --> 00:24:36.220 they, they soaked that up, right? 00:24:36.520 --> 00:24:36.850 Oh, totally. 00:24:36.850 --> 00:24:43.270 And I remember like little Beck High, he was like, you know, very sort of nervous. 00:24:43.270 --> 00:24:47.710 Like he had like a lousy experience, like right when he was like super tiny 00:24:47.710 --> 00:24:51.280 and he was always a little bit on edge, like super sensitive as I got to learn. 00:24:51.850 --> 00:24:53.200 And he used to be. 00:24:54.130 --> 00:24:57.760 You know, like walking with him was like, Jesus, you know, he would 00:24:57.760 --> 00:25:01.210 drag me along and it was like, and sometimes it was worse than other times. 00:25:01.330 --> 00:25:01.510 Right. 00:25:01.510 --> 00:25:05.410 And I would, I would learn to say, to realize that because I, I think, 00:25:05.650 --> 00:25:08.860 you know, I mean obviously you read stuff and so there was all of a sudden 00:25:09.160 --> 00:25:14.740 when he was kind of pulling more than usual, I'd be like, wait, how? 00:25:14.740 --> 00:25:15.070 How? 00:25:15.130 --> 00:25:17.590 Like, how am I, yes, yes. 00:25:17.590 --> 00:25:20.830 And the first, it was always funny because the first was, I'm fine. 00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:23.860 Nothing to do with me. 00:25:23.865 --> 00:25:24.245 It's not me. 00:25:24.250 --> 00:25:24.460 Right? 00:25:24.640 --> 00:25:24.760 Yeah. 00:25:24.760 --> 00:25:25.810 So don't nothing about me. 00:25:26.770 --> 00:25:30.850 And, and then when I'm sort of literally talk some, okay, let's just 00:25:30.850 --> 00:25:33.970 breathe, let's just touch that tree that I really like and, and like the 00:25:33.970 --> 00:25:38.500 moment, like literally I came, like I make a conscious effort to just, yes. 00:25:39.025 --> 00:25:39.685 Let go. 00:25:39.685 --> 00:25:44.755 All of a sudden he would settle too, because he was incredibly in tune. 00:25:44.935 --> 00:25:45.205 Isla: Yeah. 00:25:45.325 --> 00:25:47.605 Anke: You know, with kind of anything in, in his environment, 00:25:47.605 --> 00:25:49.585 but probably specifically with me. 00:25:49.915 --> 00:25:52.405 And so it was really noticeable how. 00:25:53.715 --> 00:25:57.750 His behavior was an expression of my Yeah, absolutely. 00:25:57.750 --> 00:26:00.495 You know, my, my state of mind in the moment, you know, and it 00:26:00.495 --> 00:26:03.735 also, it was literally like bing bang, like your notification 00:26:03.735 --> 00:26:05.655 bell, you know, calm down bitch. 00:26:05.655 --> 00:26:07.785 Like, you know, the going nuts. 00:26:09.015 --> 00:26:13.790 And also the more we moved away and moved to quieter space where there wasn't the. 00:26:13.790 --> 00:26:15.500 Constant information overload. 00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:17.180 He was the chillest dog. 00:26:17.180 --> 00:26:20.420 And I then, you know, when, like where, where, where I live now, 00:26:20.420 --> 00:26:23.540 I, you know, you could walk with him and he would not pull it all. 00:26:23.630 --> 00:26:25.610 And I never taught him anything. 00:26:25.790 --> 00:26:26.030 Yes. 00:26:26.030 --> 00:26:30.140 I never did any loose leash walking, any exercises, any treats. 00:26:30.140 --> 00:26:31.070 No, nothing. 00:26:31.340 --> 00:26:37.100 It was just, we were both in a calmer space and we just go for a walk, you know? 00:26:37.105 --> 00:26:37.520 Yes, yes. 00:26:37.610 --> 00:26:42.170 And that really showed how, it's not about commands or about, you know. 00:26:43.300 --> 00:26:49.360 It's kind of a deeper thing that that actually has that lasting impact and 00:26:49.360 --> 00:26:54.165 that lasting that connection that gets created and yeah, it's just, um, I. 00:26:54.295 --> 00:26:56.275 It's remarkable to experience, to be honest. 00:26:56.635 --> 00:27:00.295 Isla: It's, you know, it's really re it's such, it is such a beautiful experience 00:27:00.295 --> 00:27:04.615 and again, it, it is that great example of like, just come back into the heart. 