WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:13.454 --> 00:00:17.054 Sam Acho: Welcome back to the Sam Acho podcast featuring Cliff 00:00:17.054 --> 00:00:22.064 Marshall, and we are so excited to bring to you another special guest. 00:00:22.574 --> 00:00:25.544 Clif Marshall: Absolutely Sam, I am so fired up today. 00:00:25.544 --> 00:00:26.894 We have my great friend. 00:00:27.539 --> 00:00:29.189 Ed Schilling with us. 00:00:29.579 --> 00:00:33.239 Ed is currently the head coach at Pepperdine University 00:00:33.539 --> 00:00:35.189 in Malibu, California. 00:00:35.489 --> 00:00:38.699 He's also been an assistant basketball coach with teams like 00:00:38.699 --> 00:00:45.869 UCLA Indiana, and he is also been at Memphis among other places. 00:00:46.199 --> 00:00:50.549 ed has trained and recruited some of the top players in the NBA, 00:00:50.849 --> 00:00:54.389 but more important than that, coach Schilling is a man of faith. 00:00:54.989 --> 00:00:57.449 He's a husband, he's a dad. 00:00:57.629 --> 00:01:00.869 He's been a mentor in my life and he is really helped me grow 00:01:00.869 --> 00:01:02.699 in my faith over the years. 00:01:03.059 --> 00:01:06.299 So Coach Schilling, thank you for your time today and thank you for 00:01:06.299 --> 00:01:07.949 being on the Sam Macho Podcast. 00:01:08.474 --> 00:01:09.404 Ed Schilling: Well, thank you. 00:01:09.404 --> 00:01:11.564 It's truly an honor to be with you, cliff. 00:01:11.564 --> 00:01:13.724 It's so good to see you again. 00:01:13.724 --> 00:01:17.954 And Sam, I've, I heard so much about you over the years with from Cliff when 00:01:17.954 --> 00:01:22.394 we were together at Indiana, and so I appreciate all that you're doing and it's 00:01:22.394 --> 00:01:24.074 a, it's an honor to be with you guys. 00:01:26.034 --> 00:01:30.224 Clif Marshall: Coach, I want to start out by just man telling you how humble you 00:01:30.224 --> 00:01:32.894 are because I've known you since 2017. 00:01:33.284 --> 00:01:36.824 We, again, as you mentioned, we worked together with the Indiana Hoosiers Men's 00:01:36.824 --> 00:01:41.324 Basketball Program, and as I was doing my research and reading up on you a 00:01:41.324 --> 00:01:47.084 little bit, I found out you were the all time leader in assist at Miami of Ohio. 00:01:48.079 --> 00:01:49.039 University. 00:01:49.189 --> 00:01:52.129 So not only are you a great coach, but at one point in time 00:01:52.129 --> 00:01:53.839 you were a great player as well. 00:01:54.169 --> 00:01:57.949 Who was the most influential coach you ever had in your life? 00:01:58.574 --> 00:02:02.834 Ed Schilling: Well, first of all with the assists, I happen to play with Ron Harper. 00:02:02.834 --> 00:02:04.244 If any, basketball people know he. 00:02:04.459 --> 00:02:04.909 Clif Marshall: Oh. 00:02:05.069 --> 00:02:08.489 Ed Schilling: He, he runs, three rings, I believe, at the, with the bulls 00:02:08.489 --> 00:02:10.234 and then a few more with the Lakers. 00:02:10.234 --> 00:02:14.164 So I figured out early in my career if I just threw it to harp, good things 00:02:14.164 --> 00:02:15.934 happen and I got a lot of assists. 00:02:15.934 --> 00:02:19.914 So, you know, he's the one that's, is to thank for all those assists. 00:02:19.914 --> 00:02:22.004 But, no, appreciate you saying that. 00:02:22.194 --> 00:02:25.609 you know, it's interesting, I played for quite a few coaches, but my high 00:02:25.609 --> 00:02:29.989 school coach at Lebanon High School in Lebanon, Indiana, Jim Rosen Steele. 00:02:30.729 --> 00:02:32.109 when I played for him, he was older. 00:02:32.109 --> 00:02:34.839 He coached a guy by the name of Rick Mount, who was the first 00:02:34.839 --> 00:02:37.689 high school athlete on the cover of Sports Illustrated. 00:02:37.989 --> 00:02:42.249 Had quite a few division one players, but, I transferred there my junior 00:02:42.249 --> 00:02:45.459 and senior year at high school for my junior and senior year. 00:02:45.459 --> 00:02:49.959 And the thing that kind of made him special is that you left every 00:02:49.959 --> 00:02:52.179 practice wanting to practice more. 00:02:52.459 --> 00:02:53.149 he was kind of. 00:02:53.579 --> 00:02:54.899 Had his own way of doing things. 00:02:54.899 --> 00:02:56.279 He was kind of old school. 00:02:56.279 --> 00:02:58.539 He was, a offensive genius. 00:02:58.539 --> 00:03:01.519 And, but he would say, you'd be going along, you're going 00:03:01.519 --> 00:03:02.719 for an hour and a half or so. 00:03:02.719 --> 00:03:05.179 And he'd say, all right, Eddie, go get you a shower. 00:03:05.509 --> 00:03:07.039 And then he'd say, send another player. 00:03:07.039 --> 00:03:08.209 Go get you a shower. 00:03:08.299 --> 00:03:09.319 And we'd like, no coach. 00:03:09.319 --> 00:03:10.519 Lemme go a little bit more. 00:03:10.519 --> 00:03:12.799 And, but he'd always leave you wanting more. 00:03:12.799 --> 00:03:13.204 So we'd be. 00:03:13.724 --> 00:03:14.234 He'd make it. 00:03:14.234 --> 00:03:15.704 Nah, you've had enough today. 00:03:15.754 --> 00:03:19.894 and so we'd go down and we'd be done showered and headed out, and there'd be 00:03:20.074 --> 00:03:22.234 a lot of guys still out there practicing. 00:03:22.234 --> 00:03:24.484 So, but that was just one example. 00:03:24.484 --> 00:03:28.474 But he was a guy that just every time practice ended the games, 00:03:28.654 --> 00:03:30.424 man, you just wanted to do it more. 00:03:30.474 --> 00:03:34.794 and he was a guy that really just fostered the love of the game in you. 00:03:35.014 --> 00:03:37.714 and he would coach you, he'd get on you when you needed to. 00:03:37.984 --> 00:03:39.544 But the other, but the bottom line is. 00:03:40.279 --> 00:03:42.559 You know, he was there for you when we played pickup games 00:03:42.559 --> 00:03:44.239 all summer at the Lebanon park. 00:03:44.449 --> 00:03:48.919 He'd sit there on the park bench and watch and, you know, he was just a, 00:03:48.949 --> 00:03:53.629 he was a player's coach, but he had a way of just bringing the best out 00:03:53.629 --> 00:03:55.599 of you and I came, went from there. 00:03:55.599 --> 00:03:57.189 And then I was fortunate to average. 00:03:57.464 --> 00:04:02.724 34 minutes a game as a freshman on an NCA tournament team at Miami, university. 00:04:02.724 --> 00:04:07.909 But a lot of it was just because of the confidence that he would instill in us. 00:04:07.909 --> 00:04:10.129 and his name was Jim Rosen Steel. 00:04:10.349 --> 00:04:14.369 but just a guy that, that brought the best out of you and always the 00:04:14.369 --> 00:04:16.109 end ever practice into every game. 00:04:16.109 --> 00:04:17.339 You just wanted to play more. 00:04:17.979 --> 00:04:19.419 Sam Acho: Wow, that's so good. 00:04:19.719 --> 00:04:23.709 Well, coach Schilling, now that you're the head coach at Pepperdine, how 00:04:23.709 --> 00:04:27.674 are you using your influence to help players both on and off the court? 00:04:28.899 --> 00:04:31.519 Ed Schilling: Well, I hope from a spiritual standpoint, and I'm 00:04:31.519 --> 00:04:34.549 fortunate, we're very blessed to be at a Christian university, 00:04:34.579 --> 00:04:36.469 Pepperdine's at Christian University. 00:04:36.889 --> 00:04:40.584 So we start every practice with, well, I get 'em, we huddle up, I'll make a 00:04:40.584 --> 00:04:45.134 few announcements, and then we pray before practice starts, every practice. 00:04:45.254 --> 00:04:48.204 And then, we also have chapel before every game. 00:04:48.204 --> 00:04:51.074 We have, I'm part of a group called Nations of Coaches. 00:04:51.274 --> 00:04:55.374 and so we have a team chaplain, we call 'em, character coaches around the country. 00:04:55.614 --> 00:04:56.029 And we're in about. 00:04:56.534 --> 00:05:01.754 Oh, I'd say 150 campuses now have a character coach for men's basketball. 00:05:02.054 --> 00:05:03.914 And so we, I have a chaplain. 00:05:03.914 --> 00:05:05.534 if he's not there then I might do it. 00:05:05.534 --> 00:05:07.994 But we always have a chapel before every game. 00:05:08.324 --> 00:05:10.814 But I think most of all, we wanna just make sure we're trying to 00:05:10.814 --> 00:05:13.394 set the best example that we can. 00:05:13.394 --> 00:05:18.654 One with our passion, our enthusiasm, also being prepared, coaching these 00:05:18.654 --> 00:05:20.814 guys up, but also coach 'em in a way. 00:05:21.069 --> 00:05:23.529 That we can be demanding without being demeaning. 