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Ay, yo it's Father and you're listening
to the Cabbages hip-hop podcast.

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Let's go. [Music plays].

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Hello and welcome to the Cabbages hip-hop
podcast. I'm your host, Gary Suarez.

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I'm a music journalist and critic and I
write a twice-weekly hip-hop newsletter

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called Cabbages, which you can subscribe
to for free at cabbageshiphop.com.

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Joining me as always
is my hapless co-host,

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music industry insider Jeffery Laughlin.

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[Sighs] Hi Gary.

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Now, today marks the start of
season four of the podcast,

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and this one's gonna be
a little different. Jeff,

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do you wanna tell the folks over at
home what this season's all about?

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No.

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Wait, really?

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I don't.

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Like, I thought you were
excited for this one.

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This is what you wanted. This is
what you decided you wanted to do.

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We, we...in discussions we've had,

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I have become amenable to the situations

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that we shall unfurl.

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You-- no, you, you wanted to do
this. You were excited to do this.

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You were thrilled, at the
end of last season ---

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Excited, absolutely not a word.

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Hmm. Jeff and I are engaged
in Bad Movie Battle,

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discussing cinematic flops, cult
calamities, and all-around stinkers.

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Now we'll trade off picking our respective
disreputable films every episode,

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with great guests
joining us along the way,

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to pick who is the best at picking "good"

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bad movies. And so, to kick things off,
we'll be talking about "Tremors," the

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1990 horror comedy that
Entertainment Weekly said, quote,

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"actually improves on the B movies
that inspired it." Now, Jeff,

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isn't that exciting?

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We get to talk about the movie you've
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seasons.

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Okay. First and foremost,

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nothing delights me more than the fact
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have, I will...I will lay that out
as like a positive part of this.

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Hmm.

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But I also feel like I made
a strategic misstep in that I

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said the quiet part loud
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I gave you "Tremors" immediately, and
now it's gonna be a vengeance contest.

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Oh.

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That's where I'm at. I
think I screwed this up.

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Is that really how you think of me?

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I'm very mad about it.

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Is that what you think of me?

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Yes. A miserly Scrooge. Yes.

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Wow.

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[Laughs] Doddering fool put here
on this earth for my destruction.

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I see myself as more of a
Scrooge McDuck type. You know,

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in the reboots he's actually
quite, uh, favorably positioned.

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But that being said,
yes, each episode, uh,

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we are going to pick movies. Uh, you
got this one, you got "Tremors" --

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1990 Movie "Tremors.".

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Yes. And I will let you know at the
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watch next time, which seems fair to me.

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The tone of your voice, it just, it,

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it belies your nature. I'll
tell you that much right now.

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It belies your nature.

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Wow. Belies my nature.

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I just wanted to watch a fun
set of movies with my friend.

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And we're gonna do that now and
have a gentle competition over, uh,

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who is doing the best at it.

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[Sighs].

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We'll be right back. [Music interlude]

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I'm thrilled to introduce our guest for
today's show. Joining us now is Father.

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The rapper and hip-hop artist has brought
us such great projects as "Young Hot

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Ebony" "Who's Gonna Get Fucked First,"
and, more recently, "Come Outside,

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We Not Gone Jump You," available
wherever music is streamed or sold.

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He's going on tour this July, and you
can see the dates at thosewhotake.com.

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Hello, and welcome to the show.

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Hey, what's up? What's up. What's up?
That was a great intro. That was so nice.

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Oh, thank you. Thank you. You know,
we try to be professional here,

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in between --

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Gary. Gary tries to be professional.

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And then Jeff just rips on the bong.

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Yeah, I rip bong hits and then say
really dumb shit. It's awesome.

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No, it's perfect. It's a great balance.

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[Laughs].

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So before we get too deep into this,

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did you have any familiarity
with the Tremors movies at all?

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Nah, it, it came out, um, well,
the first one came out, like,

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eight months before I was born, so, I
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it was before where I got,
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it was probably already had
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I didn't know anything about
the fact that there was, like,

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fuckin' seven of them and all --

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-- until I looked up the first one, yeah.

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Okay, is this the part where I reveal,
uh, reveal something about my character?

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Oh, sure. Yes. Tell us
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I have seen all seven Tremors movies.

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Jesus Christ.

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I watched them with a
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you know, when the world shut down.

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Oh, okay, I was about to say --

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In the pandemic, I was like, he came
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"We're gonna watch a Tremors movie every
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"That sounds like an awful idea.
I'm a hundred percent in.".

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[Laughs].

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I do not want to think about anything,

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I just want this idiot
franchise to run over me.

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Of all the franchises.

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Mm hmm, I went with the Tremors one.

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Okay.

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It baffles me -- not that you would
choose to spend your time that way,

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because we know what
your time is worth, Jeff.

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Father might still be surprised.

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True.

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What surprised me about this film, as,

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as we agreed to do this and I
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was the critics at the time
kept likening it to sort of

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1950s B movies, the sort of
monster horror films at the time,

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and watching this film, I didn't get
any of that. I, I thought of this as,

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as a quintessentially '90s
nonsense experience. Uh,

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I didn't see it as kind of drawing onto
the sort of, kind of popcorn fare --

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But it, it came out in '90,

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so they wouldn't have known yet that
it was gonna be just '90s drivel.

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They invented this!

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Essentially.

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Yeah, no. Okay. So
this, this movie, to me,

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holds a lot of weight in the
making of really awful films later

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on. Like, you mentioned, and,

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and when we were just introducing
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you mentioned "Sharknado.".

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I don't think there is a world of
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universe.

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Facts.

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This, like, opened it up. And, like, the
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but it also didn't totally
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we can release this stuff
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and tons of, you know,
tons of, of, of ad money.

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Honestly, I didn't appreciate that
when I was younger, but, like, it's a,

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it's a great lane, I think.

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Yeah. I'm not saying it's like the first
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I just feel like this
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'We can make big gross monsters
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we can do that again.'.

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When you first told me to watch this,

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I actually thought...I thought
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but I think I was actually thinking about
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really remember. I don't remember
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but I was like, "Oh yeah, that's the --

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'Tremors' is the movie where they're in
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and they doing something, right?'.

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Kind of! [Laughs].

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There's just so many other
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It's a huge trope.

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What's the one with the...what's
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That's like a similar...isn't
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Absolutely.

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Desert, crazy, like, a bunch of
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I was like, when I first
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is that the one with the snakes? Is that
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Nope, it was the underground worms.

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The underground worms. Yes.

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The underground worms that --

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The doom bugs.

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-- that move on sound.

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The doom bugs.

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The part of this that I loved the
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have any desire to explain that, like,

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a scientist was in town just right
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monsters around.

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They were just like, "Oh, yeah,
you're from the university.".

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Out there studying.

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"Grab your equipment and jump in the
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there's a scientist, that's good.

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Studying the tremors.

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How fortuitous!

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Yeah, i's just serendipitous
right there. Honestly.

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[Laughs] This movie rips.

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But that's, that's perfect though. You
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you don't really need an explanation for
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were. Why are these...

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No!

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I was, I was...The entire time, I
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There's nothing around, why y'all living
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one of the guys later on, he
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I moved out here for the whole purpose
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So I was like, they're
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I'm assuming they a bunch criminals that
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like outlaws.

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I mean, yeah, like, let's face it,
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who's the one who says that -- he
plays, uh, Burt Gummer. Uh, quite the,

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quite the name. Burt Gummer is
clearly somebody who is, you know,

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kind of conspiratorial, probably
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probably a white supremacist or at
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if we can be perfectly honest about
what kind of person he is. And Jeff,

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no spoilers, I know you've
watched all the movies, but --

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I take a little offense to that because
it would imply that Reba MacIntyre would

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marry a supremacist.

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Well, she didn't do any of
the other sequels, right?

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There you go. [All laugh] Okay, so now --

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And, and I won't spoil anything
for the rest of the movies, but --

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Oh, thank God.

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-- Burt is in all of them.

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He is the sole character that makes
it from point A to point whatever

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the seventh letter is.

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Good lord.

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Yeah.

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Over how many years did this come out?

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Well, it stopped. They were all
straight-to-DVD after this one.

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And they stopped it.

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No, it's not straight-to-DVD, right?

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Cuz the timing...they've
gotta be straight-to-VHS
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right?

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Yeah.

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Sure. So they went straight-to-video

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format with the rest
of them until they have

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resurrected the whole thing
and put it on Netflix with,

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uh, the guy's name, Jon Heder, Header,
whatever the hell that guy's name is. Uh,

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he is the lead now.

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Why would he do that?

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You know, Netflix is just
throwing money at people.

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Napoleon Dynamite and --

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Napoleon Dynamite is the
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undergrounders. I won't give away any
more than that, cuz I want people to --

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If they want to take this
journey, they should.

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Yeah. If you have any interest in knowing
what Jamie Kennedy is doing now, uh,

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then you can do that.

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But I think the answer to that
question is a resounding no,

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for anybody with sense.

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I'm very curious.

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He just popped up and I was like, oh,
shit, this is gonna be awful. [Laughs].

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I wanna know! I wanna know why Jon Heder's
in it now. Now I feel like I need to,

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like, continue watching the next ones.

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Listen, Father, if you want, like,
get whatever info you need from me,

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we'll stay in touch. I would
love to hear your thoughts.

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After I've finished the entire --

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If you can do it. I didn't
want to finish it --

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You know what, man, I have --

235
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-- but I did.

236
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-- too much time on my
hands sometimes, so...

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Let's do it.

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I'm usually --

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I'll watch them again, I don't care.

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I'm just watching a kid most of the
time. So it's like, while he's screaming,

241
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I could be watching this bullshit.

242
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Mm hmm, mm hmmm.

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"Tremors 2: Aftershocks."
Alright, nice. Does the,

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does the story develop all the way up
to the end? Like, is it like, okay,

245
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now we're getting an idea where
these things come from, or...

246
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Do you want, like, a spoiler here
that that's like totally awesome?

247
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Uh, yeah. You know what?

248
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It might actually get me more
likely to continue watching.

249
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Don't worry about the fuckin'
plot. The monsters evolve.

250
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Okay.

251
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And they're cool as hell. They're
weird. They're -- it's a weird lineage,

252
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once you get deep into the, into the,

253
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the different kinds of Tremors there are.

254
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So what the fuck are these things?
Like, you said worms, I'm calling, like,

255
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I'm calling 'em sand worms, because
that's what they fuckin' are.

256
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Sure.

257
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They're sand worms.

258
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Sure.

259
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Yeah.

260
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It's like, they used the word graboid at
one point in the film, and I was like,

261
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no, that's, like,

262
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the stupidest name anyone could possibly
come up with for these creatures.

263
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Yeah, that was a terrible name.

264
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Then that's gonna be a bad thing
for the rest of the movies,

265
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cuz that's what they went with.

266
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It stuck? It stuck? Ugh.

267
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It stuck. That's the one that stuck.

268
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That was Kevin Bacon's character, right?

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Not mother humpers.

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I think the person who
came up with that one was,

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was Victor Wong was riffing on the day,
he was trying to come up with a thing.

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So, Victor Wong plays Walter Chang.

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Okay.

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Victor Wong is, like,

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you might have recognized him from "Big
Trouble in Little China" or "The Golden

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Child" with Eddie Murphy. Like,
he's done some amazing broad comedy.

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He is so underutilized in this movie,

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but he is the person who gets the
line about calling them graboids.

279
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Okay, underused, yes, but very important.

280
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He named these things for seven films.

281
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Yeah.

282
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He didn't know that.

283
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He didn't know he was gonna be the
person who named them for seven films.

284
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That's just the magic of Victor Wong.

285
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Kevin Bacon confirmed it, though.
Like, cause that's when I saw,

286
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I saw Kevin call them
that. Or Valentine, right?

287
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Yeah, Valentine.

288
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Valentine McKee. [Laughs].

289
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I heard, I caught, I caught when he
called them that and I was like, oh, okay,

290
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so that's, he just came up with
the name on the spot, okay.

291
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I didn't realize it came from, from homie.

292
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I called 'em sand worms. It's like,
they've got the snakes inside the mouths.

293
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Like, so are they snakes? Or
are they worms? Like what are,

294
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what are these things?

295
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Like, the fact that they live underground
moves them to worm category for me.

296
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Yeah.

