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mythology of lucha mystery tonight on the

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draws it and lives it from winnipeg

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manitoba

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Work in the indie comic circuit since two

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thousand and two.

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Writer, artist,

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freelancer for Antarctic Press,

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Dynamite Entertainment, Marcosia,

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Big Bang Comics, and a ton more.

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Now published by Studio Comics Press.

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This is Evan Quirin.

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Quirin?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You got it.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Metal Slug Nerds is now in session.

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Evan, welcome to the USDM podcast,

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my dude.

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Oh, hi.

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Thanks for having me.

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You told me the Qui-Gon gin thing and

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I knew immediately.

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Yeah,

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it's the best way to remember my last

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name.

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Just think of Qui-Gon and yeah.

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I'll drink to that.

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Exactly, man.

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I think we're both on the coffee fit

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tonight, man.

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Yeah.

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So you've been working indie comics, man,

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since two thousand and two.

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What originally pulled you into comic

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books and creating comics?

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Oh, what what what?

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I just always I guess since I was

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able to learn how to read,

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I was just really into comics.

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So I guess like watching Spider-Man and

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his amazing friends on comics.

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On Saturday morning,

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cartoons really got me into it.

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And then I just liked it so much

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that I was reading more and more.

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And then I was like,

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I'd really like to do this.

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And I saw a documentary.

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I think it was like in nineteen ninety.

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It was called.

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What was it called now?

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Great.

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Now I'm drawing a complete blank.

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I saw a documentary.

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It was called confidential.

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There we go.

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And I've been up for hours.

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And so I can't put confidential.

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And I saw that commercial, the five,

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a one commercial with Rob Liefeld,

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like doing.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And I was like, wow,

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you can actually like have a job at

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this.

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So yeah, that's what, that's amazing.

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Right.

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I'm sorry.

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So that's amazing.

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Right.

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That you can make.

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Yeah.

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So yeah, that,

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that really inspired me like when I was

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a,

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so I was around

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twelve or thirteen plus the batman eighty

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nine came out around that time so i

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was like really into that uh that really

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influenced me um and then in two thousand

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one i got uh went to san diego

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and i was just looking for work and

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uh i guess got some uh work with

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us a guy named a david lewis who

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was writing um a book called uh mortal

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coils and he uh

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He was like, yeah, I got some work.

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And then also this was two thousand one.

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So he's living in Washington, D.C.

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So around September of two thousand one,

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there's a really horrible event that

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happened.

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So I remember very clearly.

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Yeah, really not great.

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And, you know, for anyone, seriously.

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So he emailed me and said, hey,

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got to you know do you want to

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draw my experience of what happened on

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that day so uh i did that as

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well for um alternative comics so yeah

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that's how i kind of got my start

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was um i guess drawing the twin towers

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burning dude that's uh yeah yeah man

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that's that's uh like yesterday for me

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yeah yeah yeah yeah

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It's crazy now that it's taught in history

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books,

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but being there and living that life is

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still like yesterday for me.

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Yeah,

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I really hope we as a society or

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anyone in any part

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Oh, a hundred percent.

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A hundred percent.

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But growing up in Winnipeg, Manitoba,

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what kind of art or pop culture shaped

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you early on outside of Chris Jericho's

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influence?

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Great.

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Actually,

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he was a good influence because it's like,

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hey,

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he's from Winnipeg and he's really making

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it.

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And he reminds you every single time.

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You idiot!

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Winnipeg, you idiot!

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Well, that and I guess...

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That's really good, actually.

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Yeah, thanks.

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Finding out that Roddy Piper's from

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Winnipeg really was an influence.

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Um, cause he got his start in Winnipeg.

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Who else?

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Um, well there was, um, I guess, uh,

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there was a convention I get in one

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that I attended where I volunteered at and

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there's, uh, got to meet some real, uh,

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like comic book artists, like Steve Rude,

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Stan Sakai, uh, were there.

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That's a good one, man.

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He's still going strong.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Like Ken Stacy was there, uh,

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Laverne Konczerski started the coloring

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house digital chameleon.

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In the mid-nineties till about the early

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two thousand so that those Oh George

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Freeman who drew a Captain Canuck But he's

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also like a Marvel Comics artist.

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So yeah,

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they're a Friend of mine Darren Maronick

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was like an underground cartoonist and I'm

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pretty sure everyone has seen his artwork

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everywhere so there's a good mix of

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of artists at the time when I was

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younger.

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And so I just go and, you know,

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call them up and ask them questions or

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what have you.

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That's good to have that to lean on

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though.

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And having people that you can reach out

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to and be like, Hey,

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what would you do in this kind of

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situation?

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Or, Hey, I have this,

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what do you think?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's like, I have this,

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what do you think?

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They tear me a new one,

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but it was good.

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Hey, you know, that's how you grow,

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though, and that's how you learn.

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Hey, I learned how to take a critique,

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if anything, and I didn't argue.

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I just went back to the drawing table.

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I actually had – there was another artist,

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a Marvel artist,

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living here in Winnipeg in around two

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thousand one, two thousand two.

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His name was Igor Korday.

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He drew X-Men.

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He was originally from Croatia,

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but he was living here for a time.

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So, yeah, he –

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You know, I'd go show him my comics.

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He'd say, this is horrible.

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And, you know, he'd say,

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this is what you did right.

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Yeah, it's like,

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this is what you did right.

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This is what you did wrong.

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This is what you do next.

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Okay.

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And then we'd, like, go for a beer.

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So it was pretty fun.

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That's how it works, man.

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Yeah.

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So being a writer wasn't enough for you.

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You also had to draw as well.

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Yeah.

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Like, why both?

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And why not one or the other?

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Yeah, good question.

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Well...

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Okay, how do I put this?

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Okay, so even when I was a kid,

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I always did little cartoons because I

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really liked Mad Magazine.

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So I'd read Sergio Aragonese cartoons,

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so I could sort of imitate that.

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And I just thought Mad was really an

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influence on me.

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There's also,

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Winnipeg had a lot of independent

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animators.

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So there was this one indie film called

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The Big Snit.

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this couple are playing Scrabble,

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but there's also like a nuclear war going

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on outside, but they're totally oblivious,

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because they're kind of idiotic, so.

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I think it's competitive, man.

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Yeah, so that was,

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so I tried drawing like those style

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cartoons.

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uh there was like a another cartoon called

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cat came back which had like so i

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was more of a cartoony kind of guy

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and then i thought well be a cartoonist

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but then um i started doing comics and

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i was like well maybe i'll write novels

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or you know just be a writer but

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then i'm like well i can kind of

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draw um so i was like you know

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i'd like to draw but my skill level

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is not there and just as luck would

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have it i was going to a local

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comic store and there was like a little

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ad at the you know checkout uh counter

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or whatever and uh

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It was an ad for this local artist.

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His name was Bill McMahon.

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And he would give art lessons,

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specifically how to draw comics.

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Oh, that's really cool.

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Yeah.

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I asked my folks and said, hey,

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can I do this?

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And they're like, okay.

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So we gave him a call to make

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sure it wasn't like a pervert or anything

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like that.

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At least they called to double check.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And yeah,

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so I got some instruction that way.

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For the most part, it was self-taught.

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But yeah, Bill really helped sort of form

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taught me how to think differently than

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what I was originally doing.

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So, yeah, but it's just that,

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so I like to write and draw and

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I just, yeah,

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I thought it was doing both and eventually

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just wanted to do, it's like,

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I just got to do everything, so.

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You're doing it well, man.

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Thank you.

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Like you sent me over,

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I think about almost, you know,

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everything you had, I guess.

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And dude, they're fun reads.

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The art's amazing.

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Like they're,

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they're both really fun books,

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the ones you sent over to me.

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And I was just like, dude,

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these are books that I love to read

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because they're fun.

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They're full of energy.

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The art just top notch, you know,

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and it's, it's not,

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you can tell you take it serious.

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without taking yourself serious with it,

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if that makes sense at all.

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You hit the nail on the head right

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there.

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I'll take life seriously.

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I can never take myself seriously.

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You hit it right there, man.

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Your books are awesome.

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Oh, thank you.

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Like I said,

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I was literally rereading some of them

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before I jumped on to get ready for

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the show just because you sent them to

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me.

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i read them and then usually like the

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day prior or the day of i usually

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go back and read some more just because

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i like this i just like to read

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them and then like re-familiarize myself

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with them again before we go live that

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way everything's still kind of fresh and

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emphasized in my head right but um so

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what was that early seemed like for you

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in the early two thousands when you first

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got started

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Um, okay.

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That's the year, like,

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everything kind of was, like,

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it almost came to a screaming halt that

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year from an indie perspective.

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Yeah, um, so I guess...

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I had, well, here's the thing.

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So back in like the late nineties,

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there was,

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I didn't have a computer or anything like

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that.

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And I was really not, you know,

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internet savvy or anything like that.

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So I was still like going to the

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library and getting books on like how to

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draw and stuff.

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I'd go to, uh,

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I'd go to the local art gallery cause

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they were giving private or, um, sorry,

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they were giving, um, free open studio.

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So you pay like seven bucks and draw

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a model for a couple of hours,

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you know, in different.

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So I was trying to, you know,

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so like really trying to teach myself how

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to, um, draw, um,

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And, you know, learning perspective,

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how to draw cars and buildings and all

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that stuff.

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So just really just kept hitting it,

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you know, like that.

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Then I went to the convention,

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which was kind of like, remember,

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remember that Blind Melon video?

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You remember Blind Melon?

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And there's like that bee girl.

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And at the end of the video,

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she finds like a bunch of other bee

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people just like her.

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That was like me going to San Diego

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because it was like,

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know like it was like uh you know

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i'm like talking to uh you know a

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guy from australia another guy from france

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about the art of steve dicko like i

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mean how cool is that you know this

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is pretty amazing like some of the

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conversations just like being in the world

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of yeah of comic books the and the

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discovering people who like the same

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things you like from different parts of

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the world yeah

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Absolutely.

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My interview I did on Saturday with Snake.

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He's actually from the UK.

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I've had the luxury of interviewing many

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people from the UK now.

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Sabe, who is an artist, he's from Italy.

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So I've gotten to interview him.

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And then VV Collectibles,

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the digital collectibles that you can

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download onto your phone.

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I interviewed their co-CEO who is in New

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Zealand of all places.

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So it's been wild.

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That's just been this year.

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It's been a wild,

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wild year in New Zealand.

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The last few months, I swear,

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I'm not shitting you.

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Almost everybody that has been on outside

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of Matt last week has been from Canada.

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Oh, okay.

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I'm on a Canadian streak right now,

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and I'm not mad about it, dude.

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There's so many great indie comic books

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coming out of Canada right now,

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and I'm here for it.

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I'm here for it.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So let's jump into your first one.

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Let's talk about Murder City Devil.

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Okay.

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Where did this concept for Murder City

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Devil come from?

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Okay, good question.

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Um, so I had, okay, originally,

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back in the

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uh late okay we'll go back to like

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about so i saw the batman movie and

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i had just read killing joke and i

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was really getting into it so good yeah

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right and i was uh getting all influenced

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and i want to do like a crime

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story kind of thing um and uh i

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was really into um you know like uh

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supernatural stories and ghost stories and

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all that stuff so i want to you

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know do that plus

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house i don't know i don't really believe

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in that stuff but you know it's kind

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of like it gets to a point where

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it's kind of like yeah i don't really

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believe it but i'm like for the

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entertainment aspect i totally love that

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stuff um so uh mercy devil there was

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this uh when i was a kid there

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i had read this um like um remember

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like unsolved mysteries the tv show

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oh yeah yeah so i was really into

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that kind of stuff like crime and horror

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like real life kind of stuff um but

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there was like not from unsolved mysteries

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but one of those like books i got

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um i think my mom got like a

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time life book or something and they had

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a character named spring hill jack and he

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was from the and uh i i thought

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when i was a kid i thought this

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thing was like real like there was some

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weird guy jumping around buildings he

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looked like a devil

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terrorizing people and i didn't find out

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until much later due to the interwebs that

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it's like now some writers wrote this up

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on a penny dreadful and it was just

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you know but amazing yeah yeah and uh

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great fiction comes out of those things

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yeah right so um i was really uh

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so i was kind of like um

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I did a mini comic in the mid-nineties

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called Midnight Comics.

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And I had a character in there named

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Nightstick,

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but he kind of looked like Moon Knight.

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So I kind of kept some of the

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same plot points.

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Yeah.

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But then I was like, well,

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instead of having Spring Hill Jack as one

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of the villains in there,

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why don't you have him as the protagonist,

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you know,

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and have him like some guy in his

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mid-forties who's like, you know,

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can't get a job,

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keep a job or whatever.

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Yeah.

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just can't just can't get it his his

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crap together um and he becomes like

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spring hill jack although i don't really

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call him spring hill jack in the book

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i call him like he's nicknamed the murder

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city devil it's just like a myth kind

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of thing so um i was just uh

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wanted to and i had written parts of

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the story like in the nineties and then

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again i'd come back to it and then

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rewrite it rewrite it and then i was

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like

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And since I like Don't Tell Mystery so

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much, I also included,

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I threw in the Mothman,

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but I call him the Midnight Angel.

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What else did I do?

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I don't know if you ever heard of

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the Mad Gasser of Mattoon.

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It's like this apparently murderer in the

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forties in Illinois, but wore a costume.

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So I had that,

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but I made it a woman and called

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her Scarlet Fog.

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Uh,

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what else I put DB Cooper in there,

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but it's called, uh,

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what else did I got in there?

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Like, so basically, uh,

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anyone from like real life kind of like

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true crime or horror that has like worn

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a costume or has like visually looks

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interesting, um,

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in the book or they cross paths,

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but like, I just want to say like,

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I'm not glamorizing true crime.

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Okay.

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I'm trying not to, but I'm just like,

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Yeah, and you really don't.

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I mean, the Murder City Devil, I mean,

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obviously he's portrayed as a...

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I don't want to say he's a good

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guy, but he's not the bad guy either.

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Yeah, he's an anti-hero.

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He definitely chooses not to redeem his

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people.

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Yeah.

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Unless you're redeeming them to their

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makers.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, well, that's the thing, or does he,

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because that's the thing,

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it's kind of a habit that I want

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to have explored the idea of, it's like,

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okay, it's like, you've got these powers,

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what would you do?

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So for me, it's like, I'm tired of,

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like, you know, checking the news,

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and it's like, oh,

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this person is released from this,

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you know, this SO,

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this sex offender is released,

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and it's like, well, why don't we just,

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like, I'm not condoning, I'm just saying,

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why don't we just do,

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this is all

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So, you know, and, you know,

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or do something about that.

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However,

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he doesn't necessarily get the job done.

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He'll find out in later issues.

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And he makes a lot of mistakes.

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You know, he's trying his best,

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but he's really just, like,

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not getting it.

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He's a kid when he first becomes the

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devil, right?

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Like, he's a younger adult.

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Yeah.

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Okay, so, like, in the nineties, like,

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when he's in the funeral home there,

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which is actually based on real experience

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that I had.

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So, like,

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I was like in my twenties and the

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house I lived in at the time was

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by an old cemetery and there was like

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this house beside it and it was boarded

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up and some friends of mine were like,

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let's go check it out and see if

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we can get inside and it's like, yeah,

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what could possibly go wrong?

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I go up there, and then I see,

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like, just, like, in the comic, I see,

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like, all these, like, so weird, like,

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just these, like, stickers on the door of,

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like, crucifixes.

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Like, you buy it, like,

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some Christian bookstore, and I'm just,

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like, to myself, I'm just, like, why?

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What is it?

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And I just felt, like, this weird feeling,

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just, like,

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and I'm not superstitious or anything,

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but I was just kind of, like,

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I don't know if it was a good

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idea.

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And then, so,

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I put that in the book.

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In real life,

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my friend just went inside and looked

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around, and he's, like,

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there's nothing in there, whatever, so.

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Weird thing that happened, though,

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a month later, that house was bulldozed.

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So I have no idea what the hell.

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That's wild.

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Yeah.

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I grew up on a road that had

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a cemetery at the very end of the

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road,

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like a few miles down the road at

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the very end of the cemetery.

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And at least once a year,

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that cemetery would randomly just catch on

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fire.

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i mean i'm pretty sure some drunk kids

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were out there messing around and called

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fire but it was still like a yearly

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thing like if it was getting close to

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the end of the year and the thing

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hadn't caught on fire yet it was kind

00:20:04.281 --> 00:20:06.423
of like how come this thing hasn't caught

00:20:06.442 --> 00:20:09.084
on fire yet yeah and all of a

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sudden they would catch a fire you know

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well where was this it was alabama yeah

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okay okay um yeah um

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Yeah, you kind of wonder, like,

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why it's... But then it's like,

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maybe it's better off not knowing or

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something.

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That's the way I always say it.

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Anytime I get that weird,

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creepy feeling about anything,

00:20:30.338 --> 00:20:30.900
it's not like, eh,

00:20:30.920 --> 00:20:33.121
I'm just going to go the other direction.

00:20:33.141 --> 00:20:34.882
How about I mess with this?

00:20:35.481 --> 00:20:37.202
Yeah, like your internal instinct,

00:20:37.242 --> 00:20:39.203
and you're like, best to listen to it.

00:20:39.344 --> 00:20:41.305
Oh, yeah.

00:20:41.365 --> 00:20:42.046
Oh, yeah.

00:20:42.086 --> 00:20:42.826
Yeah, I had that.

00:20:42.865 --> 00:20:43.786
I put that in the book.

00:20:43.826 --> 00:20:45.487
Wait, where were we getting...

00:20:45.527 --> 00:20:46.387
Where was I going with this?

00:20:47.788 --> 00:20:49.189
We were just exploring, like, the...

00:20:50.730 --> 00:20:51.851
Well, actually,

00:20:51.871 --> 00:20:53.372
you've already basically answered all the

00:20:53.412 --> 00:20:56.491
questions I had for the Murder City Devil,

00:20:56.531 --> 00:20:58.053
which is, like I said,

00:20:58.452 --> 00:20:59.893
I like to ask a question and let

00:20:59.913 --> 00:21:00.252
you go.

00:21:00.272 --> 00:21:00.373
Sure.

00:21:01.314 --> 00:21:02.493
And nine times out of ten,

00:21:02.574 --> 00:21:04.914
all the questions I had planned to ask,

00:21:04.994 --> 00:21:06.154
it answered along the way.

00:21:06.674 --> 00:21:08.134
So I'm just like, shit,

00:21:08.194 --> 00:21:09.776
we can talk about Lucha Mystery now if

00:21:09.796 --> 00:21:10.076
you want to.

00:21:10.096 --> 00:21:10.296
Sure, yeah.

00:21:10.316 --> 00:21:13.376
Okay, well.

00:21:13.416 --> 00:21:14.557
It's a very different flavor.

00:21:16.047 --> 00:21:18.127
from what Murder City Devil is.

00:21:18.188 --> 00:21:20.428
This one is literally all about luchadors.

00:21:20.448 --> 00:21:23.808
It's about the incredible history of

00:21:23.868 --> 00:21:29.770
luchadors with a sci-fi flair to it,

00:21:30.030 --> 00:21:32.071
which is absolutely amazing.