00:27:04.615 --> 00:27:06.745 So, because the heart doesn't think, the heart doesn't question, 00:27:06.745 --> 00:27:09.205 the heart doesn't need to know, the heart has no expectations. 00:27:09.475 --> 00:27:10.465 The heart just is. 00:27:10.675 --> 00:27:11.335 And so again, as. 00:27:11.510 --> 00:27:14.930 As humans, we didn't start off as this, but we kind of get told and conditioned 00:27:14.930 --> 00:27:19.070 and as adults we're so, we're so busy worrying, thinking, overthinking, planning 00:27:19.220 --> 00:27:24.230 de and the, our head is so noisy that our animal friends are like, oh my goodness. 00:27:24.230 --> 00:27:26.960 Like even when we think we're calm, we're not calm at all. 00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:28.910 'cause our head's still like babababa. 00:27:29.120 --> 00:27:31.730 And of course, I mean our animal friends as we are, we are. 00:27:32.455 --> 00:27:33.385 Moving emotions. 00:27:33.385 --> 00:27:36.445 They're a big, beautiful ball of emotions, their own emotions, but yes, they 00:27:36.445 --> 00:27:41.755 can't not absorb ours and then again, reflect what our emotional state is. 00:27:41.905 --> 00:27:45.625 So often, again, I will kind of say to someone, what were you thinking? 00:27:46.675 --> 00:27:50.035 Immediately before your animal did that behavior, because sometimes it is the 00:27:50.035 --> 00:27:53.725 animal as an individual, but often it is, you know, your animal's presenting 00:27:53.725 --> 00:27:55.705 X, Y, Z, and then it gets worse. 00:27:55.795 --> 00:27:57.685 It gets exacerbated in these conditions. 00:27:57.685 --> 00:28:00.025 So I'm just curious to ask, what were you doing? 00:28:00.025 --> 00:28:01.825 What were you thinking immediately before? 00:28:02.065 --> 00:28:03.445 And then again, the guy, well, nothing. 00:28:03.925 --> 00:28:05.965 Oh, actually this, that, or the other night, and. 00:28:05.985 --> 00:28:10.635 Can you see how then that changes the e, the, the movement, the vibration, 00:28:10.635 --> 00:28:14.655 the sense for the animal friend and also in that space, you know, with 00:28:14.655 --> 00:28:15.915 my two dogs, uh, Manitou, Lilu. 00:28:17.560 --> 00:28:19.390 That again, going back to em as individuals, they're brother 00:28:19.390 --> 00:28:22.330 and sister and yes we've got a different in gender, but they are so 00:28:22.330 --> 00:28:25.930 different based on who they are as soul and then who they are as dog. 00:28:26.290 --> 00:28:30.640 But um, they were, when they were first kind of pups and we were walking them, 00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:32.680 everything was really great 'cause there were little pups and then it 00:28:32.680 --> 00:28:35.020 was starting to be, there were again adolescence, they want harnesses. 00:28:35.020 --> 00:28:37.360 We were walking them and they were starting to pull. 00:28:37.360 --> 00:28:41.020 'cause being on the lead was very new experience and I was really curious. 00:28:41.365 --> 00:28:44.995 Because I'm in that space now, I'm able to kind of catch my own feelings 00:28:45.205 --> 00:28:48.775 and I was really curious because I'm like, ha, when they pull, that 00:28:48.775 --> 00:28:50.335 actually brings up anger for me. 00:28:50.365 --> 00:28:51.355 I feel anger. 00:28:51.595 --> 00:28:55.075 Now, if I wasn't aware of that, which is fine because we're all on our own journey, 00:28:55.225 --> 00:28:56.935 I would've put it onto my dog's, right? 00:28:56.935 --> 00:28:57.145 Yeah. 00:28:57.175 --> 00:28:57.565 Stop. 00:28:57.565 --> 00:28:59.425 But I'm angry because you are bullying. 00:28:59.635 --> 00:29:02.275 That's what we tend to, again, be conditioned to do. 00:29:02.455 --> 00:29:05.275 But because I was aware of the feeling, I'm like, this is so. 00:29:05.530 --> 00:29:08.230 Peculiar for me, because I would kind of like to say I'm, I'm a 00:29:08.230 --> 00:29:09.310 person that doesn't have anger. 