1 00:00:03,758 --> 00:00:06,598 Welcome to The Crucible, Conversations for the Curious. 2 00:00:06,598 --> 00:00:08,410 I'm Hamish, your host. 3 00:00:08,526 --> 00:00:13,006 In each episode you'll hear from everyday people who've been through profound life 4 00:00:13,006 --> 00:00:17,426 altering experiences, from life threatening illnesses or accidents, deep 5 00:00:17,426 --> 00:00:22,266 existential crisis, addiction, or having to make life choices that have ultimately 6 00:00:22,266 --> 00:00:25,006 brought them peace, connection and purpose. 7 00:00:25,006 --> 00:00:29,086 They've all stared into the abyss, walked through the fire of their own personal 8 00:00:29,086 --> 00:00:33,206 dark nights of the soul, and emerged from the other side transformed. 9 00:00:33,206 --> 00:00:37,886 This podcast is for anyone going through an awakening, a time of massive change, or 10 00:00:37,886 --> 00:00:38,480 questioning the 11 00:00:38,480 --> 00:00:39,680 meaning of life. 12 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:40,940 You are not alone. 13 00:00:40,940 --> 00:00:42,160 You can get through this. 14 00:00:42,160 --> 00:00:46,360 I promise you life is more meaningful and beautiful on the other side. 15 00:00:53,013 --> 00:00:55,313 Hi everybody, today we're talking to Angela. 16 00:00:55,313 --> 00:00:59,793 We've known each other for a couple of years and I know her story, but it's 17 00:00:59,793 --> 00:01:02,133 really nice to be able to share it with you all today. 18 00:01:02,133 --> 00:01:06,104 So Angela, thank you ever so much for turning up today. 19 00:01:06,104 --> 00:01:08,560 Thank you for having me Hamish, it's good to be here. 20 00:01:09,275 --> 00:01:15,622 Can you please tell us a little about your journey and your awakening? 21 00:01:15,622 --> 00:01:20,642 So I think my journey, it's like everybody, with everybody's journey, we 22 00:01:20,642 --> 00:01:22,332 have so many things going on, don't we? 23 00:01:22,332 --> 00:01:30,042 But a lot of them become more understandable, I think, as we look, as we 24 00:01:30,042 --> 00:01:34,302 listen to ourselves and start understanding why we are who we are. 25 00:01:34,302 --> 00:01:40,682 And for me, this last year has been incredible and things that I didn't 26 00:01:40,682 --> 00:01:43,614 understand, things that I didn't know about myself. 27 00:01:44,006 --> 00:01:48,206 or didn't understand about myself have become clear and everything has started to 28 00:01:48,206 --> 00:01:48,866 fall into place. 29 00:01:48,866 --> 00:01:55,086 So it has been, the word awakening feels to me like a really good word for it 30 00:01:55,086 --> 00:02:00,006 because for years now I've been a very impulsive person. 31 00:02:00,006 --> 00:02:05,546 I've made decisions, snap decisions and not always sensibly found myself then 32 00:02:05,546 --> 00:02:07,466 having to pick up the pieces afterwards. 33 00:02:07,466 --> 00:02:12,614 I've also made some very good decisions and I've had huge ideas and 34 00:02:12,614 --> 00:02:16,294 ideas kind of falling out of my head so that I go to sleep with some ideas and I 35 00:02:16,294 --> 00:02:21,314 wake up with other ones and life has been very, very full on. 36 00:02:21,314 --> 00:02:28,294 But one of the things that I've probably most struggled with was in growing my own 37 00:02:28,294 --> 00:02:33,294 business, I had made some bad decisions, not for the wrong reasons, but for the 38 00:02:33,294 --> 00:02:37,674 right reasons, looked to the wrong people for help and support and spent a lot of 39 00:02:37,674 --> 00:02:39,534 money doing it. 40 00:02:39,534 --> 00:02:41,766 And then finding that 41 00:02:41,766 --> 00:02:46,686 Actually, the help didn't come and I had trusted the wrong people and I'd begun to 42 00:02:46,686 --> 00:02:53,506 do things, spent money unwisely really on things that I thought would help and try 43 00:02:53,506 --> 00:02:57,086 and sort of get myself to the right place that I wanted to get to. 44 00:02:57,146 --> 00:03:00,606 Part of that was an awakening in the sense of realising that other people had done 45 00:03:00,606 --> 00:03:01,246 the same thing. 46 00:03:01,246 --> 00:03:05,366 And so I created a business around that to help and support other people. 47 00:03:05,366 --> 00:03:10,598 But I never really understood why the way I worked. 48 00:03:10,598 --> 00:03:18,358 And it wasn't until about six months ago that I was diagnosed with ADHD that 49 00:03:18,358 --> 00:03:24,418 suddenly everything in my life began to fall into place, literally from when I was 50 00:03:24,418 --> 00:03:30,118 a little girl and couldn't really concentrate on schoolwork, found it very 51 00:03:30,118 --> 00:03:34,238 difficult and would tell myself the story that I wasn't academic. 52 00:03:34,238 --> 00:03:35,418 I knew I was intelligent. 53 00:03:35,418 --> 00:03:40,830 I knew that my ideas were good and I knew that I could think like the best of them. 54 00:03:40,966 --> 00:03:44,566 But I didn't like writing it down and I didn't like spending hours doing homework 55 00:03:44,566 --> 00:03:46,546 and all of that. 56 00:03:46,546 --> 00:03:50,346 So I would sort of look at my other sisters and so on and think, well, that's 57 00:03:50,346 --> 00:03:50,856 just me. 58 00:03:50,856 --> 00:03:51,966 I'm not academic. 59 00:03:51,966 --> 00:03:54,086 You know, I'm not really meant for that. 60 00:03:54,106 --> 00:03:57,375 But still went to university because that's what our family did. 61 00:03:57,375 --> 00:03:58,786 You know, we all did that. 62 00:03:58,786 --> 00:04:02,166 And I managed to get a degree. 63 00:04:02,166 --> 00:04:04,186 But I changed halfway through. 64 00:04:04,186 --> 00:04:08,686 I took courses that I switched from one thing to another. 65 00:04:08,686 --> 00:04:10,630 And so going through life, 66 00:04:10,630 --> 00:04:14,470 There was lots of times where I didn't really understand what's going on. 67 00:04:14,910 --> 00:04:21,130 And then as I say, suddenly, our eldest son was diagnosed with ADHD as an adult. 68 00:04:21,130 --> 00:04:25,530 And that was, that was transformational for him. 69 00:04:25,590 --> 00:04:30,510 And it also began to make me think partly that I had been a failure, that I hadn't 70 00:04:30,510 --> 00:04:33,190 really recognized what's going on in his life. 71 00:04:33,190 --> 00:04:37,052 But of course it wasn't really spoken about, or shall we say it was. 72 00:04:37,318 --> 00:04:38,988 but only in a critical way. 73 00:04:38,988 --> 00:04:43,498 When he was growing up, it was like, well, you're a bad parent if your child has 74 00:04:43,498 --> 00:04:45,898 those kind of struggles, or they're just naughty. 75 00:04:45,898 --> 00:04:48,028 They just don't listen and all of these things. 76 00:04:48,028 --> 00:04:50,818 So we never really went down that road with him. 77 00:04:50,818 --> 00:04:56,898 And it wasn't until he then started exploring that helped me to start 78 00:04:56,898 --> 00:05:01,458 exploring and began to everything began to fall into place. 79 00:05:01,458 --> 00:05:06,950 And what that's done for me is to help me understand my own super 80 00:05:06,950 --> 00:05:13,550 powers and my own gifts that I've got to give to this world. 81 00:05:13,550 --> 00:05:23,169 It's not like something that's bad or that's something that's wrong or that I 82 00:05:23,169 --> 00:05:24,470 need fixing. 83 00:05:24,470 --> 00:05:31,250 It's something that I need to understand how to use and how to develop and how to 84 00:05:31,250 --> 00:05:34,410 grow and make it even more powerful and stronger. 85 00:05:34,438 --> 00:05:36,268 And that has been fascinating. 86 00:05:36,268 --> 00:05:41,778 And it's also enabled me to start adding things to the business or making decisions 87 00:05:41,778 --> 00:05:43,568 to help and support me. 88 00:05:43,568 --> 00:05:55,235 But that's meant that they help and support other people too. 89 00:05:55,235 --> 00:06:02,575 So being diagnosed with ADHD, wind back a bit and just explain to me what you were 90 00:06:02,575 --> 00:06:03,125 struggling with. 91 00:06:03,125 --> 00:06:07,415 You said there's this sense of I'm not academic, but what were the stumbling 92 00:06:07,415 --> 00:06:09,995 blocks that were tripping you up? 93 00:06:09,995 --> 00:06:12,035 Rephrase that, they're not stumbling blocks. 94 00:06:12,035 --> 00:06:16,165 What was the traditional approach that wasn't working for you? 95 00:06:16,165 --> 00:06:22,502 What was your mind doing differently or your cognitive ability? 96 00:06:22,502 --> 00:06:29,462 Well, one of the biggest things is the inability to switch off and the inability 97 00:06:29,462 --> 00:06:35,702 to stop and to rest or to even go to bed at a sensible time. 98 00:06:35,702 --> 00:06:38,982 There'd be times when I would stay awake all night basically because there were 99 00:06:38,982 --> 00:06:41,262 things I needed to do. 100 00:06:41,262 --> 00:06:44,670 Or, you know, my husband who's a very regular. 101 00:06:44,678 --> 00:06:48,858 guy who likes to go to bed at a set time, he falls asleep quite quickly, he would 102 00:06:48,858 --> 00:06:51,918 sort of suddenly wake up again and find that I'm sitting in the bathroom with my 103 00:06:51,918 --> 00:06:56,588 laptop doing a post for LinkedIn, that, you know, because I have to do it now, 104 00:06:56,588 --> 00:07:00,498 because if I don't do it now, I won't be able to go to sleep if I don't do it now. 105 00:07:00,498 --> 00:07:03,158 And it could be quite disruptive. 106 00:07:03,158 --> 00:07:08,058 But he had, because we'd been married for a long time, and he'd sort of kind of got 107 00:07:08,058 --> 00:07:12,238 used to some of my ways and sort of accepted them. 108 00:07:12,238 --> 00:07:13,734 He's a very patient. 