Ay, yo it's Father and you're listening to the Cabbages hip-hop podcast.
Let's go. [Music plays].
Hello and welcome to the Cabbages hip-hop podcast. I'm your host, Gary Suarez.
I'm a music journalist and critic and I write a twice-weekly hip-hop newsletter
called Cabbages, which you can subscribe to for free at cabbageshiphop.com.
Joining me as always is my hapless co-host,
music industry insider Jeffery Laughlin.
[Sighs] Hi Gary.
Now, today marks the start of season four of the podcast,
and this one's gonna be a little different. Jeff,
do you wanna tell the folks over at home what this season's all about?
No.
Wait, really?
I don't.
Like, I thought you were excited for this one.
This is what you wanted. This is what you decided you wanted to do.
We, we...in discussions we've had,
I have become amenable to the situations
that we shall unfurl.
You-- no, you, you wanted to do this. You were excited to do this.
You were thrilled, at the end of last season ---
Excited, absolutely not a word.
Hmm. Jeff and I are engaged in Bad Movie Battle,
discussing cinematic flops, cult calamities, and all-around stinkers.
Now we'll trade off picking our respective disreputable films every episode,
with great guests joining us along the way,
to pick who is the best at picking "good"
bad movies. And so, to kick things off, we'll be talking about "Tremors," the
1990 horror comedy that Entertainment Weekly said, quote,
"actually improves on the B movies that inspired it." Now, Jeff,
isn't that exciting?
We get to talk about the movie you've wanted me to watch for three fucking
seasons.
Okay. First and foremost,
nothing delights me more than the fact that you've finally seen "Tremors." I
have, I will...I will lay that out as like a positive part of this.
Hmm.
But I also feel like I made a strategic misstep in that I
said the quiet part loud and the loud part quiet.
I gave you "Tremors" immediately, and now it's gonna be a vengeance contest.
Oh.
That's where I'm at. I think I screwed this up.
Is that really how you think of me?
I'm very mad about it.
Is that what you think of me?
Yes. A miserly Scrooge. Yes.
Wow.
[Laughs] Doddering fool put here on this earth for my destruction.
I see myself as more of a Scrooge McDuck type. You know,
in the reboots he's actually quite, uh, favorably positioned.
But that being said, yes, each episode, uh,
we are going to pick movies. Uh, you got this one, you got "Tremors" --
1990 Movie "Tremors.".
Yes. And I will let you know at the end of this episode what movie we'll
watch next time, which seems fair to me.
The tone of your voice, it just, it,
it belies your nature. I'll tell you that much right now.
It belies your nature.
Wow. Belies my nature.
I just wanted to watch a fun set of movies with my friend.
And we're gonna do that now and have a gentle competition over, uh,
who is doing the best at it.
[Sighs].
We'll be right back. [Music interlude]
I'm thrilled to introduce our guest for today's show. Joining us now is Father.
The rapper and hip-hop artist has brought us such great projects as "Young Hot
Ebony" "Who's Gonna Get Fucked First," and, more recently, "Come Outside,
We Not Gone Jump You," available wherever music is streamed or sold.
He's going on tour this July, and you can see the dates at thosewhotake.com.
Hello, and welcome to the show.
Hey, what's up? What's up. What's up? That was a great intro. That was so nice.
Oh, thank you. Thank you. You know, we try to be professional here,
in between --
Gary. Gary tries to be professional.
And then Jeff just rips on the bong.
Yeah, I rip bong hits and then say really dumb shit. It's awesome.
No, it's perfect. It's a great balance.
[Laughs].
So before we get too deep into this,
did you have any familiarity with the Tremors movies at all?
Nah, it, it came out, um, well, the first one came out, like,
eight months before I was born, so, I don't think it -- I think, you know,
it was before where I got, you know, cognitive of life,
it was probably already had passed. And then, I didn't,
I didn't know anything about the fact that there was, like,
fuckin' seven of them and all --
Yeah, that --
-- until I looked up the first one, yeah.
Okay, is this the part where I reveal, uh, reveal something about my character?
Oh, sure. Yes. Tell us something about yourself.
I have seen all seven Tremors movies.
Jesus Christ.
I watched them with a buddy of mine over a,
you know, when the world shut down.
Oh, okay, I was about to say --
In the pandemic, I was like, he came to me with the idea. He was like,
"We're gonna watch a Tremors movie every week until we run out." And I was like,
"That sounds like an awful idea. I'm a hundred percent in.".
[Laughs].
I do not want to think about anything,
I just want this idiot franchise to run over me.
Of all the franchises.
Mm hmm, I went with the Tremors one.
Okay.
It baffles me -- not that you would choose to spend your time that way,
because we know what your time is worth, Jeff.
Father might still be surprised.
True.
What surprised me about this film, as,
as we agreed to do this and I started to read up about it,
was the critics at the time kept likening it to sort of
1950s B movies, the sort of monster horror films at the time,
and watching this film, I didn't get any of that. I, I thought of this as,
as a quintessentially '90s nonsense experience. Uh,
I didn't see it as kind of drawing onto the sort of, kind of popcorn fare --
But it, it came out in '90,
so they wouldn't have known yet that it was gonna be just '90s drivel.
They invented this!
Essentially.
Yeah, no. Okay. So this, this movie, to me,
holds a lot of weight in the making of really awful films later
on. Like, you mentioned, and,
and when we were just introducing ourselves to each other,
you mentioned "Sharknado.".
Yeah.
I don't think there is a world of Sharknados without there being a Tremors
universe.
Facts.
This, like, opened it up. And, like, the movie didn't do super well financially,
but it also didn't totally flop. And they realized, like,
we can release this stuff without it having to do all the rigamarole of theaters
and tons of, you know, tons of, of, of ad money.
Honestly, I didn't appreciate that when I was younger, but, like, it's a,
it's a great lane, I think.
Yeah. I'm not saying it's like the first thing that ever did this or anything,
I just feel like this particular kind of like,
'We can make big gross monsters and have people fight 'em,
we can do that again.'.
When you first told me to watch this,
I actually thought...I thought I had seen this before,
but I think I was actually thinking about the movie "Evolution," which I don't
really remember. I don't remember what the fuck that was about either,
but I was like, "Oh yeah, that's the --
'Tremors' is the movie where they're in the desert and there's some scientists
and they doing something, right?'.
Kind of! [Laughs].
There's just so many other movies that are just like that.
It's a huge trope.
What's the one with the...what's the big -- "Eight Legged Freaks"?
That's like a similar...isn't that kind of like a --
Absolutely.
Desert, crazy, like, a bunch of some crazy sh -- Yeah. So I was,
I was like, when I first heard "Tremors," I was like,
is that the one with the snakes? Is that some scorpions? Is that the tarantulas?
Nope, it was the underground worms.
The underground worms. Yes.
The underground worms that --
The doom bugs.
-- that move on sound.
The doom bugs.
