WEBVTT Kind: captions Language: en-GB 00:00:08.350 --> 00:00:12.550 Travis Bader: I'm Travis Bader, and this is the Silvercore podcast. 00:00:13.380 --> 00:00:17.930 Silvercore has been providing its members with the skills and knowledge 00:00:17.949 --> 00:00:22.620 necessary to be confident and proficient in the outdoors for over 20 years. 00:00:22.710 --> 00:00:26.790 And we make it easier for people to deepen their connection to the natural world. 00:00:27.730 --> 00:00:30.439 If you enjoy the positive and educational content. 00:00:30.640 --> 00:00:35.530 We provide, please let others know by sharing, commenting, and 00:00:35.530 --> 00:00:39.630 following so that you can join in on everything that Silvercore stands for. 00:00:40.700 --> 00:00:43.340 If you'd like to learn more about becoming a member of the 00:00:43.809 --> 00:00:47.929 Silvercore club and community, visit our website at silvercore. 00:00:47.940 --> 00:00:48.370 ca. 00:00:52.060 --> 00:00:56.710 You may have seen her on Jordan Peterson's podcast or Pierce Morgan's show or Apple 00:00:56.730 --> 00:01:02.165 TV or Jocko's podcast or Lex Freedman's or Trigonometry, or from her own 00:01:02.655 --> 00:01:05.504 hugely popular podcast, Brass in Unity. 00:01:06.175 --> 00:01:07.525 It's been a long time coming. 00:01:07.715 --> 00:01:10.034 Welcome to the Silvercore podcast. 00:01:10.035 --> 00:01:11.245 My friend, Kelsey 00:01:11.655 --> 00:01:11.785 Kelsi Sheren: Sheeran. 00:01:11.785 --> 00:01:12.444 Dude, thanks so much. 00:01:12.445 --> 00:01:13.344 I'm so excited to be here. 00:01:13.344 --> 00:01:14.374 I was waiting for you to ask. 00:01:14.374 --> 00:01:18.004 You're like the one show I was like, is he going to ask me or am I going to have to 00:01:18.004 --> 00:01:18.481 Travis Bader: ask myself? 00:01:18.481 --> 00:01:19.436 So, okay, hold on. 00:01:19.436 --> 00:01:21.085 Let me just put myself in your head. 00:01:21.435 --> 00:01:21.855 Okay. 00:01:22.555 --> 00:01:23.535 Got your own show. 00:01:23.565 --> 00:01:24.655 You're working. 00:01:25.115 --> 00:01:31.035 Your ass off all the way through like Jordan Peterson's show, Jocko's 00:01:31.045 --> 00:01:33.244 show, Lex's show, on it goes. 00:01:33.285 --> 00:01:37.744 And you're like, man, someday it'll be the Silvercore 00:01:37.745 --> 00:01:37.944 Kelsi Sheren: podcast. 00:01:37.945 --> 00:01:41.295 Listen, I think that friends don't think that they think they can ask. 00:01:42.454 --> 00:01:43.835 I think that's why it's harder. 00:01:44.065 --> 00:01:48.685 So, uh, those shows are different and that they are not friends. 00:01:49.085 --> 00:01:54.015 They are not people I speak to, or I would call to say. 00:01:54.720 --> 00:01:57.480 Hey, man, will you come help me set up my cameras in my studio? 00:01:57.510 --> 00:02:00.220 Because I have no clue and I can't afford a lighting guy and you're like 00:02:00.220 --> 00:02:05.289 no problem because you're also somebody that I I You're not a yes, man And 00:02:05.289 --> 00:02:09.609 you're a value to me in a different way from a friendship perspective, 00:02:09.629 --> 00:02:12.295 and I don't know I don't know. 00:02:12.355 --> 00:02:13.905 Can I, can I say how we met? 00:02:13.975 --> 00:02:14.704 Are you okay with that? 00:02:15.415 --> 00:02:15.674 Cool. 00:02:15.685 --> 00:02:20.715 So for, for those of you listening that don't know how we met or how these very 00:02:20.875 --> 00:02:24.294 different, but similar humans could have come into proximity as we, we 00:02:24.295 --> 00:02:25.535 live in the same area, which is nice. 00:02:25.954 --> 00:02:28.345 Um, so we both experienced the same level of communism. 00:02:28.704 --> 00:02:33.225 And we also, Are people who have gone through hard things 00:02:33.225 --> 00:02:36.605 publicly and our life has had that kind of, you know, vibe to it. 00:02:36.615 --> 00:02:40.685 So, when I was going through the situation, you know, a handful of years 00:02:40.685 --> 00:02:46.275 back now with Jocko, you saw what was going on and we had a mutual friend 00:02:46.775 --> 00:02:50.175 who was a photographer and I believe he was doing some content for you. 00:02:50.235 --> 00:02:50.545 Mmm. 00:02:50.790 --> 00:02:51.260 Spencer. 00:02:51.580 --> 00:02:54.630 And so he had said, Hey, do you know of silver cord? 00:02:54.630 --> 00:02:55.740 You know of these people? 00:02:55.750 --> 00:02:57.030 I, you know, I did some content for them. 00:02:57.030 --> 00:02:59.729 I think they're, I think they live near you and I looked you up and I was 00:02:59.730 --> 00:03:00.849 like, yeah, I know who these guys are. 00:03:00.850 --> 00:03:01.940 He's like, do you want an intro? 00:03:01.949 --> 00:03:02.570 I'm like, yeah. 00:03:02.600 --> 00:03:05.350 So he called me and I was on the plane, gave me your number and off we went. 00:03:05.770 --> 00:03:08.359 And then you invited me for lunch to come out and have a chat. 00:03:08.559 --> 00:03:14.400 And there's, and like in the most transparent, um, awesome, beautiful way. 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:16.470 You were like, Hey, I don't want anything from you. 00:03:17.195 --> 00:03:18.455 Are you okay? 00:03:19.585 --> 00:03:23.815 And at that time, I think I had a handful of people that really knew 00:03:23.835 --> 00:03:27.785 the depths of what was going on and had asked me if I was doing alright. 00:03:27.805 --> 00:03:32.525 And so, at that time, it meant a lot more than I think you'll ever realize. 00:03:32.525 --> 00:03:36.275 And I think that's why when, when you're like, oh, you've done these shows, and 00:03:36.275 --> 00:03:37.445 then you're like, maybe Silvercore. 00:03:37.445 --> 00:03:40.595 It's like, well, every show has a value, but. 00:03:40.860 --> 00:03:44.090 There is a reason each show was done. 00:03:44.290 --> 00:03:47.150 And then there are shows that I just would choose to do because 00:03:47.150 --> 00:03:49.960 they're people I want to support and just love them as human beings. 00:03:49.960 --> 00:03:50.969 And your show was that. 00:03:51.040 --> 00:03:51.050 I 00:03:51.630 --> 00:03:52.680 Travis Bader: appreciate that, Kelsey. 00:03:52.739 --> 00:03:52.979 Kelsi Sheren: Yeah. 00:03:53.170 --> 00:03:56.469 Travis Bader: You know, I mean, it was evident listening to you, talking 00:03:56.470 --> 00:04:00.480 with you that, uh, that you're going through something and I could feel that. 00:04:00.830 --> 00:04:04.630 So, um, But here we are now, I mean, that one, holy crow, that 00:04:04.630 --> 00:04:06.049 one figured itself out, didn't it? 00:04:06.059 --> 00:04:07.859 Kelsi Sheren: Well, definitely. 00:04:08.190 --> 00:04:10.649 I mean, there's a lot of things going on right now in the public 00:04:10.649 --> 00:04:12.859 sphere with him and the world. 00:04:12.880 --> 00:04:18.110 And you know, I, I'm a big believer that, um, if you handle things 00:04:18.110 --> 00:04:20.869 properly, the world kind of finds its way of sorting it out. 00:04:21.249 --> 00:04:22.709 And so for me. 00:04:22.940 --> 00:04:29.049 Uh, my way was to be so viciously on top of the situation and relentless about my 00:04:29.049 --> 00:04:33.639 character and my name and who I am and what I stand for and what I say is, comes 00:04:33.640 --> 00:04:38.049 with receipts, you know, from, I could be talking about something from my, you 00:04:38.049 --> 00:04:41.770 know, my son's school as an example to my service and deployment to what I do in 00:04:41.770 --> 00:04:45.530 the nonprofit world, to what I do in the coaching world or whatever world I'm in. 00:04:45.800 --> 00:04:48.800 If I'm saying something, it's cause it's going to come with a receipt for sure. 00:04:48.810 --> 00:04:49.430 A hundred percent. 00:04:49.460 --> 00:04:52.129 And that's, that was one of those lessons I learned was. 00:04:52.690 --> 00:04:56.160 If you're going to go on these public platforms, you're going to put yourself 00:04:56.160 --> 00:05:01.910 out there in the most raw way you can, and you are going to say some things 00:05:01.910 --> 00:05:04.879 that are either going to rattle cages, are going to make people question 00:05:04.880 --> 00:05:06.830 things, or question you yourself. 00:05:07.130 --> 00:05:10.450 You have to make sure that now you can back up everything you said. 00:05:10.900 --> 00:05:16.475 And so, that situation, Was one, of course, I was going through it, but most 00:05:16.525 --> 00:05:20.605 people, because the other individual was so prominent and had so much 00:05:20.615 --> 00:05:24.485 support on the back end, nobody could fathom that that individual was wrong. 00:05:25.085 --> 00:05:30.185 And so, for me, I decided, if you're going to question my name, After me going 00:05:30.185 --> 00:05:33.795 through what I did to then come out the other side to have a successful company 00:05:33.795 --> 00:05:38.015 and be known all over the globe for a piece of jewelry, the last thing you're 00:05:38.015 --> 00:05:41.304 going to do after I've done all that work is then wipe out my good character 00:05:41.305 --> 00:05:44.074 and standing in this community because it's just not going to fly with me. 00:05:44.594 --> 00:05:49.085 And I was relentless and ruthless about telling them I was never 00:05:49.085 --> 00:05:51.315 going to stop if you didn't. 00:05:51.599 --> 00:05:53.500 If you, if you didn't want to do something, but that's fine, 00:05:53.500 --> 00:05:54.469 but I'm not going to stop. 00:05:54.469 --> 00:05:57.000 And then I, I said, I'm also going to write this in my book. 00:05:57.039 --> 00:05:58.409 And so that's coming out. 00:05:58.789 --> 00:06:01.909 Here's your last opportunity before the book comes out, because if I'm 00:06:01.919 --> 00:06:05.709 asked questions, I'm going to be honest, not going to lie about it. 00:06:05.789 --> 00:06:06.930 I'm not going to exaggerate it. 00:06:07.020 --> 00:06:08.059 I'm going to be honest. 00:06:08.380 --> 00:06:11.070 And that's when they took the opportunity to rerecord again. 00:06:11.109 --> 00:06:14.440 And so, um, I, uh, yeah, I'll always appreciate that. 00:06:14.440 --> 00:06:17.560 There was very few people that I spoke to about it in depth or 00:06:17.560 --> 00:06:20.520 were honest about how much it was genuinely affecting me and my family. 00:06:21.465 --> 00:06:24.575 Travis Bader: You know, if you're not getting that sort of a visceral 00:06:24.575 --> 00:06:29.075 reaction in return, if you're not getting the haters, uh, reaching 00:06:29.075 --> 00:06:32.674 out and trying to tear you down, maybe that's just an indication 00:06:32.674 --> 00:06:34.035 that you're not pushing hard enough. 00:06:34.845 --> 00:06:35.165 Kelsi Sheren: Yeah. 00:06:35.234 --> 00:06:36.824 I think that's always an indication. 00:06:37.154 --> 00:06:40.020 I think you can choose to see it as a I think people can 00:06:40.020 --> 00:06:41.070 choose to see it both ways. 00:06:41.179 --> 00:06:47.849 I think that individuals can choose to see life as a hard situation, as 00:06:47.859 --> 00:06:54.989 a negative, as a setback, or as a attack on someone's character, um, 00:06:55.010 --> 00:06:56.369 because it's actually about you. 00:06:56.399 --> 00:07:00.905 What I learned Since then and the work that I do now and the effort I 00:07:00.905 --> 00:07:02.755 put into my life now is very simple. 00:07:02.755 --> 00:07:05.534 It's that this life is happening for you, not to you. 00:07:05.594 --> 00:07:08.625 Number one, your perspective matters in all things. 00:07:08.634 --> 00:07:10.305 Your self talk is everything. 00:07:10.414 --> 00:07:17.154 And if somebody is accusing you of something, it's probably because that 00:07:17.164 --> 00:07:19.204 skeleton exists in that person's closet. 00:07:19.224 --> 00:07:19.474 I. 00:07:19.474 --> 00:07:19.674 e. 00:07:19.684 --> 00:07:24.535 I'm the mirror and you're, you're reacting because you're not liking what you see, 00:07:24.565 --> 00:07:28.540 but I'm triggering something inside of you That has nothing to do with me. 00:07:28.930 --> 00:07:30.760 And boy, did we ever learn that lesson. 00:07:30.770 --> 00:07:30.780 A 00:07:30.940 --> 00:07:31.760 Travis Bader: hundred percent. 00:07:32.070 --> 00:07:34.630 So I got to ask, do you read the comments? 00:07:35.390 --> 00:07:36.869 Do you go through each and every one? 00:07:37.190 --> 00:07:37.780 Kelsi Sheren: Not anymore. 00:07:38.140 --> 00:07:39.180 No, um, 00:07:39.190 --> 00:07:39.980 Travis Bader: where did that stop 00:07:40.610 --> 00:07:41.500 Kelsi Sheren: after Jocko? 00:07:41.500 --> 00:07:42.340 After the first one? 00:07:42.540 --> 00:07:46.660 Um, I think that's fair to say that it wasn't, it wasn't going to be 00:07:46.840 --> 00:07:51.550 in any way helpful, beneficial, purposeful, or useful with my time. 00:07:52.079 --> 00:07:55.259 And I already feel like I have limited time like everyone else in the world. 00:07:55.260 --> 00:08:00.270 So when on social media, I do, uh, on YouTube, I don't 00:08:00.340 --> 00:08:01.470 on those types of comments. 00:08:01.470 --> 00:08:01.740 I don't. 00:08:01.740 --> 00:08:06.250 And the reason I do on Instagram on my personal page is because that's often 00:08:07.270 --> 00:08:11.400 the people that are reaching out for help are our friends of mine that I 00:08:11.400 --> 00:08:16.080 follow or people have found me outside of platforms from the coaching sphere and the 00:08:16.080 --> 00:08:17.910 podcast world and can't come there now. 00:08:18.530 --> 00:08:21.989 I have also done the same thing that I know Chris Williamson has 00:08:21.989 --> 00:08:25.390 mentioned a comment before that, you know, with his YouTube he. 00:08:27.350 --> 00:08:28.740 He doesn't allow certain things. 00:08:28.740 --> 00:08:29.850 He just, you know, he'll delete it. 00:08:29.850 --> 00:08:30.990 So he's almost trained people. 00:08:30.990 --> 00:08:33.940 It's like, if you're going to walk into my home, take your shoes off. 00:08:34.360 --> 00:08:36.550 It's no different than when you're doing the work that I do. 00:08:36.820 --> 00:08:41.489 I expect a certain level of decorum and respect around any topic that I'm 00:08:41.490 --> 00:08:44.920 speaking of, and if you don't want to give it, your comment gets deleted and you 00:08:44.920 --> 00:08:46.330 get blocked and I move on with my life. 00:08:46.330 --> 00:08:47.350 I don't think twice about it. 00:08:47.450 --> 00:08:48.450 I give you a warning. 00:08:48.450 --> 00:08:50.530 I say, Hey, keep it, knock it off. 00:08:50.740 --> 00:08:52.300 If you don't knock it off, it's block and delete. 00:08:52.470 --> 00:08:53.379 What am I supposed to do? 00:08:53.379 --> 00:08:55.720 I can't police the internet, but I also can. 00:08:57.245 --> 00:09:01.965 Ask of my people that, that engage with me and my content of more. 00:09:02.765 --> 00:09:06.255 Travis Bader: 100 percent and you know, you, you can train, you can 00:09:06.295 --> 00:09:08.115 at least train your, your sphere. 00:09:08.115 --> 00:09:12.345 It's kind of like, um, I think I've used this example before, but tell us back of 00:09:12.345 --> 00:09:15.264 the day, I mean, something would happen. 00:09:15.525 --> 00:09:18.194 You had a raw deal, you're dropping calls on the cell phone 00:09:18.195 --> 00:09:19.904 or whatever it is that happens. 00:09:19.904 --> 00:09:21.560 Um, You don't get anything from them. 00:09:21.560 --> 00:09:23.870 But if you complained, you'd get something. 00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:30.219 So I remember one day I'm like talking to the Telus tech and I'm like, do I have to 00:09:30.220 --> 00:09:32.130 complain to you in order to get something? 00:09:32.170 --> 00:09:34.980 Do we have to escalate this in order for you guys to make this right? 00:09:35.010 --> 00:09:39.569 And they said, actually, if you start complaining, we've got a whole new 00:09:39.569 --> 00:09:41.209 structure that we're using right now. 00:09:41.980 --> 00:09:43.890 And we're just going to write you off as a customer. 00:09:44.349 --> 00:09:44.810 Kelsi Sheren: Oh, wow. 00:09:44.849 --> 00:09:45.689 Travis Bader: I said, really? 00:09:45.699 --> 00:09:48.709 He said, yeah, too many people were trained that if they wanted to get 00:09:48.709 --> 00:09:51.980 something, they had to be abusive to the person on the other end of the phone. 00:09:51.980 --> 00:09:55.659 So, uh, as we move forward, plead your case, let us know what's up. 00:09:55.679 --> 00:09:57.489 And if you want to work with us, we're going to work with you. 00:09:57.489 --> 00:09:58.929 We want to keep you as a customer. 00:09:58.929 --> 00:10:00.050 We want to keep you moving forward. 00:10:00.050 --> 00:10:01.849 And I thought, that's really interesting. 00:10:01.849 --> 00:10:06.459 And I was late teens, early twenties when, when I had that conversation with him. 00:10:06.459 --> 00:10:09.055 And I thought, I'm going to carry that forward into my business. 00:10:09.435 --> 00:10:12.834 I want to make sure that I'm training the people that we do work with. 00:10:12.944 --> 00:10:14.615 Here's a certain way that we want to be treated. 00:10:14.645 --> 00:10:17.604 We're here for you, but you cross that line. 00:10:17.814 --> 00:10:19.304 Maybe we don't need you as a customer. 00:10:19.454 --> 00:10:19.655 Kelsi Sheren: Yeah. 00:10:19.755 --> 00:10:21.894 Travis Bader: Same as, same as what you're doing there. 00:10:22.064 --> 00:10:22.285 Kelsi Sheren: Yeah. 00:10:22.285 --> 00:10:25.629 I think for social media, I think for the people you surround yourself with. 00:10:25.760 --> 00:10:30.020 I think for individuals who are trying to cultivate a positive environment, 00:10:30.040 --> 00:10:32.540 and I'm not saying a positive environment in the sense of that. 00:10:32.540 --> 00:10:35.920 It has to be delusionally positive where there aren't hard things and 00:10:35.930 --> 00:10:39.610 hard conversations and complaints and honest, you know, dialogue. 00:10:40.029 --> 00:10:45.320 But I also think that there can be, if you give respect, you get respect. 00:10:45.890 --> 00:10:48.820 If you value someone's time, the others will value your time. 00:10:49.270 --> 00:10:52.729 And that shows up in my work that shows up in what I do, that shows up 00:10:52.729 --> 00:10:54.439 in my life, that shows up everywhere. 00:10:54.490 --> 00:10:54.949 And so. 00:10:55.575 --> 00:10:58.925 I use those strategies kind of across the board, whether it's with clients, with my 00:10:58.925 --> 00:11:00.595 businesses, with my show, or with myself. 00:11:00.625 --> 00:11:05.335 If you're late, I don't take it personally, but know that it's a red flag 00:11:05.335 --> 00:11:07.464 in my eyes that you don't respect my time. 00:11:07.714 --> 00:11:10.094 Now, I've been late for things. 00:11:10.295 --> 00:11:11.415 Uh, when I was driving in L. 00:11:11.415 --> 00:11:11.495 A. 00:11:11.495 --> 00:11:15.834 on my last trip, I was doing the Amy Is show, and the address took 00:11:15.834 --> 00:11:18.385 me 20 minutes away from her studio. 00:11:18.615 --> 00:11:21.055 I called her and said, I'm so deeply sorry. 00:11:21.155 --> 00:11:22.255 I left at this time. 00:11:22.285 --> 00:11:23.364 There was an accident. 00:11:23.475 --> 00:11:24.459 I'm now here on my way. 00:11:24.610 --> 00:11:25.590 How would you like me to proceed? 00:11:25.590 --> 00:11:26.330 She's like, no, get here. 00:11:26.330 --> 00:11:28.310 It's no big deal to me though. 00:11:28.830 --> 00:11:29.710 That was a big deal. 00:11:29.710 --> 00:11:31.420 If there wasn't a legitimate reason, i. 00:11:31.420 --> 00:11:31.530 e. 00:11:31.540 --> 00:11:35.660 living in Los Angeles, if you don't know about living in Los Angeles or driving in 00:11:35.660 --> 00:11:41.930 Los Angeles, it took me, for example, to go 37 kilometers, it took me two hours. 00:11:42.129 --> 00:11:43.269 So that's standard. 00:11:43.270 --> 00:11:44.700 So she understood and it wasn't a big deal. 00:11:44.955 --> 00:11:50.035 But if you, if there's a similar thing that happens where I just didn't 00:11:50.045 --> 00:11:54.014 leave on time or I didn't value that person's time enough to leave a little 00:11:54.015 --> 00:11:56.974 bit earlier, that to me just tells me you don't and some people say, 00:11:56.975 --> 00:11:58.175 well, Kelsey, that's a bit strict. 00:11:58.205 --> 00:11:59.085 That's a bit much. 00:11:59.115 --> 00:12:03.065 But I mean, I have standards and you don't have to agree. 00:12:03.074 --> 00:12:04.545 You can have whatever standard you want. 00:12:04.745 --> 00:12:05.415 But these are mine. 00:12:06.375 --> 00:12:10.385 Travis Bader: So we were talking before, and you're looking at possibly 00:12:10.385 --> 00:12:12.415 embarking on a few new adventures. 00:12:12.425 --> 00:12:18.295 One of them is, um, and it aligns with the shooting, hunting, outdoor 00:12:18.305 --> 00:12:20.545 sort of area things, is hunting. 00:12:20.595 --> 00:12:20.815 Kelsi Sheren: Yeah. 00:12:21.005 --> 00:12:24.495 Travis Bader: You're looking at getting into hunting, uh, and you. 00:12:24.980 --> 00:12:27.689 Haven't been able to touch meat for a while. 00:12:28.230 --> 00:12:32.360 And you're looking at hunting as a path towards, towards that. 00:12:32.500 --> 00:12:37.700 And I think, you know, every Monday you run a mental health Monday, awesome thing. 00:12:37.700 --> 00:12:40.430 Anybody here, there's going to be links in the bio, check it out. 00:12:40.469 --> 00:12:42.580 It's, uh, extremely positive. 00:12:43.210 --> 00:12:44.940 Uh, Kelsey's a coach as well. 00:12:45.150 --> 00:12:48.230 Something that she doesn't, uh, go around promoting as much 00:12:48.230 --> 00:12:49.410 as I think you really should. 00:12:49.940 --> 00:12:53.650 Um, but But, um, mental health Mondays, there's a check in, 00:12:53.650 --> 00:12:55.320 people can tune in on Instagram. 00:12:55.370 --> 00:13:00.420 And, uh, you also mentioned it's a 15 year anniversary of, uh, the 00:13:00.420 --> 00:13:01.839 reason why you can't touch meat. 00:13:01.980 --> 00:13:02.270 Kelsi Sheren: Yeah. 00:13:02.589 --> 00:13:06.280 So, uh, at a 100. 00:13:07.695 --> 00:13:11.175 Last night would have been the 15th anniversary of the step off of 00:13:11.175 --> 00:13:13.545 the push off of the operation that I got injured on in Afghanistan. 00:13:13.545 --> 00:13:19.404 So tomorrow will be the will be the 15th anniversary of my friend passing away. 00:13:19.774 --> 00:13:25.579 Um, and that was coincidentally the time that I got the injury that ended up. 00:13:25.780 --> 00:13:27.030 With me leaving the military. 00:13:27.430 --> 00:13:31.920 And so, uh, since that I still haven't been able to touch raw meat with my hands. 00:13:31.949 --> 00:13:35.749 And regardless of Jordan Peterson's advice, I did what he asked and it 00:13:35.749 --> 00:13:38.759 definitely did exactly what we knew it would do, but we're working towards that. 00:13:38.759 --> 00:13:41.910 And the thing that I love about hunting and the thing that I love about this 00:13:41.910 --> 00:13:47.790 community and what I love about people who are willing to close the gap on the, 00:13:47.900 --> 00:13:52.709 Food chain that are willing to go do the hard thing to provide for their families. 00:13:52.920 --> 00:13:55.969 And I understand not everybody can do that, whether that's time specific, 00:13:55.969 --> 00:13:59.219 whether that's financial, whether that's, they just choose not to. 00:13:59.800 --> 00:14:03.779 Um, I'm a big believer in being able to try to close that gap, whether 00:14:03.779 --> 00:14:05.129 it makes me uncomfortable or not. 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:06.399 And I know how many friends. 00:14:06.400 --> 00:14:10.420 Friends have used hunting as a healing modality for their traumas and for the 00:14:10.430 --> 00:14:15.260 things that they have experienced overseas and seen massive growth, whether that's 00:14:15.270 --> 00:14:20.320 from being in the community, finding a purpose, being outside in nature, or just 00:14:20.369 --> 00:14:22.340 learning how to be self sufficient again. 00:14:22.400 --> 00:14:28.680 And so mine encompasses my, my why encompasses all of those things, plus the 00:14:28.680 --> 00:14:36.280 ability to be able to somewhat comfortably touch meat, which is because of the, 00:14:36.430 --> 00:14:40.279 I used to do, I did body collection and I didn't have gloves at the time. 00:14:40.710 --> 00:14:46.390 So for me, the tactile, like tactically when it comes to the way my body works is 00:14:46.390 --> 00:14:52.120 I'm a very, I talk a lot with my hands, but I'm also a very touch oriented person. 