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https://thorlaser.comhttps://kbmdhealth.comhttps://gutcheckproject.comAll right it is time for the gadget project here with your host Dr. Kenneth Brown nine Eric Rieger this is episode number five episode number five is a big one because now we have another episode we can be found on over to submit iTunes and the other a platform it's where everybody has to start somewhere you gotta start somewhere and I think that we got a pretty good start we got some pretty incredible gas that is no joke I mean the feedback fortunately and thanks to everyone who's been watching and listening and sharing sharing obviously helps us spread the platform but certainly appreciate it also big shout out to the other spoony host Chef Patrick the cowboy chuckwagon I mean everybody else who's been kicking and for helping spread the word even the partners and our sister station across the road mojo mojo 5.0 mojo 5.0 absolutely we got to show some love this is exciting everybody try to get this station this digital station off the ground chef Patrick is he is living it and you don't today in the booth being our producer again this guy works overtime every day vacation rather everyday vacation every day can be a vacation if you can improve your quality life and that's what this whole show is all about sent yes absolutely I'm so excited about the show we got somebody really cool a great speaker scientist James Carroll of four laser something that I know nothing about something I bet most people know nothing about but I know how that feels when we started looking into bacterial overgrowth see below when nobody else is talking about it people would look at me there confused this is why this show got check radio check your ego at the door any things on the table to learn and world to learn together that's is this is what so excited about today show and is no joke so for everyone else who's who's joining today and one thank you number two at James Carol's complete different this is someone is going introduce something that really to me it was introduced to me by my by my wife she was the one he said have you ever heard of photo by modulation and I looked at her and I said no I haven't but really because of the mindset of a living doing a KB in the healthfully done even before it KBS research without trying to heal on and on we've always wanted to remain open if you have something show me how works to little bit about it and as I began to learn a lot more about photo by modulation indoor laser it was more than impressive it is kind of just captivated me yeah those of us in the industry Eric called PBM so so when you brought it up to me we are actually working and you like yeah hey my wife's got this new photo bio modulation laser at her health clinic correct and in his eye, what that is and we started looking we had little break in patients and I went holy cow there is some serious data on this it's and it's it's it's date it's not just something new later then edit a while yeah it's one of those things I like wait a minute if this is true let's find the guy who owns this company and you did and goodness he he travels all the time this is insane so his time is very valuable so this is going to be an incredible episode just so you know we are in episode five and we have an international guest James Carroll hails from London that's right I was just talking to only spend 10 days in the UK were his home is 10 days in the United States within 10 days traveling the world that is a tough life you are charged a Patrick I was impressed how well he speaks English from out of the country and out, wild, wild I'm you know what I'm really looking forward to that British sense of humor all of it yeah I mean it's it's just like it is here in Texas they speak of guess I do want to bring this up when I went to clinic and people at her show with Mark Lisa Hatch feedback patients that have overcome cancer patients that love the idea that he overcame cancer and then gave back that story was pretty incredible and I want to thank Embry for listening and if you didn't listen to it go back and check it out because it is a story of accomplishment story of survival and he did a great job telling he really did do a good job telling on top of that we received well several email not just in terms of no thanks for having Mark on but we got share a couple with them with those with you yesterday and it was that I've overcome cancer and I'm trying to find new things to do to get back I'm suffering from cancer currently and hearing someone like Mark gave me hope we had some others who just were simply how do I get involved with Raquel's wings for life which is exactly what Mark's charity isn't and they they take people just to recap a take people from one end of taxes and give them opportunities to have safe travel to a large cancer treatment facility such as MD Anderson or up in Tulsa Oklahoma and I were free for free no charge to the cost to the customer to the patient whatsoever and and deliver them safely so they get treatment and not return home as it were the cool things about that as we did talk about the fact that the the pilot as a cancer survivor so the people that he's taking are terrified yet have questions and he could tell them the story hang in there working trying do this and sometimes he would drop people off you wouldn't bring them back and that happens I'm a doctor we see things happen all the time but the right frame of mind the willingness to keep going sometimes you can overcome without question and he does know that he can the great thing about Mark Aziz he's belly working on he soon to become a well-known public speaker that being said he's he's got the anecdotal stories to the make them feel comfortable like a squeaky butt cheeks and if you missed it go back to get check radio.com to be directed to the direct RSS feed on our page were improving all the time but right now you can go back to the episode where Mark was and listen to it or you can check out the YouTube channel spooning radio or get check project will take you exclusively to get your project episodes awesome speaking of improving all the time we always like to start the show something personal we do so last week I think I know I brought up my my children my son Lucas was playing a large tournament called the Easter bolts a national tournament and right after the show it was broadcast live and we were able to watch it as a group it was really cool to watch my son the inner getting second in singles very impressive big tournament and actually got gold in double source no really proud of them for that then he went immediately there he's been playing in this IETF now why is that relevant because I'm a single dad this holy cow it's hard all props to any single parent out there that tries to work and still managed to pick up the kids get into the things it is kicking my ass oh my gosh it's hard trying to work in be there at the right time and everything in the so props to everyone that's out there is a single parent or even temporary if your children are often doing stuff but it is I have a holy respect for that holy respect I know that whenever I travel and I do it without without Marie and I come back home the first thing you should do is make certain that they get an opportunity to relax because they've been hard at it making your travel possible and if you just want peace and householders make sensitive to the one advantage of that is that we do just a little time in the last week we did talk about Lucas playing tennis and also Carla doing enter theater class the improv rivals the rules of improv/that were having dinner were talk about that knows I hate any other improv rules I need to know about and she said will there's I think is rule number eight there are no mistakes happy accidents and opportunities Mike Barbara L had little tree happy little trees so happy accident so that's what this shows you to be about we never screw up we just have happy accidents or opportunity opportunities and then one of the opportunities that I've never done with my daughter which is I watched a college basketball game for the first time with her I'm not much of a basketball fan trip to let me tell you what this team locally Texas Tac I think you got some ties to it a part of you got me watching it now absolutely and of course you get inoculated and watching college ball that said that the team to watch right now their head and into the final for this coming weekend that my families popped both of my boys play competitive basketball in high school gauge Mac are both super excited and they match up but hopefully well Michigan State first and if they win that then our friend from last week is going to take us to the final game that'll be fun marks can fly you to the final game Mark said he would take us to the final game if that is not incentive to have Texas Tech went right there on coach Beard unit he made that that is awesome that is good be so cool the whole family Julio whole families can ago so that it'll be really enjoyable but regardless of how to play super proud what an incredible coach pulling together some great kids to accomplish what they did first off over the school so there really excited and the other three teams in the determiner are pretty solid also so is somebody that that doesn't follow possible that much but you're talking about this the really neat thing that the announcers on top of the defense try to explain really quickly why their defense is doing so well a lot of times I believe the way I understand it is basketball teams in college is simply play better defense than they do in the NBA but even more to the point the way that I think that Coach Beard and his assistant Mark added to design the defenses they really really force outside shots to protect the middle if I think you made the comment I saw every time Eric that is they moved into the center suddenly they everyone collapsed around them not only could they not make a way to to the glass to an easy layup very difficult for them to distribute the ball once they get trapped in there so yeah someone may be really good firing from outside and you know that's kind of the risk that you take by not guarding the perimeter really really tight but you come inside the three-point arch and the further you make your way towards a rim is going to be more than one defender, blocking your path so it sets kind of the can of Ashoka defense of the kind perfected super exciting I was reading something about how the ticket sales for this staff are just massive like Texas is going in mass what some people may already know and some people may not know it all there is large the state's taxes is there hasn't ever been a national champion from Texas except for Texas Western now known as UTEP and that was what the movie glory Road was made about the first team to field five black starters and they took on Kentucky and beat them and so that's that was when one was a 19 six minute mess up the ethics 19 6364 maybe 68 are not really sure and I does coach Don Haskins and I'm off on the year but it was deafening 60s yet minor in basketball history didn't do it Texas Tech dad and just really other random useless information makes me no money so well the last couple shows we were somehow ended up doing movie quotes was no way I can quote anything from that movie is legal right thank you to stop and said she would have failed in the right there my extent of low baffle loses Hoosiers so pretty good Jean Hackman's pretty solid mood and feel good is true or not but it's fine so speaking of feel-good what we also like to do is I was trying find some article medical article that we can summarize here that happened this week that would be pertinent to something that were to be doing sure and this week I found a really cool article this is the one it is about muscle and intestinal damage and those who perform athletic events 100% so you what I've talked about this and we have discussed this in different lectures that I see a ton of endurance athletes triathlete really high level translates to come in with intestinal issues and I have to explain to them different reasons why that can actually happen but I just see so many of them and then when we fix their gut they end up getting like some of their personal best right and this article came out it's the first one that I've ever seen good actually looked at biomarkers in blood as to how this could actually happen so what's direct you look so I looked at is the levels of how blood levels of inflammation and intestinal inflammation are produced and the effects on the body when these elite triathletes compete really interesting now it is so whenever you look at a blood effects and and the way that an athlete is going to be measured how did