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You're listening to The Bible Guys,
a podcast where a couple of friends talk

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about the Bible in fun in practical
ways. Good Morning, morning, good

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morning, good morning. You've done
that at least one time a week,

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a week for it feels like forever. It's three weeks. Yeah, I

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know, that's so funny. Hey, keeping a promise. Good morning,

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It's it's Monday. If you're tuning
in live, not live, but what

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real time, real time. I
guess if you're tuning in on Monday,

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it's Monday morning. If it's if
it's Monday morning for you, good morning

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on Monday, thanks, Jeff.
I mean if you're like, if you're

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keeping up with the current releasing,
I'll say it. If you're up to

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date, up to date, I
guess yes. Well, anyway, if

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you're listening on the day this was
released, Yeah, that's what you're trying

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to do. That's what I try
to say. Okay, Okay, So

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Chris, that was a lot Tougher
name is Chris. This is Jeff Forrester,

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and we are the Bible Guys.
There we go. So we love

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or dad joke competitions, yes,
sure, and as Maveratt, we love

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them so much that one of our
listeners came and they left this dad jokes

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calendar on our desks, right,
which is going too Yes, very nice.

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Yeah, it was used as good
as mine. I have not looked

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through all of the pages of the
case. This one is three hundred and

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sixty five days of unbelievable jokes.
That's what it says. Yes, my

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favorite one February six says dad,
are we pyromaniacs? Yes we are?

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Son? Oh wow wow, yes
we are. So that's great. Anyways,

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well, today Desiree has put together
our dad jokes. Okay, here

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they are and we're going to read
five each. I got the first one.

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Here goes. I don't trust stairs. They're always up to something.

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Okay, okay. My wife keeps
asking me why I have so much candy.

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She doesn't know that I always keep
a few twigs up my sleeve.

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Oh my goodness, I get a
few twigs. Yeah that's speech impediments.

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No, I'm I'm imitatingly, I'm
joking. All right, Here we go,

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truly, whoa wah one. I'm
so good at sleeping that I can

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do it with my eyes closed.
Oh that's terrible, but it's true.

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Yeah, it's sure. You never
see any kids like sleeping with their eyes

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partly open. Oh creepy, creepy. Yeah, okay. Uh. I

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was asked if I could clear the
table after dinner. I needed a running

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start, but I made it.
That's actually really good. That's a good

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one. That's a good one.
That's a good one. All right.

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I used to hate facial hair,
but then it grew on me. Okay,

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that's okay, that's pretty good.
Where do pirates get their books?

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Where? Second hand stores? Yeah? That was rough. That's the roughest

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one today. Okay, that's the
rough rough one here. Yeah, all

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right, here you go. We're
like, we're trying to like it.

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Here we go. I used to
be able to play piano by ear,

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but now I have to use my
hands. Yeah. So, so I

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knew a guy. He was famous, famous preacher. He was a Vietnam

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vet. He was a Navy seal
and he got hit by a white phosphorus

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grenade. Shouldn't have lived, but
he did. But he had really really

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bad burns all over his body.
And uh he uh, the fingers on

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his right hand, the three you
know, his ring finger, and those

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three fingers were stuck. So he
just had a pointer and then on the

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other one he had two fingers that
he could use and that was it.

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But his hands had gotten and he
lost his ear, one of his ears,

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so he had a fake ear and
he could play the piano. One

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of his therapy things was to play
the piano. So he'd play the piano

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and he'd be sitting there playing like
that. He goes, hey, did

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you know play by ear? Every
know? And he goes ding ding ding

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ding ding ding ding, and he'd
play it with his ear. He'd take

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his ear, he take his ear
off. Yes, Dave Reaver was his

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name. So funny. Yeah,
that's he's hysterically funny. And then all

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the old ladies would pass out and
yeah it was Yeah. I would have

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probably told that story too, because
when you hear the phrase piano by ear,

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that would be hard to forget.
Yeah, okay, here's the here's

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the Oh no, you didn't tell
your fourth one. My son was afraid

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of jumping a hurdle, but eventually
he got over it. Okay, Yeah,

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I like to clear the table.
One clear the table is great?

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Yeah, that too similar. How
about this one? Have you heard about

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the new corduroy pillows? No,
they're making headlines. That's pretty Yeah,

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that's a good one. That is
a good one. I'm currently reading an

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anti gravity book. I just can't
put it down. That's a good one.

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It's clever. It's okay, it
is clever. Clever, it is

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clever. Yeah, well, okay, I give it a C minus.

