WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.870 --> 00:00:06.600 Welcome to Resilience Talk hosted by Paul Spencer of Second Nature Solutions. 00:00:07.020 --> 00:00:07.860 Let's dive in. 00:00:08.631 --> 00:00:09.321 Brandon Giella: Hello Paul. 00:00:09.381 --> 00:00:13.281 Welcome back to another episode of Resilience Talk. 00:00:14.241 --> 00:00:19.941 Today is a a different kind of conversation, if I may. 00:00:20.931 --> 00:00:25.281 Today is July 8th, 2025. 00:00:26.391 --> 00:00:31.671 There are a lot of things in the world today that people are 00:00:31.671 --> 00:00:33.856 experiencing feeling, thinking about. 00:00:35.241 --> 00:00:39.351 And so I wanna set the table for listeners, invite you to 00:00:39.351 --> 00:00:41.301 this meal that we're having. 00:00:41.301 --> 00:00:44.451 This is a very wide ranging conversation, but it will make sense. 00:00:45.531 --> 00:00:52.281 So today, July 8th, there are different points of chaos and 00:00:52.311 --> 00:00:54.771 risk that people are experiencing. 00:00:55.701 --> 00:01:01.612 And it could start with the floods in Texas where a hundred people die. 00:01:03.096 --> 00:01:04.806 It could start more closer to home. 00:01:04.806 --> 00:01:08.496 For some people where they're experiencing loss of a loved 00:01:08.496 --> 00:01:15.096 one, they're experiencing climate change, if you will, fires, they're 00:01:15.096 --> 00:01:18.366 experiencing anxiety about their jobs. 00:01:18.546 --> 00:01:22.236 We're having a somewhat of a slowdown in the economy today due to many 00:01:22.236 --> 00:01:24.756 different reasons they could experience. 00:01:24.816 --> 00:01:27.126 Um, uh. 00:01:27.666 --> 00:01:32.916 Let's say social divisions or immigration raids, or they could 00:01:32.976 --> 00:01:35.286 be experiencing financial loss. 00:01:35.796 --> 00:01:40.116 There's just so many different aspects of of life that people are 00:01:40.116 --> 00:01:42.156 experiencing and it can feel very heavy. 00:01:43.716 --> 00:01:48.366 And I'm experiencing different things, you know, uh, just personally, I know you are. 00:01:49.176 --> 00:01:52.836 A lot of people listening are, and there's this sense of anxiety or 00:01:52.836 --> 00:01:56.826 hopelessness that almost everyone I talk to is feeling this way. 00:01:57.546 --> 00:02:01.476 We had a, a weekend at, at church a couple weeks ago where the pastors were just 00:02:01.476 --> 00:02:03.491 like, Hey, let's just pray for each other. 00:02:03.561 --> 00:02:06.126 Like, what is going on in your life from, from the stage? 00:02:06.156 --> 00:02:07.206 What is going on in your life? 00:02:07.211 --> 00:02:07.411 Let's share. 00:02:08.416 --> 00:02:12.796 And every person that talked was just this devastating thing, one after 00:02:12.796 --> 00:02:20.926 another, and it felt so heavy and it in times like these, it creates this 00:02:21.796 --> 00:02:27.676 sense that we have to clinging to something and feel this sense of like 00:02:27.826 --> 00:02:33.886 resilience because we need hope and we need faith in a time like this. 00:02:34.336 --> 00:02:37.306 And there's this scene in the Crown. 00:02:37.626 --> 00:02:41.526 From a couple of seasons ago where this nun is walking into a room, I think 00:02:41.526 --> 00:02:47.406 it was a nun walking into this room and she's like, how is your faith? 00:02:48.456 --> 00:02:49.146 That's what she said. 00:02:49.206 --> 00:02:50.076 How is your faith? 00:02:50.341 --> 00:02:50.461 Paul Spencer: Hmm. 00:02:51.246 --> 00:02:53.886 Brandon Giella: And I know Paul, you and I have talked a lot over the 00:02:53.886 --> 00:02:58.176 last couple of weeks of, we've had so many wide ranging conversations, 00:02:58.176 --> 00:02:59.706 but you keep going back to that. 00:02:59.886 --> 00:03:02.946 Where is your faith in a time like this? 00:03:04.236 --> 00:03:06.456 So Paul, tell me about. 00:03:07.581 --> 00:03:13.191 The things that you're thinking about these days and how your faith is 00:03:13.221 --> 00:03:18.171 integrating maybe into this world, into this season that so many people are 00:03:18.171 --> 00:03:24.201 feeling, and what's drawing you back to that sense and how folks might be able 00:03:24.201 --> 00:03:30.381 to have that faith, that hope, that love to get them through a hard time. 00:03:32.211 --> 00:03:35.151 And of course, it will impact things in the future. 00:03:35.556 --> 00:03:38.856 And how we're thinking about our businesses in this tumultuous period. 00:03:39.186 --> 00:03:42.606 It could be ai again, could be climate, energy crises. 00:03:42.606 --> 00:03:46.176 It could be, you know, different issues within their business that they're 00:03:46.176 --> 00:03:49.026 facing, the economy, tariffs, so on. 00:03:50.526 --> 00:03:55.986 What is it for you that your faith takes you into this place 00:03:55.986 --> 00:03:57.456 and, and how do you navigate it? 00:03:57.606 --> 00:04:00.726 Where is your faith today, Paul, in, in this season? 00:04:01.541 --> 00:04:07.481 Paul Spencer: Uh, uh, so I would hope that I have high faith and I 00:04:07.481 --> 00:04:11.381 hope to practice, uh, high faith. 00:04:11.441 --> 00:04:14.921 Uh, there's always room for improvement for sure. 00:04:15.371 --> 00:04:18.191 Um, and I think just going back to what you were just 00:04:18.191 --> 00:04:22.181 saying is that are all feeling. 00:04:24.231 --> 00:04:26.691 With the age of transition, right? 00:04:26.841 --> 00:04:30.441 Things that are going on that we've talked about already, it just feels like 00:04:30.441 --> 00:04:36.561 it's amplified and there's no space, there's no, there's no calm space. 00:04:37.491 --> 00:04:42.771 Um, whether it's geopolitical things around the world with wars and attacks 00:04:42.771 --> 00:04:46.761 and all those things, all the way down to like what you just said, which is, 00:04:47.121 --> 00:04:51.561 could be the flash floods in Texas and, and the horrific loss of life there. 