00:14:52.129 --> 00:14:52.969 So clothing. 00:14:53.185 --> 00:14:54.015 Uh, everything like that. 00:14:54.015 --> 00:14:55.444 I have to touch things. 00:14:55.495 --> 00:14:56.735 It's how my brain works. 00:14:56.735 --> 00:15:01.165 So it's similar to like when I eat, I can't, like I wear these orange 00:15:01.175 --> 00:15:04.765 glasses at night, um, that help with resetting my circadian rhythm. 00:15:04.905 --> 00:15:06.705 But if I'm going to eat something later that I have 00:15:06.705 --> 00:15:07.865 them on, I have to lift them up. 00:15:07.924 --> 00:15:09.994 Like I have to be able to see and touch. 00:15:10.415 --> 00:15:13.495 Like my, my doctor's like, you have a touch of autism, relax. 00:15:13.505 --> 00:15:13.675 Yeah, I 00:15:13.675 --> 00:15:15.025 Travis Bader: was going to ask, I was going to ask. 00:15:15.314 --> 00:15:15.745 Yeah, I've 00:15:15.745 --> 00:15:18.095 Kelsi Sheren: never been diagnosed, but like, isn't everybody now? 00:15:18.095 --> 00:15:18.825 So what does it matter? 00:15:18.915 --> 00:15:19.034 Well, they 00:15:19.035 --> 00:15:20.055 Travis Bader: call it a spectrum. 00:15:20.085 --> 00:15:20.444 Cool. 00:15:20.444 --> 00:15:22.595 You'd think that somewhere on the spectrum, someone's 00:15:22.595 --> 00:15:23.214 going to be on there, right? 00:15:23.215 --> 00:15:23.655 Yeah, I'm 00:15:23.655 --> 00:15:25.004 Kelsi Sheren: on that probably for sure. 00:15:25.285 --> 00:15:27.734 So, uh, that's a, that's a thing for me. 00:15:28.044 --> 00:15:31.915 So I think that's why it's more of a thing for me than I would prefer 00:15:31.915 --> 00:15:34.755 it to be, but yeah, so that's why hunting's important for me. 00:15:35.404 --> 00:15:36.665 Travis Bader: And have you ever hunted before? 00:15:36.724 --> 00:15:37.055 Kelsi Sheren: No. 00:15:37.595 --> 00:15:41.194 Travis Bader: And how, how do you view this, this journey going forward? 00:15:41.735 --> 00:15:42.875 Kelsi Sheren: So I, what I would like to do, um. 00:15:44.005 --> 00:15:46.515 Now that I want to sort this out, um. 00:15:46.835 --> 00:15:47.795 Travis Bader: You're pointing at your leg there. 00:15:47.835 --> 00:15:48.015 Pointing at 00:15:48.015 --> 00:15:48.715 Kelsi Sheren: my knee there. 00:15:49.095 --> 00:15:51.365 Um, so yeah, we'll get into that after, but yeah. 00:15:51.365 --> 00:15:54.445 So what I would like to do ultimately, what my goal would be able to do is, 00:15:54.794 --> 00:15:58.454 uh, you know, I am by definition in some, in some world, whatever label 00:15:58.454 --> 00:15:59.714 you want to put it, I am a creator. 00:15:59.725 --> 00:16:02.884 So I would like to be able to film this process. 00:16:03.295 --> 00:16:07.175 I would like to be able to have, uh, guides would be taken out. 00:16:07.205 --> 00:16:10.625 I would like to be able to go do the whole thing, you know, the week out there, the 00:16:10.655 --> 00:16:13.205 track the animal, find the animal, um. 00:16:13.690 --> 00:16:15.400 Uh, I would like to do it one of two ways. 00:16:15.430 --> 00:16:17.500 Everyone tells me to do it via rifle. 00:16:17.650 --> 00:16:19.320 Canada's weird about guns, you know that. 00:16:19.320 --> 00:16:22.090 So I don't know the lines and limits around that and 00:16:22.090 --> 00:16:23.580 that, or, and, or with a bow. 00:16:24.069 --> 00:16:27.160 And so I was supposed to get hooked up with a bow with another company 00:16:27.160 --> 00:16:31.160 that fell through, so I never got one, but I'd like to do a bow, um, 00:16:31.170 --> 00:16:34.510 if I could, there's something more primal about that, that I appreciate. 00:16:34.520 --> 00:16:36.230 There's, it's way harder to do effectively. 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:36.770 Way harder. 00:16:36.880 --> 00:16:37.700 Way harder. 00:16:37.710 --> 00:16:37.730 Yeah. 00:16:37.740 --> 00:16:37.940 Yeah. 00:16:37.940 --> 00:16:38.910 But so is everything else. 00:16:38.930 --> 00:16:40.050 So why not go all the way? 00:16:40.050 --> 00:16:40.060 I 00:16:40.210 --> 00:16:40.630 Travis Bader: like that. 00:16:40.630 --> 00:16:44.090 Kelsi Sheren: And so if I'm going to do it, I want to challenge myself on 00:16:44.220 --> 00:16:50.040 every aspect I can, whether that's the physicality of it, the methodology of 00:16:50.040 --> 00:16:56.579 it, the, um, The breakdown of the animal which requires me to touch the animal 00:16:56.870 --> 00:17:00.930 and then the dissemination of the meat I'd like to give a big chunk of it to 00:17:00.930 --> 00:17:04.079 honor house for their freezers I'd like to take some for our family and then 00:17:04.079 --> 00:17:08.030 separate it out to other families that I know that could use it So there is a 00:17:08.039 --> 00:17:13.035 big Component to it and then I'd like to turn the skull into something Really 00:17:13.035 --> 00:17:15.135 gorgeous that I keep in my studio. 00:17:15.175 --> 00:17:18.525 My girlfriend does this work where they gold leaf things So i'd like to 00:17:18.525 --> 00:17:23.025 do that to the animal and then I would also like to turn the the pelt into 00:17:23.054 --> 00:17:24.624 Something that I can use all the time. 00:17:24.624 --> 00:17:27.375 So I want to use all of the animal and I think it's really important that 00:17:28.295 --> 00:17:32.870 Doing this the reason there's a the film component too is so that You know, 00:17:32.870 --> 00:17:34.050 I don't come from a hunting family. 00:17:34.050 --> 00:17:36.730 They're just my husband, but it's like my son, I want to show him that 00:17:36.730 --> 00:17:40.810 these are all skills and things that we should be learning as human beings. 00:17:41.090 --> 00:17:45.749 And I think that that will also help him understand the life cycle as well, 00:17:46.610 --> 00:17:49.659 because we're big preachers of like, we don't kill things in our house. 00:17:49.700 --> 00:17:50.539 Like we don't kill bugs. 00:17:50.590 --> 00:17:51.169 We don't kill bugs. 00:17:51.180 --> 00:17:51.440 Sure. 00:17:51.469 --> 00:17:54.649 We put cup, plate, under, back outside. 00:17:54.649 --> 00:17:55.450 Thank you for your life. 00:17:55.480 --> 00:17:55.500 Yeah. 00:17:56.060 --> 00:17:57.670 Um, we had a. 00:17:57.879 --> 00:17:57.930 Have you 00:17:57.930 --> 00:17:58.650 Travis Bader: always been that way? 00:17:58.750 --> 00:17:59.689 Kelsi Sheren: Um, yes. 00:18:00.379 --> 00:18:00.409 Travis Bader: Okay. 00:18:00.420 --> 00:18:00.870 Kelsi Sheren: Yeah. 00:18:01.200 --> 00:18:04.139 We have a, I'll show you the video after we had a mother 00:18:04.139 --> 00:18:05.770 raccoon living in the backyard. 00:18:05.970 --> 00:18:06.300 Okay. 00:18:06.790 --> 00:18:10.600 And, um, she had was like, had a damaged eye and so she 00:18:10.600 --> 00:18:12.070 was in our garbage and stuff. 00:18:12.080 --> 00:18:14.369 And it was because one of the neighbors had fed her of course, 00:18:14.620 --> 00:18:17.710 and then she stuck around, but the problem was that she just had babies. 00:18:18.135 --> 00:18:20.965 So I didn't want the babies killed and I didn't want the babies separated. 00:18:20.965 --> 00:18:22.525 So I said, let her live her life right now. 00:18:22.525 --> 00:18:24.205 As long as she's not being aggressive, it's fine. 00:18:24.415 --> 00:18:24.795 Sure enough. 00:18:24.805 --> 00:18:25.325 She's fine. 00:18:25.345 --> 00:18:27.245 She's just digging in the backyard living her life. 00:18:28.394 --> 00:18:31.184 Two days ago, I go outside on the deck and I step on the deck and 00:18:31.184 --> 00:18:33.195 I hear, and I was like, uh oh. 00:18:33.264 --> 00:18:33.394 Yeah, 00:18:33.394 --> 00:18:34.394 Travis Bader: they growl pretty good, don't they? 00:18:34.394 --> 00:18:34.725 But she 00:18:34.735 --> 00:18:35.644 Kelsi Sheren: hadn't up until that point. 00:18:35.644 --> 00:18:38.555 I used to walk right up beside her and be like, mama, what are you doing? 00:18:38.555 --> 00:18:39.825 Can you stop digging up my yard? 00:18:39.825 --> 00:18:41.095 And she would look at me and she would go. 00:18:41.960 --> 00:18:42.750 Travis Bader: Looking for the grubs. 00:18:42.770 --> 00:18:43.700 Kelsi Sheren: I'm not going to stop. 00:18:44.060 --> 00:18:45.149 And, but she wasn't aggressive. 00:18:45.180 --> 00:18:47.010 This was the first time I'd heard her vocalize. 00:18:47.379 --> 00:18:49.320 So I was like, Oh, maybe babies are with her. 00:18:49.570 --> 00:18:51.930 So my thing was like, let the babies get big enough. 00:18:51.930 --> 00:18:53.120 Then we'll call, we'll move them. 00:18:53.669 --> 00:18:57.480 And so babies pop out from under the deck and I just looked at them very calmly. 00:18:57.480 --> 00:18:58.159 I was like, mama. 00:18:58.159 --> 00:19:00.330 And You know you can't be here with your babies. 00:19:00.679 --> 00:19:04.030 She turned and she looked at me and kind of got her back up and said, Hey, you 00:19:04.030 --> 00:19:05.460 cannot be here with your babies mama. 00:19:06.070 --> 00:19:07.189 And I said, you need to go. 00:19:07.239 --> 00:19:09.389 And I'm not kidding, you'll see the video and I'll show it to you. 00:19:09.770 --> 00:19:14.450 She was like, she turns around and all the babies wander off. 00:19:14.450 --> 00:19:17.649 Like I didn't have to yell, didn't have to be aggressive, didn't have to scream. 00:19:17.849 --> 00:19:19.419 I didn't have to do anything and she just left. 00:19:19.700 --> 00:19:21.659 And she hasn't been back and that's been great. 00:19:21.730 --> 00:19:24.830 But my point is, is like, some of the other neighbors wanted her killed. 00:19:24.910 --> 00:19:27.120 And I was like, we're not doing that. 00:19:27.220 --> 00:19:27.770 Like, why? 00:19:27.800 --> 00:19:28.560 We live here. 00:19:28.590 --> 00:19:29.500 We live in her space. 00:19:29.520 --> 00:19:32.810 Why can't we just relocate her to the woods and give her, you know, her kids. 00:19:32.820 --> 00:19:33.590 And you stop feeding 00:19:33.590 --> 00:19:33.760 Travis Bader: them. 00:19:34.910 --> 00:19:36.160 Kelsi Sheren: That's a different, that's a, that's a different 00:19:36.160 --> 00:19:37.109 neighbor and there's a lot there. 00:19:37.250 --> 00:19:37.400 Right. 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:37.430 Okay. 00:19:38.040 --> 00:19:38.070 Fair 00:19:38.070 --> 00:19:38.420 Travis Bader: enough. 00:19:38.709 --> 00:19:42.470 Kelsi Sheren: But anyway, my point is, is no, I have never killed an animal. 00:19:42.920 --> 00:19:47.530 Um, but I don't, I won't do it unless I'm going to eat it. 00:19:47.530 --> 00:19:48.109 Mm 00:19:48.110 --> 00:19:48.580 Travis Bader: hmm. 00:19:50.075 --> 00:19:53.045 I think that, um, well, a couple of things, you know, talking to 00:19:53.045 --> 00:19:54.705 the animals, it's interesting. 00:19:55.635 --> 00:20:00.484 It's not like they're going to speak English or German or understand any 00:20:00.484 --> 00:20:01.745 language that's coming out at it. 00:20:01.745 --> 00:20:04.984 But I do have a feeling that they can pick up on the vibe. 00:20:05.284 --> 00:20:05.414 It's an 00:20:05.415 --> 00:20:06.405 Kelsi Sheren: energy exchange. 00:20:06.815 --> 00:20:07.494 Travis Bader: Energy exchange. 00:20:07.495 --> 00:20:07.945 I love it. 00:20:08.690 --> 00:20:10.150 And I'll talk to the animals all the time. 00:20:10.190 --> 00:20:13.500 And it's, if you talk to them calmly, they'll respond in a certain way. 00:20:13.770 --> 00:20:17.860 They don't understand what you're saying, but somehow just like you can understand 00:20:17.860 --> 00:20:23.019 if a dog's going to maybe get its heckles up, if it's going to, uh, want to bark 00:20:23.020 --> 00:20:24.070 at you, it's going to want to bite. 00:20:24.070 --> 00:20:26.759 If it's scared, you can pick that up without talking dog. 00:20:27.229 --> 00:20:30.780 I'm sure they can pick up what's going on with us without talking human. 00:20:30.980 --> 00:20:31.290 Kelsi Sheren: Of course. 00:20:31.300 --> 00:20:33.640 Travis Bader: So, so I, I, I do subscribe to that. 00:20:33.900 --> 00:20:37.240 Um, and that whole, you know, respect for life sort of thing. 00:20:38.420 --> 00:20:45.090 Like my kids, I bring them up in a hunting environment and my daughter, 00:20:45.100 --> 00:20:49.319 she dances all the time and very studious and she loves coming out 00:20:49.320 --> 00:20:50.809 and being out in the outdoors. 00:20:50.820 --> 00:20:54.449 She just doesn't like the animals, seeing them die, but loves eating meat. 00:20:54.449 --> 00:20:58.150 And, uh, my son, he's into the hunting side of things a bit more, 00:20:58.150 --> 00:21:00.040 but at a very young age, took him up. 00:21:00.040 --> 00:21:04.450 We had a Berkshire pig up in round, um, where was it? 00:21:04.460 --> 00:21:06.210 70 miles, somewhere around there. 00:21:07.010 --> 00:21:09.930 Took them out, they were there for everything other than it getting shot and 00:21:09.930 --> 00:21:11.090 we took them around the corner for that. 00:21:11.090 --> 00:21:16.050 And, uh, then, you know, gutting it and butchering it and the whole process. 00:21:16.050 --> 00:21:20.289 Cause I thought it was extremely important for them to know that meat doesn't just 00:21:20.290 --> 00:21:23.699 come from the grocery store and if they're not eating their meat on their plate, 00:21:24.180 --> 00:21:26.480 what had to happen for them to have that. 00:21:26.970 --> 00:21:32.202 And I think that connection with life and death, just in the animals, uh, you 00:21:32.202 --> 00:21:35.545 know, Has an impact on the connection of life and death between people as 00:21:35.545 --> 00:21:37.015 well and how we treat each other. 00:21:37.045 --> 00:21:41.555 And it's, uh, maybe have a higher value for the other individual 00:21:41.555 --> 00:21:42.385 that you're dealing with. 00:21:42.385 --> 00:21:47.204 Even if you disagree, uh, agree with what they're saying, um, you're not 00:21:47.204 --> 00:21:50.635 on the same side, but you at least have that value structure in place. 00:21:50.635 --> 00:21:53.334 I think it's been a helpful, helpful thing for us anyways. 00:21:53.384 --> 00:21:55.894 Kelsi Sheren: Well, let's look at it from a societal perspective. 00:21:56.235 --> 00:22:00.215 The more we've separated ourselves, the more From hunting and the more 00:22:00.215 --> 00:22:03.155 we've separated ourselves from regenerative farming and the old 00:22:03.155 --> 00:22:06.095 school way of doing things, look at how society has begun to act. 00:22:06.764 --> 00:22:13.744 So I think that when you start to devalue life in ways like, um, going to 00:22:13.744 --> 00:22:17.054 factory farming, you're devaluing life. 00:22:17.084 --> 00:22:19.739 When you go to the way of raising an animal, like factory farms, raise 00:22:19.739 --> 00:22:21.834 them, you're devaluing that life. 00:22:22.155 --> 00:22:23.415 And then when you. 00:22:23.800 --> 00:22:28.320 Put workers in factories similar devaluing of that time in that life 00:22:28.320 --> 00:22:32.620 We'll now look at the way we do it that workaholic lifestyle of Your whole 00:22:32.630 --> 00:22:35.780 purpose is here to work and make more money and to work and make more money. 00:22:35.789 --> 00:22:39.750 We're devaluing our time We're devaluing what it means to be human. 00:22:39.750 --> 00:22:45.149 So I think the more we've pushed away from sustainability and like the individual 00:22:45.570 --> 00:22:49.270 Responsibility, the sustainability where it takes to, whether that's learning 00:22:49.270 --> 00:22:53.060 how to grow your own vegetables and your own food or canning or hunting or 00:22:53.330 --> 00:22:58.320 making clothing or anything where you have to rely on community and purpose 00:22:58.320 --> 00:23:00.459 driven and action and hard things. 00:23:00.760 --> 00:23:05.129 I believe at that time, we've kind of told humans that things are less 00:23:05.130 --> 00:23:08.386 important and those things that are less important involve connection 00:23:08.386 --> 00:23:10.015 to animals and other humans. 00:23:10.015 --> 00:23:12.294 And now people all act like assholes. 00:23:13.155 --> 00:23:13.175 Travis Bader: Yeah. 00:23:13.205 --> 00:23:15.764 Kelsi Sheren: So it feels like there's like a correlation on some level, but you 00:23:15.764 --> 00:23:20.105 could also agree that, you know, uh, forms of religion taken out of things as well 00:23:20.105 --> 00:23:24.294 have also caused this and people having a Northern star or a direction or a light 00:23:24.335 --> 00:23:28.034 to something to focus forward on bigger than themselves, greater than themselves. 00:23:28.544 --> 00:23:31.064 Um, you know, you could argue that's a part of it too, but 00:23:31.064 --> 00:23:32.534 I think, I think that all. 00:23:32.900 --> 00:23:33.970 It all feeds into one. 00:23:34.140 --> 00:23:35.660 Travis Bader: Well, I think you nailed it in the beginning. 00:23:35.660 --> 00:23:38.430 When you talk, one of your pillars you talked about on the whole 00:23:38.430 --> 00:23:41.740 mental health side was community and finding that community. 00:23:41.979 --> 00:23:46.590 And I think when you talk about, uh, religion or if you're from a, a certain 00:23:46.590 --> 00:23:48.890 area, I grew up in Surrey, right? 00:23:49.019 --> 00:23:51.780 I mean, people who grew up in Surrey, they've got a bit of 00:23:51.780 --> 00:23:54.490 a, uh, a common bond, right? 00:23:54.900 --> 00:23:58.680 Uh, maybe because of all the jokes that get told, but, uh, um, yeah. 00:23:58.900 --> 00:24:03.080 You know, uh, that sense of community, when we look at the global structure 00:24:03.080 --> 00:24:08.379 of that, this whole global community that we have and the, um, social media, 00:24:08.379 --> 00:24:12.189 which is supposed to be totally social and connecting us is really isolating us 00:24:12.189 --> 00:24:14.469 and those things that make us distinct. 00:24:15.235 --> 00:24:21.575 Aren't being as celebrated and we are being turned into this homogenous gray 00:24:21.575 --> 00:24:27.565 blob that, uh, with lacks that North star and lacks that community drive. 00:24:27.604 --> 00:24:30.304 Kelsi Sheren: Well, look at countries like, like, look at spaces like 00:24:30.305 --> 00:24:33.824 Europe, Europe still has a lot of the history, a lot of the culture, a lot 00:24:33.825 --> 00:24:36.555 of the aspects of it that, uh, show. 00:24:37.200 --> 00:24:41.740 Creativity that show innovation and engineering and thought, whether 00:24:41.740 --> 00:24:45.280 that's around chapels or whether that's around, uh, churches or it's 00:24:45.280 --> 00:24:47.639 around, um, historical buildings. 00:24:47.639 --> 00:24:51.750 If you come to the Western world, it's very, it's very sanitized. 00:24:51.760 --> 00:24:53.069 Everything looks the same. 00:24:53.070 --> 00:24:54.509 It's very postmodern. 00:24:54.509 --> 00:24:57.779 It's very, you know, I, I saw a nice comparison of this. 00:24:57.779 --> 00:25:01.230 A good, a good example was, uh, there was this video I witnessed and it was, um. 00:25:01.889 --> 00:25:03.919 It was showing Europe, things like that, and it was showing like, 00:25:04.080 --> 00:25:06.899 you know, the poles to block off roads, so that someone can't drive. 00:25:07.169 --> 00:25:09.790 Well, some were very intricate in Europe, and then you come to 00:25:09.790 --> 00:25:12.629 America, and they're just like a, you know, cylinder, like, Right. 00:25:12.679 --> 00:25:13.040 That's it. 00:25:13.259 --> 00:25:21.285 And it's, we've taken the beauty of what was, The human experience and people's 00:25:21.285 --> 00:25:26.564 creativity and people's, uh, way of expressing themselves, whether that 00:25:26.564 --> 00:25:30.884 was just through architecture, whether that was through other forms of design, 00:25:30.894 --> 00:25:34.415 whether that was through, um, you know, fashion, things along those lines. 00:25:34.415 --> 00:25:38.200 We've really, when you're in the Western culture, it's very, You know, 00:25:38.260 --> 00:25:42.310 uh, people walk around in Lululemon pants and, and like sweaters and like, 00:25:42.500 --> 00:25:46.030 that's fine, but you go to France, you go to Italy, you go to Spain, everyone 00:25:46.030 --> 00:25:49.110 is, uh, you know, the women are so beautifully dressed all the time. 00:25:49.110 --> 00:25:54.449 The men are always sharp and put together and it's a different level of respect and, 00:25:54.529 --> 00:26:00.280 and how you view yourself and the culture that is the, the way that they think about 00:26:00.280 --> 00:26:05.790 themselves, meaning they are, they care. 00:26:06.385 --> 00:26:08.475 To preserve individuality. 00:26:08.475 --> 00:26:16.220 They care to preserve, uh, Culture and habits and behaviors from past, 00:26:16.260 --> 00:26:20.309 you know, you look at places like Mexico or Peru or Argentina, it's 00:26:20.309 --> 00:26:22.450 like the colors are so bright. 00:26:22.469 --> 00:26:24.390 The way they dress is so different. 00:26:24.990 --> 00:26:28.989 Just Europe is just like, no, we're good with everyone looking the same, acting the 00:26:28.990 --> 00:26:30.939 same, walking the same, talking the same. 00:26:30.939 --> 00:26:35.199 There isn't a lot of that different cultural influences. 00:26:35.229 --> 00:26:37.820 I mean, You get little spots, right? 00:26:37.820 --> 00:26:39.120 You get like, you'll go down time. 00:26:39.120 --> 00:26:39.310 I care. 00:26:39.310 --> 00:26:40.830 It's like, this is the art district. 00:26:41.180 --> 00:26:43.430 This is like the, you have to have districts now for 00:26:43.430 --> 00:26:45.060 creativity and for difference. 00:26:45.230 --> 00:26:47.520 You can't just be right. 00:26:47.650 --> 00:26:52.019 And so I think as we devalue humans, we devalue hunting. 00:26:52.019 --> 00:26:53.579 We devalue self sufficiency. 00:26:53.580 --> 00:26:54.850 We devalue culture. 00:26:54.850 --> 00:26:57.730 We devalue all of these things and we boil them down to. 00:26:58.595 --> 00:27:04.065 Nine to five, white and gray and black buildings with no community, with no 00:27:04.085 --> 00:27:08.764 purpose, you're going to create a culture of just kind of what we have now, which 00:27:08.764 --> 00:27:13.115 is lack of accountability, lack of care of others, lack of purpose, lack of 00:27:13.115 --> 00:27:19.925 direction, um, lack of work ethic, lack of, um, support for one another, not 00:27:19.925 --> 00:27:23.874 community, but I mean, genuine support for, The next human being standing beside 00:27:23.874 --> 00:27:25.455 you on the bus or the train or whatever. 00:27:25.814 --> 00:27:31.434 They're just, they're, we've, we've boiled people down to just the, another 00:27:31.434 --> 00:27:33.314 body walking through a grocery store. 00:27:34.624 --> 00:27:35.425 Travis Bader: Well, it's interesting. 00:27:35.814 --> 00:27:39.564 I mean, yeah, a lot of places in Europe, a lot of places around the world, but 00:27:39.564 --> 00:27:41.564 there's a respect for the process, right? 00:27:41.564 --> 00:27:43.415 Now it's, this is what we do at lunchtime. 00:27:43.415 --> 00:27:44.764 Here's, here's what we do for dinner. 00:27:44.764 --> 00:27:50.240 We get together and, uh, there's a process for that, um, It's not, 00:27:50.409 --> 00:27:52.449 uh, looked at as that necessity. 00:27:52.449 --> 00:27:54.780 We've got to get food in our face and, uh, onto the next thing. 00:27:55.980 --> 00:27:59.409 That is the thing it, because that's where the people get and come together. 00:27:59.409 --> 00:28:05.349 And, you know, in North America, uh, we've got a long, strong history, hunting 00:28:05.349 --> 00:28:12.539 culture and farming, and, um, that is a process that I think is, is important to 00:28:12.539 --> 00:28:16.200 a lot of people to at least understand, to, to experience and understand, 00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:18.889 because there is a connection with each other and there's a connection to your 00:28:18.889 --> 00:28:24.570 natural environment that, um, that you don't tend to get on a day to day basis. 00:28:25.315 --> 00:28:27.875 You know, you, you talking about this human experience, that's the second time 00:28:27.875 --> 00:28:31.615 you said that today, earlier today in your mental health doc, uh, mental health 00:28:31.625 --> 00:28:34.554 Monday, you're talking about, you were just humans having a human experience. 