109 00:07:13,734 --> 00:07:15,094 guys. 110 00:07:15,094 --> 00:07:19,494 So they didn't really cause a sort of marital issue, but there were lots and 111 00:07:19,494 --> 00:07:22,334 lots of times where he'd be saying, thought you said you were coming to bed? 112 00:07:22,334 --> 00:07:24,774 You know, and yes, I'm coming, I'm coming in a minute. 113 00:07:24,774 --> 00:07:28,854 And it would still be an hour later, and I'd still be talking or doing whatever I 114 00:07:28,854 --> 00:07:29,014 was. 115 00:07:29,014 --> 00:07:31,274 So that was quite a thing. 116 00:07:31,354 --> 00:07:37,634 Then from the point of view of looking after the home, I mean, we have four 117 00:07:37,634 --> 00:07:38,554 children. 118 00:07:38,554 --> 00:07:42,822 And at certain times, I can be super. 119 00:07:42,822 --> 00:07:43,922 organised. 120 00:07:43,922 --> 00:07:48,232 And so if you ask me to spring clean your house, I will do a brilliant job at it, 121 00:07:48,232 --> 00:07:51,682 but I won't stop till it's finished, you know, in a week, I won't go to bed, I will 122 00:07:51,682 --> 00:07:53,302 just carry on doing it. 123 00:07:53,302 --> 00:07:58,162 Everything would be in beautiful, you know, shelves will be tidy and all of 124 00:07:58,162 --> 00:07:58,801 that. 125 00:07:58,801 --> 00:08:02,582 But during that time while doing it, the house has to be will be complete mess 126 00:08:02,582 --> 00:08:04,222 because I get everything out of every cupboard. 127 00:08:04,222 --> 00:08:07,242 So the only way that that would work in our home will be for Dirk to take the 128 00:08:07,242 --> 00:08:08,302 children away. 129 00:08:08,302 --> 00:08:12,422 And then we would, you know, then I could do that and you'd come back and find this. 130 00:08:12,422 --> 00:08:16,502 this beautiful place, but I couldn't do it at the same time. 131 00:08:16,502 --> 00:08:21,062 And for a long time now, Dirk's done pretty much most of the housework because 132 00:08:21,062 --> 00:08:23,382 he just, he sees it. 133 00:08:23,382 --> 00:08:24,922 He, I don't see it. 134 00:08:24,922 --> 00:08:30,202 It doesn't impact me because I'll be in my own world doing and creating all the 135 00:08:30,202 --> 00:08:32,462 things I want to create. 136 00:08:32,462 --> 00:08:39,162 I've got a very, very creative brain, but at school I was told I had no imagination 137 00:08:39,162 --> 00:08:42,344 as my brain and pattern didn't fit. 138 00:08:42,502 --> 00:08:55,206 It didn't fit into the thing I was being asked to do. 139 00:08:55,206 --> 00:09:02,746 you know, we would be asked to paint a certain thing and I couldn't do that. 140 00:09:02,746 --> 00:09:08,566 If you would have asked me to create something from the colors of the rainbow, 141 00:09:08,706 --> 00:09:12,706 I would have been able to do that and I would have enjoyed it. 142 00:09:12,706 --> 00:09:21,126 But ask me to draw a banana or a ship or something, it just didn't work. 143 00:09:21,126 --> 00:09:23,388 So it would be very boxed in. 144 00:09:23,494 --> 00:09:28,534 It just wouldn't look particularly good. 145 00:09:28,534 --> 00:09:34,414 And I could be quite outspoken in the sense that my English teacher liked 146 00:09:34,414 --> 00:09:36,394 particular kinds of poetry. 147 00:09:36,394 --> 00:09:39,473 To me, they weren't poetry because they weren't beautiful. 148 00:09:39,473 --> 00:09:41,474 They didn't do anything with me. 149 00:09:41,474 --> 00:09:42,844 They didn't make me sing. 150 00:09:42,844 --> 00:09:45,094 They didn't make me feel. 151 00:09:45,094 --> 00:09:48,004 And that, again, that wasn't right. 152 00:09:48,004 --> 00:09:51,334 But the thing was, she was telling me I didn't have any imagination as well. 153 00:09:51,334 --> 00:09:53,720 So I found myself floundering, really. 154 00:09:53,734 --> 00:10:00,354 in those kinds of subjects and then feeling like I was being told how to be 155 00:10:00,354 --> 00:10:02,474 and I wasn't that person. 156 00:10:02,474 --> 00:10:07,454 But I think because of when I grew up, you didn't argue with those kinds of things. 157 00:10:07,454 --> 00:10:11,254 You just, you accepted that that's what, you know, they were the teachers, that's 158 00:10:11,254 --> 00:10:12,094 what they were telling you. 159 00:10:12,094 --> 00:10:13,994 There wasn't another option. 160 00:10:13,994 --> 00:10:17,354 There was nobody that was querying those things. 161 00:10:17,354 --> 00:10:20,784 And so, so I just went along with it really. 162 00:10:20,784 --> 00:10:22,246 But I think, 163 00:10:22,246 --> 00:10:29,966 You know, over the years, it's had some very good things for me, as in I have, I 164 00:10:29,966 --> 00:10:31,946 can turn my hand to pretty much anything. 165 00:10:31,946 --> 00:10:37,066 I've had quite a few different roles, from job point of view. 166 00:10:37,066 --> 00:10:40,866 And I, I just approach them and do them because that's what I'm doing. 167 00:10:40,866 --> 00:10:42,936 And I don't need to prove anything. 168 00:10:42,936 --> 00:10:44,586 I can just get on and do it. 169 00:10:44,586 --> 00:10:46,866 I'm very, very capable person. 170 00:10:48,134 --> 00:10:53,394 But the commitment side of it to be long -term committed to something, that's been 171 00:10:53,394 --> 00:10:56,254 a struggle at times. 172 00:10:56,254 --> 00:10:58,814 And I feel like it works now. 173 00:10:58,814 --> 00:11:02,574 I couldn't be more committed to the business that I run now, but that's 174 00:11:02,574 --> 00:11:08,034 because it's giving me the whole space to imagine and invent and create and bring 175 00:11:08,034 --> 00:11:13,134 new things in and find other ways to help people. 176 00:11:13,134 --> 00:11:17,256 And it's because it's so people -centric and because people are all so different. 177 00:11:17,542 --> 00:11:20,882 that gives my brain exactly what it needs. 178 00:11:20,882 --> 00:11:27,202 And it just means that thinking on the spot, answering questions, giving people 179 00:11:27,202 --> 00:11:32,442 advice about things that I didn't even know I knew, because they're all stored in 180 00:11:32,442 --> 00:11:33,542 there somewhere. 181 00:11:33,542 --> 00:11:38,652 That's been a wonderful, wonderful gift for me. 182 00:11:38,652 --> 00:11:45,890 And I'm so really so grateful that the opportunity arose, albeit from having 183 00:11:45,894 --> 00:11:51,694 used our life savings to invest in support and help that wasn't the right thing at 184 00:11:51,694 --> 00:11:52,794 all. 185 00:11:52,794 --> 00:11:57,914 So it's been a very expensive learning journey, but at the same time, it's made 186 00:11:57,914 --> 00:11:59,893 me connect with myself in a whole new way. 187 00:12:03,291 --> 00:12:09,251 What was cropping up for me was it's more emotionally centric rather than brain 188 00:12:09,251 --> 00:12:11,071 centric or heart centric. 189 00:12:11,071 --> 00:12:13,151 You know, painting a banana. 190 00:12:13,151 --> 00:12:15,531 No, painting from the rainbow. 191 00:12:15,531 --> 00:12:17,501 It's a different approach, isn't it? 192 00:12:17,501 --> 00:12:20,531 So it's, I can, because I can relate to quite a lot of that. 193 00:12:20,531 --> 00:12:25,291 I don't switch off and various other things, but it makes a lot of sense to 194 00:12:25,291 --> 00:12:26,651 you. 195 00:12:26,871 --> 00:12:31,023 This combination is slightly different and you're wired for 196 00:12:31,023 --> 00:12:35,303 Obviously passion, I can hear the passion for your job, your creativity, what you 197 00:12:35,303 --> 00:12:36,983 do. 198 00:12:36,983 --> 00:12:44,443 And maybe it is that kind of creativity and passion that is leading the way more 199 00:12:44,443 --> 00:12:56,210 than, as you said, society, teachers, dogma, conformity of structure. 200 00:12:56,210 --> 00:12:59,750 Yeah, I think that's absolutely right. 201 00:12:59,750 --> 00:13:06,190 I think from the creativity point of view as a little girl, I was always making 202 00:13:06,190 --> 00:13:07,630 things. 203 00:13:07,630 --> 00:13:13,330 That was much more enjoyable to me than anything else really. 204 00:13:13,530 --> 00:13:15,930 And then of course I went into jewelry. 205 00:13:15,930 --> 00:13:17,670 I taught jewelry making. 206 00:13:17,670 --> 00:13:21,830 I had a business teaching jewelry making and creating jewelry. 207 00:13:21,830 --> 00:13:24,618 It was all about getting people to... 208 00:13:24,754 --> 00:13:29,234 express themselves through color and through shape and through texture, none of 209 00:13:29,234 --> 00:13:31,234 which had been taught. 210 00:13:31,234 --> 00:13:35,734 And it was just literally, I was literally just making, making things up on the spot 211 00:13:35,734 --> 00:13:37,134 if that sounds. 212 00:13:37,134 --> 00:13:42,054 I mean, that sounds a bit disrespectful in a sense, because actually, I was, I was 213 00:13:42,054 --> 00:13:43,574 good at it, I still am. 214 00:13:43,574 --> 00:13:49,534 But it was all about just almost like drawing information from somewhere that 215 00:13:49,534 --> 00:13:50,594 I'd stored up. 216 00:13:50,594 --> 00:13:52,214 But again, it was all about emotions. 217 00:13:52,214 --> 00:13:54,078 It was all about expressing. 218 00:13:54,098 --> 00:14:00,378 And the colors that I wear, the clothes that I wear, they're all about the ability 219 00:14:00,378 --> 00:14:09,878 to just to bring brightness and light and joy into everything that I do, everything 220 00:14:09,878 --> 00:14:10,678 that's around me. 221 00:14:10,678 --> 00:14:14,338 And I find joy in beauty. 