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Rob: Greetings, salutations,
hello and welcome back.

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We here at Subspace Radio are
very, very excited to be returning

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to some Strange New Worlds,
for the first time in two years

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Kevin: How long have I been asleep, Rob?

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Rob: We have been asleep for a couple
of months, but we have been sleeping

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on Strange New Worlds for two years.

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Kevin: How many, how many intervening
seasons of Star Trek has there been?

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There was the end of Discovery,
so there's discovery season five

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and two seasons of Lower Decks.

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Rob: seasons of Lower Decks and I think
we had a Prodigy in there as well.

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Kevin: A Prodigy, but
Picard was done before

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Rob: Yes, Picard was done.

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So we've done, uh, three seasons of
animation and uh, uh, one season,

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uh, of a show in its death throes.

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Kevin: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yowie zowie.

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Well, this the, this is the new normal.

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This is the new normal Rob.

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Um, enjoy it while it lasts, 'cause uh,
it'll be a while till, I guess, Starfleet

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Academy, the next thing we get to enjoy.

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Rob: Exactly, yes.

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But they are filming season four.

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Kevin: Yeah.

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And they've told us, there's a
shortened season five to come later.

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Yeah.

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Rob: Paramount!

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Kevin: But here we are still less than
halfway through Strange New Worlds.

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That's, that's, you know, that's the
reality is there's more Strange New

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Worlds ahead of us than behind us.

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Rob: Yes.

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And we have had to wait a very long
time for the return of a, you know, uh,

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now the conclusion of, uh, Hegemony.

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Kevin: Oh, they did it.

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They did it just like they did it in,
uh, The Best of Both Worlds part two.

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And now the conclusion
was the exact wording.

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Rob: Anson Mount did a
very good Majel Barrett.

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Kevin: Yeah, absolutely.

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Rob: So, yes, we are back and
we're gonna talk about two

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episodes, Hegemony part two, and,

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Wedding Bell Blues.

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Kevin: Yeah.

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No beating around the bush for us.

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We're just gonna tell you what we've seen.

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Rob: So let's get into it.

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Uh, first impressions,
uh, Hegemony, part two.

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Did it live up to the two year hype
of how to conclude, uh, a cliffhanger?

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Kevin: I don't know.

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That's a tall odor.

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I don't, I don't know if I can
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years for, but it was good.

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I think they stuck the landing.

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This is a worthy second part.

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It's we, you know, the, the annals of pop
culture are full of cliffhangers that,

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uh, were not worth it by the payoff.

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And here, I think, you know, they
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They, they delivered
everything they promised.

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Uh, the stakes were, were justified.

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Rob: Yes, and they like ratcheted it up.

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So it's sort like from the previous
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contained on that planet with a
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the outside, from the Federation.

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But this is sort of like
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So Pike had issues on multiple fronts.

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He had to deal with Batel being
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uh, beamed aboard with the colonists.

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How is he gonna survive?

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He's been called back.

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All this type of stuff is happening
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and Anson Mount was incredible in that
moment as Pike going, it's too much.

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I dunno how to handle this.

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Kevin: Yeah, I rewatched part one, like
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that was my impression as well, is like
they really, they gave that man a lot

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to worry about because he was mostly, he
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that, that finale was in some ways the
most Anson Mount or Captain Pike we saw.

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We saw more of him in that finale
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entire season that preceded it.

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In, in, in total.

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I don't even if that math exactly bears
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And so they, they gave us him a
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episode as well, is what it felt like.

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Rob: Exactly.

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And great, um, great, uh, troubleshooting
with the, with the bridge crew.

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Tried to figure things out.

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I was particularly impressed because that,
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How seamlessly it flowed from it pretty
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episode finishes and in reality, we've had
two two years of, um, of, of, of waiting.

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But the actors were on the top
of their game and just moved

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on without a beat, uh, missing.

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Kevin: I don't know if this is true,
but it felt like the production value

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went up a notch again, this episode.

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There were moments where I was
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going, the money that is being
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what I'm watching is unfathomable.

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Uh, they, yeah, they, they spent
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say about that two year break.

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Rob: Yeah, they really, uh, also focused
in on the ensemble nature of the show.

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So split across multiple different
locations, multiple different story arcs.

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So we had Spock and Chapel
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We had great character moments with,
you know, um, La'an finally figuring

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out what to do with this damage
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And her moment of realization
going, we are gonna save everybody,

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was an incredible turning point
for her as a character who's been

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so shadowed by that darkness.

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Kevin: This really was, it was
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finale to the point where like the
next episode we're about to talking

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about has a time jump before it.

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And it really feels like season three
only starts with Wedding Bell Blues.

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This was the end of season two, very
much, and all of the, the story arcs

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that concluded, including the Goren
threat, to all appearances, um, it

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really was a, a great big full stop.

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The other thing I'll say about this
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Best of Both Worlds Part two, in that
it didn't feel completely pre-planned.

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There were things established or
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felt like were dropped or, or were,
were fake outs for the second part.

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In the first part, there was a lot of
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Or is monster just a word for
someone you don't understand yet?

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Rob: Yes.

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Kevin: Yeah, and that felt like it was
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um, view of like, okay, well inevitably
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come to some understanding with the Gorn.

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But in the end, the, the, I think
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They get, you know, tricked into
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moths would to a flame, you know?

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Uh, and, and that felt like a departure
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course correction that I'm not sure they
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that's where they were going, in part two.

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The demarcation line that we saw in part
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out a signal and said, here's our line.

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It goes conspicuously right through the
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It felt like a plot point that
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something, but it didn't really.

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to They're invading the Federation.

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Rob: Yeah.

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And it did seem like, um.

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Uh, there was the, the rush job of
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so we could move on to starting the,
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Um, I like the, the lesser of two evils,
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a way to destroy them, finding that
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So as Mount says, um, as Pike says,
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for somebody else to deal with.

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Kevin: Captain, his name is Captain Kirk.

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He's on your ship, uh uh,
now and then you might know

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Rob: You've met him
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Kevin: He, he will be dealing
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The, the name of that star system
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on the star chart that we saw in this
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That's where the next
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Rob: Easter egg, Easter egg.

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Um, it was great to see, um, Scotty
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his work with, um, uh, the wonderful
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Rob: the dy the dynamic between
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Kevin: It really works.

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Pelia felt like a loose thread in
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tried to establish her character.

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Like famously, the actor herself said,
you really want me for a Star Trek role?

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And they said, we want exactly your vibe.

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Trust us.

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We know what we're doing.

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it didn't really make sense
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Like I kind of start to see how Scotty
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wacky, weird teacher in Pelia, and the two
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So yeah, I am buying into Pelia
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Rob: It is very much, yeah,

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Kevin: complete the double act.

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Rob: It's very much like what they
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Kevin: Hemmer.

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Rob: In, uh, season one.

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This seems to be something if they keep
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something I think really special to
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Scotty is a little bit unsure of himself,
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point where he learns from, uh, Pelia
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Kevin: Well, you've jinxed it now.

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Pelia is obviously getting infected with

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Rob: Yep.

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Kevin: and jumping off of
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Her demise.

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Rob: The, the, the one thing standing out
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the handling of the character of Ortegas.

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She was like, they, they played
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us that they were gonna kill her off
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because she is so underserved.

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Rob: Yes.

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And a part of me is there going,
oh man, the killer off in the

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first episode of the new season?

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That would just rub it in, how badly
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always, they've even been self,
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Kevin: They obviously are.

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They, they are, yeah.

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They went, oh, we've done this wrong.

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What can we do with that
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Rob: Yes, and we will be talking about
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doing it all in the one what they're.

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What they have done with her or
what they're hopefully trying, what

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I hope they're trying to do is,
um, they're going, Hey, finally

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she's getting some character
work and getting something to do.

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Kevin: She was really funny.

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I love the, don't be rude, of
course I can fly it, uh, moment.

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Rob: It's good to, and I, I always
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but I love having Sam Kirk around.

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Sam Kirk is doing is great fun.

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The actor's doing a wonderful job, and
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Kevin: He was even better
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No one likes your mustache.

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Rob: Just the point, the point where you
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you say that you've jinxed us, Sam Kirk?

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Kevin: I have to say the, the dark
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and, and, and things were at their
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Like when you turn the lights off
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red strip lighting, it suddenly
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Like in, uh, Balance of Terror
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low on both those sets, suddenly I
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Um, and then, yeah, right at the
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his knees to say a prayer next
to, uh, next to Batel's bedside.

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Rob: I really.

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Kevin: That felt significant
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Rob: Because it has been.

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Kevin: They tend to avoid Christianity.

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Rob: Oh, religion, in any
human religion in any way.

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or, um, the, the belief of the
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I know it was in, uh, Those Old Scientists
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background and his relationship with
his dad and, you know, hint hints of it

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there, but for me, it was a powerful,
beautiful moment of like, this is, you

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know, and for me as someone who grew up
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um, the Planet of the Apes movies, those
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science and religion and, um, Star Trek
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human point of view of that Christianity
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know, um, belief system on Earth and
how that connects within the Federation.