00:04:51.861 --> 00:04:55.791 Or even just like you said at, at home where we lose a family member. 00:04:56.061 --> 00:04:56.271 Right? 00:04:56.991 --> 00:05:01.911 Um, and all of that goes back to where's your faith? 00:05:02.871 --> 00:05:04.131 Um, because. 00:05:05.076 --> 00:05:11.706 In the end, resilience is based on faith and hope. 00:05:12.666 --> 00:05:18.666 And without those things, it's very difficult to cope with 00:05:18.666 --> 00:05:20.346 whatever is going on in your life. 00:05:20.646 --> 00:05:28.146 So even if we were in the age of, uh, the golden era and things were all awesome 00:05:28.146 --> 00:05:31.746 and stable and nothing but good things. 00:05:32.526 --> 00:05:38.256 We still have events in our lives where our business goes under, right? 00:05:38.706 --> 00:05:41.736 Or, uh, we have a car crash, right? 00:05:41.766 --> 00:05:43.956 Uh, uh, Diego jta, right? 00:05:43.986 --> 00:05:44.466 He was 00:05:44.466 --> 00:05:50.016 a soccer player, uh, that died over the weekend, um, unexpectedly 00:05:50.076 --> 00:05:51.216 right with his brother. 00:05:51.696 --> 00:05:53.796 They're the only two siblings in the family. 00:05:54.276 --> 00:05:55.056 Life is. 00:05:56.136 --> 00:05:59.736 Uh, not without knowing their, their personal situations, but 00:05:59.736 --> 00:06:05.226 from the outside life is perfect, right on soccer team, living the 00:06:05.286 --> 00:06:07.656 living the dream, and it's gone. 00:06:08.256 --> 00:06:13.716 Um, and so those are the things where we have to be able to strip, we have 00:06:13.716 --> 00:06:17.676 to be able to go through the exercise and be able to say to ourselves, if 00:06:17.676 --> 00:06:21.366 I strip everything away, if I take. 00:06:21.966 --> 00:06:27.126 All the material things that I've worked my butt off for and I take 00:06:27.126 --> 00:06:33.186 away my house, my home, and then I take away my money and my wealth. 00:06:33.726 --> 00:06:44.016 And for a lot of us, um, especially as, as business owners, um, we, we have, um, some 00:06:44.316 --> 00:06:51.066 identity built into that as an owner and as for some of the toys that we may get. 00:06:51.891 --> 00:06:54.501 As maybe part of the privilege of ownership. 00:06:54.681 --> 00:06:59.751 And that doesn't mean fancy cars and big house and yacht, but, uh, there's 00:06:59.751 --> 00:07:02.901 a different perspective in the world, like what we've talked about before. 00:07:03.111 --> 00:07:07.611 You have a different wisdom to share when you operate as an owner. 00:07:07.611 --> 00:07:08.811 And those are blessings. 00:07:09.381 --> 00:07:12.411 Um, but we also have a strong identity into that. 00:07:12.831 --> 00:07:17.271 And so when that business goes away, um, there's lots of owners that have 00:07:17.271 --> 00:07:19.581 a difficult time of dealing with that. 00:07:20.331 --> 00:07:24.591 It's really difficult, um, because my identity's now gone. 00:07:24.591 --> 00:07:30.141 Now my, my business and people knew me as this, this awesome business owner. 00:07:30.141 --> 00:07:31.431 And how's your business? 00:07:31.431 --> 00:07:37.431 And, and when that's gone, uh, it's like taking away myself, 00:07:37.761 --> 00:07:38.001 right? 00:07:38.001 --> 00:07:38.871 My soul. 00:07:39.351 --> 00:07:44.691 Um, and so then that goes back to the question of where's your faith? 00:07:45.291 --> 00:07:45.741 Um. 00:07:46.521 --> 00:07:51.381 Then again, just kind of going through that, take away the wealth, 00:07:51.531 --> 00:07:57.651 our material things, and then we take away what was most likely, most 00:07:57.651 --> 00:07:59.211 dear to us, and that's our family. 00:07:59.751 --> 00:08:00.651 And it's just left. 00:08:00.711 --> 00:08:02.091 You're just left right 00:08:02.211 --> 00:08:02.931 with nothing. 00:08:03.981 --> 00:08:05.936 And we say, where's your faith? 00:08:07.026 --> 00:08:09.516 Um, because nothing is ever perfect. 00:08:09.966 --> 00:08:11.706 Uh, I think we've talked about this before. 00:08:11.706 --> 00:08:15.276 When we're, when we're running a resilient business and we're thinking 00:08:15.276 --> 00:08:20.196 about all these things that Paul talks about and processes and risk management, 00:08:20.586 --> 00:08:24.756 that doesn't mean that you win and it 00:08:24.756 --> 00:08:27.426 doesn't mean that it's a happy path. 00:08:27.426 --> 00:08:31.116 And if you do it right, if you do it just like Paul says, or if you 00:08:31.116 --> 00:08:34.836 read these four books, you'll, and you do 'em just like that. 00:08:35.361 --> 00:08:37.791 It will be perfect for you, right? 00:08:37.911 --> 00:08:41.881 You can do all those things and still, fail 00:08:42.121 --> 00:08:42.341 Brandon Giella: Mm. 00:08:42.621 --> 00:08:44.571 Paul Spencer: and lose everything, right? 00:08:45.081 --> 00:08:51.231 And the last thing that you have, the only thing that you have is your faith. 00:08:52.071 --> 00:08:54.531 And that is the only pillar, right? 00:08:54.531 --> 00:08:56.241 That you have that goes through you. 00:08:57.651 --> 00:09:02.541 Out, up, right straight to God that says this. 00:09:02.916 --> 00:09:04.206 Is all I have, right? 00:09:04.266 --> 00:09:05.106 It's all I have. 00:09:05.106 --> 00:09:06.606 All I have is a relationship with him. 00:09:07.056 --> 00:09:09.276 All I can do is rely on him. 00:09:10.146 --> 00:09:14.586 And, uh, and it's up to him even if I don't like it and 00:09:14.586 --> 00:09:15.966 I don't like the outcomes. 00:09:16.476 --> 00:09:24.816 Um, and that is, that faith, um, will allow me to have some hope that even 00:09:24.816 --> 00:09:30.426 though it's, it's, full of despair and loneliness and not much fun. 00:09:31.176 --> 00:09:32.496 Is I still have hope 00:09:33.036 --> 00:09:38.166 and that hope is that there's something on the other side, right? 00:09:38.856 --> 00:09:41.436 That regardless of all the things that are going on in the world, 00:09:41.916 --> 00:09:46.416 um, and with me personally, that there's something else, right? 