they check the intervals and basically what did that data mean to to just the average athlete so I do not want to offend any of our lead triathletes out there but this is this is fascinating because we always talk about poor Lisa switches when you stress your body you have to log your body to recuperate correct most of the patients that I see when they have something happened there usually training really hard for something to try to qualify for a big raise or try to qualify for Cohen or one of those things and I've recently seen and I think this is been a trend across the country that a lot of people are starting to do these endurance races triathletes marathons they reach a certain age and that you know people stay in shape that's a way to stay in shape so what this article looked at was the mechanical and metabolic stress from the intense work of muscle cells during long-lasting efforts causing significant damage to the cellular structure why this is relevant this week because James Carol's you come on and talk cellular inflammation without doubt he deftly will with the photo by modulation bulimia and the actual bit so were talking specifically about endurance athletes in this article correct correct and so to me it seems like that may be that you have another glaring aspect is somebody who's dude who's doing an endurance sport Weatherby marathon running her triathlete like you said longest cycling ultra marathoners the guys who tried to to make a run across the country which I think that record is 43 days believe it or not was a force go almost but without a beard this this particular was without a beard but I believe that that the record is 43 days all of those types of events are very impressive and it takes quite the dedication to pull that off that being said would you say that in endurance athlete is more susceptible to probably long-term inflammation and that's maybe why they're using someone in that subset to do a study that is a great lead and because this is exactly what that studies all about okay what they looked at is during long-lasting physical efforts from my standpoint blood flow was redirected from the G.I. system to go to other organs specifically muscles no research has shown that athletes training endurance disciplines are vulnerable to abdominal pain nausea and diarrhea in fact they showed that almost 70% of people when they interviewed during the race or immediately afterwards had some sort of G.I. distress what is fascinating about this article as they check the blood levels of of a the molecule called Zahn you and which is an endogenous protein that actually affects the tight junctions and other words there showing that intestinal permeability takes place otherwise known as leaky gut is the first that have ever seen with her actually looking at this and checking volume levels like I said almost 70% of these endurance athletes will accept some sort of issue it's not just oh it's annoying I didn't have such a good time you could be setting yourself up for something more what they did as they looked at 15 very highly trained triathletes who were competing in the world Xterra championship they checked blood parameters baseline pre-after 12 hours and 40 8/48 hours after testosterone cortisol CRP which is C-reactive protein which is a nonspecific component with markers or lasagna will and myoglobin this is what is completely incredible what they showed is that the cortisol levels at baseline on the average was 152 immediately after like one hour after right 467 it remained elevated for $40 testosterone baseline 4.1 it dropped to 2.50 depleting a test you deplete your testosterone crp went from .12 3.38 that's too high to hide that's tons of information and ultimately Sonia will baseline 25 post almost 90 and so what this show does is incredible because we were out there trying to get in shape and you undo these cool things and really push your body but in reality if you do it all the time you have to achieve that for me since you have to back off let your body recuperate no other studies have shown that the physiologic stress markers like cortisol I have always been shown so we we know that that's that's the deal you and I've talked before that not uncommonly will see somebody in the clinic who's been a lifetime marathon runner and they end up with a heart attack yet like a little zip person of an architecture was it turns out inflammation is back working talk with the photo bio modulation about information but we know that information is bad and we know that information can result in systemic disease now what were looking at here is the study was the first one that looked at people showing the intestinal health we know that leaky gut can lead to autoimmune disease right so it's way more than just inflammatory process you were talking about these ultramarathon runners there was another study that I know said also that I didn't the weeds with the sunlight while they looked at this with other people share so I found a study that looked at race Walkers what they do they do 152 mile walk as fast as you can okay and hundred 52 mile walk they show that the CRP jumped 152 times the dinner jumped hundred 52 times the baseline so we talk about the marathon is getting heart attacks and stuff like that and this is even just like fast walking so we know that all this can lead to intestinal problems so this is a perfect reason why we developed something called trying to definitely deadliest so our trunk seal is composed of feels what we do know is that these polyphenols help prepare your body after you go through some producers like that a recent study to show that if you do the Mediterranean diet for four days before a high but before the endurance event you can but once those responses actually because the polyphenols same ones that are trying to actually go into your body your colonic bacteria break them down in the water proposed biotic it decreases the systemic inflammatory response not only that for sports performance increases nitric oxide and gets rid of reactive nitrogen species and reactive oxygen species so that makes total sense why most of my triathletes when we get them on trying to heal they start feeling better what I want to cram too much to get a bid email with that all 20 oh we also talked about the the occasional issues of Zion yelling and how that's affected the guide as well so it sounds to me like somebody who is a long-term runner if you actually are experiencing inflammation okay let's let's go back that this backup just a step somebody who is a long-term runner overtime Dave Dave they started running probably to get in shape because they enjoy the sport but they sometimes get to a point where there like you know I've been running and I eat okay but I still can't quite lose this last amount of body fat that usually pointed her abdomen visually but save there but inflammation usually turns into a little bit extra abdominal fat and when somebody who is chronically inflamed and feels like they're doing the right things and eating the right things but not noticing that they are actually keeping themselves in the cycle of inflammation it's not necessarily that maybe they need to stop the sport altogether but possibly they could add some things to their diet to their sleep patterns to anything to allow their body to simply recover when you sent oh 100% so one of somebody that I respect tremendously who is actually my chiropractor Dr. Ron Troy Dundas elite triathlete trains other Pro triathletes and he has a podcast and I think their Instagram handles recover with the purpose to cover with a purpose he's out there saying run more and so when I went in I saw him you know his regulation to be will slow down right break like your you're doing that's it's hard to do because I was doing the same thing run like I'm trying to run faster on I like to compete someday and that kind of thing and it was just slow down so as it turns out you think you might be doing things or I believe in exercise but I also have learned as I got older that you can not shortchange sleep never to exercise because all you do is increasing these inflammatory markers and his hormones looks like your boots like your no your basically running uphill the whole time and you're just hurting yourself which SASI note for the current listeners if you are interested in picking up some are trying to heal especially for you ultramarathon is if you want to decrease the inflammation and hopefully you can write to us and tell us about your new PR personal best go to love my tummy.com/spoony use the discount code Spinney and save yourself a little of the money yet for real so this this whole article is all about sports performance and when I said that they looked at the Mediterranean diet it wasn't just the decrease the markers you know that these people actually improve their times all of them had across-the-board of 6% improvement bullets the same what's the thing it's in the Mediterranean diet the youth said is is basically that if that power horse behind 20 oh yeah so if you're listening to this it's really important that we spread the message that if your athlete do this but also by going to love my Tommy.com//spoony your supporting this network your supporting chef Patrick and everybody else is trying really hard to do this and you know this is British and get the message out there like we'll talk about PDM Devlin talk about PBM that is photo bio modulation actually what I was asking you for a while ago and tell you memo said mistakes make opportunities I get to say something the thing that's ubiquitous in the Mediterranean diet is polyphenols and that's what's jampacked in trying to heal so I give a lecture where there is a researcher out of the UK another UK person probably judging his neighbor yet probably is so James's neighbor Dr. Boutwell yes she did a whole analysis of this that if you take a thousand milligrams of polyphenols three hours before competitive event you actually decrease muscular damage and increase nitric oxide increasing blood flow to the muscles how do you get a thousand milligrams you can eat five bowls of cherries which is a lot lot of fructose a lot of fructose or you can take two doses of outfront you definitely admit that Dr. Joe hotel and she's from exit University and was sponsored by believe it was Gatorade labs and it has nothing to Gatorade they simply allowed her to do polyphenol research she came back with some incredible information it Long word Pro anthocyanins Massena correctly pro anthocyanins so that is basically what she said if we could find a way to deliver that in that just so happens to be what John Teal is so you could take four capsules of pro anthocyanins also known as trying to heal and protect yourself I love it holy cow we just I just rambled mostly I apologize for that but I get deep demand thanks for apologizing here all related to love the stuff that's good hey everybody clearly back the next half-hour with an amazing guest always in UK 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and break I did what we get your microphone ready I found an article same theme photo bio modulation and human muscle tissue and advantage in sports performance wow oh my goodness front seal and photo bio modulation hand-in-hand to improve athletic performance well so I just a small delay while we bring James Carol on with the system or we are getting his microphone plugged in but in the meantime we did leave the last half hour talking about endurance athletes better recovery talked about using polyphenols in order to make that happen and now what we are learning is you can also use other therapies in conjunction with that that would be polyphenol such as an arch on teal we didn't touch on last time but there's also a lot of athletes have turned to CBD and a great CBO is to do the same Morgan Leonard Abilene working at CBD by the little place called the KPMG healthy can also go to KB MD health.com and I go to the store you will find your very own first ever physician approved CBD here and what you know to my right actually is Mr. James Carroll of Thor laser like I said we get Hume spends 10 days in the US after month he's given one of them to us yet definitely appreciate thank you, thank you for having me so back to ask you said you drove all the way from London to the Chitty Chitty Bang Bang United flight conflict drive but didn't take long to get that British sense of humor help develop its out Chitty Chitty Bang Bang entailing took a three second anatomy oh well not like you do it as a reference quite that quickly other asking for your microphone because you're just a bit closer trying to get a very nice well so James also that your history Dr. Carol Mr. Carol Switzer correct I Mr. Carol Mr. Carol okay so one of James James to James you are the founder