1 00:00:02,478 --> 00:00:04,598 Alright, well here we go! 2 00:00:04,598 --> 00:00:08,238 Welcome to another episode of the Fuzz and Barrels podcast. 3 00:00:08,238 --> 00:00:12,758 I am your host Bobby Roberts and today we have a very special guest. 4 00:00:12,978 --> 00:00:18,658 Our guest today is coached all the way from Little League to Varsity High School. 5 00:00:18,658 --> 00:00:21,598 He's been an umpire for over 25 years. 6 00:00:21,598 --> 00:00:24,058 I don't know how he does it and keeps his sanity. 7 00:00:24,998 --> 00:00:30,093 He's been a lead president, I'm sorry, a coordinator of umpires for over 10 years. 8 00:00:30,093 --> 00:00:34,483 a league president out in California for six years, all kinds of different 9 00:00:34,483 --> 00:00:35,493 accolades. 10 00:00:35,493 --> 00:00:39,373 Please welcome today our very special guest, Mr. 11 00:00:39,373 --> 00:00:42,193 Juan Bustos. 12 00:00:43,273 --> 00:00:46,533 And I already messed up your name, it's Bustos. 13 00:00:46,533 --> 00:00:48,653 Oh, I got it right, it's Bustos. 14 00:00:48,673 --> 00:00:51,093 Okay, perfect, perfect, perfect. 15 00:00:51,093 --> 00:00:53,473 All right, so there we go. 16 00:00:53,473 --> 00:00:57,493 So Juan, man, thanks so much for having us, or not for having us, for me having 17 00:00:57,493 --> 00:00:59,660 you, but thanks so much for coming on today. 18 00:00:59,660 --> 00:01:03,940 It's awesome the stuff that you do on all the social media where you're chiming in 19 00:01:03,940 --> 00:01:05,520 on all the rules and everything. 20 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,620 So I really appreciate you coming on today. 21 00:01:08,620 --> 00:01:12,460 We're going to spend some time just really talking about baseball stuff. 22 00:01:12,660 --> 00:01:17,060 So I'd like to just get started on, man, just tell me a little bit about yourself 23 00:01:17,060 --> 00:01:24,740 and really key in on what made you get into the crazy profession of umpiring. 24 00:01:24,740 --> 00:01:26,818 I'm really interested to hear about that. 25 00:01:26,818 --> 00:01:27,758 Yeah, no thanks. 26 00:01:27,758 --> 00:01:28,468 Thanks for having me. 27 00:01:28,468 --> 00:01:30,498 First of all, thanks for having me. 28 00:01:30,518 --> 00:01:34,988 Um, you know, so it was, I don't know what got me into it. 29 00:01:34,988 --> 00:01:39,428 I don't know what brought me to umpire, but I remember I was 10 years old playing, 30 00:01:39,428 --> 00:01:43,138 um, um, in our Pee Wee league that we had back then. 31 00:01:43,138 --> 00:01:48,878 Then I aged out and I became an 11 year old, aged out, went up to the next league 32 00:01:48,878 --> 00:01:54,850 over and somehow my coach before for my little league, for my Pee Wee league. 33 00:01:54,850 --> 00:01:58,370 said, hey, we need two umpires each at the time each team needed to provide two 34 00:01:58,370 --> 00:01:59,050 umpires. 35 00:01:59,050 --> 00:02:02,470 So he had his son and he said, do you want to umpire the other game? 36 00:02:02,470 --> 00:02:04,050 I was like, um, sure. 37 00:02:04,050 --> 00:02:04,400 Why not? 38 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:05,380 My brother was on the team. 39 00:02:05,380 --> 00:02:06,960 So I was like, let me be there anyway. 40 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:08,410 Maybe that's what could prompted it. 41 00:02:08,410 --> 00:02:13,040 Um, but other than that, and then I did that at the end of the year, they gave me 42 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:13,880 like a hundred bucks. 43 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:15,880 Cause I did like 10 games or something like that. 44 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:17,640 This was 1991, right? 45 00:02:17,640 --> 00:02:18,670 I was making big money. 46 00:02:18,670 --> 00:02:21,090 You know, you get a hundred bucks when you're 10 years old. 47 00:02:21,090 --> 00:02:23,373 You know, you're, you're, you're in the money. 48 00:02:23,373 --> 00:02:24,226 are rich! 49 00:02:24,226 --> 00:02:25,186 Exactly. 50 00:02:25,186 --> 00:02:28,506 So after that, I was like, dude, I think I kind of like this. 51 00:02:28,686 --> 00:02:32,016 So I think the next year they kind of had a little more formal training and there 52 00:02:32,016 --> 00:02:32,796 was a little bit more formal. 53 00:02:32,796 --> 00:02:36,106 There were two umpires at each game and they weren't provided by the teams. 54 00:02:36,106 --> 00:02:39,416 They were provided by the leagues and I just kind of stuck with it for a little 55 00:02:39,416 --> 00:02:39,576 while. 56 00:02:39,576 --> 00:02:40,966 I didn't do it. 57 00:02:40,966 --> 00:02:44,806 I don't know if they just didn't like me, didn't call me back, whatever case may be, 58 00:02:44,806 --> 00:02:48,916 got back into it and then just kind of started going to it. 59 00:02:48,916 --> 00:02:49,936 It was my only job. 60 00:02:49,936 --> 00:02:51,956 I was in college or high school, college. 61 00:02:51,956 --> 00:02:53,186 It's like, you know, 62 00:02:53,186 --> 00:02:54,706 making decent money, right? 63 00:02:54,706 --> 00:02:58,126 And they feed me between games, so I got food and I get money. 64 00:02:59,086 --> 00:03:00,326 Then I started coaching. 65 00:03:00,326 --> 00:03:02,486 I actually started coaching while I was umpiring. 66 00:03:02,826 --> 00:03:07,066 I started coaching my first year was I was 17 years old and I took over my dad's team 67 00:03:07,066 --> 00:03:09,026 because he was a coach in the league. 68 00:03:09,026 --> 00:03:13,386 And I wanted to do both and I was like, okay, I'm coaching 13 and 14 year old kids 69 00:03:13,386 --> 00:03:17,186 and the 12 year old, so the Bronco, we were Bronco league. 70 00:03:17,186 --> 00:03:19,526 The Bronco league needs umpires. 71 00:03:19,526 --> 00:03:22,050 So if I umpire, I'm going to get paid. 72 00:03:22,050 --> 00:03:24,770 to watch the kids that I need to draft for next year. 73 00:03:24,770 --> 00:03:27,400 So this is getting paid to be scouted. 74 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,290 It was just starting all coming together. 75 00:03:29,290 --> 00:03:30,730 This is great. 76 00:03:31,750 --> 00:03:36,450 Then the older guys, they got real jobs and they went to school or they were 77 00:03:36,450 --> 00:03:37,850 playing, they were coaching. 78 00:03:37,850 --> 00:03:40,680 And I was the only loser that stuck around, I guess. 79 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,770 So I just kind of stuck with it, kept on piring. 80 00:03:44,090 --> 00:03:48,950 And at some point I kind of figured, all right, I was an okay player. 81 00:03:48,950 --> 00:03:49,480 I was decent. 82 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:50,530 I wasn't great. 83 00:03:50,530 --> 00:03:50,850 I was... 84 00:03:50,850 --> 00:03:54,730 I was the type of player that made the All -Star teams his second year, not his first 85 00:03:54,730 --> 00:03:55,070 year. 86 00:03:55,070 --> 00:03:57,090 So, you know, I was okay. 87 00:03:58,330 --> 00:04:04,130 Got older and I was like, all right, well, I could keep on piring, but at some point, 88 00:04:04,130 --> 00:04:06,890 you know, things are moving a little too fast for me. 89 00:04:06,890 --> 00:04:09,380 And I'll just stick with the 12 years, 14 year olds. 90 00:04:09,380 --> 00:04:10,100 I got up to high school. 91 00:04:10,100 --> 00:04:13,220 I did some high school games, but it dawned on me. 92 00:04:13,220 --> 00:04:19,270 I said, you know, it takes absolutely zero talent to read the rule book and then to 93 00:04:19,270 --> 00:04:20,290 understand it. 94 00:04:20,290 --> 00:04:22,140 Let me do that. 95 00:04:22,140 --> 00:04:23,180 I want to be the go -to guy. 96 00:04:23,180 --> 00:04:25,390 Hey, I'll be the go -to guy on the rules. 97 00:04:25,390 --> 00:04:29,860 If they have a rule question, they come to me and I can figure it out or I'll look it 98 00:04:29,860 --> 00:04:31,110 up. 99 00:04:31,110 --> 00:04:34,710 One thing that people ask me, I never went to umpiring school. 100 00:04:34,710 --> 00:04:36,250 I know people went to umpiring school. 101 00:04:36,250 --> 00:04:39,690 I've gone to a couple local little trainings and stuff like that, but I never 102 00:04:39,690 --> 00:04:40,070 went to school. 103 00:04:40,070 --> 00:04:42,430 My school was read the rule book. 104 00:04:42,430 --> 00:04:46,370 I bought the umpire manual for like 20 bucks, read the manual. 105 00:04:46,370 --> 00:04:47,970 And if I'm still stuck, 106 00:04:47,970 --> 00:04:51,730 Um, Zuber who's on, on your, uh, Tik Tok a lot. 107 00:04:51,730 --> 00:04:52,530 I hit him. 108 00:04:52,530 --> 00:04:53,980 We kind of became friends on Facebook. 109 00:04:53,980 --> 00:04:54,640 We became friendly. 110 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:55,940 I'm like, Hey, Zub, what do you think? 111 00:04:55,940 --> 00:04:57,810 You know, I'll ask him a question. 112 00:04:57,810 --> 00:05:01,330 Um, there's a couple of Facebook pages that are really good baseball umpires 113 00:05:01,330 --> 00:05:07,270 umpires, um, have some pro, uh, ex major league umpires on that page that are 114 00:05:07,270 --> 00:05:10,940 really good that, you know, you can DM them and they get back to you and they 115 00:05:10,940 --> 00:05:11,590 don't ask you a question. 116 00:05:11,590 --> 00:05:13,520 I'm like, this is a former major league umpire. 117 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:14,450 And he's answering my questions. 118 00:05:14,450 --> 00:05:16,530 Like, this is a cool guy. 119 00:05:17,026 --> 00:05:21,636 So it's just really asking questions, being curious about the rules, being 120 00:05:21,636 --> 00:05:24,886 curious about different situations and watching a lot of games. 121 00:05:25,766 --> 00:05:30,686 I can almost guarantee you, you haven't seen every scenario that people shoot to 122 00:05:30,686 --> 00:05:31,146 you. 123 00:05:31,146 --> 00:05:36,416 But now that we are in the social media age, you don't have to watch a lot of 124 00:05:36,416 --> 00:05:39,106 games to see a lot of crazy stuff. 125 00:05:39,386 --> 00:05:40,646 Your page is full of them. 126 00:05:40,646 --> 00:05:43,366 I'm sure people send you or tag you like, hey, check out this play. 127 00:05:43,366 --> 00:05:44,866 Hey, check out this play. 128 00:05:44,866 --> 00:05:47,936 And you kind of get a breakdown and go, Oh, that was weird. 129 00:05:47,936 --> 00:05:48,986 That was interesting. 130 00:05:48,986 --> 00:05:51,806 Um, but yeah, so that's kind of been my umpire journey. 131 00:05:51,806 --> 00:05:56,406 And then just as I was sticking around in the league, um, they're like, Hey, do want 132 00:05:56,406 --> 00:06:02,186 to help coordinate umpires and train the umpires and you'll be an assigner. 133 00:06:02,186 --> 00:06:05,156 And then that turned into being a board member that turned into being a president 134 00:06:05,156 --> 00:06:07,066 in the same league that I coached for. 135 00:06:07,066 --> 00:06:10,176 I've been coaching for there for, like I said, for, for a lot of years. 136 00:06:10,176 --> 00:06:14,466 Um, I will say one of the other coaches, it kind of. 137 00:06:14,466 --> 00:06:18,066 I always tell people that baseball is like the same as Sosa. 138 00:06:18,066 --> 00:06:20,506 It's been very, very good to me. 139 00:06:20,706 --> 00:06:23,306 Very, very good to me. 140 00:06:23,306 --> 00:06:24,716 I tell people, baseball has been great. 141 00:06:24,716 --> 00:06:27,486 I mean, I've grown a lot of friendships through baseball. 142 00:06:27,666 --> 00:06:31,246 People that I would never meet, people that still I've never met. 143 00:06:31,726 --> 00:06:34,226 Went overseas when I was 14. 144 00:06:34,226 --> 00:06:36,746 I played in a trip in Canada. 145 00:06:36,806 --> 00:06:39,446 When I was 16 in Mexico. 146 00:06:39,466 --> 00:06:43,186 Then I coached, I've coached in Mexico, Italy, Nicaragua. 147 00:06:43,186 --> 00:06:43,670 So. 148 00:06:43,670 --> 00:06:47,930 You know, gone a bunch of different places and you know, just baseball's been great. 149 00:06:47,930 --> 00:06:49,260 It's a great sport. 150 00:06:49,260 --> 00:06:50,340 You're never done learning. 151 00:06:50,340 --> 00:06:54,790 You're never done seeing what you think you've seen the latest, greatest ever. 152 00:06:54,790 --> 00:06:56,110 It's just, it's awesome. 153 00:06:56,110 --> 00:07:00,160 So it's a, it's great to be able to kind of enjoy the journey too, through social 154 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,870 media with people that again, you'd never see it and never meet in your life. 155 00:07:03,870 --> 00:07:05,850 You and I would never have crossed paths. 156 00:07:05,850 --> 00:07:09,290 You're, when I was in California, you're clearly on the other side of the country. 157 00:07:09,290 --> 00:07:12,924 Here, you're still quite a ways away, but here we are connected. 158 00:07:15,096 --> 00:07:19,616 amazing and you know, it's like you said you mentioned a minute ago I get tagged on 159 00:07:19,616 --> 00:07:25,556 so much stuff right like I've got a pretty I've got a one day I'll show you how so I 160 00:07:25,556 --> 00:07:30,083 will share it here on how I kind of got my my to my channel kind of blew up but 161 00:07:30,083 --> 00:07:32,003 I get tagged on so much stuff. 162 00:07:32,003 --> 00:07:33,023 It's like, hey, what about this play? 163 00:07:33,023 --> 00:07:33,623 What about this play? 164 00:07:33,623 --> 00:07:35,663 And here's a video of this and here's a video of that. 165 00:07:35,663 --> 00:07:41,203 Then every once in a while I'll post one and that someone has sent me and I'm like, 166 00:07:41,203 --> 00:07:43,053 okay, yeah, I'll post that and we'll talk about it. 167 00:07:43,053 --> 00:07:45,843 And then someone will say, hey, you used my video and you didn't even give me 168 00:07:45,843 --> 00:07:46,373 credit for it. 169 00:07:46,373 --> 00:07:48,223 And I'm like, I didn't know it was yours. 170 00:07:48,223 --> 00:07:50,083 It's just floating around the internet. 171 00:07:50,083 --> 00:07:54,783 Like, and what's hilarious is I will see people use the stuff that I put out with 172 00:07:54,783 --> 00:07:58,009 me on it and like on Instagram. 173 00:07:58,051 --> 00:08:01,066 or in other places and it's... 174 00:08:01,066 --> 00:08:02,766 my Facebook pages a couple of times. 175 00:08:02,766 --> 00:08:03,458 Yeah. 176 00:08:03,458 --> 00:08:08,998 me talking and me whatever and I'm like I but for me I could care less like look 177 00:08:08,998 --> 00:08:13,878 this is not even like some of the videos that I personally shoot like the one that 178 00:08:13,878 --> 00:08:18,758 I should the one that I just posted with the kid the suicide squeeze play where he 179 00:08:18,758 --> 00:08:23,708 slid in I that was me holding the camera filming that that was our team that so 180 00:08:23,708 --> 00:08:28,468 like but I know that place is gonna be floating around and I don't care if other 181 00:08:28,468 --> 00:08:31,970 people use it because everyone learns from it so like whatever but 182 00:08:31,970 --> 00:08:38,170 But I know that some people get a little crazy about that, but here's a good story. 183 00:08:38,230 --> 00:08:41,480 And I'm not gonna put you on the spot and you might even disagree with the answer, I 184 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:42,650 don't know. 185 00:08:43,990 --> 00:08:48,630 But, so TikTok, I was in Smashville baseball, shout out Smashville baseball, 186 00:08:48,630 --> 00:08:52,150 it's one of our indoor facility here in Louisville. 187 00:08:52,150 --> 00:08:56,020 Anyway, we were doing a camp with some of the kids and they were like, hey, put us 188 00:08:56,020 --> 00:08:57,770 on TikTok, because I was filming some stuff. 189 00:08:57,770 --> 00:08:59,210 I'm like, what is TikTok? 190 00:08:59,210 --> 00:09:00,225 And so... 191 00:09:00,225 --> 00:09:03,085 I set up an account and I do it and I started putting some stuff up there. 192 00:09:03,085 --> 00:09:06,355 Well, I started posting some things and then I started posting some rules stuff 193 00:09:06,355 --> 00:09:10,545 and I was doing helping some kids out with with with uh, helping them get into 194 00:09:10,545 --> 00:09:12,885 college to play college baseball and all these other things. 195 00:09:12,885 --> 00:09:16,205 And so anyway, then I saw this, I didn't generate the question. 196 00:09:16,205 --> 00:09:19,345 I read it somewhere or saw it or something, but I just put it on TikTok and 197 00:09:19,345 --> 00:09:26,015 I said, okay, in in in one official at bat, how many pitches can you see without 198 00:09:26,015 --> 00:09:26,965 swinging the bat? 199 00:09:26,965 --> 00:09:30,130 And everyone says six, they're like ball one, ball two, ball three. 200 00:09:30,130 --> 00:09:34,840 strike one, strike two, and then the sixth pitch either has to be a walk or a strike 201 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:34,990 out. 202 00:09:34,990 --> 00:09:36,300 So it's six pitches. 203 00:09:36,300 --> 00:09:40,610 Well, what I've learned is that it's ball one, ball two, ball three, strike one, 204 00:09:40,610 --> 00:09:45,670 strike two, somebody gets out on the base pass, you come back up and then you take 205 00:09:45,670 --> 00:09:49,360 strike one, strike two, ball one, and so the answer is 11. 206 00:09:49,620 --> 00:09:53,250 And so, cause on that 11th pitch, that's when it's either strike three or ball 207 00:09:53,250 --> 00:09:53,860 four. 208 00:09:53,860 --> 00:09:55,740 And so I put that out there on TikTok. 209 00:09:55,740 --> 00:09:58,480 I get an email from MLB network. 210 00:09:58,623 --> 00:10:01,303 that says, hey, we want to use your TikTok on the MLB network. 211 00:10:01,303 --> 00:10:03,123 And I thought it was spam or whatever. 