00:21:33.011 --> 00:21:33.932
What inspired that?

00:21:33.991 --> 00:21:35.593
I know you're a big-time wrestling fan.

00:21:35.633 --> 00:21:36.893
We were just talking about wrestling

00:21:36.913 --> 00:21:38.113
before we went live.

00:21:38.634 --> 00:21:39.394
To be fair,

00:21:39.433 --> 00:21:41.114
we probably could have did a whole show

00:21:41.134 --> 00:21:42.154
just talking about the last couple of

00:21:42.174 --> 00:21:42.375
wrestlers.

00:21:44.082 --> 00:21:45.082
But we're not going to do that.

00:21:45.122 --> 00:21:46.762
We're going to talk about Lucha Mystery,

00:21:47.202 --> 00:21:50.963
which is a fun sci-fi luchador adventure

00:21:50.983 --> 00:21:52.084
that is just, like,

00:21:53.244 --> 00:21:54.805
literally out of this world, dude.

00:21:54.845 --> 00:21:56.705
Tell us how you came with this.

00:21:56.986 --> 00:21:59.126
Okay, well, I had always, okay, again,

00:21:59.227 --> 00:21:59.926
late nineties.

00:22:00.586 --> 00:22:02.267
Some friends and I would go to this

00:22:02.728 --> 00:22:05.067
video store called Movie Village,

00:22:05.327 --> 00:22:06.489
and they had, like, all these, like,

00:22:06.528 --> 00:22:08.308
just great selection of, like,

00:22:08.368 --> 00:22:09.430
B-movies and stuff.

00:22:09.450 --> 00:22:11.230
So we'd, like, just go and rent whatever.

00:22:11.250 --> 00:22:11.789
I was like, oh,

00:22:11.849 --> 00:22:13.730
let's rent Brother from Another Planet or

00:22:13.770 --> 00:22:13.931
whatever.

00:22:14.171 --> 00:22:15.011
And like, yeah, why not?

00:22:15.112 --> 00:22:17.173
You know, I'm, you know, uh, checked out.

00:22:17.192 --> 00:22:18.453
So there was like a bunch of, uh,

00:22:18.473 --> 00:22:19.894
I think it was like Santo movies,

00:22:20.015 --> 00:22:22.757
like El Santo movies or what have you.

00:22:22.817 --> 00:22:25.259
And we're just, uh, really into that.

00:22:25.278 --> 00:22:26.219
So I, I,

00:22:26.239 --> 00:22:27.619
I started getting into the Lucha movies.

00:22:27.680 --> 00:22:28.320
Plus at the time,

00:22:28.361 --> 00:22:29.801
like I'm in a band and right now,

00:22:29.821 --> 00:22:31.423
like I'm in a surf band called Ghostfire.

00:22:31.462 --> 00:22:32.163
So, um, yeah.

00:22:33.124 --> 00:22:34.683
I always liked surf music,

00:22:35.045 --> 00:22:37.845
like when you listen or watch Pulp

00:22:37.904 --> 00:22:39.125
Fiction, like the opening song.

00:22:39.145 --> 00:22:39.705
Oh, yeah.

00:22:39.905 --> 00:22:40.165
Oh, yeah.

00:22:40.185 --> 00:22:41.105
Yeah, that kind of stuff.

00:22:41.566 --> 00:22:43.846
So I was getting really into that,

00:22:44.487 --> 00:22:46.548
and I just started drawing luchadors just

00:22:46.587 --> 00:22:48.008
because they're fun and crazy.

00:22:48.167 --> 00:22:51.528
The imagery is amazing for those masks and

00:22:51.548 --> 00:22:53.430
stuff like that.

00:22:53.809 --> 00:22:55.869
The lineage of the mask and stuff,

00:22:55.910 --> 00:22:57.951
like the Mysterio mask and how far it

00:22:57.971 --> 00:22:58.570
goes back.

00:22:58.590 --> 00:23:01.711
I've always been fascinated by that kind

00:23:01.751 --> 00:23:02.152
of stuff.

00:23:02.717 --> 00:23:03.376
Oh yeah, totally.

00:23:03.436 --> 00:23:03.797
Like, I mean,

00:23:03.836 --> 00:23:05.877
Lucha Libre goes back to the thirties,

00:23:05.938 --> 00:23:06.538
I believe.

00:23:06.877 --> 00:23:07.178
Um, yeah.

00:23:07.218 --> 00:23:08.337
And they'll say,

00:23:08.498 --> 00:23:09.798
I think that was like Eddie Gross.

00:23:09.917 --> 00:23:12.578
Father Gory was like Santos tag team

00:23:12.618 --> 00:23:13.118
partner.

00:23:13.159 --> 00:23:16.599
So that's really like history, you know?

00:23:16.660 --> 00:23:19.119
So, um, I thought that was really neat.

00:23:19.220 --> 00:23:20.500
Um, I just really liked, um,

00:23:20.799 --> 00:23:22.681
like I guess Lucha mystery was like my

00:23:22.721 --> 00:23:23.961
homage to like these,

00:23:24.280 --> 00:23:27.382
like just weird ass movies, like, uh,

00:23:27.461 --> 00:23:28.682
monsters and, uh,

00:23:29.767 --> 00:23:33.074
and monsters and like aliens and foxy

00:23:33.134 --> 00:23:34.557
chicks and stuff like that.

00:23:34.576 --> 00:23:35.178
Zombies.

00:23:35.819 --> 00:23:36.079
Yeah.

00:23:36.180 --> 00:23:36.381
Yeah.

00:23:36.441 --> 00:23:36.661
Right.

00:23:36.701 --> 00:23:37.643
So I did that.

00:23:37.722 --> 00:23:39.606
And as a friend of mine, Darren Maronick,

00:23:40.087 --> 00:23:40.449
he was...

00:23:41.500 --> 00:23:43.201
was like a local or is a local

00:23:43.241 --> 00:23:44.722
cartoonist too and he we were you know

00:23:44.762 --> 00:23:46.263
kind of collaborating on some stuff and

00:23:46.765 --> 00:23:48.385
really want to do a lucha book but

00:23:48.405 --> 00:23:49.807
then like darren was going to ink it

00:23:49.847 --> 00:23:51.449
but just had other projects and wasn't

00:23:51.509 --> 00:23:52.750
able to but you know we're kind of

00:23:52.769 --> 00:23:54.852
like shooting some ideas and stuff but i

00:23:55.031 --> 00:23:57.575
i basically just ran with it and uh

00:23:57.694 --> 00:24:00.517
plotted out like a whole series but um

00:24:00.738 --> 00:24:02.798
never got finally got her like i did

00:24:02.818 --> 00:24:05.201
a book but it was called los luchadores

00:24:05.241 --> 00:24:07.163
misteriosos because that rolls right off

00:24:07.182 --> 00:24:07.564
the tongue

00:24:08.376 --> 00:24:11.038
and uh actually i did i actually like

00:24:11.099 --> 00:24:15.002
that oh really uh well i uh to

00:24:15.022 --> 00:24:17.045
me it'd be like a scooby-doo luchador

00:24:17.085 --> 00:24:19.626
mystery you know what i'm saying well that

00:24:19.646 --> 00:24:20.968
was the thing but when i so i

00:24:20.988 --> 00:24:22.890
released that book like it was the first

00:24:22.970 --> 00:24:25.771
version of like um like it's basically my

00:24:25.811 --> 00:24:28.575
first comic that i've written and drawn so

00:24:28.674 --> 00:24:32.238
um i uh i had released that uh

00:24:32.258 --> 00:24:32.278
i

00:24:35.200 --> 00:24:36.941
Oh, God, Steve Coffin helped me out.

00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:37.922
What was it called again?

00:24:37.961 --> 00:24:40.323
That was called Ronin Comics, yeah.

00:24:40.962 --> 00:24:41.644
Okay.

00:24:41.963 --> 00:24:42.263
Yeah,

00:24:42.304 --> 00:24:44.005
Steve and I were in Ronin Comics like

00:24:44.585 --> 00:24:45.165
eons ago.

00:24:45.665 --> 00:24:49.387
And so I had done that,

00:24:50.288 --> 00:24:52.609
and it was just, it was like,

00:24:52.650 --> 00:24:53.911
thirty pages, and it was,

00:24:54.030 --> 00:24:55.471
it really needed to be edited,

00:24:55.771 --> 00:24:57.772
and it was like, my first thing.

00:24:57.813 --> 00:24:59.653
And then, so eventually I, like,

00:24:59.693 --> 00:25:00.875
went back to it, rewrote it.

00:25:00.974 --> 00:25:02.955
The first issue I split into two issues,

00:25:03.796 --> 00:25:05.057
because there's just like way too much

00:25:05.077 --> 00:25:07.559
going on um so i i split it

00:25:07.579 --> 00:25:09.521
into two issues and then re-released it

00:25:09.561 --> 00:25:11.423
with scattered comics and i called it uh

00:25:11.605 --> 00:25:14.267
yeah rona uh called it like lucha mystery

00:25:14.827 --> 00:25:16.028
and i just thought that would be a

00:25:16.048 --> 00:25:18.211
bit easier to say and read and stuff

00:25:18.432 --> 00:25:20.034
and uh and also the other thing was

00:25:20.074 --> 00:25:22.096
that a lot of people thought that the

00:25:22.155 --> 00:25:24.739
los luchadores misteriosos was the fox

00:25:24.759 --> 00:25:25.138
kids show

00:25:28.634 --> 00:25:29.755
Yeah.

00:25:29.795 --> 00:25:30.895
You definitely don't want to cross into

00:25:30.935 --> 00:25:32.277
that territory where it's starting to look

00:25:32.336 --> 00:25:33.877
like something on TV because that will

00:25:33.897 --> 00:25:35.719
catch you a cease and desist quick.

00:25:35.778 --> 00:25:36.159
Yeah.

00:25:36.278 --> 00:25:38.200
And I just was like, okay.

00:25:38.220 --> 00:25:39.320
And plus I was like, well,

00:25:39.601 --> 00:25:41.021
I can think of something different and

00:25:41.422 --> 00:25:41.821
better.

00:25:42.301 --> 00:25:45.163
So I'd like to think it's better, um,

00:25:45.324 --> 00:25:46.105
and make it my own.

00:25:46.144 --> 00:25:48.486
So, um, but yeah, that was just, uh,

00:25:48.506 --> 00:25:49.527
I just had it, uh,

00:25:49.567 --> 00:25:50.567
the series takes place in

00:25:54.255 --> 00:25:55.836
Yeah, and there's some...

00:25:56.175 --> 00:25:58.077
I actually have... Okay, here's a spoiler.

00:25:58.518 --> 00:26:00.159
The main character, Ray Diablo,

00:26:00.598 --> 00:26:01.119
is actually...

00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:04.561
He's actually an indigenous gentleman from

00:26:04.622 --> 00:26:05.202
Winnipeg.

00:26:07.003 --> 00:26:07.865
Oh, nice.

00:26:08.105 --> 00:26:09.726
So eventually in the series,

00:26:09.786 --> 00:26:12.788
he'll go back to Winnipeg and shenanigans

00:26:12.827 --> 00:26:13.288
ensue.

00:26:13.407 --> 00:26:15.430
And this all takes place in the sixties.

00:26:15.950 --> 00:26:17.451
And the fact that you just used

00:26:17.611 --> 00:26:18.352
shenanigans...

00:26:20.114 --> 00:26:22.556
Because the guys from Super Troopers,

00:26:22.576 --> 00:26:25.136
I think, are from Canada as well.

00:26:28.720 --> 00:26:30.000
Okay.

00:26:30.040 --> 00:26:30.381
Coffee.

00:26:30.421 --> 00:26:30.701
Yes.

00:26:30.881 --> 00:26:31.682
Straight out of coffee.

00:26:31.721 --> 00:26:33.423
All right.

00:26:33.462 --> 00:26:33.643
No,

00:26:33.682 --> 00:26:36.424
but you now have to do a Scooby-Doo

00:26:36.664 --> 00:26:40.228
luchador mystery in a van where there's

00:26:40.268 --> 00:26:42.669
luchadors solving mysteries and going to

00:26:42.709 --> 00:26:44.851
shows around the country.

00:26:47.215 --> 00:26:47.717
Well, I get, I, I like it.

00:26:47.737 --> 00:26:47.817
Okay.

00:26:47.836 --> 00:26:51.260
Well, yeah, I mean,

00:26:51.280 --> 00:26:52.623
I don't know if anybody else will like

00:26:52.663 --> 00:26:53.243
it, but dude,

00:26:53.263 --> 00:26:55.125
that just a thought of like van full

00:26:55.165 --> 00:26:58.529
of luchadors traveling around solving

00:26:58.549 --> 00:27:00.972
mysteries and putting on shows.

00:27:01.473 --> 00:27:02.035
It's all yours.

00:27:02.075 --> 00:27:03.056
I'll draw, I'll draw a cover.

00:27:03.135 --> 00:27:03.836
So there you go.

00:27:05.837 --> 00:27:07.439
that's a great thing of luchadores like

00:27:07.459 --> 00:27:08.739
you can do whatever because it's like

00:27:08.778 --> 00:27:11.079
public domain like i had um i think

00:27:11.099 --> 00:27:13.201
there was a for fido or something there

00:27:13.221 --> 00:27:14.020
was like i don't know if it was

00:27:14.060 --> 00:27:15.441
just in canada but there's like this

00:27:15.461 --> 00:27:18.261
little lucha libre cartoon character and

00:27:18.342 --> 00:27:19.682
i'm trying to promote the

00:27:19.903 --> 00:27:22.483
telecommunications i think it was fido was

00:27:22.523 --> 00:27:25.544
it okay or something and some people were

00:27:25.564 --> 00:27:26.865
like aren't you aren't you mad that that's

00:27:26.884 --> 00:27:29.026
happening well it's public domain i didn't

00:27:29.105 --> 00:27:30.326
invent i didn't come up with it

00:27:31.040 --> 00:27:32.690
i'm just running with it you know just

00:27:32.710 --> 00:27:34.740
sort of steamboat willy public domain that

00:27:35.289 --> 00:27:36.049
Winnie the Pooh.

00:27:36.250 --> 00:27:37.371
Now, public domain.

00:27:37.931 --> 00:27:38.491
It happens.

00:27:38.791 --> 00:27:41.153
Winnie the Pooh is actually named after

00:27:41.192 --> 00:27:43.473
Winnipeg because the soldier that owned

00:27:43.513 --> 00:27:49.217
the bear was from Winnipeg and was, yeah,

00:27:49.317 --> 00:27:50.877
I guess donated the bear to a zoo

00:27:50.917 --> 00:27:52.719
and his name was Winnie.

00:27:52.838 --> 00:27:57.780
Winnie the Pooh has ties to Winnipeg.

00:27:57.942 --> 00:27:59.321
That's dope, actually.

00:27:59.382 --> 00:28:00.363
That's kind of cool.

00:28:00.383 --> 00:28:01.522
All roads lead to Winnipeg.

00:28:04.005 --> 00:28:06.267
You've got to emphasize Winnipeg and say

00:28:06.307 --> 00:28:07.487
you idiots after it.

00:28:07.507 --> 00:28:09.347
Yeah.

00:28:10.509 --> 00:28:10.648
Idiots!

00:28:10.669 --> 00:28:12.309
And the fact that when you say it,

00:28:12.349 --> 00:28:13.971
you sound like Chris Jericho is even

00:28:14.010 --> 00:28:14.291
better.

00:28:14.751 --> 00:28:17.513
Well, it's just a lot of pressure.

00:28:17.554 --> 00:28:17.834
Plus,

00:28:17.854 --> 00:28:19.255
when you start yelling at people and

00:28:19.295 --> 00:28:19.575
stuff,

00:28:19.615 --> 00:28:21.016
I guess maybe it's a Winnipeg thing.

00:28:21.576 --> 00:28:22.196
It has to be.

00:28:22.257 --> 00:28:22.856
It has to be.

00:28:23.096 --> 00:28:27.339
Get off the bus, you idiot!

00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:28.441
You just made the list!

00:28:29.181 --> 00:28:29.461
Yeah, exactly.

00:28:29.480 --> 00:28:30.461
You just made the list!

00:28:30.602 --> 00:28:30.682
Yeah.

00:28:32.906 --> 00:28:35.769
yeah so what draws you to the lucha

00:28:35.828 --> 00:28:39.891
libre imagery and masked heroes oh um a

00:28:39.971 --> 00:28:41.811
lot of things uh well you know wrestling

00:28:41.912 --> 00:28:47.555
aspect um yeah the women like um some

00:28:47.615 --> 00:28:50.156
influence i was really into uh the comic

00:28:50.196 --> 00:28:53.398
book series love and rockets uh so there'd

00:28:53.419 --> 00:28:55.160
be a lot of wrestlers like wrestling

00:28:55.200 --> 00:28:56.759
content in there a lot of wrestling so

00:28:56.779 --> 00:28:59.382
i really like that um

00:29:00.757 --> 00:29:01.057
Yeah,

00:29:01.076 --> 00:29:02.817
so those Love and Rockets was a big

00:29:02.858 --> 00:29:03.838
influence too.

00:29:03.878 --> 00:29:05.460
Did you read Do a Powerbomb?

00:29:05.480 --> 00:29:08.281
I have not,

00:29:08.402 --> 00:29:09.343
but a lot of folks have.

00:29:09.423 --> 00:29:09.962
So good.

00:29:09.982 --> 00:29:10.884
Yeah.

00:29:10.943 --> 00:29:11.463
So good.

00:29:11.483 --> 00:29:11.785
Yeah.

00:29:12.105 --> 00:29:13.025
And when I was reading this,

00:29:13.105 --> 00:29:15.646
I got like two completely different vibes

00:29:15.707 --> 00:29:16.387
off the story.

00:29:16.428 --> 00:29:19.109
But as I'm reading Lucha Mystery,

00:29:19.130 --> 00:29:20.631
all I'm thinking about at the same time

00:29:20.711 --> 00:29:22.791
is Do a Powerbomb was so good as

00:29:22.852 --> 00:29:23.192
well.

00:29:23.211 --> 00:29:23.932
Mm-hmm.

00:29:24.576 --> 00:29:25.317
And it really was.

00:29:25.336 --> 00:29:26.577
So the moment you get a chance to

00:29:26.617 --> 00:29:27.738
check out, do a power bomb.

00:29:27.758 --> 00:29:27.837
Yeah.

00:29:28.397 --> 00:29:29.258
It's amazing.

00:29:29.817 --> 00:29:30.298
Yeah.

00:29:30.318 --> 00:29:32.098
I want to get what it's collected or

00:29:32.118 --> 00:29:32.378
something.

00:29:32.419 --> 00:29:33.578
Pick it up at some point.

00:29:34.019 --> 00:29:35.400
It might be on trade paperback.

00:29:35.480 --> 00:29:37.220
I'd say hop on image and you might

00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:38.580
be able to get them all digitally for

00:29:38.601 --> 00:29:39.820
like ninety nine cents.

