WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.789 --> 00:00:06.320 Welcome to the Soul Touched by Dogs Podcast, the show for dog lovers who 00:00:06.340 --> 00:00:12.000 see dogs not as toys or tools, but wise souls worth our respect and care. 00:00:12.580 --> 00:00:14.559 I'm an Herrmann, and I'm your host. 00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:20.560 I talk to poor some humans, people who do great work for dogs and their people. 00:00:21.099 --> 00:00:23.360 So come and join us for today's conversation. 00:00:25.765 --> 00:00:26.835 Anke: Hello and welcome. 00:00:27.398 --> 00:00:28.838 Inez: Hello, how are you? 00:00:29.318 --> 00:00:29.698 Hello and 00:00:29.708 --> 00:00:30.228 Anke: welcome. 00:00:30.248 --> 00:00:32.028 I'm so excited to have you back. 00:00:32.048 --> 00:00:34.368 You're the first person who comes back a second time and 00:00:34.368 --> 00:00:35.928 for very, very good reason. 00:00:35.928 --> 00:00:40.008 So, for people who don't know you yet, give us the two 00:00:40.048 --> 00:00:41.658 minute bird's eye overview. 00:00:41.658 --> 00:00:42.398 Where are you based? 00:00:42.958 --> 00:00:44.778 You know, what does Inez do all day? 00:00:46.138 --> 00:00:46.958 What are we going to do all day? 00:00:47.298 --> 00:00:48.118 How long have you got? 00:00:48.208 --> 00:00:51.108 Inez: Okay, so I'm based in Alarino Grande, which is 00:00:51.128 --> 00:00:52.508 in Inland Malaga in Spain. 00:00:52.868 --> 00:00:56.658 And I have some small businesses, but I also have a dog rescue, 00:00:56.658 --> 00:00:57.648 a very small dog rescue. 00:00:57.648 --> 00:01:00.098 It's just, it's just basically me and a few dogs. 00:01:02.913 --> 00:01:05.433 Anke: So if you haven't seen the first episode, like she 00:01:05.433 --> 00:01:07.183 makes some fabulous harnesses. 00:01:07.563 --> 00:01:10.113 So I'm going to, we're going to pop the link there, but today we're 00:01:10.113 --> 00:01:11.533 going to talk about something else. 00:01:11.913 --> 00:01:18.683 Well, somebody else, a dog called Zuri, you know, and I have been following that 00:01:18.683 --> 00:01:22.273 journey from what you're posting online, like literally from the first day. 00:01:22.273 --> 00:01:24.223 And that was like 18 months ago now, isn't it? 00:01:24.843 --> 00:01:26.173 Inez: Yeah, it was, it was mid June. 00:01:26.823 --> 00:01:30.773 Um, last year, uh, when she came to my attention and, and it was 00:01:30.773 --> 00:01:35.063 a Spanish rescuer had, um, posted about this dog looking for a home. 00:01:35.703 --> 00:01:38.713 And I got tagged as I did because, because I, because she's 00:01:38.713 --> 00:01:39.683 a Belgian Shepherd Malinois. 00:01:40.323 --> 00:01:42.443 And what I saw was absolutely horrific. 00:01:42.533 --> 00:01:46.143 I, I mean, I just didn't want to take another dog on, you know, saying it every, 00:01:46.203 --> 00:01:48.263 every time, you know, no more, no more. 00:01:48.263 --> 00:01:50.113 Um, but what I saw was a four month old. 00:01:50.383 --> 00:01:52.253 absolutely petrified dog. 00:01:52.253 --> 00:01:57.883 She was being kept, um, by the people between, on a window ledge, between the 00:01:57.883 --> 00:02:01.973 wrecker bars and the window, but it was so small she couldn't sit up properly 00:02:01.983 --> 00:02:04.803 and put her head up, so she was hunched over and she couldn't lay down either. 00:02:05.273 --> 00:02:07.003 So she was kept in there and there was a picture there. 