The part of this that I loved the most is that at no point did they
have any desire to explain that, like,
a scientist was in town just right at the exact time that they had these
monsters around.
Yeah.
They were just like, "Oh, yeah, you're from the university.".
Out there studying.
"Grab your equipment and jump in the truck." And we were like, oh, cool,
there's a scientist, that's good.
Studying the tremors.
How fortuitous!
Yeah, i's just serendipitous right there. Honestly.
[Laughs] This movie rips.
But that's, that's perfect though. You don't really need, you don't need --
you don't really need an explanation for why any of these people were where they
were. Why are these...
No!
I was, I was...The entire time, I was like, why are they living there?
There's nothing around, why y'all living in this valley? But then one of the,
one of the guys later on, he explained it. He was like, yeah,
I moved out here for the whole purpose of the fact that can't nobody get to me.
So I was like, they're probably a bunch of criminals.
I'm assuming they a bunch criminals that just live in the middle of the desert,
like outlaws.
I mean, yeah, like, let's face it, like Michael Gross's character,
who's the one who says that -- he plays, uh, Burt Gummer. Uh, quite the,
quite the name. Burt Gummer is clearly somebody who is, you know,
kind of conspiratorial, probably part of some fringe movements,
probably a white supremacist or at least a reformed white supremacist,
if we can be perfectly honest about what kind of person he is. And Jeff,
no spoilers, I know you've watched all the movies, but --
I take a little offense to that because it would imply that Reba MacIntyre would
marry a supremacist.
Well, she didn't do any of the other sequels, right?
No.
There you go. [All laugh] Okay, so now --
And, and I won't spoil anything for the rest of the movies, but --
Oh, thank God.
-- Burt is in all of them.
He is the sole character that makes it from point A to point whatever
the seventh letter is.
Good lord.
Yeah.
Over how many years did this come out?
Well, it stopped. They were all straight-to-DVD after this one.
And they stopped it.
No, it's not straight-to-DVD, right?
Cuz the timing...they've gotta be straight-to-VHS for at least the first few,
right?
Yeah.
Sure. So they went straight-to-video
format with the rest of them until they have
resurrected the whole thing and put it on Netflix with,
uh, the guy's name, Jon Heder, Header, whatever the hell that guy's name is. Uh,
he is the lead now.
Why would he do that?
You know, Netflix is just throwing money at people.
Napoleon Dynamite and --
Napoleon Dynamite is the lead killer of giant worm
undergrounders. I won't give away any more than that, cuz I want people to --
If they want to take this journey, they should.
Yeah. If you have any interest in knowing what Jamie Kennedy is doing now, uh,
then you can do that.
But I think the answer to that question is a resounding no,
for anybody with sense.
I'm very curious.
He just popped up and I was like, oh, shit, this is gonna be awful. [Laughs].
I wanna know! I wanna know why Jon Heder's in it now. Now I feel like I need to,
like, continue watching the next ones.
Listen, Father, if you want, like, get whatever info you need from me,
we'll stay in touch. I would love to hear your thoughts.
After I've finished the entire --
If you can do it. I didn't want to finish it --
You know what, man, I have --
-- but I did.
-- too much time on my hands sometimes, so...
Let's do it.
I'm usually --
I'll watch them again, I don't care.
I'm just watching a kid most of the time. So it's like, while he's screaming,
I could be watching this bullshit.
Mm hmm, mm hmmm.
"Tremors 2: Aftershocks." Alright, nice. Does the,
does the story develop all the way up to the end? Like, is it like, okay,
now we're getting an idea where these things come from, or...
Do you want, like, a spoiler here that that's like totally awesome?
Uh, yeah. You know what?
It might actually get me more likely to continue watching.
Don't worry about the fuckin' plot. The monsters evolve.
Okay.
And they're cool as hell. They're weird. They're -- it's a weird lineage,
once you get deep into the, into the,
the different kinds of Tremors there are.
So what the fuck are these things? Like, you said worms, I'm calling, like,
I'm calling 'em sand worms, because that's what they fuckin' are.
Sure.
They're sand worms.
Sure.
Yeah.
It's like, they used the word graboid at one point in the film, and I was like,
no, that's, like,
the stupidest name anyone could possibly come up with for these creatures.
Yeah, that was a terrible name.
Then that's gonna be a bad thing for the rest of the movies,
cuz that's what they went with.
It stuck? It stuck? Ugh.
It stuck. That's the one that stuck.
That was Kevin Bacon's character, right?
Not mother humpers.
I think the person who came up with that one was,
was Victor Wong was riffing on the day, he was trying to come up with a thing.
So, Victor Wong plays Walter Chang.
Okay.
Victor Wong is, like,
you might have recognized him from "Big Trouble in Little China" or "The Golden
Child" with Eddie Murphy. Like, he's done some amazing broad comedy.
He is so underutilized in this movie,
but he is the person who gets the line about calling them graboids.
Okay, underused, yes, but very important.
He named these things for seven films.
Yeah.
He didn't know that.
He didn't know he was gonna be the person who named them for seven films.
That's just the magic of Victor Wong.
Kevin Bacon confirmed it, though. Like, cause that's when I saw,
I saw Kevin call them that. Or Valentine, right?
Yeah, Valentine.
Valentine McKee. [Laughs].
I heard, I caught, I caught when he called them that and I was like, oh, okay,
so that's, he just came up with the name on the spot, okay.
I didn't realize it came from, from homie.
I called 'em sand worms. It's like, they've got the snakes inside the mouths.
Like, so are they snakes? Or are they worms? Like what are,
what are these things?
Like, the fact that they live underground moves them to worm category for me.
Yeah.
Father, what do you think?
I think I, I, I agree with that.
Yeah.
I don't think they're snakes. I don't --
they don't even seem like they move like snakes either.
It seems like they just kind of just shoot straight. Also they have the little,
they have the little tiny,
the tiny little feelers on the side that propel them forward,
which is very wormlike.
Centipede-ish.
Centipede, yeah. Centipede-ish.
It's an amalgamation of things: There's centipede legs, snake
innards, worm outards. It's a, a hybrid of weird --
And teeth.
Like a dinosaur.
Crazy -- Yeah, dinosaur teeth. It's tough to know exactly what they are,
which to me, this movie is specifically, like,
the way that it's good is that the monsters are interesting to me.
But, I mean, you have the benefit of having watched, like,
six more movies after this. For me, it's like,
there's no explaining what these things are, where they come from,
what their powers are. Or like, I mean, you get to some sense where you go,
well, maybe they're smarter than they let on.
They are.
And there's, like, that part of it. But I'm like, okay --
We know that they can study situations and make adjustments,
which is not something monsters usually can do.
Right.
And that's, like, a massive humanlike trait that humans always believe,
in movies and otherwise, they always believe that like, well,
I can think my way out of this because I'm smarter than the thing that I'm
battling. But I don't think that's true in this case.
The limitations of the monster are because of the, like the physical nature.
It's a big behemoth.
How did these giant fuckin' lumbering sand worms stay hidden for so long?
