1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,510 So I see this big flash of light come out of 2 00:00:03,510 --> 00:00:05,520 the phone, hits me in the face, and throws me 3 00:00:05,520 --> 00:00:06,870 back like a rag doll. 4 00:00:07,620 --> 00:00:10,569 And it really threw me backwards. 5 00:00:10,610 --> 00:00:12,740 And that's when things really got interesting 6 00:00:12,740 --> 00:00:17,510 because as I was being thrown backwards, all of a sudden 7 00:00:17,510 --> 00:00:20,949 I had this very strange sensation of moving forwards. 8 00:00:24,049 --> 00:00:26,329 My guest today is Dr. 9 00:00:26,329 --> 00:00:28,039 Tony Cicoria, MD. 10 00:00:28,099 --> 00:00:28,999 He just prefers Tony. 11 00:00:29,429 --> 00:00:32,039 He's a practicing orthopedic surgeon who had a near 12 00:00:32,039 --> 00:00:35,249 death experience back in 1994, and he's here to 13 00:00:35,249 --> 00:00:38,159 tell us what caused his NDE and some of the pretty 14 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:39,959 amazing things that have happened to him since then. 15 00:00:40,409 --> 00:00:43,410 Tony, welcome and thanks so much for coming on the show. 16 00:00:43,854 --> 00:00:44,335 Thank you. 17 00:00:44,335 --> 00:00:46,254 I appreciate being invited. 18 00:00:46,705 --> 00:00:47,425 It's pretty crazy. 19 00:00:47,425 --> 00:00:49,074 This opposite ends of the earth thing, isn't it? 20 00:00:49,175 --> 00:00:52,810 Oh, it, it is absolutely incredible that, you go 21 00:00:52,815 --> 00:00:55,780 through life thinking, is there going to be a tomorrow? 22 00:00:55,989 --> 00:00:58,389 And here I am talking to somebody in tomorrow. 23 00:00:59,189 --> 00:00:59,409 yep. 24 00:00:59,849 --> 00:01:02,189 I guess you're a guarantee that there is a tomorrow. 25 00:01:02,524 --> 00:01:03,124 Exactly. 26 00:01:03,214 --> 00:01:03,574 Yep. 27 00:01:03,634 --> 00:01:04,144 I'm Friday. 28 00:01:04,144 --> 00:01:04,804 Your Thursday. 29 00:01:05,234 --> 00:01:07,124 Tony, would you give us a little bit of background 30 00:01:07,154 --> 00:01:09,944 on your life up to the day of your NDE and then 31 00:01:09,944 --> 00:01:10,754 we can go from there? 32 00:01:11,259 --> 00:01:11,649 Okay. 33 00:01:12,229 --> 00:01:16,100 I grew up in upstate New York, Kingston, New York. 34 00:01:16,899 --> 00:01:21,610 I went to the Citadel, which was a military college in 35 00:01:21,610 --> 00:01:24,589 South Carolina in 1970. 36 00:01:25,389 --> 00:01:31,469 And when I graduated, I went to get my PhD in physiology 37 00:01:32,270 --> 00:01:35,955 and I had the great honor to work with Albert St. 38 00:01:35,955 --> 00:01:38,984 Georgie, my senior year in college. 39 00:01:39,444 --> 00:01:44,554 He was up at the Massachusetts one of the Oceanic labs, 40 00:01:44,554 --> 00:01:45,634 and I'm drawing a blank. 41 00:01:46,434 --> 00:01:49,249 At any rate, I thought for sure that I wanted 42 00:01:49,249 --> 00:01:54,899 to be a scientist and I went to get my PhD. 43 00:01:55,699 --> 00:02:00,429 And when I finished, the options were limited 44 00:02:00,429 --> 00:02:02,289 for what I wanted to do. 45 00:02:02,379 --> 00:02:06,809 I could be a lab rat in somebody's basement. 46 00:02:07,589 --> 00:02:11,069 And I thought that this, it's not what I 47 00:02:11,074 --> 00:02:12,089 thought it was gonna be. 48 00:02:12,889 --> 00:02:16,759 At the time I was in love with the idea of the old 49 00:02:16,759 --> 00:02:20,769 scientists and they would, go for walks in the park around 50 00:02:20,774 --> 00:02:24,109 the lake and share great ideas and help each other. 51 00:02:24,114 --> 00:02:26,649 And all of that disappeared over time. 52 00:02:26,789 --> 00:02:30,689 And it became a publish or perish environment. 53 00:02:30,694 --> 00:02:32,699 And I thought, you know what? 54 00:02:32,699 --> 00:02:34,969 I'm gonna take it a step further. 55 00:02:34,969 --> 00:02:36,649 And I decided to go to medical school. 56 00:02:37,084 --> 00:02:41,044 So as soon as I finished, I continued at the same place 57 00:02:41,044 --> 00:02:43,264 at the Medical University of South Carolina and 58 00:02:43,984 --> 00:02:46,354 and decided to get my MD. 59 00:02:46,894 --> 00:02:51,064 And as I was going through that, trying to decide what 60 00:02:51,064 --> 00:02:54,064 type of physician I wanted to be, I decided I wanted 61 00:02:54,069 --> 00:02:56,884 to be an orthopedic surgeon because I was always one 62 00:02:56,884 --> 00:02:58,924 of those kids that liked to take things apart and put 63 00:02:58,924 --> 00:02:59,884 'em back together again. 64 00:03:00,574 --> 00:03:03,124 So it seemed like a natural aptitude for me. 65 00:03:03,924 --> 00:03:11,874 And so I did that and in 1988 I started working and we were 66 00:03:11,874 --> 00:03:15,599 in upstate New York a place called Oneonta, New York. 67 00:03:16,319 --> 00:03:21,849 And my wife normally would have a big party every August 68 00:03:22,649 --> 00:03:28,769 and in this particular August of 1994 was gonna be at a 69 00:03:28,769 --> 00:03:33,199 place called Sleepy Hollow Lake in upstate New York, 70 00:03:33,199 --> 00:03:36,609 which is just below Albany, and that's where we're 71 00:03:36,614 --> 00:03:38,479 gonna have this big party. 72 00:03:39,279 --> 00:03:40,779 About 25 people. 73 00:03:41,579 --> 00:03:43,049 Lots of kids running around. 74 00:03:43,049 --> 00:03:46,729 And my wife had rented a pavilion to have this 75 00:03:47,269 --> 00:03:49,069 multiple birthday party at. 76 00:03:49,869 --> 00:03:53,379 And I was elected the cook, and that's the 77 00:03:53,379 --> 00:03:54,889 way the day started. 78 00:03:55,689 --> 00:04:00,319 And then as I was out working the barbecue I thought I 79 00:04:00,319 --> 00:04:04,549 hadn't checked on my mom cuz she was not there and I 80 00:04:04,549 --> 00:04:05,809 thought I better go call her. 81 00:04:05,809 --> 00:04:10,219 So I, I got somebody to cover the barbecue and I walked 82 00:04:10,219 --> 00:04:12,709 around in the front of the building and there was a 83 00:04:12,714 --> 00:04:17,549 payphone attached to it and I'm gonna give my mom a call. 84 00:04:18,179 --> 00:04:21,889 And I picked up the phone and I dialed her number and 85 00:04:21,889 --> 00:04:25,249 let it ring 4, 5, 6 times and she never picked up. 86 00:04:25,249 --> 00:04:28,569 So I was, I thought, oh, I, I'll try again later. 87 00:04:29,139 --> 00:04:34,239 And as I took the phone away from my face I heard a huge 88 00:04:34,239 --> 00:04:39,299 crack and I saw this big flash of light come out of the phone 89 00:04:39,749 --> 00:04:43,699 and hit me in the face, and I knew exactly what it was. 90 00:04:43,699 --> 00:04:46,264 It was like a lightning strike. 91 00:04:46,684 --> 00:04:49,804 What I hadn't realized because I was paying attention to the 92 00:04:49,804 --> 00:04:53,524 grill, was that a storm cloud had brewed up over the lake 93 00:04:53,584 --> 00:04:57,474 that we were next to, and I hadn't been paying attention. 94 00:04:58,274 --> 00:05:01,384 So I see this big flash of light come out of 95 00:05:01,384 --> 00:05:03,394 the phone, hits me in the face, and throws me 96 00:05:03,394 --> 00:05:04,744 back like a rag doll. 97 00:05:05,494 --> 00:05:08,444 And it really threw me backwards. 98 00:05:08,484 --> 00:05:12,354 And that's when things really got interesting because as I 99 00:05:12,354 --> 00:05:15,804 was being thrown backwards, all of a sudden I had this 100 00:05:15,809 --> 00:05:20,814 very strange sensation of moving forwards And I remember 101 00:05:20,814 --> 00:05:23,904 standing there thinking, how is this possible? 102 00:05:23,909 --> 00:05:27,945 I know I got hit, I saw it, and I knew I'd been 103 00:05:27,945 --> 00:05:29,835 thrown back like a rag doll. 104 00:05:30,195 --> 00:05:33,435 And here I am standing and I'm looking around. 105 00:05:33,435 --> 00:05:36,015 I look at the phone and the phone is just dangling. 106 00:05:36,815 --> 00:05:39,850 And nothing's making any sense. 107 00:05:40,300 --> 00:05:44,110 And at that point I hear my mother-in-law screaming and 108 00:05:44,110 --> 00:05:46,980 I'm down at the bottom of the stairs and everybody else is 109 00:05:46,985 --> 00:05:51,450 up on the first floor and I hear her screaming and all of 110 00:05:51,450 --> 00:05:54,130 a sudden she's running down the stairs right at me and 111 00:05:54,420 --> 00:05:56,820 I'm thinking, and it's not good when your mother-in-law's 112 00:05:56,820 --> 00:05:58,260 screaming and running at you. 113 00:05:59,060 --> 00:06:03,890 And as she got down in front of me, I could tell that 114 00:06:03,890 --> 00:06:08,830 she couldn't see me cuz she was looking off to her left. 115 00:06:09,430 --> 00:06:12,490 And as she got to the bottom of the stairs, it was 116 00:06:12,490 --> 00:06:13,960 like I wasn't even there. 