00:28:35.234 --> 00:28:40.235 And it was, uh, Chardin, uh, Pierre Chardin, who would argue that, 00:28:40.285 --> 00:28:44.090 uh, Uh, we're not humans having a human experience and sometimes a 00:28:44.090 --> 00:28:47.350 spiritual experience or spiritual beings having a human experience. 00:28:47.380 --> 00:28:50.169 And I always thought that was kind of an interesting way to look at it. 00:28:50.490 --> 00:28:54.920 And there's a connectedness to everybody and everything, the trees, 00:28:54.930 --> 00:29:00.009 the plants, the creatures, each other from that perspective, as opposed 00:29:00.020 --> 00:29:01.920 to the individualistic thought. 00:29:01.950 --> 00:29:06.000 Oh, I'm just, I'm just this human, which is separate from the animals 00:29:06.010 --> 00:29:07.270 having the animal experience. 00:29:07.810 --> 00:29:10.200 We're a spiritual being having a human experience. 00:29:10.310 --> 00:29:12.060 I always thought that was kind of a neat way to look at it. 00:29:12.300 --> 00:29:13.350 Kelsi Sheren: I think it's all the same. 00:29:13.610 --> 00:29:15.230 I think it's just, yeah, I really do. 00:29:15.470 --> 00:29:19.150 And I'll tell you why, because I think that the spirit resides in 00:29:19.150 --> 00:29:23.260 the human body because that's how it manifests itself on this earth. 00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:29.020 So I think that we are humans with a spirit that are going through a human 00:29:29.020 --> 00:29:30.350 experience because we are humans. 00:29:30.490 --> 00:29:33.080 I mean, if we were just spirits, you wouldn't see us. 00:29:33.689 --> 00:29:37.379 I mean, I can tell you there's, they're in here in the room, but we're not. 00:29:37.905 --> 00:29:39.115 Visually seeing them. 00:29:39.125 --> 00:29:42.175 Not everyone can visually see them or feel them or whatever. 00:29:42.175 --> 00:29:45.775 And, and, um, so I think if we were, you know, spirits going 00:29:45.775 --> 00:29:48.734 through a human experience, yeah, it makes it's no different where. 00:29:49.275 --> 00:29:52.875 I'm talking about my human meat, my meat suit, and then my soul that 00:29:52.875 --> 00:29:54.925 resides inside that is a spiritual soul. 00:29:55.575 --> 00:29:59.135 This is just the vehicle it's taken hold of, of in this time. 00:29:59.145 --> 00:30:02.995 And I'm really that believer where it's, it's, it's a very strange concept for me. 00:30:03.325 --> 00:30:07.855 The more and more I've kind of dove into myself that I'm consciously 00:30:07.855 --> 00:30:10.605 aware that I am not this. 00:30:12.220 --> 00:30:18.240 I'm super consciously aware that I'm not the, the meat suit I'm in, I'm an energy 00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:20.170 that's in, that's manifested in this. 00:30:20.280 --> 00:30:23.550 Travis Bader: It's like totally, uh, Eckhart Tolle in the dissolution of ego. 00:30:23.560 --> 00:30:23.620 I don't know, 00:30:23.620 --> 00:30:24.810 Kelsi Sheren: you're so much smarter than I am. 00:30:24.820 --> 00:30:25.160 No, I'm 00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:25.400 Travis Bader: not. 00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:26.220 I'm really not. 00:30:27.650 --> 00:30:31.270 Kelsi Sheren: But no, but yeah, I mean, I don't, I'm not, I'm very aware that this 00:30:31.270 --> 00:30:32.820 is just how I'm taking form right now. 00:30:33.690 --> 00:30:37.510 Yeah, it sounds creepy to say it loud, but it's true, and I, and that kind of 00:30:37.520 --> 00:30:41.750 started with the psychedelics too, right, because I was able to separate, separate, 00:30:41.810 --> 00:30:46.750 uh, my experiences from who I am, and, and kind of pull back a bit from them and 00:30:46.750 --> 00:30:49.420 give that 10, 000 view, it's like, oh, of course that makes sense why that would 00:30:49.430 --> 00:30:52.560 happen, and of course that happened, of course that's the emotional response to 00:30:52.560 --> 00:30:53.960 something like that, totally makes sense. 00:30:54.300 --> 00:30:56.800 But you have to be able to remove yourself from that. 00:30:56.800 --> 00:30:58.800 And that took a really long time for me to be able to do that. 00:30:59.180 --> 00:31:02.140 But now that I, I see that, I also see that in life. 00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:06.840 I also see that when I wake up in the morning, I'm lucky that this thing 00:31:06.850 --> 00:31:10.830 keeps, like, my heart keeps pumping because I don't want to not be here. 00:31:11.090 --> 00:31:11.740 You know what I mean? 00:31:11.740 --> 00:31:13.114 Like my energy. 00:31:13.245 --> 00:31:18.215 And what this body has to do for the next X amount of time till my body no 00:31:18.215 --> 00:31:23.315 longer wants to be alive for whatever the reason I'll, I will go off in 00:31:23.315 --> 00:31:26.385 another energy and another thing, whether it's a tree or the ocean or in 00:31:26.385 --> 00:31:30.425 the next realm or over, like, I'm a big believer in, you know, the multiverse. 00:31:30.465 --> 00:31:34.955 I'm a, I'm a big believer in that when you raise your vibration, you step into a new 00:31:34.955 --> 00:31:36.605 version of that multiverse that you were. 00:31:36.635 --> 00:31:40.785 So when people, you Ask about, you know, hard things or doing hard things or, 00:31:41.385 --> 00:31:43.625 or evolving or learning something new. 00:31:43.625 --> 00:31:45.285 I feel like every time you become. 00:31:45.825 --> 00:31:49.625 A little more advanced, I, you learn a new task, you, you learn how to 00:31:49.635 --> 00:31:51.765 handle a behavior, you level up. 00:31:51.795 --> 00:31:53.155 I feel like it's a video game. 00:31:53.165 --> 00:31:57.215 Like, I feel like my life is a video game in the sense that if I go do X, 00:31:57.215 --> 00:32:01.015 Y, and Z, my vibration changes and goes to here, boop, new level achieved. 00:32:01.035 --> 00:32:04.865 I go do X, Y, and Z, my vibration changes, boop, and I just keep going. 00:32:05.825 --> 00:32:09.195 And so that's why sometimes when people are like, Oh, it's literally, I had 00:32:09.195 --> 00:32:10.965 somebody say to me recently, it was Dr. 00:32:10.965 --> 00:32:11.455 Mark Gordon. 00:32:11.455 --> 00:32:14.225 He goes, it blows my mind in the timeframe that I've known you 00:32:14.325 --> 00:32:15.635 for what you've been able to do. 00:32:15.915 --> 00:32:16.965 So it doesn't blow my mind. 00:32:17.980 --> 00:32:18.490 He goes, why? 00:32:18.500 --> 00:32:20.050 I said, cause this is just all levels. 00:32:20.070 --> 00:32:21.020 There's levels to shit. 00:32:21.030 --> 00:32:23.870 When people say there's levels to this, there's levels to this shit. 00:32:23.940 --> 00:32:25.190 Travis Bader: It's turtles all the way down. 00:32:25.280 --> 00:32:26.910 Kelsi Sheren: All the way, all the way. 00:32:27.080 --> 00:32:29.680 And I believe that, and I know people have a hard time with it, but it's 00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:34.670 like, I think that the soul exists in order to complete said task. 00:32:34.670 --> 00:32:36.640 Once task is complete, that soul will move on. 00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:42.100 So I don't know necessarily what my end task is, but I know that I'm on the 00:32:42.100 --> 00:32:45.475 right path because everything, you know, it's There's too many synchronicities 00:32:45.475 --> 00:32:49.805 in my life on a weekly and daily basis that there's no way that I'm 00:32:49.805 --> 00:32:50.905 not on the right path at this point. 00:32:51.500 --> 00:32:53.400 Travis Bader: Man, you just opened up so many doors in here. 00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:54.703 I know, I'm so sorry. 00:32:54.703 --> 00:32:58.110 And honestly, a bunch of them align with some of the questions I have. 00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:01.120 That I figured I'd never get around to be to ask you on this one, 00:33:01.120 --> 00:33:02.550 but, uh, but they're aligning. 00:33:02.910 --> 00:33:09.280 Um, so how, so 15 years, we're looking at 15 years, uh, if people 00:33:09.280 --> 00:33:12.260 want to get, you, you've told the story in a lot of different places. 00:33:12.300 --> 00:33:15.110 Um, you've got a book, Brass in Unity. 00:33:17.260 --> 00:33:18.490 They can get into the story. 00:33:18.500 --> 00:33:20.630 You've get, you've given the gist of what it is. 00:33:20.670 --> 00:33:27.900 Um, how, how, well, a few things like number one, hunting, how far, 00:33:28.010 --> 00:33:31.930 how much is that intertwined with this journey that you're, you've been 00:33:31.930 --> 00:33:34.090 going on, healing and recovering. 00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:39.930 And at the same time, I'm also going to ask, uh, related, but separate. 00:33:40.380 --> 00:33:43.730 How has Peterson's advice that he gave you about, about touching the, 00:33:44.190 --> 00:33:47.250 touching the, uh, picture of the meat, the exposure therapy essentially. 00:33:47.280 --> 00:33:47.500 Kelsi Sheren: Yeah. 00:33:47.660 --> 00:33:51.009 Travis Bader: Uh, how has that, uh, played out for you? 00:33:51.010 --> 00:33:51.360 Kelsi Sheren: Yeah. 00:33:51.370 --> 00:33:54.610 So, uh, exposure therapy sucks. 00:33:54.820 --> 00:33:56.020 It's designed to suck. 00:33:56.270 --> 00:33:57.080 It's going to suck. 00:33:57.130 --> 00:34:00.554 I think if you've had hard things in your life, when you're, when you're. 00:34:00.825 --> 00:34:02.945 Asking yourself to go re expose yourself to them. 00:34:02.975 --> 00:34:06.025 It's going to be uncomfortable, but in order to grow, you have to get up 00:34:06.035 --> 00:34:08.395 really uncomfortable to genuinely grow. 00:34:08.775 --> 00:34:10.675 So I'm always willing to do that. 00:34:10.675 --> 00:34:13.475 I'm at that point in where I am as a human, where I know that if 00:34:13.475 --> 00:34:15.935 I want to hit the next level, I got to do the thing, do the thing. 00:34:15.935 --> 00:34:16.655 I get the next level. 00:34:17.005 --> 00:34:19.895 So, um, remove the emotion from it. 00:34:19.905 --> 00:34:24.065 So it's hard to remove emotion from something like this, like 00:34:24.065 --> 00:34:25.475 it is for a lot of things. 00:34:25.805 --> 00:34:26.235 But. 00:34:26.575 --> 00:34:27.345 I know it's possible. 00:34:27.345 --> 00:34:28.205 I know it's doable. 00:34:28.415 --> 00:34:30.915 And so, uh, when I touched the photo, he warned me, he's like, 00:34:30.925 --> 00:34:33.255 you're going to not sleep well. 00:34:33.385 --> 00:34:33.675 Travis Bader: And? 00:34:33.865 --> 00:34:34.515 Kelsi Sheren: Watch your dreams. 00:34:34.575 --> 00:34:35.955 Oh, I didn't sleep for like three weeks. 00:34:37.075 --> 00:34:37.705 Yeah, it was rough. 00:34:37.935 --> 00:34:39.215 And it was like, he's like, print the photo. 00:34:39.235 --> 00:34:39.585 He's like, okay. 00:34:39.615 --> 00:34:41.485 So he said to me at the, I'll give the story. 00:34:41.495 --> 00:34:41.855 So at the. 00:34:42.300 --> 00:34:46.720 I was talking to Jordan before we recorded and he was asking me, you know, very 00:34:46.720 --> 00:34:50.580 sincerely and, and I'll remember his, you know, that, that episode with him 00:34:50.580 --> 00:34:53.620 and hopefully I get to see him again at another point, but I'll remember 00:34:53.620 --> 00:34:57.420 it because when we were speaking, he will be one of the top five memories 00:34:57.420 --> 00:34:59.460 I have because of the energy exchange. 00:35:00.710 --> 00:35:04.210 He can hold a space like unlike anybody I've ever met in my whole life. 00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:09.000 And I feel like I've met a lot of people that can do this well, but he's a, 00:35:09.010 --> 00:35:10.570 there's something, there's something. 00:35:10.805 --> 00:35:14.735 Different he's again, that energy going through a human experience 00:35:14.735 --> 00:35:17.525 that has, uh, a point in a purpose. 00:35:17.635 --> 00:35:19.415 Travis Bader: Can you tell me what holding a space means? 00:35:19.415 --> 00:35:22.865 Cause I just, I had to look it up after you mentioned it before it was new to 00:35:22.865 --> 00:35:24.165 me, but just so everyone else knows. 00:35:24.175 --> 00:35:24.375 No 00:35:24.385 --> 00:35:25.235 Kelsi Sheren: holding spaces. 00:35:25.595 --> 00:35:26.895 Just what you're doing for me right now. 00:35:27.325 --> 00:35:31.425 You're giving the space for me to talk about something hard and difficult 00:35:31.705 --> 00:35:37.445 while being empathetic and not trying to interject or not trying to, um, correct 00:35:37.505 --> 00:35:40.385 or not trying to fix, but just to be. 00:35:41.115 --> 00:35:42.015 And so you're just being. 00:35:42.310 --> 00:35:46.040 And that's what holding a space is now when Jordan holds a space though, he's 00:35:46.040 --> 00:35:50.240 six foot three or four and I'm five foot and when he towers over you and looks 00:35:50.240 --> 00:35:52.340 at you like that, two things happen. 00:35:52.390 --> 00:35:55.260 You feel seen and heard and valued everyone. 00:35:55.660 --> 00:35:58.120 And even though it's his show, it's about you. 00:35:58.150 --> 00:36:01.990 So he makes you feel like you have the space to just go. 00:36:02.690 --> 00:36:04.294 And that's why he gets the best out of his, you know, 00:36:04.795 --> 00:36:06.085 Uh, his guests, in my opinion. 00:36:06.685 --> 00:36:12.595 So, so with Jordan, he said to me, Hey, like, that still got you. 00:36:12.635 --> 00:36:14.195 So, I have an idea. 00:36:14.195 --> 00:36:15.345 Why don't you do this? 00:36:15.385 --> 00:36:17.495 And he goes, I want you to watch your dreams after this. 00:36:17.535 --> 00:36:21.485 He goes, I want you to print off a photo of me, and I want you to just boop it. 00:36:21.765 --> 00:36:24.815 Just give it a boop, boop, and see how it does. 00:36:24.835 --> 00:36:27.305 And then after that, I want you to put your whole hand on the photo. 00:36:28.150 --> 00:36:29.300 And see if you can leave it there. 00:36:29.370 --> 00:36:32.540 And then after that, you're going to, you know, over time, you're going to boop 00:36:32.540 --> 00:36:36.890 the meat and then you're going to try to put your hand on the meat, knowing that 00:36:36.890 --> 00:36:39.400 that can cause, you know, it's going to cause issues in your sleep, your 00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:42.170 cortisol, all of the stuff that's going to send your nervous system haywire. 00:36:42.630 --> 00:36:45.530 But the hope is that I've learned enough tools in the toolbox now. 00:36:46.070 --> 00:36:50.880 That when these things happen, hopefully over time and, and more and more exposure, 00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:54.110 the body starts to acclimate, the nervous system starts to relax a little bit 00:36:54.110 --> 00:36:57.750 and realize it's not under threat and that I am safe and that it's okay and 00:36:57.750 --> 00:37:00.470 it doesn't have to go into a cortisol spike or in a fight or flight state. 00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:03.060 And so I'm working on that. 00:37:03.070 --> 00:37:04.820 That is a, that is the, uh. 00:37:05.805 --> 00:37:07.955 That is the progression of healing. 00:37:07.955 --> 00:37:09.245 That is the exposure therapy. 00:37:09.245 --> 00:37:11.195 So I'm not like pushing it too hard, but I'm being conscious 00:37:11.195 --> 00:37:12.195 of it and working toward it. 00:37:12.365 --> 00:37:12.885 Travis Bader: Mm 00:37:12.965 --> 00:37:13.285 Kelsi Sheren: hmm. 00:37:13.285 --> 00:37:13.634 Mm hmm. 00:37:13.635 --> 00:37:14.955 And what was the first one you asked? 00:37:16.235 --> 00:37:20.085 Travis Bader: The, uh, correlation with the, the hunting towards your. 00:37:20.325 --> 00:37:20.655 Kelsi Sheren: Yeah. 00:37:20.665 --> 00:37:21.295 Sorry about that. 00:37:21.485 --> 00:37:24.934 Um, so correlation with hunting and healing is, um. 00:37:25.505 --> 00:37:29.405 An important one for me because I've always had the goal of I've 00:37:29.415 --> 00:37:33.885 wanted to hunt, but I, and I've been given a couple opportunities, but 00:37:33.885 --> 00:37:35.365 they weren't, they didn't work out. 00:37:35.395 --> 00:37:36.045 They weren't right. 00:37:36.055 --> 00:37:37.405 They weren't whatever the reason. 00:37:37.825 --> 00:37:41.885 And I know that when I do get the opportunity, it's not going 00:37:41.885 --> 00:37:43.015 to be a small thing for me. 00:37:43.170 --> 00:37:46.650 It's going to be a really big, big thing, and I needed an environment 00:37:46.650 --> 00:37:51.190 around me that if I am able to do it and say, I get halfway through an 00:37:51.190 --> 00:37:53.220 animal and I can no longer continue. 00:37:53.230 --> 00:37:55.300 Somebody else will be there to support me and take over. 00:37:55.690 --> 00:37:57.880 I need to feel like the container is there. 00:37:58.470 --> 00:38:03.810 And so, The journey to healing is really that it's, you know, it's being able 00:38:03.810 --> 00:38:06.420 to touch the meat, but then it comes into a whole different ballgame of 00:38:06.420 --> 00:38:10.920 healing, which is that feeling safe and feeling like I can provide within my 00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:15.164 own family, especially in a day and age like right now, where I'm not alone. 00:38:15.705 --> 00:38:19.015 There's always a bit of a weird uncertainty in the world, whether that's 00:38:19.015 --> 00:38:23.015 around food scarcity, whether that's around impending wars or nuclear war, 00:38:23.015 --> 00:38:27.615 or whether that's around sickness or whatever, but what I learned during 00:38:27.665 --> 00:38:30.375 the C word, I don't know if we can say, because I don't want to ban on YouTube, 00:38:30.425 --> 00:38:37.400 the C word is that in Canada, When they decide that you're going to not do 00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:40.540 something, they're going to impose it, and they're going to hold it as long as 00:38:40.540 --> 00:38:45.180 they physically can, and I am no longer going to abide by anything that this 00:38:45.180 --> 00:38:49.560 government says I can and cannot do in the sense that I am my own person with 00:38:49.560 --> 00:38:53.710 my own property that I own that I want to be able to maintain and do whatever 00:38:53.710 --> 00:38:58.285 I need to do, and that means if I You're telling me that we're buying too much beef 00:38:58.285 --> 00:38:59.875 and you want to turn my bank account off. 00:38:59.875 --> 00:39:00.825 It won't matter to me. 00:39:00.875 --> 00:39:02.215 You can do whatever you want. 00:39:02.245 --> 00:39:03.285 I don't give a shit. 00:39:03.305 --> 00:39:04.495 I'm going to find a way around it. 00:39:04.855 --> 00:39:07.135 And that comes down to that self sufficiency. 00:39:07.425 --> 00:39:08.805 And we grow our own food. 00:39:09.005 --> 00:39:10.325 We grow our own vegetables. 00:39:10.325 --> 00:39:11.235 We do all of that. 00:39:11.495 --> 00:39:12.945 Um, we have our own gardens. 00:39:12.985 --> 00:39:14.085 That's really important to me. 00:39:14.125 --> 00:39:16.025 And now the meat side is a different ballgame. 00:39:16.515 --> 00:39:17.735 You want to turn everything off. 00:39:17.805 --> 00:39:19.435 You want to tell me I can't go buy more meat. 00:39:19.595 --> 00:39:20.585 That's perfectly fine. 00:39:21.125 --> 00:39:25.385 It won't affect me or my family or people around me in my community, 00:39:25.625 --> 00:39:28.285 because I will show up and be able to deal with it myself. 00:39:29.235 --> 00:39:29.605 Travis Bader: It's funny. 00:39:29.615 --> 00:39:32.075 It took me a second there to understand what the C word was. 00:39:32.185 --> 00:39:32.725 And, uh. 00:39:33.405 --> 00:39:34.815 Kelsi Sheren: It could be so many things with me. 00:39:34.825 --> 00:39:38.215 Travis Bader: It's my boat's name, the C word. 00:39:38.365 --> 00:39:41.175 Um, but, um. 00:39:42.090 --> 00:39:44.350 A lot of Australian folk think that's just hilarious. 00:39:44.850 --> 00:39:45.960 It's funny in our culture. 00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:48.520 They don't, people don't seem to pick up on the joke. 00:39:48.610 --> 00:39:48.720 I 00:39:48.780 --> 00:39:49.460 Kelsi Sheren: say it all the time. 00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:49.990 Travis Bader: Yeah. 00:39:49.990 --> 00:39:51.730 Well, it's, it's actually called the C word. 00:39:51.990 --> 00:39:52.310 That's perfect. 00:39:52.310 --> 00:39:58.610 But, um, cause of the double entendre, um, but Todd Heisey, he's got a organization. 00:39:58.610 --> 00:39:59.690 He's a veteran. 00:39:59.830 --> 00:40:02.180 Um, he's been on the podcast before. 00:40:02.570 --> 00:40:04.400 He's got an organization called veteran hunters. 00:40:05.040 --> 00:40:10.210 Um, that would be an interesting place for you to, to look at and go to. 00:40:10.740 --> 00:40:15.660 Um, I, I guess my, my thoughts are like, it's nice to be around other people 00:40:15.660 --> 00:40:18.730 who have shared experiences and you've got that community and all the rest. 00:40:19.390 --> 00:40:24.060 Uh, but is that difficult being around other people who are also, uh, veteran 00:40:24.060 --> 00:40:29.540 hunters is for people with, uh, PTSD or for, uh, post traumatic stress 00:40:29.630 --> 00:40:35.410 injuries, um, to connect with nature, to go out hunting, be around other people. 00:40:35.990 --> 00:40:38.824 But do you find yourself, if you start seeking out other people? 00:40:39.055 --> 00:40:44.695 Other people that have the same, um, the same struggles that you 00:40:44.695 --> 00:40:46.005 have that is hard to get out. 00:40:46.845 --> 00:40:50.485 Kelsi Sheren: I find personally, there's levels to healing as well. 00:40:51.385 --> 00:40:57.025 And, uh, that time that I go the first time I go, no, I don't really want to 00:40:57.025 --> 00:40:59.415 go with anybody who is not where I'm at. 00:40:59.845 --> 00:41:03.625 And, and that doesn't mean that I'm better than anyone. 00:41:03.825 --> 00:41:08.225 It means that I've hit a certain level of healing where certain things I, you 00:41:08.225 --> 00:41:10.635 know, I just don't want to sit down and talk about my deployment anymore. 00:41:10.695 --> 00:41:13.445 I don't, I don't want to talk about the good old days. 00:41:13.875 --> 00:41:14.855 That's not where I'm going. 00:41:14.905 --> 00:41:15.635 I don't look there. 00:41:15.935 --> 00:41:18.795 Um, I want to talk about business. 00:41:18.865 --> 00:41:20.975 I want to talk about, uh, growth. 00:41:21.035 --> 00:41:24.615 I want to talk about, um, you know, world domination plans. 00:41:24.635 --> 00:41:26.515 I want to talk about next level shit. 00:41:26.555 --> 00:41:28.125 I want to talk about what are you doing? 00:41:28.135 --> 00:41:28.705 Are you doing that? 00:41:28.705 --> 00:41:28.925 Like. 00:41:29.995 --> 00:41:34.725 All my conversations, I feel like if I'm taking time, hours and hours out 00:41:34.725 --> 00:41:40.975 of a day, I want to leave better, but I want to have learned something, I 00:41:40.975 --> 00:41:45.175 want to have caught something in that, um, and, and that is, here's the thing, 00:41:45.175 --> 00:41:48.265 that's really hard for people around me, and I know that I ask a lot of people, 00:41:48.275 --> 00:41:51.435 so I'm aware that sometimes people just want to ask how the weather is. 00:41:51.865 --> 00:41:52.145 Hmm. 00:41:52.405 --> 00:41:55.535 And I'm aware that some people just want to know how your kid's doing in school. 00:41:56.085 --> 00:41:58.455 And I am aware you just want to tell me what you did on the 00:41:58.455 --> 00:42:00.545 weekend, but that kills my soul. 00:42:00.865 --> 00:42:00.955 100%. 00:42:01.035 --> 00:42:02.005 Every time we have those conversations. 00:42:02.005 --> 00:42:03.305 Travis Bader: 100%. 00:42:03.355 --> 00:42:03.535 Yeah. 00:42:04.170 --> 00:42:07.060 ADHD thing or the kissing thing or what. 00:42:07.160 --> 00:42:08.170 No, it's, 00:42:08.180 --> 00:42:12.140 Kelsi Sheren: uh, I value this life and every single minute in it so 00:42:12.140 --> 00:42:15.000 much so that if I don't feel like I'm learning, I'm healing, I'm 00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:18.190 growing, I'm, I'm feeling enriched. 00:42:18.740 --> 00:42:21.010 Um, it's really hard for me. 00:42:21.870 --> 00:42:25.560 Travis Bader: How, how long did that take for you to realize that, to realize that 00:42:25.560 --> 00:42:29.310 you don't have to talk about things over and over again in order to make it better? 