1 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,458 Welcome back to the Laravel News Creator 2 01:00:02,458 --> 01:00:03,708 Spotlight with me 3 01:00:03,708 --> 01:00:05,708 today is none other than 4 01:00:05,708 --> 01:00:08,625 Michael Dyrynda, the creator of Laracon 5 01:00:08,625 --> 01:00:11,208 AU, the man that is on 6 01:00:11,208 --> 01:00:12,541 more podcasts than I have 7 01:00:12,541 --> 01:00:15,500 kids and just all around great dude. 8 01:00:16,083 --> 01:00:17,041 So welcome to the show Michael. 9 01:00:17,916 --> 01:00:19,333 Hey, thanks for having me. 10 01:00:20,291 --> 01:00:24,208 So let's just start off basic. 11 01:00:24,875 --> 01:00:26,125 What is a good reason 12 01:00:26,125 --> 01:00:28,291 somebody should come to Laracon AU? 13 01:00:29,083 --> 01:00:30,000 A good reason. 14 01:00:30,750 --> 01:00:34,958 This is this is something that I as as 15 01:00:34,958 --> 01:00:36,166 the organizer think a 16 01:00:36,166 --> 01:00:38,791 lot about because people 17 01:00:38,791 --> 01:00:41,166 often ask and I have conversations with 18 01:00:41,166 --> 01:00:42,833 business owners and and 19 01:00:42,833 --> 01:00:44,708 technology leaders and 20 01:00:44,708 --> 01:00:46,000 people leaders and things like that. 21 01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:47,833 And it is different for different people. 22 01:00:49,666 --> 01:00:51,958 But for you attending Laracon US, like I 23 01:00:51,958 --> 01:00:53,333 know going to Laracon US 24 01:00:53,333 --> 01:00:55,916 for the most part is about 25 01:00:56,041 --> 01:00:57,708 catching up with old friends, making new 26 01:00:57,708 --> 01:00:58,791 friends, meeting 27 01:00:58,791 --> 01:01:00,458 people that you have maybe 28 01:01:00,541 --> 01:01:01,208 interacted with 29 01:01:01,208 --> 01:01:02,500 online for the first time. 30 01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:04,125 And so the community and 31 01:01:04,125 --> 01:01:05,500 networking aspect of it. 32 01:01:05,500 --> 01:01:06,750 And I think that really shone through in 33 01:01:06,750 --> 01:01:07,875 a lot of the talks this year. 34 01:01:08,500 --> 01:01:10,916 Kapei Haise talk, Aaron's talk last year 35 01:01:10,916 --> 01:01:12,958 as well, like just the connectedness. 36 01:01:13,375 --> 01:01:16,208 And I think that is the biggest aspect of 37 01:01:16,208 --> 01:01:18,250 conferences is the 38 01:01:18,250 --> 01:01:19,416 people and the connections, 39 01:01:19,875 --> 01:01:20,583 the people you meet and 40 01:01:20,583 --> 01:01:21,500 the connections you make. 41 01:01:22,750 --> 01:01:25,916 And whether that is friendships or that's 42 01:01:25,916 --> 01:01:28,166 picking up a new job 43 01:01:28,166 --> 01:01:30,416 or meeting someone that 44 01:01:30,416 --> 01:01:32,125 you end up working with in the future, 45 01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:33,916 collaborating on open 46 01:01:33,916 --> 01:01:35,833 source, things like that, like all 47 01:01:35,833 --> 01:01:37,708 of these things, you don't really have 48 01:01:37,708 --> 01:01:38,333 any preconceived 49 01:01:38,333 --> 01:01:40,541 notions of when you go to a 50 01:01:40,541 --> 01:01:41,666 conference for the first time. 51 01:01:42,625 --> 01:01:44,125 So it really does vary. 52 01:01:44,125 --> 01:01:46,000 And then if you look at the people 53 01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:47,666 attending the conferences 54 01:01:47,666 --> 01:01:49,000 like last year at Laracon 55 01:01:49,125 --> 01:01:52,583 US, at least 65, 70 percent of the 56 01:01:52,583 --> 01:01:53,625 audience were first time. 57 01:01:53,625 --> 01:01:54,375 It's like people that had 58 01:01:54,375 --> 01:01:55,500 never been to a Laracon. 59 01:01:56,083 --> 01:01:59,083 And the feel that I got from this year's 60 01:01:59,083 --> 01:02:01,041 Laracon US was it was very much the same. 61 01:02:01,041 --> 01:02:01,791 There was a lot of people 62 01:02:01,791 --> 01:02:03,000 were there for the first time. 63 01:02:03,833 --> 01:02:06,666 So and whether that's lots of experience 64 01:02:06,666 --> 01:02:08,166 programming, but attending 65 01:02:08,166 --> 01:02:09,208 a conference for the first 66 01:02:09,250 --> 01:02:12,291 time, or that's new to programming and 67 01:02:12,291 --> 01:02:13,708 attending your first 68 01:02:13,708 --> 01:02:16,083 conference with very little experience, 69 01:02:17,083 --> 01:02:20,458 is making sure that you can welcome those 70 01:02:20,458 --> 01:02:21,833 people, that you can make 71 01:02:21,833 --> 01:02:22,916 the conference approachable 72 01:02:22,916 --> 01:02:24,000 for those people that they 73 01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,541 don't feel isolated or alone. 74 01:02:27,791 --> 01:02:31,291 So what is the main reason to go to a 75 01:02:31,291 --> 01:02:33,375 conference is going to, as 76 01:02:33,375 --> 01:02:34,250 with anything in programming, 77 01:02:34,500 --> 01:02:35,125 it's going to depend. 78 01:02:36,791 --> 01:02:37,250 Absolutely. 79 01:02:38,125 --> 01:02:41,000 Yeah, I go to talk to people because it 80 01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:42,291 feels like you can't do 81 01:02:42,291 --> 01:02:44,125 that in my little world 82 01:02:44,208 --> 01:02:45,000 where I live in that 83 01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:46,250 nobody even knows what I do. 84 01:02:46,500 --> 01:02:48,166 It's always fun to actually be around 85 01:02:48,166 --> 01:02:49,458 people that actually at 86 01:02:49,458 --> 01:02:50,708 least we can have a conversation 87 01:02:50,791 --> 01:02:51,625 about something that we 88 01:02:51,625 --> 01:02:52,708 both have interest in. 89 01:02:54,416 --> 01:02:55,250 So moving from there. 90 01:02:55,250 --> 01:02:58,083 So this is the first year it's actually 91 01:02:58,083 --> 01:02:59,458 moved locations, right? 92 01:02:59,458 --> 01:03:00,291 So this year you're 93 01:03:00,291 --> 01:03:00,791 going to be in Brisbane. 94 01:03:02,166 --> 01:03:02,375 Brisbane. 95 01:03:02,583 --> 01:03:03,250 Did I say that right? 96 01:03:03,625 --> 01:03:03,833 Brisbane? 97 01:03:04,750 --> 01:03:04,958 Brisbane. 98 01:03:05,291 --> 01:03:07,291 Yeah, just pretend it's not there. 99 01:03:08,416 --> 01:03:10,000 And so how far away is that from Sydney? 100 01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,375 It's about a two hour flight. 101 01:03:14,625 --> 01:03:17,000 It's about an eight, nine hour drive, 102 01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:17,916 depending on how 103 01:03:17,916 --> 01:03:18,791 adventurous you're feeling. 104 01:03:19,291 --> 01:03:22,791 So it's a bit further up the coast on the 105 01:03:22,791 --> 01:03:23,625 same side of Australia. 106 01:03:23,916 --> 01:03:28,166 So it's still, it's the only 24 seven 107 01:03:28,166 --> 01:03:29,250 airport in Australia. 108 01:03:29,500 --> 01:03:31,500 It's the biggest one we've got. 109 01:03:31,500 --> 01:03:34,208 So it's a very well connected city. 110 01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:35,500 That's awesome. 111 01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:39,000 In relation to sort of Australia, like 112 01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:40,291 what's the probably the 113 01:03:40,291 --> 01:03:42,250 biggest like Laravel city? 114 01:03:42,625 --> 01:03:43,833 Like which city has the most Laravel 115 01:03:43,833 --> 01:03:44,916 developers, I guess is a 116 01:03:44,916 --> 01:03:46,333 better way of wording that. 117 01:03:46,750 --> 01:03:49,000 Well, I mean, I thought Sydney was 118 01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:50,000 probably the bigger one, 119 01:03:50,291 --> 01:03:51,333 just because I mean, that's 120 01:03:51,333 --> 01:03:53,250 where we've had the last three Laracons. 121 01:03:53,625 --> 01:03:54,750 And that's where we've seen 122 01:03:54,750 --> 01:03:56,833 the majority of attendees from. 123 01:03:57,083 --> 01:03:58,750 I think this year moving to Brisbane, 124 01:03:58,750 --> 01:04:00,625 there was a bit of a, is 125 01:04:00,625 --> 01:04:02,000 it going to be problematic? 126 01:04:02,333 --> 01:04:04,791 Like are we going to the people that went 127 01:04:04,791 --> 01:04:06,041 last year that were 128 01:04:06,041 --> 01:04:07,000 living in Sydney without 129 01:04:07,041 --> 01:04:08,541 only there because it was in Sydney or 130 01:04:08,541 --> 01:04:09,416 are they going to travel? 131 01:04:09,416 --> 01:04:11,208 Are we going to make out numbers of 132 01:04:11,208 --> 01:04:12,583 people who don't come 133 01:04:12,583 --> 01:04:14,583 from Sydney with people from 134 01:04:14,583 --> 01:04:14,916 Brisbane? 135 01:04:14,916 --> 01:04:16,000 I think it's kind of balanced out. 136 01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:17,875 So I think they're, it looks as though 137 01:04:17,875 --> 01:04:18,916 they're fairly on par. 138 01:04:19,708 --> 01:04:21,958 I know that Perth has like a really big 139 01:04:21,958 --> 01:04:23,500 community over there and 140 01:04:23,500 --> 01:04:24,791 they're starting to grow it. 141 01:04:25,083 --> 01:04:27,500 They're Hatchet, who's one of our, or is 142 01:04:27,500 --> 01:04:29,250 our platinum sponsor this year. 143 01:04:30,583 --> 01:04:32,375 They're starting the ball rolling on 144 01:04:32,375 --> 01:04:33,000 getting a Laravel 145 01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:34,083 meetup going there regularly. 146 01:04:34,541 --> 01:04:35,541 So Brisbane always had 147 01:04:35,541 --> 01:04:36,916 a really big PHP scene. 148 01:04:37,291 --> 01:04:38,791 I think it's niche down a little bit into 149 01:04:38,791 --> 01:04:39,541 Laravel and they're 150 01:04:39,541 --> 01:04:40,791 trying to keep that ball 151 01:04:40,791 --> 01:04:41,458 rolling as well. 152 01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:43,875 So yeah, it's, it's going to be either 153 01:04:43,875 --> 01:04:45,041 Brisbane or Sydney, but I 154 01:04:45,041 --> 01:04:47,625 think that's also consistent 155 01:04:47,833 --> 01:04:49,541 with like there being the majority of the 156 01:04:49,541 --> 01:04:51,666 tech jobs in those two cities as well. 157 01:04:53,041 --> 01:04:54,375 Certainly in, you know, 158 01:04:54,375 --> 01:04:55,833 PHP and Laravel at least. 159 01:04:56,500 --> 01:04:56,833 All right. 160 01:04:57,041 --> 01:04:57,958 Yeah, that makes sense. 161 01:04:59,458 --> 01:05:00,375 So moving from there. 162 01:05:00,375 --> 01:05:02,125 So this is going to be your fourth 163 01:05:02,125 --> 01:05:03,666 Laracon AU because I 164 01:05:03,666 --> 01:05:04,958 think COVID knocked one or two 165 01:05:04,958 --> 01:05:05,458 out, right? 166 01:05:07,166 --> 01:05:09,208 So I'm curious more about like your 167 01:05:09,208 --> 01:05:11,583 origin story, like when and 168 01:05:11,583 --> 01:05:12,666 like, what was your epiphany 169 01:05:12,666 --> 01:05:14,750 being like, Hey, I want to create a 170 01:05:14,750 --> 01:05:15,666 conference in Australia 171 01:05:15,666 --> 01:05:16,708 for, for a little bit. 172 01:05:17,708 --> 01:05:19,000 So how does all that come about? 