WEBVTT 00:00:03.939 --> 00:00:07.634 You are listening to the USDN on the 00:00:07.714 --> 00:00:09.039 DFPN. 00:00:40.606 --> 00:00:41.368 Thanks for watching! 00:01:11.769 --> 00:01:13.631 what is up everybody it's the chairman of 00:01:13.650 --> 00:01:15.091 the united states department of nerds 00:01:15.111 --> 00:01:17.132 where we are for the people by the 00:01:17.173 --> 00:01:20.694 people and of the people today we're 00:01:20.734 --> 00:01:23.055 stepping into a world of dragons fallen 00:01:23.075 --> 00:01:26.778 gods and alien mythologies colliding with 00:01:26.878 --> 00:01:31.060 earth our guest is win i'm sorry whim 00:01:31.540 --> 00:01:34.542 burn a creator blending the legendary 00:01:34.602 --> 00:01:38.584 influence of akira toriyama and pokemon's 00:01:38.844 --> 00:01:39.144 kin 00:01:40.850 --> 00:01:41.590 Sugimori? 00:01:42.111 --> 00:01:42.792 Sugimori. 00:01:43.513 --> 00:01:44.153 I was close. 00:01:44.253 --> 00:01:45.233 I was very close there. 00:01:45.674 --> 00:01:48.275 Into an original sci-fi fantasy epic 00:01:48.314 --> 00:01:51.516 called... Sagia? 00:01:52.076 --> 00:01:52.736 Sagia. 00:01:53.037 --> 00:01:53.537 Sagia. 00:01:54.037 --> 00:01:54.918 Okay. 00:01:56.179 --> 00:01:58.299 This is a story about legacy, power, 00:01:58.340 --> 00:02:01.682 and what happens when gods fall and new 00:02:01.742 --> 00:02:03.343 heroes are forced to rise. 00:02:03.763 --> 00:02:05.885 The council is now in session. 00:02:06.305 --> 00:02:08.686 Wimburn, welcome to the USDN. 00:02:08.725 --> 00:02:08.765 Hi. 00:02:09.747 --> 00:02:10.247 Hi. 00:02:11.758 --> 00:02:13.979 So she's going to help me out a 00:02:14.080 --> 00:02:17.423 lot tonight in pronunciating a lot of 00:02:17.462 --> 00:02:21.325 different words because I have proven that 00:02:21.445 --> 00:02:23.807 I cannot pronounce anything today. 00:02:23.848 --> 00:02:26.069 So not only is she our guest, 00:02:26.870 --> 00:02:28.632 but she is also my translator for the 00:02:28.692 --> 00:02:28.951 night. 00:02:31.774 --> 00:02:33.074 So if you're ready to dive in, 00:02:33.115 --> 00:02:34.616 let's dive into this. 00:02:34.977 --> 00:02:37.538 So for those meeting you for the first 00:02:37.579 --> 00:02:40.221 time, who is Wim Byrne? 00:02:42.980 --> 00:02:45.143 Oh, I'm an artist. 00:02:45.943 --> 00:02:47.605 I also do voice acting. 00:02:48.145 --> 00:02:50.228 I'm not into like bigger projects. 00:02:50.328 --> 00:02:51.969 I just do voice acting for fun. 00:02:55.413 --> 00:02:57.915 I started joining social media around 00:02:57.975 --> 00:03:00.598 twenty nineteen and I mostly draw like 00:03:00.677 --> 00:03:04.282 Dragon Ball fan art, Pokemon and all that. 00:03:04.361 --> 00:03:07.324 And I started growing a lot of followers. 00:03:08.956 --> 00:03:12.341 And about my comic, Sagia, 00:03:12.521 --> 00:03:16.407 I started in a, during the pandemic. 00:03:16.567 --> 00:03:18.269 And I think that was the year I 00:03:18.329 --> 00:03:19.310 started college. 00:03:20.359 --> 00:03:22.340 And originally, 00:03:22.680 --> 00:03:25.762 Saga was going to be a video game. 00:03:26.521 --> 00:03:27.483 But at the time, 00:03:27.543 --> 00:03:30.183 I didn't know how to program. 00:03:30.243 --> 00:03:31.125 So instead, 00:03:31.205 --> 00:03:33.306 I just turned it into a comic book 00:03:33.346 --> 00:03:33.866 series. 00:03:33.985 --> 00:03:35.967 And Volume One, 00:03:36.147 --> 00:03:38.769 which you're seeing on screen right now, 00:03:40.610 --> 00:03:43.270 I didn't finish it until twenty twenty 00:03:43.330 --> 00:03:43.731 three. 00:03:44.572 --> 00:03:46.233 And I didn't release it to the public 00:03:46.332 --> 00:03:47.894 until twenty twenty four. 00:03:49.181 --> 00:03:51.682 okay so i've had the pleasure of reading 00:03:51.723 --> 00:03:54.585 the first one i thoroughly enjoyed it and 00:03:54.625 --> 00:03:57.366 you can definitely see the influences of 00:03:57.526 --> 00:04:00.968 akira in that work but you're also 00:04:01.049 --> 00:04:03.390 influenced by kin they're both 00:04:03.450 --> 00:04:06.252 inspirations to you kind of like why have 00:04:06.292 --> 00:04:08.894 you taken from those two brilliant people 00:04:08.973 --> 00:04:11.756 and kind of applied to your characters and 00:04:11.795 --> 00:04:12.776 what you are doing 00:04:13.945 --> 00:04:14.866 Great question. 00:04:16.028 --> 00:04:17.548 For Akira Toriyama, 00:04:17.848 --> 00:04:21.932 I'm mainly inspired by the original Dragon 00:04:21.951 --> 00:04:25.014 Ball series, if you've seen that one, 00:04:25.053 --> 00:04:26.235 where Goku was a kid. 00:04:27.576 --> 00:04:29.156 One of the main characters, 00:04:29.476 --> 00:04:30.918 let me pull up the front cover. 00:04:32.259 --> 00:04:33.120 This is Haido, 00:04:33.160 --> 00:04:34.701 and this is Jikiru right here, 00:04:35.922 --> 00:04:36.762 where my fingers are at. 00:04:36.781 --> 00:04:37.081 Mm-hmm. 00:04:39.223 --> 00:04:42.387 My main inspiration for these two is a 00:04:42.427 --> 00:04:45.512 character on Dragon Ball by the name of 00:04:45.872 --> 00:04:46.492 Lunch. 00:04:48.355 --> 00:04:49.877 They call her Lunch in Japan. 00:04:51.139 --> 00:04:53.141 For those who don't know who she is, 00:04:53.661 --> 00:04:55.163 she first appeared 00:04:56.345 --> 00:04:57.625 In the original Dragon Ball, 00:04:57.725 --> 00:04:59.007 the very first Dragon Ball, 00:04:59.346 --> 00:05:01.867 and she has this sneezing problem. 