00:05:23.769 --> 00:05:27.119 And so that's what we're trying to do on a daily BA basis is 00:05:27.119 --> 00:05:28.559 to try and set that example. 00:05:28.559 --> 00:05:31.769 As much as anything, I can say all I want, we can have all the great 00:05:31.769 --> 00:05:35.339 slogans all over the walls, but it's really what are we giving? 00:05:35.339 --> 00:05:35.629 What are we. 00:05:36.079 --> 00:05:38.419 What are we bringing to, to practice every day? 00:05:38.419 --> 00:05:39.919 What are we bringing to the games? 00:05:40.249 --> 00:05:44.359 What are we bringing in a text message to a player at night after a tough game? 00:05:44.359 --> 00:05:48.439 What, you know, those are the things that we're trying to do to make an impact. 00:05:48.739 --> 00:05:51.829 And I've been doing this long enough that I don't need to climb 00:05:51.829 --> 00:05:53.539 any ladders or do anything else. 00:05:53.539 --> 00:05:54.169 I'm just trying to. 00:05:54.364 --> 00:05:58.114 do the best I can to make these players in this program the best it 00:05:58.114 --> 00:06:02.074 can be, but also trying to make a difference in these guys eternally. 00:06:02.374 --> 00:06:06.064 And, you know, if I could open up a saw, open their head and 00:06:06.064 --> 00:06:08.914 pour the Bible in, I would, but it doesn't really work that way. 00:06:08.914 --> 00:06:13.204 So what we wanna try to do is just try to be the best example that we can. 00:06:13.484 --> 00:06:17.174 praying with them, praying for 'em, and then also making sure 00:06:17.174 --> 00:06:18.674 that they do hear the word. 00:06:19.369 --> 00:06:24.019 Then the, we trust the Holy Spirit to take that word and make sure, and we 00:06:24.019 --> 00:06:25.759 know that it'll never come back void. 00:06:25.759 --> 00:06:28.199 So, that's kinda a short answer. 00:06:30.549 --> 00:06:31.239 Clif Marshall: That's great. 00:06:31.239 --> 00:06:31.629 Coach. 00:06:31.629 --> 00:06:35.299 I wanted to ask you, About an experience you had at Indiana University when 00:06:35.299 --> 00:06:37.699 you and I were there together in 2018. 00:06:38.299 --> 00:06:40.009 I helped you clean your locker out. 00:06:40.069 --> 00:06:44.029 you we're gonna move on no longer be with the Indiana Hoosiers. 00:06:44.029 --> 00:06:49.389 And I watched you experience that and helped you pack your stuff to, to your 00:06:49.389 --> 00:06:51.369 car and clean your office out and. 00:06:52.314 --> 00:06:55.494 I always look back on that moment and actually there was a student manager 00:06:55.494 --> 00:07:00.024 who saw you and I that evening and he took a picture of us and we were praying 00:07:00.024 --> 00:07:03.624 together in the parking lot after you had cleaned all your stuff out. 00:07:04.224 --> 00:07:06.734 And I still have that photo and. 00:07:07.814 --> 00:07:12.434 This year, I found out in 2025 I wouldn't be returning to the Indiana 00:07:12.434 --> 00:07:13.994 Hoosier Men's basketball program. 00:07:13.994 --> 00:07:17.984 And I reflected on how you handled that situation. 00:07:18.704 --> 00:07:24.924 You handled it with faith and you, just showed me that you had total trust in God. 00:07:25.434 --> 00:07:29.934 I want to know, number one, where does that faith come from? 00:07:29.964 --> 00:07:34.944 And number two, I want to know what you learned from that situation. 00:07:35.484 --> 00:07:36.324 Ed Schilling: Well that's great. 00:07:36.324 --> 00:07:38.004 I appreciate you sharing that Cliff. 00:07:38.084 --> 00:07:40.064 well, you know, it's never easy. 00:07:40.064 --> 00:07:44.054 You know, you say I'm moving on, but you're getting fired no matter what. 00:07:44.474 --> 00:07:45.854 What the situation is. 00:07:45.854 --> 00:07:48.044 and you know what, if you've been in coaching long enough, 00:07:48.044 --> 00:07:49.094 you're gonna get fired. 00:07:49.094 --> 00:07:51.404 If you're an athlete, they're gonna come a time where they're 00:07:51.404 --> 00:07:54.584 gonna bring you in and say, Hey, we're going a different direction. 00:07:54.584 --> 00:07:55.634 We're going with somebody else. 00:07:55.634 --> 00:07:58.274 So it's gonna happen to everybody at some point. 00:07:58.634 --> 00:08:03.654 And, you know, I just trust in Romans 8:28 that God's gonna work all things 00:08:03.654 --> 00:08:08.204 for good, for those who love him, and are called according to his purposes. 00:08:08.204 --> 00:08:08.714 And so. 00:08:09.104 --> 00:08:12.314 You know, whether I'm getting fired at Indiana or I'm getting hired 00:08:12.314 --> 00:08:13.544 as a head coach of Pepperdine. 00:08:14.249 --> 00:08:16.709 God's gonna use it for good, for his good. 00:08:16.709 --> 00:08:21.599 It may not be for my ease and my comfort, but he's going to use it for a great good. 00:08:21.649 --> 00:08:25.429 and even through that Indiana situation, we may talk about it later. 00:08:25.729 --> 00:08:29.509 God really did use that for good and in, in ways that. 00:08:30.279 --> 00:08:34.539 I did not, you may not see it right then, but you just have to trust that 00:08:34.539 --> 00:08:37.239 God is gonna use it for good and okay. 00:08:37.299 --> 00:08:40.449 This isn't what I'd have drawn my, my, if I was drawing it up. 00:08:40.449 --> 00:08:44.259 I wouldn't have drawn it up that way, but that's how the Lord drew it up and 00:08:44.259 --> 00:08:46.389 I had to just trust that, you know what? 00:08:46.959 --> 00:08:51.219 he can see the end from the beginning and that's ultimately what we have to do. 00:08:51.219 --> 00:08:55.169 And whether we're winning championships and cutting down nets or whatever 00:08:55.259 --> 00:08:59.099 the confetti falling down, the bottom line is we just gotta trust 00:08:59.099 --> 00:09:00.599 that God's gonna use it for good. 00:09:00.629 --> 00:09:01.949 Even the tough things. 00:09:02.189 --> 00:09:05.159 The tough things from injuries to firings to. 00:09:05.764 --> 00:09:08.254 You know, stuff that man, you're like, how could that be good? 00:09:08.254 --> 00:09:12.964 Well, in, in and of itself may not be good, but God is going to use it for good. 00:09:13.234 --> 00:09:17.644 And I think the Indiana situation, God really did use it for good. 00:09:17.694 --> 00:09:22.824 and by grace he was able to give me a mindset to trust that, you 00:09:22.824 --> 00:09:26.304 know, I, you know, sometimes you just, the Lord just comes upon you. 00:09:26.304 --> 00:09:27.684 You just feel like, okay. 00:09:27.724 --> 00:09:28.804 It's gonna be fine. 00:09:29.224 --> 00:09:33.694 And in that case it certainly did, and I think in your case it's gonna be the same. 00:09:33.694 --> 00:09:36.974 You're gonna impact even more people, in this next chapter. 00:09:37.464 --> 00:09:38.184 Clif Marshall: Amen. 00:09:38.369 --> 00:09:38.589 Wow. 00:09:41.019 --> 00:09:43.339 Sam Acho: coach, I want to park there for a second. 00:09:43.354 --> 00:09:47.024 you mentioned the Indiana situation and that God worked it out for good. 00:09:47.024 --> 00:09:48.434 I want to ask you how. 00:09:48.854 --> 00:09:50.474 Specifically, you said, oh, we may get into it. 00:09:50.474 --> 00:09:51.764 I'd love just to get into it now. 00:09:51.764 --> 00:09:56.624 How did God specifically work out you getting fired for good. 00:09:57.614 --> 00:10:01.074 Ed Schilling: Well, I had only been to Indiana for two years and I, I. 00:10:01.459 --> 00:10:05.989 One of the main reasons that I left UCLA to go to Indiana was because my 00:10:05.989 --> 00:10:10.429 dad was not doing well physically, and I'm an only child, and my parents lived 00:10:10.429 --> 00:10:14.149 in Indiana, you know, still lived in Lebanon, Indiana, which wasn't far, 00:10:14.199 --> 00:10:16.389 wasn't too far from Bloomington, Indiana. 00:10:16.389 --> 00:10:21.249 And so my dad wasn't doing well, and I got released, I got let go, but I was 00:10:21.249 --> 00:10:23.379 still gonna getting paid for another year. 00:10:23.769 --> 00:10:26.439 And so what I was able to do is. 00:10:26.814 --> 00:10:31.674 Spend incredible amount of time with my family, but also I was able to see my dad 00:10:31.674 --> 00:10:37.104 every single week for the next year or so when it was the last year of his life. 00:10:37.104 --> 00:10:38.784 And my dad and I were really close. 00:10:38.784 --> 00:10:42.294 I mean, again, my dad was a, you know, he was a basketball coach, 00:10:42.294 --> 00:10:43.614 he was an athletic director. 00:10:43.614 --> 00:10:47.814 He played some professional basketball, and so we were really close. 