222 00:14:14,338 --> 00:14:19,778 And beauty for me isn't about the perfection or the person who looks 223 00:14:19,778 --> 00:14:21,508 wonderful figure and all of that. 224 00:14:21,508 --> 00:14:23,560 Beauty is about how you feel. 225 00:14:23,826 --> 00:14:30,866 And if something makes you feel deeper or feel warmer or feel more whole and more 226 00:14:30,866 --> 00:14:33,166 protected, that's beautiful to me. 227 00:14:33,166 --> 00:14:37,366 And so anything that I can do that will create that for somebody else is always 228 00:14:37,366 --> 00:14:42,607 going to be what sparks 229 00:14:42,607 --> 00:14:43,027 Yep. 230 00:14:43,027 --> 00:14:43,907 I like that. 231 00:14:43,907 --> 00:14:46,047 That makes a lot of sense. 232 00:14:46,047 --> 00:14:50,457 And your description of beauty, I completely relate to as well. 233 00:14:50,457 --> 00:14:51,787 I was a photographer. 234 00:14:51,787 --> 00:14:53,167 I am a photographer. 235 00:14:53,167 --> 00:14:56,907 And first time I picked up a camera, it made sense to frame people in the right 236 00:14:56,907 --> 00:14:59,407 space, as you see on TV and magazines. 237 00:14:59,407 --> 00:15:01,307 It's just natural. 238 00:15:01,307 --> 00:15:05,267 So I can understand that. 239 00:15:05,267 --> 00:15:07,567 And the idea of things being beautiful. 240 00:15:07,567 --> 00:15:10,255 I think, you know, walking down the street and you see the 241 00:15:10,255 --> 00:15:13,395 the grass and the weeds growing up through the cracks in the pavement. 242 00:15:13,395 --> 00:15:16,215 There is an element of beauty in there. 243 00:15:16,215 --> 00:15:18,115 And it is all around us. 244 00:15:18,115 --> 00:15:23,625 And I love that beauty is important to you because beauty is love. 245 00:15:23,625 --> 00:15:24,725 Beauty is magical. 246 00:15:24,725 --> 00:15:28,623 It really is something very precious. 247 00:15:28,623 --> 00:15:31,943 I loved what you said there. 248 00:15:31,943 --> 00:15:41,554 Going back to finding out that you had ADHD, how did that work? 249 00:15:41,554 --> 00:15:50,114 It was an interesting one because it was a question that somebody asked me and on a, 250 00:15:50,114 --> 00:15:54,514 as I said, been looking at it with Andrew, with our eldest son, because in some ways 251 00:15:54,514 --> 00:15:57,874 he's very like me, in other ways he's very like his Dad. 252 00:15:57,874 --> 00:16:02,834 But quite a few of the things had resonated when he started, particularly he 253 00:16:02,834 --> 00:16:07,434 and his wife, they started to watch a comedy series and it was all about, it was 254 00:16:07,434 --> 00:16:09,970 the husband talking about the wife and... 255 00:16:09,970 --> 00:16:12,460 how he would find her doing whatever it was. 256 00:16:12,460 --> 00:16:16,110 And that would resonate for Simone, my daughter -in -law, in how Andrew was. 257 00:16:16,110 --> 00:16:18,970 But actually, I would think, do you know what? 258 00:16:19,390 --> 00:16:22,160 That's what I do, you know, beginning to recognize these things. 259 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:25,970 And then I was on a business call, actually, which was a sales call. 260 00:16:25,970 --> 00:16:31,450 And the lady who I was talking to, she told me at the beginning that she was 261 00:16:31,450 --> 00:16:34,390 ADHD, and she just said, I might not concentrate too well. 262 00:16:34,390 --> 00:16:39,090 And I did a couple of things, which I normally do. 263 00:16:39,090 --> 00:16:43,300 And she noticed and something resonated for her. 264 00:16:43,300 --> 00:16:45,890 And she said, have you ever looked at yourself? 265 00:16:45,890 --> 00:16:54,310 And at that point, I think I'd been, I don't think I'd been open to it just 266 00:16:54,310 --> 00:17:01,550 because again, looking back at our children's early years, which was when 267 00:17:01,550 --> 00:17:07,752 ADHD was first talked about and with such a negative connotation around it. 268 00:17:07,954 --> 00:17:12,043 that I hadn't, I don't think I'd even allowed myself to go down there. 269 00:17:12,043 --> 00:17:15,294 I didn't even explore what it was all about. 270 00:17:15,294 --> 00:17:18,254 It was only because of Andrew that I'd started to explore. 271 00:17:18,254 --> 00:17:23,594 And I sort of just happened to mention something to him and he then showed me 272 00:17:23,594 --> 00:17:27,264 where I could look, who I could talk to, how I could explore that. 273 00:17:27,264 --> 00:17:30,934 And I went to see my own doctor about it. 274 00:17:30,934 --> 00:17:36,297 And just then everything, it was literally like, 275 00:17:36,690 --> 00:17:37,740 It was just amazing. 276 00:17:37,740 --> 00:17:39,750 Everything fell into place. 277 00:17:39,750 --> 00:17:42,410 I was just, it was in 24 hours. 278 00:17:42,870 --> 00:17:47,950 Almost my whole life had sort of passed in front of me and it had all fallen into 279 00:17:47,950 --> 00:17:48,170 place. 280 00:17:48,170 --> 00:17:51,170 And of course the doctor was talking about, you know, there's various points 281 00:17:51,170 --> 00:17:54,490 that you have to fit into this category and that category and what this affects 282 00:17:54,490 --> 00:17:55,070 you. 283 00:17:55,070 --> 00:17:59,510 And, and I said to him, you know, it's not really about me needing extra help or me 284 00:17:59,510 --> 00:18:03,058 wanting to go and get, you know, diagnosed so that. 285 00:18:03,058 --> 00:18:05,888 I can go and claim some kind of benefit or something like that. 286 00:18:05,888 --> 00:18:10,698 It's more about understanding what is it? 287 00:18:10,698 --> 00:18:12,488 How does it affect your brain patterns? 288 00:18:12,488 --> 00:18:15,618 How does it affect your emotions and how you behave? 289 00:18:15,618 --> 00:18:18,958 And then how can I use that to my advantage? 290 00:18:18,958 --> 00:18:22,698 What sort of help can I help myself with? 291 00:18:22,698 --> 00:18:28,718 And also what can I say to other people and how can they understand it for my 292 00:18:28,718 --> 00:18:31,178 husband as well? 293 00:18:31,178 --> 00:18:32,722 For Dirk, it was like, 294 00:18:32,722 --> 00:18:35,212 To begin with, he was thinking, well, it's a bit odd, isn't it? 295 00:18:35,212 --> 00:18:38,642 But actually, it began to make real sense to him too. 296 00:18:38,642 --> 00:18:49,746 And it's enabled me to sort of recognise where I can... 297 00:18:49,746 --> 00:18:56,046 introduce things or where I can respect his needs in a new way. 298 00:18:56,046 --> 00:19:00,286 So how we can help each other so that we can really sort of bring the best out of 299 00:19:00,286 --> 00:19:11,275 each other. 300 00:19:11,387 --> 00:19:17,487 And so you've, it's given you tools to understand the ways that you process, the 301 00:19:17,487 --> 00:19:19,247 ways that you function. 302 00:19:20,167 --> 00:19:26,127 and that then gives you an appreciation of how you can take that one step further. 303 00:19:26,127 --> 00:19:31,487 That must be really empowering because I'm going to hazard that you were, you were on 304 00:19:31,487 --> 00:19:32,087 your back foot. 305 00:19:32,087 --> 00:19:34,467 You certainly said as a kid, you were, you were on your back foot. 306 00:19:34,467 --> 00:19:35,537 You weren't intelligent. 307 00:19:35,537 --> 00:19:36,627 You weren't this. 308 00:19:36,627 --> 00:19:39,471 You weren't that because society told you. 309 00:19:39,471 --> 00:19:44,171 but now you're able to use that. 310 00:19:44,171 --> 00:19:50,791 So how has that changed your confidence and your approach to people, relationships 311 00:19:50,791 --> 00:19:53,682 and things like that? 312 00:19:53,682 --> 00:20:00,322 One of the first things that it helped me to do was to really, to really fully 313 00:20:00,322 --> 00:20:08,222 accept that, that I work in the way that I work for a reason and it's not a bad 314 00:20:08,222 --> 00:20:09,002 reason. 315 00:20:09,002 --> 00:20:11,702 There's lots of good things about it. 316 00:20:11,702 --> 00:20:15,522 So I began to think, do you know what, if that's how your brain works, then use it 317 00:20:15,522 --> 00:20:16,582 like that. 318 00:20:16,582 --> 00:20:18,902 You know, do more of what you're good at. 319 00:20:18,902 --> 00:20:22,674 You know, put yourself in situations that you're going to really show your... 320 00:20:22,674 --> 00:20:25,794 your own superpower, if you like, you're going to be able to really help and 321 00:20:25,794 --> 00:20:27,334 support other people. 322 00:20:27,334 --> 00:20:32,994 And then it also made me realize that there are things that I was just taking 323 00:20:32,994 --> 00:20:35,734 responsibility for because I could do them. 324 00:20:35,734 --> 00:20:38,734 Not because I should be doing them, but because I could. 325 00:20:38,734 --> 00:20:45,144 And because I don't need a lot of sleep, because I can spin a lot of plates, 326 00:20:45,144 --> 00:20:48,174 because I can put my hand to lots of things. 327 00:20:48,174 --> 00:20:51,606 I was doing that, but that was actually limiting. 328 00:20:51,890 --> 00:20:56,130 my growth and limiting the ability to grow my business. 329 00:20:56,130 --> 00:21:01,750 And so one of the biggest decisions for me, which involved an investment and that 330 00:21:01,750 --> 00:21:08,500 was a, because I've invested badly in support before it was quite a hard thing, 331 00:21:08,500 --> 00:21:13,550 but I recognise the fact that if I didn't make a decision to take some more help and 332 00:21:13,550 --> 00:21:18,370 to say, actually, I need somebody else to do that bit, then the business would just 333 00:21:18,370 --> 00:21:20,010 stay at the same level it was. 334 00:21:20,010 --> 00:21:20,722 And I've 335 00:21:20,722 --> 00:21:24,822 and I know that there's a lot more people out there that need help and support that 336 00:21:24,822 --> 00:21:28,522 I can give them, but I wasn't going to be able to do it if I didn't make some 337 00:21:28,522 --> 00:21:29,662 changes. 