00:42:29.750 --> 00:42:34.310 Because I have a feeling that I'll, I'll just, I'll put my thought out there, but 00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:35.560 you can tell me if I'm right or wrong. 00:42:36.300 --> 00:42:41.010 The Peterson suggestion or the touching and exposure therapy is probably 00:42:41.010 --> 00:42:45.360 not the one thing that's going to get you, uh, touching meat again. 00:42:46.080 --> 00:42:48.830 Kelsi Sheren: I think it's a start in getting me uncomfortable to see, 00:42:48.930 --> 00:42:51.260 to see where my nervous system is, how it's going to react, right? 00:42:51.260 --> 00:42:53.670 You never want to throw, like, I'll give you an example. 00:42:53.670 --> 00:42:55.940 You never want to throw somebody in a firefight until they've 00:42:55.940 --> 00:42:57.350 done a pretend firefight before. 00:42:57.920 --> 00:42:58.430 Travis Bader: Sure. 00:42:58.460 --> 00:42:59.410 Kelsi Sheren: So I'll give you the example. 00:42:59.810 --> 00:43:04.134 When we were in Texas doing, uh, sorry, we were in Alberta in winter doing, doing 00:43:04.285 --> 00:43:08.415 Training for Afghanistan and let me try that again when we're in Wainwright, 00:43:08.435 --> 00:43:13.675 Alberta in October, November doing workup training for Afghanistan and 50 00:43:13.675 --> 00:43:16.285 degree heat in the winter of Alberta. 00:43:16.285 --> 00:43:17.625 I think I said that right. 00:43:18.215 --> 00:43:20.125 We, we, you know, we were. 00:43:20.675 --> 00:43:24.305 We were doing exercises where all of a sudden we had like multi unit 00:43:24.315 --> 00:43:26.325 exercises and we had five live rounds. 00:43:26.595 --> 00:43:30.735 You have to expose yourself to a hard, hard thing to see how your body 00:43:30.735 --> 00:43:33.825 and brain are going to react before you throw somebody fully into it. 00:43:34.285 --> 00:43:38.565 Now, so for me, that's how that feels currently. 00:43:38.925 --> 00:43:42.975 Um, I don't know how well I would quite respond if I had to like bare hand 00:43:42.975 --> 00:43:44.805 a steak right off the bat right now. 00:43:45.145 --> 00:43:48.430 Um, But I understand the concept. 00:43:48.430 --> 00:43:51.250 So I also am a big, big believer, depending on who you work 00:43:51.250 --> 00:43:54.260 with is depending on how much bullshit they're feeding you. 00:43:54.540 --> 00:43:55.190 So Dr. 00:43:55.190 --> 00:43:58.990 Passi has a really good habit of telling me to fuck all the way off about things. 00:43:59.010 --> 00:44:03.240 If I'm just whining, you know, I, he's been doing this, he's 00:44:03.240 --> 00:44:05.990 been in the game over 40 years, the guy's a vet and he's a medic. 00:44:05.990 --> 00:44:06.990 He was a Lieutenant Crowley. 00:44:06.990 --> 00:44:07.630 He doesn't give a shit. 00:44:07.640 --> 00:44:09.890 He's like, you're, you're, you're, don't do that. 00:44:10.140 --> 00:44:11.070 Travis Bader: And you respond well to that. 00:44:11.240 --> 00:44:12.100 Kelsi Sheren: But I respond well to that. 00:44:12.500 --> 00:44:16.555 And so I think that there is, there's As much as, uh, at the beginning, we 00:44:16.555 --> 00:44:19.125 would go through a bit of exposure therapy, tell me about it, tell 00:44:19.125 --> 00:44:20.035 me about it, tell me about it. 00:44:20.085 --> 00:44:21.845 It was more for him to understand what happened. 00:44:22.235 --> 00:44:24.885 And I'm a big believer, it was more for him to understand what happened and the 00:44:24.885 --> 00:44:26.985 levels and the layers to what happened. 00:44:27.295 --> 00:44:30.875 So that he understood, okay, this was what it looked like on the outside. 00:44:31.045 --> 00:44:32.875 This is how she was feeling in the situation. 00:44:32.895 --> 00:44:34.855 This is what her body did in the situation. 00:44:34.865 --> 00:44:36.375 And this is how it manifested. 00:44:36.715 --> 00:44:37.755 So there's those layers. 00:44:38.125 --> 00:44:40.865 But if you don't ask somebody, if you ask somebody one time. 00:44:40.865 --> 00:44:47.090 For It's hard, it's hard to really go to, okay, what, what did that do morally? 00:44:47.100 --> 00:44:48.260 What did that do emotionally? 00:44:48.340 --> 00:44:49.300 Like, what did that do? 00:44:49.890 --> 00:44:54.100 But then there is those doctors who just want you to do the self licking ice cream 00:44:54.100 --> 00:44:56.290 cone thing so that they can keep billing. 00:44:56.660 --> 00:44:59.720 Travis Bader: Well, how many times can you go down that same dirt road without 00:44:59.720 --> 00:45:00.944 wearing ruts in there that are, you know. 00:45:01.245 --> 00:45:02.835 Getting more and more difficult to get out of. 00:45:02.895 --> 00:45:04.575 Kelsi Sheren: Well, that's not neural feedback loop, right? 00:45:04.575 --> 00:45:04.576 Right. 00:45:04.581 --> 00:45:07.905 So how many times do we wanna keep giving that exposure therapy so it, it builds. 00:45:07.905 --> 00:45:09.285 So there has to be a purpose Right. 00:45:09.315 --> 00:45:10.425 To every time you're doing it. 00:45:10.515 --> 00:45:10.545 Okay. 00:45:11.995 --> 00:45:14.845 So I did that for, I mean, we didn't do that kind of 00:45:14.845 --> 00:45:16.165 exposure therapy for 10 years. 00:45:16.165 --> 00:45:19.705 I may Haveve been with him since 2011, so we're over 10 years, but we, and 00:45:19.710 --> 00:45:22.945 we work on, like, there's evolutions to the stuff we work on, right? 00:45:22.950 --> 00:45:23.110 Mm-Hmm. 00:45:23.490 --> 00:45:26.385 . Um, and so there was a period of time there where Yeah, we had to 00:45:26.385 --> 00:45:28.485 talk about it a lot because I either. 00:45:29.330 --> 00:45:31.330 Couldn't face some of the things I was saying. 00:45:31.330 --> 00:45:32.960 I wasn't ready to say them out loud. 00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:35.650 I wasn't ready to admit like, you know, So there's there's 00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:37.090 those layers and that takes time. 00:45:37.230 --> 00:45:38.800 But again, there's a great book. 00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:41.900 I think it's Abigail Schreier the bad therapy one That just came out. 00:45:42.300 --> 00:45:42.330 Okay. 00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:44.920 Um, I'm pretty sure it was Abigail that wrote that. 00:45:44.970 --> 00:45:48.050 Uh, yes, cuz Annie did the other way So there's a lot of things But two of my 00:45:48.050 --> 00:45:51.950 favorite authors I feel are so similar, Abigail Schreier, she wrote this book 00:45:51.950 --> 00:45:55.770 called Bad Therapy, and it talks about kids who were exposed to therapy really 00:45:55.770 --> 00:45:59.350 young and how some of these, you know, psychotherapists work and it's, you 00:45:59.350 --> 00:46:02.750 know, let me talk, tell me more about you, tell me more about your problem. 00:46:02.750 --> 00:46:05.180 And they're constantly affirming that, oh, yes, this is about you, 00:46:05.180 --> 00:46:06.550 about you, about you, about you. 00:46:06.870 --> 00:46:10.060 So then the person is me, me, me, me, me, and that's all that matters to the world. 00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:12.540 So there, there can do damage. 00:46:12.540 --> 00:46:13.480 You can do damage there. 00:46:13.490 --> 00:46:13.770 Right? 00:46:13.770 --> 00:46:18.435 So you have to be careful to not fall into the The the trap that 00:46:18.445 --> 00:46:21.985 happens a lot to veterans and first responders, which is I am my injury. 00:46:22.055 --> 00:46:23.035 I'm Kelsey Sharon. 00:46:23.175 --> 00:46:24.335 I have post traumatic stress disorder. 00:46:24.365 --> 00:46:25.295 I'm an injured veteran. 00:46:26.185 --> 00:46:27.165 No, that's not true. 00:46:27.265 --> 00:46:28.135 I'm Kelsey Sharon. 00:46:28.145 --> 00:46:30.315 I went to war and from war. 00:46:30.315 --> 00:46:34.685 I have post traumatic stress injury, which can be healed and fix and I'm not broken. 00:46:34.685 --> 00:46:36.375 And it was a situation that happened to me. 00:46:36.375 --> 00:46:37.295 It's not all of me. 00:46:37.515 --> 00:46:38.005 Mm hmm. 00:46:38.035 --> 00:46:38.305 Right. 00:46:38.525 --> 00:46:39.855 So it's how you choose to see it. 00:46:39.875 --> 00:46:42.595 It's how you are shown the tools. 00:46:42.735 --> 00:46:44.165 It's how you're spoken to about it. 00:46:44.205 --> 00:46:49.175 It's how it's perceived, um, to your staff, meaning after that, how they 00:46:49.175 --> 00:46:50.905 perceive it is how they will handle it. 00:46:50.925 --> 00:46:53.285 Whether they'll medicate it, whether the med release, whether 00:46:53.335 --> 00:46:55.575 they'll, um, completely ignore it. 00:46:55.695 --> 00:46:59.835 So there's all these different, um, how it's expressed and how it's perceived 00:46:59.845 --> 00:47:03.305 by that person will then indicate how it's going to be responded to, which 00:47:03.415 --> 00:47:06.855 often can tell you how that person's going to do for, for the next few years. 00:47:06.855 --> 00:47:06.874 Mm hmm. 00:47:07.765 --> 00:47:10.165 Travis Bader: Was there a light bulb moment at one point? 00:47:10.175 --> 00:47:12.115 Did you see a bunch of different people that just weren't working 00:47:12.115 --> 00:47:14.555 and all of a sudden you got to see someone who was like, aha. 00:47:15.355 --> 00:47:17.975 Kelsi Sheren: No, I was, so after, after, after Afghanistan, so I 00:47:17.975 --> 00:47:19.205 was diagnosed in Afghanistan. 00:47:19.905 --> 00:47:22.035 So I went on the operation, I came back. 00:47:22.405 --> 00:47:23.965 Um, things were not good. 00:47:23.965 --> 00:47:24.555 I wasn't sleeping. 00:47:24.555 --> 00:47:25.385 I wasn't eating. 00:47:25.805 --> 00:47:30.595 And then they sent, um, they sent me to the hospital and I saw a psych 00:47:30.605 --> 00:47:34.065 there at Cath and he was like, this looks like acute post traumatic 00:47:34.065 --> 00:47:37.305 stress disorder, um, based on the operation that you were just on. 00:47:38.570 --> 00:47:41.650 I had to do like a statement for multiple days where the British MP 00:47:41.660 --> 00:47:45.840 had to sit there and hand write my testimony because we were involved 00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:47.020 in the death and body collection. 00:47:47.020 --> 00:47:49.670 When you do that, all of our stories have to line up, right? 00:47:49.710 --> 00:47:50.300 Obviously. 00:47:50.990 --> 00:47:52.620 That's why you sit with the military police. 00:47:52.930 --> 00:47:57.190 And so we were going through all of that and it was this constant exposure, right? 00:47:57.200 --> 00:47:57.920 Right from there. 00:47:57.920 --> 00:47:58.860 Like, she's going to tell me about it. 00:47:58.860 --> 00:47:59.110 Okay. 00:47:59.110 --> 00:48:01.940 Then what, who ran where, and then who was with you and then who grabbed what? 00:48:01.970 --> 00:48:05.840 And so it was very, I was already being grilled in that way where 00:48:05.840 --> 00:48:08.215 it was, you know, Like, I don't want to talk about it again. 00:48:08.215 --> 00:48:12.985 I don't want to talk about it again, and then, uh, they gave me all these drugs, 00:48:13.205 --> 00:48:16.305 tons of drugs, and then I went on my HLTA, so if people don't know what that 00:48:16.305 --> 00:48:19.315 is, that's the holiday break that you get on your deployment, you go away, I 00:48:19.315 --> 00:48:22.795 think it's like two or three weeks, you go to wherever you want to go, and so, 00:48:22.825 --> 00:48:25.865 I went on that HLTA, it went terribly. 00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:26.790 I wonder why. 00:48:27.190 --> 00:48:30.100 And then at that time when we were gone, we lost a few Canadians. 00:48:30.130 --> 00:48:32.940 So then I was really struggling with not being in the country when people 00:48:32.940 --> 00:48:34.380 are like, our people were being killed. 00:48:34.680 --> 00:48:36.140 And then, so that was making it worse. 00:48:36.150 --> 00:48:40.440 So by the time I got back, I went back out to the FOB and, um, I was working 00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:43.690 and doing my thing, but I was on all of these different pharmaceutical drugs 00:48:44.080 --> 00:48:45.910 and my staff didn't know about it. 00:48:46.380 --> 00:48:46.990 So. 00:48:47.305 --> 00:48:50.835 What had happened is, at that point, some situations went down, I end up 00:48:50.835 --> 00:48:53.705 getting sent back to CAF, and then I end up getting sent back to Canada, 00:48:53.705 --> 00:48:55.955 I think it was like about three weeks earlier, before the rest of my unit, 00:48:56.285 --> 00:48:58.525 got to my unit, and they said, you're done, you're going to the hospital. 00:48:58.995 --> 00:49:03.405 So then I got sent right to, uh, Ottawa, and I was with, uh, we found out recently 00:49:03.405 --> 00:49:06.035 when my doctor was actually going through my paperwork for my TBI stuff. 00:49:06.590 --> 00:49:10.940 And he's like, oh yeah, no wonder it took you as long as it did, because 00:49:10.950 --> 00:49:16.100 you were seeing social workers who had no idea how to handle trauma, had no 00:49:16.100 --> 00:49:20.040 idea how to handle a combat veteran coming back injured, had no idea how 00:49:20.040 --> 00:49:23.120 to handle what you were throwing at them, which they couldn't comprehend, 00:49:23.120 --> 00:49:27.300 never been in, never seen, never exposed to, other than war movies. 00:49:27.700 --> 00:49:31.580 So, of course, this makes sense why, yeah, okay, cool. 00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:32.870 And when I came to. 00:49:33.095 --> 00:49:34.025 Vancouver. 00:49:34.385 --> 00:49:35.625 My husband's from here. 00:49:35.865 --> 00:49:40.165 So when I moved out here in my met, I got med release on May 23rd, 2011. 00:49:40.265 --> 00:49:45.945 I was here on May 24th, 2011, and I was then assigned to the operational 00:49:45.945 --> 00:49:47.675 stress injury clinic in Vancouver. 00:49:47.785 --> 00:49:49.195 My doctor at the time used to be the head of it. 00:49:49.710 --> 00:49:50.730 Some dicey stuff went down. 00:49:50.730 --> 00:49:54.750 He walked away from that clinic and so did the other doctor and I was seeing two 00:49:54.750 --> 00:49:58.400 doctors from that clinic and that's when I got him and another good doctor, Dr. 00:49:58.400 --> 00:49:58.820 Mock. 00:49:59.150 --> 00:50:02.940 And so both of those guys were able to work with me and then I dropped 00:50:02.940 --> 00:50:04.520 off Mock and I just stuck with Dr. 00:50:04.520 --> 00:50:05.110 Passy. 00:50:05.520 --> 00:50:09.770 Um, again, there's something to be said when you have a psychiatrist 00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:15.060 who, or a psychologist, but mine was a psychiatrist who, Had served in Bosnia 00:50:15.060 --> 00:50:18.370 and Rwanda as a medic, who had done the very first post traumatic stress, 00:50:18.440 --> 00:50:22.710 uh, research on post Rwanda and, um, Bosnian veterans, who understood 00:50:23.730 --> 00:50:25.160 what I was saying without saying it. 00:50:26.350 --> 00:50:27.380 There's something different there. 00:50:27.470 --> 00:50:29.770 And somebody who was old enough that I could respect. 00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:31.230 I respected him. 00:50:31.775 --> 00:50:37.545 So I've listened to him and he gave me the space that I needed and once I started 00:50:37.545 --> 00:50:41.565 working with him, then we lowered the meds and progressively just kept lowering 00:50:41.565 --> 00:50:45.655 and lowering, lowering the drugs and then finally we started trying all these other 00:50:45.655 --> 00:50:49.815 things and that's when art therapy came in and then that's when, you know, I was 00:50:49.825 --> 00:50:53.145 still on, I think I was on like one last drug for the past, those past few years 00:50:53.145 --> 00:50:57.480 up till 19 and then, um, That's when I came to him and I said, Hey, I'm going 00:50:57.480 --> 00:50:58.790 to go do ayahuasca for the first time. 00:50:59.120 --> 00:51:02.040 And that's how, you know, you have a good doctor who cares is because we 00:51:02.040 --> 00:51:03.670 didn't just look at the drug side. 00:51:03.670 --> 00:51:04.710 We looked at constantly. 00:51:04.760 --> 00:51:05.910 Are you moving every day? 00:51:05.930 --> 00:51:06.680 Are you sleeping? 00:51:06.680 --> 00:51:07.600 Well, are you eating? 00:51:07.600 --> 00:51:07.830 Right? 00:51:07.860 --> 00:51:08.810 Are you in nature? 00:51:08.840 --> 00:51:09.990 Are you around community? 00:51:09.990 --> 00:51:10.690 What are you doing? 00:51:11.030 --> 00:51:14.010 And then when I finally had done everything I was asked of and I still 00:51:14.010 --> 00:51:17.310 wasn't getting better when I said I was going to do a very powerful 00:51:17.310 --> 00:51:22.075 psychedelic that he had never heard of He never once said No, don't go do that. 00:51:22.075 --> 00:51:22.975 I don't advise that. 00:51:22.975 --> 00:51:25.985 He said, I know you're going to go do what you're going to go do. 00:51:26.345 --> 00:51:29.775 I've got your back and whatever that looks like, please just be safe 00:51:29.775 --> 00:51:30.965 and let me know when you're back. 00:51:31.535 --> 00:51:32.205 And that was it. 00:51:35.535 --> 00:51:41.115 Travis Bader: How many times, so you've written the book, you've been on a lot of 00:51:41.115 --> 00:51:43.285 big places talking about your experiences. 00:51:44.225 --> 00:51:45.295 How difficult is that? 00:51:46.065 --> 00:51:46.705 Kelsi Sheren: Which part? 00:51:47.275 --> 00:51:47.595 Travis Bader: Having to. 00:51:49.555 --> 00:51:52.345 I don't know if you noticed, but I noticed an energy shift when you were 00:51:52.345 --> 00:51:56.785 talking there and you were talking about the, um, uh, sort of the 00:51:56.785 --> 00:51:58.955 experience and then in coming out there. 00:51:59.435 --> 00:52:00.025 Um. 00:52:01.075 --> 00:52:03.415 There's only so many times you can go out and keep telling that and 00:52:03.415 --> 00:52:04.735 telling people this without it. 00:52:04.735 --> 00:52:06.025 Uh uh. 00:52:06.085 --> 00:52:09.295 Do you feel it, because from my observation, it looked 00:52:09.295 --> 00:52:10.255 like you're feeling that 00:52:10.615 --> 00:52:13.735 Kelsi Sheren: it's, um, I feel it, but not the way I used to feel it. 00:52:13.855 --> 00:52:14.185 Travis Bader: Mm. 00:52:14.215 --> 00:52:16.165 Kelsi Sheren: Meaning it's not debilitating anymore. 00:52:16.225 --> 00:52:20.200 It's just more I, uh, my brain has to work to go back. 00:52:21.305 --> 00:52:23.055 Cause I really work really hard not to go back. 00:52:23.075 --> 00:52:23.435 Travis Bader: Right. 00:52:23.995 --> 00:52:25.595 Kelsi Sheren: And so when I'm like, oh, we're going to go look 00:52:25.605 --> 00:52:30.195 back, my brain's like, uh, uh, uh, like I have to think hard. 00:52:30.205 --> 00:52:30.225 Yeah. 00:52:30.695 --> 00:52:36.065 Um, it's not that I've forgotten it, it's that I am so hyper aware 00:52:36.065 --> 00:52:39.305 of my internal thoughts every waking minute of the day to make sure that 00:52:39.305 --> 00:52:41.095 they're positive and forward motion. 00:52:41.155 --> 00:52:46.455 And so sometimes it's, it's not that I don't feel it, I'm aware of it, 00:52:46.495 --> 00:52:50.835 I'm conscious of it, um, but I have a separation emotionally from it to the 00:52:50.835 --> 00:52:54.125 point where it's like, I don't cry every time I tell it, or my nervous system 00:52:54.125 --> 00:52:56.935 doesn't go into a cortisol spike, or my body doesn't feel like it's being 00:52:56.935 --> 00:53:01.455 threatened, it's just like, it's there, it's happened, it was a chapter in my 00:53:01.455 --> 00:53:06.245 life, I miss my friends and I love them, but I have to keep going, that's the whole 00:53:06.245 --> 00:53:13.335 point of, isn't that the point of, you know, they died, so, How dare you not keep 00:53:13.335 --> 00:53:19.355 going like they died they're not here fuck you get going and so I see it as that now 00:53:19.385 --> 00:53:25.225 as I'm I'm fortunate enough to be here and carry a torch forward, but it doesn't 00:53:25.505 --> 00:53:29.580 it doesn't break me The way it used to. 00:53:29.720 --> 00:53:33.730 I mean, like Memorial Day was rougher this year. 00:53:33.730 --> 00:53:35.440 I had some friends struggle and reach out. 00:53:35.440 --> 00:53:38.550 And so that's, there's a common thread in that for me. 00:53:39.030 --> 00:53:40.280 Um, so I feel it emotionally. 00:53:40.280 --> 00:53:41.290 It feels heavier. 00:53:41.490 --> 00:53:42.570 It's not debilitating. 00:53:42.580 --> 00:53:44.210 I'm not depressed in bed anymore. 00:53:44.460 --> 00:53:47.500 I'm hyper intentional that when these weeks roll around like this week, 00:53:47.570 --> 00:53:49.180 I'm better be doing positive things. 00:53:50.870 --> 00:53:51.950 Travis Bader: Why'd you start the podcast? 00:53:53.540 --> 00:53:54.910 Kelsi Sheren: Um, I talk a lot. 00:54:01.700 --> 00:54:02.080 Travis Bader: Okay. 00:54:02.990 --> 00:54:06.170 Kelsi Sheren: Um, since I've been four, you know, I, my mom always told me 00:54:06.170 --> 00:54:09.769 the story of that, uh, that she had a teacher, Miss, um, one of my teachers. 00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:13.980 Uh, younger teachers used to say, she talks a lot, but don't interrupt her. 00:54:13.980 --> 00:54:15.220 She's going to do something with it. 00:54:15.420 --> 00:54:16.870 And I never understood that. 00:54:17.450 --> 00:54:19.390 I was always in trouble for talking too much. 00:54:20.120 --> 00:54:23.850 Uh, I believe that everybody gets a voice and you can choose how to use it. 00:54:23.850 --> 00:54:29.000 But I think at the time, what I was realizing was that when I 00:54:29.010 --> 00:54:34.950 had my When I, when I started my brand brass and unity, it was a 00:54:37.260 --> 00:54:42.530 crack in the doorway of me kind of opening myself up to the world and like 00:54:42.530 --> 00:54:46.830 little baby steps, kind of exposing myself again to the civilian world, 00:54:47.120 --> 00:54:50.960 kind of exposing myself to society and being vulnerable in little bits 00:54:51.010 --> 00:54:54.500 through jewelry and then talking about it on shows and talking about it on 00:54:54.520 --> 00:54:59.140 TV and just kind of just putting it out there, giving myself that exposure 00:54:59.140 --> 00:55:00.930 therapy to new things and hard things. 00:55:00.950 --> 00:55:01.490 And so. 00:55:02.830 --> 00:55:08.580 When 19 rolled around, that was, you know, we were doing our thing, 20 rolled around, 00:55:08.580 --> 00:55:12.370 everybody started to freak out a bit, and all I thought to myself at that time 00:55:12.370 --> 00:55:14.770 was like, I'm not closing, so suck it. 00:55:15.150 --> 00:55:19.560 Uh, number two, I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing to help people, 00:55:19.560 --> 00:55:20.504 and that's not going to stop there. 00:55:20.675 --> 00:55:25.915 Now, and also, you know, at that point, I'd been told for like a few years, 00:55:25.915 --> 00:55:27.185 like, why don't you start a podcast? 00:55:27.215 --> 00:55:28.615 Like, why don't you, why don't you go do this? 00:55:28.615 --> 00:55:30.925 Like, why don't you, you know, yada yada, you've got a story to tell, 00:55:30.925 --> 00:55:32.115 you've got something different. 00:55:32.665 --> 00:55:33.365 Why don't you? 00:55:33.425 --> 00:55:37.875 And, uh, the space that I had, my building that I had, we had space for it. 00:55:37.905 --> 00:55:39.905 We were just kind of like, Oh, do we want to start now? 00:55:39.905 --> 00:55:41.355 Do we want to start a year from now? 00:55:41.845 --> 00:55:43.805 What is this whole thing going to look like? 00:55:43.805 --> 00:55:45.035 Nobody will want to come up here. 00:55:45.045 --> 00:55:47.365 Can people travel if they could, would they? 00:55:48.020 --> 00:55:49.230 All of this stuff. 00:55:49.260 --> 00:55:52.950 And so we finally bit the bullet and we're like, Hey, well, we got some time. 00:55:53.160 --> 00:55:54.160 Let's start the podcast. 00:55:54.180 --> 00:55:57.390 So we started the podcast and we started recording episodes. 