00:10:47.814 --> 00:10:51.744 And so to be able to be with him in that last year or so, 00:10:51.744 --> 00:10:53.544 and also to be with my mom. 00:10:53.709 --> 00:10:58.569 To help her through everything, and as an only child man to be able to be there 00:10:58.569 --> 00:11:01.389 for my mom, but also to be with my dad. 00:11:01.389 --> 00:11:05.889 Those last, and it was a hard year for him, physically going through 00:11:05.889 --> 00:11:07.779 cancer, going through this and that. 00:11:08.019 --> 00:11:12.309 So I, God just basically said, you know what, we're gonna meet all your needs. 00:11:12.339 --> 00:11:16.059 We're going, the paychecks are gonna keep coming in, but you're gonna 00:11:16.059 --> 00:11:18.219 go get to see your dad every week. 00:11:18.219 --> 00:11:20.949 You're gonna be there to help your mom through all the different 00:11:20.949 --> 00:11:21.819 things, moving them from. 00:11:22.289 --> 00:11:26.279 The hospital to a nursing home, back into the hospital. 00:11:26.549 --> 00:11:30.149 But I was able to be there for her, but be there for him. 00:11:30.269 --> 00:11:35.939 And then also it gave me a year to just really dive into my family and making, 00:11:35.939 --> 00:11:39.419 you know, I was dropping 'em off at school every day and being there with him. 00:11:39.419 --> 00:11:43.439 And so God really just did an amazing thing and, you know. 00:11:43.744 --> 00:11:46.549 You, you could look at it and say, man, you got fired and you're driving 00:11:46.549 --> 00:11:50.359 around Bloomington, which we all know is everybody knows everything about 00:11:50.359 --> 00:11:54.619 Indiana basketball, but the bottom line is, I got to do something. 00:11:55.129 --> 00:11:56.224 That I could. 00:11:56.434 --> 00:11:59.374 I mean, how could you ever, if I'm coaching at Indiana, I might 00:11:59.374 --> 00:12:03.364 have been able to see my dad once, maybe every month here. 00:12:03.364 --> 00:12:04.864 I got to see him every week. 00:12:04.864 --> 00:12:05.284 I was there. 00:12:05.284 --> 00:12:06.514 My mom needed something. 00:12:06.754 --> 00:12:07.834 Boom, I was there. 00:12:07.864 --> 00:12:10.594 I remember one time my mom called your dad's falling. 00:12:11.114 --> 00:12:15.464 I can't, we gotta get, and so I, boom, I was able to drive down there and help, you 00:12:15.464 --> 00:12:19.664 know, go get him and help him up and help, you know, just all those kind of things 00:12:19.844 --> 00:12:21.884 that I never could have done otherwise. 00:12:21.884 --> 00:12:28.154 So God really did an amazing, just a such so gra, so gracious and merciful 00:12:28.214 --> 00:12:33.464 to me by letting me get, go get fired so that I could be there during 00:12:33.464 --> 00:12:36.734 that and I'll never, you know, I cherish that year more than anything. 00:12:38.414 --> 00:12:38.444 Okay. 00:12:39.104 --> 00:12:40.114 Clif Marshall: Amazing coach. 00:12:40.114 --> 00:12:44.404 Shortly thereafter, you got hired as an assistant coach at Grand Canyon University 00:12:44.404 --> 00:12:47.049 in Phoenix, Arizona, and, you guys had a. 00:12:47.429 --> 00:12:48.959 Incredible run there. 00:12:49.139 --> 00:12:52.949 And obviously just this last year, you finished up your first season 00:12:52.949 --> 00:12:55.529 as the head coach at Pepperdine. 00:12:55.889 --> 00:13:02.789 I wanted to ask you, as a head coach, as a husband, and as a father, how do you 00:13:02.789 --> 00:13:05.099 manage wearing all three of those hats? 00:13:06.364 --> 00:13:09.334 Ed Schilling: Well, first of all, one, I think you have to be present 00:13:09.334 --> 00:13:10.834 wherever you, your feet are. 00:13:11.164 --> 00:13:14.434 You know, if you're at the office, man, I want to be locked in. 00:13:14.434 --> 00:13:17.224 I wanna be, be locked in on practice. 00:13:17.224 --> 00:13:19.084 I wanna be, you know, whatever that is. 00:13:19.084 --> 00:13:19.744 But when I'm home. 00:13:20.629 --> 00:13:22.069 I don't want to be at practice. 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:25.239 You know, I wanna be able to be able to step, just like we talk 00:13:25.239 --> 00:13:28.959 about in basketball when you're a player, or Sam if you're football. 00:13:28.959 --> 00:13:32.259 When you step across that, the line, you gotta be ready to play. 00:13:32.259 --> 00:13:34.959 No matter what's happened or what's gonna happen after, you gotta 00:13:34.959 --> 00:13:36.489 be able to step across the line. 00:13:36.489 --> 00:13:40.024 And I wanna make sure that when I'm at home, I'm at home. 00:13:40.369 --> 00:13:41.959 You know, and so that's one thing. 00:13:41.959 --> 00:13:47.069 But then also the blessing of being a head coach is my kids can come be in my office. 00:13:47.119 --> 00:13:50.769 my youngest daughter loves sitting on the couch, putting her feet up and 00:13:50.769 --> 00:13:54.759 hanging out in the office and going and getting into the snacks and all that. 00:13:54.759 --> 00:13:55.659 She loves that. 00:13:55.839 --> 00:13:58.449 And then they can come to practice anytime they want. 00:13:58.449 --> 00:14:00.069 They can run around on the court. 00:14:00.339 --> 00:14:02.679 And so they're always welcome at practice. 00:14:02.729 --> 00:14:03.999 and I want 'em to come by. 00:14:04.984 --> 00:14:07.214 And so April, my wife, she'll bring him by practice. 00:14:07.214 --> 00:14:09.824 She'll, they'll drop 'em, they'll be here in the office. 00:14:09.874 --> 00:14:13.594 and so you know what the, that I remember early in the career you 00:14:13.594 --> 00:14:15.514 think this is so, so important. 00:14:15.514 --> 00:14:19.474 And this is, they're nothing important, more important than them kids running 00:14:19.474 --> 00:14:20.749 around the office and on the floor. 00:14:21.374 --> 00:14:21.664 Yeah. 00:14:21.849 --> 00:14:26.259 And ultimately I think it's a good example for our players to one, be able 00:14:26.309 --> 00:14:28.979 to see that man, this is their priority. 00:14:28.979 --> 00:14:33.719 This is the priority is yeah, my fate, but my family is a priority to me, and 00:14:33.719 --> 00:14:38.469 as much as I'm ex, I want 'em to make jump shots and get stops on defense. 00:14:38.619 --> 00:14:42.199 What I really want is I wanna make sure this my daughters feel loved and 00:14:42.199 --> 00:14:43.729 they know that they're seen and that. 00:14:44.169 --> 00:14:47.949 I'm excited to see 'em and they are welcome not only at home 00:14:47.949 --> 00:14:49.719 into our living room or bed. 00:14:49.959 --> 00:14:51.609 They're welcome here in my office. 00:14:51.609 --> 00:14:53.469 They're welcome on the court as well. 00:14:53.769 --> 00:14:56.989 So that's one of the ways that, that we wanna make sure 00:14:56.989 --> 00:14:58.639 that, man, this is important. 00:14:58.639 --> 00:15:01.729 And yeah, we'll have to do recruiting and we go away for road trips. 00:15:01.729 --> 00:15:05.419 But, you know, we, the great thing too is with technology, we can get 00:15:05.419 --> 00:15:09.069 to FaceTime in the hotel, we can do all that stuff, but when we're 00:15:09.069 --> 00:15:10.689 home, I wanna make sure I'm home. 00:15:10.689 --> 00:15:11.509 And they know that. 00:15:11.754 --> 00:15:13.674 Dad's home, but he's still in the office. 00:15:13.674 --> 00:15:14.724 No, I don't want that. 00:15:14.904 --> 00:15:17.574 You know, I want him to know I am home with them. 00:15:17.874 --> 00:15:20.554 So that's a, that, those are some of the ways. 00:15:22.689 --> 00:15:23.349 Sam Acho: That's so good. 00:15:23.349 --> 00:15:25.569 And coach, you might hear some of my little ones in the background 'cause 00:15:25.569 --> 00:15:31.509 I'm home, but in the office, but I'm listening and I, this is so good because 00:15:31.509 --> 00:15:35.379 so often we talk on this podcast about faith and about family and football and 00:15:35.379 --> 00:15:37.719 finances and football, basketball, track. 00:15:37.719 --> 00:15:40.389 We talk about a bunch of different sports, baseball, but it's 00:15:40.389 --> 00:15:42.639 almost like you're prioritizing. 00:15:42.939 --> 00:15:45.789 Not necessarily your work, but it sounds like it's faith, 00:15:46.059 --> 00:15:48.519 it's family, then it's my work. 00:15:48.519 --> 00:15:51.519 And it sounds like you get a chance to compound that a little bit. 00:15:51.519 --> 00:15:53.769 Can you share more on, on how that works? 