WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.920 --> 00:00:09.735 Welcome, everyone, to DC Beer Show. We are at DC 2 00:00:09.735 --> 00:00:13.495 Beer across social media. Mike 3 00:00:13.495 --> 00:00:17.255 Stein, what are you drinking tonight? I am having Live 4 00:00:17.255 --> 00:00:20.730 Oaks Grzewski Pivo, 5 00:00:21.590 --> 00:00:25.210 a Polish style 100% smoked 6 00:00:25.430 --> 00:00:29.225 wheat beer. It's a wonderful beer, 3%. I 7 00:00:29.225 --> 00:00:32.445 got it at the brew shop. Shout out to Beth and Julie. 8 00:00:32.905 --> 00:00:36.640 The brew shop in Arlington also recently just got cans of 9 00:00:36.640 --> 00:00:40.480 dovetail, and we're gonna talk more about that later. But, Jake, what 10 00:00:40.480 --> 00:00:44.025 are you drinking? I am drinking the end of 11 00:00:44.025 --> 00:00:47.485 an era. It is a Soul Mega Worldwide 12 00:00:47.625 --> 00:00:51.320 Pale Ale contract brewed in Upper Marlboro, 13 00:00:51.380 --> 00:00:55.140 Maryland at the now-closed Calvert Brewing 14 00:00:55.140 --> 00:00:58.585 Company. Elliot Johnson, sole mega proprietor, 15 00:00:59.045 --> 00:01:02.585 is going to move over and contract brews 16 00:01:02.965 --> 00:01:06.650 worldwide as well as rhythm and beauty, dark lager, 17 00:01:07.450 --> 00:01:11.290 at DC's very own DC Brau. And 18 00:01:11.290 --> 00:01:14.190 so curious to see how that goes, 19 00:01:15.174 --> 00:01:19.015 but, you know, a nice 60-degree day calls for 20 00:01:19.015 --> 00:01:22.455 just, you know, a classic easy drink in American pale 21 00:01:22.455 --> 00:01:25.970 ale. It's got, like, a little bit of that juice, you know, 22 00:01:25.970 --> 00:01:29.810 juicy hops to it, but it's not hazy. You got a nice little bit of 23 00:01:29.810 --> 00:01:32.735 malt, gives you that biscuity toasty bread stuff. 24 00:01:33.775 --> 00:01:36.995 So good times. Yeah. Mike, so you've already mentioned 25 00:01:37.455 --> 00:01:40.975 Dovetail and Live Oak. Have you seen Notch 26 00:01:40.975 --> 00:01:44.690 cans around at all? Or do we think that 27 00:01:44.690 --> 00:01:48.450 Notch was a one off over at Shelter? I 28 00:01:48.450 --> 00:01:51.910 have not seen Notch cans around 29 00:01:52.445 --> 00:01:56.205 town. I was in touch with Notch, and I do 30 00:01:56.205 --> 00:01:59.265 believe that they had only sent kegs. 31 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:02.820 So when I last talked to, 32 00:02:03.600 --> 00:02:07.359 Julady Pena, the brewer up a notch, it was Alt Bier 33 00:02:07.359 --> 00:02:11.094 day in Brighton. Bless 34 00:02:11.094 --> 00:02:14.875 them and their all beer day. And so they had just sent 35 00:02:14.935 --> 00:02:18.760 draft out. So the question is, will we get cans? 36 00:02:19.460 --> 00:02:23.160 Unclear at the moment. It may just be 37 00:02:23.460 --> 00:02:27.045 kegs for now. And, you know, like, we are 38 00:02:27.045 --> 00:02:30.885 blessed with abundance of beer here. I'd be a little sad if we didn't 39 00:02:30.885 --> 00:02:34.270 get cans because then that meant that I can't drink it at 40 00:02:34.270 --> 00:02:37.629 home, but we've got Dovetail. We've got Live 41 00:02:37.629 --> 00:02:41.205 Oak. We've got Port Cities, excellent lagers. The 42 00:02:41.205 --> 00:02:44.724 Italian Pills, if it's still available, you all should 43 00:02:44.724 --> 00:02:48.319 definitely go get it. Could be cans only at the brewery. 44 00:02:48.620 --> 00:02:52.299 Yep. Il Palio, the Italian style Pilsner from Port 45 00:02:52.299 --> 00:02:55.875 City. I had the pleasure of sitting down with Adam Reza and Bill 46 00:02:55.875 --> 00:02:59.715 Butcher of Port City and there'll be an article forthcoming on that because we have 47 00:02:59.715 --> 00:03:03.450 not one Italian pilsner but we have 2 with Right 48 00:03:03.450 --> 00:03:07.290 Proper recently releasing theirs. Jake, you have 49 00:03:07.290 --> 00:03:10.930 a can for me. Supercarina, what was your take on the Right Proper Italian style 50 00:03:10.930 --> 00:03:11.345 pilsner? So the Right Proper one, 51 00:03:18.865 --> 00:03:22.540 soft and a little like, the, the Port City one has this sort 52 00:03:22.540 --> 00:03:26.305 of a soft roundness to it. And so 53 00:03:26.385 --> 00:03:29.685 we've been seeing more West Coast pills around 54 00:03:30.305 --> 00:03:33.984 and New Zealand pills, and a lot of that really just depends on the 55 00:03:33.984 --> 00:03:37.470 hops that you use with a Pilsner based beer 56 00:03:37.770 --> 00:03:41.230 and lager yeast. And I think this Supercarina 57 00:03:41.690 --> 00:03:44.830 probably fits more in line with those. 