They're fucking huge, and it seems that their diet is livestock and humans.
Yeah. They never really, they, they didn't get into, like, where they came from.
They didn't have time.
Yeah, they were in survival mode.
Like, this focused on the human -- yeah, exactly.
This focused entirely on human survival. Once they appeared.
They only had one -- a, a student, like, that's not really a proper...yeah.
Yeah. So, the scientist was just, like, you know, some guy's assistant,
basically.
Yeah.
The most useful thing we got from that whole science, uh,
was that there were four of 'em.
True. True.
Pretty much from then on, there was no more science.
[Jeff & Father laugh] It was just like, shit, they're here. It's happening now,
guys.
She exhausted her purpose immediately. And then was just like --
In fairness, she was a student, right? She was not like, she was --
She was not an expert.
She was not a PhD. They'd sent her --
She wasn't even there to study that in the first place.
No, she was just like, why are there tremors?
Yeah.
Oh, I saw -- Oh, I saw a monster. And that was, like,
the end of her having anything to do with anything.
But nobody had died the entire time before this movie started. Like --
That's my thing! It's like, this is the first time they appear? I mean, this is,
I know this place is kind of deserted, like this town is that, but come on.
It's addressed later, but...
They were speculating at one point, cause, like, they were like, oh,
I think one of them was like, oh this is, uh, it might be alien.
I think it's alien. And it's like, ah, okay, that'd make more sense. You know,
maybe it, it just recently happened. Like, they landed and then they maybe,
maybe they kind of grew the size. And then they awoke finally on that day,
I don't know. Maybe because --
This is, this is the fault of the screenwriters.
The screenwriters are supposed to explain stuff like this.
So in a movie like this --
Well, I don't know, man --
No, no listen, listen -- in a movie like this -- No, in a movie like this,
with competent screenwriters --
Don't you "no" me, you're not my dad.
-- they explain -- I am your dad. They explain --
[All laugh] There's already a father here!
That's an excellent point. Your two dads.
I'm clearly Paul Reiser in the Your Two Dads situation.
Can you label -- can you title the episode "My Two Dads"?
My two dads.
It might have to be that way. But, no, a competent writer --
and there were two writers on this, which makes it especially egregious,
'cause they would explain something. They'd say, like,
there's been drilling in the area or there's something that might have awoken
a beast. Every Godzilla movie kind of explains, like --
something specific happens, but they spell it out for you.
They tell you it to make it clear to the audience. And what I go is like,
what we're doing here is speculating.
There was, there was drilling, though --
But they don't explain --
-- but that was just roadwork, so I don't think that counts.
Yeah, drilling on the road. They don't explain, like, if it was, like,
oil wells out there or there was, like,
they were going for shale or natural gas or whatever the fuck --
there was something like that where they messed with the environment and drew
them up.
Totally.
Because these things are drawn by sound.
They had to be eating something all of this time.
Well, not sound but vibrations.
Fine, vibrations. They had to be eating something all this time.
And suddenly now they get up and they're fuckin' hungry.
Where were they at again?
Nevada. Perfection, Nevada.
Oh, well, okay. That makes even less sense now.
I know too much to be involved in this conversation, unfortunately.
Ah, see, yeah! See, I feel like they explained it --
they explain it more in the next one, don't they?
Yeah, if you have six more movies to explain the story,
you can explain the fuckin' story, but they had 95 minutes.
Well,
maybe then you should watch the other six movies if you're so fuckin' curious.
This movie obviously made you curious.
[Laughs] I am very curious where they came -- cause I'm like, in my head,
I'm like, oh, maybe...I'm thinking, right, space or ocean,
buried in... I don't know. I, I don't know.
I'm not gonna tell you.
I don't want you to. I don't want you talking --
But I think that this movie was very, very careful just to, like,
kind of avoid that. Now you can call it a lazy --
But they might have said --
Hold on. I let you speak for, like, four hours. [Laughs] No, he,
every time there's a scene where they start to, sort of,
ramble about what these things are or what the next move is,
there's another emergency. Like, oh, shit,
they learned that if you just circle things, they, like, become unstable.
You know what I mean? Like,
every time they got into a conversation about what they could do,
these things were like, well, we can't have that.
There's nothing about this film that is careful.
I want to definitely go in there.
Mmmmm.
I don't think that's true. I don't think that's true. I mean --
It might be a little -- sounds like a little, sounds, like, very sentient, like,
manmade type of situation going on here then. But I'ma stop speculating.
I think it's more -- well, no, totally, you can speculate all you want, man,
it's super fun. It's like the only fun part of these movies.
Correct.
Especially, especially since it's like, it's literally sequels and I,
I'm oblivious.
I'm not saying the movie's good when I say that they were careful about this. I,
you know,
I think they just kind of wrote around the things they didn't know how to do.
They were just a couple of Navy dudes that wrote a film with their friend from
National Geographic.
But -- okay, so, first of all, this is --
You know what I mean?
I know what you're speaking to, you're speaking to the idea, like,
the originally came up with the idea for this movie --
Write what you know!
-- when they were working for the Navy making safety videos and they speculated,
while they were standing on a rock,
what would happen if something was down there to keep us from getting off this
rock, how would we get around it?
And that is how they developed the idea for this back in, like,
I think sometime in the early '80s is the story, you know?
Yeah.
But, like, they -- basically, what they came up with in terms of this creature,
these creatures,
is they just basically ripped off things that existed in the world already.
Frank Herbert's "Dune" sandworm obviously being the most iconic of all
sandworms, and then, quite blatantly, Tim Burton's "Beetlejuice" sandworms.
Cause if you remember "Beetlejuice" --
Ah, yeah.
1988. Had a sandworm with another sandworm inside its mouth.
Right.
So they said, "Okay, we'll do the same thing,
but we'll make more of them inside the mouth." That's, I think,
as much thought as went into what these creatures are.
100%. And I think that, like,
if they're smart enough to know that they can't write a fuckin' origin story,
then leave it out. It's an entertaining, stupid film.
I don't need to know everything of what happened.
True.
There are these things here, how are we gonna get outta here?
It makes for good speculation later on, after the fact.
Yeah. It's like, you get to be the imaginative one in this case.
It opens up a sequel, you know.
They were definitely cognizant of sequels, because prior to "Tremors," uh,
do you know what film franchise they were responsible for writing?
"Short Circuit.".
"Short Circuit" [Laughs].
Do you remember "Short Circuit"? Johnny five the robot?
Is that the, the, the little freaky robot? Oh, this man! Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah. Yeah.
So Steve Gutenberg star in the original, with Ally Sheedy, um,
about a robot who is a military weapon that, uh, somehow,
uh, gains sentience and human feelings and believes it is alive.
And it makes for, uh, wacky good times. Um,
it also did really well at the box office,
to justify a sequel that includes neither Steve Gutenberg nor Ally Sheedy --
only includes a brownface performance by Fisher Stevens,
and Michael McKean from "Spinal Tap" is in there as well. But, like,
they did that. But I wanna start --
Wait, McKean was in brownface as well?