00:15:54.399 --> 00:15:55.269 Ed Schilling: Yeah, sure. 00:15:55.599 --> 00:15:55.959 Yeah. 00:15:55.959 --> 00:15:56.499 it's true. 00:15:56.499 --> 00:15:59.409 and you want them to be part of your work if you can. 00:15:59.689 --> 00:16:02.449 you know, for example, when we have a recruiting visit, I'll take 00:16:02.449 --> 00:16:05.059 one of my daughters with me out to eat, and now she feels like 00:16:05.059 --> 00:16:06.949 she's recruiting, you know, she's. 00:16:07.359 --> 00:16:11.409 she's 10 years old and she's making a, you know, drawing something up, you know, 00:16:11.409 --> 00:16:15.399 come to Pepperdine and handing them, so they'll ju they'll come to, on the 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:19.829 recruiting visits, you know, they're, they can jump in and, so, you know, little 00:16:19.829 --> 00:16:23.209 things like that, you know, and they come, they're making stuff, I'm putting 00:16:23.209 --> 00:16:25.399 it up in my office and things like that. 00:16:25.399 --> 00:16:29.029 So again, I want them to feel like they're a part of it. 00:16:29.254 --> 00:16:32.764 You know, just like I want to be part of what's going on for them in school. 00:16:32.974 --> 00:16:36.474 Just like I, you know, I want them to be, Hey, they're, you're part 00:16:36.474 --> 00:16:38.484 of this basketball program now. 00:16:38.484 --> 00:16:42.774 They're not living and dying on Oh, we're, you know, now they do cry after if we 00:16:42.774 --> 00:16:46.149 lose, but I don't want it to be like that. 00:16:46.154 --> 00:16:50.754 I want them to feel like, man, I'm part of this, I'm part of the program. 00:16:50.754 --> 00:16:51.444 This is it. 00:16:51.444 --> 00:16:54.864 And you know, we're, when we pray at night, we might pray for the 00:16:54.864 --> 00:16:58.734 game coming up, or we might pray for this player or that player, because 00:16:58.734 --> 00:17:00.594 that's part of our life, just like. 00:17:00.809 --> 00:17:04.289 It's important for them at school to, you know, something's going 00:17:04.289 --> 00:17:07.379 on at school, we're going to talk about it, we're gonna pray about it. 00:17:07.379 --> 00:17:10.469 This is a challenge that it's, you know, there's gonna be challenge. 00:17:10.469 --> 00:17:11.969 There's challenges at Pepperdine. 00:17:11.969 --> 00:17:14.489 We've lost a lot of games this past year. 00:17:14.969 --> 00:17:16.169 Well, how did I handle it? 00:17:16.194 --> 00:17:17.679 It, you know, how are we handling? 00:17:17.679 --> 00:17:19.614 Am I coming home and don't talk to 'em? 00:17:19.614 --> 00:17:20.804 Daddy lost no. 00:17:20.804 --> 00:17:24.494 They, I want them, they may see I'm disappointed or whatever, but 00:17:24.494 --> 00:17:26.054 we wanna make sure we're real. 00:17:26.084 --> 00:17:27.674 That we're saying, Hey, you know what? 00:17:27.944 --> 00:17:32.294 We can have, we can get beat, we can have a setback, but yet it's not gonna, 00:17:32.474 --> 00:17:35.804 that doesn't give me a license to not be. 00:17:36.719 --> 00:17:40.474 Kind to my kids that I'm not gonna be kind to my wife, you know? 00:17:40.474 --> 00:17:44.944 So I want them to see that no matter if good things or bad things happen, 00:17:45.334 --> 00:17:49.384 that they know that dad's still gonna be dad and he's still, you know, I want 00:17:49.384 --> 00:17:51.424 them to see that and I think sometimes. 00:17:51.779 --> 00:17:54.449 You know, coaches, we can get carried away with this and 00:17:54.449 --> 00:17:56.669 think, well, I lost it and game. 00:17:56.669 --> 00:17:57.689 And so don't talk to 'em. 00:17:57.739 --> 00:17:58.069 no. 00:17:58.249 --> 00:17:59.719 We're in this thing together. 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:03.859 And you know, if it didn't go well, well, okay, we gotta, sometimes 00:18:03.859 --> 00:18:05.239 you win, sometimes you learn. 00:18:05.239 --> 00:18:08.859 We gotta learn and here's how, and hopefully we're setting some examples of 00:18:08.859 --> 00:18:14.169 how to handle adversity and then also how to handle success and bringing people in. 00:18:14.624 --> 00:18:17.894 We are successful, that it's not just, Hey, look at me. 00:18:17.924 --> 00:18:21.104 No, it's look at us and hey, we got to do this. 00:18:21.104 --> 00:18:21.764 Isn't this great? 00:18:21.814 --> 00:18:22.564 this is fun. 00:18:22.564 --> 00:18:25.774 We're enjoying it, and if we lose, man, what could we have done better? 00:18:25.774 --> 00:18:28.894 We just gotta go practice harder and we need to get better at this, and we 00:18:28.894 --> 00:18:30.814 need, you know, so that they're into it. 00:18:30.814 --> 00:18:31.354 They know. 00:18:31.594 --> 00:18:32.824 They know what's going on. 00:18:35.389 --> 00:18:36.619 Clif Marshall: That's great, coach. 00:18:36.679 --> 00:18:40.789 I tell you as an encouragement, keep your family involved because 00:18:40.789 --> 00:18:45.859 Sam Acho told his college football coach on our podcast just recently. 00:18:46.249 --> 00:18:51.054 The reason he committed to Mac Brown and the Texas Longhorns was because on 00:18:51.319 --> 00:18:56.589 his official visit, he saw the family atmosphere, how Mack, coach Mac Brown 00:18:56.589 --> 00:18:58.744 had his family around in the office. 00:18:59.474 --> 00:19:02.204 And I think there's a lot of coaches who talk about family, 00:19:02.594 --> 00:19:04.244 but don't necessarily live it out. 00:19:04.244 --> 00:19:08.324 And I just love the fact that you have your wife and kids involved, and I 00:19:08.324 --> 00:19:11.774 know that your players at Pepperdine, they appreciate that as well. 00:19:12.294 --> 00:19:17.024 I wanted to ask you, I, I mentioned to start the podcast, you had a great impact 00:19:17.024 --> 00:19:19.004 on my life and on my faith journey. 00:19:19.524 --> 00:19:22.044 in 2018, you gave me a devotional book. 00:19:22.044 --> 00:19:23.154 I've got it right here. 00:19:23.779 --> 00:19:23.839 Ed Schilling: You 00:19:23.989 --> 00:19:24.979 Clif Marshall: everybody to see. 00:19:25.609 --> 00:19:27.769 I mean, this thing has been through it. 00:19:27.769 --> 00:19:30.769 It's experiencing God day by day, the devotional. 00:19:32.674 --> 00:19:38.494 and journal by Henry Blackaby, and when I open it up, there are so many 00:19:38.494 --> 00:19:41.514 notes and there's highlights and there's things that I've written 00:19:41.514 --> 00:19:46.904 down over the years, man of pain and heartache and great success though. 00:19:47.294 --> 00:19:50.654 But as I look back on it, I'm reminded of God's faithfulness 00:19:50.654 --> 00:19:54.764 and that's why I journal in this thing every single day since 2018. 00:19:55.154 --> 00:19:59.594 But I often remember you giving this to me, and now I give it 00:19:59.594 --> 00:20:01.124 to the athletes that I train. 00:20:01.154 --> 00:20:03.014 I like for them to have this same book. 00:20:03.314 --> 00:20:06.254 So I want to ask you, and I know you've read a ton of books. 00:20:06.254 --> 00:20:10.544 I remember going in your office and your bookshelf had the best books. 00:20:10.604 --> 00:20:14.064 I want to know what is the greatest book, that you've 00:20:14.064 --> 00:20:16.254 read, and how did it impact you? 00:20:16.949 --> 00:20:20.189 Ed Schilling: Well obviously the Bible will take that out 'cause 00:20:20.189 --> 00:20:22.059 there is no, greater than that. 00:20:22.059 --> 00:20:27.219 But, there was a book I, it is called, God Minute for Good by RT Kendall. 00:20:27.339 --> 00:20:32.169 Now it was one that somebody gave me when I got let go at Wright State University. 00:20:32.169 --> 00:20:32.559 I was the. 00:20:33.114 --> 00:20:37.314 I guess the, I was the youngest assistant coach in the NBA when I was with the Nets. 00:20:37.404 --> 00:20:40.644 And then I was the second youngest division one coach 00:20:40.694 --> 00:20:42.074 at Wright State University. 00:20:42.074 --> 00:20:45.794 And we were in the same conference with Butler and you know, those schools. 00:20:46.064 --> 00:20:51.464 And I had six years and, you know, had a good run but got let go and somebody gave 00:20:51.464 --> 00:20:54.644 me that book and I read it and it really. 00:20:55.389 --> 00:21:01.069 really ministered to me and it's about the life of Joseph and man, I'll tell you, if 00:21:01.069 --> 00:21:06.849 you ever have somebody that gets fired or has a really tough, something happened, 00:21:07.089 --> 00:21:11.499 man, there, that is, that was the most impactful book I've since given it to. 00:21:12.334 --> 00:21:15.214 I've given it away to many people over the years. 