00:02:07.533 --> 00:02:10.273 And a picture of her in a courtyard next to a bowl with this most 00:02:10.463 --> 00:02:15.523 petrified face on her, you know, really curled up and tail underneath her. 00:02:15.893 --> 00:02:18.253 And the other one was a video and she was back on the window 00:02:18.253 --> 00:02:19.533 ledge and she was soaking wet. 00:02:19.613 --> 00:02:22.543 And I realized that they had hosed her down in that place. 00:02:23.133 --> 00:02:26.193 Now, the people, apparently they'd only had her for five weeks. 00:02:27.033 --> 00:02:31.533 Um, mention I'm thinking, how can you, what's going on with this four months old? 00:02:32.943 --> 00:02:35.253 So I immediately said, I'll take her. 00:02:35.333 --> 00:02:41.683 And my thinking behind it was, if she got much older, her, her, the trajectory of 00:02:41.683 --> 00:02:45.013 her life probably would have been, she'd have gone to somebody who couldn't cope. 00:02:45.343 --> 00:02:47.443 She'd have gone to somebody else, gone to somebody else, she'd have ended up 00:02:47.443 --> 00:02:51.193 in a pound, frightened in the back of the, in the back of the pound, fearful 00:02:51.193 --> 00:02:53.633 to the point of snapping at people and she'd have been put to sleep. 00:02:54.013 --> 00:02:56.743 That was likely to be what would happen to her. 00:02:57.183 --> 00:03:00.233 Um, so I thought, well, worst thing I can do is at least try. 00:03:01.153 --> 00:03:02.423 So I said I'd take her. 00:03:02.773 --> 00:03:07.033 The Spanish people arranged the um, uh, the, the transport down. 00:03:07.033 --> 00:03:09.843 She was, she was in Cordoba transport down for her. 00:03:10.293 --> 00:03:12.663 Um, and I met them in just the other side of Malaga. 00:03:12.963 --> 00:03:17.943 And they, when , because my Spanish isn't fantastic, , they were texting 00:03:17.943 --> 00:03:21.753 me and I get this text saying that, uh, dah, dah, dah, that, uh, um, 00:03:21.783 --> 00:03:25.353 that, uh, uh, she was a bit near that, near that, right near the means. 00:03:26.613 --> 00:03:27.763 Well, that's what I thought it was. 00:03:27.773 --> 00:03:29.273 So I'm like, it's no problem. 00:03:29.273 --> 00:03:30.723 I'll give her a bath when she goes home. 00:03:30.873 --> 00:03:32.703 No, not me, Eda. 00:03:32.703 --> 00:03:37.253 The scared one, the scared, very scared, not very full of poo. 00:03:37.853 --> 00:03:38.313 Okay. 00:03:38.343 --> 00:03:40.133 So I was laughing to myself being an idiot. 00:03:40.603 --> 00:03:43.903 And thankfully I had a travel box and the woman got her out of the car and just, I 00:03:43.903 --> 00:03:46.903 mean, she, Zuri was just frozen into fear. 00:03:47.343 --> 00:03:48.693 Into the box, drove home. 00:03:49.393 --> 00:03:50.673 And I thought, I can't put her in the kennels. 00:03:50.833 --> 00:03:52.023 She was going to go to the kennels. 00:03:52.023 --> 00:03:53.123 I know where I can put her in kennels. 00:03:53.433 --> 00:03:57.603 Bought her home here, um, and uh, when my poor, long suffering 00:03:57.603 --> 00:03:59.033 husband was like, what's this then? 00:03:59.233 --> 00:04:03.503 I explained, put her in, we have a hallway which is completely closed off, and I 00:04:03.503 --> 00:04:05.443 can put a baby gate across for our dogs. 00:04:05.813 --> 00:04:06.413 Put her in the hallway. 00:04:06.413 --> 00:04:07.253 She wouldn't come out the box. 00:04:07.253 --> 00:04:08.053 Couldn't get her out the box. 00:04:08.083 --> 00:04:09.143 Had to take it all apart. 00:04:09.443 --> 00:04:10.163 She hopped out. 00:04:10.173 --> 00:04:11.763 She wouldn't touch food or anything. 00:04:12.133 --> 00:04:15.443 Let one of the dogs down there who were very gentle with her, um, and 00:04:15.443 --> 00:04:18.083 she was just so scared, so scared. 