212 00:10:03,123 --> 00:10:06,443 I look at the email, I look at the email address, I'm like, okay, that's real. 213 00:10:06,443 --> 00:10:09,103 I look at the person, I'm like, okay, she's real. 214 00:10:09,103 --> 00:10:10,643 And so I'm like, sure. 215 00:10:10,643 --> 00:10:12,253 And so anyway, I said, when's it gonna air? 216 00:10:12,253 --> 00:10:14,893 And they told me 11 different times and this and this and this. 217 00:10:14,893 --> 00:10:17,293 And so sure enough, it's on the MLB network. 218 00:10:17,293 --> 00:10:21,383 They've got the like rules official, the umpire official out there or no, the 219 00:10:21,383 --> 00:10:22,093 official score. 220 00:10:22,093 --> 00:10:23,963 That's what it was out there or something. 221 00:10:23,963 --> 00:10:26,383 They read the trivia question to all the guys on there. 222 00:10:26,383 --> 00:10:27,677 They all got it wrong. 223 00:10:27,677 --> 00:10:32,257 And then they break over to the guy and he says, and he did 11, but so then my TikTok 224 00:10:32,257 --> 00:10:34,127 just started follow, follow, follow, follow, follow. 225 00:10:34,127 --> 00:10:35,527 Cause it was all over the MLB network. 226 00:10:35,527 --> 00:10:38,467 It was, and I picked up like 20 ,000 followers. 227 00:10:38,507 --> 00:10:40,038 So. 228 00:10:40,038 --> 00:10:40,418 awesome. 229 00:10:40,418 --> 00:10:44,978 Yeah, I saw that I want to say that was one of the first videos I saw of yours It 230 00:10:44,978 --> 00:10:48,978 was either that one or the squeeze where the guy slides in it was one of those two 231 00:10:48,978 --> 00:10:50,748 Because I remember you asking that question. 232 00:10:50,748 --> 00:10:51,288 I got it wrong. 233 00:10:51,288 --> 00:10:57,308 I said six And I'm like a scorer guy too because my dad when you know when I was a 234 00:10:57,308 --> 00:10:58,808 kid he'd play softball I was like, oh cool. 235 00:10:58,808 --> 00:11:03,098 I hang around I'll keep score so someone taught me how to how to keep book if I 236 00:11:03,098 --> 00:11:07,426 remember being nine years old, you know keep a book and then 237 00:11:07,426 --> 00:11:10,626 We had our official scorekeeper for my baseball team. 238 00:11:10,806 --> 00:11:13,726 I don't if he had to leave earlier, went to the bathroom or something or other. 239 00:11:13,726 --> 00:11:17,056 And the three other adult coaches are looking around like, who knows how to keep 240 00:11:17,056 --> 00:11:17,886 book? 241 00:11:18,046 --> 00:11:21,076 And I said, I could keep book. 242 00:11:21,076 --> 00:11:23,006 And they kind of looked like, all right. 243 00:11:23,006 --> 00:11:23,666 Well, here. 244 00:11:23,666 --> 00:11:24,986 They said, well, who's up? 245 00:11:24,986 --> 00:11:27,846 And I said, number four's up. 246 00:11:27,846 --> 00:11:29,076 And they couldn't even read that. 247 00:11:29,076 --> 00:11:30,306 They were like, oh, OK. 248 00:11:30,306 --> 00:11:31,906 I guess he does know how to do book. 249 00:11:31,906 --> 00:11:34,126 I'm thinking about that now as an adult going. 250 00:11:34,126 --> 00:11:36,130 You guys didn't even know that part. 251 00:11:36,130 --> 00:11:37,600 So I like, I liked the rules. 252 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:39,570 I liked the scorekeeping stuff like that. 253 00:11:39,570 --> 00:11:44,080 And then the fact that you posted that I was like, dude, that was really good. 254 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:45,850 Like that's a really good question. 255 00:11:45,850 --> 00:11:47,430 And that MLB picked up on it. 256 00:11:47,430 --> 00:11:48,320 That's pretty interesting. 257 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:49,059 That's. 258 00:11:49,059 --> 00:11:53,149 on my page, I'm gonna, I need to repost this because, and here's what's hilarious. 259 00:11:53,149 --> 00:11:54,809 You know how what we do, right? 260 00:11:54,809 --> 00:11:59,849 I make a question, you guys answer it, I'll repost it, everyone still argues, 261 00:11:59,849 --> 00:12:01,826 even though you guys put the rules and everything. 262 00:12:01,826 --> 00:12:02,269 Yeah. 263 00:12:02,269 --> 00:12:06,339 anyway, when I did the whole thing with the six and so, and I said, if you don't 264 00:12:06,339 --> 00:12:08,539 believe me, believe the MLB network. 265 00:12:08,539 --> 00:12:14,769 And I posted the clip from the MLB network with my picture and them answering the 266 00:12:14,769 --> 00:12:15,369 question. 267 00:12:15,369 --> 00:12:16,969 Still everyone arguing with me. 268 00:12:16,969 --> 00:12:17,919 No, that's not true. 269 00:12:17,919 --> 00:12:20,899 Someone could stand there and they can just keep the, they don't swing the bat 270 00:12:20,899 --> 00:12:21,989 and the ball just keeps hitting it. 271 00:12:21,989 --> 00:12:22,629 It's a foul ball. 272 00:12:22,629 --> 00:12:26,349 It's un - and I'm like, oh my gosh, you guys are blowing my mind. 273 00:12:26,349 --> 00:12:29,208 So anyways, it's crazy. 274 00:12:29,208 --> 00:12:34,758 Facebook, like I'm part of this Facebook page, professional baseball advice, 275 00:12:34,758 --> 00:12:40,178 coaching advice, I forget what the exact title is, but it's got almost 200 ,000 276 00:12:40,178 --> 00:12:40,448 members. 277 00:12:40,448 --> 00:12:42,598 Like there's a lot of members on that one. 278 00:12:42,598 --> 00:12:47,028 And I think one of the big reasons is the moderators do a really good job of getting 279 00:12:47,028 --> 00:12:48,518 off all the trash. 280 00:12:48,638 --> 00:12:52,194 You know, there's a lot of people that think they know something or 281 00:12:52,194 --> 00:12:55,784 The worst is, and this is where we'll talk about the rules, is where a lot of rule 282 00:12:55,784 --> 00:12:56,794 myths come from. 283 00:12:56,794 --> 00:13:01,984 When I was nine, this happened and my coach told me that that's the rule because 284 00:13:01,984 --> 00:13:06,594 he didn't know or someone told him that because when you coach, you coach the way 285 00:13:06,594 --> 00:13:09,214 you were coached until you learned something different. 286 00:13:09,634 --> 00:13:12,894 And so when someone tells you something, you just kind of go, oh, okay. 287 00:13:13,294 --> 00:13:17,564 Then heaven forbid someone tell you something different that your, other than 288 00:13:17,564 --> 00:13:20,994 your 10 year old coach told you in Little League back in 1987. 289 00:13:21,186 --> 00:13:23,706 It just blows your mind, blows up your whole world. 290 00:13:23,706 --> 00:13:26,396 But I'm on these pages and I'll do the same thing. 291 00:13:26,396 --> 00:13:28,026 I do like I do on yours. 292 00:13:28,026 --> 00:13:33,056 If you see my TikTok, half of it is just rule citations that are like, here's the 293 00:13:33,056 --> 00:13:34,886 rule, here's the rule, here's the rule. 294 00:13:34,886 --> 00:13:37,096 And one guy said, I can't stand you. 295 00:13:37,096 --> 00:13:37,736 You're a know -it -all. 296 00:13:37,736 --> 00:13:40,106 I was like, I'm not a know -it I'm just telling you what the rule is. 297 00:13:40,106 --> 00:13:42,846 But if you want to call it a know -it -all, fine. 298 00:13:43,486 --> 00:13:48,046 Like I said, it takes no talent to read the rule book and to even do a little bit 299 00:13:48,046 --> 00:13:49,122 of understanding. 300 00:13:49,122 --> 00:13:49,662 on it. 301 00:13:49,662 --> 00:13:50,382 It doesn't. 302 00:13:50,382 --> 00:13:53,282 Or just to even ask questions, but to just argue. 303 00:13:54,442 --> 00:14:00,142 My favorite is you'll never piss off someone more than just asking for 304 00:14:00,142 --> 00:14:01,062 forwards. 305 00:14:01,102 --> 00:14:02,742 What rule says that? 306 00:14:03,002 --> 00:14:05,622 And the common one I get, well, look it up. 307 00:14:05,622 --> 00:14:07,512 I'm like, you're the one that said it's a rule. 308 00:14:07,512 --> 00:14:09,302 Why do I have to look it up? 309 00:14:09,482 --> 00:14:10,522 Well, you don't know what you're doing. 310 00:14:10,522 --> 00:14:11,142 Google's free. 311 00:14:11,142 --> 00:14:12,308 I was like, yeah. 312 00:14:12,955 --> 00:14:14,155 Yeah, good. 313 00:14:14,155 --> 00:14:15,195 Goes both ways. 314 00:14:15,195 --> 00:14:18,835 So how much are you umpiring right now? 315 00:14:18,835 --> 00:14:22,770 Like, I mean, are you doing a lot of games a little bit or just? 316 00:14:22,770 --> 00:14:26,150 haven't umpired a game in probably two or three years, to be honest. 317 00:14:26,530 --> 00:14:31,770 I moved, so I moved my last year in California. 318 00:14:31,770 --> 00:14:35,090 My last season was 22. 319 00:14:35,310 --> 00:14:38,410 And I didn't do any good there. 320 00:14:38,410 --> 00:14:40,530 I was league president. 321 00:14:40,570 --> 00:14:41,990 We were merging leagues. 322 00:14:41,990 --> 00:14:45,070 So I was involved in stuff like that. 323 00:14:45,610 --> 00:14:48,706 Assigning still and coaching. 324 00:14:48,706 --> 00:14:52,086 So I didn't have time to do many games, umpire many games. 325 00:14:52,646 --> 00:14:56,126 2023 we moved from California to Florida. 326 00:14:56,126 --> 00:14:59,346 And my son, he's going to be eight. 327 00:15:00,506 --> 00:15:04,436 We didn't have him play that year just because we were between towns. 328 00:15:04,436 --> 00:15:07,746 So we didn't really know where he was going to be going, where he was going. 329 00:15:07,746 --> 00:15:12,846 And then this year I got suckered into coaching his nine -year little league 330 00:15:12,846 --> 00:15:14,178 team, which is fun, but. 331 00:15:14,178 --> 00:15:15,198 I didn't want to coach. 332 00:15:15,198 --> 00:15:18,008 I just didn't want to coach my kid if I could get away with it, but they needed 333 00:15:18,008 --> 00:15:18,538 coaches. 334 00:15:18,538 --> 00:15:19,948 I said, okay, I'll do it. 335 00:15:19,948 --> 00:15:23,588 Um, so it's been a few years since I've, since I've umpired, since I've actually 336 00:15:23,588 --> 00:15:24,278 umpired. 337 00:15:24,278 --> 00:15:31,358 Um, but I mean, before then it was my, my wife told my daughter, my daughter must've 338 00:15:31,358 --> 00:15:34,038 been six or seven years old when the last season started. 339 00:15:34,038 --> 00:15:37,618 And she said, Hey, this is the time of year that we don't see daddy anymore. 340 00:15:37,618 --> 00:15:39,488 Cause I'm either coaching him. 341 00:15:39,488 --> 00:15:40,920 I would coach a game like. 342 00:15:41,218 --> 00:15:46,268 I'll take the four o 'clock game because I got to umpire the nine, 1130 and two o 343 00:15:46,268 --> 00:15:47,198 'clock game. 344 00:15:47,198 --> 00:15:50,078 And then I'll run over after I'm done umpiring those three games. 345 00:15:50,078 --> 00:15:54,168 And then we'll schedule my game on Wednesday because there's only one game on 346 00:15:54,168 --> 00:15:55,458 Wednesday at this other field. 347 00:15:55,458 --> 00:15:58,438 So that means that I can umpire on Tuesday and Thursday. 348 00:15:58,438 --> 00:16:00,178 And if we have a makeup game on Friday. 349 00:16:00,178 --> 00:16:05,018 So before that, I mean, I was umpiring, you know, four or five, six days a week, 350 00:16:05,018 --> 00:16:09,218 uh, just depending on who needed where, what tournament was going on. 351 00:16:09,218 --> 00:16:10,498 if there was a tournament. 352 00:16:10,498 --> 00:16:13,188 I remember one weekend I did Memorial Day weekend. 353 00:16:13,188 --> 00:16:16,138 I think I did 14 games in three days or something like that. 354 00:16:16,138 --> 00:16:21,838 So I'd done a lot of umpiring, but just recently I haven't been able to just life 355 00:16:21,838 --> 00:16:26,008 being in the way of moving across the country and getting settled in getting so 356 00:16:26,008 --> 00:16:26,358 hard. 357 00:16:26,358 --> 00:16:33,748 So I, at my son's game, I saw the majors and the, what was it? 358 00:16:33,748 --> 00:16:37,558 Little League juniors, junior, senior league, whatever it is. 359 00:16:44,955 --> 00:16:45,748 funny what 360 00:16:45,748 --> 00:16:49,268 get back out there and so I do want to get back out there it's just it's been a 361 00:16:49,268 --> 00:16:52,086 little while since I've been able to to actually do it though. 362 00:16:52,086 --> 00:16:57,866 So speaking of when you were out there then, let's have some fun with this. 363 00:16:57,866 --> 00:17:06,126 So I'm curious to know like, when you were umpiring, were there any like crazy plays 364 00:17:06,126 --> 00:17:10,536 that happened or any crazy things that you saw on the field or any crazy situations, 365 00:17:10,536 --> 00:17:15,966 either it be with out of control coaches, out of control parents, just anything that 366 00:17:15,966 --> 00:17:19,726 was just like, oh my gosh, you gotta, let me tell you this, any of those types of 367 00:17:19,726 --> 00:17:19,934 things? 368 00:17:19,934 --> 00:17:20,974 yeah. 369 00:17:20,974 --> 00:17:22,034 Definitely. 370 00:17:22,034 --> 00:17:23,774 I'll tell you a situation that came up. 371 00:17:23,774 --> 00:17:26,754 So I remember, did you ever did you ever read Baseball Digest? 372 00:17:26,754 --> 00:17:28,674 I don't know if it's still around. 373 00:17:28,674 --> 00:17:31,514 Yeah, way back in the. 374 00:17:31,514 --> 00:17:33,434 Yeah, yeah, it was a small book. 375 00:17:33,674 --> 00:17:35,054 Exactly. 376 00:17:35,354 --> 00:17:36,834 Yeah, I had TV Guide. 377 00:17:36,834 --> 00:17:37,874 Oh, yeah. 378 00:17:37,954 --> 00:17:40,964 No, my kids would look at me like, what do you mean TV Guide? 379 00:17:40,964 --> 00:17:42,814 I'm just looking up right there. 380 00:17:42,814 --> 00:17:43,964 But yeah, it was just like that. 381 00:17:43,964 --> 00:17:46,634 And I remember they had like a little umpire's corner. 382 00:17:46,634 --> 00:17:48,614 You make the call type of thing. 383 00:17:48,994 --> 00:17:56,114 and I'm umpiring the game and the field wasn't that great. 384 00:17:56,114 --> 00:18:01,454 The mound, you can see the rubber like the square or the rubber, but a kid just hit, 385 00:18:01,454 --> 00:18:05,804 drills one right back up the middle, hits the rubber, shoots right back straight to 386 00:18:05,804 --> 00:18:06,674 the catcher. 387 00:18:06,674 --> 00:18:10,484 Catcher just stands up, knee behind the plate, stands up, catches the ball, the 388 00:18:10,484 --> 00:18:12,754 runner's coming in from 30, makes the tag. 389 00:18:12,994 --> 00:18:14,274 That was a question. 390 00:18:14,274 --> 00:18:15,784 I remember it was in 1991. 391 00:18:15,784 --> 00:18:17,794 I was 11 years old reading that. 392 00:18:17,794 --> 00:18:21,764 The line drive hits the mound and shoots back to the catcher who catches it in foul 393 00:18:21,764 --> 00:18:22,174 territory. 394 00:18:22,174 --> 00:18:27,114 I was like, instantly, I hadn't seen that book in 15 years at that time. 395 00:18:27,114 --> 00:18:29,454 And I went, that's a foul ball. 396 00:18:29,454 --> 00:18:30,314 That's foul. 397 00:18:30,314 --> 00:18:32,344 I get both coaches coming out at me. 398 00:18:32,344 --> 00:18:33,224 No, he was safe. 399 00:18:33,224 --> 00:18:34,714 How could you call it foul? 400 00:18:34,714 --> 00:18:36,744 And I looked at him. 401 00:18:36,744 --> 00:18:39,534 I said, look, I know this. 402 00:18:39,534 --> 00:18:41,164 And I immediately went right back. 403 00:18:41,164 --> 00:18:44,314 I got both of them yelling at me because one wanted it foul, one wanted the outer, 404 00:18:44,314 --> 00:18:45,804 the safe, whatever the thing was. 405 00:18:45,804 --> 00:18:46,834 I can't remember. 406 00:18:46,914 --> 00:18:51,594 And I said, the ball never crossed a base and nobody touched it. 407 00:18:51,594 --> 00:18:53,174 It's a foul ball. 408 00:18:53,314 --> 00:18:57,934 And in between innings, one of the older guys who was a high school umpire, he was 409 00:18:57,934 --> 00:19:01,534 a league official and he just kind of looks at me, he's a little guy, little old 410 00:19:01,534 --> 00:19:03,380 guy, he looks at me, Juan. 411 00:19:04,928 --> 00:19:06,148 How'd you know how to make that call? 412 00:19:06,148 --> 00:19:06,838 And I told him the story. 413 00:19:06,838 --> 00:19:09,998 I was like, I was reading Baseball Digest back when I was 11. 414 00:19:09,998 --> 00:19:12,638 And I instantly became 11 again and read that one. 415 00:19:12,638 --> 00:19:14,198 So I was like, dude, this was great. 416 00:19:14,198 --> 00:19:15,830 It actually came in handy. 417 00:19:15,830 --> 00:19:20,710 If I was coaching that, you might have had to throw me out of the game. 418 00:19:20,770 --> 00:19:27,270 Because in my brain, I'm like, okay, here's what I was thinking. 419 00:19:27,690 --> 00:19:31,950 And now how you explained it was totally correct. 420 00:19:31,950 --> 00:19:35,670 But when you were talking about that, I'm thinking of it in my brain, right? 421 00:19:35,670 --> 00:19:39,650 And so I'm thinking, okay, the ball hits the bat, hits the mound. 422 00:19:40,070 --> 00:19:40,890 That's fair. 423 00:19:40,890 --> 00:19:41,630 That's what I'm thinking. 424 00:19:41,630 --> 00:19:45,090 Because I'm thinking, okay, that's just like if it hits a base, that it would be 425 00:19:45,090 --> 00:19:45,494 fair. 426 00:19:45,494 --> 00:19:50,984 It's obviously not a base, but my brain was like, okay, the rubber should count, 427 00:19:50,984 --> 00:19:55,944 should act just like a base if it hits a base, but the base is the point to where 428 00:19:55,944 --> 00:19:57,654 it's got to either hit or cross. 