173 01:05:19,916 --> 01:05:22,416 I actually went into this as part of my 174 01:05:22,416 --> 01:05:25,000 welcome address at last year's Laracon. 175 01:05:25,166 --> 01:05:27,166 So I'll hit like the high notes, but it 176 01:05:27,166 --> 01:05:28,875 like came down to, I had 177 01:05:28,875 --> 01:05:31,875 been using PHP for seven 178 01:05:31,875 --> 01:05:34,791 or eight years, I reckon, before I 179 01:05:34,791 --> 01:05:36,291 discovered that there was 180 01:05:36,291 --> 01:05:37,250 this whole other world out 181 01:05:37,250 --> 01:05:40,041 there of all these other PHP programmers 182 01:05:40,041 --> 01:05:41,166 around the world, that 183 01:05:41,166 --> 01:05:42,250 there was these things called 184 01:05:42,250 --> 01:05:42,583 frameworks. 185 01:05:42,833 --> 01:05:44,083 Like I didn't know frameworks existed 186 01:05:44,083 --> 01:05:44,958 because everything that I 187 01:05:44,958 --> 01:05:47,166 did at that first job for 188 01:05:47,541 --> 01:05:48,916 the better part of a 189 01:05:48,916 --> 01:05:51,333 decade was all hand rolled PHP. 190 01:05:51,541 --> 01:05:52,708 We had no notion of frameworks. 191 01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:54,416 We had like, we didn't have the concept 192 01:05:54,416 --> 01:05:55,458 of we'll build our own 193 01:05:55,458 --> 01:05:56,375 framework at that point. 194 01:05:56,625 --> 01:05:59,375 It was all just hand rolled PHP three 195 01:05:59,375 --> 01:06:01,291 that became PHP four and PHP five. 196 01:06:01,625 --> 01:06:05,000 So when I kind of started to realize that 197 01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:05,916 there was a bigger 198 01:06:05,916 --> 01:06:06,916 community out there, when 199 01:06:06,916 --> 01:06:09,333 I discovered Laravel at the talent of 200 01:06:09,333 --> 01:06:10,500 version three into the 201 01:06:10,500 --> 01:06:13,208 start of version four, I think 202 01:06:13,208 --> 01:06:14,750 that was around the time that the first 203 01:06:14,750 --> 01:06:16,833 Laracon US happened sort 204 01:06:16,833 --> 01:06:19,125 of around 2014, I think back 205 01:06:19,125 --> 01:06:19,458 then. 206 01:06:21,708 --> 01:06:23,958 And so, you know, it was always like 207 01:06:23,958 --> 01:06:25,416 aspirational to go 208 01:06:25,416 --> 01:06:26,750 and attend a conference. 209 01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:30,083 And we had one conference, one PHP 210 01:06:30,083 --> 01:06:31,666 conference in Australia at the time. 211 01:06:32,125 --> 01:06:33,625 And I went to that in 2016. 212 01:06:33,958 --> 01:06:35,125 And you know, I 213 01:06:35,125 --> 01:06:36,416 thought it was pretty good. 214 01:06:37,458 --> 01:06:39,541 But I wanted to kind of explore more of 215 01:06:39,541 --> 01:06:41,250 what the Laravel community looked like. 216 01:06:41,250 --> 01:06:46,125 And then 2017, I want to say I went to 217 01:06:46,125 --> 01:06:47,916 Louisville, and saw 218 01:06:47,916 --> 01:06:50,083 Laracon US and met, you know, my 219 01:06:50,083 --> 01:06:50,458 people. 220 01:06:50,958 --> 01:06:52,916 And that really was what it was, right? 221 01:06:53,125 --> 01:06:54,000 It was it was the 222 01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:55,208 community was the connection. 223 01:06:55,208 --> 01:06:57,375 It was meeting, you know, Jake and David 224 01:06:57,375 --> 01:06:58,583 Hemphill and TJ Miller and 225 01:06:58,583 --> 01:06:59,458 yourself, like all of these 226 01:06:59,458 --> 01:07:01,916 people that I've been talking to online, 227 01:07:02,125 --> 01:07:03,416 Matt Stauffer was a big 228 01:07:03,416 --> 01:07:04,458 part of my origin story 229 01:07:04,458 --> 01:07:07,250 in, you know, getting into the public 230 01:07:07,250 --> 01:07:09,791 side of Laravel and 231 01:07:09,791 --> 01:07:10,958 sort of putting myself out 232 01:07:10,958 --> 01:07:11,166 there. 233 01:07:11,666 --> 01:07:14,458 And so, yeah, it was on the back of that 234 01:07:14,458 --> 01:07:16,083 that I went, you know, 235 01:07:17,208 --> 01:07:19,291 being married at the time, 236 01:07:19,291 --> 01:07:20,500 but not with any kids. 237 01:07:20,541 --> 01:07:22,000 I was like, you know, it's it's an 238 01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:23,458 expense, right, for 239 01:07:23,458 --> 01:07:25,791 someone from Australia to fly 240 01:07:25,875 --> 01:07:28,291 16 hours to the US or 13 hours, depending 241 01:07:28,291 --> 01:07:29,541 on where it is, the 242 01:07:29,541 --> 01:07:30,666 cost of flights, the cost 243 01:07:30,666 --> 01:07:32,333 of accommodation, the exchange 244 01:07:32,333 --> 01:07:33,500 rate, like all of this stuff. 245 01:07:33,500 --> 01:07:34,666 So I'm like, well, wouldn't it be great 246 01:07:34,666 --> 01:07:35,541 if we had something closer? 247 01:07:35,750 --> 01:07:38,500 Because even Europe, even further away, 248 01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,166 really, and nothing sort 249 01:07:41,166 --> 01:07:42,166 of this side of the world. 250 01:07:42,166 --> 01:07:43,750 So I emailed Tyler and I was like, hey, 251 01:07:44,083 --> 01:07:45,666 is this the thing that we can do? 252 01:07:46,916 --> 01:07:49,208 Because traveling to the other side of 253 01:07:49,208 --> 01:07:50,916 the world is is kind of rubbish. 254 01:07:51,500 --> 01:07:53,541 And he was, you know, he was all for it. 255 01:07:53,958 --> 01:07:54,833 He came back and was 256 01:07:54,833 --> 01:07:55,791 like, yep, no worries. 257 01:07:55,791 --> 01:07:57,625 And it took me like two years before we 258 01:07:57,625 --> 01:07:59,625 actually had the first larraconn AU. 259 01:07:59,875 --> 01:08:00,750 But that that really 260 01:08:00,750 --> 01:08:02,375 was the genesis of it. 261 01:08:02,375 --> 01:08:05,583 Just I want something for the people that 262 01:08:05,583 --> 01:08:06,583 like want to have a 263 01:08:06,583 --> 01:08:08,333 taste of what larraconn 264 01:08:08,333 --> 01:08:11,208 is, but they're not in a position to 265 01:08:11,208 --> 01:08:13,166 commit to traveling all that 266 01:08:13,166 --> 01:08:14,833 way, all that time spending 267 01:08:14,958 --> 01:08:17,625 all of that money to go and do that. 268 01:08:18,083 --> 01:08:20,291 So that's where we are. 269 01:08:20,291 --> 01:08:21,125 I love it. 270 01:08:21,125 --> 01:08:22,000 That makes perfect sense. 271 01:08:22,250 --> 01:08:24,375 I mean, it's you know, Australia has 272 01:08:24,375 --> 01:08:25,500 always been on my bucket list. 273 01:08:25,500 --> 01:08:26,208 I keep telling you I'm 274 01:08:26,208 --> 01:08:27,000 going to come one year. 275 01:08:27,708 --> 01:08:28,791 As soon as the kids are old enough to 276 01:08:28,791 --> 01:08:29,458 take care of themselves 277 01:08:29,458 --> 01:08:30,541 and drive themselves around, 278 01:08:30,916 --> 01:08:32,208 it's definitely on my list. 279 01:08:32,208 --> 01:08:33,500 It's like, got to do this. 280 01:08:34,583 --> 01:08:37,875 The other thing that I thought was new 281 01:08:37,875 --> 01:08:38,833 this year on the 282 01:08:38,833 --> 01:08:39,666 website, it says you're going 283 01:08:39,666 --> 01:08:40,541 to have more social and 284 01:08:40,541 --> 01:08:41,750 networking events than normal. 285 01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:44,166 Because so you're adding like more like 286 01:08:44,166 --> 01:08:45,166 just I guess more time 287 01:08:45,166 --> 01:08:47,500 in for everything or how 288 01:08:47,500 --> 01:08:48,291 are you planning that? 289 01:08:49,750 --> 01:08:52,541 So we've got to like official events. 290 01:08:53,041 --> 01:08:55,208 So we have always had an after dark event 291 01:08:55,208 --> 01:08:56,458 on the first night of 292 01:08:56,458 --> 01:08:57,250 the conference because 293 01:08:57,416 --> 01:08:58,833 everyone is staying for 294 01:08:58,833 --> 01:09:00,500 most of the second day. 295 01:09:00,500 --> 01:09:04,333 What we find is that lots of people 296 01:09:04,333 --> 01:09:05,500 because we do a Thursday 297 01:09:05,500 --> 01:09:06,666 or Friday and I don't know 298 01:09:06,666 --> 01:09:07,875 if we'll change that in the future. 299 01:09:07,875 --> 01:09:09,916 Maybe we'll do a Tuesday, Wednesday, like 300 01:09:09,916 --> 01:09:10,666 larraconn US or 301 01:09:10,666 --> 01:09:11,458 Wednesday, Thursday, something 302 01:09:11,541 --> 01:09:12,500 like that in the middle of the week. 303 01:09:12,916 --> 01:09:14,958 Lots of people are heading off at, you 304 01:09:14,958 --> 01:09:15,791 know, three, four, five 305 01:09:15,791 --> 01:09:16,791 o'clock on the second day 306 01:09:16,791 --> 01:09:18,500 and heading back home for the weekend. 307 01:09:18,750 --> 01:09:23,375 So we're trying to enable more people and 308 01:09:23,375 --> 01:09:23,666 we're trying to 309 01:09:23,666 --> 01:09:24,666 encourage them, I guess, to 310 01:09:24,833 --> 01:09:26,791 stay the second night to 311 01:09:26,791 --> 01:09:28,875 come for another event. 312 01:09:28,875 --> 01:09:30,583 And it seems as though it's played out 313 01:09:30,583 --> 01:09:32,875 pretty well because last 314 01:09:32,875 --> 01:09:34,291 year in Sydney, you know, 315 01:09:34,291 --> 01:09:35,458 the venue we had was really good. 316 01:09:35,833 --> 01:09:37,041 The theatre staff were really good. 317 01:09:37,291 --> 01:09:38,625 All of that. 318 01:09:38,916 --> 01:09:40,666 But the foyer was very small. 319 01:09:41,500 --> 01:09:42,958 And so there wasn't really the ability 320 01:09:42,958 --> 01:09:44,000 for people to kind of 321 01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:45,500 socialize in the breaks 322 01:09:45,500 --> 01:09:46,125 during lunch. 323 01:09:46,625 --> 01:09:48,083 You know, we were in Darling Quarter, 324 01:09:48,083 --> 01:09:49,500 which was restaurants 325 01:09:49,500 --> 01:09:50,708 and like loads of outdoor 326 01:09:50,708 --> 01:09:51,875 areas and things like that. 327 01:09:51,875 --> 01:09:52,833 So people could go out. 328 01:09:52,833 --> 01:09:55,125 But what we found and what we heard from, 329 01:09:55,125 --> 01:09:56,458 you know, people that 330 01:09:56,458 --> 01:09:57,541 gave us feedback was, 331 01:09:58,166 --> 01:09:59,958 you know, there's not the opportunity to 332 01:09:59,958 --> 01:10:01,833 interact with each other. 333 01:10:02,333 --> 01:10:05,041 And so that was a big focus for me this 334 01:10:05,041 --> 01:10:07,875 year was to figure out how do we 335 01:10:07,875 --> 01:10:09,583 encourage, facilitate, 336 01:10:10,041 --> 01:10:11,458 make that available to people. 337 01:10:12,333 --> 01:10:15,333 And you know, that was in part a bigger 338 01:10:15,333 --> 01:10:17,208 venue that had a foyer 339 01:10:17,208 --> 01:10:18,333 that we could keep people 340 01:10:18,333 --> 01:10:21,458 in to, you know, to cater the lunch to 341 01:10:21,458 --> 01:10:22,333 put the sponsors in 342 01:10:22,333 --> 01:10:23,333 there so that people can hang 343 01:10:23,333 --> 01:10:24,791 out and talk to each other in the breaks. 