00:05:02.487 --> 00:05:03.749 So every time she sneezes, 00:05:03.788 --> 00:05:06.471 she'll switch between good to bad and then 00:05:06.550 --> 00:05:11.213 vice versa. 00:05:11.752 --> 00:05:12.954 Yeah, when I was... 00:05:13.014 --> 00:05:14.714 It's like a great little character thing. 00:05:15.362 --> 00:05:15.622 Yeah, 00:05:15.661 --> 00:05:17.803 my first introduction to that character 00:05:17.863 --> 00:05:22.728 was I was in high school and I 00:05:22.788 --> 00:05:25.129 checked out the very first Dragon Ball 00:05:25.149 --> 00:05:26.872 manga at my library. 00:05:27.351 --> 00:05:29.334 And I was introduced to her when I 00:05:29.613 --> 00:05:31.295 got to her chapter and I was like, 00:05:31.576 --> 00:05:32.096 I like her. 00:05:32.735 --> 00:05:33.536 I really like her. 00:05:33.596 --> 00:05:36.459 And I started watching clips of her on 00:05:36.519 --> 00:05:39.562 YouTube and I really liked her English dub 00:05:39.581 --> 00:05:40.023 voice. 00:05:40.762 --> 00:05:42.985 where she talked like this. 00:05:43.024 --> 00:05:46.708 She had like a Brooklyn accent for her 00:05:46.848 --> 00:05:48.709 evil side, her blonde-haired side. 00:05:51.372 --> 00:05:52.994 It's almost like she's congested, 00:05:53.014 --> 00:05:53.394 you know? 00:05:53.814 --> 00:05:55.456 She's got a little congestion in there. 00:05:55.675 --> 00:05:57.137 It's maybe why she's sneezing all the 00:05:57.177 --> 00:05:57.538 time. 00:05:58.211 --> 00:05:59.591 Yeah. 00:05:59.790 --> 00:06:00.872 And fun fact, 00:06:00.992 --> 00:06:03.812 I actually met her voice actress at a 00:06:03.851 --> 00:06:06.833 Dragon Ball convention in twenty twenty 00:06:06.872 --> 00:06:07.213 two. 00:06:08.012 --> 00:06:09.653 And that's my profile picture on 00:06:09.713 --> 00:06:10.293 Instagram. 00:06:10.574 --> 00:06:13.095 That's me and my favorite voice actor. 00:06:14.175 --> 00:06:14.735 That's really cool. 00:06:14.774 --> 00:06:16.334 Was it up at what's it called? 00:06:18.636 --> 00:06:20.415 I'm trying to think of that big convention 00:06:20.435 --> 00:06:21.716 they have up there every year. 00:06:22.216 --> 00:06:22.937 Kamea Con. 00:06:24.002 --> 00:06:25.322 There's that one and there's another one 00:06:25.343 --> 00:06:27.185 that's more comic book related, 00:06:27.444 --> 00:06:31.028 but I can't remember what it's called off 00:06:31.069 --> 00:06:31.689 the top of my head. 00:06:31.709 --> 00:06:32.971 It's something to do with 00:06:34.870 --> 00:06:37.550 architecture of the city but it's neither 00:06:37.571 --> 00:06:39.630 here nor there because i cannot remember 00:06:39.771 --> 00:06:42.812 anything today it has been the monday of 00:06:42.872 --> 00:06:44.711 mondays as we were talking before the show 00:06:44.752 --> 00:06:47.473 got started so how do you balance wearing 00:06:47.512 --> 00:06:51.112 both this creator hat and this world 00:06:51.132 --> 00:06:52.434 builder hat where you're kind of like 00:06:52.653 --> 00:06:54.973 everything you're the artist you're the 00:06:55.033 --> 00:06:57.894 writer you're the colorist you you are 00:06:57.954 --> 00:06:58.855 doing the whole 00:06:59.959 --> 00:07:00.740 thing yourself? 00:07:01.081 --> 00:07:02.341 How are you balancing all that? 00:07:02.382 --> 00:07:04.884 Plus just your normal, you gotta, 00:07:05.103 --> 00:07:05.824 you gotta be human. 00:07:05.884 --> 00:07:06.144 You know, 00:07:06.225 --> 00:07:07.925 you gotta have some time for yourself and 00:07:07.966 --> 00:07:08.927 do those things as well. 00:07:08.947 --> 00:07:10.648 How are you balancing all this things? 00:07:11.488 --> 00:07:13.750 Oh man, 00:07:13.769 --> 00:07:16.232 I don't know how to answer that question. 00:07:16.833 --> 00:07:18.454 I just, it's a difficult one. 00:07:18.634 --> 00:07:18.994 Yeah. 00:07:19.014 --> 00:07:20.836 I don't have like a job or anything. 00:07:21.175 --> 00:07:21.755 I just, 00:07:22.016 --> 00:07:23.557 I just do it in my free time. 00:07:24.437 --> 00:07:25.978 At the time when I was in college, 00:07:26.139 --> 00:07:26.680 I, 00:07:26.819 --> 00:07:29.122 I focused more on my college work first 00:07:29.461 --> 00:07:29.562 and, 00:07:29.682 --> 00:07:31.083 then I worked on the comic. 00:07:32.184 --> 00:07:33.343 About my comic, 00:07:33.685 --> 00:07:37.367 I drew it all digitally on my iPad. 00:07:37.887 --> 00:07:41.528 There's an app I use called Procreate, 00:07:41.689 --> 00:07:44.110 and that's why I used to work on 00:07:44.151 --> 00:07:46.172 the comic. 00:07:46.192 --> 00:07:47.552 Procreate is amazing. 00:07:47.572 --> 00:07:49.134 I have it on my iPad as well. 00:07:49.855 --> 00:07:51.375 I just hardly ever get to use it 00:07:51.435 --> 00:07:53.336 for anything other than 00:07:54.704 --> 00:07:56.526 fits in pictures of comic books that I 00:07:56.565 --> 00:07:59.247 sometimes post or that I was posting when 00:07:59.307 --> 00:08:01.189 I was doing that on the podcast. 00:08:01.290 --> 00:08:02.791 And that's how I would fit some of 00:08:02.851 --> 00:08:04.853 my blemishes on books. 