117 00:06:14,290 --> 00:06:16,330 And she just took off to the left and I thought, 118 00:06:16,330 --> 00:06:17,620 what the hell is going on? 119 00:06:18,050 --> 00:06:21,990 And so I started to follow her and I took a few steps 120 00:06:22,790 --> 00:06:25,340 following her and all of a sudden I'm confronted 121 00:06:25,340 --> 00:06:27,230 with myself on the ground. 122 00:06:28,030 --> 00:06:32,610 And I remember looking down and going, oh shit, I'm dead. 123 00:06:33,410 --> 00:06:34,900 It wa it was a shock. 124 00:06:34,950 --> 00:06:37,410 I guess all of my life I thought that, when you 125 00:06:37,410 --> 00:06:41,250 died there would be some sort of notification. 126 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:46,345 Either who knows what it was, but I didn't expect to 127 00:06:46,345 --> 00:06:48,950 have it not even be known. 128 00:06:49,750 --> 00:06:51,550 I thought there'd be some bells or whistles 129 00:06:51,550 --> 00:06:54,250 that would go off, but it was absolutely nothing. 130 00:06:54,300 --> 00:06:57,150 So I'm standing there and I'm looking at myself on 131 00:06:57,150 --> 00:07:01,810 the ground, and as this is happening, my mind is racing 132 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,950 like crazy and I'm trying to make sense of this and 133 00:07:04,950 --> 00:07:08,320 all of a sudden I'm saying to myself, wait a minute. 134 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:10,840 I'm thinking just like I normally would. 135 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:15,690 And I'm obviously not in that body that's on the ground. 136 00:07:16,140 --> 00:07:17,580 I'm standing out here. 137 00:07:18,030 --> 00:07:19,230 I can hear everybody. 138 00:07:19,230 --> 00:07:22,980 I can see everybody, but nobody can see or hear me. 139 00:07:22,980 --> 00:07:26,010 And I'm trying to get their attention and 140 00:07:26,100 --> 00:07:27,450 nothing seemed to work. 141 00:07:28,250 --> 00:07:32,780 And then I saw this lady who actually was waiting 142 00:07:32,780 --> 00:07:34,520 to use the phone behind me. 143 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,570 And she started to get down to do CPR. 144 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,600 Turns out she was a nurse from one of the local hospitals, 145 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:43,690 and how fortuitous is that? 146 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,400 Get struck by lightning and have somebody waiting 147 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,030 to save your ass from going to the other side. 148 00:07:49,830 --> 00:07:52,080 So she got down and she starts doing what 149 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:53,070 she's supposed to do. 150 00:07:53,790 --> 00:07:56,340 And at this point I'm thinking, nobody can see 151 00:07:56,340 --> 00:07:57,690 me, nobody can hear me. 152 00:07:58,275 --> 00:08:01,855 And I'm feeling stupid and I thought I'm gonna go check 153 00:08:01,855 --> 00:08:06,405 on my family cuz they were upstairs and my wife and 154 00:08:06,525 --> 00:08:07,905 my three kids are up there. 155 00:08:07,995 --> 00:08:09,980 And I thought I'm gonna go up the stairs and 156 00:08:10,340 --> 00:08:11,210 see what's going on. 157 00:08:11,215 --> 00:08:14,290 So I walk over to the stairs and I start to go up and I 158 00:08:14,290 --> 00:08:16,000 get to about the third stair. 159 00:08:16,525 --> 00:08:19,405 And I'm looking down at the stairs cuz I always, 160 00:08:19,705 --> 00:08:22,365 I'm afraid I'm gonna fall face forward on the stairs. 161 00:08:22,365 --> 00:08:23,775 So I always watch what I'm doing. 162 00:08:24,465 --> 00:08:27,975 And as I'm looking down, I noticed that my legs are 163 00:08:27,975 --> 00:08:32,375 starting to dissolve and I thought, whoa, this is 164 00:08:32,380 --> 00:08:33,525 getting really intense. 165 00:08:34,325 --> 00:08:36,385 And I just kept going up the stairs. 166 00:08:36,385 --> 00:08:38,395 By the time I got to the top of the stairs, 167 00:08:38,845 --> 00:08:40,195 I had lost all form. 168 00:08:40,195 --> 00:08:41,635 I was just a ball of energy. 169 00:08:42,435 --> 00:08:44,450 And the stairs go off to the left. 170 00:08:44,450 --> 00:08:46,100 And I said, what the hell? 171 00:08:46,100 --> 00:08:47,480 I'm not gonna go up the stairs. 172 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:48,830 I just went through the wall. 173 00:08:49,630 --> 00:08:53,520 And when I got to the other side of the wall, I came out 174 00:08:53,530 --> 00:08:57,550 right over the top of where my wife was sitting and she's 175 00:08:57,550 --> 00:08:59,110 painting children's faces. 176 00:08:59,140 --> 00:09:02,570 And I made a mental note of where the kids were, where 177 00:09:02,630 --> 00:09:04,010 who was standing where. 178 00:09:04,500 --> 00:09:07,410 Who the kids were and what pattern they were standing in. 179 00:09:08,210 --> 00:09:10,520 I don't know why I did that, but I did. 180 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:15,345 And later on I verified that was exactly the 181 00:09:15,345 --> 00:09:16,485 way they were standing. 182 00:09:17,285 --> 00:09:22,205 And so traveled through this room and when I got to 183 00:09:22,205 --> 00:09:24,575 the other side of the room, I was going on a diagonal 184 00:09:24,575 --> 00:09:25,775 and I went through the roof. 185 00:09:26,525 --> 00:09:28,745 And suddenly I'm outside. 186 00:09:29,465 --> 00:09:32,345 And that's when things really got crazy interesting 187 00:09:32,855 --> 00:09:36,755 because it was like I had fallen into a river of pure 188 00:09:36,755 --> 00:09:43,155 positive energy and there wasn't anything in this river 189 00:09:43,205 --> 00:09:48,725 of energy except absolute love and absolute peace. 190 00:09:49,205 --> 00:09:53,865 And it was just, it was absolutely shaking to 191 00:09:53,865 --> 00:09:57,485 experience it because it was devoid of anything else. 192 00:09:58,265 --> 00:10:01,585 And it was this bluish white light and it had a sparkly 193 00:10:01,585 --> 00:10:04,225 appearance to it, and it made me think of when I was 194 00:10:04,230 --> 00:10:07,555 a kid and I'd be swimming in a crystal clear stream 195 00:10:07,975 --> 00:10:11,005 and I'd see the sun shining through the water as I 196 00:10:11,005 --> 00:10:12,265 was underneath the water. 197 00:10:13,065 --> 00:10:15,405 And it reminded me of that. 198 00:10:15,455 --> 00:10:20,615 And as I was looking at this light energy, and I could 199 00:10:20,615 --> 00:10:21,845 tell what it felt like. 200 00:10:22,475 --> 00:10:26,045 And as I looked around, I started to see that 201 00:10:26,375 --> 00:10:30,845 whatever this energy was, it actually made up everything. 202 00:10:31,445 --> 00:10:34,490 And I could look at the trees and see the energy 203 00:10:34,495 --> 00:10:39,700 flowing into the trees and everything was made up of 204 00:10:39,700 --> 00:10:40,960 whatever this energy was. 205 00:10:40,990 --> 00:10:43,900 And I thought to myself, I'm thinking, this 206 00:10:43,900 --> 00:10:45,070 is the God energy. 207 00:10:45,070 --> 00:10:48,300 This is what everything is made of. 208 00:10:49,100 --> 00:10:52,210 And I thought, this is so powerful. 209 00:10:52,210 --> 00:10:53,680 I can, I could measure this. 210 00:10:53,680 --> 00:10:57,200 And so my science brain is kicking in going, we can, 211 00:10:57,230 --> 00:10:58,160 we could look at this. 212 00:10:58,190 --> 00:11:01,460 And I'm like, but and the more I looked at it, 213 00:11:01,460 --> 00:11:04,910 I could actually see the energy pattern and it 214 00:11:04,910 --> 00:11:06,435 had a sine wave pattern. 215 00:11:06,485 --> 00:11:07,925 And I could see it flowing. 216 00:11:08,475 --> 00:11:09,885 And it went through everything. 217 00:11:10,285 --> 00:11:13,425 And at this point I could tell that I was moving someplace. 218 00:11:14,125 --> 00:11:15,835 Had no idea where I was going. 219 00:11:16,385 --> 00:11:19,055 But I could feel speed and direction. 220 00:11:19,785 --> 00:11:23,560 So I was accelerating in, into something, but I had no idea 221 00:11:23,560 --> 00:11:31,120 what, and at this point I've become absolutely euphoric 222 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,080 over the fact that this is the greatest thing that could 223 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:35,220 ever happen to somebody. 