297
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Father, what do you think?

298
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I think I, I, I agree with that.

299
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Yeah.

300
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I don't think they're snakes. I don't --

301
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they don't even seem like
they move like snakes either.

302
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It seems like they just kind of just
shoot straight. Also they have the little,

303
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they have the little tiny,

304
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the tiny little feelers on the
side that propel them forward,

305
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which is very wormlike.

306
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Centipede-ish.

307
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Centipede, yeah. Centipede-ish.

308
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It's an amalgamation of things:
There's centipede legs, snake

309
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innards, worm outards. It's
a, a hybrid of weird --

310
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And teeth.

311
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And teeth.

312
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Like a dinosaur.

313
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Crazy -- Yeah, dinosaur teeth. It's
tough to know exactly what they are,

314
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which to me, this movie
is specifically, like,

315
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the way that it's good is that the
monsters are interesting to me.

316
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But, I mean, you have the
benefit of having watched, like,

317
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six more movies after
this. For me, it's like,

318
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there's no explaining what these
things are, where they come from,

319
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what their powers are. Or like, I mean,
you get to some sense where you go,

320
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well, maybe they're
smarter than they let on.

321
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They are.

322
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And there's, like, that part
of it. But I'm like, okay --

323
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We know that they can study
situations and make adjustments,

324
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which is not something
monsters usually can do.

325
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Right.

326
00:15:06,020 --> 00:15:10,440
And that's, like, a massive humanlike
trait that humans always believe,

327
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in movies and otherwise, they
always believe that like, well,

328
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I can think my way out of this because
I'm smarter than the thing that I'm

329
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battling. But I don't think
that's true in this case.

330
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The limitations of the monster are
because of the, like the physical nature.

331
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It's a big behemoth.

332
00:15:26,150 --> 00:15:29,070
How did these giant fuckin' lumbering
sand worms stay hidden for so long?

333
00:15:29,071 --> 00:15:33,740
They're fucking huge, and it seems that
their diet is livestock and humans.

334
00:15:34,450 --> 00:15:38,180
Yeah. They never really, they, they didn't
get into, like, where they came from.

335
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They didn't have time.

336
00:15:39,940 --> 00:15:40,260
Yeah, they were in survival mode.

337
00:15:40,260 --> 00:15:42,540
Like, this focused on the
human -- yeah, exactly.

338
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This focused entirely on human
survival. Once they appeared.

339
00:15:45,930 --> 00:15:49,420
They only had one -- a, a student,
like, that's not really a proper...yeah.

340
00:15:50,770 --> 00:15:54,570
Yeah. So, the scientist was just,
like, you know, some guy's assistant,

341
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basically.

342
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Yeah.

343
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The most useful thing we got
from that whole science, uh,

344
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was that there were four of 'em.

345
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True. True.

346
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Pretty much from then on,
there was no more science.

347
00:16:05,410 --> 00:16:09,770
[Jeff & Father laugh] It was just like,
shit, they're here. It's happening now,

348
00:16:10,090 --> 00:16:10,923
guys.

349
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She exhausted her purpose
immediately. And then was just like --

350
00:16:14,860 --> 00:16:18,760
In fairness, she was a student,
right? She was not like, she was --

351
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She was not an expert.

352
00:16:19,940 --> 00:16:20,773
She was not a PhD. They'd sent her --

353
00:16:21,980 --> 00:16:24,400
She wasn't even there to
study that in the first place.

354
00:16:24,540 --> 00:16:26,360
No, she was just like,
why are there tremors?

355
00:16:26,670 --> 00:16:27,340
Yeah.

356
00:16:27,340 --> 00:16:29,720
Oh, I saw -- Oh, I saw a
monster. And that was, like,

357
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the end of her having
anything to do with anything.

358
00:16:33,330 --> 00:16:35,950
But nobody had died the entire time
before this movie started. Like --

359
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That's my thing! It's like, this is the
first time they appear? I mean, this is,

360
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I know this place is kind of deserted,
like this town is that, but come on.

361
00:16:42,750 --> 00:16:44,430
It's addressed later, but...

362
00:16:45,150 --> 00:16:46,710
They were speculating at one point,
cause, like, they were like, oh,

363
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I think one of them was like, oh
this is, uh, it might be alien.

364
00:16:50,150 --> 00:16:53,220
I think it's alien. And it's like, ah,
okay, that'd make more sense. You know,

365
00:16:53,221 --> 00:16:56,980
maybe it, it just recently happened.
Like, they landed and then they maybe,

366
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maybe they kind of grew the size. And
then they awoke finally on that day,

367
00:17:01,860 --> 00:17:02,693
I don't know. Maybe because --

368
00:17:02,740 --> 00:17:04,820
This is, this is the fault
of the screenwriters.

369
00:17:04,821 --> 00:17:06,700
The screenwriters are supposed
to explain stuff like this.

370
00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:07,940
So in a movie like this --

371
00:17:08,100 --> 00:17:08,100
Well, I don't know, man --

372
00:17:08,100 --> 00:17:11,300
No, no listen, listen -- in a movie
like this -- No, in a movie like this,

373
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with competent screenwriters --

374
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Don't you "no" me, you're not my dad.

375
00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,770
-- they explain -- I am
your dad. They explain --

376
00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:19,010
[All laugh] There's already a father here!

377
00:17:19,890 --> 00:17:22,290
That's an excellent point. Your two dads.

378
00:17:24,110 --> 00:17:26,490
I'm clearly Paul Reiser in
the Your Two Dads situation.

379
00:17:27,050 --> 00:17:29,530
Can you label -- can you title
the episode "My Two Dads"?

380
00:17:30,250 --> 00:17:30,610
My two dads.

381
00:17:30,610 --> 00:17:33,490
It might have to be that way.
But, no, a competent writer --

382
00:17:33,491 --> 00:17:36,440
and there were two writers on this,
which makes it especially egregious,

383
00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:38,680
'cause they would explain
something. They'd say, like,

384
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there's been drilling in the area or
there's something that might have awoken

385
00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,200
a beast. Every Godzilla movie
kind of explains, like --

386
00:17:46,201 --> 00:17:49,360
something specific happens,
but they spell it out for you.

387
00:17:49,361 --> 00:17:53,200
They tell you it to make it clear to
the audience. And what I go is like,

388
00:17:53,201 --> 00:17:54,720
what we're doing here is speculating.

389
00:17:54,721 --> 00:17:55,920
There was, there was drilling, though --

390
00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:56,634
But they don't explain --

391
00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:58,433
-- but that was just roadwork,
so I don't think that counts.

392
00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:00,680
Yeah, drilling on the road. They
don't explain, like, if it was, like,

393
00:18:00,780 --> 00:18:02,800
oil wells out there or there was, like,

394
00:18:02,801 --> 00:18:06,080
they were going for shale or
natural gas or whatever the fuck --

395
00:18:06,081 --> 00:18:09,990
there was something like that where they
messed with the environment and drew

396
00:18:09,991 --> 00:18:10,311
them up.

397
00:18:10,311 --> 00:18:11,110
Totally.

398
00:18:11,110 --> 00:18:13,030
Because these things are drawn by sound.

399
00:18:13,100 --> 00:18:15,110
They had to be eating
something all of this time.

400
00:18:15,111 --> 00:18:17,110
Well, not sound but vibrations.

401
00:18:17,380 --> 00:18:19,990
Fine, vibrations. They had to be
eating something all this time.

402
00:18:20,510 --> 00:18:22,430
And suddenly now they get up
and they're fuckin' hungry.

403
00:18:22,990 --> 00:18:23,830
Where were they at again?

404
00:18:24,570 --> 00:18:26,910
Nevada. Perfection, Nevada.

405
00:18:27,650 --> 00:18:29,420
Oh, well, okay. That
makes even less sense now.

406
00:18:30,260 --> 00:18:32,660
I know too much to be involved in
this conversation, unfortunately.

407
00:18:33,060 --> 00:18:34,900
Ah, see, yeah! See, I feel
like they explained it --

408
00:18:35,460 --> 00:18:36,620
they explain it more in
the next one, don't they?

409
00:18:36,650 --> 00:18:39,260
Yeah, if you have six more
movies to explain the story,

410
00:18:39,261 --> 00:18:41,820
you can explain the fuckin'
story, but they had 95 minutes.

411
00:18:41,890 --> 00:18:42,181
Well,

412
00:18:42,181 --> 00:18:45,420
maybe then you should watch the other
six movies if you're so fuckin' curious.

413
00:18:45,900 --> 00:18:48,020
This movie obviously made you curious.

414
00:18:49,650 --> 00:18:51,530
[Laughs] I am very curious where they
came -- cause I'm like, in my head,

415
00:18:51,550 --> 00:18:56,370
I'm like, oh, maybe...I'm
thinking, right, space or ocean,

416
00:18:58,140 --> 00:18:59,760
buried in... I don't
know. I, I don't know.

417
00:18:59,860 --> 00:19:00,693
I'm not gonna tell you.

418
00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:02,960
I don't want you to. I
don't want you talking --

419
00:19:03,100 --> 00:19:06,800
But I think that this movie was
very, very careful just to, like,

420
00:19:06,870 --> 00:19:10,280
kind of avoid that. Now
you can call it a lazy --

421
00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,030
But they might have said --

422
00:19:12,030 --> 00:19:16,870
Hold on. I let you speak for,
like, four hours. [Laughs] No, he,

423
00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,590
every time there's a scene
where they start to, sort of,

424
00:19:20,690 --> 00:19:23,470
ramble about what these things
are or what the next move is,

425
00:19:23,530 --> 00:19:27,160
there's another emergency. Like, oh, shit,

426
00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:31,400
they learned that if you just circle
things, they, like, become unstable.

427
00:19:32,090 --> 00:19:33,190
You know what I mean? Like,

428
00:19:33,191 --> 00:19:36,390
every time they got into a
conversation about what they could do,

429
00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:38,790
these things were like,
well, we can't have that.

430
00:19:39,140 --> 00:19:41,190
There's nothing about
this film that is careful.

431
00:19:41,430 --> 00:19:42,263
I want to definitely go in there.

432
00:19:42,830 --> 00:19:43,630
Mmmmm.

433
00:19:43,630 --> 00:19:45,790
I don't think that's true. I
don't think that's true. I mean --

434
00:19:46,210 --> 00:19:50,390
It might be a little -- sounds like a
little, sounds, like, very sentient, like,

435
00:19:50,660 --> 00:19:55,180
manmade type of situation going on
here then. But I'ma stop speculating.

436
00:19:55,380 --> 00:19:57,980
I think it's more -- well, no, totally,
you can speculate all you want, man,

437
00:19:58,580 --> 00:20:01,340
it's super fun. It's like the
only fun part of these movies.

438
00:20:01,980 --> 00:20:02,700
Correct.

439
00:20:02,700 --> 00:20:04,980
Especially, especially since it's
like, it's literally sequels and I,

440
00:20:05,501 --> 00:20:06,334
I'm oblivious.

441
00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:10,340
I'm not saying the movie's good when I
say that they were careful about this. I,

442
00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:11,020
you know,

443
00:20:11,020 --> 00:20:14,490
I think they just kind of wrote around
the things they didn't know how to do.

444
00:20:15,610 --> 00:20:19,130
They were just a couple of Navy dudes
that wrote a film with their friend from

445
00:20:19,290 --> 00:20:20,123
National Geographic.

446
00:20:20,430 --> 00:20:22,330
But -- okay, so, first of all, this is --

447
00:20:22,770 --> 00:20:23,370
You know what I mean?

448
00:20:23,370 --> 00:20:26,370
I know what you're speaking to,
you're speaking to the idea, like,

449
00:20:26,490 --> 00:20:28,490
the originally came up with
the idea for this movie --

450
00:20:28,490 --> 00:20:29,280
Write what you know!

451
00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:33,170
-- when they were working for the Navy
making safety videos and they speculated,

452
00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:35,200
while they were standing on a rock,

453
00:20:35,270 --> 00:20:40,000
what would happen if something was down
there to keep us from getting off this

454
00:20:40,001 --> 00:20:41,680
rock, how would we get around it?

455
00:20:41,940 --> 00:20:44,080
And that is how they developed
the idea for this back in, like,

456
00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,680
I think sometime in the early
'80s is the story, you know?

457
00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:46,801
Yeah.