00:08:04.954 --> 00:08:08.117 But I do love that program a lot. 00:08:08.137 --> 00:08:09.838 And I know a lot of really good 00:08:09.918 --> 00:08:12.261 and talented creators, yourself included, 00:08:12.641 --> 00:08:14.642 that use Procreate for their comics as 00:08:14.682 --> 00:08:14.903 well. 00:08:15.884 --> 00:08:17.745 Or they start it off by hand, 00:08:18.165 --> 00:08:19.706 then take the picture of it and load 00:08:19.745 --> 00:08:22.067 it into Procreate and finish them that 00:08:22.108 --> 00:08:22.367 way. 00:08:22.827 --> 00:08:26.810 So it's a very good program that's very 00:08:28.670 --> 00:08:31.452 useful for the comic book world. 00:08:32.453 --> 00:08:32.734 So... 00:08:35.144 --> 00:08:39.847 Give us your elevator pitch for Sagia in 00:08:39.888 --> 00:08:40.908 your own words. 00:08:41.068 --> 00:08:43.230 Sagia in your own words. 00:08:43.250 --> 00:08:43.831 I love it. 00:08:43.850 --> 00:08:46.253 Thank you for that because I'm so bad 00:08:46.273 --> 00:08:46.472 today. 00:08:46.533 --> 00:08:47.153 I don't know why. 00:08:48.455 --> 00:08:49.434 An elevator pitch. 00:08:49.595 --> 00:08:55.860 So I've never done an elevator pitch 00:08:55.879 --> 00:08:56.179 before. 00:08:56.200 --> 00:08:57.240 It's my first time. 00:08:57.561 --> 00:08:59.743 Just go out there what it is. 00:08:59.822 --> 00:09:00.182 Hmm. 00:09:03.672 --> 00:09:09.934 So Sagia is a comic about these aliens 00:09:10.015 --> 00:09:13.017 known as Sagians that live on the planet 00:09:13.076 --> 00:09:13.798 Saraju. 00:09:14.717 --> 00:09:18.919 And there are three guys that live there. 00:09:19.620 --> 00:09:22.101 Their names are Raiden, Flareden, 00:09:22.761 --> 00:09:23.643 and Liquidin. 00:09:25.500 --> 00:09:31.504 fire water and lightning and another evil 00:09:31.784 --> 00:09:34.506 alien race by the name of the dragons 00:09:34.927 --> 00:09:37.769 yeah the dragons they take over their 00:09:37.808 --> 00:09:42.111 planet and they kill they kill all they 00:09:42.131 --> 00:09:45.673 kill the three gods so the soggins are 00:09:45.693 --> 00:09:48.456 in panic the dragons are looking for these 00:09:49.076 --> 00:09:51.418 eight magical pieces known as the claw 00:09:51.477 --> 00:09:51.879 relics 00:09:52.778 --> 00:09:56.142 So the claw relics fly away, 00:09:56.302 --> 00:09:58.644 and the pieces move to Earth. 00:09:59.203 --> 00:10:00.806 All the Sogians move to Earth, 00:10:01.787 --> 00:10:03.087 and the Drakons follow. 00:10:03.847 --> 00:10:08.152 So on Earth, a human boy named Lane, 00:10:08.772 --> 00:10:10.994 he meets the Sogian, Hydo, 00:10:11.413 --> 00:10:14.116 when a Drakonoid breaks in Lane's room. 00:10:14.317 --> 00:10:16.698 And when Hydo defeats the Drakonoid... 00:10:18.279 --> 00:10:19.880 You know, they talk, they meet up, 00:10:20.360 --> 00:10:21.802 they later become partners. 00:10:22.522 --> 00:10:23.543 They become partners. 00:10:23.722 --> 00:10:26.803 And one thing I wanted to say is 00:10:28.565 --> 00:10:31.145 Haido has another half by the name of 00:10:31.206 --> 00:10:33.868 Jiggy Roo, which I showed on the cover. 00:10:34.148 --> 00:10:34.207 Yep. 00:10:35.331 --> 00:10:39.111 And whenever Haido is feeling calm, 00:10:39.912 --> 00:10:41.871 she switches to Jikiru. 00:10:42.011 --> 00:10:44.932 And when Jikiru is feeling angry, 00:10:45.793 --> 00:10:47.513 she changes into Haido. 00:10:48.033 --> 00:10:49.974 Although there are times in the story 00:10:50.033 --> 00:10:53.315 where Haido will take over Jikiru's body 00:10:54.195 --> 00:10:55.434 whenever she feels like it. 00:10:55.455 --> 00:10:57.676 Okay, that's really cool. 00:10:57.755 --> 00:10:58.316 I like that. 00:10:58.916 --> 00:11:01.056 I like these little nuances to characters 00:11:01.096 --> 00:11:01.596 like that. 00:11:02.296 --> 00:11:03.657 So Sarju. 00:11:04.437 --> 00:11:04.897 Sarju. 00:11:06.118 --> 00:11:10.081 sarju is a planet filled with sajians 00:11:10.541 --> 00:11:13.863 sagians sagians god bless america what 00:11:13.903 --> 00:11:15.903 makes this world different from other 00:11:16.024 --> 00:11:23.408 sci-fi fantasy settings um i told you i 00:11:23.428 --> 00:11:27.292 did my research before we ever went live 00:11:29.080 --> 00:11:29.721 Yeah, 00:11:30.682 --> 00:11:33.605 I don't have a response to that question. 00:11:33.806 --> 00:11:34.866 About that question, 00:11:34.886 --> 00:11:36.789 you asked me the first question about 00:11:37.331 --> 00:11:39.433 Akira Toriyama and Ken Sugimori. 00:11:40.014 --> 00:11:40.115 Yes. 00:11:40.134 --> 00:11:40.875 The influence. 00:11:40.936 --> 00:11:42.017 I want to finish that one. 00:11:42.357 --> 00:11:43.038 Yeah, no, go ahead. 00:11:43.578 --> 00:11:45.500 Yeah, I'm also inspired by, 00:11:46.181 --> 00:11:48.341 besides original Dragon Ball where Goku 00:11:48.361 --> 00:11:48.962 was a kid, 00:11:50.144 --> 00:11:52.004 there is like so many other eighties 00:11:52.105 --> 00:11:52.745 anime, 00:11:52.966 --> 00:11:55.206 nineties anime that I watched that 00:11:55.386 --> 00:11:57.349 influenced Saguya. 00:11:57.389 --> 00:12:00.571 For Ken Sugimori, Pokemon's Ken Sugimori, 00:12:01.250 --> 00:12:04.253 I love his watercolor artworks and his 00:12:05.293 --> 00:12:08.277 It inspired some of my artworks that I 00:12:08.437 --> 00:12:09.818 post on social media. 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:14.023 My art style is inspired by both Toriyama 00:12:14.724 --> 00:12:17.147 and Sugimori. 00:12:17.967 --> 00:12:19.469 Another thing I want to say is... 00:12:20.769 --> 00:12:21.991 In the first volume, 00:12:22.211 --> 00:12:23.673 the art style is rough. 