00:09:46.896 --> 00:09:51.816 Something bigger than me, um, and God has something in store for me 00:09:52.266 --> 00:09:54.216 besides just this, and that is hope. 00:09:55.056 --> 00:09:55.386 Right. 00:09:55.686 --> 00:09:59.766 Um, and those are the two things that without those 00:09:59.766 --> 00:10:01.446 things it's really hard to love. 00:10:02.826 --> 00:10:08.886 And I know in society today, especially in our world today, um, we're asked to 00:10:08.886 --> 00:10:11.706 love and to love and we can do that. 00:10:11.706 --> 00:10:16.446 But it does feel there's a lot of hopelessness behind 00:10:16.446 --> 00:10:18.846 the asks of love, right? 00:10:19.326 --> 00:10:24.066 And you can't force people to love, but you can have faith and hope that. 00:10:24.411 --> 00:10:26.001 That there will be love, right? 00:10:26.751 --> 00:10:30.171 Um, so those are different virtues, obviously, um, 00:10:30.231 --> 00:10:32.211 within, um, where's your faith? 00:10:32.691 --> 00:10:40.731 Um, but I think it's worth the thought, uh, for you all listening, um, to take 00:10:40.731 --> 00:10:44.151 the exercise and to say, where's my faith? 00:10:45.201 --> 00:10:48.891 And when it's all stripped away, where am I? 00:10:49.701 --> 00:10:51.501 And if that doesn't feel very good. 00:10:52.311 --> 00:10:56.211 And I wouldn't expect it to feel great and I wouldn't feel, expect it to feel good. 00:10:56.451 --> 00:10:59.331 But if you know that there's a gap there, right? 00:10:59.811 --> 00:11:03.111 And I, I don't really know where my faith is, or I don't have a 00:11:03.111 --> 00:11:08.061 strong faith, or I've lost hope, um, then that's a place to go to work. 00:11:08.691 --> 00:11:08.931 Brandon Giella: Hmm. 00:11:10.491 --> 00:11:15.141 I like that you ended on the word work, because in my mind I could hear people 00:11:15.201 --> 00:11:17.632 thinking this sounds a bit woo woo. 00:11:18.021 --> 00:11:20.421 You're talking about love and faith and hope. 00:11:21.141 --> 00:11:27.471 Um, but it, but this, what you're describing is actually very difficult. 00:11:28.716 --> 00:11:30.876 There's a phrase that people describe. 00:11:31.146 --> 00:11:36.276 Uh, the true philosopher is someone who, when a tyrant comes into 00:11:36.276 --> 00:11:39.576 town, they can pick up all their belongings in like a suitcase, head 00:11:39.576 --> 00:11:41.046 outta town, and they can be content. 00:11:41.236 --> 00:11:41.656 Paul Spencer: Mm-hmm. 00:11:41.741 --> 00:11:44.601 Mm-hmm. 00:11:44.646 --> 00:11:47.886 Brandon Giella: you have this faithful person who endured the worst suffering 00:11:47.886 --> 00:11:50.076 and they, they were content with the Lord. 00:11:51.456 --> 00:11:51.726 Paul Spencer: Yeah. 00:11:52.146 --> 00:11:53.826 Uh, maybe just real quick, and 00:11:53.916 --> 00:11:58.956 not to interrupt you, uh, but content is one thing. 00:11:59.676 --> 00:12:01.116 Uh, did he like it? 00:12:01.686 --> 00:12:02.586 Did he suffer? 00:12:03.246 --> 00:12:04.266 Did he cry? 00:12:04.866 --> 00:12:06.846 Did he wonder why? 00:12:07.896 --> 00:12:08.616 of course. 00:12:08.706 --> 00:12:09.036 right. 00:12:09.336 --> 00:12:10.206 That's who we are. 00:12:11.046 --> 00:12:12.611 Um, but he still had the faith. 00:12:13.281 --> 00:12:13.521 Right. 00:12:14.316 --> 00:12:16.926 Brandon Giella: And there's also, there's contentment and then there's joy. 00:12:17.376 --> 00:12:19.986 Can you, because, because the Bible instructs, you should 00:12:19.986 --> 00:12:21.786 have joy in your sufferings. 00:12:22.551 --> 00:12:24.741 Take joy that you are suffering in this moment. 00:12:24.741 --> 00:12:25.521 James says that. 00:12:25.521 --> 00:12:26.241 Paul says that, 00:12:26.456 --> 00:12:26.676 Paul Spencer: Yes. 00:12:27.231 --> 00:12:28.521 Brandon Giella: that sounds really difficult, 00:12:28.731 --> 00:12:29.301 Paul Spencer: Yeah, of 00:12:29.331 --> 00:12:30.201 Brandon Giella: but, but that's the point. 00:12:30.201 --> 00:12:34.851 It takes work and I'm, I'm, I'm curious like what your thoughts 00:12:34.851 --> 00:12:37.341 are on, like, this is really tough. 00:12:37.371 --> 00:12:40.011 I mean, I, I'm, I'm going to a counselor on Thursday. 00:12:40.011 --> 00:12:45.621 I, I'm in therapy, you know, because to do this kind of like really intense soul 00:12:45.621 --> 00:12:49.881 work, especially as a business owner, um. 00:12:50.721 --> 00:12:54.051 That is not easy, and this is not something you can just like 00:12:54.081 --> 00:12:57.021 do overnight and here's the six step plan to do this and that. 00:12:57.021 --> 00:13:01.401 I mean, it takes years of really plumbing the depth of who you are as a person 00:13:01.581 --> 00:13:05.991 and how that affects you as a father, as a mother, as a business owner. 00:13:06.741 --> 00:13:08.571 Um, so talk to me a little bit about that. 00:13:08.571 --> 00:13:10.311 Maybe, maybe that's a good place to start as like. 00:13:11.391 --> 00:13:15.831 Where, where do you even begin to like find where your faith is and 00:13:15.831 --> 00:13:20.571 like who you are as a person in this day, as an owner, as a, as a person. 00:13:20.571 --> 00:13:23.991 Trying to just navigate the complexities of the world right now. 00:13:24.341 --> 00:13:24.741 Paul Spencer: Yeah. 00:13:24.771 --> 00:13:27.831 Uh, well, I think that's, that's different for each person. 00:13:28.671 --> 00:13:30.831 Um, but I would say that, uh. 00:13:33.876 --> 00:13:38.166 The gift of awareness right, is a miracle in our lives, right? 00:13:38.706 --> 00:13:45.126 Um, and so just by hearing the first several minutes of what we've been 00:13:45.126 --> 00:13:48.276 talking about is the gift of awareness. 00:13:48.921 --> 00:13:49.001 Brandon Giella: Hmm. 00:13:49.356 --> 00:13:53.076 Paul Spencer: And so now it's been, um. 00:13:54.621 --> 00:13:58.251 Articulated in a way, and maybe you don't quite get it, but you hear it. 00:13:59.001 --> 00:14:03.651 Um, and you know in your heart where your, where your faith is, 00:14:04.206 --> 00:14:04.296 Brandon Giella: Hmm. 00:14:04.401 --> 00:14:04.701 Paul Spencer: right? 