458
00:20:46,801 --> 00:20:49,760
But, like, they -- basically, what they
came up with in terms of this creature,

459
00:20:50,601 --> 00:20:51,434
these creatures,

460
00:20:51,860 --> 00:20:54,600
is they just basically ripped off things
that existed in the world already.

461
00:20:54,890 --> 00:20:58,560
Frank Herbert's "Dune" sandworm
obviously being the most iconic of all

462
00:20:58,561 --> 00:21:02,880
sandworms, and then, quite blatantly,
Tim Burton's "Beetlejuice" sandworms.

463
00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,760
Cause if you remember "Beetlejuice" --

464
00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:05,593
Ah, yeah.

465
00:21:07,030 --> 00:21:11,070
1988. Had a sandworm with another
sandworm inside its mouth.

466
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:12,050
Right.

467
00:21:12,050 --> 00:21:14,190
So they said, "Okay,
we'll do the same thing,

468
00:21:14,210 --> 00:21:17,870
but we'll make more of them inside
the mouth." That's, I think,

469
00:21:17,991 --> 00:21:20,110
as much thought as went into
what these creatures are.

470
00:21:21,430 --> 00:21:22,430
100%. And I think that, like,

471
00:21:23,130 --> 00:21:26,710
if they're smart enough to know that
they can't write a fuckin' origin story,

472
00:21:27,130 --> 00:21:30,220
then leave it out. It's an
entertaining, stupid film.

473
00:21:30,420 --> 00:21:32,780
I don't need to know
everything of what happened.

474
00:21:33,290 --> 00:21:33,900
True.

475
00:21:33,900 --> 00:21:36,380
There are these things here,
how are we gonna get outta here?

476
00:21:37,220 --> 00:21:39,060
It makes for good speculation
later on, after the fact.

477
00:21:39,580 --> 00:21:42,860
Yeah. It's like, you get to be
the imaginative one in this case.

478
00:21:42,861 --> 00:21:44,380
It opens up a sequel, you know.

479
00:21:44,970 --> 00:21:49,410
They were definitely cognizant of
sequels, because prior to "Tremors," uh,

480
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:52,050
do you know what film franchise
they were responsible for writing?

481
00:21:52,860 --> 00:21:53,930
"Short Circuit.".

482
00:21:54,420 --> 00:21:55,253
"Short Circuit" [Laughs].

483
00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:59,570
Do you remember "Short
Circuit"? Johnny five the robot?

484
00:22:01,350 --> 00:22:06,050
Is that the, the, the little freaky robot?
Oh, this man! Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

485
00:22:06,210 --> 00:22:06,980
yeah. Yeah.

486
00:22:06,980 --> 00:22:09,080
So Steve Gutenberg star in the
original, with Ally Sheedy, um,

487
00:22:10,450 --> 00:22:15,360
about a robot who is a military
weapon that, uh, somehow,

488
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:20,280
uh, gains sentience and human
feelings and believes it is alive.

489
00:22:21,140 --> 00:22:24,760
And it makes for, uh,
wacky good times. Um,

490
00:22:25,380 --> 00:22:27,400
it also did really well at the box office,

491
00:22:27,500 --> 00:22:32,430
to justify a sequel that includes neither
Steve Gutenberg nor Ally Sheedy --

492
00:22:32,540 --> 00:22:36,910
only includes a brownface
performance by Fisher Stevens,

493
00:22:37,210 --> 00:22:40,950
and Michael McKean from "Spinal
Tap" is in there as well. But, like,

494
00:22:40,951 --> 00:22:42,390
they did that. But I wanna start --

495
00:22:42,750 --> 00:22:43,583
Wait, McKean was in brownface as well?

496
00:22:43,670 --> 00:22:45,270
This movie poster looks so ridiculous.

497
00:22:45,750 --> 00:22:47,830
If you've never seen these
movies, they are mess.

498
00:22:47,850 --> 00:22:50,580
But "Short Circuit 2" is an
absolute disaster of a film.

499
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:51,740
It really is a disaster.

500
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:56,260
But when I was a kid in the '80s
watching things on basic cable, like,

501
00:22:56,261 --> 00:22:57,780
these movies were amazing to me.

502
00:22:58,240 --> 00:22:58,861
Always on.

503
00:22:58,861 --> 00:22:59,140
Yeah.

504
00:22:59,140 --> 00:23:01,420
But I just want you to understand the
judgment calls that these guys made.

505
00:23:01,421 --> 00:23:03,380
So they made those, those
two movies. You know,

506
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,860
the first one certainly was a
success, the second one, I think,

507
00:23:06,020 --> 00:23:08,420
probably less so, but you know --
think about the movies they made,

508
00:23:08,421 --> 00:23:11,930
they wrote after "Tremors." These are
two of the films that they wrote after

509
00:23:11,931 --> 00:23:15,210
"Tremors," and this is why I don't
believe "careful" has anything to do with

510
00:23:15,211 --> 00:23:18,890
what these two fuckers, S.S. Wilson
and Brent Maddock, done. Okay.

511
00:23:19,290 --> 00:23:19,620
Okay.

512
00:23:19,620 --> 00:23:23,490
After "Tremors," two of the movies
they made in the '90s, as writers.

513
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:25,033
Okay.

514
00:23:25,220 --> 00:23:29,890
"Ghost Dad" and "Wild Wild West.".

515
00:23:30,390 --> 00:23:31,020
What?

516
00:23:31,020 --> 00:23:34,720
You know what, they're good at?
They're good at, like, they,

517
00:23:34,750 --> 00:23:37,920
they made movies that were,
like, oddly watchable though.

518
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,050
Have you seen "Ghost Dad"?

519
00:23:41,540 --> 00:23:42,373
Oh, okay.

520
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,840
He goes through the phone and
yells at someone! It's crazy.

521
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,680
Oh, I don't know if I've ever -- it's
one of those things where it's like,

522
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,200
cuz you know, like I'm I was, you know,

523
00:23:53,230 --> 00:23:55,920
it's another movie that came
out the year. It's 6%. God damn.

524
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:57,993
Yeah.

525
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:00,680
Oh, it's rough, man. It's
horrible. It's rough.

526
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:02,520
It's an impossible watch.

527
00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:06,110
It's one of those movies that I feel
like I might have seen because I do

528
00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:09,350
remember this movie, but I
can't recall anything of it.

529
00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:10,263
I feel like I probably watched --

530
00:24:10,270 --> 00:24:14,470
At the time that that thing came out, I
don't know that there was an amount of,

531
00:24:14,790 --> 00:24:18,110
of wrong Bill Cosby could do in the
general universe -- obviously, off-camera,

532
00:24:21,330 --> 00:24:22,670
not the case, but on-camera, like,

533
00:24:23,671 --> 00:24:28,100
people absolutely loved this
human being and he could not,

534
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,660
by any stretch of the imagination,
make this a movie. It was just awful.

535
00:24:32,970 --> 00:24:34,700
Yeah. And it's like,
between -- he did two,

536
00:24:34,701 --> 00:24:35,900
there were two movies he did in that,

537
00:24:35,901 --> 00:24:38,300
in that period that are
both absolute stinkers.

538
00:24:38,301 --> 00:24:41,420
There's "Ghost Dad" and
"Leonard Part 6." Um.

539
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:42,660
Oh man, what a piece of shit.

540
00:24:43,100 --> 00:24:44,780
Hold up. Wait, wait,
wait, what, what a, you,

541
00:24:45,020 --> 00:24:48,810
you just grazed over "Wild Wild West,"
though. Why was that so... I mean,

542
00:24:48,890 --> 00:24:49,730
I love that movie. That shit's --

543
00:24:50,410 --> 00:24:52,490
Well, "Wild Wild West" is one
of, like, the biggest, like,

544
00:24:52,491 --> 00:24:54,730
Hollywood flops of all time. Like
one of the biggest disasters --

545
00:24:54,730 --> 00:24:58,250
Conceptually -- conceptually,
it was fuckin' ridiculous to me.

546
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,730
Yeah. I mean, I'm,

547
00:25:00,750 --> 00:25:03,570
I'm gonna paraphrase a story
that I heard years and years ago,

548
00:25:03,630 --> 00:25:08,200
but the reason why "Wild Wild
West" got made is because, like,

549
00:25:08,460 --> 00:25:12,080
one of the studio people, producers
behind it -- I forget which one it was --

550
00:25:12,540 --> 00:25:14,720
had this idea in his head for,

551
00:25:15,060 --> 00:25:19,800
for a battle scene with a giant
mechanical spider and kept pitching it

552
00:25:20,020 --> 00:25:23,760
to every single, like, director
to fit into movies. So, like,

553
00:25:23,761 --> 00:25:26,440
they wanted Superman to fight
a giant mechanical spider.

554
00:25:26,670 --> 00:25:29,470
I think Kevin Smith talked about this.
They pitched him on something with that,

555
00:25:29,471 --> 00:25:32,710
too, or somebody told him about that,
and it was this thing. And, finally,

556
00:25:32,980 --> 00:25:36,630
some people agreed to make a movie
with a giant mechanical spider and they

557
00:25:36,631 --> 00:25:38,590
greenlit it and it's "Wild Wild West.".

558
00:25:39,090 --> 00:25:42,230
So every other idea for that
movie just surrounds that?

559
00:25:42,460 --> 00:25:46,230
It's because they have, they had to
make the spider. So everything else,

560
00:25:46,260 --> 00:25:50,380
that whole steampunk nonsense, comes
because they had to find a way to,

561
00:25:50,380 --> 00:25:52,940
to fuckin', you know, shoehorn in --

562
00:25:53,420 --> 00:25:54,900
Explain the spider. Yeah.

563
00:25:55,180 --> 00:25:55,900
Yeah, exactly.

564
00:25:55,900 --> 00:25:56,381
The retro-- the retro-- damn.

565
00:25:56,381 --> 00:25:58,940
Yeah. That's what it is.

566
00:25:58,980 --> 00:26:03,440
Cause I was, it was so much shit that I
was like, one: why do they have, like,

567
00:26:03,441 --> 00:26:07,990
you know, why do they have this tech
already? So like, you know, the, the, the,

568
00:26:08,010 --> 00:26:10,670
the blade that finds the,
the, the thing on your neck,

569
00:26:10,690 --> 00:26:14,670
the "Saw"-type shit they were doing,
too? When I was younger, I was like,

570
00:26:14,671 --> 00:26:15,910
this is so fire.

571
00:26:16,550 --> 00:26:17,383
I didn't see this.

572
00:26:18,110 --> 00:26:19,270
You never saw "Wild Wild West"?

573
00:26:19,550 --> 00:26:20,790
I didn't see. I didn't catch that one.

574
00:26:20,790 --> 00:26:22,390
Oh, you haven't, Jeff? Okay. Good to know.

575
00:26:22,391 --> 00:26:26,230
I used to watch that shit repeatedly
when I was younger. That was,

576
00:26:26,231 --> 00:26:26,950
that was one of the ones --

577
00:26:26,950 --> 00:26:29,460
I think that was like, you were the
perfect age to get caught there.

578
00:26:29,460 --> 00:26:31,860
Yeah. Yeah. That was '99. I was, I was --

579
00:26:31,860 --> 00:26:32,330
Yeah.

580
00:26:32,330 --> 00:26:36,340
Yeah. That was like my, you know,
that was two, you know, Y2K.

581
00:26:36,341 --> 00:26:38,700
Like that was my prime time.
That's when I, you know, I'm,

582
00:26:38,701 --> 00:26:41,580
I'm on the internet and shit, like,
I'm finding out about, you know,

583
00:26:41,581 --> 00:26:45,280
I'm on the computer going on message
boards and role playing Dragon Ball Z and

584
00:26:45,281 --> 00:26:47,760
all kinds of weird shit, talking
to 30-year-olds as a 10-year-old.

585
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:53,360
I was in, you know, maybe first, second
year of college. And it was just like,

586
00:26:53,860 --> 00:26:57,320
you know, that's, like, prime
'I'm better than everything' mode.

587
00:26:57,710 --> 00:26:59,520
Exactly. Yeah. No, that was a --

588
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,320
I'm out here like, "Ugh,
that movie looks terrible.

589
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,470
I only watch good movies."
Like that matters. [Laughs].

590
00:27:03,940 --> 00:27:07,270
Yeah. Then it was like, you
know, it was Will. You know?