and CEO after laser so tell us a little bit about your history leading up to the other founding authorities and they will get into what it's all about I Kate content that around and tell you what it is faster than the setting I got you good to have you on IK so foot my modulation is something's been on TV sticky Star Trek and but most science fiction movie seem to do something like this when that when somebody gets injured that Dr. approaches you with a laser beam Ames the laser beam at the injury and the injury heals the tissues regenerate instantly so we make those so Star Trek just came to life right here in the studio so did you produce you made those that they use on the Star Trek set is what you're saying that we brazenly make them hospitals it is not as instant as TV say the ideas still the same thing you shine light on people and they get better more quickly okay sidelined by light you you mean well it's a particular kind of like okay it's not a lie not a flashlight now so it's monochromatic like the light of one, and have lunch of the right collar as we can say wavelength because we do use light outside of the visible spectrum we have a lot to the right wavelength and if it is the right intensity and if we use it for I made in the right place calls for the recommended time you can speed up the quality improve speed and quality of tissue a path to reduce information edema guys down the lymphatic system gets very busy if it is on and with a particular high dose you can induce analgesia that is something we can definitely touch on here a moment because I want to talk well you have a story that you've shared with everyone else and will get that's what what drew you in to say I saw that on Star Trek I see people healing from lasers I want to be a part of it and produce one what I had to tell you how this was discovered because wasn't discovered by me okay so back in the 60s when the first laser was invented I'm working by five at 19 60 x 19 67 a scientist wanted to find out if maybe this new Ray laser Ray it might cause cancer so he wants to do an experiment say takes is some text mice he shaves the heifer abilities he divides into two groups puts a low powered Ruby laser beam among group and not the other see if the treatment group developed cancer and it didn't surprise the hacker back will quickly on the treatment group from then on the untreated group to he called that laser by stimulation it was 1967 but is back in Budapest Hungary so this ishungry was pods of fats of the thing the oncoming behind the uncut controlled by Russia the knees didn't come out very quickly back in the 60s we went great friends of the Russians unlike now where) to send you mojo 5.0 political state, more so they they held every I got involved in 87 I was that part of a business that was helping small businesses get hold of government grounds and that one of our customers with the laser company and I went to a meeting at research Hospital in London good Guy's hospital and that they were showing off what they been doing on small animals with laces and how is heating up wounds will quickly when I saw that I thought but that's the future this going to be one of these in every department of every hospital in the whole world within five years this is can be massive I thought that 1987 it's incredible when I was wrong was I didn't take five years may still not that right so it is now my 52nd year in this field 30's 32 years of trying to get the message out something that you've known that can help people that you have seen help people yet getting Nana so that is being over 700 randomized placebo-controlled clinical trial published in this field the 4000 of archery studies looking at the mechanism of action in the dose response is about setting pipe is coming out every month in this field I get Mike's doctors have never even heard of it there are systematic reviews published in the months it the British medical Journal example some of the leading generals in the world and that lost in the UK on national health nationally suit of healthcare excellence now recommend this treatment in hospitals in the UK for the treatment of the side effects of high-dose chemotherapy and radiotherapy one of the side effects is you lose all the skin is how to mount the developer's ulceration and it's really painful and excited by the love people want to give up that cancer treatments because it's a severe and what we know is that this treatment as demonstrated in faulty randomized controlled clinical trials will basically either prevent over juice the incidence and severity all four mixologists in cancer patients and now it's a recommended treatment in the UK and in the US Blue Cross Blue Shield just started I reimbursing for in some regions for this dream as well that's fantastic that's incredible so when they treat these patients with mucositis do you accept that shine the light in the mouth traditionally yes so the historic to what people been doing is taking a a single red laser beam and poking around the mouth so they treat over that time does tongue lateral boulders ventral tongue floor the mouth it's the buccal tissues of the inside of the cheeks the hot pilot soft palate and treat individual spots that maybe do 20 points to try and reduce incidence and severity when I working on Sunday with hobbit where it developing an extra oral treatment meaning outside the mouth treating through the cheeks to get the buccal tissues to prevent in that method and this is a treatment for children one quick question try to get the word out there is it similar to like what we have to do with our supplement where you really can't make disease claims you can't say disease state or because it is a device are you able to say no we use this for mucositis induced cable or chemotherapy -induced mucositis right so lab is FDA codes for different devices which have been they say what you concise and but you don't realize the FDA regulate marketing that set primary Joey we learn that okay so I'm not I don't about that about the CBD's no idea what the rules are around that that the devices they may sit sable today so we've been whilst I suppose 2030 years ago the FDA will hostile to this is a form of light therapy somebody twisted somebody's, they really relax the definition of a heat lamp they'd even created the new catch. He called the non-heating heating lamp the nonhealing extract layout is the love bureaucrat I skew that Lord you know what like seeing all those hamburgers at McDonald's or like that's a nonhealing heat lamp right there is nothing all those hamburgers room temperature burgers just like that so anyway that there are also countries now with this project from a product to be sold with very limited indications in the broadest one is an Iowa category which is basically based on heat lamp but now you get doesn't have to be infrared you can use visible red and it doesn't actually have to heat either but they've embroiled in this set of really relaxed state in the lousiest technology on and I do you happen to know and I think think it's top-secret that the FDA working to develop effort by modulation code thoughts for a moment it will be a real thing as far as FTS consent already the national Library of medicine the people who run pop made Palmetto I have developed a mesh time a medical subject headings full footed by modulation so as far as mesh elaborate medicines can send this is the real thing at the FDA is going to get that to fall behind and then they'll be out of an official category not quite what you can say about it we don't know yet we don't know what they going to the bone what is approved state that they don't approve most technologies I think of when the trip to people ever exist but within THE product they clear products for marketing that the category as haggis picked expressive so it's FDA cleared for in the case we go with the infrared heat the old heat lamp Bush which is temporal relief of muscle and joint pain and the blood flow and something is equipment of the detail but as long unless is basic to claim pain relief it sounds like that he has somewhat of the same battle that we do whenever we have a supplement that we can Ashley put proof behind the issue is is the way that best interpreted the altruistic version of what the FDA's to do is protect the public from things that could cause them harm so that's that's the that's the version that they want you to stop it I think that there's also an addendum to that and that is if you've run the rigmarole of somehow being blessed as a medical drug or medically approved device then you can make the claims regardless of what your study says as long as it's not hurting someone but even if you have said it's completely natural or something that safe and benign like like light treatment can be they don't necessarily want to extend that same opportunity to you and you almost always at the talk about the symptoms around the disease or or an issue versus saying we help here which is opposite in Canada yet so little in Canada where it was in the we got our NP and number in Pyongyang Danya it was funny because we sent them everything that says on this box which is occasional discomfort on another note what's the disease that you guys fix will like will in Canada we fix irritable bowel syndrome and it's very very different like without telling it what we say in your case with the CE mountain your and you you when you report on the market data is a numb.we have what with the clinical evaluation report and that something examined limu apes make claims about joint pain tendinopathy back and neck pain we do or make scientists right and is very clinical and then you state what range you want they examine you with your data and then let me put on the market with those claims and that's with much more specific we can be much more specific in your we on the use of vague time about temporally the muscle and joint pain and arthritis in whatever however is something along those lines a couple small things are very first heard about Thor laser and photo by modulation of PBM is his skin is Artie made it as a part of his everyday vernacular this is yet it is not PVR yes that's a professional bull riding on tangible rounds blue ribbon but PBM LL LT triple LT photo by modulation Thor laser what is the the best term to succinctly say that because I believe that LLT could also mean the LED underlay search likely yes it had 79 different names of idiots which makes it very hard to pin down sure people keep inventing the rent names possibly because they want to have that product somehow be hot when they really tell me what it is the Google it they get that product so it is been a lot of invention of new times and I do know why some scientists keep wanting to they maybe have some transcranial low level laser therapy and therefore it's true when the truth in the brain then yes it said going through the brain but actually making it harder for everyone to find my keep coming up with nuanced versions of the original name all chance can you try to find my modulation but they liquidate T's multi-PBM therapy or something like that such a PBM therapy even get the mom will one for the team front of it that you didn't say serve nomenclature aside after I learned about the different names and begin to look it up why was blown away his by is a lot of what use referenced earlier and there are times of articles within pub med about normal mute mucositis again some of these that stood out to me were there for chronic nonspecific low back pain the European Society for medical oncology says that the redo reducing the mucositis your World Health Organization back in 2008 yet said that it is now recommended for neck and back pain that's not nothing that's significant was you the reason why I was so excited have you on when he brought it up study that I found was a rat study with a induced arthritis in these rats treated one group with PBM and the other will not and then they they euthanized him in the looked at it on a microscopic level clerical roles like do this is real but there's cellular stuff going on here this is not you know because there's so much like marketing and people changing stuff what I want to know what is super fascinating as you discover this and 87 and you clearly have something that you or you found something of the rest of the world needs to learn about in the 1960 Spock was using the start I spoke with Vulcan but I know the doctor you're not old enough to know I'm deftly old really bad with horrible as somebody who's also an entrepreneur you're the owner and CEO in you work your tail what happened 1987 can you just give us a synopsis and on on your life and career to get here in front of us well just to for anybody holding out for a great degree or anything I got the same level qualifications