00:14:04.941 --> 00:14:07.191 And you may be agnostic, right? 00:14:07.191 --> 00:14:14.241 You may be an atheist, you may be a a, uh, um, may a passive believer, or you 00:14:14.241 --> 00:14:19.461 may be a strong believer, um, but you know in your heart, because God gives 00:14:19.461 --> 00:14:22.041 us that consciousness in our heart. 00:14:22.866 --> 00:14:25.296 To know where we stand, right? 00:14:25.896 --> 00:14:32.016 Um, and so that's the awareness that hope to give to you, anybody who's 00:14:32.016 --> 00:14:37.236 listening, and then it's up to you to understand what that means for you. 00:14:37.926 --> 00:14:44.046 Um, and, uh, I would say, and even maybe even challenge 00:14:44.046 --> 00:14:45.456 you, that you know what it is. 00:14:45.486 --> 00:14:45.906 You know the 00:14:45.906 --> 00:14:46.326 answer. 00:14:46.716 --> 00:14:47.331 I don't know the answer. 00:14:47.661 --> 00:14:47.721 Uh, 00:14:48.481 --> 00:14:48.561 Brandon Giella: Hmm, 00:14:48.771 --> 00:14:50.001 Paul Spencer: Brandon doesn't know the answer. 00:14:50.631 --> 00:14:54.321 You know the answer because God has probably told you a number of times, 00:14:54.681 --> 00:14:58.881 um, and whether you are listening or not, you may not have taken the advice. 00:14:59.136 --> 00:14:59.376 Brandon Giella: Hmm. 00:14:59.931 --> 00:15:03.381 Paul Spencer: Um, so and so what does that look like, right? 00:15:03.381 --> 00:15:09.741 Again, that's up to you and your circumstance and, uh, and 00:15:09.741 --> 00:15:14.241 really, uh, again, just saying, you know, you know what it is. 00:15:14.481 --> 00:15:16.311 So that could be, that could look like. 00:15:17.646 --> 00:15:25.926 Um, uh, a long lost friend or relationship or relative, um, that you haven't 00:15:25.926 --> 00:15:30.486 been in touch with in a long time, but it's been on your heart for a long 00:15:30.486 --> 00:15:33.486 time to rekindle that relationship. 00:15:34.236 --> 00:15:34.506 Right? 00:15:34.836 --> 00:15:37.716 And who knows why and who cares? 00:15:37.986 --> 00:15:41.016 The reaction of, hey, never haven't. 00:15:41.496 --> 00:15:42.246 Where have you been? 00:15:42.396 --> 00:15:42.726 Right? 00:15:43.206 --> 00:15:44.391 Um, but. 00:15:44.751 --> 00:15:47.991 Uh, who knows what will open up, right? 00:15:48.291 --> 00:15:49.671 If you follow your heart 00:15:49.926 --> 00:15:50.046 Brandon Giella: Hmm. 00:15:51.021 --> 00:15:56.511 Paul Spencer: and following your heart means that, uh, God has given it to you 00:15:57.621 --> 00:16:02.061 for whatever reason, and who knows what will show up in that, in that time, right? 00:16:02.241 --> 00:16:03.711 So that's, that's one example. 00:16:03.711 --> 00:16:04.306 Another one could be. 00:16:05.691 --> 00:16:10.941 That maybe there's a group, uh, maybe a friend of yours or maybe that something 00:16:10.941 --> 00:16:15.861 that you've seen either in your church or in your business, um, groups, 00:16:16.251 --> 00:16:20.121 networks, uh, that you've been invited to a number of times and you've never 00:16:20.121 --> 00:16:23.811 gone, um, because of whatever reason. 00:16:24.561 --> 00:16:28.731 Um, and maybe it's on your heart that now that you have this gift of 00:16:28.731 --> 00:16:31.371 awareness that you've always felt that. 00:16:32.016 --> 00:16:35.676 You've wanted to go or you should have gone. 00:16:35.976 --> 00:16:36.306 Right. 00:16:36.546 --> 00:16:42.966 And we don't always wanna, should on each other, but, uh, and, and so maybe 00:16:42.966 --> 00:16:45.126 it's now taking that step to go do that. 00:16:45.306 --> 00:16:45.606 Right? 00:16:46.206 --> 00:16:51.396 Um, or maybe it's, you know, I spend a lot of time with lots of different 00:16:51.396 --> 00:16:54.276 people, lots of different groups. 00:16:54.576 --> 00:16:57.816 Um, I have good relationships, but you know, Paul, I don't 00:16:57.816 --> 00:16:59.346 have any time for myself. 00:17:00.891 --> 00:17:06.351 And, uh, and so maybe there's some alone time that you can give yourself. 00:17:06.921 --> 00:17:10.971 Um, and that one's a little harder because, uh, the one, the other 00:17:10.971 --> 00:17:14.961 ones I described are kind of in your heart, meaning you have this kind 00:17:14.961 --> 00:17:18.471 of tug that maybe I missed out or something, or I really wanna do that. 00:17:18.471 --> 00:17:25.491 But I, um, where the things for yourself are a little harder to, to realize. 00:17:26.241 --> 00:17:31.971 Uh, but again, the gift of awareness right now is, uh, there 00:17:31.971 --> 00:17:33.681 can be some time for yourself. 00:17:34.311 --> 00:17:40.881 Go for a walk, read a book, drive away somewhere, and sit on a park bench, right? 00:17:41.151 --> 00:17:42.681 And just give yourself some time. 00:17:43.311 --> 00:17:43.431 Brandon Giella: Hmm. 00:17:44.121 --> 00:17:47.541 Paul Spencer: Um, and that, those are things that silence, right? 00:17:47.601 --> 00:17:50.751 Reflection, those are all spiritual. 00:17:51.351 --> 00:17:58.431 Methods, um, of increasing your faith and just, just, just relaxing. 00:17:58.791 --> 00:17:59.091 Right. 00:17:59.901 --> 00:18:01.976 Um, so those are, those are a few things that come to mind. 00:18:02.376 --> 00:18:02.646 Brandon Giella: Hmm. 00:18:03.336 --> 00:18:04.836 What comes to mind for me is poetry. 00:18:05.606 --> 00:18:05.726 Paul Spencer: Hmm. 00:18:05.976 --> 00:18:10.836 Brandon Giella: What I mean by that is, uh, you can't read poetry quickly. 00:18:11.766 --> 00:18:18.096 You have to sit and stop and look at the words and let them kind of sit with 00:18:18.096 --> 00:18:20.016 you, and you have to mole 'em over. 00:18:20.316 --> 00:18:21.801 You know, you can't read it like you would an email. 