Trey: Oh, Hey, if you're listening to this, then that means you're listening
to the special cut of Monday's episode.
That is scrubbed free of Spiderman, no way home spoilers.
So we're well aware.
Not everybody can make it out to the theaters, given Ahmad Cron and
everything else with COVID right now.
So we want it to be conscientious and give people a way to listen to
the episode without fear of spoilers.
Uh, there was a lot of great reflective moments of 2021 that we had with our
guests TK, and we wanted as many people to be able to listen to it as possible.
So rest assured if you're listening to this episode of our top five
scenes of the MCU in 2021, There are no Spiderman, no way home spoilers.
It is important to note that this is dropping the same day.
Eternals is hitting Disney plus.
So if you're not caught up with that, there is one specific
reference to that movie.
But I will say no more, make sure you have seen that.
Or if you're not too concerned, then listen away.
So once again, uh, there are no spoilers here.
You're gonna hear it.
Kind of awkward cuts because this was recorded with spoilers in mind.
So bear with us because there are some quick cuts, but rest assured
there are no Spiderman, no way home spoilers in this episode.
Hope you enjoy
Hello and welcome back to another episode of MCU.
Need to know a podcast dedicated to the Marvel cinematic universe
and everything you need to know.
Jude: I'm Jude,
Trey: how are you doing Trey?
Well, dude, I'm excited because today the pod vendors get to assemble once more.
She's an expert at distilling the insights and highlights of all the
latest MCU projects and the fantastic host of there was an idea we may or no
apology for today's impossible task, but more importantly, we're delighted
to welcome Tara, back to the podcast.
Welcome back to UK.
Tara: Welcome.
Hi trains you.
Thank you so much for having me on the show again.
And this is such, we were just talking about it.
This is such a fun challenge to have to choose.
Five scenes from the MCU this year.
It feels almost impossible, but just the whole process of thinking through it
again and revisiting some favorite scenes from the year was just so delightful.
So I'm so excited to do
Trey: this with you guys.
It's super excited.
I'm so glad you could join.
Jude: Like I was saying, I was just nervous.
Trey: Yeah.
You know, I I've taken some inspirations from one of my favorite podcasts
or where they do like their top five favorite games of the year.
And the thing that always makes it so exciting is that most places do
top tens and to distill it down to just five makes it that much harder.
And I'm curious to see how this is going to play out.
I'm I'm wondering how much overlap we'll have as well as how diverse
these may end up being as well.
More importantly, uh, for those who are unaware, you run the podcast.
There was an idea of Marvel cinematic universe podcast.
Uh, if people are not familiar, uh, normally you cover the shows
that happened to be running as long as well as the movies.
It's going to be a while before we have anything new in the MCU.
So what's on the docket for there wasn't any.
Yeah.
So
Tara: when this episode of your show drops, my episode on my 2021 MCU
year in review episode will be out.
And that was really fun.
I didn't distill it to five scenes like we're doing here, but I did choose a
few categories for some super relatives.
So I had on a Ellie from, oh, shoot, who I know has been on your show
before, as well as Sean from the caption life who I know is a kind of
in our circle of, of podcasts, friends.
I don't know if you guys have had the chance to work with him yet.
Um, but they came on and we talked about some supper relatives for 2021,
our rookie of the year, our MVP, best quote, best dress, things like that.
So that was a fun approach to thinking about the, you know, reflecting on
the past year in the MCU as well.
So look out for that.
And I'm also going to be doing.
This month on my top 20 favorite films of 2021 overall.
So both MCU films and non MCU films, which is a little bit of a departure for
me, but I'm looking forward to branching out a little bit and, uh, sharing some
recommendations about things that I really enjoy that are not necessarily MCU.
And I will also be doing a Hawkeye series retrospective and an Eternals
deep dive analysis with friend Daniel coming up later in January as well.
So some exciting things looking back a little bit, uh, before
then looking ahead to what the MCU will bring us in the rest of 2020.
Jude: That's awesome.
Yeah.
I'm glad you said yet for Sean.
Cause we in the works
Trey: and you know, I want to say you talked about this recent
episode that just came out.
There's been this funny timing that every time we've had you on, it happens
to be the day you released an episode.
And so I haven't gotten to listen to it yet, but I'm very, very much looking
forward to it because as evident in the drafts that we've done together with
you, and in the way you just described your super purlative, uh, categories, I
love the different and creative ways you come up with those superlative names,
Sarah, very much looking forward to that.
Tara: Thank you.
I'm looking forward to hearing your picks as well when you do listen to
the episode, because it was cool to see how they're just like you were
saying before Trey, there were some.
You know, particular characters or moments where the three of us, myself, myself,
Sean, and Ellie were all kind of, of the same minds about certain standouts.
And then there were some where we had vastly different responses.
So it's always kind of cool to see what stands out for certain people and
what patterns emerge kind of among all of us as viewers and fans, uh, versus
more of that personal taste element.
So it's a.
Trey: And of course, if you are not already, you should definitely
be subscribed to Tara's podcasts.
There was an idea, a Marvel cinematic universe podcast on most podcasts
platforms, as well as following them on social media at an idea, underscore
podcasts, both on Twitter and Instagram very much worth the following.
But of course, if you downloaded this episode, then you know, we are going to be
discussing the best Marvel scenes of 2021.
Now, the way we're going to do this is we're going to take some moments for
some brief overall thoughts of the year with the MCU before jumping into the
spoiler zone to discuss our personal top five scenes from those same entries.
So starting with you, Tara, what did you think about 2021.
Oh,
Tara: well, when I sat down with Sean and Ellie, actually, I, I
wasn't sure what to say about this.
So I kind of posed it to them, uh, first asking them about, you know,
what, what are the qualities that stand out about the MCU in 2021?
And there were a few things that emerged out of that discussion about.
Uh, some trends that we're seeing in where the MCU is going.
And, uh, certainly in some of the standout installments that were released this year,
that I don't think people are going to forget about anytime soon, whether that
be for breaking records in a really a positive way, like let's say Spiderman,
no way home and shattering pandemic box office box, office records among others.
Uh, and then you have on the other end of things, a film like a terminals
making headlines for having the first ever rotten score on rotten
tomatoes for an MCU film, you know, for whatever that's worth to anybody
who that may be worth something too.
But, you know, it was part of the discourse around that movie.
So we, we have that.
And for me though, you know, what I'm always looking at is conceptually
in terms of the big ideas in terms of the, there was an idea about
what is 2021 saying, and from.
Looking at the installments that we saw this year, I'm looking at this concept
of legacy, this bridge storytelling of connecting the infinity saga and
old favorite characters with the new kind of leading us into whatever our
next big destination is going to be.
Whether that is going to be a, a new, big.
Villain along the lines of banjos, whether that's going to be the
multi-verse, uh, opening up further and what that's going to look like.
I really see 20, 21 as this bridge.
And I, um, was really interested in seeing what this year had to say about
our heroes identity stories, because that's something that I'm always really
interested, interested in as well.
And this was a big year for characters coming face to face with themselves.
Uh, certainly metaphorically and, uh, also sometimes literally in
the case of some of our heroes.
So I thought that was a really cool, cool trend that emerged
Jude: as well.
Yes.
I, I say I like that you bring that up cause it's man like going all
the way back to Wanda vision through that's it's it seems like the big
villains have been this conceptual.
Idea, our feeling or emotion, um, less than just a simple person.
And, and that that's, like you said, forced these characters to take
a really hard look in the mirror.
Yeah.
And
Trey: I like the way you have described it as a bridge from the infinity
saga to where they want to go next.
Um, because if I, you know, jumping in here with what I felt about the
year overall, it really feels like an ambitious step forward for the MCU,
because I think the standout for the year is Disney plus because that is the new
arena in which they are working with.
Like they've already got the movies down to a science, and there's never been a
doubt with that when it comes to what they're doing, but the strides that they
have made with the entries of the TV show side of things, Yeah, it's, it's hard to
say where exactly that's going to fit all together because I don't think we've quite
seen an integration to the movies yet.
Although I have a feeling that's coming this year, but the first
step of the Disney shows being as good as they've been that year.
Um, it's, it's felt incredibly ambitious and I'm excited for what they have coming
Tara: about Disney plus I think that is also going to be a, an unforgettable, uh,
distinguishing factor about 20, 21 in the MCU, because that experience of being able
to follow the installments in week to week releases generated so much conversation.
And as we know, speculation and prediction and a sense of community
at a time when, during the pandemic, I think that felt very resonant.
Um, and I definitely think that that is always going to
be part of the conversation when we look back on 2021 and.
Evaluate the success of the Disney plus side of the MCU.