00:55:57.390 --> 00:56:01.320 And, you know, naturally, we named it brass and unity at the time. 00:56:01.320 --> 00:56:03.890 And and we were still with that for right now. 00:56:03.920 --> 00:56:04.479 And it. 00:56:04.750 --> 00:56:10.230 I just figured if I could give people opportunities to tell their stories 00:56:10.230 --> 00:56:12.980 in a way that they hadn't told them before, maybe it would help them heal 00:56:12.980 --> 00:56:15.680 and give them that kind of exposure that I had been going through. 00:56:16.280 --> 00:56:20.160 And so we did that and initially it was going to be veterans and then 00:56:20.160 --> 00:56:22.220 it started as veterans and then it just kind of blew up into this 00:56:22.220 --> 00:56:25.490 whole other thing and I enjoy it. 00:56:25.925 --> 00:56:27.425 Like, I, it's fun. 00:56:27.545 --> 00:56:32.635 It's, I mean, I get to sit and talk into the ether for a job. 00:56:32.655 --> 00:56:35.295 I get to hold space for people. 00:56:35.295 --> 00:56:37.925 I get to meet cool people. 00:56:37.925 --> 00:56:43.075 I get to, Do what I love, which isn't work for me. 00:56:43.255 --> 00:56:44.525 So why not? 00:56:44.895 --> 00:56:46.555 Travis Bader: What's this other thing that it blew up into? 00:56:47.305 --> 00:56:52.055 Kelsi Sheren: Just this animal of like, you know, there's a, what, I have this 00:56:52.055 --> 00:56:53.585 saying and people get so offended. 00:56:54.105 --> 00:56:56.985 It's like, if you're going to be offended by something, do yourself a favor and 00:56:56.985 --> 00:56:58.264 make it something important to you. 00:56:59.295 --> 00:57:03.175 Just pick your offense and like that, like just streamline it. 00:57:03.225 --> 00:57:04.305 Just, just focus on it. 00:57:04.335 --> 00:57:05.325 By the way, it tastes terrible. 00:57:05.335 --> 00:57:06.525 Have you, did, if you had one of those before? 00:57:06.525 --> 00:57:08.869 Oh, I like them. 00:57:08.869 --> 00:57:11.075 Oh, I'm waiting on my caffeine ones. 00:57:11.075 --> 00:57:12.265 I'll bring you those once I have some. 00:57:12.435 --> 00:57:18.445 Um, so, so yeah, it just turned into this, this animal and, uh, I love it. 00:57:18.465 --> 00:57:19.155 It's, you know, the. 00:57:19.935 --> 00:57:23.385 The podcast started as a for fun thing and it is still for fun, 00:57:23.725 --> 00:57:24.825 but it's definitely growing. 00:57:24.825 --> 00:57:27.755 It's evolving and we're changing the name and we're rebranding it 00:57:27.755 --> 00:57:29.345 here in the next like couple months. 00:57:29.375 --> 00:57:36.215 And it's just, it's just this show that I don't know. 00:57:36.215 --> 00:57:39.105 I get to talk about things that I never thought I get to talk about. 00:57:39.105 --> 00:57:41.755 I get to talk to people that I never thought I get to talk about. 00:57:41.765 --> 00:57:46.790 I get to what I always say is like, if you're gonna Do 00:57:46.810 --> 00:57:48.460 something in life, be of value. 00:57:48.630 --> 00:57:52.760 And the only way you get to talk to other cool people is you got to be a value. 00:57:53.350 --> 00:57:54.880 So be a fucking value. 00:57:55.860 --> 00:57:57.660 Travis Bader: So when I look at you, I see a fighter. 00:57:58.100 --> 00:57:58.440 Kelsi Sheren: Oh yeah. 00:57:58.800 --> 00:57:59.020 Travis Bader: Okay. 00:57:59.800 --> 00:58:01.080 You're, you're fighting. 00:58:02.825 --> 00:58:07.165 So many different things, but I, I, I see a fighter in the literal and 00:58:07.165 --> 00:58:09.505 the figurative senses of the word. 00:58:10.215 --> 00:58:13.715 And even with your podcast, I mean, the headway that you've made on the, 00:58:13.755 --> 00:58:19.025 on the maid program here in Canada, medical assistance and dying, uh, man, 00:58:19.025 --> 00:58:22.875 you've done massive things in that area. 00:58:23.395 --> 00:58:26.975 Um, and, What does life look like for you not fighting? 00:58:28.835 --> 00:58:29.545 Kelsi Sheren: We're not there yet. 00:58:29.575 --> 00:58:30.625 I'm just not ready for that. 00:58:30.805 --> 00:58:31.375 That'll come. 00:58:31.645 --> 00:58:32.295 I have a goal. 00:58:32.335 --> 00:58:33.975 Yeah, I have a, I have an end goal. 00:58:33.975 --> 00:58:34.625 I have a. 00:58:35.455 --> 00:58:40.055 You know, I think for me, it's not about, uh, doing a million things to do a 00:58:40.055 --> 00:58:41.935 million things for a million things sake. 00:58:42.225 --> 00:58:45.155 Like I said, uh, like I was going to say is, you know, everyone has a podcast. 00:58:45.185 --> 00:58:46.745 Not everyone needs to have a podcast. 00:58:46.765 --> 00:58:47.125 Sure. 00:58:47.435 --> 00:58:53.295 Um, I want to at least be of value if I'm going to do it and it's got to help. 00:58:53.295 --> 00:58:54.075 It's got to do something. 00:58:54.075 --> 00:58:55.245 It's got to have a purpose behind it. 00:58:55.265 --> 00:58:56.665 Otherwise there's no, it's not worth doing. 00:58:57.005 --> 00:58:58.275 So for me, I have an angle. 00:58:58.275 --> 00:58:58.965 Yeah, for sure. 00:58:58.965 --> 00:58:59.175 And that's. 00:58:59.600 --> 00:59:03.110 That's that escape velocity, that's that choice to be able to leave the country and 00:59:03.110 --> 00:59:07.410 know that when they cut my pension off and that when I, when I stop doing what some 00:59:07.410 --> 00:59:11.520 of the things I'm doing, that I'm going to be okay, um, and I'm not there yet. 00:59:11.570 --> 00:59:16.290 And when I get there, what that looks like for me is, uh, ideally would be, 00:59:16.290 --> 00:59:20.185 uh, Having my kid decide if he wants to go to school or if he wants to stay 00:59:20.185 --> 00:59:24.645 home and be homeschooled, it would mean having so much property that I could 00:59:24.645 --> 00:59:28.285 have so many gardens to tend to for food that I don't have to go buy food. 00:59:28.315 --> 00:59:29.935 And so I would have to be focused on that. 00:59:30.365 --> 00:59:34.245 It would mean being able to do my show as much or as little as I 00:59:34.245 --> 00:59:36.825 want, um, wherever I want to do it. 00:59:37.325 --> 00:59:40.095 Um, and it would mean, like I said, escape velocity from 00:59:40.095 --> 00:59:41.835 this country and I'm not there. 00:59:42.175 --> 00:59:42.465 Travis Bader: Right. 00:59:42.565 --> 00:59:43.154 Kelsi Sheren: Um, and so. 00:59:43.325 --> 00:59:46.795 Because I'm also not naive to think that I can stop the suicide crisis, but I am 00:59:46.795 --> 00:59:51.625 sure as hell, uh, brave enough to step up and try to make some change, because I 00:59:51.645 --> 00:59:55.325 think that we all have that purpose, and again, that's what I said to you, is like, 00:59:56.525 --> 01:00:00.525 my purpose has been evolving constantly, and so when people are like, oh, I 01:00:00.525 --> 01:00:03.935 have an end goal, it's like, oh, cool, but once you hit that goal, then what? 01:00:03.955 --> 01:00:04.495 Then what? 01:00:04.515 --> 01:00:04.945 Then what? 01:00:04.975 --> 01:00:05.095 Well, 01:00:05.095 --> 01:00:05.565 Travis Bader: that's it. 01:00:05.655 --> 01:00:07.715 Kelsi Sheren: It's not about moving the goalposts in a negative sense. 01:00:07.725 --> 01:00:10.525 It's about going, Oh, this is evolving into something bigger 01:00:10.525 --> 01:00:11.875 than what I thought it was. 01:00:12.155 --> 01:00:12.675 Same with the show. 01:00:12.705 --> 01:00:14.385 It's evolving into something bigger. 01:00:14.835 --> 01:00:15.885 And same with what I do. 01:00:15.885 --> 01:00:17.515 It's evolving into something bigger. 01:00:17.815 --> 01:00:21.515 So I can choose to go, I don't want that to evolve and I can stop doing 01:00:21.515 --> 01:00:25.785 that if I don't want to, but everything that I'm doing, I want to evolve. 01:00:25.865 --> 01:00:28.465 I love all aspects of what I do. 01:00:28.475 --> 01:00:30.125 Even the stuff that nobody wants to do. 01:00:30.135 --> 01:00:31.099 I'm like, yeah, I do that. 01:00:31.750 --> 01:00:33.770 I'll pack orders all day long, whatever. 01:00:33.790 --> 01:00:34.410 It's cool. 01:00:35.820 --> 01:00:36.780 Travis Bader: You're talking about levels. 01:00:36.880 --> 01:00:37.580 Kelsi Sheren: There's levels. 01:00:37.620 --> 01:00:37.960 Travis Bader: Right. 01:00:38.180 --> 01:00:42.610 So, uh, The levels where you were in the past, you're looking to the future. 01:00:42.910 --> 01:00:45.270 What level do you see yourself at in a year from now? 01:00:45.500 --> 01:00:46.500 Kelsi Sheren: In a year from now? 01:00:46.540 --> 01:00:49.610 That's a really hard question for me to answer. 01:00:49.610 --> 01:00:52.800 I'll tell you why, because I didn't ever think I'd be on Jordan Peterson 01:00:52.850 --> 01:00:55.240 and I got a cold email on a Friday. 01:00:55.630 --> 01:01:00.340 Um, I never thought I would be doing any of what I'm doing right now. 01:01:00.740 --> 01:01:01.790 I didn't think I'd write books. 01:01:01.790 --> 01:01:02.850 I didn't think I'd do a show. 01:01:02.850 --> 01:01:07.720 I didn't think I'd have a, I didn't do, I, no clue what ideally I would 01:01:07.720 --> 01:01:10.160 like in the next calendar year. 01:01:10.415 --> 01:01:12.515 Is, uh, the show to be rebranded. 01:01:12.555 --> 01:01:14.515 I want it to be top one percent. 01:01:14.925 --> 01:01:16.455 Uh, that's a big one for me. 01:01:16.515 --> 01:01:17.775 Um, absolutely. 01:01:18.155 --> 01:01:20.625 I want to bring on an editor full time. 01:01:20.625 --> 01:01:21.835 That's a big one for me. 01:01:22.185 --> 01:01:26.975 Um, I want to be able to donate, uh, You know, we donate 20%, but this is 01:01:27.195 --> 01:01:28.335 actually going to be the first year. 01:01:28.335 --> 01:01:29.955 I think we're going to be profitable since COVID. 01:01:30.505 --> 01:01:33.015 So I'm really excited about that. 01:01:33.265 --> 01:01:36.175 Um, and when I say the brand, I'm not even talking about Breaths in Unity. 01:01:36.175 --> 01:01:40.155 Like I pivoted myself to being a coach and to doing breath work and to going to 01:01:40.155 --> 01:01:45.675 retreats and to being a keynote speaker, uh, growth for me isn't a financial thing. 01:01:45.675 --> 01:01:50.135 Growth for me means that I have gotten comfortable doing a thing that I. 01:01:50.925 --> 01:01:53.835 Didn't think I'd ever do and I've stepped outside of my comfort zone. 01:01:53.845 --> 01:01:56.725 So I didn't, I wasn't a speaker, but I became a speaker. 01:01:57.035 --> 01:02:00.165 I wasn't a podcast host, but I became a podcast host. 01:02:00.485 --> 01:02:03.625 And now it's about choosing which ones I want to sharpen. 01:02:04.425 --> 01:02:06.505 And I think I'm going to write another book. 01:02:06.605 --> 01:02:09.525 Uh, I think, yeah, I think I'm going to write another book. 01:02:09.525 --> 01:02:12.830 I'm really, um, You know, talking to my agent about that to see if there's 01:02:12.830 --> 01:02:14.280 an appetite for what I want to do. 01:02:14.790 --> 01:02:15.150 Um, you want 01:02:15.150 --> 01:02:15.950 Travis Bader: to talk about that? 01:02:16.250 --> 01:02:17.940 Kelsi Sheren: No, not yet, but I will come back on. 01:02:17.940 --> 01:02:18.280 I will. 01:02:18.310 --> 01:02:21.110 Um, but so, you know, I definitely want to do that. 01:02:21.410 --> 01:02:22.780 I want my show to be bigger. 01:02:22.850 --> 01:02:24.350 I want to be on bigger platforms. 01:02:24.380 --> 01:02:25.230 I want to go. 01:02:26.880 --> 01:02:29.520 Because of the people are interesting to me that host those shows. 01:02:29.760 --> 01:02:30.640 It's not about their listeners. 01:02:30.640 --> 01:02:31.790 It's about the person that's doing it. 01:02:33.205 --> 01:02:35.355 I really would like to go on dire of a CEO. 01:02:35.415 --> 01:02:36.415 I'd like to talk to Steven. 01:02:36.465 --> 01:02:37.625 Travis Bader: Steve Bartlett's awesome. 01:02:37.675 --> 01:02:38.085 Kelsi Sheren: Yeah. 01:02:38.085 --> 01:02:38.365 Yeah. 01:02:38.365 --> 01:02:39.715 So I messaged their people. 01:02:39.715 --> 01:02:40.935 They didn't have time last year. 01:02:41.305 --> 01:02:41.655 Um. 01:02:41.665 --> 01:02:42.115 Oh, you'll be on it. 01:02:42.395 --> 01:02:42.905 That's the goal. 01:02:42.915 --> 01:02:43.815 That's one of my goals. 01:02:43.845 --> 01:02:45.035 I want to sit down with Joe. 01:02:45.085 --> 01:02:48.185 I think, I think that's been a long time coming and a lot of people would agree. 01:02:48.715 --> 01:02:51.245 Um, you know, that's a big one. 01:02:51.245 --> 01:02:52.835 I'd like to sit down and talk to Lex again. 01:02:52.885 --> 01:02:54.225 I don't know that that will happen. 01:02:54.225 --> 01:02:54.945 So that's okay. 01:02:55.325 --> 01:02:59.505 Um, I'd also like to start talking to You know, speaking in different 01:02:59.515 --> 01:03:03.815 realms, meaning there are a lot of different podcasts that are outside 01:03:03.815 --> 01:03:09.305 of my traditional realm that I'm finally comfortable in speaking into, 01:03:09.365 --> 01:03:11.395 um, whether that's political realms. 01:03:11.435 --> 01:03:13.765 Uh, I reached out to Tucker's team last week. 01:03:13.775 --> 01:03:14.655 I got ahold of them. 01:03:15.135 --> 01:03:17.925 Um, Whether that'll happen or not, I'm not sure. 01:03:17.945 --> 01:03:22.815 But my point in saying that is, I've pigeonholed, I've pigeonheld 01:03:22.845 --> 01:03:26.095 myself so long in believing that I don't belong anywhere else 01:03:26.105 --> 01:03:27.415 other than the military world. 01:03:27.805 --> 01:03:30.765 And I finally got to the point at the beginning of this year where I 01:03:30.785 --> 01:03:32.155 said, I'm not doing this anymore. 01:03:32.295 --> 01:03:33.675 Travis Bader: What made you make that change? 01:03:33.705 --> 01:03:36.855 Cause that actually goes to one of the questions I got on my phone here, because 01:03:37.105 --> 01:03:39.415 you, okay, you want to be in the top 1%. 01:03:40.075 --> 01:03:44.495 I look at the charts right now, your podcast were tied. 01:03:45.070 --> 01:03:48.070 Both 2 percent and 38, 38, whatever it is. 01:03:48.560 --> 01:03:49.730 But I haven't been on Peterson. 01:03:49.740 --> 01:03:50.640 I haven't been on Lex. 01:03:50.650 --> 01:03:51.730 I haven't been on Jocko. 01:03:52.090 --> 01:03:52.460 Right. 01:03:52.510 --> 01:03:55.140 You haven't been on Piers Morgan's show. 01:03:55.880 --> 01:04:02.915 Uh, you are setting some pretty lofty, um, You're on a pretty lofty trajectory 01:04:02.965 --> 01:04:05.535 and you got some pretty lofty goals that you're, you're working towards. 01:04:05.865 --> 01:04:06.165 Kelsi Sheren: Yeah. 01:04:06.375 --> 01:04:09.045 I don't think, cause I think the difference in what you 01:04:09.045 --> 01:04:13.265 and I do is, uh, your area of expertise is just more of a niche. 01:04:13.495 --> 01:04:16.125 Hunting is a niche for a lot of people. 01:04:16.465 --> 01:04:20.145 Um, And I, and I, like I said, I encourage you to break out of that 01:04:20.145 --> 01:04:21.595 because you have a lot more to give. 01:04:22.285 --> 01:04:24.205 Travis Bader: You know, it's funny cause I look at it and I call it 01:04:24.205 --> 01:04:26.415 this hunting, fishing, outdoor. 01:04:26.575 --> 01:04:26.875 Kelsi Sheren: Yeah. 01:04:26.945 --> 01:04:31.205 Travis Bader: But really we tell stories and we talk to people and I use that 01:04:31.205 --> 01:04:37.295 little piece as a bit of a segue into, and lately a lot of it's been on mental 01:04:37.295 --> 01:04:41.285 health and by my biggest underlying North star is always just positivity. 01:04:41.295 --> 01:04:42.675 How can I bring positivity? 01:04:42.695 --> 01:04:45.799 How can I have people look at what they're currently doing and say, you know, I'm 01:04:46.010 --> 01:04:47.730 Hey, that might be possible for me. 01:04:47.740 --> 01:04:50.490 And if I can bring people on like yourself, who've done things 01:04:50.490 --> 01:04:52.520 and say, well, she can do it. 01:04:53.640 --> 01:04:54.770 Maybe I can do it. 01:04:55.845 --> 01:04:58.755 Kelsi Sheren: And you can, and I think that starts by, that's what I'm 01:04:58.755 --> 01:04:59.985 doing with Brass in Unity right now. 01:05:00.615 --> 01:05:03.535 I'm changing the name of the show because it's not Brass in Unity anymore. 01:05:04.025 --> 01:05:05.735 Travis Bader: Tell them what it's going to be called or we'll hold off. 01:05:05.765 --> 01:05:09.195 Kelsi Sheren: We're, we're working, I think, I think, I think we settled on 01:05:09.195 --> 01:05:12.065 it yesterday, but I think it's going to be the Kelsey Sharon perspective. 01:05:12.375 --> 01:05:12.805 Travis Bader: I love it. 01:05:13.045 --> 01:05:13.455 Kelsi Sheren: Yeah. 01:05:13.595 --> 01:05:13.905 Travis Bader: I love it. 01:05:13.975 --> 01:05:15.025 Kelsi Sheren: And, um. 01:05:15.740 --> 01:05:20.350 That's because, like I said, for a long time, when I was healing, I was 01:05:20.350 --> 01:05:24.140 hiding behind brass and unity and using that as, uh, the modality to 01:05:24.140 --> 01:05:27.360 put forward enough where I was saying, this is who I am, but this is my brand. 01:05:27.360 --> 01:05:30.550 It goes before me, my brand does the helping, my brand 01:05:30.550 --> 01:05:31.860 does this, my brand does that. 01:05:31.920 --> 01:05:35.810 I've been the brand the whole time, but I wasn't ready to step forward 01:05:35.820 --> 01:05:37.800 into that forward facing position. 01:05:38.210 --> 01:05:43.395 And, um, So that's why when I put the book out as Brass in Unity, I, again, was 01:05:43.395 --> 01:05:45.345 still kind of hiding behind the brand. 01:05:45.345 --> 01:05:46.665 I was still kind of like, I'm an author. 01:05:46.665 --> 01:05:47.595 This is my story. 01:05:47.595 --> 01:05:48.445 This is my life. 01:05:48.445 --> 01:05:52.415 This is my memoir, but it's still Brass in Unity. 01:05:52.415 --> 01:05:55.835 This is the, cause Brass in Unity was the tool that got me to a healthy enough 01:05:55.835 --> 01:06:00.015 space to be able to lean into myself as Kelsey and then put that forward. 01:06:00.445 --> 01:06:04.705 And so now I'm at a point where I'm comfortable enough stepping into 01:06:04.705 --> 01:06:06.135 that and saying, no, this is my show. 01:06:06.375 --> 01:06:07.095 This is my show. 01:06:07.095 --> 01:06:07.895 This is what I stand for. 01:06:07.895 --> 01:06:08.525 This is what I believe in. 01:06:08.525 --> 01:06:09.465 These are the people I believe in. 01:06:09.465 --> 01:06:10.635 These are who I stand behind. 01:06:10.885 --> 01:06:12.885 These are the messages that matter to me. 01:06:13.235 --> 01:06:20.825 And I think that the only difference between you and I is, is you're not there. 01:06:20.825 --> 01:06:23.495 We're in the sense of like, where you're ready to just kind of bear it all and 01:06:23.495 --> 01:06:26.315 what it's going to be is going to be, and not everybody is going to be like that. 01:06:26.315 --> 01:06:26.625 No. 01:06:26.625 --> 01:06:26.934 No. 01:06:27.135 --> 01:06:31.545 But what I will say is that when you do though, you're going to step more outside 01:06:31.545 --> 01:06:33.665 of that hunting, fishing kind of world. 01:06:33.665 --> 01:06:39.315 Like we're marked the same in, um, our listener base, but then when 01:06:39.315 --> 01:06:42.825 you look at like where I chart, I chart differently than you chart. 01:06:42.825 --> 01:06:43.085 Totally. 01:06:43.345 --> 01:06:46.515 So I chart in society and culture and entertainment and mental health. 01:06:46.525 --> 01:06:49.295 And I chart in white places like Israel last week. 01:06:49.665 --> 01:06:49.705 Travis Bader: Yeah, 01:06:50.145 --> 01:06:52.915 Kelsi Sheren: weird, but like I chart in places that are a little 01:06:52.915 --> 01:06:55.995 different now, I think there's a massive space for you in mental health. 01:06:56.005 --> 01:06:58.645 If you want to step into it, but you have to want to step into it. 01:06:58.865 --> 01:07:02.575 And I think that starts by going silver core by Travis Bader. 01:07:03.685 --> 01:07:05.655 And I think that starts because you're it. 01:07:05.905 --> 01:07:07.365 Silvercore is your brand. 01:07:07.555 --> 01:07:07.995 Travis Bader: Sure. 01:07:08.185 --> 01:07:09.105 Kelsi Sheren: It's not your show. 01:07:09.955 --> 01:07:12.455 Travis Bader: The only reason I called it Silvercore, well, Silvercore 01:07:12.465 --> 01:07:14.165 originally was my grandfather's silver. 01:07:14.165 --> 01:07:17.155 I'm another grandfather, Cornelius Portmandeau, the two names. 01:07:17.525 --> 01:07:17.625 Kelsi Sheren: Right. 01:07:17.765 --> 01:07:20.325 Travis Bader: And I call it the Silvercore podcast because I figured, you know, 01:07:20.335 --> 01:07:26.155 it's a way I can bring some positivity into an industry that, uh, there's a 01:07:26.245 --> 01:07:28.095 lot of negative aspects to the industry. 01:07:28.145 --> 01:07:30.895 I mean, it depends on where you want to look, cause there's a lot of positive 01:07:30.895 --> 01:07:34.785 ones too, but unfortunately I was mired in an area of a lot of negativity. 01:07:34.785 --> 01:07:39.640 And I thought, You know, do I, this is what I know I've done this since I've 01:07:39.640 --> 01:07:44.410 been on high school, basically since 94, I can pivot, I can do something else, but 01:07:44.410 --> 01:07:48.100 why should I, maybe there's a way I can change that and bring some positivity in. 01:07:48.100 --> 01:07:51.020 So I thought if I use the same name, there's going to be some 01:07:51.250 --> 01:07:53.210 bleed off under the company as well. 01:07:53.330 --> 01:07:53.520 Kelsi Sheren: Yeah. 01:07:53.570 --> 01:07:56.240 And it has, but now I think it can evolve too. 01:07:58.290 --> 01:08:00.630 Cause you, you don't have to, you don't have to finish where you start. 01:08:00.740 --> 01:08:01.590 Travis Bader: A hundred percent. 01:08:01.660 --> 01:08:03.920 I don't know if mental health industry is kind of where I'd be. 01:08:03.990 --> 01:08:05.040 Um, personally, I'd. 01:08:05.050 --> 01:08:05.060 I 01:08:05.080 --> 01:08:06.860 Kelsi Sheren: think it'd be men wellness, if I'm being honest. 01:08:06.900 --> 01:08:07.420 Travis Bader: Men wellness? 01:08:07.420 --> 01:08:07.740 You think so? 01:08:07.740 --> 01:08:08.119 Men wellness, 01:08:08.120 --> 01:08:11.020 Kelsi Sheren: cause that encompasses all things that it can encompass, 01:08:11.090 --> 01:08:14.800 encompasses accountability, self sufficiency, mental health, wellness, 01:08:14.800 --> 01:08:17.550 being a good father, being a good husband, being a community member. 01:08:17.840 --> 01:08:20.450 And that's kind of what you encompass to me, which is like, you have all 01:08:20.450 --> 01:08:23.710 these other aspects, but at the core of who you are, you're a good community 01:08:23.710 --> 01:08:25.720 member, husband, father, uh, and friend. 01:08:25.740 --> 01:08:26.380 And I think. 01:08:26.570 --> 01:08:28.410 Within that is the mental health umbrella. 01:08:28.670 --> 01:08:31.150 And so I don't think you are mental health. 01:08:31.180 --> 01:08:32.890 I think that you are all of these things. 01:08:32.890 --> 01:08:36.950 And that's why having like SilverCore with is a big difference than 01:08:36.950 --> 01:08:38.270 just SilverCore at the podcast. 01:08:39.160 --> 01:08:39.860 Travis Bader: Interesting. 01:08:39.960 --> 01:08:41.830 Be interesting to see what the listeners think about that one. 01:08:41.870 --> 01:08:44.030 Kelsi Sheren: I think they'll probably like it more than you want to admit. 01:08:45.680 --> 01:08:46.640 Travis Bader: Perhaps. 01:08:46.640 --> 01:08:48.750 Do you want to take a look at some of the questions that I put together? 01:08:48.770 --> 01:08:49.320 Kelsi Sheren: Yeah, go for it. 01:08:49.700 --> 01:08:50.710 I'm happy to answer whatever you want, man. 01:08:50.790 --> 01:08:54.340 Travis Bader: Man, we got, um, you've actually covered a bunch of them. 01:08:54.340 --> 01:08:55.474 Kelsi Sheren: That's good. 01:08:56.405 --> 01:08:56.585 Travis Bader: Here's, 01:08:56.975 --> 01:08:57.305 Kelsi Sheren: okay. 01:08:57.455 --> 01:09:00.755 Travis Bader: What aspects of yourself do you hide from others, and why do you 01:09:00.755 --> 01:09:02.555 feel the need to conceal them if you do? 01:09:03.755 --> 01:09:09.815 Kelsi Sheren: Um, I'm a lot , I'm a lot harsher, actually in private than I am. 01:09:10.205 --> 01:09:10.505 Travis Bader: Harsher. 01:09:10.510 --> 01:09:10.985 What do you mean? 01:09:11.855 --> 01:09:13.865 Kelsi Sheren: Uh, let me see. 01:09:14.225 --> 01:09:17.945 People think I'm already brash and, uh, and, and quite harsh 01:09:17.945 --> 01:09:21.155 and, um, a lot and too much. 01:09:22.125 --> 01:09:22.905 And that's toned down. 01:09:26.035 --> 01:09:27.145 Travis Bader: Why do you think people think that? 01:09:28.000 --> 01:09:32.210 Kelsi Sheren: No, I know that they've told me that, but I think that's because 01:09:32.220 --> 01:09:36.860 a couple things, uh, People often say I'm too masculine for a female. 