00:18:22.061 --> 00:18:22.481 Paul Spencer: Mm-hmm. 00:18:23.496 --> 00:18:26.496 Brandon Giella: And there's this great book by a guy named John 00:18:26.496 --> 00:18:29.856 Mark Comer, and it's called The Ruthless Elimination of Hurry. 00:18:30.366 --> 00:18:32.526 And he says that Hurry is not of the devil. 00:18:32.556 --> 00:18:33.786 Hurry is the devil. 00:18:33.971 --> 00:18:34.091 Paul Spencer: Hmm, 00:18:34.506 --> 00:18:35.766 Brandon Giella: And he's quoting somebody else. 00:18:35.766 --> 00:18:38.946 But he's got this great thing called practicing the Way that talks about 00:18:38.946 --> 00:18:44.106 silence and Sabbath and solitude and all these practices of, of the spiritual life. 00:18:44.316 --> 00:18:51.006 But my, your, your point on awareness makes me think that you have to stop. 00:18:51.756 --> 00:18:56.136 Moving for a minute to be able to have that awareness. 00:18:56.166 --> 00:19:00.606 Like there's all these things that are going on outside, inside, you 00:19:00.606 --> 00:19:03.726 know, in your soul, in your heart and your mind, but also around you. 00:19:03.726 --> 00:19:06.576 I've got a two and a half year old and a five week old baby. 00:19:06.576 --> 00:19:07.836 I've got my wife and 00:19:08.466 --> 00:19:10.086 a business, thank you. 00:19:10.986 --> 00:19:16.656 But the, if you, but it is very, very difficult to slow down. 00:19:17.151 --> 00:19:22.761 To make space and margin in your life, especially as a business owner, to be 00:19:22.761 --> 00:19:27.141 able to even begin to think about and have the awareness and the presence of 00:19:27.141 --> 00:19:32.301 mine to sit with your own thoughts and your own being who you are on the inside. 00:19:32.721 --> 00:19:37.641 I think it was Blaze Pascal that said that the, the, the stem of the chief problem 00:19:37.701 --> 00:19:41.271 of for all men is that they're not able to sit in the room quietly by themselves. 00:19:41.541 --> 00:19:45.892 And I, and I think there's something to that and how do you even begin to like. 00:19:46.446 --> 00:19:48.096 Stop and slow down. 00:19:48.096 --> 00:19:50.826 When you're running a business, you're, you're, you know, you've got a family, 00:19:50.826 --> 00:19:54.816 you've got a spouse and kids, and you got baseball practice on Thursday, 00:19:54.816 --> 00:19:55.971 and you gotta run and do, you know, 00:19:56.241 --> 00:19:56.461 Paul Spencer: Yep. 00:19:57.306 --> 00:19:57.518 Brandon Giella: you know, you 00:19:57.523 --> 00:19:58.566 just drum yourself up. 00:19:58.626 --> 00:19:59.466 How do you stop? 00:19:59.841 --> 00:20:00.081 Paul Spencer: Yeah. 00:20:00.081 --> 00:20:03.351 So there's a, there's a thing that probably most of you have 00:20:03.351 --> 00:20:08.151 seen, um, especially if you work with me, is the wheel of Life 00:20:08.391 --> 00:20:08.991 Brandon Giella: I, yeah. 00:20:09.141 --> 00:20:11.181 Paul Spencer: on there, like, it's a, it's a wheel. 00:20:11.181 --> 00:20:14.541 And then each spoke is a 1-10 right? 00:20:14.541 --> 00:20:17.966 And then it has fitness, um, maybe. 00:20:18.981 --> 00:20:25.941 Intimate relationships, friendships, um, spiritual life, um, business life, right? 00:20:25.941 --> 00:20:27.981 There's a whole slew of things that go around there. 00:20:28.041 --> 00:20:32.151 And the concept of it is you score yourself as a snapshot in time, right? 00:20:32.631 --> 00:20:36.711 And if you have some eights and some nines and some sevens and 00:20:36.711 --> 00:20:39.291 some sixes and a four, and then 00:20:39.291 --> 00:20:42.531 some eight and a nine, and you draw the wheel, you can see 00:20:42.531 --> 00:20:44.121 that you got a flat tire, right? 00:20:44.121 --> 00:20:45.831 And if you're to roll that wheel, it'd go. 00:20:46.741 --> 00:20:47.161 Brandon Giella: Mm-hmm. 00:20:47.491 --> 00:20:49.891 Paul Spencer: So it gives you an opportunity to, again, create some 00:20:49.891 --> 00:20:56.491 awareness to say, oh, look, you know, in my spiritual life, maybe there's, 00:20:56.551 --> 00:20:58.771 maybe there's more things that I can do. 00:20:59.071 --> 00:21:04.141 Because, uh, it's very natural actually for all of us to say, 00:21:04.501 --> 00:21:05.761 geez, I want to go to the gym. 00:21:05.941 --> 00:21:06.991 I wanna go for a walk. 00:21:06.991 --> 00:21:07.981 I wanna ride the bike. 00:21:07.981 --> 00:21:09.241 I wanna get in better shape. 00:21:09.421 --> 00:21:14.191 And so we can create that, those goals, right? 00:21:14.221 --> 00:21:14.701 And, and. 00:21:16.071 --> 00:21:19.491 Business, I gotta be able to have one-on-ones and I gotta make sure I get a 00:21:19.491 --> 00:21:23.331 board and think about all these strategic things that I'm gonna do with my business. 00:21:23.331 --> 00:21:26.931 And, um, I'm gonna take Mandy out for dinner once a month. 00:21:26.931 --> 00:21:32.121 And those are tangible things that we can implement, if you wanna call it that, 00:21:32.331 --> 00:21:34.971 to, to make our wheel a little smoother. 00:21:35.301 --> 00:21:38.811 The, the one thing that's more intangible that you just described 00:21:38.841 --> 00:21:40.641 is the spiritual side of things. 00:21:41.301 --> 00:21:45.891 Right, which is, it does force you to, to slow down 00:21:46.491 --> 00:21:50.601 in order to get that, move that number up, 00:21:51.201 --> 00:21:51.561 right? 00:21:51.861 --> 00:21:56.631 You have to intentionally say, I'm gonna let go today with all 00:21:56.631 --> 00:22:00.081 the things that I have swirling around me in my business, and I'm 00:22:00.646 --> 00:22:00.755 Brandon Giella: Hmm. 00:22:00.846 --> 00:22:00.956 and 00:22:00.956 --> 00:22:05.121 Paul Spencer: I'm gonna take 15 minutes to go pray, right? 00:22:05.421 --> 00:22:09.381 Or I'm gonna take 15 minutes just to go for a walk. 00:22:09.816 --> 00:22:11.286 Outside of the office 00:22:11.736 --> 00:22:15.756 through the beautiful trees and path that we've got in the, in the back 00:22:15.756 --> 00:22:20.586 of our office, which I have never seen because I'm always busy in front 00:22:20.586 --> 00:22:21.876 of the computer and on the phone. 