00:04:18.553 --> 00:04:21.503 Kept her in for two days, um, and she messed in the house with nothing 00:04:21.553 --> 00:04:24.203 you can do about it, because I thought by that time would be some 00:04:24.203 --> 00:04:26.713 kind of bonding, a little bit of something, but there was nothing. 00:04:27.343 --> 00:04:31.043 So in my mind, I'm sort of putting my, trying to put myself into her 00:04:31.223 --> 00:04:35.983 paws, and all she's ever known is being cramped and enclosed. 00:04:36.173 --> 00:04:36.953 She needs space. 00:04:37.373 --> 00:04:39.323 So it was a complete gut feeling. 00:04:40.228 --> 00:04:42.638 I opened the door and let her out and I started posting 00:04:42.638 --> 00:04:43.588 right from the very beginning. 00:04:43.868 --> 00:04:47.688 And I do it not so much for any other reason than so people can get the 00:04:47.718 --> 00:04:51.098 experience themselves because sometimes people will also take up a challenge 00:04:51.098 --> 00:04:54.548 and take a dog in or do something and they will help because they see somebody 00:04:54.578 --> 00:04:56.958 doing what's the bits behind the scenes. 00:04:57.818 --> 00:04:59.748 Anyway, so I let her out and that was it. 00:04:59.788 --> 00:05:01.178 I mean, she wasn't coming back in. 00:05:01.208 --> 00:05:02.678 I had to feed her outside. 00:05:03.228 --> 00:05:06.028 But it was to the point, put the food down, walk away, shut the door. 00:05:06.028 --> 00:05:06.658 She wouldn't eat it. 00:05:06.698 --> 00:05:08.088 Otherwise, she wouldn't come anywhere near. 00:05:08.493 --> 00:05:12.093 She was frightened of the, um, uh, the reflection, of her reflection on 00:05:12.093 --> 00:05:15.043 the bottom of the dog bowl, so she suddenly, she'd be eating and suddenly 00:05:15.043 --> 00:05:18.613 jumping away, which was sort of funny but also sad at the same time. 00:05:19.333 --> 00:05:25.213 Um, and then it was a very, very long, slow process to gain her trust, because 00:05:25.283 --> 00:05:27.083 all I could do was gain her trust. 00:05:27.523 --> 00:05:30.483 And I don't believe in forcing a dog to do something, and there are times 00:05:30.493 --> 00:05:32.743 when you have to, obviously, you've got to grab them up the street if a 00:05:32.743 --> 00:05:36.173 car's coming, or, it's a bit like young kids, you can't let them have complete 00:05:36.173 --> 00:05:39.263 freedom, but they, they have to have autonomy, and they have to understand, 00:05:39.263 --> 00:05:42.533 and they have to learn, it's how they learn, not just by watching what you 00:05:42.533 --> 00:05:49.313 do, by, but by being able to make those connections and choices for themselves. 00:05:50.033 --> 00:05:53.543 You have the added part to this, is the Belgian Shepherd Malinois 00:05:53.543 --> 00:05:54.933 is a very particular type of breed. 00:05:55.273 --> 00:05:58.483 They're extremely high intelligence and they're very analytical. 00:05:58.483 --> 00:06:01.243 They will work things out and mentally they work things out. 00:06:01.703 --> 00:06:05.323 So I couldn't just force her into something because All it would have done 00:06:05.333 --> 00:06:07.453 would have been made her fearful of me. 00:06:07.743 --> 00:06:09.573 So then why would she come anywhere near me. 00:06:10.903 --> 00:06:13.223 She may as well just run off somewhere because what's the point, 00:06:13.713 --> 00:06:17.113 Anke: you know, starting like below zero right you know if you have, if 00:06:17.113 --> 00:06:21.213 you come up across a dog that like you meet for the first time is when you 00:06:21.283 --> 00:06:25.188 start that process of building trust but with her that is when you Trust 00:06:25.328 --> 00:06:30.148 was so badly broken that you started at like a minus minus 100, right? 