00:29:40.661 --> 00:29:40.980
You know.

00:29:41.961 --> 00:29:42.102
But.

00:29:43.842 --> 00:29:46.663
So how was this one artistically more?

00:29:46.942 --> 00:29:48.202
Was it more of a challenge to do

00:29:48.242 --> 00:29:50.403
the Lucha Mystery or Murder City Devil?

00:29:52.133 --> 00:29:53.493
Yeah, from an artistic standpoint.

00:29:54.454 --> 00:29:55.596
I think Lucha Mystery,

00:29:55.615 --> 00:29:56.978
because I had done that one first,

00:29:57.018 --> 00:29:57.778
was a bit easier.

00:29:57.858 --> 00:29:58.098
Also,

00:29:58.118 --> 00:29:59.359
the fact is a lot of it takes

00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:00.840
place in a desert at night.

00:30:02.182 --> 00:30:02.482
I mean,

00:30:02.542 --> 00:30:04.724
you literally show a guy doing a Boston

00:30:04.765 --> 00:30:05.185
Crab.

00:30:05.726 --> 00:30:08.729
And to me, like, from a visual standpoint,

00:30:08.769 --> 00:30:10.510
you nailed the artwork of it.

00:30:10.830 --> 00:30:12.673
But I'm like, how hard was it to...

00:30:14.028 --> 00:30:16.630
get that just right for the page because

00:30:16.670 --> 00:30:18.770
you're literally like drawing two dudes

00:30:19.010 --> 00:30:20.372
one putting the other dude in a boston

00:30:20.412 --> 00:30:21.932
crab and you have to make sure everything

00:30:21.972 --> 00:30:24.855
is anatomically yeah where it's supposed

00:30:24.875 --> 00:30:26.134
to be and like it doesn't look like

00:30:26.174 --> 00:30:27.895
this leg is this guy's leg and that

00:30:27.935 --> 00:30:30.117
kind of stuff oh yeah i just photo

00:30:30.157 --> 00:30:33.099
reference i just like magazines and just

00:30:33.180 --> 00:30:35.421
like okay well i mean when i was

00:30:35.441 --> 00:30:36.842
drawing it or you know just go and

00:30:37.221 --> 00:30:38.982
do an image search and just like you

00:30:39.002 --> 00:30:40.364
know put in boston crab or

00:30:43.536 --> 00:30:43.655
Yeah,

00:30:43.675 --> 00:30:45.577
I guess Murder City Devil because I really

00:30:45.597 --> 00:30:46.499
like architecture,

00:30:46.538 --> 00:30:48.560
so I was doing a lot more reference

00:30:48.601 --> 00:30:48.980
on that.

00:30:58.501 --> 00:31:00.103
try to keep it you know like it's

00:31:00.123 --> 00:31:02.884
in the sixties at least uh and uh

00:31:02.944 --> 00:31:04.666
mercy devil the same the same thing

00:31:04.747 --> 00:31:06.688
although mercy devil takes place in more

00:31:06.748 --> 00:31:09.769
modern times like around serpent night

00:31:09.809 --> 00:31:12.592
like so um yeah i think it's like

00:31:12.612 --> 00:31:14.394
in the beginning of murder city devil it

00:31:14.493 --> 00:31:15.714
did say twenty twenty one

00:31:16.327 --> 00:31:17.208
Yeah, like, well, yeah,

00:31:17.307 --> 00:31:19.148
it says in the beginning, like, okay,

00:31:19.169 --> 00:31:20.490
yeah, to go back to your point there,

00:31:21.390 --> 00:31:23.891
it opens up in and then he goes

00:31:23.931 --> 00:31:25.271
into the funeral home and it gets

00:31:25.291 --> 00:31:26.672
scratched or whatever and stuff.

00:31:27.932 --> 00:31:29.213
And again, this is spoiler,

00:31:29.733 --> 00:31:32.214
when he's scratched by that devil statue,

00:31:32.335 --> 00:31:34.175
that's actually, like, he becomes,

00:31:34.355 --> 00:31:36.236
his blood becomes poisoned and it's sort

00:31:36.297 --> 00:31:38.317
of that power, like, incubates into him.

00:31:39.397 --> 00:31:40.738
So then twenty-five years later,

00:31:40.798 --> 00:31:43.058
he dies because he's walking home and then

00:31:43.098 --> 00:31:44.099
gets shot, right?

00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:44.400
And then

00:31:45.209 --> 00:31:45.730
uh, the,

00:31:45.769 --> 00:31:47.332
he goes to the ambulance and then the,

00:31:47.592 --> 00:31:49.173
the doctor's like, ah, just whatever.

00:31:49.213 --> 00:31:50.496
And then he wakes up in the morgue.

00:31:50.817 --> 00:31:52.358
So that's when that happened,

00:31:52.659 --> 00:31:54.741
that the power kicked in and then he's

00:31:54.781 --> 00:31:55.321
back to,

00:31:55.702 --> 00:31:57.204
and that's why you see him in the

00:31:57.244 --> 00:31:59.067
morgue with his eyes glowing and stuff.

00:31:59.448 --> 00:32:01.410
And then eventually like, you know, so,

00:32:02.030 --> 00:32:03.333
um, I'm going to like, when I,

00:32:03.751 --> 00:32:05.913
do a trade paperback of murder city devil.

00:32:05.933 --> 00:32:07.134
I'm going to actually have it all in

00:32:07.194 --> 00:32:09.215
chronological order because every issue

00:32:09.256 --> 00:32:10.718
starts off with a little bit in the

00:32:10.758 --> 00:32:11.218
past.

00:32:11.959 --> 00:32:12.338
Yeah.

00:32:12.618 --> 00:32:13.159
Like that.

00:32:13.180 --> 00:32:17.022
So I try to timestamp everything there.

00:32:17.042 --> 00:32:18.463
So I like the way it flows, man.

00:32:18.503 --> 00:32:20.905
It flows so good to me because I

00:32:20.945 --> 00:32:22.186
think it's one of those,

00:32:22.247 --> 00:32:24.749
if you do a slight flashback to anything,

00:32:25.189 --> 00:32:25.950
if it's done right,

00:32:26.009 --> 00:32:27.490
it's really good for the story.

00:32:28.411 --> 00:32:31.272
yeah so many times those you see some

00:32:31.313 --> 00:32:34.314
people they can't get that right and it

00:32:34.354 --> 00:32:36.615
kind of just kills the comic or the

00:32:36.655 --> 00:32:38.696
readability of the comic it may be a

00:32:38.737 --> 00:32:41.998
good comic overall but that one part like

00:32:42.018 --> 00:32:43.578
you did a flashback in the middle of

00:32:43.598 --> 00:32:45.940
a story and gave us no clue that

00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:48.082
you were actually about to do a flashback

00:32:48.122 --> 00:32:49.241
and it just looked like there's these

00:32:49.301 --> 00:32:51.123
random pages in the middle of a book

00:32:51.682 --> 00:32:52.703
and you're looking at it going

00:32:56.694 --> 00:32:58.494
hell is going on right now it's like

00:32:59.134 --> 00:33:01.615
oh it was a flashback yeah like i

00:33:01.635 --> 00:33:03.336
just i didn't want to yeah and that

00:33:03.355 --> 00:33:04.435
was the thing because there was another

00:33:04.635 --> 00:33:06.477
thing to ask was uh like maybe i

00:33:06.497 --> 00:33:07.836
should have gotten the colors diego

00:33:07.876 --> 00:33:11.478
vasquez hey diego uh amazing colorist uh

00:33:12.097 --> 00:33:15.159
to uh to um color it maybe in

00:33:15.199 --> 00:33:16.818
black and white or something or just like

00:33:16.898 --> 00:33:18.660
a monochrome or something but i wasn't

00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:20.500
sure but yeah i think um

00:33:21.297 --> 00:33:22.520
Like when I definitely do the trade

00:33:22.540 --> 00:33:24.307
paperback, I'm going to put everything in.

00:33:24.950 --> 00:33:26.153
Chop it up and put it in order.

00:33:26.707 --> 00:33:26.886
Yeah,

00:33:26.926 --> 00:33:29.969
put it in chronological order so that it

00:33:29.989 --> 00:33:31.029
just flows better.

00:33:31.769 --> 00:33:32.990
And it also reads differently.

00:33:33.451 --> 00:33:35.813
I've made just here at home with just

00:33:36.012 --> 00:33:36.593
PDFs.

00:33:36.673 --> 00:33:37.773
I'll take the pages,

00:33:37.834 --> 00:33:39.154
put them in chronological order.

00:33:39.275 --> 00:33:41.236
It kind of reads a lot differently.

00:33:41.256 --> 00:33:41.777
Look at you, though.

00:33:41.997 --> 00:33:43.597
You're preparing yourself for later when

00:33:43.617 --> 00:33:45.038
you release the trade paperback because

00:33:45.058 --> 00:33:46.420
you'll already be halfway done.

00:33:46.740 --> 00:33:46.960
Yeah.

00:33:47.140 --> 00:33:48.901
That's using your head and thinking ahead.

00:33:49.682 --> 00:33:50.982
Yeah.

00:33:51.442 --> 00:33:52.624
Like Murder City Devil,

00:33:52.683 --> 00:33:54.545
I've been writing on and off.

00:33:54.644 --> 00:33:55.766
since like the nineties,

00:33:55.967 --> 00:33:56.826
like late nineties.

00:33:56.867 --> 00:33:58.849
So actually no mid nineties.

00:33:58.910 --> 00:34:00.090
No, wait, I was in high school.

00:34:00.151 --> 00:34:00.652
Holy crap.

00:34:01.132 --> 00:34:02.212
So that'd be like late eighties.

00:34:02.232 --> 00:34:03.454
So yeah.

00:34:04.135 --> 00:34:04.355
Yeah.

00:34:04.596 --> 00:34:05.958
Uh, that and Lucha mystery,

00:34:05.978 --> 00:34:07.538
it was probably like I started late

00:34:07.578 --> 00:34:09.862
nineties, uh, but I really started, uh,

00:34:10.282 --> 00:34:11.744
plotting everything out probably around

00:34:11.784 --> 00:34:12.605
two thousand four.

00:34:13.382 --> 00:34:14.963
So, yeah,

00:34:15.123 --> 00:34:17.846
so that was kind of been taking a

00:34:17.885 --> 00:34:18.945
while to do worlds.

00:34:19.246 --> 00:34:22.469
Is this together or are they like mentally

00:34:22.509 --> 00:34:24.050
just like two separate things?

00:34:24.090 --> 00:34:24.931
No, good.

00:34:25.291 --> 00:34:25.992
Very good question.

00:34:26.012 --> 00:34:28.693
What, um, yeah, yes and no.

00:34:28.773 --> 00:34:29.373
And they kind of,

00:34:29.393 --> 00:34:31.096
they kind of do have a crossover, like,

00:34:31.275 --> 00:34:31.356
um,

00:34:32.135 --> 00:34:33.376
I do an issue three when they're

00:34:33.416 --> 00:34:34.976
Halloween, like Aaron Sparks,

00:34:35.077 --> 00:34:36.418
who's like the murder city devil.

00:34:36.438 --> 00:34:38.038
He dresses up as he wears a radio

00:34:38.297 --> 00:34:39.338
mask for Halloween.

00:34:39.358 --> 00:34:39.518
Yeah.

00:34:39.759 --> 00:34:40.438
Yeah.

00:34:40.478 --> 00:34:42.300
Like his coworker dresses up.

00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:44.320
That's why I had that question in there

00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:46.800
because the murder city devil looks like a

00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:49.322
Lucha fights like a Lucha door.

00:34:49.742 --> 00:34:52.322
That's why I was kind of like, wait,

00:34:52.402 --> 00:34:53.784
is that no?

00:34:53.824 --> 00:34:55.003
Well, yeah.

00:34:55.403 --> 00:34:55.523
Yeah.

00:34:55.583 --> 00:34:55.965
I don't know.

00:34:55.985 --> 00:34:57.465
I have all this devil imagery.

00:34:57.525 --> 00:34:59.865
Um, but, uh,

00:35:00.324 --> 00:35:02.789
Now, the Lucha mystery,

00:35:02.829 --> 00:35:05.172
it exists in Murder, See Devil's World,

00:35:05.193 --> 00:35:06.956
but it's only as like a TV show

00:35:06.996 --> 00:35:07.858
or a comic or whatever.

00:35:09.318 --> 00:35:10.798
like an intellectual property.

00:35:11.159 --> 00:35:11.920
So it's like, you know,

00:35:11.940 --> 00:35:14.222
there's movies and TVs and stuff like

00:35:14.242 --> 00:35:14.601
that.

00:35:15.202 --> 00:35:15.963
Um, but I,

00:35:16.023 --> 00:35:17.465
I don't really have any plans to like

00:35:17.485 --> 00:35:19.907
have like them crossover because it's sort

00:35:19.967 --> 00:35:21.168
of like the two books.

00:35:21.288 --> 00:35:22.929
I like think of it like murder city,

00:35:23.028 --> 00:35:25.010
like our, uh, leech of mysteries,

00:35:25.050 --> 00:35:26.911
like kind of like sixties surf music,

00:35:27.311 --> 00:35:28.773
like Dick Dale or something like that,

00:35:28.793 --> 00:35:29.393
or link, right.

00:35:29.574 --> 00:35:29.974
And, um,

00:35:30.755 --> 00:35:33.135
and and murder city devil's more like uh

00:35:33.896 --> 00:35:35.717
late seventies early eighties like goth

00:35:35.757 --> 00:35:39.577
music so like the cure or something or

00:35:39.737 --> 00:35:41.498
um i don't know nothing wrong with that

00:35:41.539 --> 00:35:44.519
man come on joy division oh yeah so

00:35:44.539 --> 00:35:48.780
let's go yeah listen listen to a lot

00:35:48.820 --> 00:35:50.322
of joy division when i'm working murder

00:35:50.362 --> 00:35:51.222
city devil so

00:35:52.547 --> 00:35:53.628
Dude, that and The Cure, man.

00:35:54.688 --> 00:35:55.369
You're set.

00:35:55.829 --> 00:35:58.329
That's one of those where you just put

00:35:58.389 --> 00:35:59.548
it on in the background and go,

00:35:59.568 --> 00:36:00.929
that's how I do it when I'm working

00:36:00.949 --> 00:36:01.690
on things.

00:36:02.690 --> 00:36:04.309
I go back to the stuff I listened

00:36:04.349 --> 00:36:06.510
to from the eighties and nineties and just

00:36:06.530 --> 00:36:07.851
put that on and just let it go.

00:36:07.871 --> 00:36:07.951
Yeah.

00:36:10.471 --> 00:36:10.951
Put on Murder,

00:36:10.990 --> 00:36:12.931
See Devil and just listen to Sonic Temple

00:36:12.972 --> 00:36:17.731
by The Cult or something like that.

00:36:17.871 --> 00:36:18.773
Yes, dude.

00:36:18.793 --> 00:36:19.012
Let's go.

00:36:19.032 --> 00:36:19.193
Let's go.

00:36:19.213 --> 00:36:21.152
So

00:36:22.648 --> 00:36:23.708
In twenty twenty five,

00:36:23.768 --> 00:36:26.010
both series were picked up by Studio

00:36:26.050 --> 00:36:27.369
Comets Press.

00:36:27.389 --> 00:36:30.851
How did that partnership come together?

00:36:30.871 --> 00:36:33.373
Well, I had worked.

00:36:33.512 --> 00:36:38.275
Alfonso Espinoza runs Studio Comets Press

00:36:38.375 --> 00:36:39.695
and they're actually a printer,

00:36:39.735 --> 00:36:40.536
a comics printer.

00:36:41.036 --> 00:36:43.878
So, they were... Oh, there he is.

00:36:43.898 --> 00:36:44.617
There's Alfonso.

00:36:45.438 --> 00:36:46.400
He's on right now.

00:36:46.420 --> 00:36:48.260
He's got the devil, man, and he appears.

00:36:48.481 --> 00:36:49.681
Yeah, say his name.

00:36:50.322 --> 00:36:53.123
And so, I was working with Alfonso.

00:36:53.164 --> 00:36:53.503
Like,

00:36:53.583 --> 00:36:55.706
I was getting my printing done with him,

00:36:55.766 --> 00:36:58.106
like, since twenty eighteen, I believe.

00:36:58.126 --> 00:36:59.847
Yeah, that's about right.

00:36:59.967 --> 00:37:02.869
And then he was eventually going into

00:37:02.909 --> 00:37:03.451
publishing.

00:37:03.490 --> 00:37:05.192
And so, since I was, like, having, like,

00:37:05.871 --> 00:37:07.994
no one was interested in carrying these

00:37:08.034 --> 00:37:11.717
books um because i i had a note

00:37:11.757 --> 00:37:13.338
for lucha tour bus so i didn't forget

00:37:13.378 --> 00:37:16.659
it later yes okay so i just asked

00:37:16.681 --> 00:37:18.842
self once like hey uh can i can

00:37:18.961 --> 00:37:19.822
i you know uh

00:37:20.161 --> 00:37:21.181
do you want to publish my books?

00:37:22.222 --> 00:37:23.603
He's like, yeah, okay.

00:37:24.543 --> 00:37:25.483
So I was like, okay, well,

00:37:25.983 --> 00:37:26.543
that was easy.

00:37:27.443 --> 00:37:29.284
So he had already known,

00:37:29.324 --> 00:37:31.784
and it wasn't like any other publisher was

00:37:31.925 --> 00:37:34.065
clamoring for my books or anything.

00:37:34.105 --> 00:37:36.065
So I was like, okay, well, that's cool.

00:37:37.126 --> 00:37:39.465
Dude, sometimes it's just a question,

00:37:39.525 --> 00:37:41.427
right?

00:37:41.646 --> 00:37:43.746
It never hurts to ask, so yeah.

00:37:43.786 --> 00:37:44.726
Dude, I always say it.

00:37:44.746 --> 00:37:45.007
I'm like,

00:37:45.047 --> 00:37:45.947
what's the worst they're going to say?

00:37:46.027 --> 00:37:46.248
No.

00:37:46.268 --> 00:37:47.007
Yeah, well.

00:37:47.724 --> 00:37:47.844
No,

00:37:47.864 --> 00:37:49.626
I've heard that minute pretty much my

00:37:49.726 --> 00:37:50.706
entire adult life.

00:37:50.746 --> 00:37:50.987
So,

00:37:51.887 --> 00:37:54.289
so what has changed since signing with a

00:37:54.449 --> 00:37:55.771
studio comics press?

00:37:56.490 --> 00:37:58.552
Oh, you know, just, you know, you,

00:37:58.612 --> 00:37:59.432
you sign with them,

00:37:59.452 --> 00:38:01.934
you get nothing but fame, fortune, vagina.

00:38:02.155 --> 00:38:06.097
No, um, I guess, uh, a lot of,

00:38:06.117 --> 00:38:10.041
a lot of connections, a lot of lifestyle.

00:38:10.141 --> 00:38:11.282
Yeah.

00:38:11.322 --> 00:38:11.802
Sure.