00:29:09.310 --> 00:29:13.210 I'm not an angry person, but yet he has anger rising in me when they're pulling. 00:29:13.690 --> 00:29:14.410 And I was like. 00:29:15.355 --> 00:29:16.495 I need to look at this. 00:29:16.495 --> 00:29:19.855 So I would spend moments when I'd get home just in quiet space, to 00:29:19.855 --> 00:29:21.715 be like, what is this anger about? 00:29:22.135 --> 00:29:23.875 And I'd thank them because like, wow, thank you. 00:29:23.875 --> 00:29:26.185 Because in that moment when you're pulling and it's bringing forward 00:29:26.185 --> 00:29:29.935 this anger, what it's bringing forward is the frustrated parts of myself. 00:29:29.935 --> 00:29:31.195 But when, when I was little, the, the. 00:29:31.405 --> 00:29:34.735 The little girl for straight I, and I'm like, why is no one listening to me? 00:29:34.735 --> 00:29:35.995 I have important things to say. 00:29:35.995 --> 00:29:38.095 I have feelings too, and they matter. 00:29:38.425 --> 00:29:41.815 So it was like these little parts of myself that needed to be integrated. 00:29:42.175 --> 00:29:44.005 But when I sat with that further, I'm like, do you know this? 00:29:44.035 --> 00:29:45.025 Anger's also not mine. 00:29:45.025 --> 00:29:45.745 It's collective. 00:29:45.745 --> 00:29:48.475 It's my mother's and my grandmother's and it's the anger 00:29:48.475 --> 00:29:51.085 that I'm carrying for my, um. 00:29:51.625 --> 00:29:55.015 The women in my family that have kind of been oppressed in that way and just 00:29:55.015 --> 00:29:56.245 therefore have carried that anger. 00:29:56.245 --> 00:29:59.725 So through my dogs, you know, I could just say I get angry at them 00:29:59.725 --> 00:30:00.745 because they're pulling on the leads. 00:30:00.745 --> 00:30:03.925 So how do I get them not to pull, but I'm going to the feeling. 00:30:03.925 --> 00:30:04.015 Mm-hmm. 00:30:04.195 --> 00:30:07.345 And as I'm in that space of like, actually you're just sniffing, 00:30:07.345 --> 00:30:08.485 or you go like, it's fine. 00:30:09.325 --> 00:30:11.245 The, the pulling then stops anyways. 00:30:11.245 --> 00:30:14.065 So it's a really beautiful space of looking at ourselves, 00:30:14.065 --> 00:30:15.685 of like, yeah, where are we at? 00:30:16.015 --> 00:30:19.285 And how these things can change in our animal friends in those moments, 00:30:19.285 --> 00:30:21.475 because energy follows consciousness. 00:30:21.655 --> 00:30:23.965 If we're having thoughts of something, and again, this is 00:30:23.965 --> 00:30:25.465 kind of where I invite people to. 00:30:26.050 --> 00:30:28.810 Try as best as we can to be conscious of the words that we 00:30:28.810 --> 00:30:30.100 speak and the thoughts that we have. 00:30:30.100 --> 00:30:33.310 Because they become things, they become physical, they become manifest. 00:30:33.670 --> 00:30:37.180 So even the words that we say about our dogs, but certainly when we're walking 00:30:37.180 --> 00:30:39.100 them, like, where are our thoughts? 00:30:39.100 --> 00:30:40.990 What words are we even thinking? 00:30:41.350 --> 00:30:43.990 Because that is still creating an emotional response that 00:30:43.990 --> 00:30:45.310 our Alamo friends are feeling. 00:30:45.310 --> 00:30:46.360 And we'll be like, oh, okay. 00:30:46.650 --> 00:30:48.240 I need to respond towards this. 00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:51.570 So I need to just, I need to diffuse it or I need to get out of my system. 00:30:51.930 --> 00:30:53.460 Um, so it's a really yeah. 00:30:53.460 --> 00:30:55.320 Really beautiful example that you brought forward. 00:30:55.320 --> 00:30:55.920 Mm-hmm. 00:30:56.010 --> 00:30:57.120 Anke: It's, I mean, there's. 00:30:57.670 --> 00:31:01.240 That invitation, you know, to have a, have a closer look. 00:31:01.240 --> 00:31:02.380 That's beautiful. 