00:12:24.374 --> 00:12:25.433 It's a little different. 00:12:26.615 --> 00:12:28.677 Starting around volume two, 00:12:28.697 --> 00:12:30.599 which I will show right now on the 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:33.500 screen, 00:12:33.642 --> 00:12:36.423 I started improving with the art style. 00:12:37.105 --> 00:12:39.245 And currently I'm working on volume three, 00:12:40.648 --> 00:12:43.129 which I say is an improvement. 00:12:44.399 --> 00:12:46.302 That's how everything works. 00:12:46.341 --> 00:12:48.023 We get better as we go at everything. 00:12:48.903 --> 00:12:50.125 I was not very good at this when 00:12:50.164 --> 00:12:50.706 I first started. 00:12:50.765 --> 00:12:53.868 I will tell you that right now. 00:12:55.990 --> 00:12:56.591 In the beginning, 00:12:56.990 --> 00:12:58.753 in chapter one of your book, 00:12:59.273 --> 00:13:04.677 the dragons wipe out the gods. 00:13:04.697 --> 00:13:06.600 That was a very bold move in the 00:13:06.659 --> 00:13:07.880 very first volume. 00:13:08.520 --> 00:13:10.743 What made you go straight out the gate 00:13:10.763 --> 00:13:11.384 just like, 00:13:12.878 --> 00:13:14.599 hammer down and like, 00:13:15.078 --> 00:13:16.379 we're going to do something big and we're 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:17.899 going to do something bold and something 00:13:17.940 --> 00:13:19.159 that sets this apart. 00:13:20.500 --> 00:13:20.720 Hmm. 00:13:20.880 --> 00:13:22.280 That is a good question. 00:13:22.701 --> 00:13:23.981 Like when I, 00:13:24.461 --> 00:13:26.381 at the time when I was writing Saga, 00:13:26.501 --> 00:13:27.982 I was like, you know what? 00:13:28.023 --> 00:13:29.423 I'm just going to make up something in 00:13:29.462 --> 00:13:29.883 my head. 00:13:29.942 --> 00:13:34.804 Like this evil race of aliens, 00:13:34.865 --> 00:13:36.686 wipe out these three gods. 00:13:36.966 --> 00:13:37.025 Um, 00:13:38.306 --> 00:13:40.866 i have i run this like sagia blog 00:13:40.966 --> 00:13:44.269 too besides the the website by myself and 00:13:44.428 --> 00:13:47.730 i think i remember having this back story 00:13:47.910 --> 00:13:52.873 or something i can't remember what i wrote 00:13:52.932 --> 00:13:56.855 okay yeah no i i like it i 00:13:56.894 --> 00:13:59.475 wish more comic books would just go like 00:13:59.576 --> 00:14:01.476 straight in issue one 00:14:02.639 --> 00:14:05.581 big plot and hammer down the whole time. 00:14:06.082 --> 00:14:06.644 So it's a, 00:14:06.803 --> 00:14:08.206 it's a very good way to do it. 00:14:08.926 --> 00:14:09.888 So let's talk about, 00:14:09.908 --> 00:14:11.389 I'm going to see if I can pronounce 00:14:11.448 --> 00:14:11.549 it. 00:14:13.471 --> 00:14:16.676 Drag bloom, drag one, drag one. 00:14:17.817 --> 00:14:21.280 What does this dragon represent to the 00:14:21.380 --> 00:14:21.861 story? 00:14:23.347 --> 00:14:28.273 so dragline um so those eight claw relic 00:14:28.293 --> 00:14:31.157 pieces um i i wrote like a backstory 00:14:31.197 --> 00:14:36.361 for dragline on um oh man i shouldn't 00:14:36.381 --> 00:14:37.624 have looked at the website i shouldn't 00:14:37.644 --> 00:14:39.505 have re-looked at the website before this 00:14:39.546 --> 00:14:42.908 podcast but um those eight claw relic 00:14:42.928 --> 00:14:45.412 pieces when they're together they're 00:14:45.532 --> 00:14:49.375 They um they revive Draglan is uh freed 00:14:49.575 --> 00:14:52.457 He's revived and uh If I remember 00:14:52.477 --> 00:14:56.441 correctly he can Grant um The the person 00:14:56.461 --> 00:14:59.964 who summoned him A wish and um The 00:15:00.244 --> 00:15:03.245 the reason lane And heido are trying to 00:15:03.285 --> 00:15:06.788 bring Like trying to make sure Sarge you 00:15:06.808 --> 00:15:09.350 and earth is save Is because uh like 00:15:09.370 --> 00:15:11.131 they're Trying to gather all eight of the 00:15:11.152 --> 00:15:13.094 call Relic pieces and 00:15:13.374 --> 00:15:17.076 um revive dragline and then their goal is 00:15:17.096 --> 00:15:19.756 to revive the three gods like bring them 00:15:19.797 --> 00:15:24.479 back okay and yeah i'm glad you brought 00:15:24.538 --> 00:15:27.921 up lane and haido again so lane's life 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:31.562 really changes when he meets haido is 00:15:31.601 --> 00:15:33.003 their relationship kind of like the 00:15:33.062 --> 00:15:36.884 emotional core of the story um 00:15:40.110 --> 00:15:45.094 uh like when when i when when lane 00:15:45.153 --> 00:15:48.035 first when heido first meets lane they 00:15:48.535 --> 00:15:50.856 they like it's like a like a rocky 00:15:50.917 --> 00:15:54.399 relationship but as the story goes on they 00:15:54.438 --> 00:15:58.162 started like fill a bond between them and 00:15:58.322 --> 00:15:58.501 uh 00:16:00.191 --> 00:16:03.392 um heido's like heido wants to just wants 00:16:03.432 --> 00:16:06.971 to get stronger and i i think that 00:16:07.111 --> 00:16:10.773 lane is helping her you know with that 00:16:11.072 --> 00:16:13.873 like like to to make her like more 00:16:13.932 --> 00:16:16.714 powerful like there are times in the story 00:16:16.734 --> 00:16:19.553 where she just goes out of control um 00:16:19.573 --> 00:16:21.955 there's a chapter in volume two where she 00:16:22.554 --> 00:16:25.075 she just went really out of control let 00:16:25.115 --> 00:16:29.456 me see what chapter chapter 00:16:31.523 --> 00:16:32.524 Oh, it's really cool. 00:16:33.365 --> 00:16:34.186 And I like that. 00:16:34.666 --> 00:16:40.892 Because Link is like the Yes, they're, 00:16:41.072 --> 00:16:41.231 they're, 00:16:41.591 --> 00:16:43.333 he's helping her to become stronger. 