Colin (00:00:00):
That's a funny name.

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Yes, I love it.

Colin (00:00:16):
Welcome to Sober Banter.

Colin (00:00:18):
I'm Colin.

Rachel (00:00:19):
And I am Rachel.

Colin (00:00:20):
And this is Sober Banter.

Colin (00:00:22):
All right.

Rachel (00:00:23):
All right.

Rachel (00:00:23):
Welcome to Sober Banter.

Colin (00:00:25):
I thought you had a lead in.

Rachel (00:00:27):
A podcast for alcoholics by alcoholics.

Colin (00:00:30):
Yes.

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And we do as much prep as we did drinking, which is fast and loose.

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I just kind of had my thing that I was about to just jump right into.

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So I don't know if you have anything you want to start or add.

Rachel (00:00:43):
Yeah.

Rachel (00:00:43):
So the first thing that I do want to add is off of my personal experience,

Rachel (00:00:49):
which this whole podcast is off of what it used to be,

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what kind of happened and what life is now and how it's the ups and downs of

Rachel (00:00:56):
sobriety.

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But the year I got sober in 2021,

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one of the things that had happened before I ended up getting sober on November

Rachel (00:01:04):
22nd.

Colin (00:01:04):
22nd.

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Nailed it.

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I tried so hard to be sober that October.

Colin (00:01:10):
Are you talking sober October?

Rachel (00:01:12):
Yes.

Rachel (00:01:13):
Sober October.

Rachel (00:01:14):
It's trending.

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And I just remember beating myself because I had made it,

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I think it was halfway through the month.

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And I'd went to a friend's restaurant.

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I tried.

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I held on till the very end of the night.

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And usually I would drink during the shift of even helping out there at a restaurant.

Rachel (00:01:29):
That's just the restaurant style.

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But I didn't make it.

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And of

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Of course,

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that night ended horribly because when you have a break of trying to do Sober

Rachel (00:01:37):
October and you have that mishap,

Rachel (00:01:40):
it's already slipped.

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So let's just go ahead and blow it up.

Colin (00:01:43):
Yeah.

Colin (00:01:43):
What's the point in keep going with the month if I already have one strike?

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And it's weird that I don't know how the mentality works with that with alcohol.

Rachel (00:01:51):
It's not, oh, well, you know, I was trying for Sober October.

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I had one.

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I'll just have one.

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It's no.

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If I'm going to break it, I'm going to have 50.

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You're going to shatter it.

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I'm going to make it worth it, essentially.

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I don't understand why that is.

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But that's how it was.

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Fuck it.

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I already messed it up.

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So let's just rip the bandaid full force.

Rachel (00:02:09):
And there's no reason to do that.

Colin (00:02:11):
No,

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and I don't want to start an argument,

Colin (00:02:14):
but I don't know if you even made it halfway through the month.

Colin (00:02:17):
I feel it was the first weekend in October,

Colin (00:02:19):
but I could be wrong because there was also dry January and other things that we

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tried.

Rachel (00:02:24):
Now, dry January never did.

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The only one successfully we made it through the entire month was the whole 30.

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And I can tell you that on morning of day 31, I think we had mimosas in the morning.

Rachel (00:02:36):
Out of the whole 30,

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we're restricting all of your diet to all of these grains and whole foods and

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greens.

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And I mean, we actually we were feeling great.

Colin (00:02:43):
I really doing that.

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And I did feel great.

Rachel (00:02:45):
I remember the first thing we did was during the summer is I was so excited for a drink.

Rachel (00:02:51):
I didn't care about the food, didn't care about anything else.

Rachel (00:02:54):
I was just I want alcohol back in my life.

Colin (00:02:56):
We also,

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and I don't know if this pertains to anything,

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but we tried to do the Whole30 diet a second and a third time and we could never do

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it because we would end up failing in drinking and then just saying,

Colin (00:03:11):
ah,

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I don't want to eat healthy.

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I've already started drinking.

Colin (00:03:14):
So what's the point in continuing this Whole30 bit if I'm already drinking?

Colin (00:03:18):
And we just stopped the whole process.

Colin (00:03:20):
Yeah.

Rachel (00:03:21):
Why I thought about this a lot.