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Today, all right, should we
go through the calendar? I mean we

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used to try to redeem the day. Well, how about we just do

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one from the calendar? Okay,
it's like a bonus one. What do

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you call one hundred? Baby sheep
rolling down a hill? A lambslide?

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Oh, that's pretty good, Okay, a lambslide. I was thinking when

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you said one hundred, I thought, okay, is it called like,

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you know, is this something with
one hundred? You know, like a

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legion or something that's I got hospitalized
due to a peekaboo accident. They put

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me in the ICU. Oh my
goodness. That's a good one. Really,

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that was a good one. Well, thank you to the person who

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gave us these. They will it
will make my day every day for the

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next three hundred and sixty five.
That's great. Well, hey, today

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we are picking up in Matthew twenty
two, Mark twelve, and Luke twenty

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all three of these we're reading these
because again we're in a series where we're

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reading chronologically and also in parallel,
and this story is recorded in all three

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of these gospels. Yeah, okay, so Matthew Chapter twenty two, Verse

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fifteen, it says, then the
Pharisees met together to plot how to trap

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Jesus into saying something for which he
could be arrested. They sent some of

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their disciples, along with the supporters
of Herod to meet him. Teacher.

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They said, we know how honest
you are. You teach the way of

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God truthfully, you are impartial and
don't play favorites. Now tell us what

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do you think about this? Is
it right to pay taxes to Caesar or

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not? But Jesus knew their evil
motives, You hypocrites. He said,

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why are you trying to trap me? Here? Show me the coin used

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for the tax. And when they
handed him a Roman coin, he asked,

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whose pictures and title are stamped on
it? Caesar's there, replied well.

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Then he said, give to Caesar
what belongs to Caesar, and give

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to God what belongs to God.
His reply amazed them, and they went

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away. In Mark chapter twelve,
verse thirteen, it says later the leaders

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sent some pharisees and supporters of Herod
to trap Jesus into saying something for which

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he could be arrested. Teacher.
They said, we know how honest you

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are. You are impartial and don't
play favorites. You teach the way of

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God truthfully. Now tell us is
it right to pay taxes to Caesar or

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not? Should we pay them or
shouldn't we? And Jesus saw through their

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hypocrisy and said, why are you
trying to trap me? Show me a

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Roman coin and I'll tell you.
When they'd handed it to him, he

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asked, whose picture and title are
stamped on it? Caesars. They replied,

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well, then give to Caesar what
belongs to Caesar, and give to

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God what belongs to God. And
his reply completely amazed them. And then

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in Luke chapter twenty, it says, watching for their opportunity, the leader

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sent spies pretending to be honest men. They tried to get Jesus to say

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something that could be reported to the
Roman governor so he could arrest Jesus teacher.

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They said, we know that you
speak and teach. What is right,

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and are not influenced by what others
think. You teach the way of

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God truthfully. Now tell us is
it right for us to pay taxes to

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Caesar or not? And he saw
through their trickery and said, show me

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a Roman coin whose picture and title
are stamped on it Caesar's. They replied,

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well, then he said, give
to Caesar what belongs to Caesar,

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and give to God what belongs to
God. So they failed to trap him

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by what he said in front of
the people. Instead, they were amazed

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by his answer, and they became
silent. Give to Caesar that which is

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Caesar's. So we often say that
we like the life application study Bible.

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Yeah, and by the way,
they don't. They don't even know that

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we say that. Probably I don't
think so. However, there is an

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actual picture of the coin that was
shown to g not the coin, but

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an example. Say what, that's
amazing, A how did they get that

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coin right? Right? And shown
to Jesus, And this is the coin

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of Tiberius Caesar, who reigned from
fourteen a d to thirty seven a D.

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And anyway, but look at he's
he's sort of like a I don't

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mean this disrespectfully. He's got a
really big nose, he's got big eyes.

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I'm not sure if this is a
actual perfect rendering of him, but

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he was the Emperor. He would
have made sure it's just right. Yeah.

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Well he kind of looks kind of
looks, you know, a little

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goofy, a little hawkish. Yeah
maybe. I mean, honestly, if

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you look at it, if you, if you, if you googled this,

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you'll know exactly what we're talking about. I'm not trying to be disrespectful,

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but he looks that way. Well, I feel like an Italian could

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comment on that coin better than say
it, thank you, thank you a

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Swiss guy? Yeah, yeah,
yeah, I'm Italian by the way,

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for those who don't know so,
but didn't you know I'm a quarter Swiss.

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I did not know a quarter?
No? Yeah, yeah I am.

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I'm finally impressed with that, are
you? Oh yeah, you like

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Swiss cheese. I love Swiss cheese. Oh well, there you go.