I think that as you said, traits, it's, it's bold, it's risky to change up
the style of storytelling and then to try to interweave that style with what
they've already done so well for so many years and, you know, so far, in
my opinion, I think it has been really
Jude: effective.
So one of the things I'm curious about is do you feel like,
um, and I'll just say, right.
I don't think it has, for me, the COVID had kind of a negative impact on, on the,
on the viewing order and the change, or do you think that actually helped it?
I know
' Trey: cause originally Falcon in the winter soldier.
Was this supposed to be the first Disney plus show and I think that.
Would have been after black widow, right?
I think, and this is where my own bias is coming in.
I think the fact that COVID did shake up the schedule and a Wanda vision was the
first thing to come out of Marvel studios, not just on Disney plus, but just overall
from the movies are the TV shows I think has cemented such a solid re-entry after
having such a long hiatus because of the unfortunate delays with, with COVID that I
don't know if that would have been as big of a shockwave across the, the internet,
whenever one division started, if it would have been Falcon in the winter soldier,
because one division captured everybody, like even people who weren't into the MCU,
everybody was talking about that show.
Um, so I think, I think, yeah, that the, the rescheduling of the release has, um,
made a huge difference with the original
Tara: plan.
I can't imagine one division not having been.
Disney plus show, I think in terms of the reception of black widow,
I think, and y'all know how kind of protective I have over them.
So I, I think that it, it certainly suffered not only from the many delays
and the fact that as many people, many people understandably believe
that the character should have had her own standalone film much earlier.
And I agree with that as well.
I don't think it harms this film in the same way that others do.
But in addition to the delays, I do think the shift in black widows placement, I
think it suffered for it a little bit.
I think the impact of it, the reception of it suffered a little bit.
I think also the simultaneous theatrical and Disney plus.
Yeah, it's suffered from.
Um, so that is something that looking back on it, I, I kind of wish it went a little
bit differently for that movie, but I 100% agree with everything that traces in terms
of the Disney plus side of things like it.
I cannot imagine it being anything other than one division because it was just
so perfect that one of that one division was that love letter to TV, and really
played with the serialized format.
Trey: So well,
Jude: yeah.
Yeah.
I completely agree with you on, on both the accounts, the one vision
and the black widow, you know, it was just such a fantastic way.
Uh, to kick it off now I know Trey would, would, um, you
know, he held back a little bit.
I think he wanted what F to be first, um, get it out, just get it out of the way.
And
Trey: yeah, you know, it would have been like a nice little 24 to 28
minute morsel of MCU to start out after having nothing for so long.
We've been a great way to ease into it.
Well, with that being said, I think that's a good overview of how we
thought about the MCU in 2021.
And I think it's time to jump into the spoiler zone so we can talk
about our top five scenes of 2021.
So like we said, you're going to hear an audio cure.
And on the other side, it'll be fair game for all spoilers in the MCU.
So with that being said, we'll see.
On the other side
and we're back.
All right.
We have five TV shows, four movies, a total of nine projects.
We have to pick the five best scenes from these entries and Tara again,
Jude: made it worse.
Okay.
Trey: Listen, it's part of my job.
I got to, I got to hype this up
Jude: call lifeline
Trey: Tara.
I am so sorry, but to throw to you first, what is your
number five top scene in 2021.
Tara: All right.
So I mentioned before we started recording that coming into this discussion
tonight, I had six on my final list.
And so I am going to cut number six for now, and I'll mention it in a
little bit as an honorable mention.
It was really tough.
And even just thinking about choosing scenes for me, I was texting you
guys about this earlier today.
I was like, oh, do I go with the thinking part of my brain?
Or do I go with like my feelings?
Right.
Am I going with the scenes that upon reflection upon rewatch feel like they
say something that connects to these overarching themes of 20, 21 in the MCU?
Or do I go with things?
I just really in the moment felt really strong, right?
Like, um, I was talking with Sean the other night for my episode.
And he was choosing, we did our top favorite scene on that episode.
So I've had to choose one already and stick to that one.
But one of the things that he was talking about in, in choosing his scene
was that he was going with like the visceral reaction he had in the moment.
So I try to land with some combination of both thinking and feeling here, and that
is all to say that I'm providing far too much context for just getting into it.
But my number five scene is going to be from Hawkeye season one, episode three.
Clint's phone call with his son,
Trey: Nate.
That is an incredible choice.
Jude: That is a really, really good choice.
Trey: So I
Tara: chose the scene because it really made me feel for a character
who I previously didn't have a deep connection with and a character Clint,
who has been in the MCU for so long.
And I've enjoyed some of his scenes.
I've poked, funded him in other places, but I didn't
have that connection with him.
And here we have the scene in 2021 where I'm like, oh, I get it.
Like, I thought it was beautifully acted by Jeremy Renner.
So much of this year has been about recontextualizing what came before for
me, I think a lot of the installments this year, Have really done a great
job, especially the Disney plus series of filling in some gaps for us in
really being able to zoom into certain characters and understand them better.
And with a, so think about a show like monovision, for example, after seeing
that you go back to, or I go back to a film like age of Ultron and it feels
better, like it recontextualizes it.
And there's more that I appreciate from it.
So with Clint here, this really operated in that way.
And not only that, um, so I felt like it, for me emotionally, it did something
to me as a fan that I wasn't necessarily expecting in making me connect with him.
Um, but it also was really important for the narrative of the Hawkeye show
because it's kind of the scene, I think is a bit of the same piece as
the car chasing, which I almost chose in the same episode, the car chase
scene, because in that scene, you see.
Clint kind of teaching Kate without teaching Kate it's, it's her learning
from him, the trick arrows on the fly, in the middle of the action.
And that's all of the cool stuff about being a hero.
That's the rush.
That's the exhilaration, the scene where she's watching him on the
phone with his son and helping out because he can't hear anything.
That's the scene in which she learns about what you can lose.
Uh, that's the scene in which he's demonstrating to her indirectly.
The other side of what's involved in being a hero, the risks and the sacrifices.
And she hasn't learned it yet, but it's set up here to unfold
for the rest of the season.
So it's just wonderfully acted on both of their parts.
And I, um, yeah, I had to have it on my list because it, it
just, it really spoke to me.
Jude: No, it's a fantastic scene.
That was a man that should have been on my list.
That was hard.
Cause there's so much stuff to leave off because it was heartbreaking for me.
Uh, it's a watch to watch that, uh, I am a dad, you know, and have kids.
And so like, I, I really related to that.
Uh, but also my parents divorced when I was really little and not the deaf part,
but like, I remember being the little kid on the other end of that phone call.
Uh, and so like, so yeah, like that, that scene was really, really meaningful to me.
Yeah.
It's fantastic.
Trey: 100% a great pick and definitely I'll reveal too.
Definitely.
One of the ones that didn't make my top five, that just made me so sad
that I couldn't find a place for it.
But, uh, you know, I like the way you talked about how this was a character,
that wasn't something, it wasn't something that resonated with you before this.
And I mean, that's what stories are right.
There are about change.
And sometimes that's within the character narrative, or I think within the
perception of the external audience.
And so watching the audience at large go from being unmoved by
Hawkeye to now referring to them as Clint Barton, more widely that is
speaks through the power of that.
Can
Tara: I just add one more thing too.
I feel like I've already talked about the scenes too much about
that one scene too much, but I love that this is his son, Nate as well.
Right.
And, and we have seen their relationship with his daughter, which is also
really powerful and he has his other son, but maybe this is black widow
Stan in me coming out a little bit too much, but this is Nate, right?
Like Nate is named for Natasha and Nate is his youngest.
And there's so much of the weight that he's carrying from
Natasha, the loss of Natasha.
And I just feel like that it made it just that little, extra bit
more emotional to me that it's specifically him who on the phone
Jude: and how well that worked out.
Right?
Like, you know, maybe they were playing that way out, back at the age
of Ultron because it was that scene.
How's little Natasha and she's pregnant.
And she says, it's Nathaniel.
Uh, to be able to call back to that.
Trey: Yeah.
So good.
Alright.
Jude, what about you?
What is your number five tops,
Jude: man, I'll be honest, listening to Tara's qualifications and thought process.
I made a quick rearrangement.
I was like, oh, wait.
I'm number five.
And I feel like, like, I'm going to be the Nita redemption episode.
Um, cause thinking about the draft the first time and the movies I ended up with,
although I was still happy with what I had, um, You know, but my number five,
Trey: but moving along, we're now circling back to you, Tara,
what is your number foreseen?
Tara: Okay, so at the number four spot, I have a C.
From Sean MACI and the legend of the 10 rings.
It is the scene during which Sean, she and Katie are on the bus in San Francisco.