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taster of, um, uh, how Pike was at
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Kevin: Yeah, absolutely.

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It felt, um, it felt out of the ordinary
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Trek, but also it feels like Star Trek
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Like in the sixties when Gene Roddenberry,
no doubt in the show bible outlawed

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any mention of God or Christianity,
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beliefs, that there is a variety
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faith is itself a countercultural

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Rob: Yeah.

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consistent gospel, if you will,
uh, Star Trek has always preached.

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Rob: And I think, I think
that's a good way to look at it.

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It has been quite inclusive, especially
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But to include all.

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Is, um, a great statement, uh,
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yes, we are inclusive of, uh, all
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and, and cultures and stuff.

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or a story or an arc, but to have
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and it may come back, it may not.

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Kevin: So I'll say this was a,
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It stuck the landing.

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I won't go as far as to say, like this
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rewatching over and over again, but
it was satisfying, well executed.

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It made me remember
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Rob: Yeah, I, I, I really liked it.

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I, I, I liked the intensity of it.

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I liked the, the stakes were high.

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Um, and, uh, the, the, the whole
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Whether they have a decent amount of
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their characters, their relationships.

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And to be that fully fleshed only
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seasons is a credit to, to them
as a, as, as a, as a company.

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Kevin: Speaking of the company, the
company expanded a bit in our next

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episode, which is Wedding Bell Blues
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and I was, we got Ortegas' brother,
we got a new nurse, and we got a new

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bartender, or even two, depending
how you count them in this episode.

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Rob: we got the, uh, the entrance
finally, of a, um, uh, quite

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important figure within the classic
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with, uh, Roger Korby has arrived.

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Kevin: Hmm.

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Or as, uh, I saw it.

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Someone mention online in a chat room.

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I follow, uh, Dogtor
Corby was in this episode.

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Rob: Is, is that the Irish
tones coming through Dr. Korby?

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Kevin: No, it's the, uh, it's
the bulldog he was turned

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Rob: That's right.

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He was turned into a beautiful bulldog.

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I thought it was a thought, it was a,
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got, he's got that lith to his voice.

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Kevin: For the record, not at all irish,
that character in the original uh, series?

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Rob: I was wondering, I was wondering
if it was any ties there or, Nope.

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They just made, they're playing loose
and fancy free with their cannon, which

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a lot of people will be, it will be
the hill that they live and die on.

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Kevin: Yeah, I, I mean, yeah, the,
the, the number of things you have to

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just go with and go, oh, well, it's a
different version of the same story.

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Rob: I think that's where we're, I
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end of last season or something.

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Kevin: I, I do have to say it
was a little disappointing.

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I was like, oh, who did they get and
how does he echo the original character?

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And they got someone who's attractive
with an interesting accent who

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would sell to today's audiences.

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And, as far as I can tell, no
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to the original character, who
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Rob: Yes.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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More to serve a point to the
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Kevin: There was definitely more
linking the two versions of Trelane

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that we got to meet, though.

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of Trelane, our, our proto-Q.

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Rob: Which

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Rob: which has only been connected
via novelization, or Yes.

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Written by an author who's Peter
David, who sadly passed away quite

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Kevin: He away, uh, during
this hiatus very recently.

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I read a lot of Peter David Star Trek
comics back in the and one or two

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of his novels, uh, I've read a lot
of his non-Star Trek stuff as well.

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He was a, just a great
genre fiction writer.

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He, um, did some original stuff,
but he was best known for like,

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taking other fandoms and like
finding stories within the cracks.

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And I'd say no one ever did
it better than Peter David.

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So, yeah, I do miss him.

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Rob: Yes, yes.

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Our, our thoughts were with him
and his family, and the people

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who knew him and loved him.

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Um, had you read that, uh, novelization,
which, uh, connects Trelane and um, Q?

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Kevin: No, I didn't.

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I have only read the fan theories
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you know, they are similar.

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There are diff they are
differences in some ways.

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I, I went back inspired by this episode.

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I went back and watched the Squire of
Goos, uh, from the original series,

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which is the episode in which we, the
crew of the enterprise meets Trelane

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and Spock does not recognize him,
but they account for that in Wedding

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Bell Blues by making Trelane um,
wear a, a mask or a a, a disguise.

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Everyone else sees him as
the Vulcan bartender and then

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the  c  wedding planner only.

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We get to see him as Rhys Darby, who looks
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Trelane in the original series episode.

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So you can, forgive Spock and the
other crew members in, in common

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with the two episodes for not
recognizing Trelane when he returns.

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Rob: Fast and loose cannon.

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Kevin: The thing that doesn't quite stack
up and that you have to kind of like

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just go with is a big plot point in the
original episode is that Trelane is all

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dressed in, uh, like period military garb.

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He lives in a, in a castle on a, on
his planet that's filled, filled with

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recreations of, um, human history junk.

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Uh, and the crew makes a point of going,
oh, well, this lines up because he

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is this many light years from Earth.

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And so if he is watching Earth
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version of earth that he's seeing.

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And they also talk about how none of
the food has any flavor and, and so

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like the, the, the version of Earth
that he recreates is without substance.

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It, all of the, all of the shape,
all of the forms, but none of its

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substance is, is what Spock says.

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Rob: It is

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Kevin: So that doesn't quite line
up with this new story where Trelane

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visited Starbase One and participated
in a human wedding and helped cater

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and pour drinks at a bar does not line
up with someone who does not Earth's

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Rob: Now thi, thi, this guy knew
everything about all the substances,

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um, if you know what I mean.

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Um, so yeah, this is a, this is a
big flip, this episode a and it's,

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it's just a reminder of you've missed
a Strange New Worlds for two years?

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Let's just remind you
of how episodic we are.

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Let's, let's,

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Kevin: And how nostalgia driven it can be.

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Rob: Yes.

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Kevin: basically borrowed from two
different episodes of the original series

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with Roger Korby from What Are Little

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and Trelane from the Squire of Gothos,
and went we'll knit those two like

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satisfying references for fans into, a,
a paper thin episode that ends exactly

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the same way as the Squire of Gothos did.

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And the fans will delight with their
nostalgia berries, and job done.

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Like that is the obvious criticism of this

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Rob: Mm-hmm.

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Kevin: think the, the.

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The, the journey is more satisfying
than that conclusion would, would paint.

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I think like it was a fun ride this
episode, the, the moments of, you

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know, Spock punching, uh, Korby in
the face and then feeling bad about

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it when he realizes what's going on.

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And so he's, he lies in bed with his
guilt until Korby regains consciousness,

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like all of that business, all of the
costumes at the wedding, all of the

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Sam Kirk in, uh, a very traditional
wedding outfit, while everyone else

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is wildly dressed in space garb,
all of that was really delightful.

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So I think, uh, like ironically,
this episode was more

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about style than substance.

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Rob: Yeah.

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Yeah, I can definitely, uh, see that.

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And also, uh, a certain actor returning
to voice a certain, uh, God-like orb, uh,

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Kevin: Yes, I have not fully researched
what they're establishing there, but I

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believe when we last saw Q talking about,
uh, reproduction in the Q continuum on

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Star Trek: Voyager, he said something
along the lines of the last child born

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in the continuum was born like two
millennia ago, or something like that.

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And my understanding is if you do
the math with Trelane says about his

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age in this episode, those line up.

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So you could say, Trelane is the
last child born in the Q continuum

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before Captain Janeway helps Q with
and Q with their, their relationship

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problems in Star Trek: Voyager.

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Rob: Rhys Darby did an excellent
job, as always, bringing in

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that energy of a certain type
of actor filling in that role.

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I get this, I I got a weird sense of like,
um, uh, Rain Wilson coming in as Mudd.

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Kevin: Yeah.

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It's satisfying when a well-known
actor jumps into your cannon

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and validates it by their

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I was like, Rhys Darby
knows what Star Trek is.

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Uh, I don't know how serious a
fan he is, but I'm just happy

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you're in the tent, you know?

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Rob: Yes.

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Um, and, uh, uh, really interesting
stuff with, uh, Ortegas's brother who's

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been mentioned before, showing up now.

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Kevin: Was it interesting?

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I'm yet to be

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Rob: uh, I was kind of, I was kind of
liking the whole big sister and, um, uh,

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Uhura flirting type of stuff, dynamic.

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Kevin: It felt a little
paint by numbers to me.

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Like saying, rather than telling.

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I don't, I don't believe
there's an attraction there.

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I was told there was an attraction there.

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I don't believe it annoys her.

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I was told it.

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So I like, I'm waiting to feel it,
but they're setting up for something

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that I hope goes, goes somewhere fun.

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Rob: Well, speaking of feeling, I really
felt, uh, the exploration of the damage,

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uh, done to Ortegas physically and
also mentally, specifically mentally.

451
00:24:09,902 --> 00:24:14,342
I really started to feel that and I'm
there going, I'm in this, I'm in for this.