338 00:21:29,862 --> 00:21:36,162 So bringing in some help and admitting that I needed that help and that it was 339 00:21:36,162 --> 00:21:40,282 okay to do that, it was okay to admit that I needed that help, has made a big 340 00:21:40,282 --> 00:21:43,442 difference already in the step forward in that I've been able to spend time this 341 00:21:43,442 --> 00:21:48,862 week concentrating on the things that I want to do, that I love to do, that I'm 342 00:21:48,862 --> 00:21:49,682 good at. 343 00:21:49,682 --> 00:21:52,782 and that I need to expand in and grow in. 344 00:21:53,262 --> 00:22:02,662 It's definitely helped me understand my son and acknowledge that, you know, his 345 00:22:02,662 --> 00:22:08,672 journey through life was chaotic and difficult. 346 00:22:08,672 --> 00:22:11,822 There were times of great difficulty. 347 00:22:11,822 --> 00:22:17,642 And I had felt like a complete failure when I looked at those times and I'd 348 00:22:17,642 --> 00:22:19,570 thought, you know, that I'd let him down. 349 00:22:19,570 --> 00:22:22,130 and if only things had been different. 350 00:22:22,130 --> 00:22:27,310 But now I know that we've got something in common that's really precious. 351 00:22:27,310 --> 00:22:29,040 And there's an understanding of each other. 352 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,330 There always was, that's the thing. 353 00:22:31,330 --> 00:22:33,550 There was always this closeness. 354 00:22:33,650 --> 00:22:40,250 And one of the hugely wonderful things to me is that of our four children who are 355 00:22:40,250 --> 00:22:45,106 all so different, I know that each of them... 356 00:22:45,106 --> 00:22:46,786 knows how much I love them. 357 00:22:46,786 --> 00:22:53,426 We have communication between us, we talk, we develop things together, we go through 358 00:22:53,426 --> 00:22:56,746 difficulties together. 359 00:22:56,746 --> 00:22:58,926 And I know everything about them. 360 00:22:58,926 --> 00:23:01,526 I know they would tell me anything, literally they would tell me anything. 361 00:23:01,526 --> 00:23:04,626 And I know that that's not true for many people. 362 00:23:04,626 --> 00:23:08,506 And so although this has been that situation with Andrew, that worry that I'd 363 00:23:08,506 --> 00:23:11,106 let him down, there was still this closeness. 364 00:23:11,106 --> 00:23:12,786 But now it feels like... 365 00:23:12,786 --> 00:23:14,256 There's an even deeper closeness. 366 00:23:14,256 --> 00:23:15,086 There's a oneness. 367 00:23:15,086 --> 00:23:19,346 There's a way that we can support each other in a different way. 368 00:23:19,346 --> 00:23:25,106 And also a way that I can support his wife too, because now I understand some of the 369 00:23:25,106 --> 00:23:28,706 difficulties that she's probably facing. 370 00:23:28,706 --> 00:23:31,746 And how particularly when they have their little one that they're expecting, how 371 00:23:31,746 --> 00:23:34,806 that might be a challenge, you know, and there might be, we need to do something 372 00:23:34,806 --> 00:23:36,706 there. 373 00:23:36,706 --> 00:23:39,806 It's helped me recognize things in my own. 374 00:23:39,806 --> 00:23:42,634 I've got seven brothers and sisters and 375 00:23:42,674 --> 00:23:48,354 It's really interesting reflecting on the relationships I've had with them and how 376 00:23:48,354 --> 00:23:53,794 they felt or how we've got on and which ones we've got on better with. 377 00:23:53,794 --> 00:23:55,654 We all go on holiday with each other every year. 378 00:23:55,654 --> 00:23:59,394 We get on well, but there's those that you get on better with than others, and 379 00:23:59,394 --> 00:24:03,114 understanding what's going on for them in their lives. 380 00:24:03,114 --> 00:24:09,704 I almost feel like a little girl who's been given a present and it's unlocked. 381 00:24:09,704 --> 00:24:12,050 It's like a key to a treasure box. 382 00:24:12,050 --> 00:24:15,210 When I was little, I collected beads and I've still got them. 383 00:24:15,210 --> 00:24:20,550 And if you look at them, some of them are bits of things that fell out of my nana's 384 00:24:20,550 --> 00:24:25,250 brooch and plastic beads that I got from a sweep packet or something. 385 00:24:25,250 --> 00:24:29,130 And there's nothing very special about them, but they're very special to me 386 00:24:29,130 --> 00:24:31,290 because they were my security. 387 00:24:31,290 --> 00:24:34,670 I used to go and sit and look at them when I was confused about life. 388 00:24:34,790 --> 00:24:40,170 And now I feel like somebody's given me a whole treasure box full of all sorts of 389 00:24:40,170 --> 00:24:41,010 things. 390 00:24:41,010 --> 00:24:47,110 that I can explore and look at and get out and decide whether I want to keep or not. 391 00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:53,711 And that's really fascinating. 392 00:24:53,711 --> 00:24:55,751 So you're curious. 393 00:24:55,751 --> 00:24:58,491 There's definitely a curiousness there. 394 00:24:58,491 --> 00:25:04,431 Has that always been there or is that just something that has appeared as you've 395 00:25:04,431 --> 00:25:10,322 understood more of who you are or how you are? 396 00:25:10,322 --> 00:25:16,382 And there's always been a bit of a curiosity inside me about who I am and why 397 00:25:16,382 --> 00:25:18,442 I do the things I do. 398 00:25:18,482 --> 00:25:23,862 And I know that there's been a curiosity in the children at times. 399 00:25:23,862 --> 00:25:25,992 They've like, why, what are you doing? 400 00:25:25,992 --> 00:25:32,462 Well, you know, there's been that sort of curiosity about it, but puzzlement, 401 00:25:32,562 --> 00:25:34,442 because I didn't have any answers. 402 00:25:34,442 --> 00:25:39,506 Now I feel like the curiosity about myself is growing. 403 00:25:39,506 --> 00:25:46,906 but it's growing in a way that's unlocking the understanding of why. 404 00:25:46,906 --> 00:25:51,746 But it's also making me curious about other people and why do they behave in the 405 00:25:51,746 --> 00:25:54,446 way that they behave. 406 00:25:54,446 --> 00:26:00,246 Because literally, if you look at everybody that you meet, we're all sort of 407 00:26:00,246 --> 00:26:02,626 a preacher of our past. 408 00:26:02,626 --> 00:26:07,846 There are things in our past that have made us how we are and how we're like. 409 00:26:07,846 --> 00:26:09,298 But at the same time, 410 00:26:09,298 --> 00:26:12,998 There's an innate quality in us that's created, that's there right at the 411 00:26:12,998 --> 00:26:18,658 beginning, that nobody else is like, that's individual, that's unique. 412 00:26:19,038 --> 00:26:25,517 And there's something in me that wants to unlock that for them, for other people, to 413 00:26:25,517 --> 00:26:29,058 find the thing that will make them run. 414 00:26:29,058 --> 00:26:33,138 You know, I meet, and you do, you know, we meet so many people in our lives who've 415 00:26:33,138 --> 00:26:37,554 got such a passion, such a vision, such an emotional desire. 416 00:26:37,554 --> 00:26:42,434 to go forward and to help other people, to help them change and to help them grow. 417 00:26:42,534 --> 00:26:47,754 But quite often they put blocks in their own way and they don't access the part of 418 00:26:47,754 --> 00:26:51,494 them that would really spur them forward and get them taking action. 419 00:26:51,494 --> 00:26:58,474 And now I feel like I want to understand why so that I can help them unlock that 420 00:26:58,474 --> 00:27:04,338 part of them and so that they can access whatever their superpower is. 421 00:27:04,338 --> 00:27:04,690 And... 422 00:27:04,690 --> 00:27:08,830 enable themselves to really change the world, to really get out there and meet 423 00:27:08,830 --> 00:27:12,250 the people they should meet and change the lives that they should change. 424 00:27:12,250 --> 00:27:17,750 Because at the end of the day, there's something in me that believes all of us 425 00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:19,090 have a calling. 426 00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:20,790 It's up to us to listen to it. 427 00:27:20,790 --> 00:27:24,530 If we don't listen to it, you know what, we're never going to find the fulfillment 428 00:27:24,530 --> 00:27:26,670 that we are capable of. 429 00:27:26,670 --> 00:27:32,178 But if we will listen to that calling and answer it and go and do that. 430 00:27:32,178 --> 00:27:39,058 and take that sort of step forward, then the fulfillment that you get in life is so 431 00:27:39,058 --> 00:27:40,478 much more powerful. 432 00:27:40,578 --> 00:27:44,878 It's so much bigger, it's so much wider, it's so much more rewarding. 433 00:27:47,924 --> 00:27:54,824 completely relate to this wanting to know more and feeling there's more and then 434 00:27:54,824 --> 00:27:56,194 choosing it. 435 00:27:56,194 --> 00:28:01,444 Because it's not easy to choose to become expansive, to choose to leave those old 436 00:28:01,444 --> 00:28:04,684 patterns behind, especially when you've had that drummed into you. 437 00:28:04,684 --> 00:28:06,704 You're a problem child. 438 00:28:06,704 --> 00:28:08,704 You don't conform. 439 00:28:08,704 --> 00:28:10,184 You're this, you're that, the other. 440 00:28:10,184 --> 00:28:15,940 And then, you know, all those kinds of things are incredibly limiting for people. 