344 01:10:26,041 --> 01:10:28,750 The people that speak on the second day 345 01:10:28,750 --> 01:10:29,833 because, you know, people 346 01:10:29,833 --> 01:10:30,958 are looking to leave the 347 01:10:31,166 --> 01:10:32,375 conference kind of ends and everyone just 348 01:10:32,375 --> 01:10:33,791 goes home by putting on 349 01:10:33,791 --> 01:10:36,083 that second day networking 350 01:10:36,166 --> 01:10:37,291 event after the conference. 351 01:10:37,541 --> 01:10:39,000 It means that those speakers get the 352 01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:40,166 opportunity to speak with 353 01:10:40,166 --> 01:10:41,166 people about their talk. 354 01:10:41,375 --> 01:10:42,791 So they're not disadvantaged 355 01:10:42,791 --> 01:10:44,291 by speaking on the second day. 356 01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:46,375 And then we kind of wrap that all up in 357 01:10:46,375 --> 01:10:47,250 this notion of watering 358 01:10:47,250 --> 01:10:49,250 holes where we've gone 359 01:10:49,250 --> 01:10:53,625 to a couple of venues in Brisbane near to 360 01:10:53,625 --> 01:10:55,083 where the conference is going to be. 361 01:10:55,416 --> 01:10:56,791 And we've said, hey, we're going to have 362 01:10:56,791 --> 01:10:58,625 some number of people. 363 01:10:59,375 --> 01:11:00,416 Can you give us a space? 364 01:11:00,750 --> 01:11:02,125 Can you give us, you know, some drink 365 01:11:02,125 --> 01:11:02,875 specials, some food 366 01:11:02,875 --> 01:11:03,875 specials and whatever? 367 01:11:04,791 --> 01:11:06,750 And then that way, you know, throughout 368 01:11:06,750 --> 01:11:08,875 our telegram chat, the 369 01:11:08,875 --> 01:11:10,375 people beforehand can say, 370 01:11:10,375 --> 01:11:11,166 hey, I want to go to this. 371 01:11:11,166 --> 01:11:11,875 I'm going to this thing. 372 01:11:11,875 --> 01:11:12,791 Who am I going to see there? 373 01:11:13,250 --> 01:11:14,750 You know, and there's like, this is a 374 01:11:14,750 --> 01:11:15,666 place that you can go 375 01:11:15,666 --> 01:11:17,083 knowing that there will be 376 01:11:17,083 --> 01:11:18,791 other Larracon people there and you can 377 01:11:18,791 --> 01:11:20,125 catch up and hang out 378 01:11:20,125 --> 01:11:21,458 with them without sort of 379 01:11:21,458 --> 01:11:23,000 having to do it. 380 01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:24,666 Like I know that Larracon US and Larracon 381 01:11:24,666 --> 01:11:25,291 you have had like 382 01:11:25,291 --> 01:11:26,500 unofficial telegram chats 383 01:11:26,500 --> 01:11:27,125 and people have tried 384 01:11:27,125 --> 01:11:28,208 to like organize things. 385 01:11:28,208 --> 01:11:30,416 But when it's like not sanctioned, it's 386 01:11:30,416 --> 01:11:31,666 like, who am I going to hang out with? 387 01:11:31,666 --> 01:11:32,500 And you end up with 388 01:11:32,500 --> 01:11:33,541 these fragmented groups. 389 01:11:34,375 --> 01:11:37,041 So we're just trying to facilitate people 390 01:11:37,041 --> 01:11:38,000 having as many 391 01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:39,333 opportunities as possible to 392 01:11:39,333 --> 01:11:41,500 network in and around the conference to 393 01:11:41,500 --> 01:11:43,041 really make those friendships. 394 01:11:43,291 --> 01:11:45,916 Because there are loads of people sending 395 01:11:45,916 --> 01:11:47,708 your companies, sending their people, but 396 01:11:47,708 --> 01:11:49,625 there's also heaps of solo developers, 397 01:11:50,125 --> 01:11:51,791 entrepreneurs, freelancers, like that 398 01:11:51,791 --> 01:11:53,541 kind of thing that don't 399 01:11:53,583 --> 01:11:55,000 have the connections. 400 01:11:56,208 --> 01:11:58,791 And so giving them people that they can 401 01:11:58,791 --> 01:12:01,250 meet and maybe they can 402 01:12:01,250 --> 01:12:02,833 strike off a friendship 403 01:12:03,375 --> 01:12:05,000 and then that goes 404 01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:06,416 between the conference. 405 01:12:06,416 --> 01:12:07,333 Like that's what we're really trying to 406 01:12:07,333 --> 01:12:08,666 achieve here is to 407 01:12:08,666 --> 01:12:11,041 connect the community more than 408 01:12:11,041 --> 01:12:13,291 just putting them in a room for two days. 409 01:12:14,583 --> 01:12:14,791 Exactly. 410 01:12:15,041 --> 01:12:15,583 I love that. 411 01:12:16,125 --> 01:12:16,333 Yeah. 412 01:12:16,625 --> 01:12:18,958 Because, you know, it's I owe pretty much 413 01:12:18,958 --> 01:12:19,791 my whole career to 414 01:12:19,791 --> 01:12:20,750 like going to a conference 415 01:12:20,750 --> 01:12:23,458 when I was, you know, I don't know, a 416 01:12:23,458 --> 01:12:25,500 decade ago, but man, might have been 15. 417 01:12:25,500 --> 01:12:26,500 It was probably more than a decade, 418 01:12:26,500 --> 01:12:27,375 probably 20 years ago, I 419 01:12:27,375 --> 01:12:28,166 went to a conference and met 420 01:12:28,166 --> 01:12:29,333 a bunch of people and, you 421 01:12:29,333 --> 01:12:31,708 know, we still stay in touch. 422 01:12:31,708 --> 01:12:32,333 It's amazing. 423 01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:33,791 The connections you can 424 01:12:33,791 --> 01:12:34,791 make at these conferences. 425 01:12:35,625 --> 01:12:36,250 That part's lovely. 426 01:12:36,666 --> 01:12:37,750 I know you're talking about the discounts 427 01:12:37,750 --> 01:12:39,208 and you also have a 428 01:12:39,208 --> 01:12:40,125 discount on the hotel, 429 01:12:40,333 --> 01:12:43,291 like if you are flying into Brisbane and 430 01:12:43,291 --> 01:12:46,250 the picture you have on 431 01:12:46,250 --> 01:12:47,166 the website looks amazing. 432 01:12:47,458 --> 01:12:50,291 Like the view coming out is really sweet. 433 01:12:51,458 --> 01:12:51,666 Yeah. 434 01:12:51,666 --> 01:12:54,500 The Brisbane Sky Tower is one of, I 435 01:12:54,500 --> 01:12:55,375 think, eight different 436 01:12:55,375 --> 01:12:57,583 properties owned by that group. 437 01:12:58,291 --> 01:12:59,708 And it's like, you 438 01:12:59,708 --> 01:13:01,541 know, 50, 60 stories tall. 439 01:13:01,541 --> 01:13:02,875 It's at like the bend 440 01:13:02,875 --> 01:13:03,833 in the Brisbane River. 441 01:13:03,833 --> 01:13:04,416 So you can see all 442 01:13:04,416 --> 01:13:05,666 around the CBD behind you. 443 01:13:05,666 --> 01:13:07,208 But the river, you've got the hills. 444 01:13:07,625 --> 01:13:09,375 So yeah, spectacular views there. 445 01:13:09,583 --> 01:13:11,916 And I saw someone tweet just yesterday, 446 01:13:11,916 --> 01:13:12,708 actually, they're like, 447 01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:13,916 did you know you can call a 448 01:13:13,916 --> 01:13:15,083 hotel and ask for a discount? 449 01:13:15,791 --> 01:13:16,958 And I like you a discount. 450 01:13:17,791 --> 01:13:18,708 That was all it was 451 01:13:18,708 --> 01:13:20,125 like lots of these places. 452 01:13:20,791 --> 01:13:23,500 It's just like, oh, I'm hosting an event 453 01:13:23,500 --> 01:13:25,333 and I want somewhere to send out people. 454 01:13:25,333 --> 01:13:26,750 And they're like, yeah, he's he's the 455 01:13:26,750 --> 01:13:28,833 offer, like 10% off, 15% 456 01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:30,666 off the best rate, best 457 01:13:30,666 --> 01:13:32,291 available for those specific dates. 458 01:13:32,500 --> 01:13:34,250 And I don't have to do anything. 459 01:13:34,250 --> 01:13:34,791 It's just here. 460 01:13:34,791 --> 01:13:35,458 Here it is. 461 01:13:35,458 --> 01:13:36,666 We've just enabled it. 462 01:13:37,583 --> 01:13:38,125 So yeah. 463 01:13:39,041 --> 01:13:39,875 Yeah, that's lovely. 464 01:13:40,083 --> 01:13:42,541 You know, here, like I live in a little 465 01:13:42,541 --> 01:13:43,875 small town and we have a 466 01:13:43,875 --> 01:13:46,791 whole like tourism committee 467 01:13:46,833 --> 01:13:48,041 or branch of the 468 01:13:48,041 --> 01:13:49,000 government or something like that. 469 01:13:49,333 --> 01:13:51,250 So like you can actually contact them and 470 01:13:51,250 --> 01:13:52,625 they'll like give you 471 01:13:52,625 --> 01:13:54,166 money to run an event 472 01:13:54,166 --> 01:13:55,458 in their town just because they're gonna 473 01:13:55,458 --> 01:13:56,416 get the tax money and 474 01:13:56,416 --> 01:13:57,583 and, you know, have people 475 01:13:57,583 --> 01:13:57,958 downtown. 476 01:13:58,625 --> 01:14:00,583 So it's amazing the resources out there. 477 01:14:01,041 --> 01:14:01,291 Yeah. 478 01:14:01,291 --> 01:14:02,125 Brisbane is the same thing. 479 01:14:02,541 --> 01:14:04,416 I didn't know about this, but Greg Greg's 480 01:14:04,416 --> 01:14:05,291 coming who spoke at 481 01:14:05,291 --> 01:14:06,416 Larricon last year put 482 01:14:06,416 --> 01:14:06,958 me in touch. 483 01:14:06,958 --> 01:14:08,666 He knew someone in the local council and 484 01:14:08,666 --> 01:14:09,333 they put me in touch 485 01:14:09,333 --> 01:14:11,083 with the Brisbane Economic 486 01:14:11,125 --> 01:14:11,916 Development Agency. 487 01:14:12,291 --> 01:14:15,958 And their entire reason for being is to 488 01:14:15,958 --> 01:14:17,083 get people to host 489 01:14:17,083 --> 01:14:18,500 their events in Brisbane to 490 01:14:18,541 --> 01:14:20,666 facilitate all of this stuff. 491 01:14:20,666 --> 01:14:22,833 So they they put out the red carpet. 492 01:14:23,208 --> 01:14:25,208 When I said I'd like an event, they 493 01:14:25,208 --> 01:14:27,541 hooked me up with all 494 01:14:27,541 --> 01:14:28,958 different venues that I went 495 01:14:28,958 --> 01:14:29,666 and looked at. 496 01:14:29,958 --> 01:14:30,916 They put me in contact 497 01:14:30,916 --> 01:14:32,291 with people at those venues. 498 01:14:32,666 --> 01:14:34,708 They gave me suggestions around, you 499 01:14:34,708 --> 01:14:35,416 know, I mean, the 500 01:14:35,416 --> 01:14:36,958 watering hole really is is their 501 01:14:36,958 --> 01:14:37,333 idea. 502 01:14:37,666 --> 01:14:39,166 We had the notion of like we wanted to do 503 01:14:39,166 --> 01:14:39,791 something, but they're 504 01:14:39,791 --> 01:14:40,625 like, no, this is this 505 01:14:40,625 --> 01:14:42,041 is what it's called, I guess. 506 01:14:42,708 --> 01:14:44,458 And they put me in contact with venues 507 01:14:44,458 --> 01:14:47,166 and and and a lot of that stuff. 508 01:14:47,458 --> 01:14:49,250 So when people say, oh, you 509 01:14:49,250 --> 01:14:50,041 know, must be a lot of what? 510 01:14:50,083 --> 01:14:51,125 Yes, it is a lot of work 511 01:14:51,125 --> 01:14:52,208 to organize a conference. 512 01:14:52,500 --> 01:14:54,625 But there's also if you know where to 513 01:14:54,625 --> 01:14:55,916 look, a lot of support 514 01:14:55,916 --> 01:14:57,375 for event organizers. 515 01:14:58,000 --> 01:14:59,500 And like I wouldn't recommend that 516 01:14:59,500 --> 01:15:00,958 everyone go out and organize an event. 517 01:15:00,958 --> 01:15:02,708 It is a tremendous amount of work and 518 01:15:02,708 --> 01:15:04,750 organization and it's like things that 519 01:15:04,750 --> 01:15:05,375 you don't even think 520 01:15:05,375 --> 01:15:07,458 of that you you know, all these unknown 521 01:15:07,458 --> 01:15:08,708 unknowns along the way. 522 01:15:09,500 --> 01:15:12,666 But if you have the right people around 523 01:15:12,666 --> 01:15:15,500 you, a lot of it is made a lot simpler. 