And it's the first big action scene in the film.
Well, the first actions she, excuse me, the first action scene with shonky
obviously there's the, uh, the prologue to the movie with his father when we, but
I chose this moment because it was tough.
I really, really love the sequence of scenes in.
Um, in, in Cianci as well, but I chose this one because this is our moment of
introduction to a new hero, seeing the way that he fights the way he uses his
clothes and the props around him and that sort of Jackie, Jackie Chan style,
um, seeing what it is that causes him to spring into action in this moment, which
is his concern for his friend, Katie.
And we talked about this Trey, when you and I did the deep dive episode
on Sean, Kai, the way that that film uses the action sequences to express
or demonstrate something about the characters is really, really well done.
So.
This is also the scene in which we see the pendant on, on his chest, which
is this significant objects for him representing his connection to his mom.
And this is before we really learned about his full story in his past.
And there's that moment in which Katie just looks at him after he's
been able to beat off these guys.
And she's just like, holy shit.
Who are you?
And that's the question of the movie.
Right?
Um, so I think it's just to me, it's like such a well-done example of what
the MCU is all about and what the MCU does so well, this combination.
Incredible action.
Just like you can't take your eyes off of it and be thinking about that
visceral, visceral reaction criteria here.
Like the first time I saw this in the theater, I was like, oh my God, just
like watching the scene as the bus is traveling along and they're moving
from the front towards the back of the bus and the music is incredible.
And, um, it's just that comedy, there's humor in the scene with the guy, what's
his name, cliff, the YouTube guy.
And, um, and there's, it's just fantastic to me.
It's like prime, what the MCU can do and watching the behind the scenes
of it in the assembled documentary was pretty awesome as well.
Trey: Yeah, the moment you said Shung G I had the biggest smile on
my face and it's an amazing pick.
And just to like, add in that space, like the, cause we, like you said, we
talked about it a lot here on this show and on your show that we did together.
And I can't stop thinking about the, the way one of my favorite podcasters.
Jeff, Kanada talked about it on the film cast, which I think is
the summation of everything that I tried to convey about that scene.
So often superhero stories are about the person learning who they are.
Shonky knows who he is and he's been running for it.
And the way that this demonstrates who he is to everyone else, except
him who already knows is beautiful.
So I went a hundred percent.
Love your pick.
So
Tara: good.
I want to watch it right now.
Jude: Yeah, I was going to say, I think Sean, she is the tray with
black widow is to, to Tara here.
Tara: I think that's a good analogy.
Trey: 100%.
All right, dude.
Uh, what about you?
When is your number four pick?
Jude: All right.
Let's see.
Let's put all my, the rest of the remaining selections
of the random generator here.
Um, Number four is I haven't titled Yulaina and Kate Bishop meet cute.
Um, or where they meet at the apartment.
This is one of those scenes that I've probably watched more than any other.
Well, I'd probably let's put it this way if you counted.
And like back to back the number of times, and just there might've been
the length of an episode or more like, I just, I keep going back to
the scene and going back to the scene.
Um, and I don't know at first I wasn't sure what, uh, struck me so much about
the scene and, you know, outside of the chemistry, it was phenomenal, but it came
to me that seeing this is what the future of the MCU is going to be, you know?
And there was this, I dunno for everybody if it's on the fan, but for me, for sure,
with the end of in game and this kind of, oh, where are they going to go now?
Don't have Robert Downey Jr.
Anymore.
You don't have, um, sculpture Hanson anymore.
You know who these new characters going to be?
What's it going to be like in the, in to see these two brand new characters
interact, um, and have such chemistry, it just, it just made me so excited
for what the future is going to be.
Um, so yeah, that's, that's, that's why this is in, uh,
Trey: Love that pic.
And I gotta be honest.
I've been trying to guess what I think is going to be everybody's
favorite scene they're number one.
And I legitimately thought that was going to be number one, just because
of how much that I, cause I knew cause we would talk about it as we
were getting ready for our podcast.
How much you had that on repeat.
So, uh, very happy to see it make you listen.
I, and for all the reasons listed, I think, uh, I think it's a great pick.
Tara: You spoke about it because I don't have it on my list and I, I don't know
why I just needed to make room for other things because I think it's clear how
much I love Julina and Kate and Hawkeye and black widow and the whole thing.
So everything you said, Jude, I completely agree with, it was such a dynamic
scene to watch the two of them interact and the, um, in the finale as well.
The elevator scene is also absolutely incredible, but.
Just to echo what you're saying that first time that they're on screen
together, that at the Mac and cheese scene is just, I think we will absolutely
look back at that as the moment that something very, very magical began.
Jude: Yeah.
Just that whole, this yummy macaroni, macaroni tastes like.
It's delicious.
No, I'm not growing.
I know what boxed Mac and cheese tastes like.
It's delicious.
Oh yeah.
Right when the door opened.
Yeah.
You wouldn't have time to know, like you see what I mean?
Like I got it down.
I even ended up myself.
This is crazy.
Oh, by the way, next time your friend Yulaina hang out.
Um, you know, let's just let them know.
We said hi.
Tara: Yes.
Uh, listeners will have to tune into, we'll have to check
out my Hawkeyes episode six.
Podcast episode to know what you mean.
Jude: Yeah.
Your special
Trey: guest.
I got to say that that's a huge get as a podcast guest.
Tara: I don't want your listeners to actually think I had,
Jude: you didn't
Tara: know.
I don't say Florence Pugh.
I say Yulaina as if she's a real person, but she's
Trey: real to me.
Jude: Who's this Florence Pugh.
You speak up.
Oh man.
Sorry.
Uh, Trey right here.
Trey: Four I'm here comes number four.
Okay.
Here it comes.
And I'm bracing myself because I, again, I apologize already earlier, Tara, for any
fights we may have, uh, with me and Jude.
Oh boy.
Jude: Oh my gosh.
Here we go.
Trey: Number four.
This is actually one of the harder ones, even though it's at number four, because
the episode that I pulled this from, there were so many different scenes that were
pulling for my attention for this spot.
But there was something about this scene in episode five of Falcon in the
winter soldier truth, where it's around the 30 minute and 36 second mark, where
they start the boat fixing montage.
Uh, if you listen to our coverage, I think I frequently would pretty much yell out.
I love.
Because I love so much of what they were doing narratively about that boat.
And, you know, I, to preface what I meant by the fight, you know, Jude and
I have gone back and forth about the truck in the finale of the episode.
For me and what I'm looking for in the character of captain America,
I think this scene is the standout moment of that season because it
embodies so much of what I am looking for in the captain America character.
It's, you know, even, even back in the Steve Rogers days, the thing that I always
would say is that captain America is not the smartest, fastest or strongest.
He is that.
And hope and that resilience too, to keep doing the right thing and the
way at this 30 minute mark, the way it leads into it is Sam is inspiring the
people of this town that knew his family to all come in, to help fix the boat.
And they're all contributing in different ways.
And that sense of community that inspires.
It brings me to tears.
Like that's, especially with the last few years we have had, you know,
that is such a beautiful scene to me.
And it continues to build because the person that they introduced in
that scene as well is Bucky who at this point in the season, him and
Sam are at odds and they used the fixing the boat as a way to fix their
relationship and to step even further.
The the way the scene ends is salmon.
Bucky have a conversation about what they're going to do about Carly.
Because up until this point, everybody has been adamant about the only
way to stop her is to kill her.
And you see Sam really wrestling with, that's not how he wants to do it.
And I think to juxtapose what Sam's wrestling with, what he's doing
with the community and what we know he ultimately does in wanting to
go, not necessarily a pacifist, but trying to neutralize the, the
disagreements in a more peaceful manner.
I think everything about that scene makes Sam captain American to me.
And I absolutely love it
Tara: just quickly.
You said the phrase, I love the boat and it made me think of a, a.
That Clint has about boats in the comic run the Hawkeye my life as a weapon.
So you definitely need to read that for many reasons because it's
fantastic, but there's a really great little line there about, about
boats that I think you'll enjoy.
Enjoy trace.
And ongoing bit for you here
Trey: on your show.
I'll check it out.
I did buy the, the collection.
So I'm slowly reading that.
Great.
Tara: I can't wait to hear what you think of it.
And also thank you so much for everything you said about that scene.
I don't have it on my list.
And I, when thinking about Falcon, winter soldier, and thinking about if
there was going to be a scene that I was going to choose to make the top five,
and there, there certainly are scenes from the show that make my top 8, 9, 10.
Um, but it would be, it would be that episode.
And I didn't kind of think to narrow it down any further than from that episode,
because it didn't make the top five for me, but I love that episode so much.