Rachel (00:03:23):
And it's nice that doing this podcast of the sober banter with my husband,

Rachel (00:03:27):
we talk about our sobriety,

Rachel (00:03:28):
we do these different check ins or share something that had happened during the

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day.

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I just know how much pressure I felt.

Rachel (00:03:36):
During Sober October, I remember what it felt not making it when I was talking to Colin.

Rachel (00:03:41):
I said, with sobriety, we do a daily check-in, right?

Rachel (00:03:43):
It's every single day.

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We drink every single day.

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And when we first got sober, you had time to go get a drink.

Rachel (00:03:50):
You have time to check in with your recovery.

Rachel (00:03:52):
And thinking about how people listen to podcasts...

Rachel (00:03:55):
Driving a car,

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working out,

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maybe during a kind of warming up to meditation routine,

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whatever it is,

Rachel (00:04:00):
or maybe before you go to bed at night.

Rachel (00:04:02):
But for the month of Sober October, we are going to put out one show every day.

Rachel (00:04:07):
It will not be very long.

Colin (00:04:08):
Yeah, some of these might vary in length, but... It's going to be 10 to 15 minutes.

Rachel (00:04:13):
We don't want to overdo it,

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but we do want to have a place where you feel you can go and listen to a Sober

Rachel (00:04:20):
October check-in.

Colin (00:04:21):
And I feel that's also a good thing for us because that's going to be our challenge

Colin (00:04:25):
is to do this with you by putting out a podcast every single day,

Colin (00:04:30):
checking in on everyone's progress.

Rachel (00:04:32):
And we already do that.

Rachel (00:04:34):
We already have a sober check-in.

Rachel (00:04:35):
So now it is putting a microphone in front of us.

Rachel (00:04:37):
The challenge would be if I do a camera, but this is how our daily lives go in October.

Rachel (00:04:42):
It's the talk of Halloween parties.

Rachel (00:04:44):
It's the getting our son Halloween costumes.

Rachel (00:04:47):
It's

Colin (00:04:47):
You also have Oktoberfest.

Colin (00:04:49):
And I just thought about that the very first time.

Colin (00:04:51):
This is third sober October since being sober for reals now.

Colin (00:04:56):
But yeah, I just realized, oh, Oktoberfest is a thing.

Colin (00:04:59):
And it's a big drinking month and holiday because I think it's a German thing, right?

Colin (00:05:03):
Oktoberfest?

Colin (00:05:04):
Isn't that where... And I think that's where the movie...

Colin (00:05:08):
Super Troopers.

Colin (00:05:08):
Yeah, those guys.

Rachel (00:05:09):
I've already seen it all around Facebook.

Rachel (00:05:11):
And I just want to say this is a place of support where for me,

Rachel (00:05:16):
I thought I was a complete failure that I couldn't stay sober and I was hopeless.

Rachel (00:05:21):
But looking in hindsight,

Rachel (00:05:23):
it was actually probably one of the parts of my sobriety that kind of got me a

Rachel (00:05:27):
little bit closer to realizing maybe I do have a problem with alcohol.

Rachel (00:05:31):
Yeah.

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It wasn't the final one,

Rachel (00:05:33):
but it was one that it's planting that seed of maybe I'm doing Sober October just

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to see what my relationship with alcohol is.

Rachel (00:05:40):
It doesn't have to be a pass or fail.

Colin (00:05:42):
And if you slip, what should you do?

Rachel (00:05:44):
I would take it as a time to just evaluate.

Rachel (00:05:47):
I wish I had someone or something to listen to.

Rachel (00:05:50):
Everything I see online, it seems so all in, all out.

Colin (00:05:53):
Yeah, but what I'm saying is don't quit if you slip.

Rachel (00:05:56):
That's still 29 or 30 days after.

Colin (00:05:59):
Put together.

Rachel (00:05:59):
Put together.

Rachel (00:06:00):
It's awesome if you can get it in a row.

Rachel (00:06:02):
That's the goal.

Rachel (00:06:03):
If you slip, that doesn't mean you have to burn down the restaurant.

Rachel (00:06:07):
You can, it's okay.