as Steve Jobs Bill Gates and Richard Branson what they do exactly the it basically happened to be unethical 16 minute qualifications analogy to have a medical school professes let's what happened yet doesn't so I left school 16 I was in it in an rock band on you had a make a fuzzball, while a pedal and amplifying him he had to connect these things out so I don't want to be in electronics and other school I Colby and Reese have a single Yellow Pages member them love electronics company and that was tournament train what right away and then said one being a princess designing they made radio stations and the TV and voted for TBC day so I wanted to work and then I asked for job and they say, environment sure enough they could tell it I knew little ready about it and they want to get my enthusiasm so I went out there and I did study some electronics college failed to college and femtosecond it twice but I still dwelling comfortable the promotions running departments and that so that's my 660 is of that and I I helped a friend to run up this a.m. sports, restoration business in all sports classic house from the 60s and 50s and that bent down under should go back to work run another test department electronics company making translucent satellites just wants money add Sadie sold out and the buses the lessee shall never make money as an engineer and he says going to have to learn how to be some sales so I took a job Pitney Bowes the two well but anyway none had a decent sales am then I bought a franchise of friends held up a ground information we had this laser accompanies a client I thought as I told you this is fantastic this is good to be in every department of every hospital in the whole world turned five years so I left to get himself of that lazy company they went out of business a few years later as I started my only two engineers who are already working for that company and that while well till 2005 Thursdays it was Yellow Pages again you look up physiotherapist or something and Jason Coleman making appointments I can assure you my new toy right so we seldom let one of the time like that travel the UK on a motorcycle with laces on the back setting these things go until with the Will Smith pursuit of happiness with the bone scan machines right now with that one this is fascinating because all I heard was that didn't work that failed that breakdown underinsured that didn't work just keep going this is the whole thing of the cross I don't think there are residents this ransom of 2005 I can maybe it's a a the a joint project of the Navy and the FDA that bought some laces from us and I went to a conference however that the CM what they been doing with it and they were healing spinal cord injuries in rats so I still would disease can be much because I realize I thought from my first and voted as he leans and then I could see was helping physiotherapists and sports injuries as a PT physical and that so I felt go back to my consciousness I hate we have to write a plan we are raising money the world can we can get overtaken by Siemens and Philips another companies like that because with two small we need money we need to do this properly and they said do that VCs will take of your company they'll probably fire us and anybody else is any good I probably can crush the company and I said but I'm not waiting around for you I'm leaving on a semi-business start writing a plan for Colby few weeks I've since come back nobody's buying from us and we will do it your way write the plan Bryson money I've they put some new management in and we were bankrupt within 18 months I thought everybody was good they were totally right so that's well we've got we raise money in 2006 and we were dead by by late 2000 70 my gosh this is this is why love having real entrepreneurs on the just keep grinding it out dental don't realize you went through all of the ship to get where you are why is obvious that you honestly believe in what is Richard Riley I do need to believe it's that it's it's hot evidence published in some the brace leading medical journals writing a new belief request you not the technology side do apologize but have the belief in the idea of the company that you can elevate that because this is a fantastic technology its mission sure and I am quite clear the cult the corporate mission is to heal and relieve pain right pretty simple our vision is that will be in every corner of every department of every hospital in the whole world and I got a goal of having the step established as a first-line medical treatment for 100 different diseases in 100 different countries have different rules in each country by the time on 100 years old so that's by May 7, 2062 which makes nearly 57 is open you do not do so got to let him hundred and then I'm taking a 20 holiday well we we are going to talk on some of the specific cases but I do know we only have about seven minutes left this half-hour but there are different wavelengths you use two variants of nanometers for red you have blue and green thicker and that we get you thinking don't use blue and grateful kind of day and I can talk about when Sherrick oh yeah no no that's fine because people and I why what is worldwide like the why Jesus waiting on one another my mind waiting for the new one or something like that like I can address all what really what I was going with is you use different lights because through the research you found it through intensity know whether the depth of the tissue that you're going to affect with the life you're going to use yell built-in protocols through your research and that this particular light in this particular setting requires this particular type of therapy right that the therapeutic window is quite broad and sure you can achieve the same effect with different wavelength okay and weaving a certain range and use similar intensities it's not a narrow accident like a cliff edge any for off by nanometer something to work or even a playpen nanometers it's not done what she called up quite a broad spectrum and it's not entirely clear yet now in the and that when it's if it's ever any better to use read only on Fred like unless the penetrations an issue if you want to get to the target that's centimeters date not really not get much beyond the names penetration matter what you say and if we had a whiteboard harassed on drawings why you can't as the diminishing returns and inverse square law on what happened but like sketches and gets absorbed but really says he millimeters is about the limit if you can measure light for a 5 cm deep down it's extremely low levels anything will wind down if you turn up the power by note by hundred percent if I double the pads will get double at that finances absolutely not see things get double the intensity by so you get double intensity of light on the surface let's imagine you 3 cm date let's imagine it's like .1% of what was on the surface something like that then .1% of one what per centimeter squared well you have .1% of double the power at its recent misty but is still double almost nothing it's just the people dumb mistake, doubling path doubling penetration he doesn't write double intentions F is just give you double the intensity at 3 cm deep but haven't been to double of almost nothing you have regained anything I want to completely geek out on this but I want finish with your career because now tells about board like how where you're at how how big it is are you because with all these you overcame all these obstacles now are you sober in my million-dollar business has it that the end of last year where on a run right so far this has 12 minute I have a 35 people Nursultan 72 countries discount him systems it must be about 6000 systems installed around the world mostly to what we call irrationally committed healers who wandered off the map and like buying toys/irrationally what irrationally committed heinous of these irrationally committed in the woods they the committed healers who so interested in making the patients better and they say that's it that's what I want I want one of those semi-one of those send me the bill or whatever it is and they buy one before they figure out how they can make any money with it right they irrationally committed healers and these are usually private medical practices across the world do have permits in the UK as well Australia and Canada making using and become main markets then why Chris Europe Middle East as well at the the irrationally committed healer so that people who think about healing patients before they think about the money and another thing to make money with it they do usually quite entrepreneurial as well not the not on the kind of blinks unlike in the career path that says no I just want to get sued today and identified if I don't go outside the norm such that my my head of department doesn't give me a promotion or whatever like that he's these are people who are just out for that patient that's all the focused on not that Korea's and they yes they will make money and they may make may not make career progression maybe doesn't have a career progression on a plane to people's grace of not being involved… Inhibited that Chris I'm sure it happens we go see meetings as well as probably medical people who are shunned by others seems that I could be getting valves it's crazy stuff but yeah so in all fields it's the irrationally committed healers wonderful Matt they don't stick to just what they learned in school but they probably do take a look at acupuncture and they taken a look at some other therapies this is a broad-minded and then the one of so that's wandering off the map of that career and then they like buying toys wondering off the mat though it to me is very endearing you just simply means you're open to realizing you don't know all the answer yes James our goal with this showing what works wonders were trying to bridge the gap were trying to look at these things take some of this irrational in enthusiasm and science it up know it makes sense now look we need to start reevaluating this kind of thing sort of bridging the gap between these two worlds that's Bartel within our field we reach the highest levels of evidence they thought people like systematic reviews and then published in the non-sit in the British medical channel doesn't get much better than that these things and still the barriers of that you can get the signs there are criticisms of all signs like a lot of the date was extended since its much abuse but in publishing high enough impact factor journals is always a reason why not it seems to me we now teaching in medical schools have got we not you got research project running 51 medical schools around the world now so this is where I think it what you got to get into this big alertness at school right that's how we met does mean is 1020 years before they are in a decision-making position coping 20 but sent me we needed many people leaving medical school with this as part of the toolbox and that's working and working the political level now as well have a Congressional briefing back in November did you see that I saw that on your two best served on the Congressional briefing and we now got somebody active full time around Capitol Hill working with insurance companies working with politicians trying to persuade them that we need more money from NIH to do the kind of research they say they want to see fun little and to change minds at the highest level has also continued this in the next half-hour when there is plenty of opportunity for laser.com back with James here is this is the only 24 hour take anywhere platforms dedicated to food and fun we're spooning user tower from Townhall.com I'm not arguing Washington says he's being harassed by house committees now run by Democrats is White House correspondent Greg Clarkson in the face of stepped-up investigations the president tweets this is the highest level of presidential harassment in the history of our country house Democrats are asking for six years of Donald Trump's tax returns 10 years of his financial records and are preparing to issue a subpoena for the full Russia report from the special counsel the president complains that some Democrats are fighting hard to keep the witchhunt alive Greg Claxton Washington a preliminary report finds no fault with prove that Ethiopian 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like go to our Instagram at KPMG help and you'll see we depose little video yesterday he took the time out of giving a lecture to show me the actual booth the laser booth bright pretty cool neat stuff. Read Albany one leg that's malaise that we usually got that one yes will get into that different websites that that's nobody thought.com and Novo Thorpe never told so that last half-hour loved your story you overcoming all the stuff clearly there's