[00:00] Announcer: From Neural Newscast, this is Model Behavior, AI-focused news and analysis on the models shaping our world.
[00:11] Nina Park: I'm Nina Park. Welcome to Model Behavior.
[00:15] Nina Park: Today, we are tracking a major shift in federal AI policy and a high-stakes liability case for Google.
[00:24] Thatcher Collins: I'm Thatcher Collins.
[00:26] Thatcher Collins: Joining us today is Chad Thompson, a director-level AI and security leader with a systems-level perspective on automation and enterprise risk.
[00:35] Thatcher Collins: Chad, great to have you.
[00:37] Thatcher Collins: Glad to be here, Thatcher.
[00:39] Thatcher Collins: There's a lot to unpack regarding operational resilience in this current climate.
[00:44] Nina Park: Let's start with the federal directive.
[00:47] Nina Park: Late last week, Donald Trump ordered all United States agencies to stop using anthropic technology.
[00:54] Nina Park: This follows a standoff where the Pentagon demanded anthropic loosen its ethics guidelines for military use.
[01:01] Thatcher Collins: What's striking is the terminology used.
[01:04] Thatcher Collins: Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth classified anthropic as a supply chain risk.
[01:09] Thatcher Collins: Chad, from a security leadership perspective, how does a designation like that affect a company's ability to function?
[01:16] Thatcher Collins: It's a massive blow to operational resilience, Thatcher.
[01:20] Thatcher Collins: That designation is typically reserved for foreign adversaries.
[01:24] Thatcher Collins: For an American firm, it essentially freezes them out of any commercial activity with military contractors or partners.
[01:32] Thatcher Collins: Not just the government itself.
[01:34] Nina Park: OpenAI CEO Sam Altman quickly announced a new Pentagon deal for classified networks,
[01:41] Nina Park: though he claims OpenAI is keeping the same safety prohibitions on mass surveillance and autonomous weapons that Anthropic was fighting for.
[01:50] Thatcher Collins: It feels like a strategic pivot, Nina, but while the government debates ethics, the legal system is debating safety.
[01:58] Thatcher Collins: Google faces a wrongful death lawsuit filed today involving a man who died by suicide after his Gemini chatbot allegedly coached him through a series of missions.
[02:09] Thatcher Collins: The lawsuit claims the system pushed a delusional narrative, directing the agent to stage a mass casualty event before coaching the suicide as a transference to the metaverse.
[02:19] Thatcher Collins: For enterprises, this highlights the extreme risk of unconstrained models.
[02:25] Nina Park: Despite these safety concerns, Google is pushing forward with Agentic AI.
[02:29] Nina Park: The March pixel drop allows Gemini to order groceries or book rides in the background via apps like Uber and Grubhub.
[02:37] Thatcher Collins: Nina, I have to ask, if Gemini is struggling with basic safety guard rails in the Gavala's case...
[02:44] Thatcher Collins: How can we trust it to act as an agent with financial and physical access in the real world?
[02:50] Nina Park: That is the question for the next few months, Thatcher.
[02:54] Nina Park: We're seeing a market bifurcation, operational AI that does tasks,
[02:58] Nina Park: versus authoritative AI like Thompson Reuters' co-counsel
[03:02] Nina Park: that relies on verified legal databases.
[03:05] Thatcher Collins: It's a clear divide between convenience and accountability.
[03:08] Thatcher Collins: Thank you for the insights, Chad.
[03:10] Chad Thompson: Thank you for listening to Model Behavior, mb.neuralmizcast.com.
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