00:16:43.374 --> 00:16:44.995 But he's also kind of like her, 00:16:46.317 --> 00:16:48.538 like emotional, like support, 00:16:48.719 --> 00:16:49.559 you know what I'm saying? 00:16:49.639 --> 00:16:49.860 Like, 00:16:51.018 --> 00:16:52.940 to help her calm down or to get 00:16:52.980 --> 00:16:53.500 stronger. 00:16:54.022 --> 00:16:56.384 So the eight claw relics, 00:16:56.423 --> 00:16:57.345 which you have mentioned, 00:16:57.905 --> 00:17:00.369 they feel very mythic, very anime, 00:17:00.469 --> 00:17:03.451 which is very own theme for your book. 00:17:03.932 --> 00:17:06.236 How did you come up with this concept? 00:17:09.313 --> 00:17:11.894 maybe Dragon Ball I guess like the seven 00:17:11.933 --> 00:17:14.515 Dragon Balls I guess was the inspiration 00:17:14.555 --> 00:17:17.296 for the claw relics there's literally 00:17:17.375 --> 00:17:19.695 nothing wrong with that it's such a good 00:17:19.736 --> 00:17:22.797 series to be influenced by that nobody can 00:17:22.836 --> 00:17:25.857 be mad at that yeah originally the color 00:17:25.897 --> 00:17:29.219 of the claw relics was orange but I 00:17:29.259 --> 00:17:33.920 changed it to like a blue purple color 00:17:34.180 --> 00:17:36.580 I like those colors personally myself yeah 00:17:37.557 --> 00:17:39.958 So each relic carries power. 00:17:41.337 --> 00:17:46.640 As those relics are recovered, 00:17:47.819 --> 00:17:49.680 do they carry any consequences? 00:17:49.759 --> 00:17:53.461 Like you found one and now there's like 00:17:53.480 --> 00:17:56.501 a consequence of finding these eight 00:17:56.541 --> 00:17:58.603 dragon claws or eight claw relics? 00:17:58.623 --> 00:17:58.663 No. 00:18:00.002 --> 00:18:01.163 Or is it just like, you know, 00:18:01.203 --> 00:18:02.423 you found it, it's yours? 00:18:02.463 --> 00:18:02.703 Yes. 00:18:05.055 --> 00:18:06.915 No, there's no consequences. 00:18:07.836 --> 00:18:08.678 Although I mentioned, 00:18:09.077 --> 00:18:11.220 I think it's in chapter two where Heido 00:18:11.259 --> 00:18:15.403 mentions that only someone with a pure 00:18:15.442 --> 00:18:17.105 heart can have these claw relics. 00:18:18.246 --> 00:18:19.727 When the dragons try to get it, 00:18:20.327 --> 00:18:22.189 one of the claw relic pieces just flies 00:18:22.229 --> 00:18:23.029 away from them. 00:18:25.731 --> 00:18:29.194 They meet this Sagan named Asai to help 00:18:29.214 --> 00:18:32.178 them get the pieces for them. 00:18:33.415 --> 00:18:33.836 Gotcha. 00:18:33.977 --> 00:18:34.176 Okay. 00:18:34.596 --> 00:18:36.680 So it has to recognize that you are 00:18:36.980 --> 00:18:39.323 pure of heart in order to be able 00:18:39.383 --> 00:18:42.566 to hold them and to capture them. 00:18:42.766 --> 00:18:45.209 Yes. 00:18:45.249 --> 00:18:45.750 I like it. 00:18:47.451 --> 00:18:49.594 So could you tease anything else that's 00:18:49.634 --> 00:18:52.136 coming up next for your book? 00:18:53.298 --> 00:18:54.640 Anything else coming out for it? 00:18:55.191 --> 00:18:58.392 yeah so I am currently working on volume 00:18:58.432 --> 00:19:02.134 three most recently I just completed 00:19:02.473 --> 00:19:05.194 chapter fifteen and if you want to read 00:19:05.234 --> 00:19:08.176 the chapters early before volume three 00:19:08.217 --> 00:19:12.818 releases I post them on a website called 00:19:12.858 --> 00:19:16.000 global comics you can read the chapters 00:19:16.099 --> 00:19:19.541 early for one ninety nine the first 00:19:19.561 --> 00:19:21.603 chapter is free to read if you want 00:19:21.623 --> 00:19:23.202 to check that out read that one it 00:19:23.222 --> 00:19:24.604 was terrific yeah 00:19:27.776 --> 00:19:29.416 So can you kind of walk us through 00:19:29.576 --> 00:19:33.458 like your creative process from writing 00:19:33.478 --> 00:19:35.818 the story and then drawing the story? 00:19:35.838 --> 00:19:37.019 Or do you kind of like do work 00:19:37.039 --> 00:19:39.121 on both as you go since you are 00:19:39.161 --> 00:19:41.801 the only person who does the book? 00:19:43.862 --> 00:19:45.824 So I just like write out, 00:19:46.163 --> 00:19:48.846 I type out like the story for each 00:19:48.905 --> 00:19:49.586 chapter. 00:19:50.227 --> 00:19:51.909 First in Google Docs, 00:19:52.148 --> 00:19:53.809 I make any corrections. 00:19:54.611 --> 00:19:58.334 Then once I'm feeling like motivated, 00:19:58.753 --> 00:20:02.096 I illustrate it in Procreate. 00:20:02.477 --> 00:20:05.138 First off, I set up the panels and 00:20:05.759 --> 00:20:07.419 I sketch it out in blue. 00:20:07.499 --> 00:20:09.559 Sometimes I'll write, you know, 00:20:09.700 --> 00:20:11.700 this dialogue and where it goes so I 00:20:11.720 --> 00:20:13.599 can so I can know where to place 00:20:13.640 --> 00:20:14.601 the character at. 00:20:15.361 --> 00:20:18.480 Then I sketch out the character and then 00:20:18.580 --> 00:20:20.061 I draw it over in black. 00:20:21.342 --> 00:20:23.382 And yeah. 00:20:23.402 --> 00:20:26.702 OK, no, that's that's on point. 