This movie poster looks so ridiculous.
If you've never seen these movies, they are mess.
But "Short Circuit 2" is an absolute disaster of a film.
It really is a disaster.
But when I was a kid in the '80s watching things on basic cable, like,
these movies were amazing to me.
Always on.
Yeah.
But I just want you to understand the judgment calls that these guys made.
So they made those, those two movies. You know,
the first one certainly was a success, the second one, I think,
probably less so, but you know -- think about the movies they made,
they wrote after "Tremors." These are two of the films that they wrote after
"Tremors," and this is why I don't believe "careful" has anything to do with
what these two fuckers, S.S. Wilson and Brent Maddock, done. Okay.
Okay.
After "Tremors," two of the movies they made in the '90s, as writers.
Okay.
"Ghost Dad" and "Wild Wild West.".
What?
You know what, they're good at? They're good at, like, they,
they made movies that were, like, oddly watchable though.
Have you seen "Ghost Dad"?
Oh, okay.
He goes through the phone and yells at someone! It's crazy.
Oh, I don't know if I've ever -- it's one of those things where it's like,
cuz you know, like I'm I was, you know,
it's another movie that came out the year. It's 6%. God damn.
Yeah.
Oh, it's rough, man. It's horrible. It's rough.
It's an impossible watch.
It's one of those movies that I feel like I might have seen because I do
remember this movie, but I can't recall anything of it.
I feel like I probably watched --
At the time that that thing came out, I don't know that there was an amount of,
of wrong Bill Cosby could do in the general universe -- obviously, off-camera,
not the case, but on-camera, like,
people absolutely loved this human being and he could not,
by any stretch of the imagination, make this a movie. It was just awful.
Yeah. And it's like, between -- he did two,
there were two movies he did in that,
in that period that are both absolute stinkers.
There's "Ghost Dad" and "Leonard Part 6." Um.
Oh man, what a piece of shit.
Hold up. Wait, wait, wait, what, what a, you,
you just grazed over "Wild Wild West," though. Why was that so... I mean,
I love that movie. That shit's --
Well, "Wild Wild West" is one of, like, the biggest, like,
Hollywood flops of all time. Like one of the biggest disasters --
Conceptually -- conceptually, it was fuckin' ridiculous to me.
Yeah. I mean, I'm,
I'm gonna paraphrase a story that I heard years and years ago,
but the reason why "Wild Wild West" got made is because, like,
one of the studio people, producers behind it -- I forget which one it was --
had this idea in his head for,
for a battle scene with a giant mechanical spider and kept pitching it
to every single, like, director to fit into movies. So, like,
they wanted Superman to fight a giant mechanical spider.
I think Kevin Smith talked about this. They pitched him on something with that,
too, or somebody told him about that, and it was this thing. And, finally,
some people agreed to make a movie with a giant mechanical spider and they
greenlit it and it's "Wild Wild West.".
So every other idea for that movie just surrounds that?
It's because they have, they had to make the spider. So everything else,
that whole steampunk nonsense, comes because they had to find a way to,
to fuckin', you know, shoehorn in --
Explain the spider. Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
The retro-- the retro-- damn.
Yeah. That's what it is.
Cause I was, it was so much shit that I was like, one: why do they have, like,
you know, why do they have this tech already? So like, you know, the, the, the,
the blade that finds the, the, the thing on your neck,
the "Saw"-type shit they were doing, too? When I was younger, I was like,
this is so fire.
I didn't see this.
You never saw "Wild Wild West"?
I didn't see. I didn't catch that one.
Oh, you haven't, Jeff? Okay. Good to know.
I used to watch that shit repeatedly when I was younger. That was,
that was one of the ones --
I think that was like, you were the perfect age to get caught there.
Yeah. Yeah. That was '99. I was, I was --
Yeah.
Yeah. That was like my, you know, that was two, you know, Y2K.
Like that was my prime time. That's when I, you know, I'm,
I'm on the internet and shit, like, I'm finding out about, you know,
I'm on the computer going on message boards and role playing Dragon Ball Z and
all kinds of weird shit, talking to 30-year-olds as a 10-year-old.
I was in, you know, maybe first, second year of college. And it was just like,
you know, that's, like, prime 'I'm better than everything' mode.
Exactly. Yeah. No, that was a --
I'm out here like, "Ugh, that movie looks terrible.
I only watch good movies." Like that matters. [Laughs].
Yeah. Then it was like, you know, it was Will. You know?
Yeah.
And we all love Will.
Yeah. And that's back when Will could do no wrong.
You went to go see what he did. The thing is just that movie --
I think the failure of that movie has less, it's not about Will, obviously,
the failure of that movie is about its conception being so poor,
its budget being astronomical, and, ultimately,
just not being the thing that people really wanted to see at the end of the day.
Yeah.
Like, I mean that's, if you're, I mean, I don't have the full timeline,
but like, you know, we're talking about the late '90s? 1999?
That's "The Matrix.".
Is "Tremors" better or worse?
Yeah. It was a quintessential, like, late '90s blockbuster. It was,
everything about it was very much how movies were made at that time.
And I will say, to answer your question, Jeff,
the music in "Wild Wild West" is better than the music in "Tremors.".
Well, that's -- okay, fine. But, like, why don't you answer the real question?
We can discuss it when, uh,
when I make you watch "Wild Wild West" at some point. If I choose to do so.
Y'all gotta do "Wild Wild West.".
I don't like this.
He's gonna like it.
The agreement for this season is that we pick good
bad movies. You know what I mean? Like bad movies that are, like,
inherently watchable and fun, instead of just, like, absolute dreck.
And I thought, I thought "Tremors" was a really good version of that.
It's not a good movie.
Mmm, it's questionable.
But it was, it's super fun to watch, it has a lot of, like, weird,
unanswered questions --
That's fun to you. Weird, unanswered questions. So plot holes.
Plot holes are fun to you.
Yeah, for a bad movie though.
I wanted more --
You're making it sound like we were supposed to pick, like, cinematic classics.
We were supposed to pick bad movies that were inherently watchable.
I wanted more, more murder, honestly.
Yeah.
There could have been a lot more killing. Could have been a lot more killing.
You guys didn't think it was, like, a really weird,
cool kill when that car got buried?
Oh, right, there you go, see? I was about to say that!
That was sick.
I was about to say, that was the sickest part of the entire movie.
Totally, dude, what a scene.
And that was fuckin' halfway through!
What a scene.
They should have, I don't know, not saved that, but that was, like,
the coolest kill, like, because they didn't show it. It's like, oh man,
she's in a, like, she's in a sand trap. Like, that's like a sand coffin.
She's fuckin' --
That is terrifying.
That's horrible. She's probably --
Terrifying, and then whatever's underneath the sand just ate her 35-year
husband.
But the thing is like, she might,
she might not even have fuckin' died from them.
They probably didn't even eat her.