452
00:24:14,482 --> 00:24:18,342
If you are doing this with
Ortegas this season to

453
00:24:18,506 --> 00:24:18,796
Kevin: Yeah.

454
00:24:19,442 --> 00:24:23,032
Rob: focus on her and focus on her in
this way, especially because she wanted

455
00:24:23,032 --> 00:24:29,352
to go on away missions and for this away
mission, I do in inverted commas, she, she

456
00:24:29,372 --> 00:24:31,872
saw how serious that type of stuff is and

457
00:24:32,136 --> 00:24:35,236
Kevin: We had a hint of it last season
when, in that episode where everyone was

458
00:24:35,236 --> 00:24:40,826
like forgetting their, their, who they
were, their identities and, and like

459
00:24:40,846 --> 00:24:45,706
she went into this spiral of fear until
she was reminded that she flies the ship

460
00:24:45,726 --> 00:24:49,506
and that's what allowed her to kind of
like her teeth and get back to work.

461
00:24:49,766 --> 00:24:51,106
But like, that was a hint of it.

462
00:24:51,206 --> 00:24:54,746
It feels like they're going, that was
interesting enough that we are, we are

463
00:24:54,746 --> 00:24:56,506
going to do the full version of that now.

464
00:24:56,662 --> 00:24:56,882
Rob: Yes.

465
00:24:56,942 --> 00:24:58,082
And then becoming a mantra.

466
00:24:58,302 --> 00:25:03,322
So it takes away the, the potential
shallowness of it being an almost

467
00:25:03,522 --> 00:25:10,667
humorous of going, that's all she is,
but it becoming a part of, you know, this

468
00:25:11,347 --> 00:25:16,347
traumatic event and how that affects her
is a really powerful way of inverting

469
00:25:16,537 --> 00:25:20,867
that type of mantra, so it doesn't become
like a, a laughing stock type of moment.

470
00:25:21,347 --> 00:25:25,447
I'm kind of, I think we're
done with lovesick Spock.

471
00:25:25,997 --> 00:25:28,407
Hope, I hope we're done
with lovesick Spock.

472
00:25:28,437 --> 00:25:28,727
Yeah.

473
00:25:29,327 --> 00:25:30,367
I think that was kind of, um.

474
00:25:31,262 --> 00:25:36,832
It's more of a season two thing and we
had a nice little resolution, I think, but

475
00:25:36,922 --> 00:25:39,192
three months later and he still lovesick.

476
00:25:39,192 --> 00:25:43,112
There was some nice humorous, awkward
moments that everyone was reading

477
00:25:43,132 --> 00:25:46,192
the room, uh, except some people.

478
00:25:46,612 --> 00:25:48,752
Um, but yeah, I'm ready
for that to be over.

479
00:25:49,182 --> 00:25:53,952
Mind you, it was cute at the start where
he's looking at two of the exact same

480
00:25:53,952 --> 00:25:55,312
shirts and which one should he wear?

481
00:25:55,582 --> 00:25:56,272
That was cute.

482
00:25:57,656 --> 00:26:00,756
Kevin: It was cute, but I also went,
oh, this is one of those episodes.

483
00:26:00,962 --> 00:26:01,252
Rob: Yeah.

484
00:26:01,472 --> 00:26:01,692
Um,

485
00:26:01,981 --> 00:26:04,871
Kevin: This is one of those episodes
where you're asked to buy into everyone

486
00:26:04,871 --> 00:26:09,231
being a little stupider than they are most
episodes, but it's, it's for comic effect.

487
00:26:09,252 --> 00:26:11,412
Rob: I didn't get to bring it
up, but it was, it played out

488
00:26:11,412 --> 00:26:12,932
really nicely last episode.

489
00:26:13,072 --> 00:26:16,772
Um, I really love Ethan Peck, and
I love what he's doing with Spock.

490
00:26:16,772 --> 00:26:17,892
And there was some beautiful moments.

491
00:26:18,202 --> 00:26:22,012
This episode, you couldn't really judge
it because was, it was the light one.

492
00:26:22,512 --> 00:26:28,212
Um, but those moments when he punches
Korby and that snaps him out of it moment.

493
00:26:28,321 --> 00:26:33,341
Kevin: The in the bar with, please do
go on, I've recently become a student

494
00:26:33,361 --> 00:26:34,941
of romance, or something like that.

495
00:26:35,091 --> 00:26:38,621
Like, you're like, oh man, you
are getting hurt, my friend.

496
00:26:38,841 --> 00:26:40,581
Um, you feel for him?

497
00:26:40,581 --> 00:26:41,861
Yeah, I, do agree.

498
00:26:41,861 --> 00:26:42,781
That stuff works well.

499
00:26:42,857 --> 00:26:43,557
Rob: For me, yeah.

500
00:26:43,657 --> 00:26:51,427
I'm seeing elements that I feel a lot of
versions of Spock after the definitive,

501
00:26:51,967 --> 00:26:55,187
uh, Leonard Nimoy was always great at you.

502
00:26:55,287 --> 00:26:56,307
He wasn't robotic.

503
00:26:56,487 --> 00:26:57,587
He was never robotic.

504
00:26:57,657 --> 00:26:58,627
Even in the sixties.

505
00:26:59,427 --> 00:27:04,987
Watching episodes, I'm there going, he is
bringing so much shade and color and tone.

506
00:27:05,127 --> 00:27:08,227
That's why he was a master
actor, an incredible actor.

507
00:27:08,397 --> 00:27:10,947
Underrated in, in much in many ways.

508
00:27:11,207 --> 00:27:16,827
But he brought that out so much in the
original films that beautiful nuance.

509
00:27:16,927 --> 00:27:18,587
And Ethan Peck is getting that now.

510
00:27:18,607 --> 00:27:23,667
He didn't really, he had elements of
it in, um, in elements of Discovery

511
00:27:23,767 --> 00:27:28,787
and a little bit of season one, but
he's at that point now, peak Spock,

512
00:27:28,787 --> 00:27:33,707
where he can really show that, uh,
that wonderful color and range.

513
00:27:33,807 --> 00:27:34,707
So I'm really loving,

514
00:27:35,746 --> 00:27:38,926
Kevin: I'm ready for him to start
to mature and season though I agree

515
00:27:38,926 --> 00:27:40,726
with seen, we've seen young Spock.

516
00:27:40,736 --> 00:27:41,086
Let's,

517
00:27:41,237 --> 00:27:43,467
Rob: Let's let, let's get
Love six Bach out of the way.

518
00:27:43,587 --> 00:27:45,607
I loved his son, his scenes with La'an.

519
00:27:45,627 --> 00:27:48,747
I think that's, there's a really
good relationship between the two of

520
00:27:48,747 --> 00:27:55,467
them and La'an's like breaking free
of her guilt and darkness to see a

521
00:27:55,467 --> 00:27:57,987
side of her, which um, is wonderful.

522
00:27:58,071 --> 00:28:01,191
Kevin: I'll be interested to see how
that con character continues to evolve,

523
00:28:01,191 --> 00:28:05,874
because I feel like La'an has established
in this series and actor, Christina

524
00:28:05,964 --> 00:28:08,754
Chong, uh, are, are, are very different

525
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:09,170
Rob: Yeah.

526
00:28:09,719 --> 00:28:15,049
Kevin: Uh, Christina Chong is a girly girl
who wants to dress pretty and dance, and

527
00:28:15,170 --> 00:28:17,050
Rob: Sing and dance and musical

528
00:28:17,169 --> 00:28:18,769
Kevin: takes her doggy
with her everywhere.

529
00:28:18,829 --> 00:28:19,529
And she's a singer.

530
00:28:19,559 --> 00:28:19,849
Yeah.

531
00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:30,189
And, and La'an is this damaged, guarded,
um, very serious, powerful character.

532
00:28:30,469 --> 00:28:34,069
I feel like with La'an we've been
getting to see what Tasha Yar could

533
00:28:34,229 --> 00:28:36,029
been if they really invested in

534
00:28:36,155 --> 00:28:37,655
Rob: That's a great way of looking at it.

535
00:28:37,685 --> 00:28:37,975
Yeah.

536
00:28:38,029 --> 00:28:39,089
Kevin: and I'm really liking it.

537
00:28:39,189 --> 00:28:43,329
But with this episode, like, and it
happened previously in the episode

538
00:28:43,329 --> 00:28:47,729
where they all played the, the storybook
fantasy characters, Christina Chong broke

539
00:28:47,729 --> 00:28:52,979
through in the dancing scenes here and
I was like, uh, it is not quite La'an,

540
00:28:53,049 --> 00:28:57,529
I don't think, so I'll be interested
to see how they continue to, to balance

541
00:28:57,559 --> 00:29:01,969
between what Christina Chong wants to
do and what La'an on the character wants

542
00:29:02,085 --> 00:29:04,505
Rob: And that's always a bit
of a danger when you are on

543
00:29:04,505 --> 00:29:06,265
a TV show for far too long.