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Figures And and I don't want to
offend anybody, yeahrrect, you're right,

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But anyway, I just thought that
was interesting. And so Caesar, uh,

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there's different Caesar's whose that's the title, And this is Tiberius. And

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I also think it's amazing that they
were so amazed. So Jesus uh talks

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about money in such a way to
where think about it, it feels like

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it's meaningless. Whose pictures on here? Well, then give it to Caesar,

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right, as if the coins don't
even matter, right, it's not

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mine he made it, didn't give
it to him right? Right? And

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they were amazed. And uh and
by the way, I think also think

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that it's interesting that the scripture gives
us insight that Jesus knew their hearts.

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It says that he knew their motivations, right. Uh, So I often

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wonder all the time, I wonder
this, did Jesus see it in the

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way that everybody else could see it? Or Jesus, did Jesus use his

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superpowers and know like maybe they were
fantastic actors and nobody knew that they were

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trying to be deceitful. And except
for Jesus, I think he's smart enough

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that at this point everything that comes
to him from the phariseesus fake. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah, for sure.
And they're certainly making their grand standing

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here. Oh you are so smart
and you always give the right answer and

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you're so truthful. So the reason
why this is a trap is that the

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average Jewish citizen hated paying taxes to
Rome. Sure, so Rome had conquered

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Israel. Israel was not free.
They had conquered most of the known world

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at that time, right the Mediterranean
world, and so when you paid taxes,

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it went to support the government,
certainly, but it went beyond that,

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you know, it supported the elite
people, It supported the pagan temples,

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it supported everything that the Jews were
again, and then it was taking

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their money to do it. And
then there's just so much fraud and all

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those things, and it was supporting
your oppressor, right, so were their

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oppressor was able to continue oppressing them
because they were collecting taxes to be able

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to continue to oppress you, you
know what I mean. And so it

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was this vicious cycle. They hated
it. And so the reason why this

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question was so clever was because if
Jesus said, yeah, you should pay

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your taxes, it woul sound like
he supports Rome and he's an anti you

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know, Israelite guy. Right on
the other side, if he decides to

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play to the people, which is
what the Pharisees think, Jesus is always

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doing. They think he's always just
playing to the people. That's why they're

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he's the king of the Jews,
right, and they're so frustrated with him

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all the time because they're always like, the people love him so much,

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so they think he just tells the
people what they want to hear. And

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so they thought he would say or
they were hoping he would say no,

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no, no, just just do
whatever you want to do, because that

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corrupt pagan government they don't deserve your
money. They use it in the wrong

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way. They're supporting evil temples,
all this stuff. You shouldn't pay your

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taxes. Well, then now they
can go to the governor and go,

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hey, governor, this guy he
claims to be the king of Jewseys telling

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people quit paying taxes. The only
thing that mattered to the Romans was taxes.

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They didn't care about the people at
all. They just wanted the taxes.

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They continue feeding the war Masipan one
of the taxes, and peace,

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and they only wanted peace so that
people can pay taxes, right right,

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that's right they wanted to. And
by the way, Tiberius was Caesar.

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This this Caesar at that time,
he was famous for continuing this policy of

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we're going to maintain peace. It's
going to be strength that maintains peace.

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And the whole purpose is when nations
are prosperous, they produce a lot more

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resources and then you can tax them
even more. Right, that's how the

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rich you're richer. Yeah, and
so, but the wars, whenever you

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think of the Romans being such,
you know, great warriors, the war

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has always happened on the edges of
the Roman Empire. They're constantly expanding.

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It's because they had a giant Ponzi
scheme. Essentially, if they didn't keep

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taking more land, eventually the entire
system would implode. Right, So they

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kept having to take more land,
but they were collecting taxes on the inside

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interior in order to be able to
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that they would be able to gain
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able to keep the rich richer.
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system was, and it worked.
It worked for hundreds and hundreds of years,

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but so the people hated it.
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what's God's totally takes away all the
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how they thought they would catch Jesus. Yeah, well, there's a sermon

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in there that you that you alluded
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probably thought that Jesus was going to
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right, Yeah, these leaders,
the leaders thought Yeah, the leaders

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thought that, right. And by
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of church and out of the Bible
and out of Jesus today. Right.