58 00:03:45.755 --> 00:03:49.055 I know that Tipo pills and the Italian pills 59 00:03:49.275 --> 00:03:52.770 hasn't been around all that long, but I would 60 00:03:52.770 --> 00:03:56.450 describe port cities as a little more rustic and old 61 00:03:56.450 --> 00:04:00.290 school and traditional, and Right Proper's as a little 62 00:04:00.290 --> 00:04:03.844 more modern and new school, sort of keeping with 63 00:04:03.844 --> 00:04:05.625 people's hoppier palates. 64 00:04:07.444 --> 00:04:11.290 Drinking them both side by side is absolutely fascinating. It's just 65 00:04:11.290 --> 00:04:14.670 kinda cool to see this style take off here too. 66 00:04:15.209 --> 00:04:18.795 Yes. I can't wait to do the Pepsi challenge. Should I blindfold 67 00:04:18.935 --> 00:04:22.775 myself before I do it? It will be very obvious to 68 00:04:22.775 --> 00:04:26.590 you which is which. One is very much more 69 00:04:26.970 --> 00:04:30.190 in the tradition of raised by wolves. And I think to me, 70 00:04:30.810 --> 00:04:34.625 that's the giveaway, But it's super cool to have these beers 71 00:04:34.625 --> 00:04:38.065 come in, you know, under 5, 5 a half percent that are 72 00:04:38.065 --> 00:04:41.900 identifiably lagers and then sort of play with that a 73 00:04:41.900 --> 00:04:45.260 little bit within the parameters. Oh, woah. This is a 74 00:04:45.260 --> 00:04:48.795 Pilsner. What can we do in terms of the hopping and 75 00:04:48.795 --> 00:04:52.475 treat it as such? Absolutely. Well, what 76 00:04:52.475 --> 00:04:56.270 other news has come your way? I do wanna shout 77 00:04:56.270 --> 00:05:00.110 out a couple events this weekend. Main one is it 78 00:05:00.110 --> 00:05:03.870 is the 5th anniversary over at Red Bear, and they're gonna throw 79 00:05:03.870 --> 00:05:07.405 a Friday, Saturday, Sunday party. It's gonna 80 00:05:07.405 --> 00:05:11.085 include a 5-Hop IPA, drag shows, all the cool 81 00:05:11.085 --> 00:05:14.900 things that we'd come to expect from Red Bear, and, of 82 00:05:14.900 --> 00:05:18.440 course, peak bloom, their cherry blossom beer will be there. 83 00:05:18.580 --> 00:05:22.360 We'll have more about that over at dcbeer.com soon. 84 00:05:23.025 --> 00:05:26.785 And the the Women's Brew Culture Club is going to invade Baltimore. I 85 00:05:26.785 --> 00:05:30.145 believe they're hitting check Checkerspot on Saturday, and so that's pretty 86 00:05:30.145 --> 00:05:33.990 cool. If you're a dude or dude identifying, then 87 00:05:33.990 --> 00:05:37.830 I would say give the ladies and the nonbinary folks their space, but 88 00:05:37.830 --> 00:05:41.495 you can still come. And then, we could all kind of 89 00:05:41.555 --> 00:05:45.235 join up and have ourselves a little Baltimore party. It's fun to get up there. 90 00:05:45.235 --> 00:05:48.700 And then, of course, Sunday, the bottle share at Red 91 00:05:48.700 --> 00:05:52.460 Bear. Hellbender. Oh, I said Red Bear, didn't I? It's Hellbender. I 92 00:05:52.460 --> 00:05:56.085 had Red Bear on the mind. So 2 to 5, it's open to everybody. 93 00:05:56.225 --> 00:05:58.325 Please RSVP over at dcbeer.com/events. 94 00:06:01.880 --> 00:06:05.640 One reason you should be there is that our friend Jerry over at 95 00:06:05.640 --> 00:06:08.625 Sharer Pints is gracious enough to pick up 96 00:06:09.185 --> 00:06:12.625 the last four bottles of Sam 97 00:06:12.625 --> 00:06:16.225 Smith Stingo in the mid Atlantic as far as I can 98 00:06:16.225 --> 00:06:19.910 tell. And we will certainly pop one of them. And so if you're 99 00:06:19.910 --> 00:06:23.750 curious as to what a stingo is, kind of like 100 00:06:23.750 --> 00:06:27.445 a porter, but also kind of not, You should 101 00:06:27.445 --> 00:06:31.125 come through. I think Beef Space Barbecue will be there. That's 102 00:06:31.125 --> 00:06:34.729 Isaac's spot. You might know him from City Brew Tours. It'll be a good 103 00:06:34.729 --> 00:06:38.570 time. Yeah. So Hellbender DC Beer 104 00:06:38.570 --> 00:06:41.949 Share. While you're on the dcbeer.com website, 105 00:06:42.194 --> 00:06:45.335 click that link to become a supporter on Patreon. 106 00:06:45.955 --> 00:06:49.634 Because for a measly $5 you will get 107 00:06:49.634 --> 00:06:53.180 access to our private DC beer chairs where we will 108 00:06:53.180 --> 00:06:56.770 have not just worldwide renowned stingo from Sam Smiths 109 00:06:56.771 --> 00:07:00.435 brewery in England, but we'll have, dusty bottles, fresh 110 00:07:00.435 --> 00:07:04.115 bottles, things I promise you you have never seen 111 00:07:04.115 --> 00:07:07.790 before. 