00:22:22.536 --> 00:22:22.866 Right? 00:22:23.136 --> 00:22:31.356 And I can take that 15 minutes, um, to pray, to reflect, to 00:22:31.356 --> 00:22:36.756 relax, and give myself permission not to think about anything. 00:22:37.221 --> 00:22:37.581 Brandon Giella: Hmm. 00:22:38.106 --> 00:22:38.436 Paul Spencer: Right. 00:22:38.736 --> 00:22:42.126 And so when you, when you, your question was, is what does it take? 00:22:42.486 --> 00:22:44.106 It takes courage 00:22:44.721 --> 00:22:45.051 Brandon Giella: Hmm. 00:22:45.541 --> 00:22:45.861 Hmm. 00:22:45.861 --> 00:22:45.941 It 00:22:45.966 --> 00:22:49.626 Paul Spencer: It takes courage to be able to say the business will 00:22:49.626 --> 00:22:54.816 be here tomorrow, the work will be here tomorrow and the next day. 00:22:55.116 --> 00:23:02.586 If I spent the next 24 hours, 72 hours, 120 hours, I will not be done with work. 00:23:03.456 --> 00:23:05.616 There will still be work at the end of that. 00:23:06.276 --> 00:23:06.606 Right. 00:23:06.696 --> 00:23:13.626 And so, um, to have courage, to be able to say, you know what, I'm gonna let that go 00:23:14.076 --> 00:23:18.996 and I'm going to take some time for myself and I'm gonna say, where's my faith? 00:23:19.401 --> 00:23:19.671 Brandon Giella: Hmm. 00:23:20.166 --> 00:23:28.596 Paul Spencer: Um, and you'll be amazed to how much, uh, everything else on that 00:23:28.596 --> 00:23:33.756 wheel goes when you have a high, uh. 00:23:35.166 --> 00:23:37.596 Uh, evaluation of yourself, 00:23:38.026 --> 00:23:38.246 Brandon Giella: Hmm. 00:23:38.526 --> 00:23:41.046 Paul Spencer: of spiritual side of things, right? 00:23:41.256 --> 00:23:42.066 If you, If 00:23:42.066 --> 00:23:46.686 you rate yourself as a 10 or even a 12, right? 00:23:46.686 --> 00:23:49.956 We could go, uh, go to 11, right? 00:23:50.496 --> 00:23:54.366 On our, on our scale and everything else is, is less than that. 00:23:54.816 --> 00:23:59.976 Um, when you have high faith, high spiritual awareness, right? 00:24:00.306 --> 00:24:00.636 Um. 00:24:01.071 --> 00:24:04.131 You have the courage to give yourself that time and that space 00:24:04.131 --> 00:24:05.601 to be able to, to build that up. 00:24:06.261 --> 00:24:08.421 Everything else is much simpler and you 00:24:08.421 --> 00:24:17.481 become different those around you, uh, either at home, um, or in our family, our 00:24:17.481 --> 00:24:19.821 friendships or our work relationships. 00:24:20.301 --> 00:24:23.931 Um, they, uh, they notice a difference in you 00:24:24.381 --> 00:24:24.681 for sure. 00:24:25.361 --> 00:24:25.521 Yeah. 00:24:26.286 --> 00:24:27.096 Brandon Giella: Can confirm. 00:24:27.666 --> 00:24:32.856 I, I want to emphasize this is not for the people who read 00:24:32.856 --> 00:24:34.296 poetry on a Tuesday afternoon. 00:24:34.926 --> 00:24:35.436 This is for. 00:24:36.726 --> 00:24:38.256 People that are running businesses. 00:24:38.286 --> 00:24:40.626 I mean, I've, I've got an insurance application I need to 00:24:40.626 --> 00:24:42.516 fill out for compliance purposes. 00:24:42.516 --> 00:24:48.876 I've got 101 emails in my inbox, and among them are a private equity deal. 00:24:48.876 --> 00:24:50.316 I've gotta get back to clients. 00:24:50.316 --> 00:24:51.876 I gotta put plans together. 00:24:52.326 --> 00:24:53.496 I'm running a team. 00:24:53.736 --> 00:24:56.256 You know, there's, there's, and for you, I know there's a 00:24:56.256 --> 00:24:57.636 million things you need to do. 00:24:57.636 --> 00:25:00.636 There's millions of dollars at stake for the leaders listening and, and, 00:25:00.756 --> 00:25:02.301 and, and their families and, and. 00:25:02.576 --> 00:25:04.496 Putting business, you know, put putting 00:25:05.036 --> 00:25:06.716 bread on the table because of their businesses. 00:25:08.156 --> 00:25:17.156 And yet the spiritual, quiet soul work is actually some of the most 00:25:17.156 --> 00:25:20.246 important things they could be doing for their business, for their families. 00:25:21.351 --> 00:25:21.621 Paul Spencer: Yeah. 00:25:21.831 --> 00:25:22.011 Yeah. 00:25:22.011 --> 00:25:28.011 When we do, when we do executive coaching, um, nine times outta 10, 00:25:28.491 --> 00:25:31.461 uh, it goes back to time for yourself. 00:25:31.946 --> 00:25:32.246 Brandon Giella: Hmm. 00:25:33.246 --> 00:25:38.466 Paul Spencer: Uh, so, uh, how do they, how do I become an, uh, an effective leader? 00:25:38.466 --> 00:25:40.476 How do I become more efficient in my work? 00:25:40.476 --> 00:25:43.206 How do I handle all the things that you're just talking about? 00:25:43.626 --> 00:25:48.996 There are tools and tactics and different ways of having conversations, but in 00:25:48.996 --> 00:25:53.376 the end, the question is, is how much time are you you providing for yourself? 00:25:53.766 --> 00:25:55.271 And really that most of the time. 00:25:56.236 --> 00:25:58.456 The answer is, I don't know what you're talking about. 00:25:58.546 --> 00:26:00.136 What do you mean time for myself? 00:26:00.166 --> 00:26:02.596 Like, that's not even a consideration. 00:26:03.136 --> 00:26:05.776 Um, but that's, that's where you start. 00:26:06.766 --> 00:26:11.056 And then that goes back to right, once you have some more time, you have some 00:26:11.056 --> 00:26:15.166 more reflection, then you can start asking yourself, where's my faith? 00:26:16.126 --> 00:26:20.206 Uh, because it's at that point in time where you can really start 00:26:20.206 --> 00:26:22.696 to see what's going on around you. 00:26:23.301 --> 00:26:23.661 Right. 00:26:23.841 --> 00:26:25.701 How are you leading your family? 00:26:26.451 --> 00:26:27.951 How are your kids? 00:26:28.641 --> 00:26:30.141 What is their wellbeing? 00:26:30.801 --> 00:26:31.161 Right? 