00:21:15.214 --> 00:21:19.324 I'll just order it up and have it sent out because it's a really good one. 00:21:19.324 --> 00:21:23.444 And it's about the life of Joseph and as you, you know, his life, that 00:21:23.474 --> 00:21:27.874 man, he was gonna be, he was gonna be this, star, so to speak, and, 00:21:27.904 --> 00:21:30.064 but has a whole lot of hard times. 00:21:30.594 --> 00:21:35.254 Unjustly accused, thrown in jail, this, that, and yet he, he stays 00:21:35.254 --> 00:21:37.974 faithful and, doesn't hold a grudge. 00:21:37.974 --> 00:21:41.699 And he, and it just takes you through the whole progression and a lot of 00:21:41.699 --> 00:21:45.509 things that you don't even realize when I was, you know, we know the story and 00:21:45.509 --> 00:21:47.039 you've read, I've read it many times. 00:21:47.039 --> 00:21:49.859 I've read through the Bible every year for the last, I don't 00:21:49.859 --> 00:21:52.679 know, 25 years Bible in a year. 00:21:52.919 --> 00:21:54.429 And, but there's things that. 00:21:54.444 --> 00:21:56.874 Man, that book just really brought to light. 00:21:57.174 --> 00:22:00.704 And when you're going through something like that book really ministered to me, 00:22:00.704 --> 00:22:06.204 probably unlike any other book, that one did, God Meant It For Good by RT Kendall. 00:22:07.919 --> 00:22:08.979 Sam Acho: That's so good. 00:22:09.399 --> 00:22:14.634 Coach, you have a story about a time that you worked with Kobe Bryant. 00:22:16.014 --> 00:22:17.484 I'd love to hear that story. 00:22:17.484 --> 00:22:18.357 What happened, in 00:22:18.357 --> 00:22:18.444 your experience 00:22:18.444 --> 00:22:18.734 Ed Schilling: Okay. 00:22:19.034 --> 00:22:19.424 Sam Acho: with Kobe? 00:22:20.084 --> 00:22:22.914 Ed Schilling: Well, I mentioned I was one of the youngest, I was 00:22:22.914 --> 00:22:26.004 the youngest coaching assistant coach in the NBA at the time. 00:22:26.274 --> 00:22:31.074 And so I had just gone from high school coach in Indiana at Logan Sport 00:22:31.074 --> 00:22:33.234 High School to an assistant at UMass. 00:22:33.234 --> 00:22:36.634 When we went to the Final Four, with, I was assistant with John Cala 00:22:36.634 --> 00:22:40.874 Perry, and we had, Marcus can be on that team and then I went and was 00:22:40.874 --> 00:22:42.524 an assistant coach for the Nets. 00:22:42.524 --> 00:22:45.194 So in 310 days I went from high school. 00:22:45.269 --> 00:22:47.449 To college to the NBA. 00:22:47.449 --> 00:22:51.779 And so, you know, we got the job right after our, final four run 00:22:51.779 --> 00:22:53.399 and all that, the seasons ended. 00:22:53.449 --> 00:22:55.969 and Coach Cal asked me to be his assistant. 00:22:56.019 --> 00:22:57.969 and so, you know, here we go. 00:22:57.969 --> 00:22:59.739 And it's not like today where they have like. 00:23:00.264 --> 00:23:03.414 20 assistant coaches behind the bin I mean, there, there was 00:23:03.414 --> 00:23:04.764 like, you get three assistants. 00:23:04.764 --> 00:23:05.184 That's it. 00:23:05.424 --> 00:23:06.804 And you guys are doing it all. 00:23:07.134 --> 00:23:09.474 So one of the things that we would do is obviously we were 00:23:09.474 --> 00:23:13.439 getting ready for the draft and so we would go and work guys out. 00:23:13.709 --> 00:23:16.439 You know, we had the seventh pick in the draft that year. 00:23:16.799 --> 00:23:20.729 And so we'd go pick 'em up at the airport and usually have dinner with 00:23:20.729 --> 00:23:23.099 them and then we'd work out the next day. 00:23:23.369 --> 00:23:27.649 And, so this particular time I went and it was a kid going right from high school. 00:23:28.129 --> 00:23:33.114 To the NBA and again, it wasn't the, we didn't know him like LeBron coming out, 00:23:33.174 --> 00:23:34.614 you know, he wasn't quite like that. 00:23:34.614 --> 00:23:36.234 He was a McDonald's all American. 00:23:36.774 --> 00:23:38.634 But he wasn't a household name. 00:23:38.754 --> 00:23:42.534 Like, you know, now there's so much more with social media and stuff 00:23:42.534 --> 00:23:45.954 that people kind of, they know about everybody, but then it was 00:23:45.954 --> 00:23:47.664 like, okay, he's a high school kid. 00:23:47.664 --> 00:23:51.324 Well shoot less than a, just about less than a year ago. 00:23:51.909 --> 00:23:54.639 That was my guys I was working with at Logan Sport High School. 00:23:54.639 --> 00:23:56.859 So hey, he's just another high school kid to me. 00:23:57.099 --> 00:24:01.359 So we went and had dinner and when the GM was eating with us, aki, he 00:24:01.359 --> 00:24:02.919 was real kind of quiet and all that. 00:24:02.919 --> 00:24:07.619 Well the GM then left and we were chopping it up and hanging out and so the next 00:24:07.619 --> 00:24:11.329 morning we get up and we work out and Coach Cow and I are working them out. 00:24:11.839 --> 00:24:12.949 You know, he was good. 00:24:12.979 --> 00:24:14.599 I mean, he's like, you know, come off. 00:24:14.779 --> 00:24:19.159 We'd put him through a whole series of stuff and usually after about 40 minutes 00:24:19.159 --> 00:24:21.139 when it's just one player, they're dying. 00:24:21.139 --> 00:24:24.739 They're looking at the clock like, yo man, is this almost done? 00:24:24.789 --> 00:24:28.649 and, but this guy, I mean, he was going, I mean, he was, you know, 00:24:28.649 --> 00:24:32.369 whether it was shooting drills, coming off, making shots back, 00:24:32.369 --> 00:24:36.989 cutting, dunking, everyone transition drills running as running, like. 00:24:37.624 --> 00:24:40.384 You can then back in the day, I was still could play a little bit. 00:24:40.384 --> 00:24:44.044 So we'd go from half court and he'd guard you, and he looked kind of thin, 00:24:44.044 --> 00:24:46.324 but he was pretty, he was wiry strong. 00:24:46.324 --> 00:24:49.054 And so it was like, wow, this kid's pretty good. 00:24:49.054 --> 00:24:52.984 And so we'd go for about 45 minutes, almost an hour. 00:24:52.984 --> 00:24:55.294 And finally Coach Cal's like, all right, that's good. 00:24:55.324 --> 00:24:56.974 Hey, we'll be in touch with your agent. 00:24:57.064 --> 00:24:57.844 All right, we'll see you. 00:24:57.844 --> 00:24:59.164 And so he left. 00:24:59.164 --> 00:25:01.144 And so I'm scooping up the balls. 00:25:01.144 --> 00:25:03.664 You know, it's a little bit more sophisticated nowadays. 00:25:03.959 --> 00:25:07.679 and the kid, and he taps me on the shoulder and he says, Hey, can you show me 00:25:07.679 --> 00:25:09.329 some more of those drills we were doing? 00:25:09.929 --> 00:25:10.739 I'm like, sure. 00:25:11.069 --> 00:25:13.769 So we go and it's just the two of us in the gym now. 00:25:14.649 --> 00:25:19.689 And we're going through stuff and it's 5 minutes, 10 minutes, 15, 20 again. 00:25:19.689 --> 00:25:23.829 Now we've already gone through a crazy hard workout where we try to almost 00:25:23.829 --> 00:25:25.749 break 'em to see how hard they'll go. 00:25:26.049 --> 00:25:28.269 And so we just, we keep going. 00:25:28.269 --> 00:25:30.879 It's 30 minutes, 35, and we're still going. 00:25:30.879 --> 00:25:35.379 We're going hard sweat's, pouring, we're going and we're both into it. 00:25:35.649 --> 00:25:38.439 Finally, I look, I'm like, oh shoot, you got a flight to catch? 00:25:38.709 --> 00:25:41.889 You know, we've gone about 40 minutes and I'm like, go shower. 00:25:41.889 --> 00:25:42.699 We gotta go. 00:25:42.934 --> 00:25:46.444 And, so I, as he's going in the shower, I'm calling Coach Cal and I'm like, 00:25:46.444 --> 00:25:49.174 coach man, this kid's gonna be special. 00:25:49.174 --> 00:25:51.274 He goes, yeah, did you see how he shot the ball? 00:25:51.784 --> 00:25:52.654 And I said, forget it. 00:25:52.654 --> 00:25:54.334 That's not what's gonna make him special. 00:25:54.634 --> 00:25:56.074 He said, yeah, you're right. 00:25:56.104 --> 00:25:57.234 How about how he ran that? 00:25:57.294 --> 00:25:58.614 I said, that's not it. 00:25:58.614 --> 00:26:00.654 he goes, well, you talking about how athletic he was, he dunked 00:26:00.654 --> 00:26:02.424 all 20 of those on the back cut. 00:26:02.904 --> 00:26:04.224 I said, Nope, that's not it. 00:26:04.224 --> 00:26:07.134 And he says, what do you think he's gonna be so special for? 00:26:07.464 --> 00:26:10.074 I said, he wants to be coached and he wants to work. 00:26:10.754 --> 00:26:16.004 And so long story, we ended up, coach Cal and I both wanted him, 00:26:16.004 --> 00:26:20.774 but the hi, his dad actually got on the phone and called and said, Hey, 00:26:20.774 --> 00:26:22.454 if you draft him, he's not coming. 