00:06:30.388 --> 00:06:30.658 Yeah, 00:06:30.728 --> 00:06:31.908 Inez: yeah, yeah, completely. 00:06:31.908 --> 00:06:34.618 I mean, thankfully, I'm with the other dogs, it sort of helped. 00:06:34.648 --> 00:06:37.058 And I thought it, I thought the whole process would have been a lot faster. 00:06:37.058 --> 00:06:43.428 I have to admit, because they, it was amazing how they were coming up to 00:06:43.428 --> 00:06:47.808 me like really extra close to me and rubbing themselves against my legs, very 00:06:47.808 --> 00:06:50.808 obviously showing her that I was alright. 00:06:50.828 --> 00:06:52.648 Yeah, that was, you know, This one's all right. 00:06:52.658 --> 00:06:54.008 You should go really nice treats. 00:06:54.228 --> 00:07:00.198 Don't miss out on this lot, you know, it was incredible to watch the whole process 00:07:00.538 --> 00:07:04.438 with all the pack as well, to watch, you know, cause we've got another six dogs and 00:07:04.438 --> 00:07:10.548 to watch how they were handling her and how they were trying to help her to become 00:07:10.578 --> 00:07:13.528 part of the family and become integrated. 00:07:13.968 --> 00:07:14.928 Um, So did they, 00:07:14.968 --> 00:07:16.488 Anke: did, did she relate? 00:07:17.058 --> 00:07:19.508 To them, like, what was she like with the other dogs? 00:07:19.538 --> 00:07:23.838 Like, did she, because, you know, I'm imagining this puppy sort of really 00:07:23.848 --> 00:07:28.168 young, put in this situation, like, did she even know how to relate to 00:07:28.228 --> 00:07:28.748 Inez: other dogs? 00:07:30.063 --> 00:07:32.113 Yeah, I mean, dogs do, dogs all do. 00:07:32.153 --> 00:07:36.883 And it's quite amazing how I've seen our pack respond, because if 00:07:36.883 --> 00:07:39.073 they, if they know there's a dog that's really fearful, even if the 00:07:39.073 --> 00:07:42.323 dog's snapping at them, they'll turn their heads away and not fight back. 00:07:42.363 --> 00:07:46.163 Even ones that would fight back, normally if you went oi to them, they'd be, you 00:07:46.163 --> 00:07:47.933 know, bite your finger off type thing. 00:07:48.363 --> 00:07:51.133 Um, they just turn their head away because they understand that the dog 00:07:51.133 --> 00:07:53.343 is doing it out of fear and they're not doing it out of aggression. 00:07:53.423 --> 00:07:54.043 Completely different. 00:07:54.613 --> 00:07:59.283 So, uh, Pickle, who's very maternal, she would be sort of going up and, 00:07:59.543 --> 00:08:01.503 you know, sort of being close to her. 00:08:01.503 --> 00:08:06.553 And, uh, Zuri sort of bonded very well with Luna, one of the young girls there. 00:08:06.973 --> 00:08:08.573 The youngest female that we've got. 00:08:09.263 --> 00:08:12.093 And they would be sort of over there, you know, playing and stuff like that. 00:08:12.103 --> 00:08:15.293 And she was starting to play and start, which was getting the exercise out of her. 00:08:15.294 --> 00:08:19.593 It was starting to bring her energy levels down, the cortisol levels, 00:08:19.593 --> 00:08:21.003 everything was starting to sort of drop. 00:08:21.003 --> 00:08:23.913 You could see her starting to relax and everything, but 00:08:23.913 --> 00:08:25.243 she still wouldn't come in. 00:08:26.053 --> 00:08:29.813 So, um, I thought that I don't see a choice here and what was 00:08:29.813 --> 00:08:32.783 happening, because I was, you know, well, you don't want to go, I'd say 00:08:32.783 --> 00:08:34.173 goodnight, shut the door, go to bed. 00:08:34.523 --> 00:08:39.313 One of these days, and then after about, I think it was 10 days, she 00:08:39.313 --> 00:08:44.733 sussed out where I was and she would be outside the window yipping at me 00:08:44.734 --> 00:08:48.913 Anke: like that, you know, 00:08:48.913 --> 00:08:50.993 Inez: which is, you say, ah, I 00:08:50.993 --> 00:08:54.363 Anke: say irritating because you want to, you know, I need my sleep. 