They just pulled her down for no fuckin' reason!
It's possible.
Cause all the, like, they might not have even gone in there. Yeah.
They might have just murdered her and now she's just trapped in sand,
suffocating and dying. It was horrible. Then them finding it and them, them,
them like wiping off the car grille? I was like, oh yeah, yeah.
That's a great setup.
It's an absolutely fantastic, like, few minutes.
Yeah. More of those.
There are stretches of this, this movie that I like.
I really like the way that they discovered the, the drunk guy,
where he climbed up the thing and, like, gave this little, like --
Yeah.
-- talking to myself,
little kind of mini soliloquy about this guy's problems with alcohol and,
like, cursing under his breath. And then he goes again and he's dead, you know?
Yeah.
I thought that whole thing was well done.
I still wanted -- I want more gore, a little bit.
The lead into the movie was good, and then it, like,
becomes a survivalist tale and we just get too much of, like, four people.
Both of those are -- the car kill is...obviously, it's amazing. That,
that I have to give credit to.
It's a classic kill, too.
It's one of those things that you talk about. And then, like,
I think the way they find the first body is definitely worthwhile.
But I think what happens is that most of the actual kills in the film are with
characters we've never met or have very little experience with.
So there's no stakes. There's nothing that matters.
That makes perfect sense.
You get away with it for the first one. You get away with it.
It's about the mystery, the surprise.
Why would someone starve to death or dehydrate or what have you up in a tower
when they could easily come down?
Yeah.
The progression from, like, didn't get eaten to, like,
fully got eaten to, like,
swallowed in a car is crazy and cool.
But swallowed in a car --
The beginning of the film is good.
They should have --
But swallowed in a car should have happened to characters that we'd met and had
faith in.
Totally.
Yeah, cause I'd have been, you know, I'd have been more, like,
distraught about them dying.
I feel bad about the, you know, a couple that's been together for decades,
you know, dying in that way. That's unfortunate.
But we didn't have any experience with those people.
We didn't really know what was going on. In the same way,
they threw stakes at us just by tugging on heartstrings. There was, like,
the little girl from "Jurassic Park." Yes,
that's the little girl from "Jurassic Park.".
Right.
Who has, like, zero lines.
She just Pogos around on her Pogo stick with her headphones on --
She should have gotten eaten.
There should have been a threat, a real threat to her.
Yeah.
More so than what happened.
Like I knew, I knew they were not gonna kill her,
but they should have done that. Cuz that would've took me by surprise.
I'd have been like, oh, fuck! They really bit that little girl's legs off.
They should have done that. They should have committed.
They had the ability to do that.
Yeah. They could have been like, he didn't make it in time. Like,
he grabbed her at the perfect time and it ate the Pogo stick. I was like, nah,
man, let that motherfucker eat that little girl.
And then also that little asshole that kept going "eyyy," you know, like,
like scaring the fuck outta them?
Oh, he youths deserved to die.
From "Can't Hardly Wait.".
They should have gone first.
Fuck him up too.
I'm totally in agreeance with you guys.
"Jurassic Park," you can't kill the kids,
but they put those kids in serious peril in "Jurassic Park" enough times that,
like, you go, like, oh wow. So when I saw this little girl in this movie,
at first I thought like, oh, shit, they're gonna play up this kid in danger.
Like, this is gonna be the thing, this kid's gonna be in danger. And they, like,
played it for one joke about her Pogo-ing with a sandworm coming
towards her. That's it?
They should, they should have stuck her ass out in the desert for, like,
you know, like the hour by herself, like where she was just like, "Oh, my God,
I'm not gonna make it!" And then she just, I don't know,
some childlike survival instinct come in and then somebody eventually save her.
But yeah, nah, nah, the quick -- that was too short. It was too short. Like,
"oh, where's little --
In my notes, in all caps, I wrote --
I don't know why I thought this was so important, but --
"He didn't like the Pogo stick!".
That was, that's a good one-liner. That's a good one-liner.
That's good. [Music plays].
We have to talk about Reba, right?
I would love to talk about Reba.
This was Reba's first acting role in a
movie.
Dead ass?
Facts.
That's crazy.
And she nailed it.
Who the hell let her do this?
Oh man.
It's the first role. So, you know --
Yeah, you gotta get in somewhere.
She probably did it. She probably let herself do it.
But Reba was a fuckin' star at this point. So, like,
this movie comes out in 1990.
I think "Fancy" came out in '88 or '89. "Fancy"!
Yeah.
Like, like, a song that to this day is iconic.
But "Fancy" comes out and she's like, "Now I'm gonna do the sandworm movie.
That's my next move.".
Yeah.
And her role is bizarre because she's kind of playing second
fiddle to Michael Gross,
who has gone from spending the past seven, eight years being --
She would not believe --
if you were to speak to that character this way she'd be offended.
Yes. But they didn't give her shit --
Because she didn't play second fiddle. She told him what, what to do a lot.
No.
She was like, "No, we're gonna do it this way.".
No. Cause, look, there's a contrast that exists there.
The contrast is you finally have her in there and she's playing against Michael
Gross. Who's chewing the scenery,
cause for the first time in seven years he's not playing the dad from "Family
Ties," the whitest TV dad of that decade.
Yeah. He got even whiter.
Yeah. He's trying to play against type by being --
He went extremist.
He went from Connecticut white to --
That's a tough, that's a tough transition.
You stare at that and that's confusing, and then Reba's just kind of there.
Where she shines, though, and where I would love to hear your thoughts today,
is when she's firing weapons.
The looks on her face.
Yeah.
It's just GIF-worthy all day long.
Good country girl, you know?
Yeah. She's been pushed too far. She'll deal with the asshole husband, but a,
a worm from under the ground? You're getting all the lead.
When they hit the wall and it was just, like, guns galore, I was like, oh shit.
[Laughs].
Yeah.
That's where I go, like,
the white supremacist sort of thing is definitely happening in that point.
Is there any evidence whatsoever that, like, I mean,
I know that guns save the day. I mean, obviously, right?
But is there any, like, real evidence that having, like,
50 guns in that truck did anything other than just, like, make them feel better?
Because they shot 'em like 150 times and the thing would just, like,
smash forward just as fast as before, only losing some goop.
It didn't seem to matter at all. They're just, like, pumping this thing full of,
like, insane amounts of lead.
It turns out the giant bombs that you also brought, those are more effective.
The giant bombs.
Absolutely.
It took them, like, 45 minutes to start bombing these fuckin' things.
And they had a hundred bombs. [Laughs].
This is sort of the American mentality, isn't it? It's the idea that you,
you shoot at a thing and you shoot a thing and then you shoot it with a bigger
gun. [Jeff sighs] Then you shoot with a bigger gun. It's how America goes to --
it's how America used to go to war. It's like,
we didn't drop bombs until it really got serious. You know,
now we have drone strikes now and now we're,
even bigger monsters than we ever were, but, like you didn't drop bombs until --
But at that time --
-- after you, after you bayonetted people in the fuckin' swamp.