591
00:27:07,700 --> 00:27:08,330
Yeah.

592
00:27:08,330 --> 00:27:09,310
And we all love Will.

593
00:27:09,820 --> 00:27:11,870
Yeah. And that's back when
Will could do no wrong.

594
00:27:13,570 --> 00:27:15,590
You went to go see what he did.
The thing is just that movie --

595
00:27:15,591 --> 00:27:19,390
I think the failure of that movie has
less, it's not about Will, obviously,

596
00:27:19,391 --> 00:27:22,510
the failure of that movie is about
its conception being so poor,

597
00:27:23,050 --> 00:27:25,980
its budget being
astronomical, and, ultimately,

598
00:27:26,090 --> 00:27:30,060
just not being the thing
that people really wanted to
see at the end of the day.

599
00:27:30,300 --> 00:27:30,410
Yeah.

600
00:27:30,410 --> 00:27:32,860
Like, I mean that's, if you're, I
mean, I don't have the full timeline,

601
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,660
but like, you know, we're talking
about the late '90s? 1999?

602
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:37,860
That's "The Matrix.".

603
00:27:39,420 --> 00:27:40,253
Is "Tremors" better or worse?

604
00:27:40,740 --> 00:27:44,130
Yeah. It was a quintessential,
like, late '90s blockbuster. It was,

605
00:27:44,131 --> 00:27:48,170
everything about it was very much
how movies were made at that time.

606
00:27:48,390 --> 00:27:50,130
And I will say, to answer
your question, Jeff,

607
00:27:50,510 --> 00:27:53,370
the music in "Wild Wild West" is
better than the music in "Tremors.".

608
00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:57,770
Well, that's -- okay, fine. But, like,
why don't you answer the real question?

609
00:27:58,870 --> 00:28:00,690
We can discuss it when, uh,

610
00:28:00,691 --> 00:28:05,000
when I make you watch "Wild Wild West"
at some point. If I choose to do so.

611
00:28:05,410 --> 00:28:06,243
Y'all gotta do "Wild Wild West.".

612
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:07,593
I don't like this.

613
00:28:08,590 --> 00:28:09,423
He's gonna like it.

614
00:28:09,780 --> 00:28:13,320
The agreement for this
season is that we pick good

615
00:28:14,650 --> 00:28:18,390
bad movies. You know what I mean?
Like bad movies that are, like,

616
00:28:18,590 --> 00:28:22,990
inherently watchable and fun, instead
of just, like, absolute dreck.

617
00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:28,810
And I thought, I thought "Tremors"
was a really good version of that.

618
00:28:29,930 --> 00:28:30,763
It's not a good movie.

619
00:28:31,340 --> 00:28:32,500
Mmm, it's questionable.

620
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,260
But it was, it's super fun to
watch, it has a lot of, like, weird,

621
00:28:36,261 --> 00:28:37,380
unanswered questions --

622
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,660
That's fun to you. Weird,
unanswered questions. So plot holes.

623
00:28:40,660 --> 00:28:41,493
Plot holes are fun to you.

624
00:28:42,260 --> 00:28:43,020
Yeah, for a bad movie though.

625
00:28:43,020 --> 00:28:43,853
I wanted more --

626
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,290
You're making it sound like
we were supposed to pick,
like, cinematic classics.

627
00:28:48,550 --> 00:28:52,930
We were supposed to pick bad movies
that were inherently watchable.

628
00:28:53,410 --> 00:28:55,810
I wanted more, more murder, honestly.

629
00:28:55,970 --> 00:28:56,690
Yeah.

630
00:28:56,690 --> 00:28:58,730
There could have been a lot more killing.
Could have been a lot more killing.

631
00:28:58,731 --> 00:29:01,330
You guys didn't think it
was, like, a really weird,

632
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,610
cool kill when that car got buried?

633
00:29:03,970 --> 00:29:05,530
Oh, right, there you go,
see? I was about to say that!

634
00:29:05,531 --> 00:29:05,970
That was sick.

635
00:29:05,970 --> 00:29:08,480
I was about to say, that was the
sickest part of the entire movie.

636
00:29:08,481 --> 00:29:09,100
Totally, dude, what a scene.

637
00:29:09,100 --> 00:29:10,560
And that was fuckin' halfway through!

638
00:29:11,070 --> 00:29:11,903
What a scene.

639
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,000
They should have, I don't know,
not saved that, but that was, like,

640
00:29:16,020 --> 00:29:20,320
the coolest kill, like, because they
didn't show it. It's like, oh man,

641
00:29:20,370 --> 00:29:24,040
she's in a, like, she's in a sand
trap. Like, that's like a sand coffin.

642
00:29:24,041 --> 00:29:24,350
She's fuckin' --

643
00:29:24,350 --> 00:29:25,320
That is terrifying.

644
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:26,440
That's horrible. She's probably --

645
00:29:27,210 --> 00:29:31,470
Terrifying, and then whatever's
underneath the sand just ate her 35-year

646
00:29:31,860 --> 00:29:32,693
husband.

647
00:29:32,810 --> 00:29:34,070
But the thing is like, she might,

648
00:29:34,170 --> 00:29:36,390
she might not even have
fuckin' died from them.

649
00:29:36,460 --> 00:29:37,590
They probably didn't even eat her.

650
00:29:37,591 --> 00:29:39,350
They just pulled her down
for no fuckin' reason!

651
00:29:39,670 --> 00:29:39,670
It's possible.

652
00:29:39,670 --> 00:29:42,800
Cause all the, like, they might
not have even gone in there. Yeah.

653
00:29:42,801 --> 00:29:45,000
They might have just murdered her
and now she's just trapped in sand,

654
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,360
suffocating and dying. It was horrible.
Then them finding it and them, them,

655
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,320
them like wiping off the car
grille? I was like, oh yeah, yeah.

656
00:29:52,321 --> 00:29:53,200
That's a great setup.

657
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,520
It's an absolutely
fantastic, like, few minutes.

658
00:29:57,790 --> 00:29:59,330
Yeah. More of those.

659
00:29:59,690 --> 00:30:01,920
There are stretches of this,
this movie that I like.

660
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,680
I really like the way that they
discovered the, the drunk guy,

661
00:30:06,170 --> 00:30:08,920
where he climbed up the thing and,
like, gave this little, like --

662
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:09,430
Yeah.

663
00:30:09,430 --> 00:30:10,440
-- talking to myself,

664
00:30:10,441 --> 00:30:15,440
little kind of mini soliloquy about
this guy's problems with alcohol and,

665
00:30:15,441 --> 00:30:18,440
like, cursing under his breath. And then
he goes again and he's dead, you know?

666
00:30:18,750 --> 00:30:19,583
Yeah.

667
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,550
I thought that whole thing was well done.

668
00:30:22,110 --> 00:30:23,070
I still wanted -- I want
more gore, a little bit.

669
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:25,910
The lead into the movie was
good, and then it, like,

670
00:30:25,980 --> 00:30:29,510
becomes a survivalist tale and we just
get too much of, like, four people.

671
00:30:29,980 --> 00:30:34,670
Both of those are -- the car kill
is...obviously, it's amazing. That,

672
00:30:34,670 --> 00:30:35,020
that I have to give credit to.

673
00:30:35,020 --> 00:30:36,110
It's a classic kill, too.

674
00:30:36,510 --> 00:30:38,390
It's one of those things that
you talk about. And then, like,

675
00:30:38,430 --> 00:30:41,430
I think the way they find the first
body is definitely worthwhile.

676
00:30:41,540 --> 00:30:45,620
But I think what happens is that most
of the actual kills in the film are with

677
00:30:45,621 --> 00:30:48,860
characters we've never met or
have very little experience with.

678
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,740
So there's no stakes.
There's nothing that matters.

679
00:30:50,980 --> 00:30:51,440
That makes perfect sense.

680
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,820
You get away with it for the
first one. You get away with it.

681
00:30:53,821 --> 00:30:55,420
It's about the mystery, the surprise.

682
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,980
Why would someone starve to death or
dehydrate or what have you up in a tower

683
00:30:59,981 --> 00:31:01,140
when they could easily come down?

684
00:31:01,540 --> 00:31:02,050
Yeah.

685
00:31:02,050 --> 00:31:05,090
The progression from, like,
didn't get eaten to, like,

686
00:31:05,860 --> 00:31:07,410
fully got eaten to, like,

687
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,290
swallowed in a car is crazy and cool.

688
00:31:11,630 --> 00:31:12,570
But swallowed in a car --

689
00:31:12,570 --> 00:31:13,890
The beginning of the film is good.

690
00:31:13,890 --> 00:31:14,444
They should have --

691
00:31:14,850 --> 00:31:18,450
But swallowed in a car should
have happened to characters
that we'd met and had

692
00:31:18,450 --> 00:31:18,451
faith in.

693
00:31:18,451 --> 00:31:19,284
Totally.

694
00:31:19,850 --> 00:31:21,650
Yeah, cause I'd have been, you
know, I'd have been more, like,

695
00:31:21,651 --> 00:31:23,320
distraught about them dying.

696
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,760
I feel bad about the, you know, a
couple that's been together for decades,

697
00:31:26,940 --> 00:31:28,320
you know, dying in that
way. That's unfortunate.

698
00:31:28,321 --> 00:31:30,960
But we didn't have any
experience with those people.

699
00:31:31,340 --> 00:31:34,040
We didn't really know what
was going on. In the same way,

700
00:31:34,041 --> 00:31:38,040
they threw stakes at us just by tugging
on heartstrings. There was, like,

701
00:31:38,041 --> 00:31:39,560
the little girl from "Jurassic Park." Yes,

702
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,880
that's the little girl
from "Jurassic Park.".

703
00:31:42,570 --> 00:31:43,170
Right.

704
00:31:43,170 --> 00:31:44,350
Who has, like, zero lines.

705
00:31:44,450 --> 00:31:47,670
She just Pogos around on her Pogo
stick with her headphones on --

706
00:31:47,770 --> 00:31:48,870
She should have gotten eaten.

707
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,190
There should have been a
threat, a real threat to her.

708
00:31:51,910 --> 00:31:52,100
Yeah.

709
00:31:52,100 --> 00:31:52,990
More so than what happened.

710
00:31:53,710 --> 00:31:55,790
Like I knew, I knew they
were not gonna kill her,

711
00:31:55,890 --> 00:31:58,470
but they should have done that. Cuz
that would've took me by surprise.

712
00:31:58,530 --> 00:32:01,590
I'd have been like, oh, fuck! They
really bit that little girl's legs off.

713
00:32:01,740 --> 00:32:03,390
They should have done that.
They should have committed.

714
00:32:03,690 --> 00:32:05,140
They had the ability to do that.

715
00:32:05,330 --> 00:32:07,260
Yeah. They could have been like,
he didn't make it in time. Like,

716
00:32:07,261 --> 00:32:10,540
he grabbed her at the perfect time and
it ate the Pogo stick. I was like, nah,

717
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,460
man, let that motherfucker
eat that little girl.

718
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:18,060
And then also that little asshole that
kept going "eyyy," you know, like,

719
00:32:18,580 --> 00:32:19,320
like scaring the fuck outta them?

720
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,220
Oh, he youths deserved to die.

721
00:32:21,580 --> 00:32:22,413
From "Can't Hardly Wait.".

722
00:32:22,450 --> 00:32:23,420
They should have gone first.

723
00:32:23,820 --> 00:32:24,850
Fuck him up too.

724
00:32:25,010 --> 00:32:26,170
I'm totally in agreeance with you guys.

725
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,370
"Jurassic Park," you can't kill the kids,

726
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:33,850
but they put those kids in serious peril
in "Jurassic Park" enough times that,

727
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,890
like, you go, like, oh wow. So when
I saw this little girl in this movie,

728
00:32:37,950 --> 00:32:41,720
at first I thought like, oh, shit,
they're gonna play up this kid in danger.

729
00:32:42,350 --> 00:32:44,960
Like, this is gonna be the thing, this
kid's gonna be in danger. And they, like,

730
00:32:44,961 --> 00:32:49,320
played it for one joke about her
Pogo-ing with a sandworm coming

731
00:32:49,761 --> 00:32:50,800
towards her. That's it?