00:08:56.283 --> 00:08:57.233 It's not that funny, right? 00:08:57.233 --> 00:08:58.073 No, it's not 00:08:58.073 --> 00:08:58.633 Inez: that funny. 00:08:58.633 --> 00:08:59.643 Three o'clock in the afternoon. 00:08:59.683 --> 00:09:00.383 Oh, it's sweet. 00:09:00.653 --> 00:09:02.913 One o'clock in the morning when you're absolutely dog tired 00:09:02.923 --> 00:09:03.863 and you want to get to sleep. 00:09:04.183 --> 00:09:06.733 No, and of course it disturbed my husband and the other dogs, and it was like, 00:09:06.933 --> 00:09:08.383 oh crikey, now what am I going to do? 00:09:08.773 --> 00:09:11.623 So I thought, well, I guess I'll just have to sleep on the sofa 00:09:11.993 --> 00:09:13.203 and I'll leave the door open. 00:09:13.203 --> 00:09:15.463 So she, she then has the choice to come in or not. 00:09:16.183 --> 00:09:20.173 And that brought another bunch of challenges because my dogs, if 00:09:20.173 --> 00:09:22.773 they hear a fly go past, they're out there barking their heads off. 00:09:22.774 --> 00:09:26.083 And we have no neighbours, that's okay, but it's irritating for us. 00:09:26.223 --> 00:09:28.093 And, you know, obviously I don't want to disturb my husband. 00:09:28.543 --> 00:09:30.973 So I had to teach mine not to run out. 00:09:31.183 --> 00:09:33.693 And so they weren't, you know, the door's wide open, they're 00:09:33.693 --> 00:09:36.583 not allowed to come out, but they're all sleeping on the floor. 00:09:37.043 --> 00:09:42.133 And, um, so I get a good few hours sleep and thankfully the old sofa that we have 00:09:42.133 --> 00:09:44.053 is a really comfortable, big, deep sofa. 00:09:44.653 --> 00:09:48.783 And then she started to start to come in, um, early hours, like three, 00:09:48.783 --> 00:09:51.293 four in the morning, she would sort of, sort of come in, because I'd 00:09:51.463 --> 00:09:53.868 be aware of, nuances of movement. 00:09:54.308 --> 00:09:56.668 And, um, she sort of settled just inside the door. 00:09:56.668 --> 00:09:59.568 And if I sort of even breathed too heavily, she was 00:09:59.638 --> 00:10:01.028 shoot back out, but slowly. 00:10:01.028 --> 00:10:02.278 So it was, it was like this. 00:10:02.878 --> 00:10:05.598 Um, and it was horrible seeing her a couple of thunderstorms. 00:10:05.618 --> 00:10:07.908 She was outside running around and she was barking. 00:10:07.958 --> 00:10:11.488 She was actually frightened of the wind and she's barking away and she's hiding. 00:10:11.488 --> 00:10:13.488 She's going under trees, try and get some shade. 00:10:13.888 --> 00:10:15.788 And I did think about putting, maybe putting a dog. 00:10:16.078 --> 00:10:16.988 Kindle or something up there. 00:10:16.988 --> 00:10:20.438 And I thought, no, because if I do that, she's going to maybe choose that. 00:10:20.648 --> 00:10:21.298 Anke: She'll just be comfortable there. 00:10:21.568 --> 00:10:22.008 Yeah. 00:10:22.009 --> 00:10:23.538 That's where she's going to stay, 00:10:23.598 --> 00:10:23.928 Inez: right? 00:10:24.228 --> 00:10:25.018 Yeah, exactly. 