524 01:15:16,541 --> 01:15:16,833 Yeah. 525 01:15:17,666 --> 01:15:17,958 Yeah. 526 01:15:18,291 --> 01:15:20,000 But yeah, you're right that lots of 527 01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:20,833 cities have those 528 01:15:20,833 --> 01:15:22,791 development agencies because they 529 01:15:22,791 --> 01:15:23,791 want to bring tourism. 530 01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:24,375 They want to bring 531 01:15:24,375 --> 01:15:25,458 people into their cities. 532 01:15:26,333 --> 01:15:27,458 Brisbane loves to steal 533 01:15:27,458 --> 01:15:28,666 events away from Sydney. 534 01:15:28,666 --> 01:15:31,041 There's like the intercity rivalry there. 535 01:15:31,291 --> 01:15:33,375 So they were happy to throw out all these 536 01:15:33,375 --> 01:15:34,500 ideas and things like that. 537 01:15:35,416 --> 01:15:35,833 That's awesome. 538 01:15:35,833 --> 01:15:38,166 Yeah, I want to my goal is to to 539 01:15:38,166 --> 01:15:39,666 coordinate a golf tournament 540 01:15:39,666 --> 01:15:40,750 like a tech golf tournament. 541 01:15:41,166 --> 01:15:43,166 But it's like the logistics behind this 542 01:15:43,166 --> 01:15:45,166 scares me more than 543 01:15:45,166 --> 01:15:46,291 like, you know, I think 544 01:15:46,500 --> 01:15:47,416 going would be cool. 545 01:15:47,625 --> 01:15:48,916 But like, man, it's 546 01:15:48,916 --> 01:15:49,625 gonna be so much work. 547 01:15:49,625 --> 01:15:51,583 It's like, that's gonna be crazy. 548 01:15:53,083 --> 01:15:54,583 All right, well, let's move on. 549 01:15:55,541 --> 01:15:58,000 So layer con a dot au is the website for 550 01:15:58,000 --> 01:15:59,541 everything will air con au. 551 01:15:59,875 --> 01:16:02,541 And it is coming up whether dates again, 552 01:16:02,541 --> 01:16:04,958 it's in November, November 7 and eight. 553 01:16:06,708 --> 01:16:09,041 So get your tickets now before it sells 554 01:16:09,041 --> 01:16:10,000 out and you can't get 555 01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:11,833 them and the lodging and 556 01:16:11,833 --> 01:16:12,916 everything you know, got to get 557 01:16:12,916 --> 01:16:14,875 everything booked and set up. 558 01:16:15,750 --> 01:16:20,125 So to transition a little in the intro, I 559 01:16:20,125 --> 01:16:21,125 said you had more 560 01:16:21,125 --> 01:16:22,458 podcasts than I have kids 561 01:16:22,500 --> 01:16:24,041 and I think that's accurate. 562 01:16:24,958 --> 01:16:27,541 I was thinking so you run you do the 563 01:16:27,541 --> 01:16:29,291 level news podcast here 564 01:16:29,291 --> 01:16:30,083 for all the level news. 565 01:16:30,083 --> 01:16:32,125 We appreciate that with Jacob Bennett. 566 01:16:32,666 --> 01:16:34,333 Then you have North meets 567 01:16:34,333 --> 01:16:36,083 South with Jacob Bennett. 568 01:16:36,750 --> 01:16:37,416 And then now you 569 01:16:37,416 --> 01:16:38,500 started another one, right? 570 01:16:38,583 --> 01:16:39,416 It's I can't even 571 01:16:39,416 --> 01:16:40,166 think of the name of it. 572 01:16:40,625 --> 01:16:40,833 Ripples. 573 01:16:41,166 --> 01:16:41,375 Yep. 574 01:16:41,541 --> 01:16:43,958 Yeah, I've got ripples, which and ripples 575 01:16:43,958 --> 01:16:45,458 was born off the back 576 01:16:45,458 --> 01:16:46,916 of Barak on I you last 577 01:16:46,916 --> 01:16:51,500 year, this this this idea that I didn't 578 01:16:51,500 --> 01:16:53,625 know how to illustrate 579 01:16:53,625 --> 01:16:55,041 or how to verbalize this 580 01:16:55,041 --> 01:16:57,625 idea of like, you do things in life to 581 01:16:57,625 --> 01:16:59,416 kind of it was it was 582 01:16:59,416 --> 01:17:00,750 taking Aaron's concept of 583 01:17:00,750 --> 01:17:02,875 like, do things and good 584 01:17:02,875 --> 01:17:03,625 things will come your way. 585 01:17:03,708 --> 01:17:04,125 Right. 586 01:17:04,125 --> 01:17:05,208 And it was like, well, you don't know 587 01:17:05,208 --> 01:17:06,916 what things are gonna land. 588 01:17:07,375 --> 01:17:08,833 And then I was talking to a friend of 589 01:17:08,833 --> 01:17:10,166 mine and he said, well, 590 01:17:10,291 --> 01:17:11,375 yeah, it's like a ripple 591 01:17:11,375 --> 01:17:12,125 when you drop a ripple. 592 01:17:12,500 --> 01:17:13,291 You know, you don't know where those 593 01:17:13,291 --> 01:17:14,291 things fan out when they 594 01:17:14,291 --> 01:17:15,250 overlap and things like 595 01:17:15,250 --> 01:17:15,458 that. 596 01:17:15,666 --> 01:17:17,500 So ripples was born out of that. 597 01:17:17,500 --> 01:17:21,583 And so we interview not like not famous 598 01:17:21,583 --> 01:17:22,791 people, pillars of the 599 01:17:22,791 --> 01:17:23,916 Laravel community, but you 600 01:17:23,916 --> 01:17:28,125 know, just people that have better 601 01:17:28,125 --> 01:17:30,000 outcomes in life now 602 01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:31,875 because of the ripples through 603 01:17:31,875 --> 01:17:34,041 their life, you know, whatever they threw 604 01:17:34,041 --> 01:17:34,958 out there, whenever it 605 01:17:34,958 --> 01:17:36,083 happened, we had Aaron 606 01:17:36,166 --> 01:17:38,833 on we've spoken to and Rissa Jackson, 607 01:17:39,041 --> 01:17:39,791 we've spoken to Tim 608 01:17:39,791 --> 01:17:42,041 McDonald, Jess Archer, you know, 609 01:17:42,041 --> 01:17:43,416 people that that you know, maybe 610 01:17:43,416 --> 01:17:44,833 something you don't. 611 01:17:45,208 --> 01:17:46,875 You know, 12 months ago, Rissa Jackson 612 01:17:46,875 --> 01:17:48,166 had never spoken at a conference. 613 01:17:48,416 --> 01:17:50,166 And now she's just wrapped up a grand 614 01:17:50,166 --> 01:17:52,000 slam at LaraCon US like 615 01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:52,916 done all four of them in 616 01:17:52,916 --> 01:17:54,333 her first year, Daniel Coburn, same 617 01:17:54,333 --> 01:17:55,250 thing, all four of 618 01:17:55,250 --> 01:17:56,375 them in his first year. 619 01:17:57,166 --> 01:17:59,416 Joe Tannenbaum is gonna do all four of 620 01:17:59,416 --> 01:18:00,250 them, four of them in 621 01:18:00,250 --> 01:18:01,458 his first year when he when 622 01:18:01,458 --> 01:18:03,083 he speaks at LaraCon, 623 01:18:03,083 --> 01:18:03,583 are you in November? 624 01:18:03,791 --> 01:18:06,125 So it's like all of these things like 625 01:18:06,125 --> 01:18:08,000 Joe, Joe was an actor. 626 01:18:09,458 --> 01:18:11,458 We've got someone speaking at LaraCon. 627 01:18:12,166 --> 01:18:14,875 I you this year that that was a chemistry 628 01:18:14,875 --> 01:18:15,791 major that is now an 629 01:18:15,791 --> 01:18:16,708 engineering team lead. 630 01:18:17,875 --> 01:18:21,500 We've got Aaron Francis himself started 631 01:18:21,500 --> 01:18:22,458 life as an accountant. 632 01:18:22,750 --> 01:18:24,458 And now he's Aaron Francis. 633 01:18:24,458 --> 01:18:26,500 So all of these things when when you 634 01:18:26,500 --> 01:18:27,666 think about it, they're 635 01:18:27,666 --> 01:18:29,333 all kind of the same notion 636 01:18:29,500 --> 01:18:31,250 of just doing things and 637 01:18:31,250 --> 01:18:32,416 putting yourself out there. 638 01:18:32,416 --> 01:18:35,083 And who knows what good unexpected things 639 01:18:35,083 --> 01:18:37,250 come your way to to 640 01:18:37,250 --> 01:18:39,500 borrow and again paraphrase 641 01:18:40,166 --> 01:18:42,708 our Lara Lara, our 642 01:18:42,708 --> 01:18:44,833 old dad in our Francis. 643 01:18:45,416 --> 01:18:48,416 Yeah, it's so true, though, like, you 644 01:18:48,416 --> 01:18:50,208 know, you, you know, you 645 01:18:50,208 --> 01:18:51,708 show up, you just put stuff 646 01:18:51,833 --> 01:18:53,000 out there and then eventually something 647 01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:54,000 sticks and something like 648 01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:55,166 moves your career forward 649 01:18:55,166 --> 01:18:56,375 or moves your life forward. 650 01:18:56,416 --> 01:18:58,708 And it's just sort of amazing, like, you 651 01:18:58,708 --> 01:19:00,000 know, that's like me 652 01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:02,083 doing this podcast, you know, 653 01:19:02,083 --> 01:19:03,625 I know you hosted everybody's podcast, we 654 01:19:03,625 --> 01:19:04,125 were just talking 655 01:19:04,125 --> 01:19:05,583 before we started, like, 656 01:19:05,708 --> 01:19:07,083 I've really never been on it. 657 01:19:07,375 --> 01:19:09,666 And I didn't really want to be on it. 658 01:19:09,875 --> 01:19:10,625 And now I'm like, 659 01:19:10,625 --> 01:19:11,750 getting more comfortable. 660 01:19:11,750 --> 01:19:12,708 And it's like, well, if you don't throw 661 01:19:12,708 --> 01:19:13,500 yourself out there, then, 662 01:19:13,500 --> 01:19:14,791 you know, nothing good is 663 01:19:14,791 --> 01:19:15,458 going to happen. 664 01:19:15,458 --> 01:19:15,916 So you're just gonna be 665 01:19:15,916 --> 01:19:16,875 behind the computer all day. 666 01:19:18,333 --> 01:19:21,000 So yeah, it's it's, it's pretty sweet. 667 01:19:21,875 --> 01:19:25,000 So what actually like, like, what got you 668 01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:25,750 into podcasting 669 01:19:25,750 --> 01:19:26,625 originally, because you've 670 01:19:26,625 --> 01:19:29,500 been doing it what for 10 years now? 671 01:19:31,166 --> 01:19:33,625 Since 2016, I think is when Jake and I 672 01:19:33,625 --> 01:19:34,958 started North, North, South. 673 01:19:35,375 --> 01:19:37,458 So yeah, it's been a part of 10 years. 674 01:19:38,250 --> 01:19:39,583 It just seemed like the thing to do at 675 01:19:39,583 --> 01:19:41,041 the time, everyone was 676 01:19:41,041 --> 01:19:42,041 starting a podcast back 677 01:19:42,041 --> 01:19:42,333 then. 678 01:19:42,333 --> 01:19:44,166 And it was a way to 679 01:19:44,166 --> 01:19:46,250 communicate with the Laravel community. 680 01:19:46,583 --> 01:19:48,541 I don't and it's like it feels a lot of 681 01:19:48,541 --> 01:19:49,416 the time like a one way 682 01:19:49,416 --> 01:19:51,458 communication that Jake 683 01:19:51,500 --> 01:19:52,708 and I get together every other week. 684 01:19:53,208 --> 01:19:55,000 On Northmead South, we get together every 685 01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:56,083 other week, we do Laravel news. 686 01:19:57,166 --> 01:19:58,791 And and we talk talk about stuff. 687 01:19:58,791 --> 01:20:01,166 And it's, it feels like an echo chamber. 688 01:20:01,708 --> 01:20:03,208 But every now and then you'll come across 689 01:20:03,208 --> 01:20:05,458 someone, you know, Jake said he met heaps 690 01:20:05,458 --> 01:20:07,041 of people at LaraCon US this year that 691 01:20:07,041 --> 01:20:07,833 came up and said, you 692 01:20:07,833 --> 01:20:08,750 know, thanks for the podcast. 693 01:20:08,750 --> 01:20:09,541 Thanks for everything you do. 694 01:20:09,541 --> 01:20:12,166 And it's like, you don't really realize 695 01:20:12,166 --> 01:20:13,625 when you're doing the 696 01:20:13,625 --> 01:20:15,250 podcasting, because people 697 01:20:15,250 --> 01:20:17,166 don't always run to the comments unless 698 01:20:17,166 --> 01:20:18,541 you're doing something diabolical. 