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And we 122 00:07:46.345 --> 00:07:49.645 also wanna call attention to Women in Craft Beverage 123 00:07:50.104 --> 00:07:53.245 Excellence in Industry Panel. This is happening 124 00:07:53.820 --> 00:07:57.420 March 21st. It's goes from 6:30 to 125 00:07:57.420 --> 00:08:00.560 8:30 PM, and it's taking place at other half DC. 126 00:08:01.375 --> 00:08:04.975 There is a number of very talented contributors on the 127 00:08:04.975 --> 00:08:08.735 panel, Jamie Winden, Judy Neff, Crystal Fraley, 128 00:08:08.735 --> 00:08:12.490 doctor j Jackson Beckham, Maureen O' Prey, Amy Burke, 129 00:08:12.550 --> 00:08:16.009 Julie Drews, Jasmine Dill, and Latrice Harris. 130 00:08:16.229 --> 00:08:19.885 Now Latrice was just on the podcast last month, but our very 131 00:08:19.885 --> 00:08:23.325 own Brandy Holder has done a wonderful job of putting this panel 132 00:08:23.325 --> 00:08:27.165 together. It's a wonderful event. You can purchase tickets. 133 00:08:27.165 --> 00:08:30.930 You'll get some food and drink at Other 134 00:08:30.930 --> 00:08:34.450 Half Brewing Company. So that's Thursday, March 21st from 135 00:08:34.450 --> 00:08:38.235 6:30 to 8:30 PM. I've already bought my tickets, so 136 00:08:38.235 --> 00:08:41.835 you will see mister and missus Stein there. Come see us 137 00:08:41.835 --> 00:08:45.660 on March 21st at other half DC. And 138 00:08:45.660 --> 00:08:49.459 a gentle reminder, if you're a DC beer member, you get 139 00:08:49.459 --> 00:08:52.565 a discount on those tickets. Dcbeer.com/patreon. 140 00:08:55.105 --> 00:08:58.725 Again, we have goodies for you. One other 141 00:08:58.945 --> 00:09:02.380 event to mention is the 12th at Lyon 142 00:09:02.380 --> 00:09:06.160 Hall. They did a sold out blackberry dinner, 143 00:09:06.380 --> 00:09:10.080 and they're gonna do 1 women owned on 12th. 144 00:09:10.535 --> 00:09:14.315 So nice sort of middle of the week, pregame 145 00:09:14.455 --> 00:09:18.135 pie day. Should be a good 146 00:09:18.135 --> 00:09:21.900 time. I hear nothing but good things about about the last one. It's very 147 00:09:21.900 --> 00:09:25.580 cool that Alyssa, GM over there is putting this stuff 148 00:09:25.580 --> 00:09:29.360 on. It's nice to have these beer dinner events 149 00:09:29.634 --> 00:09:33.315 back in the area. At one point, that was a cool thing to do that 150 00:09:33.315 --> 00:09:37.154 kind of, like, dwindled during the pandemic and such, but nice to have them 151 00:09:37.154 --> 00:09:40.510 back. Yeah. You know, it seems 152 00:09:40.810 --> 00:09:44.410 that beer dinners are back and they're back in a big way. 153 00:09:44.410 --> 00:09:48.045 Talking to Alyssa at Lyon Hall, it sounds like, the beer 154 00:09:48.045 --> 00:09:51.505 dinner featuring all of the local black owned breweries, 155 00:09:52.045 --> 00:09:55.760 DC proper, Maryland, and Virginia, they sold out and 156 00:09:55.760 --> 00:09:59.520 they had to add seats. That's how well it was doing. So people 157 00:09:59.520 --> 00:10:03.200 are eager to hear directly from the producers and get 158 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:06.875 more in intel behind the scenes at the beer 159 00:10:06.875 --> 00:10:10.395 dinner. So check out Lyon Hall. Check out, what 160 00:10:10.395 --> 00:10:14.210 Alyssa's doing there. It's definitely solid work with reason to be proud 161 00:10:14.210 --> 00:10:17.750 of. Yeah. And this comes on the heels of Franklin's 162 00:10:17.970 --> 00:10:21.635 under new brewmaster Jeff Hancock doing a series of beer 163 00:10:21.635 --> 00:10:25.235 dinners. We record the show on Tuesday. Those beer dinners are 164 00:10:25.235 --> 00:10:28.855 happening Wednesday, Thursday, which means you're listening to this on Friday. 