00:20:27.202 --> 00:20:27.462 That's. 00:20:27.482 --> 00:20:27.823 Yeah, 00:20:27.843 --> 00:20:31.864 I can't complain when you just keep it 00:20:31.884 --> 00:20:32.183 simple. 00:20:32.243 --> 00:20:33.983 I wish more people just kept it simple 00:20:34.003 --> 00:20:34.423 like that. 00:20:36.242 --> 00:20:38.904 So do you do characters come first or 00:20:38.984 --> 00:20:41.586 did this world come first when you were 00:20:41.646 --> 00:20:42.946 coming up with everything? 00:20:43.407 --> 00:20:44.949 Did you have a character in mind or 00:20:44.989 --> 00:20:47.589 did you just have this world that you 00:20:47.611 --> 00:20:49.511 wanted to put characters into? 00:20:50.992 --> 00:20:53.134 I think the characters came first. 00:20:54.654 --> 00:20:58.278 When I started Sagia, like, I remember, 00:20:58.357 --> 00:21:00.638 okay, as I said earlier in this interview, 00:21:01.358 --> 00:21:02.799 I said that it was originally going to 00:21:02.839 --> 00:21:04.040 be like a video game, 00:21:05.342 --> 00:21:07.983 and I just changed it into a comic. 00:21:08.784 --> 00:21:11.806 The first characters I drew were three 00:21:11.885 --> 00:21:19.411 Sagians named Ula, Akira, and Sayuri. 00:21:19.490 --> 00:21:20.030 Sayuri. 00:21:21.570 --> 00:21:23.394 And yeah, 00:21:23.433 --> 00:21:25.215 those are my first three characters that I 00:21:25.236 --> 00:21:25.635 drew. 00:21:28.038 --> 00:21:29.020 Are they still in the book? 00:21:30.391 --> 00:21:31.112 Yeah, 00:21:31.692 --> 00:21:34.334 Ula does appear in Volume Two in the 00:21:34.374 --> 00:21:35.273 last chapter. 00:21:35.855 --> 00:21:38.517 Akira, I'm just going to say this early, 00:21:39.696 --> 00:21:42.818 Akira will appear in Chapter Sixteen, 00:21:42.858 --> 00:21:44.800 which I am currently working on. 00:21:44.820 --> 00:21:45.280 Okay. 00:21:45.560 --> 00:21:48.222 And Sayuri will appear in Chapter... 00:21:48.363 --> 00:21:49.324 I plan to have her... 00:21:50.243 --> 00:21:52.306 I plan to have Sayuri appear in Chapter 00:21:52.365 --> 00:21:52.925 Twenty-One. 00:21:52.965 --> 00:21:55.587 Okay. 00:21:55.607 --> 00:21:55.827 Yeah. 00:21:57.229 --> 00:21:57.269 Um... 00:22:02.559 --> 00:22:04.963 So what has been your hardest thing so 00:22:05.023 --> 00:22:07.608 far in doing this book, 00:22:07.868 --> 00:22:09.912 whether it was the art or the story? 00:22:10.093 --> 00:22:11.255 What do you think was kind of like 00:22:11.335 --> 00:22:12.376 the hardest part of that? 00:22:13.602 --> 00:22:14.702 Oh, the hardest part. 00:22:14.863 --> 00:22:17.425 Like for the art, I just, 00:22:18.146 --> 00:22:18.727 I do these, 00:22:20.189 --> 00:22:23.531 I recently finished my commentary for 00:22:23.612 --> 00:22:25.232 chapter fifteen yesterday. 00:22:26.615 --> 00:22:27.875 For those who don't know, 00:22:28.997 --> 00:22:31.338 I do these chapter commentaries on my 00:22:31.419 --> 00:22:32.500 Ko-fi page. 00:22:32.740 --> 00:22:34.261 So Ko-fi is a place where 00:22:35.202 --> 00:22:38.045 Artists can post their work and people can 00:22:38.164 --> 00:22:39.306 donate and stuff. 00:22:40.266 --> 00:22:42.867 Those commentaries are only for members 00:22:43.028 --> 00:22:44.828 only, if you want to check that out. 00:22:46.410 --> 00:22:48.451 They're up on the official Saga website 00:22:48.490 --> 00:22:48.810 too. 00:22:49.491 --> 00:22:51.573 But I recently finished my commentary for 00:22:51.613 --> 00:22:52.554 Chapter XV. 00:22:52.614 --> 00:22:53.733 I got that scheduled. 00:22:54.454 --> 00:22:55.756 Something I mentioned is... 00:22:56.666 --> 00:22:58.930 There's a character that I had a hard 00:22:58.970 --> 00:23:01.574 time drawing with from a certain angle. 00:23:03.616 --> 00:23:05.338 He appears in chapter six. 00:23:05.839 --> 00:23:07.121 I think in chapter six. 00:23:07.362 --> 00:23:07.662 Yeah. 00:23:08.323 --> 00:23:10.286 He appears in chapter six and his name 00:23:10.326 --> 00:23:10.865 is Faint. 00:23:12.288 --> 00:23:13.068 Fang Noon. 00:23:16.010 --> 00:23:17.811 I have a hard time drawing his beast 00:23:17.852 --> 00:23:18.271 form. 00:23:18.291 --> 00:23:19.992 Okay. 00:23:20.032 --> 00:23:21.954 Like, I'm used to drawing him from, like, 00:23:22.255 --> 00:23:25.336 the two-thirds angle or side view because 00:23:25.396 --> 00:23:26.317 I'm using this, 00:23:27.518 --> 00:23:29.940 my very first drawing of him as reference. 00:23:30.640 --> 00:23:33.962 But if it's, like, from a top-down view, 00:23:34.022 --> 00:23:37.125 from the front, yeah. 00:23:38.025 --> 00:23:38.986 Like, I have to, like, 00:23:39.026 --> 00:23:40.727 sketch out in blue and make so many 00:23:40.767 --> 00:23:41.488 corrections. 00:23:43.808 --> 00:23:45.490 That's what's weird about Procreate though 00:23:45.510 --> 00:23:47.451 Is that you can literally just erase it 00:23:47.531 --> 00:23:50.755 And start it fresh Yeah he appears a 00:23:50.815 --> 00:23:53.616 lot Like Fang Noon's beast form He appears 00:23:53.717 --> 00:23:59.342 a lot in chapter fifteen Okay Yeah I 00:24:00.142 --> 00:24:02.423 just try to make sure He looks fine 00:24:02.523 --> 00:24:06.287 He looks fine from this angle If I'm 00:24:06.386 --> 00:24:09.750 satisfied with the sketch Then I like Draw 00:24:09.769 --> 00:24:10.651 it over in black 00:24:11.942 --> 00:24:14.844 So was there a moment for you when 00:24:14.884 --> 00:24:18.443 you were getting started on the book that 00:24:18.503 --> 00:24:19.865 you kind of took a step back and 00:24:19.904 --> 00:24:20.265 said, 00:24:22.785 --> 00:24:24.246 I think I'm going to do this and 00:24:24.286 --> 00:24:25.586 I think I'm going to make this a 00:24:25.645 --> 00:24:26.506 public thing. 