699 01:20:19,375 --> 01:20:21,166 You're farming for engagement, or you've 700 01:20:21,166 --> 01:20:22,666 got controversial takes, like people were 701 01:20:22,666 --> 01:20:23,250 just like, oh, yeah, 702 01:20:23,916 --> 01:20:25,208 there was a podcast episode. 703 01:20:25,416 --> 01:20:26,875 And like people listen, like we see that 704 01:20:26,875 --> 01:20:27,958 people continue to listen 705 01:20:27,958 --> 01:20:29,333 to it all these years later. 706 01:20:29,333 --> 01:20:31,916 So it's not all that bad. 707 01:20:32,166 --> 01:20:34,083 But yeah, it was just it was just a way 708 01:20:34,083 --> 01:20:36,166 of putting my ideas and 709 01:20:36,166 --> 01:20:37,083 my thoughts out there. 710 01:20:37,083 --> 01:20:39,125 It sometimes serves as a bit of a like 711 01:20:39,125 --> 01:20:40,291 status update for my boss 712 01:20:40,291 --> 01:20:41,458 who I know listens to the 713 01:20:41,458 --> 01:20:43,500 podcast because a day or two later, he's 714 01:20:43,500 --> 01:20:44,166 like, Oh, so that's what 715 01:20:44,166 --> 01:20:45,000 you worked on last week. 716 01:20:45,541 --> 01:20:46,916 So it's done. 717 01:20:47,375 --> 01:20:49,250 Yeah, it's just and it's like it's good 718 01:20:49,250 --> 01:20:50,500 to stay in touch with 719 01:20:50,500 --> 01:20:52,000 Jake, because you know, 720 01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:53,833 the time difference and like physical 721 01:20:53,833 --> 01:20:55,333 distance keeping in touch 722 01:20:55,333 --> 01:20:56,500 with like we've seen each 723 01:20:56,500 --> 01:20:59,375 other's kids grow up and we've been in 724 01:20:59,375 --> 01:21:01,666 touch for a long period of time. 725 01:21:02,250 --> 01:21:04,708 So I was gonna go. 726 01:21:05,166 --> 01:21:05,666 I was gonna say I was 727 01:21:05,666 --> 01:21:06,666 gonna ask you about that. 728 01:21:06,666 --> 01:21:08,333 How how do y'all how 729 01:21:08,333 --> 01:21:09,291 can you schedule that? 730 01:21:09,291 --> 01:21:11,833 Because like right now I'm East Coast 731 01:21:11,833 --> 01:21:13,500 time and I think we're me 732 01:21:13,500 --> 01:21:15,250 and you are like 12 hours 733 01:21:15,666 --> 01:21:18,541 no, is it 24 12 hours difference? 734 01:21:19,083 --> 01:21:20,625 Yeah, 12. 735 01:21:20,833 --> 01:21:21,041 Yeah. 736 01:21:21,500 --> 01:21:21,708 Yeah. 737 01:21:21,833 --> 01:21:22,583 So it's seven. 738 01:21:22,583 --> 01:21:24,583 It's eight o'clock p on my time, which I 739 01:21:24,583 --> 01:21:26,083 think is eight o'clock a on your time. 740 01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:28,000 And you know, it wasn't 741 01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:29,833 the easiest one to schedule. 742 01:21:30,041 --> 01:21:32,750 So how do you do that each week with kids 743 01:21:32,750 --> 01:21:35,000 and every in life, I 744 01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:35,833 guess is the right way. 745 01:21:36,375 --> 01:21:38,000 Yeah, I mean, I do all my lunch breaks 746 01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:40,541 usually, which is right 747 01:21:40,541 --> 01:21:42,000 after Jake's kids get to bed. 748 01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:43,500 And that's just what we 749 01:21:43,500 --> 01:21:44,833 have found his work for us. 750 01:21:44,958 --> 01:21:46,833 And it's always one of us message 751 01:21:46,833 --> 01:21:48,208 messaging the other on 752 01:21:48,208 --> 01:21:49,458 recording day to like make sure 753 01:21:49,458 --> 01:21:50,625 hey, we we still on 754 01:21:50,625 --> 01:21:52,583 because sometimes things come up. 755 01:21:52,583 --> 01:21:53,375 Sometimes I've got to go 756 01:21:53,375 --> 01:21:54,375 and pick the kids up early. 757 01:21:54,375 --> 01:21:56,000 Sometimes Jake's held up somewhere. 758 01:21:56,541 --> 01:21:57,916 So, you know, and we do 759 01:21:57,916 --> 01:21:59,000 reschedule from time to time. 760 01:21:59,333 --> 01:22:01,208 We try really hard to make sure that we 761 01:22:01,208 --> 01:22:03,541 always get our episodes out on Thursday. 762 01:22:04,291 --> 01:22:06,083 But, you know, sometimes life gets in the 763 01:22:06,083 --> 01:22:07,458 way and we just have to bump it a day or 764 01:22:07,458 --> 01:22:08,416 skip a week sometimes 765 01:22:08,583 --> 01:22:10,375 because someone's had to travel. 766 01:22:10,625 --> 01:22:11,958 So, yeah, it's just a 767 01:22:11,958 --> 01:22:13,583 matter of keeping on top of it. 768 01:22:13,666 --> 01:22:16,333 I would love to do something more local, 769 01:22:16,333 --> 01:22:17,708 which is why I started doing ripples 770 01:22:17,708 --> 01:22:19,000 because Greg and I 771 01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:20,000 are only an hour apart. 772 01:22:20,583 --> 01:22:23,208 So that that makes life definitely a lot 773 01:22:23,208 --> 01:22:24,500 easier to schedule because we don't have 774 01:22:24,500 --> 01:22:27,291 to reason about times and things 775 01:22:27,291 --> 01:22:28,416 happening and whatever else. 776 01:22:28,416 --> 01:22:32,000 But yeah, three to two to two of the and 777 01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:33,500 it helps that two of those 778 01:22:33,500 --> 01:22:35,791 podcasts, it's Jake and I. 779 01:22:36,083 --> 01:22:37,166 Right. So we know that 780 01:22:37,166 --> 01:22:38,083 the schedule is the same. 781 01:22:38,083 --> 01:22:39,791 It's just we alternate between what we're 782 01:22:39,791 --> 01:22:41,875 talking about, which is which is good. 783 01:22:42,583 --> 01:22:44,541 Ripples has been a bit more difficult to 784 01:22:44,541 --> 01:22:46,583 manage because it's as soon as you 785 01:22:46,583 --> 01:22:48,000 introduce a third person, 786 01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:50,791 you're now trying to schedule three time 787 01:22:50,791 --> 01:22:52,958 zones, which which gets a 788 01:22:52,958 --> 01:22:54,041 bit because we're close. 789 01:22:54,041 --> 01:22:56,166 It's OK. But like when it's me, Jake and 790 01:22:56,166 --> 01:22:57,916 a third person that can get a bit, 791 01:22:57,916 --> 01:22:59,166 especially when they're in like Europe, 792 01:22:59,166 --> 01:23:00,083 it gets a bit bit 793 01:23:00,083 --> 01:23:03,083 funny. So. But yeah, is that. 794 01:23:03,083 --> 01:23:05,125 And then that's only three of the 795 01:23:05,125 --> 01:23:05,958 podcasts you mentioned. 796 01:23:05,958 --> 01:23:07,125 I've got more podcasts than kids. 797 01:23:07,166 --> 01:23:09,416 I've got another one which I kind of 798 01:23:09,416 --> 01:23:11,000 picked up for a bit and then and then 799 01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:12,166 didn't really do a lot 800 01:23:12,166 --> 01:23:13,625 beyond like eight episodes, 801 01:23:13,625 --> 01:23:16,166 which was pushpot, which was just like a 802 01:23:16,166 --> 01:23:18,041 look back, look forward kind of thing 803 01:23:18,041 --> 01:23:20,416 that is out after I 804 01:23:20,416 --> 01:23:21,458 did LaraCon last year. 805 01:23:22,291 --> 01:23:24,250 And another one that I'm going to pick up 806 01:23:24,250 --> 01:23:27,500 again in the next few weeks, which is 807 01:23:27,500 --> 01:23:29,083 like seasonal is the road to LaraCon, 808 01:23:29,333 --> 01:23:30,291 which we which we'll use 809 01:23:30,291 --> 01:23:31,916 to interview and LaraCon. 810 01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:34,416 You speakers so that that will be coming 811 01:23:34,416 --> 01:23:35,750 out again in the next 812 01:23:35,750 --> 01:23:36,583 little while as well. 813 01:23:37,333 --> 01:23:39,291 That's awesome. I was that brought me to 814 01:23:39,291 --> 01:23:42,541 another question is the so the LaraCon a 815 01:23:42,541 --> 01:23:43,708 you like Twitter 816 01:23:43,708 --> 01:23:44,541 account, LinkedIn account. 817 01:23:44,916 --> 01:23:45,458 You have all these 818 01:23:45,458 --> 01:23:46,916 little videos of the speakers. 819 01:23:47,166 --> 01:23:49,458 Is that all coming from the recordings 820 01:23:49,458 --> 01:23:51,541 from that road to LaraCon or is that 821 01:23:51,541 --> 01:23:53,875 these are just separate things that 822 01:23:53,875 --> 01:23:54,833 you're just doing now? 823 01:23:54,833 --> 01:23:56,666 Yeah, this was just like an idea that I 824 01:23:56,666 --> 01:23:58,041 had very last minute last year. 825 01:23:58,583 --> 01:24:01,250 And like the speakers are very good to me 826 01:24:01,250 --> 01:24:05,333 and they all kind of really took on the 827 01:24:05,333 --> 01:24:06,750 challenge of doing it. 828 01:24:07,291 --> 01:24:10,625 And so this year it was like part of the 829 01:24:10,625 --> 01:24:12,416 submission process was we are going to 830 01:24:12,416 --> 01:24:14,208 ask you to do this and it will be like a 831 01:24:14,208 --> 01:24:15,500 planned out thing that we're doing. 832 01:24:15,916 --> 01:24:17,500 So we've got I think 833 01:24:17,500 --> 01:24:18,875 four or five left of them. 834 01:24:18,875 --> 01:24:20,291 There'll be another one coming out later 835 01:24:20,291 --> 01:24:22,625 today, later tonight for you, I suppose. 836 01:24:24,125 --> 01:24:26,375 And then I think we've probably got three 837 01:24:26,375 --> 01:24:29,416 or four left and then we've got some 838 01:24:29,416 --> 01:24:30,916 other social media stuff coming as well. 839 01:24:32,166 --> 01:24:34,125 Just just to keep everything front of 840 01:24:34,125 --> 01:24:35,708 mind for people in the lead up to 841 01:24:35,708 --> 01:24:40,458 November as we try and sell the last last 842 01:24:40,458 --> 01:24:41,666 few tickets to the conference. 843 01:24:42,416 --> 01:24:45,583 I love that. So speaking of time zones 844 01:24:45,583 --> 01:24:50,958 like, you know, like, where is most of 845 01:24:50,958 --> 01:24:53,041 the level world, I guess, like, when you 846 01:24:53,041 --> 01:24:53,916 jump on the Internet, 847 01:24:54,458 --> 01:24:57,375 is pretty much everybody's day done and 848 01:24:57,375 --> 01:24:59,958 you just kind of catch up that way. 849 01:24:59,958 --> 01:25:02,083 I mean, it seems like with me and you, we 850 01:25:02,083 --> 01:25:02,958 have such a big overlap, 851 01:25:02,958 --> 01:25:04,500 even though we talk a lot. 852 01:25:04,500 --> 01:25:06,000 I miss a lot of stuff you do and you 853 01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:07,333 probably miss a lot of stuff I do just 854 01:25:07,333 --> 01:25:09,500 because of how, like, the different 855 01:25:09,500 --> 01:25:10,541 social media feeds like 856 01:25:10,541 --> 01:25:11,500 come up and show stuff. 