And I did recently rewatch it and that boat scene is wonderful.
So I think everything you said, speaking about who captain America
really is, is really shines
Trey: through there.
Jude: Oh yeah.
Yeah.
It was that that boat was the grounding tie, right.
To, for family, um, Falcon.
You know, uh, family has passed that he was running from, uh, fixing that, you
know, fixing his issues moving forward.
It was great.
No, I thought Trey was going to go with that quick moment of winter soldier,
holding the cake and doing the little sidestep from the kid on the dock.
Uh, you know, and as we tend to do here and rewrite things, if we, that in fight
would have been at the dock and it would have been a boat instead of a truck
would have knocked it out of the park.
Trey: You can't, you, if this was video, you would see I'm just
hunched over waiting for women.
So, yeah, that's uh, that's my number four.
Jude: Nice.
It was a good pick.
Trey: All right, we're coming back to you.
Tear out.
What is your number three pick.
Tara: My number three moments.
So hard to put that moment at number three.
Jude: I know you got two more better than that one.
Trey: Yeah.
I got to say I'm amazed that none of us have had an overlap so
far and that's, I'm so excited.
Jude: Well, that's the beauty of having like a list of 15 and I can listen
Trey: and be like, dang it.
All right, dude, you're up next?
What's your number three.
Jude: Number three for me comes from Loki.
And again, it's just one of those scenes that just really stuck with me, you know?
And I mean, you listen to the pod, you know, that Loki, as it was
coming out and watching it, I went back and forth on it and it low-key.
The series is probably my, not probably it's my it's.
It's my third favorite of the Disney plus shows, um, with, with
Hawkeye and Wanda vision above.
But the scene and the time prison with lady SIF was just super
moving and powerful for me.
Um, just this whole idea of, well, and I talk about this a little bit with
my seniors, just this whole idea of solitude and, and the importance of
being comfortable sometimes alone by yourself and, and being aware of those
times when you get moments of solitude and you can't, um, when you look for
something to fill it, you know, and, and why, why are we looking to fill it?
Why can't we just be still and, and, and content with just us.
Um, and now I know that's how I look at the time prison.
Look, he's not there, but just like, just as representation of,
of these things you do and how they weigh us down and to, to see him.
Being faced with that and faced with that and faced with that
until the point where he, he has to finally wrestle with it, it comes to
terms with like, yeah, I did that.
I'm that person and I should have known, you know, and that, so I just loved that
the way they were able to creatively within that world, um, have him.
Face his own, his own demons and temperament.
I
Trey: really, really like that pick.
Um, that's a moment that definitely stood out to me as well.
Um, and, and, and to walk through this, like the music in Loki was always good
from the beginning, but it isn't that scene that it really hit me how expertly
they were using them, the music, because that end of that scene when SIF, I can't
remember the exact words, but she says something like you will always be alone.
And it just, the camera stays on Loki's face with that realization, even after he
has come to terms with who he is and the music has just underscoring that moment.
Um, and I'm great pic, I'm so glad that you have that on your list.
Yeah, well, I'm
Jude: glad you brought up that line.
You always be alone because it is that, that, you know, that difference of like
a solitude is not loneliness, you know?
Um, and, and solid, you know, solitude is not like solitary confinement, like
no, like solitary, like I, you know, um, I'm in the car, you know, I think
of it personally, like if I'm in the car and I notice, um, you know, if a
podcast not playing, if something's not going, am I, can I just be with
myself and be okay or my like, trying to feel the time and the space and,
and, uh, and if that's the case, what's wrong with me, I'm not wrong with me.
Like I have a problem, but like what internally is, is bothering me.
So I'm really glad you brought up that line there.
Um, cause it's not the same thing.
And when you F when you can't even be comfortable with yourself,
you know, that's, that's an extreme kind of loneliness.
Tara: Well, yeah, I really appreciate what you're saying about this scene.
So it's a kind of echo what Trey was saying before.
I think that here you talk about this from this perspective, dude gives
me more of an appreciation for that scene from lucky, which I hadn't, uh,
I hadn't really been thinking about.
So man, this is great.
This is a great conversation to revisit some of these moments and see what
resonates for, for different people.
Trey: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
I wasn't, uh, it wasn't expecting to be hit with those fields.
Jude, I liked the way that you explained that that's got me
rethinking a lot about that scene now.
You know, I had just said, I'm so happy we have not had any overlap.
So whenever you said your third pit came from low-key, I kind of tensed
up for a second because my third pick is also from low-key, but it
is in a different scene, which is
Jude: seeing sings come home when she come home.
Trey: Yes.
Uh, my scene comes from episode six for all time, always.
And it's around the 19 minutes and 34 second mark.
And I'm, I'm willing to catch some flak on this one because this feels like cheating
since this is essentially Kanga monologue.
And I think it goes on for close to like eight minutes.
So this is all a whole lot of bang for one pick of a S of a scene.
But the thing that I think is so special about this is so much of
what Loki was examining the series.
What Loki was examining is futility.
Like what are, what does choice matter if, if nothing matters
and, and so much of that sentiment is what they were playing with.
So to have this moment where we see our two central characters meet with
this almost embodiment of futility and have him explain through.
His reasonings of why he, he, he came to be, you know, and, and the way
that it was being demonstrated with those little clay figures that he
was controlling and the way that he would effortlessly flip between being
electric, to being bored, to being tired.
Jonathan majors is just putting on one of the best performances.
In the 20, 21 season of the MCU and it's perfect.
Like I just, I was captivated from start to finish of that scene.
And I even talked about it when we had our episode review of that specific
scene where I said it felt like the MCU, babe Ruth thing, and pointing to where
they're going to go for the next 10 years.
And so I, I just love it.
Um, I mean, I, how could I not pick a scene that has the line
you came to kill the devil?
Right.
Well, guess what I keep you safe.
If you think I'm evil, just wait until you meet my variants.
And every time I have that line in my head, it gives me shivers,
Tara: such a good pick.
And I'm thinking about what.
About the Kate and Elena scene, you know, and having that feeling
of like, Aw man, we're in for something great with the future of
the MCU, I feel that way about them.
And I also feel that way about Jonathan majors, uh, because of
everything you just said, Trey,
Trey: well,
Jude: I'm not going to get sidetracked right here.
Stop.
I saw myself tell myself, no, I'm not.
So like the king pin, like, this is what I mean of like, like what you
just said, like you got so much was so.
And we're not going to see him until 20, 23.
And it's just that anticipation and that waiting and that's, uh, they
had Kingston did too much, but, okay.
Trey: So number two for you is kingpin, right?
Jude: Uh, I'm kidding.
I'm not commenting on that just yet.
Since I have two scenes left to go, it might not be number two.
It could be number one, you'll find out
Trey: well and anticipation of fighting out.
We can go ahead and move on to Tara or you're at number two.
Okay.
Tara: So this, this was the, uh, the hardest choice for me because I, I
want to say the movie black widow.
Jude: I knew, I knew that was going to happen.
Tara: Uh, I'm not going to do that, not going to do that.
I thought very hard about it.
So I also, I, I don't know if I've set this on social media.
I did say this on my 20, 21 year in review episode.
If I am considering all factors and ranking the films of the MCU in 2021, I
do like squeeze black widow out of the top spot and put Spiderman away home
there because that's in taking into consideration some criteria like the,
the nostalgia and the culmination and the event of it all, which is why Spiderman
kind of gets that top spot for me.
But when it came to the moments here, I, black widow felt like it had to be higher
because I have rewatched black widows so many times, and these moments, I just feel
so close to so many of the moments and I.
I actually kind of revisited my, my first impressions episode that I did
for the podcast when black widow first came out to see if I could get, um, get
some sense of what my past self, what really resonated that, that my past self
in terms of choosing one moment here.
And all I talk about in that first impressions episode is like, yes,
like how much as it was unfolding, it felt really special to me.
And, um, yeah, I almost went with the.
For the way that it set the tone for the film and really suggested, wow,
we're getting into some territory here of really acknowledging just how
traumatic and terrible Natasha's past really was and just how much that
makes her survival and her strength.
All the more.
But, uh, I apologize for talking about scenes that aren't actually my scene.
I know it's, it's, I'm a waste of time,
Trey: but it's all contextual.
Jude: I realize, I, I say we, we realize how painful it is.
Um, like I was surprised that you were going to pick any individual scene because
of the pain of having to cut up the film.
Uh,
Trey: and if I could just like interject here to its cause on that
topic of like how we have watched your love of this film developed.
Whenever we did the second draft episode, I had went back and listened
to that first one, just in preparation.
Funniest things to me is at the end or the beginning.
I can't remember.