tons of data other from the literature why haven't why hasn't someone like me heard about it until just recently is not reinvest that's the bottom line it is so it would help also if that is the bottom line I mean if the only cancer centers that were dealing with would love to be using it tomorrow if only it was reimbursed so that is they probably will miss his major priority for us to need insurance code basically can stage a housemate and have yet still have another countries no you can't have national health service so it's only national health service for cancer patients it's is not out here yet because of the way the system works okay what about another kind of social program that may be comparable to the UK because if I remember correctly I think I overheard you been working with that the VA here stateside the correct that's right so we made a light helmet so if you can imagine American football football his helmet mentioned that with full of light of and identities bright red ones and the stick missing on your head and it shoots light into their brain what is that you're trying to accomplish with the light helmet for they the veterans so placed medic stress disorder and whatever cover any other cognitive problems related to concussion of brain injury you think you did to Hathor laser with his helmet would be it be beneficial if I understand correctly to help people with a concussion protocol absolutely or CTE protocol absolutely okay so What kind of evidence if you had with but that's fark that's that is deftly hot topic at CTE oh my gosh is working to have one of our guests coming up when we are to have it scheduled but the Col. Paul Blair oh yeah he works with election all the company that supplies our CBD he's done a ton of research on PTSD and traumatic brain injury I think there's a lot of synergy using these lights in CBD and got health all of it right fascinating I'm just going to have a look and something which is my my database here you can see it says Vogel you have your lights are to have but it's not is not public not just our goal so this is only funded by modulation reception on this missing him and then yeah I just brain him he took the studies regarding treating the brain woodlot 295 285 complete holidays published in peer-reviewed medical journals fantastic yes that shows what it does to reduce basically oxidative stress and increase IDP in the brain which means things for for nerve regeneration supported the cortical neurons chair and then looking the clinical benefits of that with us full by beating F brain drive neurotrophic factor and so helps the brain repair itself and that we love these effects maybe not Judas he sees the show in animals and humans were much bigger is how to get the light to steep and it seems a lot of these effects adjusted to improve blood flow as well it's still Ethan I'm all about how much of it to do with getting lots cortical neurons and how much of it is about getting light just improving blood flow but between the pair of them its people getting better minutes it was a TV show whether I think would be having I be showing you data from first patient whose finished cultivating treatment since we delivered this device and the change in his post medic stress disorder is this is breathtaking letter leading to asked about my follow-up question is been able to track anybody to see how maybe they been able to deal with their own personal depression since funny enough I just happen to have a score on just was looking at that a review on using this the very first one if you type in Google scholar 2017 in the journal reviews and neuroscience is the potential of transcranial photo bio modulation therapy for the treatment of major depressive disorder yes that's a 21 patient study how the medical school eight sets pass it is extraordinary and takes Micah so I think that when they need 18 treatments months of at three times a week for six weeks and he treats the treatment the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex of the tear in half hampered light emitting diodes and that they held there for 20 minutes both sides and yeah it's good but MDD met major depressive disorder is the third leading cause of disability in the world Seth and I were turning around but goes hand-in-hand with so many things major depressive disorder goes along with chronic pain goes along with sleep issues goes along with PTSD I mean it is a it can be the byproduct of so many things or to be the primary thing that can root cause other things no joke so I am just flipping this up on the screen for you you yes exactly the right question this is that's when if you screech each other shut you fast okay and I'll turn around others can see it to Festival self rating of cognitive behavioral and emotional function difficulties here look at this dramatic drop in plaza so in this visit thus itself writing on this is a retired NFL players yes emotional outbursts here so as it says down here reliable decrease is 10 to 20 points he has a 40 point drop off trickles of 18 treatments this is one week for the one month follow-up on that I'll just turn around so that one of your cameras can maybe pay you presume upon him about so what was wrong because this is absolutely critical narrate right this will get to play six is it really lose the focus back further away still not like to say I can't lie it's not out of focus I have to come in and refocus the camera and then reflect on the LCL I know you're the company to detail but it's that and how people look at this this is one individual so who the first person to complete cultivating treatments this is incredible potentially were talking about anybody who would have concussive issues it could be any athlete obviously football players but now when you're talking about traffic accidents road traffic density halls and the VA people who been subject to to combat battle absolutely but even beyond that you look at emotional outburst yeah yeah my staff you want will you will not got it did on Seo question now I think you might have an answer the question that it's just impressive that we got a technology that you are intimately familiar with literally four months ago I had just never heard of it right wow what a cool picture yet I'm going to thoughts of the tub just say I feel this is due on it get check project.com is you can see if you have video I make can see this cool helmet listen to football him with a bunch red lights on the inside that's the eye that that's the apparatus you're using them correctly yet and does so will will put all the images and make them available just the same and of course you will learn more Thor laser.com images training courses all over the world so if you go to the laser.com lookup training and you'll see that we do about space 50 trainings a year across the globe just yesterday you are in the North Dallas and what was the convention exactly as the Academy of laser dentistry okay so that they become fans of this to so the idea here is that so many pathologies that they could be treating them just use it for postoperative pain as an alternative to nonsteroidal anti-French drunks do not gratefully right but it looks better than insights and it helps you heal as well is that this is the big take away message for this but since it is an excellent pain reliever and in clinical trials it outperforms nonsteroidal engine from trees acetaminophen and opioids it also helps you heal which those drugs can actually inhibit healing so this is a technology which is regenerative and analgesic and anti-inflammatory and so dangerous we use it postoperatively but they also treat these people get these would look aberrant neuropathic extremely painful problems as well that people just don't have ounces full so I what I personally find makes me feel most moved by is what it can do for people in extreme pain and how whether drugs barely muscular tool is a kind of pain to draw people to suicide have postherpetic neuralgia trigeminal neuralgia this kind of thing so this is a fact we can actually turn these around by actually helping heal the that that this functioning of is what excites me but Petra just yeah it's funny I was just asking Marie about trigeminal or agile friend David I was so and he's in Houston he's up early 70s but he has trigeminal around he stand for five episodes a day and if you've ever seen this it say you you basically collapsed on the ground squeeze your head cry, this is a grown man who was in the military for years and years he went to two brain surgeries and dad the second cause a stroke and I was just asking if this effect on the only thing he's found he is not had a single episode why CBD is full spec CP but I think this is a treatment I I'm telling you is called a suicide disease of this there is some chronic pain is it just wears you down I was actually talking to a friend of mine just a couple days ago who is a pain doctor Dr. Paul Barrick and we were talking she is reevaluated his pain practice because his interpretation of pain his highest level it's your 1 to 10 scale is dependent on how much pain you've actually experienced in your life to drop reference right said it he broke his leg doing something so that was my tent and then he ended up with nerve pain now in Newtown was his new 10 now I have a holy respect when I talk to patients about what they say their pain is because when you start looking at some of this like phantom limb pain things that are all nerve related it is like trigeminal neuralgia on the all different kinds my dad passed from metastatic lung cancer two half years ago and the part the suffering that it took him down the most was trigeminal neuralgia and sadly this was not on the table as an option for him to have for him to turn to and only wish that it would've been it would've been fantastic had we having known you at the time to have been able to address that but it Patrick's incredibly correct and I'm sure that you you seen it in and can your right as well nerve pain is a killer average something else I actually had shingles number four years ago that wasn't much fun have y'all worked with any type of herpetic enough using psychical just looking my screen now I think I am missing something or say tribute to Greg of Terry Butts was a camera later but just to run the spouse you guys postherpetic neuralgia it's mostly 20 patients had mean age of 69 years means ration of paint at 2 1/2 years so up to the plate is in the study again to get treated twice a week for four weeks so group may get treatment twice a week for four weeks down here and the pain comes down group B is on a placebo it's a crossover trials and now group B get the active treatment plant pain comes down to join group A but not just replace not getting laissez down now this the follow-up data at the end of the month the second month after the end of the study and they nonfunctional the patient's it discontinued all medication this is a disease and drive people to suicide is using at 5% required reduced dosage of medication that six month follow-up 80% of patients have maintained a reduction in pain and to patients potential pain of scorer for not require medication and to recut potential pain of six and eight severalty that it's horrible for them but most patients here basically getting a long-term relief from this treatment time so I can only imagine that were not using this because it's highly addictive the side effects of tremendous drugs known as I clicked so it wasn't published in the great channel it was published in the laser channel and they see some of the criticism we get product because there are low level laser therapy journals out all laser medicine channels that like publishing at the something cool publication bias and everybody rightly is suspicious that if you publish your data in a general which is already sympathetic to feel then they tend to have a poor quality of manuscript review and therefore bits less reliable data is considered so that's one of the criticisms could you got all this enthusiasm by these irrationally committed healers and they start up associations with that unit if you come and say hi I'm curing zinc a virus and with end about Aaron and AIDS is I'm thinking of a leader right you know just because they believe they believe in this therapy chair and that doesn't help us really need a most skeptical recently got published in high-impact journals that are not and from oriented fuel club is it what you want to be going to paper should be in accounts of general not in a low level laser therapy general that's helps with getting in the right channels that's what will help us get into guidelines that will help us get reimbursement that will help us be mainstream we run into this also because you I want to be in the gastroenterology journals that the most premier