857 01:25:11,750 --> 01:25:15,000 Is that ever a struggle for you or is 858 01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:17,208 that more like it's just fine 859 01:25:17,208 --> 01:25:18,041 and that's just the way it is? 860 01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:21,083 Yeah, this I mean, yeah, the social 861 01:25:21,083 --> 01:25:23,333 especially in the last 18 months or 862 01:25:23,333 --> 01:25:26,291 whatever it's been since all the APIs got 863 01:25:26,291 --> 01:25:28,791 shut down and Tweetbot was not because I 864 01:25:28,791 --> 01:25:30,291 used to use Tweetbot all the time. 865 01:25:30,291 --> 01:25:31,375 And Tweetbot gave you a 866 01:25:31,375 --> 01:25:34,166 chronological no algorithm, nothing. 867 01:25:34,375 --> 01:25:35,833 It was just like this is everything. 868 01:25:36,041 --> 01:25:37,666 And sometimes there would be, you know, 869 01:25:37,666 --> 01:25:38,708 I'd wake up in the morning and there'd be 870 01:25:38,708 --> 01:25:40,041 hundreds and I was a 871 01:25:40,041 --> 01:25:40,875 Twitter completionist. 872 01:25:40,875 --> 01:25:42,333 I would like scroll and read everything. 873 01:25:42,500 --> 01:25:46,250 So now it's a bit bit more hit and miss 874 01:25:46,250 --> 01:25:48,541 like even in the in the following feed, 875 01:25:48,541 --> 01:25:50,458 it's not everything, you know, and things 876 01:25:50,458 --> 01:25:52,208 are out of order and it tries to sort 877 01:25:52,208 --> 01:25:54,208 things based on like popularity and how 878 01:25:54,208 --> 01:25:55,500 many replies are on the 879 01:25:55,500 --> 01:25:57,000 threads and all this like weed. 880 01:25:57,125 --> 01:25:57,833 Like it's kind of 881 01:25:57,833 --> 01:25:59,083 chronological, but kind of not. 882 01:25:59,791 --> 01:26:02,625 And so, you know, obviously, they're like 883 01:26:02,625 --> 01:26:04,833 the dramatic stuff always 884 01:26:04,833 --> 01:26:06,000 bubbles up and you see that. 885 01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:07,833 But there's there's bits and pieces that 886 01:26:07,833 --> 01:26:09,625 get missed like and you 887 01:26:09,625 --> 01:26:10,750 just pick up or you don't. 888 01:26:10,791 --> 01:26:12,000 And someone will tell you about it if 889 01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:12,750 it's really important. 890 01:26:13,791 --> 01:26:15,541 But I like to try and keep tabs on it. 891 01:26:15,833 --> 01:26:17,791 There's a bit of overlap in my afternoons 892 01:26:17,791 --> 01:26:18,791 with the European crew. 893 01:26:19,750 --> 01:26:21,416 But most of what happens in the US, which 894 01:26:21,416 --> 01:26:23,291 is which is where the majority of like 895 01:26:23,291 --> 01:26:24,458 the active Laravel people 896 01:26:24,458 --> 01:26:25,875 are, happens while I sleep. 897 01:26:27,500 --> 01:26:29,750 That's interesting. Yeah. The you know, 898 01:26:30,041 --> 01:26:31,583 this this year I actually went to that 899 01:26:31,583 --> 01:26:33,750 Laravel lab in London and it was wild 900 01:26:33,750 --> 01:26:35,791 just waking up and be like 901 01:26:35,791 --> 01:26:37,416 nothing going on on the Internet. 902 01:26:37,500 --> 01:26:38,958 And then all of a sudden, like we would 903 01:26:38,958 --> 01:26:39,875 go to the conference and it was like 904 01:26:39,875 --> 01:26:41,750 after it was over, everything, you know, 905 01:26:41,750 --> 01:26:42,500 the whole day was over. 906 01:26:42,750 --> 01:26:43,333 So it was like then 907 01:26:43,333 --> 01:26:44,541 everything's flooding in. 908 01:26:44,541 --> 01:26:46,625 It was like it was it was it was kind of 909 01:26:46,625 --> 01:26:49,375 hard to retrain my brain 910 01:26:49,375 --> 01:26:51,125 how the how all that works. 911 01:26:52,208 --> 01:26:53,708 But but, you know, now that you come 912 01:26:53,708 --> 01:26:55,166 back, it's like, well, I can't keep up 913 01:26:55,166 --> 01:26:55,708 anyway because it's 914 01:26:55,708 --> 01:26:56,750 like going too fast now. 915 01:26:58,291 --> 01:26:59,750 But anyway, it's it's 916 01:26:59,750 --> 01:27:00,541 tons ons are interesting. 917 01:27:00,750 --> 01:27:03,250 It's the man's greatest invention. 918 01:27:03,916 --> 01:27:04,583 Yeah, that's right. 919 01:27:05,916 --> 01:27:09,083 You like to do it. Yes, I 920 01:27:09,083 --> 01:27:10,208 don't I don't have a choice. 921 01:27:10,208 --> 01:27:13,625 You just have to go with the flow. Yeah. 922 01:27:14,958 --> 01:27:18,958 So moving on, this one's 923 01:27:18,958 --> 01:27:20,875 this is a way back question. 924 01:27:21,375 --> 01:27:24,333 When did you first find Laravel? What 925 01:27:24,333 --> 01:27:25,750 version or what year? 926 01:27:26,583 --> 01:27:27,458 Yeah, I think I think I did 927 01:27:27,458 --> 01:27:28,500 touch on it a little bit earlier. 928 01:27:28,500 --> 01:27:29,458 I think it was probably around 929 01:27:29,458 --> 01:27:33,666 2011, like around around then. 930 01:27:35,333 --> 01:27:40,583 Maybe. Yeah, I feel like it was 2011 and 931 01:27:40,583 --> 01:27:43,291 it was like in the version three, like 932 01:27:43,291 --> 01:27:44,583 there was no composer yet. 933 01:27:44,583 --> 01:27:45,916 It was all of the like 934 01:27:45,916 --> 01:27:47,958 built in plugging things. 935 01:27:48,166 --> 01:27:48,791 The first time I really 936 01:27:48,791 --> 01:27:50,291 got the bundles, the bundles. 937 01:27:50,708 --> 01:27:53,250 Yeah. The first time I really got to look 938 01:27:53,250 --> 01:27:56,750 at it was probably version four, four one 939 01:27:56,750 --> 01:27:57,791 when I and I'd like 940 01:27:57,791 --> 01:27:59,291 transition to working at an agency. 941 01:27:59,291 --> 01:28:00,333 And we were building like 942 01:28:00,333 --> 01:28:01,541 we were building our own. 943 01:28:01,791 --> 01:28:03,791 We had our own in house 944 01:28:03,791 --> 01:28:04,875 framework at the time. 945 01:28:04,875 --> 01:28:07,208 And so in house CMS. So this was like 946 01:28:07,208 --> 01:28:09,541 looking at Laravel as a way to to kind of 947 01:28:09,541 --> 01:28:10,875 improve on that, to 948 01:28:10,875 --> 01:28:12,375 modernize it a little bit. 949 01:28:12,375 --> 01:28:12,875 So, yeah, it's been 950 01:28:12,875 --> 01:28:15,541 what are we, 2014 now? 951 01:28:15,541 --> 01:28:17,166 So it's been 13 years. 952 01:28:17,166 --> 01:28:19,125 Wow. Yeah, that's crazy. 953 01:28:19,458 --> 01:28:20,916 The sort of I was talking to somebody 954 01:28:20,916 --> 01:28:22,333 else about it's like that version. 955 01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:23,875 It was like late version 956 01:28:23,875 --> 01:28:25,041 three, early version four. 957 01:28:25,041 --> 01:28:26,416 It seems like Laravel 958 01:28:26,416 --> 01:28:28,083 sort of just wanted. 959 01:28:28,125 --> 01:28:29,916 I don't want to say took over a PHP, but 960 01:28:29,916 --> 01:28:32,125 that's when it really started to build a 961 01:28:32,125 --> 01:28:34,000 lot of traction because you meet a lot of 962 01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:34,833 people that came in 963 01:28:34,833 --> 01:28:36,625 right around that same time. 964 01:28:37,208 --> 01:28:39,291 Which I mean, you were there right at the 965 01:28:39,291 --> 01:28:42,208 Genesis working with Taylor at Euziscape. 966 01:28:43,041 --> 01:28:45,083 Yeah, but I still think like one, you 967 01:28:45,083 --> 01:28:47,041 know, one was only like what a week came 968 01:28:47,041 --> 01:28:47,708 out like a week and 969 01:28:47,708 --> 01:28:48,583 then version two came out. 970 01:28:48,833 --> 01:28:50,583 I want to say I was because I actually 971 01:28:50,583 --> 01:28:52,125 helped build the bundle site when I 972 01:28:52,125 --> 01:28:54,333 worked at Euziscape and when that was 973 01:28:54,333 --> 01:28:55,291 when me and Taylor worked together. 974 01:28:57,000 --> 01:28:58,625 And then, of course, then Composer sort 975 01:28:58,625 --> 01:29:01,000 of took over everything and it was way 976 01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:03,250 better with Composer than, you know, 977 01:29:03,250 --> 01:29:04,625 trying to install some bundles and stuff. 978 01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:07,791 But, but yeah, it's it's 979 01:29:07,791 --> 01:29:09,583 yeah, I think I found it, man. 980 01:29:10,291 --> 01:29:11,333 I don't know how many years ago that was, 981 01:29:11,333 --> 01:29:12,541 but just never left. 982 01:29:12,541 --> 01:29:14,125 I was like, this is this is 983 01:29:14,125 --> 01:29:15,125 my people. I like Laravel. 984 01:29:17,833 --> 01:29:20,291 Yeah, it's like it's managed to to its 985 01:29:20,291 --> 01:29:22,916 credit and to Taylor's credit managed to 986 01:29:22,916 --> 01:29:25,000 keep a lot of that community, a lot of 987 01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:27,000 that feel from those early days. 988 01:29:27,250 --> 01:29:28,791 It'll be interesting to see how things go 989 01:29:28,791 --> 01:29:32,000 now with the funding and all of that. 990 01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:34,166 But I don't like the the 991 01:29:34,166 --> 01:29:35,208 episode hasn't come out yet. 992 01:29:35,666 --> 01:29:36,958 But the episode, I talk 993 01:29:36,958 --> 01:29:37,541 a little bit about it. 994 01:29:37,541 --> 01:29:39,916 I'm like, I'm optimistic for what this 995 01:29:39,916 --> 01:29:42,500 actually means, not just for Laravel, not 996 01:29:42,500 --> 01:29:45,375 just for Taylor and and his business, 997 01:29:45,916 --> 01:29:48,000 but for the Laravel community at large 998 01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:50,000 and even like the the trickle down this 999 01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:52,833 will have on PHP as a 1000 01:29:52,833 --> 01:29:55,000 language and as a wider ecosystem. 1001 01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:56,916 And so it'll be interesting 1002 01:29:56,916 --> 01:29:59,250 to see how that goes for sure. 1003 01:29:59,500 --> 01:30:01,291 I'm very bullish. It's 1004 01:30:01,291 --> 01:30:02,416 going to be good for everybody. 1005 01:30:03,458 --> 01:30:06,041 You know, not only like like you said for 1006 01:30:06,041 --> 01:30:08,125 Taylor and that team, but like, you know, 1007 01:30:08,250 --> 01:30:10,625 now we're getting PHP in front of CEOs 1008 01:30:10,625 --> 01:30:13,000 minds because, you know, it's on the 1009 01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:14,000 front page of Fortune 1010 01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:15,291 magazine and probably Bloomberg 1011 01:30:15,500 --> 01:30:18,000 and whoever else at this point. So it's 1012 01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:19,500 definitely going to get into more 1013 01:30:19,500 --> 01:30:20,875 eyeballs than just developers. 1014 01:30:21,333 --> 01:30:22,458 And in theory, that should 1015 01:30:22,458 --> 01:30:23,750 help everybody in the community. 1016 01:30:25,041 --> 01:30:26,208 You know, the other thing I love is how, 1017 01:30:26,208 --> 01:30:27,791 like, Laravel seems like 1018 01:30:27,791 --> 01:30:29,291 it has not gotten stale. 1019 01:30:29,416 --> 01:30:31,875 And since it was created, you know, I 1020 01:30:31,875 --> 01:30:33,166 think that's sort of the demise of a lot 1021 01:30:33,166 --> 01:30:34,541 of the other frameworks that was in the 1022 01:30:34,541 --> 01:30:37,208 PHP space at that early those early days, 1023 01:30:37,208 --> 01:30:38,125 they kind of, you 1024 01:30:38,125 --> 01:30:39,083 know, they have a big bang. 1025 01:30:39,083 --> 01:30:40,958 And then they just kind of fizzled and 1026 01:30:40,958 --> 01:30:41,583 just didn't get 1027 01:30:41,583 --> 01:30:42,625 updates, didn't get anything. 