224 00:11:35,970 --> 00:11:40,290 And I, I had a short period where I saw high points 225 00:11:40,290 --> 00:11:41,670 and low points in my life. 226 00:11:42,060 --> 00:11:45,555 Almost like a collage of pictures just, showed me 227 00:11:45,560 --> 00:11:48,635 pictures of this and this and that and there wasn't 228 00:11:48,635 --> 00:11:50,105 a lot of emotion around it. 229 00:11:50,105 --> 00:11:52,440 It was just, these are things that happened in 230 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:56,450 your life that were of some significance, and there was 231 00:11:56,450 --> 00:12:00,100 no explanation other than the fact that they just passed on. 232 00:12:00,900 --> 00:12:05,305 And so I settled down and I'm floating in this river 233 00:12:05,725 --> 00:12:08,005 of pure positive energy. 234 00:12:08,005 --> 00:12:10,965 And I'm thinking, again, this is the greatest thing that 235 00:12:10,965 --> 00:12:12,075 could ever happen to somebody. 236 00:12:12,075 --> 00:12:14,415 And I was just excited about where it was going. 237 00:12:15,115 --> 00:12:18,465 And then all of a sudden it was like somebody flipped 238 00:12:18,465 --> 00:12:24,805 a switch and I was back in my body and I was pissed. 239 00:12:25,375 --> 00:12:29,025 I was like, no, don't make me go back and you 240 00:12:29,025 --> 00:12:30,045 can't do this to me. 241 00:12:30,845 --> 00:12:34,000 And I quickly realized that's not up to me. 242 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:39,010 And I'm laying there on the ground and in the place 243 00:12:39,220 --> 00:12:42,905 where it hit me in the face and came out my foot, it 244 00:12:42,905 --> 00:12:45,785 felt like somebody had taken hot pokers and stuck them 245 00:12:45,785 --> 00:12:46,715 in both of those places. 246 00:12:47,125 --> 00:12:50,525 But I'm still unconscious and the lady who was next 247 00:12:50,525 --> 00:12:53,315 to me had stopped CPR and she's just kneeling next to 248 00:12:53,315 --> 00:12:56,675 me, but I still can't open my eyes or look at anybody. 249 00:12:57,395 --> 00:13:03,375 And so it took several minutes before I had enough mental 250 00:13:03,375 --> 00:13:06,430 function to be able to open my eyes and say anything. 251 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,180 And at that point I just embarrassed myself because 252 00:13:09,630 --> 00:13:12,930 the first thing I said to this lady who's kneeling next 253 00:13:12,930 --> 00:13:16,940 to me, that saved my life, I said, it's okay I'm a doctor. 254 00:13:17,450 --> 00:13:20,150 And she just kinda laughed and she said you 255 00:13:20,155 --> 00:13:21,230 weren't a minute ago. 256 00:13:21,890 --> 00:13:24,495 And I thought, okay, none of this is making sense 257 00:13:24,595 --> 00:13:26,735 and I'm just making a fool of myself, so I'm gonna 258 00:13:26,735 --> 00:13:28,915 shut up, which I did. 259 00:13:29,425 --> 00:13:32,035 And of course, the police and the ambulance came and 260 00:13:32,035 --> 00:13:33,385 I said, no, I'm not going. 261 00:13:34,148 --> 00:13:35,403 When you get struck by lightning, you're 262 00:13:35,403 --> 00:13:36,333 either alive or dead. 263 00:13:36,333 --> 00:13:37,443 There's not much in between. 264 00:13:38,243 --> 00:13:41,883 And it's, at that point I said, just talk to my family. 265 00:13:41,883 --> 00:13:42,813 And I said, take me home. 266 00:13:42,813 --> 00:13:48,973 Let me see my cardiologist, my neurologist and let's, 267 00:13:48,973 --> 00:13:50,383 let me just get out of this. 268 00:13:51,183 --> 00:13:52,313 So that's what happened. 269 00:13:52,313 --> 00:13:56,183 And so they took me home and I saw my doctors and 270 00:13:56,783 --> 00:13:58,103 everybody said the same thing. 271 00:13:58,108 --> 00:13:59,278 You're lucky to be here. 272 00:14:00,023 --> 00:14:05,133 And I was like, okay but I was tormented by what did it mean? 273 00:14:05,543 --> 00:14:08,968 When I started to think about it and, everything in life 274 00:14:08,973 --> 00:14:10,888 is a series of probabilities. 275 00:14:11,088 --> 00:14:14,848 And I started thinking about what's the possibility or 276 00:14:14,853 --> 00:14:20,078 the probability of a bolt of lightning, several million 277 00:14:20,108 --> 00:14:23,828 volts worth, striking a building, losing enough of 278 00:14:23,828 --> 00:14:28,088 its current by the time it gets to you that it doesn't 279 00:14:28,088 --> 00:14:31,598 turn you into a french fry, it just stops your heart. 280 00:14:32,288 --> 00:14:35,848 And then I think, and what's the probability of having 281 00:14:36,098 --> 00:14:40,618 a nurse standing behind you so that just in case 282 00:14:40,618 --> 00:14:43,738 you got a little too much, somebody was gonna be there 283 00:14:43,738 --> 00:14:45,208 to jumpstart your heart again. 284 00:14:46,008 --> 00:14:48,738 And, when I started looking at all this stuff, 285 00:14:48,738 --> 00:14:51,168 I'm thinking there's nothing random about this. 286 00:14:51,968 --> 00:14:55,538 And as Einstein used to say, God does not throw dice. 287 00:14:55,938 --> 00:14:57,018 And that's true. 288 00:14:57,068 --> 00:14:59,838 And I'm a firm believer that everything 289 00:14:59,843 --> 00:15:00,578 happens for a reason. 290 00:15:01,078 --> 00:15:02,909 But I was given no reasons. 291 00:15:02,909 --> 00:15:04,049 I had no idea. 292 00:15:04,799 --> 00:15:08,699 And I was haunted by the fact that this thing had happened 293 00:15:08,749 --> 00:15:11,739 and I had no idea why and what it meant or what I was 294 00:15:11,739 --> 00:15:12,849 supposed to take from it. 295 00:15:13,649 --> 00:15:17,859 And then shortly after that, it was about two 296 00:15:17,864 --> 00:15:19,179 weeks after the event. 297 00:15:19,749 --> 00:15:22,539 So after the lightning, it took me about a week 298 00:15:23,279 --> 00:15:26,859 to get the circuits running again properly. 299 00:15:27,539 --> 00:15:30,329 That first week I could look right at you. 300 00:15:30,704 --> 00:15:33,074 And say, I know who you are. 301 00:15:33,674 --> 00:15:35,624 I'll be damned if I can find your name. 302 00:15:35,954 --> 00:15:38,024 It's locked in a box someplace up there 303 00:15:38,074 --> 00:15:39,124 and I can't get to it. 304 00:15:39,634 --> 00:15:41,134 And there were a lot of things like that. 305 00:15:41,139 --> 00:15:44,729 I just I knew that I knew something, but I couldn't 306 00:15:45,359 --> 00:15:47,219 get to where that file was. 307 00:15:48,019 --> 00:15:52,729 And after a week that disappeared and it seemed like 308 00:15:52,729 --> 00:15:54,139 everything was back to normal. 309 00:15:54,794 --> 00:15:58,754 But about another week or two after that, I started 310 00:15:58,754 --> 00:16:03,344 having this really incredible desire to hear classical piano 311 00:16:03,344 --> 00:16:07,694 music, which was a really strange thing for me because 312 00:16:07,964 --> 00:16:09,284 I was a kid of the sixties. 313 00:16:09,284 --> 00:16:10,784 There was rock and roll and there wasn't 314 00:16:10,784 --> 00:16:11,864 much of anything else. 315 00:16:12,664 --> 00:16:14,854 My mother had made me play piano when I 316 00:16:14,854 --> 00:16:16,054 was seven years old. 317 00:16:16,724 --> 00:16:19,984 She made me take lessons for a year and I, out of 318 00:16:19,984 --> 00:16:21,394 obligation, I did that. 319 00:16:21,424 --> 00:16:23,674 Actually was probably under threat of life and limb. 320 00:16:24,474 --> 00:16:29,004 But I did it and never had any interest and never went back. 321 00:16:29,804 --> 00:16:33,974 But all of a sudden I, I can't do anything without 322 00:16:33,974 --> 00:16:37,154 thinking about this absolute desire to hear this. 323 00:16:37,954 --> 00:16:42,454 And it was so strong that I drove an hour to Albany, 324 00:16:42,514 --> 00:16:46,204 which was the nearest big city that would have 325 00:16:46,444 --> 00:16:48,604 classical piano music on CDs. 326 00:16:49,204 --> 00:16:53,125 And I went into this music store, and as I walked in 327 00:16:53,334 --> 00:16:55,554 there, it seemed like there was a CD that just jumped 328 00:16:55,554 --> 00:16:59,394 off the shelf into my hands, and it was Vladimir Ashkenazi 329 00:16:59,394 --> 00:17:00,984 playing his favorite Chopan. 330 00:17:01,619 --> 00:17:03,624 Ashkenazi was one of the famous Russian 331 00:17:03,624 --> 00:17:06,734 pianists, is one of the famous Russian pianists. 332 00:17:06,734 --> 00:17:07,454 He's still alive. 333 00:17:08,174 --> 00:17:11,374 And at this point I didn't know what to 334 00:17:11,374 --> 00:17:12,184 do with all of it. 335 00:17:12,184 --> 00:17:15,814 It was just, I was so taken by this the music 336 00:17:15,819 --> 00:17:18,604 and I started listening to the CD and I listened 337 00:17:18,604 --> 00:17:23,344 to it nonstop and I made everybody else listen to it. 338 00:17:23,349 --> 00:17:24,934 I'm sure they were sick of hearing it. 339 00:17:25,734 --> 00:17:27,759 But, I just couldn't stop. 340 00:17:27,769 --> 00:17:30,729 It was just a compulsion that had made no sense to me. 341 00:17:31,449 --> 00:17:34,459 But within a very short period of time of listening 342 00:17:34,459 --> 00:17:37,759 to this music, I realized that it's not gonna be enough 343 00:17:38,419 --> 00:17:40,749 to listen to this music. 