429 00:19:57,654 --> 00:19:58,714 It doesn't hit that. 430 00:19:58,714 --> 00:20:02,294 So you're totally, like, now it makes sense, but that would have been difficult 431 00:20:02,294 --> 00:20:05,824 for me to digest if I had been the coach of the team of the player who hit the 432 00:20:05,824 --> 00:20:06,674 ball. 433 00:20:07,014 --> 00:20:10,684 Or I get, or either one of them, I mean, if they came back to the catcher and he 434 00:20:10,684 --> 00:20:13,554 made a play and he got some people out, I wouldn't want that to be a fair ball. 435 00:20:13,554 --> 00:20:15,382 Yeah, so. 436 00:20:15,382 --> 00:20:17,082 So yes, I don't know. 437 00:20:17,082 --> 00:20:20,362 So that's a really interesting play. 438 00:20:20,582 --> 00:20:21,862 So that's good. 439 00:20:21,862 --> 00:20:23,422 a weird play. 440 00:20:23,422 --> 00:20:24,472 That was a weird play. 441 00:20:24,472 --> 00:20:25,242 I remember that one. 442 00:20:25,242 --> 00:20:26,162 I remember another one. 443 00:20:26,162 --> 00:20:30,242 Now the rules changed since this one happened, but this one I almost had to 444 00:20:30,242 --> 00:20:31,102 throw a coach out. 445 00:20:31,102 --> 00:20:32,862 It was a foul tip. 446 00:20:33,022 --> 00:20:33,682 Foul tip. 447 00:20:33,682 --> 00:20:35,902 Umpires hate it if you call a foul ball a foul tip. 448 00:20:35,902 --> 00:20:36,828 I'll just tell you that right now. 449 00:20:36,828 --> 00:20:38,418 look, time out, time, wait, wait, wait. 450 00:20:38,418 --> 00:20:42,198 I know this one now because I got all kinds of hell on one of my... 451 00:20:42,198 --> 00:20:43,518 Look, two things. 452 00:20:43,518 --> 00:20:45,508 Two things I've caught more hell about. 453 00:20:45,508 --> 00:20:46,818 Well, I've caught a lot of hell. 454 00:20:46,818 --> 00:20:52,618 But two that I deserved was when I say it's a foul tip and then I explain that 455 00:20:52,618 --> 00:20:53,618 the catcher caught it. 456 00:20:53,618 --> 00:20:54,918 And it's like, wait a minute. 457 00:20:54,918 --> 00:20:57,918 The whole definition of the foul tip is the catcher catches it. 458 00:20:57,918 --> 00:20:59,928 If he doesn't catch it, it's just a foul ball. 459 00:20:59,928 --> 00:21:02,538 So quit saying foul tip unless he catches it. 460 00:21:02,538 --> 00:21:06,070 And the other one is when I say drops third. 461 00:21:06,070 --> 00:21:07,870 I said it's a drop third strike. 462 00:21:07,870 --> 00:21:09,530 No, it's uncaught third strike. 463 00:21:09,530 --> 00:21:11,710 There's no such thing as a drop third strike. 464 00:21:11,710 --> 00:21:13,730 And I'm like, really? 465 00:21:13,730 --> 00:21:16,540 I mean, you know, and then I got called out. 466 00:21:16,540 --> 00:21:17,930 This one guy called me out good. 467 00:21:17,930 --> 00:21:19,810 He was like, that's just about as bad. 468 00:21:19,810 --> 00:21:21,970 He's like, you saying, how do you say it? 469 00:21:21,970 --> 00:21:28,200 He said, you saying a drop third strike is just about as bad as when you're bitching 470 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,590 at people for saying the hands aren't part of the bat. 471 00:21:30,590 --> 00:21:33,470 You should know that if you expect them to know that the hands aren't part of the 472 00:21:33,470 --> 00:21:33,580 bat. 473 00:21:33,580 --> 00:21:35,030 I'm like, I had nothing to say. 474 00:21:35,030 --> 00:21:35,606 I'm like. 475 00:21:35,606 --> 00:21:37,636 Dude, you got me, you're right. 476 00:21:37,636 --> 00:21:39,756 Going forward, it's uncaught third strike. 477 00:21:39,756 --> 00:21:43,906 I was a catcher, that was my position in college, and I used to hate it when 478 00:21:43,906 --> 00:21:44,846 someone would say drop third. 479 00:21:44,846 --> 00:21:46,586 I'm like, I didn't drop a damn thing. 480 00:21:46,586 --> 00:21:49,576 But so anyways, those are the two things I get held out. 481 00:21:49,576 --> 00:21:53,786 So sorry to interrupt your story, but go ahead. 482 00:21:53,786 --> 00:21:56,066 So you were at the foul tip for it. 483 00:21:56,206 --> 00:21:58,378 You were getting ready to tell a good story here. 484 00:21:58,378 --> 00:22:02,548 Comes as kids swings comes off the bat hits the catcher in the chest and he just 485 00:22:02,548 --> 00:22:07,378 grabs it and I don't I don't remember when I read the rule and I even explained it 486 00:22:07,378 --> 00:22:10,998 wrong I do remember that I said no I said foul ball He's got to catch it clean, 487 00:22:10,998 --> 00:22:16,528 which is not true it at the time Just had to hit the glove or the hand first So I'm 488 00:22:16,528 --> 00:22:19,798 thinking on all right when I went back and read it I was like, oh, I got the call 489 00:22:19,798 --> 00:22:22,738 right just explained it wrong Guy was all over me. 490 00:22:22,738 --> 00:22:23,728 No, no, no, that's a strike. 491 00:22:23,728 --> 00:22:24,458 That's a third strike. 492 00:22:24,458 --> 00:22:27,714 He caught it I said no, he's got to make the clean catch 493 00:22:27,714 --> 00:22:32,474 And he's just going, and I didn't throw him out, but I almost threw him out just 494 00:22:32,474 --> 00:22:36,274 because if you're going to argue with me, argue with me, that's fine. 495 00:22:36,274 --> 00:22:37,704 I'll let you have your say. 496 00:22:37,704 --> 00:22:42,134 What drives me insane is you walk away and you still have things to say. 497 00:22:42,134 --> 00:22:43,194 I'll let you talk. 498 00:22:43,194 --> 00:22:45,284 We'll have it out all you want. 499 00:22:45,284 --> 00:22:46,354 Blow up at me. 500 00:22:46,354 --> 00:22:47,234 Fine. 501 00:22:47,354 --> 00:22:50,814 Don't say something as you're walking away. 502 00:22:50,814 --> 00:22:53,344 That's kind of a BS move to me. 503 00:22:53,344 --> 00:22:56,226 But as he's walking away, he I don't know where you get these. 504 00:22:56,226 --> 00:22:59,446 these ideas from and I chipped back from the rule book. 505 00:22:59,446 --> 00:23:01,126 You should probably open it one time. 506 00:23:01,126 --> 00:23:04,336 And I'd been around a long enough that I could kind of get away with saying stuff 507 00:23:04,336 --> 00:23:06,426 to coaches without getting in trouble. 508 00:23:06,426 --> 00:23:08,986 But yeah, that didn't make him any happier either. 509 00:23:08,986 --> 00:23:11,966 But it was yeah, now the rules change. 510 00:23:12,166 --> 00:23:16,392 The OBR so what Major League plays but Pony League plays and American Legion. 511 00:23:16,392 --> 00:23:20,442 about the definition of a foul tip now, right? 512 00:23:20,442 --> 00:23:20,962 Okay, yeah. 513 00:23:20,962 --> 00:23:23,234 So what is the definition of a foul tip? 514 00:23:23,234 --> 00:23:27,874 So now a foul tip is a ball that goes sharply indirectly to the catcher. 515 00:23:27,874 --> 00:23:32,784 It used to be to the catcher's glove or hand, which I think is still the high 516 00:23:32,784 --> 00:23:33,654 school standard. 517 00:23:33,654 --> 00:23:36,494 I think in high school it has to touch the glove or hand first. 518 00:23:36,494 --> 00:23:40,414 But if you're playing OBR, which the official baseball rules, which is what 519 00:23:40,414 --> 00:23:46,124 Major League Baseball plays, Pony League, Little League, American Legion, any of 520 00:23:46,124 --> 00:23:51,738 those derivatives, I think U -triple S -A, P -G, I think are all OBR. 521 00:23:51,778 --> 00:23:54,818 It just has to go sharply and directly to the catcher. 522 00:23:54,818 --> 00:24:00,088 So in that instance, if that play happened today, that coach would have been right. 523 00:24:00,088 --> 00:24:04,738 It would have been strike three because he caught it before it hit the ground. 524 00:24:04,738 --> 00:24:07,458 But back then, it changed in 2020. 525 00:24:07,898 --> 00:24:11,198 It had to touch the glove or the hand first. 526 00:24:11,198 --> 00:24:16,178 So he didn't like that and he kind of went over it. 527 00:24:16,758 --> 00:24:20,602 But those are kind of stories that... 528 00:24:20,610 --> 00:24:24,940 coaches think they know the rules or they see something and they go, hold on, this 529 00:24:24,940 --> 00:24:27,190 doesn't sound right. 530 00:24:27,790 --> 00:24:32,570 And, you know, they think they're right just because something looks weird. 531 00:24:32,570 --> 00:24:33,700 And it's always like that. 532 00:24:33,700 --> 00:24:36,530 Just because something looks weird doesn't mean it's wrong. 533 00:24:36,890 --> 00:24:39,760 Like the post you put on today about the kid who did the, who do you need behind 534 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,050 the back and everything. 535 00:24:41,050 --> 00:24:42,350 It looks weird. 536 00:24:42,350 --> 00:24:46,870 And if you're like, you're looking at it, I think you said, how can that be legal? 537 00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:48,640 Because it looks weird. 538 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,082 Doesn't make it illegal. 539 00:24:50,082 --> 00:24:53,652 And you are almost off to the right question on that. 540 00:24:53,652 --> 00:24:55,582 It's not, how can it be legal? 541 00:24:55,582 --> 00:24:57,882 Everything's legal until it's illegal. 542 00:24:57,882 --> 00:25:00,922 So the right question is, how is that illegal? 543 00:25:00,922 --> 00:25:03,802 And if you can answer how it's illegal, then it's illegal. 544 00:25:04,322 --> 00:25:11,522 But that's what you need to ask yourself is, OK, that looks weird, but is it 545 00:25:11,522 --> 00:25:11,992 illegal? 546 00:25:11,992 --> 00:25:13,702 And if it is, how is it? 547 00:25:13,702 --> 00:25:18,582 And then we could kind of have that conversation if it's based on a rule. 548 00:25:18,626 --> 00:25:21,336 You know, if it's a judgment call, you know, you're going to have judgment calls 549 00:25:21,336 --> 00:25:24,886 all day, but you got to kind of tie it back to the back to a rule. 550 00:25:25,396 --> 00:25:26,066 Gotcha. 551 00:25:26,066 --> 00:25:31,776 So, so let's just say that there is a situation where There's getting ready to 552 00:25:31,776 --> 00:25:34,926 be an argument the coach is gonna argue is gonna argue a call. 553 00:25:34,926 --> 00:25:41,506 Okay, which happens quite often What is what is the what if you're talking to some 554 00:25:41,506 --> 00:25:42,426 coaches right now? 555 00:25:42,426 --> 00:25:47,356 Okay, because it's gonna happen and it's the right to question I'm in my opinion. 556 00:25:47,356 --> 00:25:51,926 I mean that is the right the question, but if they're gonna question your call What 557 00:25:51,926 --> 00:25:54,646 is the what's the right way to do it? 558 00:25:54,646 --> 00:25:56,430 And what's the wrong way to do it? 559 00:25:56,642 --> 00:26:01,592 I'd say the wrong way is just tell the umpire that he's wrong or tell him what 560 00:26:01,592 --> 00:26:02,112 you saw. 561 00:26:02,112 --> 00:26:03,412 It doesn't matter what you saw. 562 00:26:03,412 --> 00:26:05,322 It doesn't matter what everyone says. 563 00:26:05,682 --> 00:26:10,582 Think of the Jim Joyce Galarraga play. 564 00:26:10,582 --> 00:26:15,042 Everyone in the world saw that play except for the one guy who mattered. 565 00:26:15,142 --> 00:26:18,842 So the first thing I would say is don't tell him what you saw or what you think. 566 00:26:18,842 --> 00:26:20,562 Find out what he saw. 567 00:26:20,562 --> 00:26:22,892 Go, hey, how did you come up with that? 568 00:26:22,892 --> 00:26:24,242 What did you see? 569 00:26:24,442 --> 00:26:25,642 And he'll tell you. 570 00:26:25,642 --> 00:26:26,746 And... 571 00:26:26,978 --> 00:26:28,768 then you can at least start the conversation. 572 00:26:28,768 --> 00:26:30,658 I would say just ask questions. 573 00:26:30,658 --> 00:26:31,638 What did you see? 574 00:26:31,638 --> 00:26:33,558 How did you see that? 575 00:26:34,358 --> 00:26:37,338 How could that have happened if da da da da da? 576 00:26:37,338 --> 00:26:41,618 All right, so a common one is did it hit the bat or the hand? 577 00:26:41,818 --> 00:26:43,668 All right, I saw it hit the hand. 578 00:26:43,668 --> 00:26:44,908 You couldn't see it hit the hand. 579 00:26:44,908 --> 00:26:46,438 You may have heard it hit the hand. 580 00:26:46,438 --> 00:26:50,448 But how could that happen if the ball shot clear over there and my first baseman 581 00:26:50,448 --> 00:26:51,358 caught the ball? 582 00:26:51,358 --> 00:26:52,798 How did it hit him in the hand? 583 00:26:52,798 --> 00:26:53,558 Things like that. 584 00:26:53,558 --> 00:26:54,878 Start asking questions. 585 00:26:54,878 --> 00:26:56,034 And then. 586 00:26:56,034 --> 00:26:59,384 Everyone says, oh, you can't argue a judgment call, which is 100 % true. 587 00:26:59,384 --> 00:27:04,014 But if you can tie it back to a rule, now you have a protestable call. 588 00:27:04,794 --> 00:27:06,514 I'll give you an example. 589 00:27:06,534 --> 00:27:08,514 I wasn't there. 590 00:27:08,854 --> 00:27:12,214 I got to the park later and one of my friends, he was coaching. 591 00:27:12,214 --> 00:27:17,494 He said, one, does the pitcher have to come set to pick off to first? 592 00:27:17,494 --> 00:27:20,634 I said, no, he only has to come set to make a pitch. 593 00:27:20,634 --> 00:27:23,930 Well, we got called on a Bok because... 594 00:27:24,162 --> 00:27:27,082 He said the picture didn't come set before he picked over. 595 00:27:27,622 --> 00:27:29,582 And he said, we couldn't protest because it's a BOK. 596 00:27:29,582 --> 00:27:31,462 You can't protest a BOK. 597 00:27:31,462 --> 00:27:32,292 And I said, well, that's true. 598 00:27:32,292 --> 00:27:36,162 You can't protest a judgment call, but that's a rule application. 599 00:27:36,162 --> 00:27:40,062 So if you can tie it to a rule application, now you have yourself a 600 00:27:40,062 --> 00:27:40,482 protest. 601 00:27:40,482 --> 00:27:43,642 And you can ask the other guy for his opinion, or you can escalate it, whatever 602 00:27:43,642 --> 00:27:44,582 it happened to be. 603 00:27:44,582 --> 00:27:46,142 So ask them what they saw. 604 00:27:46,142 --> 00:27:50,946 And if you can somehow tie it to a rule, now you have a better argument. 605 00:27:50,946 --> 00:27:55,586 Because if it's just going out there, well, I saw the ball beat the runner. 606 00:27:56,106 --> 00:27:57,786 There's no way the ball beat the runner. 607 00:27:57,786 --> 00:27:59,606 You're not going to change his mind. 608 00:27:59,606 --> 00:28:02,586 There's nothing you're going to do that's changed his mind. 609 00:28:03,226 --> 00:28:07,326 And if any umpire knows what he's doing, he's not going to ask for help on a play 610 00:28:07,326 --> 00:28:09,286 that's right in front of him. 611 00:28:09,286 --> 00:28:10,266 Can you ask for help? 612 00:28:10,266 --> 00:28:11,606 Absolutely not. 613 00:28:11,926 --> 00:28:13,466 I've argued with that. 614 00:28:13,466 --> 00:28:18,706 Can you ask for help when I think he might have gotten straight lined? 615 00:28:19,106 --> 00:28:23,246 I'm thinking one particular, my first baseman made a catch and he was in line 616 00:28:23,246 --> 00:28:25,126 with the catch said he pulled his foot. 617 00:28:25,126 --> 00:28:25,956 We watched video. 618 00:28:25,956 --> 00:28:26,716 It wasn't even close. 619 00:28:26,716 --> 00:28:28,346 The guy never pulled his foot. 620 00:28:28,346 --> 00:28:29,366 Can you ask for help? 621 00:28:29,366 --> 00:28:29,626 Nope. 622 00:28:29,626 --> 00:28:30,416 I saw exact. 623 00:28:30,416 --> 00:28:31,986 I saw it all. 624 00:28:32,686 --> 00:28:36,456 Well, I know he didn't, but once he says he's not going to ask for help, like 625 00:28:36,456 --> 00:28:38,306 there's not much that you can do. 626 00:28:38,306 --> 00:28:41,206 He says he saw it, he saw it and that's it. 627 00:28:41,206 --> 00:28:46,966 And if I'm an umpire and I know I saw it, even if I'm wrong, which if I think I'm 628 00:28:46,966 --> 00:28:48,962 wrong, I'll ask for help or I'll, I'll. 629 00:28:48,962 --> 00:28:54,092 question myself, but um, Pirates, you know, if they see something, it doesn't 630 00:28:54,092 --> 00:28:55,482 mean it's right or wrong. 631 00:28:55,482 --> 00:28:57,622 It just means they saw it and that's what they're going to go. 632 00:28:57,622 --> 00:28:58,882 That's what they're going to go with. 633 00:28:58,882 --> 00:29:00,282 And that's what I'll tell coaches all the time. 634 00:29:00,282 --> 00:29:02,102 Hey coach, you might be right. 635 00:29:02,102 --> 00:29:04,902 That might be exactly what happened, but that's not how I saw it. 636 00:29:04,902 --> 00:29:06,302 And that's what we're going with. 637 00:29:06,302 --> 00:29:09,672 But if I'm the coach, I go the other way around is what did you see? 638 00:29:09,672 --> 00:29:14,262 And if I can tie it to a, to a rule, now I've got something going on. 639 00:29:14,262 --> 00:29:16,466 Um, but, um, 640 00:29:16,466 --> 00:29:17,382 I'll always. 641 00:29:17,382 --> 00:29:17,752 the best way. 642 00:29:17,752 --> 00:29:21,312 The wrong way is going over and tell him, no, you're blah, blah, blah, and blanket 643 00:29:21,312 --> 00:29:21,902 blank. 644 00:29:21,902 --> 00:29:25,332 The three things that will get you thrown out is if you make it personal, prolonged, 645 00:29:25,332 --> 00:29:26,262 or profane. 646 00:29:26,262 --> 00:29:27,512 Those are the three P's. 647 00:29:27,512 --> 00:29:29,642 You know, kind of think of that. 648 00:29:30,022 --> 00:29:34,432 If a person, there's a difference between that's a terrible call and you're a 649 00:29:34,432 --> 00:29:35,502 terrible umpire. 650 00:29:35,502 --> 00:29:37,082 There's a big difference. 651 00:29:37,362 --> 00:29:38,922 One is just arguing the call. 652 00:29:38,922 --> 00:29:40,862 The other is making it personal. 653 00:29:40,862 --> 00:29:41,662 Prolonged. 654 00:29:41,662 --> 00:29:45,570 Get your saying, get your, get your money's worth, if you will. 655 00:29:45,570 --> 00:29:46,360 have your say. 656 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:51,270 And like I said, in the conversation that I had, we were done with the conversation 657 00:29:51,270 --> 00:29:53,840 and he walked away and still wanted to say more things. 658 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,750 I probably should have thrown him out, but whatever. 659 00:29:55,750 --> 00:30:00,410 And then obviously if you get profane, now profane kind of goes to different levels. 660 00:30:00,410 --> 00:30:03,720 You know, if you're coaching 12 years old and you're dropping F -bombs on me, you're 661 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,090 going to get thrown out. 662 00:30:05,090 --> 00:30:08,570 You know, if it's high school or college and you're doing that, it's, you know, 663 00:30:08,570 --> 00:30:09,810 it's what it is. 664 00:30:09,810 --> 00:30:10,950 It's par for the course. 