165 00:10:29.450 --> 00:10:33.130 They already happened, but they'll be bringing them back a little a bit 166 00:10:33.130 --> 00:10:36.830 more again. And Francis is also gonna do a firkin' Friday 167 00:10:36.890 --> 00:10:40.634 more often. So nice to see some real natural ale. 168 00:10:40.935 --> 00:10:44.615 And, occasionally, a lager and a 169 00:10:44.615 --> 00:10:47.800 and a firkin, that'll be a good time as well. 170 00:10:48.180 --> 00:10:51.620 Alright, Mike. We big up Dovetail already. We 171 00:10:51.620 --> 00:10:55.065 have. We have. But who's our guest for this 172 00:10:55.065 --> 00:10:58.905 evening? We have a very special guest coming 173 00:10:58.905 --> 00:11:02.205 to us from Chicago. It's JP. 174 00:11:03.150 --> 00:11:06.930 JP is a brewer at Dovetail. She also 175 00:11:07.390 --> 00:11:10.450 her proper title is marketing and creative manager 176 00:11:11.070 --> 00:11:14.904 slash brewer. So we're putting marketing and creative managing first, then 177 00:11:14.904 --> 00:11:18.685 we're putting, the brewing second. But, JP 178 00:11:18.745 --> 00:11:22.430 is an advanced Cicerone. Outside of 179 00:11:22.430 --> 00:11:25.650 being in the beer world, she's also in the beer and food 180 00:11:26.110 --> 00:11:29.925 world very much so. She's always bringing new 181 00:11:29.925 --> 00:11:33.365 insights to our favorite ancient beverage. She's 182 00:11:33.365 --> 00:11:37.160 responsible for all these interesting events that happen at the 183 00:11:37.160 --> 00:11:40.600 brewery in Chicago. And then she was the reason, we 184 00:11:40.600 --> 00:11:44.175 were so excited and all around town last week 185 00:11:44.175 --> 00:11:47.075 when Dovetail dropped, and she's gonna oversee 186 00:11:47.695 --> 00:11:50.835 Dovetail's excellent care in the DMV. 187 00:11:51.589 --> 00:11:55.269 And she's a fan of brewing in DC. She's been here a 188 00:11:55.269 --> 00:11:58.925 number of times, so she's knowledgeable about the area. JP, 189 00:11:58.925 --> 00:12:02.445 thank you so much for joining us. Can you introduce 190 00:12:02.445 --> 00:12:06.260 yourself to the DC Beer listenership? I am one of 191 00:12:06.260 --> 00:12:09.940 the brewers at Dovetail Brewery, as well as their marketing and creative 192 00:12:09.940 --> 00:12:13.480 manager. I've been with the brewery for 193 00:12:13.860 --> 00:12:16.935 8 years now. I was employee number 1, 194 00:12:17.875 --> 00:12:21.495 outside of the family. And if people aren't familiar 195 00:12:21.555 --> 00:12:24.960 with Dovetail, we are a brewery that 196 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:28.800 specializes in continental European styles while using traditional 197 00:12:28.800 --> 00:12:32.400 methods. That's a great introduction. I'm wondering since 198 00:12:32.400 --> 00:12:35.895 you've got 8 years under your belt, 199 00:12:36.515 --> 00:12:40.135 with Dovetail, if you can tell us some of your memorable beer 200 00:12:40.195 --> 00:12:43.890 or cider or macchioli moments in the DC 201 00:12:43.890 --> 00:12:47.570 metro area? Obviously, you know, you've had a a wonderful journey, 202 00:12:47.570 --> 00:12:51.410 but you've journeyed to DC proper. And I'm wondering if you tried some of 203 00:12:51.410 --> 00:12:54.845 our local products or had some stuff, you know, maybe 204 00:12:54.845 --> 00:12:58.285 imported stuff, from around the world in DC 205 00:12:58.285 --> 00:13:01.185 proper. Oh, sure. I think one of my 206 00:13:01.800 --> 00:13:05.639 most vivid beer memories of DC proper was I was 207 00:13:05.639 --> 00:13:09.335 there and it was a rainy day. And I was just 208 00:13:09.655 --> 00:13:12.955 solo walking around Georgetown and I walked 209 00:13:13.575 --> 00:13:16.775 up that alley into the Sovereign and, 210 00:13:17.175 --> 00:13:20.760 had a bowl of water zoy. I'm probably 211 00:13:20.760 --> 00:13:24.440 butchering that water zoy, which is just like a Belgian stew, a really 212 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:28.175 hearty Belgian stew, and, had myself a Belgian 213 00:13:28.175 --> 00:13:30.755 beer. And it was it was just one of those, like, 214 00:13:31.615 --> 00:13:35.200 perfect, just beer drinking moments. 215 00:13:35.420 --> 00:13:39.180 Just like the, you know, the you were cozy, you were warm, you were in 216 00:13:39.180 --> 00:13:42.875 a place that, you know, like people really cared about 217 00:13:42.935 --> 00:13:46.695 the the beer that they were serving and and the food that went 218 00:13:46.695 --> 00:13:50.450 along with it. And, yeah, just it's just when I think 219 00:13:50.450 --> 00:13:54.150 of beer in DC, that's one of the first things I think of. 220 00:13:54.530 --> 00:13:58.050 I've also spent a lot of time, you know, just bopping around. The Church 221 00:13:58.050 --> 00:14:01.745 Key, obviously, very influential. If anyone's familiar with 222 00:14:01.745 --> 00:14:05.585 Chicago, there's a there's a bar here called the Hop Leaf, which was also 223 00:14:05.585 --> 00:14:09.280 very influential to me as I, you know, came through 224 00:14:09.580 --> 00:14:13.260 my