00:10:25.018 --> 00:10:28.838 There's various places there are shade, but it's not specifically made for. 00:10:28.868 --> 00:10:31.368 So I thought, if you're going to choose that bed, then you've chosen that bed. 00:10:31.668 --> 00:10:32.738 I'm not going to facilitate it. 00:10:33.958 --> 00:10:38.728 So over the course of five, six months, finally, she started to come in and 00:10:38.728 --> 00:10:41.778 I used to wake up in the morning and I'd be on my right hand side 00:10:42.098 --> 00:10:43.478 and she would be cuddled into me. 00:10:43.548 --> 00:10:46.938 She would be spooning me, cuddled into me, her head on my arm and everything 00:10:46.948 --> 00:10:48.498 that was, it was really sweet. 00:10:48.508 --> 00:10:51.608 It was the only time then we'd start to wake up and she'd be off out again. 00:10:52.218 --> 00:10:54.838 And so it would be sort of this back and forth and back and forth 00:10:54.838 --> 00:10:56.418 and back and forth type of thing. 00:10:57.108 --> 00:10:57.678 I mean 00:10:57.678 --> 00:11:00.368 Anke: the progress, like I've been watching it sort of online 00:11:00.368 --> 00:11:01.688 from the other side, you know. 00:11:01.943 --> 00:11:06.833 Like the process seemed steady with obviously, you know, like a little bit 00:11:06.833 --> 00:11:11.283 forwards and backwards, I mean, but I mean, overall it was steady progress. 00:11:11.293 --> 00:11:15.893 It was just probably slower than most people would expect, 00:11:16.153 --> 00:11:17.263 including you, perhaps, right? 00:11:18.033 --> 00:11:22.383 So it's, it's just, you know, did you ever have a moment where you go, Oh 00:11:22.433 --> 00:11:25.123 Jesus, this is just too much or, or. 00:11:25.904 --> 00:11:26.713 Inez: Absolutely, absolutely. 00:11:27.463 --> 00:11:29.333 You know, there are times where you don't get much sleep 00:11:29.333 --> 00:11:30.283 and this, that and the other. 00:11:30.283 --> 00:11:33.343 And, you know, so I mean, this isn't just what I do. 00:11:33.343 --> 00:11:36.353 I've got work, I've got involved, I've got a house to try and keep clean. 00:11:36.363 --> 00:11:37.833 You know, there's other stuff going on. 00:11:37.833 --> 00:11:40.863 I've got grandchildren, I've got family, you know, so 00:11:40.863 --> 00:11:42.353 there's other things going on. 00:11:42.823 --> 00:11:45.183 And yeah, it overwhelmed me at times. 00:11:45.473 --> 00:11:47.363 Um, but then I thought, what's the option? 00:11:47.933 --> 00:11:48.993 What is the option? 00:11:49.803 --> 00:11:50.113 Anke: Yeah. 00:11:50.113 --> 00:11:53.783 I mean, the alternative is like, I'm going to like throw her out again and chuck 00:11:53.783 --> 00:11:57.863 her in some new environment and start from scratch and probably like further 00:11:58.083 --> 00:12:00.553 back because trust broken again, right? 00:12:00.653 --> 00:12:00.723 Yeah, 00:12:00.823 --> 00:12:01.233 Inez: exactly. 00:12:01.233 --> 00:12:03.603 You reinforce the fact of that she can't trust 00:12:03.933 --> 00:12:06.413 Anke: these big, yeah, there's these two licking beasts. 00:12:06.683 --> 00:12:07.203 You can't trust them, 00:12:07.263 --> 00:12:07.533 Inez: right? 00:12:07.534 --> 00:12:08.339 Yeah, you can't trust them. 00:12:08.339 --> 00:12:08.983 You can't trust them. 00:12:08.983 --> 00:12:13.333 And you don't know how the next person's going to try and really who is out there. 00:12:13.673 --> 00:12:16.713 who is going to be prepared to put that much effort into what 00:12:16.803 --> 00:12:18.173 most people think is just a dog. 00:12:18.603 --> 00:12:18.983 Yeah. 00:12:19.113 --> 00:12:19.463 Yeah. 00:12:20.043 --> 00:12:24.233 Anke: So, so what would you, if somebody takes on a dog that's kind of really 00:12:24.283 --> 00:12:28.503 fearful, like, you know, a shelter dog, what's one tip you'd give them? 00:12:29.253 --> 00:12:29.753 Inez: Space. 