665 00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:13,330 You're all adults there at some point. 666 00:30:13,330 --> 00:30:15,234 So it's not a big thing, but. 667 00:30:15,234 --> 00:30:19,634 Yeah, those are the three things that you kind of tend to stay away from if you want 668 00:30:19,634 --> 00:30:20,334 to stay in the game. 669 00:30:20,334 --> 00:30:21,714 If you don't, go for it. 670 00:30:21,714 --> 00:30:22,204 Go for it. 671 00:30:22,204 --> 00:30:23,128 Go for one of those three. 672 00:30:23,128 --> 00:30:28,068 Isn't it also better, you know, I was told a long time ago by an umpire when I was 673 00:30:28,068 --> 00:30:32,638 arguing a call, he basically came up to me and he's like, look, I understand that 674 00:30:32,638 --> 00:30:34,688 you're heated and you want to talk about it. 675 00:30:34,688 --> 00:30:38,178 He's like, but let's just not do it where everyone in the ballpark can hear about 676 00:30:38,178 --> 00:30:38,298 it. 677 00:30:38,298 --> 00:30:39,238 Just pull me over to the side. 678 00:30:39,238 --> 00:30:41,108 We'll just have an adult conversation about it. 679 00:30:41,108 --> 00:30:45,188 Um, like rather than, you know, yelling and screaming and flailing around. 680 00:30:45,188 --> 00:30:48,878 And so like, so anytime that that happened, I would always just kind of walk 681 00:30:48,878 --> 00:30:51,972 down a little bit and say, you know, time and say, and we have just. 682 00:30:51,972 --> 00:30:52,972 and just talk about it. 683 00:30:52,972 --> 00:30:54,782 Basically, hey, what did you see on that one? 684 00:30:54,782 --> 00:30:55,732 Or, you know, whatever. 685 00:30:55,732 --> 00:31:01,962 I was like, okay, I think you missed it, but you know, that's why you're paying the 686 00:31:01,962 --> 00:31:02,732 big bucks, my man. 687 00:31:02,732 --> 00:31:04,070 So let's look. 688 00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:05,870 let's bottom line it. 689 00:31:05,870 --> 00:31:08,950 What are the chances you're going to get the call overturned? 690 00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:10,434 Oh, almost none. 691 00:31:10,568 --> 00:31:13,358 it truly is like a rule. 692 00:31:13,358 --> 00:31:17,398 Like, you know, and it's like, wait, you got, you got that rule wrong. 693 00:31:17,398 --> 00:31:18,022 Um. 694 00:31:18,022 --> 00:31:22,952 what I said, if you can tie it to a rule interpretation, now you've got a stronger 695 00:31:22,952 --> 00:31:24,182 argument to make. 696 00:31:24,182 --> 00:31:27,652 But if it's just, you know, and there's different types of judgment calls, there's 697 00:31:27,652 --> 00:31:32,062 judgment calls that are, all right, fair foul, ball strike, safe out. 698 00:31:32,062 --> 00:31:33,062 Those are just judgment calls. 699 00:31:33,062 --> 00:31:35,822 This is what I saw and this is what I'm saying. 700 00:31:36,102 --> 00:31:38,782 Then there's judgment calls that are based on rules. 701 00:31:38,802 --> 00:31:43,832 Well, you know, in my judgment, he didn't try to swing like, you know, on a check 702 00:31:43,832 --> 00:31:44,650 swing. 703 00:31:45,730 --> 00:31:50,240 That there's a there's kind of a rule, but there's kind of not a rule and it's just a 704 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:50,950 pure judgment call. 705 00:31:50,950 --> 00:31:53,230 And there's really nothing you're going to do to overturn it. 706 00:31:53,230 --> 00:31:53,710 A box. 707 00:31:53,710 --> 00:31:54,160 Same thing. 708 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,610 Oh, you know, I didn't think he stopped. 709 00:31:56,610 --> 00:31:58,710 Well, I mean, I what can I say? 710 00:31:58,710 --> 00:32:00,722 I can't argue with you. 711 00:32:00,722 --> 00:32:02,422 let me ask you this. 712 00:32:02,622 --> 00:32:05,802 So what you're talking about there, I had some questions. 713 00:32:05,802 --> 00:32:11,822 So what are some of the most misunderstood rules? 714 00:32:12,262 --> 00:32:13,914 Like a BOLT? 715 00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:16,860 Well, you remember that commercial where everyone's like, oh, that's a box. 716 00:32:16,860 --> 00:32:18,590 And everyone's like, well, it's a box. 717 00:32:18,630 --> 00:32:23,290 Yeah, box. 718 00:32:23,290 --> 00:32:28,290 I gotta say box and the base path. 719 00:32:28,290 --> 00:32:32,810 Those I think are the two probably most misunderstood other than your generic 720 00:32:32,810 --> 00:32:37,180 hands are part of that, which I used to think I thought hands were part of One of 721 00:32:37,180 --> 00:32:39,730 my coaches when I was a kid, a kid got hit in the hand. 722 00:32:39,730 --> 00:32:40,802 He argued, hey, 723 00:32:40,802 --> 00:32:42,882 He was swinging the bats and the hands are part of the bat. 724 00:32:42,882 --> 00:32:45,082 I was, okay, well, hands are part of the mat. 725 00:32:45,082 --> 00:32:45,652 Coach said it. 726 00:32:45,652 --> 00:32:46,622 He knows everything. 727 00:32:46,622 --> 00:32:51,142 And you know, kind of until I learned different, but as far as misunderstood box 728 00:32:51,142 --> 00:32:58,502 and the base path, those are the two things that just people cannot grasp, 729 00:32:58,502 --> 00:32:59,342 cannot. 730 00:32:59,963 --> 00:33:03,083 yeah, because I don't know him either. 731 00:33:03,083 --> 00:33:06,733 I mean, I'm learning them from the things we're doing on social media. 732 00:33:06,733 --> 00:33:08,843 I'm learning a lot of them. 733 00:33:09,083 --> 00:33:14,473 For instance, the play that happened at home plate where the kids slid in head 734 00:33:14,473 --> 00:33:16,743 first and the catcher was up in the air. 735 00:33:16,743 --> 00:33:20,313 And now I know that he interfered. 736 00:33:20,313 --> 00:33:21,363 He was out. 737 00:33:21,363 --> 00:33:24,223 That umpire made a next level call. 738 00:33:24,463 --> 00:33:26,950 I mean, he was right on top of it. 739 00:33:26,950 --> 00:33:29,495 good call because it happened both fast. 740 00:33:29,495 --> 00:33:34,715 somebody was like, well, there's a parent yelling interference and clouded his 741 00:33:34,715 --> 00:33:35,035 judgment. 742 00:33:35,035 --> 00:33:37,065 That was the umpire that was yelling interference. 743 00:33:37,065 --> 00:33:39,355 He's like, I got interference and whatever. 744 00:33:39,355 --> 00:33:43,335 But when that happened, I think our assistant coach did get thrown out of that 745 00:33:43,335 --> 00:33:44,395 game. 746 00:33:44,495 --> 00:33:48,675 And when I'm watching it, I'm like, there is no way this interference on this kid, 747 00:33:48,675 --> 00:33:50,215 there's no way. 748 00:33:50,215 --> 00:33:54,765 But anyway, so as far as a ball goes, let's talk about a ball. 749 00:33:54,815 --> 00:34:01,555 Is there an easy way to explain, like, I mean, a very short, rather than taking up 750 00:34:01,555 --> 00:34:06,315 30 minutes here, is there like a minute where you can explain what a bulk is, or 751 00:34:06,315 --> 00:34:07,714 is it really complex? 752 00:34:07,714 --> 00:34:08,974 No, it's really not. 753 00:34:08,974 --> 00:34:13,424 It can get complex, but the basic of it is, I'll tell you what it's not, first of 754 00:34:13,424 --> 00:34:15,594 all, a Bok is not deceiving the runner. 755 00:34:15,874 --> 00:34:18,374 The pitcher's job is to deceive the runner. 756 00:34:20,134 --> 00:34:20,894 Exactly. 757 00:34:20,894 --> 00:34:23,074 I saw one on yours today, well, he deceived the batter. 758 00:34:23,074 --> 00:34:26,534 I was like, well, yeah, if you want to really talk what the pitcher's job is, 759 00:34:26,534 --> 00:34:27,764 it's to deceive the batter. 760 00:34:27,764 --> 00:34:29,054 That's 100%. 761 00:34:29,054 --> 00:34:32,274 But you know, deception, he deceived the runner, that's a Bok. 762 00:34:32,274 --> 00:34:35,618 Then every left -handed pitcher would be called for Bok every time. 763 00:34:35,618 --> 00:34:39,068 The inside move to second would be called a BOK because when you got the guy you 764 00:34:39,068 --> 00:34:40,218 deceived him. 765 00:34:40,218 --> 00:34:43,238 Deception by itself is not a BOK. 766 00:34:43,238 --> 00:34:44,338 That's what it's not. 767 00:34:44,338 --> 00:34:49,278 What it is, the BOK is an illegal act by the pitcher with runners on base. 768 00:34:49,278 --> 00:34:50,118 And they're listed out. 769 00:34:50,118 --> 00:34:51,898 There's 13 of them. 770 00:34:52,038 --> 00:34:54,798 And they're for the most part pretty simple. 771 00:34:55,198 --> 00:34:58,758 There's a couple that need a little bit more explanation. 772 00:34:58,838 --> 00:35:02,598 But like we said earlier, everything's legal until it's not. 773 00:35:02,738 --> 00:35:04,162 And if you 774 00:35:04,162 --> 00:35:07,882 do one of these 13 illegal acts, it's a balk. 775 00:35:08,062 --> 00:35:10,162 And that's kind of the long and short of it. 776 00:35:10,162 --> 00:35:12,862 Illegal act by the picture with runners on base. 777 00:35:13,122 --> 00:35:15,122 Here's the list of them. 778 00:35:15,862 --> 00:35:17,612 You know, there's the list. 779 00:35:17,612 --> 00:35:19,142 It's a finite list. 780 00:35:19,142 --> 00:35:20,122 It's a finite list. 781 00:35:20,122 --> 00:35:22,982 It's not, you know, open -tiered much interpretation. 782 00:35:22,982 --> 00:35:24,182 It's there. 783 00:35:24,182 --> 00:35:25,692 So that's kind of what a balk is. 784 00:35:25,692 --> 00:35:30,102 But everyone thinks something looks weird, so it must be a balk. 785 00:35:30,602 --> 00:35:31,412 It's not. 786 00:35:31,412 --> 00:35:32,752 And I'll give you, I'm going to stand up here. 787 00:35:32,752 --> 00:35:33,922 I'll give you an example. 788 00:35:33,922 --> 00:35:40,842 I was umpiring, must have been, let me see, I'm gonna change my angle here. 789 00:35:40,842 --> 00:35:44,182 It was a 13 or 14 year old, so I'm umpire. 790 00:35:44,182 --> 00:35:48,822 And this kid comes set, so he's right -handed, first base is behind him. 791 00:35:48,822 --> 00:35:50,222 And this was a great move. 792 00:35:50,222 --> 00:35:54,922 He kicks with his leg and turns to look at the runner on first. 793 00:35:55,202 --> 00:35:57,952 So he kind of did this and the runner on first just froze. 794 00:35:57,952 --> 00:35:59,742 And I think he even dove back to first. 795 00:35:59,742 --> 00:36:02,864 Like he just froze him because it looked really weird. 796 00:36:03,042 --> 00:36:04,822 And I've seen the move. 797 00:36:04,822 --> 00:36:06,342 I've seen the move before. 798 00:36:06,582 --> 00:36:11,502 I actually taught his coach the move who he taught that player the move because the 799 00:36:11,502 --> 00:36:15,322 guy he used to play for me and the other team went nuts. 800 00:36:15,322 --> 00:36:16,302 They were like, that's a buck. 801 00:36:16,302 --> 00:36:17,762 I was like, what do you do? 802 00:36:17,762 --> 00:36:20,262 Well, that's just he can't look over there. 803 00:36:20,262 --> 00:36:20,842 I was like, what do you mean? 804 00:36:20,842 --> 00:36:21,492 He can't look over there. 805 00:36:21,492 --> 00:36:22,122 It's a buck. 806 00:36:22,122 --> 00:36:23,522 It's like he kicked his leg. 807 00:36:23,522 --> 00:36:24,162 He pitched. 808 00:36:24,162 --> 00:36:25,822 He didn't stop. 809 00:36:25,942 --> 00:36:28,182 You know, he didn't not pitch the ball. 810 00:36:28,182 --> 00:36:29,022 Whatever. 811 00:36:29,538 --> 00:36:31,498 And this one guy between it. 812 00:36:31,498 --> 00:36:35,598 So between innings and I knew the other coach, like he was from another city, but 813 00:36:35,598 --> 00:36:37,948 he played where I had coached before. 814 00:36:37,948 --> 00:36:38,478 I never coached. 815 00:36:38,478 --> 00:36:41,418 I think I coached him for a tournament or whatever, but I knew him. 816 00:36:41,418 --> 00:36:44,778 So I kind of broke it down to him and told him why it wasn't a buck. 817 00:36:45,658 --> 00:36:51,978 So I started going back to the plate and the other coach, let me tell you, if you 818 00:36:51,978 --> 00:36:58,428 had a video dictionary of the term sauntered over, he sauntered over to me. 819 00:36:58,978 --> 00:37:05,458 And he said, that's a balk because you cannot look at an unoccupied base. 820 00:37:06,238 --> 00:37:07,718 I know what I'm talking about. 821 00:37:07,718 --> 00:37:09,658 I'm the pitching coach over at cap. 822 00:37:09,658 --> 00:37:16,118 And I went, I, I probably should have laughed like a lot louder than I did, but 823 00:37:16,118 --> 00:37:17,278 I chuckled at him. 824 00:37:17,278 --> 00:37:18,878 I was like, it's not a balk coach. 825 00:37:18,878 --> 00:37:20,798 You can, you can go back now. 826 00:37:20,798 --> 00:37:26,018 Um, but so people think that weird things happen or weird looks happen. 827 00:37:26,018 --> 00:37:27,564 So it must be a balk. 828 00:37:27,650 --> 00:37:33,330 And that's kind of where the disconnect is, is if you think, if you think he's 829 00:37:33,330 --> 00:37:36,490 deceiving the runner, that's a balk, that's his job. 830 00:37:36,490 --> 00:37:42,500 And if something looks weird, it's gotta be a balk, but it's not that the toughest 831 00:37:42,500 --> 00:37:45,010 balk honestly is with two umpires. 832 00:37:45,010 --> 00:37:46,930 And it's usually a left -handed pitcher. 833 00:37:46,930 --> 00:37:50,150 Like that's just the toughest one to do. 834 00:37:50,150 --> 00:37:52,680 Um, I remember being of what was it? 835 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:53,690 15, 16. 836 00:37:53,690 --> 00:37:56,994 We had a lefty with a really good pickoff move and the other side just. 837 00:37:56,994 --> 00:37:59,854 was all over the empire who was in the B position. 838 00:37:59,854 --> 00:38:01,274 So he called time. 839 00:38:01,274 --> 00:38:05,834 He goes over to the A and he stands behind first base and he says play. 840 00:38:05,934 --> 00:38:10,064 And with runners on first, first and third, I think, and he called the rest of 841 00:38:10,064 --> 00:38:12,694 the game there because he was tired of them complaining about a balk. 842 00:38:12,694 --> 00:38:13,674 And he never called another balk. 843 00:38:13,674 --> 00:38:16,134 I think he picked off another two guys, never called a balk again. 844 00:38:16,134 --> 00:38:20,894 But it's just, you know, that's just the weirdest thing because people don't know 845 00:38:20,894 --> 00:38:21,674 what it is. 846 00:38:21,674 --> 00:38:23,194 They don't know what it means. 847 00:38:23,194 --> 00:38:26,054 And when you asked him how they balk, well, he deceived the runner. 848 00:38:26,552 --> 00:38:30,022 I'm going to get that list of 13 and I'm going to do something with that list. 849 00:38:30,022 --> 00:38:33,652 I'm going to make a post with it or something because that's good. 850 00:38:33,652 --> 00:38:35,452 Well, let me ask you another one. 851 00:38:35,452 --> 00:38:40,152 So another rule that always comes up that I hear parents and everyone complaining, 852 00:38:40,152 --> 00:38:43,052 not complaining about, but questioning and it just comes up all the time. 853 00:38:43,052 --> 00:38:45,352 You hear it yelled from the stands all the time. 854 00:38:45,352 --> 00:38:47,192 He was out of the baseline. 855 00:38:47,572 --> 00:38:49,432 He was out of the baseline. 856 00:38:49,432 --> 00:38:55,876 So is there an easy way to explain what the baseline is? 857 00:38:56,162 --> 00:38:59,542 So there is no baseline. 858 00:38:59,862 --> 00:39:01,802 That's kind of the easiest way. 859 00:39:01,802 --> 00:39:02,811 There is no. 860 00:39:02,811 --> 00:39:04,841 The number one thing about Fight Club, there is no Fight Club. 861 00:39:04,841 --> 00:39:06,971 So there is no baseline. 862 00:39:06,971 --> 00:39:07,552 Okay. 863 00:39:07,552 --> 00:39:08,462 baseline. 864 00:39:08,602 --> 00:39:14,282 What there is is when a fielder moves to tag the runner, and it doesn't have to be 865 00:39:14,282 --> 00:39:15,382 the arm stretched out. 866 00:39:15,382 --> 00:39:20,792 It's when he moves to the direction with the ball to tag the runner from that point 867 00:39:20,792 --> 00:39:23,562 to the base, he's got three feet on either side. 868 00:39:23,562 --> 00:39:25,802 So six feet total to move. 869 00:39:25,802 --> 00:39:29,002 If he moves outside of that six foot span, he's out. 870 00:39:29,282 --> 00:39:31,382 But you have to have a tag attempt. 871 00:39:31,802 --> 00:39:32,418 So. 872 00:39:32,418 --> 00:39:35,258 You can have an 18 throw run down. 873 00:39:35,718 --> 00:39:37,178 There's no baseline. 874 00:39:37,178 --> 00:39:41,858 There's no three foot, six foot, anything until there's a tag attempt. 875 00:39:41,858 --> 00:39:44,818 As long as if they're playing catch back and forth, there's nothing. 876 00:39:44,838 --> 00:39:48,808 Um, the other one where people get confused is down the first baseline, the 877 00:39:48,808 --> 00:39:49,798 runner's lane. 878 00:39:49,798 --> 00:39:53,448 Um, they're like, yeah, you see that though, the white line or the baseline, 879 00:39:53,448 --> 00:39:54,758 especially between third and home. 880 00:39:54,758 --> 00:39:57,458 You see that white line, the foul line. 881 00:39:57,458 --> 00:39:58,298 That's not a baseline. 882 00:39:58,298 --> 00:39:59,438 That's a foul line. 883 00:39:59,438 --> 00:40:00,428 Don't get them to confuse. 884 00:40:00,428 --> 00:40:02,050 They're two completely different things. 885 00:40:02,050 --> 00:40:04,630 But yeah, you have to have two things. 886 00:40:04,630 --> 00:40:10,140 You have to have a tag attempt and then you have to have that direct line and it's 887 00:40:10,140 --> 00:40:12,230 six foot wide across. 888 00:40:12,610 --> 00:40:13,410 But yeah, I hear that. 889 00:40:13,410 --> 00:40:14,240 I do too. 890 00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:16,390 I hear that all the time. 891 00:40:16,570 --> 00:40:17,790 That's what made me throw out. 892 00:40:17,790 --> 00:40:19,050 What was it? 893 00:40:19,130 --> 00:40:22,940 No, I was thinking of another time I threw out a parent, but it wasn't on that. 894 00:40:22,940 --> 00:40:24,110 It was a play at third. 