441 00:28:16,044 --> 00:28:17,184 But you've not allowed that. 442 00:28:17,184 --> 00:28:22,924 And certainly when you, when you got diagnosed with that, you thought, yay, I 443 00:28:22,924 --> 00:28:23,784 know what I am. 444 00:28:23,784 --> 00:28:30,124 I've got more sense of who I am, but you've, you've, you're allowing that 445 00:28:30,124 --> 00:28:33,204 you're giving yourself permission to expand. 446 00:28:33,204 --> 00:28:36,504 I mean, I love the idea of the cookie box being opened Pandora's box being opened 447 00:28:36,504 --> 00:28:39,084 and you can do whatever you want. 448 00:28:39,084 --> 00:28:40,384 and that curiosity. 449 00:29:06,669 --> 00:29:12,229 I want to go back a little bit and look at asking about ADHD, whether you've got it. 450 00:29:12,229 --> 00:29:18,369 What's the kind of conversations you want or who do you want to talk to, to get a 451 00:29:18,369 --> 00:29:22,492 sense of, of whether, whether you are struggling with ADHD. 452 00:29:53,838 --> 00:29:58,538 I think think of all, there's actually a lot more help and support now and there 453 00:29:58,538 --> 00:30:02,398 are people, there are organisations who you can talk to. 454 00:30:02,398 --> 00:30:05,888 I'm just trying to think what the website is, but we'll have to find it and add it. 455 00:30:05,888 --> 00:30:10,418 But there is a sort of self diagnosis route that you can follow. 456 00:30:10,478 --> 00:30:13,328 There's quite a lot of stuff on YouTube, of course, as well, that people start 457 00:30:13,328 --> 00:30:14,468 talking about it. 458 00:30:14,468 --> 00:30:18,168 But I would say don't get lost down rabbit holes, which you're probably quite used to 459 00:30:18,168 --> 00:30:19,188 doing. 460 00:30:19,428 --> 00:30:30,088 Just really kind of look for people who are ADHD or who are sort of qualified in 461 00:30:30,088 --> 00:30:30,818 working with people. 462 00:30:30,818 --> 00:30:35,568 And what I found is, and what's most interesting is that most people, it seems 463 00:30:35,568 --> 00:30:36,758 to me anyway, 464 00:30:36,904 --> 00:30:43,804 that work successfully with people who have ADHD are themselves ADHD. 465 00:31:16,156 --> 00:31:18,316 So, but the first thing literally goes to your doctor. 466 00:31:18,316 --> 00:31:23,656 They will give you a form to fill in and it's an interesting form because if you 467 00:31:23,656 --> 00:31:24,108 have, 468 00:31:24,108 --> 00:31:27,388 got any of the traits, you'll know them, you'll know them. 469 00:31:27,388 --> 00:31:31,328 You know, it's sort of you tick which ones work for you know, are suitable for you. 470 00:31:31,328 --> 00:31:34,988 Well, you wouldn't even be looking at that form if some of them weren't, I can tell 471 00:31:34,988 --> 00:31:36,048 you that now. 472 00:31:36,048 --> 00:31:39,828 And when you do look at it, you just honestly, you'll just laugh. 473 00:31:39,828 --> 00:31:43,788 If you've got any of those traits, you'd be just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 474 00:31:43,788 --> 00:31:46,388 Okay, maybe that's not quite so strong, but that one is. 475 00:31:46,388 --> 00:31:53,040 And that in itself, just doing that is massively releasing. 476 00:31:53,100 --> 00:31:58,700 because suddenly, almost like on this official document, there's a recognition 477 00:31:58,700 --> 00:32:05,600 of a personality type, of a behavioral sort of experience that you've had. 478 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:10,580 And even just doing that makes you realise that you're not odd, that you're not 479 00:32:10,580 --> 00:32:17,104 strange, and that you are, you're just working a different way. 480 00:32:17,104 --> 00:32:21,864 if you're asking yourself those questions or, and it may not be ADHD, it could be 481 00:32:21,864 --> 00:32:22,194 anything. 482 00:32:22,194 --> 00:32:26,724 It could be any other kind of neurodivergent experience that you've had. 483 00:32:26,724 --> 00:32:33,464 If, if you know that there are times when you feel different and you don't 484 00:32:33,464 --> 00:32:39,604 understand it, then I would definitely say, speak to somebody, you know, talk to 485 00:32:39,604 --> 00:32:43,644 us, contact us, find somebody that you can talk to that you can actually express 486 00:32:43,644 --> 00:32:45,640 yourself to and say, 487 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,440 what it is that you feel is different. 488 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:55,100 Because believe me, those differences create a space for you to achieve 489 00:32:55,100 --> 00:33:00,100 something dynamic and something new and something fresh. 490 00:33:00,100 --> 00:33:02,410 And it isn't a hindrance. 491 00:33:02,410 --> 00:33:05,300 It's not a hindrance once you understand how you work. 492 00:33:05,300 --> 00:33:06,210 It's the opposite. 493 00:33:06,210 --> 00:33:12,000 It's like taking the lid off a whole new beginning and taking you into a space that 494 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:12,680 is... 495 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,040 changing your world and it will change the world of other people around you. 496 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:20,940 So, but that's the first thing I would do, literally talk to the doctor and ask them. 497 00:33:20,940 --> 00:33:26,300 Don't take no for an answer by the way, because some of them will say, no, no, no, 498 00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:27,340 we haven't got time for that. 499 00:33:27,340 --> 00:33:29,200 Just say it's my right. 500 00:33:29,620 --> 00:33:34,280 It's my right and I want to explore this because I don't think I'm achieving my 501 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:35,564 full potential and I want to. 502 00:33:35,564 --> 00:33:40,344 And it's really worth reaching out to, obviously you could reach out here, but 503 00:33:40,344 --> 00:33:47,504 you could also reach out to similar places where there are people who are struggling 504 00:33:47,504 --> 00:33:51,244 or have struggled with it themselves and start talking to them. 505 00:33:51,244 --> 00:33:57,124 Because once you understand yourself, you'll have the confidence to stop the 506 00:33:57,124 --> 00:34:00,244 criticism and to not live underneath it anymore. 507 00:34:00,244 --> 00:34:02,480 If you've been living your life, 508 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:10,060 with constant nagging or criticism or being blamed for things that you're not 509 00:34:10,060 --> 00:34:12,440 achieving that they think you should have achieved. 510 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,670 If that's how you've been living your life, then you can't talk to those people, 511 00:34:16,670 --> 00:34:18,020 not yet. 512 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,480 But once you've found somebody that you can talk to about it and once you've 513 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,420 understood yourself and how you work, it's amazing the difference that you can go 514 00:34:25,420 --> 00:34:29,872 back and start living in who you really are. 515 00:34:30,008 --> 00:34:33,268 and appreciating who you really are and seeing the benefits in it. 516 00:34:33,268 --> 00:34:39,188 And you know, once you start doing that, what I've noticed is that other people 517 00:34:39,188 --> 00:34:44,948 start recognising your gifts rather than the things they thought were problems. 518 00:34:45,068 --> 00:34:49,908 And it's just because you're living in it now and you're appreciating it. 519 00:34:49,908 --> 00:34:54,908 So, but that's the, I would definitely go to that website first and listen to this 520 00:34:54,908 --> 00:34:55,268 guy. 521 00:34:55,268 --> 00:34:57,212 I think he was really, really helpful to me. 522 00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:22,680 Yeah, we'll put that information in the show notes for that. 523 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:29,060 Was there shame that you weren't, let's call it normal, that society, school said 524 00:35:29,060 --> 00:35:31,100 you're not good enough and things like that? 525 00:35:31,100 --> 00:35:38,260 Did you beat yourself up for that kind of lack, perceived lack that society was 526 00:35:38,260 --> 00:35:41,459 throwing you away? 527 00:35:41,459 --> 00:35:44,359 That's a really interesting question for me. 528 00:35:44,559 --> 00:35:52,419 There were times that I did, just because of the situation in our area, the 529 00:35:52,419 --> 00:35:53,939 education system. 530 00:35:54,219 --> 00:35:59,419 I'm number six child in our family, and between number five and number six going 531 00:35:59,419 --> 00:36:04,059 to high school, comprehensive schools were created. 532 00:36:04,059 --> 00:36:08,947 And the local grammar school that my sisters had gone to became a... 533 00:36:08,947 --> 00:36:12,547 11 form entry comprehensive school overnight and it drew children from all 534 00:36:12,547 --> 00:36:15,477 over the place and it became a very difficult school to be in. 535 00:36:15,477 --> 00:36:18,167 My parents wouldn't send me there as well. 536 00:36:18,227 --> 00:36:23,907 So I actually went to an all girls direct grant school where my mom and dad had to 537 00:36:23,907 --> 00:36:25,347 give some money for it. 538 00:36:25,347 --> 00:36:29,687 They didn't pay the whole amount, you know, because a certain amount paid, but 539 00:36:29,687 --> 00:36:32,167 it was a huge sacrifice for them. 540 00:36:32,167 --> 00:36:36,619 And so I found it very difficult to talk about the struggles. 