Rachel (00:06:08):
We can slip and we can put a bandaid on it and we can get back up and we can just

Rachel (00:06:13):
tell someone about it and acknowledge how you feel.

Colin (00:06:15):
Yeah, I agree.

Rachel (00:06:16):
So I said,

Rachel (00:06:17):
I look at the 90 days before I got sober and it was really just,

Rachel (00:06:21):
there were just seeds planted.

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And Sober October was one of my seeds.

Rachel (00:06:26):
Yeah.

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And it really just crushed me, which maybe I needed.

Rachel (00:06:29):
But again, you don't have to get in that headspace of all in or all out.

Rachel (00:06:33):
And I know that's what's all over social media.

Rachel (00:06:36):
So our Sober October is going to be a check-in.

Rachel (00:06:39):
So whether that is that you are in a row, you had a slip, whatever.

Rachel (00:06:43):
We're just going to say, hey, let's just check in for today.

Rachel (00:06:46):
It doesn't matter what happened yesterday.

Rachel (00:06:47):
It doesn't matter about tomorrow.

Rachel (00:06:49):
We're going to just do a daily check-in for Sober October.

Colin (00:06:52):
That's right.

Rachel (00:06:53):
Okay.

Rachel (00:06:53):
What else do you have to add?

Colin (00:06:54):
I was also thinking about this.

Colin (00:06:56):
Would you say, should you start on October 1st?

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Or would you say, if you can, start now?

Colin (00:07:02):
When should you start?

Rachel (00:07:03):
It's really up to the person.

Rachel (00:07:05):
It depends on where you're at.

Rachel (00:07:07):
I think some people have the mentality, it's a new month, new week, new start.

Colin (00:07:12):
No, and I think that's a great...

Rachel (00:07:13):
And you can and some others can be a start now,

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but then you can also go you start now and then there's not a boundary.

Rachel (00:07:20):
And sometimes the boundary can be helpful.

Rachel (00:07:23):
I would say start if you're thinking about it.

Rachel (00:07:25):
Yeah, start now.

Colin (00:07:26):
Go for it.

Rachel (00:07:26):
100%.

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And if that's what your gut is saying,

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but as a psychology major,

Rachel (00:07:30):
I know that there are mental ups and downs.

Rachel (00:07:33):
It's the same with starting the gym at the beginning of the year,

Rachel (00:07:36):
starting to save at the beginning of the month.

Colin (00:07:37):
That was the other thing I was going to bring up, too.

Colin (00:07:40):
And I couldn't find it.

Colin (00:07:41):
But I know there was some quote by Kobe Bryant.

Colin (00:07:45):
He said something and it was along the lines of don't start tomorrow, start today.

Colin (00:07:50):
And I know a lot of people, not just addicts, but a lot of people find themselves stuck in this.

Colin (00:07:56):
Well, it's Saturday.

Colin (00:07:57):
I'm going to start Monday.

Rachel (00:07:58):
And then Monday comes in.

Colin (00:08:00):
Then they don't do it.

Colin (00:08:01):
Then it becomes I'll start tomorrow.

Colin (00:08:03):
Everything is starting tomorrow.

Rachel (00:08:04):
pressure it's the build up that's what i used to do when i was trying to quit

Rachel (00:08:09):
drinking and it was starting tomorrow it made me so anxious and then the anxiety

Rachel (00:08:14):
made me want to drink then it's this whole again it's the wash cycle that you never

Colin (00:08:19):
get out of or because you're starting tomorrow you're going to go all out tonight

Colin (00:08:23):
and then what happens tomorrow you feel awful awful so what's the only way to get

Colin (00:08:29):
better when you feel awful

Rachel (00:08:30):
It's to restart the cycle, rewash.

Rachel (00:08:32):
It's when you forget the laundry's in there overnight and you're like,

Rachel (00:08:35):
oh,

Rachel (00:08:35):
well,

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I just got to rewash it and restart the cycle.

Colin (00:08:38):
So that's why that quote or that saying,

Colin (00:08:40):
and I wish I could find it,

Colin (00:08:41):
but it's there are some things that I don't want to do,

Colin (00:08:44):
whether it's finish the doing the dishes at night because I do waking up and not

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having to worry about it or some cleaning or project where you just think,

Colin (00:08:53):
well,

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I'll just I'll just do it tomorrow.