895 00:40:24,110 --> 00:40:25,000 Kid missed a tag. 896 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:25,870 This is great. 897 00:40:25,870 --> 00:40:26,710 Kid missed a tag. 898 00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:28,216 I called the guy save. 899 00:40:28,482 --> 00:40:31,112 And the dad, the catcher's dad is like right behind him. 900 00:40:31,112 --> 00:40:32,842 He'd been chirping all day. 901 00:40:32,842 --> 00:40:35,522 And I just kind of didn't do anything. 902 00:40:35,522 --> 00:40:39,372 And I looked, I looked at their coach, their manager, he was third base, he was 903 00:40:39,372 --> 00:40:43,142 on third base side and he looked at me and I was like, all right. 904 00:40:43,142 --> 00:40:44,882 So I walked over and you can leave. 905 00:40:44,882 --> 00:40:47,822 And I probably, I said, you, you can leave. 906 00:40:47,822 --> 00:40:48,742 I didn't say anything. 907 00:40:48,742 --> 00:40:49,172 He did. 908 00:40:49,172 --> 00:40:53,302 I was like, you want to go to then like, but grab your stuff and go just get out of 909 00:40:53,302 --> 00:40:53,562 here. 910 00:40:53,562 --> 00:40:55,532 And then the third baseman goes, I want to turn up. 911 00:40:55,532 --> 00:40:56,602 I don't know what you're arguing about. 912 00:40:56,602 --> 00:40:57,954 I missed the tag. 913 00:40:57,954 --> 00:40:59,124 And I was like, thank you. 914 00:40:59,124 --> 00:41:00,914 Thanks, but see you later. 915 00:41:00,914 --> 00:41:08,714 But I thought that was a base base, uh, base path, but no, um, yeah, they just 916 00:41:08,714 --> 00:41:09,614 don't understand it. 917 00:41:09,614 --> 00:41:11,394 He's out of the base deck baseline. 918 00:41:11,394 --> 00:41:12,124 It's not a baseline. 919 00:41:12,124 --> 00:41:16,084 People think it's, you know, the direct line between second and third or first and 920 00:41:16,084 --> 00:41:16,574 second. 921 00:41:16,574 --> 00:41:18,134 It's not, there is no such thing. 922 00:41:18,134 --> 00:41:18,964 It's like fight club. 923 00:41:18,964 --> 00:41:19,666 Like you said, 924 00:41:19,666 --> 00:41:21,376 what you just said. 925 00:41:21,376 --> 00:41:22,546 There is no bass line. 926 00:41:22,546 --> 00:41:24,076 There's no such thing as a bass line. 927 00:41:24,076 --> 00:41:25,916 Okay, gotcha. 928 00:41:25,944 --> 00:41:28,654 a few lines on the field and those are Fairfile lines. 929 00:41:28,654 --> 00:41:29,124 That's it. 930 00:41:29,124 --> 00:41:29,621 There's no place. 931 00:41:29,621 --> 00:41:33,611 you're playing and the majority of the fields that you play on when you're under 932 00:41:33,611 --> 00:41:37,961 the age of you know 15 years old There's no lines anyway, so like yeah, it's like 933 00:41:37,961 --> 00:41:41,131 okay the bat you talk about the batter's box Well, show me the batter's box because 934 00:41:41,131 --> 00:41:43,451 I don't think about his box speaking of that. 935 00:41:43,451 --> 00:41:45,681 Okay Here we go. 936 00:41:45,681 --> 00:41:46,601 Here's something else. 937 00:41:46,601 --> 00:41:47,711 There's a lot of play. 938 00:41:47,711 --> 00:41:52,391 I was a catcher So let me just preface something when I was a catcher if I saw 939 00:41:52,391 --> 00:41:57,811 the the bat if someone when I was a catcher when someone was stealing I did 940 00:41:57,811 --> 00:41:58,227 and I 941 00:41:58,227 --> 00:42:02,467 I did everything I could to try to make contact with the batter. 942 00:42:02,467 --> 00:42:07,667 If I saw that he was anywhere near out of the batter's box or in my way or whatever, 943 00:42:07,667 --> 00:42:12,397 I wouldn't throw the ball and hit him with it, but I would like do my throwing motion 944 00:42:12,397 --> 00:42:17,007 and run into him on purpose and then just be, and I would get that call almost every 945 00:42:17,007 --> 00:42:17,907 time. 946 00:42:18,107 --> 00:42:24,847 But my question is now, I hear all the time, let's talk about the batter's box. 947 00:42:24,887 --> 00:42:27,890 The batter is in the batter's box, it's a safe haven. 948 00:42:27,890 --> 00:42:31,290 He owns the box, all these other things. 949 00:42:31,290 --> 00:42:32,870 I hear it all the time. 950 00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:37,970 So can you explain, does that batter own that batter's box? 951 00:42:37,970 --> 00:42:38,950 Is it a safe haven? 952 00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:42,914 Can he do what he wants in there or is it something else? 953 00:42:42,914 --> 00:42:46,004 It's a batter's box because that's where he's supposed to stand, but that's about 954 00:42:46,004 --> 00:42:47,114 it. 955 00:42:47,234 --> 00:42:48,194 No. 956 00:42:48,234 --> 00:42:51,054 So my brother played with the catcher who would do that. 957 00:42:51,054 --> 00:42:52,104 He was really good at it. 958 00:42:52,104 --> 00:42:53,814 He got it calls a lot. 959 00:42:54,454 --> 00:43:01,664 But one thing that you remember, it's not the catcher's actions that make the 960 00:43:01,664 --> 00:43:03,014 interference or not. 961 00:43:03,014 --> 00:43:05,054 It's the batter's actions. 962 00:43:05,054 --> 00:43:10,272 Because I see this time, you'll have a hitter in the box. 963 00:43:11,234 --> 00:43:15,354 maybe take a half step back and he's still in the box and the catcher throws and hits 964 00:43:15,354 --> 00:43:15,664 him. 965 00:43:15,664 --> 00:43:22,764 Well, that's interference because he moved out of the box or if you read the rule, he 966 00:43:22,764 --> 00:43:28,234 moves out of the batter's box or makes any other movement which hinders the catcher. 967 00:43:28,234 --> 00:43:34,334 Nobody wants to ever read that part, but that's there or so I saw this the other 968 00:43:34,334 --> 00:43:34,564 day. 969 00:43:34,564 --> 00:43:38,004 He said, well, if, if that's interference, then I'm just throwing at the batter every 970 00:43:38,004 --> 00:43:38,740 time. 971 00:43:39,074 --> 00:43:42,484 And I said, you can do that, but it's not interference, because it's not the 972 00:43:42,484 --> 00:43:44,614 catcher's actions that make interference. 973 00:43:44,614 --> 00:43:46,034 It's the batter. 974 00:43:46,134 --> 00:43:48,434 So the batters have two options on that. 975 00:43:48,434 --> 00:43:53,454 Be a statue, or if you're going to move, move completely out of the way. 976 00:43:53,774 --> 00:43:55,914 Just don't even run across to the first base. 977 00:43:55,914 --> 00:43:56,894 Do whatever. 978 00:43:56,894 --> 00:43:59,934 But you either disappear or you're a statue. 979 00:43:59,974 --> 00:44:01,874 And those are your two options. 980 00:44:02,914 --> 00:44:07,314 And then after that, then if you know that bass line, then you kind of at least have 981 00:44:07,314 --> 00:44:07,850 it. 982 00:44:07,850 --> 00:44:11,010 a discussion on the judgment call, whether it was interference or not. 983 00:44:11,010 --> 00:44:16,890 If the guy moves, but the umpire doesn't think that it interfered with the throw, 984 00:44:16,890 --> 00:44:18,510 then it's not interference. 985 00:44:18,510 --> 00:44:25,240 But to say, well, yeah, he moved, but he didn't do it on purpose intent has nothing 986 00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:30,710 to do with the role or, but he was still in the box. 987 00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:33,750 The box doesn't protect you. 988 00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:34,882 It's your movements. 989 00:44:34,882 --> 00:44:38,742 It's either he completely got out of the way or he stood perfectly still. 990 00:44:38,742 --> 00:44:42,082 And if you've stood still, there's no interference. 991 00:44:42,102 --> 00:44:45,002 So those are the two things. 992 00:44:45,802 --> 00:44:49,482 The box doesn't create any protection. 993 00:44:50,502 --> 00:44:55,612 And it's the hitters movements that make the interference, not the catchers. 994 00:44:55,726 --> 00:44:56,826 Gotcha. 995 00:44:56,846 --> 00:44:58,266 I have another question. 996 00:44:58,266 --> 00:45:04,536 Okay, one that comes up a lot So let's talk about the actual runner's lane 997 00:45:04,536 --> 00:45:10,846 because I think that actually is something that exists If I'm not mistaken, but the 998 00:45:10,846 --> 00:45:17,126 runner's lane when the runner when the batter runner is going to first base I've 999 00:45:17,126 --> 00:45:20,658 been told that that little box that's on the inside 1000 00:45:20,658 --> 00:45:28,098 and on the outside, in the last half distance to the base, that you are not to 1001 00:45:28,098 --> 00:45:34,018 be inside of that, well, if there's a play anyway, you can be wherever you want if 1002 00:45:34,018 --> 00:45:39,078 there's no play, but if there's a play that you're not supposed to be inside of 1003 00:45:39,078 --> 00:45:43,328 that runner's lane in the last half of it, and the only time that you can be in fair 1004 00:45:43,328 --> 00:45:48,098 territory is on that last step when you step on the bag which is in fair 1005 00:45:48,098 --> 00:45:49,101 territory. 1006 00:45:49,101 --> 00:45:50,361 That's what I've been told. 1007 00:45:50,361 --> 00:45:54,341 I don't know if that's right or that's wrong, but can you explain that runner's 1008 00:45:54,341 --> 00:45:54,901 lane to me? 1009 00:45:54,901 --> 00:46:00,561 And is it only if a ball is coming, is it any thrown ball to first or does it have 1010 00:46:00,561 --> 00:46:05,001 to be from like the catcher or down the line or can it be from a third baseman or 1011 00:46:05,001 --> 00:46:06,701 what is that? 1012 00:46:06,701 --> 00:46:07,731 Can you explain that? 1013 00:46:07,731 --> 00:46:11,871 Because that runner's lane thing, that causes all kinds of controversy almost 1014 00:46:11,871 --> 00:46:13,152 every time it comes up. 1015 00:46:13,152 --> 00:46:17,092 every time every time that's one of the big ones that we see in the world series 1016 00:46:17,092 --> 00:46:22,142 too like from little league to the world series so the runner's lane the runner's 1017 00:46:22,142 --> 00:46:27,362 lane is just you got to think of it as protection against interference if you 1018 00:46:27,362 --> 00:46:27,881 enter 1019 00:46:27,881 --> 00:46:28,121 protect? 1020 00:46:28,121 --> 00:46:29,485 Who does it protect? 1021 00:46:29,922 --> 00:46:33,772 So the runners depends on which rule set. 1022 00:46:33,772 --> 00:46:35,922 So rule set matters in this one. 1023 00:46:36,082 --> 00:46:37,172 I don't do college. 1024 00:46:37,172 --> 00:46:38,562 So I don't know NCAA. 1025 00:46:38,562 --> 00:46:39,902 So I won't talk about that one. 1026 00:46:39,902 --> 00:46:43,902 I don't do much high school either, but I know a little bit about it. 1027 00:46:43,902 --> 00:46:48,622 In OBR, it protects the fielder at first receiving the ball. 1028 00:46:49,202 --> 00:46:53,632 In high school, it protects the person receiving the player receiving the ball 1029 00:46:53,632 --> 00:46:55,522 and the thrower. 1030 00:46:55,942 --> 00:46:57,782 So here's the difference. 1031 00:46:58,362 --> 00:46:59,178 In. 1032 00:46:59,178 --> 00:47:07,018 OBR requires a quality throw and what a Major League umpire described it to me as, 1033 00:47:07,278 --> 00:47:13,298 if you remove the runner, would the fielder have made the catch or have been 1034 00:47:13,298 --> 00:47:14,938 able to catch the ball? 1035 00:47:15,198 --> 00:47:17,338 That makes it a quality throw. 1036 00:47:17,338 --> 00:47:21,428 So if the catcher, if the runner's out of the batter's ball or out of the runner's 1037 00:47:21,428 --> 00:47:26,688 lane and the catcher throws a 10 feet over his head, he didn't interfere with the guy 1038 00:47:26,688 --> 00:47:28,002 receiving the throw. 1039 00:47:28,418 --> 00:47:30,118 you need that quality throw. 1040 00:47:30,118 --> 00:47:36,538 In high school, it protects the receiver and the thrower by making it, well, the 1041 00:47:36,538 --> 00:47:40,978 thrower threw it 10 feet over his head because he was trying to miss the runner. 1042 00:47:41,298 --> 00:47:45,518 So it protects both as far as my understanding of it is. 1043 00:47:45,878 --> 00:47:53,338 So to get that protection, though, you need to be in the runner's lane from the 1044 00:47:53,338 --> 00:47:57,658 beginning of that, that 40 foot lane, all the way until that last step at the end. 1045 00:47:58,818 --> 00:48:01,658 Crudely, I made the joke one time. 1046 00:48:01,658 --> 00:48:02,758 I said, it's like a condom. 1047 00:48:02,758 --> 00:48:04,898 You don't just put it on at the end. 1048 00:48:04,898 --> 00:48:07,178 You have to get the protection. 1049 00:48:07,178 --> 00:48:13,978 You got from beginning to end, you got to be in the lane to have the protection. 1050 00:48:14,618 --> 00:48:16,698 So that's what it is. 1051 00:48:16,698 --> 00:48:18,198 So it's protected. 1052 00:48:18,198 --> 00:48:24,458 So I'm thinking, I'll give you an example of that lane that was at the Brewers and 1053 00:48:24,458 --> 00:48:27,578 Cardinals where it was construction. 1054 00:48:28,290 --> 00:48:33,220 Which I'll tell you, technically I get into arguments with this, with umpires on 1055 00:48:33,220 --> 00:48:34,330 this all the time. 1056 00:48:34,330 --> 00:48:36,430 Technically it was the correct call. 1057 00:48:36,430 --> 00:48:38,350 I would never in a million years call it. 1058 00:48:38,350 --> 00:48:39,310 The guy was out. 1059 00:48:39,310 --> 00:48:42,810 Just don't interject where you don't need to be interjecting. 1060 00:48:42,810 --> 00:48:43,790 It was out. 1061 00:48:43,790 --> 00:48:46,750 Technically though, the field, the pitcher, once he let go of the ball, he 1062 00:48:46,750 --> 00:48:49,940 was no longer in the act of fielding or throwing and he needed to be out of the 1063 00:48:49,940 --> 00:48:50,370 way. 1064 00:48:50,370 --> 00:48:53,110 But I hear all the time, well, he wasn't in the runner's lane. 1065 00:48:53,110 --> 00:48:54,510 Well, so what? 1066 00:48:54,710 --> 00:48:57,950 He didn't, he wasn't in the runner's lane. 1067 00:48:58,018 --> 00:49:04,258 And in doing so, he did not interfere with the receiver at first base. 1068 00:49:04,398 --> 00:49:07,378 The ball was in front of him, so he couldn't have possibly interfered with it. 1069 00:49:07,378 --> 00:49:09,438 So he can run anywhere he wants. 1070 00:49:09,438 --> 00:49:11,118 And this is another thing too. 1071 00:49:11,118 --> 00:49:17,158 I could swear at some point in my life, I read that the throw had to originate from 1072 00:49:17,158 --> 00:49:19,138 in front of the plate. 1073 00:49:19,178 --> 00:49:20,718 I haven't been able to find that. 1074 00:49:20,718 --> 00:49:22,938 I've looked, I've asked, nowhere is that. 1075 00:49:22,938 --> 00:49:24,968 So you asked, can it come from third? 1076 00:49:24,968 --> 00:49:26,698 Does it have to come from the plate? 1077 00:49:26,754 --> 00:49:28,414 It can come from anywhere. 1078 00:49:28,654 --> 00:49:29,694 You've got to be in the lane. 1079 00:49:29,694 --> 00:49:34,654 Can't interfere with the receiver fielding that throw if he's outside that lane. 1080 00:49:34,654 --> 00:49:40,444 that's why I asked that because I on one of the videos that I put up it was the 1081 00:49:40,444 --> 00:49:45,164 ball came from like the third baseman and Someone was talking about the runners lane 1082 00:49:45,164 --> 00:49:50,064 interference and then someone said no throw from third that there's no such 1083 00:49:50,064 --> 00:49:53,474 thing as running interference on a throw from third and then there was an Argument 1084 00:49:53,474 --> 00:49:55,534 like yes, there can't be and no there can't be it. 1085 00:49:55,534 --> 00:49:56,930 So I was just wondering so 1086 00:49:56,930 --> 00:49:58,000 I haven't found it. 1087 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:02,780 I could, like I said, I could swear I read it at one time, but I haven't been able to 1088 00:50:02,780 --> 00:50:03,040 find it. 1089 00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:07,950 I tried to read the umpire manuals and the rule book and I couldn't find it. 1090 00:50:07,950 --> 00:50:10,990 So you asked me at this point right now, it could come from anywhere. 1091 00:50:10,990 --> 00:50:14,310 But yeah, so that's the two things have to happen for the run to you to have runners 1092 00:50:14,310 --> 00:50:14,990 lane interference. 1093 00:50:14,990 --> 00:50:18,590 They have to be outside of the runners lane at any time. 1094 00:50:18,590 --> 00:50:22,888 And in the umpire's judgment have to interfere with the receiver. 1095 00:50:23,014 --> 00:50:23,384 Yep. 1096 00:50:23,384 --> 00:50:23,940 Okay. 1097 00:50:23,940 --> 00:50:26,740 they don't do that, if they don't do those two things, you don't have runners, 1098 00:50:26,740 --> 00:50:27,490 linear. 1099 00:50:28,039 --> 00:50:29,059 Gotcha. 1100 00:50:29,199 --> 00:50:30,719 Here's another one. 1101 00:50:31,179 --> 00:50:34,439 What's an infield fly? 1102 00:50:34,439 --> 00:50:42,239 Because I've seen plays where the ball's in the outfield, but it's an infield fly. 1103 00:50:43,059 --> 00:50:49,099 And so I've seen a check swing where the ball didn't go very high, and they didn't 1104 00:50:49,099 --> 00:50:50,299 call it an infield fly. 1105 00:50:50,299 --> 00:50:52,099 And then it was an easy double play. 1106 00:50:52,099 --> 00:50:53,295 I've seen a bunt. 1107 00:50:53,295 --> 00:50:58,325 I've seen a bunk that went all the way way sky high and they didn't call it an 1108 00:50:58,325 --> 00:50:59,355 infield fly. 1109 00:50:59,855 --> 00:51:04,795 So, just break down what the hell is an infield fly? 1110 00:51:04,795 --> 00:51:06,662 And does it have to be in the infield? 1111 00:51:06,662 --> 00:51:07,802 No, it does not. 1112 00:51:07,802 --> 00:51:09,622 So first of all, you need a force out at third. 1113 00:51:09,622 --> 00:51:11,062 You need a force play at third. 1114 00:51:11,062 --> 00:51:11,582 Okay. 1115 00:51:11,582 --> 00:51:13,322 Either runners on first, second, or bases loaded. 1116 00:51:13,322 --> 00:51:15,102 So you need a force at third. 