00:26:31.281 --> 00:26:33.111 How are the people around me? 00:26:33.111 --> 00:26:37.611 From a coworker perspective, if you can slow that down by having some 00:26:37.611 --> 00:26:41.691 time for yourself, you'll start to see those things around you, right? 00:26:42.021 --> 00:26:47.391 And then, uh, your faith will, will play a lot into, uh, how you, how you handle 00:26:47.661 --> 00:26:49.221 where you wanna go with those things. 00:26:52.086 --> 00:26:54.816 Brandon Giella: With the last few minutes that we have left, how do 00:26:54.816 --> 00:27:00.456 you see these practices, even if you will, and thinking about our faith 00:27:00.966 --> 00:27:05.286 in the future of how it affects people's businesses, the resilience? 00:27:05.526 --> 00:27:07.656 I mean, we've talked before about ai. 00:27:07.716 --> 00:27:12.306 We've talked before about conflicts overseas, about social strife. 00:27:12.306 --> 00:27:14.706 There's a thousand different ways you could take this, but 00:27:15.156 --> 00:27:21.006 what is the value of somebody implementing these practices now for. 00:27:21.351 --> 00:27:25.851 Future benefit amidst this, this age of transition, this kind of like chaotic 00:27:25.851 --> 00:27:27.021 environment we find ourselves in. 00:27:27.276 --> 00:27:29.586 Paul Spencer: Um, it's, it's, well, it's a little bit like 00:27:29.586 --> 00:27:32.556 the matrix, so the more, um, 00:27:36.006 --> 00:27:40.651 the more, uh, so in, uh, when we do the energy coaching. 00:27:41.271 --> 00:27:41.541 Right. 00:27:41.541 --> 00:27:44.961 There's, there's the different levels and, uh, not all of you're gonna 00:27:44.961 --> 00:27:50.211 be familiar with this, but, um, the lower, the lower levels of energy, and 00:27:50.241 --> 00:27:54.861 these are, these are just, it's just a construct to be able to understand how 00:27:54.861 --> 00:27:56.511 you interact with the world and what your 00:27:56.511 --> 00:27:57.861 reactions and motions are. 00:27:58.191 --> 00:28:02.076 So if we think about level one, level one is somebody who is a victim. 00:28:03.336 --> 00:28:05.196 And that energy is very palpable. 00:28:05.316 --> 00:28:07.656 Somebody who says, oh, you know, 00:28:07.736 --> 00:28:08.156 Brandon Giella: Mm-hmm. 00:28:08.436 --> 00:28:08.946 Paul Spencer: like, ugh. 00:28:09.426 --> 00:28:11.016 It's always happens to me. 00:28:11.136 --> 00:28:11.556 Brandon Giella: Mm-hmm. 00:28:11.976 --> 00:28:15.876 Paul Spencer: no matter what, oh yeah, and then, and then you are never gonna believe 00:28:15.876 --> 00:28:17.676 this, but this happened to me again. 00:28:17.686 --> 00:28:17.766 Brandon Giella: Hmm. 00:28:18.001 --> 00:28:19.531 Paul Spencer: And of course, right. 00:28:19.741 --> 00:28:23.431 And then you have the, the other energy level, which is also a 00:28:23.431 --> 00:28:26.761 low resonating, which means it takes energy away from people. 00:28:26.761 --> 00:28:29.791 When you interact with somebody like that, it's okay. 00:28:29.791 --> 00:28:34.771 It's not wrong necessarily, and you can give them some empathy 00:28:34.771 --> 00:28:38.491 and some compassion, but if that's the way that they live, it's very 00:28:38.491 --> 00:28:39.556 draining for the other person. 00:28:40.536 --> 00:28:40.866 Right. 00:28:41.256 --> 00:28:45.606 Um, another one that's very draining is somebody who is very aggressive, right. 00:28:45.606 --> 00:28:47.436 Maybe more conflict oriented. 00:28:47.796 --> 00:28:50.376 Um, somebody who has more anger. 00:28:50.676 --> 00:28:54.336 So instead of saying, oh yeah, it's, it's more like, I can't 00:28:54.336 --> 00:28:55.806 believe this is happening to me. 00:28:55.926 --> 00:28:56.256 Right. 00:28:56.376 --> 00:28:57.606 People are crazy. 00:28:57.816 --> 00:29:00.246 I, I am not putting up with this anymore. 00:29:00.366 --> 00:29:02.286 And if you're, if you're getting in the way. 00:29:02.831 --> 00:29:05.531 I'm gonna take you down with me and there's no way you're 00:29:05.531 --> 00:29:06.761 gonna talk to me that way. 00:29:06.761 --> 00:29:11.741 There's no way you're gonna, and no matter what happens in their lives, it's always 00:29:11.741 --> 00:29:15.731 a conflict and you're never gonna beat that person, and that's their mentality. 00:29:15.911 --> 00:29:18.371 You cannot beat me even if I have to. 00:29:19.011 --> 00:29:20.721 Like just go at you. 00:29:20.991 --> 00:29:21.321 Right. 00:29:21.351 --> 00:29:25.401 And that's very draining to be able, and again, not wrong in certain 00:29:25.401 --> 00:29:27.441 situations and certain times of life, 00:29:27.711 --> 00:29:32.271 but if it's the way you are, it just sucks the life out of everybody else. 00:29:32.271 --> 00:29:33.231 It's just very draining. 00:29:33.261 --> 00:29:33.561 Right. 00:29:33.951 --> 00:29:37.101 So when you're, again, going back to the faith idea. 00:29:37.836 --> 00:29:44.586 Is more of a, a, a faith is, a high faith is that things happen around you 00:29:44.886 --> 00:29:50.886 kinda in this matrix way and you're more, uh, you have a better coping 00:29:51.676 --> 00:29:51.796 Brandon Giella: Hmm. 00:29:51.936 --> 00:29:52.776 Paul Spencer: what's going on. 00:29:52.776 --> 00:29:56.706 Not that, it's, not that it doesn't matter, but you have different, you 00:29:56.706 --> 00:30:02.376 have a different hope and faith lens about why things are happening, and 00:30:02.376 --> 00:30:05.586 even if you don't understand why they're happening and it's terrible. 00:30:06.636 --> 00:30:09.696 Just take the, the floods in, in Texas, right? 00:30:10.356 --> 00:30:14.016 And that counter of deaths with the, especially with the children, 00:30:14.316 --> 00:30:15.726 is just heartbreaking. 00:30:16.086 --> 00:30:16.446 Right. 00:30:16.986 --> 00:30:21.096 Um, and you don't need understand why, and you, you actually read the news 00:30:21.096 --> 00:30:25.446 and now it's like, uh, who's, who's gonna be held accountable for this? 00:30:25.451 --> 00:30:25.491 And 00:30:25.776 --> 00:30:26.106 Right. 