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They want to hear what they want
to hear. Right, And so some

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you know, you and I do
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come in through the church doors and
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on an upper level, you and
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said of the fifty two weeks of
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believe that there are things that people
want to hear, and then there are

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things that people need to hear,
right, yeah, And those are sort

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of the two categories. And so
Jesus often said things that people needed to

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hear but did not want to hear. So Jesus was not that Jesus said

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things that people. I mean,
it challenge people, rub people, the

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wrong way. You know, got
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know, I mean, he said
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say, if you follow me,
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and then and then Peter for instance, still follows them, right. And

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so yeah, he said things that
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in the law. And he was
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at a woman to lust after,
it's the same as committing adultery. If

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you just write you if you get
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it's the same as killing them.
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He watches things up talking about motive. Now, whereas they had viewed their

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entire face system being built around just
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he's questioning motives. Jesus really goes
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one of those things, you know, when the Bible says that sin is

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like a cancer in us, right. And I remember when when I had

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cancer, I didn't want to hear
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do something about it, right,
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Jesus came in and my doctor came
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Hey, jeff, I think I
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But we've got a plan, right, And that's what Jesus did. Jesu

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didn't come in he said, oh, you bunch of BOMs, you bunch

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of sinners. Jesus said, hey, I got some things you don't want

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to hear, but I've got a
plan. And by the way, your

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cancer free for how many years?
Yeah? Three years? Three years,

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three years. So I have some
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it's really good. Right, So
thank god, thank god we got in

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time. Thank god this this doctor
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right, that's a jarring thing.
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this. And it worked. And
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does. But the Pharisees and their
religious leaders, because they did constantly try

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to pander to the people, they
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do on others, and you project
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because they were constantly trying to manipulate
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Jesus was doing, was manipulating the
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Right, have you ever told something
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them. And then they respond by
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yeah, dude, I'm not judging
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most common things in this world today? Yeah? So, you know,

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in a loving context relationship, I
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I'm just hypothetically saying, which I've
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the way, you know, and
set them down. Hey, listen,

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I want to challenge you. I
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This is not a good thing.
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respond with don't judge me, it's
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judging you. I'm actually, you
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God asks us, which, by
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brought it up, we're supposed to, as Christians lovingly judge insiders, but

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the Bible tells us that we're not
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those words in Corinthians, right,
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Jesus says, you know by their
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that the fruit somebody's putting out they
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they're putting out bananas. Well there's
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being judgmental. You're claiming one thing, you're putting something else out. And

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in that case, then if you
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make a you know, have a
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if they refuse it. Hey,
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the core of this passage, Jesus
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responsibilities. We're citizens of this world
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so we have a responsibility to our
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responsibility to Heaven. When those two
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of Acts, John says, you
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governments are necessary. They're a thing
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know, maintain your responsibility as a
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say this for Americans. Here's a
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Chris, who is Caesar? In
America? We are Caesar. We are

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Caesar. That's right, if you
ask them. I've asked so many people

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this question and they always go,
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not in America. Right, It's
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representatives and justices and you know,
administrative people. It's it's not them,

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it's us. We are Caesar.
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and I have to be because of
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the power that you have as a
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the relative power of your vote,
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in the same way that in this
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guy, you know. The note
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intelligence, prudence, and duty nice
right, and he did a great job

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leading the empire. At that time. It was a peaceful time as a

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prosperous time. And it's in that
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Caesar's thing. Well, you and
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be doing the work of God.
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and we have to leverage our ability
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the direction of our nation. We
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in a godly way, using prudence
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of things. So in our situation, he's talking directly to you and me,

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and we're one of the few people
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power that he's talking about here.
That's awesome. Yeah, there's a there's

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a note in the Bible here that
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we have dual citizenship and then which
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references references one Peter two seventeen.
So I looked it up in the NLT

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version and it says, respect everyone, and love the family of believers,

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Fear God, and respect the King. Oh yeah, right, So it's

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talking about that same thing. It's
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citizens of the earth. Right,
that's right, that's neat. So any

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any last parting thoughts, I would
say, are people going to listen to

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this podcast and have questions about their
own taxes? Like, I mean,

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you know it's by the way,
it's tax season, isn't it. Sure?

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Yeah, so taxes are coming up. Yeah. I think you know,

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the more educated you are, the
better you are at managing your The

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more educated about taxes, yes,
you are the better. The more educated

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yours to what you need to pay
and what you shouldn't pay. I don't

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think you should pay anymore. And
you have to pay right, And then

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I think that you need to leverage
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taxes are used for better things.
And then and then what about cheating people

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out of there? What about cheating
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against it, not for it,
that's right. Well give the Caesar that

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was just caesars. That's right,
that's right, that's right. And and

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so our government is all about we
the people. So we should be giving

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our money and you know a portion
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people. Yeah, yeah, okay, Well that's uh that's looks like that's

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about our time, so hopefully we
will see you next time on the Bible

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guys. H