00:38:11.902 --> 00:38:12.101
Yeah.

00:38:12.262 --> 00:38:12.822
Uh, it was, uh,

00:38:14.980 --> 00:38:15.119
Yeah,

00:38:15.500 --> 00:38:18.581
I just go to conventions now and stuff

00:38:18.601 --> 00:38:19.621
like that a little easier.

00:38:19.902 --> 00:38:21.742
I'm not just limited to Winnipeg.

00:38:22.583 --> 00:38:23.503
Thank you, Alfonso.

00:38:24.423 --> 00:38:25.684
There's a grassy ass.

00:38:27.164 --> 00:38:28.625
He's buttering the bread, man.

00:38:28.664 --> 00:38:29.405
Buttering the bread.

00:38:29.525 --> 00:38:33.027
And he's just good to work with because

00:38:33.067 --> 00:38:33.606
he's our age.

00:38:33.726 --> 00:38:34.547
He's in his forties.

00:38:34.807 --> 00:38:36.628
And he's an artist as well.

00:38:36.668 --> 00:38:38.548
So that's kind of all the same.

00:38:41.126 --> 00:38:43.588
so i like you dude i like it

00:38:43.608 --> 00:38:45.409
yeah so actually that's someone you need

00:38:45.809 --> 00:38:47.550
should interview him he's a he's a

00:38:47.590 --> 00:38:50.271
character alfonso man and reach out to

00:38:50.411 --> 00:38:53.291
evan get my email hop on the show

00:38:53.331 --> 00:38:56.153
let's make it happen yeah yeah yeah so

00:38:56.213 --> 00:38:59.655
there's a um but he uh was just

00:38:59.735 --> 00:39:01.916
really just great to work with so it

00:39:01.936 --> 00:39:03.597
was like a good a good fit and

00:39:03.737 --> 00:39:05.657
uh he liked my stuff so um

00:39:06.485 --> 00:39:07.065
He was always,

00:39:07.405 --> 00:39:09.266
and he was always very patient with all

00:39:09.286 --> 00:39:11.108
my print changes because I'd have like,

00:39:11.847 --> 00:39:12.447
never fails.

00:39:12.527 --> 00:39:13.748
It's like, you know, okay, proofread,

00:39:13.768 --> 00:39:14.889
get someone else to proofread,

00:39:14.909 --> 00:39:16.050
get someone else to proofread,

00:39:16.090 --> 00:39:16.610
print it out.

00:39:16.670 --> 00:39:19.152
There's a spelling mistake or whatever,

00:39:19.211 --> 00:39:21.552
just something or, you know.

00:39:21.572 --> 00:39:23.494
You would be surprised the amount of

00:39:23.594 --> 00:39:27.456
spelling errors I find on a weekly basis

00:39:27.496 --> 00:39:28.376
in my pickups.

00:39:28.717 --> 00:39:29.597
Like it never fails.

00:39:29.858 --> 00:39:33.079
There's always print, like misspellings.

00:39:33.099 --> 00:39:34.179
I'm like, dude, it's your book.

00:39:34.219 --> 00:39:35.621
How do you misspell your own book?

00:39:36.990 --> 00:39:38.532
Well, exactly, because I do the lettering,

00:39:38.572 --> 00:39:40.411
and I always get two other people to

00:39:41.032 --> 00:39:42.452
proofread it and stuff like that,

00:39:42.472 --> 00:39:44.134
and usually catch everything.

00:39:44.873 --> 00:39:47.034
Or sometimes I'll forget to save the file,

00:39:47.414 --> 00:39:48.675
right?

00:39:48.735 --> 00:39:49.675
I'll make the changes,

00:39:49.695 --> 00:39:50.735
forget to save the file,

00:39:50.755 --> 00:39:52.056
and then just send it off.

00:39:52.097 --> 00:39:53.297
Thankfully, I'm a professional,

00:39:53.336 --> 00:39:54.577
because I've done that before,

00:39:54.617 --> 00:39:56.458
and I went to open up the interview

00:39:56.498 --> 00:39:57.539
that I was going to be doing that

00:39:57.579 --> 00:39:58.958
day, and there was nothing there.

00:39:59.539 --> 00:40:00.260
So I'm like, well, fuck,

00:40:00.300 --> 00:40:01.119
I'm winging this one,

00:40:01.159 --> 00:40:02.440
because it was like ten minutes before the

00:40:02.460 --> 00:40:03.181
show was starting.

00:40:04.481 --> 00:40:05.402
It was a great interview,

00:40:05.782 --> 00:40:07.443
and I didn't have a single thing written

00:40:07.463 --> 00:40:07.643
down.

00:40:07.663 --> 00:40:08.063
Thankfully,

00:40:08.103 --> 00:40:10.063
I had enough of it memorized and enough

00:40:10.163 --> 00:40:12.923
of it down to where I just hop

00:40:12.943 --> 00:40:13.543
in and do it.

00:40:13.603 --> 00:40:14.684
But it was one of those where I

00:40:14.704 --> 00:40:15.364
was like, fuck.

00:40:15.405 --> 00:40:18.385
I'm like,

00:40:18.445 --> 00:40:20.405
this time I'll hit remember to save that

00:40:20.425 --> 00:40:21.045
before I do it.

00:40:21.085 --> 00:40:21.226
Now,

00:40:21.286 --> 00:40:22.746
every time I make any type of change,

00:40:22.766 --> 00:40:23.407
it's like safe.

00:40:24.266 --> 00:40:25.047
Yeah.

00:40:25.847 --> 00:40:27.487
I put extra space in somewhere to better

00:40:27.547 --> 00:40:27.907
save it.

00:40:29.331 --> 00:40:30.373
Yeah, it's a good idea.

00:40:30.512 --> 00:40:31.554
Always try to do that.

00:40:31.574 --> 00:40:32.456
But yeah,

00:40:32.556 --> 00:40:34.797
there's usually something discrepancy,

00:40:34.838 --> 00:40:35.739
but the more you do it,

00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:36.721
you get kind of used to it and

00:40:36.740 --> 00:40:38.101
you sort of remember that, okay,

00:40:38.121 --> 00:40:38.643
check this.

00:40:38.802 --> 00:40:40.425
You get those good habits built into

00:40:40.465 --> 00:40:40.925
yourself.

00:40:41.365 --> 00:40:44.088
Yeah, so usually anyways, but yeah, so...

00:40:46.291 --> 00:40:48.452
With you now being part of Studio Comets,

00:40:49.014 --> 00:40:51.777
has it changed from a creative standpoint,

00:40:52.157 --> 00:40:54.460
or do they get some creative input into

00:40:54.500 --> 00:40:55.141
what you're doing,

00:40:55.161 --> 00:40:56.702
or is it a hundred percent yours?

00:40:57.222 --> 00:40:59.164
Because I know some studios will be like,

00:40:59.204 --> 00:41:02.028
hey, no, we don't like this, change this.

00:41:02.579 --> 00:41:02.980
Yeah, no,

00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:04.902
it's a bit different for me with, uh,

00:41:04.961 --> 00:41:06.242
cause like, again,

00:41:06.342 --> 00:41:09.025
Alfonso was printing my books years before

00:41:09.365 --> 00:41:10.547
I joined up with them.

00:41:10.666 --> 00:41:11.967
So he kind of knew what to expect

00:41:11.987 --> 00:41:12.027
me.

00:41:12.047 --> 00:41:13.248
He was really liking them too.

00:41:13.690 --> 00:41:15.490
So, uh, it was like, just, yeah,

00:41:15.550 --> 00:41:17.572
it seemed like natural fit, you know, and,

00:41:17.592 --> 00:41:19.574
uh, just easy to work with.

00:41:19.635 --> 00:41:22.536
And like, it's not, here's the, like,

00:41:22.577 --> 00:41:23.478
I'm pretty much like,

00:41:24.318 --> 00:41:25.018
okay, Murder, City,

00:41:25.059 --> 00:41:26.519
Devil will have sexuality in it,

00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:28.260
but I'm not going to have nudity kind

00:41:28.280 --> 00:41:28.541
of thing.

00:41:28.621 --> 00:41:29.681
I'm more of a,

00:41:29.702 --> 00:41:31.262
I'm telling a story like the suggested

00:41:31.282 --> 00:41:31.963
kind of stuff.

00:41:32.344 --> 00:41:33.445
You know, you kind of see it all.

00:41:33.525 --> 00:41:35.467
And that makes sense, you know?

00:41:35.487 --> 00:41:35.907
Yeah.

00:41:35.987 --> 00:41:38.028
I mean, it's also like a violent book,

00:41:38.068 --> 00:41:39.489
but I'm not going to do violence just

00:41:39.530 --> 00:41:40.190
for violence.

00:41:40.230 --> 00:41:40.990
You know what I mean?

00:41:41.010 --> 00:41:42.532
Like, I'm trying to do it for effect.

00:41:43.773 --> 00:41:45.153
So it's really like that.

00:41:45.213 --> 00:41:46.014
I'm not going to, like,

00:41:47.150 --> 00:41:48.693
It's not going to be like a Faust

00:41:48.753 --> 00:41:50.215
comic or something like that.

00:41:50.255 --> 00:41:52.559
I'm trying to think of something really

00:41:52.619 --> 00:41:53.059
horrible.

00:41:53.320 --> 00:41:56.065
I think it's not going to be anything

00:41:56.085 --> 00:41:56.585
like...

00:41:56.606 --> 00:41:58.369
Faust is well-drawn and stuff and very

00:41:58.389 --> 00:41:58.708
gory.

00:41:58.728 --> 00:41:58.949
Oh, yeah.

00:41:58.969 --> 00:42:01.193
Like some of the older...

00:42:03.170 --> 00:42:05.293
heavy metal stuff where it was just like

00:42:05.333 --> 00:42:07.594
gratuitous nudity to have nudity and

00:42:07.655 --> 00:42:10.297
gratuitous violence with the nudity yeah i

00:42:10.318 --> 00:42:11.659
know exactly what you're talking about

00:42:11.679 --> 00:42:13.360
yeah i mean that's great for heavy metal

00:42:13.420 --> 00:42:14.782
and for those artists that you know like

00:42:14.802 --> 00:42:16.463
that but it's just for me i was

00:42:16.543 --> 00:42:19.385
more uh you know like i'm i'm just

00:42:19.465 --> 00:42:22.028
more like i said uh influenced by like

00:42:22.048 --> 00:42:24.231
tales from the crypt influenced by um

00:42:25.215 --> 00:42:26.516
everything like Arthur Adams we were

00:42:26.536 --> 00:42:29.036
talking about earlier and like Todd

00:42:29.056 --> 00:42:31.436
McFarlane stuff like when he did Amazing

00:42:31.476 --> 00:42:33.797
Spider-Man and I was like in junior high

00:42:35.059 --> 00:42:36.338
and at first I didn't like it I

00:42:36.478 --> 00:42:39.019
was like ew what's this you know what

00:42:39.059 --> 00:42:40.820
it's funny but you say that it's cause

00:42:41.240 --> 00:42:43.161
I think everybody who eventually falls in

00:42:43.202 --> 00:42:45.141
love with McFarlane's Amazing Spider-Man

00:42:45.302 --> 00:42:48.242
hated it in the beginning you just don't

00:42:48.302 --> 00:42:49.824
like it I don't know if it was

00:42:49.864 --> 00:42:51.103
because it was something different or

00:42:51.143 --> 00:42:52.244
something just like

00:42:53.153 --> 00:42:54.454
Like what's he trying to do?

00:42:54.494 --> 00:42:56.797
But then the more you stew on it

00:42:56.838 --> 00:42:57.777
and the more you bake on it,

00:42:57.818 --> 00:42:59.139
and then you go back and you reread

00:42:59.199 --> 00:42:59.300
it,

00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:01.262
whether it be like a month later or

00:43:01.302 --> 00:43:02.282
a year later, and you're like,

00:43:03.130 --> 00:43:04.871
you know what, I kind of like this.

00:43:04.891 --> 00:43:05.713
Yeah, and that was the thing,

00:43:05.753 --> 00:43:07.074
I started getting, like, at first,

00:43:07.094 --> 00:43:08.173
I'm just like, I think it was, like,

00:43:08.193 --> 00:43:09.795
Amazing Spider-Man, three, twelve, was,

00:43:09.815 --> 00:43:11.677
like, Green Goblin versus the Hobgoblin,

00:43:11.876 --> 00:43:12.657
which was like, oh, cool,

00:43:12.677 --> 00:43:13.277
I want to see this,

00:43:13.297 --> 00:43:13.677
and I was like,

00:43:14.219 --> 00:43:16.280
Hobgoblin's cape's all ripped, and,

00:43:16.300 --> 00:43:17.760
you know, but now it's like, oh, cool,

00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:18.822
and then it's just like, oh,

00:43:18.842 --> 00:43:20.023
this looks weird, but then it was like,

00:43:20.043 --> 00:43:21.563
oh, these, they're making some crazy,

00:43:21.804 --> 00:43:23.284
funny faces, or whatever, and I was like,

00:43:23.425 --> 00:43:24.385
I kind of dig it, you know,

00:43:24.445 --> 00:43:24.666
and then,

00:43:25.545 --> 00:43:26.766
He's known for that, though.

00:43:26.786 --> 00:43:28.068
That's his thing.

00:43:28.088 --> 00:43:29.088
You see it in Spawn.

00:43:29.148 --> 00:43:32.769
When he did War Dogs with Batman vs.

00:43:32.909 --> 00:43:35.172
Spawn and Batman split his head with the

00:43:35.211 --> 00:43:35.851
Batarang,

00:43:35.871 --> 00:43:38.432
you've got to remember Spawn's face stayed

00:43:38.472 --> 00:43:42.356
split and stitched for years afterwards.

00:43:42.516 --> 00:43:45.217
Then he was reborn again and finally it

00:43:45.277 --> 00:43:47.998
fits itself.

00:43:48.039 --> 00:43:50.019
He keeps those effects going.

00:43:50.119 --> 00:43:52.041
If there's a terror, there's a will.

00:43:52.581 --> 00:43:54.501
the continuity he does is amazing i always

00:43:54.521 --> 00:43:55.742
thought that was like something that he

00:43:55.762 --> 00:44:00.445
was extremely underrated for like him and

00:44:00.525 --> 00:44:02.168
eric eric larson like what i do with

00:44:02.228 --> 00:44:04.568
my books too um especially um i don't

00:44:04.588 --> 00:44:06.389
know if you've read the book nexus uh

00:44:06.449 --> 00:44:07.931
with steve brood mike barron like back in

00:44:07.951 --> 00:44:08.931
the eighties i'm not familiar with that

00:44:08.992 --> 00:44:11.112
one oh so i'll have to check it

00:44:11.152 --> 00:44:14.054
out though yeah chef's kiss absolutely um

00:44:14.074 --> 00:44:16.617
the um but it was like so okay

00:44:16.657 --> 00:44:17.617
savage dragons like

00:44:19.244 --> 00:44:21.708
since dragon came out in the nineties that

00:44:21.748 --> 00:44:23.731
happened in the nineties and it's actually

00:44:23.771 --> 00:44:24.972
going like in real time.

00:44:24.992 --> 00:44:26.554
So now he has his son running around

00:44:26.614 --> 00:44:27.737
as the dragon and stuff.

00:44:28.077 --> 00:44:30.280
So my books, if like,

00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:32.503
I try to really make it, um,

00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:34.760
that okay it happened in sixty four and

00:44:34.780 --> 00:44:37.081
then i make sure like i really always

00:44:37.101 --> 00:44:39.322
check my dates and stuff like that and

00:44:39.342 --> 00:44:40.463
because i think because you have a

00:44:40.523 --> 00:44:42.083
notebook or a spreadsheet where you have

00:44:42.103 --> 00:44:43.443
everything kind of like mapped out

00:44:43.483 --> 00:44:46.286
timeline wise yeah because there is going

00:44:46.306 --> 00:44:47.686
to be an end to murder city devil

00:44:47.726 --> 00:44:50.708
series probably like issue probably ten or

00:44:50.728 --> 00:44:53.949
twelve hey alphonta and then uh lucha

00:44:54.009 --> 00:44:56.050
mystery will probably be about maybe ten

00:44:56.130 --> 00:44:58.590
issues or something i think that's a good

00:44:58.670 --> 00:45:00.431
run though ten to twelve is a very

00:45:00.472 --> 00:45:00.972
good run

00:45:01.391 --> 00:45:01.771
Oh, yeah.

00:45:01.811 --> 00:45:03.413
So then and then that way it's like

00:45:03.432 --> 00:45:04.954
if I want to like read like I

00:45:04.974 --> 00:45:07.275
have an idea for a Murder City Devil

00:45:07.356 --> 00:45:07.936
prequel,

00:45:08.097 --> 00:45:09.538
like which probably just be a one shot

00:45:09.577 --> 00:45:10.619
or two issue thing.

00:45:10.659 --> 00:45:14.001
And then I do have like a second

00:45:14.061 --> 00:45:14.583
series.

00:45:14.702 --> 00:45:16.704
But yeah,

00:45:16.744 --> 00:45:18.005
I think issue zero would be cool for

00:45:18.045 --> 00:45:19.867
Murder City Devil to find out the truth

00:45:19.907 --> 00:45:20.748
of the house, you know,

00:45:20.807 --> 00:45:22.469
to kind of like dive into that.

00:45:22.929 --> 00:45:24.110
that's actually not a bad idea yeah

00:45:24.130 --> 00:45:26.652
because i know he got the scratch you

00:45:26.672 --> 00:45:29.753
know like what like why does he get

00:45:29.793 --> 00:45:31.594
the scratch and how did it pick him

00:45:31.614 --> 00:45:35.356
and like what kind of was going on

00:45:35.396 --> 00:45:38.898
in that you know yeah it's like why

00:45:38.918 --> 00:45:40.800
was the funeral home bordered up and just

00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:43.621
abandoned and left and and i explore more

00:45:43.641 --> 00:45:46.182
like who's that lady in the chair you

00:45:46.202 --> 00:45:47.903
know yeah and like

00:45:50.351 --> 00:45:50.911
Oh, yeah, dude.

00:45:50.931 --> 00:45:51.172
Yeah.

00:45:51.211 --> 00:45:53.172
So it's got to because now I'm all

00:45:53.233 --> 00:45:54.713
excited for something that hasn't even

00:45:55.253 --> 00:45:56.134
transpired yet.

00:45:56.193 --> 00:45:57.474
Well, yeah, I was like, yeah,

00:45:57.514 --> 00:45:58.795
but I was like issue zero is actually

00:45:58.815 --> 00:45:59.155
a good idea.

00:45:59.215 --> 00:46:01.076
I was thinking like a one or one

00:46:01.096 --> 00:46:03.516
or two issues to sort of explain.

00:46:03.577 --> 00:46:05.858
And but I'd have you crank out a

00:46:05.898 --> 00:46:07.038
thirty two page issues.

00:46:07.458 --> 00:46:07.998
Zero, man.

00:46:09.289 --> 00:46:09.670
Perfect.

00:46:10.371 --> 00:46:11.813
I've done it.