344 00:17:40,749 --> 00:17:44,179 I need to know how to play it, which was a big problem 345 00:17:44,619 --> 00:17:47,409 since I didn't have a piano and I didn't know how to play. 346 00:17:47,879 --> 00:17:49,949 But I was undeterred. 347 00:17:50,749 --> 00:17:54,049 And the very next day, one of our babysitters came 348 00:17:54,049 --> 00:17:57,289 to the house and said, I'm gonna be moving and I have 349 00:17:57,289 --> 00:17:59,989 this old upright piano I need to store for a year. 350 00:18:00,619 --> 00:18:02,329 Could I store it at your house? 351 00:18:02,329 --> 00:18:05,809 And I'm thinking, okay, this is really getting weird now. 352 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:07,594 So all of a sudden I have a piano. 353 00:18:08,394 --> 00:18:11,534 And she loads the piano in the house and I'm thinking, 354 00:18:12,254 --> 00:18:14,654 all right, now I need to know how to learn how to play. 355 00:18:14,744 --> 00:18:17,564 So I went and bought a couple books and how to try 356 00:18:17,564 --> 00:18:18,974 to teach yourself to play. 357 00:18:19,024 --> 00:18:21,004 And at the same time, I ordered all the sheet 358 00:18:21,009 --> 00:18:24,009 music from the cd, which is, magical thinking. 359 00:18:24,129 --> 00:18:25,899 I don't know what the hell I was thinking. 360 00:18:25,899 --> 00:18:27,399 There are people who have been playing this stuff 361 00:18:27,399 --> 00:18:30,289 for 10 years and still wouldn't attempt to do that. 362 00:18:30,919 --> 00:18:33,189 But it didn't seem to matter. 363 00:18:33,189 --> 00:18:37,349 I was determined to learn how to do this, and so I started 364 00:18:37,349 --> 00:18:41,699 to try to teach myself, and within a few more weeks 365 00:18:41,699 --> 00:18:46,509 of that, I go into bed as normal, but all of a sudden 366 00:18:46,514 --> 00:18:50,999 I, I have this dream and in this dream, It was like 367 00:18:50,999 --> 00:18:52,379 an out of body experience. 368 00:18:52,379 --> 00:18:56,369 I'm actually, I'm walking out onto the stage and I'm walking 369 00:18:56,369 --> 00:18:58,739 toward myself and I'm way out on the front edge of the 370 00:18:58,739 --> 00:19:04,019 stage and I'm at a, I'm giving a concert at this concert 371 00:19:04,019 --> 00:19:08,129 hall and I'm listening to this music that I'm playing. 372 00:19:08,129 --> 00:19:11,189 And as I'm walking up behind myself, the thought 373 00:19:11,189 --> 00:19:13,799 comes to me that this is not somebody else's music. 374 00:19:13,799 --> 00:19:14,639 This is mine. 375 00:19:15,439 --> 00:19:17,509 And I thought, okay. 376 00:19:18,214 --> 00:19:23,304 So I, I'd start listening intently to it, and I walked 377 00:19:23,304 --> 00:19:27,564 up behind myself and I'm listening to what I'm playing 378 00:19:27,614 --> 00:19:30,744 and I'm watching everything and I'm looking at the concert 379 00:19:30,749 --> 00:19:35,984 hall and the ending had this loud crashing ending and it 380 00:19:35,984 --> 00:19:38,864 woke me up and I, so I got up. 381 00:19:39,659 --> 00:19:42,839 And I sat on the edge of the bed and I looked around and 382 00:19:42,839 --> 00:19:47,119 it was 3:15 in the morning and I walked out to the 383 00:19:47,124 --> 00:19:49,939 piano and I thought let me see if I can plunk some of 384 00:19:49,944 --> 00:19:52,039 this out that I just heard. 385 00:19:52,639 --> 00:19:55,999 I had no idea, and I didn't know how to write music. 386 00:19:55,999 --> 00:19:56,889 I didn't know how to read music. 387 00:19:57,689 --> 00:20:00,839 And so I sat there and I could plunk out a few 388 00:20:00,869 --> 00:20:04,139 notes of what I heard, but I didn't even know how to 389 00:20:04,539 --> 00:20:05,739 write down what they were. 390 00:20:06,339 --> 00:20:07,839 And so I said, the hell with this. 391 00:20:07,839 --> 00:20:13,859 And I went to bed and I woke up always at 5 30, 6 o'clock, 392 00:20:13,859 --> 00:20:16,349 cuz that was my time to get up and get ready for work. 393 00:20:17,069 --> 00:20:22,809 And from that moment on, whenever I went near 394 00:20:23,039 --> 00:20:26,009 that piano, the music from the dream would 395 00:20:26,009 --> 00:20:27,959 start to play in my head. 396 00:20:28,409 --> 00:20:31,439 So whenever I sat down, at the piano, it was 397 00:20:31,439 --> 00:20:33,329 like a tape recording, it would just start. 398 00:20:34,129 --> 00:20:36,989 And if I didn't pay attention to it, it 399 00:20:36,989 --> 00:20:38,189 would become intrusive. 400 00:20:38,189 --> 00:20:40,799 It would actually start playing when I was trying 401 00:20:40,804 --> 00:20:42,929 to work or when I was trying to do something else. 402 00:20:43,729 --> 00:20:47,549 And so I learned very quickly that it was kinda like a 403 00:20:47,869 --> 00:20:50,089 two year old, you really had to pay attention to 404 00:20:50,089 --> 00:20:54,179 it or there was gonna be some repercussions from it. 405 00:20:54,889 --> 00:20:59,129 And so this process went on and I continued trying to 406 00:20:59,129 --> 00:21:04,639 teach myself and I picked out a few of the pieces from 407 00:21:04,729 --> 00:21:08,269 that CD that I thought, I'm gonna learn these first. 408 00:21:08,269 --> 00:21:12,529 And I started trying to teach myself and one day I'm 409 00:21:13,099 --> 00:21:16,040 banging away at the piano and my daughter's best friend 410 00:21:16,279 --> 00:21:20,144 Jackie was over at the house and her mom was coming by to 411 00:21:20,144 --> 00:21:24,434 pick her up and she came in the house and she heard me 412 00:21:24,434 --> 00:21:27,494 on the piano and she came in and said, what are you doing? 413 00:21:28,294 --> 00:21:31,384 And I said, I'm trying to learn this piece of music. 414 00:21:31,384 --> 00:21:35,224 It was called The Fantasy Impromptu, a piece of Chopan. 415 00:21:35,744 --> 00:21:40,124 And I said, I don't understand why the hands don't line 416 00:21:40,124 --> 00:21:41,684 up in this piece of music. 417 00:21:41,724 --> 00:21:44,584 I said why would somebody write a piece of music where 418 00:21:44,584 --> 00:21:45,694 the hands don't line up? 419 00:21:46,494 --> 00:21:49,164 And she said they're not supposed to. 420 00:21:49,964 --> 00:21:51,614 And I said, why? 421 00:21:52,214 --> 00:21:54,584 And she said, it's called a poly rhythm. 422 00:21:55,384 --> 00:21:58,614 And I said, I'd never heard of that word before. 423 00:21:58,614 --> 00:22:01,674 And I was like, why would anyone do that? 424 00:22:02,444 --> 00:22:04,504 And she said, I'm not even gonna try to 425 00:22:04,504 --> 00:22:05,524 explain this to you. 426 00:22:05,794 --> 00:22:06,874 You need to get a teacher. 427 00:22:07,519 --> 00:22:11,359 So at that point she gave me the name of Sandy McCain, who 428 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:15,689 was the chairman of music at Hartwick College in Onionto, 429 00:22:15,709 --> 00:22:16,729 New York where we lived. 430 00:22:17,509 --> 00:22:21,159 And I called up Sandy and told her this whole story 431 00:22:21,159 --> 00:22:24,129 and asked her if she'd take on an old guy to try 432 00:22:24,129 --> 00:22:25,479 to teach him some piano. 433 00:22:26,279 --> 00:22:27,689 And she did. 434 00:22:28,019 --> 00:22:31,009 And we started working two hours a week. 435 00:22:31,619 --> 00:22:34,589 The only time we had in common was five o'clock. 436 00:22:34,589 --> 00:22:37,809 So five o'clock was our piano time. 437 00:22:38,549 --> 00:22:39,659 Five o'clock in the morning. 438 00:22:40,459 --> 00:22:44,059 So I'm sure that her family was not real happy with me, 439 00:22:44,059 --> 00:22:48,189 but that was the best we could do to meet the two schedules. 440 00:22:48,989 --> 00:22:52,289 And so this went on for quite some time. 441 00:22:52,904 --> 00:22:57,714 And then as I'm learning to play, I'm also working on 442 00:22:57,714 --> 00:22:59,214 the music from this dream. 443 00:22:59,814 --> 00:23:03,994 And as I learned how to do things, I would write down a 444 00:23:03,994 --> 00:23:06,934 measure or two and I'd stuff it in a drawer someplace, 445 00:23:06,934 --> 00:23:09,424 thinking, someday I'll get back to all of this. 446 00:23:10,224 --> 00:23:14,394 And I kept working on learning how to play, and 447 00:23:14,394 --> 00:23:18,174 I started going to a music camp, a piano camp for adults 448 00:23:18,564 --> 00:23:21,894 in Bennington, Vermont, which was called a Sonata. 449 00:23:21,954 --> 00:23:24,474 And it was, it's a group of people. 