544
00:29:06,565 --> 00:29:11,105
The writers pick up on the actors'
traits and, uh, getting to that

545
00:29:11,105 --> 00:29:17,095
point of do you lose your character
to the, uh, the actor or, yeah.

546
00:29:17,589 --> 00:29:19,889
Kevin: I'm okay with the character
evolving, but like, I think back

547
00:29:19,889 --> 00:29:24,489
to the musical episode last season
and her song, I've, I've listened

548
00:29:24,489 --> 00:29:27,809
to it a few times because it's one
of my favorites from, you know, an

549
00:29:27,809 --> 00:29:29,649
uneven episode, as we've discussed.

550
00:29:29,849 --> 00:29:33,569
There are a few songs that are
highlights for me and, hers, um.

551
00:29:34,919 --> 00:29:37,659
Is basically a song saying,
what if I did open up?

552
00:29:37,689 --> 00:29:40,339
What if I did become someone
who wears their heart on their

553
00:29:40,339 --> 00:29:41,779
sleeves and feels their feelings?

554
00:29:42,399 --> 00:29:43,499
No, that's not me.

555
00:29:44,534 --> 00:29:46,254
Point of the song is, that's not me.

556
00:29:46,254 --> 00:29:47,974
That's not the kind of person who I am.

557
00:29:48,154 --> 00:29:52,094
If I'm gonna be myself, I need to accept
that I am not someone who wears their

558
00:29:52,094 --> 00:29:56,534
heart on their I never will be, uh, even
though I might wonder how that might be.

559
00:29:56,754 --> 00:30:01,894
Um, so I, I really love that
statement of this character's purpose.

560
00:30:02,394 --> 00:30:07,414
And every time the Christina Chong, uh,
girly girl stuff breaks through, I hope

561
00:30:07,414 --> 00:30:12,094
that doesn't sound derogatory, but I
feel like it is, it is not the promise

562
00:30:12,144 --> 00:30:13,494
we've been made about that character.

563
00:30:13,700 --> 00:30:13,920
Rob: Yes.

564
00:30:14,020 --> 00:30:17,840
And yeah, it's that finding that
balance of the actor and the character.

565
00:30:18,300 --> 00:30:21,680
Um, so yeah, there's been
a lot of negativity online.

566
00:30:21,820 --> 00:30:22,760
I'm trying to cut that out.

567
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,000
I, I, I loved it.

568
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,960
I thought it was a very, yeah, like
you said, it was style over substance,

569
00:30:27,260 --> 00:30:30,600
but I had a lot of fun with it,
and as soon as it started went, all

570
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,000
right, this is the episode we've got.

571
00:30:33,484 --> 00:30:36,764
Kevin: I, I'd say I liked it less than
Hegemony part two, but my partner,

572
00:30:37,424 --> 00:30:39,204
she was like, oh, fi this is good.

573
00:30:39,204 --> 00:30:40,004
Like Hegemony.

574
00:30:40,084 --> 00:30:41,764
I was like, oh, when
is this gonna be over?

575
00:30:41,904 --> 00:30:44,004
The Shooty, Shooty Bang Bangs?

576
00:30:44,354 --> 00:30:48,284
This was like character
comedy and she lives for.

577
00:30:48,384 --> 00:30:52,284
So, so, um, yeah, different Star
Trek, different episodes for folks.

578
00:30:53,025 --> 00:30:54,085
Rob: And that's what
we love about the show.

579
00:30:55,364 --> 00:30:58,864
Kevin: We picked bartenders as
our topic from these two episodes

580
00:30:58,864 --> 00:31:02,984
because wedding Bell Blues here has
not one, but two new bartenders.

581
00:31:03,044 --> 00:31:09,064
We have Rhys Darby posing as a
Vulcan, and then we have the, uh, the

582
00:31:09,074 --> 00:31:13,104
three armed character who's, who's,
uh, race, I forget the name of,

583
00:31:13,275 --> 00:31:16,795
Rob: I forget the race off as well, but
they did appear in the animated series.

584
00:31:17,194 --> 00:31:17,484
Kevin: Yeah.

585
00:31:18,024 --> 00:31:20,044
And then again, in Lower Decks.

586
00:31:20,629 --> 00:31:24,329
It is… Edosians.

587
00:31:24,513 --> 00:31:28,273
Rob: I am glad this Edosian
doesn't sound like the Edosian in

588
00:31:28,273 --> 00:31:29,713
the animated series 'cause that

589
00:31:29,787 --> 00:31:30,007
Kevin: Oh,

590
00:31:31,493 --> 00:31:33,593
Rob: grates on my soul.

591
00:31:34,657 --> 00:31:36,607
Kevin: Would you like
it shaken or stirred?

592
00:31:36,973 --> 00:31:37,753
Rob: See, I no.

593
00:31:38,383 --> 00:31:41,003
You could speak like that
to me for hours, Kevin Yank.

594
00:31:41,233 --> 00:31:44,243
That was, that was music to
my ears as opposed to the

595
00:31:44,243 --> 00:31:45,923
dissonance that that all right.

596
00:31:45,943 --> 00:31:46,563
It was, yeah.

597
00:31:46,563 --> 00:31:47,323
It was so odd.

598
00:31:47,463 --> 00:31:48,563
Um, but that was a, yeah.

599
00:31:48,663 --> 00:31:51,923
Lovely little introduction
in a, a flare like that.

600
00:31:52,023 --> 00:31:56,203
And a character was established very
quickly within like a minute or two, so.

601
00:31:56,842 --> 00:31:57,332
Kevin: Very quickly.

602
00:31:57,632 --> 00:32:02,252
The, the, the recruiting practices
for, for non-commissioned staff

603
00:32:02,272 --> 00:32:04,012
aboard Starships are a little strange.

604
00:32:04,112 --> 00:32:05,132
But what else is new?

605
00:32:05,132 --> 00:32:08,812
Star Trek's always a little strange
in the margins of their society.

606
00:32:09,232 --> 00:32:10,292
So yeah, this was fun.

607
00:32:10,532 --> 00:32:14,692
I, I also, I just liked, liked the moments
we've been given in these two episodes of,

608
00:32:15,192 --> 00:32:20,394
um, Pike and Number One, working as team.

609
00:32:20,974 --> 00:32:24,674
The captain and first office
dynamic has been lacking with pike's

610
00:32:24,674 --> 00:32:28,234
absence last season and we've had it
again, and it's really satisfying.

611
00:32:28,510 --> 00:32:30,610
Rob: Um, Rebecca Romijn is incredible.

612
00:32:31,030 --> 00:32:36,730
And, um, for someone who came from
modeling into acting and, uh, what she.

613
00:32:37,570 --> 00:32:40,390
Has done throughout her career
and what she's doing now, this

614
00:32:40,390 --> 00:32:42,130
is, this is Peak Rebecca Romijn.

615
00:32:42,130 --> 00:32:45,390
This is re, Rebecca
Romijn at her best, doing

616
00:32:45,504 --> 00:32:48,294
Kevin: She's underplaying everything
and it's really effective.

617
00:32:48,410 --> 00:32:51,460
Rob: And, but she's being
there for, for Pike.

618
00:32:51,460 --> 00:32:53,110
She's being there for a crew,
which we've seen before.

619
00:32:53,170 --> 00:32:56,430
But like you said, the dynamic between
the two of them has been missing

620
00:32:56,430 --> 00:33:01,070
because Anson Mount has been AOL,
you know, AWOL with daddy stuff.

621
00:33:01,410 --> 00:33:05,350
Um, but she's just outstanding and
doing a fabulous tribute to a character

622
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:06,670
created by Majel Barrett obviously.

623
00:33:07,259 --> 00:33:07,379
Kevin: Yeah.

624
00:33:07,379 --> 00:33:07,619
Yeah.

625
00:33:08,079 --> 00:33:11,299
So we'll see how this, this
new bartender plays out along

626
00:33:11,299 --> 00:33:13,299
with the new nurse in sick bay

627
00:33:13,300 --> 00:33:13,940
Rob: Yeah, they'll love

628
00:33:13,999 --> 00:33:17,699
Kevin: uh, and Ortegas's brother
also who seems to be joining the

629
00:33:17,970 --> 00:33:18,820
Rob: They like each other.

630
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,460
Didn't you tell they liked each other?

631
00:33:21,260 --> 00:33:23,260
Ortegas's brother and
Uhura like each other.

632
00:33:23,299 --> 00:33:24,499
Kevin: I believe I was told that, yes.

633
00:33:26,899 --> 00:33:27,719
Um, so.

634
00:33:28,974 --> 00:33:33,844
Let's talk about bartenders, because this
is not the first bartender to join a cast.

635
00:33:34,264 --> 00:33:36,524
Uh, some of them have been
baked in from the beginning.

636
00:33:36,554 --> 00:33:40,724
Some of them have been strapped
on halfway through, them

637
00:33:40,794 --> 00:33:41,964
were just little guest stars.

638
00:33:42,344 --> 00:33:47,524
Uh, so I, I, I have a feeling I know which
bartender comes to your mind and foremost.