professional beer journey. So just going to Church Key and being able to drink 225 00:14:13.260 --> 00:14:16.955 there, and of course, like, the the beers that you get in 226 00:14:16.955 --> 00:14:20.795 BC are sometimes beers that we don't, you know, necessarily get in 227 00:14:20.795 --> 00:14:24.335 Chicago all the time. Of course, there's Right Proper, 228 00:14:24.955 --> 00:14:28.520 which I would like because they sometimes it would do these 229 00:14:28.520 --> 00:14:32.200 really esoteric historical styles, which is right up my 230 00:14:32.200 --> 00:14:35.975 alley. And then Port City Brewing, in Alexandria, 231 00:14:36.835 --> 00:14:39.575 they're, you know, they're also smoked beer 232 00:14:40.195 --> 00:14:43.890 enthusiasts as well. Again, just very like 233 00:14:43.890 --> 00:14:47.730 minded in in the way that we approach beer at dovetail. Well, 234 00:14:47.730 --> 00:14:50.310 we missed you over the weekends and 235 00:14:51.085 --> 00:14:54.685 I, you know, not only enjoyed the beer, but really enjoyed 236 00:14:54.685 --> 00:14:58.445 meeting Dan and Bill. And it just seems like such 237 00:14:58.445 --> 00:15:02.160 a wonderful familial feel to dovetail. 238 00:15:02.780 --> 00:15:06.160 And it seems like that was brought to DC 239 00:15:06.460 --> 00:15:09.855 even just for the short amount time that you guys were here this weekend. And 240 00:15:09.855 --> 00:15:13.154 you guys aren't really anywhere else other than 241 00:15:13.375 --> 00:15:17.200 Chicago and then now DC and Virginia. And 242 00:15:17.500 --> 00:15:21.340 so now that Dovetail has been introduced to the beer drinking 243 00:15:21.340 --> 00:15:25.120 community of DC and Virginia, who may have not been to Dovetail, 244 00:15:25.340 --> 00:15:29.165 I'm curious how much of the Dovetail beer we're going to 245 00:15:29.165 --> 00:15:32.525 get in DC. Like, what kind of, like, 246 00:15:32.525 --> 00:15:36.170 special one off? So our entry into DC and 247 00:15:36.170 --> 00:15:40.010 Virginia was very intentional, and it took 2 years. 248 00:15:40.010 --> 00:15:43.825 Right? It took 2 years of meeting the 249 00:15:43.825 --> 00:15:47.265 right people who got us on the right track with the right 250 00:15:47.265 --> 00:15:51.105 people in DC and Virginia. Yeah. And what I mean by that 251 00:15:51.105 --> 00:15:54.810 is they shared our point of view when it comes to 252 00:15:54.810 --> 00:15:58.510 beer, and most people being, Justin and Allied and his team, 253 00:15:58.730 --> 00:16:02.205 Allied being our distributor. And then, you know, people like, 254 00:16:02.525 --> 00:16:06.065 Greg Engert, who, you know, as you know, like Bluejacket, 255 00:16:06.365 --> 00:16:10.120 Sovereign, Churchkey. I'm sure I'm missing one. And 256 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:13.720 what is important to me is that that 257 00:16:13.720 --> 00:16:17.560 we stay intentional in the places that we put 258 00:16:17.560 --> 00:16:21.195 our beer. So it is my hope that, you know, this 259 00:16:21.195 --> 00:16:24.475 isn't the last you're gonna see a Dovetail. And I think that happens a lot 260 00:16:24.475 --> 00:16:28.210 with certain brands that come into new markets. Like, they'll do a big 261 00:16:28.210 --> 00:16:32.050 drop, it's a big splash, and then then there's no 262 00:16:32.050 --> 00:16:35.890 connection to beer drinkers in that market. And it's it's important 263 00:16:35.890 --> 00:16:39.084 for me. I know it's important for Dan, and I know it's important for Bill 264 00:16:39.084 --> 00:16:42.925 and Hagen that we keep that connection because that 265 00:16:42.925 --> 00:16:46.750 connection is a lot has a lot to do with, I think 266 00:16:47.290 --> 00:16:50.750 the way that we're able to talk about our beer 267 00:16:50.810 --> 00:16:54.475 and really just share our beer, with with 268 00:16:54.475 --> 00:16:57.835 with beer drinkers. But to answer your question, to 269 00:16:57.835 --> 00:17:01.620 start, you'll see a lot of our core 4, Vienna Lager. 270 00:17:01.620 --> 00:17:05.400 Like the Hellas Locker? Yes. The Hellas Locker. 271 00:17:06.260 --> 00:17:10.045 So a pale a pale ale, our pale lager. Yep. Kolsch, 272 00:17:10.045 --> 00:17:13.744 which is, you know, technically a pale ale, and then, a Hefeweizen. 273 00:17:14.205 --> 00:17:17.645 So for dovetail beers, like, we make beers 274 00:17:17.645 --> 00:17:21.050 that are to be enjoyed round after round. 