ones and it and it ends up being a bit of a club word you know the editors of you understand that you submit and a lot of it is driven by the in my industry the pharmaceutical industry controls those pages they control what gets in large studies large randomized placebo-controlled trials that are very high so describing because if you're a pharmaceutical company have asked budgets which are not like anything is going to be in your industry is not presuming enough money in your industry possibly to fund these things is are billion-dollar maybe there is a C meeting other billion-dollar companies but they if they are they should be funding the trials that get into these channels and it was just an improved vitamin C for everyone that is fascinating though now the beauty of this what you're doing hold the mic and talking about it we know now in this age of information you the only people that really that matters with or the academic doctors were somebody walking their office going look this is a journal when they look at it go that's a that's a false journal route is people will talk a tier 3 channel number three and there is no budget was all done you can buy your way into any journal remember there was a show called and ruins everything where he actually submitted a script to show got published in a really low level journal that she published the script of the show you can pay for it yet you can pay to play but like you're saying you have no postherpetic neuralgia if you've got trigeminal neuralgia then when people talk they go on forms again these Facebook groups it has a movement you distract me and will you been doing it since 1987 shouting at the rooftop and that paper I think was 1992 so you've been around while you are at the dental conference yesterday have y'all been able to breaking into possibly like a dermatology group or ecology conference to talk about there this this treatment is alive and well in dermatology and I think I so the it's stem cells in the United States is not what we called them children Britain okay what region Britain was what you call medical dermatology an otherwise good treating with diseases of the skin if you like as opposed to dumb solitaire here is mostly seems to me about skin wrinkles and hair removal and breast enlargement of something that but based cosmetic surgery and that's not a world I want to be in this so much misinformation that feels that arming the just get a chance out that never excited by what they do with it and it's alive and well dermatology its academic there with that I just got message by somebody listening to this right now and this is one of the reasons that it's cost prohibitive to the client that is not depends if you're talking about if you want a home use device for treating yourself is it cost prohibitive and that the treatment there are devices that you can probably get $400 and the devices like on the whole boating never thought thing which is $100,000 but hundred and $20,000 so if somebody like one of these irrational practitioners what what would it cost for treatment typically if somebody were to go they just wanted this is something that they could that they could pursue and where can they find I think most people are doing 100 $250 per treatment okay but I say hundred 50 for Mente 5250 so I think it's typically in that kind of range and that the night with the website which is the whole body treatment system where we get 100 installations now is a map that you can go find some way we have thousands who use the laser products sold as a.com and is a tab which you really look honest think it's under the about us tab and he says find a treatment center and the right choice you tell us what you disease or injury as whereabouts in the world you live just fill in the form he tells us and then at them will shoot you and send you to somebody we know who we think will do a good job for you suffer individualized we don't want to have thousands could you could just say hey there's a treatment center down the street not realize it's a dentist but you going for a foot problem or it's a veterinarian or something like that and we haven't refined them we know we've got guys through a database McCaffrey Buffalo everybody would you like to be in a website with on a map to be promoted and then we got I think we got cool thousands of treatment centers around the world and do that before can become public so stateside you probably range everywhere from medical doctors medical offices and practices who currently have a Thor laser all the way to The same as massage therapists been using its can I have something to at my hands in any of those could be found probably on your locators long they've agreed to be listed I we haven't done this map for most of our products okay so you have to just filling out form will tell you whether the okay you say what you want have treated and that they say neuralgia trigeminal neuralgia we know there in this the city will say they need to see this going well this is uncharged once it is one thing that nobody is listening this is one of those things please share this because if you know anybody that has chronic pain in their suffering this is what this is why we have that's were trying to find ways to bring hope so that you're not just sitting there in a room depressed you know agonizing over some nerve pain this is at least an option I've got a loved one my aunt and as she is 80 years young and she has recently developed sciatic pain so she's begun getting treated by the door later and I would say that she was skeptically optimistic and now she's she's booked her follow-up treatments because it's noticeable pain and for her it really wasn't a white around the first treatment delivered results for her that day which is not what really I expected it wasn't what she expected but thankfully she had access to it and she feels she feels much much much better right right so what's really cool is you have no skin in the game we built were not affiliates or anything like that I'm just looking up the articles there are so many articles well done studies even in my field I just saw one just published in 2019 photo bio modulation of the micro bio implications for metabolic and inflammatory disease you say 2019 2019 so it is again on more recent then last month last month and I look at this and go oh it was published in the lasers and medical science journal I'm looking for someone to read it and see if it makes sense it makes sense then there is some rationale behind it does look deeper into yes so it there are many applications of the laser itself or the LED and so we talked about pain we just now learned that there's a recent article on the micro bio we can talk about it in the next half-hour's probably some of the best Takeaway stories and the best application but what are the different divisions that you want the laser to be available at I've heard of macular degeneration I felt obviously we'll talk about that the next half-hour but macular degeneration obviously covered pain we talked about some element of dentistry which we probably get into the next half hour what other avenues the upper suited to help alleviate pain and expedite healing my favorite three areas my first three targets for some of my my hundred plan as I called it hundred diseases hundred countries hundred years hundred euro plan might mention a firearm excises we done that Mike and for generations high on the list and displacing opioids as a treatment for pain is the Salem going from nice to have my will just go back to my dad he was he was dependent upon Dell audit. Flareups and that's that's no way to live whenever you've got to cancer and now you can go to the bathroom because you take too many opioids so just be begets a terrible cycle of I can't get relief so it's it's no good so reported this hundred hundred hundred thing really will help one of the things we can help you with if you go to love my Tommy.com/spooning the coupon to get out trying to which the molecules that are antiaging we need to make sure you make 200 to help IS what I think I need the account. It'll be interesting to see what we could do to collaborate probably sometime in the future to find out how using different therapies together can actually help us achieve our golden kids long talked about PTSD and CTE's got a friend to play down long-term football and has had close friends of his that unfortunately CT got the best of man these he got a personal interest Junior to find out what he can do to serve some of his his colleagues in terms of CTE improvement I should be a first-line medical treatment for kids are playing so I keep having more comfortable because it's not football as far as I can censure you. Yeah that's a yes vote for football focus point there was a recent very brave thing for you.whatever the first episode or not but there was a recent journal article that came out were unfortunately they did autopsies on teenagers who were killed and they show that even minimal amount is real football players American purple players minimal amount of trauma already started to show inflammation in the brain it's going to get from jumping the CT from drug run roller coaster maybe that we just only to walk around with PBM helmet so that I can't just sit in on CVD is a lot help if he had cemented Beasley's knees-sweating like to not have my most sense well it makes great sense well that we had a great last half-hour of the show is really get into some your great stories got a additional I a tooth extraction story want to talk about with some analgesia using the laser light therapy and course risk and wrap up and see what James Gill has offered to show love to have you done it you catch a glimpse of yourself in the mirror I'm I'm one of those people you don't want to see naked IBM most of us but I mean you look and you're going to die I don't get whatever all its horrible stock Townsend and Brad Staggs to tell you about a different way to shed those pounds this is brand-new technically been around for a couple years or so it was based on research from the University of California but said there is a molecule called OEA that's found naturally in your body produces it in the Mediterranean diet that when taken in concentrated amounts it will actually make you feel fuller and boost your metabolism I lost about 10 pounds so far is amazing now is cool company said we can take this to market to make this great product will help you it's called read you zone our IDU zone.com our IDU zone.com Brad's workers were comrades work for me countless other people go to read you zone.com and try today you're going to love it read you zone.com remember that our IDU zone.com take the pain out of ordering your diabetic testing supplies with diet Thrive diatribe ships the testing supplies you need directly to you when you need them best of all with plan starting as low as eight dollars a month diatribe is probably going to cost you less than what you're paying today diatribe is so convinced that you love their service they're offering your first month of supplies free simply type the Kodak DOC and check out diet Thrive.com that's DIA Thrive.com are you tired of high cable TV rates sign up for dish today and get a $500 bonus offer while supplies last loss locking your price for two years guaranteed call All-American dish your dish authorized retailer now 800-570-6630 800-570-6630 – 800-570-6630 authors required for vocation 20 from early termination fee instructions apply call for that's what happened LOL anyway so the microphones that have been a small issue David doesn't have accidents happy there just opportunities because while we were there you brought up something super cool our friends we just met last week in Utah you was talking to us a little bit and James has some expense with us it is so we are friends we met Kevin introduce us to an issue that that we were very familiar with also called lipid team and just so happens that issues of edema and little edema are things that James years quite familiar with and the extremes they've utilized Thor while I didn't think set up as a reminder this is the last half hour episode number five of the get your project here with your host Dr. Kent Brown and today were being joined by CEO of Thor laser Mr. James Carol James what were your your stores that you had to feedback on a deep you pick my Health I am so usually can't undertake some pictures you shall reaction on your faces and then ultimately canonize a soldier so this is a see her foot Scott had an ankle sprain his second-degree ankle sprain and these patient is put their foot in a was go to foot voltmeter sums about the water and then now this pipe it to see you Show the displaced Wharton that tells you which Capt. baked which is calibrated it tells you how much volume the reason that