01:09:37.140 --> 01:09:41.570 And so what that ends up doing is causing men who are insecure to 01:09:41.570 --> 01:09:45.340 feel even more insecure and say that you're not a fit for my show. 01:09:47.120 --> 01:09:49.840 Travis Bader: Not pointing to any figures, anyone in particular. 01:09:49.880 --> 01:09:50.960 Kelsi Sheren: No, but that's what I'm told. 01:09:50.960 --> 01:09:55.580 If I'm told I'm not And I know for a fact, I'm probably, for sure, 01:09:55.940 --> 01:09:57.330 um, it's, it's one of two things. 01:09:57.350 --> 01:09:59.260 Their listener base doesn't like to listen to women. 01:09:59.840 --> 01:10:00.830 And that does happen. 01:10:01.120 --> 01:10:04.990 I do, there are listener bases I find in specific areas, uh, where 01:10:05.360 --> 01:10:06.630 they don't want to hear from women. 01:10:06.970 --> 01:10:09.030 And that again comes from multiple different things. 01:10:09.610 --> 01:10:12.930 Uh, the listener base is predominantly men. 01:10:12.950 --> 01:10:15.830 And if they're men, they either lean one of two ways with me. 01:10:16.255 --> 01:10:20.805 They either love me because of how aggressive I am, or they're completely 01:10:20.805 --> 01:10:22.355 threatened by the way I speak. 01:10:22.445 --> 01:10:24.795 Travis Bader: There's a difference between aggressiveness and assertiveness. 01:10:25.075 --> 01:10:26.695 Aggressiveness and confidence. 01:10:27.255 --> 01:10:30.755 Kelsi Sheren: I'm called aggressive by that more insecure side of things. 01:10:31.045 --> 01:10:35.575 And, um, People who know me just know me as a, who actually know me 01:10:35.575 --> 01:10:36.825 or like, Oh, you're just assertive. 01:10:36.875 --> 01:10:37.105 Right. 01:10:37.165 --> 01:10:39.165 And that's just from the background you come from. 01:10:39.615 --> 01:10:43.355 Um, and then there's the more spiritual side of people that I know that is 01:10:43.355 --> 01:10:44.835 more the coaching breathwork community. 01:10:44.835 --> 01:10:46.765 They're like, you're just a bit masculine. 01:10:46.765 --> 01:10:48.055 You lean too far into your masculine. 01:10:48.055 --> 01:10:49.515 You need to more lean into your feminine. 01:10:49.535 --> 01:10:54.165 And I, again, yes, there's a time and place, but then there's also a subset 01:10:54.165 --> 01:10:57.305 of people who are like, who are men who 01:10:59.735 --> 01:11:02.265 recognize that it's assertiveness and confidence. 01:11:02.305 --> 01:11:02.875 And. 01:11:03.300 --> 01:11:03.910 Respect it. 01:11:04.270 --> 01:11:04.590 Travis Bader: Sure. 01:11:04.890 --> 01:11:07.740 Kelsi Sheren: So there's, there's, depending on someone's listener base or 01:11:07.740 --> 01:11:09.790 the individual themselves, there's that. 01:11:10.290 --> 01:11:10.590 Mm. 01:11:10.710 --> 01:11:11.000 Right? 01:11:11.350 --> 01:11:16.770 And so, uh, for the men that have sat down with me, the, I definitely challenged 01:11:16.780 --> 01:11:19.720 their narrative of what a female can be. 01:11:20.040 --> 01:11:21.210 I try not to be too. 01:11:22.315 --> 01:11:26.165 You know, too much or too aggressive or I've seen me on camera, like the first 01:11:26.165 --> 01:11:29.565 time I did Jocko to the second time I did Jocko to what I did with Jordan and 01:11:29.565 --> 01:11:32.665 I'm radically different in the sense that I can control my emotions a lot 01:11:32.665 --> 01:11:35.915 more because I've done brain treatment since then, which I didn't have then. 01:11:35.945 --> 01:11:37.305 So my frontal lobe wasn't working. 01:11:37.845 --> 01:11:42.965 Um, and so that, um, controls your executive function, which is your, 01:11:43.025 --> 01:11:46.385 uh, your anger, your frustration, your ability to control your emotions. 01:11:46.695 --> 01:11:48.925 That wasn't working when I did all those shows before. 01:11:49.015 --> 01:11:51.005 The, you can see the difference in the shows I've done now. 01:11:51.635 --> 01:11:54.285 Um, that also comes with self reflection and a lot more work. 01:11:54.305 --> 01:11:58.245 And just every time, every year that goes by, I'm constantly working on myself. 01:11:58.395 --> 01:12:03.075 And I mean that in the every day, not in the like, maybe I'll 01:12:03.075 --> 01:12:05.065 just go do psychedelics once this year and I'll work on it. 01:12:05.065 --> 01:12:05.715 It's like, no, no, no. 01:12:05.795 --> 01:12:09.435 Every day, 1 percent better than yesterday and whatever that looks like. 01:12:09.435 --> 01:12:11.495 Meaning if I went for a walk for 30 minutes yesterday and I 01:12:11.495 --> 01:12:13.365 went for 35 today, killed it. 01:12:13.805 --> 01:12:14.195 Travis Bader: Awesome. 01:12:14.415 --> 01:12:15.035 Kelsi Sheren: Move forward. 01:12:15.035 --> 01:12:17.665 So I definitely find that. 01:12:17.905 --> 01:12:23.745 I am more open privately, because if I say some of the things I say privately out 01:12:23.745 --> 01:12:26.035 loud, I won't have an Instagram tomorrow. 01:12:26.145 --> 01:12:26.505 Travis Bader: Sure. 01:12:27.025 --> 01:12:27.305 For sure. 01:12:27.305 --> 01:12:28.385 I can, I can see that. 01:12:28.765 --> 01:12:31.315 I mean, we're, we're joking off air previously. 01:12:31.365 --> 01:12:31.475 Yeah. 01:12:31.675 --> 01:12:32.255 I mean, that was. 01:12:32.855 --> 01:12:36.285 Well, it's something, a small thing I thought is hilarious, but anyways. 01:12:36.285 --> 01:12:38.145 Kelsi Sheren: Yeah, yeah, that's true. 01:12:38.695 --> 01:12:40.305 That's, well, that was true too, then too. 01:12:42.255 --> 01:12:42.935 Travis Bader: I don't know if that. 01:12:43.535 --> 01:12:43.975 Doesn't bother me. 01:12:43.985 --> 01:12:46.285 I don't know how many other people pick that one up, but that was 01:12:46.285 --> 01:12:51.404 on a recent podcast that you were on, a popular recent podcast. 01:12:52.985 --> 01:12:53.755 Kelsi Sheren: What other ones we got? 01:12:54.845 --> 01:12:57.035 Travis Bader: Uh, is there anything that you know, you should be 01:12:57.035 --> 01:12:59.235 prioritizing in this period of your life, which you are not? 01:13:03.285 --> 01:13:04.465 Kelsi Sheren: I don't think anybody's perfect. 01:13:04.465 --> 01:13:08.335 So I'm, I do want to find something, but I will say at the moat for 01:13:08.335 --> 01:13:11.965 the most part, I think that. 01:13:13.330 --> 01:13:16.260 I'm doing a pretty good job for the first time in a very, very, very long time. 01:13:17.610 --> 01:13:18.900 And that's not to say I'm perfect. 01:13:18.910 --> 01:13:21.740 Cause I think there's probably somewhere I could do a little better. 01:13:22.030 --> 01:13:26.600 Um, maybe, you know what, maybe in diet a little bit, when I get lazy, I get 01:13:26.600 --> 01:13:30.840 lazy fast, meaning like I'm struggling to go up and downstairs right now. 01:13:31.220 --> 01:13:31.340 Travis Bader: Yeah. 01:13:31.620 --> 01:13:34.930 Kelsi Sheren: So today for lunch, I ate, my son had a half a piece 01:13:34.930 --> 01:13:36.000 of pizza left in the fridge. 01:13:36.000 --> 01:13:36.720 That's what I ate. 01:13:36.980 --> 01:13:37.040 Yeah. 01:13:37.270 --> 01:13:40.580 That's not normally me, but that's the laziness factor. 01:13:40.580 --> 01:13:42.950 So it's like, I probably could be better with that. 01:13:43.020 --> 01:13:48.555 Um, But for the most part, you know, with, you know, with my marriage, I'm 01:13:48.555 --> 01:13:50.705 being hyper intentional and very aware. 01:13:50.715 --> 01:13:52.185 I'm being very attentive. 01:13:52.815 --> 01:13:56.365 When my husband says something, hey, this and this, I'm like trying to correct it 01:13:56.375 --> 01:13:59.745 for myself, not for him, but for myself because that means I've slipped somewhere. 01:14:00.225 --> 01:14:03.335 With my son, you know, 01:14:05.405 --> 01:14:07.365 I get frustrated sometimes when he doesn't listen. 01:14:07.945 --> 01:14:09.595 And I don't yell, but I'm short. 01:14:09.615 --> 01:14:11.015 So I'm trying not to be as short. 01:14:11.045 --> 01:14:14.085 I'm trying to be more intentional because it's not necessarily 01:14:14.085 --> 01:14:15.055 anything that he's doing. 01:14:15.065 --> 01:14:17.485 It's that I'm feeling some type of way about something that happened 01:14:17.485 --> 01:14:18.805 in my life and then that's it. 01:14:19.235 --> 01:14:21.305 So just trying to be a little bit better about that. 01:14:21.525 --> 01:14:24.515 Um, with my fitness, I'm trying to be more consistent this weekend, really 01:14:24.515 --> 01:14:25.975 threw a wrench into that, but that's okay. 01:14:25.975 --> 01:14:26.735 We'll figure it out. 01:14:27.105 --> 01:14:32.770 Um, I would say from the community aspect, uh, sometimes I find myself 01:14:32.770 --> 01:14:35.400 getting nihilistic and frustrated with the veteran space because I'm 01:14:35.400 --> 01:14:39.310 kind of tired of it when it comes to people's like, you know, excuse 01:14:39.310 --> 01:14:41.090 making or the must be nice behavior. 01:14:41.110 --> 01:14:42.240 We should know better by now. 01:14:42.260 --> 01:14:44.740 So I can probably be more empathetic towards that. 01:14:45.160 --> 01:14:50.480 Um, I'm trying to be less harsh with my words and my tone, because it's 01:14:50.480 --> 01:14:51.860 not what you say, it's how you say it. 01:14:52.090 --> 01:14:52.110 Yeah. 01:14:52.630 --> 01:14:55.290 Um, what else am I trying to work on right now? 01:14:55.870 --> 01:15:00.210 Um, trying to be, apparently I've been told I need to slow down by 01:15:00.210 --> 01:15:01.920 the world, so I'm being slowed down. 01:15:02.460 --> 01:15:06.320 And so I'm trying to be positive with that, because, uh, last 01:15:06.320 --> 01:15:10.210 time I had this injury, I was hyper depressed, hyper suicidal. 01:15:10.250 --> 01:15:13.280 And I'm doing everything I can to make sure I look at this as 01:15:13.280 --> 01:15:14.570 a positive, that it's temporary. 01:15:14.570 --> 01:15:14.760 Yes. 01:15:14.760 --> 01:15:16.990 Six months is maybe a long time, but it's not that long 01:15:16.990 --> 01:15:18.130 in the grand scheme of things. 01:15:18.210 --> 01:15:19.490 Travis Bader: That's your knee injury there. 01:15:19.500 --> 01:15:19.560 My 01:15:19.560 --> 01:15:19.960 Kelsi Sheren: knee. 01:15:20.110 --> 01:15:20.510 Yeah. 01:15:20.560 --> 01:15:23.900 Travis Bader: That's what, but the fact that the universe just kind of unfolds 01:15:23.900 --> 01:15:29.840 as it should, um, your knee injury could be looked at as just a massive setback. 01:15:30.160 --> 01:15:31.310 You had all of these plans. 01:15:31.310 --> 01:15:33.190 You've got the speaking tour you're going on. 01:15:33.850 --> 01:15:36.220 There's new considerations that you have to be going into or. 01:15:37.175 --> 01:15:39.175 Maybe this was a place where you're supposed to be going. 01:15:39.175 --> 01:15:41.605 And I like how you phrase that, the universe is telling you 01:15:41.605 --> 01:15:42.845 that you have to slow down. 01:15:43.415 --> 01:15:43.615 Kelsi Sheren: Yeah. 01:15:43.615 --> 01:15:44.435 I go real fast. 01:15:44.445 --> 01:15:45.725 A lot of things I'm doing, I'm real fast. 01:15:45.725 --> 01:15:46.755 I'm Ricky Bobby in life. 01:15:46.785 --> 01:15:48.025 It's a real problem for me. 01:15:49.315 --> 01:15:52.595 It's like my first, your last, like it's, it's all or nothing. 01:15:52.595 --> 01:15:53.975 So, um. 01:15:54.675 --> 01:15:57.075 It just slows me down in the sense that like, I'm still gonna, I'm 01:15:57.075 --> 01:15:58.155 not going to stop speaking gigs. 01:15:58.155 --> 01:15:59.225 I'm not going to stop the travel. 01:15:59.225 --> 01:16:00.285 I go away this weekend. 01:16:00.285 --> 01:16:02.085 I go away in two more weeks down to Texas. 01:16:02.335 --> 01:16:05.035 I'm going to Dale Brisby's place and we're doing the show together. 01:16:05.285 --> 01:16:06.645 I'm not going to not go. 01:16:06.965 --> 01:16:09.385 I'm just going to go at a slower pace. 01:16:09.405 --> 01:16:11.205 I'm going to have to plan a little better. 01:16:11.205 --> 01:16:12.675 I'm going to have to leave a little earlier. 01:16:12.675 --> 01:16:14.485 I'm going to have to think about things a little more. 01:16:14.745 --> 01:16:17.805 Maybe me getting through the airport in 45 minutes, not realistic right now. 01:16:17.825 --> 01:16:18.885 Maybe it's an hour and a half. 01:16:18.885 --> 01:16:24.295 So I just have to think and slow it down because I was getting to a point where, 01:16:24.305 --> 01:16:27.440 um, Even just like a couple of weeks ago, I woke up, I had a nightmare, I woke up 01:16:27.440 --> 01:16:32.991 and I was like, huh, I have 40 summers left, huh, I'm like, I've never had that 01:16:32.991 --> 01:16:36.750 thought before, I don't have a fear of death, I don't have a fear of the next 01:16:36.920 --> 01:16:42.090 life, I don't, you know, when you do, you do psychedelics, you do learn, you do go 01:16:42.090 --> 01:16:45.270 through things, you do see other places, other things, you realize this isn't it, 01:16:45.790 --> 01:16:51.690 um, and I'm not stressed about it, I know that whenever that time is, it will be, 01:16:51.700 --> 01:16:55.800 it won't be my choice, it never is my choice, but What is my choice is how I 01:16:55.800 --> 01:16:57.650 choose to go about the life I have now. 01:16:58.070 --> 01:16:58.750 And so. 01:16:59.570 --> 01:17:04.950 When this happened on Saturday, I wasn't, I didn't scream, I didn't get angry, I 01:17:04.950 --> 01:17:09.210 didn't throw a hissy fit, I didn't melt down, I didn't, you know, fuck, this 01:17:09.250 --> 01:17:13.090 is like, why the fuck, why would this happen to me, why now, why me, why, 01:17:13.140 --> 01:17:17.080 no, it's whatever, it happened, I heard the pop, I leaned down, I went, yeah, 01:17:17.080 --> 01:17:21.500 that sucks, and, uh, I'm like, okay, I guess we just got to deal with it. 01:17:21.570 --> 01:17:24.590 Got to the bottom of the mountain and we still went to the beach. 01:17:24.590 --> 01:17:25.670 We still went in the ocean. 01:17:25.670 --> 01:17:27.850 We still, you know, it was my girlfriend's 30th birthday. 01:17:27.850 --> 01:17:30.970 And I, I, you know, I said, I, all I need today is I need, I 01:17:30.970 --> 01:17:32.230 need trees and I need the ocean. 01:17:32.230 --> 01:17:33.290 She goes, cool, let's do it. 01:17:33.300 --> 01:17:35.900 So we were driving back and she's like, Oh, I don't want you to. 01:17:35.900 --> 01:17:36.640 I said, no, let's go. 01:17:36.640 --> 01:17:37.550 Let's still go to the ocean. 01:17:37.550 --> 01:17:38.490 I want you to take time. 01:17:38.490 --> 01:17:39.350 I want you to go cleanse. 01:17:39.350 --> 01:17:40.490 I want you to do what you want to do. 01:17:40.490 --> 01:17:41.820 Set your intention for your birthday. 01:17:41.820 --> 01:17:43.250 I want, I want you to do that. 01:17:43.270 --> 01:17:43.970 We did that. 01:17:44.390 --> 01:17:46.895 Um, Got back in the car, drove home. 01:17:46.895 --> 01:17:49.745 And, you know, I said, all right, well, let's go get the cane, go 01:17:49.745 --> 01:17:53.565 grab the crutches and went and dug them out of my in laws, uh, place. 01:17:53.565 --> 01:17:55.895 And then we, you know, I just carried on. 01:17:55.905 --> 01:17:57.485 My son's like, I want to go riding today. 01:17:57.485 --> 01:17:57.975 I'm like, cool. 01:17:57.975 --> 01:17:58.965 My husband went with me. 01:17:58.965 --> 01:18:01.965 Cause he knows I can do lift the bike right now on my own and pulled 01:18:01.965 --> 01:18:03.315 the chair and watched him ride. 01:18:03.315 --> 01:18:04.245 Nothing has changed. 01:18:04.255 --> 01:18:05.295 Nothing has been weird. 01:18:05.295 --> 01:18:08.375 You know, I just, now I just got to plan for appointments, plan for 01:18:08.375 --> 01:18:12.195 two weeks where orders won't be filled, plan for podcasts in advance. 01:18:12.225 --> 01:18:14.235 It's just, now it's just more about. 01:18:14.795 --> 01:18:19.605 Okay, maybe you weren't so present, maybe you weren't paying attention, 01:18:19.615 --> 01:18:23.515 maybe you were off thinking too much about other things, causes me to force 01:18:23.515 --> 01:18:26.405 myself to slow down, come back into the present moment, come back into my 01:18:26.405 --> 01:18:30.285 body, come back into realize that I can't just get up and run, I can't just 01:18:30.285 --> 01:18:34.175 get up now and, um, and just take off or grab my stuff and leave after this. 01:18:34.245 --> 01:18:36.685 I got to get up slowly, I got to make sure I have my cane, I got to make 01:18:36.685 --> 01:18:40.740 sure that I, you know, I, I'm not going to pivot on my foot in a weird way. 01:18:40.780 --> 01:18:42.820 I have to be in my body right now. 01:18:43.620 --> 01:18:47.770 Travis Bader: Uh, last year, we're supposed to be, my wife and I 01:18:47.770 --> 01:18:48.880 were supposed to be in Hungary. 01:18:48.940 --> 01:18:49.440 We, uh. 01:18:49.480 --> 01:18:49.660 Yeah, 01:18:49.660 --> 01:18:50.060 Kelsi Sheren: I remember this. 01:18:50.520 --> 01:18:50.640 Right. 01:18:51.100 --> 01:18:53.770 Travis Bader: So, um, beautiful place. 01:18:53.770 --> 01:19:00.060 And, uh, friend is a, um, head of training in the Bavarian region for 01:19:00.070 --> 01:19:01.790 hunter education and firearms training. 01:19:01.790 --> 01:19:03.760 And he's got properties in a few different places. 01:19:04.080 --> 01:19:05.850 One of them's in Hungary. 01:19:06.300 --> 01:19:09.180 And I've never seen a hunting property with a swimming pool before. 01:19:09.480 --> 01:19:13.920 I mean, it's just absolutely beautiful, beautiful place. 01:19:14.400 --> 01:19:18.030 And I thought, Hey, pretty cool experience, pretty cool invite. 01:19:18.700 --> 01:19:25.760 Um, and we were going on a steelhead trip, uh, about a month and a half prior. 01:19:25.770 --> 01:19:30.910 And my wife fell and broke her ankle, her heel, some bones in her foot 01:19:30.940 --> 01:19:32.860 and whatever you're, what is that? 01:19:32.860 --> 01:19:33.808 Your fibula, tibia. 01:19:33.808 --> 01:19:34.167 Yeah, 01:19:34.167 --> 01:19:34.885 Kelsi Sheren: your tib 01:19:34.885 --> 01:19:35.243 Travis Bader: fib. 01:19:35.243 --> 01:19:35.961 Tib fib. 01:19:35.961 --> 01:19:39.030 Uh, Surgeon says, usually it just cracks off. 01:19:39.040 --> 01:19:41.170 We can screw it back in, but you powderized it. 01:19:41.170 --> 01:19:41.780 Can't do it. 01:19:42.170 --> 01:19:45.950 When I saw her, her foot was at a 90 degrees when I carried her out of there. 01:19:46.180 --> 01:19:50.930 Anyways, that, that kind of kiboshed a number of things and the mental 01:19:50.940 --> 01:19:56.760 game I know from my own personal injuries, but I'm acutely aware of 01:19:56.790 --> 01:19:59.670 these cool things that we're supposed to be doing that now we can't do. 01:19:59.670 --> 01:20:02.390 We're not going to be hunting and hiking through the Hungarian 01:20:03.250 --> 01:20:05.830 hillsides, uh, that mental game. 01:20:06.800 --> 01:20:09.530 Can be really difficult with the ever present. 01:20:10.565 --> 01:20:12.845 Injury and pain that you're, you're dealing with. 01:20:13.175 --> 01:20:14.495 How do you keep your mental game on point? 01:20:15.365 --> 01:20:17.335 Kelsi Sheren: Yeah, it's constant work. 01:20:17.715 --> 01:20:22.835 That's a, that is one that is like, uh, that this is the best part of right now. 01:20:22.835 --> 01:20:24.405 And this is why I'm facing it this way. 01:20:24.405 --> 01:20:25.405 This is just a challenge. 01:20:25.445 --> 01:20:28.535 This is just an opportunity to show up and say, you are who you say you are. 01:20:29.245 --> 01:20:30.525 You know, that's what this is for me. 01:20:30.525 --> 01:20:34.895 This is, this is, it's a setback in the sense of, um, yeah, I can't go 01:20:34.895 --> 01:20:36.175 do the hundred mile I wanted to do. 01:20:36.485 --> 01:20:38.965 Um, yeah, I might not be able to go hunt this year. 01:20:39.345 --> 01:20:42.375 Um, maybe that's why I didn't get him, you know, picked for Invictus 01:20:42.425 --> 01:20:44.435 this year because I wouldn't have been able to do it now. 01:20:44.745 --> 01:20:48.675 Maybe that's, uh, you know, maybe that's why a lot of the things that 01:20:48.695 --> 01:20:50.745 I had applied for didn't pan out 01:20:51.095 --> 01:20:51.865 Travis Bader: because, 01:20:52.785 --> 01:20:54.315 Kelsi Sheren: because if you signed up, they were at the beginning of next 01:20:54.315 --> 01:20:55.205 year, they wouldn't have happened. 01:20:55.215 --> 01:20:55.505 Travis Bader: Right. 01:20:55.735 --> 01:20:57.075 Kelsi Sheren: So you would have lost opportunity. 01:20:57.075 --> 01:20:59.175 That would have been the only time, you know, maybe. 01:20:59.420 --> 01:21:01.910 Maybe there are bigger things at play for you here. 01:21:02.330 --> 01:21:07.080 And so, uh, for me, it's constant work every single day. 01:21:07.360 --> 01:21:11.500 And I don't say, I don't use the word work the same way people think of work. 01:21:11.510 --> 01:21:13.610 I mean, it's work in the sense that I have to put the effort in 01:21:14.040 --> 01:21:14.990 and I have to show up and do it. 01:21:15.310 --> 01:21:18.010 It's not in the sense of, It's hard. 01:21:18.540 --> 01:21:22.310 Um, you know, it's for a financial gain. 01:21:22.320 --> 01:21:23.520 It's not work in that sense. 01:21:23.530 --> 01:21:25.960 It's just that it requires accountability and discipline. 01:21:26.340 --> 01:21:30.040 And so for me, that means that I have to meditate once a day, even if 01:21:30.040 --> 01:21:31.600 it's for five minutes, that's fine. 01:21:31.910 --> 01:21:33.390 I have to ground at least once a day. 01:21:33.390 --> 01:21:35.840 I don't care if it's raining or snowing, you're going to go find some dirt and 01:21:35.840 --> 01:21:36.630 you're going to go find something. 01:21:36.630 --> 01:21:37.350 You're going to stand in it. 01:21:37.620 --> 01:21:39.080 Luckily, I live close enough the ocean. 01:21:39.350 --> 01:21:41.300 If it's the winter, I just go stand in that and freeze. 01:21:41.330 --> 01:21:41.820 It's fine. 01:21:42.420 --> 01:21:43.690 Um, or I go swim in it. 01:21:43.700 --> 01:21:44.820 That's also good too. 01:21:45.160 --> 01:21:46.740 Uh, for me, it's a. 01:21:47.260 --> 01:21:50.210 It, this sounds silly, but it's really important to me that my husband gives 01:21:50.210 --> 01:21:51.550 me a hug and a kiss before he leaves. 01:21:51.980 --> 01:21:52.160 Travis Bader: It's 01:21:52.160 --> 01:21:53.040 Kelsi Sheren: really important that my son. 01:21:53.040 --> 01:21:53.407 Why does that 01:21:53.407 --> 01:21:53.890 Travis Bader: sound silly? 01:21:54.070 --> 01:21:56.460 Kelsi Sheren: Uh, because some people don't see that as a mental health 01:21:56.460 --> 01:21:59.350 support because maybe they don't have a spouse or they don't have someone. 01:21:59.870 --> 01:22:03.120 But for me, that's part of my mental health because I'm a big believer 01:22:03.120 --> 01:22:05.360 that if he leaves that house and gets in a car accident and dies and 01:22:05.360 --> 01:22:08.470 I never see him again, that I will never, ever question that he knew. 01:22:09.020 --> 01:22:10.130 Um, same with my son. 01:22:10.340 --> 01:22:13.480 It's really important that when he leaves in the morning, he's hugged and kissed 01:22:13.490 --> 01:22:16.680 and told that he's going to kill it and that he's got an amazing day ahead of him 01:22:17.270 --> 01:22:20.750 that helps my mental health because, and the way it does is because I'm a mother 01:22:20.750 --> 01:22:23.160 and a wife, um, before I'm anything else. 01:22:23.260 --> 01:22:28.180 And it's really important that I have done what I would have want done for 01:22:28.180 --> 01:22:32.020 me, which is acknowledgement to be seen, to be heard and to be loved and then 01:22:32.020 --> 01:22:33.280 to be sent out to the world that way. 01:22:34.190 --> 01:22:36.030 Um, my eating. 01:22:36.260 --> 01:22:37.200 Is really important. 01:22:37.200 --> 01:22:41.070 90 percent of our serotonin comes from our gut and we act as if food 01:22:41.090 --> 01:22:42.520 doesn't affect us, but it does. 01:22:42.540 --> 01:22:44.610 It's the first thing that we should be looking at when we're 01:22:44.610 --> 01:22:45.650 feeling a depressive state. 01:22:46.150 --> 01:22:49.380 Um, what I put in my body is going to directly affect my mental health 01:22:49.380 --> 01:22:51.080 and my wellbeing 24 hours later. 