639
00:33:47,614 --> 00:33:47,964
Let's

640
00:33:48,145 --> 00:33:49,615
Rob: Let's start with Quark.

641
00:33:50,525 --> 00:33:50,815
Yeah.

642
00:33:51,165 --> 00:33:54,215
He's, uh, Quark's an interesting one
because he doesn't, yeah, he can be

643
00:33:54,215 --> 00:33:58,135
a bartender, but mostly he's sort of
like the owner of the saloon, really

644
00:33:58,155 --> 00:33:59,775
in the wild west, if we're doing that.

645
00:34:00,115 --> 00:34:04,615
But he has, he does have those moments
of sort of like serving a drink, uh,

646
00:34:04,965 --> 00:34:09,935
filling in the role of what a bartender
does as counselor or encourager or,

647
00:34:10,195 --> 00:34:12,575
uh, you, uh, an open ear to listen.

648
00:34:13,115 --> 00:34:17,815
Um, in many ways, Vic Fontaine
becomes that more in the seasons.

649
00:34:17,914 --> 00:34:18,754
Kevin: Was gonna say the same.

650
00:34:19,394 --> 00:34:23,074
'cause, 'cause um, he has his
moments, but quirk usually is not

651
00:34:23,074 --> 00:34:24,154
there to give you good advice.

652
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:25,340
Rob: No, no.

653
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:31,180
He kind of, his antagonistic relationship
with Odo develops into, you know,

654
00:34:31,370 --> 00:34:35,540
they say what they mean to each other
and or if there's a problem they

655
00:34:35,540 --> 00:34:40,420
help each other out in, you know, in
underhanded ways so that they can still

656
00:34:40,420 --> 00:34:42,740
keep up that facade of antagonists.

657
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:48,740
Um, but the role of, the traditional
role of that bartender support,

658
00:34:49,535 --> 00:34:52,555
you know, font Vic Fontaine,
when he came in, he did that.

659
00:34:52,575 --> 00:34:57,915
He did it for Nog, he did it for Odo
to, to finally gum up the courage to,

660
00:34:58,295 --> 00:35:00,235
you know, say his feelings towards Kira.

661
00:35:00,735 --> 00:35:05,755
Um, whereas yeah, quo was
more of the antagonistic, uh,

662
00:35:05,925 --> 00:35:08,395
force within, um, the bar.

663
00:35:08,774 --> 00:35:12,894
Kevin: Nevertheless, I, I loved him in
those moments where he was behind the bar

664
00:35:13,074 --> 00:35:18,334
and wiping the table or, or haranguing
his, his staff for, for not doing a bad

665
00:35:18,515 --> 00:35:19,255
Rob: His relationship

666
00:35:19,334 --> 00:35:21,134
Kevin: he was actually doing his job.

667
00:35:21,434 --> 00:35:22,934
It was so fun to watch.

668
00:35:23,295 --> 00:35:23,515
Rob: Hi.

669
00:35:23,515 --> 00:35:26,475
Uh, his relationship with
Morn was always good.

670
00:35:26,475 --> 00:35:26,875
Always.

671
00:35:26,875 --> 00:35:29,175
You know, Morn was the first
to enter, last to leave.

672
00:35:29,875 --> 00:35:36,175
Um, creating that, uh, that atmosphere of
what Quark's is and would be to go to, um.

673
00:35:36,175 --> 00:35:40,315
Armin Shimmerman was, you
know an incredible performer.

674
00:35:40,335 --> 00:35:46,015
And I love stories of every time there was
a qua a, um, her faren focused episode in

675
00:35:46,015 --> 00:35:49,935
Deep Space Nine, he would always invite
all the ferengis around to his house.

676
00:35:50,395 --> 00:35:51,415
Um, they'd have dinner.

677
00:35:51,755 --> 00:35:54,575
Him and his wife would serve dinner
and they'd do a script reading, go

678
00:35:54,575 --> 00:35:57,615
through their characters like the night
before, the first day of shooting or

679
00:35:57,755 --> 00:36:01,935
uh, that type of stuff I love hearing
about, the community that he built up.

680
00:36:01,935 --> 00:36:08,000
And in many ways, Armin Shimmerman was
the open bartender, inviting people in,

681
00:36:08,340 --> 00:36:10,640
uh, against character, so bless him.

682
00:36:10,894 --> 00:36:17,304
Kevin: I loved how that character
occasionally departed from our, our core.

683
00:36:18,454 --> 00:36:21,984
Crew because he was not fully bought
into the ideals of the Federation.

684
00:36:22,064 --> 00:36:25,904
I mean, that was the power of that
show, is that there were cast regulars

685
00:36:26,084 --> 00:36:27,784
who were not part of a Starfleet crew.

686
00:36:27,804 --> 00:36:31,704
And therefore, every once in a
while, their ethics, their morals,

687
00:36:31,704 --> 00:36:36,344
their, uh, loyalties, diverged
from, uh, the rest of the characters

688
00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:41,020
Rob: And dare, dare I say, makes
it a bit more interesting to have a

689
00:36:41,020 --> 00:36:45,380
character like Garak a, a character
like Quark who is not following that

690
00:36:45,380 --> 00:36:48,700
procedure than take us to places we
would, you know, not normally see.

691
00:36:49,781 --> 00:36:52,767
Kevin: My favorite scene of Quark's
is a little moment that almost

692
00:36:52,767 --> 00:36:54,047
didn't make it onto the screen.

693
00:36:54,157 --> 00:36:58,257
It's from The Way of the Warrior and
it's the root beer scene with Garak.

694
00:36:58,273 --> 00:36:58,563
Rob: Yeah,

695
00:36:59,427 --> 00:37:02,687
Kevin: Uh, and, uh, you know,
it's, it's The Way of the Warrior.

696
00:37:02,757 --> 00:37:06,047
It's this huge high stakes
like invasion day sort of,

697
00:37:06,363 --> 00:37:07,083
Rob: multiple episodes.

698
00:37:07,787 --> 00:37:11,327
Kevin: And that episode was coming in
short, so they had to write some extra

699
00:37:11,527 --> 00:37:12,647
material for it at the last minute.

700
00:37:12,747 --> 00:37:14,767
And this scene is what they wrote.

701
00:37:15,307 --> 00:37:19,202
Uh, and Quark and Garak are at
the bar and Quark goes, I want

702
00:37:19,202 --> 00:37:20,362
you to try something for me.

703
00:37:20,472 --> 00:37:21,402
Take a sip of this.

704
00:37:21,862 --> 00:37:23,202
And Garak goes, What is it?

705
00:37:23,882 --> 00:37:24,522
A human drink.

706
00:37:24,592 --> 00:37:25,562
It's called root beer.

707
00:37:26,442 --> 00:37:27,042
I don't know.

708
00:37:27,672 --> 00:37:28,162
Come on.

709
00:37:28,182 --> 00:37:29,802
Aren't you just a little bit curious?

710
00:37:30,662 --> 00:37:33,642
And Garak takes a sip,
wincing as he tastes it.

711
00:37:34,382 --> 00:37:35,302
What do you think?

712
00:37:35,432 --> 00:37:37,522
Garrick goes, it's vile!

713
00:37:38,322 --> 00:37:38,642
I know.

714
00:37:38,912 --> 00:37:41,962
It's so bubbly, cloying, and happy.

715
00:37:43,187 --> 00:37:45,607
Garak says, Just like the Federation.

716
00:37:46,747 --> 00:37:48,207
And you know what's really frightening?

717
00:37:48,707 --> 00:37:51,687
If you drink enough of
it, you begin to like it.

718
00:37:53,347 --> 00:37:55,767
Garak says, It's insidious.

719
00:37:57,237 --> 00:37:57,527
Just

720
00:37:58,003 --> 00:37:58,823
Rob: the Federation.

721
00:37:59,427 --> 00:37:59,647
Kevin: Ugh.

722
00:38:00,123 --> 00:38:01,083
Rob: I remember that now.

723
00:38:01,283 --> 00:38:01,963
I remember that.

724
00:38:02,233 --> 00:38:02,523
Yeah.

725
00:38:02,673 --> 00:38:03,683
Beautiful scene.

726
00:38:04,452 --> 00:38:08,032
Kevin: And after they shot the episode,
they had too much, and there was a

727
00:38:08,032 --> 00:38:11,952
real discussion about cutting that
scene because it was last in first out.

728
00:38:12,372 --> 00:38:15,712
But they were so happy with what it
had done, what it said about these

729
00:38:15,712 --> 00:38:19,962
characters, about how the way they viewed
the Federation, not in a black and white,

730
00:38:19,982 --> 00:38:24,792
good versus bad way, but as one of the
shades of gray they get to choose from.

731
00:38:25,492 --> 00:38:26,952
Um, so they kept it in.

732
00:38:27,092 --> 00:38:28,712
I'm so glad it's my favorite Quark moment.

733
00:38:29,298 --> 00:38:30,298
Rob: I love Deep Search Nine.