1117 00:51:15,482 --> 00:51:17,652 Then it cannot be a bunt or a line drive. 1118 00:51:17,652 --> 00:51:23,162 And a line drive is defined as a ball that is hit sharply and directly to a fielder. 1119 00:51:23,162 --> 00:51:27,982 So a little loop is not a line drive and you can't have that on there. 1120 00:51:27,982 --> 00:51:30,442 I've called it on a little looper. 1121 00:51:30,442 --> 00:51:34,370 I wrongly called it on a little looper back in my early umpire career. 1122 00:51:34,370 --> 00:51:36,170 And that's how things stick with you. 1123 00:51:36,170 --> 00:51:38,680 Like you screw up and then you go, OK, well, I learned from that one. 1124 00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:39,970 I won't do it again. 1125 00:51:40,750 --> 00:51:41,730 So you can't. 1126 00:51:41,730 --> 00:51:44,050 No bunts, no line drives. 1127 00:51:44,350 --> 00:51:46,330 Have to have a force of third. 1128 00:51:46,330 --> 00:51:52,930 And it's a ball that can be caught by an infielder with, quote, ordinary effort, 1129 00:51:52,930 --> 00:51:53,910 unquote. 1130 00:51:54,010 --> 00:51:58,800 So sprinting back, giving one of these football catches, that's not ordinary 1131 00:51:58,800 --> 00:51:59,626 effort. 1132 00:51:59,650 --> 00:52:02,560 But the one that I'm thinking of is probably the one that you were thinking of 1133 00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,430 the Cardinals, Graves, yeah, in the playoffs. 1134 00:52:06,350 --> 00:52:08,710 He was way in the outfield. 1135 00:52:08,710 --> 00:52:13,040 And you can see if you're watching and you're unbiased, I'm a Giants fan. 1136 00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:14,300 I had no dog in the fight. 1137 00:52:14,300 --> 00:52:15,390 I didn't care. 1138 00:52:15,390 --> 00:52:16,760 I was just watching a good game. 1139 00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:18,350 That's all I cared about. 1140 00:52:18,450 --> 00:52:22,520 You can see, and I can't remember who the shortstop was right now, but he had a beat 1141 00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:23,590 on the ball. 1142 00:52:23,590 --> 00:52:24,670 He wasn't sprinting. 1143 00:52:24,670 --> 00:52:26,814 He was kind of half jogging. 1144 00:52:26,814 --> 00:52:28,064 Squared up to the infield. 1145 00:52:28,064 --> 00:52:31,344 That's probably a good first clue is he squared shoulders squared up to the 1146 00:52:31,344 --> 00:52:37,424 infield He started to call it and not only does it not have to be in the infield if 1147 00:52:37,424 --> 00:52:40,974 the left fielder had made that catch It's still an infield fly. 1148 00:52:40,974 --> 00:52:46,284 It doesn't even have to be caught by an infielder to be an infield fly But because 1149 00:52:46,284 --> 00:52:49,724 he got out there it was high enough that he was able to get out far enough with 1150 00:52:49,724 --> 00:52:52,584 ordinary effort That was the correct call. 1151 00:52:52,584 --> 00:52:56,528 It was an infield fly the batters out 1152 00:52:56,834 --> 00:52:58,324 and runners, that's the only thing. 1153 00:52:58,324 --> 00:52:59,594 That's the only thing about an infield fly. 1154 00:52:59,594 --> 00:53:01,034 People make too much of it. 1155 00:53:01,034 --> 00:53:01,914 The batter is out. 1156 00:53:01,914 --> 00:53:03,374 Everything else is regular baseball. 1157 00:53:03,374 --> 00:53:05,214 If he catches it, you still have to tag. 1158 00:53:05,214 --> 00:53:08,414 If he drops it, you don't have to run it because there's no force anymore. 1159 00:53:09,294 --> 00:53:14,414 I had one of my umpires from, I still get calls from San Francisco guys, hey, what's 1160 00:53:14,414 --> 00:53:15,634 the rule on this? 1161 00:53:15,954 --> 00:53:19,874 One of my guys said, did you know that on an infield fly, even if they drop it, they 1162 00:53:19,874 --> 00:53:20,994 have to tag up? 1163 00:53:20,994 --> 00:53:23,154 No, they don't. 1164 00:53:23,194 --> 00:53:26,050 Yeah, no, that's what my assigner said. 1165 00:53:26,050 --> 00:53:31,250 that he has to catch it or if it falls, they have to tag up. 1166 00:53:32,030 --> 00:53:34,190 I said, well, they have to tag up from when? 1167 00:53:34,190 --> 00:53:41,630 Like, if it gets this low, if it gets this low, when it hits the ground, like when do 1168 00:53:41,630 --> 00:53:42,790 they have to tag up? 1169 00:53:42,790 --> 00:53:44,420 And he even said the signer looked up. 1170 00:53:44,420 --> 00:53:45,910 He goes, wow, I learned something new. 1171 00:53:45,910 --> 00:53:46,890 And that's something cool. 1172 00:53:46,890 --> 00:53:47,470 That's fine. 1173 00:53:47,470 --> 00:53:49,230 Everyone learns something new every day. 1174 00:53:49,230 --> 00:53:50,210 Keep learning. 1175 00:53:50,210 --> 00:53:51,910 I've been doing this a long time. 1176 00:53:51,910 --> 00:53:52,970 I'm still learning all the time. 1177 00:53:52,970 --> 00:53:54,676 I messed up a rule thing. 1178 00:53:54,676 --> 00:53:56,206 On Facebook just the other day. 1179 00:53:56,206 --> 00:53:57,566 I was like, oh, that's right. 1180 00:53:57,566 --> 00:53:59,566 All right, you got me on that one. 1181 00:53:59,986 --> 00:54:02,886 But it was it's an infield fly. 1182 00:54:03,086 --> 00:54:07,756 Force out a third, not a bunter or line drive, able to be caught with ordinary 1183 00:54:07,756 --> 00:54:09,466 effort by an infielder. 1184 00:54:09,846 --> 00:54:13,626 There is no line, like you said, it can be in the outfield. 1185 00:54:13,626 --> 00:54:15,206 It could be caught by an outfielder as well. 1186 00:54:15,206 --> 00:54:17,426 It can be dropped by an outfielder. 1187 00:54:17,466 --> 00:54:20,286 But there it's those are the three things. 1188 00:54:20,286 --> 00:54:23,810 Force a third, not a bunter or line drive. 1189 00:54:23,810 --> 00:54:26,940 caught by ordinary effort, being able to be caught by ordinary effort, by an 1190 00:54:26,940 --> 00:54:27,830 infield. 1191 00:54:28,070 --> 00:54:29,570 I'm gonna try to make that as simple as I can. 1192 00:54:29,570 --> 00:54:34,350 I used a lot of words to make it simple, but that's how my brain works. 1193 00:54:34,401 --> 00:54:35,201 Gotcha. 1194 00:54:35,201 --> 00:54:38,671 Okay, something else that comes up a lot, and I'm just trying to think of these 1195 00:54:38,671 --> 00:54:41,911 posts that go like bat shit crazy, right? 1196 00:54:41,911 --> 00:54:44,981 Like, no one knows what the hell's going on. 1197 00:54:44,981 --> 00:54:46,741 And literally, that's about half of that. 1198 00:54:46,741 --> 00:54:49,241 Actually, that's all of them, really. 1199 00:54:49,421 --> 00:54:52,681 There was one that I put up not too long ago and someone said, man, they're doing 1200 00:54:52,681 --> 00:54:53,661 good on this one. 1201 00:54:53,661 --> 00:54:56,561 And it was like, I said, just wait, just wait. 1202 00:54:57,001 --> 00:54:59,033 Oh, is that you that's... 1203 00:54:59,126 --> 00:55:00,046 I don't remember the situation. 1204 00:55:00,046 --> 00:55:02,676 But I was like, hey, this is like eight responses. 1205 00:55:02,676 --> 00:55:03,896 And they all got it right so far. 1206 00:55:03,896 --> 00:55:05,266 And you said, Oh, hold on. 1207 00:55:05,266 --> 00:55:06,766 Just wait. 1208 00:55:07,686 --> 00:55:08,292 Yeah. 1209 00:55:08,292 --> 00:55:14,532 I put up some quite often and the catcher is in the baseline. 1210 00:55:14,692 --> 00:55:16,432 I said baseline again. 1211 00:55:16,432 --> 00:55:17,672 The catcher. 1212 00:55:17,672 --> 00:55:18,672 Okay. 1213 00:55:18,672 --> 00:55:25,032 The catcher is in is the catcher does not have the ball, but yet he's in front of 1214 00:55:25,032 --> 00:55:27,292 the play to where the runners coming home. 1215 00:55:27,292 --> 00:55:29,852 I'm just going to say baseline because that's what everyone knows. 1216 00:55:30,132 --> 00:55:31,992 Catcher's in the baseline. 1217 00:55:32,752 --> 00:55:33,292 Yeah. 1218 00:55:33,292 --> 00:55:34,092 Catcher's in the. 1219 00:55:34,092 --> 00:55:34,816 Okay, so. 1220 00:55:34,816 --> 00:55:36,336 The catcher's in the baseline. 1221 00:55:36,336 --> 00:55:38,276 He does not have the ball. 1222 00:55:38,276 --> 00:55:42,766 He's waiting on the ball to come to him and he's up the line a little bit and he's 1223 00:55:42,766 --> 00:55:43,916 just waiting. 1224 00:55:43,916 --> 00:55:45,776 What's the runner supposed to do? 1225 00:55:45,776 --> 00:55:50,476 Like does the runner like have to go all the way around him? 1226 00:55:50,476 --> 00:55:52,546 Is the runner allowed to make contact with him? 1227 00:55:52,546 --> 00:55:54,376 Can he flat truck him? 1228 00:55:54,376 --> 00:55:59,010 What's going on when the catcher is in the line without the ball? 1229 00:55:59,010 --> 00:56:01,950 Yeah, so again, this is going to be rule set specific. 1230 00:56:01,950 --> 00:56:09,160 So OBR, the catcher can move into the runner's lane if the throw takes him 1231 00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:10,170 there. 1232 00:56:10,290 --> 00:56:12,450 In high school, that's obstruction. 1233 00:56:12,450 --> 00:56:16,590 He can't block the runner at all without the ball. 1234 00:56:16,590 --> 00:56:18,110 So it's a little bit different. 1235 00:56:18,110 --> 00:56:22,430 But the way it was explained to me, because I hate the rule. 1236 00:56:22,430 --> 00:56:25,230 I tell you, I don't like this rule. 1237 00:56:25,762 --> 00:56:28,722 I still have trouble with it, but the way it was explained to me is it's like the 1238 00:56:28,722 --> 00:56:29,902 runner's lane. 1239 00:56:30,262 --> 00:56:37,832 If you don't start in a legal position, you don't get the protection of moving in 1240 00:56:37,832 --> 00:56:39,782 the lane if the throw takes you up there. 1241 00:56:39,782 --> 00:56:43,722 So starting position for a catcher in OBR is you have to be in front of the plate. 1242 00:56:43,722 --> 00:56:44,682 You can't be behind the plate. 1243 00:56:44,682 --> 00:56:46,182 You got to be in front of the plate. 1244 00:56:46,362 --> 00:56:50,772 Then if the throw takes you up the line, you're allowed to go wherever you need to 1245 00:56:50,772 --> 00:56:52,242 go to make the play. 1246 00:56:52,402 --> 00:56:55,700 And if the runner happens to collide with you, 1247 00:56:56,450 --> 00:56:58,550 then it's just a train wreck. 1248 00:56:58,550 --> 00:57:00,250 That's what it is. 1249 00:57:00,250 --> 00:57:04,030 What a runner cannot do is create malicious contact. 1250 00:57:04,030 --> 00:57:08,340 So if he's standing there, I think there was a softball girl that you posted where 1251 00:57:08,340 --> 00:57:10,570 the girl was just standing there and just got pummeled. 1252 00:57:10,570 --> 00:57:14,970 And someone said, look, the rule says that if he's standing on it, you can truck him. 1253 00:57:14,970 --> 00:57:17,910 And I, again, four words. 1254 00:57:18,030 --> 00:57:19,610 What rule says that? 1255 00:57:19,610 --> 00:57:20,490 Show me the rule. 1256 00:57:20,490 --> 00:57:21,490 What rule says that? 1257 00:57:21,490 --> 00:57:23,570 And sometimes I get, I think I did this one. 1258 00:57:23,570 --> 00:57:26,466 I said, oh yeah, no, if she's standing there, you can drop kick her. 1259 00:57:26,466 --> 00:57:27,786 See, I can make things up too. 1260 00:57:27,786 --> 00:57:29,866 Like we're all just making things up. 1261 00:57:29,986 --> 00:57:35,606 But yeah, so if the throw is taking, the throw has to be taking them up the line. 1262 00:57:35,606 --> 00:57:39,136 And then you just kind of get into that, was it avoidable by the runner? 1263 00:57:39,136 --> 00:57:41,126 That's where your malicious contact comes in. 1264 00:57:41,126 --> 00:57:46,926 Was it avoidable if the catcher's coming up and the runner's still running and they 1265 00:57:46,926 --> 00:57:52,016 just happen to run, you're not calling malicious contact on an unavoidable 1266 00:57:52,016 --> 00:57:52,966 collision. 1267 00:57:52,966 --> 00:57:55,810 But if the catcher's standing there, not giving you, 1268 00:57:55,810 --> 00:57:56,770 any room. 1269 00:57:56,770 --> 00:58:00,750 No, you cannot truck the catcher in any level. 1270 00:58:01,850 --> 00:58:08,000 Back in before Buster Posey, again, Giants fan, before the Buster Posey incident, I 1271 00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:12,370 guess you could, but even at the youth level, you were never able to. 1272 00:58:12,370 --> 00:58:13,250 Never been an option. 1273 00:58:13,250 --> 00:58:14,270 You can never do it. 1274 00:58:14,270 --> 00:58:18,770 You kind of got to move around or make it a big deal so that the Empire sees that 1275 00:58:18,770 --> 00:58:19,970 it's obstruction. 1276 00:58:20,210 --> 00:58:25,058 If you even pass the catcher, if the catcher is standing on the plate, 1277 00:58:25,058 --> 00:58:30,598 and you run by the catcher and never touch the plate, the correct call is to call you 1278 00:58:30,598 --> 00:58:36,118 safe, even on appeal because you were obstructed and the obstruction kept you 1279 00:58:36,118 --> 00:58:37,578 from touching the plate. 1280 00:58:37,818 --> 00:58:39,618 That's a type two obstruction. 1281 00:58:40,238 --> 00:58:41,758 So there's two types of obstruction. 1282 00:58:41,758 --> 00:58:45,188 I don't know, you know, your audience knows them or you know them, but there's 1283 00:58:45,188 --> 00:58:46,698 two types of obstruction. 1284 00:58:46,698 --> 00:58:52,278 Obstruction on the runner type one is the runner obstruction on the runner being 1285 00:58:52,278 --> 00:58:52,998 made the play on. 1286 00:58:52,998 --> 00:58:54,164 So like a rundown. 1287 00:58:55,330 --> 00:59:00,460 That runner has a play being made on and if there's obstruction on it, it's 1288 00:59:00,460 --> 00:59:02,190 automatically call time right away. 1289 00:59:02,190 --> 00:59:04,030 They get a minimum of one base. 1290 00:59:04,030 --> 00:59:08,000 So if they're, even if they're going back to second on a rundown and they're 1291 00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:12,140 obstructed, going back to second, everyone thinks, oh, he gets the base he's going 1292 00:59:12,140 --> 00:59:12,410 to. 1293 00:59:12,410 --> 00:59:14,910 No, it's a minimum one base. 1294 00:59:14,910 --> 00:59:15,710 They get third. 1295 00:59:15,710 --> 00:59:17,630 They could be on top of second base. 1296 00:59:17,630 --> 00:59:20,590 If they were obstructed, they're getting third. 1297 00:59:20,970 --> 00:59:23,074 I got a good one for you on that one too. 1298 00:59:23,074 --> 00:59:25,214 Type two is there's no play being made on the runner. 1299 00:59:25,214 --> 00:59:30,084 So a runner's rounding a base, the throw is in the outfield and this catcher 1300 00:59:30,084 --> 00:59:34,274 standing on the plate and the runner has to go around them. 1301 00:59:34,834 --> 00:59:39,744 That obstruction is the umpire does whatever he does in his judgment to negate 1302 00:59:39,744 --> 00:59:40,554 the obstruction. 1303 00:59:40,554 --> 00:59:43,694 So if he says in my judgment, he would have scored if there would have been no 1304 00:59:43,694 --> 00:59:45,774 obstruction, you score the runner. 1305 00:59:46,394 --> 00:59:51,412 If the runner's obstructed rounding third and gets thrown out by 30 feet, 1306 00:59:51,682 --> 00:59:54,842 And in the empire's judgment, the obstruction, he still would have got 1307 00:59:54,842 --> 00:59:55,342 thrown out. 1308 00:59:55,342 --> 00:59:58,402 He's still out, even though you recognize the obstruction. 1309 00:59:58,402 --> 01:00:00,342 That's obstructed right there. 1310 01:00:00,342 --> 01:00:01,762 But yeah, he was thrown out by 40 feet. 1311 01:00:01,762 --> 01:00:02,922 He was going to be out anyway. 1312 01:00:02,922 --> 01:00:04,562 You still call the out. 1313 01:00:05,042 --> 01:00:07,282 But I had a, I had a play. 1314 01:00:07,282 --> 01:00:09,202 I was even, I was watching. 1315 01:00:09,202 --> 01:00:13,162 I grew up across street, like literally across street from a park, we're at 1316 01:00:13,162 --> 01:00:14,102 baseball field. 1317 01:00:14,102 --> 01:00:15,802 So I'd go over all the time. 1318 01:00:15,802 --> 01:00:17,292 My parents still live at that place. 1319 01:00:17,292 --> 01:00:21,186 So I go over there when I'm visiting and you literally hear a crack of a bat. 1320 01:00:21,186 --> 01:00:23,066 ping of the bat and I'm like, oh, there's a game. 1321 01:00:23,066 --> 01:00:23,966 All right, I'm gonna go watch it. 1322 01:00:23,966 --> 01:00:24,846 We're gonna go over there. 1323 01:00:24,846 --> 01:00:30,726 So I'm watching the game and I know the guys, it's for a middle school league, one 1324 01:00:30,726 --> 01:00:31,646 of the local teams. 1325 01:00:31,646 --> 01:00:35,266 And I know the president of league who's the AD at that school. 1326 01:00:35,266 --> 01:00:38,726 And one of my buddies is umpiring because he umpires for it. 1327 01:00:38,726 --> 01:00:40,306 I had nothing to do with the game. 1328 01:00:40,306 --> 01:00:42,436 I umpired in the league, but I had nothing to do with that game. 1329 01:00:42,436 --> 01:00:43,766 So I'm standing there. 1330 01:00:44,546 --> 01:00:48,526 The base is loaded, they run a pickoff play at second and the shortstop is 1331 01:00:48,526 --> 01:00:49,546 standing. 1332 01:00:49,794 --> 01:00:52,494 And they were playing, they played high school rules, the shortstop standing in 1333 01:00:52,494 --> 01:00:54,314 the way of the runner going back second. 1334 01:00:54,314 --> 01:00:58,794 So the umpire calls time, that's obstruction and he keeps him at second. 1335 01:00:58,854 --> 01:01:03,974 So I'm talking to the president of the league and I wanted my home team to my 1336 01:01:03,974 --> 01:01:04,804 local team to win. 1337 01:01:04,804 --> 01:01:09,834 So I said it loud enough and said, Hey, you know what, because he was obstructed 1338 01:01:09,834 --> 01:01:15,174 on the runner making play, he's supposed to get third in the run from third scores. 