Littman Nicholas if it's going to deem it swollen therefore hopefully when he gets down the next time you do a little shy less by as her as a result so there must have experiments done so these are supplies of godly second-degree ankle sprains and they going to get rest ice compression elevation therapies or rice is a cold rice plus placebo rust present active laser treatment and the orange balls here show that the greatest reduction in edema over the following 72 hours is in the active laser treatment. This is significant you can say significantly reducing the amount of edema and in the name of these patients Hannah get into that celebs tend to an ultra story so there's that that's the foot for this we watching on the screen and then now you consider putting the football he me to head which measures displacement of water tells volume of the limb and then he is just about see the grouse UMMC the numbers by the orange ball compares the volume reduction in the limitless the reduction of edema in the patient to have the laser treatment versus those who did not have the laser treatment all of the measured intervals you can deftly tell that the laser treatment outperformed everything absolutely so that Sandy can out the next one maybe you can sit to the screen that you and in the distance but you saying is this is the shoulder disclosing something up his aching kind of civic better you say so that is the clavicle fracture clavicle okay and it's been plated six headsets has having to put a plate on the front to clavicle that is going to get signed up and then three days later this patient gets home to his wife you have to be a dentist use the product and this is the scar is little bit of life. And there's the Scott you can see all the puffy edema around the scar here and then she gives it a laser treatment and use it. Batman below and how is Leisa only thing has gone fascinating so this is good at reducing edema so this would work this actually reduces edema in the subcutaneous tissue with what it actually removed from the adipose tissue as well I think think so otherwise I think will be looking a lot thinner every time you get in so I'm a little I mean in the situation with the word talk about there are certain disease processes where the body will accumulate excess fluid is insomuch that the one that I really am excited to see if it works on is our friend who this is like liquid liquid the name of the Messiah that will festival the people who treat lymphedema which after breast cancer so God have mistake to Mandel that had recently placed taken out the arm swells up and it went go down because the text of the lymphatic system away all this fibrosis in the tissues it moves the fluid and so that's a medical condition after breast removal Loftus lymph nodes being taken out for breast cancer patients so grace woke surveys but washed out from the screen I can see that but that there is data that shows that this treatment and is a systematic review and let it show which confirms that this treatment will reduce the lot lymphedema and these people who use our product for lymphedema tell me also works for lymphedema while yes so that's anecdotal I haven't seen anything published will see this little essay because her friend is desperate the door to that point where people are being blown off you want to know why a lot of people are turning to functional medicine and I consider this a an arm of functional medicine yet you talk about you irrationally enthusiastic yes they are it's a lot of doctors and got frustrated I consider myself a functional gastroenterologist coming just open to it but a lot of people keep going to doctors and they essentially get blown all yes we got nothing more for him but he said the only course of action for her to take right now it's been effective and apparently only affects females and usually occurs after pregnancy is that she has to go and get routine Microsoft and that was what was then it always come back yet casual order now I would love to see if this was this one this one sucks a anecdotal but it is from people who specialize in lymphedema so curious I would left and I love to connect with a certain treatment center so you are the commitment to let directly will go through our website and we do love your case report on that if it works the changes in cities you live in Austin okay so I did a follow-up so I'll promise the listeners that we would also address macular degeneration and yes dry weapons two kinds wet and dry AMD okay most people have the workforce for the trifle and it's untreatable that 10 to 15% in the United States of patients who have dry AMD didn't graduate from college for smart Holos I did not know that there are two kinds of macular degeneration very well there is also two eyes they got so to get the best Shaun of the screen here is so hateful kids in my kitchen and if you don't have AMD you should have seen my K but if you develop AMD you begin to lose is not obvious 60 not pleasant but there is now there is now a bit slightly fuzzy picture in the middle you lose central vision and to get distortions in your vision as well so you might see some distortion that when it gradually as it gets worse you just contrast sensitivity are welcome but will black-and-white your losing some of the conflict, sensitivity and then you begin to develop these blind spots eases geographic atrophy and that and this gets worse until you go blind and something happens quite late in life you to picking the 70s but some people can begin in the 50s and what that means is that you don't people in that kind of age group do not learn to read braille they done learn to use white steak they can no longer drive the car much TV they can't read this is a really got the quality of life lost is horrible for these people and these people come about and to their friends and family that's hot that's horrible for them as well not just for the family but for the individual hates being about and can't see losing sight is is is horrific I member I got to know the Surgeon General of the nonstate Tommy and that she was the first woman Surgeon General and she said that when she visited troops back from the Middle East that that have limbs blown off and also to wounds in pain and said but the one thing that was she kept hearing was such that if you could think there's one thing you could fix what might could you fix my eyesight not having my eyesight he said on the key people my other and just about my eyesight back and she says it's just terrible that there was no effective treatment for diseases and injuries to the eye is effective well what you going to see here is a device which we make specifically for ophthalmologists to treat EI in another company down the cofounder and investor include Louis Sarah.com UMI TH TH TRA set limits outcome we develop… Specifically for formulas for treating disease of the on and we've treated hundreds of patients prior to a clinical trial we know it works reducing the visual acuity charts and now we finished a randomized controlled clinical trial visiting my screen so you went to El Torito from Napa beginning at three treatments a week for three weeks and the second round of treatment at six months as well and that because he couldn't have no treatment and we have some competency but we did the low dose for this is a hiatus which you should be able to see me on that screen that is that the full proper dose treatment people have improvement in the visual kit this is for the dry form which is untreated people with a.m. with wet AMD can have injections in the right right/progression so big it we've got patients in them and folk groups is a group which got high vision get a full dose or low-dose treatments we can see these are improvements in visual acuity on the Snellen chart which you see said they had three series of treatments up to one month and then we checked improvement and then Vic seems to improve to three months and have a second course of treatment to seven months but if you stop treatment it goes away so that's for the high vision group so they will be early stage AMD late stage MD a slow epic improve rate of improvement if you stop treatment that you guys wakes up even if not how long this is treatment what for amounts raised was 2 ounces it either last forever or you going to continue treatment if you've got a traumatic injury you the bus runs of my foot and I heal it with my laser light I'm healed forever that how long it lasts sure but if you go to chronic degenerative condition let macular degeneration or Lycos arthritis will you Alzheimer's some of the form of dementia that is always going to come back so you will be on a stretcher like this where you probably have in a course of three treatments wait for us for three weeks and then you come back again in six months and probably every six months the rest of your life is probably worth the price of vision yeah absolutely so somebody just messaged us what about diabetic retinopathy absolutely yes so we haven't done LCT so that randomized controlled trials that we know from people use this technology that they have treated the success fee that is a published paper on it, member fits a placebo-controlled trial but their scent have been published reports on this there's an underlying theme here it seems almost as if there is tissue especially nervous tissue to be repaired regenerated elected central nervous system disorders don't heal I don't hear very well right will with a lot of Scottish people we had the one thing I wanted to get into which I thought the I do want to get into it too early now or realize when the show is flying by its targets on a cellular level what's going on yes so maybe it seems that is probably more than one mechanism but the mechanism we know best and lonely but my State Farm is the effect of mitochondria and specifically where the light gets absorbed in such a crime scene oxidized so for those of you I have studied biology memo chemistry serving on the school without the M study anything but what I've learned because you know because I consumables like to be a layperson with these things so every cell in the body has have these mitochondria inside the job of mitochondria to make the central center energy called ATP and they do this by combining the food to be beaten with the ad that we breathe so when we will be breathing and oxygen attached to hemoglobin hemoglobin is can run the body by these red blood cells erythrocytes they deliver oxygen three provide the bloodstream to every single cell in the body the take to get her to the top of your head option gets its way to every cell in the body when we eat food we break it down into glucose and fat stored as glycogen but ultimately gets passed around to every single thing about in the form of glucose glucose goes through a process of the three main steps is glycolysis where glycolysis breaks down glucose into little bit of ATP can little bit of energy from I get to ATPs from glucose molecule we also get some nickel pyruvate and pyruvate is then broken down further by the mitochondria job of the month condors Festival this is to get this to games and that is the Krebs cycle breaks down to FAD H and NADH and the electron transport chain combines FATA and NADH with oxygen to make lots of hydrogen ions Drive ATP synthase C make ATP and that's my 62nd introduction my love that we open the show talking about performance athletes because that is exactly performance athlete uses these the Krebs cycle and then producing any DPH is correct so that's great when it's working but when were sick when when injured mom was stressed and just gradually as we get old something is wrong on mitochondria stop to make a molecule called nitric oxide what you heard of before my people aware of and think is a good thing but there's four different sources of nitric oxide this inducible nitric oxide synthase which makes all the bad stuff you want to be around that much cosine is neuronal not to cook side and this anything you not cocci which but most people learn about and is one that we always talk about Dilation of vessel yes right so but but but to I'm talking about another one which most people wouldn't learn about Cove mitochondrial nitric oxide and it has been known to regulate the production of ATP what it does is it binds to the terminal ends on the transport chain such concealed today's based the blocks consumption of oxygen and it seems under stress and hypoxia also a monthly make too much of this looks respiration such that the only NADH combined with oxygen outcomes help today's two electrons to have the end of the transport chain but when it's blocked this process stops electron transport chain becomes constipated and that's when he stopped to make superoxide and Haydn peroxide these are the free radicals that last part one