450 00:23:24,489 --> 00:23:27,369 They would meet four or five, six times a year. 451 00:23:27,919 --> 00:23:31,954 Different people and at different times, and it's all 452 00:23:31,954 --> 00:23:36,374 people that are absolutely obsessed with piano and 453 00:23:36,374 --> 00:23:39,194 then this is their week of indulging themselves. 454 00:23:39,914 --> 00:23:42,344 And so I started going to that in 2002. 455 00:23:43,004 --> 00:23:48,834 In 2006 when I went, the owner's sister Erica 456 00:23:48,934 --> 00:23:50,044 Vander Lynn Seidner. 457 00:23:50,044 --> 00:23:53,734 Erica was the number one salesperson for Steinway 458 00:23:53,734 --> 00:23:56,974 in New York City, and she had just left Steinway and 459 00:23:56,979 --> 00:24:00,784 went to Bosendorfer, and she was there at the piano camp 460 00:24:00,784 --> 00:24:04,084 and she brought five pianos in for people to play on, 461 00:24:04,664 --> 00:24:06,274 which was an absolute treat. 462 00:24:06,784 --> 00:24:11,654 And we got talking about all of this stuff and the 463 00:24:11,654 --> 00:24:15,624 music and the music from the dream and the things 464 00:24:15,624 --> 00:24:19,784 that I was working on and afterwards, she said to 465 00:24:19,784 --> 00:24:22,364 me, there's only one person that can tell this story, 466 00:24:22,844 --> 00:24:24,034 and that's Oliver Sacks. 467 00:24:24,099 --> 00:24:27,399 And at the time I didn't know who Oliver Sacks was 468 00:24:27,399 --> 00:24:29,709 other than the fact that he wrote the book Awakenings, 469 00:24:30,379 --> 00:24:33,139 when he figured out how to treat Parkinson's Disease. 470 00:24:33,439 --> 00:24:36,549 He's a famous neurologist, and I didn't think 471 00:24:36,549 --> 00:24:37,539 anything more of it. 472 00:24:37,659 --> 00:24:41,329 And so I went about my normal business. 473 00:24:42,019 --> 00:24:47,134 And it seemed like that was in May, that meeting was. 474 00:24:47,644 --> 00:24:55,254 And in June, I get a phone call from Oliver Sacks and I'm 475 00:24:55,254 --> 00:24:57,429 like, oh, this can't be real. 476 00:24:57,979 --> 00:25:02,279 And Oliver says, I've heard about this lightning 477 00:25:02,279 --> 00:25:04,769 story and I'd like to have you come down to New York 478 00:25:04,769 --> 00:25:07,249 City to interview you. 479 00:25:07,299 --> 00:25:08,799 I'd like you to be one of my patients. 480 00:25:08,804 --> 00:25:11,529 I have a collection of people like you who have 481 00:25:11,529 --> 00:25:13,149 had unusual things happen. 482 00:25:13,949 --> 00:25:16,349 And I said, sure, that would be great. 483 00:25:16,649 --> 00:25:21,209 So in August of that year, 2006, I went down to see 484 00:25:21,209 --> 00:25:23,609 Oliver Sachs and I got to spend the whole day with him, 485 00:25:23,609 --> 00:25:26,039 which is an absolute treasure. 486 00:25:26,129 --> 00:25:31,189 This was a man who could think circles around anybody 487 00:25:31,194 --> 00:25:32,689 I knew, including myself. 488 00:25:33,489 --> 00:25:38,019 And he, we spent the entire day together which 489 00:25:38,019 --> 00:25:41,289 I will never forget, and at the end of the day, 490 00:25:41,499 --> 00:25:43,989 we're standing in the doorway and saying goodbye. 491 00:25:44,469 --> 00:25:47,079 And he looked at me and he had this piercing way 492 00:25:47,079 --> 00:25:48,459 of looking at people. 493 00:25:49,179 --> 00:25:53,699 And he looked at me and he says, the music from the 494 00:25:53,699 --> 00:25:56,699 dream went through an awful lot of trouble to get here. 495 00:25:57,269 --> 00:25:58,949 The least you can do is write it. 496 00:25:59,749 --> 00:26:02,189 And I was so taken with what he said. 497 00:26:02,589 --> 00:26:04,294 I went right home. 498 00:26:05,094 --> 00:26:07,404 And it was about three hours to get back home. 499 00:26:07,984 --> 00:26:09,634 So I had plenty of time to think about it. 500 00:26:10,154 --> 00:26:13,074 But when I got home, the next day, I went right out 501 00:26:13,074 --> 00:26:17,174 and bought a music writing program called Sebelius, 502 00:26:17,179 --> 00:26:20,324 which is the equivalent of music writing for dummies. 503 00:26:21,104 --> 00:26:24,364 And if you have an electric piano, you can 504 00:26:24,364 --> 00:26:27,334 hook this thing up so that you can play something 505 00:26:27,334 --> 00:26:29,614 and the music actually appears on the screen. 506 00:26:30,414 --> 00:26:33,744 And so that was the way I started because by that 507 00:26:33,744 --> 00:26:38,534 point, I had gotten to where I could play some parts of the 508 00:26:38,534 --> 00:26:42,034 music from the dream, but I had no idea how to write it. 509 00:26:42,834 --> 00:26:48,099 And so I spent the next seven months, every minute 510 00:26:48,219 --> 00:26:51,359 that I wasn't working, writing down this music. 511 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:57,724 My goal was to get it written for my next May piano camp. 512 00:26:58,524 --> 00:26:59,904 And so that was my goal. 513 00:26:59,994 --> 00:27:04,074 And so when piano camp came around in May I had finished 514 00:27:04,074 --> 00:27:11,459 the music and played it for my piano friends at this piano 515 00:27:11,569 --> 00:27:14,369 camp, and everybody liked it. 516 00:27:14,819 --> 00:27:16,604 And I thought, okay, this is pretty cool. 517 00:27:17,404 --> 00:27:21,774 While I was there, I got a call from Oliver and 518 00:27:21,774 --> 00:27:24,759 he says, I wanted to ask your permission to, to 519 00:27:24,759 --> 00:27:26,529 use your story in my book. 520 00:27:27,329 --> 00:27:29,429 And I thought I don't have anything to 521 00:27:29,429 --> 00:27:31,060 hide, sure, go ahead. 522 00:27:31,860 --> 00:27:35,050 He said, good cuz you're chapter one and it's 523 00:27:35,050 --> 00:27:37,420 coming out July 23rd. 524 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:43,740 I said, we got a little ahead of ourselves here and sure 525 00:27:43,740 --> 00:27:49,360 enough, my story was published in the New Yorker magazine the 526 00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:55,090 July 23rd edition, 2007, and. 527 00:27:55,890 --> 00:27:59,300 At that point, all hell broke loose because, this 528 00:27:59,300 --> 00:28:02,680 was, I hadn't been telling a lot of people about this 529 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,460 story and cuz I didn't want people to think I was 530 00:28:05,460 --> 00:28:10,310 crazy and suddenly it's got taken out of the closet and 531 00:28:10,610 --> 00:28:13,550 thrown out and everybody's for everybody to look at. 532 00:28:14,350 --> 00:28:18,430 And about a week after it came out, I got a call from 533 00:28:18,790 --> 00:28:20,440 a guy named Carlton Clay. 534 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,600 Carlton was the head of the music department 535 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,415 at State University of New York in Onionta. 536 00:28:27,215 --> 00:28:30,620 And Carlton says, I read this article and he 537 00:28:30,620 --> 00:28:33,350 says, I'd love for you to come and teach a class. 538 00:28:34,150 --> 00:28:36,130 And I thought, look, that would be pretty interesting 539 00:28:36,130 --> 00:28:39,130 cuz I like to teach and do unusual things. 540 00:28:39,930 --> 00:28:40,890 And I said, sure. 541 00:28:41,670 --> 00:28:45,100 And a week later he calls and says, I'm getting 542 00:28:45,130 --> 00:28:47,500 inundated with phone calls about this thing. 543 00:28:48,130 --> 00:28:49,870 He said, would you consider playing the 544 00:28:49,870 --> 00:28:51,640 music for the class? 545 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:53,980 And I thought, I'll do that. 546 00:28:54,780 --> 00:29:00,030 And then it seemed like it was another month or so after 547 00:29:00,030 --> 00:29:04,530 that, Carlton calls again, and he says, you won't believe it. 548 00:29:04,540 --> 00:29:08,050 I'm just getting hammered with people calling here and 549 00:29:08,050 --> 00:29:09,460 everybody wants more and more. 550 00:29:10,210 --> 00:29:14,560 And he said, would you consider doing a concert at 551 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:15,880 the performing arts center? 552 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,295 And I said no, I don't have the faintest idea how to 553 00:29:19,295 --> 00:29:20,345 do something like that. 554 00:29:20,435 --> 00:29:23,550 I said I'm not musically trained, I'm not prepared. 555 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,250 I have no idea where to start. 556 00:29:25,970 --> 00:29:28,460 And somehow he conned me into doing it. 557 00:29:29,260 --> 00:29:31,450 And I said, okay, I'll do it. 558 00:29:32,250 --> 00:29:35,040 So the next phone call I make is I call Sandy, 559 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,130 my music teacher. 