We were talking about black widow and we were all discussing about like
what our plans were to go watch it.
And I think you had just gotten the AAMC pass and you're like, oh, I, you
know, I'm going to go see it maybe once.
And we asked like, oh, are you gonna get it on Disney plus two?
And you're like, ah, probably not.
That was before you had seen it.
And just to get that glimpse of where you were at to where you
have come has been fantastic.
Tara: Isn't it fun sometimes to revisit older episodes of the
podcast and really see, see how much a change and growth happens.
So I guess, you know, despite all that, the moment that I did land on.
Is quite, quite a long scene.
I think I went a little bit more with a sequence as opposed to a scene,
but Natasha and Yulaina, they are at the gas station and there are these,
this scene or sequence of scenes encompasses the humor of the pose
that you do, your fighting pose.
It encompasses the pain and the insecurity that these two characters have when
Yulaina says to her, oh, you know, if someone attacks an Avenger, one of
the big ones will come to a venue and she's like, oh, who are the big ones?
Um, when, and so, you know, Natasha's insecurity there.
Uh, you know, Elena's insecurity the face that she makes when Natasha says
you weren't really my sister and she bites back the vendors, aren't really
your family or at this tension between the two of them and the incredible.
Incredible line.
When Natasha says all the time I spent posing, I was trying to do something good
and make up for the pain and suffering.
We cause trying to be more than a trained killer.
And when Julina says I'm not the killer, that little girl's called
their hero there, they're learning so much about each other here.
So much of these two characters who these two people are as being revealed
to us and why I chose this is because this is our last real installment
of Natasha Romanov in the MCU.
And I love how much her presence is felt in the Hawkeye show.
I love how much her presence is felt in 2021.
Um, because, because I do miss her and I, and I don't think that end
game necessarily, um, uh, took, took the time to really acknowledge
what her loss meant as much.
Um, but now we have this new character in the MCU Yulaina as you guys
have already talked about, who is setting up so much for the future.
So in this scene where.
Saying goodbye to Natasha and we're reflecting on who she's been and
we're also greeting Yulaina and we're learning about her and we're
seeing where she's going to go.
And that gas station scene then kind of leads into when they're
outside drinking a beer and they have more of that conversation,
learning more about each other.
And, um, some tenderness when Natasha helps you Elena with like, with her wound.
So just like there's so much healing, there's so much related to the ideas
of identity and family and choice here.
And of course, then that leads into there in the car and the vest moment.
So again, it's what the MCU does so well of combining that humor and that heart.
And, um, yeah, I that's, that's kind of like three scenes in one, but,
uh, Natasha and Elena and they're, they're learning each other in
black widow has gotta be online.
Trey: I love that.
I love the way he had walked through that, uh, much like with w you know,
with Jude and trying to guess what I thought was going to be his number
one and what was going to be yours.
I was under the impression that number one would be something black widow
related, and, and this isn't a knock on the movie, but just, there's so many
great moments that I couldn't figure out.
What is the moment that encapsulates it or defines it as a scene pick.
And you found it like, of course, even though the black widow scholar,
uh, I loved your description.
Thank you.
Tara: It was tough because it's such a
Jude: good such, I love that.
You're going to have to change.
Add that to your bio black Twitter, black women, black winter.
What's up.
What's a winter.
Um, black widow,
black widow scholar.
I
Tara: could have a scholar.
I like it.
I'm going to put that on my email signature.
Jude: Please do, please do.
And I'm talking about your work one?
Tara: Yes, yes, yes, exactly.
Not the podcast one.
The work one only.
Trey: All right, Jude, number two.
Jude: Oh man.
The Hawaiian shirt.
Sorry.
Number two.
God, this was difficult.
I'm going to be honest.
Um, I jokingly.
At first, I jokingly said, you know, our, this whole listening
to Tara and rearranging it.
Um, but I actually did this one, jumped up to number two, listening to you.
And my number two comes from the internals.
Uh, it's the fastest kiss and the internals and the, it was, I mean,
there's more to that scene, but, but, uh, taking my oldest to the theater
and when that happened on screen, like they, oh, my heart is jumping like that.
Like, that's the quote.
Um, and so it was just, it was so
Tara: cool.
I'm glad that you mentioned that Jude, because I think that moment of
representation and that moment of, uh, CA.
One of our heroes up on the screen, you know, having the type of relationship
that is not always depicted in these stories and have it be something
that felt so kind of natural in that moment was really, really powerful to
see, I think, for so many audiences.
And thank you for sharing that because that's, um, it's especially powerful
knowing that for young people seeing this it's something that speaks to them
Trey: even outside of what makes that scene special.
Just hearing the story about what, what your, you know, your child's reaction to.
It was fantastic.
And to speak about the scene itself.
You know, I remember one of the things I talked about Eternals
is that this is a movie that is as interested in these heroes.
And what they can do as it is interested in how they feel.
And I can also help, but remember one of the articles, I never found the
source for it, but I remember reading somewhere that one of the things that
they were talking about with writing these stories is that it's not enough
to see them go out and save the day.
You need to see them go home.
And what they're like in that home life and getting to see that moments of
Fastow's, who he was with his family.
And up until that kiss, like that's special.
That's not something you get to see often in the superhero movies.
And I am so glad that you have picked that on your list.
Jude: I love this.
You said child to cause there they're 13 counting down to 14 and I'm
trying to slow that down as much as
Trey: possible.
I guess I always get super concerned with privacy reasons on how to
refer and I will sit offspring.
Jude: Look for the longest time.
Hey, I was gonna say for the longest time Amaechi and I would just say progeny one,
two or three, because the names messed up.
We was just saying, Hey, come here.
I need you to clean the fridge.
Like I'm not kidding.
That's what they had answered to.
Trey: I started calling my niece and nephew thing one and thing two.
Tara: That's amazing.
So we're at Trey's number two,
Trey: right?
Jude: Yes.
I just went we're at Trey's number.
Trey: My number two pick, this is another one of the hardest ones because per entry,
I don't think I talked about this part of my method when it came to making this
list is I sat down and I tried to write the most impactful Steans I had by memory.
So I wrote down one of vision Falcon in the winter, soldier Blackwood, a low-key
and I just went through the release order.
And in each category I wrote down the list that I remember
just really standing out to me.
And one divisions, I think had the most of most moments per category.
And the moment I ended up going.
For my number two pick is in episode eight, called up previously on
around the 11 minutes and 46 seconds.
Mark, the revelation of why the sitcoms were so important to Wanda
and that glimpse into her family life and the tragedy of what that
was like and how it changed her life.
When that bomb exploded, everything, she knew that I called it a magic trick
whenever we discussed it, because I.
Generally don't like whenever they retrofit an idea to a character
that expressed none of that in prior and previous storylines.
And there was this lingering question throughout all of one
division for me of why is this taking the form of these sitcoms?
And as the season progressed, we kind of got to this idea like, okay, maybe this
is something she had as a home life, but I just couldn't see how they would
make that feel real and sentimental.
And I was just.
Almost on the floor, just smacked with how much that scene moved me because you
got that glimpse of how happy it made her.
And it made me forget the tragedy that was about to come because we knew her past
life from age of Ultron and what she had gone through that in that moment, I was
with them, excited watching those shows.
And when that bomb lands and reality snaps back into place, I was in tears.
And I think that moment will easily be one of the standout moments for all of the
20, 21 entries because of the magic trick.
They were able to pull off and the effectiveness at which
it just works as a scene.
Jude: Yeah, you're right.
That was the one thing I remember the most of that scene is just how
much that you knew it was coming and it, and they still were able to do.
Pull you out of that and get you immersed in that.
And, and then the a and their family.
Trey: Yeah.
I think, you know, Tara, you joked about wanting to put all of black
widow is your pick there's multiple entries that I wanted to do that just
adding episode eight of one division is what I wanted to put for number two.
Tara: Yeah.
Well, that's actually a good transition because it's my number one next, right?
Yes, it is.
Yes.
Okay.
Here we go.
It's a very, it's a very good transition because I, similarly we had a very
similar approach because I too, when you first presented us with this
task, I wrote down the installments and release order jotted down.
Okay.
What are the things that stood out.
Most, and I also had the longest list for one division and black widow, but
for one division and I episode eight.
Well, when we actually, the three of us, we did a one division
wrap up episode for my show.
And we talked about our top.
I think we did three favorite moments from the series.
And I think I kind of made that joke and said, oh, episode
eight is my number one moment.
Um, and I, at the time I chose as my number one moment, the
same moment that I'm choosing for my number one moment overall.
And that is after black widow after Spider-Man like, this has remained.