Colin (00:08:55):
But if I just do it now, then it's already done and out of the way.

Colin (00:08:58):
And I feel that's a small stepping stone where you're going in the right direction.

Rachel (00:09:02):
If you want to share, if you are participating in Sober October, what you're feeling.

Rachel (00:09:07):
Are you nervous?

Rachel (00:09:08):
Are you excited?

Rachel (00:09:09):
Are you happy?

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Are you doing it with someone?

Rachel (00:09:11):
Because another thing that can help in sobriety is accountability.

Rachel (00:09:15):
A buddy that you can text that you're doing Sober October with.

Rachel (00:09:19):
So when you are craving a drink or you are...

Rachel (00:09:22):
in the moment where everyone's talking about getting drinks after work and you're

Rachel (00:09:25):
doing Sober October.

Rachel (00:09:27):
Also, first, remember there are non-alcoholic drinks out there.

Rachel (00:09:30):
I know I forgot that when I was drinking because I couldn't fathom why wasting

Rachel (00:09:34):
getting a non-alcoholic drink when they have alcohol.

Rachel (00:09:36):
But the other thing is you don't

Rachel (00:09:37):
have to tell anyone you're not drinking.

Rachel (00:09:39):
You don't have to tell anyone you're doing Sober October.

Rachel (00:09:41):
It can help to have someone.

Rachel (00:09:43):
And if you don't have someone, throw some comments down.

Rachel (00:09:46):
I'll reply to you.

Rachel (00:09:47):
If you comment and say,

Rachel (00:09:48):
hey,

Rachel (00:09:48):
I'm doing the Sober October and I'm having a little bit of a hard day,

Rachel (00:09:52):
I will comment and I will reply on the podcast post,

Rachel (00:09:55):
whatever the

Colin (00:09:56):
If you've done Sober October before, let us know how you did it, your thoughts on it.

Colin (00:10:01):
You're doing it again.

Rachel (00:10:02):
Because people that are not alcoholic,

Rachel (00:10:04):
there are some people that just do Sober October as a reset.

Colin (00:10:07):
And dry January.

Rachel (00:10:08):
Yeah.

Colin (00:10:09):
I know a lot of people that just do it just because they reset for the... They don't dread it.

Colin (00:10:14):
They actually a little bit... They're not heavy drinkers either.

Rachel (00:10:17):
That's the normal drinker.

Rachel (00:10:19):
When you tell a normal drinker that they don't that there's it's a dry wedding.

Rachel (00:10:23):
They don't talk shit what we used to.

Rachel (00:10:25):
Well, what's the point of having a wedding if it's not an open bar?

Rachel (00:10:28):
You know, fuck that wedding.

Rachel (00:10:29):
I don't want to go to that wedding.

Rachel (00:10:30):
And it's not about the people getting married or anything or the wedding itself.

Rachel (00:10:33):
It was a non-alcoholic wedding.

Rachel (00:10:35):
Boring.

Colin (00:10:36):
yeah and i also remember there was one time randomly i took it upon myself to just

Colin (00:10:41):
not drink for the month of april do you remember that it was it was when we started

Colin (00:10:45):
both of us oh you did and i was also i think i gave you not i think not you did and

Colin (00:10:50):
i wasn't sober from everything i just wasn't drinking that month but i remember

Colin (00:10:55):
telling a co-worker yeah i think i'm not gonna drink this month and they're just

Rachel (00:10:59):
okay cool yeah some people don't care they don't think about how

Colin (00:11:02):
And I was, you don't know how big of it.

Colin (00:11:04):
And I was, no, that's kind of a big deal for me.

Colin (00:11:07):
Not that I have a problem, but it's a big deal if I go a month.

Colin (00:11:10):
You know,

Colin (00:11:11):
looking back,

Colin (00:11:11):
as I said that,

Colin (00:11:12):
I was trying to cover my tracks as the person was,

Colin (00:11:15):
okay,

Colin (00:11:15):
you're not drinking for a month.

Colin (00:11:16):
What's the big deal?

Rachel (00:11:17):
Yeah.

Rachel (00:11:17):
To some people, they don't.

Rachel (00:11:19):
Yeah.