1028 01:30:43,083 --> 01:30:44,750 And then we're, you know, Taylor and 1029 01:30:44,750 --> 01:30:46,458 Laravel, they just keep pushing the bar 1030 01:30:46,458 --> 01:30:48,625 and trying to make everything better. 1031 01:30:49,291 --> 01:30:50,916 So I think that's awesome. 1032 01:30:51,625 --> 01:30:53,583 And it's always, you know, I think those 1033 01:30:53,583 --> 01:30:56,583 other other frameworks, maybe they look, 1034 01:30:56,583 --> 01:30:58,000 they always try to do their own thing. 1035 01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:00,083 They always try to innovate where Laravel 1036 01:31:00,083 --> 01:31:04,291 has never been afraid or shy to look at 1037 01:31:04,291 --> 01:31:06,500 what other communities are doing and to 1038 01:31:06,500 --> 01:31:08,375 borrow ideas and to improve ideas. 1039 01:31:08,375 --> 01:31:10,000 And like it goes the other way as well. 1040 01:31:10,458 --> 01:31:12,083 There are things in Laravel now that 1041 01:31:12,083 --> 01:31:13,291 Symphony has done for a while. 1042 01:31:13,291 --> 01:31:14,541 And there are things that Symphony does 1043 01:31:14,541 --> 01:31:15,666 now that Laravel did. 1044 01:31:15,666 --> 01:31:17,375 And there are things in Rails, you know, 1045 01:31:17,375 --> 01:31:18,583 I mean, active record, 1046 01:31:18,583 --> 01:31:20,291 eloquent comes from Rails. 1047 01:31:20,916 --> 01:31:23,250 But there are things in the Rails 1048 01:31:23,250 --> 01:31:24,750 ecosystem that have come from Laravel. 1049 01:31:25,166 --> 01:31:28,541 So, you know, that the ideas are good 1050 01:31:28,541 --> 01:31:31,125 enough to cross between language and 1051 01:31:31,125 --> 01:31:33,541 framework boundaries means that, you 1052 01:31:33,541 --> 01:31:35,041 know, everything keeps going. 1053 01:31:35,083 --> 01:31:36,750 Not everyone's going to come up with all 1054 01:31:36,750 --> 01:31:39,458 of the original ideas in Laravel or in 1055 01:31:39,458 --> 01:31:42,125 Rails or in Symphony or wherever, but 1056 01:31:42,125 --> 01:31:44,041 that they can be transitioned in a way 1057 01:31:44,041 --> 01:31:45,916 that they are like the same thing but 1058 01:31:45,916 --> 01:31:47,958 done in like the Laravel way or the Rails 1059 01:31:47,958 --> 01:31:50,500 way or the Symphony way means that, you 1060 01:31:50,500 --> 01:31:53,125 know, all of this keeps moving forward. 1061 01:31:54,375 --> 01:31:57,250 And, you know, I think Taylor was 1062 01:31:57,250 --> 01:31:59,875 probably the first one really that found 1063 01:31:59,875 --> 01:32:03,000 a way to commercialize open source in 1064 01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:04,791 such a way that maintaining the free 1065 01:32:04,791 --> 01:32:07,375 stuff was viable as 1066 01:32:07,375 --> 01:32:08,541 like a full-time thing. 1067 01:32:09,875 --> 01:32:11,791 Yeah, yeah. I think, you know, speaking 1068 01:32:11,791 --> 01:32:13,083 about the commercial side, you know, I 1069 01:32:13,083 --> 01:32:15,208 think back to sort of the code igniter 1070 01:32:15,208 --> 01:32:17,583 slash expression engine days, you know, 1071 01:32:17,583 --> 01:32:19,208 they had expression engine as the 1072 01:32:19,208 --> 01:32:20,500 commercial entity and they had code 1073 01:32:20,500 --> 01:32:21,250 igniter sort of the 1074 01:32:21,250 --> 01:32:22,500 framework that sort of. 1075 01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:25,166 Came out of expression engine, but they 1076 01:32:25,166 --> 01:32:27,791 were never I don't know if you used 1077 01:32:27,791 --> 01:32:28,791 either one of them way back in the day, 1078 01:32:28,791 --> 01:32:31,583 but they were not like one to one 1079 01:32:31,583 --> 01:32:34,250 pairing. Basically, you if expression 1080 01:32:34,250 --> 01:32:36,208 engine was so different code wise than 1081 01:32:36,208 --> 01:32:37,083 coding utter itself. 1082 01:32:37,083 --> 01:32:38,333 It's like you couldn't just mayor them 1083 01:32:38,333 --> 01:32:39,833 together, like, even though you knew code 1084 01:32:39,833 --> 01:32:41,500 it not or you might not know all the, you 1085 01:32:41,500 --> 01:32:42,666 know, the expression engine. 1086 01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:45,000 And I think that was one of the cool 1087 01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:47,625 things with sort of Laravel and 1088 01:32:47,625 --> 01:32:49,166 everything he creates out of Laravel. 1089 01:32:49,166 --> 01:32:51,291 It's like it's it's married right to the 1090 01:32:51,291 --> 01:32:52,541 framework. You know, if you're used to 1091 01:32:52,541 --> 01:32:54,208 Laravel, you can just pick up any of 1092 01:32:54,208 --> 01:32:56,250 these tools that we use simply. 1093 01:32:57,375 --> 01:32:58,958 Of course, you know, in the Forge is just 1094 01:32:58,958 --> 01:33:00,416 all the other tools are just like awesome 1095 01:33:00,416 --> 01:33:02,541 to use. And it's like, well, yeah, of 1096 01:33:02,541 --> 01:33:03,750 course, of course, this should have been 1097 01:33:03,750 --> 01:33:04,750 a product, you know, 20 1098 01:33:04,750 --> 01:33:05,791 years ago. This is amazing. 1099 01:33:06,416 --> 01:33:08,416 Yeah, and like this, this third party 1100 01:33:08,416 --> 01:33:09,875 things out there, there's alternatives 1101 01:33:09,875 --> 01:33:11,458 and things like that that are that are 1102 01:33:11,458 --> 01:33:14,375 maybe cheaper. But you know that in I 1103 01:33:14,375 --> 01:33:16,250 mean, number one, using the first party 1104 01:33:16,250 --> 01:33:18,000 tools, you are funding the development of 1105 01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:20,125 the open source stuff and the framework 1106 01:33:20,125 --> 01:33:21,000 and things like that. 1107 01:33:21,416 --> 01:33:22,625 But you know, as you say, you're gonna 1108 01:33:22,625 --> 01:33:25,500 have that familiar familiarity of 1109 01:33:25,500 --> 01:33:27,875 experience when you use any of those 1110 01:33:27,875 --> 01:33:29,625 things. And like this friction points for 1111 01:33:29,625 --> 01:33:31,375 different people at different times, but 1112 01:33:31,375 --> 01:33:34,000 by and large, those tools, and that's 1113 01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:34,916 going to be the same for everything. 1114 01:33:34,958 --> 01:33:36,666 You know, the thing that is built for the 1115 01:33:36,666 --> 01:33:39,958 98% use case is going to raise the IR of 1116 01:33:39,958 --> 01:33:43,916 2%. I'll take I'll take 98% any day. 1117 01:33:44,500 --> 01:33:46,166 All right, so when you're not working 1118 01:33:46,166 --> 01:33:49,750 podcasting, doing anything else, what are 1119 01:33:49,750 --> 01:33:51,500 your hobbies? What do you like to do 1120 01:33:51,500 --> 01:33:52,583 outside off the computer? 1121 01:33:53,791 --> 01:33:55,458 Well, I mean, I don't like doing it, but 1122 01:33:55,458 --> 01:33:57,083 I have got back into it. I've started 1123 01:33:57,083 --> 01:34:00,541 running again. And I used to love playing 1124 01:34:00,541 --> 01:34:02,416 basketball, but my knees have finally 1125 01:34:02,416 --> 01:34:04,500 said it's, it's time to stop that. So 1126 01:34:04,500 --> 01:34:07,208 stop playing basketball. I still love 1127 01:34:07,208 --> 01:34:08,375 watching it still love watching 1128 01:34:08,375 --> 01:34:09,708 Australian rules for the 1129 01:34:09,791 --> 01:34:12,458 kids. And a lot of my time outside of 1130 01:34:12,458 --> 01:34:14,250 that really is just spent with the kids, 1131 01:34:15,166 --> 01:34:17,416 especially now they're at a fun age, four 1132 01:34:17,416 --> 01:34:20,291 and six. And it's just always talking 1133 01:34:20,291 --> 01:34:21,833 always discovering things like it's fun 1134 01:34:21,833 --> 01:34:24,875 watching my oldest, like learning to read 1135 01:34:24,875 --> 01:34:26,833 now. It's just, and he's getting more 1136 01:34:26,833 --> 01:34:29,166 confident with it. And so he's like, he 1137 01:34:29,166 --> 01:34:30,666 was just sitting in the car and he'll be 1138 01:34:30,666 --> 01:34:32,458 reading the song names that come up on 1139 01:34:32,458 --> 01:34:35,291 the entertainment. It's 1140 01:34:35,291 --> 01:34:36,875 this, it is this. It's very good. 1141 01:34:37,625 --> 01:34:38,333 I love that. 1142 01:34:38,333 --> 01:34:40,833 Yeah, that's, that's where a lot of my 1143 01:34:40,833 --> 01:34:44,875 time goes now. And then like, at the end 1144 01:34:44,875 --> 01:34:46,708 of the day, I know that for a lot of 1145 01:34:46,708 --> 01:34:48,333 people like you love your job, you 1146 01:34:48,333 --> 01:34:50,750 program and like I like the idea of going 1147 01:34:50,750 --> 01:34:52,833 and sitting on the computer after 1148 01:34:52,833 --> 01:34:54,083 everyone's gone to bed and like 1149 01:34:54,083 --> 01:34:56,916 programming, but I just, I can't, I just, 1150 01:34:56,916 --> 01:34:59,416 it's, it's TV, like one or two episodes 1151 01:34:59,416 --> 01:35:02,250 of something and then bed and then get up 1152 01:35:02,250 --> 01:35:03,541 and do it all again. 1153 01:35:04,833 --> 01:35:06,500 Yeah, I'm the same way. I've been trying 1154 01:35:06,500 --> 01:35:09,125 to do a much better work life balance. 