{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"REBECCA:","startTime":5.4,"endTime":10.17,"body":"Welcome to Demystifying Instructional Design, a podcast where I interview"},{"speaker":"REBECCA:","startTime":10.17,"endTime":13.86,"body":"various instructional designers to figure out what it is instructional"},{"speaker":"REBECCA:","startTime":13.86,"endTime":14.79,"body":"designers do."},{"speaker":"REBECCA:","startTime":15.57,"endTime":17.55,"body":"I'm Rebecca Hogue, your podcast host."},{"speaker":"REBECCA:","startTime":18.18,"endTime":20.28,"body":"If you or someone you know would like to be"},{"speaker":"REBECCA:","startTime":20.28,"endTime":24.6,"body":"a guest on Demystifying Instructional Design, please complete the Be"},{"speaker":"REBECCA:","startTime":24.6,"endTime":30.36,"body":"My Guest form available on Demystifying Instructional Design dot com. 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excellent."},{"speaker":"REBECCA:","startTime":1909.86,"endTime":1910.46,"body":"Excellent."},{"speaker":"REBECCA:","startTime":1910.76,"endTime":1913.49,"body":"Thank you very much, Autumn, for coming and joining us"},{"speaker":"REBECCA:","startTime":1913.49,"endTime":1915.23,"body":"and sharing your wisdom with us."},{"speaker":"REBECCA:","startTime":1915.41,"endTime":1916.31,"body":"Really appreciate it."},{"speaker":"AUTUMM:","startTime":1916.49,"endTime":1918.16,"body":"Thanks so much for having me, Rebecca."},{"speaker":"AUTUMM:","startTime":1918.17,"endTime":1919.07,"body":"It was my pleasure."},{"speaker":"REBECCA:","startTime":1920.93,"endTime":1924.44,"body":"You've been listening to Demystifing Instructional Design, a podcast where"},{"speaker":"REBECCA:","startTime":1924.44,"endTime":1927.2,"body":"I interview instructional designers about what they do."},{"speaker":"REBECCA:","startTime":1927.8,"endTime":1928.7,"body":"I'm Rebecca 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