734
00:38:30,298 --> 00:38:31,618
Have I ever told you that, Kevin?

735
00:38:32,538 --> 00:38:32,658
I,

736
00:38:32,917 --> 00:38:33,077
Kevin: feeling

737
00:38:34,838 --> 00:38:35,058
Rob: um,

738
00:38:35,407 --> 00:38:36,347
Kevin: You don't need to tell me.

739
00:38:36,367 --> 00:38:37,347
You don't need to tell me that.

740
00:38:37,427 --> 00:38:38,427
I could feel it, Rob.

741
00:38:39,458 --> 00:38:40,228
Rob: Yeah, that's right.

742
00:38:40,748 --> 00:38:42,588
I, I, I, I, show, don't tell.

743
00:38:43,208 --> 00:38:47,308
Um, it's a good thing we've got a
screen, so I feel like I know which

744
00:38:47,338 --> 00:38:49,348
bartender you'd like to talk about next.

745
00:38:50,107 --> 00:38:51,147
Kevin: Are we talking about Guinan?

746
00:38:51,218 --> 00:38:51,508
Rob: Yeah.

747
00:38:52,437 --> 00:38:52,727
Kevin: Yeah.

748
00:38:53,448 --> 00:38:55,908
Rob: The great Oscar
winning Whoopi Goldberg.

749
00:38:56,477 --> 00:38:56,697
Kevin: Yes.

750
00:38:57,278 --> 00:39:00,908
Rob: Who's so important, so
famous, they literally could

751
00:39:00,968 --> 00:39:02,708
go, I want to be on the show.

752
00:39:02,968 --> 00:39:03,548
And they went,

753
00:39:03,727 --> 00:39:04,017
Kevin: Look.

754
00:39:04,327 --> 00:39:04,617
Yeah,

755
00:39:05,258 --> 00:39:06,548
Rob: I'll create a character you.

756
00:39:07,897 --> 00:39:12,377
Kevin: I don't know how much Reese Darby
knows his Trek, but when Guinan joined

757
00:39:12,397 --> 00:39:21,337
the show, it was known she was a fan could
not wait to be let onto that starship.

758
00:39:21,778 --> 00:39:25,678
Rob: And it, it's safe to say during
this time, like late eighties, she,

759
00:39:25,878 --> 00:39:27,918
'cause she didn't join until se

760
00:39:28,252 --> 00:39:30,212
Kevin: 1988, this se, season two, episode

761
00:39:30,378 --> 00:39:31,038
Rob: Season two.

762
00:39:31,038 --> 00:39:31,278
Yeah.

763
00:39:31,578 --> 00:39:35,438
Um, this is Whoopi Goldberg at
the height of her popularity.

764
00:39:35,908 --> 00:39:37,558
This is just before she

765
00:39:37,722 --> 00:39:41,522
Kevin: not, she wasn't, she was slumming
it as much as she ever did in her career.

766
00:39:41,778 --> 00:39:42,878
Rob: If, if anything

767
00:39:43,062 --> 00:39:45,562
Kevin: did this entirely for
the love, not the paycheck.

768
00:39:45,758 --> 00:39:47,358
Rob: Everyone going Whoopi Goldberg.

769
00:39:47,418 --> 00:39:53,078
And, and this was definitely of the time
where film was held in a higher esteem.

770
00:39:53,098 --> 00:39:53,878
And if you were doing,

771
00:39:53,992 --> 00:39:55,092
Kevin: She was Sister Act.

772
00:39:55,272 --> 00:39:56,172
She was, she was

773
00:39:56,188 --> 00:40:01,478
Rob: Yeah, is just before she got, um,
her Oscar for Ghost, which was 1990.

774
00:40:02,018 --> 00:40:05,918
Um, but at the moment, yeah, obviously
things are different now with escape

775
00:40:05,918 --> 00:40:11,788
of where streaming and TV series
are held, if not more regarded

776
00:40:11,808 --> 00:40:13,388
for its dramatic work for actors.

777
00:40:13,888 --> 00:40:16,508
And so you can go from
film and television.

778
00:40:16,808 --> 00:40:20,188
But back in the eighties, like in
the seventies, if you were doing

779
00:40:20,248 --> 00:40:22,028
TV that was seen as slumming it.

780
00:40:22,448 --> 00:40:27,628
Um, and for a, a film star to go and
do, like if you're a theater actor, oh.

781
00:40:27,968 --> 00:40:30,308
But if you got TV oh, that's good.

782
00:40:30,648 --> 00:40:33,188
But if you, and if you're a
TV actor who could move in

783
00:40:33,188 --> 00:40:34,828
the film, you are a superstar.

784
00:40:35,048 --> 00:40:37,308
But if you're a film actor
coming back down to TV.

785
00:40:38,348 --> 00:40:39,398
Your career was over.

786
00:40:39,858 --> 00:40:44,598
So for Whoopi Goldberg to just go, I
love this show so much, I don't care.

787
00:40:44,758 --> 00:40:46,038
I wanna be in it in any way.

788
00:40:46,138 --> 00:40:50,198
And for them to create this character
just for her is still, uh, it

789
00:40:50,198 --> 00:40:51,558
still gives me tingles of joy.

790
00:40:52,777 --> 00:40:56,812
Kevin: It was, I would say a rough time
to join Star Trek: The Next Generation.

791
00:40:56,842 --> 00:40:58,702
It had a very bumpy first season.

792
00:40:59,382 --> 00:41:03,742
Famously, the, the writing, um,
staff entirely left after the

793
00:41:03,858 --> 00:41:04,278
Rob: that's

794
00:41:04,822 --> 00:41:07,102
Kevin: another recent Star
Trek series we know of.

795
00:41:07,202 --> 00:41:11,222
But there's a, there's a documentary
called, uh, Chaos on the Bridge that

796
00:41:11,332 --> 00:41:16,262
some people say is not exactly true,
but if half of what it talks about

797
00:41:16,362 --> 00:41:19,532
is true, it was, it was a rough place

798
00:41:19,748 --> 00:41:20,038
Rob: Yeah.

799
00:41:20,152 --> 00:41:21,652
Kevin: season one, TNG.

800
00:41:22,312 --> 00:41:24,452
Um, chaotic to say the least.

801
00:41:24,832 --> 00:41:29,492
But season two of NextGen
came back with a confidence.

802
00:41:29,492 --> 00:41:34,652
They redesigned the uniforms, um,
Crusher left and was replaced by

803
00:41:34,802 --> 00:41:36,772
Pulaski in this very same episode.

804
00:41:37,512 --> 00:41:42,012
And, uh, they built, they built
the shuttle bay deck and they

805
00:41:42,012 --> 00:41:43,822
built Ten Forward for Guinan.

806
00:41:43,888 --> 00:41:44,088
Rob: Yes.

807
00:41:44,982 --> 00:41:49,642
Kevin: So really like this is when
people ask me, should I, should

808
00:41:49,682 --> 00:41:53,402
I watch Next Gen? I'll say, look,
Next Gen is my favorite Star Trek.

809
00:41:54,022 --> 00:41:57,242
But you could skip the entire
first season and just read the

810
00:41:57,242 --> 00:41:58,362
cliff notes of what that was.

811
00:41:58,362 --> 00:42:03,402
Because there are definitely, it's first
season you gotta, you gotta grit your

812
00:42:03,402 --> 00:42:05,242
teeth through some pretty awkward moments.

813
00:42:05,383 --> 00:42:10,083
Rob: Yeah, I've always like, I've, I've
always wanted to go the full dive, but

814
00:42:10,083 --> 00:42:13,243
I've always come in from, it's like with
me trying to read Lord of the Rings,

815
00:42:13,803 --> 00:42:18,323
I always, I never get outta Hobbiton
and I can never get past, uh, you know,

816
00:42:18,663 --> 00:42:21,003
season one, I've barely make a dent.

817
00:42:21,023 --> 00:42:25,003
But when you throw me episodes for
me to watch from later seasons, I'm

818
00:42:25,003 --> 00:42:27,003
going, ah, I can watch this every week.

819
00:42:27,752 --> 00:42:30,812
Kevin: So, yeah, it's a cliche,
but I think season two, episode one

820
00:42:30,812 --> 00:42:34,612
where Guinan joins the ship is really
where Star Trek Next Gen gets good.

821
00:42:34,752 --> 00:42:38,812
It finds its confidence, um, and
there's a new creative team behind it.

822
00:42:38,812 --> 00:42:43,492
There's new money behind it, and it really
is the show they set out to make, but

823
00:42:43,492 --> 00:42:45,212
didn't quite get there in season one.

824
00:42:45,738 --> 00:42:45,958
Rob: Yes.

825
00:42:46,112 --> 00:42:48,092
Kevin: Uh, so yeah.

826
00:42:48,232 --> 00:42:48,852
And um.

827
00:42:48,852 --> 00:42:53,037
Guinan is Guinan right away as well.

828
00:42:53,107 --> 00:42:54,757
There's no beating about the bush.