We hadn't had the first Iraq war yet, at that point? Or am I...no.
That's, I think that's '91.
Yeah. It's a year later, is when, like, you know, when bombs were, like,
the thing. Everybody knew about bombs all of a sudden. [Music plays] Some
favorite quotes.
My favorite quote from this comes from, uh, from Michael Gross --
Burt Gummer --
and it is that scene after they have just laid waste,
him and Reba, uh, Heather Gummer,
on this sandworm who has broken through the wall like the fuckin' Kool-Aid man.
[Father laughs] And
they finally got it down and he says, "Broke into the wrong goddamn rec room,
didn't ya, bastard?".
That's a jam.
"Ya bastard." [Laughter] That's, I think my favorite. It's just --
When those two are firing guns together, it is a delight.
Oh, how delightful.
It bothers me so much that they were absent for such a significant portion of
this film they spent like --
Yeah.
-- most of act two off, like, looking for something.
And then they come back and finally it's like, oh,
this is why they were away all this time,
because you couldn't just have them be there during this shit,
where they were just, like, "Well, we're gonna go get all of our guns now.".
Right.
What, what was your, uh, what was your favorite one-liner, Jeff?
"Run for it? Running's not a plan.
Running's what you do once a plan fails." [Gary laughs]
Whoa! Why. Point to -- [Coughs] pardon me --
point to another bad film that has a line that
good. Like,
"The Running Man" didn't have a line that good about running and it was about
running.
Yeah.
[Laughs] Oh, my God. It was, I was almost there.
Then you said "about running." I'm like, okay, got it. I was like,
there's no way to --
[Laughs] It's a movie about running!
There's no way to shoehorn it in. That's just perfect. It's great.
What a line!
Uh, Father, do you have any favorite lines from the film?
Um, I'm gonna go with, uh, probably -- cause, I mean, the only,
the only person that was truly, really interesting was Kevin Bacon's character,
honestly.
Agree.
Like he, you know, he's real, you know, emotive and shit. Um, it was,
it was all, I think it was when they first killed the, the first joint. I don't,
I can't remember exactly what he said, but it was just like, it was like,
like "we killed..." Like he just, he did a real big "FUCK YOU!" like,
he like flipped out all of a sudden. He was like,
they were kind of chill for most of the movie. And then,
that was the one time he was like, "Yeah, brah, I was in fuckin' peril.
Fuck this big-ass goddamn,
this big-ass worm." Like he tripped the fuck out after,
after he smashed the joint. And it was around the same time,
the other line about like, like "I found the ass end!".
Oh man.
[Laughs] That's right!
Yeah, that whole, that whole little section of dialogue after they kill it,
he is like, "Fuck you." And then, like, "I found the ass end," like,
that was the perfect little -- like, that's the,
that's the one moment where I was like, oh, okay. He piped up a little bit,
you know, he got, you know, got some character into it and shit like that.
But for the most part -- like, you know,
cause most of the time they were just like,
"I'm just a chill guy who's out on the Prairie," you know, whatever.
Right.
Like they never got too,
too excitable until like that very moment when they finally killed some shit.
Smart-dumb young dude was like, perfect.
Yeah.
He was perfect for it. He was made for that role. It really, to me,
like, it clicked through most of the film,
even when he was at his most ridiculous, you know?
Yeah, we haven't talked much about Kevin Bacon, but I think, like,
he is the star and he definitely shows that star power. Cause for me,
he --
He had the hair.
Oh, he had the hair.
Yeah. He had the, the '90s hair. That was it.
For me, what I really enjoyed was the first act of this movie
is ostensibly a buddy comedy between Kevin Bacon and Fred Ward.
And Fred Ward being the older friend and they're, you know,
just trying to get their lives together. They're gonna go to the, the, the,
I'm not gonna say the big city, but to the next city,
the nearest city to try to make something of themselves. And, like,
their whole interplay is wonderful. And it's just like, it brings up Fred Ward,
who is a great B movie-level actor, great character actor.
Um, you know, he was Remo Williams in "Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins." And
here's Kevin Bacon who, like, you know, six years before had, you know,
had "Footloose" and, like, worked with, you know, he worked with, like,
not necessarily before this movie, but around this movie,
he worked with everybody from John Hughes on "She's Having a Baby" to Rob Reiner
in "A Few Good Men," Oliver Stone and "JFK," obviously,
is a very key role role for him. But, like,
this isn't even the best Kevin Bacon movie that came out in 1990.
"Flatliners" came out in 1990.
Joel Schumacher's "Flatliners." Keifer Sutherland, Julia Roberts,
Kevin Bacon. It is --
I missed that one.
You missed "Flatliners"?
I didn't see "Flatliners.".
I don't think I've ever seen "Flatliners.".
Are neither of you familiar with "Flatliners"?
I told you I was, you know, I was, I was born that year.
It's Jeff I'm disappointed in, but I'm generally disappointed in Jeff, so...
Why, like... ow. A disappointment?
"Flatliners"!
I deserve disappointment over "Flatliners"?
"Flatliners" was a movie about --
I'll watch "Flatliners," Jesus! "Disappointment.".
I'm gonna tell you the premise of "Flatliners." "Flatliners" is,
is a movie about medical students who experiment with bringing
each other back from the dead.
Killing themselves and bringing them back from the dead.
[Laughs] I can't believe I missed this.
And when they come back, they bring back, basically, evil spirits with them.
Oh, that's nuts.
It's amazing.
And it is a way better movie than "Tremors." It is a way better bad movie --
I guarantee it is, have you listened to the premise? Jesus!
-- a way better bad movie than "Tremors" is.
Oh, there's a, uh, I just looked it up. There's a remake of it.
I didn't know that.
They did do a remake of it. Mmmm....not so good.
Good fuckin' --
I mean, look,
he was also in "RIPD." Let's not go crazy talking about 'Kevin Bacon's the
best.'.
But no, I'm just saying at that time. And, like, the other thing is that,
not only is this ,like,
that it's not that "Tremors" is not even Kevin Bacon's best movie that year.
It's not even the best monster horror movie of that year. Because also 1990?
"Arachnophobia.".
But we weren't picking good movies.
No, I'm just saying that, like, on the scale of these things...
You keep talking to me like I've gone, like, "Yo,
this movie is amazing." It's hilariously bad.
That's the best part of it to me.
See, I don't think it's hilarious enough.
Okay.
And I don't think it's, I don't think it's a good enough bad movie. Like --
It, it is, it absolutely is not hilarious enough. I'll say that.
Thank you.
Nah, that shit was not --
There's long stretches where it's mighty boring.
Like whenever the monsters aren't attacking --
Yeah.
-- it's really boring.
If you're gonna call something a horror comedy, it has to be scary and funny,
Jeff. That's how it works.
Scary -- there were...Okay.
"Scary Movie," like...
I laughed out loud a few times at Kevin Bacon being a jackass.