275 00:17:21.590 --> 00:17:25.270 So nothing, you know, too high in alcohol that, you know, it has, like, a 276 00:17:25.270 --> 00:17:28.735 nice, malt character to it. It's got a a 277 00:17:28.735 --> 00:17:31.955 balanced bitterness, and it usually finishes 278 00:17:32.255 --> 00:17:36.080 dry. Like, for us, we want you to sit down and just enjoy a couple 279 00:17:36.080 --> 00:17:39.840 of rounds of cocktail. So what you'll see is mostly core 4 280 00:17:39.840 --> 00:17:43.280 to start. I'm think a majority of it's gonna be on 281 00:17:43.280 --> 00:17:46.915 draft. We also are very fond 282 00:17:46.915 --> 00:17:50.295 of our bartenders. There is a check saying that goes, 283 00:17:50.595 --> 00:17:54.000 it's the brewer that makes the beer, but it's the bartender that completes 284 00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:57.220 it. So it's it that entire process 285 00:17:57.360 --> 00:18:01.040 isn't finished until that that beer is in front of 286 00:18:01.040 --> 00:18:04.695 you. And we have a ton of of 287 00:18:04.695 --> 00:18:08.294 admiration and respect, for the people that are behind the bar as 288 00:18:08.294 --> 00:18:11.820 well. So we make a beer that's just simply called 289 00:18:11.820 --> 00:18:15.420 lager, and it's only draft. It's only in bars and 290 00:18:15.420 --> 00:18:18.400 restaurants, and that's our way of kind of 291 00:18:18.815 --> 00:18:22.254 saluting, those people who are completing our 292 00:18:22.254 --> 00:18:25.855 beer. And and for the and for the folks listening, when when I said 293 00:18:25.855 --> 00:18:29.670 Hella's Lager, I held up the can, and the podcast screen. You you 294 00:18:29.670 --> 00:18:33.510 don't see anything, but you hear. So hopefully you heard the clank of the the 295 00:18:33.510 --> 00:18:37.350 beer can. I'm curious since, you know, it is Women's History 296 00:18:37.350 --> 00:18:40.725 Month, and you have some 297 00:18:40.725 --> 00:18:44.245 incredible credentials, behind your name. And I'm just 298 00:18:44.245 --> 00:18:47.799 curious, you know, what have been some of 299 00:18:48.019 --> 00:18:51.860 the hats that you've worn in the industry? Well, I guess, you 300 00:18:51.860 --> 00:18:55.345 know, I I I've always been interested in beer, but, 301 00:18:55.985 --> 00:18:59.505 my I guess my professional path into beer 302 00:18:59.505 --> 00:19:02.164 started with the Cicerone certification program. 303 00:19:02.950 --> 00:19:06.789 So that feels like another lifetime ago, at this point. 304 00:19:07.190 --> 00:19:10.409 But if people aren't familiar with the Cicerone certification 305 00:19:10.710 --> 00:19:14.555 program, it's a it's a certification for people that sell 306 00:19:14.555 --> 00:19:18.235 and serve, beer. The the easy 307 00:19:18.235 --> 00:19:21.660 way to describe it is like, it's a it's a sommelier for 308 00:19:21.660 --> 00:19:24.480 beer. And again, like going back to 309 00:19:25.420 --> 00:19:29.100 what I said, where where the beer really 310 00:19:29.100 --> 00:19:32.745 isn't completed until it's in front of you. I think, you 311 00:19:32.745 --> 00:19:36.445 know, beer service is such an important part of 312 00:19:36.905 --> 00:19:40.650 beer culture. And I can nerd out about beer service 313 00:19:40.650 --> 00:19:44.169 traditions all day long. So I started out the Cicerone 314 00:19:44.169 --> 00:19:47.995 certification program. I was an exam manager there. And 315 00:19:48.135 --> 00:19:51.655 during that time, I had the opportunity to to 316 00:19:51.655 --> 00:19:55.250 travel all throughout North America and 317 00:19:55.310 --> 00:19:58.530 some some places in Europe and really get to visit, 318 00:19:59.390 --> 00:20:03.045 other beer culture and really, you know, see how other 319 00:20:03.045 --> 00:20:06.885 breweries were serving their beer, what they were doing, how 320 00:20:06.885 --> 00:20:10.500 they were brewing their beer and and what they were brewing. And that was 321 00:20:10.500 --> 00:20:14.040 very important to me. That was like my observational 322 00:20:14.500 --> 00:20:18.260 education. As it so happens, there 323 00:20:18.260 --> 00:20:21.365 is there's this there were these train tracks, 324 00:20:21.985 --> 00:20:25.825 next to my office window. And one day I 325 00:20:25.825 --> 00:20:28.885 was looking outside the window and over the train tracks. 