541 00:36:36,979 --> 00:36:41,359 because I didn't want them to feel that I was letting them down. 542 00:36:41,359 --> 00:36:44,829 So I sort of kept an awful lot to myself, bullying that went on. 543 00:36:44,829 --> 00:36:47,939 And also just things like my teacher telling me I'd gotten no imagination and 544 00:36:47,939 --> 00:36:48,749 all of these things. 545 00:36:48,749 --> 00:36:51,759 I just sort of just kept that all to myself, really. 546 00:36:51,759 --> 00:36:57,559 So I'd look at my next sister down, Katie, and she was very academic. 547 00:36:57,559 --> 00:36:59,719 Her writing was beautiful and all of them. 548 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,699 My writing was very untidy. 549 00:37:01,699 --> 00:37:06,619 And I would feel that she was... 550 00:37:07,123 --> 00:37:12,103 Yeah, just more academic than me and that I just couldn't match up to that. 551 00:37:12,183 --> 00:37:19,003 But I was fortunate enough to be very, very good at maths and she wasn't. 552 00:37:19,003 --> 00:37:23,583 So I think I kind of excused the other things and sort of thought, well, that's, 553 00:37:23,583 --> 00:37:26,703 that's okay, because that's what I'm good at. 554 00:37:26,703 --> 00:37:31,963 And, and I think, to be honest, I think because underneath it all, I've always 555 00:37:31,963 --> 00:37:34,123 known how much loved I am. 556 00:37:34,123 --> 00:37:37,283 That really carried me through in a lot of ways. 557 00:37:37,299 --> 00:37:43,439 So even when I didn't quite feel I was fitting in, I knew at home that I was 558 00:37:43,439 --> 00:37:44,099 loved. 559 00:37:44,099 --> 00:37:48,719 So that really, really helped me sort of go through those years. 560 00:37:48,879 --> 00:37:50,599 But shame came more in. 561 00:37:50,599 --> 00:37:55,539 It wasn't that I felt shame that somebody else caused that, but there was that kind 562 00:37:55,539 --> 00:38:01,319 of sense of failure that I wasn't achieving what I thought I ought to be 563 00:38:01,319 --> 00:38:03,619 able to achieve. 564 00:38:03,619 --> 00:38:06,867 And as I say, I would just excuse it and say, well, I'm, you know. 565 00:38:06,867 --> 00:38:08,847 I'm just not that academic. 566 00:38:08,847 --> 00:38:13,727 But truthfully, had I had the support that I could have had now, I probably would 567 00:38:13,727 --> 00:38:19,067 have achieved the same results that she did, I think, and all the others did. 568 00:38:19,067 --> 00:38:25,187 My dad was a little bit, for my dad, 100 % was good, 95 % wasn't. 569 00:38:25,187 --> 00:38:29,127 He was a real, and that was a struggle. 570 00:38:29,127 --> 00:38:34,603 There were times when I found that really hard and it wasn't until he... 571 00:38:34,675 --> 00:38:38,275 Not long before he died, really, that I fully understood where that came from 572 00:38:38,275 --> 00:38:42,695 because of his dad being so oppressive. 573 00:38:43,015 --> 00:38:46,875 My dad wanted to give us all the opportunities he could do and his way of 574 00:38:46,875 --> 00:38:49,735 doing that was to try and open these doors for us. 575 00:38:49,815 --> 00:38:56,355 But I do think it does have, you know, shame has such an important role in all of 576 00:38:56,355 --> 00:38:56,575 this. 577 00:38:56,575 --> 00:39:00,215 And I think there's a lot of people out there just because they don't understand 578 00:39:00,215 --> 00:39:04,627 themselves and the people who love them don't understand them either. 579 00:39:04,627 --> 00:39:11,647 And it can really stop you from achieving your full potential if that's where you're 580 00:39:11,647 --> 00:39:11,966 at. 581 00:39:17,384 --> 00:39:18,424 Thank you for that, Angela. 582 00:39:18,424 --> 00:39:22,964 I think you were, it sounds like you were very blessed with your family, just having 583 00:39:22,964 --> 00:39:24,224 that love and the support. 584 00:39:24,224 --> 00:39:46,740 And that is incredibly important, isn't it? 585 00:39:46,740 --> 00:39:53,150 How are you able to make sense of it and use your newfound superpowers? 586 00:39:53,150 --> 00:40:00,779 What are you experiencing that is really helping you move forwards? 587 00:40:00,779 --> 00:40:05,259 I think most of all I'm experiencing a real joy in who I am. 588 00:40:05,259 --> 00:40:10,199 Probably not that I didn't enjoy who I was before. 589 00:40:10,599 --> 00:40:17,759 I've always valued the gifts that I've got and I know that I've been able to help 590 00:40:17,759 --> 00:40:22,579 other people and be able to do things for other people that maybe they couldn't do. 591 00:40:22,779 --> 00:40:25,379 I mean that's got me into difficult situations at times because I've 592 00:40:25,379 --> 00:40:28,979 volunteered to do something without thinking in fact that actually I will hate 593 00:40:28,979 --> 00:40:30,123 doing that thing. 594 00:40:30,123 --> 00:40:33,243 just because, you know, my hands got up. 595 00:40:33,663 --> 00:40:41,443 But what it's given me now is a huge desire, even more than it was before, to 596 00:40:41,443 --> 00:40:46,303 help people really find their full fulfillment, to really achieve what 597 00:40:46,303 --> 00:40:50,623 they're capable of, no matter what bars may have been put in their path 598 00:40:50,623 --> 00:40:55,573 beforehand, and may have been sort of the way that they've been limited growing up. 599 00:40:55,573 --> 00:40:58,371 You know, I just want to... 600 00:40:58,667 --> 00:41:00,047 I want to get out there more. 601 00:41:00,047 --> 00:41:06,127 I want to enable other people to be seen, to be heard, to make sure that they are 602 00:41:06,127 --> 00:41:07,727 reaching the people they should be reaching. 603 00:41:07,727 --> 00:41:12,407 And I think it's given me really to put fuel in my tank. 604 00:41:12,407 --> 00:41:16,947 If I was firing on 10 cylinders before I'm now firing on 20. 605 00:41:16,947 --> 00:41:22,847 But because it's made me realize what my limitations are also, and therefore that I 606 00:41:22,847 --> 00:41:28,203 need help with those things, that's given me, I think, the scope to be able to 607 00:41:28,203 --> 00:41:31,103 to do more and to achieve more. 608 00:41:31,103 --> 00:41:38,223 Because now I don't feel that who I am is a bit odd. 609 00:41:38,223 --> 00:41:45,303 Now I feel like that I am who I'm supposed to be. 610 00:41:45,303 --> 00:41:48,793 And that means I need to help other people to be who they're supposed to be. 611 00:41:48,793 --> 00:41:54,423 And if that means that if they can be who they're supposed to be by helping me to 612 00:41:54,423 --> 00:41:56,169 achieve what I can achieve. 613 00:41:56,427 --> 00:41:57,857 then that's even better, isn't it? 614 00:41:57,857 --> 00:42:00,887 Because I'm opening doors for them on the other side as well. 615 00:42:00,887 --> 00:42:06,137 So there's, yeah, I just, I just feel really excited. 616 00:42:06,137 --> 00:42:08,877 I feel like I've got a whole new energy. 617 00:42:08,877 --> 00:42:11,655 I already believed in what I was doing. 618 00:42:13,195 --> 00:42:16,415 and things were happening, but I didn't really understand them. 619 00:42:16,415 --> 00:42:20,735 Now I couldn't be more committed to it. 620 00:42:20,735 --> 00:42:27,095 And I'm determined to make it a space for anybody who's out there who is not 621 00:42:27,095 --> 00:42:33,935 achieving their full potential, who's been labeled, who's been stuck, who's been 622 00:42:33,935 --> 00:42:39,135 criticised, who's probably not had the same opportunities that I might've had, 623 00:42:39,135 --> 00:42:40,011 then... 624 00:42:40,011 --> 00:42:42,531 I want to see them get those opportunities. 625 00:42:42,531 --> 00:42:49,251 I want to see them finding themselves the confidence to believe in who they are and 626 00:42:49,251 --> 00:42:54,312 just make it possible to open the doors for them. 627 00:42:54,312 --> 00:42:55,852 I think that's wonderful. 628 00:42:55,852 --> 00:42:59,992 And what I'm also sensing from that is you asked for help. 629 00:42:59,992 --> 00:43:05,272 You realized something wasn't right or you got an inclination and you asked for help. 630 00:43:05,332 --> 00:43:10,452 And what you're surrounding yourself with people who can tap in and help you where 631 00:43:10,452 --> 00:43:14,012 you're not perfect, where they can do the job better. 632 00:43:14,012 --> 00:43:16,762 And that's supporting you to help other people. 633 00:43:16,762 --> 00:43:22,804 So you're building that raft around you to help other people. 634 00:43:22,888 --> 00:43:24,158 I had to do that. 635 00:43:24,158 --> 00:43:28,008 I had to ask for help and it's very, very hard. 636 00:43:28,428 --> 00:43:30,278 Very hard for me to do that. 637 00:43:30,278 --> 00:43:33,898 But yeah, I had, when I did, so many things changed. 638 00:43:33,898 --> 00:43:39,238 I think you're giving people permission to say, hey, something's not right. 639 00:43:39,238 --> 00:43:40,178 Ask for help. 640 00:43:40,178 --> 00:43:43,778 And I think that just oils the cogs, doesn't it? 641 00:43:43,778 --> 00:43:48,488 Makes it easier for you, makes it easier for everybody when they go, let's have a 642 00:43:48,488 --> 00:43:48,938 look at this. 643 00:43:48,938 --> 00:43:49,968 What's not working? 644 00:43:49,968 --> 00:43:51,708 Why are things not working in my life? 645 00:43:51,708 --> 00:43:52,908 What's wrong? 646 00:43:54,212 --> 00:43:57,042 and yeah, that's where the magic is. 647 00:43:57,042 --> 00:44:24,928 Daring to be that little bit vulnerable and then saying, I want some help. 648 00:44:24,928 --> 00:44:30,888 was the most significant thing that you sort of learned or experienced when being 649 00:44:30,888 --> 00:44:38,677 diagnosed with ADHD? 650 00:44:38,970 --> 00:44:54,411 the most significant thing was that I had been aware really for a long time that I 651 00:44:54,411 --> 00:45:01,751 was different from most of my family and most of the people around me. 652 00:45:01,751 --> 00:45:04,071 But I didn't know what to do with it. 653 00:45:04,071 --> 00:45:05,603 So I just... 654 00:45:05,611 --> 00:45:12,051 I built my life around it and used it in whatever way I could. 