Like I, I laughed at some ,like, obviously unfunny stuff. I really,
I laughed really hard when, uh,
when they had the argument about who was gonna go run after
the, like, Cat, the machine, you know what I mean? The, I guess,
tractorlike thing.
Sure.
Uh, when they were running for the tractor,
they had this argument about who was gonna go. And I was like,
one of you is, like,
30 years younger than the other one and in prime shape and
absolutely will get there faster than the other dude. What is this, like,
grousing about? [Laughs] It was, I could not stop laughing at that.
It was so stupid and, like, pointless to be there.
So Father, before we let you go, um...
Yeah --
Because
clearly Jeff and I don't see eye-to-eye on this film --
You were never going to see eye-to-eye with me.
You're mad that you had to do it in the first place;
you came in with the wrong attitude.
I think I came in with a fine attitude for approaching this,
because the question is very simple. And this is the question --
Saying that 'I would never watch it' and coming in and saying it was gonna be
bad to me off, off-cam.
I don't know if that's exactly how it went down.
[Laughs] I've got receipts.
Exactly how it went. Um,
but, Father,
the whole premise of this season again is we are trying to watch good bad
movies. So, Jeff, you think this is a good bad movie, yes?
I do. I'll stand behind it.
I do not think this is a good bad movie. Father, do you think "Tremors" --
Ebert agrees with me. Did you just think that's -- I think that's something.
No, don't -- you've had an hour to try to explain this thing.
You've had plenty of time to try to explain this.
It is now up to our guest to be the deciding vote in this tiebreaker situation.
Is "Tremors" a good bad movie?
It -- oh, man. It's -- uh, it's,
it's a watch, you know? You know, it's not, it's not,
I'll say it's not a horrible movie. It's not good. It's not good either.
It's not good.
It's not, it's not good. It's not good. It's not horrible, though.
It's bad!
It's not bad. It's not bad bad. It's like, it's just, like, it exists.
What it sounds like to me is you're saying it's a good bad movie. Move.
No, Jeff, let him work through it himself.
No, please, he's, like, saying everything but good bad.
This is why we don't let people like you near polling places.
You have to let people --
If it was this --
[Laughs] Whoa, whoa, whoa!
Alright, alright, alright, alright. If it was just like -- if I'm, you know,
I'm sitting in the house, I have cable.
Yeah.
If it's just on, I'm gonna turn it off.
Okay.
I'm not gonna, I'm probably not gonna stick around to catch the, the, the --
cause...I don't know. It's just, it's like, alright. So it's like, it's,
there's a certain level of, of, of '90s
boring movies, and this was like, like,
this was exactly that, you know? This is like that, like, nothing is happening,
damn near. A lot is happening, but...I don't know something about it,
it's just like, the acting and everything is like, 'oh, okay, all right.' Yeah.
And I love some real boring fuckin' '90s, '80s movies, too. You know?
Sure.
I'm, it's just like, it's like, I just like, cause I love some shit---
This is not a movie to love.
No, no, this is not a movie to love.
No.
It's not a movie to -- it's probably not... I don't know.
I don't know how to say it, but it's...it's shocking, Kevin Bacon, but...
[Father & Jeff laugh] Honestly, go back and look, like -- Gary,
Gary put a nice shine on Kevin Bacon. He's a,
he literally was in ev-er-y-thing.
Yeah. I don't, I don't even like, I like, I know Kevin -- like,
he's another one of those actors --
Do you remember the movie "Balto"? No.
Barely.
That was about around this time.
I barely -- like, that's one of those movies I used to --
the preview would come on before I watch whatever movie I'm about to watch.
Sure.
But, cause, yeah, I'm -- I don't know Kevin Bacon really that well. Like,
I know Kevin Bacon, though. You know what I'm saying? I know that face,
but I really, I really -- thinking off the top of my head, I'm like,
I don't know what movies, Kevin Bacon really is in. You know,
I guess it's just like that --
"Beauty Shop," he's in "Beauty Shop.".
It's a big, it's a big gap for me, I guess. Cause you know, you know, for the,
the main years he was active, I was like a fuckin' 9-year-old. I don't know.
Yeah.
Um, but yeah, yeah. No, no. I don't think it's -- I can't say good bad.
Cause I love some good bad shit.
Okay.
You know?
Fair enough.
I don't know if -- I don't know if it's good bad. I don't know if it's good bad.
I won't say it's bad bad.
It was watchably bad.
Yeah.
To be clear my question, my question is not whether it's a bad bad movie,
it's whether --
It's a boring -- it's a boring decent. How about that?
It's a boring --
That sounds like a vote --
That's, like, right in between where Gary and I are landing.
No, no, that's not in between. That's not in between. [Father laughs]
That definitely leans more towards my --
No, I don't think it does. I think it's right down the middle. It's like 50/50,
man. 50/50.
If somebody else --
I don't know if we can count it.
If somebody else wanted to watch it, I'm not gonna tell them to turn it off.
You know? I'ma be like, I'm, I'ma sit there.
I like that language a lot!
I gotta, you know -- I don't know if y'all know the homie,
my homie Archibald Slim --.
Of course!
Yeah.
Arch, like, he watches -- like, this is somebody you should bring on this show,
cause he watches terrible fuckin' movies every day.
Like, he'll run through -- like, he'll just be sitting and he'll watch, like,
five movies back to back. Four of them will be fuckin' terrible.
He'll find one good one. But he just, he powers through them all,
no matter what. I don't know what he's just --
he's just building a database in his head of terrible fuckin' movies,
but he does this shit. And, you know, he'll, he'll throw that shit on.
I'll be sitting there like, "Bro, this is a terrible fuckin' movie.
Why are we still watching this?" And it'll be like an hour into it.
I'm just like, well, you know, whatever.
At least I know what not to do if I ever wanted to make a movie.
So this is good. This is good information. You know, it's good to watch,
you know? So, but yeah, yeah. This,
this ranks up in there of like, I'm not gonna tell you to turn it off,
but I'ma look at it and not enjoy it. [Music plays].
What an amazing guest we had tonight.
Oh, yeah.
We're so lucky.
It's amazing that we had somebody of that caliber to come on and talk about
such a lousy film.
You know, I didn't even --
I wasn't even mad that he didn't agree with me that it was a good bad movie.
I wasn't mad at him for disagreeing with you either.
I disagree with you all the time.
Of course you like it when I look, when I look bad on the air.
We've we've established that for seasons upon seasons. It's like a,
a trope with you. 'Let's make Jeff look stupid'. Like I need any help.
Huh. You're, you're selling yourself --
But the thing is --
-- you're selling yourself appropriately.
With you two disagreeing with me,
I'm still on the side of most people that it is a good bad movie.
I think more people believe it to be a good bad movie. It's certified fresh
on Rotten Tomatoes.
Well, I mean, look, those numbers are what they are.
That movie --
This is not based on reality. You know, the, the fact is, is the film --
I hear you, but, like, of course it isn't! It's a movie about underground worms.