732
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,280
They should, they should have stuck
her ass out in the desert for, like,

733
00:32:55,020 --> 00:32:58,830
you know, like the hour by herself, like
where she was just like, "Oh, my God,

734
00:32:58,830 --> 00:33:00,630
I'm not gonna make it!" And
then she just, I don't know,

735
00:33:00,980 --> 00:33:04,310
some childlike survival instinct come in
and then somebody eventually save her.

736
00:33:04,330 --> 00:33:09,190
But yeah, nah, nah, the quick -- that
was too short. It was too short. Like,

737
00:33:09,390 --> 00:33:10,223
"oh, where's little --

738
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:13,950
In my notes, in all caps, I wrote --

739
00:33:13,950 --> 00:33:15,230
I don't know why I thought
this was so important, but --

740
00:33:15,230 --> 00:33:17,590
"He didn't like the Pogo stick!".

741
00:33:20,380 --> 00:33:22,660
That was, that's a good one-liner.
That's a good one-liner.

742
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:23,993
That's good. [Music plays].

743
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:30,540
We have to talk about Reba, right?

744
00:33:31,660 --> 00:33:32,700
I would love to talk about Reba.

745
00:33:32,820 --> 00:33:37,740
This was Reba's first acting role in a

746
00:33:37,860 --> 00:33:38,140
movie.

747
00:33:38,140 --> 00:33:38,973
Dead ass?

748
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:40,310
Facts.

749
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:41,143
That's crazy.

750
00:33:41,150 --> 00:33:41,983
And she nailed it.

751
00:33:42,510 --> 00:33:43,970
Who the hell let her do this?

752
00:33:44,550 --> 00:33:45,383
Oh man.

753
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:46,970
It's the first role. So, you know --

754
00:33:48,530 --> 00:33:48,530
Yeah, you gotta get in somewhere.

755
00:33:48,530 --> 00:33:50,210
She probably did it. She
probably let herself do it.

756
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,730
But Reba was a fuckin' star
at this point. So, like,

757
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,370
this movie comes out in 1990.

758
00:33:56,570 --> 00:34:00,560
I think "Fancy" came out
in '88 or '89. "Fancy"!

759
00:34:01,390 --> 00:34:02,190
Yeah.

760
00:34:02,190 --> 00:34:06,280
Like, like, a song that
to this day is iconic.

761
00:34:07,860 --> 00:34:12,700
But "Fancy" comes out and she's like,
"Now I'm gonna do the sandworm movie.

762
00:34:13,240 --> 00:34:14,300
That's my next move.".

763
00:34:15,370 --> 00:34:16,203
Yeah.

764
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:21,250
And her role is bizarre because
she's kind of playing second

765
00:34:21,251 --> 00:34:22,570
fiddle to Michael Gross,

766
00:34:22,570 --> 00:34:27,570
who has gone from spending the
past seven, eight years being --

767
00:34:28,630 --> 00:34:29,490
She would not believe --

768
00:34:29,550 --> 00:34:32,490
if you were to speak to that
character this way she'd be offended.

769
00:34:32,910 --> 00:34:33,970
Yes. But they didn't give her shit --

770
00:34:34,490 --> 00:34:37,450
Because she didn't play second fiddle.
She told him what, what to do a lot.

771
00:34:38,190 --> 00:34:38,570
No.

772
00:34:38,570 --> 00:34:39,850
She was like, "No, we're
gonna do it this way.".

773
00:34:40,070 --> 00:34:42,880
No. Cause, look, there's a
contrast that exists there.

774
00:34:42,940 --> 00:34:46,520
The contrast is you finally have her in
there and she's playing against Michael

775
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:47,600
Gross. Who's chewing the scenery,

776
00:34:47,801 --> 00:34:52,160
cause for the first time in seven years
he's not playing the dad from "Family

777
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,760
Ties," the whitest TV dad of that decade.

778
00:34:55,230 --> 00:34:56,400
Yeah. He got even whiter.

779
00:34:56,510 --> 00:34:58,200
Yeah. He's trying to play
against type by being --

780
00:34:58,480 --> 00:34:59,313
He went extremist.

781
00:35:00,740 --> 00:35:01,680
He went from Connecticut white to --

782
00:35:02,650 --> 00:35:04,630
That's a tough, that's a tough transition.

783
00:35:05,350 --> 00:35:08,150
You stare at that and that's confusing,
and then Reba's just kind of there.

784
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,910
Where she shines, though, and where I
would love to hear your thoughts today,

785
00:35:12,250 --> 00:35:14,910
is when she's firing weapons.

786
00:35:16,370 --> 00:35:17,670
The looks on her face.

787
00:35:18,580 --> 00:35:19,413
Yeah.

788
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:21,070
It's just GIF-worthy all day long.

789
00:35:21,740 --> 00:35:22,940
Good country girl, you know?

790
00:35:23,330 --> 00:35:28,020
Yeah. She's been pushed too far. She'll
deal with the asshole husband, but a,

791
00:35:28,140 --> 00:35:30,620
a worm from under the ground?
You're getting all the lead.

792
00:35:30,620 --> 00:35:33,780
When they hit the wall and it was just,
like, guns galore, I was like, oh shit.

793
00:35:33,780 --> 00:35:34,454
[Laughs].

794
00:35:35,090 --> 00:35:35,923
Yeah.

795
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:37,281
That's where I go, like,

796
00:35:37,281 --> 00:35:40,120
the white supremacist sort of thing
is definitely happening in that point.

797
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,400
Is there any evidence
whatsoever that, like, I mean,

798
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,240
I know that guns save the
day. I mean, obviously, right?

799
00:35:48,020 --> 00:35:51,680
But is there any, like, real
evidence that having, like,

800
00:35:51,930 --> 00:35:55,840
50 guns in that truck did anything other
than just, like, make them feel better?

801
00:35:56,820 --> 00:36:01,390
Because they shot 'em like 150 times
and the thing would just, like,

802
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,270
smash forward just as fast as
before, only losing some goop.

803
00:36:06,930 --> 00:36:11,390
It didn't seem to matter at all. They're
just, like, pumping this thing full of,

804
00:36:11,391 --> 00:36:12,830
like, insane amounts of lead.

805
00:36:13,710 --> 00:36:18,180
It turns out the giant bombs that you
also brought, those are more effective.

806
00:36:18,581 --> 00:36:19,181
The giant bombs.

807
00:36:19,181 --> 00:36:20,014
Absolutely.

808
00:36:21,500 --> 00:36:25,300
It took them, like, 45 minutes to
start bombing these fuckin' things.

809
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:26,700
And they had a hundred bombs. [Laughs].

810
00:36:28,450 --> 00:36:31,740
This is sort of the American mentality,
isn't it? It's the idea that you,

811
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,540
you shoot at a thing and you shoot a
thing and then you shoot it with a bigger

812
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,060
gun. [Jeff sighs] Then you shoot with a
bigger gun. It's how America goes to --

813
00:36:37,130 --> 00:36:39,330
it's how America used
to go to war. It's like,

814
00:36:39,630 --> 00:36:42,530
we didn't drop bombs until it
really got serious. You know,

815
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:44,490
now we have drone strikes
now and now we're,

816
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,410
even bigger monsters than we ever were,
but, like you didn't drop bombs until --

817
00:36:48,411 --> 00:36:49,244
But at that time --

818
00:36:49,450 --> 00:36:52,130
-- after you, after you bayonetted
people in the fuckin' swamp.

819
00:36:52,710 --> 00:36:56,810
We hadn't had the first Iraq war
yet, at that point? Or am I...no.

820
00:36:57,050 --> 00:36:58,640
That's, I think that's '91.

821
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,880
Yeah. It's a year later, is when,
like, you know, when bombs were, like,

822
00:37:04,100 --> 00:37:07,080
the thing. Everybody knew about bombs
all of a sudden. [Music plays] Some

823
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:20,583
favorite quotes.

824
00:37:21,330 --> 00:37:25,670
My favorite quote from this comes
from, uh, from Michael Gross --

825
00:37:26,030 --> 00:37:26,850
Burt Gummer --

826
00:37:26,850 --> 00:37:31,350
and it is that scene after
they have just laid waste,

827
00:37:31,930 --> 00:37:34,510
him and Reba, uh, Heather Gummer,

828
00:37:34,890 --> 00:37:38,910
on this sandworm who has broken through
the wall like the fuckin' Kool-Aid man.

829
00:37:38,910 --> 00:37:40,220
[Father laughs] And

830
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:46,530
they finally got it down and he says,
"Broke into the wrong goddamn rec room,

831
00:37:46,531 --> 00:37:47,450
didn't ya, bastard?".

832
00:37:49,670 --> 00:37:50,503
That's a jam.

833
00:37:51,610 --> 00:37:54,330
"Ya bastard." [Laughter] That's,
I think my favorite. It's just --

834
00:37:55,680 --> 00:38:00,040
When those two are firing guns
together, it is a delight.

835
00:38:00,860 --> 00:38:01,960
Oh, how delightful.

836
00:38:02,860 --> 00:38:07,080
It bothers me so much that they were
absent for such a significant portion of

837
00:38:07,081 --> 00:38:08,240
this film they spent like --

838
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:08,510
Yeah.

839
00:38:08,510 --> 00:38:11,680
-- most of act two off,
like, looking for something.

840
00:38:12,420 --> 00:38:14,960
And then they come back
and finally it's like, oh,

841
00:38:14,961 --> 00:38:16,480
this is why they were away all this time,

842
00:38:16,481 --> 00:38:18,520
because you couldn't just have
them be there during this shit,

843
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,350
where they were just, like, "Well, we're
gonna go get all of our guns now.".

844
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:22,673
Right.

845
00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:26,830
What, what was your, uh, what was
your favorite one-liner, Jeff?

846
00:38:27,830 --> 00:38:30,870
"Run for it? Running's not a plan.

847
00:38:31,180 --> 00:38:33,590
Running's what you do once
a plan fails." [Gary laughs]

848
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,320
Whoa! Why. Point to --
[Coughs] pardon me --

849
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:46,240
point to another bad
film that has a line that

850
00:38:46,350 --> 00:38:47,480
good. Like,

851
00:38:47,481 --> 00:38:51,480
"The Running Man" didn't have a line
that good about running and it was about

852
00:38:51,481 --> 00:38:52,314
running.

853
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:53,633
Yeah.

854
00:38:54,750 --> 00:38:56,270
[Laughs] Oh, my God. It
was, I was almost there.

855
00:38:56,271 --> 00:38:59,510
Then you said "about running." I'm
like, okay, got it. I was like,

856
00:38:59,511 --> 00:39:01,070
there's no way to --

857
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:02,153
[Laughs] It's a movie about running!

858
00:39:02,550 --> 00:39:05,310
There's no way to shoehorn it in.
That's just perfect. It's great.

859
00:39:05,630 --> 00:39:06,463
What a line!

860
00:39:07,470 --> 00:39:09,510
Uh, Father, do you have any
favorite lines from the film?

861
00:39:10,430 --> 00:39:14,950
Um, I'm gonna go with, uh, probably
-- cause, I mean, the only,

862
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,540
the only person that was truly, really
interesting was Kevin Bacon's character,

863
00:39:19,060 --> 00:39:19,270
honestly.

864
00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:20,103
Agree.

865
00:39:20,220 --> 00:39:24,060
Like he, you know, he's real, you
know, emotive and shit. Um, it was,

866
00:39:24,220 --> 00:39:28,740
it was all, I think it was when they first
killed the, the first joint. I don't,

867
00:39:28,900 --> 00:39:31,220
I can't remember exactly what he said,
but it was just like, it was like,

868
00:39:32,090 --> 00:39:36,810
like "we killed..." Like he just,
he did a real big "FUCK YOU!" like,

869
00:39:37,370 --> 00:39:39,090
he like flipped out all
of a sudden. He was like,

870
00:39:40,371 --> 00:39:42,330
they were kind of chill for
most of the movie. And then,

871
00:39:42,331 --> 00:39:45,450
that was the one time he was like,
"Yeah, brah, I was in fuckin' peril.

872
00:39:45,450 --> 00:39:46,690
Fuck this big-ass goddamn,

873
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,130
this big-ass worm." Like he
tripped the fuck out after,

874
00:39:50,131 --> 00:39:54,050
after he smashed the joint. And
it was around the same time,

875
00:39:54,051 --> 00:39:55,890
the other line about like,
like "I found the ass end!".