For me, my, my top moment of the year, I think partially just because
I am also thinking about the power of Wanda vision and just how special
it felt in those early weeks of 2021.
And I, you know, if I, if I had to choose my number one,
favorite installment of the.
Um, all factors considered it would be one division.
And I, yeah, I know it sounds a little bit like a surprise there, but it's just,
so I have this personal connection to it and I think it just, it just did so
much for, for the MCU and it just feels like such a singular moment in time.
And it's so incredibly rewatch Hubble and the number one scene
for me from episode eight.
It's so close to being the one that you chose Trey.
But for me, it's the scene when she goes into the memory with, with Agatha of her
envisioned out of vendor's compound, this is sometime after the death of Pedro.
So sometime between.
Age of Ultron and civil war.
And it's this moment of connection and tenderness between the two of them,
which was so important to see in this show, which, you know, the entire
conceit of the one division show was based around just how much love she
had for him and this extreme grief that came from the loss of, of that love.
And here we see again, kind of in this magical way, as you said
that they were able to pull off.
Um, so I'm filling in the gaps of establishing for us, these moments
of connection that the two of them would have had earlier on.
And it's also based around this moment in which they're watching a sit-com, they're
watching Malcolm in the middle and vision.
Can't understand why it's funny that the character is getting injured and how
do we know that he's not really hurt?
And she just says, it's not that kind of show.
And it's just such a good line that speaks so much to.
Who she is and how she relates to these sitcoms and how that manifested
itself out of her, in her grief.
Uh, it speaks to his character and how he's learning, how to be human.
When he says, you know, I've never had a loved one to lose.
So, I don't really know what this is like.
And it's a moment that, you know, again, thinking about first, watch it
really, really got me it that whole episode did, uh, there were a lot
of moments of tears in that episode, but especially this just the, the way
the two of them relate to each other.
And when he says the line, what is grief, if not love persevering, you know, listen,
it's become a little bit memorable now.
The what is blank, if not blank, persevering is a
really great meme template.
Um, but in the moment, you know, before any of that internet reaction, it just
felt so sincere and so beautiful, a very beautiful vision, vision quote.
So, and then they have a laugh at the end of it, right?
Like he's laughing at something on the TV and she's loosens up a little
bit and says, yeah, it was funny.
And this tender, this tenderness between the two of them, I.
I love it.
Uh, to me it really encapsulates so much of what one division was all about.
And one division encapsulates so much of what I loved about 2021 in the MCU.
Trey: Yeah.
I had a feeling there might be some overlap here with our picks
because I remember that moment in the wrap-up of said we were, we were
both very high on this episode and.
The I wanted the, I wanted to pick this scene, but I just kept coming back to
the, the one that I had at landed on.
But you highlight, what's so special about it.
And I, I think the thing that, to me, that stood out is that you have two
characters who are both feeling nothing from different perspectives, obviously
with Wanda and the trauma that she's going through, there is this feeling of loss and
not knowing how to express those emotions.
And you have vision who is literally just been born and doesn't know how to express
those emotions because he's learning and through each other, they learn.
And that is beautiful.
Yeah.
Jude: It's interesting that it, we mentioned vision gets all the best lines.
And like I said, that line is just such a powerful line.
And even the meat for some reason, uh, for me like the means of that, it just hasn't.
I don't say hasn't set.
Well, it's just, it just, I don't, I have a person that likes gifts and
I will have a complete conversation and gifts on text if you let me.
Um, and, but just with just that one there, I don't know.
I just feel, it just feels different and it is gifts.
And I just want to be clear.
I don't think there was any confusion.
Trey: Got it.
Before we started another horse that we continue to beat all here, dude.
What is your number one
Jude: pick?
So it was just really cool.
Uh, no, just kidding.
Not going to do that.
It's 20, 22.
I said, I'm leaving the truck behind.
I'm sending in our very first episode.
I only said I'm leaving it behind.
This is all I brought it up to say, I thought Kara and I were about to overlap.
Uh, my first scene was the opening sequence, the black widow through
the credits like opening scene all the way through the credits
that if for a couple of things in it, just, I remember watching it.
And just some thinking about how different it was and anything else
I had, or at least to me, it felt so different than anything else I
had seen in the MCU, uh, that, that segment, um, and how intense the opening
credits was like, and I was in tears.
I would like, I didn't get past that and my eyes were
watering and I was tearing up.
Um, and then so thinking about like, well, cause it's interesting of, of what that
was supposed to be film wise and before COVID like in terms of release order,
you know, and sort of have that be kind of the first thing and B imagine what it
was like to, to completely kick off the next set of MCU stuff with that scene
and really kind of make a statement of.
Okay.
You know, we had our fun and now let's, let's kind of dig in.
Um, and so, yeah, so for me, that's, uh, and honestly, I think that's probably why,
cause I know, and I've, I've got a little bit, uh, uh, pushback jokingly, so, um,
I'm gonna, I'm going to say it that I take it that way, but I had black widow is the
best movie of 20, 21 over no way home.
Then a big part is I felt like it just kind of what I'm saying right there.
The sense of it's it's yeah.
Part of black widow, we got MCU, but it, it just had such a feeling of,
you know, this isn't the MCU you're used to, um, it was female led.
Uh, we got Yulaina um, you know, we got.
Um, red guardian, we got like all of this stuff, that's wrapped up into it.
Uh, I liked the task master reveal, you know?
Um, and it's just all of that.
So yeah, it's drifted off into why I thought that was the better movie.
Um, but yeah, that opening sequence, uh, that has to be the best for,
Tara: so that you chose it to talk about it because I, I touched a
little bit on how the credits were almost my pick before the opening
sequence could have also been my pig.
Um, there, there.
Absolutely agree with you that there's something so uneasy
about that opening scene.
There's something so beautiful about it, the tension, and then when they're
in the car and listening to American pie, I could go on and on about it.
I think ultimately for me, I, in picking the scene that I picked,
it's it put it on my list.
I felt like I wanted to pick something that had Scarlet and Florence Pugh in it.
Um, but if I took that criteria out, I mean, this is just so incredible
at setting the tone for that movie.
And one of the best opening sequences out of any of these
Marvel films, in my opinion.
So good.
I think I agree with you.
I think it's a really underrated film and I think as a contained standalone
film, I think it's very, very successful.
And, um, you know, the Spider-Man movie has the event feel to it.
It has that culmination feel to.
Um, which kind of just puts it in a, in a separate category for me.
Um, but, uh, yeah, I'm glad that you, uh, shout it out Blackwater.
Trey: Yeah, I I'm so glad that that specific scene has made it into our
collective lists because it was one of the ones when I was making my list.
Whereas I kept thinking, how can I not have that somewhere?
And I don't, uh, but it is one of those scenes to even
just speak within the movie.
It is a scene that the reverberations of the effect that, that had the
tone that they set and that opening credits is felt through to the end.
And it is a wonderful pick June.
Cool.
Jude: Um, like Sandy
Trey: first, an extended drop of 2022.
Tara: So I think we know which installment tres number one is gonna come from,
but I'm, I'm really eager to hear.
Here, which scene, which scene it is you chose from what?
After,
Jude: wait, wait, can we guess, can we go?
Trey: I would, I would love to get to him.
Wow.
Tara: I'm serious guests or, or guests.
If what he chose from, what if,
Trey: uh, I would love to hear what you thought I would take from what?
Tara: No, no, no.
Um, no, you know what?
I don't want to step on your step on your toes.
I don't want to get, I want, I want you to share your number one
Trey: moment.
So, you know, Tara, you just talked about how, whenever you were trying
to pick something for black widow, you felt like it was appropriate to have
something with Natasha and Yulaina.
Yeah.
And I wanted to, to, to bounce off of that, because that specifically is
what helped inform my number one pick, uh, I don't think it's a surprise.
My pick comes from and whenever I talked about this, I think I have
highlighted three different scenes throughout three different points
that have stood out to me the most.
And Tara, you already picked one with the bus fight and we talked
about what makes that so special.
Uh, whenever I joined your podcast, we talked about, you know, I called
it a freaking tower sequence and how impactful it was to do that.
Uh, whenever they had the scene where he scaling the side of the building
with Katie and, uh, shall Ling.
But when I sat down to pick my number one, I could not pick a scene that
didn't have both Shung T and Wynwood.
And it is the scene around the one hour and 42 minute mark,
where they have the final clash of shonky and windmill with the rings.
Um, you know, so much of that movie is about Shung.
She wrestling.
Wanting to run from his father's influences, learning about his
mother's and embracing those influences while maintaining who he is as
a person and who he wants to be.
And on the flip side, you have woo, who I have said multiple times
is the emotional core of cheat.