01:22:51.080 --> 01:22:51.789 Travis Bader: Okay. 01:22:51.790 --> 01:22:54.210 Tell me about this because I was raised on sugar. 01:22:54.400 --> 01:22:54.890 Kelsi Sheren: Oh, okay. 01:22:55.770 --> 01:22:55.800 Travis Bader: Right? 01:22:56.170 --> 01:22:56.340 Yeah. 01:22:56.340 --> 01:23:00.600 I, um, high, high levels of sugar, every, every meal had a dessert with it. 01:23:01.010 --> 01:23:02.690 Um, thought that was normal. 01:23:02.710 --> 01:23:03.920 I don't know if that's a Dutch thing. 01:23:04.920 --> 01:23:10.460 Having the bakery background or who knows what it is, but I never saw a 01:23:10.460 --> 01:23:16.660 correlation between what I eat and how I feel until I was probably in my thirties. 01:23:16.910 --> 01:23:18.770 I don't know why it took so damn long. 01:23:18.820 --> 01:23:20.230 I quite often. 01:23:20.295 --> 01:23:23.345 I, I just ignore things, perhaps. 01:23:23.345 --> 01:23:23.535 Well, 01:23:23.685 --> 01:23:24.735 Kelsi Sheren: I don't think you ignore things. 01:23:24.755 --> 01:23:27.295 It's, uh, that's how society was trained, actually. 01:23:27.295 --> 01:23:31.035 So you only noticed it because you became an adult and your eyes opened. 01:23:31.195 --> 01:23:34.625 The reason you never noticed it is because it was designed for you to not notice it. 01:23:35.855 --> 01:23:38.105 That's, that's the makeup of our food industry. 01:23:38.125 --> 01:23:41.065 That's not to say that there isn't accountability on the parent's part, 01:23:41.065 --> 01:23:43.895 but if the parent's not educated on it, they're only going off what they're told 01:23:43.895 --> 01:23:45.365 by their doctors and their food pyramid. 01:23:45.385 --> 01:23:48.885 Well, if they're told that this is the dietary standards for 01:23:48.885 --> 01:23:50.295 America and Canada, guess what? 01:23:50.305 --> 01:23:51.735 The doctor's going to advise on that. 01:23:51.735 --> 01:23:53.185 Your parents going to feed you based on that. 01:23:53.185 --> 01:23:54.045 And that doesn't mean it's right. 01:23:54.645 --> 01:23:58.465 So, um, I don't think that, uh, you weren't smart or weren't paying 01:23:58.465 --> 01:23:59.615 attention or anything like that. 01:23:59.850 --> 01:24:04.240 You're just, you fell victim to what the food industry was designed for 01:24:04.240 --> 01:24:07.510 you to do, which is to be fed sugar, to be fed bullshit, to make you 01:24:07.520 --> 01:24:12.330 sick, to make you unwell, to make you medicated, to make you now money. 01:24:13.290 --> 01:24:17.930 So I, you know, nowadays where we have technology and we have everything that 01:24:17.930 --> 01:24:21.070 we have with social media and all these other things, I think, I think they're, 01:24:21.080 --> 01:24:22.970 now it becomes, now it's an excuse. 01:24:23.000 --> 01:24:26.540 Now it's a, uh, a lack of accountability on the parent's part. 01:24:26.770 --> 01:24:28.750 But when you were being raised and I was being raised, no. 01:24:29.100 --> 01:24:30.270 That was, that was normal, man. 01:24:30.460 --> 01:24:31.740 Travis Bader: So I was fortunate enough. 01:24:31.760 --> 01:24:34.860 My wife's a Red Seal chef, makes fantastic food. 01:24:34.860 --> 01:24:40.100 And so I'm eating good stuff since, known her since my late teens. 01:24:40.100 --> 01:24:40.360 Right. 01:24:40.370 --> 01:24:46.530 Um, but, uh, so eating well, but the idea that the food is how I feel, or if you're 01:24:46.530 --> 01:24:48.600 in a depressive state, it's what you eat. 01:24:48.860 --> 01:24:49.590 Tell me about that. 01:24:49.600 --> 01:24:52.650 So if you recognize, okay, I'm in a depressive state, what are you doing 01:24:52.650 --> 01:24:53.830 to your diet or what are you changing? 01:24:54.210 --> 01:24:57.040 Kelsi Sheren: I'm changing, I'm looking at what I'm eating right away and I'm going, 01:24:57.060 --> 01:25:00.820 did I eat bullshit yesterday, did I eat a bunch of sugar yesterday, did I eat too 01:25:00.830 --> 01:25:04.680 late, did I move that day, did I drink enough water, was I watching the news, 01:25:04.710 --> 01:25:08.750 was I surrounding myself with negative podcasts, was I surrounding myself with 01:25:08.780 --> 01:25:12.540 negative people, and I start going down the checklist, and that's like the first 01:25:12.540 --> 01:25:15.435 thing I do with clients is I do the same thing with myself, Everything I'm teaching 01:25:15.435 --> 01:25:18.405 a client, I've already done with myself, or I'm not going to teach it to you. 01:25:18.445 --> 01:25:19.125 That's ridiculous. 01:25:19.125 --> 01:25:20.425 I'll give you to somebody that knows better. 01:25:20.955 --> 01:25:21.965 I'm just going to tell you what I know. 01:25:22.415 --> 01:25:25.575 And so, yeah, well, I mean, again, that, that comes down to the, you are who you 01:25:25.575 --> 01:25:27.025 say you are, you practice what you preach. 01:25:27.055 --> 01:25:28.725 It's people call it discipline. 01:25:28.725 --> 01:25:29.715 They call it whatever it's called. 01:25:29.715 --> 01:25:32.905 No, it's if you haven't walked the path, don't try to lead somebody down it. 01:25:32.925 --> 01:25:32.935 I 01:25:33.065 --> 01:25:33.375 Travis Bader: like that. 01:25:34.325 --> 01:25:34.585 Kelsi Sheren: Yeah. 01:25:34.595 --> 01:25:38.455 So, uh, when it comes to food, uh, yeah, I know when I'm not eating right. 01:25:38.595 --> 01:25:41.755 I know, I know, but I have to decide if I want to pretend I 01:25:41.755 --> 01:25:45.785 don't know, or I just want to like say, Oh man, I worked out today. 01:25:45.785 --> 01:25:46.195 It's fine. 01:25:46.225 --> 01:25:46.815 It's not fine. 01:25:46.815 --> 01:25:50.285 If you ate, you know, Dairy Queen the night before, and then you guys went out 01:25:50.285 --> 01:25:54.945 for dinner and maybe you ate shitty food that was filled with, um, a ton of carbs 01:25:54.975 --> 01:25:56.585 and a ton of sauce and a ton of stuff. 01:25:56.615 --> 01:25:57.425 And it wasn't clean. 01:25:57.745 --> 01:26:00.810 Um, so, I know personally for me dairy hates my body. 01:26:00.840 --> 01:26:01.590 We're not friends. 01:26:01.670 --> 01:26:06.360 We're not homies, but you know most of my life When I was younger, I had 01:26:06.360 --> 01:26:10.160 a lot of dairy, but I also had 11 ear surgeries because I was having problems 01:26:10.160 --> 01:26:13.860 with dairy, but my doctor would just keep telling my mom I needed more tubes 01:26:13.860 --> 01:26:17.210 in my ears when really what I needed is to stop eating dairy because it was 01:26:17.220 --> 01:26:22.780 highly inflammatory for my body and it was affecting my body massively. 01:26:23.295 --> 01:26:25.145 And then I look at things like sugar. 01:26:25.695 --> 01:26:26.865 Well, are you eating natural sugar? 01:26:26.945 --> 01:26:28.105 Or are you eating processed sugar? 01:26:28.525 --> 01:26:31.445 Different things because fruit, we're having a different conversation if 01:26:31.445 --> 01:26:34.035 you're eating a slice of watermelon versus eating a candy bar. 01:26:34.095 --> 01:26:34.445 Travis Bader: Right. 01:26:34.495 --> 01:26:34.745 Very 01:26:34.745 --> 01:26:35.335 Kelsi Sheren: different things. 01:26:35.685 --> 01:26:37.775 Um, and then it comes down to meat. 01:26:37.815 --> 01:26:38.495 I eat meat. 01:26:38.535 --> 01:26:39.815 I eat majority meat. 01:26:39.855 --> 01:26:44.325 If I could afford a bag of carnivore snacks a day, I would, I am on a limit 01:26:44.335 --> 01:26:47.685 on a budget with them because I go insane and I would live off of them. 01:26:48.205 --> 01:26:51.365 Like legitimately I would live off of them. 01:26:51.645 --> 01:26:55.615 When I buy them, I buy six to 10 bags at a time and they last me three days. 01:26:56.655 --> 01:26:57.095 Travis Bader: I love it. 01:26:57.135 --> 01:26:58.315 Kelsi Sheren: It's five ounce a bag. 01:26:58.345 --> 01:26:59.645 I go through them like it's nothing. 01:26:59.655 --> 01:27:03.355 Like I get the ribeye, I get the strip loin and I just dummy 01:27:03.355 --> 01:27:04.495 the living hell out of them. 01:27:04.885 --> 01:27:06.815 And so carnivore snacks are my jam, but. 01:27:07.635 --> 01:27:08.855 It's because it's just easy. 01:27:08.885 --> 01:27:10.185 It's convenient for me, right? 01:27:10.495 --> 01:27:12.075 And then I eat steak at night. 01:27:12.335 --> 01:27:13.685 Like the other night I had two rib eyes. 01:27:13.705 --> 01:27:14.485 My husband's like, Really? 01:27:14.485 --> 01:27:14.725 Two? 01:27:14.725 --> 01:27:15.585 And I was like, Two. 01:27:15.655 --> 01:27:17.005 Today is a two day. 01:27:17.365 --> 01:27:21.295 And it's because I know right now, even though my blood type 01:27:21.295 --> 01:27:26.184 says chicken, fish, and turkey, I actually don't feel that good. 01:27:26.505 --> 01:27:30.745 When I only eat that meat, I actually feel better when I eat predominantly red meat. 01:27:31.385 --> 01:27:32.965 Um, so that's been important. 01:27:33.075 --> 01:27:33.875 Cut out carbs. 01:27:33.915 --> 01:27:35.935 Carbs are highly inflammatory for me. 01:27:35.995 --> 01:27:37.395 I don't drink alcohol anymore. 01:27:37.405 --> 01:27:38.705 I haven't drank in almost a year. 01:27:38.715 --> 01:27:40.325 I don't drink alcohol at all anymore. 01:27:40.615 --> 01:27:41.975 Uh, I use ketones instead. 01:27:41.975 --> 01:27:45.765 I just, if I'm going out, I take a ketone shot and I do a microdose if I want to. 01:27:46.060 --> 01:27:48.630 Change my, uh, my perspective of things. 01:27:49.130 --> 01:27:50.610 Um, I don't drink. 01:27:50.820 --> 01:27:54.810 And so that's been huge because the drinking is highly inflammatory. 01:27:54.810 --> 01:27:59.160 It affects my TBI, uh, that I, you know, I still always working with, 01:27:59.490 --> 01:28:02.600 but it affects my body, affects my gut health, which affects my serotonin, 01:28:02.600 --> 01:28:03.900 which affects my depressive state. 01:28:03.940 --> 01:28:07.350 And so I go through the gamut and I go, okay, where am I failing? 01:28:07.440 --> 01:28:08.450 Where could I do better? 01:28:08.870 --> 01:28:11.100 Um, and if I'm going to do better, how do I get that to be 01:28:11.100 --> 01:28:12.750 consistent instead of so yo yo? 01:28:12.760 --> 01:28:12.780 Yeah. 01:28:13.940 --> 01:28:16.700 Travis Bader: It's funny, you mentioned something in there about your coaching. 01:28:17.410 --> 01:28:24.670 And, uh, so a few weeks ago, uh, Doc Carlos guy out of, uh, I think, you know 01:28:24.670 --> 01:28:29.000 him out of the States or asked me to give a, uh, talk for his master's class. 01:28:29.040 --> 01:28:32.930 Uh, there are a bunch of, um, uh, psychiatrists, I guess, going through it. 01:28:33.820 --> 01:28:39.250 Uh, in a university program there and somehow heard about me, maybe talk 01:28:39.250 --> 01:28:41.060 about ADHD or something, who knows? 01:28:41.090 --> 01:28:43.030 I probably from that speech that I gave. 01:28:43.060 --> 01:28:43.490 There you go. 01:28:43.490 --> 01:28:44.125 Kelsi Sheren: I told you it 01:28:44.125 --> 01:28:44.534 Travis Bader: was good. 01:28:44.534 --> 01:28:45.250 There you go. 01:28:45.610 --> 01:28:49.080 But, um, anyways, asked me to talk with the class and one of the 01:28:49.080 --> 01:28:51.830 students, he says, you know, like, what's one of the things that you 01:28:51.830 --> 01:28:53.750 would recommend, like that we do? 01:28:53.750 --> 01:28:58.565 And I says, you Fill up your book, fill up your, um, contact list with 01:28:58.595 --> 01:29:02.285 other people in the industry that you know, that have different life 01:29:02.285 --> 01:29:04.995 experiences, different modalities, different ways of dealing with it. 01:29:05.355 --> 01:29:08.990 And the second that you realize that you Aren't the right fit for that 01:29:08.990 --> 01:29:13.800 person, point them in the direction of somebody who you trust who is, and that's 01:29:13.800 --> 01:29:14.970 something that you just said right there. 01:29:14.970 --> 01:29:17.040 Hey, if I don't know it, if I don't have it, I'm going to point 01:29:17.040 --> 01:29:17.920 you in the direction I know. 01:29:18.440 --> 01:29:22.440 And I think that's a sign of, no, I don't think you've gone to 01:29:22.440 --> 01:29:24.880 university as a psychiatrist, but. 01:29:25.550 --> 01:29:25.890 Kelsi Sheren: No. 01:29:26.490 --> 01:29:30.500 Travis Bader: That was a takeaway that, uh, I think Stalker landed with them. 01:29:30.500 --> 01:29:31.740 They thought, Oh, that's a great idea. 01:29:31.740 --> 01:29:32.340 That's good. 01:29:32.440 --> 01:29:36.640 So many people want to profess to be the expert so bad, they want to help a 01:29:36.640 --> 01:29:41.440 person, but help really is, I'm not the right person you should be talking with. 01:29:41.460 --> 01:29:44.190 I don't have the right background to truly understand what you're at. 01:29:44.290 --> 01:29:44.710 Kelsi Sheren: Yeah, no. 01:29:44.710 --> 01:29:45.870 And that's a hundred percent of the truth. 01:29:46.140 --> 01:29:49.360 The soonest you can, the sooner you can realize that you don't know everything. 01:29:50.505 --> 01:29:51.215 You're on the path. 01:29:52.435 --> 01:29:53.775 Travis Bader: Is there anything else we should be talking about? 01:29:54.045 --> 01:29:55.505 Kelsi Sheren: Oh man, a million things. 01:29:56.565 --> 01:29:58.335 There's a million things we should be talking about. 01:29:58.365 --> 01:30:01.425 Uh, maids always a good one that we should always be talking about. 01:30:01.765 --> 01:30:03.325 Um, that one's getting aggressive. 01:30:03.325 --> 01:30:04.355 We're learning a lot more. 01:30:04.855 --> 01:30:08.675 We actually learned that, uh, Canada, you know, I've talked about the stats on 01:30:08.675 --> 01:30:14.000 Piers Morgan before about, um, You know, the uptick, the 10, 000, the 13, 000. 01:30:14.470 --> 01:30:18.750 Well, the reality is Canada since 2016 has killed 60, 900. 01:30:19.050 --> 01:30:19.550 What? 01:30:19.850 --> 01:30:20.140 Yep. 01:30:21.030 --> 01:30:22.920 We've surpassed, uh, the Netherlands. 01:30:23.880 --> 01:30:27.900 Um, Canada is now using made as the treatment, not the 01:30:27.910 --> 01:30:29.440 last resort, which is why. 01:30:30.165 --> 01:30:34.055 Um, the stuff I've learned in, in recent months, um, the documentary 01:30:34.065 --> 01:30:39.055 with, uh, you know, uh, Kion and Sheila from Rebel was amazing. 01:30:39.065 --> 01:30:40.955 It's very well done. 01:30:41.025 --> 01:30:44.525 It is highly educational and it'll blow a lot of people's minds 01:30:44.525 --> 01:30:46.035 part to see what's really in it. 01:30:47.235 --> 01:30:53.165 Um, I learned that, uh, within Made, um, the stuff I dropped on Jordan was 01:30:53.165 --> 01:30:57.295 not only, um, True, but there's so much more to the drugs we actually use. 01:30:58.045 --> 01:31:00.595 Um, a lot of people said, you know, we don't currently use 01:31:00.595 --> 01:31:01.815 sodium theopentyl anymore. 01:31:01.815 --> 01:31:05.015 Yes, depending on the doctor for sure, but also the drugs we do 01:31:05.015 --> 01:31:06.205 use are from the same family. 01:31:06.415 --> 01:31:06.635 Hmm. 01:31:06.655 --> 01:31:08.955 Which cause the same edema, which cause the same problems, 01:31:08.955 --> 01:31:10.005 which cause the same pain. 01:31:10.515 --> 01:31:13.305 So that'll take that question out of people's minds. 01:31:13.705 --> 01:31:17.355 Um, What else should we be talking about with that? 01:31:17.375 --> 01:31:20.955 You know, um, there's more, there's just more there. 01:31:21.235 --> 01:31:21.715 You've done 01:31:21.755 --> 01:31:23.445 Travis Bader: some massive work on that front. 01:31:23.835 --> 01:31:29.965 And so you've got the, the Apple program as well, and, um, I think 01:31:29.965 --> 01:31:33.105 there's still a whole ton of work to be done, but you've got a huge voice. 01:31:33.115 --> 01:31:34.775 It's really shone a spotlight on it. 01:31:35.135 --> 01:31:37.505 Kelsi Sheren: Well, I think, I think most of the time, this is what I 01:31:37.535 --> 01:31:39.305 meant by like rebranding my show. 01:31:39.355 --> 01:31:40.515 And one of the things is. 01:31:40.725 --> 01:31:46.055 You know, to be able to have these conversations, uh, segments and 01:31:46.055 --> 01:31:46.945 things like that in the show. 01:31:46.945 --> 01:31:49.375 So it's not always just, you know, mental health, wellness, 01:31:49.375 --> 01:31:51.755 and resiliency and, you know, entrepreneurship and things like that. 01:31:51.755 --> 01:31:55.515 But it's about like looking at so much more, way broader scope. 01:31:55.845 --> 01:31:59.635 Um, my husband wants me to do a segment called full clip. 01:32:00.105 --> 01:32:00.595 Travis Bader: Full clip? 01:32:00.595 --> 01:32:00.905 Yeah. 01:32:01.205 --> 01:32:02.705 So are you just like unload full loop? 01:32:02.705 --> 01:32:03.065 Just let 01:32:03.065 --> 01:32:03.515 Kelsi Sheren: it out. 01:32:04.145 --> 01:32:05.095 Just let it out. 01:32:05.095 --> 01:32:05.425 Mag dump. 01:32:05.495 --> 01:32:06.605 Yeah, exactly. 01:32:06.615 --> 01:32:08.825 About like something that's on my mind or something that's important. 01:32:08.825 --> 01:32:09.835 So we're probably going to add that. 01:32:10.115 --> 01:32:10.185 Okay. 01:32:10.225 --> 01:32:15.875 Um, And, uh, I think it takes a village, uh, one thing that I 01:32:16.055 --> 01:32:18.715 did, somebody did say to me that kind of shocked me a little bit. 01:32:18.735 --> 01:32:21.835 And, um, you know, most people don't in Canada don't know about made, 01:32:21.835 --> 01:32:25.645 they don't want to know about made, or they also think that, but my 01:32:25.645 --> 01:32:27.795 grandma used made, she was peaceful. 01:32:27.915 --> 01:32:28.075 Yeah. 01:32:28.075 --> 01:32:29.155 But she was under a paralytic. 01:32:29.185 --> 01:32:30.475 That's why she looked peaceful, homie. 01:32:30.905 --> 01:32:33.495 Also, we should take a look and people should start looking into 01:32:33.495 --> 01:32:36.245 the fact that Canada became one of the world's largest organ donors. 01:32:36.245 --> 01:32:37.715 The same time made was legalized. 01:32:38.105 --> 01:32:38.755 Travis Bader: Interesting. 01:32:38.815 --> 01:32:40.785 Kelsi Sheren: It's really nasty and you should do dive on that. 01:32:41.455 --> 01:32:44.735 Um, it's a little bit worse than people want to realize on that. 01:32:44.815 --> 01:32:48.265 Uh, also, cause you can't harvest organs from a dead body. 01:32:48.345 --> 01:32:48.635 Right. 01:32:48.635 --> 01:32:51.335 So, just leave that dot, dot, dot. 01:32:51.805 --> 01:32:56.225 Um, and also, I just realized that, uh, you know, when this person came 01:32:56.225 --> 01:32:57.915 forward to me, her name is, um, Angelina. 01:32:57.915 --> 01:33:00.715 She uh, Runs the, um, the hospice, the hospice. 01:33:00.715 --> 01:33:02.675 Well, she used to run the hospice before the government took it away 01:33:02.675 --> 01:33:06.985 from her because she was the only hospice that was a no kill hospice. 01:33:07.435 --> 01:33:08.775 And now you can't have that in Canada. 01:33:08.775 --> 01:33:11.025 You have to provide maid there, which is disgusting. 01:33:11.385 --> 01:33:15.935 Um, what I learned is that, uh, she said to me, you know, Kelsey. 01:33:16.105 --> 01:33:19.715 In five years of doing what we've done that one clip reached more people 01:33:19.715 --> 01:33:20.915 than we could reach in five years 01:33:20.955 --> 01:33:21.405 Travis Bader: really 01:33:21.575 --> 01:33:24.315 Kelsi Sheren: and I realized that when I got out of my car at the first at the 01:33:24.325 --> 01:33:27.385 premiere of the documentary and within three minutes people were on me telling 01:33:27.385 --> 01:33:29.035 me stories about their family members. 01:33:29.515 --> 01:33:31.625 Um, it's it's a. 01:33:32.435 --> 01:33:36.825 It's a wild time we're in for health care, um, because Canada doesn't have any more. 01:33:36.825 --> 01:33:39.785 We have death care and so when people say medical assistance and 01:33:39.785 --> 01:33:45.815 dying, uh, you know, Oh, it's like, uh, murder assistance and dying, 01:33:45.825 --> 01:33:46.985 you know, it's what we're doing. 01:33:46.995 --> 01:33:48.965 We're not just doing made, we're doing euthanasia. 01:33:49.075 --> 01:33:52.035 Which is something a little different, which is wild. 01:33:52.075 --> 01:33:56.825 Uh, Angelina created this, um, national wide registry called, uh, the D and 01:33:56.825 --> 01:34:00.365 E do not euthanize and, um, you can get a card, you can get put on it, 01:34:00.365 --> 01:34:02.725 you can legally protect yourself or your family members, which is 01:34:02.725 --> 01:34:04.495 something I suggest everyone does. 01:34:04.565 --> 01:34:05.345 Travis Bader: That's interesting. 01:34:05.830 --> 01:34:06.490 Didn't know about that one. 01:34:06.550 --> 01:34:06.700 Yeah. 01:34:06.700 --> 01:34:08.290 Kelsi Sheren: The Delta Hospice Society does it. 01:34:08.320 --> 01:34:10.440 Angelina can get you on that registry. 01:34:10.490 --> 01:34:13.460 Um, they also provide, uh, they're called, uh, angels. 01:34:13.820 --> 01:34:16.760 If you don't have a love, you don't, can't go with a loved one who's older 01:34:16.780 --> 01:34:20.130 or for somebody who's struggling and may not be able to communicate well and 01:34:20.130 --> 01:34:23.310 does, as opposed to MAID, they'll send somebody to the hospital with them. 01:34:23.850 --> 01:34:25.270 And so I've learned about that. 01:34:25.270 --> 01:34:28.690 I've learned about all of these underground lawyers and doctors 01:34:28.690 --> 01:34:32.750 who are fighting the system in MAID who are being, you know, Dying 01:34:32.750 --> 01:34:34.000 with dignities going after them. 01:34:35.180 --> 01:34:36.960 Travis Bader: If people wanted resources on all of that, 01:34:36.960 --> 01:34:37.480 where would they find that? 01:34:37.760 --> 01:34:40.110 Kelsi Sheren: To be honest with you, it's kind of hyper 01:34:40.110 --> 01:34:41.720 compartmentalized for a reason. 01:34:41.930 --> 01:34:43.600 They don't want you to know all the information. 01:34:43.600 --> 01:34:45.220 They don't want you to find all the information. 01:34:45.220 --> 01:34:46.360 They don't want to find the drugs. 01:34:46.360 --> 01:34:47.480 They don't want to find the doctors. 01:34:47.800 --> 01:34:50.190 There is a list of doctors in Canada that are doing it. 01:34:50.220 --> 01:34:52.910 There's a documentary out with a lady named Liz Carr. 01:34:52.910 --> 01:34:53.640 She's a disabled. 01:34:53.770 --> 01:34:57.710 Actress from the UK that the name of the podcast off the top of my head. 01:34:57.760 --> 01:35:00.950 I mean of the documentary I can't remember Alicia who was on my show 01:35:00.950 --> 01:35:02.200 on the brass and unity podcast. 01:35:02.220 --> 01:35:05.750 She's in that one as well Okay, I have interviewed with Liz my part didn't 01:35:05.750 --> 01:35:08.700 make it we were talking about something different, but Liz was amazing. 01:35:08.700 --> 01:35:12.060 I met her She's awesome This documentary is amazing, but she 01:35:12.060 --> 01:35:16.970 actually sat down with one of the, uh, the death doctors in BC and, um, 01:35:16.980 --> 01:35:19.300 it's disturbing to say the very least. 01:35:19.330 --> 01:35:23.440 Um, she's also one of the highest abortion doctors in Canada, but she's also one of 01:35:23.440 --> 01:35:25.570 the highest, uh, made doctors in Canada. 01:35:25.910 --> 01:35:29.150 And she like States with legitimate crazy eyes. 01:35:29.230 --> 01:35:31.030 I love to kill my patients. 01:35:31.300 --> 01:35:34.990 Like it's, it's concerning, hyper concerning. 01:35:35.360 --> 01:35:39.580 Um, And then, you know, just, I think people, I wish people would open their 01:35:39.580 --> 01:35:43.290 eyes to it because, you know, the statement to me over and over and over 01:35:43.290 --> 01:35:47.350 and over again as I was offered made, you know, the reason I was going to take 01:35:47.350 --> 01:35:52.450 it was my grandparent did it and it was peaceful and the hardest conversation 01:35:52.450 --> 01:35:57.890 I've ever had to have, which was, I know it looked peaceful to you, but 01:35:57.890 --> 01:36:00.160 it was designed to, and here's why. 01:36:00.340 --> 01:36:02.700 And I'm so sorry that happened to your loved one. 01:36:03.210 --> 01:36:07.430 Because what we know is that a paralytic is used in order for it to look peaceful. 