560 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,605 And I said Carlton conned me into doing this thing. 561 00:29:38,965 --> 00:29:43,495 And so I said I would, and it's gonna be 562 00:29:43,495 --> 00:29:45,355 in January of 2008. 563 00:29:46,155 --> 00:29:48,420 And I said, can you get me ready for it? 564 00:29:48,450 --> 00:29:50,520 And she said, it's gonna be a lot of work. 565 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,770 She said, you gotta be prepared to put three 566 00:29:52,770 --> 00:29:56,720 or four hours a day into getting ready for this. 567 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,130 And I'm like, okay. 568 00:29:58,530 --> 00:30:02,070 We start on this process and we would go up into the 569 00:30:02,070 --> 00:30:05,580 performing arts center and she would make me walk out on 570 00:30:05,580 --> 00:30:07,140 stage and make me walk off. 571 00:30:07,140 --> 00:30:09,850 She would, make me talk to the crowd and then 572 00:30:10,270 --> 00:30:12,735 make me play the music and, I can still hear her. 573 00:30:13,065 --> 00:30:15,845 She'd be up in a top row of the seats. 574 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,980 And I'd be playing away and she'd go, I can't hear you. 575 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,960 Oh my God, this is gonna be no fun. 576 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:29,200 But, we worked along and then about a few weeks 577 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,380 before the concert, Carlton calls me again and he says, 578 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,400 things are changing again. 579 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,570 And I said, what are you doing? 580 00:30:38,370 --> 00:30:42,840 And he says, the BBC one wants to come and so does 581 00:30:42,845 --> 00:30:46,640 German television, and so does Granada Media. 582 00:30:46,820 --> 00:30:50,930 So there's three huge sets that want to come 583 00:30:50,930 --> 00:30:51,890 and film this thing. 584 00:30:52,690 --> 00:30:55,660 And I was like, oh my God, I've come too far 585 00:30:55,660 --> 00:30:56,980 now, what am I gonna do? 586 00:30:57,665 --> 00:30:58,685 I said, okay. 587 00:30:59,285 --> 00:31:02,935 And so along comes the concert day, which 588 00:31:02,940 --> 00:31:05,005 actually turned out to be my birthday anyway. 589 00:31:05,695 --> 00:31:08,775 And there's three television crews. 590 00:31:09,195 --> 00:31:12,820 I remember going to the green room right beforehand. 591 00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:16,110 And I remember sitting in there and I'm talking to 592 00:31:16,110 --> 00:31:18,630 God and angels, anybody that wants to listen. 593 00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:22,050 And I said, you guys put me through a lot to get me here. 594 00:31:22,050 --> 00:31:25,710 I said, don't embarrass us both and leave me out 595 00:31:25,715 --> 00:31:27,480 there without a lot of help. 596 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:34,940 And thankfully I managed to get through it and the music 597 00:31:34,940 --> 00:31:37,670 from the dream and a couple of other pieces that I had 598 00:31:37,670 --> 00:31:42,910 written along the way and managed to get through it. 599 00:31:43,010 --> 00:31:45,770 And ever since then, it's taken on a life of its own. 600 00:31:46,570 --> 00:31:51,450 So I've played that music all over the country. 601 00:31:52,170 --> 00:31:56,720 And, it's interesting the reactions that I get to it. 602 00:31:57,330 --> 00:32:02,380 People will come up afterwards and tell me about they see 603 00:32:02,380 --> 00:32:05,921 visions or they feel certain things and I've even had 604 00:32:05,926 --> 00:32:09,400 some people ask if they could come and lay on the floor 605 00:32:09,700 --> 00:32:13,090 underneath the piano so they can feel the vibrations of it. 606 00:32:13,865 --> 00:32:16,085 Because there's something in the music, there's 607 00:32:16,085 --> 00:32:19,555 something in the frequencies of the music that stimulates 608 00:32:19,555 --> 00:32:23,035 certain brain activity or certain behaviors. 609 00:32:23,505 --> 00:32:24,435 And it's interesting. 610 00:32:24,745 --> 00:32:27,080 I think there's more to the music than I 611 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,590 have any concept of. 612 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,050 It's so far over my head. 613 00:32:32,610 --> 00:32:38,090 But I do believe that there are healing frequencies and 614 00:32:38,090 --> 00:32:42,190 there are frequencies that stimulate brain activity in 615 00:32:42,190 --> 00:32:46,100 people, and it's just based on the things that people say. 616 00:32:46,900 --> 00:32:49,660 Tony, do you think that was possibly the end game in mind? 617 00:32:49,710 --> 00:32:52,185 If you consider that we make a plan for life 618 00:32:52,185 --> 00:32:53,205 before we come here. 619 00:32:53,715 --> 00:32:56,415 Do you think that the fact that the music is healing 620 00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:57,760 was the ultimate intention? 621 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,860 I think that there's some truth to that. 622 00:33:01,430 --> 00:33:07,080 I have been searching for an understanding of how 623 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,040 all this fits together ever since it happened. 624 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,410 And I've literally read hundreds of books 625 00:33:14,410 --> 00:33:15,700 trying to understand. 626 00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:20,040 And I think what it really comes down to is that we 627 00:33:20,045 --> 00:33:25,060 have no real concept of how the brain works and how it's 628 00:33:25,060 --> 00:33:29,810 connected to other things and other places and, and 629 00:33:30,110 --> 00:33:35,010 the frequencies that exist in the ether or the quantum 630 00:33:35,060 --> 00:33:36,650 field, as some people call it. 631 00:33:37,310 --> 00:33:42,940 And how all of it interacts and how it can help to 632 00:33:42,945 --> 00:33:44,510 reprogram your brain. 633 00:33:45,170 --> 00:33:50,645 And so is some of the aspect of this music about helping 634 00:33:50,645 --> 00:33:53,635 people to reprogram some part of their brain that they 635 00:33:53,665 --> 00:33:58,115 don't have access to or or could help in their evolution? 636 00:33:58,865 --> 00:34:01,565 I don't know, but I've often wondered that. 637 00:34:01,975 --> 00:34:05,555 Just going back to when your NDE first occurred did you 638 00:34:05,555 --> 00:34:08,045 start talking to your family, did you tell your family about 639 00:34:08,045 --> 00:34:09,555 what happened straight away? 640 00:34:09,555 --> 00:34:11,355 I know you didn't talk to many people, but how long was 641 00:34:11,355 --> 00:34:13,425 it before you said, oh, this is actually what occurred. 642 00:34:13,425 --> 00:34:16,125 I told them pretty quickly. 643 00:34:16,465 --> 00:34:19,935 But I was very selective about anyone else. 644 00:34:20,655 --> 00:34:24,315 So my family was the ones that I told about what I 645 00:34:24,315 --> 00:34:29,455 had seen and and how it all seemed to fit together for me. 646 00:34:30,175 --> 00:34:33,905 And, some people thought I was just hallucinating. 647 00:34:33,905 --> 00:34:36,715 Some people didn't know what to think. 648 00:34:37,515 --> 00:34:43,560 But I knew I was absolutely certain of the things I saw in 649 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,330 the things that I experienced. 650 00:34:46,020 --> 00:34:50,400 And as I had begun reading as much as I could get my 651 00:34:50,405 --> 00:34:54,500 hands on about people who've had similar sorts of things, 652 00:34:55,300 --> 00:34:57,780 there's a commonality that people have who've had 653 00:34:57,780 --> 00:34:59,100 a near death experience. 654 00:34:59,455 --> 00:35:01,705 They all see very similar things. 655 00:35:02,035 --> 00:35:03,715 They experience similar things. 656 00:35:04,115 --> 00:35:07,115 There was one that sticks out in my brain 657 00:35:07,115 --> 00:35:08,885 is Pamela Reynolds. 658 00:35:09,435 --> 00:35:14,810 It was a famous case and Pam had an aneurysm in her 659 00:35:14,810 --> 00:35:17,320 brain, which is a balloon that's gonna burst and 660 00:35:17,325 --> 00:35:18,340 when it does, you die. 661 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:19,540 End of story. 662 00:35:20,260 --> 00:35:22,700 Unless it can be found and have surgery. 