326 00:20:29.179 --> 00:20:32.779 And I saw these. What I found out 327 00:20:32.779 --> 00:20:36.299 later were open for banners going into a building. I'm like, 328 00:20:36.299 --> 00:20:39.975 that's interesting. What's going on there? So I ended 329 00:20:39.975 --> 00:20:43.735 up basically inviting myself over, and that was the first time I 330 00:20:43.735 --> 00:20:47.480 met Hog and Abel. And it it was things 331 00:20:47.480 --> 00:20:50.940 that I had never seen in a North American brewery before 332 00:20:51.240 --> 00:20:54.785 when I stepped into to dovetail. One of them being the open 333 00:20:54.785 --> 00:20:58.304 fermenters. That was just something I've never seen in a North American 334 00:20:58.304 --> 00:21:01.780 brewery. The other thing was the cool ship. The other thing was 335 00:21:01.780 --> 00:21:05.540 this 4 vessel brewing system where they were telling me 336 00:21:05.540 --> 00:21:09.080 about how they were going to their beers. Like, 337 00:21:09.554 --> 00:21:13.395 it just kind of blew my mind, and it was something as 338 00:21:13.395 --> 00:21:17.155 somebody who's really interested in beer traditions, like, just 339 00:21:17.155 --> 00:21:20.179 really spoke to me as far as, like, a shared philosophy 340 00:21:20.880 --> 00:21:24.559 about brewing. So yeah. So I invited myself over. They needed 341 00:21:24.559 --> 00:21:28.325 somebody to help serve in the, in the tap room there the 342 00:21:28.325 --> 00:21:31.945 1st couple of months. And, yeah, I never left. 343 00:21:32.885 --> 00:21:35.940 So Scoped it out. You're like open fermentation and decoction? 344 00:21:36.560 --> 00:21:40.160 Yeah. Sign me up. Yeah. I love that. I love 345 00:21:40.160 --> 00:21:43.665 that. So we were at Lost Dog Cafe in Alexandria, 346 00:21:44.125 --> 00:21:47.965 and I was fortunate enough to buy the last Hellas, a 4 347 00:21:47.965 --> 00:21:51.669 pack there. We talked to our 348 00:21:51.669 --> 00:21:55.510 friend, Steve Quartel, and he had mentioned that on opening night, the 349 00:21:55.510 --> 00:21:58.975 Helles keg kicked by 8 PM. So it definitely, 350 00:21:59.195 --> 00:22:02.794 like, seems that the, old Chicago standby 351 00:22:02.794 --> 00:22:06.289 of, 1, 2, 3, 7, 8 352 00:22:06.289 --> 00:22:10.130 beers, held up well. And I love your 353 00:22:10.130 --> 00:22:13.845 description of the core for, representing ethos of 354 00:22:13.845 --> 00:22:16.405 the brewery and the beers you make, which is we want you to have a 355 00:22:16.405 --> 00:22:20.005 few. We don't want them to be high gravity, high alcohol, too 356 00:22:20.005 --> 00:22:23.625 sweet, too bitter, just in that sweet spot. And they all do 357 00:22:23.820 --> 00:22:27.280 play that very well. I bought a 4 pack of all of the 358 00:22:27.580 --> 00:22:31.420 core 4, but I'm wondering the microcosm of just 359 00:22:31.420 --> 00:22:35.245 because Helles kicked first both the keg and and the can sales at 360 00:22:35.245 --> 00:22:39.085 Lost Dog. If that translates to what you see in Chicago with the 361 00:22:39.085 --> 00:22:42.780 Chicago market, obviously, it's too early to really tell what's gonna 362 00:22:42.780 --> 00:22:44.960 do great and go gangbusters in DC. 363 00:22:46.540 --> 00:22:50.245 But I'm I'm just wondering about the brands, how well they sell, 364 00:22:50.245 --> 00:22:53.785 what's sort of the number one seller, and do you think that'll replicate 365 00:22:54.485 --> 00:22:57.445 itself in DC, or do you think DC will be a bit of a curve 366 00:22:57.445 --> 00:23:01.200 ball? Well, you could tell me more about DC drinkers. I 367 00:23:01.200 --> 00:23:04.260 could tell you about Chicago drinkers. And I know Chicago drinkers. 368 00:23:05.735 --> 00:23:09.575 Like, honestly, all of our those core 4, they there's a little bit 369 00:23:09.575 --> 00:23:12.935 of seasonality to it. Like, you might see a little tick of, 370 00:23:13.175 --> 00:23:16.890 Hefeweizen in the summer, and then, a little bit of Vienna 371 00:23:16.890 --> 00:23:20.270 in the fall and winter because it's got, like, the more toasty, caramelly, 372 00:23:20.810 --> 00:23:24.495 warm, comforting, malt flavors to it. But there is 373 00:23:24.495 --> 00:23:28.175 no like clear cut, like number 1 seller. Yeah. You know, you know, 374 00:23:28.175 --> 00:23:31.410 it's not like it was 15 years ago where people are 375 00:23:31.890 --> 00:23:35.590 we're chasing these, these huge personalities 376 00:23:35.890 --> 00:23:39.190 of beers, like the barrel aged out, like the super 377 00:23:39.330 --> 00:23:43.075 bitter, happy, you know, the IBU wars and 378 00:23:43.075 --> 00:23:46.675 whatnot. I think as maybe the 379 00:23:46.675 --> 00:23:50.390 the quote unquote craft beer market matures, I think 380 