1155 01:35:09,125 --> 01:35:11,750 It's like, I want to work from whatever 1156 01:35:11,750 --> 01:35:14,250 eight to five and I want to be done and 1157 01:35:14,250 --> 01:35:16,375 just shut off the computer, even though 1158 01:35:16,375 --> 01:35:18,541 it's at home and like, I can do it. And 1159 01:35:18,541 --> 01:35:19,666 there's some things that might need to be 1160 01:35:19,666 --> 01:35:21,333 done. It's like, you gotta have that. Or 1161 01:35:21,333 --> 01:35:23,875 otherwise, like everybody suffers and my 1162 01:35:23,875 --> 01:35:24,708 wife's like, you're not paying me 1163 01:35:24,708 --> 01:35:26,166 attention. And my kids are like, you're 1164 01:35:26,166 --> 01:35:29,958 ignoring me. So it's, it's, it's the fun 1165 01:35:29,958 --> 01:35:31,375 part of working from 1166 01:35:31,375 --> 01:35:33,333 home. Like we do is, is the, 1167 01:35:33,583 --> 01:35:39,541 that conversion there. So sort of to 1168 01:35:39,541 --> 01:35:43,166 transition that one. What advice would 1169 01:35:43,166 --> 01:35:47,125 you give to developers looking, you know, 1170 01:35:47,125 --> 01:35:50,500 that might want to, I think I've ordered 1171 01:35:50,500 --> 01:35:52,125 this question wrong on here. Let me, let 1172 01:35:52,125 --> 01:35:55,375 me rephrase this. What's the number one 1173 01:35:55,375 --> 01:35:58,208 piece of advice you have received in 1174 01:35:58,208 --> 01:35:59,208 relation to web 1175 01:35:59,208 --> 01:36:01,083 development from maybe somebody else? 1176 01:36:04,541 --> 01:36:06,208 I'm the worst person to ask that because 1177 01:36:06,208 --> 01:36:08,666 my memory, like I couldn't tell you any 1178 01:36:08,666 --> 01:36:10,375 specific piece of advice and I couldn't 1179 01:36:10,375 --> 01:36:13,833 tell you any specific person that gave it 1180 01:36:13,833 --> 01:36:15,416 to you. I remember one person in my 1181 01:36:15,416 --> 01:36:17,375 formative years who was the absolute 1182 01:36:17,375 --> 01:36:21,500 worst teacher, but he was also the best 1183 01:36:21,500 --> 01:36:23,708 teacher in that he would take me through 1184 01:36:23,708 --> 01:36:25,375 a problem and he would show me like, we 1185 01:36:25,375 --> 01:36:26,291 could do it like this, we could do it 1186 01:36:26,291 --> 01:36:27,541 like, show me different ways to do it. 1187 01:36:28,166 --> 01:36:29,083 And then at the end of that, if you're 1188 01:36:29,083 --> 01:36:30,041 like, did you get that? Yeah. 1189 01:36:30,083 --> 01:36:32,666 And then we would have a social chat 1190 01:36:32,666 --> 01:36:34,333 like, and he knew this every time, like 1191 01:36:34,333 --> 01:36:35,791 he would then distract me from what he 1192 01:36:35,791 --> 01:36:38,125 just told me. And then he'd like close 1193 01:36:38,125 --> 01:36:39,291 his editor and be like, all right, we'll 1194 01:36:39,291 --> 01:36:42,166 go and like do that. So it like, he 1195 01:36:42,166 --> 01:36:43,416 showed me lots of different ways to do 1196 01:36:43,416 --> 01:36:44,583 things. And he was a big part of my 1197 01:36:44,583 --> 01:36:46,166 formative programming, but he was like, 1198 01:36:46,416 --> 01:36:50,500 just a really bad teacher. And one piece 1199 01:36:50,500 --> 01:36:53,000 of advice that I would impart just 1200 01:36:53,000 --> 01:36:55,750 through learned experience is to not get 1201 01:36:55,750 --> 01:36:57,000 bogged down in the 1202 01:36:57,000 --> 01:36:58,666 minutia of programming. 1203 01:37:00,333 --> 01:37:04,625 Don't, don't, there's no perfect way in 1204 01:37:04,625 --> 01:37:06,000 the, in the, you know, in the quote 1205 01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:07,958 unquote real world, there's no perfect or 1206 01:37:07,958 --> 01:37:10,208 right or correct way. Yes, there's 1207 01:37:10,208 --> 01:37:12,416 correct and like academic ways to do 1208 01:37:12,416 --> 01:37:14,208 things. And yes, there are patterns and 1209 01:37:14,208 --> 01:37:15,916 processes and things like that that we 1210 01:37:15,916 --> 01:37:18,291 follow because they are tried and true 1211 01:37:18,291 --> 01:37:21,041 and repeated and all of that. I get that. 1212 01:37:22,083 --> 01:37:24,958 But when you are learning to program, I 1213 01:37:24,958 --> 01:37:27,166 think the most important and impactful 1214 01:37:27,166 --> 01:37:30,666 way that you can do that is to just get 1215 01:37:30,666 --> 01:37:33,708 something on the page to write some code 1216 01:37:33,708 --> 01:37:35,791 that does something in the browser. 1217 01:37:36,625 --> 01:37:38,583 You're not, you're not building a fortune 1218 01:37:38,583 --> 01:37:40,166 500 company, you are learning 1219 01:37:40,166 --> 01:37:41,833 to program for the first time. 1220 01:37:42,583 --> 01:37:45,666 And so whatever you can do that like 1221 01:37:45,666 --> 01:37:47,583 makes you enjoy what you're doing without 1222 01:37:47,583 --> 01:37:49,708 getting bogged down in the details of 1223 01:37:49,708 --> 01:37:52,916 like how specific things work or should 1224 01:37:52,916 --> 01:37:55,416 work or whether they'd like, you know, 1225 01:37:55,416 --> 01:37:57,125 the conversation we've had this week is 1226 01:37:57,125 --> 01:37:59,041 around Lara Stan and whether or not that 1227 01:37:59,041 --> 01:38:00,125 should be part of the 1228 01:38:00,125 --> 01:38:01,250 default Laravel installation. 1229 01:38:02,375 --> 01:38:03,583 None of that stuff matters when you are 1230 01:38:03,583 --> 01:38:06,333 learning to program. And I think Laravel 1231 01:38:06,333 --> 01:38:08,416 goes a long way to teaching you how to 1232 01:38:08,416 --> 01:38:11,333 ship something, which is the framework 1233 01:38:11,333 --> 01:38:13,875 mantra was a big part of the keynote this 1234 01:38:13,875 --> 01:38:15,208 year is to just ship. 1235 01:38:16,083 --> 01:38:18,500 And like when you are learning the best 1236 01:38:18,500 --> 01:38:20,750 way to keep the motivation and the energy 1237 01:38:20,750 --> 01:38:24,458 going is to just ship and that is to do 1238 01:38:24,458 --> 01:38:26,875 whatever it takes to make yourself happy 1239 01:38:26,875 --> 01:38:28,375 with like you put something out into the 1240 01:38:28,375 --> 01:38:29,833 world and you can revisit the later like 1241 01:38:29,833 --> 01:38:31,375 people need to remember that you can 1242 01:38:31,375 --> 01:38:32,250 change what you've written. 1243 01:38:32,625 --> 01:38:34,208 You own the code. You can change it. 1244 01:38:36,083 --> 01:38:38,000 It's not a painting. You can actually 1245 01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:41,000 yeah, adjust it later. Yes. That's 1246 01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:42,208 actually how I got started though. It's 1247 01:38:42,208 --> 01:38:43,333 the same way. It was like I had this 1248 01:38:43,333 --> 01:38:45,500 product idea in my mind. I was like just 1249 01:38:45,500 --> 01:38:47,500 do whatever I can do to get 1250 01:38:47,500 --> 01:38:49,375 it something that would work. 1251 01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:53,041 And back then it was like this was before 1252 01:38:53,041 --> 01:38:55,333 framework. So you had PHP and I think was 1253 01:38:55,333 --> 01:38:59,458 ASP. And then I just use like I think no, 1254 01:38:59,458 --> 01:39:00,625 I started off with front page and then I 1255 01:39:00,625 --> 01:39:02,083 was using Dreamweaver because they had 1256 01:39:02,083 --> 01:39:03,750 all these little bindings and stuff that 1257 01:39:03,750 --> 01:39:04,041 you could like sync it up. 1258 01:39:04,083 --> 01:39:05,708 And I was like sync it to your database 1259 01:39:05,708 --> 01:39:08,625 and stuff. And oh, it was terrible. Like 1260 01:39:08,625 --> 01:39:10,125 you could I bet if I looked at that now 1261 01:39:10,125 --> 01:39:12,625 it would be you would say that was just 1262 01:39:12,625 --> 01:39:13,833 trash but it worked and it 1263 01:39:13,833 --> 01:39:15,708 was like hey, this is amazing. 1264 01:39:15,708 --> 01:39:17,875 I love this. I love this career. And 1265 01:39:17,875 --> 01:39:20,166 that's what sort of inspired me and made 1266 01:39:20,166 --> 01:39:22,166 me drive to you know when I continued 1267 01:39:22,166 --> 01:39:23,250 down this path all these 1268 01:39:23,250 --> 01:39:25,041 years later. It's exciting. 1269 01:39:25,083 --> 01:39:28,083 And the specifics and the correctness 1270 01:39:28,083 --> 01:39:30,541 like let that ruin your life later. Just 1271 01:39:30,541 --> 01:39:31,750 enjoy it when you're trying 1272 01:39:31,750 --> 01:39:33,041 to learn it for the first time. 1273 01:39:33,625 --> 01:39:37,333 Exactly. So one final question. What have 1274 01:39:37,333 --> 01:39:38,958 you been excited about lately? 1275 01:39:41,500 --> 01:39:47,041 I mean, I reckon Australia. I'm very 1276 01:39:47,041 --> 01:39:49,000 excited just about the direction we're 1277 01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:52,041 taking off. This never happened to me 1278 01:39:52,041 --> 01:39:53,041 with any of the previous ones. 1279 01:39:53,083 --> 01:39:54,625 But I've been waking up in the middle of 1280 01:39:54,625 --> 01:39:56,791 the night just from like the weirdest 1281 01:39:56,791 --> 01:40:00,125 dreams about rocking up on day one. And 1282 01:40:00,125 --> 01:40:01,458 I'm like, I'm there on the wrong day. And 1283 01:40:01,458 --> 01:40:03,625 there's no one there or you know, setting 1284 01:40:03,625 --> 01:40:08,333 up the theater and and you know, one of 1285 01:40:08,333 --> 01:40:10,250 the theater staff was on some scaffolding 1286 01:40:10,250 --> 01:40:11,041 and they fell down and broke. 1287 01:40:11,083 --> 01:40:13,625 I like just these weird things that like 1288 01:40:13,625 --> 01:40:16,250 have never happened in previous. So I'm 1289 01:40:16,250 --> 01:40:19,625 really excited about, you know, doing a 1290 01:40:19,625 --> 01:40:22,916 bigger event like a bigger larrick on 1291 01:40:22,916 --> 01:40:23,875 previous. There was like 1292 01:40:23,875 --> 01:40:26,541 some talks and an after party. 1293 01:40:26,541 --> 01:40:29,416 This year, we're really trying to connect 1294 01:40:29,416 --> 01:40:31,583 people. And I'm really excited about that 1295 01:40:31,583 --> 01:40:33,000 that prospect and I hope that it 1296 01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:34,958 resonates with the people. And I hope 1297 01:40:34,958 --> 01:40:37,375 like I know I said before, it's a long 1298 01:40:37,375 --> 01:40:39,000 way to travel for us to go to the US. 1299 01:40:40,083 --> 01:40:41,833 But we would do it because the US is 1300 01:40:41,833 --> 01:40:44,708 like, you know, the big main event. And I 1301 01:40:44,708 --> 01:40:47,125 would I would love to put on an event 1302 01:40:47,125 --> 01:40:49,208 that makes people really seriously 1303 01:40:49,208 --> 01:40:51,083 consider, you know, maybe 1304 01:40:51,083 --> 01:40:53,000 coming to do a you in the future. 1305 01:40:53,416 --> 01:40:54,875 I know that there's a few people I'm not 1306 01:40:54,875 --> 01:40:56,500 going to out them. That's that's up to 1307 01:40:56,500 --> 01:40:57,500 them. But I know that there's a few 1308 01:40:57,500 --> 01:40:59,000 people that are making the journey 1309 01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:00,666 because they love coming to Australia 1310 01:41:00,666 --> 01:41:01,583 because they love the 1311 01:41:01,583 --> 01:41:03,708 experience that I've had here. 1312 01:41:04,083 --> 01:41:06,833 And I hope that, you know, we can be a 1313 01:41:06,833 --> 01:41:09,041 destination conference in the future. So 1314 01:41:09,041 --> 01:41:12,041 yeah, I'm really, really excited about 1315 01:41:12,041 --> 01:41:13,333 it. And we're, you know, six weeks out 1316 01:41:13,333 --> 01:41:15,791 now. So yes, it's gonna be 1317 01:41:15,791 --> 01:41:16,916 it's gonna be a great event. 1318 01:41:16,916 --> 01:41:19,000 I have you have my full confidence 1319 01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:21,583 because this is this is your couple years 1320 01:41:21,583 --> 01:41:25,208 into this. You got this. And you always 1321 01:41:25,208 --> 01:41:27,208 you always done a professional job. But 1322 01:41:27,208 --> 01:41:29,750 if you don't have anything else to add, I 1323 01:41:29,750 --> 01:41:30,291 think we're just going 1324 01:41:30,291 --> 01:41:31,458 to end the episode here. 1325 01:41:32,208 --> 01:41:34,208 I want to thank you know, I want to thank 1326 01:41:34,208 --> 01:41:35,958 Michael Durenda for joining us talking 1327 01:41:35,958 --> 01:41:39,125 about life and where kind of you and 1328 01:41:39,125 --> 01:41:41,750 everything else in between. So thanks 1329 01:41:41,750 --> 01:41:42,666 again for watching and 1330 01:41:42,666 --> 01:41:43,875 thanks for being here.