829
00:42:54,827 --> 00:42:58,597
They knew what that character was
gonna be from the beginning, right

830
00:42:58,597 --> 00:43:02,287
to her guest appearance in in Picard.

831
00:43:02,337 --> 00:43:06,197
Um, it is the same character throughout.

832
00:43:06,457 --> 00:43:08,117
She does one thing and one thing well.

833
00:43:08,497 --> 00:43:13,157
She tells you annoying anecdotes that end
up that, that are on the surface about

834
00:43:13,157 --> 00:43:14,597
her, but they're actually about yourself,

835
00:43:17,292 --> 00:43:19,762
which I think is a really
a bartender thing to do.

836
00:43:20,332 --> 00:43:23,042
Lemme tell you a, that
reminds me of a story.

837
00:43:23,138 --> 00:43:27,098
Rob: I remember this guy that
once knew is, uh, reminds me a

838
00:43:27,098 --> 00:43:28,338
little bit of you right there.

839
00:43:29,757 --> 00:43:30,497
Kevin: And, uh, yeah.

840
00:43:30,517 --> 00:43:36,857
In this episode, because Crusher has left,
one of the plot points is that Wesley is

841
00:43:37,337 --> 00:43:42,537
planning to leave the ship to go and be
with his mother at Starfleet Headquarters.

842
00:43:42,797 --> 00:43:48,257
But he is sad about leaving the Enterprise
and at, at a point in this episode,

843
00:43:48,257 --> 00:43:52,207
he is standing in the big windows of
Ten Forward looking out at the galaxy.

844
00:43:52,747 --> 00:43:55,327
And Guinan walks up
and offers him a drink.

845
00:43:55,347 --> 00:43:56,327
And he says, no thank you.

846
00:43:56,387 --> 00:43:58,727
So she offers him another drink
and he says, no thank you.

847
00:43:58,787 --> 00:44:02,367
And she offers him a third drink
and he, he cracks it and goes,

848
00:44:03,697 --> 00:44:04,787
I've refused you three times.

849
00:44:04,927 --> 00:44:05,747
Why do you keep doing that?

850
00:44:05,747 --> 00:44:07,547
And she goes, because it's expected of me.

851
00:44:07,597 --> 00:44:09,627
Don't you always do
what's expected of you?

852
00:44:10,847 --> 00:44:13,667
Her, her point of course is
that if he doesn't wanna leave

853
00:44:13,667 --> 00:44:14,867
the ship, he shouldn't do it.

854
00:44:14,967 --> 00:44:16,747
And so he decides to stick around.

855
00:44:17,407 --> 00:44:23,947
Um, and that, like, she, she appears
briefly and then is in one meaningful

856
00:44:23,947 --> 00:44:29,227
conversation alone with a member of
the cast who changes their minds about

857
00:44:29,227 --> 00:44:35,347
something at the last minute thanks to
her advice, advice, her, her, very veiled

858
00:44:35,347 --> 00:44:40,667
advice, um, is, is the thing that she
does again and again, right up to the

859
00:44:40,667 --> 00:44:41,907
very last time we've seen that character.

860
00:44:42,628 --> 00:44:43,648
Rob: Um, she did have.

861
00:44:44,868 --> 00:44:49,168
In many ways a leading role in
Yesterday's Enterprise that was focused

862
00:44:49,438 --> 00:44:54,248
episode solely on her, um, where
everybody else has forgotten them.

863
00:44:54,248 --> 00:44:58,608
We've gone to an alternative dimension,
but because of Guinan's uh, uh,

864
00:44:58,608 --> 00:45:02,888
history and her, um, her what race she

865
00:45:03,152 --> 00:45:07,312
Kevin: pivotal in the, the,
the, her, her role in the plot.

866
00:45:07,412 --> 00:45:11,802
But I would say that that is not
so much an episode about Guinan.

867
00:45:11,822 --> 00:45:16,272
It's more about the people
whose lives are changed, uh,

868
00:45:16,652 --> 00:45:17,752
for the better, for the worse.

869
00:45:18,018 --> 00:45:18,678
Rob: It is very much

870
00:45:18,792 --> 00:45:20,032
Kevin: Tasha Yar very much,

871
00:45:20,938 --> 00:45:26,798
Rob: and she's there to facilitate
sort of like tell the characters why

872
00:45:26,798 --> 00:45:30,798
they need to change and why they need
to do this, as opposed to this is

873
00:45:31,762 --> 00:45:34,372
Kevin: Yeah, it's an exceptional
script for her because she

874
00:45:34,372 --> 00:45:36,292
comes out and says it for once.

875
00:45:36,472 --> 00:45:38,572
She says to Tasha,
you're not supposed to be

876
00:45:38,708 --> 00:45:38,998
Rob: Yeah,

877
00:45:39,592 --> 00:45:44,852
Kevin: Um, which is being that direct
does not come naturally to so that's the,

878
00:45:45,332 --> 00:45:46,772
that's the exception that proves the rule.

879
00:45:47,368 --> 00:45:50,278
Rob: She's very much, 'cause they,
it's like hint to the fact that she

880
00:45:50,538 --> 00:45:56,518
is from a race that lives longer than
humans, that she's all and, and the way.

881
00:45:56,577 --> 00:46:01,697
Kevin: an El-Aurian, the same as, uh,
uh, the doctor in, uh, Generations.

882
00:46:01,913 --> 00:46:04,203
Rob: right, Malcolm, uh, McDowell, Soran.

883
00:46:04,533 --> 00:46:09,353
Um, and yeah, having her in that
movie and without her, uh, headpiece

884
00:46:09,383 --> 00:46:14,073
with her hair flowing down again, she
explains the nexus to, um, Picard.

885
00:46:14,613 --> 00:46:14,833
Um.

886
00:46:14,857 --> 00:46:20,202
Kevin: She is linked to many
pieces of Star Trek Next Gen lore.

887
00:46:20,382 --> 00:46:24,842
She, she has a, like a barely explained
rivalry with Q. There's an episode where

888
00:46:24,962 --> 00:46:29,562
Q comes aboard and she gets her hackles
up and, and it's like they, they are

889
00:46:30,172 --> 00:46:32,402
races who hate each other preternaturally.

890
00:46:33,282 --> 00:46:34,042
Really cool moment.

891
00:46:34,662 --> 00:46:36,662
Um and the Borg.

892
00:46:36,662 --> 00:46:38,182
The Borg destroyed her home world.

893
00:46:38,282 --> 00:46:42,792
And so every time the Borg come
back, in a way, Guinan comes back,

894
00:46:43,082 --> 00:46:48,062
or there's a reason to bring Guinan
back because she, she accepts

895
00:46:48,422 --> 00:46:52,502
everyone for who they are except the
Borg who destroyed her, her home.

896
00:46:53,082 --> 00:46:59,012
And, that is, a, an another
thing that she's connected to.

897
00:46:59,012 --> 00:47:02,907
So yeah, like, I don't know if it's
just, she's our most famous actor,

898
00:47:03,007 --> 00:47:06,667
so anytime something momentous
happens, we make, we'll make sure she

899
00:47:06,667 --> 00:47:08,747
has feelings about it or, or what.

900
00:47:08,807 --> 00:47:15,227
But yeah, I feel like she is in some
ways, uh, the hub, uh, at the center of

901
00:47:15,227 --> 00:47:17,587
the spokes of Star Trek Next Gen Lore.

902
00:47:18,118 --> 00:47:21,528
Rob: Yeah, it like it, it's never
been described as stunt casting.

903
00:47:22,028 --> 00:47:29,278
Um, and I'm trying to think is,
you know, anyone bigger as a, a

904
00:47:29,278 --> 00:47:31,198
movie star ever doing Star Trek?

905
00:47:31,238 --> 00:47:36,558
I mean, I know there were rumors that,
um, Tom Hanks was offered to play to

906
00:47:36,558 --> 00:47:39,038
be a Zephram Cochrane in First Contact.

907
00:47:39,698 --> 00:47:41,198
Um, which I always thought, oh,

908
00:47:41,392 --> 00:47:42,492
Kevin: Slater in Star Trek VI.

909
00:47:42,508 --> 00:47:47,618
Rob: Well, I was just about to mention
the Ensign coming to wake up Captain Sulu,

910
00:47:48,338 --> 00:47:50,798
um, or Ricardo Montalban coming back.

911
00:47:51,178 --> 00:47:52,558
Um, yeah.

912
00:47:52,898 --> 00:47:53,318
But um.

913
00:47:53,432 --> 00:47:56,572
Kevin: But he was famous for
tv, not movies then as well.

914
00:47:56,672 --> 00:47:57,692
So yeah, I think you're right.

915
00:47:57,752 --> 00:48:00,372
Whoopi Goldberg is the most
famous Star Trek actor.

916
00:48:00,898 --> 00:48:04,958
Rob: And even like in the, in the
Kelvin line ones like the villain for,

917
00:48:05,618 --> 00:48:13,018
for the all three of the movies you
had Eric Banner, who's like a jobing

918
00:48:13,018 --> 00:48:14,858
actor, but I wouldn't say a movie star.