655 00:45:12,051 --> 00:45:16,751 And I would have questions in my mind going around, but I would never talk about 656 00:45:16,751 --> 00:45:16,911 it. 657 00:45:16,911 --> 00:45:19,091 So I didn't ask anybody else what they thought. 658 00:45:19,091 --> 00:45:22,651 I just, I was just who I was, if you like. 659 00:45:22,671 --> 00:45:31,911 So the most significant thing for me is what a joy it is to find reasons for 660 00:45:31,911 --> 00:45:35,243 things and to understand myself. 661 00:45:35,243 --> 00:45:40,063 And also what a joy is to give other people the opportunity to do the same 662 00:45:40,063 --> 00:45:42,883 thing and to encourage them to do the same thing. 663 00:45:42,883 --> 00:45:46,343 So, and it could, and it doesn't really matter what it is that you're confused 664 00:45:46,343 --> 00:45:51,163 about or what you're puzzled about or what the end result is. 665 00:45:51,163 --> 00:45:57,743 But I think it's just given me a sort of an energy around opening the door for 666 00:45:57,743 --> 00:46:02,853 other people to explore themselves in a greater way and to not accept. 667 00:46:03,531 --> 00:46:07,491 the status quo and not to accept the things that people said. 668 00:46:07,731 --> 00:46:11,831 And they could have said this, you know, 30, 40, 50 years ago, however it is. 669 00:46:11,831 --> 00:46:17,515 And you could have lived your life based on what other people said. 670 00:46:17,515 --> 00:46:24,655 And I've been fortunate, truly fortunate to have had people around me who've seen, 671 00:46:24,655 --> 00:46:29,355 just who've seen good things in me and who've encouraged me to do the things that 672 00:46:29,355 --> 00:46:30,655 I've done. 673 00:46:30,735 --> 00:46:34,555 And I don't know, I don't know what I would have done had I been diagnosed at 674 00:46:34,555 --> 00:46:38,175 school and maybe life would have been completely different, but I feel like I 675 00:46:38,175 --> 00:46:44,795 have been very fortunate and I'm very grateful for the love and the support that 676 00:46:44,795 --> 00:46:46,411 I've had in different ways. 677 00:46:46,411 --> 00:46:52,071 But now I feel even more grateful because I feel like now understanding and knowing 678 00:46:52,071 --> 00:46:58,031 who I am and how I work, I can really appreciate even more what they do for me 679 00:46:58,031 --> 00:46:59,471 and what they have done. 680 00:46:59,471 --> 00:47:02,771 And now I can even ask in a new way. 681 00:47:02,771 --> 00:47:04,701 But I ask through confidence now. 682 00:47:04,701 --> 00:47:07,531 I don't ask through apology. 683 00:47:07,951 --> 00:47:12,051 You know, I ask because I know who I am and I know what will make me work better 684 00:47:12,051 --> 00:47:14,531 and I know how I'll be able to achieve more. 685 00:47:14,859 --> 00:47:19,039 And I think that's been a huge step forward for me that I don't need to 686 00:47:19,039 --> 00:47:23,319 apologize or feel bad about asking for something. 687 00:47:23,319 --> 00:47:27,259 It's good to ask because I recognize that I need. 688 00:47:27,259 --> 00:47:32,559 And, you know, again, that's something I would love to help other people to do, to 689 00:47:32,559 --> 00:47:34,479 find what is it that you need? 690 00:47:34,479 --> 00:47:37,459 And the fact that if you need it, that's not because you're a failure. 691 00:47:37,679 --> 00:47:39,729 That's just because you are who you are. 692 00:47:39,729 --> 00:47:41,579 You know, we've all got gifts. 693 00:47:41,579 --> 00:47:42,939 We've all got strengths. 694 00:47:42,939 --> 00:47:45,002 We've all got, 695 00:47:45,163 --> 00:47:48,643 ways that we can support and help other people, but we've also got needs and 696 00:47:48,643 --> 00:47:51,323 weaknesses and things that we're not so good at. 697 00:47:51,323 --> 00:47:56,043 And understanding and accepting all of that doesn't mean, it means that you're 698 00:47:56,043 --> 00:48:02,843 accepting your greatness and acknowledging your weakness and that both are really 699 00:48:02,843 --> 00:48:03,783 good. 700 00:48:03,783 --> 00:48:09,163 And I think at the end of the day, if we could do everything, we'd be terrible 701 00:48:09,163 --> 00:48:10,723 people to live with. 702 00:48:10,763 --> 00:48:11,813 We'd be awful, wouldn't we? 703 00:48:11,813 --> 00:48:14,891 If we could do everything, if we were perfect with everything. 704 00:48:14,891 --> 00:48:18,631 Nobody would want to be off rent, you know, because they feel like complete 705 00:48:18,631 --> 00:48:19,751 disasters. 706 00:48:19,771 --> 00:48:23,931 So actually acknowledging that there are weaknesses then you can't do everything. 707 00:48:23,931 --> 00:48:28,680 It's really helpful to the other people around you. 708 00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:33,790 I think that is one of the most brilliant things I've heard for a long time. 709 00:48:33,790 --> 00:48:39,090 I love that because I'm not proud of aspects of who I am. 710 00:48:39,090 --> 00:48:40,520 I don't have the tidiest house. 711 00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,280 I don't have certain things. 712 00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,440 I'm not saying I'm going to immediately ask for someone to come and move in with 713 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:51,980 me and be my cleaner, but I think it's really important to be aware of those 714 00:48:51,980 --> 00:48:57,360 weaknesses and those bits and get people to help you with them. 715 00:48:58,152 --> 00:49:01,452 Whether it's you helping each other, certainly in that relationship, you said 716 00:49:01,452 --> 00:49:05,692 your husband was able to do the day to day cleaning and then you would do the once a 717 00:49:05,692 --> 00:49:08,372 year cleaning when he took them all away and things like that. 718 00:49:08,372 --> 00:49:14,072 It is a teamwork and I love the way you phrase that. 719 00:49:14,072 --> 00:49:19,652 Don't be ashamed, don't be sad, don't be embarrassed about having to ask for help 720 00:49:19,652 --> 00:49:25,492 because two people work much better than one person or a team even better still. 721 00:49:25,492 --> 00:49:55,712 And I think that's really, really important. 722 00:49:55,712 --> 00:50:00,652 Did you have any unhealthy coping strategies or healthy coping strategies as 723 00:50:00,652 --> 00:50:04,424 ways of managing how you 724 00:50:04,424 --> 00:50:08,267 did things and how you overcame things. 725 00:50:08,267 --> 00:50:14,387 I did have sort of unhealthy strategies around sleep. 726 00:50:14,767 --> 00:50:17,647 That has always been a problem. 727 00:50:17,647 --> 00:50:24,147 And so I went through a period of convincing myself that I would just have 728 00:50:24,147 --> 00:50:25,007 to get up. 729 00:50:25,007 --> 00:50:29,047 And so I would, you know, as soon as I woke up in the night, I would get up and 730 00:50:29,047 --> 00:50:32,667 go and get myself a cup of tea and sort of listen to a story or something. 731 00:50:32,667 --> 00:50:36,047 And I'd sort of convinced myself that that was because I couldn't get back to sleep 732 00:50:36,047 --> 00:50:36,919 again. 733 00:50:37,035 --> 00:50:41,655 And I was constantly quite tired, but also very driven. 734 00:50:41,655 --> 00:50:45,915 So I could still work at quite a high level. 735 00:50:45,915 --> 00:50:50,075 But it wasn't very healthy for me, should we say. 736 00:50:50,075 --> 00:50:55,955 And so I'd started to develop some strategies around that. 737 00:50:55,955 --> 00:50:58,925 And without, I realised I couldn't switch off. 738 00:50:58,925 --> 00:51:04,095 So the only way I could switch off was to listen to an audio book. 739 00:51:04,295 --> 00:51:05,771 And so I'd... 740 00:51:05,771 --> 00:51:09,751 sort of developed this strategy of using earphones and listening to audible at 741 00:51:09,751 --> 00:51:10,611 nighttime. 742 00:51:10,611 --> 00:51:14,771 But it was really interesting because I had to be quite careful what I was 743 00:51:14,771 --> 00:51:16,091 listening to. 744 00:51:16,191 --> 00:51:17,971 It couldn't be too interesting. 745 00:51:17,971 --> 00:51:19,931 And it couldn't be. 746 00:51:20,671 --> 00:51:25,091 If I put the time, I put the timer on and if I put the timer on for like 15 minutes, 747 00:51:25,091 --> 00:51:29,931 a half an hour, my brain said, well, you can stay away long enough to listen to 748 00:51:29,931 --> 00:51:30,763 this. 749 00:51:30,763 --> 00:51:33,333 So I would still stay awake and it wouldn't help me at all. 750 00:51:33,333 --> 00:51:35,603 And then I'd put it on for another half hour and then I'd be awake for another 751 00:51:35,603 --> 00:51:35,993 half hour. 752 00:51:35,993 --> 00:51:40,663 But then I realised that if I put it on for 60 minutes, my brain would say, you'll 753 00:51:40,663 --> 00:51:42,303 never stay awake for that long. 754 00:51:42,303 --> 00:51:44,623 And actually I would fall asleep straight away. 755 00:51:44,643 --> 00:51:49,563 So I developed this strategy, which my husband didn't even know I was doing 756 00:51:49,563 --> 00:51:54,023 because I was very quietly putting an earphone in my ear. 757 00:51:54,023 --> 00:51:57,903 But that's actually been probably one of the best strategies. 