00:30:26.166 --> 00:30:29.676 And we're talking about, uh, something that likely is not 00:30:30.156 --> 00:30:31.836 all that preventable, right? 00:30:32.136 --> 00:30:35.076 Maybe there could have been different decisions, but at the time. 00:30:35.391 --> 00:30:35.751 Yeah. 00:30:35.841 --> 00:30:42.471 And so, uh, do I still have faith and hope in the world, even though that happened? 00:30:44.481 --> 00:30:46.371 That's where your faith comes in, right? 00:30:46.821 --> 00:30:53.301 Uh, if I lose hopelessness and I get angry and I become a, or I become a victim of 00:30:53.301 --> 00:30:57.921 what's going on, it's like, uh, well, you know, I might be taken away in the next. 00:30:58.296 --> 00:30:59.106 Catastrophic 00:30:59.151 --> 00:30:59.481 Brandon Giella: Hmm. 00:30:59.976 --> 00:31:03.276 Paul Spencer: uh, it's not gonna serve you and it's not gonna serve those around you. 00:31:03.396 --> 00:31:10.386 And so when you have a strong faith, you have more of a understanding of how 00:31:10.386 --> 00:31:16.326 you cope with it and how you pray for those people, how you pray for yourself, 00:31:16.656 --> 00:31:19.836 um, and you leave it up to our father. 00:31:20.736 --> 00:31:21.996 It's not up to us. 00:31:22.401 --> 00:31:27.051 No matter how much we press on it and get angry about it or whatever else, 00:31:27.561 --> 00:31:30.411 it's up to him and we, we, we let it go. 00:31:30.531 --> 00:31:30.861 Right? 00:31:31.071 --> 00:31:37.131 And if we can let it go and let him have it and let Jesus take 00:31:37.131 --> 00:31:42.051 it, then that is a big difference in how we operate in our lives. 00:31:43.396 --> 00:31:43.686 Brandon Giella: Amen. 00:31:45.396 --> 00:31:46.246 I'll leave it with that. 00:31:48.546 --> 00:31:49.226 I think this is. 00:31:49.986 --> 00:31:53.916 Some of your most important work, and I, and I'm, I'm saying this now, you know, 00:31:56.646 --> 00:31:59.826 realizing how difficult it is to just be 00:32:02.346 --> 00:32:09.036 a business owner in this world, a father, a husband, and I can do all the 00:32:09.036 --> 00:32:13.176 technical, tactical things in the world, but if I don't have this, what you're 00:32:13.176 --> 00:32:18.451 describing as faith and this kind of centered being, I don't have anything. 00:32:19.896 --> 00:32:20.976 Paul Spencer: Yes, that's right. 00:32:21.096 --> 00:32:23.916 And like you said, right, it takes work, it 00:32:23.916 --> 00:32:26.526 takes discipline, and it takes others. 00:32:26.526 --> 00:32:28.686 You can't, it's very difficult to do it by yourself, 00:32:28.716 --> 00:32:31.476 and really it's hard to do it by yourself. 00:32:31.476 --> 00:32:33.396 And this is one of the. 00:32:33.831 --> 00:32:36.141 Um, one of the capitals that we talked about, 00:32:36.361 --> 00:32:36.761 Brandon Giella: We 00:32:36.761 --> 00:32:36.971 talked 00:32:37.041 --> 00:32:40.791 Paul Spencer: about intellectual capital, social capital, right? 00:32:40.911 --> 00:32:42.711 Spiritual capital. 00:32:43.431 --> 00:32:46.431 And without the spiritual capital, it's very difficult 00:32:46.731 --> 00:32:47.571 to move through there. 00:32:47.811 --> 00:32:51.351 You can be an academic, you can have a high intellectual capital, 00:32:51.591 --> 00:32:53.871 very smart, very knowledgeable. 00:32:54.231 --> 00:32:57.231 Um, but you, in order to gain a lot of wisdom, you have 00:32:57.231 --> 00:32:59.271 to have spiritual capital. 00:32:59.316 --> 00:33:01.836 You have to have spiritual capital. 00:33:02.196 --> 00:33:06.486 Um, and you can have social groups, high social network, high social 00:33:06.486 --> 00:33:09.516 capital, um, without spiritual capital. 00:33:09.996 --> 00:33:14.286 Um, you tend to wonder are those, are those social networks really 00:33:14.286 --> 00:33:16.416 serving me and serving others? 00:33:16.866 --> 00:33:17.166 Right. 00:33:17.616 --> 00:33:20.316 Um, so it, it, it's, it feeds into all of that. 00:33:20.616 --> 00:33:21.036 Brandon Giella: That's right. 00:33:21.096 --> 00:33:21.486 That's right. 00:33:21.876 --> 00:33:24.696 You can be humbled if you don't have the spiritual capital. 00:33:24.696 --> 00:33:27.456 You can have all the intellectual or financial or social capital in the world, 00:33:27.456 --> 00:33:30.426 and if you don't have the spiritual, you can be humbled very quickly. 00:33:30.516 --> 00:33:31.116 That can go away. 00:33:31.386 --> 00:33:31.836 Paul Spencer: Or Yeah. 00:33:31.836 --> 00:33:32.046 Yeah. 00:33:32.046 --> 00:33:32.556 You're, yeah. 00:33:32.556 --> 00:33:34.506 You, you lack the ability to be humble. 00:33:34.506 --> 00:33:34.836 Brandon Giella: Yeah. 00:33:35.046 --> 00:33:35.346 Yeah. 00:33:35.526 --> 00:33:36.876 Paul Spencer: and pride and ego takeover. 00:33:37.746 --> 00:33:39.516 Brandon Giella: That's right, Paul. 00:33:39.516 --> 00:33:40.176 Thank you. 00:33:40.176 --> 00:33:43.146 I, I would love to keep talking about this and I know we'll have some, some 00:33:43.146 --> 00:33:45.306 more resources coming out, um, about it. 00:33:45.306 --> 00:33:49.296 But, uh, I, I highly encourage anybody listening to, to 00:33:49.296 --> 00:33:50.051 reach out to Paul and talk. 00:33:50.646 --> 00:33:53.136 With him about these things that we've talked about it personally, 00:33:53.256 --> 00:33:54.726 uh, many times over the years. 00:33:54.726 --> 00:33:59.526 And, um, it's always like coming back to like the most important things in life. 00:33:59.706 --> 00:34:02.046 And so I, I highly recommend reaching out to Paul and, and 00:34:02.496 --> 00:34:03.366 working through these things. 00:34:03.366 --> 00:34:04.956 And I know we'll talk about it again in the future. 00:34:04.986 --> 00:34:07.836 'cause we are in that age of transition where it's becoming 00:34:07.836 --> 00:34:09.636 increasingly, increasingly important. 00:34:10.236 --> 00:34:12.576 So Paul, thank you and we'll talk again soon. 00:34:12.986 --> 00:34:13.376 Paul Spencer: All right. 00:34:13.766 --> 00:34:14.426 Check you later.