Like the movie works the way it does because of his storyline and the work that
Tony Lee young has done within that film.
And so even though you can pull criticisms of the MCU doing its MCU
thing with CGI and so much going on this moment where they're fighting and
they have that call back where Shung, she is able to use the, the fighting
style that his mother had learned and was used in the beginning sequence when
a yang li and when we meet, uh, and then he uses that to finally overcome.
And we see that in doing so he's able to take control of the rings as well.
And he just throws them down at the foot of his father, because
he's learned that killing him is not the answer he's looking for.
He's truly trying to save his father and, you know, Jude, I think your child,
uh, has made references that the, the MCU is just littered with fathers.
And that is definitely true.
But what is special about Shang Chi is it's not just about the, these, the,
the son dealing with the father issue.
We get to go through that journey with the father himself.
And so.
The thing that hits me the hardest every time.
And that scene is right before, um, the, the soul eater emerges.
The last act that when we has with those rings is saving his son and
the movie opens up with, uh, the narration of Sean mother saying that
he could have done so much good with those rings, but instead conquered.
And the last act that he does is the final moment of good.
And it brings me to tears every time, because shank, she has one, not through
just physical violence, but he has one his dad over back to a moral side.
And it's beautiful.
And so that is my number one scene of 2021.
Tara: I'm so glad you chose that one.
Sure.
I, I, you know, I, that's why I didn't want to guess because I was like, you
know what, at anything that you were going to say about Shannon, she was going
to be incredibly poignant and powerful.
And I was like, I'm not going to go ahead and guess which one is going.
Uh, I that's such a good one.
And I think having one whew in there is really important to speaking to the
messages of that film and really trying to encapsulate what that film is all about.
Trey: Yeah.
There's so many good scenes.
Jude: Yeah.
I, I, I love how much you love that, that movie.
It just can go on and on.
And I just gush about that movie.
Um, and you're right.
We, when I saw it, uh, my oldest, um, who that I was like, that's wrong?
She said, oh, is this another dad movie?
That was actually almost in a top five moment Shang she's dad, uh, for me and
is I have it at six, uh, actually, uh, but, but it was, it was because of having
that moment and kind of that recognition of like, oh, what, and, um, you know,
and, and, and that's one of the things I'll never forget about that movie
is just that interaction that I had.
Uh, but yeah, I love it.
And also I love like what you said at the end, cause it's in terms
of the, the dropping the rings.
Cause anytime, you know, then she's done it.
Wow.
Off the top of my head twice.
Uh, you know, in my most favorite one is return to the
Jedi where you can have that.
Um, the redemption, you know, is not, it's not on that redemptive violence, right?
Where we're the hero or, or so to speak, you know, lays down the weapon, um, rather
than, you know, acting through violence.
I just love how they, when they, when they, um, when creators are able to create
Trey: that.
Yeah, it's, it's such a special moment when you can find a nonviolent
way to, to solve the problem.
And again, I say that knowing full, well, this is the MCU.
We're going to have that moment where strong she takes on the
dragon, which I still think is poignant, but that's not my pick.
But to have that, that realization that I don't need to overpower you
this way I can play to the person.
I know you can be.
I mean, not, I don't want to diminish it because I think Sean
cheat is their own character, but that is what that's a commonality
that I like within captain America.
The, the inspiration for better in the self and others.
And in that moment is a small distillation of what I like about that hero at.
Yeah.
Jude: So like you're right, like right at the end when, when John Walker took off.
Trey: So that's going to do it.
Thank you so much,
Jude: man.
I was really gonna throw a curve ball and say the first time we get to see John with
a shield that has to be traced in bro.
Trey: Tara saved me cause I knew that was coming.
So I'm going to leave it in the edit specifically.
You can see my voice go in two different directions and I just
leaned towards Tara, like, okay.
Yeah.
What is my favorite one?
Oh man.
Well, Hey.
Top five of 2021.
And
Jude: you know what sticks out to me the most is how much was left on the table,
Trey: I think.
Is there any scene that sticks out to anybody and it doesn't have
to be your honorable mention, but is there any one that you think
was going to make it that didn't?
Ooh,
Jude: Ooh.
I going to make it
Tara: what's
Trey: your astray Agatha all along.
Tara: Yes.
And that wasn't my number six either, but it was definitely on my list of
one division moments and I, I thought someone might bring it up just because.
Like for what it represented, like what a WTF moment.
I don't know about you guys, but like watching that for the first time, I was
like, oh, there's, there's a song now there's a feeling reveal and it's a song.
And like, it was just such a unique moment that really leaned into the
genre conventions at the sitcom thing.
And, uh, yeah, I, I'm glad that we brought it up here just to note it as a, certainly
a unique and special moment from the year.
Yeah.
Jude: I don't have a specific scene.
I'm just going to say, well, no, actually I haven't seen in mind,
but there's so many I'm surprised.
Trey: All right, Tara, I know you mentioned earlier, you
had some honorable mentions.
Is there any you wanted to list out?
Yeah,
Tara: I guess, you know, the one that was hardest for me to cut that I had
as a, an official number six that I had some notes on was from Loki specifically
episode one, his initiation into the TVA, because I thought that that was.
Such a great moment in terms of ushering in a new landscape for the MCU.
This was a new look and feel.
The aesthetics of the TVA are so interesting and how they have this
mid century modern kind of inspired style that feels both past and future.
And so ultimately somewhat timeless and here's, low-key a
very familiar character to us.
Who's thrown into an unfamiliar context and they're using him to introduce us
to new kind of riskier sides of the MCU and grounding us a little bit,
but also establishing the stakes.
When we see.
That, you know, he he's stripped of his ass guardian leather and, uh, and
really thrown into this environment.
So I wanted to have a chance to mention that as a, as a moment that I think
is really important and, uh, just also beautiful, uh, visually in, in
the MCU this year that I didn't get a chance to talk to, uh, talk about
Trey: before.
Yeah, that's a good mention.
What about you, dude?
Well,
Jude: I've already mentioned the, what I had listed as number six.
Um, actually the shame Shang, what's wrong with me?
The Shong she like, like now that I know the song, she, um, actually
there was an interesting moment the other day with my friend, TJ.
Um, and we were talking about, uh, Hawkeye and he was, uh, talking about.
I don't know how it came up, but he mentioned Budapest and I corrected him.
So was a teacher.
I'm pretty sure it was TJ.
Um, but yeah.
So the other one, the last one I'll mention here dose wise was,
Trey: uh, a quick honorable mention.
And what would have been my number six, seen a honorable mention it.
Kills me that I also, wasn't able to find a spot for the
flashback scene where Shung Chichi.
And when we go to that bar slash gambling place to exact revenge on the people that
murdered, uh, there, his wife and Chunky's mom, um, it came down to like what I
said, I, I wanted a scene that represented them both, but I wanted something a
little bit more uplifting despite how.
Much that scene impacted me.
Uh, so that one gets an honorable mention.
And what would have been number six and another one that I'm just, this is what I
mentioned when I said I had to delete it and walk away from my keyboard earlier.
It's the bridge, the chase sequence and Hawkeye the, the one where
they're escaping, uh, being captive with the tracksuit mafia all the
way through to the Penn tech arrow.
It is a wonderfully well done scene.
And I'm so sad that it, I couldn't make it in the top five
Tara: thinking about it.
I think we have some on our lists.
We have some representation from each installment of the
year, except what if right.
Jude: Well, I, I will say this, but, and I, and I mentioned this in,
uh, no, I didn't mention this tray.
And I w when we were trying to put out our top, uh, our ranking, our Disney plus
shows, we talked about this, um, for, at least for me, because it's animated.
And I still see it mentally kind of separate from the MC from the MCU proper.
Um, I know that's changing.
I know it's changing, but like, for some reason there's
just like this mental block.
Well, like even when somebody asks it was like add students acid, is
that your favorite Spider-Man movie?
Um, You know, and I get my answer and then somebody immediately followed up.
It's not into the spider verse.
And I was like, well, I I'm thinking like, action.
Uh, so that's honestly even going through these.
I really didn't honestly didn't give what if much thought, uh, for that reason,
just the difference of live action.
Trey: Yeah.
I think I'm in that space with you and.
I feel like I, I feel bad because I don't, I don't want to ostracize it from being
part of the MCU because I mean, it is intended to be that way, but it just, it
didn't really cross my mind whenever I sat down to write lists, uh, there were
moments that I think stood out to me like the, the second last episode where Hawkeye
has that sacrifice play and he is aiming down as the ultra and bots are coming up.
That moment was amazing.
And I love the way that that was framed and the lighting and the
animation, but it just, when it came to cracking a top five, I just, I
couldn't put it above anything else.