876
00:39:58,100 --> 00:39:58,760
Oh man.

877
00:39:58,760 --> 00:39:58,760
[Laughs] That's right!

878
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,920
Yeah, that whole, that whole little
section of dialogue after they kill it,

879
00:40:02,921 --> 00:40:05,800
he is like, "Fuck you." And then,
like, "I found the ass end," like,

880
00:40:05,801 --> 00:40:08,000
that was the perfect
little -- like, that's the,

881
00:40:08,001 --> 00:40:11,080
that's the one moment where I was like,
oh, okay. He piped up a little bit,

882
00:40:11,081 --> 00:40:13,880
you know, he got, you know, got some
character into it and shit like that.

883
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,880
But for the most part -- like, you know,

884
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:17,190
cause most of the time
they were just like,

885
00:40:17,210 --> 00:40:21,470
"I'm just a chill guy who's out on
the Prairie," you know, whatever.

886
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:21,940
Right.

887
00:40:21,940 --> 00:40:24,100
Like they never got too,

888
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,060
too excitable until like that very moment
when they finally killed some shit.

889
00:40:27,790 --> 00:40:30,900
Smart-dumb young dude was like, perfect.

890
00:40:31,940 --> 00:40:31,940
Yeah.

891
00:40:31,940 --> 00:40:36,660
He was perfect for it. He was made
for that role. It really, to me,

892
00:40:36,810 --> 00:40:38,730
like, it clicked through most of the film,

893
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,530
even when he was at his
most ridiculous, you know?

894
00:40:41,530 --> 00:40:44,810
Yeah, we haven't talked much about
Kevin Bacon, but I think, like,

895
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:49,730
he is the star and he definitely
shows that star power. Cause for me,

896
00:40:49,731 --> 00:40:50,010
he --

897
00:40:50,010 --> 00:40:50,710
He had the hair.

898
00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:51,570
Oh, he had the hair.

899
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,050
Yeah. He had the, the
'90s hair. That was it.

900
00:40:54,790 --> 00:40:59,720
For me, what I really enjoyed
was the first act of this movie

901
00:41:00,420 --> 00:41:04,960
is ostensibly a buddy comedy
between Kevin Bacon and Fred Ward.

902
00:41:05,460 --> 00:41:08,440
And Fred Ward being the older
friend and they're, you know,

903
00:41:08,441 --> 00:41:12,120
just trying to get their lives together.
They're gonna go to the, the, the,

904
00:41:12,220 --> 00:41:14,880
I'm not gonna say the big
city, but to the next city,

905
00:41:15,220 --> 00:41:18,630
the nearest city to try to make
something of themselves. And, like,

906
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,710
their whole interplay is wonderful. And
it's just like, it brings up Fred Ward,

907
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:26,830
who is a great B movie-level
actor, great character actor.

908
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:29,750
Um, you know, he was Remo Williams in
"Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins." And

909
00:41:32,330 --> 00:41:36,760
here's Kevin Bacon who, like, you
know, six years before had, you know,

910
00:41:36,761 --> 00:41:40,240
had "Footloose" and, like, worked
with, you know, he worked with, like,

911
00:41:40,260 --> 00:41:42,800
not necessarily before this
movie, but around this movie,

912
00:41:42,801 --> 00:41:47,560
he worked with everybody from John Hughes
on "She's Having a Baby" to Rob Reiner

913
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,720
in "A Few Good Men," Oliver
Stone and "JFK," obviously,

914
00:41:50,740 --> 00:41:54,150
is a very key role role
for him. But, like,

915
00:41:54,180 --> 00:41:57,230
this isn't even the best Kevin
Bacon movie that came out in 1990.

916
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,670
"Flatliners" came out in 1990.

917
00:42:00,980 --> 00:42:05,590
Joel Schumacher's "Flatliners."
Keifer Sutherland, Julia Roberts,

918
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:07,430
Kevin Bacon. It is --

919
00:42:07,431 --> 00:42:08,264
I missed that one.

920
00:42:08,490 --> 00:42:09,830
You missed "Flatliners"?

921
00:42:10,110 --> 00:42:10,910
I didn't see "Flatliners.".

922
00:42:10,910 --> 00:42:12,030
I don't think I've ever
seen "Flatliners.".

923
00:42:12,030 --> 00:42:12,950
Are neither of you
familiar with "Flatliners"?

924
00:42:14,700 --> 00:42:16,700
I told you I was, you know,
I was, I was born that year.

925
00:42:17,140 --> 00:42:20,100
It's Jeff I'm disappointed in, but I'm
generally disappointed in Jeff, so...

926
00:42:20,460 --> 00:42:22,020
Why, like... ow. A disappointment?

927
00:42:22,510 --> 00:42:23,300
"Flatliners"!

928
00:42:23,300 --> 00:42:25,580
I deserve disappointment
over "Flatliners"?

929
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:27,140
"Flatliners" was a movie about --

930
00:42:27,340 --> 00:42:30,300
I'll watch "Flatliners,"
Jesus! "Disappointment.".

931
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,220
I'm gonna tell you the premise
of "Flatliners." "Flatliners" is,

932
00:42:33,950 --> 00:42:38,890
is a movie about medical students
who experiment with bringing

933
00:42:38,891 --> 00:42:41,570
each other back from the dead.

934
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:43,090
Killing themselves and bringing
them back from the dead.

935
00:42:43,890 --> 00:42:44,723
[Laughs] I can't believe I missed this.

936
00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:49,450
And when they come back, they bring
back, basically, evil spirits with them.

937
00:42:50,370 --> 00:42:50,960
Oh, that's nuts.

938
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,370
It's amazing.

939
00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:55,760
And it is a way better movie than
"Tremors." It is a way better bad movie --

940
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:57,513
I guarantee it is, have you
listened to the premise? Jesus!

941
00:42:59,001 --> 00:42:59,834
-- a way better bad
movie than "Tremors" is.

942
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,600
Oh, there's a, uh, I just looked
it up. There's a remake of it.

943
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:02,960
I didn't know that.

944
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,760
They did do a remake of
it. Mmmm....not so good.

945
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:07,040
Good fuckin' --

946
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:07,321
I mean, look,

947
00:43:07,321 --> 00:43:11,560
he was also in "RIPD." Let's not go
crazy talking about 'Kevin Bacon's the

948
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:11,560
best.'.

949
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,480
But no, I'm just saying at that time.
And, like, the other thing is that,

950
00:43:14,570 --> 00:43:15,470
not only is this ,like,

951
00:43:15,710 --> 00:43:18,510
that it's not that "Tremors" is not
even Kevin Bacon's best movie that year.

952
00:43:18,780 --> 00:43:23,630
It's not even the best monster horror
movie of that year. Because also 1990?

953
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:25,303
"Arachnophobia.".

954
00:43:25,690 --> 00:43:27,950
But we weren't picking good movies.

955
00:43:28,450 --> 00:43:30,790
No, I'm just saying that, like,
on the scale of these things...

956
00:43:30,990 --> 00:43:33,790
You keep talking to me
like I've gone, like, "Yo,

957
00:43:33,791 --> 00:43:36,740
this movie is amazing."
It's hilariously bad.

958
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,220
That's the best part of it to me.

959
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,540
See, I don't think it's hilarious enough.

960
00:43:41,890 --> 00:43:42,360
Okay.

961
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,620
And I don't think it's, I don't think
it's a good enough bad movie. Like --

962
00:43:45,260 --> 00:43:47,500
It, it is, it absolutely is not
hilarious enough. I'll say that.

963
00:43:47,550 --> 00:43:48,383
Thank you.

964
00:43:48,780 --> 00:43:49,500
Nah, that shit was not --

965
00:43:49,500 --> 00:43:51,140
There's long stretches
where it's mighty boring.

966
00:43:51,290 --> 00:43:52,123
Like whenever the monsters
aren't attacking --

967
00:43:52,810 --> 00:43:53,643
Yeah.

968
00:43:53,770 --> 00:43:54,603
-- it's really boring.

969
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,890
If you're gonna call something a horror
comedy, it has to be scary and funny,

970
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,130
Jeff. That's how it works.

971
00:44:00,130 --> 00:44:00,963
Scary -- there were...Okay.

972
00:44:01,330 --> 00:44:01,330
"Scary Movie," like...

973
00:44:01,330 --> 00:44:05,290
I laughed out loud a few times
at Kevin Bacon being a jackass.

974
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,450
Like I, I laughed at some ,like,
obviously unfunny stuff. I really,

975
00:44:10,610 --> 00:44:11,850
I laughed really hard when, uh,

976
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,850
when they had the argument
about who was gonna go run after

977
00:44:17,100 --> 00:44:21,320
the, like, Cat, the machine, you
know what I mean? The, I guess,

978
00:44:21,321 --> 00:44:22,520
tractorlike thing.

979
00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:23,703
Sure.

980
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,200
Uh, when they were
running for the tractor,

981
00:44:26,390 --> 00:44:29,200
they had this argument about who
was gonna go. And I was like,

982
00:44:30,740 --> 00:44:31,800
one of you is, like,

983
00:44:31,820 --> 00:44:36,360
30 years younger than the other
one and in prime shape and

984
00:44:36,450 --> 00:44:41,360
absolutely will get there faster than
the other dude. What is this, like,

985
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:46,360
grousing about? [Laughs] It was,
I could not stop laughing at that.

986
00:44:46,420 --> 00:44:48,920
It was so stupid and, like,
pointless to be there.

987
00:44:49,990 --> 00:44:51,480
So Father, before we let you go, um...

988
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:52,200
Yeah --

989
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:53,033
Because

990
00:44:54,310 --> 00:44:57,600
clearly Jeff and I don't see
eye-to-eye on this film --

991
00:44:58,380 --> 00:45:00,320
You were never going to
see eye-to-eye with me.

992
00:45:00,321 --> 00:45:03,840
You're mad that you had to
do it in the first place;

993
00:45:03,940 --> 00:45:05,440
you came in with the wrong attitude.

994
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,760
I think I came in with a fine
attitude for approaching this,

995
00:45:08,761 --> 00:45:12,270
because the question is very
simple. And this is the question --

996
00:45:12,430 --> 00:45:15,470
Saying that 'I would never watch it'
and coming in and saying it was gonna be

997
00:45:15,490 --> 00:45:16,630
bad to me off, off-cam.

998
00:45:17,870 --> 00:45:19,830
I don't know if that's
exactly how it went down.

999
00:45:19,830 --> 00:45:19,830
[Laughs] I've got receipts.

1000
00:45:19,830 --> 00:45:24,110
Exactly how it went. Um,

1001
00:45:24,650 --> 00:45:25,483
but, Father,

1002
00:45:25,770 --> 00:45:29,110
the whole premise of this season again
is we are trying to watch good bad

1003
00:45:29,170 --> 00:45:33,140
movies. So, Jeff, you think
this is a good bad movie, yes?

1004
00:45:34,170 --> 00:45:35,100
I do. I'll stand behind it.

1005
00:45:35,980 --> 00:45:40,730
I do not think this is a good bad
movie. Father, do you think "Tremors" --

1006
00:45:41,050 --> 00:45:43,570
Ebert agrees with me. Did you just think
that's -- I think that's something.

1007
00:45:43,970 --> 00:45:47,050
No, don't -- you've had an hour
to try to explain this thing.

1008
00:45:47,051 --> 00:45:48,490
You've had plenty of time
to try to explain this.

1009
00:45:48,750 --> 00:45:52,210
It is now up to our guest
to be the deciding vote in
this tiebreaker situation.

1010
00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:56,680
Is "Tremors" a good bad movie?

1011
00:45:57,740 --> 00:46:01,660
It -- oh, man. It's -- uh, it's,

1012
00:46:01,930 --> 00:46:05,260
it's a watch, you know? You
know, it's not, it's not,

1013
00:46:05,461 --> 00:46:10,180
I'll say it's not a horrible movie.
It's not good. It's not good either.

1014
00:46:10,770 --> 00:46:11,410
It's not good.

1015
00:46:11,410 --> 00:46:14,130
It's not, it's not good. It's not
good. It's not horrible, though.

1016
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:14,890
It's bad!

1017
00:46:14,890 --> 00:46:19,290
It's not bad. It's not bad bad. It's
like, it's just, like, it exists.