1339 01:01:15,174 --> 01:01:18,472 And the coach who I wanted him to hear me goes, wait, what? 1340 01:01:18,518 --> 01:01:21,788 And I say, oh yeah, go tell him that I said it. 1341 01:01:21,788 --> 01:01:27,678 Because the guy who was umpiring, he was a really good umpire. 1342 01:01:27,678 --> 01:01:30,468 And he would constantly text me, hey, what's the rule on this? 1343 01:01:30,468 --> 01:01:31,718 Here's a play. 1344 01:01:32,098 --> 01:01:36,078 Before you can tag me on social media, he would text me plays. 1345 01:01:36,078 --> 01:01:40,058 And so if it was a really odd one, I'd look it up, I'd do some homework, and I'd 1346 01:01:40,058 --> 01:01:41,718 send it back to him. 1347 01:01:42,078 --> 01:01:47,490 And he calls time during the game, comes up to me in the bleachers. 1348 01:01:47,490 --> 01:01:48,660 It was, Hey, Juan, did you see that? 1349 01:01:48,660 --> 01:01:50,230 I was like, yeah. 1350 01:01:50,330 --> 01:01:52,300 I called obstruction on him going back to second. 1351 01:01:52,300 --> 01:01:52,860 What's the cause? 1352 01:01:52,860 --> 01:01:54,040 I said, well, that's type one. 1353 01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:55,950 I'm supposed to send him back over there. 1354 01:01:55,950 --> 01:01:57,890 Minimum over there. 1355 01:01:57,890 --> 01:02:00,390 And the other coach went nuts. 1356 01:02:00,390 --> 01:02:05,600 And he comes up saying something to me, or I said something to this guy and he says 1357 01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:06,100 something to me. 1358 01:02:06,100 --> 01:02:09,490 And I got into it from the bleachers with the coach who had nothing to do with it. 1359 01:02:09,490 --> 01:02:10,840 I played pro ball. 1360 01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:11,880 I was like, oh, here we go. 1361 01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,790 Now I know I'm in for a doozy because I played pro ball. 1362 01:02:14,790 --> 01:02:17,218 So I know all the rules and that's the other thing. 1363 01:02:17,218 --> 01:02:19,858 Because you played at a level doesn't mean you know what you're talking about. 1364 01:02:19,858 --> 01:02:21,518 You're really good at playing. 1365 01:02:21,518 --> 01:02:23,038 Like you're really good at playing. 1366 01:02:23,038 --> 01:02:25,028 Better than I would have ever been. 1367 01:02:25,028 --> 01:02:26,278 Better than I would ever hope to be. 1368 01:02:26,278 --> 01:02:26,698 Great. 1369 01:02:26,698 --> 01:02:27,328 Good for you. 1370 01:02:27,328 --> 01:02:28,018 Congratulations. 1371 01:02:28,018 --> 01:02:28,798 Happy for you. 1372 01:02:28,798 --> 01:02:29,558 That's awesome. 1373 01:02:29,558 --> 01:02:32,788 I wish I if I could trade my empire knowledge for that playing career, I would 1374 01:02:32,788 --> 01:02:33,478 do it right now. 1375 01:02:33,478 --> 01:02:33,958 No problem. 1376 01:02:33,958 --> 01:02:35,258 No question asked. 1377 01:02:35,398 --> 01:02:36,348 But you don't know the rules. 1378 01:02:36,348 --> 01:02:37,168 You don't study the rules. 1379 01:02:37,168 --> 01:02:38,998 You don't get into the rule book. 1380 01:02:39,258 --> 01:02:44,298 Because, you know, I used to have a rule book in the bathroom before we had 1381 01:02:44,298 --> 01:02:44,938 smartphones. 1382 01:02:44,938 --> 01:02:46,188 That's what you did. 1383 01:02:46,188 --> 01:02:46,594 good. 1384 01:02:46,594 --> 01:02:50,834 And, you know, I got into it because I hear that all the time. 1385 01:02:50,834 --> 01:02:52,754 Well, I played in college. 1386 01:02:53,694 --> 01:02:59,814 Malik said on a post, the rulebook doesn't care about your resume. 1387 01:03:00,054 --> 01:03:01,714 It does not care. 1388 01:03:01,714 --> 01:03:03,254 It doesn't care about your resume. 1389 01:03:03,254 --> 01:03:05,874 So yeah, that's the obstruction. 1390 01:03:05,874 --> 01:03:07,754 There's two types of obstruction. 1391 01:03:08,194 --> 01:03:11,984 And that's the one where you get, you know, you got to get to the next base, you 1392 01:03:11,984 --> 01:03:15,834 get to one base minimum, and that pushed the other runner in, so they scored. 1393 01:03:15,834 --> 01:03:16,373 So. 1394 01:03:16,373 --> 01:03:17,046 Sure. 1395 01:03:17,046 --> 01:03:17,936 That was me getting into it. 1396 01:03:17,936 --> 01:03:19,806 I thought he was gonna come fight me. 1397 01:03:19,806 --> 01:03:21,946 I was like, oh, geez, all right, here we go. 1398 01:03:21,946 --> 01:03:28,078 But yeah, I was just sitting there kind of trying to interject myself, but I did. 1399 01:03:28,148 --> 01:03:32,578 So real quick, I wanna, before we wrap up, there's a couple things that I wanted to 1400 01:03:32,578 --> 01:03:41,048 ask you, but one, first off, if there was any piece of advice that you could give to 1401 01:03:41,048 --> 01:03:47,428 the parents or the spectators, you know, typically at the levels that we're talking 1402 01:03:47,428 --> 01:03:49,708 about, it's almost always the parents, right? 1403 01:03:49,708 --> 01:03:50,808 Grandparents or something. 1404 01:03:50,808 --> 01:03:54,808 So if you had to give some advice to them, 1405 01:03:54,932 --> 01:03:59,942 when they're there watching little Johnny play and all that stuff, what advice would 1406 01:03:59,942 --> 01:04:00,842 you give to them? 1407 01:04:00,842 --> 01:04:04,832 And have there ever been any situations to where like you've heard some of the kids 1408 01:04:04,832 --> 01:04:07,312 talking about like what's going on in the stands? 1409 01:04:07,412 --> 01:04:10,962 So like what kind of advice would you give, give to the people that are there to 1410 01:04:10,962 --> 01:04:12,002 watch the game? 1411 01:04:12,930 --> 01:04:14,630 You're there to watch the game. 1412 01:04:14,630 --> 01:04:15,790 Watch the game. 1413 01:04:15,790 --> 01:04:21,310 You know, as much as you can cheer and probably not even that. 1414 01:04:21,310 --> 01:04:22,810 Like your kids don't want to hear you. 1415 01:04:22,810 --> 01:04:23,990 You're there for the kids. 1416 01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:26,510 You know, remember that first of all. 1417 01:04:28,674 --> 01:04:31,194 I guess I would say just observe this. 1418 01:04:31,194 --> 01:04:35,134 Next time there's a bad call, don't say anything. 1419 01:04:35,134 --> 01:04:36,734 Just watch your kid. 1420 01:04:36,954 --> 01:04:39,394 Watch how quickly they get over it. 1421 01:04:39,394 --> 01:04:43,334 And if it's not bothering them, it shouldn't bother you. 1422 01:04:44,114 --> 01:04:45,634 They get over it quickly. 1423 01:04:45,634 --> 01:04:47,094 They've moved on. 1424 01:04:47,094 --> 01:04:48,974 You're there for them. 1425 01:04:50,174 --> 01:04:51,494 Cheer, and that's about it. 1426 01:04:51,494 --> 01:04:54,044 If you really want to get involved, hey, get involved. 1427 01:04:54,044 --> 01:04:57,334 They're always looking for umpires to volunteer, coaches to volunteer. 1428 01:04:58,016 --> 01:05:01,446 I was talking to a friend of mine, she was asking me about a basketball coach. 1429 01:05:01,446 --> 01:05:02,586 She's like, hey, do you know this guy? 1430 01:05:02,586 --> 01:05:04,516 I said, no, I know who he is. 1431 01:05:04,516 --> 01:05:06,266 He played ball with my brother. 1432 01:05:06,326 --> 01:05:09,206 Oh, well, they don't like the way he is coaching. 1433 01:05:09,206 --> 01:05:11,166 Some of the parents don't like the way he's coaching. 1434 01:05:11,166 --> 01:05:12,906 I said, well, why aren't they coaching? 1435 01:05:12,906 --> 01:05:13,896 Oh, well, they can't. 1436 01:05:13,896 --> 01:05:15,246 They don't have time from work. 1437 01:05:15,246 --> 01:05:18,786 And I said, dot, dot, dot, said every parent who complains about everything. 1438 01:05:18,786 --> 01:05:20,426 We all have excuses. 1439 01:05:20,426 --> 01:05:22,626 We all have whatever it is. 1440 01:05:22,626 --> 01:05:24,886 But best advice is just. 1441 01:05:24,962 --> 01:05:28,722 Watch your kid and if it's not bothering them, it shouldn't bother you. 1442 01:05:28,722 --> 01:05:31,482 Cheer on, drop them off. 1443 01:05:32,202 --> 01:05:35,502 Have a drink, relax. 1444 01:05:35,706 --> 01:05:41,836 think that when the parents start chirping, the kids obviously can hear 1445 01:05:41,836 --> 01:05:43,206 their parents and they know it's them. 1446 01:05:43,206 --> 01:05:44,994 Do you think it's embarrassing them? 1447 01:05:45,226 --> 01:05:49,206 how many times I've seen a kid just drop his head like, here we go again. 1448 01:05:49,206 --> 01:05:54,556 Like I've been behind the plate with a catcher who's like, I wish he would shut 1449 01:05:54,556 --> 01:05:56,886 up, you know, talking about his dad. 1450 01:05:57,086 --> 01:06:04,426 Yeah, like I wish he would shut up or, you know, at one time my kid said, be so 1451 01:06:04,426 --> 01:06:05,646 embarrassing. 1452 01:06:06,266 --> 01:06:08,186 You know, just don't embarrass your kid. 1453 01:06:08,186 --> 01:06:10,242 You know, I think, you know, I 1454 01:06:10,242 --> 01:06:11,702 There were times where I would get in trouble. 1455 01:06:11,702 --> 01:06:13,282 My dad was like, that was embarrassing. 1456 01:06:13,282 --> 01:06:16,032 And I'm like, all right, well, let's do this. 1457 01:06:16,032 --> 01:06:17,192 We don't embarrass each other. 1458 01:06:17,192 --> 01:06:18,142 Like, how about that? 1459 01:06:18,142 --> 01:06:19,462 Just don't embarrass your kid. 1460 01:06:19,462 --> 01:06:21,542 You don't like it when he does the same thing to you. 1461 01:06:21,542 --> 01:06:22,622 Just be there. 1462 01:06:22,622 --> 01:06:23,562 Be supportive. 1463 01:06:23,562 --> 01:06:27,262 The best thing, someone told me one time, and my son's about to be eight. 1464 01:06:27,262 --> 01:06:28,378 You know, he's... 1465 01:06:30,018 --> 01:06:31,438 He's fine. 1466 01:06:31,438 --> 01:06:32,638 He's just playing. 1467 01:06:32,638 --> 01:06:35,838 He's starting to like baseball, which is all I ever, all I want. 1468 01:06:35,838 --> 01:06:38,968 But the best advice I ever got was the best thing to tell your kid after the game 1469 01:06:38,968 --> 01:06:41,978 was I had so much fun watching you play. 1470 01:06:42,038 --> 01:06:44,278 I loved watching you play like that. 1471 01:06:44,278 --> 01:06:47,698 And it really is like my son's still learning. 1472 01:06:47,758 --> 01:06:48,878 He's eight. 1473 01:06:48,878 --> 01:06:53,548 I don't think he's put a ball in play yet this year, but you know, yeah, as he's 1474 01:06:53,548 --> 01:06:55,538 swinging, I'm like, okay, that wasn't it. 1475 01:06:55,538 --> 01:06:57,508 He struck out the other day with his best swing. 1476 01:06:57,508 --> 01:06:59,038 And I was like, dude, that's the swing I want. 1477 01:06:59,038 --> 01:07:00,290 Like that's it. 1478 01:07:00,290 --> 01:07:01,030 Great job. 1479 01:07:01,030 --> 01:07:02,998 You know, encourage, be encouraging. 1480 01:07:04,896 --> 01:07:08,986 Me as a coach, and I want parents to like support the coaches. 1481 01:07:08,986 --> 01:07:10,906 That's I think a big thing. 1482 01:07:10,906 --> 01:07:14,696 If parents, if you can support the coach because a coach's job to me, especially at 1483 01:07:14,696 --> 01:07:19,826 the youth levels and especially at the like 10 and under level is to teach the 1484 01:07:19,826 --> 01:07:23,906 game a little bit and make it so much fun that they're excited to show up to 1485 01:07:23,906 --> 01:07:28,746 practice and make it even more fun that they want to sign up for next year. 1486 01:07:28,746 --> 01:07:29,986 They can't wait for next year. 1487 01:07:29,986 --> 01:07:34,006 If you can do those things and you as a parent can be supportive of a coach doing 1488 01:07:34,006 --> 01:07:35,130 those things. 1489 01:07:36,907 --> 01:07:40,747 that's that is such good advice when we were younger and some advice that I would 1490 01:07:40,747 --> 01:07:43,507 give is I would say, you know, when we were talking about coaching and 1491 01:07:43,507 --> 01:07:47,387 everything, I said, you know, especially some of the younger kids, I would say, 1492 01:07:47,387 --> 01:07:51,527 look, man, it's really important to try to teach them fundamentals at multiple 1493 01:07:51,527 --> 01:07:52,827 positions. 1494 01:07:52,827 --> 01:07:58,617 You know, do things that will help them, you know, avoid injury, stretching, you 1495 01:07:58,617 --> 01:08:00,507 know, hydration, all those things. 1496 01:08:00,507 --> 01:08:01,775 And number one is. 1497 01:08:01,775 --> 01:08:04,935 continue to have them grow their love for the game. 1498 01:08:04,935 --> 01:08:08,595 Because if they don't love it, they're not going to sign up next year, just like you 1499 01:08:08,595 --> 01:08:09,315 said. 1500 01:08:09,355 --> 01:08:11,974 So that's that. 1501 01:08:11,974 --> 01:08:15,994 I saw someone post, like, oh, my kid doesn't like baseball or soccer anymore. 1502 01:08:15,994 --> 01:08:17,694 You know, they just want to play Fortnite. 1503 01:08:17,694 --> 01:08:20,744 I said, well, ruin Fortnite for them to stand over their shoulder and go, hey, why 1504 01:08:20,744 --> 01:08:21,614 are you moving there? 1505 01:08:21,614 --> 01:08:22,974 What are you doing that for? 1506 01:08:22,974 --> 01:08:24,574 Why did you shoot that guy? 1507 01:08:24,574 --> 01:08:27,246 You'll ruin it for them to hate Fortnite. 1508 01:08:27,246 --> 01:08:30,426 Right because that that same parent they're no good at fortnight, but they're 1509 01:08:30,426 --> 01:08:33,646 the best coach and the best umpire The best coaches and the best umpires are 1510 01:08:33,646 --> 01:08:44,226 always in the stands always i'll keep No never been in back tall So so speed so let 1511 01:08:44,226 --> 01:08:49,776 me ask you this Umpire it's you know, it's in the news and everything else out of 1512 01:08:49,776 --> 01:08:54,136 control parents out of control coaches umpires getting you know, verbally abused 1513 01:08:54,136 --> 01:08:57,133 sometimes physically abused um 1514 01:08:57,133 --> 01:09:00,173 And we are, we have an umpire shortage right now. 1515 01:09:00,173 --> 01:09:01,513 There's no doubt about it. 1516 01:09:01,513 --> 01:09:08,923 So, um, I don't know of any umpire that I've ever talked to that's got into it a 1517 01:09:08,923 --> 01:09:10,393 hundred percent for the money. 1518 01:09:10,393 --> 01:09:10,653 Right. 1519 01:09:10,653 --> 01:09:12,573 I mean, they're like, okay, yes. 1520 01:09:12,573 --> 01:09:16,113 An extra paycheck is good, especially like when you're younger and all that stuff. 1521 01:09:16,113 --> 01:09:21,593 But the guys who are our age that are out there umpiring that work a full -time job, 1522 01:09:21,593 --> 01:09:23,116 they go put on the gear. 1523 01:09:23,116 --> 01:09:26,226 They go out to the games either on the weekends or at night when they could be 1524 01:09:26,226 --> 01:09:28,776 doing other things, spending time with their kids and all that stuff. 1525 01:09:28,776 --> 01:09:31,696 They're getting verbally abused, physically abused. 1526 01:09:31,696 --> 01:09:33,436 They've had enough. 1527 01:09:34,136 --> 01:09:38,196 Games right now are being umpired by one umpire sometimes. 1528 01:09:38,476 --> 01:09:39,406 Sometimes none. 1529 01:09:39,406 --> 01:09:41,996 Games are getting canceled because of an umpire shortage. 1530 01:09:42,996 --> 01:09:46,196 What can we do about this, do you think? 1531 01:09:46,196 --> 01:09:48,196 Or is it just the society? 1532 01:09:48,196 --> 01:09:51,500 But if you had a magic wand or a crystal ball... 1533 01:09:51,500 --> 01:09:56,280 What would you do to say to everyone, hey, let's try to clean this up a little bit. 1534 01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:58,180 Do you have any thoughts on that? 1535 01:09:58,818 --> 01:10:04,728 One thing that I, like our league right now, like for our, we're double A minors, 1536 01:10:04,728 --> 01:10:08,458 whatever in little league, the coaches umpire their own games. 1537 01:10:08,458 --> 01:10:09,978 I would get away from that. 1538 01:10:09,978 --> 01:10:13,518 If your league does that, don't go find a 12 year old. 1539 01:10:13,518 --> 01:10:17,778 Go tell him, you know, Hey, get behind the, the, the plate. 1540 01:10:17,778 --> 01:10:22,418 We'll give you 10 bucks and buy you lunch and buy you a cone ice or whatever you 1541 01:10:22,418 --> 01:10:27,266 guys have at the, at the field and start getting them to experience. 1542 01:10:27,266 --> 01:10:30,916 And have a board member there to be crowd controlled that, Hey, we're not going to 1543 01:10:30,916 --> 01:10:38,436 tolerate any abuse of the umpire because every umpire that I've seen is like twice 1544 01:10:38,436 --> 01:10:39,196 as old as me. 1545 01:10:39,196 --> 01:10:40,556 They're all in their seventies. 1546 01:10:40,556 --> 01:10:45,376 Um, that there we're not replenishing new umpires. 1547 01:10:45,376 --> 01:10:46,206 That's the problem. 1548 01:10:46,206 --> 01:10:49,666 The old umpires, they're either getting out of it because they can't do it anymore 1549 01:10:49,666 --> 01:10:53,626 because they don't want to take the abuse anymore, whatever the reasons are. 1550 01:10:53,626 --> 01:10:56,930 But we need new umpires to be able to get to their. 1551 01:10:56,930 --> 01:11:02,020 And when you get them, by the time they're 16, 17 years old, umpiring 12 year old 1552 01:11:02,020 --> 01:11:04,890 games where coaches are all over them, parents are all over them, they're like, 1553 01:11:04,890 --> 01:11:06,650 no, I don't want to do this anymore. 1554 01:11:06,810 --> 01:11:10,770 And now they're, they're not learning the rules because you didn't, you ran them out 1555 01:11:10,770 --> 01:11:12,210 after three games. 1556 01:11:12,250 --> 01:11:17,520 So if you can start at the eight year old, nine year old level with 12 and 13 year 1557 01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:22,690 old coaches or umpires rather, have a board member there and leave them alone. 1558 01:11:22,690 --> 01:11:25,506 Or if you're running a tournament, have a tournament director there. 