00:46:11.893 --> 00:46:12.193
I did.

00:46:12.253 --> 00:46:13.795
I actually know there's twenty eight

00:46:13.875 --> 00:46:14.295
pages.

00:46:14.635 --> 00:46:17.579
One shot of Halloween man written by Drew

00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:18.099
Edwards.

00:46:18.701 --> 00:46:21.804
And it was featuring his girlfriend, Lucy.

00:46:21.903 --> 00:46:25.327
So I yeah, sometimes free freelance.

00:46:25.507 --> 00:46:26.929
Alfonso agrees with me, dude.

00:46:29.916 --> 00:46:30.717
He knows his stuff.

00:46:30.817 --> 00:46:32.338
Oh, yeah, and I'll draw occasionally,

00:46:32.378 --> 00:46:34.599
draw some pinups for Alphonse's character,

00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:35.559
the Night Spike,

00:46:35.980 --> 00:46:37.519
which I think I might have some artwork

00:46:37.539 --> 00:46:37.800
here.

00:46:37.820 --> 00:46:38.320
I don't know.

00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:38.601
I got...

00:46:38.661 --> 00:46:42.143
Did you want to show us some of

00:46:42.163 --> 00:46:44.724
the pages from your work as well?

00:46:44.824 --> 00:46:45.244
Okay, sure.

00:46:45.344 --> 00:46:47.505
Oh, you're going to show it?

00:46:47.525 --> 00:46:49.266
Because I got original pages here,

00:46:49.286 --> 00:46:50.206
which I was going to mention.

00:46:50.286 --> 00:46:52.628
I have one sale to December twenty-second.

00:46:52.989 --> 00:46:53.929
There you go.

00:46:54.028 --> 00:46:54.869
Plug it away, man.

00:46:54.969 --> 00:46:55.949
That's what I'm talking about.

00:46:55.969 --> 00:46:56.650
Yeah, if anyone's...

00:46:58.246 --> 00:46:59.126
If anyone's interested,

00:46:59.226 --> 00:47:01.847
I got original pages from Lucha Mystery

00:47:01.927 --> 00:47:05.568
and Murder City Devil that I'm selling in

00:47:05.608 --> 00:47:06.989
Canadian funds, by the way.

00:47:07.048 --> 00:47:08.309
So if you're in the U.S.,

00:47:08.329 --> 00:47:09.630
you're going to save some money.

00:47:12.751 --> 00:47:13.771
So I got, yeah.

00:47:14.771 --> 00:47:16.192
There you go.

00:47:16.532 --> 00:47:19.472
We'll pull up some Murder City Devil right

00:47:19.512 --> 00:47:19.773
here.

00:47:20.353 --> 00:47:21.813
That way they can see the work.

00:47:23.449 --> 00:47:24.951
it's really cool man because i love it

00:47:24.990 --> 00:47:27.632
because this one kind of like nails all

00:47:27.713 --> 00:47:28.893
all the things you're good at with the

00:47:28.994 --> 00:47:32.016
buildings the rain the people this is

00:47:32.056 --> 00:47:34.918
really really cool picture right here a

00:47:34.958 --> 00:47:40.782
page from the book oh yeah where is

00:47:40.802 --> 00:47:42.702
it i'm just thank you i actually got

00:47:42.762 --> 00:47:45.844
the uh original right here somewhere

00:47:46.931 --> 00:47:48.273
And then if you want to show a

00:47:48.333 --> 00:47:49.353
cover we can do,

00:47:49.853 --> 00:47:51.434
let's do some mystery cover.

00:47:51.594 --> 00:47:52.775
That's what I'm talking about because I

00:47:52.795 --> 00:47:53.335
love this cover.

00:47:53.355 --> 00:47:53.594
It's so fun.

00:47:53.635 --> 00:47:54.135
Oh, which one?

00:47:54.155 --> 00:47:57.577
I'm about to show it, man.

00:47:57.717 --> 00:47:58.197
Oh, okay.

00:47:58.217 --> 00:47:59.398
Sorry.

00:47:59.978 --> 00:48:01.239
I got to work some buttons, man.

00:48:01.259 --> 00:48:02.579
There we go.

00:48:02.599 --> 00:48:03.280
This one right here.

00:48:03.420 --> 00:48:04.601
I thought this was really cool.

00:48:04.840 --> 00:48:05.240
Oh, yeah.

00:48:05.561 --> 00:48:07.521
I got that one available as well.

00:48:09.543 --> 00:48:09.844
Yeah.

00:48:10.103 --> 00:48:11.103
As he says,

00:48:11.264 --> 00:48:14.545
it's all in my pile of artwork here.

00:48:14.565 --> 00:48:15.786
Oh, wait.

00:48:21.110 --> 00:48:22.070
Give me a moment.

00:48:22.150 --> 00:48:22.351
Yeah,

00:48:22.371 --> 00:48:24.652
that was the one condition that I had

00:48:25.472 --> 00:48:28.552
going to run with Studio Comics Press was

00:48:28.592 --> 00:48:30.994
that Alfonso insisted that I do new covers

00:48:31.755 --> 00:48:34.416
just to make it more exclusive to Studio

00:48:34.456 --> 00:48:35.715
Comics Press, which is like, hey,

00:48:35.735 --> 00:48:36.456
that's no problem.

00:48:36.516 --> 00:48:36.597
Yeah.

00:48:37.556 --> 00:48:37.856
You know,

00:48:37.876 --> 00:48:39.938
if it's I got a if I got

00:48:39.958 --> 00:48:41.257
like a Kickstarter or something,

00:48:41.277 --> 00:48:42.838
that's just more some more stuff.

00:48:42.878 --> 00:48:44.500
Or if I'm putting on a sale for

00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:45.440
my artwork, you know,

00:48:45.460 --> 00:48:47.320
because it's like a year end sale.

00:48:48.706 --> 00:48:53.489
let's show some murder city devil covers

00:48:53.510 --> 00:48:59.652
yeah oh yeah i got that uh look

00:48:59.672 --> 00:49:01.574
at the architecture though dude i just

00:49:01.594 --> 00:49:03.195
want to point that out because that's such

00:49:03.235 --> 00:49:06.436
a dope shot oh thank you yeah um

00:49:06.597 --> 00:49:08.737
like i said i really do i like

00:49:08.777 --> 00:49:12.460
uh i like um architecture and uh drawing

00:49:12.519 --> 00:49:14.101
i actually got the original art here

00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:17.900
so it's all for sale until december twenty

00:49:17.940 --> 00:49:22.463
second yeah canadian dolores so yeah just

00:49:22.523 --> 00:49:24.422
message me and i will send you a

00:49:24.483 --> 00:49:25.884
link and then you can see all the

00:49:25.943 --> 00:49:28.804
artwork that's available uh and i'll have

00:49:28.824 --> 00:49:30.606
it all linked down in the description of

00:49:30.646 --> 00:49:32.327
the video when it's released it's actually

00:49:32.407 --> 00:49:33.106
linked now

00:49:34.786 --> 00:49:37.248
If you hit the links on Facebook as

00:49:37.309 --> 00:49:40.130
well and also on Instagram,

00:49:40.190 --> 00:49:41.311
all the links are in there.

00:49:41.652 --> 00:49:43.554
But when I re-release this later on

00:49:43.594 --> 00:49:45.655
podcasting platforms and onto YouTube

00:49:45.675 --> 00:49:46.016
again,

00:49:46.556 --> 00:49:47.858
all the links for all this stuff will

00:49:47.878 --> 00:49:49.659
be in there as well.

00:49:49.719 --> 00:49:49.920
So...

00:49:52.887 --> 00:49:54.487
So I'm trying to find more stuff.

00:49:55.588 --> 00:49:57.449
So while you're finding more stuff,

00:49:57.708 --> 00:49:59.849
what does this milestone mean having

00:49:59.909 --> 00:50:02.710
signed with Studio Comic Press after more

00:50:02.731 --> 00:50:05.072
than twenty years of just grinding away

00:50:05.112 --> 00:50:06.771
and getting stuff published on your own?

00:50:07.112 --> 00:50:08.072
Well, yeah.

00:50:08.632 --> 00:50:09.652
Well, Studio Comic Press,

00:50:09.693 --> 00:50:10.713
I guess sort of taking it to the

00:50:10.813 --> 00:50:11.253
next level.

00:50:11.273 --> 00:50:14.775
Like I did have originally back in twenty

00:50:14.815 --> 00:50:15.016
ten,

00:50:15.036 --> 00:50:18.356
there was a small indie press called

00:50:18.396 --> 00:50:18.737
Ronin.

00:50:19.811 --> 00:50:22.536
Roman studios that Steve Kaufman and I

00:50:22.556 --> 00:50:23.918
were- Alfonso already called it.

00:50:24.420 --> 00:50:24.780
Okay.

00:50:25.762 --> 00:50:26.204
All right.

00:50:27.025 --> 00:50:27.385
And then-

00:50:29.405 --> 00:50:31.085
And then I was with Scattered Comics based

00:50:31.146 --> 00:50:31.806
out of Sacramento.

00:50:31.827 --> 00:50:34.469
That was Jason Doobies running his little

00:50:34.588 --> 00:50:35.329
publication there.

00:50:35.349 --> 00:50:37.811
It was also the fact that I left

00:50:37.990 --> 00:50:40.233
Scattered not because I'm still, you know,

00:50:40.313 --> 00:50:40.672
I still,

00:50:41.094 --> 00:50:42.934
Jason helps me out greatly with a lot

00:50:42.954 --> 00:50:43.454
of stuff.

00:50:44.436 --> 00:50:46.818
But it came down to the pandemic happened.

00:50:46.878 --> 00:50:48.318
So I couldn't really go to California

00:50:48.338 --> 00:50:49.800
because I was like going to conventions in

00:50:49.820 --> 00:50:51.221
California and stuff and hanging out with

00:50:51.240 --> 00:50:51.380
them.

00:50:51.400 --> 00:50:53.043
So that was kind of a downer.

00:50:53.083 --> 00:50:56.324
Plus I also started my own like business

00:50:56.425 --> 00:50:56.826
imprint.

00:50:57.626 --> 00:51:01.469
and uh for taxes yeah yeah exactly it's

00:51:01.489 --> 00:51:03.311
like on comic studios yeah so i started

00:51:03.331 --> 00:51:05.474
my own imprint and for you know and

00:51:05.494 --> 00:51:08.456
that was like my business name so uh

00:51:08.516 --> 00:51:09.958
you know for when i do taxes or

00:51:09.978 --> 00:51:12.000
like well are you with scattered or we

00:51:12.019 --> 00:51:13.541
you know so it was just for tax

00:51:13.581 --> 00:51:15.902
purposes really uh to avoid confusion

00:51:15.923 --> 00:51:18.106
there uh so studio comic express just sort

00:51:18.126 --> 00:51:19.226
of took it to the next level so

00:51:19.266 --> 00:51:21.027
now i'm able to go to conventions in

00:51:21.088 --> 00:51:21.528
toronto

00:51:22.188 --> 00:51:25.070
I was at Fan Expo this past August

00:51:25.110 --> 00:51:27.793
and hung out with Alfonso and Roxy and

00:51:28.313 --> 00:51:30.293
Craig and the rest of the gang.

00:51:31.414 --> 00:51:31.735
Jim?

00:51:31.815 --> 00:51:32.436
There you go.

00:51:32.596 --> 00:51:34.936
Persistence pays off is what the man is

00:51:34.956 --> 00:51:35.356
saying.

00:51:35.978 --> 00:51:36.217
Yeah.

00:51:36.458 --> 00:51:37.518
Well, yeah,

00:51:37.659 --> 00:51:39.179
that's exactly it because it was just,

00:51:40.219 --> 00:51:40.920
I mean, I'm not,

00:51:41.780 --> 00:51:43.621
I was never into this thinking like, oh,

00:51:43.682 --> 00:51:44.463
I'm going to be, you know,

00:51:44.483 --> 00:51:45.163
I'm going to make money.

00:51:47.264 --> 00:51:48.846
That's why we don't have nine to fives,

00:51:48.885 --> 00:51:49.065
man.

00:51:49.644 --> 00:51:52.507
No, so, but, I mean, I just,

00:51:52.606 --> 00:51:53.007
for me,

00:51:53.047 --> 00:51:54.927
just wanted to see this stuff done because

00:51:54.947 --> 00:51:56.389
there's, like, for me, it's like,

00:51:57.088 --> 00:51:58.148
as soon as I get a book back

00:51:58.168 --> 00:51:58.829
from the printer,

00:51:59.190 --> 00:52:01.050
there's no better feeling like opening up

00:52:01.110 --> 00:52:02.050
the book and reading it.

00:52:02.070 --> 00:52:02.851
Oh, yeah, I imagine.

00:52:03.512 --> 00:52:07.974
You know, so, they had, okay, finally,

00:52:08.014 --> 00:52:08.815
I was just finding this.

00:52:08.894 --> 00:52:10.835
Here's the cover to issue one.

00:52:11.615 --> 00:52:11.956
Dude,

00:52:11.976 --> 00:52:13.737
that's so cool seeing it without the color

00:52:13.797 --> 00:52:15.978
and without the, you know,

00:52:15.998 --> 00:52:17.820
all the effects and stuff like that added

00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:18.420
into it.

00:52:18.990 --> 00:52:20.271
So, okay,

00:52:20.311 --> 00:52:22.472
sort of funny story behind this is that,

00:52:22.512 --> 00:52:25.253
so I did a bunch of new Mercy

00:52:25.273 --> 00:52:26.693
Devil covers and I had to get Lucha

00:52:26.713 --> 00:52:28.034
Mystery One done because I had the

00:52:28.054 --> 00:52:29.293
convention to go to right away.

00:52:29.614 --> 00:52:30.393
So I was like, oh,

00:52:30.414 --> 00:52:30.873
what do I do?

00:52:30.914 --> 00:52:31.293
What do I do?

00:52:31.315 --> 00:52:33.894
So I was like, okay, background sky.

00:52:34.574 --> 00:52:35.536
It's at night.

00:52:37.170 --> 00:52:39.371
leave leave room for the logo and stuff

00:52:39.391 --> 00:52:41.891
like that and just like draw the battle

00:52:41.931 --> 00:52:44.211
royals Alfonso in the chat just calling

00:52:44.251 --> 00:52:46.012
dibs on everything you throw on the screen

00:52:46.032 --> 00:52:49.614
is like boobs it's like the um Finding

00:52:49.634 --> 00:52:55.315
Nemo the seagulls mine sure mine I'll take

00:52:55.396 --> 00:52:56.817
it'll take I'll take good care of it

00:52:56.836 --> 00:53:00.318
so um yeah like um yeah that uh

00:53:02.327 --> 00:53:04.927
That was the thing with Studio Commons.

00:53:04.947 --> 00:53:06.909
Just to introduce me to more people and

00:53:06.929 --> 00:53:07.168
stuff.

00:53:07.969 --> 00:53:10.791
It's like Toronto's the second largest,

00:53:10.891 --> 00:53:11.391
or I'm sorry,

00:53:11.490 --> 00:53:13.172
fourth largest city in North America.

00:53:13.472 --> 00:53:13.931
Yeah.

00:53:15.054 --> 00:53:17.896
It's quite a significant difference from

00:53:17.996 --> 00:53:19.938
Winnipeg.

00:53:19.978 --> 00:53:22.759
It's worked for a lot of different,

00:53:22.818 --> 00:53:24.300
or done work for a lot of different

00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:25.579
publishing companies.

00:53:26.300 --> 00:53:28.322
Antarctic Press, Dynamite, Tidal Wave,

00:53:28.382 --> 00:53:30.282
Marcosia, which we're very familiar with.

00:53:30.342 --> 00:53:32.443
I've had several people on from Marcosia.

00:53:33.884 --> 00:53:38.907
Snake, Mike, who does Zip Comic.

00:53:39.447 --> 00:53:42.889
I like what they're doing over there.

00:53:43.273 --> 00:53:46.094
They have a great library of books.

00:53:46.114 --> 00:53:48.396
They've also done work for Big Bang Comets

00:53:49.016 --> 00:53:49.836
and many, many more.

00:53:49.876 --> 00:53:51.257
There was a list.

00:53:51.858 --> 00:53:52.898
I could sit here and name them for

00:53:52.938 --> 00:53:54.099
another ten minutes probably.

00:53:54.739 --> 00:53:57.420
What did that freelancing teach you along

00:53:57.460 --> 00:53:59.001
the way?

00:53:59.282 --> 00:54:00.702
Okay, very good question.

00:54:01.163 --> 00:54:02.623
For the most part, really good.

00:54:05.170 --> 00:54:07.012
I guess made me realize my strengths and

00:54:07.052 --> 00:54:07.653
weaknesses.

00:54:08.195 --> 00:54:10.436
If I do freelance and depending what they

00:54:10.476 --> 00:54:10.958
want me to do,

00:54:10.998 --> 00:54:12.679
like they just want to cover or what

00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:14.722
have you, no problem.

00:54:14.762 --> 00:54:15.704
Like that's fine.

00:54:15.744 --> 00:54:17.226
That's actually kind of my preferred thing

00:54:17.565 --> 00:54:18.987
if they want a story or stuff.

00:54:20.409 --> 00:54:20.889
For example,

00:54:20.929 --> 00:54:22.811
working with Drew Edwards was really...

00:54:24.500 --> 00:54:26.581
waiting for this uh drew edwards was like

00:54:26.641 --> 00:54:28.501
really good and just like he'd sort of

00:54:28.521 --> 00:54:30.222
work marvel method so he just write up

00:54:30.242 --> 00:54:31.963
the plot of what happens on the page

00:54:32.103 --> 00:54:34.105
and then just lets me do whatever so

00:54:34.204 --> 00:54:36.987
and then he's never really asked for any

00:54:37.027 --> 00:54:38.608
changes or anything he's always happy with

00:54:38.708 --> 00:54:39.847
it so i i kind of like that

00:54:39.867 --> 00:54:42.170
like let me let me direct the book

00:54:42.289 --> 00:54:44.030
like you tell me what's happening and i'll

00:54:44.431 --> 00:54:46.072
i'll shoot it for you or i'll draw

00:54:46.132 --> 00:54:46.731
it for you

00:54:47.132 --> 00:54:48.894
Yeah, I'll set it up and stuff.

00:54:49.034 --> 00:54:49.916
And, you know,

00:54:49.936 --> 00:54:52.920
because it's my job to like sell the

00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:55.664
book in terms of like the image of

00:54:55.704 --> 00:54:57.427
it, you know, so like, you know,

00:54:57.447 --> 00:54:57.668
you see.