663 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,720 And so she was having headaches and she saw 664 00:35:26,770 --> 00:35:32,080 her doctor, and he did the appropriate test 665 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:33,850 and found this aneurysm. 666 00:35:33,855 --> 00:35:38,140 And he sent her out to the Barrow's Neurologic 667 00:35:38,145 --> 00:35:39,850 Institute in Arizona. 668 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:40,990 Phoenix, Arizona. 669 00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:42,870 And Dr. 670 00:35:42,870 --> 00:35:49,160 Spetzler was the surgeon that she saw, and he was 671 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,580 gonna do a new procedure on her called standstill. 672 00:35:53,240 --> 00:35:56,420 And what they would do is they would take you into 673 00:35:56,425 --> 00:35:59,150 the operating room, they would hook you up to a 674 00:35:59,155 --> 00:36:03,290 cardiac bypass machine, put you on bypass, and then 675 00:36:03,290 --> 00:36:05,810 they would drain all the blood out of your brain. 676 00:36:06,610 --> 00:36:08,320 So it was a bloodless field. 677 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,090 And they would do the surgery and then they would put the 678 00:36:12,090 --> 00:36:16,050 blood back in and restart your heart and hopefully you 679 00:36:16,050 --> 00:36:17,250 would wake back up again. 680 00:36:18,050 --> 00:36:22,970 And this was a pioneering procedure that she had done. 681 00:36:22,975 --> 00:36:26,480 And what was interesting was after, she lived and 682 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,330 after the surgery, she was taken to the I C U, and when 683 00:36:29,330 --> 00:36:32,270 she was in the I C U, she started telling everybody 684 00:36:32,270 --> 00:36:35,615 about all of the stuff that happened to her when she 685 00:36:35,615 --> 00:36:43,195 was proven clinically brain dead and cardiac standstill. 686 00:36:43,555 --> 00:36:46,375 So this woman's heart has stopped, her brain has 687 00:36:46,375 --> 00:36:51,625 been cooled to 60 degrees and verified absolute flat 688 00:36:51,630 --> 00:36:55,305 line, no electrical activity in her brain, and yet, 689 00:36:56,105 --> 00:36:59,660 she was able to tell them exactly where all of the 690 00:36:59,665 --> 00:37:03,730 equipment was set on the tables, who was in the room. 691 00:37:04,270 --> 00:37:07,150 She was able to give conversations that the 692 00:37:07,150 --> 00:37:11,340 doctors were having while she's under anesthesia. 693 00:37:11,790 --> 00:37:17,080 And then at one point she left her body and she initially 694 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,680 went up and she was sitting over Spetzler's shoulder. 695 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,420 And she was watching what he was doing. 696 00:37:23,150 --> 00:37:26,950 But then she said an opening occurred up 697 00:37:27,130 --> 00:37:28,000 toward the ceiling. 698 00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:31,365 And so she went into the tunnel and when she was in 699 00:37:31,370 --> 00:37:35,546 the tunnel she met some of her family who walked with 700 00:37:35,655 --> 00:37:38,065 her a short ways, and then they turned her around and 701 00:37:38,065 --> 00:37:39,145 said, you have to go back. 702 00:37:39,145 --> 00:37:42,085 And she said, hell no, I'm not going back. 703 00:37:42,085 --> 00:37:43,525 This is pretty nice over here. 704 00:37:44,290 --> 00:37:47,460 And they somehow managed to get her back. 705 00:37:47,850 --> 00:37:50,010 And I think it was her uncle or grandfather, I can't 706 00:37:50,010 --> 00:37:53,460 remember which, who, when she was standing at the edge of 707 00:37:53,460 --> 00:37:55,140 the tunnel, pushed her out. 708 00:37:55,940 --> 00:37:59,630 And that coincided with when they started her heart. 709 00:38:00,430 --> 00:38:05,750 And she had a veridical memory of everything that happened. 710 00:38:05,780 --> 00:38:08,000 The things that people were saying in the room. 711 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,170 Who was in the room. 712 00:38:09,630 --> 00:38:11,550 Music that was playing in the room. 713 00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:16,730 And, one of the things she really objected to was when 714 00:38:16,730 --> 00:38:19,250 Spetzler left the room, he had the residents were 715 00:38:19,255 --> 00:38:23,780 closing the wounds and they put on music from the 716 00:38:23,780 --> 00:38:25,520 Eagles: the Hotel California. 717 00:38:26,060 --> 00:38:30,320 And she was very upset with one particular line that said, 718 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,160 you can sign out anytime you like, but you can never leave. 719 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,050 And she was very angry about that because that 720 00:38:38,055 --> 00:38:39,790 was what she experienced. 721 00:38:40,210 --> 00:38:42,190 She didn't want to go back in her body. 722 00:38:42,190 --> 00:38:45,590 She wanted to go wherever the tunnel took her. 723 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,560 But the fact that she was able to be aware of the 724 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,980 music and the things that were being said and the 725 00:38:52,980 --> 00:38:55,560 instruments and what the instruments sounded like. 726 00:38:56,110 --> 00:38:57,700 There was an instrument that they used in the 727 00:38:57,700 --> 00:38:59,290 surgery called a Midas Rex. 728 00:38:59,770 --> 00:39:03,640 It's a high speed drill that they used to cut through bone. 729 00:39:03,940 --> 00:39:05,670 It has a god awful sound. 730 00:39:05,970 --> 00:39:09,550 As it cuts through bone it really gets your attention. 731 00:39:10,330 --> 00:39:13,860 But she made the sound to a T of what it sounded 732 00:39:13,860 --> 00:39:15,060 like, what it looked like. 733 00:39:15,710 --> 00:39:19,610 And it's not possible to do any of those things if 734 00:39:19,610 --> 00:39:22,190 you're truly anesthetized. 735 00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:26,050 And they had visual proof that she was, because 736 00:39:26,050 --> 00:39:29,030 they're recording her brain, they're recording her heart. 737 00:39:29,660 --> 00:39:31,370 She's flatlined both sl. 738 00:39:32,170 --> 00:39:33,850 So you can't have your cake and eat it too. 739 00:39:33,850 --> 00:39:37,250 You can't say she must have had light anesthesia, or she 740 00:39:37,250 --> 00:39:41,100 had some way of knowing these things, but there's no way. 741 00:39:41,500 --> 00:39:44,955 It's an interesting parallel of the things 742 00:39:44,955 --> 00:39:47,945 that she experienced and what I experienced. 743 00:39:48,745 --> 00:39:49,715 I think is it Dr. 744 00:39:49,805 --> 00:39:50,735 Eben Alexander? 745 00:39:50,765 --> 00:39:52,505 I'm sure you've probably read his book. 746 00:39:52,685 --> 00:39:54,040 That's another good example, and he's a 747 00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:54,970 neuroscientist, right? 748 00:39:54,975 --> 00:39:57,220 And he was completely like prefrontal cortex 749 00:39:57,225 --> 00:39:58,180 completely wiped out. 750 00:39:58,180 --> 00:40:00,130 And he had all these memories. 751 00:40:00,185 --> 00:40:01,355 You mentioned the quantum field. 752 00:40:01,835 --> 00:40:03,685 It's almost like the information is stored 753 00:40:03,685 --> 00:40:04,945 there in the quantum field, and the brain is 754 00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:07,555 really just a reducing mechanism to, to access it. 755 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,220 There are a lot of studies that are 756 00:40:09,220 --> 00:40:10,540 starting to suggest that. 757 00:40:11,340 --> 00:40:17,520 That memory somehow exists in the quantum field and we 758 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,110 don't know how to access it. 759 00:40:19,550 --> 00:40:24,560 But some people do access it accidentally most of the time. 760 00:40:25,230 --> 00:40:27,611 One of the things that happened to me after 761 00:40:27,611 --> 00:40:32,291 the lightning was I got contacted by Darryl 762 00:40:32,291 --> 00:40:33,631 Treeford, who's a physician. 763 00:40:34,371 --> 00:40:35,931 And Dr. 764 00:40:35,931 --> 00:40:41,371 Treeford is a specialist in savant's and he has a whole 765 00:40:41,376 --> 00:40:45,901 group of people with similar stories to mine, but they've 766 00:40:45,906 --> 00:40:47,631 all had different injuries. 767 00:40:47,941 --> 00:40:49,741 They've either gotten hit with something in the 768 00:40:49,741 --> 00:40:53,191 head, they had surgery, any number of different things, 769 00:40:53,191 --> 00:40:57,546 but afterwards, they all had developed something 770 00:40:57,546 --> 00:40:58,926 they didn't have before. 