00:26:23.054 --> 00:26:26.564 And Cal's like, what do you mean he, this isn't college, you don't choose. 00:26:26.564 --> 00:26:27.104 He goes, well. 00:26:27.464 --> 00:26:28.664 He'll go play in Italy. 00:26:28.994 --> 00:26:32.504 Well, Jerry West had talked to him and he had everything worked out for him to 00:26:32.504 --> 00:26:34.934 go to the A trade to come to the Lakers. 00:26:35.024 --> 00:26:38.564 We were the only ones that could mess it up with the nets, but the 00:26:38.564 --> 00:26:42.134 owners were like, man, you can't draft somebody and him not come 00:26:42.134 --> 00:26:46.334 and you take a high school kid, you first New York Media will kill you. 00:26:46.784 --> 00:26:50.504 So we ended up taking Kerry Kittle, who was ended up being a really good player. 00:26:51.104 --> 00:26:55.754 All rookie team and all that, but didn't quite have the career Kobe Bryant had. 00:26:55.754 --> 00:27:00.034 But, nonetheless it was, when we went to play him, Kobe came in the locker 00:27:00.034 --> 00:27:01.319 room and found me and said, Hey. 00:27:01.999 --> 00:27:03.139 I just wanted to say thanks. 00:27:03.139 --> 00:27:05.899 I've been doing those drills you showed me that day in June. 00:27:06.139 --> 00:27:07.609 I've been doing 'em ever since. 00:27:07.609 --> 00:27:08.749 I just wanna say thanks. 00:27:08.749 --> 00:27:13.729 So, you know, the point is that one of the all time greatest, one of the biggest 00:27:13.729 --> 00:27:18.289 attribute that I took when I worked him out was one, he wanted to be coached. 00:27:18.874 --> 00:27:20.974 Two, he really wanted to work. 00:27:21.214 --> 00:27:25.474 And then the other thing is he showed gratitude and so, so often kids 00:27:25.474 --> 00:27:28.444 today, they get what they can get, but they're not grateful for it. 00:27:28.684 --> 00:27:33.004 He was grateful for it and he was willing to work and he wanted to be coached. 00:27:35.584 --> 00:27:36.574 Clif Marshall: What a story. 00:27:36.574 --> 00:27:40.684 That's something that can be shared to athletes of all ages 00:27:40.684 --> 00:27:42.364 and a lesson that can be taught. 00:27:42.604 --> 00:27:44.919 I remember you talking to our players at Indiana about that. 00:27:45.214 --> 00:27:47.584 At and I never forgot that story. 00:27:47.674 --> 00:27:51.714 And, man, what a great testimony about Kobe Bryant. 00:27:51.744 --> 00:27:55.884 I want to ask you, as a head coach at Pepperdine University, what is the 00:27:55.884 --> 00:27:57.444 most challenging part of your job? 00:28:00.024 --> 00:28:03.354 Ed Schilling: Well, I mean, nowadays things have changed even 00:28:03.354 --> 00:28:07.374 since we were together at Indiana with the transfer portal and the 00:28:07.374 --> 00:28:09.469 NIL and things like that, it. 00:28:09.994 --> 00:28:11.704 it's made it more challenging. 00:28:11.794 --> 00:28:16.619 one, the fact that, you know, I look at my roster and chances are. 00:28:17.674 --> 00:28:21.724 95% of 'em are not gonna be with me the next year just because of 00:28:21.724 --> 00:28:23.584 the way the transfer portal works. 00:28:23.914 --> 00:28:25.474 And that's how it was. 00:28:25.474 --> 00:28:29.544 I took over the job, a little over a year ago and I had one 00:28:29.544 --> 00:28:30.504 scholarship player that stayed. 00:28:31.604 --> 00:28:34.594 By the time I got the job, they'd all been in the trans, so I had 00:28:34.594 --> 00:28:36.274 to put together a whole team. 00:28:36.724 --> 00:28:41.284 And it was basically that even the transfer portal dated basically 00:28:41.284 --> 00:28:43.444 being there was only a few days left. 00:28:43.444 --> 00:28:46.904 So, you know, I had to put a whole team together and this year the way 00:28:46.904 --> 00:28:48.524 things happened with graduations. 00:28:49.374 --> 00:28:51.564 Guys go into transfer, man. 00:28:51.564 --> 00:28:53.964 You gotta almost do the whole thing again. 00:28:54.324 --> 00:28:58.554 And so, you know, that's one of the hard things is before like even we're 00:28:58.554 --> 00:29:02.334 at Indiana, you'd have a couple, like when we had Romeo Langford, you know, he 00:29:02.334 --> 00:29:03.479 was probably gonna be there for a year. 00:29:04.224 --> 00:29:06.444 But now you have a whole team like that. 00:29:06.894 --> 00:29:11.324 And so that's challenging, you know, and you can either sit back and complain 00:29:11.324 --> 00:29:12.794 about it like, man, this stinks. 00:29:12.794 --> 00:29:13.874 This is not how I got. 00:29:14.204 --> 00:29:15.434 Or you can say, you know what? 00:29:15.674 --> 00:29:20.534 I've got an opportunity to impact more people in a four year period rather than, 00:29:20.534 --> 00:29:23.084 I got kind one group for four years now. 00:29:23.084 --> 00:29:27.284 I got four different groups, so I've gotta try to look at, even though it's 00:29:27.284 --> 00:29:29.474 a big challenge and how it's changed. 00:29:30.179 --> 00:29:34.199 I can look at it as an opportunity that, hey, I'm gonna get a, have an opportunity 00:29:34.199 --> 00:29:39.809 to try to pour into more people's lives over the course of several years, 00:29:39.809 --> 00:29:41.389 hopefully I'm here for several years. 00:29:41.389 --> 00:29:45.319 But that's one of the biggest things is just that transfer portal that 00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:50.599 you've got less time with these guys than you did in years past. 00:29:50.629 --> 00:29:53.334 You know, when you, when before this transfer portal. 00:29:55.829 --> 00:30:00.639 Sam Acho: Coach, you've played and coached in nearly every level of basketball. 00:30:02.289 --> 00:30:05.589 You've coached some of the greatest athletes, but my question is. 00:30:06.344 --> 00:30:10.124 How do you win both on and off of the court? 00:30:11.354 --> 00:30:15.354 Ed Schilling: Well, I think you have to have an anchor, you know, and you better 00:30:15.354 --> 00:30:17.334 have, whether it's, for me, it's my faith. 00:30:18.294 --> 00:30:18.744 You know what? 00:30:18.774 --> 00:30:22.644 My family, but whatever it is, you better have an anchor because you 00:30:22.644 --> 00:30:26.729 can get blown all over the place if you're just going on wins and losses. 00:30:27.439 --> 00:30:28.879 and so you, what's your anchor? 00:30:28.889 --> 00:30:30.059 what can you count on? 00:30:30.059 --> 00:30:32.909 Like things are going great or things are going bad. 00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:35.759 What do you come back to on a daily basis? 00:30:35.969 --> 00:30:40.109 And for me, it's my faith and you know, no matter what that I'm gonna 00:30:40.109 --> 00:30:41.669 get in that word in the morning. 00:30:41.719 --> 00:30:45.199 and it's gonna, that, that Bible is a mirror to me and it's going 00:30:45.439 --> 00:30:47.179 as I read it, I see myself. 00:30:47.504 --> 00:30:48.284 And I'm like, whew. 00:30:48.764 --> 00:30:54.124 Oh man, I gotta repent just like the Israelites needed to repent or I look 00:30:54.124 --> 00:30:58.109 at the, you know, and so one, you have to have an anchor and then you 00:30:58.109 --> 00:31:02.639 have to build your life in such a way that you create habits to really keep 00:31:02.639 --> 00:31:07.389 yourself grounded, through the good times and the bad times, and in between. 00:31:07.434 --> 00:31:09.294 and so that's the biggest thing. 00:31:09.294 --> 00:31:14.694 and then the other thing is that you don't wanna live or coach in fear because fear. 00:31:15.059 --> 00:31:19.529 Fear will make you stay in the office for days on end, watching 00:31:19.529 --> 00:31:23.319 tape till your eyes bleed, thinking, oh, I gotta, I can't lose this game. 00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:25.864 We gotta, and so you can't coach in fear. 00:31:26.104 --> 00:31:29.344 You've gotta coach in faith that you know what I'm gonna do, what needs to be done. 00:31:29.344 --> 00:31:34.714 I'm gonna try to be excellent in what we do, but not to the point where it's 00:31:34.714 --> 00:31:36.904 impacting the things that matter the most. 00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:40.889 and I think that I, what I've learned over the years of doing this and 00:31:41.129 --> 00:31:46.649 30 years of coaching is so often we spend, coaches spend so much time 00:31:46.649 --> 00:31:48.239 because of fear that they do stuff. 00:31:48.239 --> 00:31:51.689 They waste, they spend a lot of time that's really unnecessary. 00:31:52.049 --> 00:31:53.759 make sure you have your scouting report. 