1018
00:46:19,490 --> 00:46:21,650
What it sounds like to me is you're
saying it's a good bad movie. Move.

1019
00:46:21,710 --> 00:46:23,370
No, Jeff, let him work through it himself.

1020
00:46:23,770 --> 00:46:25,810
No, please, he's, like, saying
everything but good bad.

1021
00:46:26,050 --> 00:46:28,170
This is why we don't let people
like you near polling places.

1022
00:46:28,770 --> 00:46:28,990
You have to let people --

1023
00:46:28,990 --> 00:46:31,130
If it was this --

1024
00:46:31,130 --> 00:46:31,130
[Laughs] Whoa, whoa, whoa!

1025
00:46:31,130 --> 00:46:34,280
Alright, alright, alright, alright. If
it was just like -- if I'm, you know,

1026
00:46:34,281 --> 00:46:35,320
I'm sitting in the house, I have cable.

1027
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:36,400
Yeah.

1028
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,110
If it's just on, I'm gonna turn it off.

1029
00:46:40,270 --> 00:46:40,730
Okay.

1030
00:46:40,730 --> 00:46:43,630
I'm not gonna, I'm probably not gonna
stick around to catch the, the, the --

1031
00:46:44,030 --> 00:46:46,830
cause...I don't know. It's just, it's
like, alright. So it's like, it's,

1032
00:46:47,860 --> 00:46:51,310
there's a certain level of, of, of '90s

1033
00:46:52,970 --> 00:46:57,620
boring movies, and this was like, like,

1034
00:46:57,810 --> 00:47:02,100
this was exactly that, you know? This is
like that, like, nothing is happening,

1035
00:47:02,100 --> 00:47:05,340
damn near. A lot is happening,
but...I don't know something about it,

1036
00:47:05,341 --> 00:47:09,540
it's just like, the acting and everything
is like, 'oh, okay, all right.' Yeah.

1037
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,380
And I love some real boring fuckin'
'90s, '80s movies, too. You know?

1038
00:47:13,580 --> 00:47:13,580
Sure.

1039
00:47:13,580 --> 00:47:16,970
I'm, it's just like, it's like, I
just like, cause I love some shit---

1040
00:47:16,970 --> 00:47:16,970
This is not a movie to love.

1041
00:47:16,970 --> 00:47:19,490
No, no, this is not a movie to love.

1042
00:47:19,630 --> 00:47:19,630
No.

1043
00:47:19,630 --> 00:47:23,850
It's not a movie to -- it's
probably not... I don't know.

1044
00:47:23,890 --> 00:47:28,630
I don't know how to say it, but
it's...it's shocking, Kevin Bacon, but...

1045
00:47:31,570 --> 00:47:32,970
[Father & Jeff laugh] Honestly,
go back and look, like -- Gary,

1046
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:37,490
Gary put a nice shine
on Kevin Bacon. He's a,

1047
00:47:37,710 --> 00:47:39,850
he literally was in ev-er-y-thing.

1048
00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:42,770
Yeah. I don't, I don't even like,
I like, I know Kevin -- like,

1049
00:47:42,770 --> 00:47:43,810
he's another one of those actors --

1050
00:47:44,330 --> 00:47:45,530
Do you remember the movie "Balto"? No.

1051
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:47,543
Barely.

1052
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,200
That was about around this time.

1053
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,000
I barely -- like, that's one
of those movies I used to --

1054
00:47:52,020 --> 00:47:54,640
the preview would come on before I
watch whatever movie I'm about to watch.

1055
00:47:55,340 --> 00:47:55,340
Sure.

1056
00:47:55,340 --> 00:47:58,800
But, cause, yeah, I'm -- I don't know
Kevin Bacon really that well. Like,

1057
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,760
I know Kevin Bacon, though. You know
what I'm saying? I know that face,

1058
00:48:02,060 --> 00:48:03,880
but I really, I really -- thinking
off the top of my head, I'm like,

1059
00:48:03,881 --> 00:48:07,080
I don't know what movies, Kevin
Bacon really is in. You know,

1060
00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:08,120
I guess it's just like that --

1061
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:09,393
"Beauty Shop," he's in "Beauty Shop.".

1062
00:48:10,020 --> 00:48:14,590
It's a big, it's a big gap for me, I
guess. Cause you know, you know, for the,

1063
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:19,310
the main years he was active, I was
like a fuckin' 9-year-old. I don't know.

1064
00:48:19,870 --> 00:48:20,703
Yeah.

1065
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:25,190
Um, but yeah, yeah. No, no. I don't
think it's -- I can't say good bad.

1066
00:48:25,630 --> 00:48:26,630
Cause I love some good bad shit.

1067
00:48:27,500 --> 00:48:28,170
Okay.

1068
00:48:28,170 --> 00:48:28,471
You know?

1069
00:48:28,471 --> 00:48:29,304
Fair enough.

1070
00:48:29,350 --> 00:48:31,820
I don't know if -- I don't know if it's
good bad. I don't know if it's good bad.

1071
00:48:32,100 --> 00:48:32,980
I won't say it's bad bad.

1072
00:48:34,100 --> 00:48:34,933
It was watchably bad.

1073
00:48:35,380 --> 00:48:36,213
Yeah.

1074
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:38,940
To be clear my question, my question
is not whether it's a bad bad movie,

1075
00:48:38,940 --> 00:48:38,941
it's whether --

1076
00:48:38,941 --> 00:48:42,980
It's a boring -- it's a
boring decent. How about that?

1077
00:48:43,900 --> 00:48:44,820
It's a boring --

1078
00:48:45,860 --> 00:48:46,820
That sounds like a vote --

1079
00:48:46,820 --> 00:48:49,100
That's, like, right in between
where Gary and I are landing.

1080
00:48:49,380 --> 00:48:52,010
No, no, that's not in between. That's
not in between. [Father laughs]

1081
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:55,250
That definitely leans more towards my --

1082
00:48:55,410 --> 00:48:59,010
No, I don't think it does. I think it's
right down the middle. It's like 50/50,

1083
00:48:59,550 --> 00:49:00,290
man. 50/50.

1084
00:49:00,290 --> 00:49:01,770
If somebody else --

1085
00:49:02,010 --> 00:49:02,570
I don't know if we can count it.

1086
00:49:02,570 --> 00:49:05,930
If somebody else wanted to watch it,
I'm not gonna tell them to turn it off.

1087
00:49:06,610 --> 00:49:08,170
You know? I'ma be like,
I'm, I'ma sit there.

1088
00:49:08,410 --> 00:49:08,890
I like that language a lot!

1089
00:49:08,890 --> 00:49:12,920
I gotta, you know -- I don't
know if y'all know the homie,

1090
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:14,360
my homie Archibald Slim --.

1091
00:49:14,540 --> 00:49:15,360
Of course!

1092
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:15,790
Yeah.

1093
00:49:15,790 --> 00:49:19,480
Arch, like, he watches -- like, this is
somebody you should bring on this show,

1094
00:49:19,481 --> 00:49:24,200
cause he watches terrible
fuckin' movies every day.

1095
00:49:24,550 --> 00:49:27,000
Like, he'll run through -- like, he'll
just be sitting and he'll watch, like,

1096
00:49:27,110 --> 00:49:30,480
five movies back to back. Four
of them will be fuckin' terrible.

1097
00:49:30,650 --> 00:49:33,630
He'll find one good one. But he
just, he powers through them all,

1098
00:49:33,970 --> 00:49:36,230
no matter what. I don't
know what he's just --

1099
00:49:36,231 --> 00:49:38,830
he's just building a database in
his head of terrible fuckin' movies,

1100
00:49:39,350 --> 00:49:43,890
but he does this shit. And, you know,
he'll, he'll throw that shit on.

1101
00:49:43,891 --> 00:49:46,010
I'll be sitting there like, "Bro,
this is a terrible fuckin' movie.

1102
00:49:46,070 --> 00:49:48,410
Why are we still watching this?"
And it'll be like an hour into it.

1103
00:49:48,430 --> 00:49:49,450
I'm just like, well, you know, whatever.

1104
00:49:49,890 --> 00:49:53,560
At least I know what not to do
if I ever wanted to make a movie.

1105
00:49:53,860 --> 00:49:56,000
So this is good. This is good
information. You know, it's good to watch,

1106
00:49:56,020 --> 00:49:59,550
you know? So, but yeah, yeah. This,

1107
00:49:59,790 --> 00:50:02,150
this ranks up in there of like, I'm
not gonna tell you to turn it off,

1108
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:03,990
but I'ma look at it and not
enjoy it. [Music plays].

1109
00:50:19,090 --> 00:50:20,900
What an amazing guest we had tonight.

1110
00:50:21,940 --> 00:50:22,773
Oh, yeah.

1111
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:23,863
We're so lucky.

1112
00:50:24,740 --> 00:50:29,200
It's amazing that we had somebody of
that caliber to come on and talk about

1113
00:50:29,910 --> 00:50:31,040
such a lousy film.

1114
00:50:31,660 --> 00:50:32,560
You know, I didn't even --

1115
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:37,060
I wasn't even mad that he didn't agree
with me that it was a good bad movie.

1116
00:50:37,660 --> 00:50:39,500
I wasn't mad at him for
disagreeing with you either.

1117
00:50:40,140 --> 00:50:40,780
I disagree with you all the time.

1118
00:50:40,780 --> 00:50:44,140
Of course you like it when I
look, when I look bad on the air.

1119
00:50:45,020 --> 00:50:48,530
We've we've established that for
seasons upon seasons. It's like a,

1120
00:50:48,650 --> 00:50:51,970
a trope with you. 'Let's make Jeff
look stupid'. Like I need any help.

1121
00:50:53,730 --> 00:50:54,450
Huh. You're, you're selling yourself --

1122
00:50:54,450 --> 00:50:54,810
But the thing is --

1123
00:50:54,810 --> 00:50:56,570
-- you're selling yourself appropriately.

1124
00:50:57,050 --> 00:50:58,330
With you two disagreeing with me,

1125
00:50:58,331 --> 00:51:03,130
I'm still on the side of most
people that it is a good bad movie.

1126
00:51:03,250 --> 00:51:06,890
I think more people believe it to be
a good bad movie. It's certified fresh

1127
00:51:08,420 --> 00:51:09,253
on Rotten Tomatoes.

1128
00:51:09,490 --> 00:51:11,940
Well, I mean, look, those
numbers are what they are.

1129
00:51:12,380 --> 00:51:12,780
That movie --

1130
00:51:12,780 --> 00:51:16,860
This is not based on reality. You
know, the, the fact is, is the film --

1131
00:51:16,860 --> 00:51:20,860
I hear you, but, like, of course it isn't!
It's a movie about underground worms.

1132
00:51:21,290 --> 00:51:22,300
Yeah. It's about underground worms --

1133
00:51:22,540 --> 00:51:26,980
I'm so sorry you can't suspend your
disbelief for one movie because you're

1134
00:51:26,981 --> 00:51:27,930
trying to prove a point. You're capping.

1135
00:51:29,310 --> 00:51:31,570
But I'm -- but you're saying
people liked it. Like,

1136
00:51:31,571 --> 00:51:35,810
this is a film that they made,
it cost them $10 million to make,

1137
00:51:36,110 --> 00:51:38,690
it made $16. The expectations --

1138
00:51:38,810 --> 00:51:41,810
Yeah, but it's made movies since then,
too. It was on cable all the time --

1139
00:51:41,810 --> 00:51:44,170
But the expectation is
clearly a lot higher.

1140
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:45,690
It's the kind of movie that I think --

1141
00:51:45,690 --> 00:51:47,210
They made six more of 'em!

1142
00:51:47,810 --> 00:51:50,760
I think the reason why you
have a franchise that comes
out of it is it's a film

1143
00:51:50,761 --> 00:51:55,520
that finds a second life among
weirdos in video stores in the

1144
00:51:55,720 --> 00:51:59,840
1990s, which is a place where
weirdos thrived: '90s video stores.

1145
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,280
Okay. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,
whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

1146
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:07,420
I come from a proud lineage
of video store weirdos. Okay?

1147
00:52:08,250 --> 00:52:13,060
How dare you? Video store weirdos.
"Tremors" is fun to watch.

1148
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:14,980
But that's the argument
that I'm making, is that --

1149
00:52:15,500 --> 00:52:16,160
For a lot of people.