00:23:50.390 --> 00:23:54.150 people's palates are maturing as well. That's not to say that 381 00:23:54.150 --> 00:23:57.610 there isn't a spot for, you know, I like a good, 382 00:23:57.670 --> 00:24:01.195 big, boozy, barrel aged salad every once in a 383 00:24:01.495 --> 00:24:05.095 while too. Yeah. But it is great to have, you know, we love smoked beer 384 00:24:05.095 --> 00:24:08.715 so much. I have live oaks Grodzinski, a 3% beer, 385 00:24:08.855 --> 00:24:12.360 you know, a smoked a 100% oak smoked 386 00:24:12.360 --> 00:24:16.040 wheat, and then you your brewery makes a Grodzinski as 387 00:24:16.040 --> 00:24:19.445 well, and they kinda stand out not as 388 00:24:19.445 --> 00:24:23.284 opposite, but as a different type of smoke than the Schlenker Law, 389 00:24:23.284 --> 00:24:27.120 the Heller Troop beer from Franconia, Bam Bamburger Rauch 390 00:24:27.120 --> 00:24:30.560 beer, which is world famous in its own right. So, 391 00:24:30.960 --> 00:24:34.400 we're just we're so excited that that dovetail is 392 00:24:34.400 --> 00:24:37.935 here. So thank you. And, you know, 2 393 00:24:37.935 --> 00:24:41.535 years of planning. Right? It really the thoughtfulness shines through. I 394 00:24:41.535 --> 00:24:45.289 think the thought was like, oh, Dovetail just got here, so they must 395 00:24:45.289 --> 00:24:49.130 have just, like, sent some kegs and cases down. But you really took the 396 00:24:49.130 --> 00:24:52.865 time to roll it out right. Oh, I'm glad I'm 397 00:24:52.865 --> 00:24:56.565 glad you I'm glad you, you saw that and and and recognize 398 00:24:56.625 --> 00:25:00.065 that. Because again, like, everything we do is very, very 399 00:25:00.065 --> 00:25:03.840 intentional, very intentional. It might seem a little off the wall sometimes, 400 00:25:03.899 --> 00:25:07.519 but it's it is intentional. And, you know, 401 00:25:07.835 --> 00:25:11.595 I don't wanna be seen as a brewery that just drops off beer and then 402 00:25:11.595 --> 00:25:15.434 leaves. I wanna make sure that we're there as a resource for the people that 403 00:25:15.434 --> 00:25:19.240 are serving our beer, that we're there to connect with the people 404 00:25:19.240 --> 00:25:22.940 that are drinking our beer. And, you know, I have some ideas about 405 00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:25.720 how I can do that, and I hope I get to be in DC, and 406 00:25:25.720 --> 00:25:29.295 I hope we get to do things that, you know, 407 00:25:29.755 --> 00:25:33.295 bring a little part of our taproom to to DC as well. 408 00:25:33.570 --> 00:25:37.170 Awesome. Well, JP, thank you so much for joining us on the DC Beer 409 00:25:37.170 --> 00:25:40.785 Show. Yeah. Thanks for having me. Thank you so much, 410 00:25:41.185 --> 00:25:44.565 JP. We love that you're repping the right proper shirt. 411 00:25:44.865 --> 00:25:48.385 Again, as as Mike said in the intro, always nice to see, 412 00:25:48.705 --> 00:25:52.309 a fan of the DC beer scene. And, also, for those of 413 00:25:52.309 --> 00:25:55.909 us out there in podcast radio land, the 414 00:25:55.909 --> 00:25:59.345 running joke is that, those of us who 415 00:25:59.345 --> 00:26:02.865 talk on the DC beer show are the main 416 00:26:02.865 --> 00:26:06.705 consumers of Rauch beer in the DC metro area. And so 417 00:26:06.705 --> 00:26:09.820 it's really nice to have the person behind 418 00:26:10.120 --> 00:26:13.560 National Rauch Beer Month, which for us is every 419 00:26:13.560 --> 00:26:17.365 month on the pod. Alright. We're at 420 00:26:17.365 --> 00:26:21.125 DC beer across the socials. Saint Patrick's 421 00:26:21.125 --> 00:26:24.950 Day is coming up. Cherry Blossom Beers are here. Saint 422 00:26:24.950 --> 00:26:27.929 Baldrick's is gonna is coming up at Boundary Stone too. 423 00:26:28.470 --> 00:26:32.309 Everybody be well. Be safe. Mike, parting thoughts. You 424 00:26:32.309 --> 00:26:36.055 wanna take us out? Sure. It's that time of year where 425 00:26:36.055 --> 00:26:39.655 we switch from, Port City Porter weather to Port 426 00:26:39.655 --> 00:26:43.100 City WIT weather, but I have to I have to be 427 00:26:43.100 --> 00:26:46.860 true to my my buddy, Julie, at Arlington 428 00:26:46.860 --> 00:26:50.225 Brew Shop. Every weather is porter weather. 429 00:26:50.785 --> 00:26:54.544 Kinda like how every day is wrapped beer day. You just have to try 430 00:26:54.544 --> 00:26:58.070 hard not. Thanks for listening, everybody. We'll see you out there. Be 431 00:27:01.913 --> 00:27:02.413 well.