00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:55.859 Make sure you're play, make sure you're organized. 00:31:56.999 --> 00:32:01.199 But don't coach in fear, coach in faith, be prepared and then 00:32:01.199 --> 00:32:04.079 go out and do your best and let the Lord take care of the rest. 00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:08.159 And that's the anchor that we have to have, is that we're anchored in 00:32:08.159 --> 00:32:10.589 faith and my faith is in the Lord. 00:32:10.909 --> 00:32:13.669 if you're not anchored in the Lord, then you better find something. 00:32:13.669 --> 00:32:17.089 I don't know what it is, but you better find something that can keep 00:32:17.089 --> 00:32:20.479 you grounded through the good times and the bad, or you're gonna be blown 00:32:20.479 --> 00:32:22.459 all over the place in this business. 00:32:25.334 --> 00:32:26.524 Clif Marshall: Great insight there. 00:32:26.524 --> 00:32:26.884 Coach. 00:32:26.884 --> 00:32:29.134 I want to ask you about your fitness routine. 00:32:29.134 --> 00:32:31.894 The one thing I can remember about you being at Indiana is. 00:32:33.504 --> 00:32:37.704 Man, you got after it in the weight room and you were consistent, 00:32:37.704 --> 00:32:39.324 like you never missed a day. 00:32:39.324 --> 00:32:45.204 And I watched Sam Acho just yesterday on ESPN as he was talking about Dion 00:32:45.204 --> 00:32:52.314 Sanders, because Dion Sanders had a, you know, a, a huge media event today, so to 00:32:52.314 --> 00:32:54.444 speak, press conference regarding his. 00:32:55.324 --> 00:32:56.014 Cancer. 00:32:56.524 --> 00:33:03.614 And one of the things that Sam said, in regards to Dion was health is wealth. 00:33:04.454 --> 00:33:09.494 And I know just watching you how important your fitness is. 00:33:09.854 --> 00:33:13.244 How do you make that a priority even now as you're a head coach? 00:33:15.689 --> 00:33:20.029 Ed Schilling: Well, it's actually easier as a head coach, but, my, my routine, 00:33:20.029 --> 00:33:24.769 I'm a, my, my wife kinda laughs at me, but I'm up at 5:15 every morning. 00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:29.689 I get up and I either do, you know, me on my push and pull stuff, so I, if 00:33:29.689 --> 00:33:34.394 it's a pull day, I go down and I get my pull-ups in and then I go up and I get my. 00:33:34.854 --> 00:33:35.934 Hour in the word. 00:33:35.994 --> 00:33:40.029 So I'm gonna spend an hour, so I get my five minutes in, I get my pullups, 00:33:40.029 --> 00:33:42.429 or I get my pushups in to wake me up. 00:33:42.639 --> 00:33:47.169 I get in that word and I get an hour in that, and then I go and I walk the dog. 00:33:47.169 --> 00:33:50.919 Now walking the dog at Pepperdine's a little different, because I tell you, 00:33:50.919 --> 00:33:55.929 we live on campus, so I'm up at the top and so I walk the dog down, but 00:33:55.929 --> 00:34:00.219 then we gotta walk the dog back up and so it's a little over a mile 0.2. 00:34:00.459 --> 00:34:04.679 So I get to walk in and, Do the breakfast, do that stuff, and then 00:34:04.679 --> 00:34:08.129 when I get to the office, I get things opened up, maybe do one or two things. 00:34:08.444 --> 00:34:10.274 And then I go get my workout in. 00:34:10.274 --> 00:34:11.504 It's about 30 minutes. 00:34:11.714 --> 00:34:16.744 If it's a, if it's a pull day, I'm getting my pull exercises in, and some core. 00:34:16.744 --> 00:34:20.754 And then if it's a push day, I'm getting my push stuff in and some legs. 00:34:20.804 --> 00:34:24.964 and so now I've gotten my, either my pullups or the pushups before 00:34:24.964 --> 00:34:26.464 I've gotten my time in the word. 00:34:26.824 --> 00:34:28.054 I've got my walk in. 00:34:28.394 --> 00:34:32.204 Now I've got, I got my 30 minutes in and it's still basically, you 00:34:32.204 --> 00:34:34.034 know, nine o'clock or nine 30. 00:34:34.034 --> 00:34:38.274 So I try to get it in and, you know, I've seen over the years people that. 00:34:39.194 --> 00:34:43.094 They don't take care of themselves and one, so you're either gonna pay by 00:34:43.094 --> 00:34:46.244 spending some time each day, or you're gonna pay by being sick and you're 00:34:46.244 --> 00:34:49.934 gonna be have poor health and you're gonna have poor energy and you're 00:34:49.934 --> 00:34:53.504 gonna spend the time in the doctor's office or in the bed being sick. 00:34:53.504 --> 00:34:55.844 And so, you know, I'm gonna do everything I can. 00:34:55.844 --> 00:34:58.454 Just like somebody that goes and has a heart attack and now all of 00:34:58.454 --> 00:35:01.814 a sudden they walk every morning or they watch what they eat. 00:35:01.844 --> 00:35:03.794 So I'm gonna try to do it on the front end. 00:35:04.209 --> 00:35:08.009 And as much as I can to do my part, and I'll let the Lord do 00:35:08.009 --> 00:35:09.659 his at whatever he wants with me. 00:35:09.659 --> 00:35:14.589 But I'm gonna try to do my part, to keep myself in the best health that I can. 00:35:14.769 --> 00:35:18.429 Not just for me, but also for my kids and my family. 00:35:18.669 --> 00:35:20.289 I wanna make sure that I'm gonna be. 00:35:20.534 --> 00:35:22.754 And the best health that I can for them. 00:35:22.754 --> 00:35:27.364 So for me to not care about my body and fitness and things like that's because 00:35:27.394 --> 00:35:30.934 that's being selfish, that I'm not gonna be all I can be for my family. 00:35:31.204 --> 00:35:33.424 I wanna be able to run around there with my girls. 00:35:33.424 --> 00:35:34.664 I wanna be able to be there for. 00:35:35.079 --> 00:35:37.329 to help what I need to help out with my wife. 00:35:37.509 --> 00:35:38.889 So I wanna do all that. 00:35:38.919 --> 00:35:42.089 And so I wanna make sure that I'm in the best health that I can. 00:35:42.359 --> 00:35:43.669 You know, the, there's a saying. 00:35:43.669 --> 00:35:46.004 I do a quote every day on my social media. 00:35:46.214 --> 00:35:47.474 I have a thought for the day. 00:35:47.474 --> 00:35:51.374 So I think I had one the other, oh gosh, a little while ago, but 00:35:51.374 --> 00:35:52.544 I'm trying to remember it now. 00:35:52.724 --> 00:35:54.284 But it's like a man that. 00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:57.059 That is healthy, has lots of wants. 00:35:57.779 --> 00:35:59.609 A person that's unhealthy has one. 00:36:00.059 --> 00:36:01.049 They wanna be healthy. 00:36:01.049 --> 00:36:05.739 So, you know, I wanna make sure that I'm doing my part the best I can to 00:36:05.739 --> 00:36:07.689 be as healthy as I can for my family. 00:36:09.414 --> 00:36:10.224 Sam Acho: That's so good. 00:36:10.224 --> 00:36:13.944 There's so many nuggets and so much wisdom and so much insight. 00:36:13.944 --> 00:36:14.904 We're so grateful. 00:36:15.024 --> 00:36:17.454 Last question for me, and then Cliff's gonna help close us. 00:36:17.744 --> 00:36:17.964 Ed Schilling: Hm. 00:36:18.564 --> 00:36:22.554 Sam Acho: What was it like coaching with a coach like John Kalari and 00:36:22.554 --> 00:36:23.889 what made him such a great recruiter? 00:36:24.999 --> 00:36:25.659 Ed Schilling: Oh goodness. 00:36:25.779 --> 00:36:27.189 Coach Cal is great. 00:36:27.189 --> 00:36:30.759 I mean, the one thing working with him is we had fun every day. 00:36:31.089 --> 00:36:33.789 I mean, you came in, you never knew what was gonna happen. 00:36:33.849 --> 00:36:37.329 I remember one time he calls me and Eddie, the chill. 00:36:37.449 --> 00:36:38.739 Get everybody ready. 00:36:38.809 --> 00:36:40.609 we're gonna go to Signature Airport. 00:36:40.669 --> 00:36:42.459 We gotta be there at 7:00 AM. 00:36:42.894 --> 00:36:45.414 Okay, so we get there and we go to the airport. 00:36:45.414 --> 00:36:46.554 We don't know what's going on. 00:36:46.854 --> 00:36:48.954 We get on a plane, we fly to Dallas. 00:36:48.954 --> 00:36:52.654 Bill Parcells is the football coach of the Cowboys, Dallas Cowboys. 00:36:52.654 --> 00:36:53.139 So we get there. 00:36:53.764 --> 00:36:56.084 We watch, we're gonna go watch his team. 00:36:56.084 --> 00:36:58.154 But before that, we go to the Dallas Mavericks. 00:36:58.154 --> 00:37:01.204 We watch the morning session of their training camp, then we 00:37:01.204 --> 00:37:03.364 go watch the Cowboys practice. 00:37:03.514 --> 00:37:08.204 We go and watch the whole practice, watch him do his thing, talk to Jerry Jones in 00:37:08.204 --> 00:37:09.524 the office for a little bit afterwards. 