00:31:02.590 --> 00:31:06.160 So where can people, you know, find out about, you know, what, 00:31:06.490 --> 00:31:07.540 how they can work with you? 00:31:07.540 --> 00:31:11.230 What about your books, you know about all your work? 00:31:11.230 --> 00:31:12.640 Where can people go find out more? 00:31:12.820 --> 00:31:13.990 Isla: Thank you so much for asking. 00:31:13.990 --> 00:31:16.810 So my website is called kachina canine.com, 00:31:17.170 --> 00:31:20.110 and then I'm on Instagram and YouTube and Facebook. 00:31:20.380 --> 00:31:20.710 Yeah. 00:31:20.710 --> 00:31:21.220 And so I have. 00:31:21.245 --> 00:31:24.065 I have like a variety of different offerings because there's so many 00:31:24.065 --> 00:31:28.625 ways that we can get into support our animal friends having at their 00:31:28.625 --> 00:31:31.385 best lives, including ourselves, having our best life as well. 00:31:31.385 --> 00:31:36.395 So I do everything from courses that look at canine wellness to. 00:31:36.445 --> 00:31:39.685 End of life when your animal friend is ready to transition, but how we can make 00:31:39.685 --> 00:31:43.465 a sacred space for that and a ceremony and our healing journey around the grief 00:31:43.735 --> 00:31:45.295 and holding an offering around that. 00:31:45.655 --> 00:31:47.185 Uh, I do have two books out. 00:31:47.185 --> 00:31:50.365 One is, uh, 'cause I also channel, I channel the Animal, the Co, 00:31:50.395 --> 00:31:54.145 the Soul Consciousness or Spirit Consciousness of Animals, as well 00:31:54.145 --> 00:31:55.705 as spirit consciousness itself. 00:31:55.970 --> 00:31:59.180 And so I have a book out that's called T'S Teachings, which is the 00:31:59.180 --> 00:32:02.120 channel consciousness of one of my wolf dogs called Tonko Sealer. 00:32:02.510 --> 00:32:08.420 Uh, just again, messages medicine for how we should be living, uh, healing wisdom. 00:32:08.690 --> 00:32:11.000 And I have a medicine story out that's called How the canine 00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:12.560 people help the Humans Remember. 00:32:12.745 --> 00:32:16.315 Which is all about returning to ceremony, which is what our animal friends are like. 00:32:16.315 --> 00:32:16.705 Come on. 00:32:16.705 --> 00:32:20.245 Like just return to ceremony, return to ceremony, return to ceremony, which is 00:32:20.245 --> 00:32:24.655 all about, again, returning to our heart, returning to unconditional love, and 00:32:24.655 --> 00:32:29.725 just being in that space of, um, yeah, journey and experience, uh, a relationship 00:32:29.725 --> 00:32:33.625 with our animal friends, a coexistence, seeing them as as, as equal in that way. 00:32:34.135 --> 00:32:34.705 Anke: I love that. 00:32:34.795 --> 00:32:35.305 I love that. 00:32:35.545 --> 00:32:36.535 Thank you so much. 00:32:36.535 --> 00:32:40.345 Obviously I'm gonna pop the books below as well and all the links and make it 00:32:40.345 --> 00:32:41.965 really easy for people to find you. 00:32:42.355 --> 00:32:45.295 So, because I think this is the kind of stuff we all need to hear 00:32:45.835 --> 00:32:48.475 and and lean into, so thank you. 00:32:48.655 --> 00:32:49.795 Isla: Thank you so much for having me. 00:32:49.795 --> 00:32:51.235 It was beautiful to speak with you. 00:32:51.235 --> 00:32:51.925 Thank you. 00:32:53.625 --> 00:32:54.855 Thanks so much for listening. 00:32:55.375 --> 00:32:59.675 If you enjoyed the episode, don't forget to subscribe, and leave a review so 00:32:59.775 --> 00:33:01.555 other dog lovers can find the show. 00:33:02.345 --> 00:33:05.835 If you haven't already, head over to soul touched by dogs. 00:33:06.265 --> 00:33:11.835 com and sign up for weekly doggy cuteness tips, recommendations, and personal 00:33:11.935 --> 00:33:14.305 stories to warm your dog loving heart. 00:33:14.305 --> 00:33:18.035 And if you know a pawsome human you think I should interview, 00:33:18.455 --> 00:33:19.595 I'd love an introduction. 00:33:20.075 --> 00:33:21.905 Email me at Anke. 00:33:22.175 --> 00:33:26.410 That's A N k E at Soul touched by dogs.com.