919
00:48:15,008 --> 00:48:16,018
He's done a lot of movies.

920
00:48:16,678 --> 00:48:21,458
Um, then you've got Benedict Cumberbatch
who was just starting to ascend, but

921
00:48:21,458 --> 00:48:25,738
even he's become more just not an icon,
but more of just a, a jobbing actor.

922
00:48:25,758 --> 00:48:28,778
And then you've got Idris Elba,
who's a dropping actor as well,

923
00:48:28,778 --> 00:48:30,018
and they haven't broken into that

924
00:48:31,562 --> 00:48:36,642
Kevin: Funny, those, those like, um,
special guest stars in the movies

925
00:48:36,862 --> 00:48:40,642
to me, for whatever reason, they
actually diminish those movies.

926
00:48:41,438 --> 00:48:41,788
Rob: Right.

927
00:48:41,922 --> 00:48:47,542
Kevin: almost as if like the movie
needs that star in order to make

928
00:48:47,542 --> 00:48:49,782
it worthy of mass market attention.

929
00:48:50,132 --> 00:48:54,062
Whereas in the TV appearances
when the stars appear on TV,

930
00:48:54,422 --> 00:48:58,582
feel like they are uplifting the,
the, uh, property in a weird way.

931
00:48:58,702 --> 00:49:00,542
I don't know why it works that
way in my brain, but it does.

932
00:49:00,808 --> 00:49:02,788
Rob: No, I, I, I, I get that as well.

933
00:49:02,788 --> 00:49:04,628
Especially, and it showed with Discovery.

934
00:49:04,738 --> 00:49:08,938
Once you getting an actor like,
getting Michelle Yeoh, even though,

935
00:49:09,718 --> 00:49:12,498
you know, at that point she hadn't won
an Oscar, but that was when, oh wow.

936
00:49:12,498 --> 00:49:13,178
That's a big moment.

937
00:49:13,478 --> 00:49:18,298
And Jason Isaacs as well in that regular
role and then bringing in Rainn Wilson

938
00:49:18,558 --> 00:49:20,818
was, was a, a powerful move as well.

939
00:49:20,958 --> 00:49:22,298
And Rhys Darby now.

940
00:49:22,798 --> 00:49:23,018
Um,

941
00:49:23,432 --> 00:49:26,272
Kevin: don't know if it's the commitment
it takes to be a part of a TV show.

942
00:49:26,372 --> 00:49:29,072
It, it shows that like, I'm
not just here for paycheck.

943
00:49:29,172 --> 00:49:34,512
I'm gonna do the hard work being
on series, uh, speaks to the level

944
00:49:34,612 --> 00:49:38,112
of, you know, I'm known for my
movies, but I'm willing to do this

945
00:49:38,112 --> 00:49:39,592
because I think Star is worthy.

946
00:49:39,682 --> 00:49:40,312
Maybe that's

947
00:49:41,378 --> 00:49:41,858
Rob: I think so.

948
00:49:42,098 --> 00:49:43,658
I think that's a good way to look at it.

949
00:49:45,252 --> 00:49:48,912
Kevin: Uh, before we go this week, I had
one more bartender I wanted to throw in

950
00:49:48,912 --> 00:49:53,352
the mix when I hear the word bartender in
Star Trek, my mind immediately goes there.

951
00:49:53,692 --> 00:49:57,912
And that is the unnamed bartender on
Deep Space Station K-7 in The Trouble

952
00:49:57,912 --> 00:50:02,192
with Tribbles, and the beautiful little
clown scene he has right before the

953
00:50:02,292 --> 00:50:06,362
bar fight, when Cyrano Jones tries
to buy a drink by trading a tribble.

954
00:50:06,772 --> 00:50:08,212
And he goes a tribble.

955
00:50:08,832 --> 00:50:09,392
A tribble?

956
00:50:09,412 --> 00:50:11,342
And he just goes, A tribble.

957
00:50:11,362 --> 00:50:15,502
And he just starts putting tribbles
on tribble a tribble, know.

958
00:50:15,602 --> 00:50:19,902
And just, and the, the funny Star
Trek clown music is playing and

959
00:50:19,902 --> 00:50:22,982
he makes a big pile of tribbles
and then he, he just looks at him.

960
00:50:23,322 --> 00:50:29,197
And it's a, it's a unusual, silent,
mostly silent clown scene in the

961
00:50:29,197 --> 00:50:34,557
middle of a Star Trek episode that
is by itself unusual, but this, this

962
00:50:34,557 --> 00:50:38,437
was peak Star Trek is going somewhere
it doesn't normally go this moment.

963
00:50:39,097 --> 00:50:43,597
And, uh, the, the actor, was named
Guy Raymond and I looked it up today.

964
00:50:44,037 --> 00:50:48,117
Apparently he also played a bartender
in beer commercials around this

965
00:50:48,117 --> 00:50:52,362
time, in which he commented on the
strange occurrences in his bar.

966
00:50:52,502 --> 00:50:56,042
And so he was, he was typecast
as a bartender in a bar

967
00:50:56,042 --> 00:50:57,122
where strange things happen.

968
00:50:57,163 --> 00:51:00,623
Rob: But, um, with this particular
episode, he got to flex his muscles a bit

969
00:51:00,623 --> 00:51:03,103
more and show his, uh, clowning prowess.

970
00:51:03,652 --> 00:51:07,382
Kevin: Well, not that much 'cause
he was wearing a leather jacket.

971
00:51:07,682 --> 00:51:11,142
As, as all the civilians in this
episode, they were wearing colored

972
00:51:11,142 --> 00:51:17,222
leather jackets like I was the, the
imagined future civilian garb of the

973
00:51:17,288 --> 00:51:18,258
Rob: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

974
00:51:19,168 --> 00:51:21,018
That, that tracks, that tracks for me.

975
00:51:21,518 --> 00:51:26,498
Um, so yeah, that's, uh, our exploration
of the first two episodes of, uh,

976
00:51:26,498 --> 00:51:29,538
season three of Strange New Worlds.

977
00:51:29,538 --> 00:51:35,018
We are back and we had a little, uh,
exploration of, uh, how those wonderful

978
00:51:35,108 --> 00:51:38,938
bartenders, uh, make their way into
the hearts of not only the crew,

979
00:51:39,198 --> 00:51:40,698
but fans of Star Trek, everywhere.

980
00:51:41,062 --> 00:51:44,112
Kevin: It's good to be back and
it's good that the, with Less

981
00:51:44,142 --> 00:51:49,152
Star Trek on tv, the stuff we are
getting feels good, feels like high

982
00:51:49,938 --> 00:51:53,588
Rob: Well, yeah, we were, we were in, so
like we were in a good run for a while.

983
00:51:53,618 --> 00:51:58,308
Like we had discovery
prodigy, um, uh, Lower Decks.

984
00:51:58,308 --> 00:51:59,548
We were powering through.

985
00:51:59,848 --> 00:52:03,628
And then when we, when we finished
the most recent, I think last

986
00:52:03,628 --> 00:52:04,948
one we did was Lower Decks.

987
00:52:04,968 --> 00:52:08,508
We went, oh, right, well, um, yeah.

988
00:52:09,732 --> 00:52:10,312
Kevin: See you in six

989
00:52:10,458 --> 00:52:12,998
Rob: And then nothing,
like nothing at all.

990
00:52:12,998 --> 00:52:16,718
There's been, uh, uh, it, it's
been, it's been a wasteland,

991
00:52:16,738 --> 00:52:18,438
uh, in the Badlands as it were.

992
00:52:18,858 --> 00:52:22,358
Um, so yeah, and like you said
that we don't, not sure when, um,

993
00:52:22,428 --> 00:52:25,078
Star Trek, acade, uh, Starfleet
Academy is, is occurring.

994
00:52:25,498 --> 00:52:30,718
Um, so let's relish, um, the, the
remaining eight episodes we have to,

995
00:52:30,898 --> 00:52:35,798
to get through of, um, uh, you know,
at least the most consistently rated

996
00:52:35,938 --> 00:52:41,293
and from what I know on like Rotten
Tomatoes, it's the highest or, um,

997
00:52:41,293 --> 00:52:45,973
highest rated, like, uh, critics
response reviews, I think of the show.

998
00:52:46,142 --> 00:52:46,382
Kevin: Yeah.

999
00:52:46,382 --> 00:52:46,702
Great.

1000
00:52:46,702 --> 00:52:48,022
Well, I think it, it earns it.

1001
00:52:48,403 --> 00:52:48,693
Rob: Yeah.

1002
00:52:50,027 --> 00:52:50,327
Kevin: All right.

1003
00:52:50,327 --> 00:52:51,767
Well, I missed saying it, Rob.

1004
00:52:51,977 --> 00:52:53,687
Until next week, I'll see you around the

1005
00:52:53,913 --> 00:52:56,573
Rob: Cannot wait until we
go into another adventure.