00:37:10.129 --> 00:37:14.389 Then we go to dinner with Bill parcels for about three hours and he's just, you 00:37:14.389 --> 00:37:16.759 know, just talking and I'm just listening. 00:37:17.059 --> 00:37:19.459 Get back on there, go back to the airport. 00:37:19.459 --> 00:37:22.579 We fly back on the private jet drive back home. 00:37:22.729 --> 00:37:23.659 That was the day. 00:37:24.049 --> 00:37:26.029 And so that, that's kind of how Cal is. 00:37:26.029 --> 00:37:27.499 You never know what's coming. 00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:30.284 the only negative with working with Cal is. 00:37:30.669 --> 00:37:31.719 He keeps you busy. 00:37:31.749 --> 00:37:34.359 you're always doing something, but it's a good time. 00:37:34.569 --> 00:37:36.069 It just, you're away a lot. 00:37:36.289 --> 00:37:40.549 but what makes him such a great recruiter in my opinion, is if he 00:37:40.549 --> 00:37:45.199 could be with a, he could be with a group of fortune hot 500 presidents and 00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:47.719 CEOs, and they think he's one of them. 00:37:47.809 --> 00:37:51.199 They think he's a CEO of one of the top companies in the world. 00:37:51.349 --> 00:37:54.854 He can go into a home of a recruit that has a dirt floor 00:37:55.124 --> 00:37:56.324 and they think he's one of them. 00:37:56.979 --> 00:38:02.969 and he's got the ability to connect with anybody, whether it's, somebody that 00:38:03.089 --> 00:38:07.979 doesn't have two nickels to rub together, or if it's somebody that you know is 00:38:07.979 --> 00:38:13.439 runs a multi-billion dollar company, they all, he can connect with all of them. 00:38:13.649 --> 00:38:15.599 And I think that's one of the things he does. 00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:18.869 he's got that personality that he can be right there. 00:38:18.869 --> 00:38:21.029 And I always think of the scripture you wanna. 00:38:21.284 --> 00:38:24.974 You want to be all things to all people so that you might win a few. 00:38:25.274 --> 00:38:28.699 Well, you know, coach Cal can be all things to all people so that 00:38:28.704 --> 00:38:32.744 he can recruit a few and get 'em and win games, so he does that. 00:38:32.744 --> 00:38:35.594 But you know, the one thing about Coach Cal is he is as 00:38:35.594 --> 00:38:38.444 loyal a person as there is. 00:38:38.714 --> 00:38:42.104 You know, if you're one of his guys, you're one of his guys 00:38:42.194 --> 00:38:43.694 and he's gonna be there for you. 00:38:43.744 --> 00:38:47.484 if things, you know, I remember when I was at Wright State when I, you know, 00:38:47.544 --> 00:38:49.044 ultimately got let go, he's like. 00:38:49.539 --> 00:38:51.159 Hey, you always got a job with me. 00:38:51.159 --> 00:38:53.829 You just coach and you coach the way you do the things you think's. 00:38:53.829 --> 00:38:54.009 Right? 00:38:54.009 --> 00:38:55.479 You always got a job with me. 00:38:55.869 --> 00:39:00.249 And sure enough, when I, after six years at Wright State, I went to be with him 00:39:00.249 --> 00:39:03.789 at Memphis, you know, and he found a po, you know, he's like, if I don't 00:39:03.789 --> 00:39:05.799 have one, I'll make a position for you. 00:39:06.099 --> 00:39:07.779 So, you know, that's how he is. 00:39:07.779 --> 00:39:09.129 he's super loyal. 00:39:09.339 --> 00:39:14.139 He can connect with anybody and you know, he's just got that gift to be able to. 00:39:14.724 --> 00:39:18.764 To connect with anyone and I think part of that too is just they can 00:39:18.764 --> 00:39:20.294 read that he's gonna be loyal. 00:39:20.354 --> 00:39:23.444 He, you know, if you're one of his guys, he's gonna be with you. 00:39:26.328 --> 00:39:27.278 Clif Marshall: Wow, coach. 00:39:27.368 --> 00:39:32.798 I always like to take some cliff notes during these interviews 00:39:32.798 --> 00:39:34.208 and I've taken some great ones. 00:39:35.533 --> 00:39:38.863 today with you, and I wanted to share a couple of those. 00:39:38.863 --> 00:39:44.853 The first one is, I believe, you were talking about reading the Bible, right? 00:39:44.853 --> 00:39:46.953 Reading over, you know, reading books. 00:39:47.373 --> 00:39:49.173 And I read a quote recently. 00:39:49.173 --> 00:39:52.713 It said, read many books, but live in the Bible. 00:39:53.163 --> 00:39:56.643 And you mentioned that you've read for, I think, 20 some years 00:39:56.643 --> 00:39:58.353 now, the Bible in one year. 00:39:59.043 --> 00:40:03.103 this was a quote I believe from John Wooden and just, commend you for 00:40:03.103 --> 00:40:07.193 that and learn a lot, by watching you get in the word every day. 00:40:07.193 --> 00:40:08.243 And that's my next point. 00:40:08.243 --> 00:40:10.253 The second cliff note that I took is. 00:40:11.063 --> 00:40:14.363 David Pollock, a great friend of mine who we've had on this podcast. 00:40:14.363 --> 00:40:16.973 He says, you have to be selfish in the morning. 00:40:17.859 --> 00:40:21.039 And I said, well, what does that mean, selfish in the morning? 00:40:21.459 --> 00:40:25.449 And you kind of explained that to us, you know, getting up at five 15 in the 00:40:25.449 --> 00:40:28.299 morning, spending an hour in the word. 00:40:29.004 --> 00:40:33.684 Training your spirit and then you go and you train your body right after that. 00:40:33.684 --> 00:40:37.524 Even as a head coach at Pepperdine, as busy as you are, 00:40:37.524 --> 00:40:38.934 you're making time for that. 00:40:39.294 --> 00:40:45.774 So my third cliff note was you said it, do your best and trust God with the rest. 00:40:45.774 --> 00:40:50.314 I think all of our listeners, here on the Sam Tcho Podcast can resonate with that. 00:40:50.614 --> 00:40:52.414 So thank you for the cliff Notes. 00:40:52.414 --> 00:40:55.204 Coach Schilling, thank you for your time and thank you for being 00:40:55.204 --> 00:40:56.824 a great friend and mentor of mine. 00:40:57.529 --> 00:40:58.249 Ed Schilling: My pleasure. 00:40:58.249 --> 00:41:01.999 Cliff, it's a truly an honor to be your friend and your brother, Sam. 00:41:01.999 --> 00:41:05.414 It's a real blessing to meet you and to spend a little time together. 00:41:05.554 --> 00:41:06.454 So thank you guys. 00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:11.089 Sam Acho: thank you so much, coach and, Before I even close, I do want to thank 00:41:11.089 --> 00:41:14.869 Cliff 'cause so much of the conversations that we have, the people we have on this 00:41:14.869 --> 00:41:20.359 show, it's 'cause of the trust currency that Cliff has built with people. 00:41:20.359 --> 00:41:23.359 Like you coach, you've been coaching for 30 years, you've co you've trained 00:41:23.359 --> 00:41:27.619 Kobe Bryant, you've coached in high school, college professionally. 00:41:27.859 --> 00:41:30.589 Yet as soon as you hear a or a text message or a call from 00:41:30.589 --> 00:41:31.819 Cliff, you say, Hey, I'm on. 00:41:32.089 --> 00:41:37.609 And so Cliff, I want to say thank you for being a man of your word as well. 00:41:37.939 --> 00:41:40.189 Because that's one thing I think we miss out a lot on. 00:41:40.189 --> 00:41:42.739 People aren't really men of their words, so thank you, cliff. 00:41:42.739 --> 00:41:44.929 And then Coach Schilling, thank you as well. 00:41:44.929 --> 00:41:50.149 I mean to hear you said, every day I wake up at five 15, I get my pushes, 00:41:50.149 --> 00:41:53.329 get my pulls, and I get in the word for an hour, and then I go back and do 00:41:53.329 --> 00:41:56.479 my workout after an hour, after a 1.25 00:41:56.479 --> 00:41:57.379 mile walk. 00:41:58.069 --> 00:42:01.909 There's a level of consistency that I think a lot of people can learn from. 00:42:01.909 --> 00:42:04.819 So thank you for teaching us that over the last few minutes. 00:42:05.419 --> 00:42:06.829 Ed Schilling: Well, thank you guys. 00:42:07.129 --> 00:42:08.239 Honored to be with you. 00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:09.349 Thank you so much. 00:42:09.814 --> 00:42:10.054 Sam Acho: Yeah. 00:42:10.054 --> 00:42:13.804 And thank you all for listening to the Sam Macho podcast, featuring Cliff Marshall. 00:42:14.194 --> 00:42:15.904 We can't wait to hear what you think. 00:42:15.904 --> 00:42:18.394 Not only about this episode, but other episodes. 00:42:18.394 --> 00:42:20.614 We're so grateful to have you along this journey with us and 00:42:20.614 --> 00:42:22.264 Coach Schilling, thank you as well. 00:42:22.269 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