00:24:27.165 --> 00:24:28.906 Was there a moment for you or maybe 00:24:29.207 --> 00:24:30.926 like a part in the story that you 00:24:30.946 --> 00:24:33.207 had written for it or maybe a part 00:24:33.247 --> 00:24:34.548 in when you were drawing a certain 00:24:34.567 --> 00:24:36.387 character that you decided like, 00:24:37.167 --> 00:24:38.828 this isn't just going to be for me. 00:24:38.888 --> 00:24:40.969 I'm going to share this with the world. 00:24:42.605 --> 00:24:47.548 hmm not really okay fair enough fair 00:24:47.587 --> 00:24:54.691 enough so what has been what has been 00:24:54.971 --> 00:25:01.335 an indie creator taught you so far like 00:25:01.375 --> 00:25:05.636 can you paraphrase that question um as an 00:25:05.856 --> 00:25:08.218 indie creator what has been the most 00:25:08.258 --> 00:25:09.858 important lesson that you've learned 00:25:11.260 --> 00:25:11.741 Oh man, 00:25:11.942 --> 00:25:14.505 from YouTube videos that I've watched, 00:25:15.066 --> 00:25:18.230 I shouldn't have made a one-shot comic 00:25:19.951 --> 00:25:23.857 instead of a full series. 00:25:23.917 --> 00:25:24.478 Yeah. 00:25:25.298 --> 00:25:27.582 But, you know, that's one of those... 00:25:28.455 --> 00:25:29.536 That can go both ways. 00:25:30.416 --> 00:25:32.497 If you know to yourself that this is 00:25:32.576 --> 00:25:35.958 something that you want to keep going and 00:25:35.978 --> 00:25:37.679 keep expanding and keep doing, 00:25:38.078 --> 00:25:40.700 would a one-shot have benefited you in the 00:25:40.759 --> 00:25:43.800 long term? 00:25:43.881 --> 00:25:47.142 Yeah, maybe. 00:25:47.162 --> 00:25:47.721 Fair enough. 00:25:48.862 --> 00:25:53.262 So what is one piece of advice you 00:25:53.324 --> 00:25:56.344 wish somebody would have given you before 00:25:56.584 --> 00:25:58.025 starting this journey? 00:26:02.976 --> 00:26:03.655 Oh, man. 00:26:06.739 --> 00:26:07.858 I really don't know. 00:26:10.260 --> 00:26:11.382 It's also fair enough. 00:26:12.363 --> 00:26:14.304 So let me ask you this. 00:26:14.984 --> 00:26:18.188 What is one piece of advice you would 00:26:18.228 --> 00:26:20.489 give to an indie creator out there right 00:26:20.528 --> 00:26:24.311 now who's just kind of like, you know, 00:26:24.551 --> 00:26:25.393 pushing it off, 00:26:25.452 --> 00:26:28.455 pushing it off like they're not ready or. 00:26:30.366 --> 00:26:32.288 They're scared or they're nervous to push 00:26:32.347 --> 00:26:35.029 forward with their own work. 00:26:35.109 --> 00:26:42.013 What kind of advice would you give them? 00:26:42.714 --> 00:26:44.415 I'm trying to think of some advice. 00:26:45.656 --> 00:26:51.701 That is a good question. 00:26:51.760 --> 00:26:53.741 All I have to say is just... 00:26:55.628 --> 00:26:57.971 never like all like when i i was 00:26:58.010 --> 00:27:00.251 like nervous about like when i started 00:27:00.332 --> 00:27:02.853 sagia when i published that to the public 00:27:03.493 --> 00:27:05.795 i was like i i i didn't know 00:27:06.355 --> 00:27:08.317 i was afraid of like the feedback how 00:27:08.376 --> 00:27:10.657 much like the negative feedback but 00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:14.621 surprisingly i got good feedback just my 00:27:14.661 --> 00:27:16.662 advice would just be like listen to the 00:27:16.701 --> 00:27:21.765 feedback um don't give up don't don't be 00:27:21.825 --> 00:27:24.006 scared you all i have to say is 00:27:24.066 --> 00:27:25.166 just you got this 00:27:26.888 --> 00:27:29.750 perfect device perfect device especially 00:27:29.810 --> 00:27:35.694 listening to feedback but i i i am 00:27:35.755 --> 00:27:38.436 available for feedback i do mention that 00:27:38.576 --> 00:27:40.439 often like if somebody wants to send me 00:27:40.459 --> 00:27:42.240 their comic and have me do a pre-read 00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:44.321 before they do anything with it i'm always 00:27:44.382 --> 00:27:45.803 available for that kind of stuff 00:27:46.556 --> 00:27:47.896 And I've done it a few times. 00:27:48.738 --> 00:27:52.000 And those went on to be successful 00:27:52.040 --> 00:27:53.702 Kickstarters in the long term. 00:27:53.742 --> 00:27:54.903 So that's really cool. 00:27:55.464 --> 00:27:56.885 And that's perfect advice right there is 00:27:56.945 --> 00:27:58.527 just listen to feedback. 00:28:01.730 --> 00:28:03.531 So how big do you plan on your 00:28:03.672 --> 00:28:06.194 universe being? 00:28:06.214 --> 00:28:06.275 Uh... 00:28:11.012 --> 00:28:13.054 You got five chapter or five books, 00:28:13.134 --> 00:28:13.773 six books. 00:28:14.013 --> 00:28:14.694 What are you thinking? 00:28:15.255 --> 00:28:18.256 I'm thinking, so currently this is, 00:28:18.655 --> 00:28:20.076 I would like to call this the, 00:28:20.636 --> 00:28:23.218 the dragon arc, the dragon saga. 00:28:23.818 --> 00:28:26.420 I'm planning for this to last eight 00:28:26.460 --> 00:28:27.140 volumes. 00:28:28.039 --> 00:28:28.300 Okay. 00:28:28.800 --> 00:28:30.761 Um, and then I have like future, 00:28:31.082 --> 00:28:32.521 future arcs planned. 