758 00:51:58,923 --> 00:52:04,663 I had ever thought of and now I know why I couldn't switch off, but now I know the 759 00:52:04,663 --> 00:52:05,703 way that I can. 760 00:52:05,703 --> 00:52:09,103 And so, you know, that's something that I would say to other people if they have 761 00:52:09,103 --> 00:52:15,403 that problem, then for me, it's medieval mysteries that I can listen to at night 762 00:52:15,403 --> 00:52:17,163 time. 763 00:52:17,163 --> 00:52:20,963 And so, and it takes a long, long time to finish the book, but I have to keep going 764 00:52:20,963 --> 00:52:25,003 back to the bit that I fell asleep in, but it's a brilliant way for me to be able to 765 00:52:25,003 --> 00:52:25,543 turn off. 766 00:52:25,543 --> 00:52:26,371 So that's... 767 00:52:26,475 --> 00:58:05,900 that kind of was developed by accident, but it's definitely worth a try. 768 00:58:05,900 --> 00:58:08,648 So Angela, tell me a little about your... 769 00:58:08,648 --> 00:58:11,988 job and your business and what you do because you've talked about helping people 770 00:58:11,988 --> 00:58:16,811 and things like that and I know this is a passion of yours. 771 00:58:16,811 --> 00:58:20,691 Yeah, so the business itself is called Succeed From the Start. 772 00:58:20,691 --> 00:58:25,811 And the story behind it was literally having discovered myself and pouring money 773 00:58:25,811 --> 00:58:28,891 down the drain, asking all the wrong people to help me. 774 00:58:28,891 --> 00:58:31,551 And then realizing that I wasn't alone. 775 00:58:31,551 --> 00:58:35,431 And there was a lot of other people who'd done the same thing during lockdown. 776 00:58:35,431 --> 00:58:40,231 So I started the business with a view to help those who are heart led, those who 777 00:58:40,231 --> 00:58:44,091 are passion driven, who know that they've got a mission, who know that they want to 778 00:58:44,091 --> 00:58:46,251 change people's lives. 779 00:58:46,251 --> 00:58:50,551 And for whom it's actually their first calling. 780 00:58:50,551 --> 00:58:52,291 So yes, of course they want to earn a living. 781 00:58:52,291 --> 00:58:53,971 Yes, they need to pay their bills. 782 00:58:53,971 --> 00:58:57,611 But what drives them forward is a need to change people's lives and to bring 783 00:58:57,611 --> 00:58:59,431 transformation. 784 00:58:59,431 --> 00:59:04,751 And that's, most of those people or many of those people find it difficult to ask 785 00:59:04,751 --> 00:59:05,291 for money. 786 00:59:05,291 --> 00:59:07,291 They find it difficult to know what to charge anyway. 787 00:59:07,291 --> 00:59:11,131 And they also often find it difficult to structure their ideas. 788 00:59:11,211 --> 00:59:13,379 And I began to hear... 789 00:59:13,803 --> 00:59:18,783 People who kept saying, you've got to identify this niche, this very specific 790 00:59:18,783 --> 00:59:21,033 niche, and you can only work in that specific niche. 791 00:59:21,033 --> 00:59:24,943 And the more that I listened, the more that I realized that that's not true. 792 00:59:24,943 --> 00:59:30,343 That for many of us who are heart led, who have that passion inside of us, we can 793 00:59:30,343 --> 00:59:31,943 actually help an awful lot of people. 794 00:59:31,943 --> 00:59:35,103 It's the change that we make that's the most important. 795 00:59:35,103 --> 00:59:39,199 And that once you start talking about the change that you make in people's lives. 796 00:59:39,435 --> 00:59:42,755 the right people that draw towards you, the right people are brought towards you. 797 00:59:42,755 --> 00:59:47,735 So Succeed from the Start is all about being part of a community that will help 798 00:59:47,735 --> 00:59:53,775 and support you to help others to make the change that you can make. 799 00:59:53,775 --> 00:59:56,565 And so it gives all the structure around the business. 800 00:59:56,565 --> 00:59:58,235 It's got the technical side. 801 00:59:58,235 --> 01:00:04,995 So all the sort of stuff that you need, like email marketing and social media 802 01:00:04,995 --> 01:00:08,843 posts and all of those things, landing pages, all the bits that often 803 01:00:08,843 --> 01:00:13,803 Those of us who are heart led find difficult or we get a little bit 804 01:00:13,803 --> 01:00:15,543 overwhelmed by. 805 01:00:15,543 --> 01:00:20,683 All our members have access to all of that where they get all the support that they 806 01:00:20,683 --> 01:00:22,253 need to run those systems. 807 01:00:22,253 --> 01:00:25,883 And if they want to, people to help them run them as well. 808 01:00:25,883 --> 01:00:29,303 So support to actually do the work for them if that's what they want. 809 01:00:29,383 --> 01:00:35,103 And then there's also course building software, but most of all, it's the 810 01:00:35,103 --> 01:00:38,571 support that you get of being part of a network of others. 811 01:00:38,571 --> 01:00:44,091 who are purpose -driven, who will support you and answer your questions, and who 812 01:00:44,091 --> 01:00:48,691 will get alongside you if you're struggling, who will lift you up if you 813 01:00:48,691 --> 01:00:54,810 feel like you're failing, with very much the view that together we're stronger and 814 01:00:54,810 --> 01:00:56,871 that together we rise. 815 01:00:56,871 --> 01:00:58,931 And it's not about competition. 816 01:00:58,931 --> 01:01:01,591 It's not about squashing people out of the way. 817 01:01:01,591 --> 01:01:03,843 It's about building each other up. 818 01:01:04,235 --> 01:01:08,175 and drawing strength from each other and knowledge and information. 819 01:01:08,175 --> 01:01:11,025 And if I've learned something, then you can learn it too. 820 01:01:11,025 --> 01:01:14,695 And vice versa is a gift to each other. 821 01:01:14,695 --> 01:01:18,165 And that for me inspires the whole community. 822 01:01:18,165 --> 01:01:25,095 And that's why I'm determined for it to grow as big as it can grow in a way where 823 01:01:25,095 --> 01:01:31,208 everybody feels supported and nobody gets dropped through the cracks. 824 01:01:31,208 --> 01:01:31,888 Brilliant. 825 01:01:31,888 --> 01:01:32,928 I love it. 826 01:01:32,928 --> 01:01:37,268 Remind me again what it's called and then where can we find you and find out more 827 01:01:37,268 --> 01:01:41,003 about you and your business. 828 01:01:41,003 --> 01:01:45,022 So it's called Succeed From The Start and we have a website which is 829 01:01:45,022 --> 01:01:51,273 SucceedFromTheStart .com And you can email me at SucceedFromTheStart at gmail .com. 830 01:01:51,273 --> 01:01:55,603 Or of course you can find me on mostly LinkedIn and Facebook, although I'm on 831 01:01:55,603 --> 01:01:56,503 Instagram as well. 832 01:01:56,503 --> 01:02:01,903 But if you actually use the hashtag SucceedFromTheStart, you'll find us on 833 01:02:01,903 --> 01:02:04,843 Google if you search for Succeed From The Start too. 834 01:02:04,843 --> 01:02:06,963 And there's lots of ways to get in touch. 835 01:02:06,963 --> 01:02:10,951 And we'd love to hear from you and find out how we can help you succeed. 836 01:02:11,051 --> 01:02:14,591 and get your message out there and make sure that you're reaching the people that 837 01:02:14,591 --> 01:02:16,936 you should. 838 01:02:16,936 --> 01:02:17,736 Wonderful. 839 01:02:17,736 --> 01:02:19,036 Thank you. 840 01:02:19,036 --> 01:02:21,836 Thank you very much for that Angela. 841 01:02:21,836 --> 01:02:23,396 That is great. 842 01:02:23,396 --> 01:02:24,726 And then one last question. 843 01:02:24,726 --> 01:02:28,396 I think you've probably answered this, but what is your superpower that you've gained 844 01:02:28,396 --> 01:02:31,943 from your awakening? 845 01:02:31,943 --> 01:02:41,503 Do you know, I think it's the ability to recognise that I can go as far as I want 846 01:02:41,503 --> 01:02:48,363 to, that I have the capacity to achieve anything that I turn my hand to. 847 01:02:48,363 --> 01:02:55,563 And I think that the excitement in recognizing the power of my brain to make 848 01:02:55,563 --> 01:03:00,259 connections that I didn't even know were there, it's... 849 01:03:00,747 --> 01:03:03,807 It's opened so many doors and it's opening up even more now. 850 01:03:03,807 --> 01:03:09,704 So that's hugely rewarding. 851 01:03:09,704 --> 01:03:10,304 Lovely. 852 01:03:10,304 --> 01:03:12,203 Thank you. 853 01:03:12,244 --> 01:03:15,494 Well, thank you ever so much for your time with us today. 854 01:03:15,494 --> 01:03:19,384 I've thoroughly enjoyed chatting to you and I think it's been a wonderful message 855 01:03:19,384 --> 01:03:23,584 to help people who are wondering what is wrong with their life when really there's 856 01:03:23,584 --> 01:03:24,304 nothing wrong. 857 01:03:24,304 --> 01:03:26,604 They're just thinking differently and being differently. 858 01:03:26,604 --> 01:03:30,731 So thank you very much for sharing that today. 859 01:03:30,731 --> 01:03:36,381 Thank you for having me, it's been great. 860 01:03:37,163 --> 01:03:40,743 Thank you for listening to this episode of The Crucible, Conversations for the 861 01:03:40,743 --> 01:03:41,523 Curious. 862 01:03:41,523 --> 01:03:45,123 If these powerful stories of transformation resonated with you, be sure 863 01:03:45,123 --> 01:03:49,103 to like, subscribe and share this show with anyone who you think could do with a 864 01:03:49,103 --> 01:03:51,103 dose of inspiration for their own journey. 865 01:03:51,103 --> 01:03:54,363 I would really appreciate it if you could make any comments on your favourite 866 01:03:54,363 --> 01:03:57,683 podcast platform as well, that helps me reach more people. 867 01:03:57,683 --> 01:04:01,143 All the important links and information are in the show notes below. 868 01:04:01,143 --> 01:04:04,227 Thank you very much for listening and catch up with you soon.