00:54:59.338 --> 00:55:01.079
um just something that's like eye-catching

00:55:01.219 --> 00:55:04.420
but yet tells the story so um there

00:55:04.521 --> 00:55:05.942
there was that that i had to learn

00:55:05.961 --> 00:55:08.543
with um freelance um for the most part

00:55:08.563 --> 00:55:10.923
it was like pretty pretty fun you know

00:55:10.943 --> 00:55:12.324
like there were some times that it just

00:55:12.384 --> 00:55:14.405
was not fun but it can all be

00:55:14.445 --> 00:55:16.565
winners i'm glad you brought that up so

00:55:16.846 --> 00:55:18.646
were there any publishers that like just

00:55:18.706 --> 00:55:20.208
pushed you to like the point where you

00:55:20.228 --> 00:55:20.708
were just like

00:55:21.592 --> 00:55:24.375
now I'm done with this shit or then

00:55:24.414 --> 00:55:26.735
just unrealistic, you know, like, Hey,

00:55:26.775 --> 00:55:28.657
I need, you know, this, this day.

00:55:28.996 --> 00:55:29.998
And it's like, dude,

00:55:30.038 --> 00:55:31.438
you want me to do what by tomorrow,

00:55:32.079 --> 00:55:33.320
you know, or anything like that?

00:55:33.860 --> 00:55:34.960
Um, I had a few, um,

00:55:35.041 --> 00:55:37.981
where I just, you know, I did,

00:55:38.121 --> 00:55:39.463
I did my part of saying what I

00:55:39.523 --> 00:55:41.945
said I was going to do and just,

00:55:42.204 --> 00:55:42.304
um,

00:55:43.286 --> 00:55:44.367
Sometimes it doesn't work out.

00:55:44.806 --> 00:55:46.128
I don't lose sleep over it.

00:55:46.708 --> 00:55:48.690
I just do what I do,

00:55:49.210 --> 00:55:52.532
get my money, thank you, and that's it.

00:55:53.813 --> 00:55:55.114
That's what it's all about at the end

00:55:55.155 --> 00:55:57.376
of the day, right?

00:55:57.615 --> 00:55:58.077
Yeah.

00:55:58.137 --> 00:55:59.338
Sometimes it just doesn't work out.

00:55:59.378 --> 00:56:01.318
If it doesn't work out, well,

00:56:01.358 --> 00:56:01.958
it's unfortunate,

00:56:01.998 --> 00:56:03.360
but I'm not going to dwell on it.

00:56:03.860 --> 00:56:06.402
That's another reason why I do my own

00:56:06.422 --> 00:56:06.702
books.

00:56:08.952 --> 00:56:13.436
So do you adapt your work to fit

00:56:13.476 --> 00:56:15.277
different styles and needs from these

00:56:15.717 --> 00:56:16.217
publishers?

00:56:16.277 --> 00:56:16.498
I mean,

00:56:16.617 --> 00:56:18.278
I know currently now you're doing your own

00:56:18.318 --> 00:56:18.518
thing.

00:56:18.539 --> 00:56:19.500
You're writing your own stuff,

00:56:19.519 --> 00:56:20.320
which is really dope,

00:56:20.340 --> 00:56:21.440
and I would love to see that kind

00:56:21.460 --> 00:56:21.880
of stuff.

00:56:22.802 --> 00:56:25.063
But when you were doing work for, say,

00:56:25.804 --> 00:56:27.925
I don't know, Dynamite, were they like,

00:56:27.985 --> 00:56:28.224
hey,

00:56:28.264 --> 00:56:29.985
we want it done this way in this

00:56:30.045 --> 00:56:31.726
style or kind of like this?

00:56:31.746 --> 00:56:32.648
Oh, man, yeah.

00:56:32.688 --> 00:56:34.289
No, the Dynamite one was, oh, geez,

00:56:34.329 --> 00:56:35.548
that was back in –

00:56:40.342 --> 00:56:43.505
back then like they were yeah i might

00:56:43.545 --> 00:56:45.085
we have today where they have all the

00:56:45.106 --> 00:56:47.827
old og like publications they're doing now

00:56:48.708 --> 00:56:51.371
like yeah and everything else yeah right

00:56:51.451 --> 00:56:54.713
no i would i um it was uh

00:56:54.733 --> 00:56:56.976
i guess friend of mine was he got

00:56:56.996 --> 00:56:59.898
them to it was a thing called war

00:56:59.918 --> 00:57:02.579
of the independence and i guess it was

00:57:02.599 --> 00:57:03.581
like a friend of a friend

00:57:04.320 --> 00:57:06.141
news was like hey i need something drawn

00:57:06.161 --> 00:57:07.541
i was like no problem so i drew

00:57:07.581 --> 00:57:09.523
it and that was pretty much it for

00:57:09.583 --> 00:57:11.543
me yeah it's just like a one pager

00:57:11.583 --> 00:57:13.844
kind of thing but it's published so uh

00:57:14.224 --> 00:57:16.125
hey dude that's something man it was the

00:57:16.786 --> 00:57:19.186
character called bounty hunter and there

00:57:19.226 --> 00:57:21.586
was the character the living corpse like

00:57:21.706 --> 00:57:23.527
okay and i think so yeah i did

00:57:23.648 --> 00:57:24.949
i did just draw like a one page

00:57:24.969 --> 00:57:28.409
kind of thing um wasn't too wasn't too

00:57:28.449 --> 00:57:30.170
crazy about the coloring job but hey it's

00:57:30.231 --> 00:57:31.170
not my hill to die on

00:57:31.891 --> 00:57:34.273
uh i just sort of like for the

00:57:34.293 --> 00:57:35.755
most part like freelance like i'm just a

00:57:35.775 --> 00:57:37.317
hired gun kind of thing so i don't

00:57:37.416 --> 00:57:41.139
really yeah and most like most uh people

00:57:41.159 --> 00:57:42.701
that i work with they already know like

00:57:43.342 --> 00:57:44.603
what they're getting into so it's like

00:57:44.623 --> 00:57:46.684
this is how it's like you know i

00:57:46.704 --> 00:57:47.666
kind of do it like i kind of

00:57:47.686 --> 00:57:49.387
have like lucha mystery looking a little

00:57:49.427 --> 00:57:52.108
bit different from from murder city devil

00:57:52.148 --> 00:57:54.952
but you know it's still an inquiry you

00:57:54.972 --> 00:57:56.793
could tell who the artist is though yeah

00:57:56.913 --> 00:57:58.215
right yeah so um

00:57:59.925 --> 00:58:00.447
It's funny.

00:58:00.487 --> 00:58:02.648
When you start reading comics and you

00:58:02.688 --> 00:58:04.929
start finding people that you really like

00:58:04.949 --> 00:58:05.891
from an art perspective,

00:58:05.911 --> 00:58:08.192
whether it be a cover artist that does

00:58:08.291 --> 00:58:10.974
pure covers or guys who do interiors,

00:58:11.454 --> 00:58:13.576
you start recognizing their work on the

00:58:13.596 --> 00:58:14.275
shelf.

00:58:14.315 --> 00:58:15.456
You walk in and you walk to the

00:58:15.476 --> 00:58:17.978
back to the comics and you're like, oh,

00:58:18.018 --> 00:58:19.340
there's a David Nakayama or…

00:58:20.199 --> 00:58:21.900
Hey, that's a Kirkham right there.

00:58:22.001 --> 00:58:24.081
You just start to know who certain artists

00:58:24.161 --> 00:58:25.641
are and you can just look at the

00:58:25.681 --> 00:58:27.402
work on the shelf and go, Oh,

00:58:27.422 --> 00:58:28.121
that's this person.

00:58:28.181 --> 00:58:29.061
Oh, that's this person.

00:58:29.121 --> 00:58:30.083
Oh, that's this person.

00:58:30.163 --> 00:58:32.443
And it's crazy now that like,

00:58:32.483 --> 00:58:34.304
I'm like really, really into,

00:58:35.403 --> 00:58:37.443
into comics to where I'm at now.

00:58:38.045 --> 00:58:38.425
And I'm like,

00:58:38.565 --> 00:58:40.864
it's crazy walking in and being like, Oh,

00:58:40.905 --> 00:58:42.326
that, that one looks like this person.

00:58:42.405 --> 00:58:43.485
And you pick it up and you flip

00:58:43.505 --> 00:58:44.346
it and you're like, Oh,

00:58:44.365 --> 00:58:45.106
it is that person.

00:58:45.425 --> 00:58:46.786
You're like Adam Hughes.

00:58:46.806 --> 00:58:47.266
I mean,

00:58:49.228 --> 00:58:50.208
I love his work, man.

00:58:50.289 --> 00:58:51.110
I love his work.

00:58:51.150 --> 00:58:53.851
He's one of those like anything he does

00:58:53.891 --> 00:58:54.833
that gets a foil,

00:58:54.893 --> 00:58:56.634
I will probably get it because the way

00:58:56.673 --> 00:58:58.135
he does his work and then when they

00:58:58.155 --> 00:58:59.677
put the foil on top of it,

00:58:59.916 --> 00:59:02.338
his work looks so amazing as foils.

00:59:02.958 --> 00:59:04.219
Oh, yeah, well,

00:59:04.239 --> 00:59:05.259
I like I think it was like back

00:59:05.298 --> 00:59:08.021
in the early two thousands, like, sorry,

00:59:08.061 --> 00:59:08.280
folks,

00:59:08.300 --> 00:59:09.882
but I'm not really like a video game

00:59:10.021 --> 00:59:10.523
person.

00:59:10.563 --> 00:59:12.884
But I bought a video game magazine because

00:59:12.903 --> 00:59:14.284
he just because he had the artwork in

00:59:14.344 --> 00:59:14.485
it.

00:59:14.525 --> 00:59:15.025
So I was like,

00:59:15.045 --> 00:59:16.405
I want to get this artwork.

00:59:16.425 --> 00:59:19.887
So yeah, like, yeah, that was, you know,

00:59:19.927 --> 00:59:21.528
kind of going up my wheelhouse there.

00:59:21.568 --> 00:59:23.349
But yeah, like, for me,

00:59:23.369 --> 00:59:25.972
do you have any dream collaborations on

00:59:26.012 --> 00:59:27.431
your list that you're like,

00:59:28.092 --> 00:59:29.673
I want to do this one before,

00:59:30.134 --> 00:59:31.594
you know, I'm dead and gone?

00:59:32.193 --> 00:59:32.733
Oh, well,

00:59:32.753 --> 00:59:34.393
there's one artist named Erica Hesse.

00:59:34.454 --> 00:59:35.213
Hi, Erica,

00:59:35.554 --> 00:59:37.855
that I've collaborated with just recently

00:59:38.054 --> 00:59:40.755
doing some cover for Lucha Mystery Three.

00:59:40.795 --> 00:59:41.536
She was inking it.

00:59:41.956 --> 00:59:43.976
We're trying to do like a Terry Rachel

00:59:44.016 --> 00:59:44.936
Dodson kind of thing.

00:59:46.836 --> 00:59:47.257
What else?

00:59:47.657 --> 00:59:49.038
For Dream Collaboration.

00:59:49.057 --> 00:59:51.358
I don't know.

00:59:51.378 --> 00:59:52.219
I haven't really thought of it.

00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:52.358
I mean,

00:59:52.378 --> 00:59:53.699
there's a lot of good indie creators.

00:59:53.759 --> 00:59:54.918
I'm just pretty much game for it.

00:59:54.958 --> 00:59:55.719
Like, anyone's like, hey,

00:59:55.739 --> 00:59:56.460
you want to work on this?

00:59:56.519 --> 00:59:56.860
Yeah, okay.

00:59:56.880 --> 01:00:00.021
Yeah, no, I get that.

01:00:00.041 --> 01:00:00.161
Yeah.

01:00:00.181 --> 01:00:00.581
I'm not...

01:00:02.112 --> 01:00:03.155
I don't know, because, I mean, if there's,

01:00:03.175 --> 01:00:04.719
like, people I admired, it's, like,

01:00:04.981 --> 01:00:06.425
I almost wouldn't want to because it's,

01:00:06.445 --> 01:00:08.451
like, I can't add anything to it.

01:00:08.510 --> 01:00:09.634
You know, like, it's, I'm not...

01:00:12.213 --> 01:00:13.574
I want to see Adam Hughes,

01:00:13.655 --> 01:00:14.494
one of my favorite artists,

01:00:14.514 --> 01:00:16.335
but I'd rather just see him do his

01:00:16.456 --> 01:00:16.836
own thing.

01:00:16.936 --> 01:00:17.617
I'm with you, dude.

01:00:17.836 --> 01:00:19.318
As much as it would be cool for

01:00:19.378 --> 01:00:21.739
him to go... If I ever did something,

01:00:21.858 --> 01:00:24.039
Adam Hughes said, hey, can I do this?

01:00:24.059 --> 01:00:24.780
I'm like, no,

01:00:24.940 --> 01:00:28.003
but I'd love your work too much to

01:00:28.063 --> 01:00:29.262
see it go.

01:00:30.123 --> 01:00:31.324
Mark Spears, for instance.

01:00:31.384 --> 01:00:32.684
I'm a huge Mark Spears guy.

01:00:32.844 --> 01:00:35.827
The way he does villains is like...

01:00:35.927 --> 01:00:37.467
I don't know what it is about the

01:00:37.487 --> 01:00:39.608
way Mark Spears does a villain, but...

01:00:40.505 --> 01:00:42.766
It's like everything in his body and soul

01:00:42.806 --> 01:00:45.967
goes into drawing the villains that he

01:00:46.007 --> 01:00:46.688
gets to do.

01:00:47.347 --> 01:00:48.967
And I'm just like, dude,

01:00:49.047 --> 01:00:51.009
every time I see Mark Spears' cover, A,

01:00:51.028 --> 01:00:51.909
you know it's his cover.

01:00:51.929 --> 01:00:51.989
Yes.

01:00:52.208 --> 01:00:53.250
Yeah.

01:00:53.269 --> 01:00:54.010
Yeah.

01:00:54.070 --> 01:00:54.869
And B,

01:00:54.949 --> 01:00:56.590
it's like it's coming home with me because

01:00:57.010 --> 01:00:59.311
it's Mark Spears' cover and his villains

01:00:59.351 --> 01:01:00.371
are just top notch.

01:01:00.411 --> 01:01:01.672
Like, I don't know what it is.

01:01:01.692 --> 01:01:02.931
Oh, yeah.

01:01:02.952 --> 01:01:03.992
He could draw a superhero.

01:01:04.032 --> 01:01:04.753
Don't get me wrong.

01:01:04.773 --> 01:01:04.873
Yeah.

01:01:07.092 --> 01:01:08.974
But the work he puts into villains is

01:01:09.034 --> 01:01:10.733
like the tip of the spear,

01:01:10.773 --> 01:01:11.414
in my opinion.

01:01:11.494 --> 01:01:12.855
Nobody does it better than him when it

01:01:12.875 --> 01:01:14.135
comes to doing a villain.

01:01:14.615 --> 01:01:15.675
Yeah, yeah.

01:01:16.036 --> 01:01:17.436
I saw the thing Spears, I think,

01:01:17.456 --> 01:01:20.538
did something on Instagram where he did

01:01:20.557 --> 01:01:22.358
like a spring-heeled jack pin-up or

01:01:22.378 --> 01:01:22.719
something.

01:01:22.798 --> 01:01:23.639
And I was just like...

01:01:24.458 --> 01:01:26.239
again it's public domain so it's like i

01:01:26.259 --> 01:01:27.519
didn't create the character i have a

01:01:27.539 --> 01:01:29.181
character based on him but it's you know

01:01:29.201 --> 01:01:31.023
you can do whatever but i saw it

01:01:31.043 --> 01:01:32.043
and i was like oh my god it's

01:01:32.103 --> 01:01:33.844
amazing but it was terrifying you know

01:01:33.864 --> 01:01:36.626
it's just like don't it's not something

01:01:36.646 --> 01:01:37.887
you put in a dark room and turn

01:01:37.927 --> 01:01:41.188
on the lights right away so you are

01:01:41.208 --> 01:01:42.849
you're talking about the covers he did for

01:01:42.889 --> 01:01:45.851
his book monster yeah yeah i think yeah

01:01:45.911 --> 01:01:49.755
yeah yeah no that book is amazing so

01:01:49.775 --> 01:01:52.016
you know that started life out as a

01:01:52.056 --> 01:01:52.836
card game

01:01:53.567 --> 01:01:55.148
oh okay no i did not know that

01:01:55.168 --> 01:01:57.452
he took his card game and made it

01:01:57.572 --> 01:02:00.574
into a comic book he was originally

01:02:00.655 --> 01:02:03.137
crowdfunding it through kickstarter and

01:02:03.157 --> 01:02:06.302
then the queen spy picked it up okay

01:02:06.722 --> 01:02:09.125
oh okay right right yeah okay that's how

01:02:09.144 --> 01:02:09.885
that happened yeah

01:02:11.666 --> 01:02:13.367
And like I said, Mark Spears, my dude,

01:02:13.768 --> 01:02:14.748
I love everything he does,

01:02:14.807 --> 01:02:16.268
especially if there's a villain on the

01:02:16.309 --> 01:02:17.969
cover.

01:02:18.168 --> 01:02:18.668
Yeah.

01:02:18.710 --> 01:02:20.469
Basically straight up villains on the

01:02:20.510 --> 01:02:20.789
cover.

01:02:21.190 --> 01:02:22.771
So, and they were his villains that,

01:02:22.811 --> 01:02:22.990
you know,

01:02:23.010 --> 01:02:24.510
they're all public domain type stuff.

01:02:24.530 --> 01:02:27.311
That's why, you know, and I'm just like,

01:02:27.331 --> 01:02:29.713
dude, I'll yeah.

01:02:29.773 --> 01:02:31.074
Mark Spears is my guy when it comes

01:02:31.114 --> 01:02:31.673
to a villain.

01:02:32.233 --> 01:02:33.474
Like you need a villain on the cover.

01:02:34.175 --> 01:02:34.614
Mark Spears.

01:02:34.635 --> 01:02:35.795
Oh yeah, absolutely.

01:02:35.815 --> 01:02:35.994
I mean,

01:02:36.014 --> 01:02:37.596
they're beating in a perfect world.

01:02:37.615 --> 01:02:38.335
I, um,

01:02:39.123 --> 01:02:40.623
Actually, interesting you mention that,

01:02:40.664 --> 01:02:42.786
because I do have, down the road,

01:02:42.925 --> 01:02:45.726
I want to have just a Murder City

01:02:45.766 --> 01:02:47.108
Devil pin-up book.

01:02:47.367 --> 01:02:48.688
And I've already gotten some artist

01:02:48.728 --> 01:02:50.650
friends already doing pin-ups.

01:02:50.931 --> 01:02:52.532
That would be dope.

01:02:52.552 --> 01:02:52.731
Yeah,

01:02:52.751 --> 01:02:55.672
so I got Stephen Butler from Sonic the

01:02:55.693 --> 01:02:56.373
Hedgehog Artist,

01:02:56.393 --> 01:02:57.954
but also a Marvel Comics artist.

01:02:59.175 --> 01:03:01.456
He did the Scarlet Spider and Silver Sable

01:03:01.577 --> 01:03:01.916
and stuff.

01:03:02.257 --> 01:03:03.438
He did a pin-up,

01:03:03.498 --> 01:03:04.438
and I didn't even ask him.

01:03:04.458 --> 01:03:05.760
He's like, oh, I just like the character,

01:03:05.780 --> 01:03:06.119
and he drew it.