771 00:40:59,726 --> 00:41:05,046 And so there's enough of people like myself and 772 00:41:05,046 --> 00:41:09,506 them that make you think, okay, there's something 773 00:41:09,946 --> 00:41:14,621 normal about ability to get those qualities. 774 00:41:15,421 --> 00:41:18,601 And I think the problem is we just don't know 775 00:41:18,601 --> 00:41:19,531 how to access them. 776 00:41:19,561 --> 00:41:23,521 We know we can do it accidentally and somebody 777 00:41:23,521 --> 00:41:26,546 gets hit in the head and suddenly they can do 778 00:41:26,996 --> 00:41:30,626 incredible calculations they had no idea how to do before. 779 00:41:31,426 --> 00:41:34,041 Or like myself, you hear music and the music's 780 00:41:34,041 --> 00:41:35,181 coming from someplace. 781 00:41:35,451 --> 00:41:37,361 Where is it coming from and how does it make 782 00:41:37,361 --> 00:41:38,561 its way into my brain? 783 00:41:39,231 --> 00:41:41,211 And again, there's a lot of people that are starting 784 00:41:41,211 --> 00:41:46,891 to believe that this memory exists in the quantum field 785 00:41:46,891 --> 00:41:50,221 and nobody really understands what that is exactly. 786 00:41:50,791 --> 00:41:54,711 And how we communicate with it is a whole other black box. 787 00:41:55,141 --> 00:41:56,911 Did you acquire any other abilities, anything 788 00:41:56,911 --> 00:41:58,791 that you would consider to be, supernormal, 789 00:41:58,791 --> 00:42:00,361 paranormal after your NDE? 790 00:42:00,381 --> 00:42:02,331 Apart from the music coming through. 791 00:42:02,391 --> 00:42:05,431 Yeah, the only other thing that did come out of it was 792 00:42:05,436 --> 00:42:11,171 that I can feel people's energy, their aura as 793 00:42:11,221 --> 00:42:12,391 other people would call it. 794 00:42:12,841 --> 00:42:16,891 And it feels like static electricity out of not having 795 00:42:16,891 --> 00:42:18,391 a better word to describe it. 796 00:42:19,341 --> 00:42:24,941 Everybody's is different, and if somebody has something 797 00:42:24,941 --> 00:42:28,611 wrong with their shoulder, for example I can, if I 798 00:42:28,611 --> 00:42:31,511 happen to bring my hand near their shoulder, I'll 799 00:42:31,511 --> 00:42:36,266 feel this distortion of that electrical energy. 800 00:42:36,746 --> 00:42:40,436 And so if I move down the arm, it'll disappear. 801 00:42:40,436 --> 00:42:42,986 But as I get closer to where the problem is, 802 00:42:43,586 --> 00:42:46,046 I can actually bring somebody to tears with it. 803 00:42:46,846 --> 00:42:50,266 So there are some things that I don't have an a real 804 00:42:50,266 --> 00:42:54,436 understanding of, but I have just noticed that they exist. 805 00:42:55,236 --> 00:42:59,716 And I use them as tools to help if I'm trying to 806 00:42:59,716 --> 00:43:03,186 figure out what somebody's problem is I can use that 807 00:43:03,236 --> 00:43:07,726 as a way to narrow the focus of what I'm looking at. 808 00:43:08,506 --> 00:43:13,851 I've had flashes of knowing things that I 809 00:43:14,091 --> 00:43:15,381 have no way of knowing. 810 00:43:16,231 --> 00:43:18,661 I'll have a feeling, somebody's gonna call and 811 00:43:18,661 --> 00:43:21,361 the phone rings, or I walk over and I pick up the 812 00:43:21,361 --> 00:43:22,201 phone and they're on it. 813 00:43:23,021 --> 00:43:26,452 But those things there's no way to quantitate any of that. 814 00:43:27,252 --> 00:43:29,682 And there are enough people that have things like 815 00:43:29,682 --> 00:43:33,152 that happen anyway that you don't know whether 816 00:43:33,302 --> 00:43:34,532 it's meaningful or not. 817 00:43:35,332 --> 00:43:38,897 But these are things that I didn't really notice before. 818 00:43:39,697 --> 00:43:42,012 And when you say you sense someone's aura, is that 819 00:43:42,012 --> 00:43:43,962 just a feeling, you can't actually see anything? 820 00:43:43,967 --> 00:43:48,707 I know people that can see it but I have only on 821 00:43:48,707 --> 00:43:50,507 occasion been able to do that. 822 00:43:51,197 --> 00:43:55,847 Most of the time I can feel it without any problems at all. 823 00:43:56,647 --> 00:43:58,477 Seeing it, I think is harder. 824 00:43:59,197 --> 00:44:00,487 At least it was for me. 825 00:44:00,937 --> 00:44:03,962 One of my other guests he had a near death experience. 826 00:44:04,262 --> 00:44:08,012 He said that he became quite empathic so he can feel what 827 00:44:08,012 --> 00:44:09,332 people's emotions are like. 828 00:44:09,332 --> 00:44:10,682 Have you had anything like that as well? 829 00:44:11,482 --> 00:44:12,802 Not as much. 830 00:44:13,492 --> 00:44:16,742 Certainly emotions are concentrated in people 831 00:44:17,542 --> 00:44:18,682 in different ways. 832 00:44:19,282 --> 00:44:22,612 So if somebody has an enormous amount of tension 833 00:44:22,667 --> 00:44:25,937 and it tends to concentrate in their shoulders and upper 834 00:44:25,937 --> 00:44:30,207 back that will cause a huge electrical disturbance if 835 00:44:30,207 --> 00:44:31,437 I put my hands near it. 836 00:44:31,887 --> 00:44:33,687 There's things like that you can pick up. 837 00:44:34,487 --> 00:44:36,617 So is there anything fundamental about the 838 00:44:36,617 --> 00:44:39,997 way you view life that's changed since your NDE? 839 00:44:40,597 --> 00:44:41,377 Absolutely. 840 00:44:41,377 --> 00:44:45,722 I'm absolutely certain that there is no 841 00:44:45,722 --> 00:44:46,892 such thing as death. 842 00:44:47,482 --> 00:44:52,502 We change forms but our spirit lives on forever. 843 00:44:53,302 --> 00:44:55,312 Whoever we are, we always are. 844 00:44:55,762 --> 00:44:57,832 And that I'm absolutely certain of. 845 00:44:58,472 --> 00:45:01,922 We keep going through this reincarnation process. 846 00:45:02,512 --> 00:45:07,522 And at least from what I can understand the rationale 847 00:45:07,522 --> 00:45:12,613 behind it is we have to reach a certain level of evolution, 848 00:45:12,613 --> 00:45:17,573 spiritual evolution, to be able to be able to rejoin the 849 00:45:17,578 --> 00:45:19,193 source from where we came. 850 00:45:19,993 --> 00:45:23,983 And we just keep going through this process till 851 00:45:24,533 --> 00:45:27,003 we have enough points to be able to do that, to 852 00:45:27,383 --> 00:45:31,583 graduate from this spiritual density to the next one. 853 00:45:32,383 --> 00:45:34,873 Tony I'm starting to run outta time here, but I wanted 854 00:45:34,873 --> 00:45:39,053 to ask, people are probably gonna have questions for you. 855 00:45:39,263 --> 00:45:41,363 Is there some way for people to reach you? 856 00:45:41,363 --> 00:45:42,563 Assuming that that's something that you're 857 00:45:42,716 --> 00:45:43,076 Sure. 858 00:45:43,156 --> 00:45:49,276 My email is T C I C O R I a@yahoo.com, 859 00:45:50,166 --> 00:45:54,426 tcicoria@yahoo.com, and certainly if somebody's got 860 00:45:54,426 --> 00:45:55,896 a question, feel free to ask. 861 00:45:56,696 --> 00:45:58,811 All right I'll put that in the show notes. 862 00:45:59,171 --> 00:46:02,021 And do you have any other like a final message 863 00:46:02,331 --> 00:46:04,741 for people before we wrap up the interview? 864 00:46:05,541 --> 00:46:09,131 I think that the only real message that I have is 865 00:46:09,671 --> 00:46:11,491 there is life after death. 866 00:46:12,291 --> 00:46:18,321 And I think it's really important to have an 867 00:46:18,321 --> 00:46:23,461 approach to life that is, other than self, than 868 00:46:23,491 --> 00:46:28,081 being more concerned about others than about the self. 869 00:46:28,631 --> 00:46:32,881 I think it's a big part of how our spirits 870 00:46:32,881 --> 00:46:33,961 are supposed to work. 871 00:46:34,361 --> 00:46:36,476 I suppose if we're not so concerned about death, 872 00:46:36,481 --> 00:46:38,836 then that's a natural sort of evolution isn't it? 873 00:46:38,836 --> 00:46:41,516 That we become more interested in what 874 00:46:41,786 --> 00:46:43,016 effect we have on others. 875 00:46:43,816 --> 00:46:44,056 Yeah. 876 00:46:44,456 --> 00:46:47,211 Tony, thank you so much for coming on the show. 877 00:46:47,211 --> 00:46:48,891 I really appreciate you taking the time. 878 00:46:49,101 --> 00:46:49,311 I know 879 00:46:49,471 --> 00:46:49,951 you're welcome. 880 00:46:50,271 --> 00:46:53,531 over there, and I'm sure that people will get a 881 00:46:53,531 --> 00:46:54,671 lot out of this interview. 882 00:46:54,676 --> 00:46:55,961 And I appreciate you coming on. 883 00:46:56,496 --> 00:46:56,946 Anytime. 884 00:46:57,366 --> 00:46:58,566 Thank you for inviting me.