00:28:33.583 --> 00:28:34.823 And how many, um, 00:28:36.084 --> 00:28:38.664 chapters do you have per arc or per 00:28:39.345 --> 00:28:39.786 volume? 00:28:39.826 --> 00:28:40.266 I should say. 00:28:41.943 --> 00:28:45.906 So volume one, how many chapters is it? 00:28:45.946 --> 00:28:47.828 For volume one, it'll be six. 00:28:48.650 --> 00:28:50.050 It has six chapters. 00:28:50.711 --> 00:28:51.632 For volume two, 00:28:51.751 --> 00:28:53.693 I expanded it with like seven. 00:28:54.334 --> 00:28:57.237 Volume three will have seven chapters. 00:28:59.377 --> 00:28:59.458 Okay. 00:28:59.478 --> 00:29:00.358 That's pretty spot on. 00:29:01.180 --> 00:29:03.442 How long is a chapter for you? 00:29:03.461 --> 00:29:04.061 How long? 00:29:04.082 --> 00:29:05.002 Yeah. 00:29:07.007 --> 00:29:07.508 I don't know. 00:29:07.587 --> 00:29:09.490 Like the most recent chapter I finished 00:29:09.529 --> 00:29:11.351 was like forty four pages. 00:29:11.451 --> 00:29:14.733 It was just so much work. 00:29:14.753 --> 00:29:15.775 That's incredible, though. 00:29:15.795 --> 00:29:18.277 So when people are buying your book, 00:29:18.917 --> 00:29:21.380 they're getting their value for their 00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:21.780 money. 00:29:21.800 --> 00:29:24.323 You know, 00:29:24.343 --> 00:29:26.785 chapters being that big and seven chapters 00:29:26.825 --> 00:29:27.405 of volume. 00:29:27.846 --> 00:29:28.727 That's incredible. 00:29:29.366 --> 00:29:30.228 So keep that up. 00:29:30.307 --> 00:29:30.828 I like that. 00:29:31.885 --> 00:29:32.766 Thank you. 00:29:32.786 --> 00:29:33.346 So let me ask, 00:29:33.405 --> 00:29:35.807 where can people tell the people where 00:29:35.846 --> 00:29:38.488 they can find your work and where they 00:29:38.508 --> 00:29:40.749 can find you? 00:29:40.788 --> 00:29:44.450 So if you're interested in a physical copy 00:29:45.170 --> 00:29:48.911 of a saga, I also do sign copies, 00:29:48.951 --> 00:29:49.290 too. 00:29:50.311 --> 00:29:54.012 You can go to Kofi dot com slash 00:29:54.073 --> 00:29:55.653 Wimburn slash shop. 00:29:56.753 --> 00:29:57.953 I also have merch. 00:29:58.473 --> 00:29:59.734 I'm wearing one of them right now. 00:30:06.036 --> 00:30:07.178 Some nice t shirts. 00:30:07.739 --> 00:30:07.960 Yeah. 00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:12.280 I got t-shirts. 00:30:13.461 --> 00:30:16.541 I recently released this merch last year 00:30:17.042 --> 00:30:20.003 for a third event I was at. 00:30:20.384 --> 00:30:22.684 It was a really big event. 00:30:24.365 --> 00:30:28.027 I have t-shirts, prints, stickers. 00:30:28.247 --> 00:30:31.127 I will sign the prints too if you 00:30:31.188 --> 00:30:31.808 request it. 00:30:35.192 --> 00:30:38.395 I also want to thank shoutouts to Comics 00:30:38.435 --> 00:30:41.900 Wellspring for printing out my books. 00:30:42.980 --> 00:30:45.663 They're a really good company and I do 00:30:45.743 --> 00:30:46.325 recommend them. 00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:50.621 If you want to follow me, 00:30:51.580 --> 00:30:53.301 as of this podcast, 00:30:53.423 --> 00:30:55.683 I am on break from social media. 00:30:55.703 --> 00:30:57.345 I told you before, 00:30:57.424 --> 00:30:59.326 everybody has to take one sometimes. 00:30:59.766 --> 00:31:00.207 Yeah. 00:31:01.126 --> 00:31:03.429 I'm on Instagram at Wimburn. 00:31:04.269 --> 00:31:07.330 Blue Sky Threads. 00:31:08.271 --> 00:31:10.173 I have a Facebook page if you want 00:31:10.192 --> 00:31:11.093 to follow that. 00:31:11.953 --> 00:31:12.974 I used to be on Twitter, 00:31:13.015 --> 00:31:13.974 but not anymore. 00:31:14.394 --> 00:31:16.257 Not as much because that site went 00:31:16.297 --> 00:31:16.737 downhill. 00:31:17.967 --> 00:31:24.092 real quick yeah so yep you you hit 00:31:24.112 --> 00:31:25.893 them all do you still have the uh 00:31:25.952 --> 00:31:26.453 the weebly 00:31:27.300 --> 00:31:30.643 account yeah yeah if you want to check 00:31:30.742 --> 00:31:34.263 out sagya itself um you can go to 00:31:34.704 --> 00:31:40.067 sagya official.weebly.com or um i also 00:31:40.086 --> 00:31:42.989 have that blog like i mentioned um i 00:31:43.028 --> 00:31:45.549 think it's sagya sagya 00:31:45.609 --> 00:31:49.192 official.blogspot.com it's also on the 00:31:49.231 --> 00:31:51.073 official sagya website so yeah it's like 00:31:54.078 --> 00:31:54.778 So Wimber, 00:31:54.939 --> 00:31:56.599 I want to thank you so much for 00:31:56.660 --> 00:32:00.041 bringing your work to the USDN community 00:32:00.102 --> 00:32:02.623 and for proving that indie comics are 00:32:02.804 --> 00:32:07.465 still the best place for bold new worlds. 00:32:07.986 --> 00:32:09.227 To everyone watching, 00:32:09.747 --> 00:32:11.688 make sure you follow, support, 00:32:12.107 --> 00:32:14.529 and share not only Wimber's work, 00:32:14.910 --> 00:32:17.090 but all indie creators' work. 00:32:17.391 --> 00:32:20.833 This movement only grows when you show up 00:32:21.212 --> 00:32:23.054 for it and support it. 00:32:24.161 --> 00:32:24.942 Ladies and gentlemen, 00:32:25.163 --> 00:32:27.667 the council is adjourned. 00:32:27.907 --> 00:32:31.674 This has been the USDM podcast where indie 00:32:31.694 --> 00:32:33.438 comics come to life. 00:32:34.098 --> 00:32:35.181 Y'all be safe out there. 00:32:35.201 --> 00:32:36.083 See ya. 00:33:15.349 --> 00:33:15.451 Thank you.