01:03:06.139 --> 01:03:06.519
Oh, hang on.

01:03:08.583 --> 01:03:10.405
i just had a i'm trying to remember

01:03:10.445 --> 01:03:11.465
the name of the artist but i have

01:03:11.545 --> 01:03:13.005
one of his books right here that's why

01:03:13.025 --> 01:03:15.786
i'm like reaching over this is from last

01:03:15.826 --> 01:03:22.367
week i'm just looking for the out right

01:03:22.407 --> 01:03:27.530
here jimmy palmiati okay yeah his pinups

01:03:28.210 --> 01:03:32.291
because he did um the pop kill okay

01:03:32.311 --> 01:03:34.891
like his work is just amazing yeah i

01:03:34.972 --> 01:03:38.313
had i yeah like i had um

01:03:39.563 --> 01:03:40.684
Stephen Butler did one.

01:03:40.824 --> 01:03:42.724
Artist Dana Black did a pinup.

01:03:43.365 --> 01:03:46.487
Let's see, Todd Mizia.

01:03:46.688 --> 01:03:48.389
Hopefully I'm saying your last name right,

01:03:48.409 --> 01:03:48.568
Todd.

01:03:48.588 --> 01:03:48.989
I'm sorry.

01:03:49.409 --> 01:03:51.831
And Brett Wood all did like pinups.

01:03:51.871 --> 01:03:52.271
And I'm like,

01:03:52.592 --> 01:03:53.431
I got to get some more.

01:03:53.472 --> 01:03:55.014
That's going to be dope, man.

01:03:55.034 --> 01:03:55.273
Actually.

01:03:55.293 --> 01:03:55.494
Yeah.

01:03:57.132 --> 01:03:59.773
I know Zenscope does a lot.

01:04:00.032 --> 01:04:01.474
They take all their characters at the end

01:04:01.514 --> 01:04:04.056
of the year and they do bikini specials

01:04:04.096 --> 01:04:04.416
with them.

01:04:04.436 --> 01:04:05.896
They do pin-up specials with them.

01:04:05.916 --> 01:04:07.699
They do a monthly calendar with all their

01:04:07.719 --> 01:04:08.338
characters.

01:04:09.679 --> 01:04:13.282
They're one of the few companies that do

01:04:13.342 --> 01:04:13.742
it that way.

01:04:13.762 --> 01:04:16.123
I know Marvel does their yearly swimsuit

01:04:16.465 --> 01:04:18.385
issues and stuff like that.

01:04:18.405 --> 01:04:18.826
But to me,

01:04:18.885 --> 01:04:21.268
Zenscope does it better than anybody else.

01:04:22.608 --> 01:04:24.009
yeah they got their they got the really

01:04:24.028 --> 01:04:25.550
got the uh the handle on the ladies

01:04:25.570 --> 01:04:28.713
so they do they do and it's kind

01:04:28.733 --> 01:04:30.735
of what they're known for and that's okay

01:04:31.414 --> 01:04:33.217
you have your own identity and they have

01:04:33.257 --> 01:04:35.938
their own identity so i don't fault them

01:04:35.978 --> 01:04:38.141
for it somebody's got to do it and

01:04:38.161 --> 01:04:40.443
it's gonna sell someone's gonna well yeah

01:04:40.463 --> 01:04:41.784
i mean they got they really cornered the

01:04:41.824 --> 01:04:43.605
market on cheesecake there so you know and

01:04:43.826 --> 01:04:43.985
that

01:04:44.954 --> 01:04:47.376
fine and here's the thing is like there's

01:04:47.536 --> 01:04:48.898
this this is why i like comics because

01:04:48.918 --> 01:04:50.619
there's something for everyone from all

01:04:50.659 --> 01:04:52.320
walks of life from everyone you know like

01:04:52.340 --> 01:04:53.800
you can say that probably every single

01:04:53.820 --> 01:04:56.621
show yeah right and and it's like um

01:04:57.503 --> 01:04:59.443
i don't for me personally if there's a

01:04:59.483 --> 01:05:01.045
book i don't care for you know what

01:05:01.144 --> 01:05:02.746
i do then i don't read it don't

01:05:02.786 --> 01:05:05.228
read it yeah you know like i made

01:05:05.248 --> 01:05:07.909
it through eight issues of absolute flash

01:05:07.929 --> 01:05:10.670
before i was just like i've lost all

01:05:10.751 --> 01:05:11.592
interest in this now

01:05:12.409 --> 01:05:14.391
Listen, I... And I canceled it.

01:05:14.411 --> 01:05:14.610
I'm like,

01:05:14.791 --> 01:05:15.871
I don't want to see it no more.

01:05:16.853 --> 01:05:18.835
I stuck with, because I'm Canadian,

01:05:18.954 --> 01:05:20.876
Alpha Flight to the bitter end on their

01:05:20.896 --> 01:05:21.277
first run.

01:05:21.356 --> 01:05:22.617
I stuck with Jetson.

01:05:27.646 --> 01:05:29.186
You're a glutton, my man.

01:05:29.467 --> 01:05:35.070
I stuck with Justice League Europe until

01:05:35.110 --> 01:05:35.610
the bitter end.

01:05:35.630 --> 01:05:36.130
I don't know.

01:05:36.851 --> 01:05:38.652
Why would you do that to yourself?

01:05:38.711 --> 01:05:40.193
Because I thought maybe it would pick up

01:05:40.233 --> 01:05:40.833
and get better.

01:05:40.952 --> 01:05:44.775
I can't say nothing because I've stuck

01:05:44.795 --> 01:05:46.916
with Butts way longer than I should have.

01:05:47.195 --> 01:05:49.237
Finally,

01:05:49.317 --> 01:05:51.018
you go to read that one issue where

01:05:51.038 --> 01:05:52.498
it's supposed to pick back up again and

01:05:52.539 --> 01:05:54.920
you're like, this is garbage.

01:05:55.885 --> 01:05:56.786
Case in point, Daredevil.

01:05:56.806 --> 01:05:57.447
I'm not going to say the name of

01:05:57.467 --> 01:05:59.048
the book because it's still ongoing.

01:05:59.248 --> 01:06:00.811
I'll say the name of the book.

01:06:00.871 --> 01:06:02.012
I just did Daredevil.

01:06:02.072 --> 01:06:05.014
This was in the nineties when he was

01:06:05.054 --> 01:06:06.757
getting into the gray costume with the

01:06:06.918 --> 01:06:08.820
armor or whatever, which was like, okay,

01:06:08.840 --> 01:06:09.380
that's neat.

01:06:10.141 --> 01:06:11.181
I didn't like the costume.

01:06:12.831 --> 01:06:13.992
like I didn't mind change but it's like

01:06:14.032 --> 01:06:15.594
could you at least have a story that

01:06:15.653 --> 01:06:18.675
makes sense yeah I did like I enjoyed

01:06:18.695 --> 01:06:20.016
that I don't I don't read a lot

01:06:20.036 --> 01:06:21.918
of Marvel Comics or a lot of DC

01:06:22.498 --> 01:06:24.920
but I really really enjoyed Erica

01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:26.322
Schultz's run on Daredevil okay never

01:06:26.342 --> 01:06:30.505
haven't read it yet but it was amazing

01:06:30.585 --> 01:06:31.985
she did it was I think it was

01:06:32.065 --> 01:06:36.849
six issues okay because it was the um

01:06:36.889 --> 01:06:39.711
the mature audience one in the poly bag

01:06:40.474 --> 01:06:40.954
Oh.

01:06:40.974 --> 01:06:42.576
So it had the blood, the violence,

01:06:42.615 --> 01:06:43.036
the cussing.

01:06:43.056 --> 01:06:43.315
Yeah.

01:06:44.336 --> 01:06:47.197
It was an unadulterated daredevil.

01:06:47.217 --> 01:06:47.297
Okay.

01:06:48.518 --> 01:06:51.199
And it was just an amazing, amazing run.

01:06:51.739 --> 01:06:53.900
Elektra pits up the mantle once again.

01:06:53.920 --> 01:06:54.260
Oh, yeah.

01:06:54.320 --> 01:06:54.902
Okay.

01:06:54.942 --> 01:06:55.342
Right.

01:06:55.461 --> 01:06:57.583
Yeah.

01:06:57.643 --> 01:06:57.802
Yeah.

01:06:57.822 --> 01:06:59.184
It was really good.

01:06:59.623 --> 01:06:59.943
And to me,

01:07:00.003 --> 01:07:01.525
Erica Schultz is an underrated writer

01:07:02.045 --> 01:07:03.985
because she also does Rat City for Todd

01:07:04.005 --> 01:07:04.905
McFarlane's Spawn.

01:07:04.925 --> 01:07:05.126
Oh, yeah.

01:07:05.146 --> 01:07:05.626
And I've heard that.

01:07:05.686 --> 01:07:07.106
There's so much that.

01:07:09.987 --> 01:07:11.670
I haven't kept up with the literature,

01:07:11.789 --> 01:07:12.510
and I'm trying to,

01:07:12.570 --> 01:07:13.773
so now I'm just trying to buy as

01:07:13.833 --> 01:07:14.293
much trade.

01:07:14.333 --> 01:07:15.135
It's hard, dude.

01:07:15.896 --> 01:07:18.739
I have a, like, these boxes are,

01:07:18.778 --> 01:07:21.242
these are all, like, they've been read,

01:07:21.523 --> 01:07:22.965
but I have another box at my feet

01:07:23.005 --> 01:07:24.005
of stuff that I'm, like...

01:07:24.833 --> 01:07:27.114
in the process of reading and i always

01:07:27.213 --> 01:07:29.514
keep like two or three of the same

01:07:29.954 --> 01:07:32.675
book in the box okay the way when

01:07:32.695 --> 01:07:34.536
the new one comes in i read the

01:07:34.576 --> 01:07:36.177
issue before and then read the next one

01:07:36.416 --> 01:07:38.797
if it's like a monthly book because you're

01:07:38.818 --> 01:07:40.958
like it's been a month i forgot what's

01:07:40.998 --> 01:07:41.677
going on yeah yeah

01:07:43.880 --> 01:07:45.262
So you pick it back up and you

01:07:45.302 --> 01:07:46.943
read, read last month and you're like,

01:07:46.983 --> 01:07:47.103
okay.

01:07:47.123 --> 01:07:48.085
And then you pick up the new one

01:07:48.125 --> 01:07:48.704
and you read it.

01:07:49.166 --> 01:07:50.847
Then it goes to a permanent box,

01:07:50.907 --> 01:07:52.949
you know, it goes to a permanent home.

01:07:52.969 --> 01:07:54.050
That's how I've always done it.

01:07:54.070 --> 01:07:56.052
I always keep like one to two months

01:07:56.132 --> 01:07:56.994
of the same book.

01:07:57.974 --> 01:07:59.697
That way I can go back and read

01:07:59.717 --> 01:08:01.018
because some of the books, like I said,

01:08:01.059 --> 01:08:02.260
are some are monthly.

01:08:03.041 --> 01:08:03.981
Some are like,

01:08:04.525 --> 01:08:06.726
every other month and some take a pause

01:08:06.746 --> 01:08:09.086
for like six months and you're like,

01:08:09.867 --> 01:08:12.708
did this book just die?

01:08:12.768 --> 01:08:14.849
All of a sudden you're like, oh,

01:08:14.889 --> 01:08:15.469
it's back.

01:08:15.949 --> 01:08:18.350
I'm like, well, who's writing it now?

01:08:19.072 --> 01:08:20.152
Oh, it's the same person,

01:08:20.212 --> 01:08:21.733
but they just took a six month break

01:08:21.752 --> 01:08:23.373
from this book to focus on another book.

01:08:25.354 --> 01:08:26.055
Whatever works.

01:08:26.095 --> 01:08:27.135
I don't make deadlines.

01:08:28.649 --> 01:08:31.110
was a was it when kevin smith did

01:08:31.131 --> 01:08:33.313
the black cat comic like back in like

01:08:33.332 --> 01:08:35.916
yeah whatever yeah like five years ago and

01:08:35.935 --> 01:08:37.617
like just the i think it was like

01:08:37.756 --> 01:08:40.219
issue the first three issues were great

01:08:40.238 --> 01:08:42.261
and like the dodson's drew it so it's

01:08:42.301 --> 01:08:45.524
really nice but like issue four or five

01:08:45.583 --> 01:08:47.645
or whatever just like never came out until

01:08:47.666 --> 01:08:49.106
like i don't know if it was like

01:08:49.228 --> 01:08:51.649
eight years later or something or what

01:08:51.890 --> 01:08:53.792
actually yeah they got busy with movies

01:08:55.484 --> 01:08:57.006
I guess it, you know, it happens.

01:08:57.587 --> 01:08:58.988
I wanted to talk, though, like, I mean,

01:08:59.188 --> 01:08:59.627
I really,

01:08:59.868 --> 01:09:01.630
and I apologize to anyone reading those

01:09:01.689 --> 01:09:03.771
wanting to have Murder City Devil V or

01:09:03.811 --> 01:09:05.233
Lucha Mystery IV come out.

01:09:05.632 --> 01:09:07.354
They will in twenty twenty six,

01:09:07.474 --> 01:09:09.475
because obviously it's the end of December

01:09:09.515 --> 01:09:09.716
now.

01:09:10.115 --> 01:09:10.596
Yeah.

01:09:10.617 --> 01:09:12.238
Are we talking first quarter twenty twenty

01:09:12.297 --> 01:09:13.219
six or?

01:09:15.220 --> 01:09:17.082
I'm hoping I'm hoping I got I have

01:09:17.242 --> 01:09:20.423
I have Murder City Devil V is penciled.

01:09:21.005 --> 01:09:22.626
I just got to ink it and then

01:09:22.666 --> 01:09:23.806
I got to get it colored and then

01:09:23.846 --> 01:09:24.967
Kickstarter is go.

01:09:25.935 --> 01:09:30.556
I'm glad you brought that up because walk

01:09:30.596 --> 01:09:32.697
us through that creative process from

01:09:34.518 --> 01:09:36.137
blank page to finished comic.

01:09:36.158 --> 01:09:37.399
Are you a traditional guy?

01:09:37.418 --> 01:09:39.760
Are you a traditional and digital guy?

01:09:40.479 --> 01:09:41.439
How do you normally do it?

01:09:41.960 --> 01:09:46.341
I usually just do some thumbnail sketches.

01:09:46.981 --> 01:09:48.681
I have it here on my drafting table,

01:09:48.702 --> 01:09:49.743
just really rough stuff.

01:09:50.722 --> 01:09:52.904
Here's an illustration I'm working on

01:09:52.963 --> 01:09:53.304
right now.

01:09:54.336 --> 01:09:57.278
This is for a cover for Luchadores vs.

01:09:57.377 --> 01:09:58.037
Everybody.

01:09:58.057 --> 01:10:01.880
I'm trying to remember the publisher now.

01:10:01.920 --> 01:10:03.060
The moment you mention it,

01:10:03.079 --> 01:10:04.841
somebody's like, I'm waiting for it, man.

01:10:05.280 --> 01:10:05.640
Yeah.

01:10:06.101 --> 01:10:06.822
I like it.

01:10:07.242 --> 01:10:07.561
Dude,

01:10:07.641 --> 01:10:09.382
anytime you get hype behind your book and

01:10:09.403 --> 01:10:10.783
people are hopping in going, dude,

01:10:10.823 --> 01:10:12.184
where is Murray City Devil?

01:10:13.085 --> 01:10:15.605
Yeah, I do have that in it.

01:10:15.666 --> 01:10:18.146
So I'll just clean up the pencils and

01:10:18.167 --> 01:10:20.148
then I'll just ink it directly on the

01:10:20.587 --> 01:10:21.769
page here, like on the board.

01:10:22.699 --> 01:10:24.119
because i know people who do the ink

01:10:24.159 --> 01:10:27.100
on the paper or the drawing on the

01:10:27.140 --> 01:10:28.962
paper and then they scan it and then

01:10:28.981 --> 01:10:30.862
do the colors digitally that way they can

01:10:30.881 --> 01:10:33.103
add more depth and they can start you

01:10:33.122 --> 01:10:34.483
know if something messes up they can go

01:10:34.502 --> 01:10:37.003
back and kind of redo it yeah well

01:10:37.024 --> 01:10:38.783
that like i mean for me it's it's

01:10:38.844 --> 01:10:41.085
like i'll have it uh you know just

01:10:41.125 --> 01:10:43.005
ink the page and then i'll scan it

01:10:43.024 --> 01:10:44.466
in and send it to diego vasquez and

01:10:44.485 --> 01:10:46.865
then he colors it and then sends it

01:10:46.886 --> 01:10:49.146
back and then um i take like um

01:10:50.372 --> 01:10:51.853
i'll just like i'll do the lettering on

01:10:51.872 --> 01:10:53.873
computer because like my hand my hand

01:10:53.913 --> 01:10:57.414
lettering is atrocious um so and plus i

01:10:57.435 --> 01:10:59.475
want people to read the damn thing yeah

01:10:59.534 --> 01:11:02.536
it's gonna be legible yeah and so um

01:11:02.655 --> 01:11:04.237
and i just don't have the imagination to

01:11:04.256 --> 01:11:06.136
be a good letterer in terms of like

01:11:06.197 --> 01:11:07.777
sound effects and stuff like that have you

01:11:07.818 --> 01:11:09.257
not thought about like getting somebody

01:11:09.318 --> 01:11:11.578
else to do the lettering or i have

01:11:11.979 --> 01:11:14.099
um it's just it comes down to cost

01:11:14.479 --> 01:11:15.378
you know what i mean so like i

01:11:15.418 --> 01:11:16.779
mean i know exactly but i

01:11:18.621 --> 01:11:20.082
I was thinking of doing my own coloring,

01:11:20.122 --> 01:11:21.524
but Diego just does everything.

01:11:21.564 --> 01:11:23.225
We've worked so long together,

01:11:23.385 --> 01:11:27.229
and I don't really have to babysit him

01:11:27.269 --> 01:11:27.889
or anything like that.

01:11:27.988 --> 01:11:28.250
Yeah,

01:11:28.270 --> 01:11:29.650
just hand him the page and let him

01:11:29.690 --> 01:11:29.951
go.

01:11:30.350 --> 01:11:30.551
Yeah,

01:11:30.912 --> 01:11:32.653
and he's really good at lighting things,

01:11:32.712 --> 01:11:33.914
so I really like that.

01:11:35.055 --> 01:11:37.016
And we just work well together.