Yeah. It's about underground worms --
I'm so sorry you can't suspend your disbelief for one movie because you're
trying to prove a point. You're capping.
But I'm -- but you're saying people liked it. Like,
this is a film that they made, it cost them $10 million to make,
it made $16. The expectations --
Yeah, but it's made movies since then, too. It was on cable all the time --
But the expectation is clearly a lot higher.
It's the kind of movie that I think --
They made six more of 'em!
I think the reason why you have a franchise that comes out of it is it's a film
that finds a second life among weirdos in video stores in the
1990s, which is a place where weirdos thrived: '90s video stores.
Okay. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
I come from a proud lineage of video store weirdos. Okay?
How dare you? Video store weirdos. "Tremors" is fun to watch.
But that's the argument that I'm making, is that --
For a lot of people.
-- you're saying "most people," I'm saying video store weirdos like
you like this movie enough that they were saying this.
There weren't that many video store weirdos. It's a,
it's a wildly popular film. It, it,
it was released on Netflix with all of them and streamed a whole lot.
People enjoy this idiot film, is all I'm saying.
Well, you know, I, I think we, we got our answer with our guest tonight.
You know, I think it's a good way of beginning this season. We, obviously,
we're gonna battle it out, so to speak, uh, over the course of these episodes.
So, I think it was good to get a perspective that, you know,
helps us get an understanding of what a good bad movie actually is.
He didn't quite think it met that level.
I understand. I understand. I'm not mad. He was -- what a,
what a wonderful human.
Yeah. I mean, look, an amazing artist, amazing artist, great person to talk to,
like, Father was great.
But I just, I'm just saying that, like, this does -- this is not a,
a poll that is indicative of the whole.
Well, that's not what we're doing here. Like,
we're not asking the world to decide on these things. The point of this, of a,
of this is we have another party in the room helping us to decide
these things.
Okay, then where are you at on a good bad movie? What, what,
what is constituting a good bad movie to you?
Well, I mean, there's a lot of options. Obviously,
there's loads things that I'm considering for this season. You know,
I've been --
A whole spectrum of terrible movies we can watch.
Well, I mean, of good -- of things that I think will be good bad movies.
And I think that, uh -- look, you know my tastes.
You know a lot about my tastes.
Yeah.
And you know my taste in comedy in particular.
And I think comedy is where there's a lot of great resource for --
Oh, no, I don't like this at all.
No, no, no! A lot of great resource for good bad movies are in comedy.
Uh, I don't know, man. I don't know about this. Comedy?
Yeah! Well, look, horror comedy is --
We picked "Evil Bong" --
We've done a lot of --
-- but that's off-air. We've never, we've never talked about it.
There are some movies that we watched in between last season and this season,
um, that were particularly bad. We watched things that were,
I think truly considered bad bad movies. And we --
I'm sure they'll come up because you like to rub things in my face,
but we watched some things that were bad, bad movies.
[Laughs] That's a thing that I do.
But I think where part of where we maybe got some of this stuff wrong is that --
in the, in the off-season -- is that we, we,
we didn't pick films that actually, uh, met the criteria.
Genre films and horror sort of sometimes don't find the balance of horror
comedy. And I think it's like, picking a comedy written by comedians,
directed by comedians, starring comedians,
as opposed to screenwriters who maybe have some funny ideas,
will get us there.
[Sighs] Oh, man. Look, that limits it to, like,
two or three studios that would allow that to happen. Like,
small subsects of things, which means that they're comedian-run. Like,
you're saying everything's comedian-run?
Well, no, I'm saying that that's a, that's a pool from which to pull things.
I mean, for example, the Happy Madison universe of films.
See, that's what I was -- that's exactly where I was getting to, was like,
you're gonna make me watch some stupid Adam Sandler thing like "Little Nicky." I
don't wanna watch "Little Nicky.".
Well, here, I'm gonna promise you this: The,
the next movie that I pick will not be an Adam Sandler movie.
He's not in it.
Uh, no, this is not an Adam Sandler film. I mean, he,
maybe he has a cameo in it, but I don't think he is. I think this is actually.
I think it's a Happy Madison movie,
so it's gonna be all the dudes that are like --
No, there's -- look, there's loads of Happy Madison movies that aren't --
Happy Madison movies.
Some actresses who had, like, recently not been cast in stuff for a while.
Oh, my God. You're, you're stereotyping over here. I'm saying that there's --
Stereotyping! It's the thing that he did, all the time.
But Happy Mad -- but they were hugely successful films --
I'm not saying they weren't successful.
-- financially successful, loved by people, but considered maybe a bad movie.
Just tell me it's "Little Nicky" already.
No, we're not doing "Little Nicky.".
Tell me it's "Little Nicky" without telling me it's "Little Nicky.".
We did that in our "Hubie Halloween" season.
We are doing a non-Adam Sandler movie in the Happy Madison universe.
[Jeff sighs] You know, like, for example, like --
this isn't a movie that I'm gonna pick for this because I don't think it,
although I think it falls into the category, is "Grandma's Boy." Like,
"Grandma's Boy" was a,
was the kind of film that was made by the people who were integral to those --
I didn't see it, but I know what you're talking about, yeah.
-- early successes and, like, it has some great people, but --
Supposedly it's pretty.
Oh, it's hysterically funny. Like, it's a great, it's a great movie and it's --
Is it that? It's not that.
But we're not gonna do that one. But one of the --
but it was a breakout role for the actor Nick Swardson,
who later got to have his own, uh, Happy Madison movie. Now,
Nick Swardson you may know from "Reno 911" [Jeff sighs],
and you may know from his, uh, his show on comedy central --
Oh no, what are you doing, Gary?
-- he did a movie in 2011 --
Is he here? Why are you introducing him like he needs to be here.
Tell me what the movie --
I'm just giving you background.
Give me the movie title.
It's called "Bucky Larson: Born to Be a Star.".
Why? Why -- this movie?
Yeah!
Bucky Lars-- that. Ugh. Ugh.
Okay. Okay. I'm calling. Okay.
This is how it works. You got to pick your fuckin' worm movie,
I get to pick a movie now.
What? First of all, "fuckin' worm movie" is a little harsh. I think, honestly,
if it weren't for your, like, petty nonsense,
you actually would've liked that movie.
No, no. We are talking about --
No, no.
We are getting a sense of who has the better taste in good bad movies,
and I am here --
Don't forget that at the beginning of that podcast, Father says,
"I think I'm gonna have to watch all the rest of them.".
He was being kind. He's a kindly patriarchal figure.
That is ridiculous. Why -- on this podcast? For what reason?
I didn't get a sense of that. I think you're wrong.
Look,
he had to spend a little bit of time with you to know that you're full of it.
I think it's an interesting, fun, dumb film. Alright. "Bucky Larson:
Born to Be a Star.".
So, next time when we talk about that. My pick. My movie.
Your movie. You're doing -- Mm. M.
See you next time guys. dcast network.