more time when we so when Ralph if for such consent states is blocked by not courtside Elton, getting the con combined with an 88 and the electrons don't get handed off the end of electron transport chain then your electron transport chain is not caused by the electron flow stops that's when you stop to make superoxide Hodgman Brooks on which of the free radicals which are the archer to prevent defense to stop the process of inflammation and cell death fascinating trigger your genetic weaknesses so instead they have an effect on the Gibson gene transcription factors like and if A baby translocation to the nucleus and how that salt information but wait the point here is that one of the mechanisms that we know something about is how whenever we put like we do sell studies we put light on sales you see this flush of nitric oxide come out he releases it from the cell and then you get this increase in ATP and ultimately a reduction in oxidative stress the free radicals start information and cell death to summarize basely what you said is y'all been able to demonstrate that utilizing your therapy you been able to diss displaced the nitric oxide which is preventing our normal mitochondria which are trying to produce energy for our cell they've not been able to do it and so the slide is allowing that mitochondria now to work for us yes he seems to restore mitochondrial function so I'd have to say that we need this model was more work to be dominant hand exactly understanding these processes away what the role not to cosign ROS and ATP we know there'll joined up receipt is not cultlike, we see a blinking hourly soft with what comes back down below baseline in stressed inflammatory cells this is a busy little concerts come out for your audience and if the note went up and I know we just we just left a lot of people know the last half hour this is the part I was rather excited about because we thought about this all the time we talk about polyphenols in broken down by your own micro bio map in the post biotics which can produce things like your role within your Lutherans a molecule that causes like half a G my topic G is where an old and sick mitochondria go I'm done this going to die right and what were talking about here is know they they don't the.you just need to clean them out a little bit so I change the air filter unblock this and let it start running again because that's all mitochondria are the just powerhouse no we do everything now houses but they also have love important signaling qualities as well and they are the things that Yahweh will free radicals come from dysfunctional mitochondria is it probably is a powerhouse and but when things go wrong there that are applicable to their nuisance but you do need tomorrow as we know that one of the other mechanisms we know that ROS is important for triggering the stem cells that help regenerate abilities and help us make new immune cells as well just the first half hour we talked about this that's what horny senses when you stress the body is sauna you turn on heat shock protein yes when you fast you do stem cell regeneration this is the how the body adapts problem is when you have continual you have to have a great you have to recover yes and what James is referencing in case you're wondering when he says ROS its reactive oxygen species reactive oxygen species you know what I listen to Rhonda Patrick you know she's a hopefully a this is the this the kind of stuff I love this is what she does stuff about chemistry over time became academic friends a set of ditching and at some point in the segment is at this this and this, I think there are some wavelengths which affect film membrane permeability and ability to exchange calcium ions and now there are some mechanisms we don't yet understand people want to talk about other like accepting molecules like options which more like to absorb blue wavelengths of light and so slow to acknowledge that there are other of the mechanisms involved this whole stem cell triggering is not fully understood yet maybe another mechanism so you just explained in great detail in the fantastic quick way that could end up being a whole course on it so what is going what's going on so level now let's get back to the original thing that we started to talk about which is depth nutrition and disease and I want to say a disease state so for instance one of the things somebody just message me on was if you have arthritis in a joint like a ricin how many treatments how deeply get into the science of that particular thing so I got I'm a massage therapist my wrist is messed up and it's affecting my career I'm a gastroenterologist and I got tenosynovitis in one joint that is the most common disability the people in my field well folks will most exciting I've seen in this field it's been demonstrated in animals and lost one clinical trial to this 15 lease randomized controlled trials most arthritis one of them is shown by dim blood tests and monitoring MRIs there increase in joint space in the blood test revealed that with these patients a makeable conflict which is remarkable so we getting an anti-inflammatory effect and regenerative effects making coffee to as shown in one particular study thanks I find interesting and but also information in some tendon updates as well is going down south Umatilla .2 talking to this treatment will go comfortably you can treat one to maybe just back at like 3 cm have a sufficient dose if you treat long enough yes for an resisting can get little a few photos of 45 at centimeters something but it does seem to work we do have is what so well on the brain or any other deep target is because probably to do with this blood flow and this is another mechanisms we will releasing not cut side from other molecules improving blood flow and I think this explains a lot of the benefits which are outside of the penetration range of the light there are these indirect effects make sense of you can increase blood flow allowing cells to produce their own energy are going to increase healing that's exactly what your heat which are damaged tissue is going to quantities more blood flow yet so there's a whole lot more going on than just depth of penetration something is wondering when you're talking about the brain in the world are we helping depression and PTSD yes I think it's this is a major component of blood flow I'm apparently too far with my get too comfortable now right for you to sleep that's the issue I just want to own or as we call FCM fire chat mode right now liking that deposition Gerard also shown but I will a couple of other avenues not found a personally interesting were course can be a gastroenterologist you you'll have some reason that on the micro biome touch on that in the things I found for me being anesthesia provider you made reference to analgesic properties the yelp utilizes that you either did your own tooth extraction logic polluted that what I did to my own my own anesthesia filled out with laser light on the night she pulled the string easy to find position on my screen I thought I got ready left on the other screen that sick Jeff that we have people sending us in the articles that he's very mild while you being email the actual articles that were brain that were bringing up so that's awesome here we got line up to the best position at this is my right so I for I had a root canal some years ago which eventually failed it was a fracture in the root and then becomes infected so you have to have the tooth taken out and I want to see how good the pain relief could be with this so I treated my methods so the demonstration for so this is my tooth extraction labels yours and my dry face I face and that the board take the tooth so that means I was pleasantly in the good bit mi think that's a bit weird with the law states has already been loosened often they come to the pole and on the tooth severe my dentist blood to be look away say grabbing peaceful steps and then pulled that taste so it done on the laser anesthesia laser industries extend that please write so what we do here is a treat around the mandible so here's the outside of the mandible and the lease up with the publicans in the TV but the screen it is get some active drawing a blank line to represent the buccal none of that runs down the outside of your gums was an integral gums but outside of the mandible I treated three points on math for three minutes each which is quite long time in a field so that's now spent nine minutes on that side and nine minutes on the inside you yourself yes and so the practice of myself when I went to the dentist that she do it for me Genesis tree in your in your Jan is my dentist will so basically you are to enter rational dentists get a lot you to yes actually Ken that had the implant done as well when I was the post CSO then you let the mandible he'll be that soft tissues he'll be back a few months later and again cut the soft tissues and no local no local drill hole and screwing the metal so it all out and without feeling anything for those who read you can see that I see it long and saying are you serious answers and fantastic this is not it is not that's awesome it was mixed he takes longer than an honest irregular and aesthetically spending 20 minutes treating with a laser maybe working less time maybe is a quick way but I wasn't thinking this is this is not to revolutionize the dentistry industry this is just shows on yourself you're willing to put your money where your mouth is generally and you did that incredible quick question about that so if I remember the conversation correctly whenever you are describing this you are able to maintain motor movement correct yes and so by doing so much a function is a bit that interest me in that aspect of so would you say that the laser is more susceptible to work on a ferret nerves then he fair nerves maybe because myelination maybe maybe affect those other basically a fair nursery listing are those that carry pain sensory and whatnot back to spinal cord and even nurses how your central nervous system tells your muscles to move so the same thing happens whenever we do neuromuscular blockade Roger local I'll be able to stop innervation of the sensory and then but I know if I lose movement that I've covered everything so is it, the yeah I so you usually don't see any effect on motor function but I know people treat small animals because that smaller and if we use the same dose as we do in the human that maybe it Has come relief to have problem movies like sometimes have to run from out of seconds not minutes often after antigen analgesic treatment to the spine so we can overdo it on cats and small dogs expenses this makes total sense I would love the bar when I've had Eric drive me to the piercing shop several times Rosalie get a bellybutton ring that I chicken out each time now I will nevertheless you have no more time is no excuse for any pretenders these are in the mouth and if it probably shouldn't do that again we all believe it or not we are about to wrap up two hours really have just under two minutes left to go every single thing we referenced on here will you have quick links bleakness next week for all of our listeners will have the new podcast format up all the show notes will have the links back to everything James this is talked about in your next swim through we come through our Downham is absolutely yes been fun it's incredible information Ben-Ami if you were to find somebody local does store laser again just to out to make them aware they could go to Thor laser.com laser.com for the laser medical side of things and then the whole body treatment system is athletes using mess with things well never thought of and so my mission heal the gut protect the brain get people to sleep and working to be a healthier society protect the brain so important what's the point of doing everything that you're doing if you're depressed or if you're in pain or if you get dementia or Alzheimer's I think all of it leads to inflammation what you're talking about is a decrease in cellular information this is fascinating it is fast and deep don't have you want to go into depth on the Dell have high endurance athletes that you currently treat that you keep up with the see how they been able to recover from sports injuries not falling on a day-to-day basis but the Nike team are all mandated the middle and long distance runs and Nokia all mandated to use a light bed at least three times a week and that is slow fascinating stuff check out a gut check project.com you can also find a gadget project.com B directs the store and find your own KB MD CBD as well as your own personal John teal@lovemytummy.com/spoony don't forget to check the show notes of this particular podcast next week will have everything from Mr. 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