1559 01:11:25,506 --> 01:11:30,636 have absolutely zero tolerance on them, now you're going to be able to get them to 1560 01:11:30,636 --> 01:11:35,556 grow in experience and knowledge and do some training with them to where hopefully 1561 01:11:35,556 --> 01:11:38,186 they grow into the wolves. 1562 01:11:38,646 --> 01:11:41,806 I parents think, y 'all, we're paying so much for a tournament, and they are. 1563 01:11:41,806 --> 01:11:44,406 Tournament, well, stupid, the pricing. 1564 01:11:44,746 --> 01:11:47,496 I saw a tournament in California, it was like 1 ,100 bucks for a three -game 1565 01:11:47,496 --> 01:11:50,326 tournament, which is ridiculous. 1566 01:11:50,326 --> 01:11:54,326 Call up another league, set up a doubleheader, you'll be better off. 1567 01:11:54,546 --> 01:11:55,514 But... 1568 01:11:56,290 --> 01:12:03,350 If you're playing your, your eight, your eight, you nine, you're those umpires are 1569 01:12:03,350 --> 01:12:05,390 learning just like your kids are. 1570 01:12:05,450 --> 01:12:07,950 You're not going to get the best umpires. 1571 01:12:07,950 --> 01:12:09,850 You're going to get new people. 1572 01:12:09,850 --> 01:12:13,030 Now that doesn't excuse umpires from being lazy or being unprofessional. 1573 01:12:13,030 --> 01:12:15,050 And I've seen some of those on video too. 1574 01:12:15,050 --> 01:12:16,450 And that's, that's uncalled for. 1575 01:12:16,450 --> 01:12:21,650 You are getting paid at least set yourself up professionally, kind of read the rule 1576 01:12:21,650 --> 01:12:25,150 book, you know, think, you know, the rule a little bit, do a little bit of homework, 1577 01:12:25,150 --> 01:12:25,954 but. 1578 01:12:26,018 --> 01:12:29,358 You know, you, you got to understand that those guys, just like your eight and nine 1579 01:12:29,358 --> 01:12:30,578 year olds are learning. 1580 01:12:30,578 --> 01:12:32,458 So are those umpires. 1581 01:12:32,458 --> 01:12:36,138 I talked to a guy the other day, his kid played pro ball. 1582 01:12:36,138 --> 01:12:39,078 Um, and his daughter was like a pro athlete as well. 1583 01:12:39,078 --> 01:12:44,078 And, uh, he runs an organization called, um, growing champions for life. 1584 01:12:44,078 --> 01:12:51,038 And he told me that parents are probably the most under coached demographic in all 1585 01:12:51,038 --> 01:12:51,898 of youth sports. 1586 01:12:51,898 --> 01:12:54,376 And I could not agree with that more. 1587 01:12:54,574 --> 01:12:56,204 Parents need to understand their role. 1588 01:12:56,204 --> 01:13:02,994 Their role is to help the coaches to help their kids love the game, to grow the 1589 01:13:02,994 --> 01:13:04,974 game, and to cheer. 1590 01:13:05,034 --> 01:13:06,984 And that's your role as a parent. 1591 01:13:06,984 --> 01:13:09,894 It's not to be an umpire, although you can be an umpire. 1592 01:13:09,894 --> 01:13:13,014 It's not to be the coach when you're in the stands, although you can be a coach on 1593 01:13:13,014 --> 01:13:16,064 the field, but it's to support those people. 1594 01:13:16,064 --> 01:13:20,574 So if you can do that and get them started when they're young, start umpires when 1595 01:13:20,574 --> 01:13:24,404 they're 12, 13 years old on the younger teams games. 1596 01:13:24,578 --> 01:13:28,518 Make mistakes and tell them and make make mistakes. 1597 01:13:28,518 --> 01:13:29,238 Okay. 1598 01:13:29,298 --> 01:13:32,948 You know, I'm sure if you coached, I don't know what the youngest youth coach you've 1599 01:13:32,948 --> 01:13:36,058 coached is, but I think you said you had kids, you had boys. 1600 01:13:36,358 --> 01:13:37,658 T ball eight, nine years old. 1601 01:13:37,658 --> 01:13:41,148 You encourage them to go make mistakes, go make an error, go get after that ball. 1602 01:13:41,148 --> 01:13:41,998 You missed it. 1603 01:13:41,998 --> 01:13:42,308 Okay. 1604 01:13:42,308 --> 01:13:43,638 What did we learn? 1605 01:13:43,638 --> 01:13:46,248 Swing, swing the bat, swing at a thing over your head. 1606 01:13:46,248 --> 01:13:48,778 Cause what did we learn not to swing at that pitch next time? 1607 01:13:48,778 --> 01:13:49,838 Okay. 1608 01:13:49,838 --> 01:13:50,598 Make mistakes. 1609 01:13:50,598 --> 01:13:51,858 I encourage mistakes. 1610 01:13:51,858 --> 01:13:53,376 Same thing with the umpires. 1611 01:13:53,922 --> 01:13:56,722 At nine years old, there's nothing you can't undo. 1612 01:13:56,882 --> 01:13:58,842 Hey, that umpire blew that call. 1613 01:13:58,842 --> 01:13:59,252 All right. 1614 01:13:59,252 --> 01:14:02,962 Well, if you have it, if you pair them with a more senior umpire, they can get 1615 01:14:02,962 --> 01:14:04,182 together and make the right call. 1616 01:14:04,182 --> 01:14:06,222 So let them make mistakes. 1617 01:14:06,222 --> 01:14:07,522 Don't. 1618 01:14:07,922 --> 01:14:10,782 Don't be like school where you punish mistakes. 1619 01:14:10,822 --> 01:14:11,772 I always say that. 1620 01:14:11,772 --> 01:14:12,222 It's so weird. 1621 01:14:12,222 --> 01:14:15,282 We punish mistakes in school, but not in real life. 1622 01:14:15,282 --> 01:14:16,042 Make it like real life. 1623 01:14:16,042 --> 01:14:17,042 Don't punish mistakes. 1624 01:14:17,042 --> 01:14:20,502 So if you can get them learning from the time they're younger with the younger 1625 01:14:20,502 --> 01:14:22,562 groups, younger ages. 1626 01:14:22,562 --> 01:14:26,382 and help them grow, you're going to replenish those umpires that are that are 1627 01:14:26,382 --> 01:14:27,622 leaving the field. 1628 01:14:27,902 --> 01:14:34,702 And, um, you know, definitely, the big thing that I see is in, uh, I call it 1629 01:14:34,702 --> 01:14:38,782 traffic ball because you drive for two hours to play in a tournament against the 1630 01:14:38,782 --> 01:14:45,082 town next door, next door to you, um, that you're stuck in traffic, but there seems 1631 01:14:45,082 --> 01:14:47,552 to be, depending on where you're jumping around, there's no count. 1632 01:14:47,552 --> 01:14:49,022 I got thrown out in this tournament. 1633 01:14:49,022 --> 01:14:49,602 Guess what? 1634 01:14:49,602 --> 01:14:53,542 We're going to another tournament in another city with another organization. 1635 01:14:53,542 --> 01:14:54,782 I'm back in coaching. 1636 01:14:54,782 --> 01:14:57,382 Whereas when you were in league ball, you got thrown out of a game, you were 1637 01:14:57,382 --> 01:15:01,222 suspended for one, two, three, eight games, whatever the league determined. 1638 01:15:01,222 --> 01:15:02,842 And there were some of those controls. 1639 01:15:02,842 --> 01:15:04,882 So if you can, if you're running an organization, like you have an 1640 01:15:04,882 --> 01:15:08,682 organization, if you have three or four teams, three or four different ages, 1641 01:15:08,682 --> 01:15:09,552 whatever it happens to be. 1642 01:15:09,552 --> 01:15:13,352 And if you can implement those controls on those coaches, you know, you got to 1643 01:15:13,352 --> 01:15:13,782 relevant. 1644 01:15:13,782 --> 01:15:15,362 Everyone has their part to do. 1645 01:15:15,362 --> 01:15:16,172 Everyone does. 1646 01:15:16,172 --> 01:15:17,122 There's no. 1647 01:15:17,122 --> 01:15:21,122 One thing that I can do, one thing that we can do. 1648 01:15:21,122 --> 01:15:23,182 Adults, be adults. 1649 01:15:24,582 --> 01:15:29,612 I don't know what you do for a living, but if you were a plumber, I wouldn't sit here 1650 01:15:29,612 --> 01:15:33,842 and yell at you and berate you because I think I can do a better job than you as a 1651 01:15:33,842 --> 01:15:34,682 plumber. 1652 01:15:34,962 --> 01:15:38,022 Why do we allow that with umpires? 1653 01:15:38,782 --> 01:15:43,662 Sure, there's some, ah, ah, that's part of the course. 1654 01:15:43,662 --> 01:15:44,622 No problem. 1655 01:15:44,622 --> 01:15:47,250 You got to get a little bit of thick skin, but. 1656 01:15:47,394 --> 01:15:51,374 You know, you suck and you're the worst person I've ever seen or Stumpire I've 1657 01:15:51,374 --> 01:15:52,254 ever seen. 1658 01:15:52,254 --> 01:15:53,504 I've gotten that a couple of times. 1659 01:15:53,504 --> 01:15:54,834 I'm like, oh, okay, cool. 1660 01:15:54,834 --> 01:15:56,674 Um, you know, I keep trying. 1661 01:15:56,674 --> 01:16:02,614 Um, but everyone does their part and really, really, really from a young age, 1662 01:16:02,614 --> 01:16:06,634 get them to grow into, into that wall would be probably my best advice. 1663 01:16:06,634 --> 01:16:11,224 And I think leagues, rec leagues have a big opportunity to be able to do that. 1664 01:16:11,224 --> 01:16:12,551 Um, to really grow. 1665 01:16:12,551 --> 01:16:16,171 it's almost like when we were talking about kids, you know continue to have the 1666 01:16:16,171 --> 01:16:19,431 grow the love for the game You almost need to have like umpires that continue to grow 1667 01:16:19,431 --> 01:16:20,871 their love for umpiring, right? 1668 01:16:20,871 --> 01:16:23,691 So That's perfect 1669 01:16:23,870 --> 01:16:28,830 you even if you played because play, you'll know this playing and coaching are 1670 01:16:28,830 --> 01:16:31,110 two completely different skills. 1671 01:16:31,630 --> 01:16:33,280 You know, coaching, you have to break things down. 1672 01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:34,340 You have to be a communicator. 1673 01:16:34,340 --> 01:16:37,690 You have to be a manager of time and other people player. 1674 01:16:37,690 --> 01:16:39,290 You go out there and play. 1675 01:16:39,290 --> 01:16:41,390 You go out there and do it. 1676 01:16:41,390 --> 01:16:46,372 And at eight, nine years old, those coaches are learning to. 1677 01:16:46,496 --> 01:16:49,466 The umpires are learning, the players are learning, the parents should be learning, 1678 01:16:49,466 --> 01:16:51,830 everybody, it should be a learning opportunity forever. 1679 01:16:51,938 --> 01:16:54,318 That's a perfect segue here. 1680 01:16:54,318 --> 01:16:58,398 Before we wrap up, what I wanted to say was when you talk about players who can 1681 01:16:58,398 --> 01:17:04,668 play out, I played in college and so I was a decent ball player, but I'll never 1682 01:17:04,668 --> 01:17:05,998 forget. 1683 01:17:06,578 --> 01:17:12,998 So when my son was, we got away from T -ball and we went to the machine pitch. 1684 01:17:12,998 --> 01:17:16,618 I think we started that at age seven, I think, when they stopped hitting on the 1685 01:17:16,618 --> 01:17:17,338 tee. 1686 01:17:17,338 --> 01:17:18,938 It was either seven or eight. 1687 01:17:18,938 --> 01:17:19,969 And so... 1688 01:17:19,969 --> 01:17:24,169 I said I would help coach a team with this other guy who would help coach a team. 1689 01:17:24,169 --> 01:17:26,069 He came up to me and he said, look, here's the deal. 1690 01:17:26,069 --> 01:17:29,459 I'll deal with the parents, I'll deal with the paperwork, I'll practice times, the 1691 01:17:29,459 --> 01:17:30,769 field, all that stuff. 1692 01:17:30,769 --> 01:17:32,249 He was like, I got all that. 1693 01:17:32,249 --> 01:17:34,029 You just need to teach him how to play baseball. 1694 01:17:34,029 --> 01:17:35,029 I'm like, done. 1695 01:17:35,029 --> 01:17:36,429 That's the easiest thing in the world. 1696 01:17:36,429 --> 01:17:38,069 Okay, this is easy, right? 1697 01:17:38,069 --> 01:17:39,929 I'll never forget this. 1698 01:17:40,069 --> 01:17:46,339 First practice, we're there and we're in a cage and he's feeding the machine and the 1699 01:17:46,339 --> 01:17:49,152 kids are in there trying to hit the ball and they're swinging and they're missing. 1700 01:17:49,152 --> 01:17:52,892 And I'm like, okay, and I'm getting ready to teach this kid how to hit the ball. 1701 01:17:52,892 --> 01:17:56,052 I have no idea how to teach a kid how to hit the ball. 1702 01:17:56,052 --> 01:17:56,672 None. 1703 01:17:56,672 --> 01:18:00,272 Like I literally that night I'm like, oh my goodness. 1704 01:18:00,272 --> 01:18:04,482 And so like up until that point, I just gave my son the bat and said, here, hit it 1705 01:18:04,482 --> 01:18:05,712 on the tee and just hit it. 1706 01:18:05,712 --> 01:18:10,052 But then when it came to actually hitting a baseball, I had zero clue how to tell a 1707 01:18:10,052 --> 01:18:10,792 kid how to hit a baseball. 1708 01:18:10,792 --> 01:18:12,552 I'm like, how did you do it, Bobby? 1709 01:18:12,552 --> 01:18:14,732 I'm like, I just, I just did it. 1710 01:18:14,732 --> 01:18:15,360 You know? 1711 01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:18,500 And so I literally got on YouTube that night, I'm like, how to teach a kid, and 1712 01:18:18,500 --> 01:18:21,120 they're like, line up your door, knock your knuckles, do all these little things. 1713 01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:22,020 And I'm like, OK. 1714 01:18:22,020 --> 01:18:25,180 And like, I'm like, I'm trying to learn how to teach an eight year old how to 1715 01:18:25,180 --> 01:18:28,450 swing a bat, because I thought just because I'm playing college, everyone 1716 01:18:28,450 --> 01:18:29,900 thinks, oh, he can teach you about it. 1717 01:18:29,900 --> 01:18:31,460 He can teach an eight year old. 1718 01:18:31,460 --> 01:18:32,200 No, you can't. 1719 01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:34,160 But two different things. 1720 01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:36,420 Look, hey, hey, man, thanks so much. 1721 01:18:36,420 --> 01:18:37,970 We're going to definitely have to do this again. 1722 01:18:37,970 --> 01:18:42,431 I've got so many different rule questions and stuff that I want to ask you. 1723 01:18:42,431 --> 01:18:46,181 And maybe next time we can talk about all the myths. 1724 01:18:46,181 --> 01:18:49,391 I want to do a segment on that, you know, all the different myths, like, you know, 1725 01:18:49,391 --> 01:18:51,751 my favorite one, the hands are part of that one. 1726 01:18:51,811 --> 01:18:53,471 And then all these different things. 1727 01:18:53,471 --> 01:18:57,411 I mean, we literally could go on for hours and hours and hours. 1728 01:18:57,411 --> 01:19:01,751 But, you know, thanks for the time you spent with me tonight. 1729 01:19:02,771 --> 01:19:04,628 Yeah, it's been great. 1730 01:19:04,628 --> 01:19:05,468 will say one thing. 1731 01:19:05,468 --> 01:19:07,718 I want to plug my dad's organization if I can. 1732 01:19:07,718 --> 01:19:09,318 He runs a great nonprofit. 1733 01:19:09,318 --> 01:19:10,278 It's a great nonprofit. 1734 01:19:10,278 --> 01:19:12,418 It's called Baseball Without Borders Foundation. 1735 01:19:12,418 --> 01:19:14,928 He sends new and used equipment all over the world. 1736 01:19:14,928 --> 01:19:16,758 Kids in need everywhere. 1737 01:19:17,198 --> 01:19:22,018 I think every continent so far, except for Antarctica to like 40 something different 1738 01:19:22,018 --> 01:19:24,678 countries, doesn't take a dime. 1739 01:19:24,678 --> 01:19:26,378 Doesn't get paid a penny. 1740 01:19:26,378 --> 01:19:28,798 Has never taken a dime. 1741 01:19:28,798 --> 01:19:31,458 Does it out of, you know, just the goodness of his heart. 1742 01:19:31,458 --> 01:19:34,208 gets requests from all over the world saying, hey, do you have any baseballs? 1743 01:19:34,208 --> 01:19:35,418 Do you have any youth pants? 1744 01:19:35,418 --> 01:19:36,718 Especially for the younger guys. 1745 01:19:36,718 --> 01:19:38,038 Like he loves that. 1746 01:19:38,038 --> 01:19:41,518 All he asks for is just send me pictures of the kids with the gear. 1747 01:19:41,678 --> 01:19:45,438 So, Baseball Without Borders Foundation, BWB Foundation on Facebook, check them 1748 01:19:45,438 --> 01:19:45,854 out. 1749 01:19:45,854 --> 01:19:48,754 Can you, can you, first off, that is awesome. 1750 01:19:48,754 --> 01:19:51,674 That's a very noble thing that your father's doing. 1751 01:19:51,974 --> 01:19:52,484 Outstanding. 1752 01:19:52,484 --> 01:19:54,724 Can you repeat all that information one more time? 1753 01:19:54,724 --> 01:19:57,340 The name and how they could get a hold of him and all that stuff? 1754 01:19:57,510 --> 01:19:58,750 He's also Juan Bustos. 1755 01:19:58,750 --> 01:20:00,330 I'm a junior. 1756 01:20:00,590 --> 01:20:03,070 Go to facebook .com obviously. 1757 01:20:03,070 --> 01:20:05,890 He's at BWB Foundation. 1758 01:20:06,130 --> 01:20:08,190 That's probably the best way to get in touch with him. 1759 01:20:08,190 --> 01:20:10,090 You can DM him. 1760 01:20:10,090 --> 01:20:12,450 He'll take DM, takes requests. 1761 01:20:12,450 --> 01:20:13,750 We used to get all the time. 1762 01:20:13,750 --> 01:20:17,580 It's like, Hey Juan, because again, he lived right across the street from that 1763 01:20:17,580 --> 01:20:17,790 park. 1764 01:20:17,790 --> 01:20:19,710 Everybody in town knew where he lived. 1765 01:20:19,710 --> 01:20:23,106 He goes, Hey, we're cleaning out our stuff and I've got a bunch of gear for your dad. 1766 01:20:23,106 --> 01:20:27,266 You got to see the front lawn littered with gear and he would sit there, pack it 1767 01:20:27,266 --> 01:20:28,586 up, sending out. 1768 01:20:28,586 --> 01:20:29,676 I'll go over visit. 1769 01:20:29,676 --> 01:20:30,296 He goes that one. 1770 01:20:30,296 --> 01:20:33,546 That one's going to, um, that one's going to Africa. 1771 01:20:33,546 --> 01:20:34,956 That one's going to the Philippines. 1772 01:20:34,956 --> 01:20:36,386 That one's going to Pakistan. 1773 01:20:36,386 --> 01:20:37,626 That one's going to India. 1774 01:20:37,626 --> 01:20:39,526 It just, he's got it all over the place. 1775 01:20:39,526 --> 01:20:41,646 So he, it's great. 1776 01:20:41,646 --> 01:20:46,246 Um, baseball without borders foundation foundation. 1777 01:20:46,246 --> 01:20:49,076 There's another baseball without borders, but he's baseball without borders 1778 01:20:49,076 --> 01:20:52,682 foundation, BWB foundation on Facebook. 1779 01:20:52,701 --> 01:20:53,461 Awesome. 1780 01:20:53,461 --> 01:20:58,321 Juan, thanks for coming on and we're gonna go ahead and wrap up now, but fantastic 1781 01:20:58,321 --> 01:21:03,610 stuff, good stuff, and as always for everyone out there listening, let's go!