Tara: Well, similarly, there are some, uh, cause I wouldn't even necessarily
think of them in terms of scenes, but like there are some, uh, frames, there
are some visuals, there are some shots that really stand out that I think were
really stunning in what if, and there are some character beats too, and some
lines that I think stand out, but.
But I am in the same boat as you guys.
And it didn't really feel as much part of the same conversation for me personally.
Trey: Well, we're, we're getting to the end here, but Tara, you had a fantastic
suggestion on Twitter where you thought we should share what we thought were
some memorable scenes from 2021.
Uh, I know you use kind of tiptoed into one, but, uh, are there any
that stand out to you specifically?
Tara: And this was prompted it, it was Al who, who shared the gift of Zemo dancing.
Right?
So once he posted that, I was like, oh man, yeah, this year.
So my chronic gifts here, uh, some iconic meme template, uh, opportunities.
So the other ones that kind of stood out to me, um, I mentioned before the
kind of, what is blank, if not blank, persevering, which to your point, Jude,
like that is such a powerful and tender and sentimental moment that I don't
need there to be jokes about that.
Um, I've seen that out there and I they're fine.
They don't undermine it or ruin it for me.
Um, but I, uh, that line still lands for me.
I'm such a poser,
Jude: right?
Yes.
Tara: Oh, and, uh, from Sean cheap or that's
Trey: it?
That has infiltrated my conversations with my mom and dad, they will throw
out or so frequently, especially since I'm in the family lawn service,
we'll have conversations and then I'll say like, oh, we need to do this.
And one of them will pipe in.
Oh,
Jude: well the thing is, is even creeps into our text.
Like, he'll say what about this or that and the textual following or,
Trey: oh, that's great.
So what about you ju do you have any memorable scenes from 2021
Jude: memorable scenes?
Um, I, God.
No,
I'm so terrible at this.
And again, like I'm trying to think, and I'm just, I had one and
I was like, no, that's terrible.
And I had another, and that was bad.
Um, I don't know what it is.
I like gifts.
And so my first head, my head keeps going to gifts and was like, oh,
this moment, this is like open.
It's not a mean, that's a gift.
Um, that's just be honest.
That's what made it so difficult for me.
Tara: I was kind of using it as an umbrella term for funny internet
thing shows how much I know, I guess, I guess we're all a little
bit older than the meme crowd.
I don't know.
Is that
Jude: yeah.
So now I'm trying to think of, of there.
I think, I think the one that I think.
That if I was going to have in use.
And again, my mind goes to gifts is just low-key and there's reaction to Mobius.
And I was where he was.
And I wouldn't do it again,
you know, uh, for some reason that just sticks out to me.
Trey: So I have two and the first one I think is easy, but it's flourish.
I think that has been thrown around so frequently.
And I love it just because of what it represents within the episode
and the way people have used it.
The second one, and this one may be a bit of a stretch, but I'm going
to try and make my argument for it.
And the second episode of Wanda vision, there is a moment where
somebody says something, the devil's in the details or the details and
the devil and Agatha says, what
Jude: fuck the details.
Trey: I've thought I've reversed it, even though I had occurred, regardless,
my details are all over the place, but so the devil, uh, regardless Agatha
had the response, that's not the only place he is because of that line.
You can now not go more than five comments before someone comments,
manifesto on speculative thing in the MCU.
So that has to be for me the most memorable moment of 2021, so, right.
Yes, yes, yes.
Even if I botched the sea.
So those are my picks.
Tara: Festo is, is
Trey: coming
Jude: he's on his way.
And may.
It's going to happen, your strange, okay.
You want to get Marvel fans mad the way to do it
Trey: is you go ahead.
Oh,
Jude: I was going to say in Dr.
Strange.
They should have manifesto, but do the Trevor Slattery Mandarin twist.
And it not be my Festo.
That would definitely get them going.
Tara: So kind of like you have Pietro, but you don't have Pietro.
He's just dude named
Trey: Ralph.
Hey, I guess Marvel's not shy on pooling.
Switcheroos like that,
Tara: you know, what's kind of a meme or, or I guess has meme potential, but
maybe hasn't really been used this way.
And I wish it was used more.
I don't know if I'm using meme and internet reaction
interchangeably here, but remember at the end of, I guess it was.
Five of one division before Pietro arrives at the door when want to
envision or having an argument.
And she just starts rolling the credits over him.
That's hilarious.
I wish that there was a way of capturing that more in real life or on the
internet of just like I'm done with this conversation, if you're coming to credits.
Amazing.
Trey: All right.
We'd like to thank Nick Sandy.
There you go.
Jude: The number of times that I just imagined that in my head
anyways, it happens in real life.
I'm just,
Tara: it does, it happens on every episode of your podcast.
I can't believe I didn't make that connection.
It was
Trey: literally the same thing.
Oh man.
Well, Tara, thank you so much for the suggestion.
I think this was a very fun addition to this podcast and say, yeah, you
know, we've got one more thing left.
I know Jude NEI just recently talked about it in our previous episode,
but uh, I wanted to give you a chance here to say, what are you most
excited for in 2022 regarding the MCU?
Tara: Um, well, I, I listened to your episode.
I actually really enjoyed hearing your thoughts on some of the troubled
production around black Panther.
Yeah.
Go in a downer type of direction, but I, uh, I did just want to bring
that up because I thought that was a really, um, astute conversation
that you guys were having about that.
And I, I share some of those anxieties around that film because the first black
Panther is just such an amazing work.
Uh, and I just want the franchise within the franchise, uh, the black
Panther franchise within the MCU to, uh, continue to, to thrive.
Um, but I like Jude and very much looking forward to she Hulk because
of the wonderful Tatiana Maslany.
And, um, I know you spoke to it on your episode, but she is remarkable
actor who can really capture so, uh, so much emotion, but also so much humor
she can, um, she she's absolutely.
At dynamic force and I'm really looking forward to the tone of what
she hope can be with this idea of it being maybe a little bit more
campy and breaking the fourth wall.
So that's probably my number one pick for the Disney plus series
that I'm looking forward to.
And probably my number one overall.
Um, but I, in terms of movies, I got to go with Dr.
Strange and multi-person madness, probably just because it's.
In my mind.
Cause we did see the trailer after Spider-Man and I love Wanda
so much as you guys know from some of my picks here tonight.
And I'm so looking forward to seeing where her journey goes next and how that's going
to interweave with the world of, of Dr.
Strange as well.
So yeah, I'm very much looking forward to 2022.
I think that it'll feel a little bit different.
You know, we had nine installments this year.
That was a lot of content in 2021.
And it seems like with them doing three movies, as opposed to four in this
coming year, I think maybe that will be.
Uh, a little bit of, uh, a good thing to, to slow down the pace a little bit.
So
Trey: it will certainly make this task a whole lot easier next year.
But yeah.
Thank you so much for sharing that.
I I'm so glad to get, to hear that, uh, perspective.
And again, I look forward to hearing and I know you just recently did
an episode on a retrospective and a little peek at what's to come.
I think that's going to do it for this episode, Tara.
Thank you so much for joining us on this.
This has been a blast
Tara: Trey, and thank you, Jude.
It's always so much fun to collaborate with you guys, especially on
tasks like this, that which are.
Incredibly fun and also somewhat daunting and cause us to do things like have
multiple tabs open on our computers before we start whatever we're going to shoot.
Um, so always a blast.
And, uh, thank you so much for having me.
Jude: Yeah, thank you for coming.
Trey: Yeah.
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Trey: we'd also like to thank Nick Sandy for the use of our theme song, which
is his rendition of the Avengers theme.
You find more of his work on a SoundCloud, which will be linked in the show notes.
And that's going to do it.
Thank you so much for listening, Tara and Jude.
Thank you so much for doing this.
Thank you, Trey.
Thank you, Jerry.
Thank you guys.
We'll see you all next week.
Jude: Um, now my question is you are completely to monitoring
the saying and having like black widow on the second monitor.
Aren't you?
Tara: Okay.
You're not, no,
I, I had black widow up on.
Just a few minutes ago and I do have up in another tab, uh, like my notes for when
I did a black widow deep dive episode.
And you've totally nailed it.
That black widow is the one that I can't decide.
So, so yes, Judy, you are, uh, you're, you're thinking
along the right lines there.
Trey: I love it.
I can't wait to edit it.
And I'm just going to hear scenes from the movie.
Jude: Well, I kinda liked when the movie started and there was
a middle section that was really cool and the end was pretty awesome
Trey: too.
So that's three spots right there.
Jude: And honorable mention, I think is the in credit, so,
Trey: oh man.
Oh,