Rachel (00:11:19):
There's all different kinds, all different kinds of drinkers in this world.

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And some, there's binge drinkers.

Rachel (00:11:25):
There's functional alcoholic drinkers.

Rachel (00:11:28):
There are all day drinkers.

Colin (00:11:30):
Daily drinkers, yeah.

Colin (00:11:31):
Yeah.

Rachel (00:11:31):
Yeah, I don't need to go down that list.

Rachel (00:11:32):
But the point is,

Rachel (00:11:33):
this podcast is built on personal experience about things that Colin and I have

Rachel (00:11:38):
gone through.

Rachel (00:11:39):
Sober October is one that hits home for me.

Rachel (00:11:41):
So maybe during April,

Rachel (00:11:43):
Colin can do something that hits home for him because I don't think this sober

Rachel (00:11:46):
October hit him the same as it did me.

Colin (00:11:49):
No, my goal was just, and you've heard me say this before, was to outlast you.

Colin (00:11:54):
Because when you suggested,

Colin (00:11:56):
let's do Sober October,

Colin (00:11:57):
I didn't really want to,

Colin (00:11:59):
but I also knew we wouldn't be doing Sober October.

Colin (00:12:02):
All I had to do was outlast you.

Colin (00:12:04):
And then I'd be, oh, you're twisting my arm.

Colin (00:12:06):
You bought a bottle of Jameson.

Colin (00:12:08):
Okay, I guess I'll drink it.

Rachel (00:12:09):
Yeah.

Rachel (00:12:09):
And because I didn't last,

Rachel (00:12:10):
but we ended up getting sober a month and change later and it did stick.

Rachel (00:12:15):
So again,

Rachel (00:12:16):
my goal of the October daily content is to have a quick check-in,

Rachel (00:12:21):
a quick laugh,

Rachel (00:12:23):
maybe some shout outs if people want to share their experience.

Rachel (00:12:26):
So that way we can have other outputs other than just ours.

Rachel (00:12:29):
Because as time goes on, while I can literally remember so vividly the first shot I took

Rachel (00:12:36):
when I was in Sober October.

Rachel (00:12:38):
I can't explain the fight in my head versus how easy, how hard, how defeated, how excited.

Rachel (00:12:44):
There was all these emotions and I can literally picture it right now.

Rachel (00:12:48):
And it was the biggest war in my head of just wanting to drink, but wanting to not drink.

Rachel (00:12:54):
And I wish there wasn't, that's the only thing I don't about Sober October, the pressure.

Rachel (00:12:57):
I hate the pressure, especially with social media.

Rachel (00:13:00):
Because then you post on social media,

Rachel (00:13:03):
you have a slip and now you feel you don't have a safe place.

Colin (00:13:05):
Yeah, I wouldn't know because I didn't.

Colin (00:13:07):
I mean, it was just one of those things where it's okay.

Colin (00:13:09):
Yeah, I'll be sober October.

Colin (00:13:10):
I wasn't posting.

Rachel (00:13:12):
I think with people saying they're alcoholic or sober in AA,

Rachel (00:13:15):
a lot of people will say they don't want to post on social media because what if

Rachel (00:13:19):
they end up drinking again?

Rachel (00:13:20):
And then, you know, someone brings it back up.

Rachel (00:13:22):
It's not their business.

Rachel (00:13:24):
It's okay to not want to drink for a little bit.

Rachel (00:13:26):
And it's okay.

Rachel (00:13:27):
Everyone has their own way of finding what they want to do.

Colin (00:13:31):
Journey.

Colin (00:13:32):
Is that what you're wanting to say?

Rachel (00:13:33):
Don't go back for seconds.

Rachel (00:13:52):
Don't go.

Rachel (00:13:52):
Yeah, we could.

Rachel (00:13:53):
Oh, no.

Colin (00:13:54):
I'm going to drink out of a bigger glass instead of a bunch of shot glasses.

Rachel (00:13:58):
No hard liquor, no wine, whatever.

Rachel (00:14:01):
And none of I just I can remember none of them worked there.

Rachel (00:14:05):
I've checked every single one off the list.

Rachel (00:14:07):
So let's make Sober October something fun.