00:12:30.203 --> 00:12:35.163 It's, it's our, uh, as humans, we want to, most of us who take on a rescue 00:12:35.163 --> 00:12:36.413 dog, we're nurturers, aren't we? 00:12:36.413 --> 00:12:39.863 We want to sort of cuddle and make the world whole again, but it's the 00:12:39.863 --> 00:12:41.053 worst thing you can do for the dog. 00:12:41.143 --> 00:12:44.533 The best thing you can do is to bring the dog in, If you've got another 00:12:44.533 --> 00:12:47.563 dog, let them introduce each other, just leave the dogs alone, obviously 00:12:47.563 --> 00:12:49.193 watching that there's no issues. 00:12:49.713 --> 00:12:52.673 Um, throw treats or get really high value treats. 00:12:53.013 --> 00:12:55.923 Um, and again, you've got to watch if your dogs are, you know, snappy 00:12:55.923 --> 00:13:00.683 at food, but if you can just throw high value treats, just randomly. 00:13:00.723 --> 00:13:03.433 There's no, no sort of for a sit or for anything particular, 00:13:03.434 --> 00:13:06.853 but just because you're building that connection, there's space. 00:13:07.213 --> 00:13:07.903 And connection. 00:13:07.903 --> 00:13:09.203 You've got to build that connection. 00:13:09.203 --> 00:13:13.383 When you've got that connection and trust, then you're 99 percent there. 00:13:14.353 --> 00:13:14.913 Anke: I love that. 00:13:15.253 --> 00:13:19.653 So I mean, talking about treats, like, where can people find out about you, 00:13:19.653 --> 00:13:23.283 your work, your treats, because you are selling treats as well, aren't you? 00:13:23.489 --> 00:13:25.138 Yeah, I 00:13:25.138 --> 00:13:27.278 Inez: do a bit of everything and, uh, yes. 00:13:27.618 --> 00:13:29.748 Um, it's, uh, InezRobinson. 00:13:29.768 --> 00:13:30.778 com is my website. 00:13:30.798 --> 00:13:31.928 Everything's actually on there. 00:13:32.128 --> 00:13:35.458 I mean, all the things I do have their own websites, but it filters into that one. 00:13:35.468 --> 00:13:38.898 So, if you go on there, you can see all the different stuff that I do and 00:13:38.898 --> 00:13:40.238 anything new that might be coming up. 00:13:41.148 --> 00:13:42.188 Anke: Absolutely wonderful. 00:13:42.208 --> 00:13:46.528 So I'll just, obviously the link's going to be below here and wherever 00:13:46.528 --> 00:13:49.878 you're listening or watching this, then the link will be right there. 00:13:49.878 --> 00:13:55.028 So get in touch with Ines and yeah, I'll look forward to seeing 00:13:55.068 --> 00:13:57.048 what we'll have you back for next. 00:13:59.798 --> 00:14:00.058 Thank 00:14:00.058 --> 00:14:00.718 Inez: you very much. 00:14:00.878 --> 00:14:01.648 Really enjoyed that. 00:14:01.958 --> 00:14:02.868 Thanks so much. 00:14:03.528 --> 00:14:04.758 Thanks so much for listening. 00:14:05.278 --> 00:14:09.578 If you enjoyed the episode, don't forget to subscribe, and leave a review so 00:14:09.678 --> 00:14:11.458 other dog lovers can find the show. 00:14:12.248 --> 00:14:15.738 If you haven't already, head over to soul touched by dogs. 00:14:16.168 --> 00:14:21.738 com and sign up for weekly doggy cuteness tips, recommendations, and personal 00:14:21.838 --> 00:14:24.208 stories to warm your dog loving heart. 00:14:24.209 --> 00:14:27.938 And if you know a pawsome human you think I should interview, 00:14:28.358 --> 00:14:29.498 I'd love an introduction. 00:14:29.978 --> 00:14:31.808 Email me at Anke. 00:14:32.078 --> 00:14:36.313 That's A N k E at Soul touched by dogs.com.