01:11:38.230 --> 01:11:40.971
so um yeah like and i i tried

01:11:41.011 --> 01:11:43.153
to do everything myself just because

01:11:43.172 --> 01:11:44.394
that's i'm just really picky too so um

01:11:44.413 --> 01:11:47.636
you know according to alfonso diego is a

01:11:47.676 --> 01:11:51.056
machine yeah coloring he's locked away

01:11:51.117 --> 01:11:54.399
he's in the closet out at alfonso's studio

01:11:54.618 --> 01:11:55.559
he's just in there man

01:11:57.228 --> 01:11:59.850
it was funny just a quick collaboration on

01:11:59.890 --> 01:12:01.911
the lucha mystery number three cover which

01:12:01.990 --> 01:12:03.231
i don't have the art because i sent

01:12:03.252 --> 01:12:05.173
it to erica to ink but it's funny

01:12:05.213 --> 01:12:07.454
i just realized like it's all north

01:12:07.494 --> 01:12:09.337
american because it's like i'm canadian

01:12:09.436 --> 01:12:12.078
erica's in the states and uh and diego's

01:12:12.118 --> 01:12:15.680
in mexico so that's dope though this is

01:12:15.740 --> 01:12:16.622
a nafta cover

01:12:18.925 --> 01:12:22.430
I know I just had Matt Hasso on

01:12:22.449 --> 01:12:22.630
here.

01:12:22.710 --> 01:12:23.110
Okay, yeah.

01:12:24.192 --> 01:12:26.135
And Heartstroke,

01:12:26.154 --> 01:12:27.417
the artist that did Quickwire,

01:12:27.476 --> 01:12:28.679
he's from Mexico as well.

01:12:28.738 --> 01:12:29.198
Okay, right.

01:12:30.902 --> 01:12:32.403
Really good, really great artists.

01:12:32.443 --> 01:12:34.744
That's another thing about comics is that

01:12:34.805 --> 01:12:36.725
you just meet great people.

01:12:36.746 --> 01:12:36.985
Dude,

01:12:37.025 --> 01:12:39.287
South America to me is a hotbed right

01:12:39.328 --> 01:12:39.627
now.

01:12:40.127 --> 01:12:41.429
And I'm not just talking about Mexico.

01:12:41.488 --> 01:12:42.949
I'm talking about the entirety of South

01:12:42.989 --> 01:12:43.369
America.

01:12:43.390 --> 01:12:44.190
Oh, South America, yeah, yeah.

01:12:45.832 --> 01:12:48.673
Argentinian artist Francisco Nilo,

01:12:49.033 --> 01:12:49.935
great friend of mine.

01:12:51.496 --> 01:12:54.417
I just had Steve Bino from Comets Asylum

01:12:54.457 --> 01:12:56.399
on here with his comic book, Atrium.

01:12:57.259 --> 01:12:58.819
and the artist on that book is a

01:12:58.880 --> 01:13:04.140
brazilian okay yeah so yeah this has been

01:13:04.161 --> 01:13:06.341
like my year of awakening since i started

01:13:06.381 --> 01:13:09.802
doing like pure indie comic stuff and i

01:13:09.922 --> 01:13:12.703
i've loved it man it's been amazing like

01:13:12.863 --> 01:13:15.425
italian artist and so i'm getting to meet

01:13:15.505 --> 01:13:17.525
all these really amazing people from all

01:13:17.605 --> 01:13:20.567
over the world and uh see their work

01:13:20.587 --> 01:13:21.827
and i'm just like dude there's so many

01:13:21.867 --> 01:13:23.868
great people out there not just like

01:13:24.507 --> 01:13:25.528
within our bubble,

01:13:25.568 --> 01:13:27.628
you got to break open your bubble and

01:13:27.649 --> 01:13:29.269
like kind of let yourself explore the

01:13:29.309 --> 01:13:29.529
world.

01:13:29.689 --> 01:13:32.229
Yeah, you got it.

01:13:32.310 --> 01:13:33.130
And that's the thing.

01:13:33.210 --> 01:13:34.331
And like we were talking about before,

01:13:34.350 --> 01:13:36.110
it's like comics is like for everybody.

01:13:36.390 --> 01:13:38.051
And honestly, I think like if anything,

01:13:38.091 --> 01:13:41.311
comics brings more people together that

01:13:41.372 --> 01:13:42.832
you otherwise would not talk to.

01:13:42.893 --> 01:13:44.033
I mean, I don't know.

01:13:44.972 --> 01:13:45.273
Lately,

01:13:45.292 --> 01:13:47.453
there was like some fighting and stuff.

01:13:48.216 --> 01:13:48.596
That's fine.

01:13:48.617 --> 01:13:50.238
It's really not.

01:13:50.257 --> 01:13:51.978
That's like a yearly thing that happens,

01:13:52.018 --> 01:13:52.378
though.

01:13:52.439 --> 01:13:53.979
There's always going to be one or two

01:13:54.059 --> 01:13:55.380
artists beefing or.

01:13:55.520 --> 01:13:58.261
Yeah, you know, and it's like, yeah,

01:13:58.280 --> 01:13:59.180
stuff doesn't work.

01:13:59.261 --> 01:14:01.082
I mean, that's what that's why, you know,

01:14:01.122 --> 01:14:03.122
you just take them to court then,

01:14:03.243 --> 01:14:03.462
I guess,

01:14:03.483 --> 01:14:06.163
and deal with it as opposed to bitching

01:14:06.184 --> 01:14:06.944
about it online.

01:14:07.679 --> 01:14:09.819
So this is the question that I ask

01:14:10.119 --> 01:14:11.699
everybody, literally everybody.

01:14:12.381 --> 01:14:15.100
And the answer is almost always the same

01:14:15.421 --> 01:14:16.761
with a variation to it.

01:14:16.782 --> 01:14:17.862
Sure.

01:14:17.881 --> 01:14:20.162
That is advice for creators trying to

01:14:20.243 --> 01:14:23.264
break into indie comments today.

01:14:23.804 --> 01:14:24.463
Oh, okay.

01:14:24.784 --> 01:14:24.984
Okay.

01:14:26.824 --> 01:14:28.025
Uh, Hey indie creators.

01:14:28.086 --> 01:14:29.046
So you have a book.

01:14:30.301 --> 01:14:30.521
Good.

01:14:30.662 --> 01:14:33.182
No, I would say, honestly, though,

01:14:33.222 --> 01:14:34.163
just finish it.

01:14:34.524 --> 01:14:36.324
Finish your books.

01:14:36.604 --> 01:14:37.845
Just finish your books.

01:14:38.345 --> 01:14:39.225
It's not going to be,

01:14:39.365 --> 01:14:42.247
I wasted about a good decade trying to

01:14:42.287 --> 01:14:43.287
be a perfectionist.

01:14:44.328 --> 01:14:45.229
Just finish your books.

01:14:46.091 --> 01:14:48.252
You will get better and better as time

01:14:48.292 --> 01:14:48.813
goes on.

01:14:49.432 --> 01:14:54.136
And just finish your books and just go

01:14:54.176 --> 01:14:54.936
on to the next one.

01:14:55.157 --> 01:14:55.917
And just, you know,

01:14:55.938 --> 01:14:57.078
if you have an idea in your head,

01:14:57.399 --> 01:14:59.039
get it out there and, you know,

01:14:59.060 --> 01:15:00.661
share it with the world and, you know.

01:15:01.430 --> 01:15:02.631
to say, this is what's on my mind.

01:15:02.650 --> 01:15:03.931
This is what I find entertaining.

01:15:04.051 --> 01:15:06.672
And like I said before, earlier,

01:15:06.693 --> 01:15:08.734
one of the best feelings,

01:15:08.753 --> 01:15:09.854
especially if you're a creator,

01:15:09.934 --> 01:15:11.213
is getting your books back from the

01:15:11.274 --> 01:15:13.194
printer and flipping through it and just

01:15:13.255 --> 01:15:13.654
reading it.

01:15:13.814 --> 01:15:16.256
I can't imagine the smell.

01:15:16.315 --> 01:15:18.077
The moment you open the box and that

01:15:18.176 --> 01:15:20.557
new comic book smell just wafts into the

01:15:20.738 --> 01:15:20.898
air.

01:15:21.818 --> 01:15:23.859
like dude that to me would be like

01:15:24.340 --> 01:15:25.859
one of these days i'm gonna sit down

01:15:25.899 --> 01:15:28.822
and commit to writing a comic book yeah

01:15:28.881 --> 01:15:30.523
well now i have another book i want

01:15:30.542 --> 01:15:34.645
to write but um there's a there's one

01:15:34.706 --> 01:15:38.948
i'm currently i'm i'm hashing out ideas

01:15:39.007 --> 01:15:41.310
and thoughts and brain cells on right now

01:15:42.250 --> 01:15:44.912
and hopefully in january or february

01:15:45.932 --> 01:15:48.574
I've already got my artist and we'll sit

01:15:48.614 --> 01:15:50.936
down and actually start putting it

01:15:50.957 --> 01:15:52.958
together in that timeframe.

01:15:53.800 --> 01:15:55.201
That's going to be a very fun project.

01:15:55.240 --> 01:15:56.481
It's probably going to be five to six

01:15:56.521 --> 01:15:57.323
books on that one.

01:15:57.342 --> 01:15:58.904
Okay.

01:15:58.944 --> 01:15:59.925
Starting with a zero.

01:16:00.166 --> 01:16:01.966
So technically I guess it would be seven.

01:16:01.987 --> 01:16:03.889
Yeah, right.

01:16:03.908 --> 01:16:05.010
But we are definitely going to start with

01:16:05.029 --> 01:16:07.072
the issue zero to tell a backstory before

01:16:07.112 --> 01:16:08.353
we go into the modern day.

01:16:09.434 --> 01:16:11.855
But yeah.

01:16:13.074 --> 01:16:14.976
I can't wait just to open that box

01:16:15.037 --> 01:16:17.037
and just the new comic book smell.

01:16:17.078 --> 01:16:18.298
It's like one of my favorite smells in

01:16:18.319 --> 01:16:18.640
the world.

01:16:19.039 --> 01:16:19.159
Yeah.

01:16:19.180 --> 01:16:20.400
Yeah.

01:16:20.421 --> 01:16:22.262
Like going into an indie bookstore or a

01:16:22.342 --> 01:16:23.904
bookstore, like an old one.

01:16:23.923 --> 01:16:24.024
Yeah.

01:16:24.043 --> 01:16:28.087
Well, yeah, I can see there's a,

01:16:28.127 --> 01:16:28.728
there's a few.

01:16:28.768 --> 01:16:29.087
Yeah.

01:16:29.127 --> 01:16:30.269
That some were kind of like, yeah,

01:16:30.309 --> 01:16:30.949
I'm a bookstore.

01:16:30.989 --> 01:16:32.430
And others like, Oh God,

01:16:32.470 --> 01:16:33.231
is this a bookstore?

01:16:34.773 --> 01:16:35.514
There's two people,

01:16:35.573 --> 01:16:36.935
two different people in the world, right?

01:16:36.975 --> 01:16:37.655
Those that love it.

01:16:37.695 --> 01:16:38.315
And those that are like,

01:16:38.336 --> 01:16:39.176
this smells like ass.

01:16:40.703 --> 01:16:40.842
Yeah.

01:16:40.903 --> 01:16:42.083
Moldy ass in here.

01:16:42.104 --> 01:16:47.407
I know one or two bookstores here.

01:16:47.447 --> 01:16:48.747
I know one that I won't even go

01:16:48.807 --> 01:16:53.711
to because I was just like,

01:16:53.730 --> 01:16:54.771
that ain't book smell.

01:16:54.851 --> 01:16:56.313
What the hell is that?

01:16:56.353 --> 01:16:57.273
Again,

01:16:57.412 --> 01:16:59.094
it's just sometimes more questions than

01:16:59.194 --> 01:16:59.614
answers.

01:17:00.595 --> 01:17:02.235
Let's do a quick hit section.

01:17:02.837 --> 01:17:05.918
And the first thing comes to your head

01:17:05.939 --> 01:17:06.878
when I ask the question.

01:17:06.899 --> 01:17:07.300
All right.

01:17:07.899 --> 01:17:07.979
Okay.

01:17:08.310 --> 01:17:10.373
Favorite comic creator of all time.

01:17:10.774 --> 01:17:11.635
Oh, Jesus.

01:17:12.817 --> 01:17:14.679
And it can't be Jesus, all right?

01:17:15.319 --> 01:17:17.863
Talking about real people.

01:17:17.923 --> 01:17:21.929
No, I'm just kidding.

01:17:21.969 --> 01:17:22.248
All right.

01:17:22.270 --> 01:17:24.632
Settle down, folks.

01:17:24.653 --> 01:17:25.394
Comic creator?

01:17:26.399 --> 01:17:27.761
Yeah, man.

01:17:27.780 --> 01:17:29.661
This is a rapid-fire section of the

01:17:29.761 --> 01:17:30.081
interview.

01:17:30.100 --> 01:17:30.902
No, it's not.

01:17:30.921 --> 01:17:32.042
You're not even supposed to be wasting

01:17:32.082 --> 01:17:32.862
brain cells on this.

01:17:32.881 --> 01:17:34.243
You're just supposed to fire it off.

01:17:34.262 --> 01:17:37.363
Hey, comic creator, Jaime Hernandez.

01:17:37.644 --> 01:17:40.305
Okay.

01:17:41.225 --> 01:17:46.006
One book every indie creator should read.

01:17:46.046 --> 01:17:48.846
Mouse.

01:17:48.867 --> 01:17:50.747
Character you wish you created.

01:17:52.952 --> 01:17:55.634
Murder City Devil and Ray Diablo and Queen

01:17:55.694 --> 01:17:55.854
Rock.

01:17:55.913 --> 01:17:57.255
Oh, wait, I did.

01:17:58.895 --> 01:18:00.077
I like that answer, dude.

01:18:00.096 --> 01:18:02.358
Hell no, that's a perfect answer.

01:18:02.618 --> 01:18:04.199
I'm so glad you did that.

01:18:04.840 --> 01:18:05.640
That's my heel turn.

01:18:05.720 --> 01:18:07.542
The next one was coffee or energy drink,

01:18:07.561 --> 01:18:09.042
but you've been pounding coffee since we

01:18:09.082 --> 01:18:09.743
went live.

01:18:12.064 --> 01:18:12.324
Yeah, right.

01:18:12.345 --> 01:18:15.046
Conflor Hustle or Online Grind?

01:18:21.554 --> 01:18:25.418
The Comic-Con floor or just grinding

01:18:25.479 --> 01:18:26.800
online and selling books through

01:18:26.819 --> 01:18:27.801
Kickstarter in that way?

01:18:29.023 --> 01:18:30.225
Personally,

01:18:30.244 --> 01:18:32.407
I'm a Comic-Con guy just to meet people

01:18:32.466 --> 01:18:34.088
and introduce your book and yourself to

01:18:34.128 --> 01:18:34.409
people.

01:18:35.020 --> 01:18:37.161
yeah um i'd have to sorry i'd have

01:18:37.201 --> 01:18:38.780
to say online grind just the fact that

01:18:38.841 --> 01:18:40.680
i love meeting people but i don't have

01:18:40.740 --> 01:18:42.702
that i don't have the art of the

01:18:42.801 --> 01:18:45.021
pitch because i'm also drawing usually at

01:18:45.061 --> 01:18:48.162
conventions yeah by doing sketches so it's

01:18:48.182 --> 01:18:49.103
sort of like you have to be too

01:18:49.122 --> 01:18:52.243
difficult yeah so i mean i can still

01:18:52.283 --> 01:18:54.465
talk and and draw but usually i'm drawing

01:18:54.564 --> 01:18:58.025
so online grind yeah you gotta bring in

01:18:58.046 --> 01:18:59.445
a pitch man with you to the con

01:18:59.466 --> 01:18:59.706
floor

01:19:00.350 --> 01:19:00.869
Mm-hmm.

01:19:00.909 --> 01:19:01.190
Yeah.

01:19:01.871 --> 01:19:03.271
Well, it's usually just buy this.

01:19:03.391 --> 01:19:04.153
It's good.

01:19:04.172 --> 01:19:05.673
Buy my book.

01:19:05.974 --> 01:19:06.514
Yeah, right.

01:19:07.255 --> 01:19:07.395
Hmm.

01:19:07.515 --> 01:19:08.676
I said buy my book.

01:19:08.796 --> 01:19:09.596
Yeah, buy my book.

01:19:09.657 --> 01:19:09.917
Idiot.

01:19:09.936 --> 01:19:10.197
Idiot.

01:19:10.957 --> 01:19:13.779
Just buy the book, you idiot.

01:19:13.859 --> 01:19:16.561
You just made the list.

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That was dear to me.

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Yeah.

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All right, dude.

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Plug your social media and tell everybody

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where they can find you.

01:19:26.216 --> 01:19:26.716
All right, folks.

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So if you want issues of Murder City

01:19:29.338 --> 01:19:31.159
Devil and or Lucha Mystery,

01:19:31.220 --> 01:19:34.523
you can go to studiocomicspress.ca.

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You can go to my website,

01:19:37.386 --> 01:19:39.068
Cyclone Comics Studios,

01:19:39.127 --> 01:19:41.250
which is Cyclone spelled P-S-L-O-N-E.

01:19:41.670 --> 01:19:46.631
P-S-Y-C-L-O-N-E for Cyclone Comic Studios.

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And you can have all the links there

01:19:48.893 --> 01:19:49.993
to purchase my books.

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And yeah, like I said,

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studiocomicspress.ca.

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You can also go to globalcomics with an

01:19:56.037 --> 01:19:56.056
X.

01:19:56.932 --> 01:19:59.514
for the digital versions where you can get

01:19:59.554 --> 01:19:59.913
those.

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And yeah,

01:20:00.894 --> 01:20:03.295
just check out the books and give me

01:20:03.314 --> 01:20:03.835
some feedback.

01:20:03.875 --> 01:20:05.055
Tell me what you like about them,

01:20:05.074 --> 01:20:06.435
what you don't like about them.

01:20:06.536 --> 01:20:08.475
All those links he just mentioned are in

01:20:08.515 --> 01:20:11.356
the description of this video right now.

01:20:11.896 --> 01:20:14.256
It will also be on the re-release of

01:20:14.297 --> 01:20:16.658
the video when it gets re-released.

01:20:17.078 --> 01:20:19.158
So there'll be no excuse to where you

01:20:19.198 --> 01:20:19.899
can't find Evan.

01:20:21.948 --> 01:20:22.769
It'll be easy.

01:20:22.788 --> 01:20:23.429
It's going to be a link.

01:20:23.469 --> 01:20:24.149
Just click it.

01:20:24.449 --> 01:20:25.310
But check him out.

01:20:25.890 --> 01:20:26.610
Great stuff.

01:20:26.692 --> 01:20:28.051
I've had the opportunity to read his

01:20:28.152 --> 01:20:28.552
books.

01:20:29.252 --> 01:20:30.713
And I'm like everybody else now.

01:20:30.734 --> 01:20:32.654
I'm like, when am I getting issue five,

01:20:32.695 --> 01:20:32.876
bro?

01:20:32.895 --> 01:20:33.195
OK, come on.

01:20:36.438 --> 01:20:38.498
So this has been Evan,

01:20:38.819 --> 01:20:40.900
creator of Murder City Devil,

01:20:41.360 --> 01:20:43.622
Lucha Mystery, support Indie Comics,

01:20:44.082 --> 01:20:47.244
support creator owned worlds.

01:20:47.786 --> 01:20:50.386
And this is the chairman and the Council

01:20:50.426 --> 01:20:50.948
of Nerds.

01:20:51.810 --> 01:20:52.840
is adjourned.