01:36:07.850 --> 01:36:11.580 And yes, sometimes the anesthesia works, but guess what? 01:36:11.800 --> 01:36:14.080 A lot of the time, there's a reason why there's a second 01:36:14.090 --> 01:36:15.580 made kit forcefully brought. 01:36:15.790 --> 01:36:17.300 It's mandatory to have two kits. 01:36:17.910 --> 01:36:20.710 So, um, there are better and easier ways. 01:36:20.910 --> 01:36:23.990 We can use made on people and euthanize people, but we don't. 01:36:24.400 --> 01:36:25.160 I'd like to know why. 01:36:26.100 --> 01:36:27.440 You can do it with two drugs, not four. 01:36:27.880 --> 01:36:29.980 You can do it in a non painless way, but we don't. 01:36:30.450 --> 01:36:34.780 And so the thing that I, I wish people would understand is, yes, 01:36:34.790 --> 01:36:36.900 you may not agree with me on this. 01:36:37.335 --> 01:36:39.035 And that's okay, you, that's every right. 01:36:39.695 --> 01:36:43.275 But once you start to understand, uh, I would like to think any 01:36:43.275 --> 01:36:47.045 sane human being who has empathy would also agree with me too. 01:36:48.675 --> 01:36:50.245 Travis Bader: I think maybe you should get a website put together 01:36:50.245 --> 01:36:51.065 with all the different links. 01:36:51.075 --> 01:36:51.915 Oh my God. 01:36:51.985 --> 01:36:56.485 Kelsi Sheren: So there is a euthanasia prevention website out of London, Ontario. 01:36:56.525 --> 01:36:58.195 Uh, the gentleman's name is Alex. 01:36:58.705 --> 01:36:59.785 That website will blow your mind. 01:37:00.755 --> 01:37:02.935 He has blogged every major thing that has ever happened with MAID. 01:37:02.935 --> 01:37:04.195 It's actually bananas. 01:37:04.195 --> 01:37:05.525 He's one of the best researchers I have. 01:37:05.955 --> 01:37:06.345 Uh, Dr. 01:37:06.345 --> 01:37:06.785 Joel Z. 01:37:06.785 --> 01:37:08.105 Vogt and I are in touch. 01:37:08.105 --> 01:37:10.155 He was the guy's testimony I read on Jordan Peterson. 01:37:10.165 --> 01:37:10.845 We're in touch. 01:37:11.245 --> 01:37:12.255 Um, he's coming on the show. 01:37:12.275 --> 01:37:12.915 We're going to talk. 01:37:13.525 --> 01:37:15.225 Same with Angelina from Deltas Hospice. 01:37:15.305 --> 01:37:16.845 Uh, same from some other lawyers. 01:37:17.285 --> 01:37:22.255 Same with, uh, the lawyer who is currently from Valor Law bringing the MAID case 01:37:22.275 --> 01:37:27.395 and the vaccine case to, um, The courts right now, um, she's coming on the show. 01:37:27.395 --> 01:37:28.745 She's coming up from Edmonton to chat. 01:37:29.165 --> 01:37:31.085 Um, so there's going to be a lot more on this topic. 01:37:31.085 --> 01:37:33.505 We're not definitely not going to, um, slow down on it. 01:37:33.565 --> 01:37:36.045 If anything, we're going to hit the floor a little harder with it. 01:37:36.565 --> 01:37:39.275 We're going to talk a little more openly and we're going to talk to some people. 01:37:39.275 --> 01:37:40.745 Kayla Pollock's coming on the show. 01:37:40.795 --> 01:37:44.345 She's the first person who is a quadriplegic from the Moderna vaccine. 01:37:44.945 --> 01:37:46.415 Um, she was just on Alex Jones. 01:37:46.425 --> 01:37:47.795 She was just on Tammy Peterson. 01:37:47.805 --> 01:37:48.455 She's coming on. 01:37:48.865 --> 01:37:50.275 Travis Bader: Are you getting pushback 01:37:50.355 --> 01:37:52.005 Kelsi Sheren: demonetized. 01:37:52.175 --> 01:37:52.585 Travis Bader: Okay. 01:37:52.595 --> 01:37:53.030 Tell me about that. 01:37:53.030 --> 01:37:53.414 Well, YouTube 01:37:53.415 --> 01:37:56.575 Kelsi Sheren: demonetizes based on the episodes. 01:37:56.575 --> 01:38:00.265 Like for example, I had, I had Buck Angel on the show last week. 01:38:00.745 --> 01:38:04.645 Buck Angel is a transsexual who transitioned 30 plus years ago. 01:38:05.035 --> 01:38:07.645 Um, Buck is somebody I genuinely respect. 01:38:07.645 --> 01:38:09.765 He transitioned from a female to a male. 01:38:09.815 --> 01:38:10.895 He knows he's not a male. 01:38:10.905 --> 01:38:11.985 He knows that he. 01:38:12.185 --> 01:38:15.295 He says, I have a mental disorder that causes me to want to be 01:38:15.525 --> 01:38:16.655 a male, but I am not a male. 01:38:17.105 --> 01:38:20.135 I was born a woman, but I'm a transsexual, because I don't care what you call me. 01:38:20.165 --> 01:38:20.885 I don't give a shit at all. 01:38:21.335 --> 01:38:23.285 But he's very against the transgender movement. 01:38:23.295 --> 01:38:26.915 He's very against what's the manipulation, the child abuse, all of it that 01:38:26.915 --> 01:38:30.675 comes with it, with having Munchausen by proxy, and with having, I Uh, 01:38:30.675 --> 01:38:33.625 individuals being, giving medication that they shouldn't all the way down 01:38:33.625 --> 01:38:37.655 to, um, you know, life altering, permanently disabling, uh, surgeries. 01:38:38.115 --> 01:38:40.115 And so they demonetized Buck right off the bat. 01:38:40.555 --> 01:38:44.775 They demonetized, um, by they, I mean the Canadians, uh, under Bill C 11. 01:38:45.115 --> 01:38:47.375 They demonetized Dallas Alexander's episode. 01:38:47.405 --> 01:38:49.545 They demonetized Tulsi Gabbard's episode. 01:38:49.545 --> 01:38:50.535 They demonetized Buck. 01:38:50.565 --> 01:38:54.645 They demonetized, I've got a couple coming out, um, in the next couple of weeks and 01:38:54.645 --> 01:38:57.995 you could already see they've demonetized it or they've ad substituted it. 01:38:57.995 --> 01:38:59.045 So you can't monetize. 01:38:59.060 --> 01:39:00.890 Travis Bader: And that's, you said the Canadians have? 01:39:01.290 --> 01:39:02.390 Kelsi Sheren: Uh, yeah, because I'm in Canada. 01:39:02.390 --> 01:39:06.760 So my show goes out in Canada, meaning like we fall under Bill C 11. 01:39:06.810 --> 01:39:07.050 Right. 01:39:07.430 --> 01:39:10.200 So, uh, whether that's hard for people to find, whether that you 01:39:10.250 --> 01:39:13.540 can't monetize ads to, which means I can't make money off of it. 01:39:14.010 --> 01:39:17.360 Um, and it also means that the CRTC decides what leaves us, 01:39:17.360 --> 01:39:19.170 uh, The iron current or not. 01:39:19.850 --> 01:39:20.670 And that's right. 01:39:20.680 --> 01:39:23.330 It's North Korea, Russia, and China are the only ones that 01:39:23.330 --> 01:39:24.990 have the iron curtain in Canada. 01:39:25.390 --> 01:39:27.220 And bill C 11 does just that. 01:39:27.250 --> 01:39:31.960 It's the same with the new arm online, online harms act bill, which is meant 01:39:31.960 --> 01:39:37.420 to protect children, but what it is, is a hate speech bill that if you call 01:39:37.420 --> 01:39:40.960 somebody by the wrong pronoun, if you decide that somebody is being harmful 01:39:40.960 --> 01:39:44.430 or hateful online, they can anonymously report you and it's life in prison. 01:39:44.850 --> 01:39:46.090 So we have real. 01:39:46.100 --> 01:39:46.390 So the, when the. 01:39:46.690 --> 01:39:47.410 Travis Bader: Peterson was talking. 01:39:47.410 --> 01:39:47.660 Yeah, 01:39:47.740 --> 01:39:48.440 Kelsi Sheren: that's the one. 01:39:48.530 --> 01:39:48.670 Yeah. 01:39:48.670 --> 01:39:48.700 Okay. 01:39:48.700 --> 01:39:49.520 Bill 63. 01:39:49.830 --> 01:39:54.790 It's bananas, bananas, Russia, China, North Korea, now Canada. 01:39:55.050 --> 01:39:55.140 Wow. 01:39:55.330 --> 01:39:56.490 We have a pattern of behavior. 01:39:56.490 --> 01:39:59.200 So I'm not a conspiracy theorist. 01:39:59.200 --> 01:40:00.390 I'm a, I read the bills. 01:40:00.390 --> 01:40:01.440 I pay attention to the floor. 01:40:01.450 --> 01:40:02.600 I see what's going on in the Senate. 01:40:02.630 --> 01:40:03.820 I see what's going on in Canada. 01:40:03.860 --> 01:40:04.304 I watch the news. 01:40:04.455 --> 01:40:07.985 The patterns, because these patterns are obvious, if you are paying 01:40:07.985 --> 01:40:11.635 attention, but they've made sure that we don't pay attention, that we should 01:40:11.645 --> 01:40:14.425 be stressed about fuel, we should be stressed about food, we should be 01:40:14.425 --> 01:40:19.415 stressed about all these other things, so we can't see what's happening right 01:40:19.415 --> 01:40:24.545 under us, and the fact that, again, with another, whoo, ceases document. 01:40:26.130 --> 01:40:26.420 Got it. 01:40:26.430 --> 01:40:27.990 They're so easy to point to. 01:40:28.110 --> 01:40:30.470 Travis Bader: Wasn't there supposed to be an investigation being announced 01:40:30.470 --> 01:40:32.720 in, well, right now as we're recording? 01:40:32.730 --> 01:40:37.000 Kelsi Sheren: You mean the one where they're talking about multiple, multiple 01:40:37.000 --> 01:40:41.300 government officials being tied to the CCP and other foreign governments 01:40:41.300 --> 01:40:45.240 that have been directly influenced by the Influencing our policy since 2016. 01:40:45.830 --> 01:40:46.640 You mean that? 01:40:46.650 --> 01:40:49.170 The one that I'm the crazy one for talking about? 01:40:49.170 --> 01:40:50.979 Yeah. 01:40:50.980 --> 01:40:52.560 Like that's skimming the surface. 01:40:52.560 --> 01:40:55.490 That's like taking the foam off the top of the latte and just throwing it. 01:40:55.490 --> 01:40:57.230 People are like, that's not that bad. 01:40:57.230 --> 01:41:01.590 You're like, do you remember when we tried to put Trump in prison for 01:41:01.590 --> 01:41:04.520 Russiagate and he never actually spoke to them, but yet we have people 01:41:04.520 --> 01:41:08.910 with real wire transfers from the CCP and we're like, it's not a big deal. 01:41:08.910 --> 01:41:09.690 Nothing. 01:41:09.710 --> 01:41:09.890 Travis Bader: Nothing. 01:41:09.890 --> 01:41:10.069 Nothing. 01:41:10.070 --> 01:41:11.540 Nothing to see here. 01:41:11.550 --> 01:41:11.930 Nothing 01:41:11.940 --> 01:41:12.890 Kelsi Sheren: to see here. 01:41:12.900 --> 01:41:14.070 Nothing to see here. 01:41:14.070 --> 01:41:20.600 And so my, you know, it's funny, like, it, This is where we're at, where 01:41:21.320 --> 01:41:23.310 we can't have these conversations. 01:41:23.350 --> 01:41:27.390 Like when I say like the stuff that I say at home, if you, this is what I'm saying 01:41:27.390 --> 01:41:31.710 to you in front of other people, can you imagine what I'm talking about at home? 01:41:32.410 --> 01:41:32.810 Right. 01:41:32.810 --> 01:41:36.430 So, you know, things that we should be paying attention to just as 01:41:36.430 --> 01:41:40.300 people in general is COVID did a really good thing of testing. 01:41:40.500 --> 01:41:42.220 Travis Bader: It was excellent at testing. 01:41:42.230 --> 01:41:42.650 Yes. 01:41:43.160 --> 01:41:43.660 Kelsi Sheren: Beautiful. 01:41:43.730 --> 01:41:43.920 Travis Bader: Yeah. 01:41:44.220 --> 01:41:47.160 Kelsi Sheren: I found out who the weak links were and we just go, no, thanks. 01:41:47.320 --> 01:41:47.530 Travis Bader: Yeah. 01:41:48.730 --> 01:41:49.900 Kelsi Sheren: Asset or liability. 01:41:50.355 --> 01:41:53.965 And COVID gave me every answer I needed all the way up to like, 01:41:54.435 --> 01:41:57.175 even in recent weeks, like I'm still seeing some of it bleed. 01:41:57.415 --> 01:42:00.805 And now I'm making like, I want to say like final decisions on people, but I 01:42:00.815 --> 01:42:05.155 love when people show me who they are without me having to try and find out. 01:42:05.325 --> 01:42:07.305 Travis Bader: Well, it's sort of decision making process. 01:42:07.415 --> 01:42:07.655 Right. 01:42:07.655 --> 01:42:09.695 It doesn't matter what side of the fence that you're on, on 01:42:09.695 --> 01:42:10.805 that whole, the whole thing. 01:42:11.175 --> 01:42:13.445 I can, I can get behind a person's decision. 01:42:13.695 --> 01:42:13.865 Kelsi Sheren: Right. 01:42:13.915 --> 01:42:14.375 Oh, for sure. 01:42:14.425 --> 01:42:16.815 Travis Bader: Based on the process that they're moving to get there. 01:42:17.455 --> 01:42:22.305 Um, but when people will blindly make decisions absence of, of. 01:42:22.315 --> 01:42:22.835 Kelsi Sheren: Fact. 01:42:22.965 --> 01:42:29.045 Travis Bader: Fact, uh, in ways that are just, I don't know, kowtowing with the, 01:42:29.205 --> 01:42:31.835 with what their neighbor is doing, with what everybody else is doing, because, 01:42:32.385 --> 01:42:34.525 you know, they say, they say, this is what we should be doing right now. 01:42:34.525 --> 01:42:35.005 Kelsi Sheren: Right. 01:42:35.875 --> 01:42:37.805 Travis Bader: Yeah, that it does, that's a litmus test. 01:42:37.805 --> 01:42:38.985 It does shine a light on things. 01:42:39.035 --> 01:42:43.845 I don't care what side they fall on provided the, uh, process they're using is 01:42:43.875 --> 01:42:50.075 not necessarily one that I agree with, but it's one that, um, follows basic logic. 01:42:50.105 --> 01:42:50.385 Kelsi Sheren: Right. 01:42:50.605 --> 01:42:54.775 And even just take, take the, how people dealt with it, just 01:42:54.775 --> 01:42:55.915 speak to this for a second. 01:42:56.295 --> 01:43:00.745 How the human being responded to an intense stress, forget 01:43:00.745 --> 01:43:01.955 the issue of what it was. 01:43:02.905 --> 01:43:08.545 How the person responded to external stressors and where was their breakpoint? 01:43:09.145 --> 01:43:09.315 Yeah. 01:43:09.535 --> 01:43:10.905 That's more what I care about. 01:43:10.935 --> 01:43:11.545 I don't care. 01:43:12.075 --> 01:43:16.405 It, this could have been, um, this could have been something completely different. 01:43:16.485 --> 01:43:18.775 This could have been like, couldn't have been COVID. 01:43:18.805 --> 01:43:20.265 This could have been something completely different. 01:43:20.265 --> 01:43:22.695 I mean, like a terrorist attack or something wild or something 01:43:22.695 --> 01:43:25.425 crazy that just set the government off and Canada crazy. 01:43:25.695 --> 01:43:28.075 I don't care what, I don't care what it was. 01:43:29.055 --> 01:43:30.115 It's a stress test. 01:43:30.195 --> 01:43:30.545 Hmm. 01:43:31.145 --> 01:43:37.895 And like 90 percent of you failed, like bad, like go back to go and 01:43:37.895 --> 01:43:41.855 start again, fail, like, like maybe don't even be on the board because 01:43:41.865 --> 01:43:43.435 that's not something you can handle. 01:43:43.435 --> 01:43:50.225 Like when somebody says to me, um, I have a hard time, uh, when you say this 01:43:50.235 --> 01:43:56.615 to me and you go, I asked, I just asked for a phone number and they went, no, 01:43:56.615 --> 01:43:58.285 but this makes me feel some type of way. 01:43:58.315 --> 01:43:58.615 I go, okay. 01:43:59.300 --> 01:44:03.210 Uh, that's stressing me out, man. 01:44:03.250 --> 01:44:05.020 I, uh, I don't have the time. 01:44:06.350 --> 01:44:06.780 Travis Bader: Yeah. 01:44:06.850 --> 01:44:08.550 As, as basic coping and that's. 01:44:08.600 --> 01:44:09.130 Coping skills. 01:44:09.160 --> 01:44:09.450 Right. 01:44:09.450 --> 01:44:13.850 And that's the, that's the natural progression of trying 01:44:13.850 --> 01:44:15.610 to bubble wrap everything. 01:44:15.640 --> 01:44:16.370 Kelsi Sheren: Absolutely. 01:44:18.430 --> 01:44:21.560 Travis Bader: Who was it that said that if you're willing to trade your, uh, your 01:44:21.570 --> 01:44:24.010 liberty for freedom, you deserve neither. 01:44:24.080 --> 01:44:24.710 Kelsi Sheren: Yeah, exactly. 01:44:24.720 --> 01:44:25.460 But that's the truth. 01:44:25.930 --> 01:44:27.720 Travis Bader: Liberty for security, you deserve neither. 01:44:27.730 --> 01:44:27.960 Kelsi Sheren: Yeah. 01:44:27.960 --> 01:44:31.840 And that's that, you know, the hard times creates soft men, soft men create, you 01:44:31.840 --> 01:44:34.700 know, there's, it's all these patterns, it's all these sayings, it's all the 01:44:34.700 --> 01:44:39.990 whatever, but the reality is, if I'm not mistaken, the last stat I saw that 01:44:39.990 --> 01:44:45.540 Canada had like 15, 000 deployable soldiers, do you know how bad that is? 01:44:45.540 --> 01:44:45.840 It's pretty 01:44:45.840 --> 01:44:45.989 Travis Bader: bad. 01:44:46.200 --> 01:44:46.770 Atrocious. 01:44:46.790 --> 01:44:47.800 And there's a reason for it. 01:44:48.080 --> 01:44:49.080 Kelsi Sheren: But there's a reason for it. 01:44:49.140 --> 01:44:51.350 This is what happens when you put tampons in the men's bathrooms. 01:44:52.430 --> 01:44:57.650 When you bubble wrap a society, when you protect a mind, when you protect a body, 01:44:57.650 --> 01:45:02.750 when you don't give people opportunities to fail forward, they learn nothing. 01:45:02.900 --> 01:45:05.527 They become soft, soft people become liabilities. 01:45:05.527 --> 01:45:08.069 Liabilities turn into what you see in 2024. 01:45:09.570 --> 01:45:11.200 I'm not saying I'm some hard person. 01:45:11.220 --> 01:45:15.560 I'm not like saying like, Oh, fucking Tim Kennedy. 01:45:15.610 --> 01:45:16.290 Like I'm not. 01:45:16.790 --> 01:45:18.790 Travis Bader: Well, it just goes full circle to what we were talking 01:45:18.790 --> 01:45:20.330 about at the beginning about having. 01:45:20.795 --> 01:45:25.065 Your group, your cultures, identifiable things, and it's okay, right? 01:45:25.625 --> 01:45:28.105 We don't all have to be the same thing in order for us to work. 01:45:28.105 --> 01:45:31.175 In fact, it's those differences that we're supposed to all celebrate 01:45:31.635 --> 01:45:32.785 that actually make us work. 01:45:32.785 --> 01:45:36.015 And people, when you're talking about the military, they want to be in the 01:45:36.015 --> 01:45:40.485 military because they want to be a part of this camaraderie, this group, helping 01:45:40.495 --> 01:45:43.485 others, serving, there's a standard. 01:45:43.525 --> 01:45:48.285 They can be proud that they're holding themselves to just like generations 01:45:48.305 --> 01:45:52.440 prior And, and to go in there and find out that everyone's beautiful 01:45:52.440 --> 01:45:54.780 and unique and that nobody can, it. 01:45:55.445 --> 01:45:58.615 It takes away from those who truly want to try. 01:45:58.735 --> 01:45:59.005 Kelsi Sheren: Yeah. 01:45:59.115 --> 01:46:01.785 Travis Bader: It's that whole eighth place ribbon theory, man, 01:46:01.785 --> 01:46:03.705 we're going to a lot of different places with this episode, Kelsey. 01:46:03.715 --> 01:46:03.945 Well, 01:46:04.335 --> 01:46:06.665 Kelsi Sheren: it was really funny that when you say the, the, the, the ribbon, 01:46:06.725 --> 01:46:12.965 uh, so a friend of mine, um, one of my, uh, my son's classmates, I, I, I really 01:46:12.965 --> 01:46:16.475 like, I really like, uh, his mom and we were chatting the other day and she 01:46:16.475 --> 01:46:20.495 goes, you know, we have, um, yeah, my, my daughter just had the, uh, what was it? 01:46:20.625 --> 01:46:21.535 What are they doing? 01:46:21.535 --> 01:46:22.315 Track and field event. 01:46:22.375 --> 01:46:22.735 Mm. 01:46:23.025 --> 01:46:23.055 Yep. 01:46:23.125 --> 01:46:24.755 And she got a ribbon for eighth place. 01:46:25.465 --> 01:46:26.835 And I said, that's not real. 01:46:27.155 --> 01:46:29.265 And she looked at me, she goes, I know Kelsey, but, and I was 01:46:29.275 --> 01:46:31.335 like, no, not I, but she lost. 01:46:31.335 --> 01:46:31.994 Travis Bader: Right. 01:46:31.995 --> 01:46:33.125 Kelsi Sheren: Did you tell her she lost? 01:46:33.355 --> 01:46:35.764 She was like, well, no, she's already having I'm like, no, no, no, no. 01:46:36.345 --> 01:46:36.755 She lost. 01:46:36.765 --> 01:46:37.505 Did she get first, second or third? 01:46:37.965 --> 01:46:38.425 She lost. 01:46:38.515 --> 01:46:38.705 Right. 01:46:38.875 --> 01:46:39.645 And she just looked at me. 01:46:39.645 --> 01:46:42.875 She goes, oh, Kelsey, you'll go when it's his turn to do track and field. 01:46:42.875 --> 01:46:43.875 I said, he won't do track and field. 01:46:44.265 --> 01:46:44.635 It's like, why? 01:46:44.635 --> 01:46:48.905 I'm like, Because he'll be off doing something else. 01:46:48.905 --> 01:46:50.165 I'm like, if he wants to run, cool. 01:46:50.165 --> 01:46:51.515 If he wants to go try and feel cool, I'll go. 01:46:51.515 --> 01:46:52.455 She goes, you'll be at the events. 01:46:52.455 --> 01:46:53.055 I'm like, no, I won't. 01:46:53.415 --> 01:46:57.175 If they keep giving 10 place ribbons, you won't be at the track and field. 01:46:57.545 --> 01:47:00.465 She's like, well, then you're going to, you know, he won't be able to be 01:47:00.465 --> 01:47:01.885 around like that type of community. 01:47:01.885 --> 01:47:04.125 I'm like, no, he'll find community that when we know that if you don't 01:47:04.125 --> 01:47:05.255 get for a second or third, you've lost. 01:47:05.255 --> 01:47:05.874 Travis Bader: Right. 01:47:05.875 --> 01:47:07.695 I mean, the science on that's really clear. 01:47:07.695 --> 01:47:10.985 It devalues the people who win and it humiliates the people 01:47:10.985 --> 01:47:12.039 who get the, I don't know. 01:47:12.170 --> 01:47:15.350 Are you going to proudly hold up your eighth, 10th ribbon? 01:47:15.360 --> 01:47:20.500 No, but in the same breath, not everyone's meant to be judged by how fast they are. 01:47:20.500 --> 01:47:23.990 If you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it'll always live 01:47:23.990 --> 01:47:25.450 its life feeling like it's a failure. 01:47:25.560 --> 01:47:25.650 Absolutely. 01:47:25.660 --> 01:47:28.150 We just have to find the areas that we can double down on. 01:47:28.150 --> 01:47:28.860 And those are the. 01:47:29.745 --> 01:47:30.745 Yeah, don't get me started. 01:47:31.055 --> 01:47:32.015 Kelsi Sheren: No, but that's the truth. 01:47:32.015 --> 01:47:32.205 Right. 01:47:32.205 --> 01:47:35.355 And I think that we coddle, we coddle the hell out of people and people 01:47:35.355 --> 01:47:37.385 are like, yeah, but you have a child and I'm sure you've coddled him. 01:47:37.405 --> 01:47:37.675 Yeah. 01:47:37.685 --> 01:47:40.795 When he's like, put his teeth through his lips and he's bawling 01:47:41.285 --> 01:47:43.515 and bloody, I go, are you okay? 01:47:43.515 --> 01:47:46.405 And he goes, looks at my face response and I go, you're good. 01:47:46.405 --> 01:47:47.895 And he goes, yeah, it just hurts. 01:47:47.895 --> 01:47:49.405 And I'm like, that's okay that it hurts. 01:47:49.625 --> 01:47:50.335 What did we learn? 01:47:50.555 --> 01:47:51.425 Tie my shoes up. 01:47:51.585 --> 01:47:52.235 Okay, cool. 01:47:52.305 --> 01:47:54.445 We learned that we don't trip on laces. 01:47:54.895 --> 01:47:55.215 Travis Bader: Yeah. 01:47:55.275 --> 01:47:59.840 Kelsi Sheren: You got to tie Take as hard as it is, because they are your 01:47:59.840 --> 01:48:03.150 little hearts outside of your body, walking around in this real world. 01:48:03.570 --> 01:48:07.200 Like I had an example where my son wasn't invited to a birthday party, but then, 01:48:07.380 --> 01:48:08.600 and I didn't have a problem with that. 01:48:08.640 --> 01:48:12.290 I had a problem when I found out why the parent was being a coward and 01:48:12.290 --> 01:48:14.850 was treating X, Y, and Z this way. 01:48:15.170 --> 01:48:17.650 I was like, Oh, that just shows me who the parent is. 01:48:17.670 --> 01:48:19.500 And that shows me where the behavior is learned. 01:48:19.770 --> 01:48:21.230 And it shows me that I, that sucks. 01:48:21.230 --> 01:48:22.940 Cause that kid's going to have a rough go then. 01:48:23.310 --> 01:48:25.530 And so I have empathy. 01:48:25.880 --> 01:48:31.840 For these situations, but I also know that if you have a difficult child, 01:48:31.840 --> 01:48:34.340 most of the time, one that's a little unruly, one that's a little bit 01:48:34.350 --> 01:48:37.940 wild, one that questions everything, that's going to make a great adult. 01:48:38.090 --> 01:48:38.760 Travis Bader: A hundred percent. 01:48:38.930 --> 01:48:39.810 Kelsi Sheren: Great adult. 01:48:40.570 --> 01:48:40.930 Yeah. 01:48:41.160 --> 01:48:43.430 Travis Bader: Well, maybe we'd look at wrapping it up here. 01:48:43.430 --> 01:48:43.910 Cool, man. 01:48:43.960 --> 01:48:46.050 Man, we've, we've talked about a bunch of different things. 01:48:46.590 --> 01:48:49.970 I still had a whole bunch of other questions on here, but looking at the 01:48:49.970 --> 01:48:54.070 divergent tangents that we went on, maybe we'll save it for a future one. 01:48:54.690 --> 01:48:55.260 Kelsi Sheren: Just say when. 01:48:55.460 --> 01:48:57.710 Travis Bader: Kelsey, thank you so much for being on the podcast. 01:48:57.720 --> 01:48:59.000 Really enjoyed chatting with you. 01:48:59.130 --> 01:49:01.084 Kelsi Sheren: Thanks for having me, man. 01:49:01.084 --> 01:49:13.090 It's always fun to sit down with a friend.