Rachel (00:14:10):
And it can just be a we're going to sober October banter.

Colin (00:14:14):
Let's banter.

Rachel (00:14:15):
Let's banter for Sober October.

Rachel (00:14:17):
And we'll make it a positive, a fun reinforces that I made the right decision to get sober.

Colin (00:14:22):
Yes, I would agree.

Rachel (00:14:24):
Because a sick mind can't heal a sick mind.

Rachel (00:14:28):
So I was in a alcoholism mindset.

Rachel (00:14:31):
I can rationalize out of it.

Rachel (00:14:33):
But when you have a sober,

Rachel (00:14:35):
clear headed mind,

Rachel (00:14:36):
and you go see what that alcoholic mind was trying to convince you or rationalize

Rachel (00:14:41):
was okay,

Rachel (00:14:41):
you look back and laugh because you remember what your drunken mind was trying to

Rachel (00:14:45):
tell you was okay how this is normal.

Rachel (00:14:47):
This is what everyone does.

Rachel (00:14:49):
I'm just it was a hard day.

Rachel (00:14:50):
It was a long weekend.

Rachel (00:14:51):
Like,

Colin (00:14:51):
Whoa, it was a great day.

Rachel (00:14:52):
It was a great day, yeah.

Rachel (00:14:53):
And you come back with this clear mind after you've had some time away from

Rachel (00:14:57):
alcohol,

Rachel (00:14:58):
and you look back and you're like,

Rachel (00:14:59):
my God.

Rachel (00:15:01):
The rationalizations I threw on myself at that time,

Rachel (00:15:04):
and you see it now,

Rachel (00:15:05):
and it's just,

Rachel (00:15:06):
Colin and I find it funny.

Colin (00:15:07):
It's also the terminology that's used in every, it's 5 o'clock somewhere.

Rachel (00:15:12):
5 a.m.

Rachel (00:15:12):
somewhere, 5 p.m.

Rachel (00:15:13):
somewhere.

Colin (00:15:14):
Yeah.

Colin (00:15:15):
You can always find a reason to drink,

Colin (00:15:17):
and I think that's just this,

Colin (00:15:19):
whether it's through advertising maybe,

Colin (00:15:21):
It's just these sayings people have used forever and ever that just stick because

Colin (00:15:26):
they're fun to say when it's happy hour somewhere,

Colin (00:15:29):
those type of things.

Colin (00:15:30):
And as a culture, we've just gotten just been engraved in us.

Colin (00:15:34):
I feel like it's almost similar to cigarettes.

Colin (00:15:36):
Back in the 40s,

Colin (00:15:38):
50s,

Colin (00:15:38):
and 60s,

Colin (00:15:39):
it was just commonplace and everywhere until you fast forward through all the

Colin (00:15:44):
cancer and lawsuits.

Colin (00:15:46):
You can only find advertisements for cigarettes in one thing,

Colin (00:15:50):
and those are printed advertisements,

Colin (00:15:52):
and you can't even show them smoking.

Colin (00:15:54):
I don't know if we'll never get to that extreme with alcohol,

Colin (00:15:57):
but I feel it's starting to get close because even in commercials,

Colin (00:16:00):
you can't show people actually drinking.

Colin (00:16:02):
They just have them in their hands and things like that.

Rachel (00:16:05):
I did not know that.

Rachel (00:16:06):
But all right, we're going to go ahead and wrap this up.

Rachel (00:16:08):
Stay tuned.

Rachel (00:16:09):
We will have more updates to come during the week.

Rachel (00:16:12):
But until then, let us know what you think.

Colin (00:16:14):
And we're here for you.

Rachel (00:16:15):
We're here for you.

Rachel (00:16:17):
This is going to be the edition of Sober October Banter, hosted by Colin and Rachel.

Colin (00:16:24):
That's us.

Rachel (00:16:24):
That's us.

Rachel (00:16:25):
Okay.

Rachel (00:16:26):
Thank you for listening.

Rachel (00:16:27):
And we will... This is the Lord of the Rings ending.

Colin (00:16:30):
We could have wrapped it up a lot.

Colin (00:16:32):
Come on.

Colin (00:16:33):
Just say bye.

Colin (00:16:33):
Okay.