1150
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:20,740
-- you're saying "most people,"
I'm saying video store weirdos like

1151
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,500
you like this movie enough
that they were saying this.

1152
00:52:24,590 --> 00:52:28,100
There weren't that many
video store weirdos. It's a,

1153
00:52:28,101 --> 00:52:30,690
it's a wildly popular film. It, it,

1154
00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:35,130
it was released on Netflix with all
of them and streamed a whole lot.

1155
00:52:35,630 --> 00:52:39,050
People enjoy this idiot
film, is all I'm saying.

1156
00:52:39,570 --> 00:52:44,010
Well, you know, I, I think we, we got
our answer with our guest tonight.

1157
00:52:44,510 --> 00:52:48,290
You know, I think it's a good way of
beginning this season. We, obviously,

1158
00:52:48,291 --> 00:52:52,480
we're gonna battle it out, so to speak,
uh, over the course of these episodes.

1159
00:52:52,481 --> 00:52:55,560
So, I think it was good to get
a perspective that, you know,

1160
00:52:55,561 --> 00:52:59,760
helps us get an understanding of
what a good bad movie actually is.

1161
00:53:00,140 --> 00:53:02,480
He didn't quite think it met that level.

1162
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,520
I understand. I understand.
I'm not mad. He was -- what a,

1163
00:53:05,521 --> 00:53:06,480
what a wonderful human.

1164
00:53:06,830 --> 00:53:10,670
Yeah. I mean, look, an amazing artist,
amazing artist, great person to talk to,

1165
00:53:10,671 --> 00:53:11,990
like, Father was great.

1166
00:53:12,910 --> 00:53:17,150
But I just, I'm just saying that,
like, this does -- this is not a,

1167
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:19,270
a poll that is indicative of the whole.

1168
00:53:19,820 --> 00:53:21,230
Well, that's not what
we're doing here. Like,

1169
00:53:21,231 --> 00:53:24,990
we're not asking the world to decide on
these things. The point of this, of a,

1170
00:53:25,020 --> 00:53:29,920
of this is we have another party
in the room helping us to decide

1171
00:53:29,921 --> 00:53:30,440
these things.

1172
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,360
Okay, then where are you at on
a good bad movie? What, what,

1173
00:53:34,030 --> 00:53:36,760
what is constituting a
good bad movie to you?

1174
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:39,000
Well, I mean, there's a
lot of options. Obviously,

1175
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,160
there's loads things that I'm
considering for this season. You know,

1176
00:53:42,310 --> 00:53:43,143
I've been --

1177
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,310
A whole spectrum of terrible
movies we can watch.

1178
00:53:45,830 --> 00:53:48,510
Well, I mean, of good -- of things
that I think will be good bad movies.

1179
00:53:48,530 --> 00:53:51,510
And I think that, uh --
look, you know my tastes.

1180
00:53:51,970 --> 00:53:53,190
You know a lot about my tastes.

1181
00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:54,010
Yeah.

1182
00:53:54,010 --> 00:53:56,270
And you know my taste
in comedy in particular.

1183
00:53:56,970 --> 00:54:01,110
And I think comedy is where there's
a lot of great resource for --

1184
00:54:01,110 --> 00:54:01,110
Oh, no, I don't like this at all.

1185
00:54:01,110 --> 00:54:04,150
No, no, no! A lot of great resource
for good bad movies are in comedy.

1186
00:54:04,550 --> 00:54:05,940
Uh, I don't know, man. I
don't know about this. Comedy?

1187
00:54:07,210 --> 00:54:09,260
Yeah! Well, look, horror comedy is --

1188
00:54:09,820 --> 00:54:10,590
We picked "Evil Bong" --

1189
00:54:10,590 --> 00:54:11,181
We've done a lot of --

1190
00:54:11,181 --> 00:54:13,620
-- but that's off-air. We've
never, we've never talked about it.

1191
00:54:13,621 --> 00:54:17,060
There are some movies that we watched
in between last season and this season,

1192
00:54:17,940 --> 00:54:20,460
um, that were particularly bad.
We watched things that were,

1193
00:54:20,580 --> 00:54:23,500
I think truly considered
bad bad movies. And we --

1194
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,130
I'm sure they'll come up because
you like to rub things in my face,

1195
00:54:27,270 --> 00:54:29,330
but we watched some things
that were bad, bad movies.

1196
00:54:29,690 --> 00:54:31,010
[Laughs] That's a thing that I do.

1197
00:54:33,550 --> 00:54:38,490
But I think where part of where we maybe
got some of this stuff wrong is that --

1198
00:54:39,190 --> 00:54:42,660
in the, in the off-season
-- is that we, we,

1199
00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:46,730
we didn't pick films that
actually, uh, met the criteria.

1200
00:54:46,930 --> 00:54:51,210
Genre films and horror sort of sometimes
don't find the balance of horror

1201
00:54:51,211 --> 00:54:55,490
comedy. And I think it's like,
picking a comedy written by comedians,

1202
00:54:55,610 --> 00:54:58,010
directed by comedians, starring comedians,

1203
00:54:58,010 --> 00:55:01,690
as opposed to screenwriters who
maybe have some funny ideas,

1204
00:55:02,330 --> 00:55:02,720
will get us there.

1205
00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:04,410
[Sighs] Oh, man. Look,
that limits it to, like,

1206
00:55:05,740 --> 00:55:09,550
two or three studios that would
allow that to happen. Like,

1207
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,750
small subsects of things, which means
that they're comedian-run. Like,

1208
00:55:13,751 --> 00:55:14,630
you're saying everything's comedian-run?

1209
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,840
Well, no, I'm saying that that's a,
that's a pool from which to pull things.

1210
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,560
I mean, for example, the Happy
Madison universe of films.

1211
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,040
See, that's what I was -- that's exactly
where I was getting to, was like,

1212
00:55:25,140 --> 00:55:29,750
you're gonna make me watch some stupid
Adam Sandler thing like "Little Nicky." I

1213
00:55:29,751 --> 00:55:30,870
don't wanna watch "Little Nicky.".

1214
00:55:30,870 --> 00:55:32,230
Well, here, I'm gonna
promise you this: The,

1215
00:55:32,850 --> 00:55:35,390
the next movie that I pick will
not be an Adam Sandler movie.

1216
00:55:36,490 --> 00:55:37,323
He's not in it.

1217
00:55:38,220 --> 00:55:40,180
Uh, no, this is not an Adam
Sandler film. I mean, he,

1218
00:55:40,340 --> 00:55:43,100
maybe he has a cameo in it, but I don't
think he is. I think this is actually.

1219
00:55:43,220 --> 00:55:43,741
I think it's a Happy Madison movie,

1220
00:55:43,741 --> 00:55:45,780
so it's gonna be all the
dudes that are like --

1221
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,210
No, there's -- look, there's loads of
Happy Madison movies that aren't --

1222
00:55:49,211 --> 00:55:50,044
Happy Madison movies.

1223
00:55:50,410 --> 00:55:53,290
Some actresses who had, like, recently
not been cast in stuff for a while.

1224
00:55:53,390 --> 00:55:57,730
Oh, my God. You're, you're stereotyping
over here. I'm saying that there's --

1225
00:55:58,410 --> 00:56:00,010
Stereotyping! It's the thing
that he did, all the time.

1226
00:56:00,610 --> 00:56:03,610
But Happy Mad -- but they were
hugely successful films --

1227
00:56:04,570 --> 00:56:04,850
I'm not saying they weren't successful.

1228
00:56:04,850 --> 00:56:09,600
-- financially successful, loved by
people, but considered maybe a bad movie.

1229
00:56:09,630 --> 00:56:11,320
Just tell me it's "Little Nicky" already.

1230
00:56:11,780 --> 00:56:13,120
No, we're not doing "Little Nicky.".

1231
00:56:13,230 --> 00:56:15,480
Tell me it's "Little Nicky" without
telling me it's "Little Nicky.".

1232
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:17,080
We did that in our
"Hubie Halloween" season.

1233
00:56:17,340 --> 00:56:21,920
We are doing a non-Adam Sandler
movie in the Happy Madison universe.

1234
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,520
[Jeff sighs] You know,
like, for example, like --

1235
00:56:24,281 --> 00:56:27,040
this isn't a movie that I'm gonna pick
for this because I don't think it,

1236
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,520
although I think it falls into the
category, is "Grandma's Boy." Like,

1237
00:56:31,521 --> 00:56:32,440
"Grandma's Boy" was a,

1238
00:56:32,660 --> 00:56:36,920
was the kind of film that was made by
the people who were integral to those --

1239
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:38,120
I didn't see it, but I know
what you're talking about, yeah.

1240
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,080
-- early successes and, like,
it has some great people, but --

1241
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:42,353
Supposedly it's pretty.

1242
00:56:43,150 --> 00:56:47,310
Oh, it's hysterically funny. Like, it's
a great, it's a great movie and it's --

1243
00:56:47,310 --> 00:56:48,470
Is it that? It's not that.

1244
00:56:48,530 --> 00:56:50,710
But we're not gonna do
that one. But one of the --

1245
00:56:51,010 --> 00:56:55,830
but it was a breakout role
for the actor Nick Swardson,

1246
00:56:55,970 --> 00:57:00,190
who later got to have his own,
uh, Happy Madison movie. Now,

1247
00:57:00,300 --> 00:57:02,830
Nick Swardson you may know
from "Reno 911" [Jeff sighs],

1248
00:57:02,830 --> 00:57:03,663
and you may know from his, uh,
his show on comedy central --

1249
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:08,920
Oh no, what are you doing, Gary?

1250
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,260
-- he did a movie in 2011 --

1251
00:57:11,620 --> 00:57:13,820
Is he here? Why are you introducing
him like he needs to be here.

1252
00:57:14,460 --> 00:57:14,820
Tell me what the movie --

1253
00:57:14,820 --> 00:57:15,653
I'm just giving you background.

1254
00:57:16,700 --> 00:57:17,533
Give me the movie title.

1255
00:57:18,410 --> 00:57:21,380
It's called "Bucky Larson:
Born to Be a Star.".

1256
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,850
Why? Why -- this movie?

1257
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:27,940
Yeah!

1258
00:57:27,940 --> 00:57:29,290
Bucky Lars-- that. Ugh. Ugh.

1259
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,260
Okay. Okay. I'm calling. Okay.

1260
00:57:35,650 --> 00:57:38,260
This is how it works. You got
to pick your fuckin' worm movie,

1261
00:57:38,740 --> 00:57:39,700
I get to pick a movie now.

1262
00:57:40,420 --> 00:57:44,740
What? First of all, "fuckin' worm movie"
is a little harsh. I think, honestly,

1263
00:57:45,490 --> 00:57:48,570
if it weren't for your,
like, petty nonsense,

1264
00:57:48,990 --> 00:57:50,410
you actually would've liked that movie.

1265
00:57:50,990 --> 00:57:52,930
No, no. We are talking about --

1266
00:57:53,410 --> 00:57:53,830
No, no.

1267
00:57:53,830 --> 00:57:57,530
We are getting a sense of who has
the better taste in good bad movies,

1268
00:57:57,530 --> 00:57:57,530
and I am here --

1269
00:57:57,530 --> 00:58:01,090
Don't forget that at the beginning
of that podcast, Father says,

1270
00:58:01,530 --> 00:58:03,610
"I think I'm gonna have to
watch all the rest of them.".

1271
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:07,050
He was being kind. He's a
kindly patriarchal figure.

1272
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,850
That is ridiculous. Why -- on
this podcast? For what reason?

1273
00:58:10,490 --> 00:58:12,650
I didn't get a sense of
that. I think you're wrong.

1274
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:13,230
Look,

1275
00:58:13,230 --> 00:58:15,730
he had to spend a little bit of time
with you to know that you're full of it.

1276
00:58:15,730 --> 00:58:18,450
I think it's an interesting, fun,
dumb film. Alright. "Bucky Larson:

1277
00:58:18,451 --> 00:58:19,410
Born to Be a Star.".

1278
00:58:19,870 --> 00:58:24,750
So, next time when we talk
about that. My pick. My movie.

1279
00:58:25,490 --> 00:58:30,270
Your movie. You're doing -- Mm. M.

1280
00:58:32,940 --> 00:58:36,440
See you next time guys. dcast network.